Good job...she really IS Mommie Dearest. And what I'm struck by as much as the parallels between her and Joan Crawford is how obviously FLAT CHESTED she is in that white sweater she's wearing on the couch with Jon.
It has been noted that Hailey Glassman is going to be on a TV dating show. I guess reality TV is scraping the barrel. You know Kates new career could be as a cleaning woman. Ah yes...karma.
WOW! That was creepy!!!!!! Plus where did they get the money to pay for housekeepers while only daddy working and having 8 kids? All for the show and TLC paying for it
I've wanted to put this one together for awhile and it was fun. But in all seriousness, what really, really bothers me is the way Kate is given a national forum to trash this housekeeper--whose name and image was shown, without giving her a chance to defend herself. Talk about messing with someone's livlihood. Saying on national TV that the housekeeper wouldn't meet anyone's standards could be career-breaking for that poor lady. But does she think about other people when she runs her mouth? Course not.
Oh, and she also complained the housekeeper's English was poor.
She really has some nerve complaining about the way someone speaks. Maybe next time Kate complains about someone's poor English she would do well to remember that the people with poor English are the backbone of this country. A day without a Mexican.
Gawd, that is so freakishly similar. But Kate was MUCH calmer back then. Not so much anymore. She just haven't to "check" herself anymore-the production co. wants her to freak out.
I beleive said cleaning lady signed an agreement and was probably paid well. I check on my cleaning lady too and it is annoying when areas like a book shelf are untouced. And my lady is hard to understand and doesn't read English, it is kindof a pain. She gets paid 15 dollars an hour, cash.
Personally I think it's tacky to complain about the hired help to anyone but either the hired help themselves, or the agency they are through if they have one. But then Kate might as well marry tacky.
Hello Everyone: Long time lurker, first time poster. What upset me about this video is that the areas that Kate was complaining about are areas that hadn't been touched for a long time. That's a lot more than a weeks worth of dust. Maybe she's not such a good housekeeper either.
Good job on the clip admin. I don't know why she didn't just tie an apron on Jon and add housecleaning to his to-do list when he got home from work.
From all accounts I've read about Joan Crawford, she really WAS obsessed with cleaning whereas Kate's OC was scripted for the show. In that same episode she also told another potential housekeeper she was interviewing not to check the baseboards 'cuz she didn't wipe them down very often. For someone who is such a clean freak that would be a daily chore. So Kate is either a germaphobe or a friggin liar. Duh I'll go with liar. They were really setting the stage back then and the poor stupid sheeple still buy all her bs to this day.
That was actually one of the few shows I watched. I remember her complaining about the cleaning lady & thinking how mean it was & how lousy that woman must have felt. If I was that woman, I would have drove to that house, knocked on the door, & slapped Kate right in the face. Better yet, why didn't the cleaning lady sue Kate for defamation of character?
Anyways, it was very soon after that when I stopped watching. The parallel between Mommy Dearest & Kate is close. I never did add 1+1 together. Good call Admin! And what happened to Joan Crawford's kids? They said "see ya!" to their mother when they could (& her daughter wrote a book), just as I suspect Kate's kids will do to her.
I don't think Kate's OCD is scripted. I think she's highly narcissistic and highly obsessive/compulsive. Kate would have to be a fairly good actress to act so obsessive/compulsive and she definitely cannot act.
Kate is not OCD. If she were, there would not be any dust under her furniture, her closets would be totally organized,(we saw her thrashed out closet in an episode), she would not be brushing her childrens teeth or hair in her kitchen! That would just send an OCD person over the edge. Oh yeah...she would never walk around without shoes ! Like everything else,it was just written in the script of the "realist of real reality shows." As a person that had OCD for many years, I can assure you that Kate Gosselin was faking it for the cameras. So far I haven't found much about Kate Gosselin that is not fake !
Yeah.. Kate doesn't come close to having OCD. She is just pissed when other people don't anticipate her needs and respond accordingly. Just like Joan..
Remember the epi when they moved into the McMansion and she spent HOURS cleaning out a relatively looking (from my view) clean refrigerator? Painstakingly complaining ad nauseum about how horribly "awfulish" it was? AND whether that frig was "horrifically" dirty or not is besides the point.It was my HUB that never watched the show that watched that epi with me and suddenly commented, "Geeze, doesn't THAT lady know the prior owners of the house are probably watching. Why would someone belittle someone like that in front of a huge audience?" ...good catch hub, guess it's like Kate says, she doesn't SEE other people. Totally the trait of a narcissist.
If I was that woman, I would have drove to that house, knocked on the door, & slapped Kate right in the face.
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If you would have driven to that house and slapped her in the face, you better believe you would have faced an assault charge. Kate wouldn't let that one go!
Why didn't the woman sue for defamation? I didn't see the episode. Was her name given? Was she subsequently rejected by other potential employers because Kate said her performance was sub-par? She would have to prove that Kate specifically, on television, revealed her identity with intent to defame her, and then submitted proof of damages.
Tess said: "Geeze, doesn't THAT lady know the prior owners of the house are probably watching. Why would someone belittle someone like that in front of a huge audience?"
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I seem to recall that the previous owner was mighty miffed about this, and rumor was that TLC negotiated or paid him for being humiliated on national television, especially after Kate complained about the freezer in the basement never having been moved and how disgusting the dirt was there (it was less than a dust-pan full). Does anyone remember hearing about any kind of monetary restitution that Dr. C received?
I recall reading somewhere that the house had professional cleaners go through before they moved in. TLC asked that they PURPOSELY leave the fridge and under the freezer dirty so they could make an episode out of her having to clean. Don't know if the previous owners would have been aware of that or not, but I bet they were embarassed. The house was apparently empty for a few months, hence the "mold" in the fridge.
PA Mom ALSO said... Does anyone remember hearing about any kind of monetary restitution that Dr. C received? ~~~~ Yes, I read it also, in a few places. Not sure if it was an urban legend or what. But, it sure seems probable. Also, I wondered if Kate had some 'grudge' against this doctor, (isn't she mad w/the whole world?) as I'm positive she knew him since he was an OB/GYN, and she was a L&D nurse at same hospital. Classless - ya just can't use that word enough in the same sentence with Kate's name, can ya?
I doubt Kate cleaned the refrigerator for hours in the new house. The scene looked like just another setup for filming. I think Kate is narcissistic and has OCD, but she is not germaphobic and the clean freak that is presented for the cameras. Someone can be OCD about certain things being clean or orderly and be a total slob at the same time. Kate's an overly critical controlling bitch also.
Like most everything Kate does, it's not exactly illegal, it's just really shitty.
Defamation has to be a false statement of fact. This was more an opinion. Opinions aren't defamation. Now you can't just tear a new one into people and then label it an opinion, but simply saying that a housekeeper did not dust properly and then rubbing off the dust with your hand as proof is probably not going to be defamation. That's why people are allowed to post reviews all over newspapers, magazines and the internet and say bad things about businesses--it's an opinion.
If Kate has a problem with the housekeeper, she has at least two people she can complain to--the housekeeper herself and the woman who runs her agency who was also at the house for the interview. It's just really shitty that she uses her show which has a national audience to trash this housekeeper and then the housekeeper is not even given an opportunity to defend herself. In any case, I don't care if Kate's house looks like a hoarder after this housekeeper was done, the professional, classy, tactful thing to do is to take it up with the agency, not your TV show's audience.
I also find it ridiculous that in one breath Kate is complaining the housekeeper doesn't speak English, and in the next complaining she wasn't doing everything on the list Kate wrote. I assume the list was in English, maybe that's why she didn't follow the list.
Hey, at least Joan Crawford told the housekeeper to her face how much she sucked!
It's possible Kate's OCD about some things but she's definitely not OCD across the board like she wants people to think. What she definitely is is a control freak. Notice how she only cares or pays attention to others short-falls but when she does it herself (if ever) it never lives up to her own standard?
Good call Admin. I didn't think of it that way. I don't understand how defamation works, so thank you for clearing that up. Kate, using her show to complain about that cleaning lady was downright mean. The cleaning lady had no way to defend herself, & that totally sucks.
I was thinking, I'm really surprised no one has taken the opportunity to tell Kate off. She goes to Target alone a lot, there are people that do not like her, why hasn't anyone called her out on her bullshit? I know if I was given a golden moment like that, I would most definitely lay into her about some stuff. (I'm pretty blunt like that, I see a mom slapping her kid around, I step in. A dog in a car on a hot day, I call the cops, etc) So why hasn't anyone done this to Kate? People lashed out at Leona Helmsley when she said "only the little people pay taxes". If you all were given a chance, & you saw Kate strolling along, would you tell her off? What would you say?
Good job Admin!!!! Love the music and thanks for NOT showing one little blip of anything remotely connected to the children. If all your other careers don't work out for you, looks like you are ready to go into music video production! {hugs!}
I remember thinking at the time that she never even gave that young lady a chance, why not give additional instruction and give her another shot. And also how cruel of TLC and the film company to humiliate that young housekeeper on TV like that. A young cleaning lady trying to earn an HONEST living, had to be humiliated in order to make Katie look better.
Narcissists have different standards for themselves and others. Kate would say she did something her best (with many excuses for why it wasn't done better), but anyone else would need to do the same thing for her better (with no excuses for why it wasn't done up to her expectations). And if the other person doesn't agree with her, then that person will hear plenty of garbage and will be thrown out with the trash.
oops one more thing... I never ever believed that Kate was OCD about anything other than control. She is simply an angry mean person who is always looking for something or someone to blame for that anger. And if that means she has to blame dust and crumbs for the moment, then she will.
Of course, I have my own theories about why she is so angry and why it has evolved into such a debilitating personality disorder.
About Kate complaining, whining, bitching and moaning about the "filthy and moldy" refrigerator in the McMansion as she pretended to clean it for that episode. My understanding is that the Cammarano's were extremely pissed and that Mrs. C. wrote Kate a letter expressing her disdain for Kate's lies and lack of class. The entire house had been professionally cleaned before KON moved in. Long story short, Mrs. C. got a check in the mail from TLC as recompense for being trashed by Kate on TV.
BeDoneNow said.. Of course, I have my own theories about why she is so angry and why it has evolved into such a debilitating personality disorder. ~~~~ BDN, I'd love to hear your theories. If it isn't too much to type, can you share them?
OCD can take many forms other than cleanliness. Repetitive motions are common. I never thought Kate had OCD; I just think she is a control freak. The chanting of the kids lunch order was a strong sign. She will not be able to keep them under her thumb for much longer.
Did Dr. Phil give her maid service on one of his shows?
kate kreider wants to be a movie stah, someone should do a re-make of "Mommy Dearest", and kate could stah as the wicked Mommy!! She could just be herself!! Love the clip, Admin., you should make more of them!
Trucker said: I check on my cleaning lady too and it is annoying when areas like a book shelf are untouced. ************ I double checked the video and Kate actually removed books from the shelf and then bitched and chewed about it not being clean. Who the * cleans under books?
Hey, I just realized that the twins' birthday is coming up on October 9, which is next Saturday. That will be interesting to see if their "party" is filmed (which means more shows being created - I don't know what to believe about the show being over - those suits at TLC are liars and scammers and play with our heads all the time. If Take is still at all relevant (in her own mind at least). I am sure Chris will be there to document the party with pictures. Also, on October 9, the twins will have 8 years left on their sentence. That's a lifetime when you are their ages.
...good catch hub, guess it's like Kate says, she doesn't SEE other people. Totally the trait of a narcissist.
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Like in the episode where she, Jon and the kids go to Toys R Us (or wherever it was), and she loudly yells "HELLOOO!" to Jon and everyone around them stares, then as they're putting the toys in the back of the van, Jon tells her he's not speaking to her b/c she embarrassed him. Later when they're on the couch being interviewed, and Jon repeats how humiliated he was, Kate says something like "sorry....I guess I just don't notice people."
I really like the background music in the video. It's the song from the baseball scene in the first Twilight movie.
I appreciate Admin's efforts to remind us of THE REAL Kate Gosselin even if it is extremely aggravating to watch. No wonder Julie May Carson is working so hard to re-make Kate's image.
Kate basically trashed the maid on primetime television. Was this woman able to get another job after that? It's a big no no for an employer to disparage a former employee. So I wonder if Kate was shielded by TLC and/or the maid agency. It's just so wrong.
Not working for Kate Gosselin is the best thing that could have happened for this poor woman.
I remember thinking at the time that she never even gave that young lady a chance, why not give additional instruction and give her another shot. And also how cruel of TLC and the film company to humiliate that young housekeeper on TV like that. A young cleaning lady trying to earn an HONEST living, had to be humiliated in order to make Katie look better.
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BeDoneNow, I felt the same way when I originally saw that episode.
Administrator, thanks for the video. Well done! And I agree, Kate has a real sh*tty way of treating people. To her, the hired help are nothing but peons.
Hippie Chick said... If you all were given a chance, & you saw Kate strolling along, would you tell her off? What would you say? ___________________________________________
Sometimes I read your posts and the "other" Judy's posts and think I wrote them. Like you, I do speak up when I see a child being abused and did it recently and also love animals and do my best to help when I can; however, if I saw Kate in public, I would simply look her straight in the eyes, roll my eyes at her, and walk away. In other words, "Kate, you are IRRELEVANT." Because, if I said anything, I would be, you know, "jealous." (Wink)
I just hate it when my cleaning lady won't speak english to me and doesn't cleanish behind the stove or fridge!! Sooooo irritating!!!
Again, a perfect example of how someone else didn't know how to help the Queen of Mean.
I have often fantasized about winning the lottery but then I stop myself and think, if I did win, would I hire people to do the housecleaning and cooking for me. Realistically, no I wouldn't. Not that I can do it better but because there is a certain satisfaction in doing things for oneself. Taking pride in one's accomplishments, whether it be as simple as vacuuming once a week or getting up and going to work every day.
Kate, on the other hand, views all of her riches as an excuse to not do any of those things because she is too good for it. Yet in the same breath, she knows better how to do it so anyone who does those things for her (cleaning, cooking, taking care of the children) doesn't know how to do it as well as she does. She doesn't want to do all those things but she certainly thinks no one does them as well as she can.
I'd also love to hear your theory/ies as to why Hate is so mean and ugly.
Re: the housekeeper/cleaning woman. When it originally aired, I wondered if it was all phony and the woman was either a TLC P.A. or an actress doing a part. Now that I know EVERYTHING about TLC and the Gosselins IS PHONY, I'm almost positive it wasn't a "real" cleaning woman. Anyone else?
Well, Kate supposedly. If she is OCD and a germaphobe like she "claims". About 4 times a year, I'll take my books off my bookcase & clean underneath, but certainly not once a week when I clean. It would take forever. Kate is just once again playing her part for the cameras in this episode.
Remember Joan Crawford in Mildred Pearce, and how we all felt sorry for her and cheered her on? Well a lot of us, myself included, were still cheering Kate on back then. How dare some no-account half-miler of a maid leave dust behind when the health of 6 premies was at stake? If only I knew then what I know now...
Racist much? said... "A day without a Mexican" WTF???????????????? &&&&&&&&&&&7 I cannot believe I have to explain this. Of course I'm not racist. A day without a Mexican is a mantra that a lot of immigrants stand by when anyone says we should stop immigration. In other words, don't thumb your nose at everyone who doesn't speak perfect English or a lot wouldn't get done in this country.
My point was that Kate doesn't appreciate that all kinds of people make this country run, not just English-ish speaking Americans. She practically rolled her eyes when she had to bring up the housekeeper's English was bad. If anyone is racist, or at least sheltered, it's Kate.
How do we know that they haven't? The cameras aren't on her 24/7. Do you really think she would admit that someone gave her a piece of their mind? &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&77 It seems to me a lot more likely scenrio is that a great deal of people HAVE told Kate off. And then they get sent to the black hole along with everyone else Kate has estranged. Kate has far too many estranged people not in her life for all of them to be bad and Kate is the good one.
IIRC, the doctor was quoted in a local piece after the show ran, saying something like, that's just her; everyone knows how Kate is. They left it at that, which seems to be the way a lot of people manage to write her off.
I did hear a woman from Reading call her 'old news' on one of the INF clips awhile back when Kate came out of the nail salon, but that wasn't to her face and it certainly wasn't giving her a piece of her mind.
A lot of people get starstruck when they see celebrities and I guess Kate qualifies as a celebrity at the Target store, even though the celebrity status would be about the same as seeing the weatherperson from the local tv channel out shopping.
(with apologies to all the weatherpersons out there)
She practically rolled her eyes when she had to bring up the housekeeper's English was bad. If anyone is racist, or at least sheltered, it's Kate. ===== And even then, she had to make it all about herself and all the 'barriers' she already faced and having to deal with another 'barrier', meaning the housekeeper's English, was just too much for poor schmoopy to bear. She can't even fake a fucking apology without insulting someone.
alana said... Now that I know EVERYTHING about TLC and the Gosselins IS PHONY, I'm almost positive it wasn't a "real" cleaning woman. ============= I don't believe EVERYTHING about the Gosselins IS PHONY, like Kate saying she doesn't notice people and her talking about her "weirdities" (compulsions) and Jon asking her when she's going to "take the stick out", her yelling at Jon because he didn't use a coupon, or when Mady put a sign on her bedroom door about no cameras allowed, etc., etc., etc.
If EVERYTHING were scripted, they'd all have to be excellent actors and Kate is no actor (and I don't think Jon is either). She's said it herself, and has also said she cannot hide her emotions. It's about the only thing she's ever said that I believe.
Lol, AuntieAnn. When I was working part-time at a department store during college our local news anchor purchased something at my cash register. Yup, I was starstruck. It's always surreal the first time you see someone in person who you've previously only seen on TV.
Seems Kate has said or done mean things to many people and then tried to turn the tables by saying she needs her "fans". OK, been there done that-never again. This woman is a selfish child using bimbo that only does stuff for the camera's. Including mothering her own children. Even a show with just her or her on any show I will never watch. She has caused so much pain to her children without a blink. To Jon to as bad as some think he is, well-she sure used him until the last minute and then divorced him so she could control EVERTYTHING! Yes, her quest toward fame and fortune come will always push her family to the side. But the bad thing is, she will always put herself first in everthing that she wants. Seems the children are just background for what she wants. Jon was too! Like she said when moving into the new house "mine, all mine". She knew then she was going to divorce Jon so she could move on and do what she and only she wanted. Horrible and yes, treating the cleaning ladies and the statement about the fridge was really awful. She had pretty much lost me then and not long after I knew Kate was not welcome in my home in any way shape or form. Twist of Kate-well it it does air it will all be staged too because Kate does for Kate not other people. No one gets to go play for a few days and then leaves and has everyone do everything for themselves. Reality show? WRONG, just another lie being filmed. Poor kids will never have a mom home to be a real mom! Nope, done with KG and all that she stands for. I don't buy anything that sponsors her show or any show she is on nor do I buy those photo shoped magazines that pays her to not be home with the kids. It's a shame and just sad to think of all the pain those children endure with such a selfish control freak for a mom. Jon, he is trying but not alot he can do if his hands are tied by Kate hounding him to sign for her to work the kids. Yes, more money for her by them working and by Jon's child support payments. Plus looks like she is trying to control when he has the children. He is their father and he seems happy! Leave him alone Kate, go bury your head in the sand and go away! You make mommie dearest look good! Gina needs to wake up also, I feel bad for her children. Kate dresses like a skank and a .25 cent street walker and that kind of sums it up, cougar or milf? Both and one day she will be sad and more alone than she is now. Hope it is soon!
ok here goes... this is just a theory though! I am not attempting to start an internet rumor!!
I think Kate had a rough childhood with her dad, who perhaps was controlling and hurtful to her. (Read into that what you want). And a very very passive mother who did or said nothing to protect her. Hence the constant "They dont know how to help me" and "they dont understand my needs", not just about her parents but also doctors, PA taxpayers, housekeepers, husband, her own children, everyone.
Kate hates men, ("men, arent they lovely" 10,000 times), Kate must be in charge (so she doesnt get hurt) Kate doesnt see other people (totally enveloped in her own anger, no one else matters), She is frantic for ANY kind of attention (one of her parents, or both, never gave) She is eager to show herself as a very sexual being in order to say "I will make you desire me but will never have me because I am the one in charge now. I own YOU!".
'No one understands poor Katie', waawaa, but very common among those who grew up keeping very painful secrets. Kevin perhaps was the brother who got it, who knew, who did what little he could to protect her or just to help her through however they were growing up. NEEDING Kevin emotionally messes up her growing control needs (she is festering and escalating, we can all agree on that), so Kevin had to go. And that passive (in kate's eyes) little wife of his too.
Just my frickin' TV theory. I have never met nor evaluated/assessed or treated Kate or anyone connected to her. (admin, is that enough of a disclaimer?)
Administrator said... I cannot believe I have to explain this. Of course I'm not racist. A day without a Mexican is a mantra that a lot of immigrants stand by when anyone says we should stop immigration.
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I'm on the East Coast, and even I know what it means! The film maker (of A day Without A Mexican, 2004) stated, "We will be documenting the process and the outcome in hopes of furthering the discussion of the contribution made to our society and economy by not just the Latino immigrants but all immigrants. That these contributions increase productivity and raise the standard of living for all of us."
The sheeple should do a little research before they jump on here and accuse someone of being a racist. Oops...sorry! This time, though, it might really be over their heads!
Administrator said... I cannot believe I have to explain this. Of course I'm not racist. A day without a Mexican is a mantra that a lot of immigrants stand by when anyone says we should stop immigration. ~~~ I didn't think you were being racist, but I had NO idea what that meant. I am on the 'right coast' though, so thought it might be a 'left coast' thing! LOL
Wow, BeDoneNow, that's quite a theory. Kate said herself she was the "forgotten middle child" - wouldn't there be backup to this theory, i.e., another sib besides Kevin. If Kate really was abused I might just start to feel sorry for her. But just a tiny bit... Jon and the kids come first.
"A Day Without a Mexican" is a movie. It was handed to me one day by a Mexican who works in the local Mexican restaurant. He was very proud of that movie's theme because it raised up the Mexican as a major force behind our economy. Without the Mexicans being willing to work here in the USA, things would begin to crumble because Americans don't necessarily want the work the Mexicans are willing to take on.
Yes it is both a movie and a mantra embraced by many immigrants. It IS pro-Mexican and pro-immigration. Every year in LA we have a Day Without a Mexican day where many immigrants do not go into work as a statement. There is nothing not PC or negative about the statement. It's actually quite a positive mantra about contributions certain groups have made to this country. That sheeple jumped all over me for being racist without doing a simple Google search to realize the phrase is actually pro-immgiration, lol. They're just waiting to pounce like little tigers. Relax, breathe. And if it weren't just a sheeple I would be thoroughly insulted and hurt to be labeled racist.
No matter how you feel about immigration, if someone is here, regardless how they got here, they deserve respect and dignity. Kate showed none of those to her housekeeper.
And by the way I don't think anyone is racist if they are against immigration to this country. That's not the definition of racism. Either way people feel, I think we can agree all people deserve respect. It's Kate who doesn't agree.
Laura D... a fierce secret is a fierce secret, Her family doesnt speak out on anything, let alone whatever would have happened 25, 30 years ago.
I do feel sorry for her too, always have, because I believe she is very mentally ill and is being treated like a display in a freak show, instead of getting the help that she needs. TLC has put her on freak-display and we have paid money to see her. What enrages me is that she is far too ill to nurture 8 little children and American society is watching this happen in front of our eyes. At some point those kids will have a right to point their fingers at US and say "How could you?" (and the sheeple will respond 'well it was ok because you got to go on trips; dont be so ungrateful').
Every Barbara Walters, every check, every flashbulb that comes her way reinforces her ill dysfunctional behavior and thought processes, and lessens the chance that she will ever be well or whole. JMO and it's late and I should shut up now. Sorry for this admin.
BeDoneNow, I think you are spot on. It's like that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away.
One of the psychologists who wrote about Kate, her name escapes me but she took a lot of hate for it, basically said that Kate TOO is being exploited. It is so very true. There aren't just 8 kids being exploited here. I guess the difference is if you are an adult that's your choice. Still doesn't make it right.
I just feel bad about how sexist and cache like she treats her kids:
Little Girls Boys Cara and Mady
And in that order probably. I don't think she pays enough attention to the twins probably because they aren't what gave her the show and they are older and therefore have more opinions.
She does a lot more things with just the little girls than I have ever seen her do with her sons. Has anyone ever noticed Kate has never called her childre, "my son/sons, my daughter/daughters?" No its always, "the little girls, the boys, the big girls." That's sort of struct me as weird. Am I the only one?
Her dirt issue seems to be rubbing off on a few of her children, Collin who freaked out because he was dirty as Jon told him, "Your mother has warped you." Then one the children asks,"Sit on the dirty floor?" Which was more recent.
I felt so bad when she said, "i don't know how to deal with boys, they are strange to us, boys are just icky, they just are. Oh your nails are horendous child!" Then the potty training she tells one of her sons, "Sit there until you go, don't get up." And she leaves the room, turning out the light! Freak! And I know it was Joel she said either he was taking this too slow or that it shouldn't be this hard they had somewhere to go or something. Call me crazy but shouldn't when you potty trian it shouldn't be that negative? Just sad. I mean those statements are going to be with the chld the rest of their lives and on th, internet for years to come. Its sick, and its really sad.
I hope Cara and Madelyn at least have a private happy 10th birthday this 8th of October. They seemed to get shafted when it comes to birthday celebrations.
Kate mentioned during a couch interview that she was 'overparented' as a child. I find it ironic that she is such a militant, controlling tyrant with her own kids when she chooses to interact with them. She also seems to carry lots of animosity towards her parents for not taking them on vacations, justifying the opportunity to travel with her kids on the show. I think she was a forgettable kid and a have-not. She seems to really want to show someone, anyone, that she now has fame and money. Probably to make up for being a homely, unpopular, mediocre student from a lower middle class family. She wasn't even the prettiest sister; Clarissa was much cuter than kate as a teen. She wore ugly thick glasses as a kid, maybe that's why she was so upset that Aaden needed glasses. She didn't go to the most prestigious schools. She didn't get to travel. She was probably envious of the pretty, popular, rich girls and therefore has her kids in that pricy school and brags about how beautiful she is (roll eyes) and how cute her kids are (yeah, but not cuter than other 6 and 9 year olds). Sounds like she wasn't mistreated so much as always entitled. She always thought she deserved to be more than what she was: not all that. Sadly, she is now notorious, but for all the wrong reasons. All those pretty rich girls are probably still laughing at her
BeDoneNow, I agree with you that she does talk smack about men every chance she gets and she's made it plain that little boys are just icky little versions of them. But my personal opinion of her is that she grew up being a lazy spoiled brat who if she didn't want to dry the dishes she just wouldn't. She was probably hiding out somewhere playing mommy with her Cabbage Patch dolls hatching her plans while everyone else did her chores. She still does it only on a grander scale.
However after having said that, I would not put it past her to say that she was sexually abused as a child - if things get financially tough for her now and she starts to fade into the background. She is just that conniving and greedy enough to throw that into the mix to have it play out in public. Like everything else when it serves her purpose she will go on a talk show or to her favorite magazine to tell her story to get the attention back on her. And before I get jumped on I will add that IF she was abused it would be tragic.
BeDoneNow, how right you are, I have vacillated between despising her and feeling sorry for her that she's mentally ill and cannot even understand that she needs help. It's the curse of a narcissist to feel they know it all and it's always someone's elses fault.
However, I cannot let this go without saying, while we can discuss how she's been exploited by TLC, Barbara Walters, whoever has used her for ratings, etc., are we going to say that without taking any responsibility for exploiting her? Don't we treat her "like a display in a freak show" as well?
And regarding "that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away" aren't we feeding the squirrel instead of NOT feeding her so she'll "go away?"
I don't even know if my thoughts on this delicate subject will be published but it's worthy of discussion.
Marie, I agree that Kate is incredibly sexist and plays favorites with her kids. Personally, I think the order of preference in her pea brain is as follows: Hannah > the other little girls > the twins > the boys. She berated the boys to be 'men' even before they were in Kindergarten. Whenever some chore needs to be done, she often runs the boys around even if one of the girls is there. She didn't attend any of the boys' special days for JK8. She was so evil when she didnt let the boys eat their bday cupcakes for some bullshit reason. She also spoke megatively about men, Jon in particular, in front of the kids. She hasseled Jon about not doing anything right, always telling him that a husband should do this or that, implying somehow that he wasn't pulling his weight. This mistreatment of their father must have imprinted negative memories in those kids' heads. I have no idea how she could be so disparaging of her own sons. Boys ARE different from girls, but not better or worse. And even if her boys are dirtier or less advanced than her girls, so what? Don't you still love all your kids equally? Boys are supposed to mature more slowly than girls in general anyway. And for the record, I see no evidence that her boys are dirty or slow compared to their sisters. Those poor boys seem to have accepted their place in the pecking order, and it's so sad. They are sweet kids, though, and hopefully they will grow up to be kind to women, like their dad is, rather than feel the need to overpower women once they are freed from their horrible mother.
You know, I almost wish her parents and her sister's would step in and say something to the many lies and untruths Kate has claimed or stated. I mean if I was one of her sibs, HECK NO would I still be kept quiet!
I don't feel sorry for her. This is just my opinion, but I think she's a narcissistic con artist who exploits her children and will continue to do so if the opportunity presents itself. I'm more inclined to think she was a handful as a child (instigator, whiner, getting siblings in trouble, etc.). The "no one understands her or can help her" is her way of saying she doesn't really give a crap about others and everyone needs to bend down and kiss her feet. (Again, just my opinion)
I interpret "nobody knows how to help me" as Kate-speak for "they want to give me what they have determined I need, but I want what I want". Cribs she needed; she got cribs that were safe and quite nice. But they were not what she wanted. She had a perfectly functional kitchen in her new house; it wasn't the right color or something, so the kitchen she could have been thankful for needed to be completely redone to suit her need to have a new kitchen. She wanted a housekeeper to keep up the house; she got a woman who washed and dried piles of laundry, folded sheets, changed the sheets on at least 8 beds, swept up the kitchen floor, probably worked on the kids' play room for an hour that day, but didn't get around to chasing down the dirt hidden on a bookcase/cabinet and behind the hamper on that particular day. The large duty cleaning was what Kate needed, but it was not what she wanted. She wanted the details done. NOW.
It's so sad when I see people just lost in the minutae of life and can't see the larger picture. Kate is too busy looking down for a speck of dirt that she doesn't appreciate the house that dirt is in.
Kate is right. No one knows how to help her. People have tried. She has been the recipient of much kindness and generosity. But no one knows how to make her love her kids more than she loves money and attention. No one can convince her that she was lucky to have been married to Jon. No one is allowed access to her little paychecks if they offer sound advice meant to protect those kids. How can you help someone who won't listen unless you tell them exactly what they already think? And what do you do when that person's thinking is warped and detrimental to herself and her kids and ex-husband? How do you help someone who vindictive and selfish and mentally ill? Yes, Kate, no one knows how to help you and it's gotten to the point where no one wants to help you anymore. Enjoy your sexless, friendless, joyless life, bitch.
Probably to make up for being a homely, unpopular, mediocre student from a lower middle class family.
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Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school.
That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue. If she would admit that she needs help, it would be available to her. However, in order to enter a treatment program, one has to be aware that there is a problem. She would never admit that. Only time will tell how this sad saga will end.
I haven't posted or read in awhile. My Dad died on September 11 (of all days) after being in and out of ICU for 3 weeks. He was 88 so it was a blessing that he was very healthly up until the last 3 weeks of his life.
Anyway, I have been reading and catching up with all the comments tonight and have been very impressed by all the smart and insightful ones. I really think this website has been helpful in holding Kate's feet to the fire. The public no doubt has gradually "caught on" to her and will continue to do so. You know what struck me, I don't know why, but we all feel like Kate has been around forever getting break and break. At least I feel that way. But in reality, it hasn't even been a year since their divorce. It's only been about 18 months or so since the "major rumblings hit the fan" when Jon STARTED getting caught, per say, with other woman. To me it feels like this mess (Kate getting her way and making her way in public) has been years in the making. You know, I think there is a good shot that she not be around for much longer. Oh, she will pop up here and there through the years because of her 8 children, but I think the majority of her "heyday" is going to be well over in the next 6 months or so. Yeah!!! And thanks for this website for being a great factor contributing. Thanks, Admin.
Khate often mentions her mother, but have never heard her mention her father, even in passing, after having watched every episode of JK8 (none of K8 just clips) and reading Beth's book and the refrigerator notes book from the library.
Admin said: I also find it ridiculous that in one breath Kate is complaining the housekeeper doesn't speak English, and in the next complaining she wasn't doing everything on the list Kate wrote. I assume the list was in English, maybe that's why she didn't follow the list. ******************
I have to say, this is a pet peeve of mine. Making fun of someone's accent or imperfect English is boorish behavior. English is their second language,so if you're not a polyglot, best keep your pie hole shut. Kate has yet to master English, so it really takes guts to point out someone else's less-than-perfect speaking capabilities. I'm talking about the servers in the Chinatown restaurant in NYC. You know, where Asian is how they communicate. What an idiot.
I know this is OT, but has anyone tried to go to Ellen's blog? When I click on the URL, it redirects me to a picture that says "Bye Hater". I am not a hater of Ellen, and have never posted there. I just wonder if anyone else has a problem. Perhaps, someone has spammed her site?
OT as well, we've talked a lot about how Kate just lives how she THINKS the rich live, not how many of them actually do. This is an extreme example but it's a good one.
This is Mark Zuckerberg's house: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/25/article-1315097-0B575EEA000005DC-773_468x286.jpg
He is the CEO of Facebook and the world's youngest billionaire.
Here's the full article about his modest lifestyle. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315097/Facebook-founder-Mark-Zuckerberg-gives-glimpse-private-life-Oprah.html
He drives a Honda and gave away a ton of money to Newark schools. It's been widely reported (and this was even mentioned in the movie in which he doesn't come across that well overall) that he NEVER did Facebook for the money, he resisted making any money off it for years because it wasn't "cool" he thought it would ruin it. It was just for fun and to meet girls. Here's another guy wise way beyond his years. I think money CAN ruin people but it doesn't have to.
Buffy... I went through SmallTownGosselins to get to her site. merely by accident. she seems to be very insightful for someone so young. I can see now she is young enough to keep up with all the kids and wise enough to know what is right and what is wrong.
My condolences Maggie. My father passed when he was 88 too back in 2002. I do miss him every day but I when I think of him it always brings a smile because he was a great man and I was very lucky to have him as my Dad.
Anon725said... That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue.
-------------------------- In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue. (if interested, you can pull that interview up on youtube)
Tess said... Anon725said... That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue.
-------------------------- In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue. (if interested, you can pull that interview up on youtube) *********** I find it very interesting that when Kate speaks about the lack of family in their lives, her emotions range from, well, nothing-a flat affect, to pure vitriol in her eyes when speaking of Kevin. She has no remorse or regret for her children's sake. They have no Grandparents (what a shame!), no aunts, uncles or cousins. A huge, huge loss and void in their lives, yet when she speaks about it, she might as well be saying "pass me a tissue". There's just nothing, and no accounts of how her kids feel about it. Now, contrast that with her account of her and her kids' reactions to the loss of their film crew, and the water works get turned on, she's always sure to mention how devastated the kids are. "Wailing in unison" or something similar is how she described it. Yet, their own family is cut out of their lives and what? there's no effect on them? How can that be? Again, Kate imposes her values, view and will on the chidren.
Thanks, Admin for the video. Very interesting. I, too, believe Kate's chest has been "blown-up". All the lies out of her mouth just need to stop. Apparently, she passes on that "unhappy childhood" to anyone within earshot. This is a sad story that will end badly.
In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue.
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When has she ever told the truth? She's a narcissist and as such, she's blaming everyone for everything. I wouldn't put any stock in what she says in an interview.
In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue. ============== If it's a clue to anything it would be that she's a histrionic narcissist. Being a middle child to Kate means 'forgotten'. She couldn't just be the middle child and leave it at that. I mean really, how DARE her parents have children before or after her, when all they really should have needed was Kate. So of course in her head that justifies declaring her childhood 'unhappy'.
Typical of Kate to trash the poor woman on national tv and then dump her. What about giving her a chance to learn how the Queen of Mean wants the cleaning done? But then Kate couldn't play the martyr.
I'm more inclined to think she was a handful as a child (instigator, whiner, getting siblings in trouble, etc.). ----------
In the "Kate-Her Story" episode with Natalie Morales, Kate said that her brother Kevin would often take the blame for her, saying "Katie no do it. I do it." I'm beginning to wonder if Kate, even as a youngster, bullied and controlled him into taking the blame so she wouldn't be wrong and get in trouble. That, or again, she doesn't like boys, so she may have wanted to see her own brother get in trouble. This is just a theory, I could be totally wrong.
Maggie said... I haven't posted or read in awhile. My Dad died on September 11 (of all days) after being in and out of ICU for 3 weeks. He was 88 so it was a blessing that he was very healthly up until the last 3 weeks of his life. __________________________________
My condolences Maggie. My dad died nine years ago one week before 911 at the age of 79; my mom always said that if his heart had not killed him, 911 would have. I hope your happy memories of your father sustain you and your family during this trying time.
Ellen is just a girlfriend to Jon, so why does everyone bash her (sheeples)? Leave the girl alone, she has a nice government job and seems real nice. She seems to like him and his kids. I really think she should be left alone.
Regarding Kate and OCD....I believe that it is very similar to Kate and her "low blood sugar." She throws medical terms around casually all of the time - says "I have OCD" and "I have low blood sugar" without regards to the fact that they are very real medical conditions that real people suffer from. She also uses the term "stomach flu" when there is no such thing, and I'm sure if I spent some time thinking about it (which I'm not going to!), I could come up with other examples. You'd think a nurse would use medical terms more appropriately. Oh - another one is that she said "we went through fertility" instead of "we went through fertility treatments" or "we had infertility."
Did anyone see the guy on Big Brother this summer who said that his wife had a serious disease in order to get further in the game? He was bashed BIG time for it. But the thing with Kate is very similar - oh look at me, I have OCD, that's why I'm like this (no, you're just a control freak and mean.) Oh look at me, I have low blood sugar (no, you're just tired and hungry and want to be fed first before your children and your entourage and all of the other people in the restaurant.)
I've never heard Kate actually say she has OCD. I thought that was an assumption made by others. Actually I never heard her say "we went through fertility" either. That's an odd thing to say. I doubt I saw every episode though, so I no doubt missed some things.
Robin said... Regarding Kate and OCD....I believe that it is very similar to Kate and her "low blood sugar." She throws medical terms around casually all of the time - says "I have OCD" and "I have low blood sugar" without regards to the fact that they are very real medical conditions that real people suffer from.
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Technically, OCD is not a "medical condition." It's diagnosed using the DSM-IV, which is basically a check-list of symptoms/behaviors, assessing mental health "disorders" (it's also used to assess eating disorders, ADHD, and alcoholism, to name a few "disorders" that are not proven to be "medically" based).
That said, I agree with you 100%: Kate throws around medical terms so carelessly and often incorrectly, it's frightening that this woman has a nursing license. As for her alleged OCD --that is a crock and a half. She's a control-freak who needs to micro-manage every aspect of her kids' lives -- and NOT from the stand-point of an over-protective, loving mother. She sucks the joy out of their playtime, vactations, meals, lives -- all because she needs to CONTROL them. That is not OCD. That's just buzzkill bitchiness. She's also not the germaphobe she professes to be (no self-respecting germaphobe would be caught dead walking the streets of NYC BAREFOOT). These "diagnoses" are just TLC's lame attempt to give dimension and character to an otherwise uninteresting and not-so-smart-ish shrew. It's also a lame attempt to cover/excuse her impatience and bitchiness. [Pssst, TLC: It's not working].
FOE-Thanks for giving me Ellen's email. I did email and received a very gracious reply. She seems like a very nice person, with a good head on her shoulders.
Admin-Sorry for the OT posts. I just realized that maybe you should delete the post with Ellen's email. From what she says, she gets a lot of hate mail and hate messages. Thanks
If indeed it is Kate's mother posting on the sheeple site (and I have serious doubts it is), does Mrs. Kreider have no self-esteem whatsoever? How can she support her daughter on a public blog, when Kate does nothing but talk smack about her entire family, mother included? It's baffling.
Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school. ----------- Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"... "Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough." _____________ OK...now between this and "I had a VERY unhappy childhood" in her Natalie interview, Kate surely saw her childhood differently than you saw it, Anon725. This woman, Kate Gosselin, definitely needs some psychological help. (btw, how terrible was it for Kate to throw her mom and dad under the bus like that in the Natalie interview without clarifying her statement?...it left us all alone with our imaginations. ugh)
I have looked up & down this damn internet, & cannot find anything on People's sales for Kate's cover. Yep, I'm bored. I know today was the day the issue was to be pulled off the shelves just by reading the blogs, & it's been pulled for awhile now. Either it bombed, or the numbers just aren't out yet. I'm hoping on bombing. Did you notice they put her on the cover when they did the Best/Worst dressed list for the year? I think they probably thought the magazine wouldn't have sold otherwise. What's this obsession that Kate Coyle(?) chick has for KG anyways? Hopefully, the issue was a total failure & Kate won't be gracing anymore covers. You'll all be happy to know she wasn't in US Weekly. In Touch or Star this week. (I buy them for my mom).
That must really get her. When once she used to be in them all the time, now, not nary a blip. Love it! Fading fast, Kate Gosselin!
Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school. ----------- Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"... "Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough." _____________ OK...now between this and "I had a VERY unhappy childhood" in her Natalie interview, Kate surely saw her childhood differently than you saw it, Anon725. This woman, Kate Gosselin, definitely needs some psychological help. (btw, how terrible was it for Kate to throw her mom and dad under the bus like that in the Natalie interview without clarifying her statement?...it left us all alone with our imaginations. ugh)
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So if someone were to interview random people who grew up in your neighborhood about your childhood and their perceptions differed from yours, would you immediately seek psychological help? According to your logic, if the perspectives of outsiders were to differ from your own perceptions, their perceptions would be more valid.
I'm curious what the alleged "Kate's mom" has to say about Kate's unhappy childhood. If her mom had nothing to do with it, why didn't Kate say, I had an unhappy childhood except for my mother? She's such a fraud.
I'm curious what the alleged "Kate's mom" has to say about Kate's unhappy childhood. If her mom had nothing to do with it, why didn't Kate say, I had an unhappy childhood except for my mother? She's such a fraud.
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How are you in a position to know whether Kate had an unhappy childhood? You weren't part of it, so you have no basis for judgment. Not to mention that "happiness" is subjective so if she feels aspects of her childhood were not happy, that's neither right nor wrong, it's simply her perception. She didn't claim her entire childhood was miserable, she said that parts were not happy. I'd venture that many people would say the same if they were being honest. That doesn't equate to evil, horrible parents, it just means that most people's lives are not the embodiment of a Norman Rockwell painting.
Kate uses the terms "OCD" and "Low Blood Sugar" to justify and excuse her behavior. As in "It's not my fault, I have OCD" or "It's not my fault, I have low blood sugar".
Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
PatE said...Abusers always isolate their victims from loved ones. It's about control, control, control. =========== Exactly. That's why Kevin and Jodi got the boot. Kate can't risk her children having confidantes, it would ruin her.
How are you in a position to know whether Kate had an unhappy childhood? &&&&&&&&&&& Kate said herself she had an "unhappy" childhood. We are supposed to believe Kate in everything else she said, but now we're not supposed to believe her when she said she had an unhappy childhood?
Unhappiness is really just an opinion anyway not a fact. I have no idea if Kate's childhood was unhappy or not. It was unhappy in her mind. Let me put it this way, I am just curious what is Kate's "mother's" response to all the negativity Kate has expressed about her childhood as well as her cryptic, the grandparents are not part of our lives statement. I'm just curious if this person has ever addressed the white elephant, that's all.
Personally I think it's tacky to tell a national TV audience your childhood was unhappy without giving the people responsible for that childhood, namely her parents, a forum to respond. Exactly what Kate did to the housekeeper. I think the public forum to rip on whoever she wants to knowing they really can't respond went to Kate's head.
Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"... "Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough."
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I didn't read the book, but I'm not so sure that I would believe everything that she wrote. She does have a credibility problem and a history of contradicting herself. She's not really a believable person, although being afraid that she would never have enough most likely is true. It continues to be true -- she's never going to be satisfied with what she has.
It wasn't my intention to make any psychological evaluations here. I was responding to the person who said that Kate was homely, unpopular, from a lower middle class family, was a mediocre student who didn't go to a prestigious private school.
I only call it as I remember it:
1. Kate was not homely in high school. 2. Kate was a cheerleader. Cheerleaders are not unpopular, homely nerds. 3. Kate's father was a businessman who owned acres and acres of prime ag land in Lancaster County. 4. Kate did not go to a public school. She graduated from a private school that has a fine reputation in the area.
Somewhere, somehow, something went terribly wrong in her life and only she knows what it is. I seem to recall Jon saying in the interview with the rabbi (directed to Kate) that she knows what's wrong and she knows how to fix it. She does need to see a mental health professional, but I think her narcissism isn't going to allow it. She has no circle of friends or close family who would step in and tell her that she needs help. She wouldn't listen anyway. Something's gotta give, and I think it's going to be sooner rather than later.
silimom said... Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but I have to add to my post about OCD and the DSM-IV from above. NOBODY "has" OCD. You're diagnosed as exhibiting behaviors consistent with an OCD traits, but there is no such thing as an OCD "disease." It's not a medical diagnosis or condition, or something one "has." You just check enough boxes on the diagnostic check-list to qualify as being characterized as one with the condition. It's not a medical diagnosis. IMO, Kate sees OCD as an admirable condition, as those who suffer from it tend to be hyper-organized and focus on details to the extreme. I think Kate/TLC assumed this would add to Kate’s image as the hyper-organized mom. I think history has proven that Kate is anything but organized, and that she suffers from delusions of grandeur, and not from OCD. But, as I stated above, I'm "in agreeance" (gag) with you, silimom -- Kate is self-diagnosing in order to excuse some pretty inexcusable behavior.
How do we know that the "unhappy childhood" isn't all in her mind -- a fabricated excuse for the miserable person she is now? She admitted that she isn't well liked, and this could be her way of justifying her short-comings. Don't narcissists put the blame on everyone for everything?
First...my condolences to Maggie. I care for my 83 y.o. father and I dread the day he passes...I truly dread it.
Kate is a very unlikeable person in general...I feel that it's because she's a narcissistic abuser. But to me, the bigger issue is TLC....and the tactics used by them. IMO, the level of accountability with which Kate can be held doesn't even come close to the level TLC should be. One is a person with some likely psychiatric issues and the other entity is a corporation. And as has already been mentioned here...they have also taken Kate for a ride as well, most likely.
Anyone who has ever tried to get photographs of their young children knows full well how many hours and hours it must take to get enough usable film....and then there's all the magazine posed group photos....and can pretty well imagine how much those kids work...a LOT.
There are always going to be parents who don't raise their kids exactly as we think they should. But to have an entire corporation complicit in committing what I consider to be almost blatant child abuse is absolutely NOT acceptable.
How do we know that the "unhappy childhood" isn't all in her mind -- a fabricated excuse for the miserable person she is now? She admitted that she isn't well liked, and this could be her way of justifying her short-comings. Don't narcissists put the blame on everyone for everything?
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Exactly. If she can go on The View and talk about carrying around a purse full of bills she can't pay, she can say anything.
Who is watching the chickens said... However, I cannot let this go without saying, while we can discuss how she's been exploited by TLC, Barbara Walters, whoever has used her for ratings, etc., are we going to say that without taking any responsibility for exploiting her? Don't we treat her "like a display in a freak show" as well?
And regarding "that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away" aren't we feeding the squirrel instead of NOT feeding her so she'll "go away?"
I don't even know if my thoughts on this delicate subject will be published but it's worthy of discussion. **--** Who Is Watching, good points and they ARE worthy of discussion. Apparently not here, however (Did someone above mention the elephant in the living room thingy? LOL) One day this will all be discussed. Of course you could start your own kind of blog!? Just sayin....
It's a Circle, we have discussed the issue of whether the blogs keep this family going many, many times in many other threads. We have discussed this topic for months. Go back and read some great discussion about this topic.
Please do not suggest that I don't allow this topic to be discussed because I have and given people a ton of liberty to do so. If you would like to discuss it again, you are welcome to. Go ahead.
Also just a friendly reminder please don't use the expression "just sayin'" anymore. It has a condesending tone to it and I don't like it. This goes for everyone.
First off, added condolences to Maggie. My FIL passed away in March at age 91 - such a loss.
Secondly, and totally off topic, but last night I watched a special on Tiger Woods (on CBC) called Tiger Woods: The Rise and Fall http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/2010/tigerwoods/ The show highlighted an affair he had many years ago with a local waitress. He was busted by a tabloid (sorry, can NOT remember which one) and in exchange for the tabloid not publishing the story Tiger agreed to be on the cover of Men's Health magazine. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233559/Tiger-Woods-8-hour-diner-waitress-deal-kept-affair-news.html Totally made me wonder what is going on with Kate that she is on so many magazine covers?!
Administrator said... Also just a friendly reminder please don't use the expression "just sayin'" anymore. It has a condesending tone to it and I don't like it. This goes for everyone. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From Julie Klam, author of "You Had Me at Woof." As published in Reader's Digest in their October issue.
"Just Sayin'"
They're two little words innocuous enough on their own, though together they are poison. Just Sayin' is the Hummel Lil' Rascal of figures of speech, harmless until you look closer and see the slingshot in his back pocket. The way it's used is in the form of a pulled punch. "No one above the age of seven should be seen chewing gum. Just sayin'." "My boss smells like a brewery. Just sayin'." It's like a coy kicking of the dirt. "I'm going to say something offensive, but by adding these two words, I won't have to take responsibility for it."
“It's a Circle, we have discussed the issue of whether the blogs keep this family going many, many times in many other threads. We have discussed this topic for months. Go back and read some great discussion about this topic.”
--> Sorry, I’ve missed those discussions. Not sure how I’d find them.
“Please do not suggest that I don't allow this topic to be discussed because I have and given people a ton of liberty to do so. If you would like to discuss it again, you are welcome to. Go ahead.”
-->I wasn’t the one who suggested that you wouldn’t allow this topic be discussed. That was “Who Is Watching…Chickens.” I appreciate the openness of this blog.
--> Regarding the friendly reminder, I apologize. I didn’t realize that phrase was offensive.
They're two little words innocuous enough on their own, though together they are poison. Just Sayin' is the Hummel Lil' Rascal of figures of speech, harmless until you look closer and see the slingshot in his back pocket. The way it's used is in the form of a pulled punch. "No one above the age of seven should be seen chewing gum. Just sayin'." "My boss smells like a brewery. Just sayin'." It's like a coy kicking of the dirt. "I'm going to say something offensive, but by adding these two words, I won't have to take responsibility for it." _______________________________________
I didn't know how politically incorrect I was. I hate when that happens.
Just Sayin', I don't have an objection to you using the phrase as your screenname. What I'm getting tired of is folks ending their post with the phrase. Just say what you mean, no need to add just saying, or for that matter, IMO, and so on. If you need to add those qualifiers then don't post at all.
I'm not usually nitpicky but for some reason this has been grating on me.
I'm curious what the alleged "Kate's mom" has to say about Kate's unhappy childhood. If her mom had nothing to do with it, why didn't Kate say, I had an unhappy childhood except for my mother? She's such a fraud. October 4, 2010 6:03 PM ------ Thanks for bringing this up, Administrator. I find it really bizarre that "Kate's mom" is allegedly posting online and not talking about Kate's "childhood" whatsoever or Kate's description of it. In fact it's even more bizarre when you read her "alleged" posts, it's like the interview about the "unhappy childhood" never happened. Strange, to say the least.
Admin, it seems to me that except for the People cover that was already in the works, Kate has been quiet ever since her appearance on the Regis show and her controversial slams against Jon. I can see damage control as a possibility. I am still wondering WHY she was in People. Other than she let it be known she was in the market for a man. Something doesn't add up.
I think it could also very well be a custody thing. Jon's got a court date in November. He may very likely accuse Kate of being a famewhore and child exploiter. Kate's got a little more than a month to do an about face--spend time with the kids, stay out of the paparazzi's way, for God sake don't film anything, and don't say ANYTHING about Jon let alone negative things. Then I can just picture that hearing, Kate's lawyers trying to say hey have you heard from her the past month, NO!
Something is up! Kart can't stay out the public eye, she lives for the attention. I think something big may be going down, she's way too quiet. Anyone heard from the purse carrier lately? Admin, I have a fun idea since it's a slow news week. Put up a Twisted Kate thread and we can all come up with job ideas that would fit her *unique* personality!?
LOL. My son had custody of his child and his ex was the same way, calling their son and actually showing up for visitation only just before court dates. This was a woman who NEVER sent her son a birthday/Christmas or any kind of gift or card either. You're right. Eventually it becomes too little too late.
Admin, how do the courts look at the situation when a divorced man or woman has a live-in significant other when children are involved? I was just curious if a judge takes this type of living arrangement into consideration when determining custody/visitation. Couples living together is so common anymore but I wasn't sure how that is viewed by the courts. In my experience it was never an issue but I'm not sure if that's always the case.
AuntieAnn said... PatE said...Abusers always isolate their victims from loved ones. It's about control, control, control. =========== Exactly. That's why Kevin and Jodi got the boot. Kate can't risk her children having confidantes, it would ruin her. ****************** It must burn Kart's arse that the children can confide in Jon. Evidence you ask? How about the clip where they were screeching in terror at going home.
****Administrator said... Knock on wood, but does anyone else think Kate has truly gone underground? I'm glad she's disappeared for awhile, but it's such odd behavior for her.
Wonder if Team Damage Control advised her to disappear for awhile while things blow over. **************** Admin, my guess would be that Kart got the memo you posted above LMAO.
Tess said...The custody hearing is Nov. 30th, that's a long time for Katie Irene to sit still. You'd think it'd be time to pump some gas soon.
I agree Tess!! Kate is too much of a fame-whore to not be in the public eye. She craves the spot light. She HAS to do something. Watch. She'll screw up somehow.
Personally I think it's tacky to tell a national TV audience your childhood was unhappy without giving the people responsible for that childhood, namely her parents, a forum to respond. Exactly what Kate did to the housekeeper. I think the public forum to rip on whoever she wants to knowing they really can't respond went to Kate's head.
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You're making assumptions. First, she didn't say she had "an unhappy childhood." She said parts of it weren't happy. There is a fundamental difference. You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc.
After reading your comments today, I feel for Kate and her children more than ever. Arm chair opinions here, that's all. To the posters who have said maybe sex abuse in her childhood by her Father, is an awful thing for anyone to say. Do you think the kids deserve to read those kind of comments later on in their lives.
"You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc." &&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Actually, Kate has said before the family was always worried about money and that she never had opportunities in childhood....seems to me that is an indirect slam at her parents. Kate never said she was bullied, was ill, or someone died. Regardless, you don't say parts were unhappy then not clarify it and then expect people to assume that had nothing to do with the people who raised you. Now THAT is an assumption.
Look at it this way. Imagine that was your daughter. Imagine your daughter said on national TV "parts of my childhood were unhappy." Then left it at that. I don't know what parent wouldn't be incredibly hurt by that. The LOGICAL assumption is that it had something to do with her family. Not saying it does, but that's the logic normal people (non-sheeple) would have. It's like how she said "certain ones" tip off the paparazzi, a statement TLC later edited out of the first episode of Kate Plus 8. She never said Jon specifically, but we all know she was talking about Jon. Come on.
Whether "parts" were unhappy or it was unhappy is splitting hairs--she told a national TV audience something negative about her childhood then didn't give anyone part of that childhood the chance to respond--tacky any which way you slice it. I don't care if she said one week of her childhood was unhappy, it's tacky. She wants people to leave her alone then she passive-aggressively discloses such personal information like that.
Fact: Kate said the grandparents are not part of their day to day lives. Fact: The grandparents have never, ever been on the show, with the exception of Jon's grandma. Fact: The grandparents have never been spoken about on the show either by the kids or Kate. Fact: The grandparents have never once been seen with the children even though the paparazzi camped out at the house for months. We saw Nana Joan and Jodi, but no grandparents. Fact: Despite all this evidence there is someone on the internet claiming that she is Kate's mom, their relationship is good, and she sees the kids.
I hope Kate's mom IS in their lives, I think kids need a grandparent. I think she needs to spend more time working with Kate through these issues Kate has. Maybe some conjoing therapy.
Thought you all would like to know one of our laws in NS. It's illegal to smoke in a vehicle with children present. Our government tries to protect our children. Too bad PA doesn't protect the Gosselin 8.
For your reading pleasure.
Couple ticketed for smoking with kid in car
A couple was ticketed for smoking in a car with a child Monday.
Halifax Regional Police stopped a vehicle in the 2400 block of Robie Street in Halifax just before 9 a.m. after officers spotted two adults smoking with an eight-year-old boy in the car.
A 39-year-old man and a woman, 30, received tickets under Nova Scotia’s Smoke-free Places Act for smoking in a vehicle with a person under 19 present.
This section of the act carries a maximum fine of $2,000 for a first offence.
Much Ado About Nothing said... Administrator said...
Personally I think it's tacky to tell a national TV audience your childhood was unhappy without giving the people responsible for that childhood, namely her parents, a forum to respond. Exactly what Kate did to the housekeeper. I think the public forum to rip on whoever she wants to knowing they really can't respond went to Kate's head.
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You're making assumptions. First, she didn't say she had "an unhappy childhood." She said parts of it weren't happy. There is a fundamental difference. You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc.
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If Kate had un unhappy childhood because a favorite person died, or because she or somebody she loved had a lot of health issues, don't you think Kate would milk that for all the sympathy it was worth? It would help people feel her pain, gather her in. No, I see her "parts of childhood" she is referring to are a definite aim at somebody, whether parents, siblings or friends whom she felt let her down in some way. In her coy way, she just threw out the statement, did not comment, and left it up to the audience to decide what to do with it.
In my work I see people do that a lot. What they want is for me to assume something basically minor is some truly earthshaking thing. They simply want the attention without you knowing that they're being overly dramatic. If you press them on it, they will tell you they don't want to discuss it, it's too painful, or that they don't want to burden you with their woes.
Administrator said…Whether "parts" were unhappy or it was unhappy is splitting hairs--she told a national TV audience something negative about her childhood then didn't give anyone part of that childhood the chance to respond--tacky any which way you slice it. I don't care if she said one week of her childhood was unhappy, it's tacky. She wants people to leave her alone then she passive-aggressively discloses such personal information like that.
I’m having difficulty following this logic. Many celebrities have said in interviews through TV, magazines and biography programs that they had unhappy childhoods. I haven’t seen the parents of these celebrities appear to defend themselves. How would that work? A celebrity says on a talk show that they had an unhappy childhood, then the talk show calls the parents and asks them to appear on a later show to defend themselves?
Hippie Chick -- I also remember that episode about the interviewing and trying housekeepers. That was the beginning of them showing us her rudeness. It was sprinkled here and there; but there was a feeling of maybe she was under such stress...and we kept watching. From what we now know, let's look at it this way: That is one woman who really dodged a bullet by not working for them regularly. I can also remember one of their couch interviews where Jon said something about the first couple of years where they had been through something like 30 babysitters. I think it was meant that the job was so overwhelming; but now we know how that household really operated.
Moose Mania said... How do we know that the "unhappy childhood" isn't all in her mind -- a fabricated excuse for the miserable person she is now? ~~~ Far be it from me to find anything to do w/Kate, that I'd 'stick up for'...but, MY (and Kates') perception is MY reality. Doesn't matter what anyone else sees, it doesn't change it for me.
I'm sure Kate's belief that her childhood wasn't happy translates to..
"I didn't get everything handed to me on a 'silver' platter".
Good law, Linda in N.S. It's a law in many Canadian provinces as well as it is in many U.S.states. Here's a PA law for your reading pleasure, Linda...it's against the law to exceed the posted speed limit. On Nov. 4, 2009 the Gettysburg (PA) Times reported that Kate Gosselin sped on Rt. 15 which bypasses Gettysburg at a speed of 84mph in a 65mph zone and fined $109.50 AND In Adams Co (PA) on Feb. 21,2010 police reported Kate Gosselin was ticketed for driving 73mph in a 55mph zone. Police also reported that Gosselin's children were in the vehicle with her. 5 days later Gosselin pled guilty and paid the $155.00 fine.
Thought you all would like to know one of our laws in NS. It's illegal to smoke in a vehicle with children present. Our government tries to protect our children. Too bad PA doesn't protect the Gosselin 8.
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That law is not unique to Nova Scotia. I live in California and it is illegal to smoke in a car with anyone under 18 present here.
Much Ado About Nothing said... You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc. -------- Exactly my point when I said she left the audience alone with our imaginations as she didn't clarify what she meant by UNHAPPY.
Administrator said.. Fact: The grandparents have never been spoken about on the show either by the kids or Kate. ~~~~ Well, there was that one time that Alexis said at the kitchen table, "daddy's at his mommy's house". Not at grandma's...strange, sad. (I think this was spoken when he had gone to "help his mom since she had a broken foot".)
Fact: The grandparents have never been spoken about on the show either by the kids or Kate.
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Didn't she say ON THE SHOW that her father would start projects and never finish them? I can't remember her exact words -- or was it something like things needed to be done around the house and he just never got around to doing them?
I can relate. I grew up in upper middle class mid-sized city. I lived in a 4 bedroom house with an intact family in a loving home. I was a member of the country club, and had just about everything I needed.
I still wasn't happy. My friends' parents had more money, bigger cars, more expensive clothes. I was jealous, and I felt deprived.
I know it was stupid to feel that way - NOW. I grew out of it and came to appreciate all my parents provided for me and where their priorities lay. But I can't deny I thought my friends' parents loved them more because every time they wanted a new outfit, a new car, a new gadget, they got it. I didn't. I was mad at my parents for not treating me the way I thought I deserved.
I see a lot of Kate in myself when I was a kid. Fortunately, I grew up. She may still be locked into the "I deserved better" mode, and may be why she is showering her children with the lavish home, the fashion ensembles, the pricey school and driving the big flashy car. It's not a loving home, it's a home where the material things measure your value.
Anonymous said... After reading your comments today, I feel for Kate and her children more than ever. Arm chair opinions here, that's all. To the posters who have said maybe sex abuse in her childhood by her Father, is an awful thing for anyone to say. Do you think the kids deserve to read those kind of comments later on in their lives. ============ Anonymous, I can't find any place on this thread where anyone said she was sexually abused by her father. If you are referring to my comment, I said I wouldn't put it past her to say she was sexually abused as a child. I didn't say a word about her dad. Kate said her childhood or parts of it were unhappy and then leaves the door wide open for speculation. She should either explain why she says that or not say it in the first place.
Personally I think she doesn't speak to her father because he probably told her what an ungrateful bitch she was back when she thumbed her nose at the cribs and donations (etc) from the church and community. I'm sure it was an embarrassment for him to have a daughter who was so unappreciative and self-centered. He and his wife still had to live and work in that town.
As far as the kids reading comments like these later in life, it is sad and no, they don't deserve it. Unfortunately they're going to read a lot of things about their family that should have always remained private. Even sadder than that is they had to be put in this vulnerable position by their very own mother.
Much Ado About Nothing said... You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc. -------- Exactly my point when I said she left the audience alone with our imaginations as she didn't clarify what she meant by UNHAPPY.
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She doesn't owe anyone an explanation or details. If you want to let your imagination run wild, that's your issue not hers.
fidosmommy said... I hope this makes sense. It does to me ------ It very much made sense to me, fm. Best point you made was that you 'grew up' into an adult. Whether you figured this out on your own and/or with the help of a counselor...good for you. ~ In watching that entire interview with Natalie once more I kept feeling so sorry for Kate that she wasn't talking to a therapist IN PRIVATE instead of a journalist with cameras. Kate revealed that it would take "probably 10 years for her to figure out the A LOT that was unhappy in her childhood". AND..so? Kate, why aren't you? That was probably the most or only insightful thing Kate said the entire interview. (and @anon 1:59, I still think it was unthoughtful to her parents reveal that without clarification) If only she had started getting some mental help last November instead of, or maybe even along with visiting with Natalie, she could have been '1 year down, only 9 more to go' by now.
"Bitch" is not a... - you and I disagree about whether mental illness is in fact a "condition" or an "illness". I would refer people to http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mental-illness/ for a wonderful discussion on the topic.
What we do agree on is that Kate uses medical terminology erroneously to justify and excuse her (at best) rude behaviors, to the disservice of those who truly do suffer from OCD, etc. I have several children with high functioning autism and Asperger's. I took offense a year ago when people tried to explain her behavior by saying she's an undiagnosed autistic simply due to her lack of social skills. My children have enough challenges, they do not need Kate Gosselin held up as a model of autistic behavior.
I think, imo, Ms. Gosselin truly has some legitimate personality issues. I hope Ms. Gosselin is able to gain perspective on her life and realize how truly blessed she is and that moves her to change her attitude and become a more loving and giving individual. Paging Charles Dickens....
She doesn't owe anyone an explanation or details. If you want to let your imagination run wild, that's your issue not hers.
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She didn't need to put that statement out there in the first place, but she chose to do so. It was a teaser that was dangled in front of the audience so that they WOULD speculate what she meant. She knew exactly what she was doing, and if she ever had to offer an explanation for bizarre behavior, she could point to her declaration of an unhappy childhood, saying that she made this public some time ago on national television. Intelligent and classy, she's not; cheeky and cunning, she is.
Moose Mania said... She doesn't owe anyone an explanation or details. If you want to let your imagination run wild, that's your issue not hers.
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She didn't need to put that statement out there in the first place, but she chose to do so. It was a teaser that was dangled in front of the audience so that they WOULD speculate what she meant. She knew exactly what she was doing, and if she ever had to offer an explanation for bizarre behavior, she could point to her declaration of an unhappy childhood, saying that she made this public some time ago on national television. Intelligent and classy, she's not; cheeky and cunning, she is.
Well said Moose. While she may not owe an explanation to anyone else, she does owe an explanation to her children, the people whom she has deprived of the wonderful gift of having grandparents in their lives. While she's at it she might explain to them why she estranged other people they were very bonded to and loved, like Aunt Jodi and Beth.
Also if she doesn't want people questioning what she says, she shouldn't have said something that passive aggressive and cryptic and loaded. Why is Kate's childhood any of our business? It's not. We didn't bring it up, KATE DID. Kate shouldn't bring it up. Tacky, classless, unnecessary.
And when someone has a bad childhood because of school, usually they say "school was rough for me." I've never heard anyone say my childhood was rough without following it up with something to do with their parents--i.e. I was abused, my father died, my parents divorced, my mom was an alcoholic. I don't care what others assume but for Kate to not assume that some if not MOST people would go there is naive at best. I think that woman knew exactly what she was doing.
I think that woman knew exactly what she was doing. ======= Or at least the person whispering in her earpiece did. The entire interview with Morales was a snow job designed to keep the brand going & the focus on Kate. It was a vomit fest.
Anonymous, as to your rude comment why we are analyzing every word Kate said a year ago, we're not analyzing every word. We're taking a look at ONE THING she said about her childhood. We are doing this because there is some person on the internet claiming to be Kate's mother and representing their relationship as a positive one. People are simply pointing out the clues, evidence, and innuendo said by Kate herself that suggest otherwise. This is called fact-finding. Kate gave one "clue" about her childhood stating it was unhappy, and that's what we're discussing here. All that was asked was what this person claiming to be her mom has to say about that, if anything. I'm not sure why sheeple should be threatened by this. If it had nothing to do with her mom as sheeple are so adament about, then why do you care what we think?
This is exactly what TLC wants, for everyone to forget what Kate said a year ago, two years ago, two weeks ago. That isn't going to happen here so if you don't like it you can go elsewhere.
None of us knows what went on in Kate's childhood at home or outside school. What we have learned is that Kate exaggerates to the hilt. It can't be 95 degrees, it has to be 340 degrees outside. It can't be 8 children, it has to be 900 children swarming around her fridge while she's trying to put food away.
So, with this in mind, it could be that Kate remembers the times when her parents told her she could not, for example, go to Chicago with her friends for the weekend, and it became "I'm a prisoner in this house." Or her parents made her do chores she didn't want to do, and it became "slave labor" in her mind. Normal parenting decisions, often wise ones, can be interpreted as mean and cruel to some children, and are not forgotten easily.
Just a thought. Of course I have no way of knowing, but Kate gives me plenty to speculate on.
To anon 1:59, your comment was rude and sheeplish. Kate implied that her parents somehow ruined her childhood during that interview as a way to justify shutting them out of her kids' lives. If they were so horrible, then why did she allow the twins to live with them when she was pregnant with the tups? Yes, she dangled the claim of an unhappy childhood and did leave us to so set what the hell that meant. I think wants people to think she was victimized; look at how she behaves as if Jon was an awful husband when it was he who suffered mightily being married to her. Personally, I'll bet Kate WAS unhappy and resentful that she wasn't rich, beautiful, worldly or special in any real way. She was pissed off to be average and forgettable. And she still seems obsessed with proving that she is all those things she never was. Sad that she is memorable now, but as a horrible person and mother obsessed with fame and money and her looks. And for the record, she looks old, saggy, and evil.
My point is not that the media should give parents a chance to respond when someone like Kate throws them under the bus, that would obviously be impractical, but my point was that because her parents cannot respond and Kate has the upper hand so to speak (a public forum, the media), it's tacky and classless to speak about this topic to the media. It's easy to say whatever you feel like knowing that the other party would have a very hard time getting their fair say in. That's being a coward and being passive aggressive. I wonder how Kate would fair if she had to actually say these things to their faces.
In my opinion this goes for all celebs. I don't think anyone should be talking badly about people from their childhood. What good does it do to tell Larry King your mother didn't give you icecream when you wanted it? Address these issues in therapy, behind closed doors. Perhaps invite your parents to join the therapy. Of course I do not have a problem with talking about abuse in order to spread awareness and stop it. For instance I think Alison Angrim should talk all she wants about the relative who molested her (she has never revealed which relative or his name) because it's spreading awareness about sexual abuse. But Kate has never ever suggested her parents abused her nor is there really any hard evidence of that. She implies just that her childhood wasn't up to Kate standards, just like nothing is.
The video is a hoot! Wow, does Kate look completely different! First off, helloooo!! The boobs looked smaller and better before the magic bra. Secondly, I never realized how much filler she has in her face until now. She used to have nice cheekbones, but the filler has obliterated them. I think she's been plumped up along the parentheses from the sides of her nose all the way down to the sides of her mouth. That would explain her jowly, hound dog appearance now compared to then. She looked better before. Karma
Administrator said... Anonymous, as to your rude comment why we are analyzing every word Kate said a year ago, we're not analyzing every word. We're taking a look at ONE THING she said about her childhood. We are doing this because there is some person on the internet claiming to be Kate's mother and representing their relationship as a positive one. People are simply pointing out the clues, ~~~~ Seriously people, this is SHEEPLE you're talking about. They can't take the hints, clues, evidence, etc. and put it all together and come up w/an opinion. They lack the ability to use deductive reasoning.
Years from now, when the Gosselin Eight tell people that they had an "unhappy childhood," at least everyone will know exactly what they are referring to.
Years from now, when the Gosselin Eight tell people that they had an "unhappy childhood," at least everyone will know exactly what they are referring to.
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First...my condolences to Maggie. I care for my 83 y.o. father and I dread the day he passes...I truly dread it.
Kate is a very unlikeable person in general...I feel that it's because she's a narcissistic abuser. But to me, the bigger issue is TLC....and the tactics used by them. IMO, the level of accountability with which Kate can be held doesn't even come close to the level TLC should be. One is a person with some likely psychiatric issues and the other entity is a corporation. And as has already been mentioned here...they have also taken Kate for a ride as well, most likely.
Anyone who has ever tried to get photographs of their young children knows full well how many hours and hours it must take to get enough usable film....and then there's all the magazine posed group photos....and can pretty well imagine how much those kids work...a LOT.
There are always going to be parents who don't raise their kids exactly as we think they should. But to have an entire corporation complicit in committing what I consider to be almost blatant child abuse is absolutely NOT acceptable.
silimom said... Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but I have to add to my post about OCD and the DSM-IV from above. NOBODY "has" OCD. You're diagnosed as exhibiting behaviors consistent with an OCD traits, but there is no such thing as an OCD "disease." It's not a medical diagnosis or condition, or something one "has." You just check enough boxes on the diagnostic check-list to qualify as being characterized as one with the condition. It's not a medical diagnosis. IMO, Kate sees OCD as an admirable condition, as those who suffer from it tend to be hyper-organized and focus on details to the extreme. I think Kate/TLC assumed this would add to Kate’s image as the hyper-organized mom. I think history has proven that Kate is anything but organized, and that she suffers from delusions of grandeur, and not from OCD. But, as I stated above, I'm "in agreeance" (gag) with you, silimom -- Kate is self-diagnosing in order to excuse some pretty inexcusable behavior.
Kate uses the terms "OCD" and "Low Blood Sugar" to justify and excuse her behavior. As in "It's not my fault, I have OCD" or "It's not my fault, I have low blood sugar".
Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school. ----------- Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"... "Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough." _____________ OK...now between this and "I had a VERY unhappy childhood" in her Natalie interview, Kate surely saw her childhood differently than you saw it, Anon725. This woman, Kate Gosselin, definitely needs some psychological help. (btw, how terrible was it for Kate to throw her mom and dad under the bus like that in the Natalie interview without clarifying her statement?...it left us all alone with our imaginations. ugh)
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So if someone were to interview random people who grew up in your neighborhood about your childhood and their perceptions differed from yours, would you immediately seek psychological help? According to your logic, if the perspectives of outsiders were to differ from your own perceptions, their perceptions would be more valid.
If indeed it is Kate's mother posting on the sheeple site (and I have serious doubts it is), does Mrs. Kreider have no self-esteem whatsoever? How can she support her daughter on a public blog, when Kate does nothing but talk smack about her entire family, mother included? It's baffling.
Robin said... Regarding Kate and OCD....I believe that it is very similar to Kate and her "low blood sugar." She throws medical terms around casually all of the time - says "I have OCD" and "I have low blood sugar" without regards to the fact that they are very real medical conditions that real people suffer from.
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Technically, OCD is not a "medical condition." It's diagnosed using the DSM-IV, which is basically a check-list of symptoms/behaviors, assessing mental health "disorders" (it's also used to assess eating disorders, ADHD, and alcoholism, to name a few "disorders" that are not proven to be "medically" based).
That said, I agree with you 100%: Kate throws around medical terms so carelessly and often incorrectly, it's frightening that this woman has a nursing license. As for her alleged OCD --that is a crock and a half. She's a control-freak who needs to micro-manage every aspect of her kids' lives -- and NOT from the stand-point of an over-protective, loving mother. She sucks the joy out of their playtime, vactations, meals, lives -- all because she needs to CONTROL them. That is not OCD. That's just buzzkill bitchiness. She's also not the germaphobe she professes to be (no self-respecting germaphobe would be caught dead walking the streets of NYC BAREFOOT). These "diagnoses" are just TLC's lame attempt to give dimension and character to an otherwise uninteresting and not-so-smart-ish shrew. It's also a lame attempt to cover/excuse her impatience and bitchiness. [Pssst, TLC: It's not working].
Ellen is just a girlfriend to Jon, so why does everyone bash her (sheeples)? Leave the girl alone, she has a nice government job and seems real nice. She seems to like him and his kids. I really think she should be left alone.
I'm more inclined to think she was a handful as a child (instigator, whiner, getting siblings in trouble, etc.). ----------
In the "Kate-Her Story" episode with Natalie Morales, Kate said that her brother Kevin would often take the blame for her, saying "Katie no do it. I do it." I'm beginning to wonder if Kate, even as a youngster, bullied and controlled him into taking the blame so she wouldn't be wrong and get in trouble. That, or again, she doesn't like boys, so she may have wanted to see her own brother get in trouble. This is just a theory, I could be totally wrong.
In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue. ============== If it's a clue to anything it would be that she's a histrionic narcissist. Being a middle child to Kate means 'forgotten'. She couldn't just be the middle child and leave it at that. I mean really, how DARE her parents have children before or after her, when all they really should have needed was Kate. So of course in her head that justifies declaring her childhood 'unhappy'.
Tess said... Anon725said... That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue.
-------------------------- In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue. (if interested, you can pull that interview up on youtube) *********** I find it very interesting that when Kate speaks about the lack of family in their lives, her emotions range from, well, nothing-a flat affect, to pure vitriol in her eyes when speaking of Kevin. She has no remorse or regret for her children's sake. They have no Grandparents (what a shame!), no aunts, uncles or cousins. A huge, huge loss and void in their lives, yet when she speaks about it, she might as well be saying "pass me a tissue". There's just nothing, and no accounts of how her kids feel about it. Now, contrast that with her account of her and her kids' reactions to the loss of their film crew, and the water works get turned on, she's always sure to mention how devastated the kids are. "Wailing in unison" or something similar is how she described it. Yet, their own family is cut out of their lives and what? there's no effect on them? How can that be? Again, Kate imposes her values, view and will on the chidren.
I know this is OT, but has anyone tried to go to Ellen's blog? When I click on the URL, it redirects me to a picture that says "Bye Hater". I am not a hater of Ellen, and have never posted there. I just wonder if anyone else has a problem. Perhaps, someone has spammed her site?
I haven't posted or read in awhile. My Dad died on September 11 (of all days) after being in and out of ICU for 3 weeks. He was 88 so it was a blessing that he was very healthly up until the last 3 weeks of his life.
Anyway, I have been reading and catching up with all the comments tonight and have been very impressed by all the smart and insightful ones. I really think this website has been helpful in holding Kate's feet to the fire. The public no doubt has gradually "caught on" to her and will continue to do so. You know what struck me, I don't know why, but we all feel like Kate has been around forever getting break and break. At least I feel that way. But in reality, it hasn't even been a year since their divorce. It's only been about 18 months or so since the "major rumblings hit the fan" when Jon STARTED getting caught, per say, with other woman. To me it feels like this mess (Kate getting her way and making her way in public) has been years in the making. You know, I think there is a good shot that she not be around for much longer. Oh, she will pop up here and there through the years because of her 8 children, but I think the majority of her "heyday" is going to be well over in the next 6 months or so. Yeah!!! And thanks for this website for being a great factor contributing. Thanks, Admin.
Marie, I agree that Kate is incredibly sexist and plays favorites with her kids. Personally, I think the order of preference in her pea brain is as follows: Hannah > the other little girls > the twins > the boys. She berated the boys to be 'men' even before they were in Kindergarten. Whenever some chore needs to be done, she often runs the boys around even if one of the girls is there. She didn't attend any of the boys' special days for JK8. She was so evil when she didnt let the boys eat their bday cupcakes for some bullshit reason. She also spoke megatively about men, Jon in particular, in front of the kids. She hasseled Jon about not doing anything right, always telling him that a husband should do this or that, implying somehow that he wasn't pulling his weight. This mistreatment of their father must have imprinted negative memories in those kids' heads. I have no idea how she could be so disparaging of her own sons. Boys ARE different from girls, but not better or worse. And even if her boys are dirtier or less advanced than her girls, so what? Don't you still love all your kids equally? Boys are supposed to mature more slowly than girls in general anyway. And for the record, I see no evidence that her boys are dirty or slow compared to their sisters. Those poor boys seem to have accepted their place in the pecking order, and it's so sad. They are sweet kids, though, and hopefully they will grow up to be kind to women, like their dad is, rather than feel the need to overpower women once they are freed from their horrible mother.
I just feel bad about how sexist and cache like she treats her kids:
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And in that order probably. I don't think she pays enough attention to the twins probably because they aren't what gave her the show and they are older and therefore have more opinions.
She does a lot more things with just the little girls than I have ever seen her do with her sons. Has anyone ever noticed Kate has never called her childre, "my son/sons, my daughter/daughters?" No its always, "the little girls, the boys, the big girls." That's sort of struct me as weird. Am I the only one?
Her dirt issue seems to be rubbing off on a few of her children, Collin who freaked out because he was dirty as Jon told him, "Your mother has warped you." Then one the children asks,"Sit on the dirty floor?" Which was more recent.
I felt so bad when she said, "i don't know how to deal with boys, they are strange to us, boys are just icky, they just are. Oh your nails are horendous child!" Then the potty training she tells one of her sons, "Sit there until you go, don't get up." And she leaves the room, turning out the light! Freak! And I know it was Joel she said either he was taking this too slow or that it shouldn't be this hard they had somewhere to go or something. Call me crazy but shouldn't when you potty trian it shouldn't be that negative? Just sad. I mean those statements are going to be with the chld the rest of their lives and on th, internet for years to come. Its sick, and its really sad.
I hope Cara and Madelyn at least have a private happy 10th birthday this 8th of October. They seemed to get shafted when it comes to birthday celebrations.
BeDoneNow, I think you are spot on. It's like that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away.
One of the psychologists who wrote about Kate, her name escapes me but she took a lot of hate for it, basically said that Kate TOO is being exploited. It is so very true. There aren't just 8 kids being exploited here. I guess the difference is if you are an adult that's your choice. Still doesn't make it right.
Wow, BeDoneNow, that's quite a theory. Kate said herself she was the "forgotten middle child" - wouldn't there be backup to this theory, i.e., another sib besides Kevin. If Kate really was abused I might just start to feel sorry for her. But just a tiny bit... Jon and the kids come first.
Lol, AuntieAnn. When I was working part-time at a department store during college our local news anchor purchased something at my cash register. Yup, I was starstruck. It's always surreal the first time you see someone in person who you've previously only seen on TV.
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interesting shot of Kate's bosom. She hadn't discovered the "miracle bra" yet, obviously.
Good job...she really IS Mommie Dearest. And what I'm struck by as much as the parallels between her and Joan Crawford is how obviously FLAT CHESTED she is in that white sweater she's wearing on the couch with Jon.
And if there was more proof needed that she had a boob job, well this is pretty much it.
It has been noted that Hailey Glassman is going to be on a TV dating show. I guess reality TV is scraping the barrel. You know Kates new career could be as a cleaning woman. Ah yes...karma.
WOW! That was creepy!!!!!! Plus where did they get the money to pay for housekeepers while only daddy working and having 8 kids? All for the show and TLC paying for it
I've wanted to put this one together for awhile and it was fun. But in all seriousness, what really, really bothers me is the way Kate is given a national forum to trash this housekeeper--whose name and image was shown, without giving her a chance to defend herself. Talk about messing with someone's livlihood. Saying on national TV that the housekeeper wouldn't meet anyone's standards could be career-breaking for that poor lady. But does she think about other people when she runs her mouth? Course not.
Oh, and she also complained the housekeeper's English was poor.
Administrator said... Oh, and she also complained the housekeeper's English was poor.
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Kate's English is rather "poor-ISH" too.
I had never seen or read Mommie Dearest till this year when I read the book - because of Kate.
Lol yes poorish.
She really has some nerve complaining about the way someone speaks. Maybe next time Kate complains about someone's poor English she would do well to remember that the people with poor English are the backbone of this country. A day without a Mexican.
Gawd, that is so freakishly similar. But Kate was MUCH calmer back then. Not so much anymore. She just haven't to "check" herself anymore-the production co. wants her to freak out.
I beleive said cleaning lady signed an agreement and was probably paid well. I check on my cleaning lady too and it is annoying when areas like a book shelf are untouced. And my lady is hard to understand and doesn't read English, it is kindof a pain. She gets paid 15 dollars an hour, cash.
Still, Kate seemed so mild back then!
Personally I think it's tacky to complain about the hired help to anyone but either the hired help themselves, or the agency they are through if they have one. But then Kate might as well marry tacky.
Hello Everyone: Long time lurker, first time poster. What upset me about this video is that the areas that Kate was complaining about are areas that hadn't been touched for a long time. That's a lot more than a weeks worth of dust. Maybe she's not such a good housekeeper either.
Good job on the clip admin. I don't know why she didn't just tie an apron on Jon and add housecleaning to his to-do list when he got home from work.
From all accounts I've read about Joan Crawford, she really WAS obsessed with cleaning whereas Kate's OC was scripted for the show. In that same episode she also told another potential housekeeper she was interviewing not to check the baseboards 'cuz she didn't wipe them down very often. For someone who is such a clean freak that would be a daily chore. So Kate is either a germaphobe or a friggin liar. Duh I'll go with liar. They were really setting the stage back then and the poor stupid sheeple still buy all her bs to this day.
Actually I take that back. It seems to me Jon did say he vacuumed and dusted for her. Just what did Kate do?
That was actually one of the few shows I watched. I remember her complaining about the cleaning lady & thinking how mean it was & how lousy that woman must have felt. If I was that woman, I would have drove to that house, knocked on the door, & slapped Kate right in the face. Better yet, why didn't the cleaning lady sue Kate for defamation of character?
Anyways, it was very soon after that when I stopped watching. The parallel between Mommy Dearest & Kate is close. I never did add 1+1 together. Good call Admin! And what happened to Joan Crawford's kids? They said "see ya!" to their mother when they could (& her daughter wrote a book), just as I suspect Kate's kids will do to her.
I don't think Kate's OCD is scripted. I think she's highly narcissistic and highly obsessive/compulsive. Kate would have to be a fairly good actress to act so obsessive/compulsive and she definitely cannot act.
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Kate is not OCD.
If she were, there would not be any dust under her furniture, her closets would be totally organized,(we saw her thrashed out closet in an episode), she would not be brushing her childrens teeth or hair in her kitchen!
That would just send an OCD person over the edge.
Oh yeah...she would never walk around without shoes !
Like everything else,it was just written in the script of the "realist of real reality shows."
As a person that had OCD for many years, I can assure you that Kate Gosselin was faking it for the cameras.
So far I haven't found much about Kate Gosselin that is not fake !
Well done on the video! Great job!
Yeah.. Kate doesn't come close to having OCD. She is just pissed when other people don't anticipate her needs and respond accordingly. Just like Joan..
Remember the epi when they moved into the McMansion and she spent HOURS cleaning out a relatively looking (from my view) clean refrigerator? Painstakingly complaining ad nauseum about how horribly "awfulish" it was? AND whether that frig was "horrifically" dirty or not is besides the point.It was my HUB that never watched the show that watched that epi with me and suddenly commented, "Geeze, doesn't THAT lady know the prior owners of the house are probably watching. Why would someone belittle someone like that in front of a huge audience?"
...good catch hub, guess it's like Kate says, she doesn't SEE other people. Totally the trait of a narcissist.
If I was that woman, I would have drove to that house, knocked on the door, & slapped Kate right in the face.
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If you would have driven to that house and slapped her in the face, you better believe you would have faced an assault charge. Kate wouldn't let that one go!
Why didn't the woman sue for defamation? I didn't see the episode. Was her name given? Was she subsequently rejected by other potential employers because Kate said her performance was sub-par? She would have to prove that Kate specifically, on television, revealed her identity with intent to defame her, and then submitted proof of damages.
Tess said: "Geeze, doesn't THAT lady know the prior owners of the house are probably watching. Why would someone belittle someone like that in front of a huge audience?"
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I seem to recall that the previous owner was mighty miffed about this, and rumor was that TLC negotiated or paid him for being humiliated on national television, especially after Kate complained about the freezer in the basement never having been moved and how disgusting the dirt was there (it was less than a dust-pan full).
Does anyone remember hearing about any kind of monetary restitution that Dr. C received?
I recall reading somewhere that the house had professional cleaners go through before they moved in. TLC asked that they PURPOSELY leave the fridge and under the freezer dirty so they could make an episode out of her having to clean. Don't know if the previous owners would have been aware of that or not, but I bet they were embarassed. The house was apparently empty for a few months, hence the "mold" in the fridge.
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Does anyone remember hearing about any kind of monetary restitution that Dr. C received?
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Yes, I read it also, in a few places. Not sure if it was an urban legend or what. But, it sure seems probable. Also, I wondered if Kate had some 'grudge' against this doctor, (isn't she mad w/the whole world?) as I'm positive she knew him since he was an OB/GYN, and she was a L&D nurse at same hospital. Classless - ya just can't use that word enough in the same sentence with Kate's name, can ya?
BTW, the previous owner, did state they'd had a professional cleaning crew come in to clean the house.
I doubt Kate cleaned the refrigerator for hours in the new house. The scene looked like just another setup for filming. I think Kate is narcissistic and has OCD, but she is not germaphobic and the clean freak that is presented for the cameras. Someone can be OCD about certain things being clean or orderly and be a total slob at the same time. Kate's an overly critical controlling bitch also.
Like most everything Kate does, it's not exactly illegal, it's just really shitty.
Defamation has to be a false statement of fact. This was more an opinion. Opinions aren't defamation. Now you can't just tear a new one into people and then label it an opinion, but simply saying that a housekeeper did not dust properly and then rubbing off the dust with your hand as proof is probably not going to be defamation. That's why people are allowed to post reviews all over newspapers, magazines and the internet and say bad things about businesses--it's an opinion.
If Kate has a problem with the housekeeper, she has at least two people she can complain to--the housekeeper herself and the woman who runs her agency who was also at the house for the interview. It's just really shitty that she uses her show which has a national audience to trash this housekeeper and then the housekeeper is not even given an opportunity to defend herself. In any case, I don't care if Kate's house looks like a hoarder after this housekeeper was done, the professional, classy, tactful thing to do is to take it up with the agency, not your TV show's audience.
I also find it ridiculous that in one breath Kate is complaining the housekeeper doesn't speak English, and in the next complaining she wasn't doing everything on the list Kate wrote. I assume the list was in English, maybe that's why she didn't follow the list.
Hey, at least Joan Crawford told the housekeeper to her face how much she sucked!
It's possible Kate's OCD about some things but she's definitely not OCD across the board like she wants people to think. What she definitely is is a control freak. Notice how she only cares or pays attention to others short-falls but when she does it herself (if ever) it never lives up to her own standard?
Good call Admin. I didn't think of it that way. I don't understand how defamation works, so thank you for clearing that up. Kate, using her show to complain about that cleaning lady was downright mean. The cleaning lady had no way to defend herself, & that totally sucks.
I was thinking, I'm really surprised no one has taken the opportunity to tell Kate off. She goes to Target alone a lot, there are people that do not like her, why hasn't anyone called her out on her bullshit? I know if I was given a golden moment like that, I would most definitely lay into her about some stuff. (I'm pretty blunt like that, I see a mom slapping her kid around, I step in. A dog in a car on a hot day, I call the cops, etc) So why hasn't anyone done this to Kate? People lashed out at Leona Helmsley when she said "only the little people pay taxes". If you all were given a chance, & you saw Kate strolling along, would you tell her off? What would you say?
Good job Admin!!!! Love the music and thanks for NOT showing one little blip of anything remotely connected to the children. If all your other careers don't work out for you, looks like you are ready to go into music video production! {hugs!}
I remember thinking at the time that she never even gave that young lady a chance, why not give additional instruction and give her another shot. And also how cruel of TLC and the film company to humiliate that young housekeeper on TV like that. A young cleaning lady trying to earn an HONEST living, had to be humiliated in order to make Katie look better.
Narcissists have different standards for themselves and others. Kate would say she did something her best (with many excuses for why it wasn't done better), but anyone else would need to do the same thing for her better (with no excuses for why it wasn't done up to her expectations). And if the other person doesn't agree with her, then that person will hear plenty of garbage and will be thrown out with the trash.
oops one more thing... I never ever believed that Kate was OCD about anything other than control. She is simply an angry mean person who is always looking for something or someone to blame for that anger. And if that means she has to blame dust and crumbs for the moment, then she will.
Of course, I have my own theories about why she is so angry and why it has evolved into such a debilitating personality disorder.
About Kate complaining, whining, bitching and moaning about the "filthy and moldy" refrigerator in the McMansion as she pretended to clean it for that episode. My understanding is that the Cammarano's were extremely pissed and that Mrs. C. wrote Kate a letter expressing her disdain for Kate's lies and lack of class. The entire house had been professionally cleaned before KON moved in. Long story short, Mrs. C. got a check in the mail from TLC as recompense for being trashed by Kate on TV.
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Of course, I have my own theories about why she is so angry and why it has evolved into such a debilitating personality disorder.
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BDN, I'd love to hear your theories. If it isn't too much to type, can you share them?
OCD can take many forms other than cleanliness. Repetitive motions are common. I never thought Kate had OCD; I just think she is a control freak. The chanting of the kids lunch order was a strong sign. She will not be able to keep them under her thumb for much longer.
Did Dr. Phil give her maid service on one of his shows?
Well, if Kate's obsessive need to control EVERYTHING around her isn't part of OCD, it's still obsessive and compulsive and sick.
kate kreider wants to be a movie stah, someone should do a re-make of "Mommy Dearest", and kate could stah as the wicked Mommy!! She could just be herself!! Love the clip, Admin., you should make more of them!
Trucker said: I check on my cleaning lady too and it is annoying when areas like a book shelf are untouced.
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I double checked the video and Kate actually removed books from the shelf and then bitched and chewed about it not being clean. Who the * cleans under books?
Hey, I just realized that the twins' birthday is coming up on October 9, which is next Saturday. That will be interesting to see if their "party" is filmed (which means more shows being created - I don't know what to believe about the show being over - those suits at TLC are liars and scammers and play with our heads all the time. If Take is still at all relevant (in her own mind at least). I am sure Chris will be there to document the party with pictures. Also, on October 9, the twins will have 8 years left on their sentence. That's a lifetime when you are their ages.
...good catch hub, guess it's like Kate says, she doesn't SEE other people. Totally the trait of a narcissist.
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Like in the episode where she, Jon and the kids go to Toys R Us (or wherever it was), and she loudly yells "HELLOOO!" to Jon and everyone around them stares, then as they're putting the toys in the back of the van, Jon tells her he's not speaking to her b/c she embarrassed him. Later when they're on the couch being interviewed, and Jon repeats how humiliated he was, Kate says something like "sorry....I guess I just don't notice people."
I really like the background music in the video. It's the song from the baseball scene in the first Twilight movie.
I appreciate Admin's efforts to remind us of THE REAL Kate Gosselin even if it is extremely aggravating to watch. No wonder Julie May Carson is working so hard to re-make Kate's image.
Kate basically trashed the maid on primetime television. Was this woman able to get another job after that? It's a big no no for an employer to disparage a former employee. So I wonder if Kate was shielded by TLC and/or the maid agency. It's just so wrong.
Not working for Kate Gosselin is the best thing that could have happened for this poor woman.
BeDoneNow said...
I remember thinking at the time that she never even gave that young lady a chance, why not give additional instruction and give her another shot. And also how cruel of TLC and the film company to humiliate that young housekeeper on TV like that. A young cleaning lady trying to earn an HONEST living, had to be humiliated in order to make Katie look better.
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BeDoneNow, I felt the same way when I originally saw that episode.
Administrator, thanks for the video. Well done!
And I agree, Kate has a real sh*tty way of treating people. To her, the hired help are nothing but peons.
She is a very strange woman.
Hippie Chick said... If you all were given a chance, & you saw Kate strolling along, would you tell her off? What would you say?
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Sometimes I read your posts and the "other" Judy's posts and think I wrote them. Like you, I do speak up when I see a child being abused and did it recently and also love animals and do my best to help when I can; however, if I saw Kate in public, I would simply look her straight in the eyes, roll my eyes at her, and walk away. In other words, "Kate, you are IRRELEVANT." Because, if I said anything, I would be, you know, "jealous." (Wink)
"A day without a Mexican" WTF????????????????
I just hate it when my cleaning lady won't speak english to me and doesn't cleanish behind the stove or fridge!! Sooooo irritating!!!
Again, a perfect example of how someone else didn't know how to help the Queen of Mean.
I have often fantasized about winning the lottery but then I stop myself and think, if I did win, would I hire people to do the housecleaning and cooking for me. Realistically, no I wouldn't. Not that I can do it better but because there is a certain satisfaction in doing things for oneself. Taking pride in one's accomplishments, whether it be as simple as vacuuming once a week or getting up and going to work every day.
Kate, on the other hand, views all of her riches as an excuse to not do any of those things because she is too good for it. Yet in the same breath, she knows better how to do it so anyone who does those things for her (cleaning, cooking, taking care of the children) doesn't know how to do it as well as she does. She doesn't want to do all those things but she certainly thinks no one does them as well as she can.
BeDoneNow,
I'd also love to hear your theory/ies as to why Hate is so mean and ugly.
Re: the housekeeper/cleaning woman. When it originally aired, I wondered if it was all phony and the woman was either a TLC P.A. or an actress doing a part.
Now that I know EVERYTHING about TLC and the Gosselins IS PHONY, I'm almost positive it wasn't a "real" cleaning woman. Anyone else?
Lani said...Who the * cleans under books?
Well, Kate supposedly. If she is OCD and a germaphobe like she "claims". About 4 times a year, I'll take my books off my bookcase & clean underneath, but certainly not once a week when I clean. It would take forever. Kate is just once again playing her part for the cameras in this episode.
So why hasn't anyone done this to Kate?
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How do we know that they haven't? The cameras aren't on her 24/7. Do you really think she would admit that someone gave her a piece of their mind?
Remember Joan Crawford in Mildred Pearce, and how we all felt sorry for her and cheered her on? Well a lot of us, myself included, were still cheering Kate on back then. How dare some no-account half-miler of a maid leave dust behind when the health of 6 premies was at stake? If only I knew then what I know now...
Racist much? said... "A day without a Mexican" WTF????????????????
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I cannot believe I have to explain this. Of course I'm not racist. A day without a Mexican is a mantra that a lot of immigrants stand by when anyone says we should stop immigration. In other words, don't thumb your nose at everyone who doesn't speak perfect English or a lot wouldn't get done in this country.
My point was that Kate doesn't appreciate that all kinds of people make this country run, not just English-ish speaking Americans. She practically rolled her eyes when she had to bring up the housekeeper's English was bad. If anyone is racist, or at least sheltered, it's Kate.
How do we know that they haven't? The cameras aren't on her 24/7. Do you really think she would admit that someone gave her a piece of their mind?
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It seems to me a lot more likely scenrio is that a great deal of people HAVE told Kate off. And then they get sent to the black hole along with everyone else Kate has estranged. Kate has far too many estranged people not in her life for all of them to be bad and Kate is the good one.
IIRC, the doctor was quoted in a local piece after the show ran, saying something like, that's just her; everyone knows how Kate is.
They left it at that, which seems to be the way a lot of people manage to write her off.
Racist much: Go back to your hamster wheel. You're not ready for prime time.
I did hear a woman from Reading call her 'old news' on one of the INF clips awhile back when Kate came out of the nail salon, but that wasn't to her face and it certainly wasn't giving her a piece of her mind.
A lot of people get starstruck when they see celebrities and I guess Kate qualifies as a celebrity at the Target store, even though the celebrity status would be about the same as seeing the weatherperson from the local tv channel out shopping.
(with apologies to all the weatherpersons out there)
She practically rolled her eyes when she had to bring up the housekeeper's English was bad. If anyone is racist, or at least sheltered, it's Kate.
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And even then, she had to make it all about herself and all the 'barriers' she already faced and having to deal with another 'barrier', meaning the housekeeper's English, was just too much for poor schmoopy to bear. She can't even fake a fucking apology without insulting someone.
alana said... Now that I know EVERYTHING about TLC and the Gosselins IS PHONY, I'm almost positive it wasn't a "real" cleaning woman.
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I don't believe EVERYTHING about the Gosselins IS PHONY, like Kate saying she doesn't notice people and her talking about her "weirdities" (compulsions) and Jon asking her when she's going to "take the stick out", her yelling at Jon because he didn't use a coupon, or when Mady put a sign on her bedroom door about no cameras allowed, etc., etc., etc.
If EVERYTHING were scripted, they'd all have to be excellent actors and Kate is no actor (and I don't think Jon is either). She's said it herself, and has also said she cannot hide her emotions. It's about the only thing she's ever said that I believe.
Lol, AuntieAnn. When I was working part-time at a department store during college our local news anchor purchased something at my cash register. Yup, I was starstruck. It's always surreal the first time you see someone in person who you've previously only seen on TV.
Seems Kate has said or done mean things to many people and then tried to turn the tables by saying she needs her "fans". OK, been there done that-never again. This woman is a selfish child using bimbo that only does stuff for the camera's. Including mothering her own children. Even a show with just her or her on any show I will never watch. She has caused so much pain to her children without a blink. To Jon to as bad as some think he is, well-she sure used him until the last minute and then divorced him so she could control EVERTYTHING! Yes, her quest toward fame and fortune come will always push her family to the side. But the bad thing is, she will always put herself first in everthing that she wants. Seems the children are just background for what she wants. Jon was too! Like she said when moving into the new house "mine, all mine". She knew then she was going to divorce Jon so she could move on and do what she and only she wanted. Horrible and yes, treating the cleaning ladies and the statement about the fridge was really awful. She had pretty much lost me then and not long after I knew Kate was not welcome in my home in any way shape or form. Twist of Kate-well it it does air it will all be staged too because Kate does for Kate not other people. No one gets to go play for a few days and then leaves and has everyone do everything for themselves. Reality show? WRONG, just another lie being filmed. Poor kids will never have a mom home to be a real mom! Nope, done with KG and all that she stands for. I don't buy anything that sponsors her show or any show she is on nor do I buy those photo shoped magazines that pays her to not be home with the kids. It's a shame and just sad to think of all the pain those children endure with such a selfish control freak for a mom. Jon, he is trying but not alot he can do if his hands are tied by Kate hounding him to sign for her to work the kids. Yes, more money for her by them working and by Jon's child support payments. Plus looks like she is trying to control when he has the children. He is their father and he seems happy! Leave him alone Kate, go bury your head in the sand and go away! You make mommie dearest look good! Gina needs to wake up also, I feel bad for her children. Kate dresses like a skank and a .25 cent street walker and that kind of sums it up, cougar or milf? Both and one day she will be sad and more alone than she is now. Hope it is soon!
ok here goes... this is just a theory though! I am not attempting to start an internet rumor!!
I think Kate had a rough childhood with her dad, who perhaps was controlling and hurtful to her. (Read into that what you want). And a very very passive mother who did or said nothing to protect her. Hence the constant "They dont know how to help me" and "they dont understand my needs", not just about her parents but also doctors, PA taxpayers, housekeepers, husband, her own children, everyone.
Kate hates men, ("men, arent they lovely" 10,000 times), Kate must be in charge (so she doesnt get hurt) Kate doesnt see other people (totally enveloped in her own anger, no one else matters), She is frantic for ANY kind of attention (one of her parents, or both, never gave) She is eager to show herself as a very sexual being in order to say "I will make you desire me but will never have me because I am the one in charge now. I own YOU!".
'No one understands poor Katie', waawaa, but very common among those who grew up keeping very painful secrets. Kevin perhaps was the brother who got it, who knew, who did what little he could to protect her or just to help her through however they were growing up. NEEDING Kevin emotionally messes up her growing control needs (she is festering and escalating, we can all agree on that), so Kevin had to go. And that passive (in kate's eyes) little wife of his too.
Just my frickin' TV theory. I have never met nor evaluated/assessed or treated Kate or anyone connected to her. (admin, is that enough of a disclaimer?)
Administrator said...
I cannot believe I have to explain this. Of course I'm not racist. A day without a Mexican is a mantra that a lot of immigrants stand by when anyone says we should stop immigration.
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I'm on the East Coast, and even I know what it means! The film maker (of A day Without A Mexican, 2004) stated, "We will be documenting the process and the outcome in hopes of furthering the discussion of the contribution made to our society and economy by not just the Latino immigrants but all immigrants. That these contributions increase productivity and raise the standard of living for all of us."
The sheeple should do a little research before they jump on here and accuse someone of being a racist. Oops...sorry! This time, though, it might really be over their heads!
Administrator said...
I cannot believe I have to explain this. Of course I'm not racist. A day without a Mexican is a mantra that a lot of immigrants stand by when anyone says we should stop immigration.
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I didn't think you were being racist, but I had NO idea what that meant. I am on the 'right coast' though, so thought it might be a 'left coast' thing! LOL
Wow, BeDoneNow, that's quite a theory. Kate said herself she was the "forgotten middle child" - wouldn't there be backup to this theory, i.e., another sib besides Kevin. If Kate really was abused I might just start to feel sorry for her. But just a tiny bit... Jon and the kids come first.
"A Day Without a Mexican" is a movie. It was handed to me one day by a Mexican who works in the local Mexican restaurant. He was very proud of that movie's theme because it raised up the Mexican as a major force behind our economy. Without the Mexicans being willing to work here in the USA, things would begin to crumble because Americans don't necessarily want the work the Mexicans are willing to take on.
It is PRO-Mexican.
Yes it is both a movie and a mantra embraced by many immigrants. It IS pro-Mexican and pro-immigration. Every year in LA we have a Day Without a Mexican day where many immigrants do not go into work as a statement. There is nothing not PC or negative about the statement. It's actually quite a positive mantra about contributions certain groups have made to this country. That sheeple jumped all over me for being racist without doing a simple Google search to realize the phrase is actually pro-immgiration, lol. They're just waiting to pounce like little tigers. Relax, breathe. And if it weren't just a sheeple I would be thoroughly insulted and hurt to be labeled racist.
No matter how you feel about immigration, if someone is here, regardless how they got here, they deserve respect and dignity. Kate showed none of those to her housekeeper.
And by the way I don't think anyone is racist if they are against immigration to this country. That's not the definition of racism. Either way people feel, I think we can agree all people deserve respect. It's Kate who doesn't agree.
Laura D... a fierce secret is a fierce secret, Her family doesnt speak out on anything, let alone whatever would have happened 25, 30 years ago.
I do feel sorry for her too, always have, because I believe she is very mentally ill and is being treated like a display in a freak show, instead of getting the help that she needs. TLC has put her on freak-display and we have paid money to see her. What enrages me is that she is far too ill to nurture 8 little children and American society is watching this happen in front of our eyes. At some point those kids will have a right to point their fingers at US and say "How could you?" (and the sheeple will respond 'well it was ok because you got to go on trips; dont be so ungrateful').
Every Barbara Walters, every check, every flashbulb that comes her way reinforces her ill dysfunctional behavior and thought processes, and lessens the chance that she will ever be well or whole. JMO and it's late and I should shut up now. Sorry for this admin.
BeDoneNow, I think you are spot on. It's like that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away.
One of the psychologists who wrote about Kate, her name escapes me but she took a lot of hate for it, basically said that Kate TOO is being exploited. It is so very true. There aren't just 8 kids being exploited here. I guess the difference is if you are an adult that's your choice. Still doesn't make it right.
I just feel bad about how sexist and cache like she treats her kids:
Little Girls
Boys
Cara and Mady
And in that order probably. I don't think she pays enough attention to the twins probably because they aren't what gave her the show and they are older and therefore have more opinions.
She does a lot more things with just the little girls than I have ever seen her do with her sons. Has anyone ever noticed Kate has never called her childre, "my son/sons, my daughter/daughters?" No its always, "the little girls, the boys, the big girls." That's sort of struct me as weird. Am I the only one?
Her dirt issue seems to be rubbing off on a few of her children, Collin who freaked out because he was dirty as Jon told him, "Your mother has warped you." Then one the children asks,"Sit on the dirty floor?" Which was more recent.
I felt so bad when she said, "i don't know how to deal with boys, they are strange to us, boys are just icky, they just are. Oh your nails are horendous child!" Then the potty training she tells one of her sons, "Sit there until you go, don't get up." And she leaves the room, turning out the light! Freak! And I know it was Joel she said either he was taking this too slow or that it shouldn't be this hard they had somewhere to go or something. Call me crazy but shouldn't when you potty trian it shouldn't be that negative? Just sad. I mean those statements are going to be with the chld the rest of their lives and on th, internet for years to come. Its sick, and its really sad.
I hope Cara and Madelyn at least have a private happy 10th birthday this 8th of October. They seemed to get shafted when it comes to birthday celebrations.
Kate mentioned during a couch interview that she was 'overparented' as a child. I find it ironic that she is such a militant, controlling tyrant with her own kids when she chooses to interact with them. She also seems to carry lots of animosity towards her parents for not taking them on vacations, justifying the opportunity to travel with her kids on the show. I think she was a forgettable kid and a have-not. She seems to really want to show someone, anyone, that she now has fame and money. Probably to make up for being a homely, unpopular, mediocre student from a lower middle class family. She wasn't even the prettiest sister; Clarissa was much cuter than kate as a teen. She wore ugly thick glasses as a kid, maybe that's why she was so upset that Aaden needed glasses. She didn't go to the most prestigious schools. She didn't get to travel. She was probably envious of the pretty, popular, rich girls and therefore has her kids in that pricy school and brags about how beautiful she is (roll eyes) and how cute her kids are (yeah, but not cuter than other 6 and 9 year olds). Sounds like she wasn't mistreated so much as always entitled. She always thought she deserved to be more than what she was: not all that. Sadly, she is now notorious, but for all the wrong reasons. All those pretty rich girls are probably still laughing at her
BeDoneNow,
I agree with you that she does talk smack about men every chance she gets and she's made it plain that little boys are just icky little versions of them. But my personal opinion of her is that she grew up being a lazy spoiled brat who if she didn't want to dry the dishes she just wouldn't. She was probably hiding out somewhere playing mommy with her Cabbage Patch dolls hatching her plans while everyone else did her chores. She still does it only on a grander scale.
However after having said that, I would not put it past her to say that she was sexually abused as a child - if things get financially tough for her now and she starts to fade into the background. She is just that conniving and greedy enough to throw that into the mix to have it play out in public. Like everything else when it serves her purpose she will go on a talk show or to her favorite magazine to tell her story to get the attention back on her. And before I get jumped on I will add that IF she was abused it would be tragic.
BeDoneNow, how right you are, I have vacillated between despising her and feeling sorry for her that she's mentally ill and cannot even understand that she needs help. It's the curse of a narcissist to feel they know it all and it's always someone's elses fault.
However, I cannot let this go without saying, while we can discuss how she's been exploited by TLC, Barbara Walters, whoever has used her for ratings, etc., are we going to say that without taking any responsibility for exploiting her? Don't we treat her "like a display in a freak show" as well?
And regarding "that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away" aren't we feeding the squirrel instead of NOT feeding her so she'll "go away?"
I don't even know if my thoughts on this delicate subject will be published but it's worthy of discussion.
Marie, I agree that Kate is incredibly sexist and plays favorites with her kids. Personally, I think the order of preference in her pea brain is as follows: Hannah > the other little girls > the twins > the boys. She berated the boys to be 'men' even before they were in Kindergarten. Whenever some chore needs to be done, she often runs the boys around even if one of the girls is there. She didn't attend any of the boys' special days for JK8. She was so evil when she didnt let the boys eat their bday cupcakes for some bullshit reason. She also spoke megatively about men, Jon in particular, in front of the kids. She hasseled Jon about not doing anything right, always telling him that a husband should do this or that, implying somehow that he wasn't pulling his weight. This mistreatment of their father must have imprinted negative memories in those kids' heads. I have no idea how she could be so disparaging of her own sons. Boys ARE different from girls, but not better or worse. And even if her boys are dirtier or less advanced than her girls, so what? Don't you still love all your kids equally? Boys are supposed to mature more slowly than girls in general anyway. And for the record, I see no evidence that her boys are dirty or slow compared to their sisters. Those poor boys seem to have accepted their place in the pecking order, and it's so sad. They are sweet kids, though, and hopefully they will grow up to be kind to women, like their dad is, rather than feel the need to overpower women once they are freed from their horrible mother.
You know, I almost wish her parents and her sister's would step in and say something to the many lies and untruths Kate has claimed or stated. I mean if I was one of her sibs, HECK NO would I still be kept quiet!
I don't feel sorry for her. This is just my opinion, but I think she's a narcissistic con artist who exploits her children and will continue to do so if the opportunity presents itself. I'm more inclined to think she was a handful as a child (instigator, whiner, getting siblings in trouble, etc.). The "no one understands her or can help her" is her way of saying she doesn't really give a crap about others and everyone needs to bend down and kiss her feet. (Again, just my opinion)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377744/
I almost checked the movie out of the library 2 days ago.
I interpret "nobody knows how to help me" as Kate-speak for "they want to give me what they
have determined I need, but I want what I want".
Cribs she needed; she got cribs that were safe and quite nice. But they were not what she wanted. She had a perfectly functional kitchen in her new house; it wasn't the right color or something, so the kitchen she could have been thankful for needed to be completely redone to suit her need to have a new kitchen.
She wanted a housekeeper to keep up the house;
she got a woman who washed and dried piles of laundry, folded sheets, changed the sheets on at least 8 beds, swept up the kitchen floor, probably worked on the kids' play room for an hour that day, but didn't get around to chasing down the dirt hidden on a bookcase/cabinet and behind the hamper on that particular day. The large duty cleaning was what Kate needed, but it was not what she wanted. She wanted the details done. NOW.
It's so sad when I see people just lost in the
minutae of life and can't see the larger picture. Kate is too busy looking down for a speck of dirt that she doesn't appreciate the
house that dirt is in.
Kate is right. No one knows how to help her. People have tried. She has been the recipient of much kindness and generosity. But no one knows how to make her love her kids more than she loves money and attention. No one can convince her that she was lucky to have been married to Jon. No one is allowed access to her little paychecks if they offer sound advice meant to protect those kids. How can you help someone who won't listen unless you tell them exactly what they already think? And what do you do when that person's thinking is warped and detrimental to herself and her kids and ex-husband? How do you help someone who vindictive and selfish and mentally ill? Yes, Kate, no one knows how to help you and it's gotten to the point where no one wants to help you anymore. Enjoy your sexless, friendless, joyless life, bitch.
Probably to make up for being a homely, unpopular, mediocre student from a lower middle class family.
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Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school.
That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue. If she would admit that she needs help, it would be available to her. However, in order to enter a treatment program, one has to be aware that there is a problem. She would never admit that. Only time will tell how this sad saga will end.
I haven't posted or read in awhile. My Dad died on September 11 (of all days) after being in and out of ICU for 3 weeks. He was 88 so it was a blessing that he was very healthly up until the last 3 weeks of his life.
Anyway, I have been reading and catching up with all the comments tonight and have been very impressed by all the smart and insightful ones. I really think this website has been helpful in holding Kate's feet to the fire. The public no doubt has gradually "caught on" to her and will continue to do so. You know what struck me, I don't know why, but we all feel like Kate has been around forever getting break and break. At least I feel that way. But in reality, it hasn't even been a year since their divorce. It's only been about 18 months or so since the "major rumblings hit the fan" when Jon STARTED getting caught, per say, with other woman. To me it feels like this mess (Kate getting her way and making her way in public) has been years in the making. You know, I think there is a good shot that she not be around for much longer. Oh, she will pop up here and there through the years because of her 8 children, but I think the majority of her "heyday" is going to be well over in the next 6 months or so. Yeah!!! And thanks for this website for being a great factor contributing. Thanks, Admin.
Khate often mentions her mother, but have never heard her mention her father, even in passing, after having watched every episode of JK8 (none of K8 just clips) and reading Beth's book and the refrigerator notes book from the library.
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I also find it ridiculous that in one breath Kate is complaining the housekeeper doesn't speak English, and in the next complaining she wasn't doing everything on the list Kate wrote. I assume the list was in English, maybe that's why she didn't follow the list.
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I have to say, this is a pet peeve of mine. Making fun of someone's accent or imperfect English is boorish behavior. English is their second language,so if you're not a polyglot, best keep your pie hole shut.
Kate has yet to master English, so it really takes guts to point out someone else's less-than-perfect speaking capabilities. I'm talking about the servers in the Chinatown restaurant in NYC. You know, where Asian is how they communicate.
What an idiot.
I know this is OT, but has anyone tried to go to Ellen's blog? When I click on the URL, it redirects me to a picture that says "Bye Hater". I am not a hater of Ellen, and have never posted there. I just wonder if anyone else has a problem. Perhaps, someone has spammed her site?
OT as well, we've talked a lot about how Kate just lives how she THINKS the rich live, not how many of them actually do. This is an extreme example but it's a good one.
This is Mark Zuckerberg's house: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/25/article-1315097-0B575EEA000005DC-773_468x286.jpg
He is the CEO of Facebook and the world's youngest billionaire.
Here's the full article about his modest lifestyle. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315097/Facebook-founder-Mark-Zuckerberg-gives-glimpse-private-life-Oprah.html
He drives a Honda and gave away a ton of money to Newark schools. It's been widely reported (and this was even mentioned in the movie in which he doesn't come across that well overall) that he NEVER did Facebook for the money, he resisted making any money off it for years because it wasn't "cool" he thought it would ruin it. It was just for fun and to meet girls. Here's another guy wise way beyond his years. I think money CAN ruin people but it doesn't have to.
Maggie,
Sorry for the loss of your Dad, no matter how "expected" it is always heart wrenching. Sending you a hug.
Buffy... I went through SmallTownGosselins to get to her site. merely by accident. she seems to be very insightful for someone so young. I can see now she is young enough to keep up with all the kids and wise enough to know what is right and what is wrong.
My condolences Maggie. My father passed when he was 88 too back in 2002. I do miss him every day but I when I think of him it always brings a smile because he was a great man and I was very lucky to have him as my Dad.
You are in my thoughts and prayers.
Maggie, I am so sorry for your loss. Sending you prayers, love, & peace to you & your family.
Anon725said...
That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue.
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In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue.
(if interested, you can pull that interview up on youtube)
Buffy, I think Ellen will unblock you if you send her an email. She gets very nasty messages and was being cautious.
ellenr886@gmail.com
Tess said...
Anon725said...
That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue.
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In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue.
(if interested, you can pull that interview up on youtube)
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I find it very interesting that when Kate speaks about the lack of family in their lives, her emotions range from, well, nothing-a flat affect, to pure vitriol in her eyes when speaking of Kevin.
She has no remorse or regret for her children's sake. They have no Grandparents (what a shame!), no aunts, uncles or cousins. A huge, huge loss and void in their lives, yet when she speaks about it, she might as well be saying "pass me a tissue". There's just nothing, and no accounts of how her kids feel about it.
Now, contrast that with her account of her and her kids' reactions to the loss of their film crew, and the water works get turned on, she's always sure to mention how devastated the kids are. "Wailing in unison" or something similar is how she described it. Yet, their own family is cut out of their lives and what? there's no effect on them? How can that be?
Again, Kate imposes her values, view and will on the chidren.
Thanks, Admin for the video. Very interesting. I, too, believe Kate's chest has been "blown-up". All the lies out of her mouth just need to stop. Apparently, she passes on that "unhappy childhood" to anyone within earshot. This is a sad story that will end badly.
Oh, how I wish people would stop talking about Ellen, but I guess that's never going to happen.
In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue.
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When has she ever told the truth? She's a narcissist and as such, she's blaming everyone for everything. I wouldn't put any stock in what she says in an interview.
Maggie, So sorry about your dad. Sending you a hug.
In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue.
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If it's a clue to anything it would be that she's a histrionic narcissist. Being a middle child to Kate means 'forgotten'. She couldn't just be the middle child and leave it at that. I mean really, how DARE her parents have children before or after her, when all they really should have needed was Kate. So of course in her head that justifies declaring her childhood 'unhappy'.
Typical of Kate to trash the poor woman on national tv and then dump her. What about giving her a chance to learn how the Queen of Mean wants the cleaning done? But then Kate couldn't play the martyr.
I'm more inclined to think she was a handful as a child (instigator, whiner, getting siblings in trouble, etc.).
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In the "Kate-Her Story" episode with Natalie Morales, Kate said that her brother Kevin would often take the blame for her, saying "Katie no do it. I do it." I'm beginning to wonder if Kate, even as a youngster, bullied and controlled him into taking the blame so she wouldn't be wrong and get in trouble. That, or again, she doesn't like boys, so she may have wanted to see her own brother get in trouble. This is just a theory, I could be totally wrong.
Maggie said... I haven't posted or read in awhile. My Dad died on September 11 (of all days) after being in and out of ICU for 3 weeks. He was 88 so it was a blessing that he was very healthly up until the last 3 weeks of his life.
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My condolences Maggie. My dad died nine years ago one week before 911 at the age of 79; my mom always said that if his heart had not killed him, 911 would have. I hope your happy memories of your father sustain you and your family during this trying time.
Ellen is just a girlfriend to Jon, so why does everyone bash her (sheeples)? Leave the girl alone, she has a nice government job and seems real nice. She seems to like him and his kids. I really think she should be left alone.
Regarding Kate and OCD....I believe that it is very similar to Kate and her "low blood sugar." She throws medical terms around casually all of the time - says "I have OCD" and "I have low blood sugar" without regards to the fact that they are very real medical conditions that real people suffer from. She also uses the term "stomach flu" when there is no such thing, and I'm sure if I spent some time thinking about it (which I'm not going to!), I could come up with other examples. You'd think a nurse would use medical terms more appropriately. Oh - another one is that she said "we went through fertility" instead of "we went through fertility treatments" or "we had infertility."
Did anyone see the guy on Big Brother this summer who said that his wife had a serious disease in order to get further in the game? He was bashed BIG time for it. But the thing with Kate is very similar - oh look at me, I have OCD, that's why I'm like this (no, you're just a control freak and mean.) Oh look at me, I have low blood sugar (no, you're just tired and hungry and want to be fed first before your children and your entourage and all of the other people in the restaurant.)
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Abusers always isolate their victims from loved ones. It's about control, control, control.
I've never heard Kate actually say she has OCD. I thought that was an assumption made by others. Actually I never heard her say "we went through fertility" either. That's an odd thing to say. I doubt I saw every episode though, so I no doubt missed some things.
Robin said... Regarding Kate and OCD....I believe that it is very similar to Kate and her "low blood sugar." She throws medical terms around casually all of the time - says "I have OCD" and "I have low blood sugar" without regards to the fact that they are very real medical conditions that real people suffer from.
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Technically, OCD is not a "medical condition." It's diagnosed using the DSM-IV, which is basically a check-list of symptoms/behaviors, assessing mental health "disorders" (it's also used to assess eating disorders, ADHD, and alcoholism, to name a few "disorders" that are not proven to be "medically" based).
That said, I agree with you 100%: Kate throws around medical terms so carelessly and often incorrectly, it's frightening that this woman has a nursing license. As for her alleged OCD --that is a crock and a half. She's a control-freak who needs to micro-manage every aspect of her kids' lives -- and NOT from the stand-point of an over-protective, loving mother. She sucks the joy out of their playtime, vactations, meals, lives -- all because she needs to CONTROL them. That is not OCD. That's just buzzkill bitchiness. She's also not the germaphobe she professes to be (no self-respecting germaphobe would be caught dead walking the streets of NYC BAREFOOT). These "diagnoses" are just TLC's lame attempt to give dimension and character to an otherwise uninteresting and not-so-smart-ish shrew. It's also a lame attempt to cover/excuse her impatience and bitchiness. [Pssst, TLC: It's not working].
FOE-Thanks for giving me Ellen's email. I did email and received a very gracious reply. She seems like a very nice person, with a good head on her shoulders.
Admin-Sorry for the OT posts. I just realized that maybe you should delete the post with Ellen's email. From what she says, she gets a lot of hate mail and hate messages. Thanks
If indeed it is Kate's mother posting on the sheeple site (and I have serious doubts it is), does Mrs. Kreider have no self-esteem whatsoever? How can she support her daughter on a public blog, when Kate does nothing but talk smack about her entire family, mother included? It's baffling.
That alone tells me MomofKT is probably a fraud.
Anon725said...
Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school.
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Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"...
"Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough."
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OK...now between this and "I had a VERY unhappy childhood" in her Natalie interview, Kate surely saw her childhood differently than you saw it, Anon725.
This woman, Kate Gosselin, definitely needs some psychological help. (btw, how terrible was it for Kate to throw her mom and dad under the bus like that in the Natalie interview without clarifying her statement?...it left us all alone with our imaginations. ugh)
I have looked up & down this damn internet, & cannot find anything on People's sales for Kate's cover. Yep, I'm bored. I know today was the day the issue was to be pulled off the shelves just by reading the blogs, & it's been pulled for awhile now. Either it bombed, or the numbers just aren't out yet. I'm hoping on bombing. Did you notice they put her on the cover when they did the Best/Worst dressed list for the year? I think they probably thought the magazine wouldn't have sold otherwise. What's this obsession that Kate Coyle(?) chick has for KG anyways? Hopefully, the issue was a total failure & Kate won't be gracing anymore covers. You'll all be happy to know she wasn't in US Weekly. In Touch or Star this week. (I buy them for my mom).
That must really get her. When once she used to be in them all the time, now, not nary a blip. Love it! Fading fast, Kate Gosselin!
Tess said...
Anon725said...
Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school.
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Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"...
"Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough."
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OK...now between this and "I had a VERY unhappy childhood" in her Natalie interview, Kate surely saw her childhood differently than you saw it, Anon725.
This woman, Kate Gosselin, definitely needs some psychological help. (btw, how terrible was it for Kate to throw her mom and dad under the bus like that in the Natalie interview without clarifying her statement?...it left us all alone with our imaginations. ugh)
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So if someone were to interview random people who grew up in your neighborhood about your childhood and their perceptions differed from yours, would you immediately seek psychological help? According to your logic, if the perspectives of outsiders were to differ from your own perceptions, their perceptions would be more valid.
I'm curious what the alleged "Kate's mom" has to say about Kate's unhappy childhood. If her mom had nothing to do with it, why didn't Kate say, I had an unhappy childhood except for my mother? She's such a fraud.
Administrator said...
I'm curious what the alleged "Kate's mom" has to say about Kate's unhappy childhood. If her mom had nothing to do with it, why didn't Kate say, I had an unhappy childhood except for my mother? She's such a fraud.
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How are you in a position to know whether Kate had an unhappy childhood? You weren't part of it, so you have no basis for judgment. Not to mention that "happiness" is subjective so if she feels aspects of her childhood were not happy, that's neither right nor wrong, it's simply her perception. She didn't claim her entire childhood was miserable, she said that parts were not happy. I'd venture that many people would say the same if they were being honest. That doesn't equate to evil, horrible parents, it just means that most people's lives are not the embodiment of a Norman Rockwell painting.
Kate uses the terms "OCD" and "Low Blood Sugar" to justify and excuse her behavior. As in "It's not my fault, I have OCD" or "It's not my fault, I have low blood sugar".
Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
PatE said...Abusers always isolate their victims from loved ones. It's about control, control, control.
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Exactly. That's why Kevin and Jodi got the boot. Kate can't risk her children having confidantes, it would ruin her.
How are you in a position to know whether Kate had an unhappy childhood?
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Kate said herself she had an "unhappy" childhood. We are supposed to believe Kate in everything else she said, but now we're not supposed to believe her when she said she had an unhappy childhood?
Unhappiness is really just an opinion anyway not a fact. I have no idea if Kate's childhood was unhappy or not. It was unhappy in her mind. Let me put it this way, I am just curious what is Kate's "mother's" response to all the negativity Kate has expressed about her childhood as well as her cryptic, the grandparents are not part of our lives statement. I'm just curious if this person has ever addressed the white elephant, that's all.
Personally I think it's tacky to tell a national TV audience your childhood was unhappy without giving the people responsible for that childhood, namely her parents, a forum to respond. Exactly what Kate did to the housekeeper. I think the public forum to rip on whoever she wants to knowing they really can't respond went to Kate's head.
Well...I THINK she had a miserable childhood....AND NOTHING has changed. She is a MISERABLE adult!!
Enough, is NEVER enough for this wench.
Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"...
"Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough."
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I didn't read the book, but I'm not so sure that I would believe everything that she wrote. She does have a credibility problem and a history of contradicting herself. She's not really a believable person, although being afraid that she would never have enough most likely is true. It continues to be true -- she's never going to be satisfied with what she has.
It wasn't my intention to make any psychological evaluations here. I was responding to the person who said that Kate was homely, unpopular, from a lower middle class family, was a mediocre student who didn't go to a prestigious private school.
I only call it as I remember it:
1. Kate was not homely in high school.
2. Kate was a cheerleader. Cheerleaders are not unpopular, homely nerds.
3. Kate's father was a businessman who owned acres and acres of prime ag land in Lancaster County.
4. Kate did not go to a public school. She graduated from a private school that has a fine reputation in the area.
Somewhere, somehow, something went terribly wrong in her life and only she knows what it is. I seem to recall Jon saying in the interview with the rabbi (directed to Kate) that she knows what's wrong and she knows how to fix it. She does need to see a mental health professional, but I think her narcissism isn't going to allow it. She has no circle of friends or close family who would step in and tell her that she needs help. She wouldn't listen anyway. Something's gotta give, and I think it's going to be sooner rather than later.
silimom said... Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but I have to add to my post about OCD and the DSM-IV from above. NOBODY "has" OCD. You're diagnosed as exhibiting behaviors consistent with an OCD traits, but there is no such thing as an OCD "disease." It's not a medical diagnosis or condition, or something one "has." You just check enough boxes on the diagnostic check-list to qualify as being characterized as one with the condition. It's not a medical diagnosis. IMO, Kate sees OCD as an admirable condition, as those who suffer from it tend to be hyper-organized and focus on details to the extreme. I think Kate/TLC assumed this would add to Kate’s image as the hyper-organized mom. I think history has proven that Kate is anything but organized, and that she suffers from delusions of grandeur, and not from OCD. But, as I stated above, I'm "in agreeance" (gag) with you, silimom -- Kate is self-diagnosing in order to excuse some pretty inexcusable behavior.
How do we know that the "unhappy childhood" isn't all in her mind -- a fabricated excuse for the miserable person she is now? She admitted that she isn't well liked, and this could be her way of justifying her short-comings. Don't narcissists put the blame on everyone for everything?
First...my condolences to Maggie. I care for my 83 y.o. father and I dread the day he passes...I truly dread it.
Kate is a very unlikeable person in general...I feel that it's because she's a narcissistic abuser. But to me, the bigger issue is TLC....and the tactics used by them. IMO, the level of accountability with which Kate can be held doesn't even come close to the level TLC should be. One is a person with some likely psychiatric issues and the other entity is a corporation. And as has already been mentioned here...they have also taken Kate for a ride as well, most likely.
Anyone who has ever tried to get photographs of their young children knows full well how many hours and hours it must take to get enough usable film....and then there's all the magazine posed group photos....and can pretty well imagine how much those kids work...a LOT.
There are always going to be parents who don't raise their kids exactly as we think they should. But to have an entire corporation complicit in committing what I consider to be almost blatant child abuse is absolutely NOT acceptable.
Moose Mania said...
How do we know that the "unhappy childhood" isn't all in her mind -- a fabricated excuse for the miserable person she is now? She admitted that she isn't well liked, and this could be her way of justifying her short-comings. Don't narcissists put the blame on everyone for everything?
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Exactly. If she can go on The View and talk about carrying around a purse full of bills she can't pay, she can say anything.
Who is watching the chickens said... However, I cannot let this go without saying, while we can discuss how she's been exploited by TLC, Barbara Walters, whoever has used her for ratings, etc., are we going to say that without taking any responsibility for exploiting her? Don't we treat her "like a display in a freak show" as well?
And regarding "that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away" aren't we feeding the squirrel instead of NOT feeding her so she'll "go away?"
I don't even know if my thoughts on this delicate subject will be published but it's worthy of discussion.
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Who Is Watching, good points and they ARE worthy of discussion. Apparently not here, however (Did someone above mention the elephant in the living room thingy? LOL) One day this will all be discussed. Of course you could start your own kind of blog!? Just sayin....
It's a Circle, we have discussed the issue of whether the blogs keep this family going many, many times in many other threads. We have discussed this topic for months. Go back and read some great discussion about this topic.
Please do not suggest that I don't allow this topic to be discussed because I have and given people a ton of liberty to do so. If you would like to discuss it again, you are welcome to. Go ahead.
Also just a friendly reminder please don't use the expression "just sayin'" anymore. It has a condesending tone to it and I don't like it. This goes for everyone.
First off, added condolences to Maggie. My FIL passed away in March at age 91 - such a loss.
Secondly, and totally off topic, but last night I watched a special on Tiger Woods (on CBC) called Tiger Woods: The Rise and Fall
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/2010/tigerwoods/
The show highlighted an affair he had many years ago with a local waitress. He was busted by a tabloid (sorry, can NOT remember which one) and in exchange for the tabloid not publishing the story Tiger agreed to be on the cover of Men's Health magazine.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233559/Tiger-Woods-8-hour-diner-waitress-deal-kept-affair-news.html
Totally made me wonder what is going on with Kate that she is on so many magazine covers?!
Administrator said... Also just a friendly reminder please don't use the expression "just sayin'" anymore. It has a condesending tone to it and I don't like it. This goes for everyone.
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From Julie Klam,
author of "You Had Me at Woof." As published in Reader's Digest in their October issue.
"Just Sayin'"
They're two little words innocuous enough on their own, though together they are poison. Just Sayin' is the Hummel Lil' Rascal of figures of speech, harmless until you look closer and see the slingshot in his back pocket. The way it's used is in the form of a pulled punch. "No one above the age of seven should be seen chewing gum. Just sayin'." "My boss smells like a brewery. Just sayin'." It's like a coy kicking of the dirt. "I'm going to say something offensive, but by adding these two words, I won't have to take responsibility for it."
Sorry, should have said Men's Fitness magazine!
Administrator said...
“It's a Circle, we have discussed the issue of whether the blogs keep this family going many, many times in many other threads. We have discussed this topic for months. Go back and read some great discussion about this topic.”
--> Sorry, I’ve missed those discussions. Not sure how I’d find them.
“Please do not suggest that I don't allow this topic to be discussed because I have and given people a ton of liberty to do so. If you would like to discuss it again, you are welcome to. Go ahead.”
-->I wasn’t the one who suggested that you wouldn’t allow this topic be discussed. That was “Who Is Watching…Chickens.” I appreciate the openness of this blog.
--> Regarding the friendly reminder, I apologize. I didn’t realize that phrase was offensive.
IATK - Thanks for the heads up on "that" phrase. Just took the sling shot out of my pocket.
"Just Sayin'"
They're two little words innocuous enough on their own, though together they are poison. Just Sayin' is the Hummel Lil' Rascal of figures of speech, harmless until you look closer and see the slingshot in his back pocket. The way it's used is in the form of a pulled punch. "No one above the age of seven should be seen chewing gum. Just sayin'." "My boss smells like a brewery. Just sayin'." It's like a coy kicking of the dirt. "I'm going to say something offensive, but by adding these two words, I won't have to take responsibility for it."
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I didn't know how politically incorrect I was. I hate when that happens.
Just Sayin', I don't have an objection to you using the phrase as your screenname. What I'm getting tired of is folks ending their post with the phrase. Just say what you mean, no need to add just saying, or for that matter, IMO, and so on. If you need to add those qualifiers then don't post at all.
I'm not usually nitpicky but for some reason this has been grating on me.
Ok, thanks for the clarification. I honestly didn't think it was offensive.
Administrator said...
I'm curious what the alleged "Kate's mom" has to say about Kate's unhappy childhood. If her mom had nothing to do with it, why didn't Kate say, I had an unhappy childhood except for my mother? She's such a fraud.
October 4, 2010 6:03 PM
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Thanks for bringing this up, Administrator. I find it really bizarre that "Kate's mom" is allegedly posting online and not talking about Kate's "childhood" whatsoever or Kate's description of it. In fact it's even more bizarre when you read her "alleged" posts, it's like the interview about the "unhappy childhood" never happened. Strange, to say the least.
Knock on wood, but does anyone else think Kate has truly gone underground? I'm glad she's disappeared for awhile, but it's such odd behavior for her.
Wonder if Team Damage Control advised her to disappear for awhile while things blow over.
Admin, it seems to me that except for the People cover that was already in the works, Kate has been quiet ever since her appearance on the Regis show and her controversial slams against Jon. I can see damage control as a possibility. I am still wondering WHY she was in People. Other than she let it be known she was in the market for a man. Something doesn't add up.
I think it could also very well be a custody thing. Jon's got a court date in November. He may very likely accuse Kate of being a famewhore and child exploiter. Kate's got a little more than a month to do an about face--spend time with the kids, stay out of the paparazzi's way, for God sake don't film anything, and don't say ANYTHING about Jon let alone negative things. Then I can just picture that hearing, Kate's lawyers trying to say hey have you heard from her the past month, NO!
Too little too late Kate.
Something is up!
Kart can't stay out the public eye, she lives for the attention. I think something big may be going down, she's way too quiet.
Anyone heard from the purse carrier lately?
Admin, I have a fun idea since it's a slow news week. Put up a Twisted Kate thread and we can all come up with job ideas that would fit her *unique* personality!?
^^^I'm convinced that she's underground until after the November custody hearing.
One month of hibernation cannot make up for six years of exploitaiton.
LOL. My son had custody of his child and his ex was the same way, calling their son and actually showing up for visitation only just before court dates. This was a woman who NEVER sent her son a birthday/Christmas or any kind of gift or card either. You're right. Eventually it becomes too little too late.
The custody hearing is Nov. 30th, that's a long time for Katie Irene to sit still. You'd think it'd be time to pump some gas soon.
Admin, how do the courts look at the situation when a divorced man or woman has a live-in significant other when children are involved? I was just curious if a judge takes this type of living arrangement into consideration when determining custody/visitation. Couples living together is so common anymore but I wasn't sure how that is viewed by the courts. In my experience it was never an issue but I'm not sure if that's always the case.
AuntieAnn said... PatE said...Abusers always isolate their victims from loved ones. It's about control, control, control.
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Exactly. That's why Kevin and Jodi got the boot. Kate can't risk her children having confidantes, it would ruin her.
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It must burn Kart's arse that the children can confide in Jon. Evidence you ask? How about the clip where they were screeching in terror at going home.
****Administrator said... Knock on wood, but does anyone else think Kate has truly gone underground? I'm glad she's disappeared for awhile, but it's such odd behavior for her.
Wonder if Team Damage Control advised her to disappear for awhile while things blow over.
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Admin, my guess would be that Kart got the memo you posted above LMAO.
Tess said...The custody hearing is Nov. 30th, that's a long time for Katie Irene to sit still. You'd think it'd be time to pump some gas soon.
I agree Tess!! Kate is too much of a fame-whore to not be in the public eye. She craves the spot light. She HAS to do something. Watch. She'll screw up somehow.
Administrator said...
Personally I think it's tacky to tell a national TV audience your childhood was unhappy without giving the people responsible for that childhood, namely her parents, a forum to respond. Exactly what Kate did to the housekeeper. I think the public forum to rip on whoever she wants to knowing they really can't respond went to Kate's head.
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You're making assumptions. First, she didn't say she had "an unhappy childhood." She said parts of it weren't happy. There is a fundamental difference. You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc.
My heart aches for the grandparents!
After reading your comments today, I feel for Kate and her children more than ever. Arm chair opinions here, that's all. To the posters who have said maybe sex abuse in her childhood by her Father, is an awful thing for anyone to say. Do you think the kids deserve to read those kind of comments later on in their lives.
Go Tony!!! Tony came in first last night with a beautiful performance. Anything is possible without KG in your life.
"You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc."
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Actually, Kate has said before the family was always worried about money and that she never had opportunities in childhood....seems to me that is an indirect slam at her parents. Kate never said she was bullied, was ill, or someone died. Regardless, you don't say parts were unhappy then not clarify it and then expect people to assume that had nothing to do with the people who raised you. Now THAT is an assumption.
Look at it this way. Imagine that was your daughter. Imagine your daughter said on national TV "parts of my childhood were unhappy." Then left it at that. I don't know what parent wouldn't be incredibly hurt by that. The LOGICAL assumption is that it had something to do with her family. Not saying it does, but that's the logic normal people (non-sheeple) would have. It's like how she said "certain ones" tip off the paparazzi, a statement TLC later edited out of the first episode of Kate Plus 8. She never said Jon specifically, but we all know she was talking about Jon. Come on.
Whether "parts" were unhappy or it was unhappy is splitting hairs--she told a national TV audience something negative about her childhood then didn't give anyone part of that childhood the chance to respond--tacky any which way you slice it. I don't care if she said one week of her childhood was unhappy, it's tacky. She wants people to leave her alone then she passive-aggressively discloses such personal information like that.
Fact: Kate said the grandparents are not part of their day to day lives.
Fact: The grandparents have never, ever been on the show, with the exception of Jon's grandma.
Fact: The grandparents have never been spoken about on the show either by the kids or Kate.
Fact: The grandparents have never once been seen with the children even though the paparazzi camped out at the house for months. We saw Nana Joan and Jodi, but no grandparents.
Fact: Despite all this evidence there is someone on the internet claiming that she is Kate's mom, their relationship is good, and she sees the kids.
I hope Kate's mom IS in their lives, I think kids need a grandparent. I think she needs to spend more time working with Kate through these issues Kate has. Maybe some conjoing therapy.
Thought you all would like to know one of our laws in NS. It's illegal to smoke in a vehicle with children present. Our government tries to protect our children. Too bad PA doesn't protect the Gosselin 8.
For your reading pleasure.
Couple ticketed for smoking with kid in car
A couple was ticketed for smoking in a car with a child Monday.
Halifax Regional Police stopped a vehicle in the 2400 block of Robie Street in Halifax just before 9 a.m. after officers spotted two adults smoking with an eight-year-old boy in the car.
A 39-year-old man and a woman, 30, received tickets under Nova Scotia’s Smoke-free Places Act for smoking in a vehicle with a person under 19 present.
This section of the act carries a maximum fine of $2,000 for a first offence.
Much Ado About Nothing said... Administrator said...
Personally I think it's tacky to tell a national TV audience your childhood was unhappy without giving the people responsible for that childhood, namely her parents, a forum to respond. Exactly what Kate did to the housekeeper. I think the public forum to rip on whoever she wants to knowing they really can't respond went to Kate's head.
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You're making assumptions. First, she didn't say she had "an unhappy childhood." She said parts of it weren't happy. There is a fundamental difference. You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc.
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If Kate had un unhappy childhood because a favorite person died, or because she or somebody she loved had a lot of health issues, don't you think Kate would milk that for all the sympathy it was worth? It would help people feel her pain, gather her in. No, I see her "parts of childhood" she is referring to are
a definite aim at somebody, whether parents, siblings or friends whom she felt let her down
in some way. In her coy way, she just threw out the statement, did not comment, and left it up to the audience to decide what to do with it.
In my work I see people do that a lot. What they want is for me to assume something basically minor is some truly earthshaking thing. They simply want the attention without you knowing that they're being overly dramatic.
If you press them on it, they will tell you they don't want to discuss it, it's too painful, or that they don't want to burden you with their woes.
Administrator said…Whether "parts" were unhappy or it was unhappy is splitting hairs--she told a national TV audience something negative about her childhood then didn't give anyone part of that childhood the chance to respond--tacky any which way you slice it. I don't care if she said one week of her childhood was unhappy, it's tacky. She wants people to leave her alone then she passive-aggressively discloses such personal information like that.
I’m having difficulty following this logic. Many celebrities have said in interviews through TV, magazines and biography programs that they had unhappy childhoods. I haven’t seen the parents of these celebrities appear to defend themselves. How would that work? A celebrity says on a talk show that they had an unhappy childhood, then the talk show calls the parents and asks them to appear on a later show to defend themselves?
Hippie Chick --
I also remember that episode about the interviewing and trying housekeepers. That was the beginning of them showing us her rudeness. It was sprinkled here and there; but there was a feeling of maybe she was under such stress...and we kept watching.
From what we now know, let's look at it this way: That is one woman who really dodged a bullet by not working for them regularly. I can also remember one of their couch interviews where Jon said something about the first couple of years where they had been through something like 30 babysitters. I think it was meant that the job was so overwhelming; but now we know how that household really operated.
Moose Mania said... How do we know that the "unhappy childhood" isn't all in her mind -- a fabricated excuse for the miserable person she is now?
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Far be it from me to find anything to do w/Kate, that I'd 'stick up for'...but, MY (and Kates') perception is MY reality. Doesn't matter what anyone else sees, it doesn't change it for me.
I'm sure Kate's belief that her childhood wasn't happy translates to..
"I didn't get everything handed to me on a 'silver' platter".
Good law, Linda in N.S. It's a law in many Canadian provinces as well as it is in many U.S.states.
Here's a PA law for your reading pleasure, Linda...it's against the law to exceed the posted speed limit.
On Nov. 4, 2009 the Gettysburg (PA) Times reported that Kate Gosselin sped on Rt. 15 which bypasses Gettysburg at a speed of 84mph in a 65mph zone and fined $109.50
AND
In Adams Co (PA) on Feb. 21,2010 police reported Kate Gosselin was ticketed for driving 73mph in a 55mph zone. Police also reported that Gosselin's children were in the vehicle with her. 5 days later Gosselin pled guilty and paid the $155.00 fine.
Linda in NS said...
Thought you all would like to know one of our laws in NS. It's illegal to smoke in a vehicle with children present. Our government tries to protect our children. Too bad PA doesn't protect the Gosselin 8.
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That law is not unique to Nova Scotia. I live in California and it is illegal to smoke in a car with anyone under 18 present here.
Much Ado About Nothing said...
You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc.
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Exactly my point when I said she left the audience alone with our imaginations as she didn't clarify what she meant by UNHAPPY.
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Fact: The grandparents have never been spoken about on the show either by the kids or Kate.
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Well, there was that one time that Alexis said at the kitchen table, "daddy's at his mommy's house". Not at grandma's...strange, sad. (I think this was spoken when he had gone to "help his mom since she had a broken foot".)
Fact: The grandparents have never been spoken about on the show either by the kids or Kate.
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Didn't she say ON THE SHOW that her father would start projects and never finish them? I can't remember her exact words -- or was it something like things needed to be done around the house and he just never got around to doing them?
Re: unhappy parts of childhood.
I can relate. I grew up in upper middle class mid-sized city. I lived in a 4 bedroom house with an intact family in a loving home. I was a member of the country club, and had just about everything I needed.
I still wasn't happy. My friends' parents had more money, bigger cars, more expensive clothes.
I was jealous, and I felt deprived.
I know it was stupid to feel that way - NOW. I grew out of it and came to appreciate all my parents provided for me and where their priorities lay. But I can't deny I thought my friends' parents loved them more because every time they wanted a new outfit, a new car, a new
gadget, they got it. I didn't. I was mad at my parents for not treating me the way I thought I deserved.
I see a lot of Kate in myself when I was a kid.
Fortunately, I grew up. She may still be locked into the "I deserved better" mode, and may be why she is showering her children with the lavish home, the fashion ensembles, the pricey school and driving the big flashy car.
It's not a loving home, it's a home where the material things measure your value.
I hope this makes sense. It does to me.
Anonymous said... After reading your comments today, I feel for Kate and her children more than ever. Arm chair opinions here, that's all. To the posters who have said maybe sex abuse in her childhood by her Father, is an awful thing for anyone to say. Do you think the kids deserve to read those kind of comments later on in their lives.
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Anonymous,
I can't find any place on this thread where anyone said she was sexually abused by her father. If you are referring to my comment, I said I wouldn't put it past her to say she was sexually abused as a child. I didn't say a word about her dad. Kate said her childhood or parts of it were unhappy and then leaves the door wide open for speculation. She should either explain why she says that or not say it in the first place.
Personally I think she doesn't speak to her father because he probably told her what an ungrateful bitch she was back when she thumbed her nose at the cribs and donations (etc) from the church and community. I'm sure it was an embarrassment for him to have a daughter who was so unappreciative and self-centered. He and his wife still had to live and work in that town.
As far as the kids reading comments like these later in life, it is sad and no, they don't deserve it. Unfortunately they're going to read a lot of things about their family that should have always remained private. Even sadder than that is they had to be put in this vulnerable position by their very own mother.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMXhFm5lz30
Or just search Mommie Dearst Redone in Youtube. Nearly died laughing. I have watched it numerous times lol
Tess said...
Much Ado About Nothing said...
You have no idea which "parts" she's talking about. If someone was bullied relentlessly in school, for example, that doesn't mean their parents are responsible or that they blame their parents. There are lots of things that detract from happiness for which no one is to blame, such as illness, death of a family member, etc.
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Exactly my point when I said she left the audience alone with our imaginations as she didn't clarify what she meant by UNHAPPY.
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She doesn't owe anyone an explanation or details. If you want to let your imagination run wild, that's your issue not hers.
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I hope this makes sense. It does to me
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It very much made sense to me, fm. Best point you made was that you 'grew up' into an adult.
Whether you figured this out on your own and/or with the help of a counselor...good for you.
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In watching that entire interview with Natalie once more I kept feeling so sorry for Kate that she wasn't talking to a therapist IN PRIVATE instead of a journalist with cameras.
Kate revealed that it would take "probably 10 years for her to figure out the A LOT that was unhappy in her childhood".
AND..so? Kate, why aren't you? That was probably the most or only insightful thing Kate said the entire interview.
(and @anon 1:59, I still think it was unthoughtful to her parents reveal that without clarification)
If only she had started getting some mental help last November instead of, or maybe even along with visiting with Natalie, she could have been '1 year down, only 9 more to go' by now.
"Bitch" is not a... - you and I disagree about whether mental illness is in fact a "condition" or an "illness". I would refer people to http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mental-illness/
for a wonderful discussion on the topic.
What we do agree on is that Kate uses medical terminology erroneously to justify and excuse her (at best) rude behaviors, to the disservice of those who truly do suffer from OCD, etc. I have several children with high functioning autism and Asperger's. I took offense a year ago when people tried to explain her behavior by saying she's an undiagnosed autistic simply due to her lack of social skills. My children have enough challenges, they do not need Kate Gosselin held up as a model of autistic behavior.
I think, imo, Ms. Gosselin truly has some legitimate personality issues. I hope Ms. Gosselin is able to gain perspective on her life and realize how truly blessed she is and that moves her to change her attitude and become a more loving and giving individual. Paging Charles Dickens....
She doesn't owe anyone an explanation or details. If you want to let your imagination run wild, that's your issue not hers.
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She didn't need to put that statement out there in the first place, but she chose to do so. It was a teaser that was dangled in front of the audience so that they WOULD speculate what she meant. She knew exactly what she was doing, and if she ever had to offer an explanation for bizarre behavior, she could point to her declaration of an unhappy childhood, saying that she made this public some time ago on national television. Intelligent and classy, she's not; cheeky and cunning, she is.
Moose Mania said... She doesn't owe anyone an explanation or details. If you want to let your imagination run wild, that's your issue not hers.
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She didn't need to put that statement out there in the first place, but she chose to do so. It was a teaser that was dangled in front of the audience so that they WOULD speculate what she meant. She knew exactly what she was doing, and if she ever had to offer an explanation for bizarre behavior, she could point to her declaration of an unhappy childhood, saying that she made this public some time ago on national television. Intelligent and classy, she's not; cheeky and cunning, she is.
Well said Moose. While she may not owe an explanation to anyone else, she does owe an explanation to her children, the people whom she has deprived of the wonderful gift of having grandparents in their lives. While she's at it she might explain to them why she estranged other people they were very bonded to and loved, like Aunt Jodi and Beth.
Also if she doesn't want people questioning what she says, she shouldn't have said something that passive aggressive and cryptic and loaded. Why is Kate's childhood any of our business? It's not. We didn't bring it up, KATE DID. Kate shouldn't bring it up. Tacky, classless, unnecessary.
And when someone has a bad childhood because of school, usually they say "school was rough for me." I've never heard anyone say my childhood was rough without following it up with something to do with their parents--i.e. I was abused, my father died, my parents divorced, my mom was an alcoholic. I don't care what others assume but for Kate to not assume that some if not MOST people would go there is naive at best. I think that woman knew exactly what she was doing.
I think that woman knew exactly what she was doing.
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Or at least the person whispering in her earpiece did. The entire interview with Morales was a snow job designed to keep the brand going & the focus on Kate. It was a vomit fest.
Anonymous, as to your rude comment why we are analyzing every word Kate said a year ago, we're not analyzing every word. We're taking a look at ONE THING she said about her childhood. We are doing this because there is some person on the internet claiming to be Kate's mother and representing their relationship as a positive one. People are simply pointing out the clues, evidence, and innuendo said by Kate herself that suggest otherwise. This is called fact-finding. Kate gave one "clue" about her childhood stating it was unhappy, and that's what we're discussing here. All that was asked was what this person claiming to be her mom has to say about that, if anything. I'm not sure why sheeple should be threatened by this. If it had nothing to do with her mom as sheeple are so adament about, then why do you care what we think?
This is exactly what TLC wants, for everyone to forget what Kate said a year ago, two years ago, two weeks ago. That isn't going to happen here so if you don't like it you can go elsewhere.
None of us knows what went on in Kate's childhood at home or outside school. What we have learned is that Kate exaggerates to the hilt. It can't be 95 degrees, it has to be 340 degrees outside. It can't be 8 children, it has to be 900 children swarming around her fridge while she's trying to put food away.
So, with this in mind, it could be that Kate remembers the times when her parents told her she could not, for example, go to Chicago with her friends for the weekend, and it became "I'm a prisoner in this house." Or her parents made her do chores she didn't want to do, and it became "slave labor" in her mind. Normal parenting decisions, often wise ones, can be interpreted as mean and cruel to some children, and are not forgotten easily.
Just a thought. Of course I have no way of knowing, but Kate gives me plenty to speculate on.
That is just so HILARIOUS! :D
(Note: I saw the video a few days ago, but it's no longer up there. Did you take it down?)
To anon 1:59, your comment was rude and sheeplish. Kate implied that her parents somehow ruined her childhood during that interview as a way to justify shutting them out of her kids' lives. If they were so horrible, then why did she allow the twins to live with them when she was pregnant with the tups? Yes, she dangled the claim of an unhappy childhood and did leave us to so set what the hell that meant. I think wants people to think she was victimized; look at how she behaves as if Jon was an awful husband when it was he who suffered mightily being married to her. Personally, I'll bet Kate WAS unhappy and resentful that she wasn't rich, beautiful, worldly or special in any real way. She was pissed off to be average and forgettable. And she still seems obsessed with proving that she is all those things she never was. Sad that she is memorable now, but as a horrible person and mother obsessed with fame and money and her looks. And for the record, she looks old, saggy, and evil.
My point is not that the media should give parents a chance to respond when someone like Kate throws them under the bus, that would obviously be impractical, but my point was that because her parents cannot respond and Kate has the upper hand so to speak (a public forum, the media), it's tacky and classless to speak about this topic to the media. It's easy to say whatever you feel like knowing that the other party would have a very hard time getting their fair say in. That's being a coward and being passive aggressive. I wonder how Kate would fair if she had to actually say these things to their faces.
In my opinion this goes for all celebs. I don't think anyone should be talking badly about people from their childhood. What good does it do to tell Larry King your mother didn't give you icecream when you wanted it? Address these issues in therapy, behind closed doors. Perhaps invite your parents to join the therapy. Of course I do not have a problem with talking about abuse in order to spread awareness and stop it. For instance I think Alison Angrim should talk all she wants about the relative who molested her (she has never revealed which relative or his name) because it's spreading awareness about sexual abuse. But Kate has never ever suggested her parents abused her nor is there really any hard evidence of that. She implies just that her childhood wasn't up to Kate standards, just like nothing is.
The video is a hoot! Wow, does Kate look completely different! First off, helloooo!! The boobs looked smaller and better before the magic bra. Secondly, I never realized how much filler she has in her face until now. She used to have nice cheekbones, but the filler has obliterated them. I think she's been plumped up along the parentheses from the sides of her nose all the way down to the sides of her mouth. That would explain her jowly, hound dog appearance now compared to then. She looked better before. Karma
Administrator said... Anonymous, as to your rude comment why we are analyzing every word Kate said a year ago, we're not analyzing every word. We're taking a look at ONE THING she said about her childhood. We are doing this because there is some person on the internet claiming to be Kate's mother and representing their relationship as a positive one. People are simply pointing out the clues,
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Seriously people, this is SHEEPLE you're talking about. They can't take the hints, clues, evidence, etc. and put it all together and come up w/an opinion. They lack the ability to use deductive reasoning.
Years from now, when the Gosselin Eight tell people that they had an "unhappy childhood," at least everyone will know exactly what they are referring to.
Years from now, when the Gosselin Eight tell people that they had an "unhappy childhood," at least everyone will know exactly what they are referring to.
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First...my condolences to Maggie. I care for my 83 y.o. father and I dread the day he passes...I truly dread it.
Kate is a very unlikeable person in general...I feel that it's because she's a narcissistic abuser. But to me, the bigger issue is TLC....and the tactics used by them. IMO, the level of accountability with which Kate can be held doesn't even come close to the level TLC should be. One is a person with some likely psychiatric issues and the other entity is a corporation. And as has already been mentioned here...they have also taken Kate for a ride as well, most likely.
Anyone who has ever tried to get photographs of their young children knows full well how many hours and hours it must take to get enough usable film....and then there's all the magazine posed group photos....and can pretty well imagine how much those kids work...a LOT.
There are always going to be parents who don't raise their kids exactly as we think they should. But to have an entire corporation complicit in committing what I consider to be almost blatant child abuse is absolutely NOT acceptable.
silimom said... Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but I have to add to my post about OCD and the DSM-IV from above. NOBODY "has" OCD. You're diagnosed as exhibiting behaviors consistent with an OCD traits, but there is no such thing as an OCD "disease." It's not a medical diagnosis or condition, or something one "has." You just check enough boxes on the diagnostic check-list to qualify as being characterized as one with the condition. It's not a medical diagnosis. IMO, Kate sees OCD as an admirable condition, as those who suffer from it tend to be hyper-organized and focus on details to the extreme. I think Kate/TLC assumed this would add to Kate’s image as the hyper-organized mom. I think history has proven that Kate is anything but organized, and that she suffers from delusions of grandeur, and not from OCD. But, as I stated above, I'm "in agreeance" (gag) with you, silimom -- Kate is self-diagnosing in order to excuse some pretty inexcusable behavior.
Well...I THINK she had a miserable childhood....AND NOTHING has changed. She is a MISERABLE adult!!
Enough, is NEVER enough for this wench.
Kate uses the terms "OCD" and "Low Blood Sugar" to justify and excuse her behavior. As in "It's not my fault, I have OCD" or "It's not my fault, I have low blood sugar".
Question, gentle bloggers - did Kate ever say she was diagnosed with OCD? I seem to remember her saying "I probably have OCD", which isn't the same as coming out and saying "I have OCD". Again, she's still trying to excuse her behavior, I was just curious if she ever claimed to have it or just hedged around it as usual.
Tess said...
Anon725said...
Kate grew up in my neighborhood. She was not homely in high school. She was not unpopular (she was a cheerleader), she did not come from a lower middle class family (her father was a businessman/minister who owned prime acreage), she was a good student at an excellent private school.
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Kate said in "Multiple Blessings"...
"Because I was raised in an atmosphere of financial stress, my biggest fear was that I would never have enough."
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OK...now between this and "I had a VERY unhappy childhood" in her Natalie interview, Kate surely saw her childhood differently than you saw it, Anon725.
This woman, Kate Gosselin, definitely needs some psychological help. (btw, how terrible was it for Kate to throw her mom and dad under the bus like that in the Natalie interview without clarifying her statement?...it left us all alone with our imaginations. ugh)
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So if someone were to interview random people who grew up in your neighborhood about your childhood and their perceptions differed from yours, would you immediately seek psychological help? According to your logic, if the perspectives of outsiders were to differ from your own perceptions, their perceptions would be more valid.
If indeed it is Kate's mother posting on the sheeple site (and I have serious doubts it is), does Mrs. Kreider have no self-esteem whatsoever? How can she support her daughter on a public blog, when Kate does nothing but talk smack about her entire family, mother included? It's baffling.
That alone tells me MomofKT is probably a fraud.
Robin said... Regarding Kate and OCD....I believe that it is very similar to Kate and her "low blood sugar." She throws medical terms around casually all of the time - says "I have OCD" and "I have low blood sugar" without regards to the fact that they are very real medical conditions that real people suffer from.
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Technically, OCD is not a "medical condition." It's diagnosed using the DSM-IV, which is basically a check-list of symptoms/behaviors, assessing mental health "disorders" (it's also used to assess eating disorders, ADHD, and alcoholism, to name a few "disorders" that are not proven to be "medically" based).
That said, I agree with you 100%: Kate throws around medical terms so carelessly and often incorrectly, it's frightening that this woman has a nursing license. As for her alleged OCD --that is a crock and a half. She's a control-freak who needs to micro-manage every aspect of her kids' lives -- and NOT from the stand-point of an over-protective, loving mother. She sucks the joy out of their playtime, vactations, meals, lives -- all because she needs to CONTROL them. That is not OCD. That's just buzzkill bitchiness. She's also not the germaphobe she professes to be (no self-respecting germaphobe would be caught dead walking the streets of NYC BAREFOOT). These "diagnoses" are just TLC's lame attempt to give dimension and character to an otherwise uninteresting and not-so-smart-ish shrew. It's also a lame attempt to cover/excuse her impatience and bitchiness. [Pssst, TLC: It's not working].
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Abusers always isolate their victims from loved ones. It's about control, control, control.
Ellen is just a girlfriend to Jon, so why does everyone bash her (sheeples)? Leave the girl alone, she has a nice government job and seems real nice. She seems to like him and his kids. I really think she should be left alone.
I'm more inclined to think she was a handful as a child (instigator, whiner, getting siblings in trouble, etc.).
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In the "Kate-Her Story" episode with Natalie Morales, Kate said that her brother Kevin would often take the blame for her, saying "Katie no do it. I do it." I'm beginning to wonder if Kate, even as a youngster, bullied and controlled him into taking the blame so she wouldn't be wrong and get in trouble. That, or again, she doesn't like boys, so she may have wanted to see her own brother get in trouble. This is just a theory, I could be totally wrong.
In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue.
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If it's a clue to anything it would be that she's a histrionic narcissist. Being a middle child to Kate means 'forgotten'. She couldn't just be the middle child and leave it at that. I mean really, how DARE her parents have children before or after her, when all they really should have needed was Kate. So of course in her head that justifies declaring her childhood 'unhappy'.
Oh, how I wish people would stop talking about Ellen, but I guess that's never going to happen.
Tess said...
Anon725said...
That said, why she turned out as she did is anyone's guess. I have no clue.
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In the NBC special "Kate-Her Story" with Natalie Morales, Kate tells Natalie that she had a "very unhappy childhood". I think that's a big clue.
(if interested, you can pull that interview up on youtube)
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I find it very interesting that when Kate speaks about the lack of family in their lives, her emotions range from, well, nothing-a flat affect, to pure vitriol in her eyes when speaking of Kevin.
She has no remorse or regret for her children's sake. They have no Grandparents (what a shame!), no aunts, uncles or cousins. A huge, huge loss and void in their lives, yet when she speaks about it, she might as well be saying "pass me a tissue". There's just nothing, and no accounts of how her kids feel about it.
Now, contrast that with her account of her and her kids' reactions to the loss of their film crew, and the water works get turned on, she's always sure to mention how devastated the kids are. "Wailing in unison" or something similar is how she described it. Yet, their own family is cut out of their lives and what? there's no effect on them? How can that be?
Again, Kate imposes her values, view and will on the chidren.
Buffy, I think Ellen will unblock you if you send her an email. She gets very nasty messages and was being cautious.
ellenr886@gmail.com
Maggie,
Sorry for the loss of your Dad, no matter how "expected" it is always heart wrenching. Sending you a hug.
I know this is OT, but has anyone tried to go to Ellen's blog? When I click on the URL, it redirects me to a picture that says "Bye Hater". I am not a hater of Ellen, and have never posted there. I just wonder if anyone else has a problem. Perhaps, someone has spammed her site?
I haven't posted or read in awhile. My Dad died on September 11 (of all days) after being in and out of ICU for 3 weeks. He was 88 so it was a blessing that he was very healthly up until the last 3 weeks of his life.
Anyway, I have been reading and catching up with all the comments tonight and have been very impressed by all the smart and insightful ones. I really think this website has been helpful in holding Kate's feet to the fire. The public no doubt has gradually "caught on" to her and will continue to do so. You know what struck me, I don't know why, but we all feel like Kate has been around forever getting break and break. At least I feel that way. But in reality, it hasn't even been a year since their divorce. It's only been about 18 months or so since the "major rumblings hit the fan" when Jon STARTED getting caught, per say, with other woman. To me it feels like this mess (Kate getting her way and making her way in public) has been years in the making. You know, I think there is a good shot that she not be around for much longer. Oh, she will pop up here and there through the years because of her 8 children, but I think the majority of her "heyday" is going to be well over in the next 6 months or so. Yeah!!! And thanks for this website for being a great factor contributing. Thanks, Admin.
Marie, I agree that Kate is incredibly sexist and plays favorites with her kids. Personally, I think the order of preference in her pea brain is as follows: Hannah > the other little girls > the twins > the boys. She berated the boys to be 'men' even before they were in Kindergarten. Whenever some chore needs to be done, she often runs the boys around even if one of the girls is there. She didn't attend any of the boys' special days for JK8. She was so evil when she didnt let the boys eat their bday cupcakes for some bullshit reason. She also spoke megatively about men, Jon in particular, in front of the kids. She hasseled Jon about not doing anything right, always telling him that a husband should do this or that, implying somehow that he wasn't pulling his weight. This mistreatment of their father must have imprinted negative memories in those kids' heads. I have no idea how she could be so disparaging of her own sons. Boys ARE different from girls, but not better or worse. And even if her boys are dirtier or less advanced than her girls, so what? Don't you still love all your kids equally? Boys are supposed to mature more slowly than girls in general anyway. And for the record, I see no evidence that her boys are dirty or slow compared to their sisters. Those poor boys seem to have accepted their place in the pecking order, and it's so sad. They are sweet kids, though, and hopefully they will grow up to be kind to women, like their dad is, rather than feel the need to overpower women once they are freed from their horrible mother.
I just feel bad about how sexist and cache like she treats her kids:
Little Girls
Boys
Cara and Mady
And in that order probably. I don't think she pays enough attention to the twins probably because they aren't what gave her the show and they are older and therefore have more opinions.
She does a lot more things with just the little girls than I have ever seen her do with her sons. Has anyone ever noticed Kate has never called her childre, "my son/sons, my daughter/daughters?" No its always, "the little girls, the boys, the big girls." That's sort of struct me as weird. Am I the only one?
Her dirt issue seems to be rubbing off on a few of her children, Collin who freaked out because he was dirty as Jon told him, "Your mother has warped you." Then one the children asks,"Sit on the dirty floor?" Which was more recent.
I felt so bad when she said, "i don't know how to deal with boys, they are strange to us, boys are just icky, they just are. Oh your nails are horendous child!" Then the potty training she tells one of her sons, "Sit there until you go, don't get up." And she leaves the room, turning out the light! Freak! And I know it was Joel she said either he was taking this too slow or that it shouldn't be this hard they had somewhere to go or something. Call me crazy but shouldn't when you potty trian it shouldn't be that negative? Just sad. I mean those statements are going to be with the chld the rest of their lives and on th, internet for years to come. Its sick, and its really sad.
I hope Cara and Madelyn at least have a private happy 10th birthday this 8th of October. They seemed to get shafted when it comes to birthday celebrations.
BeDoneNow, I think you are spot on. It's like that rule don't feed the squirrels or they will never go away.
One of the psychologists who wrote about Kate, her name escapes me but she took a lot of hate for it, basically said that Kate TOO is being exploited. It is so very true. There aren't just 8 kids being exploited here. I guess the difference is if you are an adult that's your choice. Still doesn't make it right.
Wow, BeDoneNow, that's quite a theory. Kate said herself she was the "forgotten middle child" - wouldn't there be backup to this theory, i.e., another sib besides Kevin. If Kate really was abused I might just start to feel sorry for her. But just a tiny bit... Jon and the kids come first.
Lol, AuntieAnn. When I was working part-time at a department store during college our local news anchor purchased something at my cash register. Yup, I was starstruck. It's always surreal the first time you see someone in person who you've previously only seen on TV.
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