Anyone with small children knows that children can be gross--spit up, throw up, snot, pee, and of course poo, come with the territory. You clean it up and move on, it's no big deal.
But Jon and Kate freely allowed all these moments to be filmed up close by TLC's camera crew and broadcast to millions. When Alexis is a teenager, it will be embarrassing enough to have Mom tell people about the time she pooped herself. But unfortunately this incident is preserved on film to embarrass her forever. Why is it funny and cute to show a child's BM, but not an adult's? Would Kate want us staring at her BMs? Children's private moments deserve the same respect as an adult's. For those who say she was just a toddler, at what age is the cutoff for a child to be bestowed a right to her privacy? Three, four? Fourteen?
And think about this. A child who is brought up without any boundaries is a child who could grow up to have a great deal of difficulty respecting or even comprehending other people's boundaries in adulthood.
This is but one example of the Gosselin children's private bodily functions being displayed in all their glory and documented permanently. By the way, the slow motion when Kate shows Alexis to the camera was inserted by TLC editors, not us.
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Good one Admin, now the sheeple have to defend how a mother with 8 children can honestly tell the camera this is the first overflowing poopy diaper she has ever encountered in her lifetime. Exagerate much, Kate? Or are you confirming what others have said about volunteers and nannies raising your children while you locked yourself in your room and played on your laptop? Nice of her to state for the record she did not bathe her children, Jon did.
Kate the Super Mom:
'We should have saved this for daddy'.
'I'm not the bath giver, daddy is.'
She does it all, doesn't she?
Didn't Kate work in pediatrics when she was nursing? This was the FIRST time she had ever had to clean poop off a baby? I was struck by her disgust, and disappointment at not being able to pawn the job off on Jon.
Every mother I know has had this job to do. We have all done it with a minimum of fuss, and not yelled "emergency!" Even in those days she was incapable of actual child care without making a drama out of it.
As for its future implications for Alexis: she and the camera crew had no right to film and disparage a little baby's natural functions. It's unconscionable that this was recorded for posterity.
They probably thought it was "cute". Alexis took the blame, instead of being cuddled for her experience of sitting in a dirty diaper for who knows how long. This was all about Kate, not Alexis.
I hope the Gosselin children are able to see what has been done to them, and that they retain a good lawyer when they reach the age of majority.The writing was on the wall way back then.
Warped...
Bottom line, it was done just for ratings, at the expense of Kate's children.
You watch- when the Gosselin 8 are legally able, they are going to sue the stuffings' out of their parents & TLC.
Admin, the sheeple are desperate to block posters like myself who reject their claims that Kate's mother posts on their site and supports the kids being on tv. They read here for shits and giggles and have a new post up this morning, which I am blocked from replying. At first they said they didn't care whether I believed or not, but then they deleted my posts, blocked me, and ran over to the second site I was on to have someone confirm that Kate's mother does post, then the second site blocked me.
It reminds me of how the Bush Administration tried to deal with opponents to the war -if you opposed this war you were against the troops. The sheeple wrap themselves up in the flag and religion. They claim Kate is a devout Christian, as are her parents, and if you don't believe, you must be mocking religion. I had illustrated how they use religion to con people into thinking Kate's mom posts there.
We know that everyone around Kate and the kids have to sign non disclosure forms and that has kept a lid on what is really going on. Still, leaks are getting in and I hope this site attracts insiders and makes them feel safe enough to spill the beans. At the end of the day, there are 8 children who can't refuse to perform on tv, and who are not being protected by their parents.
She says, "I'm not a bath giver, daddy's the bath giver." That pretty much sums it up. She's no mom. She never bathed her toddlers?? Wow. Did she ever do anything? I know she napped them for hours a day. Didn't she check on them ever? Wow, just wow. Poor Alexis.
Hmmm...really odd for a nurse to have such a freak out over poop. And, to me it didn't even seem that bad. All babies have poopy diaper blowouts, it's a given. You just grab a box of wipes, clean it up and plop them in the bathtub. Done.
Also, how does a mom of 8 get away with never having to bathe her children? My husband and I are a team...we divide and conquer to get the job done. There's never been this "daddy is the bath giver" crap. This just reiterates that she really is not a very maternal woman...just b/c you can give birth to 8 children doesn't mean you know how to mother them. It's sad.
I hope these children do not run into a pediphile as they have no idea their bodies should be private.
Hard to believe that is the same woman. Same awful voice, but everything else is different. What struck me was she had no fake nails.
Oh, Dear God, that is unforgivable. I can't believe a mother - and a nurse at that - would make such a performance out of a baby's bodily function. I had not seen any of the first few years "shows" so this is all new to me. To think that these young children have had their privacy invaded in the interest of entertainment is obscene.
Baby's have diaper blowouts. You walk in when they are up from their naps, see the horror that is a poop filled crib (I've dealt with poop painters...not fun), your jaw hits the floor, then......you shift into "mommy mode" and get the job done (cleaning it up). Funny, I never had a camera there when it happened but I can guarantee that putting on a dramatic show would have been the LAST thing on my mind.
She's not a mom, she just plays one on tv.
Why are we surprised? I mean really? Is this not the same woman who has for 4-5 years dressed her children downstairs IN FRONT of the camera crew and the world to see? The same children she made potty train IN FRONT of TLC and everybody else? She had them bathed no more or less in public so surely these children later in life will be teased, tormented by peers since their privacy is available on DVD, recorded shows and the internet.
Sharon here- when my kids were small, I never took any picture of them that would be embarrassing for them in the future. I also never filmed anything that would embarrass them- but then again- it wasn't all about me! And yeah, for being a nurse, these things should be no big deal- of course, she doesn't have a degree in nursing, just a certificate. She probably wanted to meet some rich doctor. Jon was close- as his dad was a dentist and I'm sure there was money there. I loathe this woman and her entire brand!
I remember watching this episode when I was a fan of the show.
Kate says "I've never had this happen to me."
Wow, she totally personalizes the diaper blowout.
It's not about her.
The way she shows the poop to the camera is like airing someone's dirty laundry to humiliate them.
Kate has no tact or sense of discretion.
She makes me sick.
I think the kids are going to have bathroom issues.
This reminds me of when one of the little boys pooped on the bathroom floor at the new house. I wonder if that was a show of disrespect to Kate.
Yes, they moved into th enew house and I was disgusted when Kate told Cara to wipe one of the boys for her. Excuse me? Since when is it a siblings job to take care of bathroom duties?
Can't help but wonder....
if the camera crew wasn't there to capture this, would Alexis have been spanked? Would she have been lovingly washed in the tub still, or left dirty in the crib until daddy came home?
Sometimes I wonder if God is the one who brought in TLC as a measure to protect the kids from their mother. Seriously, don't you wonder how much more torture they would've had to endure if there were no witnesses? In a way I think the cameras has spared the kids from her wrath. I really don't know which is worse, being filmed or not being filmed. Each has it's own consequences.
Eight babies and no poop explosions? I don't know why I didn't catch that before. I guess when I watched it originally I thought, boy that brings back memories. Didn't catch that blatant lie. Of course, maybe Jon did more diaper changing than her since he did all the bathing. What a lousy excuse for a mother.
Dumbfounded, yes you were treated very badly at the fan site. But it is not their fault that they wear blinders where their hero is concerned. They love to bash and trash anyone who has an unkind word to say about Kate. They just can't help that they see her as a perfect person. They love to tell us that we are horrible people who just don't understand why Kate behaves the way she does. But they do understand -- why? Because they are just like her. For the poster over there who said they saw the NY episode and saw nothing wrong -- how can you watch a mother tell her 9 year old that if she doesn't line up for her photo op she will be left with strangers -- how is that a good mother? How can you cram a drippy ice cream cone in another child's face and tell him to 'eat it', how is that o.k.? And then the 9 year old had asked for a shake and when she was brought a cone and complained, as any 9 year old would, the cone was thrown away and the 9 year old was left with nothing. Oh yeah, I can just hear the sheeple, well she was dealing with 8, count 'em 8, kids. Yeah, but she was not alone, and she DID have lots of help.
There is no way you can win an argument with these people who see her as a hero, as someone they want to be just like and most of all that they understand because they are just like her. Narcissistic just like her. Controlling just like her. A site that claims they have Kate's mom posting is all of a sudden THE site that has Kate's mom posting -- with no proof whatsoever other than they claim they have 'verified' it. Yeah right. And Jon is just automatically wrong because Hailey Glassman says so? Yeah, right.
They are sheeple, what else do you expect from them. It's best to stay away from them. Let them have their love site for Kate and call everyone else haters. It makes them feel superior. Meanwhile, 8 innocent children are forced to perform for THEIR pleasure. Sick.
Have to agree with everyone here. I have 5 kids from ages 22(tomorrow) to 4 and lets just say, I have had my share of poopy diaper explosions. Many of them happened in the newborn stage. And as yucky as they were, I just dealt with them, no biggie. I cannot imagine that for a mom and a nurse, that this was Kate's first experience with a poopy explosion. She just keeps piling on the sh*t, no pun intended.
Okay, first off - ITA with all the other posters who have said that babies and toddlers have containment failure poops. It comes with the territory. You deal with it and move on. I also agree with everyone who states that, as a nurse and as a mother of twins prior to the sextuplets, Kate should have experienced this type of accident before.
That being said, I have to say that I have groaned more than once when coming into my kids' room and finding poop all over followed by my own over exaggerated expressions when I've found my kids in that situation. It's done in a funny, smiley way - "Did you make a stinky? Yes you did, you made a BIIIGGG stinky! You love mommy SOOOOO much, don't you!" because it gives me perspective (yes, it's a mess and it's not fun to clean up smeared poop but it's only poop in the long run and I'm washable). My (then) toddlers laughed and we moved on.
As for it being filmed, IMO they've done worse. Colin's constipation in the parking lot while Kate shopped for beds is by far much worse than this. I've seen things like this on America's Funniest Home Videos and other shows like it. Americans like their poop jokes, for whatever reasons. And yes, I realize that doesn't make it right.
I can't speak regarding the nudity - the video quality isn't very good but from what I could make out, I didn't really see anything that was full frontal or anything. Honestly, I couldn't really make out anything as she carried her to the bath. I saw more when Jon gave them the bath and they allowed it to be filmed. Just my opinion, but in the overall big picture of these kids being exploited this one scene didn't outrage me as much as other people I guess.
What struck me about this clip is how relatively calm Kate reacts. The Kate v.2010 would have shrieked and screamed, thrown a tantrum, complained about having low blood sugar and opined, "Get me out of here" like she did with the recent hose incident. She also didn't appear to be angry, frustrated or seething as she so often does now, with her sourpuss expressions and her fake smiles.
Her bad judgment, lies and exaggerations are on full display in the clip but the personality isn't as revved up and manic as it seems to be now.
Do narcissists evolve (or devolve) or is Katie Irene these days out of her mind??
@Twisted, oh I can only hope Kate would not be THAT cruel! They were babies and its called an accident for a reason! Sheesh anyone to punishes a baby for that shouldn't BE a parent.
But I can't get over how much Kate has made herself change physically in the last 6 years, its almost dare a say...sad?
I remember this from the special. What really struck me at the time was the narrator saying "And then something happened that wrecked Kate's schedule". I remember thinking 'what kind of 22 year old, non-parent, slick marketing flunkie is writing this drivel?' Wreck her schedule? Oh dear, call in the troops.There are 8 little babies there that are waiting for cuddling and we were supposed to worry about her 'schedule'?
"Never happened before in my LIFE!" What, you were like 25 years old? I recall thinking you aint no century old earth-mother, knock it off and get over your little self.
And not a word about whether or not her little baby might have had an upset tummy and what caused all the loose stool.
That's what I recall thinking at the time. I also wondered why not one of them lifted up their arms to her. Now we all know, she rarely lifted her children except to lug them when mandatory. Now we see how much TLC deliberatley fed Kate's psychosis and the results. She is a neglectful, emotionally abusive, probably physically abusive disdainful parent. And society cant stop looking. Who ever knew how much power the media really has?
I am sure that TLC/Disc is actually quite pleased with themselves for creating an American cultural disaster that is Kate Gosselin and her sad pathetic little children.
I can't even imagine how devastating it would be to wake up one day and learn that your parents treated you like this, and put your most private, most intimate, and most personal moments on film, on television, on the internet. The hurt, the betrayal, the devastation would be huge.
If you can't trust your parents to love and protect you, who CAN you trust? Those kids are in for a lifetime of pain, and they haven't even seen the worst of it yet. WE know about what they'll face, but they still don't have a clue. What a complete and total betrayal of what it means to be a loving, protective, caring parent.
In her book, "Just Wanted You To Know" she talks about how bad Alexis was and how she left
"the monster" in her crib till Jon got home from work.
Also remember on the garage makeover show, 3 kids got out of their cribs which toddlers do and wandered downstairs, and their punishment was 45 more minutes in the crib. That spoke volumes to me at the time, because 2.5 year olds may know on some level it is wrong to get out of their crib during nap time, but 45 minutes imprisonment defies every common sense rule about parenting. Try 2 minutes!!!! And she admits it.
Also another story in the book was the kids at about the same age, trashed the nursery during naptime, broke a lamp, peeled off some drywall, tore books etc... she has a picture of the destruction in the book. She called Carla Turner to come clean it up because she couldn't handle doing it herself and proudly claims she never had to see the horrendous room in that state again.
What I want to know is how did she not hear all of this?
She is mean and sick and twisted.
A lot of my babies' little sleepers were permanently stained at the back from poop explosions; it happened quite often - not a big deal.
@ Live in Lancaster, I noticed the difference in Kate too. Back then she didn't have a manicure nor expensive clothing to protect and she seemed to truly love those babies. She was busy but not stressed out. The "fame" has gone straight to her head.
What was that she said - You should have saved this one for daddy. She knew she was incapable of taking care of that many kids before she signed up to have them. Jon took care of the twins too just like he did the tups. What a tool she is - a mockery to motherhood.
You know, I almost believe that moron when she said that this had never happened to her before. Of course it didn't because it wasn't HER job but you can bet it happened to Jon all the time.
She kept them napping all afternoon, probably right up until Jon came home from work so WTF was she doing all day besides making lists of jobs for other people to do. Did she tell all her helpers to leave the clean-up for Jon? I'll bet he tried to work overtime just to avoid the piles of shit waiting for him when he got home.
@twitch- I agree with everything you wrote and have wondered the same thing. That woman is a complete and total nutjob. If she hadn't sold her kids to TLC, what would she have ended up doing to them. It's almost too frightening to think about.
dumbfounded - If you disagreed with Bush about the faux reasons he spouted about how it was mandatory to go to war against Iraq you were trashed and NOT just accused of being against the troops but Bush & his team labeled you UNAMERICAN. That's what happened to the Dixie Chicks & others. The rest of your post is just the facts!
I did not see the NY epi and have just read Admin's recap. From that it is clear that Kate actually called Cara a liar (on the couch voice overs) and the epi itself proves that Cara had asked for a milkshake. Just despicable excuse for a mother. Get her off TV. Each episode promotes more of her abuse of her precious children. Enough.
She also says she "lost it" when that happened to the nursery and now that her true colors have come out we know what that means.
The spin-off in 40 years will be "Plus 8 put Kate in an Old Folks Home."
They'll get their revenge by picking Mom up and showing us her backside in all her glory every time she happens to crap herself. Karma's a bitch.
I haven't finished reading Kate's book yet because it's absolute torture, but I know people have said they still want me to recap it here soo eventually I'll do it.
Anyway, to the person who explained that Kate would punish Alexis by leaving her in her crib....
Talk about a horrible way to punish a child. Completely confusing their place of sleep, relaxation and peace with a place of punishment.
It's the same with dogs, anyone who crate trains their dogs knows that you NEVER, ever punish a dog by putting that dog in his crate. The hallmark of crate training is supposed to be teaching a dog to see their crate as a safe haven, not a jail cell.
@Admin ...
I appreciate the point you were trying to make by posting this video clip, but I'm disappointed that you did. It should never have been aired in the first place on TLC, much less rebroadcast to remind the world that Hannah had explosive diarrhea on national television. The majority of us [non-Sheeple] who saw it in the initial airing of the episode were appalled at Kate's histrionics (um, Kate, all toddlers have explosive poop in their diapers at one time or another ... not unique to the spawn of Your Highness), lack of empathy (instead of checking to see if Hannah was sick, Kate chose to humiliate the poor child -- yeah, I'll bet Kate was a GREAT nurse. Not.), and revelation that she didn’t handle the bathing of her kids (further affirmation that Jon did all the work). But I think re-broadcasting this humiliating clip doesn't do any of the kids -- most especially Hannah -- any good. I agree, the clip reveals Kate at her truest: Uncaring and unsympathetic to the needs of her child; demanding and self-centered (why did this “happen” to KATE, and where was Jon when the proverbial and literal shit hit the fan?????). It’s a prime example of what a non-nurturer/non-mother Kate is. We all know that Kate’s a heartless, phony bitch who is only “marketed” as a mother – and who is incapable of performing the real role. But, I also feel that we can't keep crying out against the kids' exploitation, only to re-post their most humiliating moments for old – and, worse, new -- bloggers to see. The kids will be best served if these re-broadcasts are done by Jon, accompanied by a lawyer, in front of a judge. Posting them on the blog just perpetuates their life-line on the Internet, and only serves to embarrass the kids that much more. JMO.
@ Live in Lancaster, I noticed the difference in Kate too. Back then she didn't have a manicure nor expensive clothing to protect and she seemed to truly love those babies. She was busy but not stressed out. The "fame" has gone straight to her head.
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I believe Kate loves little babies, she just doesn't like it when they start becoming toddlers from then on up. Also, remember back during the time this was filmed, I wonder if Kate probably hadn't thought about bigger and better 'fame'. As time went on, and more and more perks came her way, more fame, etc. I believe she started getting more caught up in just how far she could possibly 'take' this gig. Now, years later, being asked on the View, to the Emmy's, host for ET, she wants and believes she can actually use that as a spring board for better gigs. (It ain't gonna happen, we all know that, due to her lack of any humility or genuine warmth, personality, sense of humor, etc.). W/that perspective, I believe, having lived w/a narcissist myself, she started feeling she had more to lose (freebies, perks, diva-ness, etc.) and now she is more desperate to hold on to all that she has gained thus far. Sadly though, for her, she knows the kids are growing and becoming less appealing and that spells possible loss of everything! The more she feels 'threatened' w/losing it all, the more desperate she becomes, (dressing like a 'ho, making the show more and more about her and less about the kids, etc) and the more obnoxious she gets.
Kate is desperate and scared of losing all the $$$ from the show, the freebies, the gifts, etc. and she will become more "out there" as times goes on. Wait and see....she'll start doing off the wall things, I think. This is why I have always feared what will happen, if and when she becomes yesterday's news. It worries me.
I'm confused. I thought Kate liked (likes) poop. She saved the children's first BMs by forever capturing the poop in photos. I thought at the time that she had some obsessive fascination with human excrement. I was surprised that she didn't eternally preserve their first BMs using some kind of drying method, either displaying them in a shadow box, or pressing them between the pages of their photo albums (like a dried flower arrangement).
Why was she so freaked out over this one poop? Because it was messy and not capable of preservation, or because she had to clean it up?
No Moose Mania, she does not like poop she has to handle; only the kind she gets to flush. In her little pea-brain she can take credit for the flushable poop.
What a blooming idiot.
With six babies and two toddlers she NEVER had a blowout diaper? That's just completely impossible. I had ONE kid and dealt with at least a few. So either she's lying or SHE really never did have to deal with blowout diapers because she wasn't doing it.
And I have the same question about baths. HOW could they have eight kids but she didn't "do" baths??? How is that even possible? Wouldn't Jon have needed help even in the early days with the twins? If for no other reason than for one adult to take a baby in a towel and the other adult to take the other baby? I mean the two older girls WERE infants once and they weren't on TV and so didn't have a crew or nannies helping out, right?
Also, most parents with a tiny bit of maturity would have just gone "oh no" or made light of it and then gotten on with the job at hand--cleaning the child up. Not gone on and on with the dramatics, making it in a huge deal.
Again, though, I'm still struck by how differently she interacts with them now. Mostly she doesn't interact with them or when she does, it's to snap at them.
Admin - Tomr night is the NC epi @ 9PM. Are you going to recap for us so we don't have to watch?
If so, thank-you. If not, no problem.
Who was watching the other 7 while she was in the bathroom washing this one?
Trucker- I had forgotten about the time the tups trashed the nursery. I remember thinking at the time that someone must have heard this happening. A lamp was broken and must have made a sound when it hit the floor.
I was surprised they didn't have a baby monitor in the room. The tups weren't checked up on, on a regular basis, but just left to their own devices in their room for hours at a time, with no regard for their safety or well-being.
Moose Mania - ROFLM*O!
"I was surprised that she didn't eternally preserve their first BMs using some kind of drying method, either displaying them in a shadow box, or pressing them between the pages of their photo albums (like a dried flower arrangement)."
I remember thinking she had poop issues to when she talked about photographing their first potty chair bms.
But to be fair, I think her reaction was understandable, if not the over exaggeration but she was playing to the camera. Nobody really likes coming in to find that kind of a mess. At least Alexis didn't have to stay in the crib for another 45 minutes.
@Admin ...
I appreciate the point you were trying to make by posting this video clip, but I'm disappointed that you did. It should never have been aired in the first place on TLC, much less rebroadcast to remind the world that Hannah had explosive diarrhea on national television. The majority of us [non-Sheeple] who saw it in the initial airing of the episode were appalled at Kate's histrionics (um, Kate, all toddlers have explosive poop in their diapers at one time or another ... not unique to the spawn of Your Highness), lack of empathy (instead of checking to see if Hannah was sick, Kate chose to humiliate the poor child -- yeah, I'll bet Kate was a GREAT nurse. Not.), and revelation that she didn’t handle the bathing of her kids (further affirmation that Jon did all the work). But I think re-broadcasting this humiliating clip doesn't do any of the kids -- most especially Hannah -- any good. I agree, the clip reveals Kate at her truest: Uncaring and unsympathetic to the needs of her child; demanding and self-centered (why did this “happen” to KATE, and where was Jon when the proverbial and literal shit hit the fan?????). It’s a prime example of what a non-nurturer/non-mother Kate is. We all know that Kate’s a heartless, phony bitch who is only “marketed” as a mother – and who is incapable of performing the real role. But, I also feel that we can't keep crying out against the kids' exploitation, only to re-post their most humiliating moments for old – and, worse, new -- bloggers to see. The kids will be best served if these re-broadcasts are done by Jon, accompanied by a lawyer, in front of a judge. Posting them on the blog just perpetuates their life-line on the Internet, and only serves to embarrass the kids that much more. JMO.
Sadie asked...Who was watching the other 7 while she was in the bathroom washing this one?
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Alexis was in the bathtub, the other five were still in their cribs. I'm not sure where the twins were...does she say anything about them in the video?
Everyone please read GoPoshGo's most recent post for an example of how to disagree without being a total jerk.
Also just a reminder, one of our rules is no trash talking other blogs. I've let this one slide but I'm going back to being strict about it. You may talk about other blogs, you just may not trash talk them. They may talk about us but we're not going to do the same. Thanks.
GoPoshGo, I always did love your stuff. In fact I saved your re-cap of the Kate/Natalie Morales interview (sheer poetry). But just the fact that you refer to the baby in question as "Hannah" makes me worry about the future mental health of these sextuplets. I believe it was Alexis who was the star of this diaper explosion, not Hannah. Currently, these poor kids are no more individual than a constellation of stars in the universe. We would not want highschool freshman Joel to get a butt-kicking in response to Collin's constipation, would we? I pray these 8 kids are allowed to grow and develop into distinct individual adults, separate from the infamy of the Gosselin name.
I'm not a mommy so I talked to my mom about this diaper blowout incident and she told me how she would handle a blowout.
She didn't personalize it.
She JUST cleaned it up.
If you leave it too long the baby runs the risk painful diaper rash.
When it's your kid, you just do what you need to do.
What I find strange is that Kate is so un-motherly towards her children. There is a weird detachment there. I think it's another sign of her narcissism because narcississts view people as objects.
Anyways, just my two cents.
Laura D. I think that GoPoshGo was probably thinking of the "Hanna pooped in Hanna's underwears" video. If you've seen one poop episode on the Gosselins you seen them all as they tend to blend together.
To the people expressing surprise that Kate "didn't do" baths--it's been well documented (by Kate's own admission and what we saw on the series) that Kate didn't do many things. She didn't brush their teeth (Jon's job); she didn't empty out potties (Jon's job); she didn't do baths (Jon's job); she didn't feed the babies (volunteers' job); she didn't get the kids dressed (Jon's job); she didn't get the twins off to school. She didn't even make her own coffee (remember the handwritten instructions stuck to the cabinet on how to make "Kate's coffee"? How self-centered can a person be?) She didn't drag herself out of bed until long after Jon had gone to work and the kids were already up (8 or 9 am?). Then she'd lock them in their room for a 4-hr nap from 12-4 every day (no wonder they trashed their room--they were bored and frustrated!). If you strip all that away, WHAT did Kate EVER do for those children besides maybe laundry and putting food in front of them?
I think the environment they are raised in is more harmful than these clips. They lives such cloistered overscheduled lives with estranged hostile parents and ridiculous rules like Jon not being allowed to drive in the gates to pick them up. How do they even make friends with TLC breathing down their necks making sure nothing about them gets into the media? It is not a life I'd wish on my worst enemy.
GoPoahGo, very well and very diplomatically said. I couldn't agree more. I'm very concerned that the kids' most embarrassing moments have the potential to be used against them when they get into Jr. and High School. Kids are so cruel. I've even worried that it might be more than some of them could handle emotionally. The fact that there are embarrassing videos out there does not give license to perpetuate the humiliation, IMO. I've had trouble dealing with that mindset.
The sheeple re-write history and want us to forget moments like this. They are full of rabid hate about these clips because it shows people the truth, and not their version of history they've worked so hard to build. One of the concerns is that if it's not well documented then the re-writing will win. For anyone coming on board late to the game who didn't know, which truth should they be given?
A perfect example is that when Jodi and Kevin spoke out, the sheeple discredited them by claiming that the children were shown on potties at their house, not Kate's. The reality is, you could only prove by looking at the actual clips, that the children were only shown at Jodi's standing in the bathroom door, fully clothed, AFTER going potty. It was at Kate's house they were shown on the actual potties.
I'm also of the belief that the way to stop something is not to ignore it or supress it.
IMO, showing these clips again HERE, with all the comments describing how filming it in the first place was just plain WRONG, is a whole lot different that putting it on national TV or on YouTube without the negative comments. On blogs intended to protect children, this is a warning to parents to protect their children's privacy BEFORE it gets out in the cyberworld and on DVD's. On the other places, it is pure entertainment (cough).
I view it much the same as... say a documentary of teenage pregnancy. They will interview real girls who have really been pregnant with the plan to show the problems of it. It has a point beyond humiliating the girls. It is not exploitation nearly as it would be if the girls were videotaped and it was shown at the school dance.
I see Admin's inclusion of these videos to be reminders to all of us, and the Gosselin children, that their lives were not normal and this group of concerned people tried to bring it into the light. The video is already out there in the land of cyber. Here, it is accompanied by cries of horror and anguish for the children and attempts to remedy the situation before it gets worse.
Only an opinion.
@Jennifer...Are you serious? She didn't do any of that stuff?? I had no idea. I just know from what I've read on other blogs, & maybe I just don't remember reading that. I do remember reading that she napped her babies for loooong periods of time, but the coffee thing? Getting up late? That is beyond crazy. What a lazy wench. This blows my mind. Why have kids at all? Especially so many! What did she ever do for those kids. This just proves so many bloggers points, she was looking for the spotlight when she got pregnant with the tups, she didn't want the "dirty work" that came along with being a mommy. She still doesn't. Jon did everything, and it's all on video, can't the sheeple see that? How can they be so blind?? Kate did nothing apparently. And now, from what I read, she just barks orders, screams, and threatens. I don't understand how this is perceived as a "good mom", and how she keeps getting passes from the media. How much power does TLC have anyways? It boggles the mind. I really think there is something that will come out that will blow the lid off Kate's "perfect persona" someday. It's just a waiting game. Until then, she's burying herself on video.
Hi Jennifer. It's making my head hurt to contradict you, but Kate did brush teeth once on an epi. One of the boys was standing on his highchair and Kate came behind him and grabbed his head in a half-nelson and started scouring his teeth for all she was worth. He seemed quite accustomed to it.
The reason I recall it is because she did it in the eating area, also used a dry toothbrush (no water, no toothpaste, nothing) and also she scrubed away like she was trying to get a stain off the floor.
There was an epi where she bellowed at Jon about how dirty and disgusting Mady's teeth were so he had better hop to it.
BeDone,
I remember that episode and figured it was a one-off, where Kate was brushing for the camera or maybe just as an exception. There was another episode where they took all the kids to the dentist, and when the dentist pointed out areas that needed more attention, Kate immediately said that brushing was Jon's job. (Besides that, I remember another episode where Kate complained to Jon that Mady's teeth looked disgusting, and apparently he took care of it.) So maybe she brushed teeth ONCE, just like she bathed Alexis ONCE, but the point still remains that the bulk of the real caretaking was always handled by Jon or someone else. All it takes to realize it is for someone with an ounce of perception to watch all the episodes. If I were to make a list of all evidence of poor parenting or lack of parenting on Kate's part, I'd probably have a novel.
Fidosmommy, I agree. I think Admin playing the clips here is akin to a documentary and is taking a step to point out the negatives and get people to realize what was really going on in those kids' lives. My mom was "troubled" (not NEARLY as bad as Kate though) and I would feel grateful that someone realized how damaging some of her actions were to me and that they were trying to help. JMO
Ok, somebody out there who is a mom or a dad....
If your 10 year old child was walking around the house videotaping things of interest, and suddenly your baby was a "poopitous boy", would you TURN THE CHILD'S BOTTOM TO THE CAMERA to make sure it got on film? Even if it was a video only your family would see? Or would you say, "Excuse me Daisy, I've got to go get Elmer cleaned up. We'll film him again later, OK"?
Whether or not Elmer would appreciate having that event for posterity or not isn't really even the issue. It just does not seem to me to be a subject for filming. I guess I'm out of the loop on what is interesting. I thought it was 6 year olds who were fascinated with bathroom things. Silly me.
For all of the people who were comparing "old" Kate to the "famewhore" version - I had found this quote by Roger Ebert many months ago that I find totally apt:
"Celebrity does not change who you are as a person its only adds volume!!"
- Roger Ebert 3 16 2010
Basically all the shrewishness, rudeness, hatred towards her children (which is so open now) was always there all along, we just SEE more of it now that we've unfortunately had to see more of her.
How narcisstic she is, how lazy she is...it was all there all along. We just now get to see it magnified. I do not expect the sheeple to ever "see" her as we do...they are too enamored of how similar they are to their false idol that they never will get the wool out of their eyes.
I DO agree that when the cameras are off, things are worse for the kids. I pray for them and the end to this damned show.
Oddly, after watching this clip, I got up and removed my duck's diaper, pleased to find that, overnight, she had not made a huge soggy mess. I kissed her and said "good duckie!" and then I put her in her bed in the tub. (well, after she pooped on my hand as I was cleaning out the sink... I couldn't really argue - she did poop in the sink and not all over the counter; my hand just happened to be there)
She slept on my bed last night - hence the overnight diaperage.
I really feel bad for what those kids are going to go thru in Jr. High (or whatever they call it now)
Kate is the worst definition of mom that i have ever seen.How about the buying bunk beds for the sextuplets and it took for ever to buy 6 beds and one of the little boys was screaming cause the poop wouldn t come out and she totalng pushed him aside and demanded Jon to go to the van to change him What mom in har right mind would do that And poor Alexis being kept in the basement at night to sleep for over a year cause she woke the other children up Did she not realize how many people watched that and how easily she could of been kidnapped Couldn t she have kept her in the room next to her bedroom or tucked her in on the couch at bed time She is the worst mom i know and how the grandparents just sit back and do nothing is beyond me
Kate is the worst definition of mom that i have ever seen.How about the buying bunk beds for the sextuplets and it took for ever to buy 6 beds and one of the little boys was screaming cause the poop wouldn t come out and she totalng pushed him aside and demanded Jon to go to the van to change him What mom in har right mind would do that And poor Alexis being kept in the basement at night to sleep for over a year cause she woke the other children up Did she not realize how many people watched that and how easily she could of been kidnapped Couldn t she have kept her in the room next to her bedroom or tucked her in on the couch at bed time She is the worst mom i know and how the grandparents just sit back and do nothing is beyond me
Ok, somebody out there who is a mom or a dad....
If your 10 year old child was walking around the house videotaping things of interest, and suddenly your baby was a "poopitous boy", would you TURN THE CHILD'S BOTTOM TO THE CAMERA to make sure it got on film? Even if it was a video only your family would see? Or would you say, "Excuse me Daisy, I've got to go get Elmer cleaned up. We'll film him again later, OK"?
Whether or not Elmer would appreciate having that event for posterity or not isn't really even the issue. It just does not seem to me to be a subject for filming. I guess I'm out of the loop on what is interesting. I thought it was 6 year olds who were fascinated with bathroom things. Silly me.
BeDone,
I remember that episode and figured it was a one-off, where Kate was brushing for the camera or maybe just as an exception. There was another episode where they took all the kids to the dentist, and when the dentist pointed out areas that needed more attention, Kate immediately said that brushing was Jon's job. (Besides that, I remember another episode where Kate complained to Jon that Mady's teeth looked disgusting, and apparently he took care of it.) So maybe she brushed teeth ONCE, just like she bathed Alexis ONCE, but the point still remains that the bulk of the real caretaking was always handled by Jon or someone else. All it takes to realize it is for someone with an ounce of perception to watch all the episodes. If I were to make a list of all evidence of poor parenting or lack of parenting on Kate's part, I'd probably have a novel.
@Jennifer...Are you serious? She didn't do any of that stuff?? I had no idea. I just know from what I've read on other blogs, & maybe I just don't remember reading that. I do remember reading that she napped her babies for loooong periods of time, but the coffee thing? Getting up late? That is beyond crazy. What a lazy wench. This blows my mind. Why have kids at all? Especially so many! What did she ever do for those kids. This just proves so many bloggers points, she was looking for the spotlight when she got pregnant with the tups, she didn't want the "dirty work" that came along with being a mommy. She still doesn't. Jon did everything, and it's all on video, can't the sheeple see that? How can they be so blind?? Kate did nothing apparently. And now, from what I read, she just barks orders, screams, and threatens. I don't understand how this is perceived as a "good mom", and how she keeps getting passes from the media. How much power does TLC have anyways? It boggles the mind. I really think there is something that will come out that will blow the lid off Kate's "perfect persona" someday. It's just a waiting game. Until then, she's burying herself on video.
The sheeple re-write history and want us to forget moments like this. They are full of rabid hate about these clips because it shows people the truth, and not their version of history they've worked so hard to build. One of the concerns is that if it's not well documented then the re-writing will win. For anyone coming on board late to the game who didn't know, which truth should they be given?
A perfect example is that when Jodi and Kevin spoke out, the sheeple discredited them by claiming that the children were shown on potties at their house, not Kate's. The reality is, you could only prove by looking at the actual clips, that the children were only shown at Jodi's standing in the bathroom door, fully clothed, AFTER going potty. It was at Kate's house they were shown on the actual potties.
I'm also of the belief that the way to stop something is not to ignore it or supress it.
Dumbfounded, yes you were treated very badly at the fan site. But it is not their fault that they wear blinders where their hero is concerned. They love to bash and trash anyone who has an unkind word to say about Kate. They just can't help that they see her as a perfect person. They love to tell us that we are horrible people who just don't understand why Kate behaves the way she does. But they do understand -- why? Because they are just like her. For the poster over there who said they saw the NY episode and saw nothing wrong -- how can you watch a mother tell her 9 year old that if she doesn't line up for her photo op she will be left with strangers -- how is that a good mother? How can you cram a drippy ice cream cone in another child's face and tell him to 'eat it', how is that o.k.? And then the 9 year old had asked for a shake and when she was brought a cone and complained, as any 9 year old would, the cone was thrown away and the 9 year old was left with nothing. Oh yeah, I can just hear the sheeple, well she was dealing with 8, count 'em 8, kids. Yeah, but she was not alone, and she DID have lots of help.
There is no way you can win an argument with these people who see her as a hero, as someone they want to be just like and most of all that they understand because they are just like her. Narcissistic just like her. Controlling just like her. A site that claims they have Kate's mom posting is all of a sudden THE site that has Kate's mom posting -- with no proof whatsoever other than they claim they have 'verified' it. Yeah right. And Jon is just automatically wrong because Hailey Glassman says so? Yeah, right.
They are sheeple, what else do you expect from them. It's best to stay away from them. Let them have their love site for Kate and call everyone else haters. It makes them feel superior. Meanwhile, 8 innocent children are forced to perform for THEIR pleasure. Sick.
Can't help but wonder....
if the camera crew wasn't there to capture this, would Alexis have been spanked? Would she have been lovingly washed in the tub still, or left dirty in the crib until daddy came home?
Sometimes I wonder if God is the one who brought in TLC as a measure to protect the kids from their mother. Seriously, don't you wonder how much more torture they would've had to endure if there were no witnesses? In a way I think the cameras has spared the kids from her wrath. I really don't know which is worse, being filmed or not being filmed. Each has it's own consequences.
Sharon here- when my kids were small, I never took any picture of them that would be embarrassing for them in the future. I also never filmed anything that would embarrass them- but then again- it wasn't all about me! And yeah, for being a nurse, these things should be no big deal- of course, she doesn't have a degree in nursing, just a certificate. She probably wanted to meet some rich doctor. Jon was close- as his dad was a dentist and I'm sure there was money there. I loathe this woman and her entire brand!
Baby's have diaper blowouts. You walk in when they are up from their naps, see the horror that is a poop filled crib (I've dealt with poop painters...not fun), your jaw hits the floor, then......you shift into "mommy mode" and get the job done (cleaning it up). Funny, I never had a camera there when it happened but I can guarantee that putting on a dramatic show would have been the LAST thing on my mind.
She's not a mom, she just plays one on tv.
Hmmm...really odd for a nurse to have such a freak out over poop. And, to me it didn't even seem that bad. All babies have poopy diaper blowouts, it's a given. You just grab a box of wipes, clean it up and plop them in the bathtub. Done.
Also, how does a mom of 8 get away with never having to bathe her children? My husband and I are a team...we divide and conquer to get the job done. There's never been this "daddy is the bath giver" crap. This just reiterates that she really is not a very maternal woman...just b/c you can give birth to 8 children doesn't mean you know how to mother them. It's sad.
Admin, the sheeple are desperate to block posters like myself who reject their claims that Kate's mother posts on their site and supports the kids being on tv. They read here for shits and giggles and have a new post up this morning, which I am blocked from replying. At first they said they didn't care whether I believed or not, but then they deleted my posts, blocked me, and ran over to the second site I was on to have someone confirm that Kate's mother does post, then the second site blocked me.
It reminds me of how the Bush Administration tried to deal with opponents to the war -if you opposed this war you were against the troops. The sheeple wrap themselves up in the flag and religion. They claim Kate is a devout Christian, as are her parents, and if you don't believe, you must be mocking religion. I had illustrated how they use religion to con people into thinking Kate's mom posts there.
We know that everyone around Kate and the kids have to sign non disclosure forms and that has kept a lid on what is really going on. Still, leaks are getting in and I hope this site attracts insiders and makes them feel safe enough to spill the beans. At the end of the day, there are 8 children who can't refuse to perform on tv, and who are not being protected by their parents.
Warped...
Bottom line, it was done just for ratings, at the expense of Kate's children.
You watch- when the Gosselin 8 are legally able, they are going to sue the stuffings' out of their parents & TLC.
Kate the Super Mom:
'We should have saved this for daddy'.
'I'm not the bath giver, daddy is.'
She does it all, doesn't she?
Good one Admin, now the sheeple have to defend how a mother with 8 children can honestly tell the camera this is the first overflowing poopy diaper she has ever encountered in her lifetime. Exagerate much, Kate? Or are you confirming what others have said about volunteers and nannies raising your children while you locked yourself in your room and played on your laptop? Nice of her to state for the record she did not bathe her children, Jon did.
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