Isn't it a school week?
TLC, have you complied with Florida's child labor laws?
FLORIDA CHILD LABOR LAWS FOR CHILDREN IN ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY
- They also require permits before any shoot begins.
- Employers must provide Florida's Department of Business and Professional Regulation information as to each "shoot" and shall submit a "final report" upon completion of the shoot.
- The employer shall designate a Coordinator of Child Labor on each set to be the liaison with the Department.
- Minors age six to nine shall not be required to work more than 6 hours a day
- Minors ten to 16 may not work more than 7 hours a day
- Minors must have at least 12 hours of "rest" before returning to school.
According to PA law, time shooting in any other state counts toward time permitted to film in Pennsylvania. In other words, you can't run to another state and max out on your hours permitted in PA, then come back into PA and start fresh. The clock has run.
98 sediments (sic) from readers:
I know so many people feel it's great that the kids get so many opportunities to go to great places because of the show, but I think it's sad that the only time their mother will take them anywhere is if cameras are rolling.
Have the kids been to the Statue of Liberty yet? She said they were sooooooooooo disappointed they didn't get to go because filming stopped. That doesn't even cost much. Why couldn't she take them any time over the past year?
Even though the kids get to visit all of these great places, I don't think the experience is as enjoyable as one would think. It's not like the kids get to relax and have fun and the cameras follow the kids around. I think that the kids are told what to do and where to go so that the cameras can get their shots. After all, that is the reason why they are there-to film, not to just have fun.
Another couple of days of filming for another half hour episode of "freebies" and product placements. YAWN!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/childentertain2009.htm#Florida
Here is a link with a map of all the states etc.Brief synopsis of what each state requires, etc.
So, this week they have been shot at the orphanage, trapsed around wernersville, put on a plane in Fl. Lordie bee!
Kate gets free vacations, a private bus, and plenty of free help when they film. Why should she bother to take the kids anywhere on her dime when she can do it for free? I don't think you will ever see her take them anywhere unless she receives something in exchange.
Schmecky.. I'd be interested in your thoughts on indiscriminate friendliness & multiple caregivers. Google it and see what you find.
They're at Discovery Cove? That's more for older kids as you swim with live animals and there are dangerous coral reefs, et cetera. I guess 6 is the age limit and since the kids just turned 6... still. And it is outrageously expensive per person.
Also, ugh, she's in my city now. I hope I don't see her and she stays by the theme parks.
Kelly, Do you need any help calling Silver springs, etc?
And, poor Aiden can not even call in sick to work.
We all saw how much "fun" they had at Disney World thanks to their mother. I'd say every field trip for these poor children is pure torture.
First class all the way, baby! That's the only way Kate will have it! No Best Western for her! Childrens' education be damned!
Someone asked about laws regarding taking kids out of school for "work" or even vacation. I'm not sure laws would apply to the younger kids. They are in Pre-Kindergarten. It's not even required that they be in school for that. I don't think Kindgergarten is required either. I'm not sure, but I think the requirements are for first grade and up. Of course that applies to the twins then. I think if the kids are up to par with their grades and learning requirements it may not be an issue.
I took my daughter out of school for 5 school days for Disney World. She was in Kindergarten. Her teacher didn't say anything when I told her. I wasn't sure how she would react but I did make sure my daughter is up to speed with the others at the very least. She didn't even have any make-up work. Her teacher was actually very happy and excited for her. I plan to do it again in November but probably for the last time during a school year because she will be in First Grade then. I'm not sure yet what I will do in the future.
I know Denise who posts here is a teacher. Maybe she knows?
School district laws aside, there are child labor laws that require a certain amount of educational hours to happen on set regardless of whether the school cares if you're out of school or not.
This is not the 1st time this has happened. I see a pattern with the Gosselins. Kate sits & says to the camera "My children come first their education, health, welfare" her actions though are that "the needs of filming come first"
This is just a bad idea all the way around for these kids & it has only been a couple weeks.
just wondering said...
Schmecky.. I'd be interested in your thoughts on indiscriminate friendliness & multiple caregivers.
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I've heard of it before. I actually feel that is a real danger with the Gosselin children just from how they seem to hang onto anyone that comes in their path. They big guy from the motorcycle show... they were all over him for one example. The camera crew especially since they are alone with them at times.
I think the problem with the Gosselin children is there are so many of them and they all crave attention. Kate is thrilled that "everyone loves their children" but that is something that should be reserved for family and close friends. IMO.
I googled it for PA:
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Compulsory school age refers to the period of a child’s life from the time the child enters school as a beginner which may be no later than at the age of 8 years, until the age of 17 or graduation from a high school, whichever occurs first. A beginner is a child who enters a school district’s lowest elementary school grade that is above kindergarten.
I actually think Discovery Cove is very educational and a great educational experience for them... I'd have no problems with Kate taking them out of school for that, if not for the damn cameras having to be there. IMO.
I wonder how many mani/pedi's Kate was able to squeeze in while the camera crew "watched" the children. Wonder if she wore her hooker heels into the wading pool. Come to think of it, summer is just around the corner. We'll all be flooded with cover shots of Kate wearing the latest Johnson & Johnson bikini on the beach. YUCKKKKKK. We've got to see that enhanced belly button again?
I wonder how TLC is going to spin this trip to the adoring fans.
Yes, them damn cameras!
Hey Kelly,
You accepted my FB friend request this morning and now your page is gone. What's up? Hope the Kate fans and TLC didn't tell FB you were a "jelus hatur."
I don't know if someone saw that on this site
Monday, May 10, 2010
Jon and Kate together on kids' Birthday
Aaron StClair said...
Hi All - Sorry it took me so long to reply been out and about... So what do you all want to know? Yes i am the chief photographer for Splash News, working out of New York. We never get tip offs on Kate. Its pretty simple really. As the police wont let you park your car at their house, you have to sit down the road in your car and wait for Kate to drive past you... thats when there are normally 4 pap cars following her - she goes to a number of places. After 2 years of following her around you get to know her schedule, kids school pick up, fedex, ups, nails, hair, tanning blah blah blah.... As for taking pictures of just the kids.... I personally only take pics of them when one of their parents are there too... Jon/Kate may not be in the same frame as them but they are within a few feet of them. Its not as tho we photograph them on their own walking down the street.
I do apologize for the 4 week thing... i was under the impression that it had been 4 weeks already, as its been 4 weeks since Jon has been photographed with the kids.
I do agree Jon has phoned paps and has pap friends that he hang around with. Kate on the other hand hasnt and doesnt. She never talks to us and doenst really like us.
Im not sure why there is such anger and negativeness toward me... im sorry if my last post came accross brash and defensive, because i am defensive of my job and what i do. Im british, so its Paparazzi there by the way :-)
Not too sure that facebook page is real... As it says
"A wonderful day! Jon took the kids to his new apartment today, And after that I threw them a pool party!"
Well she had the pool party first, on mothers day... then the next day on the kids birthday, Jon took the kids to see his new apt.... not the other way round.
Im up for discussing anything at all, but if i get bashed and put down personally for what i do then i wont reply... remember we are all discussing something you are all interested in... pap pics, a reality tv show couple and their children, gossip, celebrity etc etc - Im staff, not freelance, so i get the same money if i get a credit or not - i have an alias i use for most of my work, but you will find old stuff out there with my full name credit.
Hope i have answered all your questions (apart from the ss# and mothers maiden name hehe)
May 14, 2010 6:06 AM
I bet you that Khate is going to announce in the future that the kids will be 'homeschooled' by tutors due to security reasons or some nonsense. Just another way for the the kids to work without anyone noticing.
Since the PA DOL didn't do their job the first time, I'm sure Khate and TLC feel that they aren't doing anything wrong as long as they have the work permits. They got away with it the first time so why not?
I guess one positive (if there is such a thing) thing that I have learned from the Queen Bee is HOW NOT TO PARENT and what being a REAL Mom as opposed to being a 'REALITY' MOM really entails. THANK YOU KHATE FOR THAT!!!
Kelly, I don't know about TLC, but Kate will spin this trip as "It's for the kids. They deserve it on a GOLD platter."
This trip didn't surprised me at all when I saw Jamie was in town.
Jamie probably doesn't charge by the hour like the nanny. She is on TCL'S payroll, if Kate has anything to say about it.
Afterall,she gets fringe-benefits !
Admin, you said "you can't run to another state and max out on your hours permitted in PA, then come back into PA and start fresh." It's excellent that that was clarified.
Schmecky you said "I think it's sad that the only time their mother will take them anywhere is if cameras are rolling." During his months of working for US Magazine my friend Al rarely saw either Jon or Kate doing anything with the kids unless it was a photo opp.
Yes, PA requirements are for children ages 7 and up. But that's not a good thing, because it means there are NO requirements for working with kids under that age.
Aaron StClair,
So you saw a pool party on Sunday? That's one thing I didn't believe because of the weather. Even with a heated pool. Maybe adults in a hot tub on that day is believable but the kids in the pool? I hope not.
Maybe that's why Aiden is sick, supposedly if it's indeed true that he is.
Admin, I hope you will allow this comment, as it's not directed toward anyone in particular.
I think we should all try to keep our comments in line with what we would want Murt to see should he come to check out our opinions about the filming of reality children. I want him to take us seriously. JMO. No offense to anyone in particular.
I just read a statement made by Matt Roloff,Little People Big World, on his Facebook page. You can click on the pic of the crew shooting and read the comments there. He states...
Matt Roloff : One episode can take as little as a few days or as long as several months. Depending on the drama. :)
Now imagine that you are a 6 yr.old and have to endure these kinds of days for your mothers selfish, greedy, hunger for fame and fortune.
It doesn't make any difference if you're in your own driveway, a dude ranch or in Florida. It is all the same.
Long days of people shouting at you to smile, look happy, don't cry, love at your mother, ride you bike, play with your sister,eat your lunch and etc.
IMO , that is really a sad life the Gosselin children are forced to live, but even more sad....there is nothing any of us can actually do about it.
SchmeckyGirl, the Statue of Liberty is not only inexpensive, it is free! It is a national monument and Kate would only need to pay the ferry fee to get there. That same ferry ride also picks up at Lady Liberty and ferries on to Ellis Island - also free. She just doesn't want to pay for anything - nor do it all on her own, despite her many claims to contrary that she does do it all on her own.
Per email conversation Janet P creator A Minor Consideration facebook fan page & activist today. She gave me permission to copy paste to all who are interested.
"my honest opinion right now to put a little "fear" in TLC/Discovery, Figure 8...let them know that all of you are not "green" to this industry and understand there are child labor laws/regulations regarding child performers, some requiring work permits and regulations concerning work hours and schooling and are well equiped to follow these companies from state to state with their productions if minors are involved and will be questioning as to whether to the kids are working or just being declared participants or require work permits and if there are any laws/regulations that would involve the children and protect them. This includes taking vacations/trips if those kids are being filmed for the show!
how can you let TLC know the bloggers are up on all of this? just make them stay on their toes cos you are all watching the kids and the laws..state by state! i can post it on TLC's facebook page? is there one??
now..as far as the sponsors! Ask them if they are paying the KIDS to sell their products on TV because if a child booked a commerical to sell their product they sure WOULD be paid a nice little sum of money! Think about it..they went to Disney - did the kids get paid to "sell" the disney park and products? the parents were paid, it went to family money and now being used to fight divorce and lawsuits! nice huh!
product placement...those crooked playhouses, Gymboree..the kids were NOT PAID - the parents were, but who sold the product!! the kids!
sad, so sad!
don't forget AMC facebook discussions there is a lot of info there too and paul AMC website!!
Look, spread the word, and don't back down. The Gosselin children and about 100+ like them are part of the reality television format. They need to be safeguarded, protected and paid just like other child actors.
Have these kids had a day off from filming since the permits were issued?
Aaron StClair,
I don't believe that facebook page is Kate's either. I don't believe any of the facebook pages are who they say they are.
Interesting that you (if you really are a pap and no offense meant by my being wary of anyone claiming to be someone on these blogs) don't get tip offs on Kate. I'd like to know if the photographers from INFDaily don't get tip offs from her.
Who took the pics of them all dressed in PeaceLoveWorld hoodies going out to dinner to Austin's in the rain? That shot looked like a photo op. IMO.
P.S. Thanks Admin. :)
At the very least PA needs to have an on set welfare worker and limit the hours these kids are permitted to work. And no matter how Kate/TLC/Jon spin the situation these kids are working. Circus animals work less than the G8.
Please forgive me if I am commenting on comments from other threads. I get them on my BlackBerry and come to the most current thread to comment as long as the topics are similar. Is that okay? It's so hard to go back and forth between threads.
Back when the kids were little they went to Sesame Place. Someone who was there wrote the kids were there for the shoot, then packed up and left. Some fun.
Schmecky Girl, those pics of the children in plw hoodies, including the one with Collin's hands over his face, were plastered all over the plw "celebrities sightings" portion of their website as well as their facebook page the day after they were taken. I'm thinking the kids were dragged out into the rain for advertising purposes. Peace love world has become the new Gosselin Gymboree only better, now Kate can beg for stuff for herself, too.
Judy that is sad but the Roloff's have been through it so they must know what it is like.
Schmecky Girl asked about kids missing school and a teachers perspective. I'm a teacher, though not in the US system so my comments are purely about my own experience with kids missing school.
1 week or so every now and then (read once a year) is not too bad. Particularly in the lower grades when assessment doesn't have to be the same for all students. At this point I'd be more worried about the implications socially for the child. If the Gosselin kids are frequently out of school, their peers may not think of them as a permanent part of the group.
The other problem I see with frequent absences is the pattern it sets up for later years. I teach high school, and frequently the kids who have been pulled for long holidays every year, struggle when they get to high school and Mum and Dad suddenly say 'No holidays you have to focus on school work.' Their actions earlier have taught the kids that school time is not valuable. Alternatively they become the kind of parents that drive me up the wall, those who take teenage kids out of school for extended periods, and expect me to help them do well, and make up work. Not all work can be covered in an email, or by getting a kid to do an assignment, I do something called 'teaching' if you aren't there, you miss it!
My concerns therefore are:
1) Miss a lot of school in younger grades, not as accepted in the peer group. (Little kids forget, out of sight, out of mind).
2) Develop a pattern of behaviour
3) Parents don't make school a priority thus leading to significant problems when kids are supposed to get down to it later.
Does that make sense!?
Aaron St. Clair:
Sorry, but I'm not "buying" your persona or your spiel. IMO, TLC/Figure 8 and whomever else of the vested interest type, are putting people on these blogs to take the temperature of the Take Greedlin blogosphere. Our comments contain a wealth of information for everything from PR to stylists and storylines. Just look at what happened recently with those ridiculously fitting "safety helmets" for the overindulgent three years too late Fisher Price birthday cars.
I think what gave you away was the "mother's maiden name and ss#" comment. What "Brit" would use such an American bureaucratic-ism in a stab at humor?
And if you are for real, I sincerely apologize.
Again.. Children in PA are not legally required to attend school until the age of 8. Therefore, they are not breaking any laws by missing any days of pre-k.
@Aaron StClair -- If you really are who and what you say you are (no offense, but I’m with SG about being wary), I'd like your thoughts about one particular issue. As a preface, I don't mean for my questions to come across as confrontational or snarky (it's difficult to get a read on someone's tone just through a post, so I want to clarify that I’m seriously curious about your thoughts).
Do you honestly feel it’s appropriate to photograph the kids at their bus stop drop-offs and pick-ups? I understand that you and the other paps have to earn a living – and I have no problem with you tailing Kate as she goes about her ridiculously boring and predictable beauty appointments and Target runs. Kate is an adult who voluntarily put herself in the limelight – and it’s clear that she enjoys the attention from the paparazzi, no matter how much she feigns disgust at being photographed. The kids, on the other hand, have not chosen this life. My feeling is, the bus stop is *the kids’* turf, for lack of a better word. It’s not the parking lot of Target or Kate’s tanning salon – this is a location designated specifically for the kids. It’s supposed to be a safe place for them to meet the bus and/or their parents (or nanny, as the Gosselin’s case may be). When you infringe on that territory, I think you’ve crossed a sacred line. Do you ever consider how the pap presence first thing in the morning, then again after a very long day at school, may be causing the kids a great amount of stress? Not to mention, they have classmates and friends on the bus – do you consider how embarrassed they might be not only by the attention focused on themselves, but also in the disruption the pap presence causes at the bus stop? Also, there are other kids to consider at the bus stop besides the Gosselins – classmates have to witness and endure the blitz, and their faces often appear in published photos. Is that okay?
Like I said, following Kate to Planet Vanity or Skin-Cancer-R-US is something she signed up for. Following the kids at the bus stop just means they have one less place to feel any sense of safety and privacy. Can’t you paps settle for the exhibitions on the McMansion’s driveway when you need photos of the G8, and let the kids alone at the bus stop?
BTW – it doesn’t matter the nationality of a photographer, “paparazzi” is an Italian word. The plural is “paparazzi”; the singular is “paparazzo.” As in: “It really irritates me that so many paparazzi hound the kids at the bus stop. I wish I could find ONE paparazzo with a conscience.” (Okay this last bit, though correct is its grammatical assertions, is pure snark).
I look forward to your thoughts.
Although kids are not legally required to attend school until the age of 8, how would your child feel about starting 1st grade @ 8 while everyone else in the class is 6? By the time the child graduates from hs he/she would be 19 or 20. I could see a child starting school @ 8 if they had a medical condition that kept them from attending school. But otherwise I don't see a reason for it.
GoPoshGo:
I really apretiate your comments - and to all the rest of you i am real... INFDaily are our main competitors - The photographers, all of which i am very good friends with and most are also British. I totally stand corrected on the Paparazzo thing!.. Had no idea or cared to be honest.
Its interesting that you say...
"My feeling is, the bus stop is *the kids’* turf, for lack of a better word. It’s not the parking lot of Target or Kate’s tanning salon – this is a location designated specifically for the kids."
Well funny enough the bus stop is actually a HUGE parking lot for Babies r us and Target - agreed not to busy at the time that the drop off it but still it is in a main public place. Before all of this devorce stuff happend i worked on the Gosselins... Once a week they were filmed dropping the kids off at the bust stop (mainly the twins at the time) but my question is, what makes me (a Paparazz'o' sitting in a car maybe 100 feet away taking pictures, sometimes closer) different from TLC video crew, consisting of 2 camerame, a producer, and a sound guy... all of which are there in advance waiting for the arrival of the family....
As far as the embarrassment and the focus on the kids/disruption on the bus etc... - well... The bus makes 2 stops in the big parking lot, the first is at the other end... to ppick up only the Gosselin kids, as to not interupt the other kids and families - the 2nd stop is as the beginning of the car park for the rest of the school kids. So no one witnesses what goes down apart from the Gosselins themselves, the TV crew and the school bus driver.
Yes i was at Austins... again 100% not a set up, the video crew were already in the restaurant awaiting their arrival.
I did the same as i always do, sit round the corner in a car, the huge Sprint van passed me - i followed it and they all arrived as Austins restaurant, there was me and INFDaily there. Colin, the little cute boy with the Glasses even said hi to us all, and Kate laughed - they were running to get in from the rain.
alana - I am for real, dont worry i would be skeptical too, i dont feel the need to prove myself to anyone on here - but im not too sure who on earth would lie about being a pap. I love my Job, and believe me the Gosselins are very very little fish for me! I love to travel the world meeting great people, taking pictures of celebrities, and getting paid for it.
SchmeckyGirl - I did wonder what the make of those hoodies were.... Kate was lifting a box with pictures of the hoodies on at UPS the day before... and all of a sudden they are wearing them - this is something i know happens with celebs, they get free stuff for themselves the more that they get photographed wearing that brand - so she knew we were gonna photograph the kids wearing that brand - so she will get more free stuff from them i bet!
Little Aaden is aparently sick - and yes probably from the cold pool party she held on sunday... i think it was about 50 that day!
I think i have covered everything?.....
Aaron
I agree with everyone. I'm just saying that Kate won't be in any legal trouble because of it. She can keep them home to film for the next couple of years if she wants to as far as the law stands right now. It's a rotten shame, too.
While it's true kids are not "required" to go to school until age 8 (how old is that law, 1877?) they also have a "right" to go to school from age 6 if they want to. Child labor laws in PA also require that the employment NOT interfere with school. Which brings up an interesting question. If technically the Gosselins are not required to be in school yet, even though they are, are they still required to abide by laws that say working can't interfere with school? PA has some re-writing to do of some very sloppy statutes that did not anticipate the Gosselin eight.
Aaron,
Thank you for your insight re. being a Pap and if you love what you do, all the power to you. I guess the problem really for me, isn't the paps taking pictures, it's the big corporation TLC / Discovery and the parents using the kids to profit the company, differnt product companies and the parents own lavish lifestyle.
Aaron, do the kids ever seem distressed to you in any way? If not, why do the pictures translate that to us? They say a picture is worth a 1000 words so when the pictures that we see of the kids looking sad when Khate is flying out the door after being away in LA, or Colin covering his face at the bus stop, it really does break my heart.
Can you shed some light on what the kids demeanors are really like?
GKWay said...
I bet you that Khate is going to announce in the future that the kids will be 'homeschooled' by tutors due to security reasons or some nonsense. Just another way for the the kids to work without anyone noticing.
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From another blog I'm on, one of the girls has her kids in the same school as the G kids. It (taking kids out of school) is done often by many parents. It is a PRIVATE school, they do not go by the public school rules and regs.
Colin, the little cute boy with the Glasses even said hi to us all, and Kate laughed - they were running to get in from the rain"- Aaron St Clair
Well, that just ticks me off.
So, the filmed outside the orphanage, they filmed in a restaurant, they got on a plane and headed to Florida? When do they get to be kids?
Kelly? Is the protest still scheduled as planned any updates?
Kate take the kids out of school for home schooling??? She doesn't want those kids 'hanging out' at home! Seriously, she'll put them in boarding school, as soon as they've 'outlived' their purpose.
First time poster. Hi all. I am a mother of 4 grown children and a Licensed Independent Social Worker in the state of Ohio.
I have a question about the above thread.
Let me get this straight: Kate has a hoard of photographers following her every single time she goes in for a toe-nail polish, but the entire family plus their many hangers-on leaves town, gets on a plane, goes to Fla and no one notices till they are seen filming once they are there?
What about Mr. Pap above, who says he sits on her street waiting for her to make her daily trip to UPS? He and his buds didnt notice the Gosselinique extravaganza on it's way to the airport and such?
Just asking...
I wonder if the kids were really devastated over not seeing the Statue of Liberty, or that was just Kate's rendition since she was boo hooing over the show ending too soon. Either way, she could have taken them, but she never took them anywhere unless the cameras were rolling and she was able to have 1st class accomodations getting to and staying wherever they went.
Sorry Gang,
I'm not buying the "Pap" response here. My bullshit detector went off with the first response and subsequently after the other responses.
What "Pap" is going to spend a Friday afternoon/evening trolling blogs and writing about this when they could be out filming other celebs and earning some cold hard cash?
Not buying it, don't believe it. Sorry.
"mother's maiden name and ss#"
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On the previous thread he was being grilled and I said, "do you want his mother's maiden name and SS#?"
He was repeating my lame joke.
Kate isn't a celeb that "PaP's want to earn money off of, unless there is some salacious tidbit that they know, can shoot and make some big bucks off of.
Wernersville PA, isn't a hub for "P" People and other than a political rally with a national figure attached, the PaPs aren't going to be hanging there, waiting for Kate Gosselin unless they are pre warned by Kate, Jon or their PR team.
Nice try but you're flat lining as far as I'm concerned. Now, what to do with this bullshit detector that just won't turn off? It's spraying everywhere.
@Aaron: Thanks very much for your response. You seem to have missed my point about "parking lots" though. Yes, we're all aware that the bus stop is in a mall parking lot. However, it's located there NOT so that the kids can be in full view of cameras. The location was chosen out of convenience for families in the general area to meet and have their kids bused to their school of choice (which happens to be quite far away, and therefore doesn't afford the convenience of a regular bus stop on each family's own respective street).
My point was that it is nevertheless a spot *designated* for the kids' safe drop-off/pick-up from school. We know it's in a very public location ... but does that make it okay for anyone to film the kids as they get on and off the bus? I do have to question the 2-stage drop-off thing you mentioned as well. I've seen video and photos of [non-Gosselin] kids getting off the bus along with the Gosselins. Perhaps the situation has changed recently -- I wouldn't doubt in part to parental protest of the Gosselin annoyances at the bus stop. And while you may stay quietly stowed in your car 100 feet away, there ARE the paps who are right up in their faces, asking Kate (when the nanny has the day off) questions as she shoves the kids into the van. Despite her fake scowls, it's clear that Kate LOVES the attention (I can almost see her thought bubble: STOP IT SOME MORE) -- but it's the kids who end up as collateral damage every school day. As I said, I appreciate your all needing to "get the shot." I just think the bus stop crosses a boundary that should be best left alone.
You ask what the difference is between you and a TLC camera crew, who are also in the Gosselin kids' faces seemingly 24/7. You know, really not that much. But that doesn't make the exploitation of the kids any more palatable. The reality is that Kate and Jon sold their kids to the highest bidder -- and in their case the buyers are TLC and the tabloid media. Jon and Kate are buttering their bread on both sides, and laughing all the way to the bank -- all the while their kids suffer the consequences.
You're right, what you're doing is no worse than what the TLC camera crews are doing to the kids. Just remember, it's also no better. Please tell me that the moral yardstick by which you measure your choices is not based on being a bit above the lowest life form on the planet. Make a choice with your conscience. Leave the kids alone.
On a side note: thank you for being the lone, brave paparazzO to enter the debate with us. ;)
TVSnark,
It's back up but I did take it down due to the inordinate amount of negative messages I got on there from a few of the fanatical fans of Kate.
Further proof of Arron's BS. If he is a PaP, filmed the kids on mothers day swimming, how would he know that Aiden is sick, in Florida and didn't post/sell pics of the family?
I'm sure he didn't get a text message from another poser that one of the kids were sick while he was scurring around Wernersville looking to take a picture of other celebs in this tiny town.
@Aaron: Thanks very much for your response. You seem to have missed my point about "parking lots" though. Yes, we're all aware that the bus stop is in a mall parking lot. However, it's located there NOT so that the kids can be in full view of cameras. The location was chosen out of convenience for families in the general area to meet and have their kids bused to their school of choice (which happens to be quite far away, and therefore doesn't afford the convenience of a regular bus stop on each family's own respective street).
My point was that it is nevertheless a spot *designated* for the kids' safe drop-off/pick-up from school. We know it's in a very public location ... but does that make it okay for anyone to film the kids as they get on and off the bus? I do have to question the 2-stage drop-off thing you mentioned as well. I've seen video and photos of [non-Gosselin] kids getting off the bus along with the Gosselins. Perhaps the situation has changed recently -- I wouldn't doubt in part to parental protest of the Gosselin annoyances at the bus stop. And while you may stay quietly stowed in your car 100 feet away, there ARE the paps who are right up in their faces, asking Kate (when the nanny has the day off) questions as she shoves the kids into the van. Despite her fake scowls, it's clear that Kate LOVES the attention (I can almost see her thought bubble: STOP IT SOME MORE) -- but it's the kids who end up as collateral damage every school day. As I said, I appreciate your all needing to "get the shot." I just think the bus stop crosses a boundary that should be best left alone.
You ask what the difference is between you and a TLC camera crew, who are also in the Gosselin kids' faces seemingly 24/7. You know, really not that much. But that doesn't make the exploitation of the kids any more palatable. The reality is that Kate and Jon sold their kids to the highest bidder -- and in their case the buyers are TLC and the tabloid media. Jon and Kate are buttering their bread on both sides, and laughing all the way to the bank -- all the while their kids suffer the consequences.
You're right, what you're doing is no worse than what the TLC camera crews are doing to the kids. Just remember, it's also no better. Please tell me that the moral yardstick by which you measure your choices is not based on being a bit above the lowest life form on the planet. Make a choice with your conscience. Leave the kids alone.
alana said:
think what gave you away was the "mother's maiden name and ss#" comment. What "Brit" would use such an American bureaucratic-ism in a stab at humor?
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IF you read previous posts, you'd see that someone said THAT to him, he was replying to her comment. I believe it may have been Schmecky Girl.
If in fact Mr. St Clair is a pap he is not very ambitious. He would be in LA or NY where celebs are everywhere. The photos taken in Wernersville are from one contracted agency paid for by TLC. It's TLC who is telling them where Khate is going to be and if they want their $$$ they better show up.
No actual paps would be interested. I live in LA and see paps following celebs all the time. Wouldn't you rather get a shot of Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock, Brad Pitt etc than Khate Gosselin? The thought is mind boggling.
btw GoPoshGo he should referring to parking lots as car parks, if he is British, which he does later on in his post. Someone must have corrected him.
"School district laws aside, there are child labor laws that require a certain amount of educational hours to happen on set regardless of whether the school cares if you're out of school or not."
Public school districts have "laws" and mandatory attendance requirements. The school attended by the children does not. It's a private school. Parents take their kids out of classes for vacations throughout the year. In lower school and Pre-K, the time out of school is relaxed. However, heading toward Middle School and Upper School, such vacations are frowned upon. In fact, US students are penalized in various ways if too much school is missed.
You're right, though. It has nothing to do with school laws. It's all about work permits and filming. The following are the rules for PA students:
"The Department of Labor and Industry issues a Special Performance Permit for the employment of minors seven (7) to eighteen (18) years of age. This permit is for theatrical productions, musical recitals or concerts, entertainment acts, modeling, radio, television, motion picture making, or in other similar forms or media of entertainment to be performed in Pennsylvania. Children younger than seven (7) may be issued this permit to work in film or video productions, but not still photography.
If the performance or rehearsals will require any absence from school, there is a section on this permit that requires the signature of the building principal and work permit issuing officer. Arrangements have to be made to ensure that participating in the performances will not interfere with the student’s academic progress. To obtain an application for this permit, or for additional information, contact the Department of Labor and Industry at 1-800-932-0665"
In addition, if they were filming in Florida:
"The student will need a work permit from the state in which he or she will be working. The student should contact the school district in which the employer is located."
I wonder if this was done. If not, should PA DOL and FL DOL be notified?
I think the most beneficial thing that can be done right now is to keep an eye on possible violations of the labor laws and notify the PA Department of Labor and/or Representative Murt if we suspect any violations thereof.
I just had a random thought. Why does Kate have to be on TV at all? With all the crew and other help they could film a "Gosselin 8" show, and Kate could be like any other stage mother, off on the sidelines sitting in a white plastic director's chair. If the show MUST go on (although we all agree it should not)couldn't they do it without Kate? IMO her ugly mug is a liability. Is there still any doubt that this is ALL ABOUT HER??? Kate's a huge, over-weaved, over-baked, child-abusing ham.
Laura D.
For the pap above--if nothing is "staged" by Kate, Disc./TLC or their PR/management firms--how did anyone know that they were going to Austin's that day and time? You stated that the video crew was already there--well, someone had to tip off the paps of that fact.
Let's face it--Wernersville/ Wyomissing/ Reading is not the same as LA. Austin's is not the same as The Ivy or Mr. Chow's. Paps are not going to be hanging around all the time at the strip malls where Kate does her errands or goes to eat, etc. She doesn't go to do errands at the same exact time or day--sometimes she's out of town, no? Where do the paps get her schedule from? (I realize, however, that the school bus time is predictable--but how do you know if Kate will be there and not one of the nannies?)
Do the business owners themselves tip them off? Someone is --my point is that the paps just don't randomly "catch" Kate and her brood.
Also, there is typically a LOT of traffic around the shopping areas that Kate frequents--how do paps get there in time if they're not somehow notified?
The cute little boy with the glasses is Aiden, not Collin. Seems to me you might have figured that out by now.
Personally, I believe Mr. StClair. He works for Splash News and not INFphoto. INFphoto is the crew who seems to receive all the tips about where the Gosselins will be.
I would be interested in hearing more from him before everyone sends him away. What can it hurt? Just because he can't tell the kids apart means nothing. I still can't tell the kids apart half the time. Seems a shame to jump on someone who is willing to share information with us.
Please continue to post, Mr. StClair as I am very interested in reading what you have to say. And thank you for taking the time to post.
I'm not sure if he's real or not, nor am I demanding his SSN to prove it, but some of Aaron St. Clair's info has been corroborated by other sources. He also said they wait in their car for Kate to leave then follow her. That could be how they found her at Austin's. That's typical of paparazzi, you wait around all day in your car then hurry up and go--I don't find this hard to believe. And why not stay around PA? The photos are making money and no one else is here, vs. coming to LA and competing with 100s of other people for the photo.
I think it's interesting that we have two pap sources now who say Jon tips off the Paps. Aaron, and the one talking to one of their neighbors. Also, we have photos of the paps talking to the kids on Jon's time, and Jon approaching the fence to chat. Call me crazy, I believe this is true, I think he IS keeping them in their back pocket.
As for Kate, remember Tony went out to lunch with the paps, and the paps got into her limo, so I don't think it's completely true she ALWAYS ignores them. She wants them around, too, just not to the extent Jon seems to court them.
Thank you Admin.. I believe him, too. I would like to hear more from Mr. StClair.
Mr. StClair,
I would like to ask how you found this blog and why you decided to post here? Thanks!
I believed Aaron St. Clair since his 1st post last week. I actually have thought that he is the pap that WG previously blogged about not a 2nd one. Aaron is that true? I do strongly believe that Kate (or her minions) DO notify the paps. Remember the video that was taken in NYC of her & Tony & Steve leaving that Discovery Premier? The paps were furiously taking pictures and then gets into the limo with Kate , Tony & BG.
How many times have we seen TLC"s PR damage control pics from the bus stop and the playground last fall. There are countless examples.
Dr. Lillian Glass believes that Kate's team DOES tip off the paps. I tend to believe her. This is what she most recently blogged:
"The papps aren’t that intrustive. I see them everyday oputside my building in Beverly Hills and have seen how they operate up close and personal. They often use telephoto lenses, especially when kids are involved. Also if Kate is that much against the papps, she should bow out of her two shows and not allow the kids on TV and keep them hidden and sheltered from the public like many celeb parents do. Also I have no doubt that KATE or her minions called the papps to come to the airport to take photos of her as papps do NOT hang out at LAX unless they are alerted ahead of time. The certainly do NOT hang out at the Philadelphia airport unless they were alerted in terms of when her flight was coming in. That is how it works. The only place where papps are on a steady basis is at popular LA an NY clubs or eateries like Spago or Mr. Chows in LA and outside my office building at 435 N. Bedford Drive in Beverly Hills. That is where papps can find celebs going to docotrs in my building, the hairdresser, the manicurists, or having their eybrows waxed."
Dr. Lillian Glass - April 28, 2010 at 7:58 pm
"If Kate is that much against the papps, she should bow out of her two shows and not allow the kids on TV."
Exxxactly. If she hates this so much, I don't know, don't make Kate Plus 8? Go out and get a real job that doesn't put your kids on TV? The rest of America has managed. By the way, I was just reading in Kate's book that she and Jon were financially secure BEFORE the show. She said so, point blank. They were doing pretty good for a couple as young as them with that many kids. She doesn't explain how they were but people have speculated it was because of Jon's inheritence. I will provide the page numbers if you want to read this paragraph and not just take my word for it. They never said they did the show for money--she said over and over and over it was to document the memories. Everyone has heard that. Even JODI testified they did it to document the memories. I believe them, it was to document memories.
To now spin it five years later she needs it for the money is completely disingenious. She was fine before and perfectly capable of managing her money in a smart way. Why suddenly is she in trouble now? She had a quickie divorce, her bills should not be that ridiculous. One episode of DWTS should pay any legal bills.
I've read several bloggers posts that state that they see no correlation between the Gosselin 6 and the Dionne quints. Here is an open letter that they wrote to the MacCaugheys that TIME magazine published:
ADVICE FROM THE DIONNE QUINTUPLETS
By ANNETTE DIONNE; CECILE DIONNE; YVONNE DIONNE Monday, Dec. 01, 1997
Before the McCaugheys, the most famous multiple births--by far--were the Dionne quintuplets, five identical girls born to a French-Canadian farmer and his wife in Corbeil, Ont., on May 28, 1934. The media got wind of the event when the father called the local newspaper to ask whether a birth announcement for five babies would cost the same as one. An enterprising journalist filed a wire-service report, and the quints--Annette, Emilie, Yvonne, Cecile and Marie--became global celebrities. Three Hollywood movies were made of their lives; in the midst of the Depression, sales of Dionne dolls outstripped those of Shirley Temple.
This week the surviving Dionne sisters, Annette, Cecile and Yvonne, now 63, asked TIME to print this open letter to the McCaugheys:
Dear Bobbi and Kenny,
If we emerge momentarily from the privacy we have sought all our adult lives, it is only to send a message to the McCaughey family. We three would like you to know we feel a natural affinity and tenderness for your children. We hope your children receive more respect than we did. Their fate should be no different from that of other children. Multiple births should not be confused with entertainment, nor should they be an opportunity to sell products.
Our lives have been ruined by the exploitation we suffered at the hands of the government of Ontario, our place of birth. We were displayed as a curiosity three times a day for millions of tourists. To this day we receive letters from all over the world. To all those who have expressed their support in light of the abuse we have endured, we say thank you. And to those who would seek to exploit the growing fame of these children, we say beware.
We sincerely hope a lesson will be learned from examining how our lives were forever altered by our childhood experience. If this letter changes the course of events for these newborns, then perhaps our lives will have served a higher purpose.
Sincerely, Annette, Cecile and Yvonne Dionne
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,987457,00.html#ixzz0nwwFVSAa
@ Administrator: I've got the book too, and she does brag about how good she was with the finances. Kate doesn't need the money, she needs the celebrity lifestyle. It has all gone to her head. She is standing on the backs of her kids to wave at her perceived public. She uses the fact that she has 8 kids to feed but in reality she is pursuing the lifestyle she craves. If she were just so proud of her kids that she thought the world should enjoy them, then she would be pushing them forwsrd, *without herself* perhaps in a venue of their own. No, she is using them to be famous. It's all about HER, not about the money.
Laura D.
"The student will need a work permit from the state in which he or she will be working. The student should contact the school district in which the employer is located."
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Does that mean the kids/Kate must contact the school district where Disc./Fig. 8 headquarters are?
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PA Child Labor Law:
"43 P.S. § 63 provides in part that
It shall be the duty of every person who shall employ any minor, under the age of eighteen years, to post and keep posted, in a conspicuous place in every establishment wherein said minor is employed, permitted or suffered to work, a printed abstract of the sections of this act relating to the hours of labor, and a list or lists of all minors employed under the age of eighteen years and a schedule of the hours of labor of such minors. The schedule of hours of labor herein required shall contain the name of the minor employed or permitted to work, the maximum number of hours such minor shall be required or permitted to work on each day of the week with the total for the week, the hours for commencing and stopping work, and the hours when the time allowed for meals shall begin and end for each day of the week"
Do you suppose they posted this in Florida...every place, including restaurants, in which they were being filmed?
Who is overseeing this? You know darn well that this isn't being done. It's too much of a hassle for TLC. Is there a watchdog?
In addition, PA Child Labor Laws states that a minor may not work anywhere in which alcohol is served. Were the kids filmed at Austin's? It's a bar. Haven't they been filmed in other restaurants that had liquor licenses?
Someone either on this site or another gosselin site stated that the film crew was at the restaurant to film the 8. That's something to send to Rep Murt.
I just found the post about Austin's. It was Aaron St. Clair who said that the film crew was already set up in the restaurant when the G8 arrived. This is definitley something to report to Rep Murt. I am not a resident of PA so I don't know if he would respond to me. Maybe a PA resident can send this infor to him.
MoonandMango said...
"In addition, PA Child Labor Laws states that a minor may not work anywhere in which alcohol is served. Were the kids filmed at Austin's? It's a bar. Haven't they been filmed in other restaurants that had liquor licenses?"
The episode of Jon's 30th b'day is one. Kate, Jon, Jodi, Kevin, Mady, Cara (and I believe some of the cousins) were all at the restaurant for the dinner. It's the episode where Kate announces the surprise trip to the FL Keys for Jon's birthday. It's in a restaurant that serves alcohol -- and both Jon and Kate were drinking wine with the dinner (and were quite giddy on the juice, as I recall). Not a judgment; just an example that the kids *have* worked in an environment where alcohol was being sold and consumed.
It seems the tricky-wicket that advocates for the kids continually come up against is TLC's assertion that the show was a documentary, and that the kids were being filmed doing what they'd normally be doing anyway. If that were really the case, then attending a dinner with your parents during which time they enjoyed a couple glasses of wine is not against any laws. BUT, if the kids were actually "actors" on the show (and let's face it, we all know this is the REAL case), then their being filmed in a restaurant where alcohol is sold/consumed is in violation of PA child labor laws.
All these "fuzzy lines" make one thing clear: Clear and specific labor laws need to be written specifically for kids on reality tv shows.
"This is definitley something to report to Rep Murt. I am not a resident of PA so I don't know if he would respond to me. Maybe a PA resident can send this infor to him."
Done.
socr8s said...
"I just found the post about Austin's. It was Aaron St. Clair who said that the film crew was already set up in the restaurant when the G8 arrived. This is definitley something to report to Rep Murt. I am not a resident of PA so I don't know if he would respond to me. Maybe a PA resident can send this infor to him."
I'm a resident of PA, socr8s. I'll send Rep Murt an e-mail about Austin's and about "Jon's B'day Episode" that I brought up in a previous post.
I'm a PA resident, and I've already reported this to him, but it's good if there are multiple eyes watching out for this. It would also be interesting to know if permits were placed inside the restaurant, in accordance with PA Child Labor Law 43 P.S. § 63, as quoted above. I didn't report this, so you might want to include it in your e-mail. Are permits being posted everywhere they are filming?
By the way, Rep Murt will respond, even if you are not a PA resident. In fact, he's called a few out-of-state residents when they voiced their concerns. He's very serious and dedicated to this cause.
"It's in a restaurant that serves alcohol -- and both Jon and Kate were drinking wine with the dinner (and were quite giddy on the juice, as I recall). Not a judgment; just an example that the kids *have* worked in an environment where alcohol was being sold and consumed."
Right. But they didn't have work permits at the time; TLC was claiming they weren't "working," so I'm sure they can dismiss this as being a documentary and being where alcohol was served was a non-issue.
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I am still here - Will respond soon - not too sure why people are putting up the Splash news Urgent Email tho???
Can Aaron confirm that TLC did, in fact, film inside Austin's?
No they didnt, they filmed outside the restaurant, not inside - i had dinner inside at the bar... watching. kate, Steve and the nanne were there along with all of the kids - no filming inside tho.
How are people here? any more questons come out recentlty? anyone else dont believe who i say i am????
Aaron
No they didnt, they filmed outside the restaurant, not inside - i had dinner inside at the bar... watching. kate, Steve and the nanne were there along with all of the kids - no filming inside tho.
How are people here? any more questons come out recentlty? anyone else dont believe who i say i am????
Aaron
"It's in a restaurant that serves alcohol -- and both Jon and Kate were drinking wine with the dinner (and were quite giddy on the juice, as I recall). Not a judgment; just an example that the kids *have* worked in an environment where alcohol was being sold and consumed."
Right. But they didn't have work permits at the time; TLC was claiming they weren't "working," so I'm sure they can dismiss this as being a documentary and being where alcohol was served was a non-issue.
"This is definitley something to report to Rep Murt. I am not a resident of PA so I don't know if he would respond to me. Maybe a PA resident can send this infor to him."
Done.
MoonandMango said...
"In addition, PA Child Labor Laws states that a minor may not work anywhere in which alcohol is served. Were the kids filmed at Austin's? It's a bar. Haven't they been filmed in other restaurants that had liquor licenses?"
The episode of Jon's 30th b'day is one. Kate, Jon, Jodi, Kevin, Mady, Cara (and I believe some of the cousins) were all at the restaurant for the dinner. It's the episode where Kate announces the surprise trip to the FL Keys for Jon's birthday. It's in a restaurant that serves alcohol -- and both Jon and Kate were drinking wine with the dinner (and were quite giddy on the juice, as I recall). Not a judgment; just an example that the kids *have* worked in an environment where alcohol was being sold and consumed.
It seems the tricky-wicket that advocates for the kids continually come up against is TLC's assertion that the show was a documentary, and that the kids were being filmed doing what they'd normally be doing anyway. If that were really the case, then attending a dinner with your parents during which time they enjoyed a couple glasses of wine is not against any laws. BUT, if the kids were actually "actors" on the show (and let's face it, we all know this is the REAL case), then their being filmed in a restaurant where alcohol is sold/consumed is in violation of PA child labor laws.
All these "fuzzy lines" make one thing clear: Clear and specific labor laws need to be written specifically for kids on reality tv shows.
I don't know if someone saw that on this site
Monday, May 10, 2010
Jon and Kate together on kids' Birthday
Aaron StClair said...
Hi All - Sorry it took me so long to reply been out and about... So what do you all want to know? Yes i am the chief photographer for Splash News, working out of New York. We never get tip offs on Kate. Its pretty simple really. As the police wont let you park your car at their house, you have to sit down the road in your car and wait for Kate to drive past you... thats when there are normally 4 pap cars following her - she goes to a number of places. After 2 years of following her around you get to know her schedule, kids school pick up, fedex, ups, nails, hair, tanning blah blah blah.... As for taking pictures of just the kids.... I personally only take pics of them when one of their parents are there too... Jon/Kate may not be in the same frame as them but they are within a few feet of them. Its not as tho we photograph them on their own walking down the street.
I do apologize for the 4 week thing... i was under the impression that it had been 4 weeks already, as its been 4 weeks since Jon has been photographed with the kids.
I do agree Jon has phoned paps and has pap friends that he hang around with. Kate on the other hand hasnt and doesnt. She never talks to us and doenst really like us.
Im not sure why there is such anger and negativeness toward me... im sorry if my last post came accross brash and defensive, because i am defensive of my job and what i do. Im british, so its Paparazzi there by the way :-)
Not too sure that facebook page is real... As it says
"A wonderful day! Jon took the kids to his new apartment today, And after that I threw them a pool party!"
Well she had the pool party first, on mothers day... then the next day on the kids birthday, Jon took the kids to see his new apt.... not the other way round.
Im up for discussing anything at all, but if i get bashed and put down personally for what i do then i wont reply... remember we are all discussing something you are all interested in... pap pics, a reality tv show couple and their children, gossip, celebrity etc etc - Im staff, not freelance, so i get the same money if i get a credit or not - i have an alias i use for most of my work, but you will find old stuff out there with my full name credit.
Hope i have answered all your questions (apart from the ss# and mothers maiden name hehe)
May 14, 2010 6:06 AM
Yes, them damn cameras!
just wondering said...
Schmecky.. I'd be interested in your thoughts on indiscriminate friendliness & multiple caregivers.
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I've heard of it before. I actually feel that is a real danger with the Gosselin children just from how they seem to hang onto anyone that comes in their path. They big guy from the motorcycle show... they were all over him for one example. The camera crew especially since they are alone with them at times.
I think the problem with the Gosselin children is there are so many of them and they all crave attention. Kate is thrilled that "everyone loves their children" but that is something that should be reserved for family and close friends. IMO.
School district laws aside, there are child labor laws that require a certain amount of educational hours to happen on set regardless of whether the school cares if you're out of school or not.
They're at Discovery Cove? That's more for older kids as you swim with live animals and there are dangerous coral reefs, et cetera. I guess 6 is the age limit and since the kids just turned 6... still. And it is outrageously expensive per person.
Also, ugh, she's in my city now. I hope I don't see her and she stays by the theme parks.
Kate isn't a celeb that "PaP's want to earn money off of, unless there is some salacious tidbit that they know, can shoot and make some big bucks off of.
Wernersville PA, isn't a hub for "P" People and other than a political rally with a national figure attached, the PaPs aren't going to be hanging there, waiting for Kate Gosselin unless they are pre warned by Kate, Jon or their PR team.
Nice try but you're flat lining as far as I'm concerned. Now, what to do with this bullshit detector that just won't turn off? It's spraying everywhere.
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