After a brief visit with Jon after their trip to Alaska and L.A., Jon dropped the kids off at Kate's yesterday. This disturbing video shows kids in hysterics not wanting to go.
And the "rumor" that Jon is forced to drop the kids off at the end of the driveway again appears to be true. This is the second time Jon has been seen at the end of the driveway for a drop off. Jon and Kate should please pick a neutral location to pick up and drop off the kids. This business at the end of the driveway sends kids the very unhealthy message that their beloved Daddy is an outcast not worthy of gracing the front door.
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I am appalled.
That video is so disturbing - those poor children! It is painfully obvious they don't want to go home. What a sad picture to watch as Jon has to wait for the nanny to come from the house to drive them to the house. Jon is not one of my favourite people, but surely he should be allowed to drive the children to their front door. Listening to the little ones cry indicates to me they prefer their father's company. I wonder what kind of a reception they will get once they are behind closed doors.
Say it again Kate-you bitch. "Repeat after me kids. Me & Daddy are going to be together forever".
The Gosselins, Jon and Kate have no empathy for their own children. This did not have to happen and should not be video taped. Obviously, Jon is forbidden near the home. That in itself is sad. If not allowed to return his children to their front door, a neutral place would be appropriate and their mother should be the one picking them up from their visit. Again, there is NO EMPATHY shown to these children or maybe this is a way to drum up viewers for Wednesday's 2 hour show! Who knows the truth with this sad story?
I have tears in my eyes after watching that - heartbreaking. Still think it was worth it to sell your children, Jon?
There are still insane people over at INF who are commenting that Jon and the pap are in cahoots to make it seem like he's the kids don't want to leave him. Sure, makes sense. The pap somehow MADE the kids wail "Daddy, don't go!" times 6. The pap MADE Mady, then Cara quietly yet sadly hug their father goodbye.
That Chris sure is powerful! He should try his hand at making Kate grow a human heart next.
That video is beyond sad. It's interesting that Kate already had a nanny at the house. It seemed like Cara and Mady were already home. Surely they don't need a nanny. I think it speaks to the kind of mother Kate is that she needs a nanny at home with her all of the time.
"What a sad picture to watch as Jon has to wait for the nanny to come from the house to drive them to the house. Jon is not one of my favourite people, but surely he should be allowed to drive the children to their front door."
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It's got to be disturbing to the children, who remember when their daddy lived there, played with them there, ate his meals there with them, to all of a sudden not be allowed on the property. What kind of a message is this sending to the kids? Do they think that their father did something absolutely dreadful that he's not even allowed in the driveway? I'd love to hear what a psychologist says about this.
He's good enough to pay their mother $20,000 in child support every month, but he can't set foot on the property. She has no problem accepting the money, does she? He should tell that he will deliver the money to the front door...love to hear her reaction!
Oh lord those poor kids. Something is sadly wrong here, they need to be rescued from this nightmare. Unfortunately those cries are falling on Kate's deaf ears. Someone needs to slap that woman into reality.
I want to hear how she explains eight kids crying in the van to Meredith Viera this time.
Finally watched the video. What in God's name is going on in that house that would cause those poor kids to cry like that? They sounded terrified to have to go back. They must live in a house of horrors.
As far as having yet another private moment taped, this time I am glad it was. Evidence that something is very wrong in Madness Manor.
I hope Rep Murth sees this.
They're probably threatened with the "penalty of severeness" if they fuss in the house, or don't line up and obey for the filming.
Go to INF and read some of the comments. You won't believe the sheeple BS. Some accuse Jon of setting this up and telling the kids to yell or cry, some even say that he is yelling at them and that is why they are upset.
I think the 12 year old sheeple just stick their head in the sand and ignore anything that is as obvious as the nose on their faces.
Thank you for posting this Admin.
My GOD. I work with little ones and I've seen plenty of kids upset at having to leave a parent. But that's just---wow. It's not just that there are six of them (apparently the twins were at home already?), but that they sounded freaking HYSTERICAL at the idea of not seeing him and going home.
But what this also drives home is how much bullshit that whole "pap" situation is! That is a RURAL freaking PRIVATE road in Pennsylvania. Kate and her family are NOT important enough in pop culture to warrant a freaking stake out to get pics and footage of this! Not only that, but since this is a private road, all it would take is calling the police once or twice and that would be that.
That's not a paparazzi. That's someone paid by TLC, PERIOD. I dare anyone to argue otherwise. Ridiculous.
The ONLY criticism I have of Jon as a parent (and I couldn't care less what he does with regard to anything else) is that he didn't keep his kids off TV. Other than that, I have to admit the kids seem FAR closer to him and he seems to be a loving dad.
God, what a scene. And I have to say, I've seen Kate push the kids off in another direction from her when she was leaving or they were leaving her or whatever and I never saw or heard the kids react like that.
The kids are being raised by a bunch of strangers. Strangers going through revolving doors. And on occasion a neurotic self absorbed mother...what would you expect.
I have been reading this blog for a long time. I really do not care how Kate Gosselin looks or what she does to herself. What I do care about is what is happening to those children. When one of my grandsons was 3 his parents divorced. I saw what they were doing to him but didn't know how to stop it until that Christmas when I took a picture of him driving the motorized car he had recieved from his uncle. When I looked at that picture I wanted to cry. His eyes were vacant and there was no joy on his face. Well I blew up that picture and gave it to my son and told him to stop tearing that child apart. A picture says alot and when both of the parents saw it they changed and began to be civil to each other. By aster the sparkel was back in their little boys eyes.
If this video of the Gosselin Children could be seen by just one person who had the power to make what Kate is doing to those children STOP then please find him/her. Grandmas have the power to protect their grandchildren but these poor little Gosselins do not have grandparents to protect them
I think this video needs to be sent out to every show that Kate has ever appeared on claiming to be a great mother and trying to convince the world that she is broke.
The View, The Today Show,The Insider, E.T. and the list goes on and on.
If I knew how to do it , I would !
How can Jon stand leaving those kids in that condition? I'm sure he really didn't have a choice, but he needs to step up the the plate and now take control of this situation.
I don't care if he is broke,fighting the bigwigs(TLC),or whatever other excuse he can come up with, his children need him and he needs to fight like hell to get them away from their mother, before something bad happens to one of those precious children.
As usual another very private moment preserved.
It doesn't benefit the kids.
Jon sold them to TLC just as much as Kate did.
Sweet dreams Jon.
I watched the video and as disturbing as it is, it is far more disturbing then Jon's realtionship with the paps. I truly believe he once again alerted the paps. Chris asked Jon if he thought Kate would come down and meet "us". I also don't put it past Jon to have egged on this dramatic seen. Did you notice how Cara quickly turned her head to face the camera? That seemed very, very odd that she would knowingly put her face out there to be photographed.
Are the kids upset because they are sad to be saying bye to Dad? Absolutley! Does Kate's not allowing him to pull the van in driveway not upset them further? Absolutley!
These are 2 of the meanest and most selfish people in the world.
But Jon-you are scum to have allowed this to continue and profit off of it.
So sad! There is more to the story than we are seeing and I feel the tide is turning. Something big is about to come out. I can't fathom how someone could see this and then just try to explain it away as normal behavior.
Troy Chula Vista said...
Go to INF and read some of the comments. You won't believe the sheeple BS. Some accuse Jon of setting this up and telling the kids to yell or cry, some even say that he is yelling at them and that is why they are upset.
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The sheeple can rationalize it any way they want. That's what they do best when the evidence hits them squarely in the face. I watched that video twice, enhanced the audio, and there is nothing staged about it. Although the kids are on a reality television show and used to scripting, they are NOT ACTORS. The painful screams and wails coming from them are genuine. Kids tell it like it is...their distress is real. You could spot a staged video a mile away, and this most definitely is the real deal. No question about it.
Time for CPS and/or the courts to check this out. I've known many children of divorced parents, and none of them acted like that when they were returned to the custodial parent if, of course, the custodial home was a happy one.
Something clearly is wrong there, and it's time for an investigation. I hope the kids are spilling info on what's going on, and Jon gets on top of this. Jon, do what's right. See your attorney before too much damage is done.
Do they think that their father did something absolutely dreadful that he's not even allowed in the driveway?
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He did do something terrible! He put them back out there, in the public eye, allowed them to be further televised and the continued press. For the very naive people who think that Jon and Kate are not both in cahoots with the paps, for the money are pitifully wrong.
The saddest part, is I think what we DON'T see is far worse.
PatE said...
The kids are being raised by a bunch of strangers. Strangers going through revolving doors. And on occasion a neurotic self absorbed mother...what would you expect.
August 3, 2010 4:59 PM
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There's truly something beyond sick and wrong with TLC and Kate when they feature 'Top 5 moments with the crew'.
How 'bout 'Top 5 moments with estranged family' instead? (although, with the exception of Kevin & Jody, the Kreider side could be skipped. Kids are damaged enough already).
"Did you notice how Cara quickly turned her head to face the camera? That seemed very, very odd that she would knowingly put her face out there to be photographed."
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I seriously doubt that Jon called Cara in advance, told her to come to the car to meet them, hug him fiercely, do a little dramatic skit, and turn her face to the camera.
"I also don't put it past Jon to have egged on this dramatic seen."
I do. Not this one. He was clearly upset, also. If he wanted to egg on a dramatic scene, I don't think he'd involve his kids in it. Kate maybe, not Jon.
Unless this video goes viral and is picked up by main stream media and given a fair level reporting (not what did jon do, etc) it will NEVER be shown on tabloid tv (Insider, Access, etc). The reason? Simple, $$$$$. These tv shows won't be able to get the queen of mean as a "special reporter" or in studio so they can kiss her butt if they show and report on this.
More likely, TLC will spin it and Kate will go on these shows during her "PR" campaign for the next "special" and act, infer that maybe Jon did something to the kids to upset them. The Billy Bush and Mario Lopez will feed her grapes and tell her she is the best thing since sliced bread.
Trucker, let's be fair here: I doubt Jon acted alone in the whole pap thing. It's most likely part of their DEAL with TLC that Chris the pap takes film and pictures whenever he can of Kate and/or the kids. It's not as though Jon said "hey I'd like this moment dropping off the kids to show up on the gossip blogs" and called the paparazzi. That one pap out there in rural PA is employed by TLC to do one job only: take this kind of footage.
It's part of BOTH of their deals with the devil. I wish Jon had gotten the kids out of the whole show when he was trying to and I give him a bit of credit for at least trying, unlike his wretched ex-wife, who would sell those kids for every last dollar she could get for them.
It's hard for six year olds to fake this level of upset, even if they're professional actors and these kids are not.
How would he have "egged" this on? (And it's scene not seen.)
And WHY would any parent WANT their kids to be this upset????
I just watched for the first time.
I cannot believe what I saw. I think it was Alexis who was absolutely SHRIEKING for Jon: "Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!"
These kids have not been coached and to suggest they are is to be completely dilusional. Unless all six of these kids are Meryl Streep.
If I were representing Jon I would show this video in court. Lesser instances of children having meltdowns when going back to another parent have led to many a judge ordering monitored visits. I've seen it and been the attorney on the case.
I noticed that the kids were saying not that they didn't want Jon to leave but that they didn't want to go HOME. There's a big difference. A disturbing difference. They sound PETRIFIED to go home.
This video was worse than I ever expected. I thought it would be the kids tearful and hugging Jon. Instead I see kids horrified to be going back to their mother.
Jon needs to man up and get this in front of a judge. He needs to ask himself why their goodbyes are this unhealthy and what is going on in that home that they are so hysterical to go back to it.
Everyone needs to keep a copy of this video because TLC will soon pull it and it will secretly be put in the vault along with some others that have gone there before.
Admin, I've long suspected (because I was "raised" by a narcissistic mother so similar to Kate it really gives me chills) that what TLC shows us and has shown us is the BEST footage they can get of Kate with her children.
This just gives my theory more weight.
Jon rolled up the window to avoid talking to the pap. Cara was not looking at the camera--my head automatically turns to the left when someone hugs me too. Please get these children away from Kate. Her children have been away all weekend and she can't even meet them at the gate herself--that sends a powerful message to those little ones. Those children belong with Jon.
For all we know, she wasn't even home.
On his twitter Jon said he was very upset that paps showed up.
Sure he could be lying, but he has made a public statement denying he had anything to do with Chris showing up.
I've put way too many coached kids on the witness stand this was not a staged event, I've been around the block too many times with parents who manipulate a family law case, I know it when I see it. Problem with coaching is most people cannot keep their lies straight or act as well as they think they can. Six kids and Jon and the twins all pulling off a huge farce? Please.
I can understand a child crying because they don't want to leave one parent....especially since they have been away from Jon for a few weeks now due to their WORKING. However, I must agree with everyone here that this goes beyond a normal meltdown.
Trucker, I questioned Cara's turning to the camera too BUT ...it was natural for her to do so since otherwise, she would be facing Jon's neck otherwise..(not a comfortable position) PLUS her siblings were SCREAMING ...she probably turned away from the noise too.
Maybe Jon did alert the paps, but in this instance, it's a good thing. Why does Jon have to hand those kids off to a NANNY at the GATE? Why can't this transition back home be private and between the MOTHER AND FATHER? I am sickened by Kate's flippancy towards her kids feelings. These children are pawns in Kate's life and it's heart wrenching to watch!
(I also feel bad for Jon to have to hear his children plead to not go home...and there's nothing he can do about it....I hope what he went through today makes him take a step back and realize that he needs to FIGHT for those kids and go tell TLC to @%!^!$#^$ off!!!
Carol, this is not a private road. It's a public road going by their house. Jon pulled up to the call box and the pap stayed on the road.
Jon could beg him to leave all he wants and call the cops, but the cops won't do a darn thing since Chris has every constitutional right to stand on a public place and take video.
Now morally is this right? Absolutely not.
As far as the dozens of reasons why the kids are acting this way to me that is really beside the point. The sheeple can try to spin any kind of ridiculous scenerio they want the bottom line is their reactions ARE NOT NORMAL and that something needs to be done to help these poor kids. Someone needs to get to the bottom of why they are reacting this way. If it's Jon's fault fine but get them help.
I have to say I need to gloat for just a second as yet another "rumor" turns out to be true.
Remember when we first said that Kate makes Jon pick up the kids at the end of the road? Sheeple had a field day claiming this was wild speculation and we had no right to say that.
Well here we are RIGHT AGAIN. Oh look, the blog strikes again. BAM!
These kids have not been coached and to suggest they are is to be completely dilusional.
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Not to mention, when was the last time you 'instructed' six kids to do anything and they all actually DID it????? Sure, staged...yeah, that's it. Stupid sheeple.
Fair to Jon? No way. When he is fair to his kids, then maybe I will give him some benefit of the doubt. I don't think the kids were pinched, or threatened, but by egged on, perhaps better wording would have been to say could Jon have allowed it not to escalate? Nip it in the bud, so to speak. I am NOT saying that the kids aren't terribly upset. Not at all. What I a pissed off about is that this moment was USED to garner pity for poor old Jon. If he cared about his kids for more then his paycheck he would have and could have done something about it. This scene and the many more that we have and have not scene are because HE backed down. Did he call Cara? No. Could he have told Cara to turn her head, you bet. I put nothing by this twittering, survey, child exploiting Daddy.
It still doesn't explain the fact that none of these people are important enough or popular enough or on the public radar enough to have a pap stationed way out there all the time.
It's planted. It's part of the deal with TLC.
Also, this just underscores to me how often Chris the TLC photog has actually BEEN on their property since I can see just how far it is from the public road to the HOUSE! No zoom lens is that good!
Trucker did you not catch him trying to get them to STOP?
Good Lord. I'm not about to nominate him my favoritest person ever, but to even suggest that he encouraged the kids to act as distraught as possible is really going outer limits here. I think your personal feelings about him are clouding things for you.
I can just picture Kate waiting for the kids at the door, and the second they stepped in she immediatley starts pointing and barking orders about where to go, how may times to breathe, and what not to leave laying around. There is no way she met them at the door to welcome them home, hug them and ask what they did. I'm sure if the kids tried to tell her what they did, she would be negative about it or not even want to hear it.
Kate Gosselin should be ashamed of herself for being so full of hatred and contempt for Jon, that the kids have to be let off at the gate like a package delivery....like they are visitors to their own home and need permission to re-enter. She is a pig from hell and I cannot wait for karma to bite her ass.
Do I think Chris is paid by TLC? Yes. Do I think Jon wanted him to come to this particular drop off, no.
The divorce and custody battle was at its peak months and months ago. Why didn't Jon pull this card way back then? He waits six odd months to finally stage some ellaborate video about how much the kids hate to go home? Come on he's dumb but not that dumb. And also I think the kids are sweet kids but they stink at acting, there's no way this could have been pulled off.
As I said I've worked with many a coached kids. We almost always sniff them out right away. All but the most sophisticated kids cannot pull off something like this.
Jon said he didn't call Chris in. Jon has made a ton of mistakes but it just doesn't make sense that this was all planned. Chris has been stationed at the fence for ages, this is nothing normal.
I think it's odd to see Chris suddenly show up at an airport baggage claim. I don't find it odd for Chris to be surprising Jon at the gate to the kids' house (I say the kids' house because that's what it is), a place where it makes sense to hang out.
Wow, this is really shocking. I teach 1st grade, so I'm used to the nuances of 6-yr-old behavior. This was not staged, and Jon did appear quite upset. I wondered if it was any or all of the boys screaming, since they suffer so under Kate's regime.
I hope Jon does wake wake up and take a stand for his children. It can seem hopeless to fight Katezilla and TLC, but it's got to be done if those children are to enjoy any kind of peace and love in their sad little lives.
OMG, I'm praying for those children. They must live in a nightmare.
I mean this is nothing ABNORMAL to have Chris be waiting at the gate.
Why would Jon ask Chris to leave when he most likely was the one who notified him. Money for Jon and Chris. Or Kate and Chris, depending on who he is being tipped by.
I agree, the kids are distressed. And I don't doubt that Jon said something like, "your mother thinks I am a bad Daddy and won't let me on the property or other terrible things a kid shouldn't hear about the other parent. I bet there is some much put down and innuendo in front of the kids that they are terribly screwed up.
Admin-I don't think anyone here is being delusional accept maybe thinking that Jon will ever "Man" up and do what is best for his kids. Don't see that happening.
The way I see this is
1. This was an opportunity to have people think Jon is a great Dad and his kids don't want to leave him
2. An opportunity to make so more money by exploiting his kids
3. To get back at Kate for whatever she has recently done to piss Jon off
4. To make sure the public knows he isn't allowed on the property
5. If his kids are in harms way and this is how he attempts to alert officials he is a bigger idiot then I thought. If Jon thought/saw evidence of physical abuse I don't believe even he would take them back home
6. This WAS a publicity stunt.
Admin, I agree with you about the kids being afraid to go home.In my professional life I have only seen reactions this extreme in very dysfunctional or abusive families.
This is real, nobody could have coached this scenario. And apparently there is nobody who has the time or the inclination to comfort those kids.
Where is the therapy that Kate was so concerned about providing over a year ago? It never happened.Those children are in dire need of it.Things will only get worse.
Jon first tried ignoring the kids, then he tried comforting them with hugs, then he finally tried to tell them to "STOP!"
You don't tell a kid you are trying to coach to STOP. Talk about really confusing a kid and bursting your whole plan.
It's just ridiculous to say that Jon coached the kids. Kate couldn't pull off something like this either, some people give these parents just way too much credit.
Only comment I can add is - I'll bet this is the last time Kate has Jon drop the kids at the gate. From now on it will be at the front door, out of camera range behind all those pretty new bushes.
Truker said...
Why don't you give us some insight on how you feel about Kate. Is she a better parent? Admin said that video & pics on public streets is within the paps right. Do you expect Jon to get into a scuffle and smash the camera? That would be just what the sheeple would LOVE. I can see it now "Jon goes beserk and scares the heck out of his kids" Now that would be p/u'd by EVERY tabloid tv show & web site regardless of why Jon did it. Kate and TLC would have more spin/ignore control on her lack of mothering skills. One sheeple commentor (Jersey) even breaks it down inch by inch on how Jon staged it all.
Trucker said
I don't think the kids were pinched, or threatened, but by egged on, perhaps better wording would have been to say could Jon have allowed it not to escalate? Nip it in the bud, so to speak. I am NOT saying that the kids aren't terribly upset. Not at all. What I a pissed off about is that this moment was USED to garner pity for poor old Jon.
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What?
This is NOT ABOUT JON.
It's about the kids.
They were shrieking in fear of going home.
That is not healthy.
I don't give a rat's ass about Jon. He is sitting on his ass while his 8 kids earn a living for him.
What was Jon supposed to do? Start screaming for them to shut up? No, he actually did the right thing and he was trying to console the kids.
Random thoughts.
IF a paparazzo was called by Jon to film this, then it may be because this happens all the time and Jon wanted it on camera to make some kind of a case for getting custody. He would need some kind of proof that the children are afraid of someone in that house, or of the situation inside that house.
Secondly, I have to wonder if the NANNY isn't also fearsome to the children? It's possible, you know. Imagine a conspiracy between Kate Gosselin and a "do as I say" nanny, neither of which have any sympathy for these kids' feelings. It might not be all Kate, since I doubt she interacts with her children very much on an average day. The nanny may have full license to treat the children however she wants.
A truly random thought: does anybody know if the Nanny is Asian American, or if she has come over to the States to work as a nanny? Of course we know nothing about her, but I'm hoping against hope she's got credentials. We all know there are instances of people hiring
undocumented child care workers from other countries and not paying their SS or other benefits, etc. I always thought it was odd that the nannies only show up on pap photos, never on the TLC show. Oh well, just a can of worms I've opened, probably for no good reason.
Admin,
I respectfully disagree.
And Carol, I don't think Jon said, "OK kids cry and scream and yell"...I think they are naturally going to be upset about leaving fun Daddy. I am saying that Jon left the van door opening knowing it was being filmed. Why would he do that? To show the world his kids are distressed about being with Kate? Then for goodness sake Jon, grow and pair and DO something about it. Jon EXPLITED HIS KIDS AGAIN TODAY! That is how I see this. I am sorry if anyone thinks I am overheated about this. I think Jon is a turd and his kids be damned.
I'm wonder how hard TLC is advertising the latest episodes, which air tomorrow. Just a bunch of spliced together leftovers from previous shows...should be a ratings bonanza!I sure hope NOT.
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Mommyin,
I agree, the kids shouldn't be passed off this way and if Jon doesn't like it he should handle it maturely, in a court, with an attorney, and see it through.
I don't think it was abnormal that Chris was there either. What I find interesting is that he's always portrayed Kate rather positively and now, finally, we're seeing the other side of the story. Chris sounded shocked at what he heard also; I hope this guy is waking up to what he's been shooting all this time.
And to the poster who said Jon should have nipped it in the bud...maybe he didn't want to start screaming at them, since he knows that's what they get from Kate? I think he handled it reasonably: as Admin said, he tried to ignore it, tried to soothe them with hugs and then finally came down on them when the screaming escalated to hysteria. For all his faults, he's obviously got a heart, which is more than can be said for Kate. That woman is truly frightening.
All I could think of while watching that was how Kate once said it would be the KIDS' house and not THEIR house. Not belonging to one parent or the other.
Which at the time I thought, given her controlling ways, could NOT be pulled off successfully.
Seems like I was right about that. It's HER house. Jon can't even enter the damn gate to bring THEIR kids back to THEIR mom.
I've known men married to and divorced from women like that (hello, my real dad and stepdad!) and for them, it's often easier to go passive and not fight than to dare to cross the person who will stop at nothing to make them miserable if they so much as get a whiff of disagreement or insubordination. What they have to realize is that they NEED to fight for their kids' sake, but they're often so emotionally withdrawn/beat down, they don't. Not that it makes it ok, it doesn't. I've just seen it for too long.
I mean, why didn't my dad fight harder on our behalf? He saw what a monster our mom was. Why didn't our stepdad try to protect us from her wrath? He was too busy surviving (he's still married to her, somehow).
Plus, in order for Jon to be able to PAY the $20,000 a month court-ordered child support, he HAS to make money from TLC, so it's like this horrible Catch-22.
And the kids are the real victims.
Is Jon still receiving his TLC paycheck, while his children are filming/working and he's playing games, watching movies, relaxing, waiting for his girlfriend to get home from work and twittering about nothing? Jon didn't appear to be upset when a pap showed up at the arcade and his apartment doorstep when he was with his children. Why was he upset when the pap showed up for this video? Kate's a fake greedy famewhore, but what is Jon doing to stop the filming, pap photos, videos etc. of his children? How is this giving them back their private lives, and financially and emotionally supporting them? I don't believe the children were coached at all, but Jon could have protected his children's privacy and wellbeing by doing whatever he needed to not have allowed this video to even exist.
OMG, I read it incorrectly -- it's 3 FULL hours. All at TLC are PIGS
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Carol,
Please do not take my comments personally and I am not worried about amy spelling or getting a word correct. And I used the word "scene" exactly the way I intended.
IDModo said... Admin, I agree with you about the kids being afraid to go home.In my professional life I have only seen reactions this extreme in very dysfunctional or abusive families.
IDMO all I will say is in my professional life ME TOO and since my cases are confidential that's all I can say. Seen bad breakups a hundred times, seen stuff like this 2 or 3 times. It's not normal, period.
What you will learn about child abuse when you've been a professional dealing with it on a daily basis is that most kids love their parents and just want to be with them abuse or not. This is surprising to most people. We impose our adult minds on children like we always do.
No worries, Trucker. I take nothing here personally since it's about other people and not me!
Jon's hands are tied. If he starts screaming at Chris to get out of his face they will say he has an anger problem. They will also say he's just yelling at him to make it appear he doesn't want him there so that wouldn't work. He might also scare his kids. Most of the kids weren't even seen on the video, just their screams. He opened the door enough to get inside and give them hugs. He hugged one of them three times trying to get her to calm down. He even closed the door tighter around him at one point.
Listen to Chris' voice when he says "the kids are crying." He seems a little shocked and a little uncomfortable. He's no actor either, I don't think he had any idea at all the kids were crying. He started the film asking Jon a few questions like if Kate was going to pick them up, obviously clueless that the kids were in back having a meltdown to leave their Daddy.
There's just far too many pieces in the puzzle to stage something like this. Remember this is JON not OJ Simpson.
Jon is too stupid to get his kids off TV, too stupid to get full custody from a bonafide narccicist, and definitely too stupid to stage Citizen Kane for all to see.
"I don't believe the children were coached at all, but Jon could have protected his children's privacy and wellbeing by doing whatever he needed to not have allowed this video to even exist."
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Certainly he could have. However, he was clearly upset. Do you really think the filming would have stopped? Didn't he have enough to deal with at that moment? Why would he get into an argument with a pap? Talk about added stress for the kids! Additionally, perhaps when he saw his children's reaction to his leaving them, he didn't want the video to stop, but rather have it preserved for the courts. Smart move. Now if only he does something with it.
Is it me? Maybe I am the dumb one. No, the camera should not have been there. Another private moment stolen away from those children. BUT the reaction of those kids? I don't think that was coached, faked or whatever. Those were the cries of children who obviously miss their Dad. Does anyone think that they freak out like that when it's time for Kate to hand them to their Dad? I don't think so.
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Jon's hands are tied. If he starts screaming at Chris to get out of his face they will say he has an anger problem. They will also say he's just yelling at him to make it appear he doesn't want him there so that wouldn't work. He might also scare his kids. Most of the kids weren't even seen on the video, just their screams. He opened the door enough to get inside and give them hugs. He hugged one of them three times trying to get her to calm down. He even closed the door tighter around him at one point.
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No, his hands were not tied. He could have driven down the street, called his ex-wife and worked it out so that he was either allowed to come up the driveway or they met elsewhere to transfer the kids. If she wouldn't cooperate, he could have called the police. He had options other than to allow that scene to be filmed for the world to see.
Trucker said: "Chris asked Jon if he thought Kate would come down and meet "us". I also don't put it past Jon to have egged on this dramatic seen."
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Trucker, Carol was correct. It's SCENE, not seen. You told her you "used it exactly" the way you intended it.
Um, no...not in this case.
I'm sending the link to this video to everyone I know.
TLC, Kate and Jon, Eileen O'Neill should all be hauled into court for creating this monster. Put it to an end NOW! And I really want to see Kate face this for a change instead of hiding her smug mug behind her sunglasses, tears and scripted Q & As.
I am also wondering if this happens EVERY time he drops them off. If it is, those kids are in worse emotional pain than I ever imagined. We knew it was bad, but this goes beyond that.
I just am sitting here stunned. Just stunned. I don't have children but I spend a lot of time with kids enough to know that that is ust not normal...you can't coach that. Just like you cannot hide true expressions on faces in photographs.
I hope this does not get swept under the rug. What kid of parent has an ex drop of their kids anywhere else but the front door? I'm sorry its just totally creepy.
And whomever asked, why does Kate need bodyguards, nannies and other assistance when she has the kids yet Jon is on his own? Something just bothers me that Kate feels the need for a bodyguard going to the grocery store yet has no problem letting her kids go off with just her ex-husband? Somebody please, explain this to me if even humanly possible...I doubt it.
Admin I wish you could send this to the talk shows Kate seems to requent, it would do a world of good and really bring some things crashing down.
Smart move. Now if only he does something with it.
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Don't get your hopes up, he's not that clever nor is he apparently, willing to fight for what's in the best interest of his kids.
This is the second time Jon has just had the tups for the weekend without the twins. Wonder why....just curious. Doubt they would have walked down the driveway to give him a hug if they didn't want to.
So very, very sad. Enough said.
Hi Marie,
I don't know how much good it will do, but, I posted the video at Dr. Lillian Glass's body language blog. I couldn't figure out how to e-mail her so, I just posted it in her newest thread about Al Gore in the comment section. I asked her to give us her opinion. I was the second comment and the 3rd comment was from someone who saw the video I posted. So, maybe, she will.
I know some people sent the video of Colin on the previous thread to Rep. Murt. I hope they send this one, too. Hi Irene!
Maybe, I should send it to Joy Behar.
Have a good night Marie.
This is not a staged event and anyone who thinks it is needs their head examined. Something is very wrong here and to blame the father is ridiculous. Yes he should go to court, yes he should get these children some psch help, its obvious that this divorce has traumatized this little ones. There is something more substantial to all this and its going on in that house. Those children are being forced to work in front of them cameras and they are old enough to know that. I will never watch another show or repeat of their show ever again. I can't believe how those children were crying for their dad not to leave them there. Jon needs to man up and take his family back from the clutches of TLC and that awful woman. How dare she have the gall to not their own father drop them off at the front door. I hate that woman.
That was primal fear, it was not coached, set up, predetermined or any of those things. There is something not right about what is going on inside that house and people just need to stop with the Team Kate versus Teaam Jon BS and think about what those kids are going through. That video gave me a chill and I could not watch it again. Does anyone who saw it doubt that the kids cried themselves to sleep that night or will tonight or whenever it was. How many times has that happened that no one saw? How many times have those kids cried themselves to sleep, or were ordered to suck it up and be a man by their monstrous, sorry excuse for a mother. They are not 30, they are 6 year olds who have a very demanding job so their mother can continue in the lifestyle to whch she has become accustomed, thanks to them. Does anyone think they don't know that?
"Something just bothers me that Kate feels the need for a bodyguard going to the grocery store yet has no problem letting her kids go off with just her ex-husband?"
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Kate has a bodyguard for Kate...to protect her from zealous fans, not from anti-fans. If you can believe the reason stated in a recently released book, her primary bodyguard was initially hired was because of a fan (or fans) who followed her to book-signings, speaking engagements, etc., copying her hairstyle, setting up blogs displaying photos of the children, etc.
Of course, all of that is rumor, but it makes total sense when one looks at other celebrities who have been stalked and ultimately harmed. It's not the haters that are the perps...it's those who are totally obsessed with the celebrities and either want to emulate them, befriend them, or in their own delusional way, actually become them and live that lifestyle.
"Don't get your hopes up, he's not that clever nor is he apparently, willing to fight for what's in the best interest of his kids."
After this hits the internet, and hopefully is distributed to some key people, I wouldn't count it out. Not just yet.
This Chris guy doesn't have to necessarily camp out on that public road....as it seems to me that there is info all over the net about what the visitation schedule is, which parent they are with at any particular time, etc.
It is most likely, IMO, that this Chris knows when Jon's visitation period is over and that he has to deliver them to Kate......so......he went over specifically to film them. NOT because Jon notified them.
There is no way this was faked or acting. There was nothing much that Jon could do as he was forced to not go beyond the public road....and BTW, vindictive ex's OFTEN make these kinds of demands and get them...so he may have no choice. And attacking the photographer would have been a terrible decision. Jon looked upset and stressed and finally had to force himself to sternly almost yell at them to STOP...which I'm sure he hated to do....but the stress just got to him.
And as I've already said several times....I find Jon to be at fault for a whole lot of things....but I still have a better opinion of him than most and am hoping he is working on doing what is best for the children. This custody dispute has not been settled yet, apparently. I'm not totally giving up on him yet.
AND...WHY is Kate not there to meet them if she knows how upset they get during the transfers???
I have been a bit MIA for a bit, as I got myself tied-up reading all sorts of info on the woman on RHONJ who spends like she's a billionaire on the show but is in bankruptcy and owes 11 million dollars to creditors....Theresa Giudice is her name.
The reason I even mention it is that when I was reading the blogs that were discussing this Giudice bankruptcy situation.....there were A LOT of people expressing anger and dislike about the children of these women being filmed and what they have to witness during the filmings (there have been some major SCENES they shouldn't have seen). And it seemed quite clear to me....after reading the comments on multiple blogs....that there are a whole LOT of people who are getting upset about filming children on these reality shows.....even talking about boycotting BRAVO if it continues.
So this whole issue of child exploitation on reality TV is apparently expanding beyond just the Gosselin situation. And the more against it, the better, IMO.
Hi Nancy B,
I think all of those episode tomorrow night are repeats. Our remote has an original airdate and the newest one was 8-4-10. So, that might be why TLC is not promoting these episodes as much.
Marie, I sent the video in an e-mail to Joy Behar. We'll see.
Trucker said...He did do something terrible! He put them back out there, in the public eye, allowed them to be further televised and the continued press.
That's NOT why Jon isn't allowed on the property!
The comment to which you are responding concerned the children, and why they would wonder what their father did that was so bad that he isn't allowed to drop them off at their front door.
"Maybe, I should send it to Joy Behar."
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Did you all hear about that little boy who is still missing and it seems like all is pointing at the Step mother. That little boy was acting out when visiting his moms house and crying just like this for months before he vanished. The mother of course is so full of guilt for not doing anything about it when she should have. Something very wrong was going on at that time and yet the mother did nothing. Jon needs to man up and get them little ones some help from a child therapist. I have never seen children behave like this when another parent drops them off at home. He needs to wake up and realize this is not normal.
@ Diane, yes send it to Joy Behar. She can't stand this woman and neither can Whooppi..they have had her number for a long time.
You know what is funny about this? If something can be funny about six hysterical kids who don't want to go back to their mother. Kate made Jon drop the kids off at the end of the driveway. If she had just been an adult about this and allowed him to drop the kids off at the house, the new trees would have blocked the paps and we would have never seen this and certainly never heard it. At most a few still photos would have emerged of Cara hugging Jon but we would never have heard baby Alexis' SCREAMS for her daddy.
Kate tries to screw Jon by forcing him to drop the kids off like they are the mail, and only ends up making herself look like a crazy witch the kids are petrified to go back to. OOOHHH, sweet karma. This could very well be the straw, and it would be all Kate's fault. I knew when the house of cards finally fell it would be because of some screw up Kate did.
I wonder what Team Kate is doing right now trying to figure out how to spin this one.
I still don't think Jon staged this because I don't think he's smart enough, but I suppose on the remote chance he did, maybe he was doing this to get back at Kate for treating him like a doormat and forcing him to drop his own kids off at the gate. Fine Kate, if you won't let me bring my own kids up to the door, then I'll just be sure they are filmed to show how petrified they are to go back to you.
This really is getting to be like war of the roses.
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No, his hands were not tied. He could have driven down the street, called his ex-wife and worked it out so that he was either allowed to come up the driveway or they met elsewhere to transfer the kids. If she wouldn't cooperate, he could have called the police.
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Jon's other option is to call the cops? I think that would have made it even worse. They would have to wait around for the cops to get there, it would have scared the kids to see the cops coming up (a lot of poor kids think THEY are being arrested when cops show up in situations like this), and of course, that would be splashed all over the headlines and blamed directly on Jon. How dare he call the cops and make such a mountain out of a molehill the sheeple would say. The last time Kate called the cops when it wasn't her visitation time we raked her over the coals for it. But now it's okay for Jon to call the cops? I don't think so.
If he tried to drive them somewhere else all it would be doing is dragging out their misery and Chris would just follow him somewhere else. Chris can go anywhere public. Where else can he drive his van nearby that isn't public? Does he know a neighbor who could let him pull his famous kids into their driveway? Last we heard the neighbors are annoyed with them.
And for all we know he DID call Kate and asked her to exchange the kids differently. He was dialing on his cell phone as he rolled up his window. He could have very well been calling Kate to tell her the paps are here and the kids are hysterical can you please open the gate? For all we know Kate refused. We don't know he didn't try to do this a different way. Also, Kate could have gotten a COURT ORDER that he is to drop off the kids at the end of the driveway. If he tried to do it somewhere else he could be in contempt of court. I tell my clients if you have issues with court orders, I don't care what your excuse is you follow that court order anyway and let me get it back in front of the judge and we'll deal with it after. But don't decide to violate a court order on your own then call me after to complain--that doesn't work for me nor for a judge.
I think he made the best call he could in that moment not having a lot of time to think about it once Chris was suddenly in his face. There were many calls he could have made and this was just one call and he did the best he could. Of course it would be nice he pulled his kids out of the public eye period. Maybe he will do some soul searching this week. We hope.
"I wonder what Team Kate is doing right now trying to figure out how to spin this one."
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Probably trying to figure out how to have every copy of this video destroyed!
The only thing that bothers me about this video is I could only hear crying and wailing. I did not actually see a child with tears running down their face. I didn't hear any of them say I don't want to be with mommy. It's just a little fishy to me. I absolutely loathe Khate and her entire brand but something about this video doesn't seem right!
Anonymous before I worked in family law I would have been skeptical of their reactions too. When kids are sad they normally cry. Everyone has seen a kid who is upset. Few people have seen a kid this petrified. When kids are TERRIFIED they WAIL, just like this.
I have had the unfortunate luck too see children taken from their parent. Many times. This is how some kids react.....it is a primal reaction when they are horrified to leave them and be placed in an unknown and terrifying different situation.
Like I said when I first heard about this this morning I didn't think it was this bad. When I saw it and realized how similar it was to what I have seen as an attorney, I was subsequently horrified.
Send the video to gawker.com. huge site. It's a must read for those connected with the media.
If the kids are that petrified to go home than something is very,very wrong. If their not afraid of their mother, than someone better look into the hired help.I hope this doesn't get swept under the rug.Those kids need help!
Hi Diane, thanks for straightening me out :)
I can't stop laughing!!! I just read a comment by the Admin of that site who admitted that she gets most all the pictures that she posts on her blog from this site!!! I had noticed that several months ago. She didn't say that she gets the posts alot from here, but she absolutely does. I noticed that several months ago as well. That is hysterically funny!
From gawker? Cool.
Bringing truth serum to the masses one day at a time
The camera being there filming this is one issue, whether the kids don't want to go back to Kate or were coached or whatever is another issue, and the kids having issues and needing help is yet another issue.
It really doesn't matter whether it is Kate or Jon or the nanny or who did what or speculating what caused what. The fact is these kids are distraught and need help.
Oh my, I'm reminded of my own children's "exchanges." While I didn't want ex in my house, he picked them up in front, and they walked down the front stairs. (I had a restraining order.) Upon return, they ran up the stairs happily.
There's something rotten in Denmark here.
I watched this a second time. This is so sad and heartbreaking. The more I listen the more destain I have for Kate. I can not stand Kate. I remember before the divorce, at the end of a season of filming, Jon wanted to end the whole show. He wanted the kids out of it. I remember Kate not letting him get a word in edge wise and just shooting him down. Kate is the reason for all this mess. Jon has his problems, however he was a loving Dad. He helped Kate so much with the kids, house (etc) and she just treated him like a dog the whole time. This just breaks my heart.
I feel like crying for those kids. WHAT GOES ON IN THAT HOUSE!? It's not normal... Their reactions are really disturbing.
I hope/pray their alright.
I checked the listings for the Kate+8 episodes scheduled for Wednesday, August 4.
They are NEW episodes - "behind the scenes" which means additional footage has been made into new separate shows. One show is for the 6th birthday party and one is about the chickens.
TLC is trying to use as much of the footage as possible. More episodes = more $$$ from sponsors.
It might be good that the heartbreaking video showed up on INF on Tuesday. It might help people understand that ONLY IF they do not tune in, if they do not watch the show until it has been cancelled, it really is the only way
TO SAVE THE 8 DO NOT WATCH OR RECORD KATE PLUS 8
My. God. I am stunned and horrified by this video. Those screams were literally painful to listen to. That was not sad whining/I'm going to miss you Daddy cries, those were absolute screams of terror. Those kids were coming from their Daddy's one bedroom apartment to their palatial mansion many people feel (hello Bonnie Fuller) should be the catalyst to a perfect childhood. Apparently, the kids prefer the safe and secure feeling of being with their father over living in a mansion with Hate and the nannies. And Admin, you are right.... isn't it ironic that Kate's attempt to further punish and emasculate Jon with the end of the driveway bit has backfired big time.
I'm with Admin and IDModo. That video is seriously disturbing. Those kids need help and now. Their reactions are extreme for a simple drop off and very very upsetting. Something else is going on here, IMO. If you pray, say one for these 8 little souls.
So those are new episodes!! Gross.
I have a discussion thread for it set to post automatically tomorrow morning while I get some shut eye on the left coast.
@wayward..."Those kids were coming from their Daddy's one bedroom apartment to their palatial mansion many people feel (hello Bonnie Fuller) should be the catalyst to a perfect childhood."
Speaking of Ms. Fuller. Has anyone sent HER the video? After all, these kids are the lucky ones and she wants to be one of them. Didn't she say they will thank their mother one day for giving them opportunities that they've never had before? Do those opportunities include wailing when their father drops them off and they know they'll have to go home to hear where their next "opportunity" will take them?
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Perhaps included will be Kate in the mini-skirt screaming on the roof. Wasn't that shown in the previews, but not in the show? I didn't watch...just read comments that it was edited out.
I seriously wonder if Kate now is turning all the anger she has against Jon toward the kids. Remember, they ALL look like Jon, NOT her.
Normal childen would be happy to see their mother.
And if the kids are not "performing" for the cameras, what is the penalty.
Body guards and young girls should not be the primary childgivers.
It scares me to think what Kate could do to them when she finds out they acted like this.
Doesn't TLC work for Kate and the children? Why would Chris, a paid TLC representative, post a video that clearly makes Kate look bad as a mother. This video is pro-Jon. TLC is not pro- Jon.
Secondly, some have mentioned that Cara purposely turned her head toward the camera. This makes no sense to me. Surely Cara is not a camera hog; she has had her photo taken way more than she wants it taken. All through her life there are probably 1000's of photos of her. Remember she is the shy one in the family? Why would she purposely position herself for a mere shot?
This video stems from a custody issue. So why are some blasting Jon that he didn't do enough to keep the kids off of tv. At least Jon did try several times to stop the tv show and also he did try to adjust the custody schedule. And the media blasted him on all fronts for both efforts. We are not privy to the specifics.
All we know from this video is Jon pulled up to the gate, rang the bell, said goodbye to his kids, and drove away. We don't know if he called any photographers or not. But let's say he did, it wasn't the photographer that made the kids cry and wail.
i live in the uk .yesterday an episode of john and kate showed the one were the children did a camp out in the back yard with kate.having to listen to the mother shrieking come and get yer popcorn was ear splitting.what family hires a popcorn machine that size for 8 little children?
also the children told her the chicken was pink when they ate it.any caring person would have immediately binned that chicken.
as for the poor kids screaming for john to stay with them it was heartbreaking.
have these parents been to the parenting classes that the court ordered yet?
it is time for the filming to stop .
I didn't know about the two new Kate Plus 8 programs until certain people on this blog informed me. Why preach DON'T WATCH yet advertise by listing descriptions and times of the new shows. Doesn't make sense to me.
I saw a sheeple justify this was staged by suggestion if it weren't staged then why aren't the paps at every dropoff? Why this one?
Uhhhhhhhhh, doesn't that feed into the argument it wasn't staged much better? If it WASN'T staged of course the paps have never been at other drop offs, they've never been invited out before. This is the gate to their house exactly where Chris camps out all...the....time. All the house photos are from this very spot. He knew the kids were with Jon and guessed they would becoming home soon, he camped out until they did, and then started filming away.
We shall not speculate, but the sheeple are allowed to come up with silly speculations about this incident that make no sense at all. All day long.
While I despise Khate, do you think it was a feeding frenzy started by L, the screamer?
Staged? You could clearly see the anguish on one of the tup girl's face when Jon opened the door to go to the back of the van. It sounds like one of the boys was just beyond hysterics, with the other kids piping in. Jon even got frustrated and yelled at him to sit down. One of the most heartbreaking things I've ever seen. Kate has made the lives of these kids a living hell, Jon is the only loving parent they have. The hug Cara gave Jon spoke volumes too, she did not want to let go. Sick, sick , sick
I hope this video is seen by everyone. I would like to see Meredith Vieira, the view ladies,etc respond to this.
Kate is evil. Those kids are terrified.
This is genuine, nobody coached those kids. But I DO think that this scene happens EVYERYTIME Jon brings back the kids and I DO think he called the pap this time. (like Al's book said, he has a relationship with them) It's not Chris. I think this is was a way to show the world, America and maybe the courts just what those kids' lives are like. To show how he has to speak into an intercom and have the nanny meet him, and hand over HIS kids to her. That his ex has made these ridiculous rules that are affecting those innocent children in a VERY disturbing way. PLUS have you EVER seen Mady or Cara hug their mom that way???? I wonder what Kate/TLC are going to pump out now for damage control? Never mind the kids, how do we spin this to make Jon the villain once more?
I'm not sure the episodes tonight are new. It seems the episode at 8 is a repeat of Inside Kate's World then at 9 and 10 repeats of the Florida trip and Chicken coop.
Somebody has got to stand up for these kids because obviously it's not going to be their parents.
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Could someone send a link of this travesty to Sarah Palin on facebook? I'm not on facebook but maybe Sarah will think twice about the political ramifications of aligning herself with this hateful mother and pull the plug on their Alaska special. Maybe I am grasping at straws but this horrendous mistreatment of the children has gone far enough. Kate will continue to exploit them if possible. Look for her to have pics on ROL today of a front lawn picnic. They have got to be in damage control.
And Jon, grow a pair and get a lawyer. Your kids are being irreversibly damaged.
There is no question Jon told this pap beforehand how upset the kids get when he drops them off and how angry he is with Kate. The pap tells us scene by scene what is going to happen before it does, through his questions. "Are you bringing the kids back?" "Is it upsetting to have to bring the kids back to Kate's house?" "Is Kate coming down to meet us?" "Wow, the kids seem really upset to leave you". "I imagine you feel the same way".
If the pap was not aware of what would go down, he'd be slack-jawed and speechless when the kids started wailing "Daddy" over and over.
I also noted that Jon did not leave the van doors open for filming, he got in, he hugged each one and as he was shutting the door he was approached by Mady for a hug. When Jon left the van to hug Maddy the kids inside got even more hysterical as they thought he was leaving them at that point. It is Joel doing most of the hysterical wailing and it is to Joel that Jon says "Enough", not to be uncaring but rather to settle Joel before he got over the top hysterical. They have shown Joel carrying on like this in past episodes whenever Jon left the home.
It was Leah in the front that we could see, she did have tears rolling down her face. Jon also mentioned Lex, no doubt she was screaming like a banshee as she normally does.
Not sure what Jon is after but he clearly is making it public that this is now Kate's home, the kids are with a nanny, they are not happy, they prefer being with Jon. Point made Jon, now please do something about it and quit leaving your children hysterical wrecks.
Oh, and no doubt TLC is already on this, they will have ROL post video and pics of laughing smiling kids playing with new toys in the driveway with a smiling Kate looking on.
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"I wonder what Team Kate is doing right now trying to figure out how to spin this one."
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Good luck with THAT, TLC!
I agree, that video is very disturbing.
Some questions I have:
1) Why is Jon not allowed on the property? Does anyone know? Does this have to do with the rumor of him sneaking on the property and releasing the chickens?? Who knows? Regardless, it seems like the kids are dealing with the consequences of being dropped off at the gate like prison convicts. Surely, they could have come up with a better idea than this.
2) I am no fan of Kate, but it seems like after Jon could not hear her on the intercom, he made a call. I am wondering if perhaps the contents of the call were ugly, and overheard by the kids, which sent them in to hysteria. On the one hand, as I said above, they should NEVER be dropped off at a gate like that. We have no idea prior to this how many times this may have happened before when they were dropped off during other visitation when Jon was allowed on the property, but it is absolutely disgraceful that this was filmed, because Queen Kate thought it was a great idea to ban Jon from the property, even when it involves her kids! I am completely disgusted with these Kate's huge ego, and always doing what is best for her. But the phone call may have stirred the kids up.
We will never really know.
3)After being away for two plus weeks, I am wondering why the twins were not involved in the visitation. Was it something as simple as they had other plans/activities, or did Kate not want these two to talk to Jon about how miserable the trip was for the kids.
Regardless, this video illustrates how thoughtless and vile this situation has gotten. I feel terrible for those kids.
I strongly disagree that it is in the best interest of the children to not show this video. This would just allow them to continue to suffer in silence. The only way to blow the lid off this thing is to expose it for the nightmare that their lives has become. Really, Kate and TLC would like nothing more than this video to be swept under the rug while they come up with more propaganda for profit.
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And what happened to the shared custody arrangement where the kids stayed in the house and the parents rotated in and out? I thouht the house was for the kids, after all they payed for it. But wait, it is really not for the kids, it is for Kate! It is hers, all hers.
Chris works for himself. He sells his pics for the best price and doesn't care who looks good or bad in them. He knows this drama with Jon will bring a good price. He is an independent photographer working for himself and selling to the highest bidder.
I hope this video is shown over and over again till it gets someone's attention that can help put a stop to Kate being so vindictive. I hope Rep. Murth sees it also. No way could that video be staged. The children were genuinely upset and it couldn't be the first time either.
I am sure Kate's team in working overtime to try and counter this video. The fact that the kids bought everything Kate has now and they have to go through this is appalling. That house was earned by the kids, not Kate and like it or not Jon has an equal share in the children. For all we know, she was not even home at the time. I bet the twins had to "work" for the show (mommy & we) while the others were with Jon. As a mother, my heart breaks for all those kids and the biggest cause of all their heartbreak is Kate. While I do not give Jon a pass in this, it seems he let Kate run the show and marriage and himself for too long and he now needs to grow up and take control. Maybe he hopes this will open eyes as to what they are going through. I only hope the emotional damage for the kids is not too deep and they can cope with it as they grow and develop.
I've been quietly lurking for a while, but this...this is too much. I watched the video last night and actually had a nightmare about it. And if *I* had a nightmare, what are the children's dreams like?
Admin, did you save a copy? I don't know how, or I would.
Diane, when I pull up Lillian Glass's site, I don't see any comments under the Al Gore entry. I wonder what happened to your post?
That video is heart wrenching. I totally agree--let the talk shows that kiss up to Queen Kate as "Super-Mom Mother-of-the-Year" see it, please!
The video won't play for me. There is no play button or anything. Same with the INF site. Help!!
If I knew how to, I would send this video to every mainstream media outlet I could think of. Anyone in the know want to give me some tips?
How many times have those kids cried themselves to sleep, or were ordered to suck it up and be a man by their monstrous, sorry excuse for a mother. They are not 30, they are 6 year olds who have a very demanding job...
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I've wondered the same thing. How many times HAVE they cried themselves to sleep? And I said this on another thread, but how would Kate have dealt with all the crying kids, especially crying over the one person she hates so much in the world? She probably did tell them to "suck it up"...So sad...I really hope this video goes viral. For the sake of those kids. Maybe this could be the beginning of the end.
Someone should follow Chris around everyday with a camera.
maggie said...
I didn't know about the two new Kate Plus 8 programs until certain people on this blog informed me. Why preach DON'T WATCH yet advertise by listing descriptions and times of the new shows. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Maggie,
Yesterday afternoon, because I am a member of "4-8 Please boycott Kate plus 8 on TLC!" on Facebook, I got a message from Irene about the Kate + 8 shows on Wednesday.
I ASSUMED that they must be reruns since the new episodes are aired on Sunday nights but I doublechecked anyway. You better believe I was shocked to see that they are in fact NEW episodes.
So viewers could add to the ratings numbers without even realizing it and thereby keeping the kids working! Now more than ever, especially after the release of yesterday's video on infdaily.com, it is very important for people to JUST NOT TO WATCH AT ALL.
IT IS THE BEST WAY TO BE SURE YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM AND KEEPING THE KIDS WORKING!!!
Kate + 8 is tanking - it lost over a million viewers when the last new show aired. Obviously TLC/Discovery is trying to get interest in the show - it really is all about $$$. So if TLC sneaks in some new episodes mid week, and if people watch them assuming it is a rerun, TLC gets to show their sponsors the viewing numbers.
DON'T WATCH PEOPLE. SNARKING ON KATE IS NOT WORTH THE KIDS WORKING!!!
TO SAVE THE 8 DO NOT WATCH OR RECORD KATE PLUS 8!!!
JMO.
I watched this video and it was disturbing on so many levels. It is a sign that these kids are afraid to go home. They are not handling the divorce well at all. They are living their lives in such a whirlwind, that I truly believe these kids will never recover from this damage being done to them. Kate made a huge mistake pursuing this divorce. She wanted what she wanted, and she knew staying married to Jon, he would interfere with her agenda. I am not a Jon fan, but not many women would divorce a man like that, especially one that was more than willing to raise eight kids after she tricked him into it.He was not perfect, but dang he was helpful, and a good dad and I believe he loved Kate at some point, but she shunned him for money and fame. He wanted to work it out, and his kids adore him. Did she even think for once how this rushed/makes no sense divorce, would affect the kids?? Those kids were afraid in that video and something is not right in that household. Why would any kid be so upset to go home to mommy, unless she was mistreating them? I can see some sadness leaving daddy, but these kids were distraught. I pray that someone takes notice. If I could, I would send this video to CPS in Penn. If they question the kids I bet that show would be stopped ASAP. So sad for the kids, to have everything, but really nothing.
Mickey please stop lecturing all of us not to watch. You have made your plea repeatedly and stated your position. We have heard you. There is no need to keep doing this OR advertising new episodes for Kate Plus 8. We are all adults and will make our own choices. Also, another blogger posted this exact message to you a few days ago. Thank you.
NT said...
The video won't play for me. There is no play button or anything. Same with the INF site. Help!!
NT,
If you have dialup when you log onto the Internet then it is possible that you may not have a play button. Sometimes this happens, but not all the time.
Hi Virginia Pen Mom,
I just went to Dr. Glass site and the video and my comment are still there. Did you try the body language blog.
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/
OMG Nancy B,
They are new! Today is 8-4-10. I swear I am losing it. Please forgive my error.
kidsRablessing said...
If I could, I would send this video to CPS in Penn. If they question the kids I bet that show would be stopped ASAP. So sad for the kids, to have everything, but really nothing.
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Really, people, CPS could care less. CPS doesn't prosecute emotional abuse cases - it's a miracle if they manage to close PHYSICAL abuse cases.
The ONLY person who can use this video to save those children is THEIR FATHER! He's the one who could take it to court, demand that the children be evaluated by psychologists - AWAY FROM THEIR HOME AND THEIR MOTHER - and CHANGE THE CUSTODY AGREEMENT.
But he's too weak to do that. For all that he appears to like his children, he likes his lazy life more, and he's not going to lift a finger to change the status quo. He hasn't got the maturity and he hasn't got the strength.
Those poor kids. One parent who can't stand them, a staff of nannies to raise them, and a pathetic excuse of a father who knows better but has no character.
I doubt we'll be seeing any 'phony Kate playing with kids in front yard damage control' photos. She's probably lamenting the tree plantings right about now, wouldn't you say? However, should we see pics taken in front of the bank of trees or in the driveway, well how obvious would those be? I guess she could always invite Chris inside the iron bars, spank him for yesterday and command him to shoot the play acting.
Evil bitch.
THEY YANKED THE VIDEO--AS WE KNEW THEY WOULD! Gone from here, gone from INF...
It's still working for me.
Still working for me too. Admin - can you copy it to DVD??
I am saving it right now just in case. When I have time as it's a real busy week (and weekend for me) I'll host it here, don't worry. Three birthdays in one weekend and my favorite band in town is how it goes!
It would be interesting to see a side by side scenario of kate leaving the children vs jon. remember when she was gone for weeks during DWTS then turned around and headed to NYC? the children just stood there as she flippedly (sp?) waved goodbye to them. i don't remember the post, but it's astounding how the children reacted in each of these situations.
I think Jon was banished from the property because of Ellen. The last pix I saw of Jon dropping the kids off on the property, was around the same time that Ellen met the kids and they both picked them up from school and she was with Jon when they dropped them off at the house. Right after that, is when I first heard that jon had to meet them at the gate. Now, I cannot stand Kate NOR Jon, however; Jon should have NEVER let Ellen meet those children after only knowing this girl for about a month at that time. Remember he was SO in "love" with Hailey, after only a few short months? He should have waited to introduce the kids to her. Jon has had the babysitter in the hot tub (supposedly) and had her in his apartment over the garage. (pap pix) He even had Diane Hummell sunbathing on the property. (pap pix) This is just totally disrespectful to his kids and Kate. I do not think Kate is angry about the women because if might upset her kids, I think it is all about her and her pride, (like normal mothers would be) But it is wrong of Jon to bring this latest girl to the house, only knowing her for such a short period.
Ellen wrote a blog entry on a site, (forgot which one now) where she hinted that the kids told things that were said and done and that people shouldn't take sides until the "truth" is known. That makes me wonder if Kate is not allowing the twins to go to Jon's because of something that was said?? I dunno. Maybe the twins don't like sleeping on the floor with all their siblings. Who knows on that one. But the driveway thing, IMO, has everything to do with Ellen.
"THEY YANKED THE VIDEO--AS WE KNEW THEY WOULD! Gone from here, gone from INF..."
They yanked it from INF? I just went there, and it's there and it works for me.
The video is there on INF ...How did Kate react to it? Poor kids.
I have not seen the video but have read the descriptions here and this is my theory:
Usually before any new shows the publicity is ramped up and we see pics of Kate, of Kate and the 8, or of Jon. I think that the photog was hoping to get some pics to post online just before the new shows. Knowing that Jon had the kids and was due to return them to the orphanage, I believe he was waiting for their return with the hopes of getting some new pics to post. I don't think he expected the type of hand-over, the sheer emotion of the tups saying good-bye to their father and the whole drama that ensued.
However he still got that video and posted it and got his thirty pieces of silver.
Nobody wins here. Kate is shown to be a BAD MOM, Jon is vilified for inciting the tups' behavior and the kids are traumatized.
Shame on you TLC. Are you satisfied yet? Have you finished wringing every drop of blood out of this family all for entertainment and your bottom line?
Mickey McKean: Bravo to you for your tenacity and please keep your "thingy" at the end of your posts. I support you 100%.
I started the discussion on TLC's facebook page. The more people that see that video, the more will realize how terrible this show is for the kids.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/posted.php?id=33660480677&share_id=140233416006968&comments=1&ref=notif¬if_t=like#s140233416006968
You may have to sign in to see the comments.
NT: Try clicking on the arrow in the middle of the video, just over the car seat.
I thought they were required to take parenting classes.
Hmmmm... Why does Kate going to the tanning salon and Target get coverage in all the glossies, but 6 screaming hysterical kids who DO NOT want to leave their Dad and go home..... {{{{sound of crickets}}}}
The lengths that TLC will go to to muzzle the cries of those children is horrifying.
Virginia Pen Mom,
The post on Lillian Glass' site is still there under the Al Gore story. Wonder why you are not seeing it there or on INF?
NT,
I see a play button on INF site.
Watch Leah's leg kicking in the front seat (about 3/4 of the way through to the end). That's agitation, wanting to get out of that seat and go with Jon. This is a response, a reflex, not staged by any means. The look on her face is not one that can be faked. These are not child actors who have taken professional acting classes.
I find it hard to believe that even the most clueless sheeple can't see that this isn't staged. You know, perhaps they really can see the seriousness of the situation, but they have become so hardened, so steadfast in their support of Kate, that it's gotten to the point where absolutely nothing is going to change their minds, and that's sad, so very sad. I wonder what it's going to take for that to happen. Something is going to go down soon in this whole fiasco, and I'm afraid that it's not going to be pretty.
I don't believe the kids are crying because they're afraid to go home due to abuse. But I do believe they could be sad and tense in their everyday surroundings. As a parent, if my kids were that sad, my heart would be broken into a million little pieces and I would do whatever was required to help remedy the problem. Jon needs to make much more time for the kids. If that means fighting Kate for it, so be it. If that means curtailing their filming schedule to free up time, so be it. If that means discontinuing filming after this season, so be it. No amount of monetary possessions would provoke me to continue a circus as is the Gosselins. I would give up the house, cars, traveling, spas, etc. in a millisecond for the well-being of my kids.
The sheeple are claiming that the kids are upset to be leaving their dad, nothing more. They are choosing to ignore the FACT that the kids don't merely sound upset, they sound terror stricken.
I know many (myself included) are wondering why the media hasn't picked up on this yet. Could it have anything to do with INF's statement that they have the exclusive rights to the pics and video? I have no idea how the industry works, so if someone could enlighen me, it would be much appreciated.
Virginia Pen Mom said...
"THEY YANKED THE VIDEO--AS WE KNEW THEY WOULD! Gone from here, gone from INF..."
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Blue Horizon said...
They yanked it from INF? I just went there, and it's there and it works for me.
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There was a big black box (not clickable) on INF this morning in the spot where the video had been. (I was there yesterday and the video was there.) Admin's site, apparently linked to INF, also had the same black box, as did Jibberjabbers' site. But the INF video is back and so are the ones linked to it. Looks like the video only "vanished" for about 10 minutes.
Kate needs to love her children more than she hates their father. Clearly if she won't allow a front door drop off, she's not at that point yet and needs counseling to get there ASAP for the sake of the children.
All I have on my screen in place of the video is a white space. There are only pics. All the videos on INF are the same on my computer. Also on the 15 min site. Wonder why that is? I reaaly want to see this video.
ITA Cab Guy. Love your children more than you hate your ex-spouse - something Kate and Jon need to put into practice ASAP.
Video is on Dr. Lillian Glass site !! 3rd reply under Al Gore thread.
"But the INF video is back and so are the ones linked to it. Looks like the video only "vanished" for about 10 minutes."
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This gets curiouser and curiouser! LOL!! Why remove it, only to put it back on again? Pressure from TLC? Hmmmm....
I'm not near a TV today but has anybody seen if the mainstream media has picked up on this video yet?
Will this be swept under the rug like denying a kid water, spanking for blowing a whistle or dragging kids all over NYC in 100 degree weather?
I'm so tired of this. Thank you, Admin. for keeping us up-to-date without making us feel as if we are contributing. You do a great job.
Did anyone get the idea that for the twins this was totally expected and par for the course. Seemed like they thought this was expected and ordinary.
I am not a Jon fan, but not many women would divorce a man like that, especially one that was more than willing to raise eight kids after she tricked him into it.He was not perfect, but dang he was helpful, and a good dad and I believe he loved Kate at some point, but she shunned him for money and fame. He wanted to work it out, and his kids adore him.
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I totally agree. I remember one show, maybe season 3 or 4, at a point where Kate began mugging to the camera and crew. Kate went on and on and on about how great it would be to switch places with Jon one day.
Jon had gotten up early with the kids, dressed them, fed them breakfast, cleaned up after breakfast, watched them all morning and at lunchtime, he gathered them and got them ready in their highchairs.
Kate doled out cheese and fruit onto paper plates and while Jon idled in neutral (probably for the first time all damn day) and leaned against the counter (while watching over the kids), Kate laid into him. She yucked it up with the crew about how great it would be to be Jon and do nothing.
So not funny.
Jon, at least, did not take her shit lying down. He protested and rattled off his busy day up to that point, but she still kept on her rant, mugging to the crew.
Any sane woman would have been jolted into reality and said "I'm sorry, Jon, you're right. You are a great father and help in so many ways. I should get down on my knees and thank God that I have a husband that helps me, where many wives and moms would give their eye teeth to have their spouse help with one child, let alone eight".
But did she do that? Of course not. What an ingrate. A bottomless pit.
cathy518 said... And Jon, grow a pair and get a lawyer. Your kids are being irreversibly damaged.
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http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/27/jon-and-kate-gosselin-still-in-custody-battle/
CNN Entertaiment
July 27th, 2010
11:19 AM ET
Jon and Kate Gosselin still in custody battle
While some have said that Jon and Kate have reached some sort of highly confidential agreement, Jon Gosselin’s attorney, Mary Vidas, tells CNN that a settlement in the custody battle has yet to be reached.
Has the reason been made public as to why she won't allow him on the property? What happened to "sharing" the house because it would be a much better arrangement for the kids? I remember when it was announced, I knew it wasn't going to last long because there was no way she was going to get out of the house that was "mine, all mine" even if it was only for a few days.
So...why is he banned? More importantly, can he legally be banned, depending upon whose name is on the mortgage...or does the trust control who owns the property and who has the final say?
I am not sure Dr Glass will get your video on that blog but I did find where you could email her on her web site.
http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/contact/
Can you imagine the media play this would get if the children were cying like this when they were picked up by Jon because they didn't want to leave Kate?
We have heard the rumors about how nasty and demanding Kate is. We now have heard it LOUD AND CLEAR from the kids themselves.
What more does it take for TLC to kick this witch to the curb. Unfortunately, that may not help the kids much other than to stop the filming.
Sadly the effect of this video is only going to increase the interest in this evil woman. It is certainly a no-win situation for the kids.
Tucker's Mom,
I remember that show you're talking about.She emasculated Jon right before our very eyes. Such a bit@h.There's so many shows like that it's hard to keep track of them all.If she was like that in front of the camera's what was she like when the camera crew went home.Now,the kids have to live alone with her wrath.
Anon.@1:25- Thank you. I e-mailed it. I sent it to Regis and Kelly and TMZ, too.
wow...that's very disturbing !!! Those kids clearly do not want to go back to their mother. I hope that bitch Kate watches this video !!!!!
The below comment was posted on a sheeple site. People like this scare me!
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Sheryl said...
Nothing but a stinking bastard!!! Well, hopefully, this wont happen again--Kate can arrange for Jon to meet her at the local police station, and then pick up her car the next day, she could even rent a car, and have it picked up at the police station. Two can play this game you stinkin' monster--Jon, there's a special place in Hell for people like you!!!
"The last pix I saw of Jon dropping the kids off on the property, was around the same time that Ellen met the kids and they both picked them up from school and she was with Jon when they dropped them off at the house."
No pictures were ever taken of Jon and Ellen picking them up at school. It's private property that is off-limits to paps.
I'm not sure why she would ban Jon because he introduced the kids to Ellen. She's not with him when he takes the kids home. It could, however, be sour grapes...just punishing Jon. However, I think it's something more than that...something to do with the custody issues.
HOW TO POST A LINK TO THIS (OR ANY) VIDEO (OR SITE):
Highlight the name of the site address that you want to copy, when it's highlighted, right click the mouse then click "COPY". NOW to to WHEREVER YOU WANT TO POST THE LINK, put your click your cursor in the email (or post, or whatever)and right click the mouse AGAIN and click "PASTE". DONE! (This works for text or anything else you want to copy and paste)
Kate banned Jon from picking up the kids at the house, because he brought Ellen with him that being a bitch and trying to get a dig in at Jon. Of course never considering what it would be like for THEIR children!
(The previous directions had a couple of errors, it may have confused some folks - here's the corrected post)
HOW TO POST A LINK FOR THIS (OR ANY) VIDEO to ANOTHER SITE: (THIS ALSO WORKS IF YOU WANT TO JUST COPY AND PASTE AN ADDRESS IN YOUR BROWSER)
Highlight the name of the site address that you want to copy...when it's highlighted, right click the mouse then click "COPY". NOW GO to WHEREVER YOU WANT TO POST THE LINK, put your cursor in the email (or post, or whatever) and right click the mouse AGAIN and click "PASTE". DONE! (This works for text or anything else you want to copy and paste)
"Kate can arrange for Jon to meet her at the local police station, and then pick up her car the next day, she could even rent a car, and have it picked up at the police station. Two can play this game you stinkin' monster--Jon, there's a special place in Hell for people like you!!!"
Um...and how would this alleviate the kids' wailing and sobbing about having to go home? If they met at a police station, would that mean that they would be afraid to cry? How would this prevent paps from getting a video?
Is there no intelligence level at all among sheeple? I find it hard to believe that ALL of them are this stupid.
PA Mom ALSO said...
"The last pix I saw of Jon dropping the kids off on the property, was around the same time that Ellen met the kids and they both picked them up from school and she was with Jon when they dropped them off at the house."
No pictures were ever taken of Jon and Ellen picking them up at school. It's private property that is off-limits to paps.
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The person didn't say *at* school, s/he said *from* school. Picking the kids up at the bus stop is picking them up from school.
"The person didn't say *at* school, s/he said *from* school. Picking the kids up at the bus stop is picking them up from school."
Probably in your neck of the woods. When we say that we picked our kids up FROM school, it's understood that's exactly what we did...we picked them up there. Lingo here in the rural county tends to be somewhat strange sometimes. In fact, some of Kate's Kate-isms, while humorous to those who didn't grow up where she did, are understood by many of us who know exactly what she means. It wasn't nit-picking. I knew that no pictures were taken at school, and was simply pointing out that fact. My mistake.
Many apologies for the error. The poster did indeed say FROM school.
Man, those folks at INFdaily are friggin' nuts! They sound like the same crazies who are on radaronline day and night when there's a Gosselin story posted there. Yikes. But.........deep breath..........I have to agree with what one said. Jon needs to stop tweeting about having the kids. If he hadn't done that, Chris wouldn't have been trailing him to get the money shot(s). That travesty of a handover probably would have still happened, but it wouldn't have been videotaped for all the world to see. But then again, if it gets the kids some help or the attention of someone who can and will finally protect them, it might be a blessing in disguise.
My question is where is the outcry? What a lousy double standard.
If Kate were dropping the kids off at Jon's for a visit and they became hysterical and fearful like this Jon would be accused of being an abusive, deadbeat father.
We hear NOTHING from US magazine, Star, ET, Access, Nancy Grace, Extra and The View. If Jon was perceived to be the abuser he would be crucified in the press.
Why do so many people protect Kate? What is she holding over Jon's head that makes him so fearful of going back into PA family court and reporting this behavior. It just stinks to me.
"What is she holding over Jon's head that makes him so fearful of going back into PA family court and reporting this behavior. It just stinks to me."
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The custody issue isn't settled yet. Give him some time. I do believe something is going to come out of this.
This is Jon we are talking about Julianna.
He is scared of Kate and TLC so I would be extremely surprised if something good came out of this.
If the family court in Berks (or Montgomery) County is anything like my PA county court, as long as the mother isn't an ax murderer she gets at least 50/50 custody and most of the time primary custody. I know of a family who just had a hearing. If you looked at an attribute list of the mother & father with nothing to indicate which was the mother or the father, Dad should have won primary custody with Mom having supervised visitation AT BEST. She was awarded 50/50. She refuses to work, so Dad has to pay child support. And she has already said she's going for full custody next year & the court has given indication that she may win (even after a child died while in her care). When the child is with Dad, the child gets to participate in school activities, gets good grades, gets to travel. When with Mom - nothing. She can't drive. Activities are unnecessary. Who needs school? You can collect welfare.
So unless Kate does something prison-worthy, Jon will probably not do better than what he has in PA - and then he would only get primary custody while she was in prison.
I emailed Perez Hilton about this, and he actually emailed me back within seconds. His response was:
"I can't use INF.
Bummer."
Anyone know why he wouldn't be able to use INF? Competition?
Lorrie said...
I emailed Perez Hilton about this, and he actually emailed me back within seconds. His response was:
"I can't use INF.
Bummer."
Anyone know why he wouldn't be able to use INF? Competition?
Can you email him back and ask why?
Perez can't use INF because there are licensing issues, contractual agreements, or copyright issues that prevent him from doing so.
Hi Sally,
I did, but got no response. Thank you, Lee, for the explaination!
Hi Sally,
I did, but got no response. Thank you, Lee, for the explaination!
Perez is a piece of crap. Did anybody see his exchange with Jon the other day?
Jon: Upset that Paps were there when i dropped kids off, wish my goodbyes could be kept off camera!!
Perez: At least you're not on TV anymore! The public's wish granted! xoxo
Jon: yep you're right, i'm not! :) the only attention I still get is from people like you writing about me. so maybe u should stop
Perez: 1 I practically have already! You're like #OctoMom! xoxo
Jon: Cool, well, good deal then!
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I emailed Perez about the time the bar photos came out. I told him about the fake wedding, exploiting kids and that Jon and Kate were faking it for the show.
He ignored my "tips" for months and months.
Then he jumped on the bandwagon with the other tabloids and started kissing Kate's ass.
I stopped going to his site about that time.
Lauren said: My question is where is the outcry? What a lousy double standard.
If Kate were dropping the kids off at Jon's for a visit and they became hysterical and fearful like this Jon would be accused of being an abusive, deadbeat father.
We hear NOTHING from US magazine, Star, ET, Access, Nancy Grace, Extra and The View. If Jon was perceived to be the abuser he would be crucified in the press.
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I am trying to convince myself that the mainstream media is trying to be sensitive to the children. So.... I would hope that if the kids were screaming and wailing as they were being dropped off for a visit with Jon, the same hands-off approach would be used if the exchange was caught on tape. I really hope this is not just another case of Kate getting her usual TLC financed free pass.
This video is the best evidence so far that there is something very wrong with these children being the breadwinners of their family and not having any impartial advocate to intervene on their behalf. When Rep. Murt introduced his bill to protect PA child performers, what did TLC do IMMEDIATELY? They hired a lobbyist to advocate for *their* rights and interests, to argue against the KIDS getting an advocate for their rights and interests. That is seriously f'd up! And from the tone of Aunt Jodi's sister's blog, it sounds like Jodi and Kevin were the ones to step up and speak for the kids when they were working (yes WORKING) long hours. Kate may not have wanted Jodi and Kevin to be paid, but IMHO she knew letting TLC have as much access the kids as they wanted meant more shows which = more $$$$$. That combined with the fact that the tups were starting to speak legibly meant Aunt Jodi and Kevin had to go. To be replaced with "helpers" and "not a nannies" who signed confidentiality agreements and whose paychecks were contingent on the show staying on the air.
The only thing we can hope is that there is a flurry of activity going on behind the scenes. At this point, I don't care if Jon staged this, he's pretty much let himself be bound and gagged by TLC. If this is the only way he could call attention to the plight of his children, so be it. Supposedly the custody agreement is still being hashed out, he may have done this as a bargaining chip. Perhaps Kate was trying to reduce Jon's visitation further by claiming the kids don't want to be with him? It makes me sick to think that the kids might need some counseling to deal with what has happened over the last year, but they may not be getting it because of the fear of them speaking out against the family's sole source of income- the show.
Hi Sally,
I emailed him back, but got no response. Lee, thanks for the explaination!
I find it quite interesting that the Sheeple sites are saying that Jon must have tipped Chris off so that Chris knew to be there and that Chris is Jon's pap. Interesting that they don't say that about Kate when Chris knows where to find her.
"I find it quite interesting that the Sheeple sites are saying that Jon must have tipped Chris off so that Chris knew to be there and that Chris is Jon's pap. Interesting that they don't say that about Kate when Chris knows where to find her."
Chris is nobody's "pap." Chris is out for Chris. He knows where his bread is buttered, whether it be finding Jon, or tracking down Kate. That's his business -- selling to those who will pay for his product.
"Mickey please stop lecturing all of us not to watch. You have made your plea repeatedly and stated your position. We have heard you. There is no need to keep doing this OR advertising new episodes for Kate Plus 8. We are all adults and will make our own choices."
If we're all adults, then we likewise have the choice not to read Mickey's plea not to watch. If it bothers posters, then just ignore it. I do believe, according to the rules for posting here, she has the right to post it, unlike another blog where posts telling people not to watch are deleted.
Kate is an unfit mother for putting her children through that. The kids have been away for a few days and she can't get off her fat butt to great them when they get home and she needs nanny on duty as soon as they get home. We've never seen those children hug their mother once like they show love for their father.
Laurie said... The below comment was posted on a sheeple site. People like this scare me!
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Sheryl said...
Nothing but a stinking bastard!!! Well, hopefully, this wont happen again--Kate can arrange for Jon to meet her at the local police station, and then pick up her car the next day, she could even rent a car, and have it picked up at the police station. Two can play this game you stinkin' monster--Jon, there's a special place in Hell for people like you!!!
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wow, Laurie, thanks for posting that! Sure, because if Kate rents a car, goes to the police station, goes back the next day for her car, blah blah blah, THAT CERTAINLY would soothe the children from being terrified of returning to their own home! Then they would yell that Jon is too lazy to drive the kids home himself.
What the sheeple are most concerned about is that they never want this kind of irrefutable soil on their Katie again. No matter about the kids, just dont let any SEE this again. It is too inconvenient for their hero worship to have this film out there. They dont really care about the kids' emotions, just Katie's reputation and their own fantasies.
"we are in a zone over here; dont disturb us with reality."
Z (Baltimore Sun) reports that Paul Petersen has been in meetings in PA conecrning the child labor laws. There is an update today from Paul:
"“We definitely have gotten the industry’s attention," said Petersen. "They do not want this bill passed because they want as few restrictions as possible, even if it threatens the health and well-being of children.
“That’s why I’m so pleased that the House Labor Committee has agreed to bipartisan hearings on Murt’s bill. These are commonsense reforms that should be embraced by all legislators regardless of party affiliation.”
Petersen described his presenec in Pennsylvania by saying: “I’m here to help Tom explain the importance of reforming Pennsylvania’s antiquated child labor laws and to send the message that we intend to continue this fight until Pennsylvania recognizes that children in reality TV are actors, are working, and deserve protection from producers and parents who have shown that they will manipulate and exploit kids for the right price.”
I have been going through some old episodes to gather more flashback clips of exploitation.
It is astonishing how different this show was in the beginning. I haven't seen these since they first aired. It actually was about how one family was raising a crop of kids all the same age. The early episodes are so full of how Jon and Kate do it, like how they kept a plastic chest full of clothes and diapers under a seat in the van for emergencies, and things like that. They would spend entire episodes talking about things like that.
A lot of people have said Kate's face looks really different today. I noticed she had a red tinge like a sunburn, her skin was blotchy in places, and her face was maybe thicker. For one she could be using a lot higher quality foundation now, something like Laura Mercier maybe and ditching the covergirl.
And the family was having so much fun at Jon's 30th birthday with Beth, Jodi, Kevin, and Talia. Four people Kate has now cut out of their lives.
Has Kate gone into hiding from the humiliation of this video? What will she do if she can't show her face in public, how will she get her manicures and pedicures?
She and Team TLC may still be in the bunker trying to figure out how they can spin this against Jon somehow.
Kate dosent have enough sense to be embarrassed. She gets away with ANYTHING she does, so why shouldnt she feel entitled. TLC kisses her butt, and they are both coming off as fools. But they dont care, because its all about the money.
She can outright beat those kids and air it, and NOTHING would be done about this.
She is truly sickening.
These kids did NOT want to be home with Kate. They know what they are in for (yelling, getting hit, or whatever means for them to act on her commands)
Jon looks truly upset having to leave them and was frustrated. He cant fight TLC.
Those kids will kick Kates butt in a few years.
@Admin...And the family was having so much fun at Jon's 30th birthday with Beth, Jodi, Kevin, and Talia. Four people Kate has now cut out of their lives.
I'm not so sure that Kate cut all of them out of their lives. Last I heard, the twins were still friends with Talia. Maybe that's all changed now...
I have looked carefully at her pictures and think she had her nose made a bit narrower. Could she be the next Michael Jackson? LOL
Why doesn't someone send this video to Jon's current lawyer?
"Why doesn't someone send this video to Jon's current lawyer?"
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I would believe that his attorney would have seen this within minutes of its release, especially with the custody issue not having been settled!
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