Team Jon is asking for help after a family law judge has allowed, at least for the time being, Kate to keep filming the children.
Jon's girlfriend tweeted today: Guys - if you'd like to assist us in our battle please email me at the email on my blog, ill give u more info!! Thanks =)
Ellen's email can be found on her blog.
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In view of the judge's ruling, I think it appropriate to reread this article from the old neighborhood. It bears repeating - they saw it and it is now worse.
I don't think Ellen should be posting her Email just because KGs fans are insane and will be sending her all sorts of threats. If I can help in any way I'd love too. My brother doesn't practice Family Law, but I'm sure he knows a few good attorneys from his office.
Those poor kids can be locked into filming until February 2012! I've been doing my part and will continue to do my part by not watching even 20 seconds worth while flipping channels.
I hope Jon has a strong support system around him because I can't imagine as a parent being helpless to stop this. Thanks to what will be well documented court battles, in the long run the kids will be able to look back and see who had their best interests at heart and who saw dollar signs when she looked at their faces. Kate may end up with all the money, the big house, etc. but Jon will end up with healthy relationships with his kids. Priceless!
I too agree that Ellen's e-mail address may not be a good idea. Kate's fans are vicious. Ellen will need to keep her finger near the delete button when reading her e-mails for awhile for the sake of her sanity.
Too bad the kids can't stage their own strike -- just refuse to do anything on camera. I know it would be wrong to try to coerce them to do that but . . . ok it's wrong. But maybe the older girls will get that idea on their own.
This is SO unfair to those kids, I hope this all backfires bigtime on kate and TLC.
wouldnt Paul Peterson help Jon at this point?
Ellen is right. We really do have all the power to put a stop to it. Not watching and causing the ratings to go down will do it in. It sort of reminds me of the end of the Wizard of Oz. When the "Wizard" tells Dorothy she had the power to go home all along.
From Paul Peterson's website:
aul Petersen Today I am thinking of our very own, Janet, who is scheduled for surgery. Thoughts and prayers go out to Janet and her family this day. I am so grateful for her stellar help over all these years.
Thanks are in the air, so while I'm at it, let me thank Diane Harmon for her insightful contributions to this site. Thanks..., Diane.
There will soon be news on the Gosselin clan, so I hope you all stay tuned. Thank you for your support.
Fraternally,
Paul Petersen
As I said in my earlier post in the other thread, until Jon or ROL or some credible news source links a case number or docket that shows there was a hearing relevant to this case, I'm not buying it.
If Jon wants to prove this, show the case number, the docket or anything that proves it. Jon has been known to embellish things in the past. Prove it and then the people will stand behind him and back him up.
After all, the hearing may be sealed but the case number and docket are a matter of public record. Let's see it.
The 2008 TLC contract gave TLC the option to continue filming for two more years (2010). Did Jon sign a new contract with TLC earlier this year to film the children? How did the children get stuck in a TLC contract until February, 2012? A local family court judge wouldn't or shouldn't decide on the legality of the contract and whether the children should have to work to support the family. Why is Ellen even involved in Jon's custody and TLC contract issues? Jon needs a good attorney and his children should have their own attorney also.
There's no doubt that TLC will try to use this latest press to their advantage, but we know they don't have a show anymore. Kate + 8 is done. There is no re-tooling that can help it survive, no storyline that can be 'invented', Kate is a shrew, the kids are uninteresting, etc. The show was on it's last legs a month ago and I don't think they can do anything to revive it. No doubt they'll try, but it just won't work.
Kate might have won in the courts, but at least Jon knows he tried.The kids are to young to understand right now,but when they get older they'll realize just what their dad tried to do for them.
Didn't Jon have a lawyer who was his fathers' old friend from college, whatever happened to him?
Hey, she wants to be sure that she takes the kids all summer on (work) vacations on TLCs budget and still act like the doting mom she is not. I give Jon credit for trying but I think he was so young and innocent when he signed on with this network plus it helped them finacially that he had no idea that it would turn his kids into a circus act. Which is what it truly is
If Jon wants to prove this, show the case number, the docket or anything that proves it.
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I think that Kate's lawyer's response to this says volumes. Why would he respond if there was no hearing? In addition, Jon has been warned against violating the gag order. Do you think he really wants to seal his fate by providing the docket number or case number?
Someone said, "Face it. Jon lost. Case closed."
No, the children lost.
Protect.org has a website (via Alison Arngrim) for protection of child abuse...however it also deals with all EXPLOITATION of children.
I believe this falls into the same category. We could write to them.
Children's private lives should not be put on 'display' for entertainment purpose. The children are too young to do anything themselves. Jon is trying to be a voice for them, we need to help. TLC is holding on to those little children like they are their own. This is sick beyond belief! Children should not have to work to support their parents lifestyle. How dare the court system allow this form of slavery.
Ellen, with all due respect, stop. Don't get in the middle of any of this - at least in public. This will not end well for you.
This is a matter for J&K and their attorneys, not the public. We are already, I hope, well past watching any shows on TV or on YouTube (hits count and are counted, folks).
And, IMO, this new decision will backfire on Kate and TLC without much help from anyone - it's unbelievable that a father's wishes would be summarily dismissed by a court. I don't think it will be well-received and may sink under its own weight.
This is starting to sound more amd more like the Dionne Quintuplets. They didn't have a choice while other people made money off them either. Please Kate, find another job that doesn't involve filming your kids.
The contract date for 2012 wasn't making sense to me. Then I remembered why ... the kids work permits were only good until Oct 2010. Have Their Work Permits Been Renewed???
Well, I actually cried when I read this. First time poster here. I knew that is would all end badly, and it did. Jon, Ellen, be true to your word and help the kids. G-d will help you back.
May I respectfully ask the admin to reconsider using Jon's caracature likeness and name at the top of this website, that implies he is exploiting his kids for fame and money? He has now proven himself otherwise and has his kids' best interets at heart, while it is solely Kate ( and TLC ) who is now making money and achieving fame off the backs of the kids...not Jon.
I think Jon deserves to have his face and name taken off this website. Kate deserves to have her caracature plastered even bigger, with more dollar signs, dancing shoes, extentions, bikinis, and body guards. SHE is the one exploiting the kids now and forcing them to work. Not Jon.
I agree with Ellen's tactic. The show's ratings are pretty bad considering the high cost of making each episode (Kate's huge salary, the kids separate share and the trips for cast and crew) and if they take another dip in viewership, TLC might halt filming from strictly a monetary standpoint. There's also the time constrictions with the children all in school full time; how many episodes can TLC eke out even if they film every school break and over the summer? It will hardly compare the 30+ episodes in past seasons. With few and sporadic episodes, even casual fans will lose interest and move on (look at what happened this summer). Do Not Watch If You Truly Want The Children Off TV. Just 150,000-200,000 fewer viewers for the November episode will be another +10% drop. I think Ellen is right. The court process is slow, and they may not succeed in getting contracts thrown out. Otherwise, the kids face 16 more months of filming and exposure. A grass roots push to flood TLC and sponsors with negative feedback plus a meaningful decline in viewership may achieve what Jon was unable to do this week. I implore any hold outs, who agree that the children should not be working, but who find themselves tuning in out of curiosity or habit or because it is really hard to look away from this train wreck, please, on behalf of those kids, make a stand and do not watch, do not peek, do not record on your dvr.
Frankly, siding with Jon or Kate is pointless; side with the kids.
Question for all US & Pennsylvania Friends, Dads & Moms; For The sake Of All Innocent Children
Why be silenced, like this father has been? Why not boycott TLC, the TLC Sponsors, Target, Whole Foods, Her Favorite Tanning Salon, Starbucks, and any magazine or show that features this woman until these 8 children are given back their freedom? Paps, put down the camera on her, in front of her....It's time. This is America.
How valid is this contract? Wasn't Jon strong armed by TLC to sign his kids over to TLC or else they would not drop the suit they filed against him? Boy TLC is tuly an evil corporation.
Sorry to say that even if everyone who reads this blog stopped watching the show (assuming they haven't already) it wouldn't help. For every person who reads this blog there is at least one person (probably closer to five people for every one person here) who have no clue what's going on beyond what they see shown on TLC or on the covers of the magazines.
I think the ratings of the show have little to do with TLC's decisions to continue filming. Kate is a lightening rod for controversy. She brings attention to their channel. As long as she continues to do so TLC will do whatever they can to keep Kate + 8 on the air.
This is a fight that can only be won in court or by shining a big flashy spotlight on the issue. The court of public opinion can hold more sway than a judge of any court.
I believe the ways we can help the children are to support efforts like that of Rep. Murt & Paul Peterson to change existing laws, and to get the word out to anyone and everyone who will listen.
2exhausted2name said... Sorry to say that even if everyone who reads this blog stopped watching the show (assuming they haven't already) it wouldn't help.
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I have to agree with you. I heartily encourage people not to watch, however when I think about my own TV viewing, probably 99% of what I watch on TV or the movies I see I never visit blogs about or ever even interact with anyone also watching it. And a lot of viewers may be casual viewers. I see a more likely scenerio as this just runs its natural course, which I think we're finally getting to be close on. A judge can decide what he/she wants, but the reality is if the kids aren't making TLC money TLC won't film them anymore whether or not they are permitted to.
What Jon needs is a good attorney. The one he was working with while Kate was on DWTS seemed have his head on straight. If Jon had had competent representation, a lot of this shouldn't have happened (given what we know about Kate, I would think that Jon could easily have gotten primary or full custody, and Kate should be paying HIM spousal support). I really think that had he not fired that attorney, they would have won. So if Jon really wants to put a stop to this now, WHY doesn't Jon find a good laywer to start with? Is his tactic going to consist solely of relying on the public to stop watching the show? You really have to wonder.
I always go to Google News to search articles of subjects that interest in me. It used to be when something like this happened with the Gosselins a search would bring literally thousands of articles up about it. It's been quite awhile since Jon Tweeted his open letter and my Gosselin search only brings up 29 hits. I really think Kate is fading in the wind. Finally!
He needs money, plain and simple. Money talks. Now I see what all the trash talking has been about to try and discredit Jodi because they were afraid she would testify. She won't let her see the kids but she will let her play devil's advocate for her. I for one cannot bear to watch the kids on TV and feel absolutely dirty even looking at her pics that we now know she goes home and gets ready for and returns. The poor kids don't have a chance on or TV.
Kelly-Here is link to Montgomery County, PA divorce docket referring any future issues to Berks County, PA
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwNjc3ODI1JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
I have read different comments on other sites and some are saying that Jon is upset because he can no longer work and get paid from TLC so it is quit time for the kids, others think he is trying to burn the bridges of his dear ex.I truly know that he wants his kids to have a normal life as of now and has tried to do so. Even if TLC can film these kids for one more year( contract ends 2012)than he better be ready not to sign on the dotted line again when it comes to show casing them kids. Let her figure out a way to bring home the money as well as he and let the kids be kids in private. BTW..I don't watch their show!!
For all who are so proudly proclaiming they "dont buy it", it's all true. Jon did not want a media circus around it and it was all kept very private. (What makes us think we should have been given prior notice to this? It's a family matter.)
Jon is heartsick and frightened, he needs to regroup his self-confidence at this point. This is also very expensive for a man with no employment.
Paul Petersen has been somewhat involved. We can all continue to encourage Jon and Paul to get closer to each other and keep working.
Ellen is very young and is on the verge of making some mistakes, in my opinion. We can encourage her, lovingly, to slow down and not be so public - however she is frustrated and doesnt know what else to do at this point.
And shame shame shame on every one of us that clicks, flips, or tunes in, insisting that one more viewer wont matter.
I am a semi-regular poster on here, but feel the need to be anon on this one. I am an aquaintance of someone involved. (I know, I know, you 'dont buy it'.)
Pam, I respectfully agree. Jon deserves to have his caricature taken off the website.
I also agree with the posters who are saying that Ellen should step back from this fiasco. This is Jon's fight. Ellen, you are stepping into a mine field displaying your email address.
Jon, get your kids an advocate, a lawyer, anything. THEY need support. If you say they don't want to film anymore, prove it to the courts. Back it up somehow.
And in my opinion, this is going to backfire on Kate somehow. What mother makes her kids film when they clearly do not want to? You can see it in their little faces. They are tired & sick of it. Kate is nothing but a famewhore, seeking to stretch her 15 minutes of fame. She wants to keep riding her kids back because she has no talent of her own. This will catch on & people will sit up & notice. What a bad mother she is, making her kids feed her fame. Just wait. Kate's selfishness will come back threefold. She's nothing NOW. Her show won't get much ratings when it comes back, IF it comes back. She's DONE.
For the life of me, I do NOT understand why Jon went to court with NO representation! This was too important for him NOT to have a good lawyer with him. I am totally dumbfounded. Didn't Paul Peterson offer help to him prior? I DON"T GET IT. There HAS to be some way he can get GOOD legal counsel. Didn't his experience with the divorce teach him anything?? That so called lawyer he had then.
Hell, even Kate herself in her People interview at the beginning of this year said the kids were having problems and needed therapy, and she was getting them a therapist, but it came out in the custody case that she never did this. WTH.
WTH!!
I am mystified and confused about why people continue to comment about all the ways Kate can/should/might support these children. Whether it be with a TV show of her own, return to nursing, whatever. The truth is - she has been EXTREMELY well paid for her reality show, and her other appearances. I suspect she is a millionaire many times over by now. Why do both the sheeple and us, frankly, speculate about how she can support her large family when she very likely has more money than most of us could spend in several lifetimes. Absurd.
anon on this said... Thanks for your post. I do "buy it". I am totally frustrated FOR Jon. What a mess this is. A parent cannot stop what is harmful to their kids is horrid! Jon DOES have a lot of supporters on this. More than he knows.
anon on this said... Actually I do "buy" what you're saying and I'm a pretty skeptical person.
I hope your comments to/about Ellen will be taken to heart. She really needs to be less public about this. I certainly can understand her and Jon's frustrations, but feel a bit better knowing that Paul Peterson is aware of the situation and I hope Jon will seek out his advice. He needs someone close who has experience in these matters and who can be unemotional.
Apparently last Wednesday's hearing regarded the children being filmed, but it was published that there is a custody hearing on Nov. 30. Does anyone know if it's still on the books?
What's it going to take?
Will one of the kids have to walk away in the middle of filming? All of them? Will they have to start destroying cameras?
What about if one of them decides to start cutting?
Stops eating?
Decides it might be fun to run out into traffic?
Children this young CAN suffer from depression and suicidal tendencies. How long before Mady decides to follow through?
What will it take for Kate's blind supporters to realize that this is destroying those children they claim so vehemently to love?
The truth about all this, we can all preach, pray, advise, speculate, pontificate, litigate, etc, etc. about what Jon should do and poor Jon, that's so unfair to Jon, blah, blah. If Jon doesn't listen to ANYBODY and does what ever the hell HE wants, what we say doesn't mean squat! Why hasn't Jon picked and stuck with a reputable lawyer? What's with the "alleged" self represetation? Does Jon really think he can win in court on his own?
I think someone should ask Jon why does he dump any lawyer the minute they sound like they might attack TLC or Kate? Is he scamming us all?
I can see the custody hearing in November going completely Kate's way. She will be given full and sole custody of those kids and will then be free to sign away their lives as she pleases to TLC or whomever.
I believe this is what she is shooting for...totally stripping Jon of any rights or say-so in the kids' lives so she can continue living off their backs.
And damn to hell the Judge that orders this.
TLC's continued efforts to exploit the Gosselin children for the sake of money now has the blessing of the court. How sad that those children must give up the innocence of their childhood in order to line the producers' pockets and support their mother's lifestyle. It is equally sad that TLC has usurped Jon's right to be a parent.
If we were talking about children labouring in third world sweat shops, petitions would be organized and boycotts would be implemented. For heaven sake, the women on The View would even take the high road and cackle on about stopping it.
How is forcing the Gosselin children to work any different? Please do not tune into this show. By doing so you encourage TLC extend the children's contract.
"Canuck said...I am mystified and confused about why people continue to comment about all the ways Kate can/should/might support these children."
I SO agree with this. Kate made 250K THIS YEAR for each episode. That alone is 2 million. (8 specials) This is not counting how much she made on DWTS, her many MANY appearances on different shows, plus any other royalites she is paid. She said last year to Meredith that the kids had a "substantial college funds". She may no longer can afford the very high costs associated with the "estate", but many people downsize. It was reported that she spends over 100K a year on "helpers", nannies. IF that is true, it is a riduculous amount. It is not like they are toddlers now and need so much extra help with. In fact the kids are old enough to do many things for themselves and help around the house.
I realize there are taxes, but with 8 deductions! I wish I had 8 to declare! LOL I have no doubts this woman is not set for life, or for many many years to come.
"Troy, Why hasn't Jon picked and stuck with a reputable lawyer? What's with the "alleged" self represetation? Does Jon really think he can win in court on his own?"
I agree with most of what you posted. I am SO frustrated why he didn't have a lawyer! I know he has no money, but come on, there are people who can help. To show up with no lawyer on such an important hearing?? I don't get that. AT. ALL.
To send a letter/e-mail to TLC:
http://corporate.discovery.com/contact/viewer-relations/
Save the kids said...
I don't think Ellen should be posting her Email just because KGs fans are insane and will be sending her all sorts of threats.
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Not to worry. If you send a threatening email, the sender's IP address can be accessed from that email.
In lighter news, Kate's book is currently selling for thirty-nine cents on Amazon!
Admin, you would be the perfect person to direct the campaign to help get the kids off tv. I think there are many of us who want to help, but we have limited information as to what to do.
Crabitha Codswallop said... In lighter news, Kate's book is currently selling for thirty-nine cents on Amazon!
Admin, you would be the perfect person to direct the campaign to help get the kids off tv. I think there are many of us who want to help, but we have limited information as to what to do.
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I'm sorry but I'm at a loss what else to do. The PA court system is on Kate's side. I can't help but think if the shoe were on the other foot, if Jon wanted to continue to milk his children of every last dime and Kate was saying it was detrimental to them, if things would have come out differently.
I just cannot for the life of me understand this one thing--let's assume, best case scenerio, that the children just love filming that nothing is wrong that this is so wonderful for them and that losing their privacy is positive (even though we have mountains of evidence that there have been many negatives). Nonetheless, why would you even want to RISK that it won't always be wonderful? Why would you gamble with your own children? Why would you as a parent play with your children's future and happiness? I just don't understand it.
I'm at a loss. I'll keep reporting the Gosselin news here as always but don't except me to lead any campaigns.
@ Troy -- Good questions! I've wondered about that too. Paul Petersen can point him in the right direction and give him all kinds of good advice. He offered to do that a long time ago, so why hasn't Jon taken him up on it? Very odd.
The PA court system is on Kate's side.
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The judge probably took one look at Kate's record and realized she was up the creek too as far as finding a job is concerned. The kids drew the short straw again...they've been ordered to continue to support the family. How sad is that.
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I for one cannot bear to watch the kids on TV and feel absolutely dirty even looking at her pics that we now know she goes home and gets ready for and returns.
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Because of a blind gossip item that you *think* describes Kate, you "know" this?
Why is everyone assuming Jon went to court with no attorney? I've read Jon's twitter and Kate's lawyer's statement and no where does it say that.
Just because Jon says: "I went to court to act in the best interest of my children- to remove them from television ... And: "The judge respectfully denied my plea ...
does not mean that he had no attorney.
While I am 100% behind Jon getting his kids off of tv and I do believe he is sincere in his efforts, I think he needs to show some transparency with his efforts due to his past record of poor choices. People will be more likely to believe he is sincere, if he has a reputable attorney behind him. He needs to align himself with Paul Peterson and I don't understand why he has not yet done so. Maybe he recently has and he can't yet comment on it. I hope this is the case.
Kate will take herself down. Her greed and refusal to see what the cameras have done to her family will cause her to lose everything.
anon on this said...
For all who are so proudly proclaiming they "dont buy it", it's all true. Jon did not want a media circus around it and it was all kept very private. (What makes us think we should have been given prior notice to this? It's a family matter.)
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If Jon wanted to keep it private, maybe he shouldn't be tweeting about the issue.
There is no money for a lawyer. Legal clinics have a waiting list and are taking primarily domestic violence/divorce cases. If anyone has access to a normal attorney (not one with show biz aspirations) with priviledges in Pa courts that will take this case for free, please forward the info to Ellen. (Dearest Admin, if YOU receive such info, you know how to forward it to Ellen.)
For all those who cannot get their brains around "no money", well God Bless you and your comfortable lives. May you never have to face the money machines that this family is facing.
Reputable Fathers Rights groups in Jon's area would be a welcome bit of info.
Jon is exhausted right now and reeling. Please support him. He is down but not out for the count.
And again, shame and disgust on everyone who clicks, flips or views. Even for a minute. How dare you - the children are mentally suffering. And yes I do mean YOU even if you think you are small and dont count. Would you peek over a bathroom stall at these kids? Would you creep up to their windows at night? Someone else's camera lense does not give you moral leave to gape at these kids. Get a hold of yourself.
I saw on Ellen's blog that she works for the government full-time. What exactly does she do? Could she do something for the kids?
anonymous said...
If Jon wanted to keep it private, maybe he shouldn't be tweeting about the issue.
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and then you would be yelling that he needs to issue a public statement about what's going on.
He issued a statement; without Nancy Grace or The View or some reality show or any of the gossip rags that everyone seems is so addicted to.
Jon cannot walk back the hands of time. But he is trying to reinvent the wheel here, with and without all the advice and demands from those of us who think we have all the answers.
The link for TLC does not work. I just tried to send the following message:
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"As a legal assistant for the past forty (40) years, I am well acquainted with lawyer tactics. How PROUD you must be, as a huge t.v. corporate conglomerate, to pulverize someone who is only trying to protect his children and give them a normal life. How PROUD you must be to beat this man, who cannot afford representation against your machinery of lawyers, into the ground. How PROUD you must be to threaten to sue him once again. I would like to remind you those children are HIS, as well as Kate's; the home is HIS, as well as Kate's; and you are bullies of the highest order. You are turning off legions of viewers and followers of this tragedy by continuing to promote the world's most worthlessly notorious mother, who cares nothing about her children except in terms of earning power for HER. Let me tell you: the public has HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CHARADE, and we are banning together. Oh, and perhaps you have heard, the world is SICK OF BULLIES, and we are not going to stand for it any longer."
AuntieAnn said... @ Troy -- Good questions! I've wondered about that too. Paul Petersen can point him in the right direction and give him all kinds of good advice. He offered to do that a long time ago, so why hasn't Jon taken him up on it? Very odd.
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He is now. Patience.
Jon is having a hard time trusting anyone right now.
He is now. Patience.
Jon is having a hard time trusting anyone right now.
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anon on this - That is GREAT news and I'm very happy to hear it - as we all are. Jon can most assuredly trust Paul Petersen. There's no doubt about that.
JMO, but I think, between Jon and Khate, there is a whole LOT of scamming going on. Neither one of them seem to want to work a REAL job to make any money, they're content to let their own children support them, damn the cost to the poor kids, and they both strike me as being HUGE drama queens, that can't shut up and stay the hell out of the limelight.Scuse the rant please.
There are really 2 separate legal issues here. The TLC contract Jon and Kate signed, not the kids. And a petition in Family Court, where the children can be assigned an Advocate to represent THEIR best interests, as none of the G8 signed any contracts, and have a right to have their best interests protected, if there is possible/potential harm to their well-being. Seems elementary but since there are so very few children on TV bound by a contract their parents signed,seems to me they have a right to have a voice in this in Family Court, independent of the TLC contract, or ongoing PA Legislation. Just my opinion.
Seems elementary but since there are so very few children on TV bound by a contract their parents signed,seems to me they have a right to have a voice in this in Family Court,
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Even if they were granted a voice in family court, what do you think they ae going to say, after their mother has coached them to declare that they love filming? Wouldn't you think that she has told them that if they stop filming, then all of the traveling and expensive toys will cease to be? They have to live with her, and do you think they would want to face her wrath if they said otherwise? I'm not so sure at this point if they would want to be caught in the middle of a controversial issue between their parents.
I say again, it appears that Kate has already lost considerable ground in the court of public opinion due to her own choice to present herself as a lying, snotty, rude, abusive, hag. If this is her true nature, one might think she could have "acted" like a normal human being, but no...she could not. Not to mention the damage she has done to her employer (TLC) through her mere association with her and the fact that they collaborated (and now LEGALLY, apparently, CONTINUE to collaborate in the exploitation of the children). Taking this matter to court and asking a judge to rule on her desire to have the children continue to work at 6 and 10 years of age, simply exposes her even more for the materialistic, immoral person she is. I feel for Jon, I really do. He's made his mistakes, but none of them so terrible that he should be removed from his ability to act in the best interests of his kids. I predict this will not go well for Kate or for TLC as her backer - she has now, more publicly than ever before, declared her desire and intent to profit from the labors of her children.
and then you would be yelling that he needs to issue a public statement about what's going on.
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Absolutely. He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't. There's no way he is going to please everyone all the time, and he doesn't need to try, nor are we entitled to know everything that is happening in this case. We don't know what he's doing, who is advising him, nor do we know all of the legal maneuvering that is going on. This is his business, and he's in charge. We all want these kids off television, and I think that we need to be patient. I don't believe he's giving up the fight...at least I certainly hope not. What he does need to know that we are on his side and support him.
What we do know is that TLC is in control here. No amount of bombarding them with e-mails and phone calls is going to change anything. Certainly it makes us feel good to get it off our chests. However, they don't care as long as they are reaping profits off their moneymakers. We can take a stand against them, but they're laughing their heads off as they check their corporate bank account balance.
It's all about greed. No thought for the welfare of the children. Kate G does not want to give up anything, much less the trips, big house, fancy, fancy, etc. Hopefully, this latest event will show even more people what she and TLC are truly made of. Very sad for the children indeed.
Ah those that are complaining cause he tweeted about a situation he is trying to prevent, BIG DEAL! At least he isn't going on magazines half naked saying how good he looks and that he wants a new woman, or taking his kids on (work) vacations while they puke their breakfast up for filming. In a matter of fact, all she does is use the kids for cameras and than leaves them home so she can get her parking lot photo shoot with her good friend Chris. I am backing Jon on for this one and think everyone should leave him alone so he can do what is right for his children. Team Jon!!
Does Paul Peterson and his organization have the means to provide Jon with an attorney? I don't know that much about his organization, but somewhere someone should be watching this and be willing to step in and help. I can understand not wanting to work for nothing. But surely Paul has some access to lawyers that could step in in a case like this.
And I totally understand Jon reeling from everything that has happened. Kate just keeps on rolling along, winning, while everyone watches this witch just keep on getting nastier. Someday, and I don't really think it will be that much longer, she is going to do something that will bring her house of cards tumbling down around her head and she will go totally berserk and blame everyone else in the world. But before that happens, TLC has something up their sleeve.
They are not done with her yet. Count on it.
Hang in there Jon. There are many, many people who care about you and what you are trying to do for your children.
Did anyone read that idiots blog? Now grant you, I didn't even go to her site but here was her stupid 8 or 10 things she notices out side her neighborhood. She is such a dope, yet I.m pissed that her stupid blog is on Celebrity Gossip. Why post a picture of those twit, now her stupid blog as well
Kate will take herself down. Her greed and refusal to see what the cameras have done to her family will cause her to lose everything.
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I don't want Kate to "lose everything". I want her to gain her family back, gain self control, gain a thankful heart, gain balance in her life,
gain peace, gain a recommitment to the God she
speaks of, and gain a sense of others.
What breaks my heart is the pro-Kate sites are so thrilled that Kate "won".
They simply don't care that the kids lost.
The following was taken from a past article in USA Today -
"Reality TV parents might be blinded by the lights of fame and tempted by the lure of riches. But they're adults. Their children shouldn't have to risk a lifetime of suffering to fulfill their parents' 15 minutes of fame."
In this case:
Kate is blinded by the lights of fame and the lure of riches. She is an adult. Her children shouldn't have to risk a lifetime of suffering to fulfill her 15 minutes of fame.
Would you believe that TLC has an ethics section?
http://corporate.discovery.com/contact/ethics-hotline/
You can contact via web:
http://corporate.discovery.com/contact/viewer-relations/
I'm active in the political sector and DO know that a barage of phone calls have been known to shut down phone lines at the Capital and various senator/representative offices. We could do the same to TLC/Discovery. No phone calls getting in/out can shut down their business for the day...profits fall...work doesn't get done. Email overload can stress out a computer server.
Just sayin'....
Also, making a trending anti-TLC trending topic would be helpful as well.
TLC is making money off of pimping out these precious childrens' private moments for the entertainment of the public. IT HAS to STOP! ! !
anon on this...thank you for the input. And thank you for the plea NOT TO WATCH!! I try my damndest not to preach, but it falls on deaf ears. I agree with you 100%. If you want this show off the air, stop watching. 1 person counts towards ratings. We all want those kids off the air, but I think some feel it's like a trainwreck, "I just HAD to watch". NO NO NO!!! And it's great that whomever you are close to, has someone like you on his/her side for support.
I noticed this at the top of the page. Is it a quote by someone?
"If a legal system can force a father to sell his children's childhoods, that's not the kind of legal system I want to participate in."
Moose Mania said...
...seems to me they have a right to have a voice in this in Family Court,
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Even if they were granted a voice in family court, what do you think they ae going to say, after their mother has coached them to declare that they love filming?
I don't think they meant 'voice' in the literal sense. Giving children a 'voice' in court doesn't necessarily mean they themselves speak; it usually means that an advocate or Guardian Ad Litem is assigned to them who speaks 'for' them and protects their interests.
Go ahead Ms. Gosselin, throw the father of your children in jail for exposing you, yet once again.
That would be the icing on the cake for you and your precious Eileen O'Neill, and the entire TLC "Family." They just love you to "pieces." Which is what your family life is in right now, tiny bits of broken pieces.
Exactly. A good minor's attorney/Capta GAL is required to have extensive training in representing minor's best interests. Good ones are trained to see right through coaching, whether it is coming from Mom, Dad, both, or outside forces. I know several minor's attorneys who would be excellent for these kids. The point of the GAL is not to pursue an agenda, but to determine both the child's TRUE position, as well as what is in their best interest. We've heard lots and lots about how Kate says the kids feel and how Jon says the kids feel, but we've never actually heard from the children themselves. A GAL would give them a voice in all this mess. The whole ordeal is far beyond the need for a GAL and frankly a judge who is proceeding without appointing one is just plain reckless. Cases have been overturned on appeal for the ERROR of not appointing a GAL. Yes, this is a legal ERROR that an appellate court can overturn.
In my legal career I have been appointed a GAL on about ten cases, for mostly adults and a few children.
Kate's lawyer fires back....sorry if it's been posted.
http://perezhilton.com/2010-10-16-jon-gosselin-violated-court-order-by-sharing-confidential-info
You're forgetting that this is the PA court system. You've seen how the PA DOL has mishandled the work permits issue, just slapping the wrists of TLC and not fining them. You've seen how one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing, especially in interpreting the child labor laws. The courts more times than not side with the mother. I do, however, know a few of the federal judges in this district, and I would love to see this case come up before one of them.
Jon will need a highly experienced attorney who not only practices family law, but is knowledgeable in contract law as well since this also involves who signed what, and whether or not the children are being forced to work by the persons who signed the contract(s).
"I'm active in the political sector and DO know that a barage of phone calls have been known to shut down phone lines at the Capital and various senator/representative offices. We could do the same to TLC/Discovery."
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Unfortunately, this isn't a senator's office. This is Discovery. I suppose it's worth a shot, but for what reason? To tie up their phone lines for a few hours? In the end, how is this going to influence Discovery to cease production? They will end the filming when they are good and ready, and not one minute before!
Those kids will get off TV when PEOPLE STOP WATCHING. TLC doesn't want to continue to bankroll a show no one's watching!
So take it a step further if you already stopped watching--don't watch youtube clips. Don't so much as mention the Gosselins (any of them) around the water cooler at work, with neighbors and friends, anyone, anytime, anywhere.
Don't watch a single interview Kate does. Don't click on pictures of her walking out of a store or getting gas (aren't those totally old by now, anyway??).
If I could have one wish granted, it would be that this woman loses ALL public interest (as little as it is now) immediately.
We can make that happen. It's already happening. But it takes turning AWAY. If we keep looking, clicking, discussing, then they stay in the public eye. Don't tell me one more person won't count. Every click, look, view, and comment counts.
KATE'S GREATEST FEAR IS BEING IGNORED. It's the greatest fear of everyone in the public eye!
CJ said... The contract date for 2012 wasn't making sense to me. Then I remembered why ... the kids work permits were only good until Oct 2010. Have Their Work Permits Been Renewed???
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VERY good question CJ. Things that make you go ummm???
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/fashion/29housewives.html?_r=1
Anyone have any proof that the kids contract expired on Oct 2010?
I believe that 'rumor' came up when Kate Plus 8 was "supposedly canceled".
Where did the Oct 2010 date come from?
Jon Renewed his and his kids contract after TLC sued him. He could have signed a 1 year contract or a 3 year contract. Who knows.
From INF Daily: "Jon Gosselin Carries Sleeping Joel Off The Bus"
Photos of Jon picking up the kids on Tuesday, 10/12, the day before the secret hearing.
http://www.infdaily.com/2010/10/exclusive-jon-gosselin-carries-sleepy-joel-off-the-bus.html
Speaking of the Real Housewives, I only really watched the NY version but I saw some of the new one Beverly Hills because they have two child actresses I liked as a kid, Kim and Kyle Richards.
What these girls, who are now in their 40s (I think) now, had to say about how abnormal their childhood was, how bizarre their upbringing was, how parentified they were and how independent they were forced to be, was incredibly disturbing.
What's facinating is Kyle seems to be pretty well adjusted, nice family and kids, confident, good social skills. But she says unequivacly how different her life was for her kids and how she just wants to be there for her kids.
Kim on the other hand, who also describes a very bizarre childhood, has difficulty with relationships, has no social skills and talks about how she never went to school to learn social skills, is very uncomfortable and so helpless that her mother made Kyle promise to "take care of her."
Basically a coin was flipped and Kyle came through it okay, Kim did not. They are in their 40s and their childhood is following them, will follow them the rest of their life. A famous child lives with it FOREVER. It cannot be undone. My question is why in the world would Kate flip a coin with her own CHILDREN???
OT - RHOBH,
I thought it was bizarre and SO rude that Kyle felt so comfortable disclosing how dysfunctional and disastrous her sister's (Kim's) life is. Maybe Kyle hasn't always lived such a charmed life, either. Maybe it's just that at the moment things have come together and are going o.k. for Kyle. I don't think either one of those sisters learned to make intelligent, rational decisions, consistently. RHOBH would be without them, if they had.
However, I agree with your comment on the everlasting childhood "ghosts."
You have to get to the sponsors of the tv show- those companies that buy air time for Kate + 8. If you can make them believe that they are someone contributing to these children's demise, they may stop advertising - and that is where TLC gets their money.
Don't worry Jon. I support your kids freedom by not watching this train wreck of a show. Ratings will prevent Khate from her continual exploitation of the children.
Hey Judge! Why not make these kids work in factories too? Seems to be on par with the work hours of the 1800's.
Don't worry Judge, you can also be in the lawsuit the kids will be filing in about 6-8 years.
If Jon violated his court order by his tweet, as the attorney says, I have a few questions.
1.) Did Mom of KT have inside knowledge of what was going on and reveal this on a blog as well. She stated Jon was after more money on his contract, not that he wanted the children not to be filmed. She did that well in advance of the hearing and the day before made her exit from the blog. Where did she get that idea, from Kate? Maybe Momijan needs to see these screen shots! Did Kate violate an gaga order by telling the viewing audience of Regis and Kelly that she was sole support for the family?
2.) If this was a custodial hearing as to rights to film, why was he, the same attorney as used for the divorce hearing. Was any child development specialist allowed to testify. Why is everything TLC is involved with so secretive?
For all you Kate fans reading hear, and you do, you bash Jon for saying the children have some issues. What you fail to see is Kate said this same thing right around the divorce and promised to get them professional help. That was well over a year ago. Wonder why Kate is never taken to task for what she says? wonder where the dogs are she promised would return in an interview.
Think I'll send the screen shots over.
I used to worry that the G8 would grow up to believe that neither parent ever tried to protect them and save them from the circus that their lives have become. And I think that haunted Jon, too. And bless him for trying, and I hope he keeps trying. It's been a painful process for anyone who has dared to do so: jon, kevin, jodi, ellen...they have been attacked, ridiculed, called ugly/fat/opportunistic for trying. At least those kids know that there were people who loved then enough to suffer through the attacks to try to help them. Someday they'll be old enough to really grasp what has happened and they'll love their dad and despise their mom all the more for it.
In my opinion Kate is going to do herself in and there will be no show. She is totally unlikeable(an understatement)and who wants to watch and listen to someone bitch and moan about what pains in the ass their kids are and how hard their life is when we all know otherwise. As far as the filming goes, how many ideas can you come up with? How many more vacations, shoes shopping, zoos can they go to and is that really entertainment for anyone. Its the like watching someone's home movies, boring!!! As the kids get older also they will be come more uncooperative and their true feelings about filming will become more evident. As much as Kate can't bear to be out of the limelight her time is coming. We just need to wait it out.
I was reading about adult child stars and came across a book written by Diana Serra Cary who as a child actor was known as "Baby Peggy". I had never heard of her before, but her story is so similar to what's happening to the G8 I think it's relevant enough for posting. Ms Cary is now an active member of A Minor Consideration.
Some snippets from the "Wikipedia" article about her:
"On several occasions I went onstage so yellow-dog sick they had to put buckets in the wings: I threw up in one before I made my entrance, and in the second when I exited, before changing and going back out for my encore." When Peggy was a teenager, her father even tried to forbid glasses because he claimed they would make her less marketable to film.
Peggy's career was controlled by her father, who accompanied her to the studio every day and made every decision about her contracts. Mr. Montgomery often claimed that Peggy's success was based not on her own talent, but on her ability to follow orders unquestioningly.
Jack and Marian Montgomery handled all of the finances. Money was spent on expensive cars, homes and clothing; nothing was set aside for the welfare or education of Peggy or her sister. Peggy herself was paid one nickel for every vaudeville performance.
Through a combination of excessive spending and trust in corrupt business partnerships, almost all of the money earned from films and vaudeville was squandered. By the 1930s, the Montgomery family was living hand to mouth, scraping to meet expenses by working as extras.
At the age of seventeen, trying to escape the film industry and her parents' plans for her life, Cary ran away from home and rented an apartment with her sister Louise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Serra_Cary
don't know if you have seen this or not--great graphics for Jon
http://thelyingchannel.blogspot.com/2010/03/free-dont-tune-in-graphics.html
I am pretty much done with this debacle, but noticed that some/many of the sheeples are "concerned" how Kate will ever pay for college for 8. Hello.... it is called tuition, grants, loans, scholarships.... just like every other child who goes to college these days. I am disgusted, as my father died at 40, and yet my mother managed on mild means (she worked, word foreign to Kate) to put 6 kids through college, with grants, loans, scholarships.... etc.. Entitled Kate has no idea of college expenses and thinks all expenses should be paid for all her children, without her filling out a lick of paperwork, as so many parents and kids do who are struggling to make ends meet, while getting a college education. Rather she believes, the "state" should pay for their college, in spite of her means, much as she did when she insisted the state should pay for a second year of nursing care for the tups, and lost. Kate is far out of touch, and needs to act like any other parent getting kids in college when the time comes, and has far more means than most average parents will ever have. Sorry if this cuts into her shoe, tanning, nail budget. My mom put her kids first. And we all took out student loans. What a crazy thought!!
Interesting quote from the blog of the Wilkinson quints whose one-hour two-episode special, "Texas Quints" aired on TLC last week:
"I heard that they have about a 400 to 1 ratio for these shows----about 400 hours of filming for every 1 that makes it to the final cut, which tells you that they had to cut out A LOT of stuff and be really selective to tell the story."
She probably got this information from her production crew, but it gives you an idea of how many hours of filming goes into a one-hour special.
If you use that ratio, it would take at least 8 days of 24hr. filming to fill a half-hour episode. That goes to show how much the Gosselin kids were filmed to produce episodes for EACH season, especially seasons 3 (31) and 4 (41).
Compare that to the hours/days needed to film a half-hour kids/teen show...the Gosselin kids are over-worked and under-paid.
Four hundred hours of filming to get a one hour show? When K+8 was on weekly they'd have been filming continually with no time to sleep. LOL
Actually at one point they were showing us footage from night vision cameras mounted in their bedrooms, so it's entirely possible.
How does Kate think the rest of America sends their children to school? Most people can't afford the rising tuition costs. Even state schools are expensive. Both government and private organizations have set up numerous vehicles to get kids through school. It is still true that anyone can go to school even if you have not a cent to your name. Actually, in terms of the loans you will qualify for it's sometimes better NOT to have a college fund, ironically.
In my profession, because it's public interest law, any debt any of us have is forgiven after a certain period of time, under the government loan assistance program--it depends on the program, some of it is five years some is ten. There are similar programs for teachers, medical professionals, and so on.
Is it nice to have your children's education paid for? Well i guess so. But it's also a good learning experience to figure out how you are going to do it if you really want it, just like everybody else. It's not such a bad thing to have to work hard to get a scholarship, to maintain a part time job in school, to take command of your own finances without just relying on Mommy to write the checks. College "kids" are, after all, adults.
Administrator said...
Actually at one point they were showing us footage from night vision cameras mounted in their bedrooms, so it's entirely possible.
It's not physically possible to film 400 hours a week. I guess I should have been more specific.
It was not stated that they film 400 hours a week, but rather that 400 hours of filming was necessary for one good hour of footage: "400 hours of filming for every 1 that makes it to the final cut."
While it may not be 400 hours, it's surely a lot. Anyone in the business will attest that for ever minute of footage you see whether it's reality or not, it takes hours and hours of filming. I spent eight hours on a set once with children to film a scene that lasted all of 30 seconds. There was a stunt involved with a child that needed to be explained to him how to do safely and filmed ad nauseum. The child ran into a tree.
Administrator- All 6 of my mother's kids worked summers and during high school and college years to pay their way. My point, and yours most likely, was that most high school students will have to file applications for grants, scholarships and loans in order to achieve their goals, if they are intent on getting a college education. Kate seems to believe her children are "entitlted" to have their college educations paid for, like everything else. Hopefully the fact that they will have good grades, etc..will allow them to get scholarships, grants, etc.. I get the fact that most teenageers should work for their goals, and all my B& S did to save for college. Not sure that Kate thinks she has any part in assisting her kids to college (if they even want to go) but will cry poor that SHE needs to pay for all 8 college educations even if they choose not to go. The kids are 10 and 6 but Kate is already creating reasons why SHE MUST MAKE MONEY. So I think we are on the same page.
Survey says..none of them will go to college. No way...IMHO betting it will not happen. There is no incentive.
KG, you have more money now, millions and millions and millions of dollars. More than you or your children could spend in 9 life times. Why keep filming the children? Why not listen to the father, the experts, viewers and fans who are telling you to stop now to save your kids privacy and sanity, and to get yourself and family life together?
Kids who watched the show say, "If my mom did that to me, I would just die! OMG how embarrassing." What will your children say in a few years? They are not going to be able to handle everything that is out there. You can't even handle it now.
On camera, why do you act like a crying little girl, silly, flirty, nutty, whiny and desperate in front of TLC and Steve, but act strong, mean, full of revenge, scream and have meltdowns in front of your kids? How do you order a child to eat a lunch in a certain food order by screaming at them?
How so you say...anorexia, alcohol, drugs, obesity, Betty Ford...
Why did you possibly screw, no pun intended, Steve's career and marriage with hints of an affair? Do you realize that accusation will stick with your KIDS, his son, his wife, (who will never know deep down if it was true or not), plus millions of other people forever? It hard very hard for viewers to believe you two did not have a little something, something going on between you. The chemistry was too hot for TV, plus you are pictured on TV waltzing around half naked all the time in front of him. He even helped you carry your purse, bags, and he helped you to get dressed. Does he do this for his own wife? What are you thinking?
Why did you go on a romantic getaway together? Where is this man's wife? Living in a cave? Put some clothes on around him and dress better around your male children. You are a star in your eyes, have some dignity woman.
Why does TLC treat YOU, not the children or fans, so special? They have lost their mind when it comes to you. They act like you are the only reality star they have ever had. This is so crazy.
Please stay off the talk and entertainment shows this go round with your children's father, as you being on R&K made you look the worse you ever have, and you did it to yourself. Your tears no longer look sincere.
Yes, we can all agree, surely a lot of hours go into filming a TV show. That very well could be the reason there is no filming of K+8 going on now. All 8 kids are in school 5 days a week. Basically, with only weekends free, there aren't enough hours available to create a weekly show, unless TLC is quietly doing marathon weekend filming (when Jon doesn't have them) and is saving the footage for a revival of the show in the future. Their fake permits allow the kids to be be filmed up 10 pm.
However the 400 hours for a one hour show wouldn't be possible, a documentary I can see.
To everyone who has posted, there are good and bad ideas all around. The last time I knew this was still America, and how you raise your children is no business of mine or yours. People need to get a grip, back away from nothing that is hurting YOU personally, and take care of your own families. Is this blog making money off the kids to?? I don't agree with any blogs concerning the kids, they all make money!! Shame on the Admin here for putting out things that are not facts, as none of us were in the court room. No one knows for sure, and I don't care what the G's issues are. Let them handle it themselves.
Boy they sure do hate this site on IW. They accuse those on this site of hating Kate so much but what they aren't able to see is how hateful they are to Jon. They say some pretty nasty things about him. They seem to think they are so above it all but if you read their messages they twist things around about him to suit themselves, assume without really knowing for sure, call him fat and balding, and bash him every chance they get. Man, if they aren't the pot calling the kettle black. LOL
Their fake permits allow the kids to be be filmed up 10 pm.
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That's only during the summer. The law is specific in stating from June to Labor Day they may be filmed until 10 p.m.; when school is in session, they may not be filmed after 7 p.m. However, there is nothing that addresses work hours during winter or spring break, when they are out of school for a period of two weeks. I'm not sure how they will get around filming during breaks, but I bet they find a way, even though the law specifically states the only time they may film until 10 p.m. is during the summer months.
"No minor under sixteen years of age shall be employed or permitted to work in, about, or in connection with, any establishment or in any occupation before seven o'clock in the morning or after seven o'clock in the evening of any day except during school vacation period from June to Labor Day when such minor may work between the hours of seven o'clock in the morning and ten o'clock in the evening nor shall such a minor who is enrolled in school and working outside school hours be employed or permitted to work in, about, or in connection with, any establishment or in any occupation more than four hours on a school day, or more than eight hours on any other day, or more than eighteen hours during a school week..."
A trip down google will reveal the histories of most of these Gosselin sites and they all seem to have the same sordid backstabbing backgrounds. I steer clear of the ones that start quoting scriptures to authenticate their lunacy. Having said that, it is mind boggling how one can't figure out on their own how filming the Gosselin children for entertainment is harmful and damaging. They are not actors or script readers, they are minor aged siblings trapped in a contract that requires them to work to provide enough film footage for half hour episodes. As Jon said, they have already done 142 filming sessions of everything imaginable and the kids unanimously want to stop filming. I am sure Kate is telling them how fantastic their lives are having all these opportunities (money) she did not,but she had her childhood, why does she now also get to live vicariously through theirs? Children are not supposed to support their parents or themselves. How they will afford college is a dumb question. How about how will they survive the first grade with all this media attention about them and their parents? How will they make friends for real and learn to weed out those fame seekers and autograph pigs that likely start up these fan sites? Why can't they walk down the street without being attacked and pestered and begged for their time, attention or favors? They are 6 and 10. They don't want to hear how much you love them, their show, their mother. I am talking to you Sheeple who read here and then run back to your holes to trash this site. For the love of Mom of KT and whatever other Gods you claim to ,cut these kids free from TLC, don't watch!
God Bless you, Mama Mia. Perfectly written. Wish someone could smack the judge into reading it and possibly even comprehending it.
I back Jon up on this one. She thinks she can keep filming the kids until they get old enough and get sassy with her and it will happen. She won't have control over 8 teenagers cause they will gang up on her. Love to see her older daughters go toe to toe with her in a few years, they might even yank her hair extensions out
Where is Waldo?? He has been hiding since her bikini spread.
Mama Mia said ...I am sure Kate is telling them how fantastic their lives are having all these opportunities (money) she did not,but she had her childhood, why does she now also get to live vicariously through theirs? ...
Actually, Kate has told the kids on camera that it's their 'job' and must be done. Sick, isn't it, to put that pressure on children? It's Jon and Kate's 'job' to provide for their children - not the other way around.
When is Kate going to drop off the face of the earth?
I've yet to find a Kate fan who does not hold men in disdain.
They are a bitter bunch and I can only imagine how miserable their husbands (those that have one) must be.
It seems that women who are truly confident and strong are not Kate fans.
Kate is a low class wannabe who believes she's the recipient of a large trust fund. TLC will continue to feed the flames, so they can profit from the ultimate explosion.
Save the kids said... She thinks she can keep filming the kids until they get old enough and get sassy with her and it will happen. She won't have control over 8 teenagers cause they will gang up on her.
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And what do you want to bet she hands them over to Jon when that happens - unless they dump HER first.
alana said... OT - RHOBH,
I thought it was bizarre and SO rude that Kyle felt so comfortable disclosing how dysfunctional and disastrous her sister's (Kim's) life is.
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Yes I agree. Does it scare Kate at all that these children might be dealing with the consequences of their bizarre upbringing on a daily basis when they too are in their 40's? This seems like all Kyle and Kim can talk about, how their childhood is haunting them and how it impacted how they cope with their world.
Nobody talks about the summer job they had when they were 15. Unless maybe you run into someone you worked with or something. And no one is constantly thinking about it or influenced by it. But Kyle and Kim are remembering their "jobs" as kids and it's obviously drastically affected their lives. That to me is so frightening that something can have that much of an impact.
I don't get why five years of filming the children is not enough for Kate. I really don't.
To anonymous, there has really only been one comment that went against the grain today. I'm guessing that came from you. And it violated rule one, rule two, and rule three, so that's why it wasn't published. If you read the blog you can see I publish all kinds of different viewpoints all the time, as long as they follow the rules.
I also delete comments that are anti-Kate for not following the rules. It doesn't matter what you say but whether you are following the rules. Don't like it go somewhere else. I hear everywhere else can't stop talking about things here apparently!
I think it should be pointed out that nothing really "happened" to Kyle and Kim when they were child actresses. They are not claiming they were abused, they were overworked, that their parents took away their money or anything of the like. Just a typical child actress experience.
Nope, they're just dealing with the fame and the fame alone. In their FORTIES and they're still trying to deal with the experience. Nothing happened other than they were famous child actors. So even assume everything about the Gosselins is wonderful, you can't deny these kids are incredibly famous. That to me is so frightening I really don't know how the Gosselin parents sleep at night.
copy and paste: like it was written today written months ago, could have been written today..situation has gotten worse. TLC come on...wake up. this is serious
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/kate-gosselin%e2%80%99s-toxic-personality-comes-out-on-dancing-with-the-stars-as-she-not-only-disrespects-her-teacher-tony-dovolani-but-the-other-contestants/
I just have a question I've thought of over the past few months yet I hestate to ask them. Things that bothered me personally that I wonder will ever bea reflection of either of the children's parents now or later down the road?
Why was it okay for them to have DRESS the 6 younger children downstairs in the living room while the cameras are rolling? I mean to me that just struck me as horribly wrong. Let them stand there in their under clothing while putting on jeans or dresses its just...well, I feel it was a terrible thing for them to have concented to or have done at all.
I hope things for Jon, his children will turn out better soon. TLC can't possible hold him to a contract for the next 11 years! Sooner or later filmer WILL have to stop, no show films forever right? Will Kate EVER have guilt or remorse? I'm sorry I just like to believe that even people who are the nastiest or unpleasant still have a tiny bit of right and wrong in them. I can't bring myself to hate Kate or Jon as parents or people, yet I do hate their actions and recent that it has taken this long for things to begin to change.
Why was it okay for them to have DRESS the 6 younger children downstairs in the living room while the cameras are rolling....Let them stand there in their under clothing while putting on jeans or dresses....
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As for the dressing in the living room, I think it was done more out of convenience for Kate since it was near her laundry room. There were many shots where Kate is coming from the laundry room with a handful of the sextuplets' clothes.
The kids were probably all stripped down into their undies/diapers then clothed as Jon and Kate probably discovered it was the easiest and most efficient way FOR THEM.
This was shown in the first season so it was most likely a Gosselin routine, whether or not the cameras were filming.
Sometimes, routines make sense for one family but not for others.
As for the filming, this is where it crosses exploitation/child pornography. Unfortunately, the Gosselin kids aren't the only ones filmed in their undies or less. For example, I never saw it but there was a movie called "Babies" which had a preview of a naked baby in the shower with its father.
There are also photos/videos posted on the internet from parents filming their kids in these "cute" or "funny" situations. Parents sometimes forget the potential harm while focusing in on capturing these moments.
It's scary to see photos of these production crews and notice how many of them are mostly men, some even young, 20-somethings. I'm not suggesting they're pedophiles, but I do find it odd that it's men creating these family reality shows that are aimed for women audiences. I just don't imagine these men having that maternal instinct (although some women might lack it as well). If I were someone's husband, I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving my wife and kids with these men all alone, especially in the intimate settings reality tv creates.
It just brings home the point that child labor laws and filming permits need to protect ALL kids including those in reality tv.
Marie said...
Why was it okay for them to have DRESS the 6 younger children downstairs in the living room while the cameras are rolling? I mean to me that just struck me as horribly wrong. Let them stand there in their under clothing while putting on jeans or dresses its just...well, I feel it was a terrible thing for them to have concented to or have done at all.
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I agree - I don't see why they couldn't at least dress the kids upstairs in their bedrooms BEFORE filming started for the day, and then the cameras should have been GONE for the day before bathtime & bedtime prep began.
And it really wasn't necessary for them to include this in almost every episode. There is no reason why they couldn't simply explain in the couch interview what their routine was or how long it took to get ready for a particular activity or whatever. There is no need to film it.
Same with potty scenes, and also repeatedly filming Hannah screaming while getting her hair brushed. Was it really necessary to film that?
All TLC cared about was getting enough footage for the 30 or 60 minute show, regardless of how inappropriate or embarrassing for the children.
If TLC films Twist of Kate and STOPS filiming those precious children I promise to watch every episode of TOK no matter how gutting to me it may be. Come on, friends, let us convince TLC to film TOK so the kids can have a break.
I agree that Khate whining about the college fund is just all that she has left. She was reported to be worth 5 million and doesn't have any money in the college fund? What about when she went on the Today show (or somewhere) and said they all had "subtantial" college funds. That was one of the times she was whining about there was not enough money, intimatig that it was all socked away for the kids' education.
It would appear that Khate is ill concerned about education. She has taken the kids out of shool for extended periods for working vacations and the tups will be 7 when they are in first grade. Some of them in particular have made statements like I don't know what a lot of things means - referring to letters, words, etc. And how is it that from the same gene pool the twins are top of the class and the tups are lagging far behind. The twins according to Khate were high risk, too, and were also born early. Prematurity if I am not mistaken has more to do with lack of physical development and little to do with ability to learn.
I am just about done with all things Gosselin. I see no hope for the kids. They are damned if they do and damned it they don't. If they are not filming, Khate will make their life miserable (and I say this because of words from her own mouth i.e. do the kids get one too? Yeah when they get a job). If they are filming, Khate, TLC and the public will make their life miserable. Which would they prefer? I am not so sure. They are with Khate 24/7 or rather her heavy hand if not her physical presence.
Jon has no support system whatsoever - he was literally put out on the street from a very lucrative 10-year marriage where he was the primary caregiver of the children with absolutely nothing. Every effort he made to make money was stymied by his wife vis a viv TLC. And in almost the same breath she complains that she is doing it all alone.
I personally think that TLC made a huge mistake by pairing Khate up with Steve for cross country appearances whereby even the appearance of an affair would be detrimental to the marriage. Jon and Khate are synomynous with one another like Sonny and Cher, Ricky and Lucy, and making the kids foil for her (in place of Jon) has ruined the show. It is forever committed to film that Khate does not have a healthy relationshp with her children. It is toxic.
Now the saga is being pandered to the blogs intead of the Today Show, The View, Good Morning America, Extra, Showbiz Tonight, Entertainment Tonight. Why? Because there is no give and take - one side does not make for good TV. It falls on deaf ears. Jon was the more articulate of the two, he had huge earnings potential and they have tried every trick in the book to pass that on to Khate but the more people see of her, the more they tune out. It is all just a very sad commentary for which the kids are paying the ultimate price.
I'm done. It has been fun (early on).
I'm not a TLC fan, but why didn't J&K flat out not allow filming of certain things? Have you ever seen a Duggar child in the bathroom, bathing, dressing, etc.?
Marie said...
Why was it okay for them to have DRESS the 6 younger children downstairs in the living room while the cameras are rolling? I mean to me that just struck me as horribly wrong. Let them stand there in their under clothing while putting on jeans or dresses its just...well, I feel it was a terrible thing for them to have concented to or have done at all.
Just last week, Gisele Bunchen was photographed with her infant son on a beach & her son was completely nude. The pictures didn't show anything, but I'm sure beach-goers saw things, & the photographers. What if they decided to print those pictures? Some people were really up in arms about the fact that her baby was buck-naked. Throw a pull-up on the kid! Maybe in her culture it's different & that's obviously fine, (though there are sickos out there) but as for the Gosselin's, I think it was for ratings & out of sheer laziness. Let's face it, Kate is not exactly the most "on the ball" mom. And to have these camera MEN filming little girls (and boys) with little to no clothing on is just SICK. Kate just does not care about the welfare of those kids. As long as it benefits her, & her bottom line, she'll do it. That's JMO. Does Kate realize that there are perverts out there that will watch those particular scenes over & over again? This SICKENS me to no end. And I hate even writing it. Does this not cross her mind in the least?? What the hell kind of mother puts her kids in that kind of dangerous situation?
I have contacted Representative Murt's office to ask the name of the judge that gave Kate permission to have the children filmed again. His office stated that they would find out and get back to me. If Rep. Murt gives me permission I will post the name and phone number of the judge. Hopefully if enough people care about these children and giving them back their childhood, we can have some effect on the ruling.
wait, so if the children are not to be filmed before 7 AM than why do we have footage with the kids at breakfast at 5:30 AM? In a SCHOOL DAY by the way.Just look at the episode School Days(from this year) on youtube...Either they are lying about being 5:30 or there is a breach of contract right?Could Jon nail Kate with this information? If the judge knew that the kids filmed when they were not supposed to shouldn't he dissolve the contract?
Sorry, OT- but I noticed something of interest for anyone wasting precious time and energy reading or talking about "Kate's Take" on the TLC website.
Found the following on Wikipedia:
"Kate's Take" A blog written by a TLC staff and not Kate Gosselin.
A fake blog (sometimes shortened to flog or referred to as a flack blog) is an electronic communication form that appears to originate from a credible, non-biased source, but which in fact is created by a company or organization for the purpose of marketing a product, service, or political viewpoint. The purpose of a fake blog is to inspire viral marketing or create an internet meme that generates traffic and interest in a product, much the same as astroturfing (a "fake grassroots" campaign).
Fake blogs are corrupted forms of public relations, which as a discipline demands transparency and honesty, according to the Public Relations Society of America's code of ethics and the Word of Mouth Marketing Association's code of ethics. Authenticity and transparency are important in social networking and blogging, as these codes of ethics attest. The UK Chartered Institute of Public Relations' social media guidelines cite the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 and state that both astroturfing and fake blogs are not permitted.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_blog
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Folks- I do believe that TLC is taking all of us good people (Kate-haters, Gosselin 8 supporters and even Kate-fanatics) for a ride...
STAND UP & BOYCOTT TLC!
BOYCOTT KATE + 8- FREE THE GOSSELIN 8!
Kate is the one that wanted to travel all around the country with only Steve....AND remember, NO CALLING her when she was out of town. I guess she did not want to have to answer the phone out-of-breath.....in the evenings OR the middle of the afternoon.
WHAT CONCERNED PARENT...values her out-of-town privacy more than knowing how her kids are doing???? Or her husband for that matter. Speaks VOLUMES to me.
Cry Me a River said...
I agree that Khate whining about the college fund is just all that she has left. She was reported to be worth 5 million and doesn't have any money in the college fund? What about when she went on the Today show (or somewhere) and said they all had "subtantial" college funds. That was one of the times she was whining about there was not enough money, intimatig that it was all socked away for the kids' education.
It would appear that Khate is ill concerned about education. She has taken the kids out of shool for extended periods for working vacations and the tups will be 7 when they are in first grade. Some of them in particular have made statements like I don't know what a lot of things means - referring to letters, words, etc. And how is it that from the same gene pool the twins are top of the class and the tups are lagging far behind. The twins according to Khate were high risk, too, and were also born early. Prematurity if I am not mistaken has more to do with lack of physical development and little to do with ability to learn.
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I don't think Kate would be spending the amount of $ she is for private school if she didn't care about her children's education.
You are mistaken -- prematurity often results in cognitive delays as well. Higher-order multiples also are prone to language delays.
Admin, could you perhaps explain, from a legal perspective, how it could possibly have come to be that Jon is apparently paying Kate child support and has been since the divorce and not the other way around? Since the split and even before, Kate has been the one who generated income and had the higher income-earning potential, so why isn't SHE paying HIM? Could poor or lack of adequate legal representation resulted in this?
alyssa said... wait, so if the children are not to be filmed before 7 AM than why do we have footage with the kids at breakfast at 5:30 AM? In a SCHOOL DAY by the way.
That's a really good point and one that should be pointed out to Rep Murt and the PA DOL. TLC is still just ignoring the labor laws and doing whatever the hell it pleases because they know that no one from the state is checking.
I don't think Kate would be spending the amount of $ she is for private school if she didn't care about her children's education.
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Actually I think she cares more about the "status" of that school as being "elite" rather than the actual education they are getting. They could be teaching them how to weave baskets all day and all she cares about is the children are with other little rich kids rubbing shoulders with the right families.
She could set up a 529 college for them, put her paycheck from DWTS in there, and by the time they are 18 they should be set. The boo-hoo college fund crap is just another of her list of excuses to keep filming the crap out of them and stealing their childhood.
If she were sooo concerned about having enough money for college, she wouldn't be seen all the time getting manicures, pedicures, hair extensions, $4 cups of coffee and limo rides to NYC. And Whole Foods.
Jennifer said... Admin, could you perhaps explain, from a legal perspective, how it could possibly have come to be that Jon is apparently paying Kate child support and has been since the divorce and not the other way around?
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Because child support and alimony are two different things. Child support is based on your time with the children. If you spend anything less than 50% of your time with them the other spouse may make you pay to make up the difference. The more time you spend the less you pay.
Alimony is more about loss of income and Jon may have been able to get a heft sum out of Kate, but to his credit, he did not pursue it, according to a statement about their divorce finalization. Shoe was on the other foot you can bet your bottom dollar Kate would go after him for alimony.
Child support can always be modified if there is a change in circumstances, and who knows maybe it has been.
Admin.,
I have a question for you? A long, long time ago, a friend of ours' brother who was a new attorney told us that the court will give custody to the parent who makes the most money. Could Kate being willing to continue filming her children ( when Jon was not) be the reason Kate got custody? And, could the reason this judge sided with Kate be because Jon does not have a job or income, free of TLC? I'm just wondering. Thanks in advance.
Cry Me a River said..
Regarding the college funds. In 09 Kate declared the kids had substantial college funds, yet in June,2010 she said there wasn't enough money in the college funds. So, did she lie last year? Or lie this year? This woman lies so much she can't keep track of the lies. She lies when it suits the circumstances. She has to play "broke" to give people the impression she HAS to film the kids to EAT. I love the little girl voice almost valleyish she uses. LOL
June 25, 2010
http://tv.msn.com/video/tv/?g=128deb18-dca1-4953-b885-8ca49557c748
"the kids..uh..a portion of the money put away........NOT ENOUGH TO SEND TO THE KIDS TO COLLEGE".
Yet, on 8/10/09 Kate said clearly they had substantial college funds.
http://tv.popcrunch.com/kate-gosselin-meredith-vieira-today-show-interview-video/
8/10/2009
Second part of interview #2 video on page, at approx 4:17
"I feel like in everybody's life, you make sacrifices. Everybody has to work. Everybody has a job. Ours is a very unique job. It's taught us many things. It's given our kids many opportunities they would not have otherwise had. THEY EACH HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COLLEGE FUNDS. THEY WILL ALL GO TO COLLEGE. I have made sure of that, and so I don't live my life in regret. I typically tend to look forward, not backward, and I still feel like this is a good thing. It's healthy, and the kids would agree."
PatE said...
Kate is the one that wanted to travel all around the country with only Steve....AND remember, NO CALLING her when she was out of town. I guess she did not want to have to answer the phone out-of-breath.....in the evenings OR the middle of the afternoon.
WHAT CONCERNED PARENT...values her out-of-town privacy more than knowing how her kids are doing???? Or her husband for that matter. Speaks VOLUMES to me.
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My DH calls me daily from WORK, let alone around the country. I too found it very telling about their relationship and priorities. Hell, I'd call to check in to see how dogs are doing, let alone kids!
A long, long time ago, a friend of ours' brother who was a new attorney told us that the court will give custody to the parent who makes the most money.
I'm not Admin., but a friend of mine (in PA) was divorced. There were three children. He was an executive/CEO of an investment firm, with money to burn. She had been a stay-at-home housewife with no job, no career skills, and no money. She got custody of the children. PA courts tend to favor the mother, no matter what the financial status of the spouse. Of course, hit child support payments were through the roof.
That's a really good point and one that should be pointed out to Rep Murt and the PA DOL. TLC is still just ignoring the labor laws and doing whatever the hell it pleases because they know that no one from the state is checking.
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It would not be out of character for TLC to lie and say that it was filmed in the evening before school started for the year, or on a weekend. Fake first day of school...remember the Christmas episode that wasn't on Christmas? DOL would probably believe them, but it should be called to Rep. Murt's attention.
Although I agree with the point being made by this commenter, to the person who asked: "What makes us think we should have been given prior notice to this? It's a family matter."
I think the answer to this question is, the fact that Jon and Kate sold their lives to TLC and encouraged us to watch their show for all that time is what makes us feel like we should be involved. As I said, I agree with you that we shouldn't know about these things because they should be private for the well-being of the kids, but people have become emotionally invested in this family. Jon and Kate wanted us to become emotionally invested in their family in the beginning, and they have the right to change their minds, but as they say, you can't unring a bell.
"Hopefully if enough people care about these children and giving them back their childhood, we can have some effect on the ruling."
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Wishful thinking, but what kind of effect can we have on the ruling? There's not a snowball's chance that the judge is going to reverse it just because his name and number are published!
As far as the kids in private school, I have a couple of observations. First, I have had my children in both private and public schools. Private schools cater to parents and not just to children. In Kate's case, I am sure she receives a degree of being privacy that would be impossible to obtain in public school. Private schools really do cater to their clientele more so Kate might not get the flack she would in a public school about taking the children out for filming.
That said, I would never take my son out of public schools. He has a learning disability and there is no way he would receive all the services he needs in a private setting, especially speech therapy. I have often wondered if the tups wouldn't be better off in a public school with an on site speech therapist as some of them clearly seem speech delayed. Knowing Kate, she is chosing what is best for her alone when making this decision.
"Because child support and alimony are two different things. Child support is based on your time with the children. If you spend anything less than 50% of your time with them the other spouse may make you pay to make up the difference. The more time you spend the less you pay."
OK, so the key to Kate getting child support from Jon was that she won physical custody of them? Would it be relevant that even though Kate maintains the custodial home, she is actually *physically* present less than 50% of the time?
This shrew of a woman turns my guts inside out!! She just doesn't give a d--m about anything or anyone besides herself, and for so many years, she claimed to be a follower of God! I am sure God will be rewarding her, for the mis-treatment of those little miracles He gave her.OT-I see the advertising of "Sara Palin's Alaska", does not contain any piece of the Gosselins!! Yeah!!
I have often wondered if the tups wouldn't be better off in a public school with an on site speech therapist as some of them clearly seem speech delayed.
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The school in which they are enrolled does have speech therapists, and very good ones at that. If a student needs speech therapy, the counselors at school advise the parents and schedule regular sessions with the speech therapist at no charge.
The childrens' filming/work permits are up October, 22. It would be interesting to know if they are being renewed, for what shows (the last permits were for K&8 only), and if any additional permits were issued since the last ones were questionable. If the permits were issued for the K&8 show only and Alaska has strict labor laws for minors, then how would the Gosselin children be able to appear on Sarah Palin's show? If the family court judge gave Kate the right to film her children without Jon's consent, would this include other networks or future projects such as commercials, specials, interviews, promotional appearances, etc. on television? Does this mean Kate can sign entertainment contracts for her children's employment without Jon's consent?
"If the permits were issued for the K&8 show only and Alaska has strict labor laws for minors, then how would the Gosselin children be able to appear on Sarah Palin's show?"
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They can film in whatever state they choose, but they have to follow the laws of each state. PA child labor laws do not apply in Alaska. Since Alaska does have strict child labor laws, I wonder if they were followed.
However according to PA law hours filmed outside PA count toward the amount of hours allowed once back in PA.
For instance you can't go to Alaska and film the crap out of them then except to be able to film all weekend the following day back in PA--the hours have ticked.
Regarding the first day of school and violating hours because they were up so early, it's interesting a statement Kate made to the camera while getting the kids ready. I think the producer asked is this your routine? And she said something like this WILL BE the routine. That struck me as an odd statement, as if this was just practice. I'll go back and take a look again and see if I can get her exact quote. Maybe it was a set up. Either they violated child labor laws, or it was fake and the children were being forced to just pretend it's the first day. I'm not sure which is worse. If it really was their first day, how disgusting they are forced to film so early in the morning when they should be focusing on this important milestone.
Kate's ratings have been falling so that is the reason for Jon's sudden speaking up. Have any of you noticed this pattern over the last year or so? His girlfriend of the moment also chimes in with her 2 cents just to keep the back and forth b/s going. Remember Hailey Glassman and the other woman who then dated Lohan? It is like a whirlwind of publicity leading up to the show airing then it quiets down again. Textbook.
Al Walentis' book revealed that Kate refers to the Wernesville area as "Ghettoville" so there is no way Kate would send her kids to any public school in Wernesville.
I don't think the Gosselin 8 are in a private school because of the educational advantages it provides. They are there because Kate (incorrectly) believes that her children deserve special treatment.
Gosselin8Come First said... Kate is far out of touch, and needs to act like any other parent getting kids in college when the time comes, and has far more means than most average parents will ever have. Sorry if this cuts into her shoe, tanning, nail budget.
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Remember way back in the earlier days when Beth started taking Kate to the spa? Back then Kate said she would like to go once a month but it was "terribly expensive". She said her dream was to spend four days there because it was so quiet & relaxing, then she'd be ready to come home. They showed her at the spa stuffing her mouth with three count 'em three desserts while some poor girl massaged her legs and feet. Then they showed a close-up of her feet. [insert blech! here]
She justified her going there by saying Beth told her that it would make her a better mother..."because you are taking a break, stepping away and you will come back a more patient and a more loving mother." Kate ate that up like it was the best advice anyone could ever have given her. So in other words, if anyone asks I'm sure she'll tell them the spa/nail/tanning treatments are "for the kids".
Calla said: Remember Hailey Glassman and the other woman who then dated Lohan?
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Hailey Glassman and a woman dated Lindsay Lohan?
Or are you referring to Kate Major who dated Michael Lohan?
I don't quite follow. Publicity now is leading up to what show airing? Twist of Kate? I don't think that Jon would speak up because Kate's ratings are falling on Kate Plus Eight! Jon spoke out now because the hearing was now!
I really don't think Ellen is the "girlfriend of the moment." They've been together for what...seven or eight months. It's not exactly a one-nighter relationship.
They are there because Kate (incorrectly) believes that her children deserve special treatment.
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Why would Kate believe her kids deserve special treatment, but then treat them horribly herself? Does she think that sending them to a private, exclusive, expensive school will make up for it and that her kids will thank her later for sending them to an expensive school? Speaking of which, have the twins always gone to a private school? For some reason I'm thinking they went to a public school before they moved into their mansion, but I could be wrong.
Lynn said... I have contacted Representative Murt's office to ask the name of the judge that gave Kate permission to have the children filmed again. His office stated that they would find out and get back to me. If Rep. Murt gives me permission I will post the name and phone number of the judge. Hopefully if enough people care about these children and giving them back their childhood, we can have some effect on the ruling.
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Given that Kate's attny. had a comment issued on ROL, I'd suggest having Admin. contact JON and get his permission. This could end up making things harder for HIM, if TLC is really of the gag order. Ask JON if he wants us to do that, better yet, ask Paul Petersen if he thinks it will do any good.
"Six months after meeting one another, Jon proposed marriage to Kate."
He moves quickly
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I don't think Kate would be spending the amount of $ she is for private school if she didn't care about her children's education.
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Perhaps, though I picture her sending the kids to that school, out of HER need to show that she's "just as good as the folks that send their kids there". I'd be willing to bet that Jon's dad perhaps started the twins at the school, perhaps even left money for the tups to attend also...I don't think Kate would spend "her" money on the school.
Isn't it the school that Talia (Beth's daughter) attended? I even heard that they were paying the twins' tuition.
I'd be willing to bet that Jon's dad perhaps started the twins at the school, perhaps even left money for the tups to attend
He died in January of 2005; in September of 2004, the twins were only three, not yet ready for school, so Jon's dad didn't start the twins at the school. In fact, they didn't go to the Pre-K program there.
Admin, I do believe the filming actually did occur the morning of the first day of school as the pap photos show Kate in the same outfit at the house that morning that she was photographed in shoving the kids into the bus.
"Six months after meeting one another, Jon proposed marriage to Kate."
He moves quickly"
No SHE moves quickly. Her two previous boyfriends went on record in saying she was pushing hard for marriage, after just a few months of dating, and even after she cheated on one of them!
I really wish people would stop making such wild assumptions about private schools, as though they cater to every whim of parents and make up their own rules. The attendance rules are the same; that is regulated by the state. Many parents of means take their kids out of school for a week or so to go on a vacation. The school doesn't look the other way any more than a public school. If a parent takes a kid out of a public school for a vacation there's not a damn thing any school can do to stop them as long as the kids are in attendance a certain number of days and are not being educationallly neglected.
Parents of private school kids pay all the taxes that public school parents pay. The only return they get on their tax dollar is a school bus (sometimes) and specialists such as speech, hearing and screening for learning disabilities, if warranted. Private schools cannot offer special education, but they get a whole team of specialists from the public schools to help evaluate kids who are having trouble. My four kids are all in private schools and I'm offended when people assume we spend tens of thousands of dollars per year so we can boss around the administrators and be catered to. It's just silly. We spend the money so our kids can have the best education we can possibly give them. Period. End of story.
The president of my kids' school would get a big chuckle out of the assumption that they are there to cater to us. We write the checks. The administration is in charge. The rules are more strict than any public school and they are non-negotiable.
Kathy said... No SHE moves quickly. Her two previous boyfriends went on record in saying she was pushing hard for marriage, after just a few months of dating, and even after she cheated on one of them!
Where did information come from?
PA Parents I think your points are well taken. However I think Kate is expecting for the money she will get special treatment even if the reality is they are not too keen to treat them special. I think you yourself are certainly paying for private schools for the right reasons, I don't think Kate has the same noble intentions. I think for her just like the Nobu sushi and the haircut and the tanning and the plastic surgery and the clothes, it's all about status, it's all about living the life she thinks she deserves and she thinks all celebs live (gaaa, all celebs don't send their children to private school, this is a plain and simple FACT Kate!). Kate is a poser of the most pathetic order.
I have seen public schools bend over backwards for children of celebrities just as much as any private school would. It might shock Kate but many of the celebrity kids in the celeb-laden town I lived in slummed it with the rest of us at public school. These children do get special treatment in some ways. However what I saw was them bending over backwards for the right reasons--to protect children from paps, to keep things private, and so on. But when it came down to it, they didn't care if Johnny's father was Johnny Cash or Johnny Depp or Johnny Nobody--Johnny better be turning in his homework along with everyone else.
Kathy said... No SHE moves quickly. Her two previous boyfriends went on record in saying she was pushing hard for marriage, after just a few months of dating, and even after she cheated on one of them!
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Questions said...Where did information come from?
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http://www.starmagazine.com/kate_gosselin_ex_fiance_cheat/news/15656
I think Preesi has the scan of the whole article.
Moose Mania said...
I'd be willing to bet that Jon's dad perhaps started the twins at the school, perhaps even left money for the tups to attend
He died in January of 2005; in September of 2004, the twins were only three, not yet ready for school, so Jon's dad didn't start the twins at the school. In fact, they didn't go to the Pre-K program there.
It was rumored, at the time, that Beth Carson paid for the twin's first year at the private school.
Thank you for letting me rant, Admin. I've just been reading this stuff about private schools on this blog for so long and it gets to me after awhile. Some people tend to think they are just lawless playgrounds for spoiled, rich kids and that's just not the case in our school. I do without a lot of material things to give my kids every opportunity, and it bugs me that people think we're getting away with some kind of neglect. My kids get detention if they're caught with their shirt untucked. God forbid a student dyes his or her hair or a boy forgets his belt!
I'm an original Kate hater, and I agree she is a poser. She would be as abusive to her kids' school administrators and teachers as she would be to Jon, the grocery bagger or a housekeeper. That's just her sick, evil personality. But that is not the rule at private schools. My rant is over. Thank you for letting me vent.
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Kathy said... No SHE moves quickly. Her two previous boyfriends went on record in saying she was pushing hard for marriage, after just a few months of dating, and even after she cheated on one of them!
Where did information come from?
I'm not Kathy, but I know that one ex-boyfriend was interviewed in a major magazine. A quick Google search of "kate gosselin ex-boyfriend" gave me one answer: Star Magazine, June 3, 2009. There are plenty of links to see parts of the article online if you search.
The president of my kids' school would get a big chuckle out of the assumption that they are there to cater to us. We write the checks. The administration is in charge. The rules are more strict than any public school and they are non-negotiable.
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It depends on the school. While that would be true at parochial schools, there are several private schools in our area (Lancaster, PA) that are parent-based, meaning that yes, the parents have a much greater voice in what goes on in the school and the administration listens.
However, at the school the kids attend, this isn't the case. We write the checks, rules are rules, and there is absolutely no preferential treatment for any of the students. The headmaster does not "cater" to the parents. There are quite a few kids on financial aid, the identities of whom are not disclosed. Students do not know which of their classmates are receiving aid (unless the children themselves share this knowledge). All of the students are treated equally, with the same quality education available to all of them. The kids are not catered to because some of them come from well-to-do families, or may have "celebrity" status.
I can appreciate your rant, because unless one is a parent at the school, it's all supposition and conjecture that these are spoiled, rich kids who run wild and get away with everything because their parents are paying hefty amounts to send them there. When you're a hands-on parent with children in the school, you come to know what a fine institution it is, and that it is doing everything to protect and nuture the Gosselin children. They are where they need to be right now. To uproot them from this school, and from their classmates, would be a travesty. Heaven knows they have been through enough in their young lives.
One story to tell re my kids' private school. A very famous professional athlete demanded that his kids be escorted to their car with umbrellas held over their precious heads when it rained. The school told him to bag it. I can totally imagine Kart doing that! And I think she would also be told to bag it. Wow, people like like should write a book: "How to Raise a Narcissist". Maybe the Kreiders are working on that book right now.
I really think there is something to be said for these private schools not being the kind of snooty Dead Poet's Society boarding school where everyone where's the school jacket and looks down on anyone who isn't Protestant with a senator for a father.
I don't know if college compares but after a public education my entire life I went to rather exclusive a private college on partial scholarship, not because I was seeking out that environment but because I wanted to get into the best school I could and that was the best one. I was nervous about it, wondered if I would fit in, I admit it. I was in class with a daughter of a famous romance author, the son of a famous country star, and a grown up child actor who was in an famous Oliver Stone movie as a child. No one gave a crap. Everyone was treated exactly the same. I was pleasantly surprised. That said, I think a lot of parents expect that if I'm going to pay you this kind of money I want special treatment.
Of course I meant wears, lol it's been a long day
I think they've told Kate to zip it because they cannot trust what comes out of her mouth. They're saying as little as possible and hoping this blows over. They wanted to keep the whole thing quiet, they didn't want anyone to know Kate was fighting to keep exploiting the kids--why??? What are they embarrassed about? They're guilty and they know it and whistleblower Jon blew the whistle knowing he could get in trouble for it.
And also going around saying it's good for the kids to film the crap out of them please please judge tell me I can continue this, just looks, well, bad.
Jon signed a contract. The impression I get is that the contract was simply upheld as valid. That doesn't mean TLC has much vested interest in Kate and her histrionics any longer. Just because she CAN film them per the contract, doesn't mean they will be filmed through 2012. I think the fat lady has sung her last tune and called it a night.
PA Parents said...
Some people tend to think they are just lawless playgrounds for spoiled, rich kids and that's just not the case in our school.
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I haven't seen a comment like that on this board.
I think the discussion surrounded around why Kate was sending her kids to private school. It wasn't directed at anyone here.
I went to a very strict private school in California and then transferred to a public school for junior high. So I KNOW about strictness. Private schools are more demanding and I think it benefits the students later on in life. JMO
An interesting article regarding the Denise Richards/Charlie Sheen battle over filming of their daughters. It might shed some light into why the judge ruled the way he did:
http://www.uslaw.com/pop/reality-of-celebrity-divorce-its-complicated-denise-richards-seeks-to-star-kids-in-reality-show/?p=113
Here's Baby Mama's view. Having the kids filmed is educational for other moms. People who protest the objectifying and privacy loss of the kids are just jellus of the freebies and pay. Whoa. Is there ANY concern for the kids in this viewpoint? Nope.
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Baby Mama says...
"What pisses me off is the comments about what was filmed in the past. The kids in their normal routine of getting dressed is now become inappropriate. The episode of Kate having to deal with potty training her kids, the one that moms praised for helping them get over the hump, is now offensive. I loved and praised these episodes. It was all about going through their life and EVERYONE with kids has to go through it. But because they are getting paid and getting FREEBIES, Kate should be ashamed!"
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Now (from Silimom's link above) compare the response of Stacy Schneider, who's actually been on a reality show:
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"Charlie Sheen made...a dead-on correct parenting judgment by attempting to shield the toddlers from a potentially harmful and frightening experience of being followed by television cameras 24/7.
"(I had a taste of the so-called reality “good life” when I appeared as a contestant on The Apprentice with Donald Trump in 2006. I know what these little girls have in store for them. The lack of privacy and the incessant presence of a camera crew are unnerving and stressful, and I imagine would be especially traumatizing for young children).
"Moreover, broadcasting the children’s images on a national TV show also makes them easier targets for potential kidnappings and paparazzi followings.
Denise Richards appears desperate and is missing the point if she thinks a reality show featuring her children will help her without hurting her kids."
Private schools are no better or worse than public schools. Some are good, some are terrible (private schools, on average, pay teachers LESS than public schools).
My cousin went to private school until the 6th grade than went to public school. She barely graduated HS and flunked out of college first semester, but she was a straight A student in that private school!!
A friend taught at a private school and the parents ABSOLUTELY ran the school. In fact, one of the students BIT her, she had an enormous bruise, it looked like a purple softball on her arm, had to go to the ER and get a tetanus shot. NOTHING happened to the kid who did it. NOT. A. THING.
Like public schools, it all really depends on where you attend, and personally, I find it annoying that people think that private schools are automatically better than public schools, because many of them AREN'T.
Anonymous, anyone who would pay tuition at a private school and not know their child wasn't being educated properly isn't a very bright person to begin with. Standardized tests are one way of knowing if your child is being educated. At my childrens' school the average ACT score is 29. That is an outrageously high "average". Those are the kind of questions a parent should ask before writing their first check.
As far as a student biting someone, that student would be expelled within the hour. That's another blessing about private schools. Sorry you have a chip on your shoulder, but your facts don't hold water.
"Standardized tests are one way of knowing if your child is being educated."
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Unfortunately. that's not always true. It's a good indicator, but many kids don't do well on standardized tests, which is one of the reasons there is has been a move among colleges to do away with the SATs and ACTs and are considering test-optional admissions. They recognize that there is not a one-size-fits-all approach to testing, and that many students who do not do well in standarized testing are, in fact, qualified for college admission and perform well academically.
A question to ask before one "writes the check" to the private school is not only the percentage of its graduates who attend a four-year college or university (at the G's school it's 100 percent, with many of those students being accepted at Ivy League schools), but to what college or university those students have been accepted.
To PA Parents: You mentioned the average ACT score at your school. What is the average SAT?
PA Parents...
I am sure that you are very proud of "your" school, and probably have every right to be. Private schools are a wonderful option, although may not be the best choice for every parent. You are, however, assuming that all private schools deal with behavorial and academic issues the same way. You wrote that a biter would be gone within an hour, a missing belt would be cause for detention. This may be true in your school, but not in all private schools. In being an advocate for private school education, you come across as being somewhat arrogant and I'm sure that you don't mean to do so. Statements such as your president would chuckle if he thought parents were catered to, and your ACT scores are "outrageously high" seem to be bragging, and this attitude does nothing to advance your cause for private education; in fact, it does the opposite and only gives more ammunition to those who feel private schools are attended by students of snobby, high-and-mighty parents who look down on those whose children attend public schools.
You used the phrase "write the check" a few times, and here again we have the issue of money laid on the table, and not in a very subtle manner.
When you say, "sorry you have a chip on your shoulder," it comes across as condescending and does nothing to strengthen your argument. In your passion for your case for private education versus public eduction, it's the tone of your posts that may cause a rise in some people and really doesn't do much to make your arguments seem credible. It just seems like it's "my way or the highway." Again, I would believe that you don't mean it to sound like this, but I think that this is most likely the way it comes across to other posters.
Anonymous, anyone who would pay tuition at a private school and not know their child wasn't being educated properly isn't a very bright person to begin with. Standardized tests are one way of knowing if your child is being educated. At my childrens' school the average ACT score is 29. That is an outrageously high "average". Those are the kind of questions a parent should ask before writing their first check.
As far as a student biting someone, that student would be expelled within the hour. That's another blessing about private schools. Sorry you have a chip on your shoulder, but your facts don't hold water.
An interesting article regarding the Denise Richards/Charlie Sheen battle over filming of their daughters. It might shed some light into why the judge ruled the way he did:
http://www.uslaw.com/pop/reality-of-celebrity-divorce-its-complicated-denise-richards-seeks-to-star-kids-in-reality-show/?p=113
Jon signed a contract. The impression I get is that the contract was simply upheld as valid. That doesn't mean TLC has much vested interest in Kate and her histrionics any longer. Just because she CAN film them per the contract, doesn't mean they will be filmed through 2012. I think the fat lady has sung her last tune and called it a night.
I really think there is something to be said for these private schools not being the kind of snooty Dead Poet's Society boarding school where everyone where's the school jacket and looks down on anyone who isn't Protestant with a senator for a father.
I don't know if college compares but after a public education my entire life I went to rather exclusive a private college on partial scholarship, not because I was seeking out that environment but because I wanted to get into the best school I could and that was the best one. I was nervous about it, wondered if I would fit in, I admit it. I was in class with a daughter of a famous romance author, the son of a famous country star, and a grown up child actor who was in an famous Oliver Stone movie as a child. No one gave a crap. Everyone was treated exactly the same. I was pleasantly surprised. That said, I think a lot of parents expect that if I'm going to pay you this kind of money I want special treatment.
The president of my kids' school would get a big chuckle out of the assumption that they are there to cater to us. We write the checks. The administration is in charge. The rules are more strict than any public school and they are non-negotiable.
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It depends on the school. While that would be true at parochial schools, there are several private schools in our area (Lancaster, PA) that are parent-based, meaning that yes, the parents have a much greater voice in what goes on in the school and the administration listens.
However, at the school the kids attend, this isn't the case. We write the checks, rules are rules, and there is absolutely no preferential treatment for any of the students. The headmaster does not "cater" to the parents. There are quite a few kids on financial aid, the identities of whom are not disclosed. Students do not know which of their classmates are receiving aid (unless the children themselves share this knowledge). All of the students are treated equally, with the same quality education available to all of them. The kids are not catered to because some of them come from well-to-do families, or may have "celebrity" status.
I can appreciate your rant, because unless one is a parent at the school, it's all supposition and conjecture that these are spoiled, rich kids who run wild and get away with everything because their parents are paying hefty amounts to send them there. When you're a hands-on parent with children in the school, you come to know what a fine institution it is, and that it is doing everything to protect and nuture the Gosselin children. They are where they need to be right now. To uproot them from this school, and from their classmates, would be a travesty. Heaven knows they have been through enough in their young lives.
Jennifer said... Admin, could you perhaps explain, from a legal perspective, how it could possibly have come to be that Jon is apparently paying Kate child support and has been since the divorce and not the other way around?
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Because child support and alimony are two different things. Child support is based on your time with the children. If you spend anything less than 50% of your time with them the other spouse may make you pay to make up the difference. The more time you spend the less you pay.
Alimony is more about loss of income and Jon may have been able to get a heft sum out of Kate, but to his credit, he did not pursue it, according to a statement about their divorce finalization. Shoe was on the other foot you can bet your bottom dollar Kate would go after him for alimony.
Child support can always be modified if there is a change in circumstances, and who knows maybe it has been.
Cry Me a River said...
I agree that Khate whining about the college fund is just all that she has left. She was reported to be worth 5 million and doesn't have any money in the college fund? What about when she went on the Today show (or somewhere) and said they all had "subtantial" college funds. That was one of the times she was whining about there was not enough money, intimatig that it was all socked away for the kids' education.
It would appear that Khate is ill concerned about education. She has taken the kids out of shool for extended periods for working vacations and the tups will be 7 when they are in first grade. Some of them in particular have made statements like I don't know what a lot of things means - referring to letters, words, etc. And how is it that from the same gene pool the twins are top of the class and the tups are lagging far behind. The twins according to Khate were high risk, too, and were also born early. Prematurity if I am not mistaken has more to do with lack of physical development and little to do with ability to learn.
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I don't think Kate would be spending the amount of $ she is for private school if she didn't care about her children's education.
You are mistaken -- prematurity often results in cognitive delays as well. Higher-order multiples also are prone to language delays.
wait, so if the children are not to be filmed before 7 AM than why do we have footage with the kids at breakfast at 5:30 AM? In a SCHOOL DAY by the way.Just look at the episode School Days(from this year) on youtube...Either they are lying about being 5:30 or there is a breach of contract right?Could Jon nail Kate with this information? If the judge knew that the kids filmed when they were not supposed to shouldn't he dissolve the contract?
Marie said...
Why was it okay for them to have DRESS the 6 younger children downstairs in the living room while the cameras are rolling? I mean to me that just struck me as horribly wrong. Let them stand there in their under clothing while putting on jeans or dresses its just...well, I feel it was a terrible thing for them to have concented to or have done at all.
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I agree - I don't see why they couldn't at least dress the kids upstairs in their bedrooms BEFORE filming started for the day, and then the cameras should have been GONE for the day before bathtime & bedtime prep began.
And it really wasn't necessary for them to include this in almost every episode. There is no reason why they couldn't simply explain in the couch interview what their routine was or how long it took to get ready for a particular activity or whatever. There is no need to film it.
Same with potty scenes, and also repeatedly filming Hannah screaming while getting her hair brushed. Was it really necessary to film that?
All TLC cared about was getting enough footage for the 30 or 60 minute show, regardless of how inappropriate or embarrassing for the children.
I think it should be pointed out that nothing really "happened" to Kyle and Kim when they were child actresses. They are not claiming they were abused, they were overworked, that their parents took away their money or anything of the like. Just a typical child actress experience.
Nope, they're just dealing with the fame and the fame alone. In their FORTIES and they're still trying to deal with the experience. Nothing happened other than they were famous child actors. So even assume everything about the Gosselins is wonderful, you can't deny these kids are incredibly famous. That to me is so frightening I really don't know how the Gosselin parents sleep at night.
Save the kids said... She thinks she can keep filming the kids until they get old enough and get sassy with her and it will happen. She won't have control over 8 teenagers cause they will gang up on her.
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And what do you want to bet she hands them over to Jon when that happens - unless they dump HER first.
When is Kate going to drop off the face of the earth?
I back Jon up on this one. She thinks she can keep filming the kids until they get old enough and get sassy with her and it will happen. She won't have control over 8 teenagers cause they will gang up on her. Love to see her older daughters go toe to toe with her in a few years, they might even yank her hair extensions out
A trip down google will reveal the histories of most of these Gosselin sites and they all seem to have the same sordid backstabbing backgrounds. I steer clear of the ones that start quoting scriptures to authenticate their lunacy. Having said that, it is mind boggling how one can't figure out on their own how filming the Gosselin children for entertainment is harmful and damaging. They are not actors or script readers, they are minor aged siblings trapped in a contract that requires them to work to provide enough film footage for half hour episodes. As Jon said, they have already done 142 filming sessions of everything imaginable and the kids unanimously want to stop filming. I am sure Kate is telling them how fantastic their lives are having all these opportunities (money) she did not,but she had her childhood, why does she now also get to live vicariously through theirs? Children are not supposed to support their parents or themselves. How they will afford college is a dumb question. How about how will they survive the first grade with all this media attention about them and their parents? How will they make friends for real and learn to weed out those fame seekers and autograph pigs that likely start up these fan sites? Why can't they walk down the street without being attacked and pestered and begged for their time, attention or favors? They are 6 and 10. They don't want to hear how much you love them, their show, their mother. I am talking to you Sheeple who read here and then run back to your holes to trash this site. For the love of Mom of KT and whatever other Gods you claim to ,cut these kids free from TLC, don't watch!
Yes, we can all agree, surely a lot of hours go into filming a TV show. That very well could be the reason there is no filming of K+8 going on now. All 8 kids are in school 5 days a week. Basically, with only weekends free, there aren't enough hours available to create a weekly show, unless TLC is quietly doing marathon weekend filming (when Jon doesn't have them) and is saving the footage for a revival of the show in the future. Their fake permits allow the kids to be be filmed up 10 pm.
However the 400 hours for a one hour show wouldn't be possible, a documentary I can see.
Administrator- All 6 of my mother's kids worked summers and during high school and college years to pay their way. My point, and yours most likely, was that most high school students will have to file applications for grants, scholarships and loans in order to achieve their goals, if they are intent on getting a college education. Kate seems to believe her children are "entitlted" to have their college educations paid for, like everything else. Hopefully the fact that they will have good grades, etc..will allow them to get scholarships, grants, etc.. I get the fact that most teenageers should work for their goals, and all my B& S did to save for college. Not sure that Kate thinks she has any part in assisting her kids to college (if they even want to go) but will cry poor that SHE needs to pay for all 8 college educations even if they choose not to go. The kids are 10 and 6 but Kate is already creating reasons why SHE MUST MAKE MONEY. So I think we are on the same page.
Four hundred hours of filming to get a one hour show? When K+8 was on weekly they'd have been filming continually with no time to sleep. LOL
I am pretty much done with this debacle, but noticed that some/many of the sheeples are "concerned" how Kate will ever pay for college for 8. Hello.... it is called tuition, grants, loans, scholarships.... just like every other child who goes to college these days. I am disgusted, as my father died at 40, and yet my mother managed on mild means (she worked, word foreign to Kate) to put 6 kids through college, with grants, loans, scholarships.... etc.. Entitled Kate has no idea of college expenses and thinks all expenses should be paid for all her children, without her filling out a lick of paperwork, as so many parents and kids do who are struggling to make ends meet, while getting a college education. Rather she believes, the "state" should pay for their college, in spite of her means, much as she did when she insisted the state should pay for a second year of nursing care for the tups, and lost. Kate is far out of touch, and needs to act like any other parent getting kids in college when the time comes, and has far more means than most average parents will ever have. Sorry if this cuts into her shoe, tanning, nail budget. My mom put her kids first. And we all took out student loans. What a crazy thought!!
I was reading about adult child stars and came across a book written by Diana Serra Cary who as a child actor was known as "Baby Peggy". I had never heard of her before, but her story is so similar to what's happening to the G8 I think it's relevant enough for posting. Ms Cary is now an active member of A Minor Consideration.
Some snippets from the "Wikipedia" article about her:
"On several occasions I went onstage so yellow-dog sick they had to put buckets in the wings: I threw up in one before I made my entrance, and in the second when I exited, before changing and going back out for my encore." When Peggy was a teenager, her father even tried to forbid glasses because he claimed they would make her less marketable to film.
Peggy's career was controlled by her father, who accompanied her to the studio every day and made every decision about her contracts. Mr. Montgomery often claimed that Peggy's success was based not on her own talent, but on her ability to follow orders unquestioningly.
Jack and Marian Montgomery handled all of the finances. Money was spent on expensive cars, homes and clothing; nothing was set aside for the welfare or education of Peggy or her sister. Peggy herself was paid one nickel for every vaudeville performance.
Through a combination of excessive spending and trust in corrupt business partnerships, almost all of the money earned from films and vaudeville was squandered. By the 1930s, the Montgomery family was living hand to mouth, scraping to meet expenses by working as extras.
At the age of seventeen, trying to escape the film industry and her parents' plans for her life, Cary ran away from home and rented an apartment with her sister Louise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diana_Serra_Cary
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