http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20358422,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines
About time, Jon. We said months ago he could and should go to family law court to get a better order.
Child support orders are based on your time with the kids. If the kids are with you 25% of the time, you might pay $750 in child support. If you start spending 40% of your time with them, it's maybe bumped down to $300-$400. Once you start spending more than 50% of the time with them, you should petition the court to ask the other parent to pay.
Kate has also pretended that Jon isn't paying child support and that she needs Dancing With the Stars. $20,000 a month in child support isn't enough for you, Kate???
241 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 241 Newer› Newest»I am glad he is going to try.
I am upset that the kids just never seem to get a break from constant chaos.
I hope what is in the best interest of the children prevails.
~irene~
About time Jon! good for you,hope the lawyer will do right by you.
Jon's already getting slammed in the comments sections on TMZ.com. Of course, all the Kate supporters are crying about the injustice of it all. The kids need a parent around. If Kate's not going to be there then Jon should be. I just hope it doesn't get ugly but I'm afraid that's not very likely. Here we go again...
Does nayone know when TLC contract is finished?May I heard,if TLC doesn,t renew,maybe Jon will finally write a book.
The plot thickens. Kate claims she doesn't have enough money, List claims Jon pays a ridiculous amount of child support, $20,000.00 per month. WTF is Kate doing with her finances that she can't afford to support her kids on that amount of money?!! NOW she will definitely become the most hated mom in America.
Jon should supboena the army of nannies that Kate has hired to cover her ass. Subpoena Gina Nield too.
Go Jon! About time! Personally, I think they should grant Jon primary custody, sell the house, get two small houses close to each other, and put the kids in public school. Then they could be happy with Jon, he could work a regular job, Kate could go off pursuing her fame and fortune, and they could have a "normal" divorce! (who in their right mind wants to share a house with Kate??? I can't imagine what that is like!)
Maybe Jon thinks now that settling with TLC was not a good move cuz they now have the power to keep him under a rock! Can't wait for that contract to expire! Just MHO!
Don't get too excited, yet. Jon's new lawyer seems to excel in fixing traffic tickets. He's going to need a MUCH bigger gun than this guy.
http://www.palicenselawyer.com/
Go Jon! About time he made this move. I think he has given Kart just enough rope to hang herself. How can she prove she is a fit mother when she isn't home with the children. Let us all hope Jon prevails in this and the kids finally find some security in having a parent around; especially a parent who loves them and they clearly love.
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I'm so glad Jon finally has the cajones to do this. And it would seem to me that TLC cannot intervene on the domestic matters involving their brand...correct, Admin?
Oh, how Kate will now have new pity me material to air on the networks!
I wonder if they might ask for a temporary change in primary custody until this is settled. Kate has the perfect out now if she chooses to take it. "I'm withdrawing from the competition so I can go home and take care of my kids." Not too obvious. I think that corner she's about to back herself into is getting closer and closer.
Whew!! Thanks so much for the link. I was scared spitless for a minute!
I think the lawyer used in the TLC lawsuit, Mark Momijan, is the same lawyer that responded on ROL to this new filing.
EXCLUSIVE: Kate Gosselin's Lawyer Calls Jon's Bid For Custody 'Reckless'EXCLUSIVE: Kate Gosselin's Lawyer Calls Jon's Bid For Custody 'Reckless'
Posted on Apr 06, 2010 @ 02:06PM
Kate Gosselin’s attorney is firing back at reports that Jon Gosselin is seeking primary custody of their 8 kids, calling the claims 'reckless' and 'offensive' in a statement to RadarOnline.com.
Jon's new lawyer, Anthony List, dubbed Kate an 'absentee mom' and says Jon is headed to court to prove that his ex-wife’s gig on Dancing with the Stars is hurting their kids.
Kate’s lawyer Mark Momijan told RadarOnline.com, "We haven’t received any formal filing yet but I can’t imagine anything farther from the truth. Kate is a devoted mother. Her concern for the welfare of her kids is so prominent that any allegations like this report are reckless and so far from the mark, it’s offensive."
Jon is supposedly seeking to shed his $20,000 a month support payments as well and wants Kate to pay him.
The former Jon & Kate Plus 8 star has not had a steady job since TLC pulled the plug on the reality show after Jon refused the network to continue filming his children.
TLC sued Jon and won a preliminary injunction after charging he violated his contract. The suit was settled but it cost Jon a fortune and TLC clearly came out the winner.
"Jon was recently dumped by his new girlfriend Morgan Christie," said a source who knows him."Whenever something like that happens, he lashes out."
Maybe Kate's "reasoning" behind her meltdown--I miss my kids, I hear them upstairs and can't be with them cuz I'm stuck doing DWTS for money--will come back to bite her?
Kate's fans have voted week after week to keep her in LA and dancing, dancing, dancing. Now they have only themselves to blame for keeping her away from her kids because it sure wasn't the judges scoring.
Jon should have just asked for primary physical custody based on her being out of town so often and the bevy of nannies that are actually raising the children. I think the courts are going to see through and not grant Jon primary physical custody. The kids need a guardian ad litem however since they are all under the age of 13, they probably won't be removed from the mothers primary physical custody and based on their ages, their wish will not be taken into consideration by the judge.
What may happen is that the courts will give Jon more visitation, reduce his child support payments and continue with the status quo. Kates attorney may also fight the reductioni in child support and argue that Jon has temporarily impovershed himself and the courts don't take a liking to that either. Jon's lawyer, on the other hand can argue that Jon's primary source of income was for the past five seasons was from TLC and their reality show and since being removed from that show by TLC and the subsequent lawsuit filed by Discovery, they have limited his ability to be gainfully employed in the field he's been earning a living for the past five years.
In a nutshell, I'll lay odds that:
1. Jon will get more visitation with the children.
2. Child support will be reduced
3. Kate will retain primary physical custody
4. Lawyers appointed for the children
5. When Kate travels, Jon will be there for the kids and nannies will not be allowed as his substitute
6. Kate will work out an agreement with Jon whereas he doesn't have to pay support in exchange for his not bringing any legal action against her while she persues a career in film.
How long could something like this take? Is it something that could go on for a while?
Who thinks this is motivated by concern for these kids? Come on, don't look so gullible.
Jon Gosselin Plans to Sue 'Absentee Parent' Kate for Custody
By Tim Nudd and Diane Herbst
Tuesday April 06, 2010 02:50 PM EDT
Jon and Kate Gosselin
Brian Prahl/Splash News Online
Claiming she doesn't spent enough quality time with their eight children, Jon Gosselin is planning to sue ex-wife Kate Gosselin for primary physical custody.
Pointing to her current stint on ABC's Dancing With the Stars, Jon's lawyer tells PEOPLE that Kate is "an absentee parent," that Jon may seek primary custody, and that he might also seek to reverse the child-support arrangement, under which Jon now pays Kate some $21,000 a month.
"He wants equal say with custody, equal time, but if the circumstances remain as they are, with Kate being rarely home, Jon wants primary custody of the children," says lawyer Anthony List Sr., a former assistant U.S. attorney. "He is much better able to spend time with the children."
List plans to file three separation actions in the next day or two.
"Kate Gosselin can't have it both ways unless there is some balance, unless there are some opportunities for these eight children to be in her physical presence," adds List. "Jon wants to spend time with these kids, and she is throwing up road blocks. And the eight children are the innocent victims. This tears Jon up."
Kate's Response
In turn, Kate's lawyer said he had not received a formal filing yet but called the notion of such a lawsuit "reckless" and "offensive" and said Kate is actually "a devoted mother," according to RadarOnline.
The latest legal wrangling from Jon, 33, comes as Kate, 35, is about to start a publicity campaign for her new book, I Just Want You To Know: Letters to My Kids on Love, Faith and Family, which is set to be released on April 13.
"It's almost as if he deliberately timed this to sabotage her efforts to promote the book," says one source close to the book's publisher. "Now she's once again going to defend herself as a mom when she should be able to just talk about this project that she worked so hard on."
Jon's legal plans were first reported by TMZ.
Just because it is not likely to be motivated by the kids does not mean that it could not be good for the kids.
Once it is filed and the other party is served, it could take anywhere from a couple of days to a month or longer. Witnesses have to be located and legally served, one side can request a postponement and based on the fact that Kate's longevity on DWTS doesn't look like it's going to last much longer, the whole issue of custody could go away and the remaining issue of support would be the only one before the court.
Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with the kids. Jon, for the most part, is going to have a tough battle on his hands to justify his getting primary custody.
1. His permanent residence is NYC
2. He has a two bedroom apartment who's lease expires at the end of May
3. He has no visible means of support
4. He's made no attempt to secure work based on his premise as outlined in his divorce papers that he is too famous to take an ordinary job
5. He was living out in Utah for the past couple of months making no sincere effort to see the kids until he was thrown out by his last girfriend.
6. His womanizing and past 5 relationships that were not only public but very scandalous.
7. His jealousy that Kate is earning and he is not.
8. His handling of the finances while they were separated.
9. His friendship with Michael Lohan.
All of these are going to be considered by any judge who hears the case.
Anonymous said...
Who thinks this is motivated by concern for these kids? Come on, don't look so gullible.
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Why is it so hard to believe Jon loves his children and wants to see them?
Anon 1:15, Many of your points are based on tabloid reports and not fact. How do you know he hasn't made "sincere" effort to see his kids. These rumors that Jon is absent are not based on facts. They are based on tabloid reporting,
It's not hard to believe Jon loves his kids and wants to see them. It's hard to believe he wants primary custody and spousal support becaue his wife uses nannies.
I don't think anyone doubts that Jon loves his children. I agree with the other poster who asked if this is motivated by concern for the kids.
Unless Kate has barred Jon from his visitation, from all appearances, it doesn't look like Jon stood up to the plate regarding seeing the kids until he was recently put out of his girlfriends house. With no where to go, no money coming in that we know of and no prospects for making a living, I would agree with the other poster that it sure does reek of either trying to reduce support (which I don't blame him) or trying to live off Kates earnings.
By Jons own words (on a taped telephone conversation that was published last fall) Jon was discussing how he has put his kids out there for every pedophile, while discussing potential promotional appearances he was going to make and earn fees for doing it. So, I don't doubt Jon's love for his kids, I just question his motivation and intent, based on the amount of money he and Kate have earned and squandered off the backs of those kids.
Personally, I don't think this has anything to do with the kids.
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If Kate is blocking him from seeing the kids, why WOULDN'T he go to court to get some official ruling to allow him to do so? Also it seems that several items on your list are conjecture and not based on fact unless you have something that dictates otherwise.
According to Jon's lawyer, Kate IS blocking Jon from having time with the kids. And if he WANTS to be there while she's away, why wouldn't she allow this. Unless she's afraid of appearing less of a parent than Jon which is my conjecture.
I wish I had saved a copy of Jon's eulogy to his father from sixgosselins but I didn't. In it he mentioned - not once, not twice, but THREE separate times - how his father's death was going to FIANCIALLY impact his family. It was only one page long, so it was rather glaring.
I also remember that old interview in Utah when he was speaking about how "marketable" his kids were. Add in the way he was fired from the cabinet company and I'm seeing the very same grifting that we all accuse Kate of doing.
I really have no respect for either one of them.
I would agree with the other poster that it sure does reek of either trying to reduce support (which I don't blame him) or trying to live off Kates earnings.
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Would you feel the same way if the situation were reversed? If Jon was out at DWTS and Kate was home and paying $20,000 a month and living in a 2 bedroom apt. while nannies watched the kids?
Jon needs to get a job. Kate needs to get a job. Neither of them are television personalities nor are either of them good parents. They are both horrible people and they are destroying 8 lives.
Yes. Same way.
He's just a grifter, itsaboutthekids. He sucks.
You asked why she wouldn't want him there instead of nannies? Maybe his drinking, bar hopping, smoking joints (photographic evidence) and shooting guns is why.
I really do think the kids should come first, not the hate for Kate.
The bottom line is the kids need parents. They have two, and yet for all intents and purposes nannies are raising them. Someone needs to step up and be that consistent parent, and be there for them not only physically but emotionally.
The guy had sex with the babysitter in his own home. He is just gross. Kate picked a stinker.
The only thing he has going for him is he looks like a fun dad and he has cute kids.
Personally, I don't think either parent has the children's best interests at heart. Kate thinks of all things, including her children, materialistically (how's that for a Kate-word?) while Jon seems to be more hands-on, let-'em-get-dirty-and-be-kids kind of dad. I've always felt he was the lesser of two evils when it came to raising the kids. Kate appears to project too much of her own -and numerous- phobias on her kids.
I'm proud of Jon for having the cojones to finally do this. His dad would be proud of him. Go Jon!
just wondering - ITA with what you said. I think this latest move is really more about the money than physical custody. BOTH of these parents are LOSERS! That being said, I see Jon as the lesser of two evils.
There's so many anon's here that it's hard to follow who's saying what unless you are the same anon each time.
I think Kate is the better parent. The court agreed. She got primary custody, the house, and the kids. What else is there?
Maybe the court will say Jon has to first take care of his dogs. If he can train/care for them without letting them eat any toys or let his kids beat on them, then the court may reconsider his custody of real live children.
I think Jon is the better parent, so we disagree. I guess the courts will decide and what we think doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
True. We agree on that.
We all saw what happened the last time Jon was given more time and control. He ended up having sex with the nanny in the hot tub. I am with the other anon. Kate is the better parent.
The dogs ARE a good example! Hopefully Kate won't throw away her kids when she's "done" with them!
Really, the bottom line is that because we are not in the house and are not Jon and Kate, we don't actually and factually KNOW what is going on in this situation. All we can do is guess, assume, and run through ideas--which is the fun of blogs like this!
Most of what people say--both about Jon and Kate--is an opinion based on tabloid gossip. For example, there is a photo of Jon with a rolled cigarette of some kind, but how do we know that it was pot and not just tabacco? Kate says that she is home on Saturday cooking a big Easter dinner from scratch and we might say, "yeah right" but we don't KNOW. All we really can do is hope, pray, and wait!
I'll sign--
MK
If we're taking votes, I vote for Jodi!
And go read BabyMama. I've been giving her hell all day!
See? Like, anon 2:06, how do you KNOW he had sex with the nanny in the hot tub?
--MK
Yes Kate is the better parent...with a wooden spoon. Can't wait to see if Jon get's at least reduced support. I doubt he will get primary custody as he doesn't even have a place of his own does he? But I am proud he stood up and did something. But I have to wonder if it isn't just for money and nothing else.
I think I'll wait until the subpoena's are served and people start testifying under oath. Tabloids have a way of telling only one side of a story and it usually depends on who has the most money. JMO
Now that it's coming out that Jon is, in fact, paying $20k/month in support, won't Kate look like more of an ass for "hinting" on national television the she's receiving no support from him and must do what she's doing to solely support her kids?
Anony@2:06
Oh I call BS! And what about what Kate and Steve are doing???
I wouldn't believe anything Stephanie Santaro has to say about Jon because she is being paid to say ANYTHING to make him look bad.
How could somebody think he's NOT doing this for the kids?
Oh, I understand. NOBODY has looked out for those kids except the jelus haturs. Jon must just be jealus cuz no way he could actually CARE about those 8 (really 6) little money makers. Damn you, Jon. HOW DARE you do something that might be BETTER for those kids. You selfish man, you want to be HOME WITH YOUR KIDS rather than have them raised by nannies? Shame on you, Jon, shame on you.
Oh, Jon, since you "cheated" on Kate, you have no credibility and since you actually WORE Ed Hardy, you are douchebag. The fact that WE SEE your kids LOVE you and you love them mean NOTHING, cuz you got "some" from somebody other than your wife. Shame Shame Jon.
(He has my support)
Love the dry humor Belle! ;o)
I hope Jon and his attorneys subpoena testimony from the individuals at DWTS who heard Kate yell at the kids who called her while she was rehearsing. Evidently she was too busy rehearsing to talk with her kids whom she misses so much. Also, who will be staying with the kids when she goes on her book promotion tour? This is looking bad for Kate. Even Johnny Cochrane (may he rest in peace) couldn't justify this behavior as behavior of a loving mother.
7. His jealousy that Kate is earning and he is not.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Jon is just JELLUS!
I think Kate is the better parent. The court agreed. She got primary custody, the house, and the kids. What else is there?
TRUTH!!
"Anonymous said...
I think Kate is the better parent. The court agreed. She got primary custody, the house, and the kids. What else is there?"
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The other comment I need to make here is that courts reverse their decisions all the time based on a change of circumstance, and circumstances have definitely changed in this situation. I was under the impression that the house goes with the kids more than to either parent but I don't know what that means legally.
That is an interesting question, and one being covered on other topics, if Jon wins primary custody of the kids, does he get to live in the house too? (I think this is a crazy way to do a divorce, personally, especially with someone like Kate).
The house is in a trust, which I totally understand, but why would Jon and/or Kate not be the trustee? Why would they have someone else be trustee if they/she owned the house?
--MK
PARENTAL ALIENATION!!! FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL!! Kart is going down!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a tax thing.
Could the $20,000 be a combined support payment? 10k from each of them?
According to this article above, Jon is paying Kate $21,000
"Pointing to her current stint on ABC's Dancing With the Stars, Jon's lawyer tells PEOPLE that Kate is "an absentee parent," that Jon may seek primary custody, and that he might also seek to reverse the child-support arrangement, under which Jon now pays Kate some $21,000 a month."
I'm confused a bit here. If the court determined that Jon's child support should be $20,000 per month....where is he getting that money from? The courts use a mathematical calculation to determine child support payments...therefore...Jon MUST be able to afford this...and if JON can afford this...I assume most of it is coming from TLC...so then, how much is KATE getting?
The courts don't just arbitrarily pick a random figure or pull one out of a hat...it's based on what the parent CAN afford to pay...and if HE's getting paid, so is SHE. And top that off with her income from the books and from her appearances (including DWTS) and she's crying poverty?
And I totally side with Jon on this one. Why should she be allowed to be away from the children most of the time yet able to decide that his time with the children can be limited and that nannies can be used instead of him?
For anyone out there with children and you are a fit parent....how would you like it if your spouse was rarely home with your children but he would NOT allow you to see them except for specific scheduled times, even when is out of town and used nannies/babysitters? How would you like it if you had to watch the other parent out of town and know you were not allowed there to take over for the nannies? But had to pay plenty of child support?
I totally side with Jon...and don't question his motive.
dee3
I agree with you, dee3. Jon needs to be with the kids when Kate isn't home. People will protest that he's an unfit dad based on tabloid stories but I don't think the judge is going to rely on that for his decision. Hopefully Jon's lawyer will be able to get the true story, on BOTH sides, revealed in court.
Any way that this is a planned stunt for Khate to bow out of the show tonight? (and have a week off before her book tour)
First...DOES Kate have primary custody? I thought they both had joint custody...and alternate weeks. This is not a situation where she has primary custody and he has limited visitation. He gets a great deal of visitation...and was deemed a totally fit parent by the court.
What this sounds like to me is that he's saying that if Kate is going to be traveling during HER time with the children, why can't HE be there with the children instead of nannies/babysitters.
This is NOT a case of a parent with very little visitation trying to get more.
Secondly...his child custody payments amount to almost $250,000 per year (quarter of a million dollars/year). These figures are determined based on WHAT the parent's income is and therefore, what they can reasonably afford. Where else would Jon be getting this kind of money, unless it's from the TLC contract agreement?
And if he's making that kind of money...how the heck much is KATE getting...this woman who weeps and moans on TV that she NEEDS to be away all this time because she NEEDS the money?
A quarter million is only what he pays for child support....and then there's the amount taken into consideration that he would need to support himself....so we are easily talking over $300,000 here, if not more.
And she makes way more than he does....and she's moaning and crying poverty? And the sheeple actually BUY this?
And if he's getting this much money...why would he be jellus of Kate making money? They talk about him like he's an unemployed, deadbeat dad. HELLO??? The guy pays a quarter of a million per year for child support!
Also...I tend to agree with the anonymous quite a ways up the page...the one who seems to be legally trained and informed....who listed what the final court decision will probably be. Sounds like a good estimate to me.
dee3
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/jon-gosselin-sues-kate-for-custody-calls-her-absentee-mom--201064
A source close to Jon tells UsMagazine.com that he "seems genuinely upset that the kids are growing up with strangers most of the time. Even when Kate's at the house, she has a nanny there to do all the work."
The source also adds that "Jon is anxious to find a place of his own close to the kids so he can have a little more stability for them," and has been house-hunting near the Wernersville house. He presently lives in a two-bedroom apartment on Manhattan's Upper West Side that rents for $5000 a month.
Here's the full article at US magazine:
Ex-spouses Jon and Kate Gosselin may be headed back to court.
An attorney for Jon, 33, plans to file an emergency petition this week in Berks County, Penn., for primary physical custody of his eight children with ex-wife Kate, TMZ reported Tuesday.
The reality dad's new lawyer Anthony F. List tells TMZ that Kate, 35, is "an absentee mom." List says her current stint on Dancing with the Stars prohibits her from spending "quality time" with twins Cara and Mady, 9, and sextuplets Aaden, Alexis, Collin, Hannah, Joel and Leah, 5. (Kate and DWTS partner Tony Dovolani have been rehearsing in the basement of the $1.1 million Wernersville, Penn. home she shares with her kids.)
Also on the docket: the child support situation. Currently, Jon pays Kate $22,000 a month in child support. The attorney charges that the fee is "ridiculous," and he may ask a judge to reverse the arrangement and demand that Kate pay Jon, though he declined to specify how much.
A source close to Jon tells UsMagazine.com that he "seems genuinely upset that the kids are growing up with strangers most of the time. Even when Kate's at the house, she has a nanny there to do all the work."
The source also adds that "Jon is anxious to find a place of his own close to the kids so he can have a little more stability for them," and has been house-hunting near the Wernersville house. He presently lives in a two-bedroom apartment on Manhattan's Upper West Side that rents for $5000 a month.
In February, cable network TLC reached a settlement with Gosselin in a breach-of-contract lawsuit. He remains under contract with the network, but is forbidden from making or profiting from unauthorized public appearances.
With this latest legal action, Jon "hopes this will move TLC to pay him or at least give him permission to go out and work...and be able to afford his new home." the source explains.
Update: Kate Gosselin's attorney Mark Momijan told RadarOnline, "we haven't received any formal filing yet but I can’t imagine anything farther from the truth. Kate is a devoted mother. Her concern for the welfare of her kids is so prominent that any allegations like this report are reckless and so far from the mark, it's offensive."
For example, there is a photo of Jon with a rolled cigarette of some kind, but how do we know that it was pot and not just tabacco?
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Come on, MK, it was a joint. What ELSE would be in that but a little Mary Jane. This is what I mean by looking gullible. Better to ignore the joint than to pretend it's tobbacco. Good grief. He was visible intoxicated on TV during the last shows. Maybe you've never seen someone who smokes MJ? Well you have now- Jon Gosselin in the last few episodes. Lethargic, weight gain, slurred words, red eyes, Ed Hardy tees, lol.
Santoro said she slept with Jon. That's different than someone else saying it about her.
She and Kate Major and Hailey all testified to a sexual relationship with him, under oath. Testimony is evidence. Back me up on this one, Administrator.
"With this latest legal action, Jon "hopes this will move TLC to pay him or at least give him permission to go out and work...and be able to afford his new home." the source explains."
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That's interesting! TLC isn't paying him??
Jon uses nannies when he's in charge. How is that any better than Kate uses nannies when she's in charge? The whole thing is ludicrous.
If I were the nanny I'd be pissed at Jon Gosselin. Can't get his own job, now he wants mine???
Have you guys ever noticed that the pictures they always show of Jon is him slouching, smoking or wearing Ed Hardy? It just makes others perceive him as being a deadbeat, douchebag dad (which I don't think he is). Take a look at this article on US Mag and the picture of Jon and the one of Kate. No wonder all the sheeples think they way they do of Jon. Such PR spin...again and again!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/jon-gosselin-sues-kate-for-custody-calls-her-absentee-mom--201064?page=2
Yeah, itsaboutthekids,
Circumstances have definitely changed here. Jon's latest girlfriend kicked him out.
What's your point? He's still the kid's dad.
Jons been padlocked out of his apartment in NYC. He's living with his mother
So the tabloids make Jon slouch, smoke, dress like a douche? Face it, Jon fans, your warrior is after money to spend on his next girlfriend and other habits he's picked up. He'll settle by May. I bet his next home is in Hawaii.
You said circumstances changed. I agreed and pointed out what changed. That's my point. He's still the kids' dad. What circumstances did you think changed?
Gosselin Kids All the Way, yes there's always spin. Fortunately, I doubt the judge will make his decision based on the tabloids or blogger opinions. Win or lose and regardless of spin, Jon is trying to spend more time with his kids. Nanny on duty or not, nannies can't replace mom and dad.
Jon isn't trying to get more time with his kids. Jon is trying to get more money out of Kate, and Jon is using his kids to do so. Child exploitation.
Kate was not working away from home several days out of the week when they went to court last time. Now she is, and has a book tour coming up which will keep her away again. Why shouldn't Jon be allowed to be with the kids when she's not home.
My husband and I both work FT and we have a nanny for our 2 boys and there are times when I am at home and our nanny will be there as well. I don't think there is anything wrong with having a nanny there to help out Jon or Kate if they are at home. If I'm paying for a FT nanny and happen to be home, I love that I can spend time with my boys and they can help out with the housework, etc. I guess the problem is that if what is mentioned with having 5-6 nannies working for them and Kate utilizes all of them when she is home, that would seem a bit much. JMO of course.
Anonymous said...
Jons been padlocked out of his apartment in NYC. He's living with his mother
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Is this speculation?
I don't have a problem with nannies there either when mom or dad is home. But then they become more like helpers rather than the primary caregiver and parent in charge.
Come on, MK, it was a joint. What ELSE would be in that but a little Mary Jane. This is what I mean by looking gullible.
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I once worked with a woman who rolled all of her own cigarettes and smoked them on break at work so I know it was tobacco in those papers. It is possible.
Gosselin Kids all The Way,
Doesn't it just piss you off that Jon Gosselin, professional slacker/grifter, thinks there is something wrong with a nanny being there when the mom is home? That's what he is saying through his lawyer today. Never mind that the photos of his weekend visit show him there with a nanny, too.
Anybody who thinks this is about custody or a change of heart or being a good father is falling for a lie. Jon Gosselin wants the support he pays for the kids, THE KIDS, reduced. That's all. He's trying to take money from those kids that THEY WORKED FOR. God knows he didn't work for it.
This won't hurt Kate. It will keep her in the press, even make her sympathetic. Meanwhile, Jon will cut back support TO THE KIDS.
Hand-rolled cigs do not look like joints. It was Hailey's MJ. I hate to burst that bubble, but the guy sucks.
So you know all about joints?
Keep your fingers crossed. She may be going home in a few minutes and Jon will get what he deserves- an order from the judge to shut the H&%% up.
So you know all about joints?
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I know what it looks like, before it's smoked, and after Jon's had some. I guess you don't know that much? So, read and learn.
I am not gulliable, nor do I believe everything I read or am told. I have been around both hand rolled cigs and joints, and the hand rolled cigs I have seen look just like joints I have seen. But, you have your opinion and I have mine. You claim all the girls testified under oath that they all had sex with Jon, can you provide a link to those transcripts/court docs? Just because someone says something to radaronline or someother website--about Jon or Kate--positive or negative--doesn't make it true.
Sorry to get defensive, my point is simply that we can guess all we want, and believe whatever we want to, but we will never really know unless we are them.
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Yeah poor kids, they won't get $250,000 a year to buy matching outfits for every different day of the week. Maybe they can take the other $200,000 Kate makes from DWTS and pool it together to buy milk for their poor struggling mother!
You have to be delusional if you think $21,000 a month is needed to support a family, especially one where every purchase is made with 'coupons'. How dare Jon want to spend time with his kids instead of nannies when Kate is on DWTS or on her book tour.
So Jon is a slacker because he wants spousal support if the custody agreement changes? But Kate is just a poor single mother with her $21k a month?
I know what it looks like, before it's smoked, and after Jon's had some. I guess you don't know that much? So, read and learn.
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hahahahaha!! I'm a child of the '60's. I don't have to read anything. LMAO
They do have 8 kids in private school...who knows how much that's costing. And does that mean that the court expects their expenses to be $40000/month? Cuz that is crazy!
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We agree on that MK, absolutely.
Not sure why you asked me if I know all about joints, then itsaboutthekids? Maybe you took a personal swipe in your frustration with me because I disagree about Jon's character and motives. I'd like to state my opinions without the nastiness that always results when I disagree with the fans of these two.
MosbiusDesigns, Jon and Kate are rich because of those kids. That money is for those kids. That's what child support means. It's not for Jon to keep or spend on himself. A judge decreed it however much it is. I wouldn't call him delusional. I'm not delusional. I just respect the rights of those kids and the court system in their state. The children of the divorced wealthy always get to share in their parents' wealth. Can you think of any other wealthy children MORE deserving of the fullest amount of support from either parent? In this family THE KIDS EARNED THE MONEY. Why Jon should keep their money? I think the judge had them in mind, and wht they've gone through, when he ordered their grifter father to pay that much.
TEAM KIDS
Hell, if I had to live with Kate Gosselin for ten years, I'd be hiding in the bushes with a joint too. It's better than sucking back a bag of wine every night.
I agree. I think weed is much better than booze.
Where did that just wondering go? I like her/him. It's time for it to be about the kids, not the hate.
Jon does both.
Not sure why you asked me if I know all about joints,
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I asked because you said you knew the difference. Not all people do. Don't take it personally :) I just thought it was quite funny when you told me to read up on it. That's all.
Anonymous, please explain the difference, by site between a rolled ciggarete and a rolled joint?
You could also roll oregano and it'll look the same too. Personally, I think it was a joint but to assume because it's rolled is ignorant.
Anonymous said...
Where did that just wondering go? I like her/him. It's time for it to be about the kids, not the hate.
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Disagreeing does not necessarily equal hate, does it?
Anonymous,
If Jon and Kate are wealthy the kids can receive a percentage of w/e income they make. I don't see how $21k is barely worth mentioning, when asked if Jon provides child support. If Kate receives $21k per month and is struggling like she portrays herself to be and requires more money to survive (DWTS paycheck). She clearly isn't the supermom she claims to be and has some mixed up priorities on what necessities for her kids are. So Kate can spend her money on $7k hair extensions but Jon needs to pay for a pool boy? Kate can spoil herself with tanning and pedicures but as soon Jon does something he's selfish? The hypocrisy in statements like that are mind boggling
Now Kate is countering his claim and sueing for primary custody of the kids saying she doesn't have enough time with them!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't give a crap how Kate portrays herself Mosbiusdesigns. All I know is Jon owes those kids that money and he's trying to get out of paying it. It's their money. What Kate says about it is nothing to me. Just because she's an idiot doesn't excuse him to be one too.
Child support is based on his ability to pay. At one time he was rich enough to afford it as determined by a judge, not Kate. Like less than half a year ago. Where did his money go if he can't pay it? If he can still afford it, why is he trying to get it reduced. This is not a great father. He loves them. He plays nice with them. That's all good and important. But he's a scrub.
I would imagine Jon's money is interest made from the money they made off the show and other things. Remember, at its height, they were getting paid $75,000 per EPISODE for J&K Plus 8. That thing ran four seasons. Despite the fact that they spent a lot, they also probably still had a lot, each of them.
She is continuing to get paid by TLC, he is not. But the money he's paying in child support is most definitely interest income from the principal.
I wonder why in the world $252,000 a year is needed to house, clothe, feed and educate eight kids. The tony, exclusive private school that is a two hour round trip bus ride away is certainly not necessary. The million dollar mansion on 24 acres, no doubt with a high cost of keeping it up (property taxes, insurance, grounds, maintenance, repairs, etc) is certainly not necessary for the happiness or well-being of the kids.
I'd be far more impressed with Kate's constant hand-wringing and woe is me BS if she vetoed all her tanning, manicures, expensive extensions, plastic surgeries and makeovers in favor of making sure her kids were taken care of. Girlfriend doesn't worry about buying MILK, gimme a break. Unless it's gold-plated milk or something.
Whoever said it above is right: they BOTH need to get normal-people jobs. Neither one of them has what it takes to be a celebrity. Jon seems more in touch with this reality than she does. Far more. As a nurse, she could pull in around $70,000 a year in her area and that's a lowball figure. She would work a few long days a week and have the rest of the time off. She could find a school that is closer and less expensive. They could sell the expensive home and move into something still roomy and private but not nearly as big and high-maintenance.
But that's for rational people. Not her. She wants A-T-T-E-N-T-I-O-N.
I went through my parent's divorce at the same age the tups are going through it. It was horrible. But at least the whole world wasn't witness to it, recording everything, including my mother's horrible ugly comments about the size of my dad's penis.
For shame, for shame.
Anon 6:33 child support is ALSO based on how much time a parent spends with the kids, as outlined at the top. If he's asking the court to grant him more time with the kids so they aren't with nannies so often when she's out of town so much, of course the support would be reduced, that would only make sense.
Otherwise he'd be paying to support kids he's supporting! Get it?
Exactly, child support is directly related to your time with the kids. The more time you spend, the less you pay. I encounter clients all the time awarded custody of their children who are freaking out because the child support division, which is often separate, is still making them pay. I tell them take a deep breath, show them your custody order, and you'll be off the hook.
The whole point is either you are WITH YOUR CHILD, and thus financially and emotionally supporting them, or you are not with your child and you need to pay for the time you're not there. You don't do BOTH.
Jon isn't taking away money. Think of it as a scale. When one side goes up, the other goes down. The child support figure should in theory remain the same. It's just a matter of who is paying. If Jon gets full custody, then Kate may owe $20,000 in support.
To explain this maybe a little better, assume that each parent is supposed to have exactly 50% of the children's time, for a total of 100%. When each has 50-50, there is usually no child support. Each parent is fulfilling their full obligation to the child, supporting them financially for their full 50%.
When one parent ends up doing more than 50% for whatever reason, the other parent is supposed to make up the difference in the form of money. Let's assume Kate had the kids 75% and Jon 25%. Jon needs to pay Kate back for the 25% she has gone over her time. That's the child support.
The court is simply putting a dollar amount on the time you are not with your kids. If you step up and do your full 50%, you owe nothing. The kids aren't LOSING either way. Either you are THERE supporting them, or you support them by sending a check. In theory, the money given to them should be the same.
I don't see how this is Jon not supporting his children? He wants to spend MORE time with them as opposed to paying for nannies to spend time with them? What an awful father for wanting to spend more time with his kids! Child support is also based on time spent, if Kate spends 1 day with them and Jon 6 and Jon makes more money doesn't mean Jon pays the child support. Jon just isn't filling to reduce his child support he wants more time. If he wanted to he could stop paying and still be able to see his kids. Not legal but doesn't really affect custody. If he was actually broke it would be reduced to zero. Your really just making something out of nothing when he is asking to spend more time with his children.
They never got 75,000 per episode. If you don't know the facts, don't share the bull crap. They got 22,000 per episode with no residual rights. They made the bulk of their money off of love offerings, book signings, book contracts, womens expos and other approved tabloid photo shoots.
Jon, alone made close to 100,000 dollars on his unapproved appearances plus his share of the TLC contract money. Kate earned more from her advance from her cook book that was ultimately shelved in Europe through Zondervan Press plus her 8 little Faces and her other ghost written book, Multiple Blessings, which she still continues to recieve residual payments.
Kate and Jon have income aside from TLC that if and when it comes out in this latest action, which I highly doubt it will only because they fear they will lose it as a result, they are set for life. Jon wants to live off it, Kate wants to multiply it and neither one of them will be happy with anything less.
Doubt me?? You have no idea who I am. Question me?? I'll be forthright in my response. Challenge me?? I'll disappear. I have nothing to gain, nothing to lose and nothing to prove.
Yeah if he REALLY wanted to get out of his obligation to his kids, he'd do what my dad did and terminate his parental rights. :( Then it's no taking care of kids, no paying child support, no being a dad, no nothing. (As in the case of the ex-wife remarrying and the stepfather adopting the kids, etc.)
He wants to spend MORE time with them. Try to see it from the kids' point of view: this is their dad and they love him like crazy. Of course they want to be with him more! I would have given my left leg to be with my dad more as a kid!
6:53, that was really weird. You better get busy correcting that $75,000 per episode figure all over the internet, since that's the commonly quoted figure and I don't see you having anything to back up your assertion to the contrary.
Shrug. I don't care what you do. As you said, you're anonymous. So am I. So what?
That's part of the public policy behind child support and why it's tied to your time with the kids. They want to encourage parents to be with kids as much as possible, and if they don't want to be with them, fine they can just PAY.
Jon is not a bad person because he wants to pay less child support. If I had to chose to pay 20k in child support or be with my kids? I think I'd choose be with my kids.
Even if they only asked me to pay twenty bucks in child support a month and it cost me MORE to be with my kid, I'd always choose being with my daughter than not. The young years go by faster than parents think until they're almost over (mine is 16). Too fast.
Doubt me?? You have no idea who I am.
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Who are you?
Kate stole Jon from his girlfriend.
Kate made Jon quit his job so he could be home with the kids, and her.
Kate wanted Jon home so she could go on her book tours. 2 long tours with bodyguard who Jon was jealous of. She didn't care and she continued her tour.
Once Jon decided to no longer LIE for Kate, he went a little nuts. After being treated like SHIT for 10 years he overdid it on the young women being nice to him. Since his wife was never nice, he wasn't used to feeling LIKE A MAN.
He then decided, whether for money or ethics, that his kids shouldn't be filmed.
No matter what his reason, it's a good decision.
He went on many TVshows and earned money. TLC sued him for that money. TLC decided Jon cannot work in the media. This is after 5 years of being on TV but, nope, no more paid TV appearances for Jon.
And the gag order. God forbid Jon should be able to speak. Kate? No problem. Trash Jon, Cry Poor, and go on any show that will have you ("it's cost effective!")
Jon, TLC, pay 20,000 a month but Kate STILL NEEDS to travel to support her kids, because she can't depend on Jon.
He's the bad one? Why again?
LisaWong, nice synopsis.
Thanks.
Jon made many mistakes and the media trashed him continually for it. That doesn't make him a bad person. He made bad decisions. Haven't we all?
I wish him the best and those kids should be with him as much as possible.
Bottom line, if Kate's not going to be home, Jon should be allowed to be there for the kids. If Kate is not allowing him to do that then I don't see he has a choice but to go to court to get that right. He is the children's father.
Anon 653 is correct. J&K only made the $22k per episode, that came out in court papers when they divorced. It was surprising, since most estimates in the blogs at the time were that they earned $75k. they did not.
What is interesting is that anon 653 says that they have income coming in that is not from TLC, and they do not want it known where that is coming from. Can you elaborate at all Anon? From what I can recall, nothing mysterious came up in the divorce papers (which were all over the net). Is there a new income source since the divorce was settled?
I still want to know how people are so sure Jon hasn't been paying his share adjudged by the Court. Just because Kate skirts around the issue in the media? Unless you work for the attorneys, the Court or the Child Support Enforcement Agency, you are just ASSuming Jon isn't paying just on Kate's "say so".
And we all know Kate is everso truthful.
itsaboutthekids said...
Doubt me?? You have no idea who I am.
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Who are you?
Doesn't matter who I am but have read enough of the blogs to know that no one has gotten it quite right, YET.
I will say that the tabloid pics of Kate and her bodyguard are posed, alerted and for spin. Kate and her bodyguard are a non item, non issue and just fodder for PR reasons. It's not accidental either. Doubt me? Discovery Network has a calculated agenda. How do I know? I know.
Shocking truth, you wouldn't even begin to believe it. Jon and Kate, expect by September, after Labor Day, when a new discovery comes out and the kids are yet, a year older, Jon and Kate close ranks and Eileen O'Neill pushes her new Jon and Kate plus Eight, one year later, A ratings bonanza.
A reality insider. That's all you need to know.
I think it would be a lot healthier for the kids if Jon was around more. He was always arguing with Kate to back off with her stupid OCD rules about stains on kids clothes, etc. I heard him tell her more than once to just let them be kids. I think being around Kate too much would mess with anyone's head.
Oh jeez. I am not shocked really,by anon (reality insider's) prediction. I can see it happening. What a bummer - I reallllly was hoping that the 15mins would be up SOON - I just am so sick of these people.
Jon is a lazy POS.
He halted filming for his own selfish reasons and then settled with TLC for his own selfish reasons.
If you read his lawyers statement very carefully he states he may file a motion. He is trying to negotiate for something plain and simple and it isn't more time with his kids.
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Is this anonymous, reality insider or another anonymous? I'm just trying to keep everyone's thought straight.
Please don't speak for me.
You don't know what's in my heart. You only know what TLC allows you to know.
Reality insider, is this your opinion or is it based on something more tangible? I think most believe there's a chance those kids will show up on TV again. It's just a matter of when and in what context. TLC isn't doling out all that money on Kate for nothing. JMO
Oh please. They are NOT doing a new Jon and Kate Plus Eight. "Reality Insider" is spewing a bunch of fantasy BS. I suspect that person is actually a Kate Worshipper.
Nothing of the sort is going to happen. If anything, Kate's time in the public eye is getting shorter and shorter.
Anonymous Reality Insider,
I'm intrigued. Is there anything else you can share?
Also... Did you include their church appearances in their love offerings?
Jon is the key and time will tell. We know Kate will have those kids back on TV in a New York second if she's allowed. I hope we never see the children have to parade in front of cameras again, but never say never.
A reality insider. That's all you need to know.
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No, it's not all I need to know to consider your posts any more than an opinion just like every other opinion on this blog. And that's a fact. :)
Anon 653
What is this separate income source? Can you tell us or at least hint?
And what is their real net worth?
Is the divorce for PR and ratings? Will they get back together?
How do the kids feel about Kate and Jon?
What a great thread of discussion you have going here! Glad I clicked today (I go through anti-gosselin days but today was just too busy).
Anonymous Reality Insider,
Are you implying that Jon and Kate are going to be married again or just that they will do the show? I absolutely believe they will film those kids again and J&K are more powerful together than apart but that entire idea makes me sick.
"Super Bitch From Hell" . . . I just like saying it. Bruno is SUCH a jelus hatur.
I don't think there will be version 2 of Jon and Kate + 8 because Queen Freebie Irene wants to escape the McMansion and make some big giant bucks.
If Kate can find something she can do without the kids I think she will. I'm just not sure what that would be because so far she's not had much luck. The TLC heads seem to be stuck for lack of talent.
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Anonymous said...
Where did that just wondering go? I like her/him. It's time for it to be about the kids, not the hate.
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I fell asleep at 7:30 and missed the entire night, LOL! Husband came home around 9 and just let me sleep. Now I'm going to be up all night doing lord only knows what.
People who judge Jon must live a perfect life,we all make mistakes,we learn from them.people who live in glass houses etc I think he really is a good person,he should have been advised better,hopefully this lawyer will guide him in the right direction.I hope he gets to spend more time with his kids,good luck Jon!
Just read up thread and I absolutely believe that "Reality Insider" is on to something. Jon would absolutely settle for money.
This entire mess began because he had to play a character in his very own life. He had to pretend to be happily married to the Super Bitch from Hell. I would have had a nervous breakdown, too.
TLC has no idea what to do with Kate but they sure don't want to lose her. If they thought they could find a way to get the both of them back on the air I think they would jump at the chance, though I don't think it's exactly what Kate has had in mind for herself. She wants to be a STAR! The idea of settling for her same old show would not appeal to her, I don't think.
Anyway, it's certainly an intriguing thought, and we all pretty much knew all the pictures were staged and planned, I think.
Yep.. This all makes a lot of sense to me.
I'm thinking that Jon and Kate are in this together. They're making money through scandal and for whatever perverted reasons are agreeing to this public feuding to a big reconciliation come september. Then they can hit the churches again as a penitent born again couple to tell their story for another round of $$, plus a new version of Jon and Kate plus eight.
Is this close to the truth Reality Insider?
Is Kate as abusive to everyone as she seems?
I have often wondered (major conspiracy ahead, read at your own risk) if Jon and Kate were both in on a huge plan by TLC to orchestrate a ratings bonanza by using them both as puppets. What if Kate and Jon actually are both IN on this whole thing? What if Jon is being paid to be trashed? What if everything that has happened thus far has been under the supervision of TLC? I know it's far fetched but nothing would surprise me at this point.
OMGosh! Talk about "absentee mom" isn't there a DWTS tour? How do you end up on it?
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Jon is a good dad,you can see it in the faces of his childrennwhen he is with them,why do the haters harp on what he has done in the past,people make mistakes and use poor judgement,you have and i certainly have,let him prove to all of us that he wants what is best for his kids.give him a chance.
The only thing Kate is pissed about in these court filings is how much of her income is revealed. She knows most Americans won't relate to her poverty wails when child support is $21,000 a month. Expect to hear reports of her expenses soon - her mortgage, her taxes, her grocery bill - she won't be making any statements about her appearance/maintenance costs, spas, hotels, perks, etc. If she is kept on DWTS to the top 3,which I think is the plan, there is going to be a lot of bitter resentment boiling against her. Nobody enjoys a fixed contest.
Wow, I think the "insider" person may be onto something---I think much of this is "stuff" to keep them in the tabloids and keep people interested in them--for better or for worse. If so, the lot of them--- Kate, Jon, Discovery and Kate's PR/Management are all even more reprehensible than I thought.
So what if Jon wants more time with his kids? As the admin says, TIME with the kids counts as supporting them, too. Perhaps a nanny is there when Jon is there because of KATE's rules--she wants to control everything and a nanny could report back to her? Anyway--it makes no sense for a parent to have to pay for the other parent's nannies while she's away chasing fame and fortune.
Concerning the conspiracy theory, it's always interesting to wonder what if, but in this case there are eight innocent children smack dab in the middle of this theory that are being tortured enough by the real life trials and tribulations of their family and the ensuing way too public divorce. If cold hard facts come to light that support any such allegations I'll listen, but until then, to suggest that this conspiracy idea has been the conscience and deliberate intent all along is almost unimaginable. There's way too many holes in this one and Jon and Kate would have to be the world's greatest actors for this to be true. JMO
Jon was ordered to pay support, but he hasn't paid it yet. Kate decided not to drag him through court because it's embarrassing for the kids. Instead she decided to earn her own money on these celebrity TV shows. Jon doesn't want his support reduced because he doesn't even pay it. What he wants is a piece of Kate's earnings. She will probably have to pay him off, to avoid having the kids find out how much he doesn't care about them. Don't look for a Jon and Kate plus 8 again. Look for Kate to appear on Trump's show, a Food Network reality cooking contest for celebrity moms, or her own show in the summer like Rachael Ray's. She hates being a public personality, but she does it to fill the family coffers for when her star starts to fade. The woman is a master at making lemonade out of lemons. Trust me, I know.
Question for the Admin: If Jon's attorney subpoenaed (sp?) the Nannies, the TLC camera crews, the cooks and others who might have insights into the quantity and quality of time that Kate spends with the kids, would they be allowed to give depositions or testify despite the non-disclosure contract they signed when employed? If Jon and his lawyers are smart, they will obtain statements from everyone employed or present in that home for the last 5 years regarding Kate's presence in her childrens' day to day lives - again, both quantity AND quality...
...unless Kate really is in the home, caring for her children. I mean, why would the nannies lie about Kate? Wouldn't they be just as obligated to say something positive bout her? What about Tony? What about Carla, her daughter, her friends?
"Jon was ordered to pay support, but he hasn't paid it yet. Kate decided not to drag him through court because it's embarrassing for the kids."
Hold up....you're saying that Jon's attorney allowed it to be revealed that Jon pays this amount in child support when he know he's not paid it? Because why? He figured nobody would notice?
And where did you get this info? And why have I never read this anywhere else? Because "trust you, you know"?
dee3
It would never get to the point of supoenas. Neither Jon, Kate, nor TLC would let that happen. This will be settled with money somehow.
The theory that Jon has not been paying support but that Kate does not want to embarrass her children would make sense to me except for her little morning show tour crying about the bills she couldn't pay. If she had the cajones to pull that little stint I don't think she would hesitate to drag Jon to hell and back for support.
And the theory that both Jon and Kate ALREADY know about a show in the fall doesn't ring true to me because no man is going to go along with people slamming the length of his penis all over the globe. If this comes about, then I think it would be a recent idea and not something that had been in the works from the beginning.
(At least, that's how I feel right now. LOL)
He figured Kate won't challenge him because of the kids. He figured right. Notice he didn't say Jon pays it just that the judgment is ridiculous- he didn't lie and say Jon pays it- check the wording.
Jon won't be filing. She'll pay him off. Right now Kate is supporting herself, the kids, and soon Jon. The kids love him, and she loves them. She will never fight him.
Justwondering is right about the stint on the morning show. She regretted it- she wants Jon to lay low so its not all she has to talk about- she wants to move on. The morning show stint was before the judgment. She has a new plan and its not to trash Jon for the sake of her chhildren.
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Jon was ordered to pay support, but he hasn't paid it yet. Kate decided not to drag him through court because it's embarrassing for the kids....
Trust me, I know.
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I'm sorry, but I have trouble with people coming on boards and saying this and we're supposed to blindly believe them. Why would we trust you? It makes no sense to me. Unless you're willing to provide evidence of fact to back up your statement, you're no different than any tabloid story that quotes anonymous sources. People blindly trusted Jim Jones and look where it got them.
And as far as Kate worried about embarrassing the kids, I don't buy it AT ALL. She embarrassed and humiliated those children every Monday night for years, and now she's worried?
Here's a theory. Jon states he's going to court to ask for more time with the kids and all of a sudden there's people posting on boards that profess to have inside information and know more than the average bear. I find this all highly questionable and quite suspicious. TLC interns perhaps? JMO
Both good points, just wondering.
It would be next to impossible for someone to pretend/act the role of a person with narcissistic personality disorder with such accuracy...much less Kate. And she plays it perfectly...so any theories that this is an act would seem impossible to me. For this reason and for multiple others.
I agree with the point on the subpoenas also...unless somehow, all the evidence and the court proceedings were not allowed to be revealed....because to date, TLC has gone to the ends of the earth to prevent negative info from coming out about Kate (and about TLC) and the things that could be revealed in a court proceeding like this would be a nightmare for them...and they would do whatever it took to prevent this.
It makes me chuckle...that Kate "doesn't want to embarrass the kids" by not revealing this non-payment of child support baloney. First of all, it would embarrass Jon, not the kids. And second...embarrass the kids? What about exposing them going to the bathroom, what was in the potty? A child being impacted? But THIS would be more embarrassing? Thanks for the laugh.
The only lemons involved here are the one Kate seems to be sucking on in most of her photos.
dee3
This is plausible to me. Jon is out of options in every direction and has neither motivation nor skills.
But I'd rather see Kate on Survivor or Amazing Race. I want to see her sweat and eat bugs! I would watch that in a minute!
"She has a new plan and its not to trash Jon for the sake of her chhildren."
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"She has a new plan?" Why does that sound ominous and quite devious and calculated?
Jon is out of options? Once this TLC contract is over, he can write a tell-all book and make a fortune. The only reason Jon appears to be out of options is because he is hamstrung by this TLC contract.
Good for you, itsaboutthekids! I've seen this happen numerous times on crime-solving blogs and message boards. These so-called people "in the know" who won't give a clue who they are or how they know and make uncorroborated claims that don't even make sense.
dee3
Changed my mind. I don't need to hear her scream & screech every time she sees a bug.
How do we know he can write a book? What if part of his settlement was to never write one?
You're too funny, JW! LOL
Kate would rather be on Survivor too. She wants you to watch, lol. Justwondering you are so close to the truth...
Kate is looking forward, others are looking back. Look forward. What makes sense? Don't worry about the potty training its over. What do you think her goals are now? TV now, speaking engagements for a few more years, maybe a commercial or two, then it's done. Already the books are finished. Her publisher is done. Maybe another will pick her up, maybe not. It won't last. We know this. Jon is the kids father. Jon makes the kids happy. They worry about him. Kate wants them to feel secure about him. Jon doesn't help Kate by being in the public eye. Kate will settle with him and he knows this.
Well, she can't act, that's for sure, so movies are not an option for her. The clothing line tanked, the comic books are history. What's left for her? To start her own contest of some kind? Where she could host a show? I just don't think Kate is capable of speaking about anything but herself. She is smart like a fox, but not polished and not well read.
Something is eluding me here, but I can't quite grasp it.
Jon is out of options? Once this TLC contract is over, he can write a tell-all book and make a fortune. -----------------
Jon has settled that option away. It will probably happen anyway through a proxy but Kate will handle it by ignoring it.
"How do we know he can write a book? What if part of his settlement was to never write one?"
That's a good point, and I don't actually know.
Something may be eluding you, just wondering, because the whole thing seems choppy and unplanned. If you wanted to be taken seriously as an actress or show host, why go on DWTS when you can't dance? It seems very confusing when it appears that the person can't decide on whether they want to be famous by being taken seriously or by being a trainwreck.
dee3
To the other "anonymous"...let's say that I accept that you are "in the know". Here's the only problem I have: What you are writing here sounds reasonable for a normal person...but not for a person with NPD. Do you have any medical or psych training/experience?
I think this "plan" you're writing of sounds great...but Kate won't be able to carry it out. The main reason there are so many who dislike her is that her narcissism/NPD shines through so clearly....and makes her very unlikeable to many. This is what is making it become more and more unlikely that she will ever get any sort of show where she would be taken seriously. Her only big attraction now is that so many watch because they DON'T like her....but train-wreck effects are temporary and people will lose interest.
Even Kate herself said that she didn't care if people love her or hate her, as long as they were bringing in the ratings (for DWTS)...but it's a poor long-term plan....and will doom her to only doing reality-type shows....for a limited amount of time.
Due to her personality disorder, she's causing more and more people to dislike her and making herself more and more of a laughing-stock. That's a good plan?
dee3
"She will probably have to pay him off, to avoid having the kids find out how much he doesn't care about them."
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Really? Jon doesn't care much about his children? He might have made some bad choices this past year but to say he doesn't care is quite an accusation to make. The kids seem to think he does and smother him with hugs and kisses when they first see him. Kids don't lie about their feelings and they tend to mirror how their treated. I have a very hard time swallowing this one.
Although, I have no doubt Kate would be willing to pay Jon off to keep her little secrets secret.
Admin.,
I think we can assume Jon inherited money from his Dad. It is my understanding that money you inherit is yours (Jon's), not theirs (Jon and Kate). Could Jon still have the money he inherited and that may have increased considerably? Is my understanding of inherited money correct? That Kate cannot touch it and it is not half hers?
Some of you probably already saw this. It is too funny. Jimmy Fallon channeling Kate:
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/blogs/2010/04/jimmys-tribute-to-kate-gosselins-paparazzi-dance/
Usually yes inheritances are separate property and can't be touched in a divorce. But with the way Jon and Kate blow money you really think he has anything left of that inheritance?
Anonymous Reality Insider,
You threw some interesting stuff out on the table. We'll see...
But you forgot something:
The first rule of Gosselin Blogland... Don't trust anyone.
The second rule of Gosselin Blogland... Don't trust anyone.
;)
I believe Jon DOES love his children. I probably don't believe that Jon is doing this custody fight because he loves them though. I wish it was. I think it's to gain control over something. Money, power over Kate, something along those lines.
I can't blame Jon for wanting to ruin Kate right now. Everything is going her way right now. She had a huge part in their marriage going down and she hasn't really had to take any responsibility for it because Jon acted like an idiot this past year. That is his own fault. But I can see him feeling that Kate got off scott free because TLC was backing her and keeping her under her control and she came off looking like a woman done wrong. I think Jon was done wrong by Kate first and he just didn't handle it well.
Jon did act childish during the interviews and it hurt him. Kate "taking the high road" even when she really didn't sometimes worked for her.
I don't think her "career" will last. Being on reality shows is not a "career" even if it's all you do.
Kate on Amazing Race? I'd love to see that. Who would be her partner? Steve? I can't see anyone else putting up with her.
Survivor? Is there a "Celebrity Survivor"? I don't think they do that. But it would be interesting... especially if they are treated the same as every other past contestant and not like a celebrity. Then again isn't there "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here" already?
Admin.,
Normally, I would doubt that there is any inheritance left. But, Kate is not your normal, everyday Mom. She refused to spend their money to continue to have the nurse she wanted. Maybe, it is all still there. ha!:) Wouldn't that be a hoot if Kate is the reason Jon still has his money!
Anonymous reality insider, as we are calling you,
Are you Jamie?
I'm sorry, I feel like I'm on "What's my line"
Hahaha....that Jimmy Fallon dance is hysterical.
"But with the way Jon and Kate blow money you really think he has anything left of that inheritance?"
I agree with you. That's why I can't imagine that he could be paying this amount of child support unless he's still getting paid via the TLC contract.
There has to be some basis for that particular amount of child support being determined, right?
dee3
Admin,
You forgot to X out Buzz!
Anonymous reality insider, as we are calling you,
Are you Jamie?
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My first thought as well. lol
Just found that on the web...It is about Kate new book
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/kate-gosselins-tell-all-b_n_528491.html
French Canadian....I just got finished reading that article on the Huffington Post. It also says:
"Us reports on Kate's diva behavior on the 'Dancing with the Stars' set. Apparently it has gotten so out of control that the show's staffers have to contact her through her bodyguard.
"When the show needs to contact Kate, they go through Steve," a source told the magazine. "She acts like a major celebrity. It's a joke with the cast, like, 'Oh, look out -- the bodyguard is watching!'"
And regarding her new book coming out:
"On page after page, Kate recounts in vivid detail each child's suffering because of the divorce. However, Kate doesn't seem concerned about how her kids will react to the book. "She's back in diva mode," an insider confirms to Life & Style. "She's not the sweet, humble woman she's been pretending to be."
dee3
Kate Gosselin's Tell-All Book 'I Just Want You To Know':
Details On Each Child's Suffering
First Posted: 04- 7-10 11:59 AM | Updated: 04- 7-10 12:11 PM
Kate Gosselin has a new tell-all book.
Kate Gosselin covers Life & Style as an 'Out of Control Monster' and Us Weekly as a 'Train Wreck' this week. Tuesday Jon Gosselin announced his plans to sue ex-wife and "absentee mom" Kate for custody of their eight children and reversal of the spousal support payment.
Us reports on Kate's diva behavior on the 'Dancing with the Stars' set. Apparently it has gotten so out of control that the show's staffers have to contact her through her bodyguard.
"When the show needs to contact Kate, they go through Steve," a source told the magazine. "She acts like a major celebrity. It's a joke with the cast, like, 'Oh, look out -- the bodyguard is watching!'"
Life & Style has excerpts from Kate's new tell-all book in which she publishes letters detailing her children's issues with the divorce:
Life & Style has exclusively obtained a copy of Kate Gosselin's new book, entitled 'I Just Want You to Know: Letters to my children on Love, Faith and Family.' In the tome, Kate pens a deeply personal letter to each of her eight children. Among the secrets, Life & Style can reveal Kate finally owns up to bullying her ex-husband. "Much of what I said to Jon was unwarranted," she admits. "I could have watched what I said better, I could have guarded my tongue better. I wanted to communicate better, but I often failed." Besides not asking for help and berating Jon, Kate writes that she didn't take enough responsibility for day-to-day planning for the family. "I also didn't focus on the fact that much of the responsibility for our children, the finances, the schedules and the decisions about the future was on me."
In her letter to son Aaden, she apologizes for taking away his dad. "I do not possess the skills to father you," she writes. "But I will do everything I can to show you the way." And she even apologizes for ruining her once perfect family. Writing to son Collin, Kate cruelly implies that the 6 -year-old has a fear of abandonment -- and that her split with Jon has hit him the hardest. "I will never leave you," she writes to him. "I know that all the recent events in our family structure have greatly upset you, maybe you most of all. When I leave for work, I will always come back."
On page after page, Kate recounts in vivid detail each child's suffering because of the divorce. However, Kate doesn't seem concerned about how her kids will react to the book. "She's back in diva mode," an insider confirms to Life & Style. "She's not the sweet, humble woman she's been pretending to be."
Even if Jon is not paying, how much of a hit does the guy take for not paying 22 grand a month. The amount is obscene. The solution is simple. Sell the McMansion and put the kids in public school. What are they paying? $60,000 for kindergarten? Again - obscene.
Embarrass the kids? Give me a break. I bet dollars to donuts that other students in the twins class spend a fair amount of time passing around URL's about Katie Irene. The more damning, the better. I would guess the older two are either oblivious to it all or are mortified - and my guess is the latter. My unsubstantiated view point is that Katie also doesn't hesitate to call the school and inform them the teacher(s) don't take into account how her kids learn. I doubt the school is much of a haven.
How about dragging them to the gym in Reading? We all saw how the other kids were looking (glaring) at them. I have real doubts about those older two having any friends that aren't from the "nerd" heap.
No, embarrassing the kids is very low on Katie's list of concerns.
As far as Jon writing a book, can they really stop him? I know of cases where non-compete clauses in employment contracts were deemed as non-enforceable. Is this not the same thing? Seems to me that the more they try to stop it, the more demand would go up. With the amount of drama this train wreck draws, it would be a best seller and may even derail the whole "reality" genre. The guy would be set.
I posted the entire article here. I think everyone needs to read this. This is Kate Gosselin and how she "cares" about not embarrassing her children. Lies and more lies.
Kate, you are pathetic.
I didn't forget to X out Buzz just haven't gotten to it yet. I spent all evening in urgent care yesterday while they tried to figure out why I was having severe abdominal pain. Turns out, a bad UTI. Now the medication is making me throw up, boo! I'm waiting for my doctor to get back to me on switching my meds. Good news is, I called in sick today so I can finish up the recap, and X off poor Buzz.
Here's the thing, we all know Kate well enough to know that if Jon wasn't paying his support, she would be shouting it from the rooftops. I don't believe for one second he hasn't paid his support. She sold him out in every other way imaginable, the only reason she hasn't accussed him of not paying support to is because her lawyers informed her that would be slander and she could be sued.
And Jon's lawyer just came out and said he IS paying.
Hope you feel better Admin!
Diane, thanks for the Fallon clip, it was funny!
French Canadian, thanks for the link to that article. Interesting! I think it's wrong she put such personal letters out there to her children. It's one thing if they were just messages of love but to go into their personal issues and discussing the marital problems etc for everyone to read is just wrong. The kids are still so young! The show ended when they were young enough to get their normal lives back. Yes, there are DVDs but now there's this book too. Yikes.
Hi itsaboutthekids,
Great minds think alike. :)
Kate and her promises to her kids. Promising Colin she will always come home. What if her plane crashes? She cannot really promise that. I'm sure when Colin learns to read, knowing that Kate will always come home, just like Mom and Dad will always be together, will bring him immense comfort. If any of her children believe anything she says when they are teens, will be the amazing thing.
Admin,
Kate sure implied that Jon isn't paying and that's why she has to be away from the children and work. Maybe that's why Jon went to a lawyer. If he really has been paying, I don't blame him. If he's not paying because he can't afford it because TLC won't let him do anything then I don't blame him. I really don't understand why TLC is holding on to Jon so long. He supposedly has nothing to offer them and they plan to do nothing with him. Let him work elsewhere doing whatever it is he wants to do, whether it's media work or IT work, they should not have a say at this point. I really wish we knew what the settlement entailed. It sounds like Jon got nothing from it.
Kate has sold her kids out...again. When does someone make her stop. Please, don't buy this trash. Every bit of money made off this book will be paid for by the childrens' suffering. Once again they are being exposed to the world, only this time it's not just their cute antics, it's their very vulnerabilities and private emotions. Sad, sad, sad...
Admin, I'm sorry to hear that you are not feeling well. Sending positive thoughts your way :)...Thanks for this blog and it's great to hear other peoples' point of view without being slammed for having a different opinion.
Go Kids go! I hope you get to spend the time with your Dad (and Mom too!)
Hi Diane,
I wonder if she's ever said any of these things to the kids directly. I doubt it because she wouldn't make money off of that.
Yes, Admin, I'm glad you're back too and hope you're feeling better soon. I wondered why you had been so quiet. Hang in there.
This is what Kate has said about Jon's child support: I can't count on him. Then later on The View when Joy put her on the spot and asked her directly, isn't Jon paying support? She avoided her eyes and said "So here we are talking about DWTS!"
Notably, she never ever said he didn't pay! She is full of it. She knows she can't say that, but she wants to throw out subtle hints that make the sheeple think he is not but that aren't enough to get her sued. You can't really sue for someone refusing to answer a question or saying they can't count on a person. But we're not stupid, the implication is clearly meant to be he's not paying.
If Jon were not paying, Kate would say so. That's her MO.
Very good read and not from a inside source.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/news/article_1546476.php
SG, I think they're hanging on to Jon to keep him quiet.
Admin -- So sorry to hear about the UTI and hope you are back on track (no pun intended) soon!
FYI - haven't had a chance to catch up with all the comments so forgive me if you already know about the Lohan - Kate Major engagement announcement. ROFLMAO!
I don't believe all the reports about Kate being a terror on the set. But I also think one random encounter with Kate is hardly enough to know whether she is a diva. And the fact that Pam and Neicy keep passive aggressively insulting her says something.
What's interesting is that divas/narccisists/celebs, whatever you want to call them, are often very good at turning it on and off when necessary. Kate knows when she can get away with bad behavior and when she can't. When there's reporters around and the rest of the cast, now is not the time to be a total bitch. But it can come right out once the door closes. The majority of celebs are divas, that's how they got to be where they are--the incredible drive it takes. But you can't function in the world constantly behaving like that. There is a time and place for it, you turn it on and off.
Hi itsaboutthekids,
I wonder why Kate does not write a book about her own struggles, instead of her kids? Maybe, some day Kate will write about her struggle with herself. Not feeling loved, no one understands her, how she wished she had been born a man? Heck, even I might buy that one. wink.
Better than writing a book and making millions privy to very private information, why not, I don't know, discuss all these issues in THERAPY with the kids? With a confidential marriage and family therapist????
Re: The monsterandcritics article - You call that a good read? It sucked. But good image of the not-an-inside-source-girl and Kate, who put on that disgustingly phony smile. I haven't seen her wear that one since she and Jon posed together.
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