In fact on November 20, 2009, a TLC spokesperson said the focus was not on Kate Plus 8 at all, but on a series about just Kate: "Plus 8 is not in production. We are focusing on the launch of Kate's new series in early spring."
Now, a full 12 months later, what happened to Twist of Kate? Here's a timeline we compiled back in August, updated.
November 2009: TLC confirms they plan to have a new show staring only Kate to air in the Spring of 2010.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2009/11/tlc-says-kate-will-have-her-own-show-in.html
Early December 2009: Kate is caught at Finch's Restaurant's in North Carolina, full camera crew with her, filming her cooking at the restaurant. Bodyguard Steve was with her, and told people they were filming a "test" pilot.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2009/12/kate-starts-filming-new-food-show.html
Late December 2009: Coincidence or not, a few weeks after Kate films her test pilot (and maybe after it bombed with a test audience?), rumors circulate that now Kate is going to do her own dating show. This rumor soon fizzles out, perhaps after it was "tested" on the public and got a negative reaction.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2009/12/dating-show-for-kate-in-works.html
January 13, 2010: A few more details emerge about Kate's new show. The show is to feature Kate being filmed trying out different jobs, reportedly a "firefighter." This is consistent with Kate being caught filming cooking at Finch's.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/01/kates-new-show-wont-feature-jon-or-kids.html
April 8, 2010: After remaining silent for months, TLC makes another announcement about Kate's two new shows. The first would be Kate Plus 8, an update show featuring Kate and the kids (Yeah, an update show that films the children all summer long and into the school year even while the children are having serious problems in school including expulsion, we would later learn). The second show, featuring just Kate, would be called Twist of Kate. This time, the concept was a bit tweaked from the original idea of Kate trying out different jobs. The series was to follow Kate as she travels the country to meet families with challenges at work or at home and attempt to “walk a mile in their shoes,” according to a TLC statement. The show will also give Kate a chance to “roll up her sleeves and see what she can do to help.” (Admin: Doesn't Kate have enough problems herself without trying to solve some other family's issues?)
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/04/twist-of-kate.html
Post April 8: Jon gives in and Kate Plus 8 resumes airing with the kids on June 8, 2010. A show featuring just Kate is rarely mentioned.
Summer-Fall 2010: The kids spent the bulk of their summer and now into their school year criss-crossing the country filming ten (and counting) episodes of Kate Plus 8. In November, two of the children get suspended, then expelled from school and the remaining are rumored to be on probation.
November 20, 2010: A source told Life & Style that Twist of Kate is "no longer on the schedule because Kate can't bring in the ratings anymore" and that the show is cancelled (Admin: How can a show that never even aired by cancelled?) In response, a TLC rep told Gossip Cop this is "absolutely untrue." Twelve months later, TLC is still insisting it's a go. If it's such a great show, where is it?
169 sediments (sic) from readers:
Admin, you've got your assumptions all wrong!
Twist of Kate has been in production for quite some time! First, Kate would try out being a TV host to see if she could help Whoopi and Joy do a better job. Then she would delve into the world of authors to see if JD Rowland needed a hand with her writing skills. Then, she would
work on Paula Deen to help her along with the
TV personality/cooking concept. Then it was to help Brooke Burke in how to use a microphone properly. Then it was to teach Carrie Ann, Len and Bruno a thing or two about judging (they were apparently hopeless) and teach Tony a whole lot about teaching dance. Now it's onto the world of skating. Before long, the likes of Kristi Yamaguchi will have some clear idea about axels, triple toe loops and spins.
You see? Twist of Kate is alive and well and is apparently never going to end.
I hope she's mad as hell that they made her pick up garbage and serve pancakes to commoners for nothing.
It's 'Country Day Minus Two'
2 children from 'Kate Plus Eight' on the outs for bad behavior?
Sunday News
Updated Nov 20, 2010 14:04
By GIL SMART, Associate Editor
Two of television's most famous kids are no longer attending their Lancaster County private school.
According to dozens of print and online accounts last week, two of the 6-year-old Gosselin sextuplets -- Collin and Alexis, stars of the TLC reality series "Kate Plus Eight" -- were expelled from Lancaster Country Day School, where they were kindergartners.
The two siblings, son and daughter of Kate Gosselin and her ex-husband, Jon, were allegedly fighting with and teasing other children, according to reports from a variety of sources including People, Us and In Touch Weekly magazines, the New York Post and online gossip blogger Perez Hilton. They're now being homeschooled.
Lancaster Country Day officials would not comment, with Norene K. Lahr, the school's director of communications, saying the school will neither confirm nor deny the enrollment of any student.
"We'd really rather not comment," she said. She did acknowledge that the school has been fielding calls from media outlets seeking more information.
School employees have been warned not to talk about the case, according to one source inside the school. Faculty members were required to attend a meeting designed to inform them about the situation; officials with the Lower School (which includes preschool through fifth grade) asserted that the two Gosselin kids had not, in fact, been expelled, the source said. No further explanation was offered, said the source.
A TLC spokeswoman declined comment.
The Gosselin children were students at Country Day -- described in various press accounts as a "posh private school" -- since last year. Sources say faculty and staff have had to attend meetings with Gosselin bodyguards. Once, a bodyguard led a "tour" around campus, pointing out spots where paparazzi might hide. On another occasion, said a source, faculty and staff were required to attend a meeting to Skype (a type of online video conferencing) with a Gosselin bodyguard "so he could tell us how to behave."
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(Lancaster Sunday News article continued)
Media outlets have reported that the expulsions were prompted by "rage issues," with one source telling In Touch Weekly that the two kids "fought with their peers, called them nasty names and made fun of other kids."
"The things they are saying are not words they should know. They are learning them somewhere -- but Jon [Gosselin, their dad] doesn't know where," the magazine reported.
But another source told People magazine that the children weren't behaving as badly as has been reported: "The situation is being grossly overstated," the source said.
Jon Gosselin, who starred in the current show's predecessor, "Jon & Kate Plus Eight," last year sent a cease-and-desist order to TLC, saying he was concerned about the children's well-being. In October, he tweeted that he does not believe that "being on TV is beneficial to any of them. ... Each of them has experienced negative effects of having their lives so public. Some are struggling with emotional and/or behavioral issues."
Dr. Nicholas Martino, a psychiatrist with Life Management Associates in Lancaster, said the stress of being on TV could be a contributing factor to "acting out" behavior, but there are likely other reasons as well.
"Some kids have low self-esteem or insecurity, or they have modeling issues -- they see [bad] behavior being modeled."
Plus, Martino said, in a family of eight children, "just think of the jockeying for position ... sometimes the kids who make the most noise get the most attention."
Since its inception, "Jon & Kate Plus Eight" featured a little bit of Lancaster County. The family, originally from Wyomissing, visited Dutch Wonderland in one episode; in season three, Jon brought one child, Joel, to the Hands-On House Children's Museum in Manheim Township. In season four, the couple took all the kids to the Strasburg Rail Road to see Thomas the Tank Engine; later that same season, the family traveled to Sight & Sound Theatre in Strasburg to catch a show.
In 2006 the Gosselins bought a home in Mount Joy Township. The family moved out in 2008 and put it on the market the next year. But in November 2009 the Mount Joy Township Authority placed a lien on the home for an unpaid water-tapping fee of $2,691.75, plus fees and interest. The matter was settled in January 2010, according to court records.
The family moved into a $1.2 million home in Wernersville in 2009, according to news reports. Kate Gosselin reportedly still lives in Wernersville; Jon Gosselin has an apartment in Reading.
The Gosselins also faced an investigation by the Pennsylvania Department of Labor & Industry over whether the filming of the show violated child labor laws. Earlier this year the department announced that rules were broken, but there would be no charges so long as it didn't happen again.
The Gosselins are occasionally photographed around Lancaster County, with the online INF Daily publishing a dozen photos of Kate and the kids at the Lancaster train station in July; another site published pictures of Kate outside Menchey Music Service in Manheim Township.
Jon and Kate divorced late last year; the show was renamed "Kate Plus Eight," but has plunged in the ratings. A "Kate Plus Eight" special filmed in Alaska that aired earlier this month drew just 1.3 million viewers. The shows dealing with Jon and Kate's separation drew 10 million viewers.
Gil Smart is associate editor of the Sunday News. Contact him at gsmart@lnpnews.com.
Read more: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/315316#ixzz15rJCcage
TLC is waiting to see what happens with Kate Plus 8.
If after Nov. 30th, the kids are not allowed to film, then Twist of Kate will probably air and then tank due to no interest.
If the kids are still permitted to film after the Nov 30 trial, then Kate Plus 8 will continue filming and TOK will be pushed back.
That's how I see it.
Kate needs to fade out and soon. Her family is in shambles, she's probably spent all the kids money and nobody likes her. Well except the delusional sheeple. ANY show with her that does not include the kids will bomb and she knows it. And for that reason she has ruined her kids lives. No kids= No money. Hey Kate, in the words of Pink Floyd " leave those kids alone".
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/envelope-white-powder-found-danncing-stars-studio/story?id=12199718
This is absolutely horrible, apparently someone sent an envelope with talcum powder and a threatening letter to the DWTS studio to Bristol. This is what happens when you make your kids famous, threats. Do you suppose it's a Kate fan jealous that America refused to carry Kate as far as they have Bristol?
**UPDATE 9/30/10: PER TLC, “TWIST OF KATE” IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT, SO NOVEMBER PREMIERE IS UNLIKELY. NETWORK SAYS DECEMBER PREMIERE “IS STILL NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION.” STAY TUNED …
I've said this before, I don't understand how they can watch Kate hit Jon and Kate hit all of them, and then adults expect them not to hit and bully when they are in school.
Do as I say not as I do? Poor kids.
Sources say faculty and staff have had to attend meetings with Gosselin bodyguards. Once, a bodyguard led a "tour" around campus, pointing out spots where paparazzi might hide. On another occasion, said a source, faculty and staff were required to attend a meeting to Skype (a type of online video conferencing) with a Gosselin bodyguard "so he could tell us how to behave."
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Yeah, I bet private schools can't wait to get their hands on G8.
Sources say faculty and staff have had to attend meetings with Gosselin bodyguards. Once, a bodyguard led a "tour" around campus, pointing out spots where paparazzi might hide. On another occasion, said a source, faculty and staff were required to attend a meeting to Skype (a type of online video conferencing) with a Gosselin bodyguard "so he could tell us how to behave."
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The entitlement is kinda terrifying...can't even begin to imagine how insulting this was to the administration and the faculty.
Admin.,
I thought there was to be no mention of the name of the school on this blog.
Gil (Smart) wrote: "Faculty members were required to attend a meeting designed to inform them about the situation; officials with the Lower School (which includes preschool through fifth grade) asserted that the two Gosselin kids had not, in fact, been expelled, the source said. No further explanation was offered, said the source."
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Gee, what timing! I just posted on another thread here, (after Admin commented that Kate can't sue for "the truth") that we had no idea how this was recorded on their academic records. Guess she may have grounds for a suit after all, if, in fact, this is reported as a withdrawal rather than an expulsion!
Gil's comments are widely read in this newspaper, with many follow-ups in the editorial comments section. It will be interesting to see next week how many letters from readers will address this issue.
I attended a "posh private school" in an area close to eastern PA. My son has attended a private Christian school where we live now. In my experience, both will bend over backward to avoid expulsion (unless it's something really egregious like drug use on campus or serious violence, or a repeated violation of rules where they just have to throw up their hands). So it didn't just come out of the blue, it had to have been building for some time and, believe me, the parents knew what was going on.
What DOES surprise me is the reporting about the bodyguards on campus and holding on-site and Skype meetings to teach staff to "deal" with having Gosselins attend their school. WTF? That would definitely not fly with any schools I'm aware of - unless it was a private Washington DC school where the child(ren) of a sitting President was attending. But that's a secret service thing, not a Kate Gosselin, I-think-I-need-a-bodyguard-to-breathe, delusion. I wouldn't be surprised if this school is secretly hoping that Kate does withdraw all the kids at the end of the year - it sounds like way too much hassle and it's now attracting the wrong kind of attention. I'm certain a school of that caliber will have no trouble filling those empty slots off the waiting list I'm sure they have.
As for Twist of Kate? Go for it, baby. But I'll believe it when I see it. I now believe, as I have seen people state for months on this blog, that while it may have been a real show concept once upon a time, for most of the past year it was merely a carrot to keep Kate filming with the kids.
I didn't allow school names and schedules to be published (unless the kids were being pulled out of school for WORK), but pretty much everyone knows their school now and if you don't you can find it in a heartbeat. It seems fruitless to enforce that anymore, sigh. Their own newspaper just did a huge expose about the school published above, the cat is out of the bag. I will continue to enforce the rule about not posting their school schedule.
More consequences of being a famous kid, you just can't stop things like this.
When have we ever seen Chris ever try to take photos on campus? I've never seen one photo over the years from their school. I think the school can handle this, they seem to be doing well so far.
Is this Kate's own delusion that there are paps around every corner? I thought she more or less got along with Chris. She's afraid of Chris? Delusions of grandeur. I do think the children should have absolute privacy at school (well everywhere, but especially at school) not just for them but for other innocent students whose parents don't make them work and didn't sign up for paparazzi.
A couple schools where I used to live had a handful of celebrity kids, the paparazzi were extremly respectful. You just don't go on campus, it's an unwritten rule out here. I feel like Chris has been respecting that, has he not?
Oh and by the way one of the schools was just another public school, I would send my children there if they were the most famous children in the world and feel safe. Public schools are capable of this too.
School employees have been warned not to talk about the case, according to one source inside the school.
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I wonder what this part means...warned not to talk about the "case". Why would 2 kids being expelled be referred to as a case?
Admin, I agree. "Illusions of grandeur". That is Kate to a T. Get over yourself Kate. And how insulting to the school. I think they could have handled any inappropriate behavior. Even real celebs don't worry too much about the paps coming onto school grounds, taking photos of their kids. Paparrazzi can get into some serious trouble for that, & they know it. Kate lives in Pennsylvania for Christ Sake, it's not Beverly Hills, it's not L.A. There are not 20 to 25 photographers waiting to take Kate's picture, or Kate's kids pictures. This is what getting chased by papparrazi looks like. Go down to the video. It's old, but you get the point:
http://x17online.com/celebrities/britney_spears/x17_xclusive_britney_rages.php
Um, Kate, you don't come CLOSE to what real celebs go through. So SHUT UP!
Even the paparazzi are not that bad here in LA. People like to dramatize it and exaggerate, but unless you are the child of someone super huge, like Tom Cruise's kids, or Brad Pitt's kids, it's not going to be that often the paps bother you. The bulk of a lot of celeb photos are taken at public events, such as premieres, were paps are welcome and the whole point IS publicity.
There are 24 hours in the day and upwards of 240 hot celebs you might want to get a photo of? There just isn't enough paps out there to get it.
Just for example Pam Anderson, when I was looking for photos of her and Dylan I think I only ever found one at his school. Incidentally, the school the kids I nannied for went to. I could tell it was taken from the road. Other than that one-time photo, nothing. Public school, easily accessible. But I never ONCE saw paps there. It was never discussed with me what to do when I see a pap because we simply didn't see them. Celebs are no big deal in that school, you are still expected to volunteer in class, your kids can still get in trouble, or do well, just like everyone else.
I don't want to make it seem like I think the paparazzi are not a problem, I think it is horrible for the kids to have their photos taken by Chris no matter where, when, or how, as well as the numerous people who take photos with their cell phones we've heard about--gross.
I think even just Chris taking their photo is very disturbing to them. But for Kate to walk all over the school acting like she's Prince William's Kate and not Kate Gosselin is just laughable.
If I were a parent of a student at that very posh school, paying tons for my childrens education, I would be waiting for the time all 8 Gosselins were in another school. Who would want their children exposed to all the drama??
The drama caused by Kate must be a distruption to the entire school. Kate and Steve get over yourselves.
Neanderthal Kate thinks she's equivalent to a queen because Steve feeds her this crap to earn money and to build up his own resume. It's a form of brainwashing while making her believe she needs him and she's helpless/hopeless without him. It also feeds his own ego and makes him feel manly. Maybe he's her svengali without the sex.
Celebs are no big deal in that school, you are still expected to volunteer in class, your kids can still get in trouble, or do well, just like everyone else.
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Somehow I just can't picture Kate volunteering in class like the other parents. I wonder if she does.
On another occasion, said a source, faculty and staff were required to attend a meeting to Skype (a type of online video conferencing) with a Gosselin bodyguard "so he could tell us how to behave."
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Someone needs to do that to tell Kate and her brood how to behave.
(Admin: How can a show that never even aired by cancelled?)
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Cancel -- definition: to call off usually without expectation of conducting or performing at a later time
If you have a party scheduled and you cancel it, you don't have to have the party first and then cancel it. If a football game is slated to be played, and there's a foot of snow on the ground, the game is cancelled. You don't have to play part of the game in order to cancel it.
SmileyGrl752 said... On another occasion, said a source, faculty and staff were required to attend a meeting to Skype (a type of online video conferencing) with a Gosselin bodyguard "so he could tell us how to behave."
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As an employee of the school, that would have REALLY rubbed me the wrong way.
Administrator said... Oh and by the way one of the schools was just another public school, I would send my children there if they were the most famous children in the world and feel safe. Public schools are capable of this too.
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Amy Carter attended public school in Washington D.C. while her dad was in office.
This is just yet another example of Kate thinking that the rich and famous send their kids to prep schools. Actually, some rich and famous actually just want their children to feel normal. And some rich and famous understand that just because you are forking over a lot of money doesn't mean it's "the best."
Kate thinks she is doing the best for them but all this special treatment could just end up making them more spoiled and entitled. A public school would keep them safe without making them feel singled out or special.
I know a celeb who sent her son first to Crespi Carmelite, then to Viewpoint....he wasn't making any friends there, he was very unhappy. Finally for his senior year she said fine you can go to Malibu High School....he had an absolute blast, made a ton of friends, and was a sports star.
Modonna is sending Lourdes to a public high school this year. Many others do, Pam Anderson.
Dylan and Brandon were on baseball teams with all their friends from public schools and that's where they want to be, with their friends.
Michelle said... As an employee of the school, that would have REALLY rubbed me the wrong way.
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I noticed my bad English on that sentence as soon as I hit post. Should say "IF I WAS" an employee of the school. Just wanted to clarify that I'm not an employee of the school or any school for that matter. Volunteering once a week at my youngest's elementary school is enough time there for me. :)
It takes a special person to be a teacher. I am definitely not that person!
Admin said
Kate thinks she is doing the best for them but all this special treatment
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Sorry. I disagree. Kate doesn't have the 8 in private school because she thinks she is doing the best for the 8. Nothing she does is for their benefit. Its all about Kate and her image.
I think Kate knows her kids would be fine in public school, especially in her neighborhood, but Kate does not want to be considered "regular folk". The private school for her, is so she can keep the upper class image going. She has a bad case of keeping up with the Joneses. She keeps up that mentality and she will end up in bankruptcy court.
That school would be better off with eight well-behaved children who pay full tuition than the unruly G8, who have no idea to behave due to neglect. Their pain-in-the-ass mother and her imaginary stalkerazzi alone make it not worth that school's time. Seriously, they'll have trouble recruiting kids soon if the nonsense doesn't stop.
Looking at that trim hairstyle on the back of her head, I can only imagine how cute her face still was when that pic was taken. What happened? It is all incredibly sad. An entire family has been shattered and made a mockery of because of greed.
Anonymous, try again about Gil Smart, and this time, without the libel.
"Should say "IF I WAS" an employee of the school."
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No problem. I think we understood what you meant. However (and I am NOT the grammar police and this is not snark), but if you say "IF" in the context used above, you want to say "If I WERE an employee." Sounds strange, I know, but "IF" takes the subjective mode, "were," as in:
"If I were a rich man,
Ya ha deedle deedle, bubba bubba deedle deedle dum.
All day long I'd biddy biddy bum.
If I were a wealthy man."
Or, in Kate's case, "If I were a rich gal..."
I kind of doubt if she's whistling much right now, though!
To Kate Gosselin, Moron,
Your kids' school has done a fine job of protecting your kids' privacy. It is YOU, with your reluctance to put up privacy bushes and insistence on using the bus that has subjected your kids to any paparazzi attention they have experienced. Your security goons should have told you to drive your kids to school to avoid the bus stop chaos and protect the kids. Instead they lectured the wrong people...all because you are so desperate to believe you are a star. Dumbass.
Administrator wrote,
I know a celeb who sent her son first to Crespi Carmelite, then to Viewpoint....he wasn't making any friends there, he was very unhappy. Finally for his senior year she said fine you can go to Malibu High School....he had an absolute blast, made a ton of friends, and was a sports star.
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It depends on the kid. I know a few (one of whom was the daughter of a music celebrity) who were taken out of a small private school of 575 students (total enrollment, K-12) and were enrolled in a large public school. Both of them hated it, absolutely were miserable there, and went back to the private school. One returned in less than a month's time, and both of them did exceedingly well, graduating at the top of their classes.
Public school is not for everyone. I've seen situations where it just didn't work out, and forcing a child to stay there would have done damage that wouldn't have been easily fixed.
Some kids thrive in public schools, but not everyone does.
WTF?????
I find it very hard to believe that the school caved to instructional tours and Skype calls from Steve. The administrators of the school are a complete joke if this is true -- caving to the demands of a D-lister's babysitter????? Do they cave to the demands of any other bat-shit-crazy parent as well??? Showing preferential treatment to any student is ridiculous -- especially when those students are d-list wanna-be's in the middle of bum-f*ck, PA -- where there is clearly NO threat to the kids (have ANY of us EVER see a photo of the kids' school, much less photos of them AT the school? NO.) I'm sure there are wealthier and more important families whose kids attend this same school, and I'd doubt the administration submits to being schooled by each family's personal security detail. Moreover, I'm quite certain this school has dealt with wealthy and important families for decades, and they certainly don't need to be schooled on dealing with the nosey Press. Seriously, the school would risk their reputation for THIS family????? Sure, let's host a full-on anti-pap campaign in order to ward off ... Chris from INF. I sincerely hope this story is not true. Otherwise, this school is a joke.
No public school is not for everyone nor is private school not for everyone. Clearly whatever is happening now isn't working for Alexis and Collin, at minimum. It might be time to explore other options.
I happen to think this school is probably tailor made for a bright child like Mady and she would thrive. The point is that just because it's a prep school doesn't mean it's going to work for every child, and that public schools with the commoners doesn't mean you're slumming it.
Administrator said... No public school is not for everyone nor is private school not for everyone. Clearly whatever is happening now isn't working for Alexis and Collin, at minimum. It might be time to explore other options.
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I think we need to step back and take a moment to remember that the SCHOOL isn't the problem. Public or Private? Not an issue for why the Gosselin kids are how they are today, emotionally and developmentally. The whole G8 could be being schooled in a one-room Amish school house, or by a pack of wolves for that matter. The result would be the same. Because the problem isn't their school; it's THEIR HOME LIFE, and the fact that they've been forced to live their childhoods out in front of the national media. This whole public vs. private school debate is pretty ridiculous when applied to the Gosselin kids. Their problems don't stem from bad teachers or an inadequate school system. These kids had their "issues" well before they enrolled in their private school. Their problems have nothing to do with what type of school they're in; rather, they stem from bad, neglectful parenting. Period. Where the F*** is the guardian ad litem, for god's sake?????
Administrator~
I think you said the magic words....how can Twist of Kate be "canceled" if it was never on. TLC is simply parsing terminology when they denied that it was canceled.....and it's probably dead in the water and most likely will never be shown...but...TECHNICALLY it wasn't canceled...because it was never on. Basically like the "I never had sex with that woman" parsing of terminology.
Can you just imagine the hell Kate put the administrators and teachers through when they finally said they were expelling the two children? How dare they!? She's arrogant and rude to even people who are friendly to her...and even fans....I cannot imagine what she's like to people who make her angry. She put Jon through hell and still is.
It must have been nightmarish.
Fiddler On The Roof said... "Should say "IF I WAS" an employee of the school."
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No problem. I think we understood what you meant. However (and I am NOT the grammar police and this is not snark), but if you say "IF" in the context used above, you want to say "If I WERE an employee." Sounds strange, I know, but "IF" takes the subjective mode, "were,"
Not to sound critical, but it is the "subjunctive tense" as opposed to the "subjective mode."
"especially when those students are d-list wanna-be's in the middle of bum-f*ck, PA -- where there is clearly NO threat to the kids (have ANY of us EVER see a photo of the kids' school, much less photos of them AT the school? NO.)"
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Now tell us how you really feel! This post has to be a joke, doesn't it? Nobody could possibly believe this. Kidnappings happen EVERYWHERE. Watch the news! Read the newspapers! Kids disappear from safe streets in Smalltown USA, only blocks from their own home, at their schools, or in their own backyards. Jessie Lunsford disappeared from her own home in rural Florida, Sandra Cantu was abducted and murdered by a Sunday School teacher in the rural town of Tracy, CA. Tragically, the list appears to be endless, with new reports of kidnapping happening on a daily basis.
Have you been informed that no threats have been made against these kids? Has the school taken you into its confidence? I didn't think so. How about reading some blogs (or watching some youTube videos) in which the posters claim that they want to make the kids their own. Some set up tributes (eerily like shrines) to these kids. I had my eyes opened recently when directed to a video and photos (most likely posted by a sheeple) that were downright frightening because of the person's adoration for these kids. These people DO exist!
The reason that there are no photos of the kids at school is because the paps ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY! That's because the school has done, and is doing, its best in protecting these kids from intruders.
"Seriously, the school would risk their reputation for THIS family?????"
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You clearly have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever as to what goes on there, what has transpired during these recent happenings or what precautions it takes. Kids are kids. Each deserves his/her privacy protected, regardless of whether the child's parents are blue-collar workers and the child receives financial aid, or if the student is the son or daughter of a major oil company executive.
The PA town slur is vulgar. It's an insult. To ridicule someone's hometown gives your post absolutely no credibility whatsoever. Your crassness is showing, as well as your naivety.
To Full corp press~
My personal opinion? I believe that the behavior that got them expelled was mainly due to modeling/copying Kate's behavior....at least 75-80% of it. IMO.
Sure, school could factor in, as could the filming, the divorce and the absent/abusive mother....but what has been described as the cause of the expulsion (taunting, bullying, hitting, etc.) SO closely resembles Kate's behavior that I just have to believe that this is the main cause.
Not to sound critical, but it is the "subjunctive tense" as opposed to the "subjective mode."
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Typo. Sorry. Subjunctive. Long day! Three lashes with a wet noodle! But it IS "mode." TENSE is something different, and getting into past, present mode is nothing that can be done after midnight!
Nevertheless:
"Subjunctive Mode
Are you old enough to remember the ad jingle, “I wish I were an Oscar Mayer wiener…”? Did you ever wonder about I were? This is an example of the Subjunctive Mode, which refers to the expression of a hypothetical, wishful, or imaginary thought. Sentences using wish and if usually indicate Subjunctive Mode and require using were as the to be verb form.
Examples:
If I were rich, I’d sail around the world.
He wishes he were in a position to give his employees raises.
When using Subjunctive Mode with verbs besides were, use the past tense or past perfect tense."
Now, IF I WERE smart, I'd hit the sack! ;-)
Administrator said...
No public school is not for everyone nor is private school not for everyone. Clearly whatever is happening now isn't working for Alexis and Collin, at minimum. It might be time to explore other options.
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Absolutely. You're right. It's not working. I'm just concerned, though, that if being in a small school with an 8:1 student-teacher ratio isn't working (where they have individual attention), what will happen if they are thrown into a class of 40+ kids? I don't know. Maybe they would thrive there. On the other hand, it's possible that they just couldn't handle being a small fish in a big pond.
Something needs to be done, and I just hope that the parents get their act together. Clearly, the remaining in the status quo certainly isn't doing what's best for the kids.
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I agree with you about making slurs about someone's home town and also agree that kidnapping is always a danger.
But I don't think celebrity children get kidnapped any more often than non-celebrity children (probably even less) and that these precautions were to mainly protect not only the G. children but also the rest of the students there from papparazzi and gawkers.
And really, if they were worried about the Gosselin children being kidnapped, they should have Steve guarding the children instead of Kate.
Haha...can you imagine if someone kidnapped Kate? It would be like "Ransom of Red Chief"....and they would be begging TLC to let them return her and offering to pay TLC to take her back, lol.
What exactly does it take for a narcissist to admit defeat? How many people telling Kate that she should make the kids her priority before she does it? Jon, Jodi, kevin, the grandparents, beth, the full time nurse who cared for them as infants, extended family and friends... They have all pointed to Kate as the problem. She tried to lie, cajole, bully her way out but eventually had to cut them out of her kids' life to continue with her delusional goal of fame and stardom. When does a narcissist finally accept what is so obvious if it's not in line with her desires? Is it only when there is no other choice? Shit, Kate. Wake up out of your drunken stupor and smell the coffee. You are the problem. You.
My understanding is unlike many other mental health issues, narcissism is very difficult to treat and has a poor prognosis.
One of the biggest problems is that a hallmark of narcissim is total denial/delusion. Even if a million people try to tell them they need help, they never believe it. They don't GET help in the first place like someone might who is depressed, is addicted to drugs, is having problems with their husbands or kids (unreleated to narcissim), and the other reasons people voluntarily seek out professional help. They believe evvveryone else is wrong and they are right. If you are not with them you are against them, YOU are the toxic one, not them. And the irony is everyone is trying to get away from their toxicity, not the other way around. When the kids someday estrange her it will always be their fault, not hers.
Hence the laundry list of people who have tried to stop this and completely failed. They got through to Jon, who is not a narcissist. But they won't get through to Kate, probably not anyway.
Administrator said...
Do you suppose it's a Kate fan jealous that America refused to carry Kate as far as they have Bristol?
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You can't possibly be serious. Why does the anti-Kate contingent feel compelled to weave Kate into story after story that has nothing to do with her. Your level of obsession is frightening. Do you realize that the universe doesn't revolve around Kate Gosselin?
This is just yet another example of Kate thinking that the rich and famous send their kids to prep schools. Actually, some rich and famous actually just want their children to feel normal. And some rich and famous understand that just because you are forking over a lot of money doesn't mean it's "the best."
Kate thinks she is doing the best for them but all this special treatment could just end up making them more spoiled and entitled. A public school would keep them safe without making them feel singled out or special.
I know a celeb who sent her son first to Crespi Carmelite, then to Viewpoint....he wasn't making any friends there, he was very unhappy. Finally for his senior year she said fine you can go to Malibu High School....he had an absolute blast, made a ton of friends, and was a sports star.
Modonna is sending Lourdes to a public high school this year. Many others do, Pam Anderson.
Dylan and Brandon were on baseball teams with all their friends from public schools and that's where they want to be, with their friends.
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No, it's an example of you thinking you know what Kate thinks. In reality, you have no idea why she chooses to send her children to private school. It's a parental choice, pure and simple and not all parents will make the same choice. Just because some celebrities send their children to public school does not make that the right choice for every famous child any more than the fact that many send their children to private school means that private school is the better option. How about we let the parents decide what is best for their children? There's a whild thought.
As for "wanting to be with their friends," if a child has attended private school their entire life, they most likely will have friends there. Why you would specifically associate public school with friends is beyond me.
Now that the local newspaper in the kid's area is reporting that a source in the Lower School (which includes Kindergarten) asserted that the kids weren't expelled, are the Sheeple coming out in flocks, gloating over this because they initially bleated that the story was a rumor? You'd think they would be baa-ing all over the place. Or, haven't these ruminant mammals gotten wind of this yet? If not, they will. A snippet by the newspaper's associate editor is as follows:
"Faculty members were required to attend a meeting designed to inform them about the situation; officials with the Lower School (which includes preschool through fifth grade) asserted that the two Gosselin kids had not, in fact, been expelled, the source said. No further explanation was offered, said the source."
Admin., I have a question. If the kids were not expelled (and were voluntarily withdrawn, or requested to withdraw), could the magazines, tabs, and blogs be sued for reporting that the kids were expelled? If so, would all of the "anti-Gosselin" blogs be at risk if they claimed that the expulsion was not a rumor?
Would Kate sue? Probably not, but if she got miffed enough, anything is possible. If she would be armed with school documents, I would think that, providing she could prove damages, she would have case.
Yes? No?
Respectfully, everybody is missing the point.
IMO.
Whether her blouse shows too much boobage or her shoes are in poor taste, or whether she is unskilled in how to not flip a mic like a flyswatter between her face and the interviewee, or what the tax implications of her freebies are is quite honestly irrelevant and who gives a shite.
I wish her well in her lifetime endeavors.
The more important point of concern is that unfortunately Katie is a NM. Whether her natural inclinations speak of nature or nurture, she is what she is, a classic example of a NPD.
What is heartbreaking is that the TLC starch collared pin striped navy blue suit executives, who see dollar signs in their cheerios before they grab their briefcase, and who are not fools, are as well aware of her illness as their audience, but instead they prefer to line their pockets with gold while plundering the souls of eight innocents for profit.
Whether one is classified as a “sheeple” or a “hater”, I believe the Gosselin children have a place in all our hearts
The fans claim that the words critical of their mother will forever live in infamy on the internet harmful to the eight as they grow up. As a daughter who has already walked in their shoes as a casualty of a mother’s confusion handicapped by NPD I disagree. I believe that once the Gosselins start googling their name on the internet that the words spoken on the other side of their mother’s favor will give the children the validation that they weren’t wrong, that the light of their mother’s gaslight CAN be justifiably snuffed without worry, that they no longer need to live in fear that the calm before the storm of their mother’s narcissistic rage will make their bowels tremble with anxiety, and that the triangulation manufactured by Kate between the eight is not beyond reconciliation amongst all the siblings centering from an equal platform of self worth….with the ultimate choice of forgiveness for their Mother’s transgressions being theirs alone.
Kate Gosselin blogs?
Pro or Con, I read both often…. but opine rarely.
THIS time I felt a need to speak.
Criticize/agree, I thank you for listening nonetheless.
laurajean
Not Your Decision, you're way off base and have a nasty tone. However, as already pointed out above, the issue really is not public vs. private, the issue is these children are having problems, even in a great school they are having problems.
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"As for "wanting to be with their friends," if a child has attended private school their entire life, they most likely will have friends there. Why you would specifically associate public school with friends is beyond me."
Think about it for just a second. The children live AN HOUR away from their private school. I assume, HOPE, Kate lets them do things in their own town, go to the playground, to the Y, summer sports, walk downtown for ice cream, local activities. All things typically done in your own town. They are going to meet many local children at these activities who go to the local public school and not some prep school an hour away. So there's nothing ridiculous about associating a public school IN YOUR TOWN with friends you are making IN TOWN. This is just common sense. Hence my point, that some children end up having a lot of friends at the public school. Obviously, the children have made friends at their new school too.
When I said kids want to be with their friends at public school, I was very clear that I was specifically referring to Brandon and Dylan Lee, who are close friends with the family I nannied for. I was not referring to the Gosselins, or even all children. Brandon and Dylan played so much local sports in Malibu and made so many friends with the local kids that sending them to Viewpoint, Crossroads, Oaks, or whatever prep school an hour away was going to take them away from all the friends they had made right in Malibu--that is why Pam has told people a main reason she is keeping Dylan and Brandon right in the public school with all their baseball friends even though she has the money to send them to prep school. I was merely pointing out a reason that some celebs let their children stay in public school. That is a bonifide reason.
Another case of my words being twisted of course.
I love how the expelled rumor came from "a source" but according to the sheeple that was not true. But when another SOURCE, same exact name, "a source" downplays it, that must be true.
What's good for the goose is good for the Gosselin, either you believe "a source" or you don't. You can't pick and choose which "a source" you want, based on nothing else.
I have a funny feeling this might have been one of those things where it was, Do you want us to fire you or do you want to resign? And most people are smart enough to resign.
The school may have been actually trying to help protect the children's record by saying, do you want us to expell them or will you voluntarily pull them out? Maybe Kate did the smart thing and pulled them out.
Expelled or asked to leave, both are a huge problem!
And yes Kate should sue if they weren't actually expelled. But the blogs are just reporting from sources all over the internet, there is no malice here, so none of the blogs should be in any danger. It's the people talking to the sources themselves and then publishing it they need to go after, and if they had malice, yes they might win.
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You can't possibly be serious. Why does the anti-Kate contingent feel compelled to weave Kate into story after story that has nothing to do with her. Your level of obsession is frightening. Do you realize that the universe doesn't revolve around Kate Gosselin?
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You can't possibly think that WASN'T a joke. Lighten up.
The universe does not revolved around Kate Gosselin, thank God. She is a topic here on this blog though, as it is a, you know, a Gosselin blog.
I don't understand why these people read here. They must like something about it as they keep coming back posting time-wasting comments like that.
"officials with the Lower School (which includes preschool through fifth grade) asserted that the two Gosselin kids had not, in fact, been expelled, the source said."
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So the "officials" told the source, and the source told Smart? The source was kind of like deny anything. "Smart" of him to add those three little words, "the source said."
I'm still thinking that they weren't expelled; that it was a withdrawal, but a mandatory one. Kate could have been told that if she pulls the kids out, it won't go on their record as an expulsion. If she chooses not to take them out voluntarily, it will be recorded as an expulsion.
It would leave her with no choice...
I said...
"The source was kind of like deny anything."
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I know this doesn't make any sense and I don't even know at this point what I was trying to say! Doesn't matter. Administrator is right. The school officials didn't come right out and tell Smart. He had a "source" that reported what was allegedly told to him by "school officials" in LS.
I'm really surprised, though, that the newspaper and an associate editor would even touch this story (it's been very quiet on any Gosselin articles over the years) given the fact that the newspaper enterprise has been owned and published by a family that has been a HUGE supporter (financial) of the school. It gives foundation awards to school students, and the school gave a medal for distinguished service to a member of the newspaper family who was a graduate of the school and sat on the board.
The relationship between the newspaper and the school is as strong one. Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
I could be totally wrong here, but didn't I read that TLC had confirmed that the expulsions were not going to be shown in the Halloween episode? I'm not 100% sure if they used the word "expulsions" themselves but when asked if the "expulsions" would be shown on the Halloween episode, my recollection is that they replied that no, they would not be shown....and did not refute the use of the word "expelled".
But let's say it was a mandatory removal...just like "if you don't resign, we are firing you". That's just parsing terminology. Just saying the same thing in a nicer way...so that technically they can deny a specific word...even though for all intents and purposes, it's the same thing. The point is....to have a mother more or less forced to remove children that young from a private school reflects very badly on the custodial parent...no matter how you spin it.
And in terms of common sense, if I had removed some of my children from their school for perfectly benign reason(s)...and people were saying they'd been expelled for some seriously bad behavior....I would vociferously put a stop to that...not quietly say I wanted to keep it private...even though in general, I would keep everything about MY children private....but refute anything THAT negative about them...and be very open about it.
And that's ME. And I'm certainly not a celebrity. If this were untrue, I feel sure that both Kate and TLC would be setting the story straight....and very publicly and clearly. Why is this suddenly "private" to Kate about her children, when nothing else has ever been? Even being on their potties and being smacked in public and in front of cameras? But comments are being made that if true, puts 2 of the children in a very negative light, not to mention, publicly questioning Kate's mothering skills, and suddenly, for the first time, Kate wants this kept private? Cut me a break. I wasn't born yesterday.
And if she put them in an exclusive private school for THEIR sakes? Let her show us the huge college funds she's put aside with all the money she/they so they can go to Harvard, Law school and Medical school. And sure, might she actually have these? Yes....but again, common sense tells me that's a "no". They do apparently have some sort of college accounts set up by the state where people could donate to...but I highly doubt they contain what's needed to go to the "exclusive private school" of colleges, universities and graduate schools.
Also, regarding the sheeple....I am beginning to think that the reason they continue to live in their own reality is that they have problems with NPD themselves. WHY would someone completely deny event after event after event? Revelation after revelation? Fact after fact? Keep insisting it isn't happening even though what IS happening is becoming quite abundantly clear to everyone else..and more and more as time goes on?
Because they refuse to be wrong.
And coincidentally enough, those with NPD disorder can NEVER be wrong....why there is very little hope of changing this even with massive psychiatric treatment. Kate is never wrong. And it's looking to me like the real die-hard sheeple refuse to believe they were wrong about her...to the point of denying reality and confabulating their own versions of it. Both they and Kate are unable to accept being wrong about anything.
And sure, I agree that there are things some
"haters" have said that would have been better off left unsaid....but generally speaking, the "haters" do not stealth-bomb the fan sites anywhere NEAR as much as fans stealth-bomb the non-fan sites. And the non-fans do not constantly bad-mouth and make ad hominem attacks against the sheeple nearly as much as the sheeple do to anyone who disagrees with them/us. WE mainly criticize Kate....THEY mainly criticize us. Very interesting.....and telling...IMO.
And, I have mentioned that I grew up with a mentally-ill, abusive mother and basically lived in friends' houses to get away from her. I ran into one of those friends at a class reunion years later and we met with our very young children at her mom's place the next day (the friend now lives across the country from me)....and when I was leaving (with my children), her mom said to me "I will never forgive your mother for how she treated you kids"....and I cannot tell you how validated I felt and how good that made me feel. To have someone tell me that it was HER and not me that caused all the pain and the negative feelings from my childhood, and not my fault as I and most children blame themselves for how their parents treat them. To have others reassure you that you did not cause it feels so wonderful.
I suspect that the children will very likely feel the same way one day about what's been posted on sites like this one.
RE: wake up little narcissus said...
A narcissist will rarely, if ever admit defeat. Even if all of Kate's kids turn into complete failures in life, Kate will blame everyone around her. She will never question her own decisions.
Jon picked the kids up from the bus stop on Friday. They looked excited to go with him. I hope he empties out their lunch boxes.
I think we need to step back and take a moment to remember that the SCHOOL isn't the problem. Public or Private? Not an issue for why the Gosselin kids are how they are today, emotionally and developmentally. The whole G8 could be being schooled in a one-room Amish school house, or by a pack of wolves for that matter. The result would be the same. Because the problem isn't their school; it's THEIR HOME LIFE, and the fact that they've been forced to live their childhoods out in front of the national media. This whole public vs. private school debate is pretty ridiculous when applied to the Gosselin kids. Their problems don't stem from bad teachers or an inadequate school system. These kids had their "issues" well before they enrolled in their private school. Their problems have nothing to do with what type of school they're in; rather, they stem from bad, neglectful parenting. Period. Where the F*** is the guardian ad litem, for god's sake?????
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I agree with you. These children were never raised, they were just bred. Kate (and Jon as well) never took the time to teach these children anything. I thought the idea of having children was to love them, teach them and guide them through their childhood so when they were adults they could use those skills from their parents.
These kids have never had that. A simple lesson in table manners (napkin in lap,elbows off the table, eat with your mouth closed)would have served these children well. And how about "you don't hit others and fight. You don't take toys away from your sibling and bash them over the head with it once you've yanked it away!" But no, in Kate's case, she was more interested in camera angles and whining about being exhausted.
Is it any wonder these kids have no social boundries now that they are in school interacting with other children? So, yes, it wouldn't matter if they were in private or public school, they would probably act the same way because they were never taught good behavior. This kind of behavior (fighting and hitting) is the norm for them.
I work for a school district in northern Missouri, we have several kids who misbehave, sorting from refusing to do work to having behavioral issues with others to having problems with authority and so on, well, they rarely get totally expelled, they get suspended or on a 2 weeks temporary hold at home where they must keep up curriculum with a parent or guardian, of course those kids are often in a poor setting or a very broken family of several kids, where they get no parental help or supervision, in KG's case it's not the money or the size of the estate, it's the parental dissapearance.... any kid in that situation could fall thru the cracks especially when there's a lot of kids to fight, to get attention at school BUT also at home, very exhausting for a 6 yr old, they resort in violence and bullying because that's what's most noticeable and works the fastest, it's just logical.
I hate assuming the worse but it is very likely that they might be lacking a lot of very basic skills you learn on the playground or being around other kids NOT your sibbling. Being a HMO is hard enough to begin with, Kate had chosen to keep them to herself and in a pen like performing animals for a revenue of her liking. She was so blinded by her financial struggle ( which transformed into financial obsession after being very comfortable for a while now) that she lost what was best for her kids, it was no longer being able to get enough diapers and groceries or clean clothes for her 8 kids, it became an obsession in collectiong the most trips, the most memories, the classiest flights, the most expensive hairdo, the most glamorous gigs etc etc....
It isn't a surprise that the 2 kids out of school right now have been traumatized by something, what it is at this point is not really important, it's just sad that it might not matter in the decision for them to keep filming their show in the future, after all Kate seems to have judges in her pocket and TLC has a lot of influence in why they must keep filming even if it's not good for the kids.
Question for you ADMIN. Is it possible for the judge to let Kate film the kids simply by stating that she has a contract to honor and she will fulfill her duty because she keeps to her word??? I believe she has mentionned that very fact in the past, she keeps her word.
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And TLC keeps spinning:
http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/kate-gosselins-show-is-not-canceled-20102011
Kate Gosselin's Show Is Not Canceled
Sunday – November 21, 2010 – 10:25am
Kate Gosselin fans everywhere can breathe a sigh of relief.
Her new TLC show, Twist of Kate, is not canceled, a rep confirms to UsMagazine.com.
PHOTOS: How Kate's look -- and hair! -- have changed over the years
Twist of Kate follows the single reality TV mom, 35, as she visits and helps families facing obstacles.
PHOTOS: Kate Gosselin's meanest faces!
As it turns out, the flurry of rumors about the show getting the axe due to poor ratings are "100 percent not true," the rep tells Us.
VIDEO: What Kate did while her kids went out for Halloween
Gosselin also stars in TLC's Kate Plus 8, which follows her family life without ex-husband Jon Gosselin.
BTW, the ROL story just out about the dog is totally made up. ROL just pulled out old quotes from Jeff Christopher, the breeder, when he spoke to ROL back in Sept. 2009 (when Jon returned the dogs). Yes, the dog is back, but it's for the Halloween show to drum up ratings, IMO. I hope the poor animal is no longer caged. So where has the dog been? The breeder claimed in 2009 that the dogs would stay with him, be treated as a family member(yeah....right, remember all those cages?). I'm guessing TLC paid him handsomely to return the dog.
The children are out of school, and the decision was NOT of the parents' choosing.
When not in Kate's presence, the children mimic her worst behaviors. They mimic her languange, tone of voice, hitting and screeching, hand and finger gestures, 'bugged out eyes', and verbal threats.
There is information that was given to Jon and Kate regarding the effect this is having on other classmates.
anon on this said...
The children are out of school, and the decision was NOT of the parents' choosing.
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Do you know for how long the children are out of school?
anon on this said...
The children are out of school, and the decision was NOT of the parents' choosing.
When not in Kate's presence, the children mimic her worst behaviors. They mimic her languange, tone of voice, hitting and screeching, hand and finger gestures, 'bugged out eyes', and verbal threats.
There is information that was given to Jon and Kate regarding the effect this is having on other classmates.
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Assuming you are telling the truth, I think it is reprehensible that you are further violating the children's privacy by revealing this information and it is reprehensible that this blog's administrator is choosing to post this information.
I hope Kate was listening to the John Tesh Radio show today.
He talked about how kids are beginning to be bullies as early as kindergarten, and that kids learn to be bullies from their parents. He said a study of some 2,000 girls who had anger/bullying issues got it from their mothers!!!
Stop Already said... anon on this said...
The children are out of school, and the decision was NOT of the parents' choosing.
When not in Kate's presence, the children mimic her worst behaviors. They mimic her languange, tone of voice, hitting and screeching, hand and finger gestures, 'bugged out eyes', and verbal threats.
There is information that was given to Jon and Kate regarding the effect this is having on other classmates.
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Assuming you are telling the truth, I think it is reprehensible that you are further violating the children's privacy by revealing this information and it is reprehensible that this blog's administrator is choosing to post this information.
November 21, 2010 9:37 AM
Sorry Stop Already. I totally disagree. If this anonymous person is telling the truth, we need to hear it because of course Kate will spin all of this to appear that the kids were pulled out of school by HER and not expelled, therefore making her out to be a martyr or something.
Face it. These kids lives are public. I don't think anybody with a brain blames the kids for any of this. If their bad behavior is exposed, I never for one second blame the kids. I blame the parents for how they've raised them and for how they've old their privacy for fame and fortune.
If the kids' bad behavior isn't exposed by people who know the truth, then Kate will continue her talk show rounds talking about how wonderful they are and because they are wonderful and sweet and loving, it must be because she's such an outstanding mother.
When the kids act out, I totally see them as mini Jon and Kate's. I don't think anybody out there thinks badly of the children. Just their sucky parents who would have the world believe they are superior at parenting if this privat information weren't revealed by people who know the truth.
Classic blaming the messenger. This blog was silent about this issue until the story was so pervasive there was nothing to be done to stop it.
I'm beginning to think that this bullying has absolutely nothing to do with the show and everything to do with the children simply parroting a parent's bullying behavior. Show or not they're still going to be parented by someone who is a bully, who treats people with disrespect even those she loves, who hits her own children and loved ones. Love taps and actual hitting as punishment. It's dysfunction that no show is going to help or hurt.
Kaye, you beat me to the punch but thank you. You are 100% correct. This subject is more about the parenting than the kids' behaviour. The truth has to come out somewhere because it sure as heck won't come out of Kate's mouth.
If this anonymous person is telling the truth, we need to hear it because of course Kate will spin all of this to appear that the kids were pulled out of school by HER and not expelled, therefore making her out to be a martyr or something.
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We "need" to hear it? We do not need to hear it. We are not part of a child protection agency or judges involved in making decisions regarding how these children are parented. Our lives will not change depending on whether what's being reported is fact or fiction.
Kaye said...
Sorry Stop Already. I totally disagree. If this anonymous person is telling the truth, we need to hear it because of course Kate will spin all of this to appear that the kids were pulled out of school by HER and not expelled, therefore making her out to be a martyr or something.
Face it. These kids lives are public. I don't think anybody with a brain blames the kids for any of this. If their bad behavior is exposed, I never for one second blame the kids. I blame the parents for how they've raised them and for how they've old their privacy for fame and fortune.
If the kids' bad behavior isn't exposed by people who know the truth, then Kate will continue her talk show rounds talking about how wonderful they are and because they are wonderful and sweet and loving, it must be because she's such an outstanding mother.
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Well, at least you admit that you want the children's privacy invaded because their privacy is less important than outing their mother as a bad parent.
In the grand scheme of things, who cares how Kate spins it? What difference does it make if she paints herself as a martyr? Some people will buy into it, some won't and life will go on.
They've gone back to just trying to shut us up claiming it's harming the kids, because they have nothing to say when we say that Kate is a horrible parent and the kids are having huge issues.
Lots of people throughout history have tried to "shut people up."
What's that line? "You can't handle the truth!"
***Need or want said "We "need" to hear it? We do not need to hear it. We are not part of a child protection agency or judges involved in making decisions regarding how these children are parented. Our lives will not change depending on whether what's being reported is fact or fiction"***
Sorry, Need. There was a judge recently involved in making a decision and he decided Kate could keep using the kids to make a buck. Our lives might not change but the Gosselin kids might have a fighting chance at change if word gets out. You underestimate the value of the counter-spin provided by this and other pro-kid blogs.
Nobody Likes a Narcissist said... Twist of Kate follows the single reality TV mom, 35, as she visits and helps families facing obstacles.
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Could there be a more bizzarre concept for a show than taking a woman who has alienated her entire family, destroyed her marriage (yes, with Jon's help - it takes two), and has eight children facing emotional and behavioral challenges and have her "help families facing obstacles"?
Yep, have Kate take time away from her own children to "help families facing obstacles" because her own family is doing so well. Might want to put the flames out at home before moving to the fire next door.
Of course as we've all seen over the years, the core of Kate's personality is giving back to others in need. YEAH, RIGHT! The only way she's helping others in need is because TLC will give her a TV show and pay her $250,000 per episode to do so. What a massive joke. I don't believe it will ever see the light of day.
Stop Already said... Kaye said...
Sorry Stop Already. I totally disagree. If this anonymous person is telling the truth, we need to hear it because of course Kate will spin all of this to appear that the kids were pulled out of school by HER and not expelled, therefore making her out to be a martyr or something.
Face it. These kids lives are public. I don't think anybody with a brain blames the kids for any of this. If their bad behavior is exposed, I never for one second blame the kids. I blame the parents for how they've raised them and for how they've old their privacy for fame and fortune.
If the kids' bad behavior isn't exposed by people who know the truth, then Kate will continue her talk show rounds talking about how wonderful they are and because they are wonderful and sweet and loving, it must be because she's such an outstanding mother.
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Well, at least you admit that you want the children's privacy invaded because their privacy is less important than outing their mother as a bad parent.
In the grand scheme of things, who cares how Kate spins it? What difference does it make if she paints herself as a martyr? Some people will buy into it, some won't and life will go on.
November 21, 2010 10:31 AM
Jon and Kate invaded the children's privacy the day they sold them to TLC.
If pressure isn't put on Kate and her piss poor parenting, then she will CONTINUE to exploit these kids. So, yeah, I care how Kate spins it because it always seems to land her more "gigs". She gets rewarded for telling lies. And as long as the offers keep rolling in because of her parenting untruths, the less chance the kids have of ever getting the cameras out of their faces.
I don't think this bullying/ expulsion thing reflects on the kids at all, so I don't see how their privacy is invaded. I see that KATE's privacy has been invaded, and it should be!
The way I see it, it's really no different than a child coming to school with bruises inflicted on them by their parents. When you see bruises, you say something! These kids have emotional bruises, and everybody can see it. Not bringing it to light and talking about it is the same thing as turning your eyes away from a child standing there with black and blue marks.
Jon and Kate are the two who sold the kids' privacy. Not the folks talking about it on blogs. If J & K never sold the kids to TLC, we wouldn't even know who they are, nor give a squat.
You should be wagging your finger at Jon and Kate. Not the people who watched the show and are now concerend about the kids well being. If they don't want us knowing their private matters, then they had no business putting them on a reality show for years and years, writing books about them, and selling DVD's for you to watch their very personl moments at your convenience.
Their PARENTS invaded their privacy. Not us.
I don't want to live in a country where people who speak up because they are concerned about a child's emotional and physical well being get the tables turned on them and are dragged through the mud themselves. If there is nothing wrong with these children then why does it make people so angry when other people speak up?
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Maybe "OUR" lives might not change, but it's not all about us, is it? The lives of children, who have been forced, or will be forced into earning a living on reality television, may change. That's what it's all about.
"There was a judge recently involved in making a decision and he decided Kate could keep using the kids to make a buck."
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Close, but not quite. The judge ruled that Kate could make the decision based on the evidence that was presented. He could have been totally against filming kids, but the decision was not whether it was beneficial or detrimental for kids to be filmed. It was about who has the RIGHT to decide. In this case, unfortunately, she does. The judge's personal feelings did not enter into it; it's his job to interpret the law and apply it to the case.
"In the grand scheme of things, who cares how Kate spins it? What difference does it make if she paints herself as a martyr? Some people will buy into it, some won't and life will go on."
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I'm sure Paul Petersen would disagree. He's built much of his life protecting kids in the entertainment business. Some had parents who painted themselves as martyrs and force their kids to support them. He will tell you that it CAN make a difference, and it DOES. When the parents themselves won't protect the kids, somebody has to stand up for them and do what's right by them. Thank goodness some people like him still exist, and the world is not left with those who stick their heads in the sand, just thinking about themselves, taking the attitude that in the grand scheme of things, who cares...
"Assuming you are telling the truth, I think it is reprehensible that you are further violating the children's privacy by revealing this information and it is reprehensible that this blog's administrator is choosing to post this information."
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Should we assume that you think it's REPREHENSIBLE?
How is this violating children's privacy (posting that the kids are parroting Kate's behavior?) 1.3 million people saw it on national television. Go back and look at the sofa interviews. These are mini-Kates! No question about it. They have adopted her behavior, voice tone, mannerisms, facial expressions...
It doesn't take a body language expert to see this. The kids themselves are confirming it for us. So they are invading their own privacy?
"The way I see it, it's really no different than a child coming to school with bruises inflicted on them by their parents. When you see bruises, you say something! These kids have emotional bruises, and everybody can see it. Not bringing it to light and talking about it is the same thing as turning your eyes away from a child standing there with black and blue marks."
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Absolutely right. I couldn't agree more. Someone has to shine a light in all the dark corners where abuse is suspected. The people on this blog all stand as witnesses to the theft of 8 innocent childhoods and should not allow themselves to be cowed or intimidated into not speaking the truth.
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I don't want to live in a country where people who speak up because they are concerned about a child's emotional and physical well being get the tables turned on them and are dragged through the mud themselves. If there is nothing wrong with these children then why does it make people so angry when other people speak up?
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It's an interesting phenomenon, Anonymous.
They can may get angry, bitter, stomp their feet waah, waah, waah, blah, blah, blah, boo, hoo- but it's still not going to stop the steamroller of truthseekers out there who are making sure that Kate & TLC are exposed for their deception & greed, and the destruction of the Gosselin family for the almighty dollar.
If the sheeple, or TLC (I'm sure they have people trolling the internet bullying people) don't like it- they can SHOVE IT. Just like they shoved their idiotic "star" down our throats. They can go peddle their crazy carnival to the circus.
TLC/Discovery may be powerful- but they can't force people to watch their sh*t t.v. shows.
We are more powerful than they think.
FREE THE GOSSELIN 8 + DOGGIE-
BOYCOTT KATE + 8
TLC, CANCEL THE DAMN SHOW ALREADY-
And while you're at it, own up to the fact that
your "Twisted Kate" show is a failed plan- hosted by a sh*tty, spoiled rotten, empty headed hostess.
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I suspect the people who support Kate are the same type of people in their own lives when they see little Johnny with bruises they either think, it's none of our business, he just fell off the swings, or it's probably not that bad.
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Awwwww...
It looked prettier before it went through-
oh well, you get my message ;o)
You Got It All Backwards~
Excellent post and excellent points made.
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How do you know it would never affect my life? Some distant cousin of mine could decide to allow their young child/children on a TV reality show. For every single cause that I am passionate about, I try to learn as much as possible.
These 2 young children having to leave their school is not idle gossip...it's serious and raises questions about the parenting (and the risks of being on TV, etc.)
From what I've read one of the other children was suspended in the past. Don't remember which child or if it was the same school....but add that fact to what's going on here.
And...the reason I cannot remember which child it is that got suspended, is because I am interested mainly in the CAUSE..protecting children on TV reality shows...and not obsessed with the Gosselin children. It's the relevant facts and actions, and not which child it is/was for me. The problems that are appearing could be any one of the children, as I see it. It is the PROBLEMS that are manifesting that are my main
concern...not which particular child it is.
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I'm beginning to think that this bullying has absolutely nothing to do with the show and everything to do with the children simply parroting a parent's bullying behavior. Show or not they're still going to be parented by someone who is a bully, who treats people with disrespect even those she loves, who hits her own children and loved ones. Love taps and actual hitting as punishment. It's dysfunction that no show is going to help or hurt.
I agree with you Admin. The children have indeed watched Kate disrespect, bully, and hit and are parroting her behavior, but it goes a step even farther. The children have watched her being rewarded for her bad behavior.
They've watched the approval she must get from the production crew, they see the smiles and smirks and listen to the giggles she gives in return. Yes, they'd probably be mirroring her behaviors anyway, but being on camera and the repercussions of positive attention they see from the show have reinforced this behavior rather than shown them what should be negative results.
Anon on this - can you tell us if Jon has an attorney for the Nov. 30 hearing? Thanks
Sometimes a child thinks the only way to get out of being bullied themselves is to BECOME the bully. Bullies were once victims of bullies.
I forgot about this but here is a clip I posted of Jen LAUGHING at Cara after Cara was upset over productions.
Laughing at someone's discomfort is bullying. A classic bullying behavior is to hurt someone then laugh at someone getting hurt. This is all parroting their environment, exactly what we predicted.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/08/flashback-no-4-cara-is-jarred-awake-by.html
"I suspect the people who support Kate are the same type of people in their own lives when they see little Johnny with bruises they either think, it's none of our business, he just fell off the swings, or it's probably not that bad."
Always speak out about abuse~
I don't even think it's the valid cause you've written....but that they scramble with anything they can think of to kill the messenger and refute anything negative that comes out about Kate. It's only a rumor, Jon leaked it, Jon made it up, we are jealous, we are not psychiatrists, and now we are invading the children's privacy. etc, etc......even though this info. ended up all over the internet...not only on celebrity sites and blogs...but also on the main-stream media sites and sites like the Huffington Post.
I think they will use anything they can think of to refute us and to support Kate. I think they make it up as they go along.
As a person trying to catch a break in the entertainment industry I have to say I just don't understand why Kate Gosselin gets all these opportunities! We all know she is talentless, so why is tlc investing so much in her star? I don't think she's or the kids are making enough money for the company to make it worth it to them. I just get so mad thinking of Twist of Kate and Skating with the Stars because there are a lot of talented people out there who would be much better suited to the gigs that she getting. I can't believe it! I have years of training as a singer, dancer, and actress, and you could bet your butt I would much more grateful for the opportunities that she takes for granted. Aah I'm so mad!! Where is the justice?!?!
The Gosselin children have all learned to be mean and bullying at the hands of their own parents. Kate G. can take the bigger fault of their behavior. She restricts their time with their dad who proved to be the more loving parent. This is all on 5 yrs. of tape at TLC. The "realist reality" show tells the tale of these kids and what they learned or didn't learn. It's horrible to think that kids are asked to leave or are expelled from school in Kindergarten at the age of 6 1/2. As a former pre-K teacher, I am just astounded by this mess.
Admin., question...
Is a blog protected in the same way a journalist may be protected as far as revealing sources?
The school has allegedly warned employees and faculty against talking to the media.
"Insiders" have posted on blogs, revealing information that perhaps only those close to the Gosselins and/or their school activities would know. If (and this is only an IF) the school would feel that there is a leak, they need to find that leak so it can be dealt with, and that leak is disclosing private information on blogs, would you, as the administrator be able to protect the identities of the bloggers here who have revealed bits and pieces about what has transpired in the educational lives of these kids, i.e., whether they were expelled, Kate's ranting to the school, etc.? Would they subpoena IP addresses?
There is no guarantee, especially in a criminal matter, that a confidentiality of sources will apply to journalists. Some federal courts will not force a journalist to reveal sources. However, it's a gray area. Journalists have been jailed when they refused to reveal sources.
Just wondering if a blog administrator/owner can plead the 5th when it comes to revealing sources.
Seeing all the sheeple out today repeatedly and vociferously defending Queen Khate, even though they proclaim to care for these eight children, makes me wonder something - since their usual defense is to go on the offense against anyone who is critical of Khate, how are they going to react in about eight, ten, or twelve, or so years when one of the Gosselin children gives an interview (perhaps in connection with a book he/she has written)?
Are these "fans" who've claimed to love these children then going to turn and attack them when they come of age and speak out against their mother and their childhood that was involuntarily documented on camera? When the personal accounts don't match up with their idyllic version of how fabulous it is/was to be a Gosselin kid, will these “fans” hurl vitriolic insults at some "ungrateful" young adult who has the audacity not to "appreciate" all the wonderful "opportunities" and "memories" that their mother "worked" so hard to give them?
Or will these so called "fans" be decent enough to respect the then grown child(ren) and sympathetically listen to their own personal account of their experiences growing up? When they finally hear it straight from the mouths of these kids when they've grown up, will the "fans" then finally understand that Khate is not the mother that they think she is?
Chingada.... Try popping out a litter of kids, then maybe you'll have your opportunity. Seriously though, you raise a great point. Kate is a talentless nobody who is famous for just that; having children, something women do everyday. There are people like you who fight tooth & nail, train their asses off & have the talent to make it in Hollywood & can't catch that one big break they are looking for. It's BS. Kate is greedy, self-centered, & doesn't even deserve, respect & is so flippant about what she has & there she is, getting hosting gigs, etc. It's maddening I'm sure to people like yourself.
I wish you much success in your future endeavors & I sincerely hope some opportunities come your way. Good luck with your career!
Are these "fans" who've claimed to love these children then going to turn and attack them when they come of age and speak out against their mother and their childhood that was involuntarily documented on the camera?
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I don't think the fans really love the children, do they? If so, they wouldn't be so vehemently against the state passing the bill to protect the rights of kids on reality television. It's not about the kids. It's all about Kate. I would think that when and if the time came for the kids to spill everything, sheeple would say that the kids don't remember anything and that they were ungrateful little brats.
It's Kate all the way. Kate, Kate, Kate. The kids are just baggage for them. Cute baggage, but baggage nevertheless. You could take those kids off television and as long as Kate would be doing her own show, the sheeple would be in pig heaven. They'd never miss the kids.
ET backs Kate for some mysterious reason. Maybe it won't be for long:
"Why 'Skating With the Stars' is doomed "
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40238060/ns/today-entertainment/
No it's not really about Kate either for them. And obviously not the kids. It's about their own insecurities as women and mothers and projecting our criticism of Kate onto themselves and their own mistakes and failures. It's about them, not the Gosselins.
It just occurred to me that the scenes of the children fighting and misbehaving feeds into Kate's poor, stressed, single mom doing it all image. I think she wants to present this image to further the perception that they are out of control to elicit sympathy for herself.
It also encourages her gullible fans to feel sorry for poor, put upon Kate struggling to do it all with eight children and furthers their hatred of Jon. Remember that remark "A one bedroom apartment is looking mighty good to me".
Also I think she encourages the children to all talk at once (example the time she ask them what they want on their sandwiches and also the order in which to eat their lunches), then when they are all talking at once she screams at them as if they are stressing her out. Manufactured drama if you ask me.
This is not to say they don't misbehave when there is no filming just that it is used to present an image. Of course the behaviour itself originates from Kate's actions.
Hang in there Chingada. May the break you so deserve happen soon.
As for Kate having undeserved opportunities, that has also been a very frustrating for me.
-She is not talented in any way
-She is not smart
-She is not personable
-She knows nothing of current events
-She has no clue what grace or civility is
-She has yet to accomplish anything of substance
-She obliterates bridges everywhere she goes
So..... what the hell is it?
I guess, it's not who you know,
but who you pay....
Midnight Madness said...
I'm sure Paul Petersen would disagree. He's built much of his life protecting kids in the entertainment business. Some had parents who painted themselves as martyrs and force their kids to support them. He will tell you that it CAN make a difference, and it DOES. When the parents themselves won't protect the kids, somebody has to stand up for them and do what's right by them. Thank goodness some people like him still exist, and the world is not left with those who stick their heads in the sand, just thinking about themselves, taking the attitude that in the grand scheme of things, who cares...
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Well, since I don't worship the ground that Paul Petersen walks on, I really couldn't care less if he disagrees with me. Revealing details about the children's behavior at school does not in any way, shape, or form protect them.
"The way I see it, it's really no different than a child coming to school with bruises inflicted on them by their parents. When you see bruises, you say something! These kids have emotional bruises, and everybody can see it. Not bringing it to light and talking about it is the same thing as turning your eyes away from a child standing there with black and blue marks."
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You don't bring a problem to light by gossiping about it on the Internet. If the Gosselin children came to school bruised, school officials would contact child protective services, not run to the Internet to spread the news.
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Seeing all the sheeple out today repeatedly and vociferously defending Queen Khate, even though they proclaim to care for these eight children, makes me wonder something - since their usual defense is to go on the offense against anyone who is critical of Khate, how are they going to react in about eight, ten, or twelve, or so years when one of the Gosselin children gives an interview (perhaps in connection with a book he/she has written)?
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I'm assuming that I'm one of the "sheeple" to which you refer. Please point to one place where I defended Kate. Good luck trying, because it hasn't happened. Clearly, children getting expelled/asked to leave kindergarten is a sign of a problem. That does not mean that anybody is entitled to further invade these children's privacy by getting the inside dirt on the children's behavior. It's quite simple really...if you are not so over-invested in these children's lives that you feel you have a right to detailed information about their school behavior.
Jon's attorney should give the judge video tapes of the past season of Kate Plus 8 so the judge can view Kate and the childrens' behavior. These tapes are evidence showing where the source of this awful behavior comes from and how it is encouraged and rewarded for filming purposes. This is better than any written depositions that could be presented to the judge and should be required viewing prior to any final decisions made by the judge.
Stop Already said...
You don't bring a problem to light by gossiping about it on the Internet. If the Gosselin children came to school bruised, school officials would contact child protective services, not run to the Internet to spread the news.
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So you admit there is a problem, but object to us "gossiping" about it.
No offence, but you are a tad literal minded. The bruises are not necessarily physical but emotional and/or psychological, but extremely damaging nonetheless.
Where I live, all suspected abuse must be reported, by whomever has witnessed it. If I lived in PA, you can bet I would be reporting abuse and neglect by Khate on behalf of those kids, and I cannot even fathom the mentality of someone who has time or inclination to defend the indefensible. Why are you not championing the children who are powerless rather than the supposed adult in their lives? Give a voice to those who have no voice and call to task those who exert power over them. It might even feel right and good to defend the kids rather than the waste of space who is their mother.
Stop Already said... "The way I see it, it's really no different than a child coming to school with bruises inflicted on them by their parents. When you see bruises, you say something! These kids have emotional bruises, and everybody can see it. Not bringing it to light and talking about it is the same thing as turning your eyes away from a child standing there with black and blue marks."
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You don't bring a problem to light by gossiping about it on the Internet. If the Gosselin children came to school bruised, school officials would contact child protective services, not run to the Internet to spread the news.
November 21, 2010 3:03 PM
Well, the way I look at it, you're here, too. You're here reading it. You're here commenting about it. You want to find out the scoop just like everybody else, or else you wouldn't be here reading what people are saying.
You want to know what is happening just like everybody else does, or you wouldn't be on a Gosselin blog.
Well, I just picked up our local Sunday News (it's been a long day...am just now getting around to it), and sure enough, there it is on the FRONT PAGE with a picture of Kate, Jon and the kids, detailing the whole sordid mess. I had expected the article to go under Smart's column, tucked away on the editorial page, but no, it's right there on the front for everyone to see.
I imagine things are going to be buzzing in the newspaper office tomorrow, both negative and positive.
Please point to one place where I defended Kate.
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Why waste the time? I don't know if anyone really cares whether or not you defended Kate. I think what's really at issue here is bad parenting and how that has affected the kids.
I don't think the sheeple will ever get it. The parents put these kids out there, and they are the ones who invaded the kids' privacy. Not the taboids, not the blogs. Kate said, on Larry King Live, that THEY are the ones who put the kids out there, and therefore it is OUR obusiness. Right out of the horse's mouth. Look up the transcript in LK archives. If she can consent to filming the feces being plucked from her son's rectum in a parking lot, then they are the ones who invaded their kids' privacy. It's on national television, but there seems to be an unspoken rule that this is never to be discussed because the kids' privacy need to be protected. Geez, Louise, WE didn't do this. Kate did. She gave up the kids' privacy a long, long time ago and continues to do so.
Nothing will stop her.
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...It's on national television, but there seems to be an unspoken rule that this is never to be discussed because the kids' privacy need to be protected...
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It would be OK with sheeple to talk about it all, if Kate was making money off of our discussion. But because Kate hasn't been cut a check yet for this issue, it is invading the children's privacy.
Only Queen Kate can humiliate her kids, and there had better be money, a TV spot, and some stilletos involved. THEN it is a blessed act of good mothering.
"Well, since I don't worship the ground that Paul Petersen walks on, I really couldn't care less if he disagrees with me. Revealing details about the children's behavior at school does not in any way, shape, or form protect them."
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Certainly it does. Problems are solved BECAUSE people are made aware that they exist. You don't sweep something under the rug, although there are some who would do just that. Pretend it doesn't exist. Why do you think that there is now a bill in the state legislature that would protect ALL kids in the entertainment industy, NOT just the Gosselins? Changes are made because people become aware that there are problems.
No good for the better has ever come of sticking the head in the sand and turning the other way. I don't know why this is so difficult for anyone to understand. Historically, changes for the better have always come about because society, first and foremost, recognized that there was a problem and acted on it. I seriously doubt that, without the barrage of e-mails, news stories and national attention that this "case" has generated, that PA DOL ever would have requested work permits for these kids, and therefore the state would have continued to ignore its antiquated laws. For some reason, sheeple are totally against any kind of new laws being written, and that has to be one of the biggest puzzles in this whole thing. Why would anyone object to protecting kids when the kids' own parents won't do it?
Paul Petersen isn't out to win a popularity contest, so I would imagine that he really doesn't care if someone worships the ground he walks on. He's a champion for protecting the rights of children in the entertainment industry. If there are those who thinks that's a bad thing, then they are never, ever going to "get it," no matter how much it's explained to them. It seems they echo Kate: "I don't get it. I just don't get it."
That, in itself, is incredibly sad.
So, Anon on this,
What's the scoop about the property being up for sale? Are they taking the dog with them?
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Well, since I don't worship the ground that Paul Petersen walks on, I really couldn't care less if he disagrees with me. Revealing details about the children's behavior at school does not in any way, shape, or form protect them.
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Well, since I don't worship the ground Kate Gosselin walks on, I could really care less how her sheeple try to spin the obvious.
You can blame the intrusion of her kid's privacy at school on no one but Katie-poo & TLC.
KATE is the reason why these children's private lives are being shown across the t.v., internet, magazines, and news-rags. She wanted the cameras to continue filming afterall. This is what you get.
Does it make what is happening to those children fair or right? Absolutely not.
But Kate sold her children's lives & souls to the devil for fame & fortune. Payback for doing this is a b*tch Karma-wise.
I feel horribly for the Gosselin 8, because they did not ask for any of this (including being filmed). Sadly, crap like leaking private information to the highest bidder is part of the package.
Kate should have thought of the repercussions of keeping her kids on t.v. long ago. She's so damn thick, that I'll bet she's going to insist on keeping her kids on t.v. even after all of this nonsense.
That's o.k., TLC can't keep Kate + 8 on their roster if the ratings continue to slide down on a banana peel...
P.S. THANK GOD FOR PAUL PETERSEN, and for anyone willing to take a stand against ignorant people who think that it's o.k. to continue using children for monetary gain.
If it's becoming less than convienant for Kate to continue exploiting her kids- GOOD! If her kids disappear from t.v, the public will forget about them, and they will live the lives they so deserve.
As for Kate, she can expose herself all she wants. Who cares.
Stop Already said: "Assuming you are telling the truth, I think it is reprehensible that you are further violating the children's privacy by revealing this information and it is reprehensible that this blog's administrator is choosing to post this information."
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NOTHING we blog here comes close to how reprehensible and privacy invading it was for the children's MOTHER to travel 5+ hours to NYC for NO OTHER REASON THAN TO TRASH the father of her children on national TV for 15 minutes. Then travel 5 hours back home. She had nothing special to promote. She had no reason for being there other than she wanted to do damage control from the pap video of the kids screaming in terror when being brought home. That was one of the most pitiful, desperate and low class displays I ever saw. IF she had her KIDS best interests at heart she would have never done it. But KATE is only concerned with KATE and KATE'S image. Instead of coming here and casting stones, why don't you cast a few towards Berks County, in the vicinity of Casa del Mine all Mine.
And right on cue, the new previews for next week show Kate talking about the bad behavior and blaming it on the divorce. From the little bit of preview I saw, she takes none of the blame. She said they need to learn how to handle their anger in a better way ( or something like that ). I can see her blaming Jon for all this bad behavior stuff, that he's not around, blah blah blah.
The sheeple will never understand that, if they came face to face with their idol, she would never give them the time of day. Wouldn't you just love to see their fuzzy little faces if they met her, and she looked at them like they were an insect, "a dangerous insect that must be squashed quickly" (Rose, Titanic, talking about what her mother thought about Jack)?
Why continue to sing praises and glory to Kate in the highest when she has absolutely no interest whatsoever associating with commoners and most likely would ask Steve for a wipe if she had to shake hands with them?
I'm speaking from personal experience. She's not nice, not the kind of person you'd ever want as a friend.
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Stop Already said: "Assuming you are telling the truth, I think it is reprehensible that you are further violating the children's privacy by revealing this information and it is reprehensible that this blog's administrator is choosing to post this information."
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NOTHING we blog here comes close to how reprehensible and privacy invading it was for the children's MOTHER to travel 5+ hours to NYC for NO OTHER REASON THAN TO TRASH the father of her children on national TV for 15 minutes.
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"We're not as reprehensible as she is." Wow, that's quite a motto to live by. Nice to see you have such high expectations for yourselves.
Pam said: "She said they need to learn how to handle their anger in a better way ( or something like that )."
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Well, then, why are they angry? Do normal Kindergarteners have rage and anger issues? Mine didn't, but then again, I didn't exploit them and force cameras in their faces for the purpose of supporting a lifestyle of the rich and famous.
Many kids are the product of a divorce, but I would venture to say that not too many of them are expelled from Kindergarten because of bullying and rage issues.
That's it, Kate, blame it on the divorce, a divorce YOU caused because you treated your husband like a "friggin' dog." Now you deal with the consequences of that.
See the new post. All this back and forth now seems kind of silly now that Kate herself is discussing the children's very private and personal emotional issues. Stop, you're mad at this blog, but not Kate? Apparently Kate thinks it's fine. I guess she settled that argument.
As someone said, the sheeple think it's fine to discuss it if you are Kate and making a paycheck, but not fine if you are anyone else.
Pam said... And right on cue, the new previews for next week show Kate talking about the bad behavior and blaming it on the divorce. From the little bit of preview I saw, she takes none of the blame. She said they need to learn how to handle their anger in a better way ( or something like that ).
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Of course it doesn't occur to her that SHE needs to learn how to better handle her own anger.
Administrator said...
See the new post. All this back and forth now seems kind of silly now that Kate herself is discussing the children's very private and personal emotional issues. Stop, you're mad at this blog, but not Kate? Apparently Kate thinks it's fine. I guess she settled that argument.
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You really shouldn't assume. Where have I ever stated that I think it's okay for Kate to discuss her children's emotional issues? Oh wait...I didn't, because I don't.
Hey guys if you don't mind move the discussion of the preview to the new post about it just so we can have it all in one place. I know there will probably be a lot to say about this. I know I had a lot more than usual to say, I kind of went off on a rant in the post itself which I don't usually do!
I will say it in that post and here, Kate is not only blaming Jon (i.e. the divorce....JON) but effectively blaming the children--THEY have anger issues. Not, I may have caused their anger issues. Like it came from THEM, not outside forces like herself.
I have no idea, but your anger is very misguided. Direct it at the source not the output.
Pam said...
And right on cue, the new previews for next week show Kate talking about the bad behavior and blaming it on the divorce. From the little bit of preview I saw, she takes none of the blame. She said they need to learn how to handle their anger in a better way ( or something like that ). I can see her blaming Jon for all this bad behavior stuff, that he's not around, blah blah blah.
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Perfect! The ratings will no doubt skyrocket between the lovers and haters. Who isn't going to want to watch Kate talking about her kids bad behavior?
I can't wait to see the excuses people will have to watching.
1-I lost my remote and couldn't change the channel.
2-My dog accidentally stepped on the remote and switched it to TLC.
3-I watch switching through the programs and my thumb became paralyzed when I got to TLC.
Kate rises again from the ashes!
This next episode should be a real ratings grabber.
Ever feel like you're being played?
"We're not as reprehensible as she is."
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If this is a direct quote (and it's in quotation marks), I didn't see anything like this in wayward's post. Where is it? Far upthread, or in the post you just quoted? Perhaps it isn't a direct quote and was taken out of context for the purpose of further arguments, or to just pick a fight.
"Wow, that's quite a motto to live by. Nice to see you have such high expectations for yourselves."
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Admin., isn't this a violation of rule #2 -- "Please watch the rudeness, the smart-aleck comments, holier than thou,"
I can see why you added this to your rules: "When you're rude because you can hide behind your computer screen, it's just pathetic. I am tired of telling adults not to be little snots."
I think many posters are tired of it, too.
I don't think Kate is smart enough to play us. I think there is a lot of dysfunction in the house and instead of dealing with it rationally and appropriately, she looks for ways to make money off it. She has been doing this since before her twins were born. In a way, she's kind of a genius with milking her own personal situations for a buck. Of course the eight minors involved be damned. Marriage be damned. Friendships be damned. Family be damned. All for $$$$$$$$$$$$. She will stop at nothing. She would exploit death, disease, destruction as long as it was bringing in the dough.
She's not playing us, she simply saw another horrible incident in these poor children's lives she could make money off, pure and simple.
Age of Aquarius yes I am VERY sick of the rudeness the snippy snappy back and forth. I've ended this particular conversation with the delete button. Move on to the above thread.
Kate isn't playing us, TLC is.
Does anyone else think it is funny - haha- ironic- that another exreme-exercising, over-bleached blonde is starring in the Target two day sale commercials? Every time I see one of those commercials, I can just see Kate spewing that she did not score that gig.
Re: exreme-exercising, over-bleached blonde is starring in the Target two day sale commercials?
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Yes. Saw it a couple of times before I realized the blond in the high heels and (red cat suit?) could have been modeled after Katie Irene.
So INF has photos up today of Kate in the yard this afternoon while the 2 kids are playing and then tonight she's on ET and a poster on INF saw her in the audience on Skating with the Stars. She must have a supersonic broom!
And on ET they showed a promo for tomorrows show where Kate gives the scoop on what really happened with the 2 kids. Thought she was going to keep it private and not discuss it. Way to sell out your kids Kate.
I agree that Kate is not smart enough to play us....and to boot, she is unable to hide her narcissistic personality for very long. A narcissist is openly rude, vindictive and abusive, and could really care less about hiding it.
I also agree with Kate the Phoenix!....that TLC is the one playing us.
But even though it is despicable, TLC ONLY answers to and cares about their stockholders....as most huge corporations also do.
They don't CARE about their employees...but only care about how much money they (the employees) can bring in.
But the thing is, they really are acting no differently than any other TV station would. This particular case gets more attention due to being in the headlines frequently, but they are acting no different than any other channel with a reality show would. And expecting them to is unrealistic, really. It's despicable but it's normal in that world. Worrying about the children, in the corporate world...is 100% the responsibility of the parents.
Paul Petersen created a charity and spends a great deal of his own time working on behalf of children in the entertainment industry.
Whereas regarding Kate....except for donating a motorbike that she did not like or want...what has Kate freely given of her own time or donated to on the behalf of anyone else? Especially since so many donated to her and the children? I challenge the sheeple to find one example other than that motorbike she didn't want and did it only because it was in the script of a show for which she was being paid.. She doesn't even donate the children's used clothing to charity/children who live in poverty....she sells them in consignment stores. Find me just one example that is documented in some way.of her donating or volunteering I feel confident, very confident, that she never has.
And that doesn't include anything that happened during the filming of Twist of Kate. Since we've not seen it, we have no idea how she treated others or what she specifically did on behalf of others. Plus...she was being paid to do it and it was only for the show.
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Well, since I don't worship the ground that Paul Petersen walks on, I really couldn't care less if he disagrees with me. Revealing details about the children's behavior at school does not in any way, shape, or form protect them.
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Well, since I don't worship the ground Kate Gosselin walks on, I could really care less how her sheeple try to spin the obvious.
You can blame the intrusion of her kid's privacy at school on no one but Katie-poo & TLC.
KATE is the reason why these children's private lives are being shown across the t.v., internet, magazines, and news-rags. She wanted the cameras to continue filming afterall. This is what you get.
Does it make what is happening to those children fair or right? Absolutely not.
But Kate sold her children's lives & souls to the devil for fame & fortune. Payback for doing this is a b*tch Karma-wise.
I feel horribly for the Gosselin 8, because they did not ask for any of this (including being filmed). Sadly, crap like leaking private information to the highest bidder is part of the package.
Kate should have thought of the repercussions of keeping her kids on t.v. long ago. She's so damn thick, that I'll bet she's going to insist on keeping her kids on t.v. even after all of this nonsense.
That's o.k., TLC can't keep Kate + 8 on their roster if the ratings continue to slide down on a banana peel...
P.S. THANK GOD FOR PAUL PETERSEN, and for anyone willing to take a stand against ignorant people who think that it's o.k. to continue using children for monetary gain.
If it's becoming less than convienant for Kate to continue exploiting her kids- GOOD! If her kids disappear from t.v, the public will forget about them, and they will live the lives they so deserve.
As for Kate, she can expose herself all she wants. Who cares.
Does anyone else think it is funny - haha- ironic- that another exreme-exercising, over-bleached blonde is starring in the Target two day sale commercials? Every time I see one of those commercials, I can just see Kate spewing that she did not score that gig.
Please point to one place where I defended Kate.
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Why waste the time? I don't know if anyone really cares whether or not you defended Kate. I think what's really at issue here is bad parenting and how that has affected the kids.
I don't think the sheeple will ever get it. The parents put these kids out there, and they are the ones who invaded the kids' privacy. Not the taboids, not the blogs. Kate said, on Larry King Live, that THEY are the ones who put the kids out there, and therefore it is OUR obusiness. Right out of the horse's mouth. Look up the transcript in LK archives. If she can consent to filming the feces being plucked from her son's rectum in a parking lot, then they are the ones who invaded their kids' privacy. It's on national television, but there seems to be an unspoken rule that this is never to be discussed because the kids' privacy need to be protected. Geez, Louise, WE didn't do this. Kate did. She gave up the kids' privacy a long, long time ago and continues to do so.
Nothing will stop her.
Pam said...
And right on cue, the new previews for next week show Kate talking about the bad behavior and blaming it on the divorce. From the little bit of preview I saw, she takes none of the blame. She said they need to learn how to handle their anger in a better way ( or something like that ). I can see her blaming Jon for all this bad behavior stuff, that he's not around, blah blah blah.
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Perfect! The ratings will no doubt skyrocket between the lovers and haters. Who isn't going to want to watch Kate talking about her kids bad behavior?
I can't wait to see the excuses people will have to watching.
1-I lost my remote and couldn't change the channel.
2-My dog accidentally stepped on the remote and switched it to TLC.
3-I watch switching through the programs and my thumb became paralyzed when I got to TLC.
Administrator said...
See the new post. All this back and forth now seems kind of silly now that Kate herself is discussing the children's very private and personal emotional issues. Stop, you're mad at this blog, but not Kate? Apparently Kate thinks it's fine. I guess she settled that argument.
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You really shouldn't assume. Where have I ever stated that I think it's okay for Kate to discuss her children's emotional issues? Oh wait...I didn't, because I don't.
Hang in there Chingada. May the break you so deserve happen soon.
As for Kate having undeserved opportunities, that has also been a very frustrating for me.
-She is not talented in any way
-She is not smart
-She is not personable
-She knows nothing of current events
-She has no clue what grace or civility is
-She has yet to accomplish anything of substance
-She obliterates bridges everywhere she goes
So..... what the hell is it?
I guess, it's not who you know,
but who you pay....
Pam said: "She said they need to learn how to handle their anger in a better way ( or something like that )."
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Well, then, why are they angry? Do normal Kindergarteners have rage and anger issues? Mine didn't, but then again, I didn't exploit them and force cameras in their faces for the purpose of supporting a lifestyle of the rich and famous.
Many kids are the product of a divorce, but I would venture to say that not too many of them are expelled from Kindergarten because of bullying and rage issues.
That's it, Kate, blame it on the divorce, a divorce YOU caused because you treated your husband like a "friggin' dog." Now you deal with the consequences of that.
ET backs Kate for some mysterious reason. Maybe it won't be for long:
"Why 'Skating With the Stars' is doomed "
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40238060/ns/today-entertainment/
Stop Already said: "Assuming you are telling the truth, I think it is reprehensible that you are further violating the children's privacy by revealing this information and it is reprehensible that this blog's administrator is choosing to post this information."
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NOTHING we blog here comes close to how reprehensible and privacy invading it was for the children's MOTHER to travel 5+ hours to NYC for NO OTHER REASON THAN TO TRASH the father of her children on national TV for 15 minutes. Then travel 5 hours back home. She had nothing special to promote. She had no reason for being there other than she wanted to do damage control from the pap video of the kids screaming in terror when being brought home. That was one of the most pitiful, desperate and low class displays I ever saw. IF she had her KIDS best interests at heart she would have never done it. But KATE is only concerned with KATE and KATE'S image. Instead of coming here and casting stones, why don't you cast a few towards Berks County, in the vicinity of Casa del Mine all Mine.
Seeing all the sheeple out today repeatedly and vociferously defending Queen Khate, even though they proclaim to care for these eight children, makes me wonder something - since their usual defense is to go on the offense against anyone who is critical of Khate, how are they going to react in about eight, ten, or twelve, or so years when one of the Gosselin children gives an interview (perhaps in connection with a book he/she has written)?
Are these "fans" who've claimed to love these children then going to turn and attack them when they come of age and speak out against their mother and their childhood that was involuntarily documented on camera? When the personal accounts don't match up with their idyllic version of how fabulous it is/was to be a Gosselin kid, will these “fans” hurl vitriolic insults at some "ungrateful" young adult who has the audacity not to "appreciate" all the wonderful "opportunities" and "memories" that their mother "worked" so hard to give them?
Or will these so called "fans" be decent enough to respect the then grown child(ren) and sympathetically listen to their own personal account of their experiences growing up? When they finally hear it straight from the mouths of these kids when they've grown up, will the "fans" then finally understand that Khate is not the mother that they think she is?
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Awwwww...
It looked prettier before it went through-
oh well, you get my message ;o)
I suspect the people who support Kate are the same type of people in their own lives when they see little Johnny with bruises they either think, it's none of our business, he just fell off the swings, or it's probably not that bad.
It never gets reported because of people like that and Johnny continues to live in a household of abuse.
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I don't want to live in a country where people who speak up because they are concerned about a child's emotional and physical well being get the tables turned on them and are dragged through the mud themselves. If there is nothing wrong with these children then why does it make people so angry when other people speak up?
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It's an interesting phenomenon, Anonymous.
They can may get angry, bitter, stomp their feet waah, waah, waah, blah, blah, blah, boo, hoo- but it's still not going to stop the steamroller of truthseekers out there who are making sure that Kate & TLC are exposed for their deception & greed, and the destruction of the Gosselin family for the almighty dollar.
If the sheeple, or TLC (I'm sure they have people trolling the internet bullying people) don't like it- they can SHOVE IT. Just like they shoved their idiotic "star" down our throats. They can go peddle their crazy carnival to the circus.
TLC/Discovery may be powerful- but they can't force people to watch their sh*t t.v. shows.
We are more powerful than they think.
FREE THE GOSSELIN 8 + DOGGIE-
BOYCOTT KATE + 8
TLC, CANCEL THE DAMN SHOW ALREADY-
And while you're at it, own up to the fact that
your "Twisted Kate" show is a failed plan- hosted by a sh*tty, spoiled rotten, empty headed hostess.
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Stop Already said... Kaye said...
Sorry Stop Already. I totally disagree. If this anonymous person is telling the truth, we need to hear it because of course Kate will spin all of this to appear that the kids were pulled out of school by HER and not expelled, therefore making her out to be a martyr or something.
Face it. These kids lives are public. I don't think anybody with a brain blames the kids for any of this. If their bad behavior is exposed, I never for one second blame the kids. I blame the parents for how they've raised them and for how they've old their privacy for fame and fortune.
If the kids' bad behavior isn't exposed by people who know the truth, then Kate will continue her talk show rounds talking about how wonderful they are and because they are wonderful and sweet and loving, it must be because she's such an outstanding mother.
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Well, at least you admit that you want the children's privacy invaded because their privacy is less important than outing their mother as a bad parent.
In the grand scheme of things, who cares how Kate spins it? What difference does it make if she paints herself as a martyr? Some people will buy into it, some won't and life will go on.
November 21, 2010 10:31 AM
Jon and Kate invaded the children's privacy the day they sold them to TLC.
If pressure isn't put on Kate and her piss poor parenting, then she will CONTINUE to exploit these kids. So, yeah, I care how Kate spins it because it always seems to land her more "gigs". She gets rewarded for telling lies. And as long as the offers keep rolling in because of her parenting untruths, the less chance the kids have of ever getting the cameras out of their faces.
I don't think this bullying/ expulsion thing reflects on the kids at all, so I don't see how their privacy is invaded. I see that KATE's privacy has been invaded, and it should be!
The way I see it, it's really no different than a child coming to school with bruises inflicted on them by their parents. When you see bruises, you say something! These kids have emotional bruises, and everybody can see it. Not bringing it to light and talking about it is the same thing as turning your eyes away from a child standing there with black and blue marks.
Jon and Kate are the two who sold the kids' privacy. Not the folks talking about it on blogs. If J & K never sold the kids to TLC, we wouldn't even know who they are, nor give a squat.
You should be wagging your finger at Jon and Kate. Not the people who watched the show and are now concerend about the kids well being. If they don't want us knowing their private matters, then they had no business putting them on a reality show for years and years, writing books about them, and selling DVD's for you to watch their very personl moments at your convenience.
Their PARENTS invaded their privacy. Not us.
Nobody Likes a Narcissist said... Twist of Kate follows the single reality TV mom, 35, as she visits and helps families facing obstacles.
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Could there be a more bizzarre concept for a show than taking a woman who has alienated her entire family, destroyed her marriage (yes, with Jon's help - it takes two), and has eight children facing emotional and behavioral challenges and have her "help families facing obstacles"?
Yep, have Kate take time away from her own children to "help families facing obstacles" because her own family is doing so well. Might want to put the flames out at home before moving to the fire next door.
Of course as we've all seen over the years, the core of Kate's personality is giving back to others in need. YEAH, RIGHT! The only way she's helping others in need is because TLC will give her a TV show and pay her $250,000 per episode to do so. What a massive joke. I don't believe it will ever see the light of day.
What's that line? "You can't handle the truth!"
They've gone back to just trying to shut us up claiming it's harming the kids, because they have nothing to say when we say that Kate is a horrible parent and the kids are having huge issues.
Lots of people throughout history have tried to "shut people up."
Classic blaming the messenger. This blog was silent about this issue until the story was so pervasive there was nothing to be done to stop it.
I'm beginning to think that this bullying has absolutely nothing to do with the show and everything to do with the children simply parroting a parent's bullying behavior. Show or not they're still going to be parented by someone who is a bully, who treats people with disrespect even those she loves, who hits her own children and loved ones. Love taps and actual hitting as punishment. It's dysfunction that no show is going to help or hurt.
anon on this said...
The children are out of school, and the decision was NOT of the parents' choosing.
When not in Kate's presence, the children mimic her worst behaviors. They mimic her languange, tone of voice, hitting and screeching, hand and finger gestures, 'bugged out eyes', and verbal threats.
There is information that was given to Jon and Kate regarding the effect this is having on other classmates.
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Assuming you are telling the truth, I think it is reprehensible that you are further violating the children's privacy by revealing this information and it is reprehensible that this blog's administrator is choosing to post this information.
And TLC keeps spinning:
http://www.usmagazine.com/moviestvmusic/news/kate-gosselins-show-is-not-canceled-20102011
Kate Gosselin's Show Is Not Canceled
Sunday – November 21, 2010 – 10:25am
Kate Gosselin fans everywhere can breathe a sigh of relief.
Her new TLC show, Twist of Kate, is not canceled, a rep confirms to UsMagazine.com.
PHOTOS: How Kate's look -- and hair! -- have changed over the years
Twist of Kate follows the single reality TV mom, 35, as she visits and helps families facing obstacles.
PHOTOS: Kate Gosselin's meanest faces!
As it turns out, the flurry of rumors about the show getting the axe due to poor ratings are "100 percent not true," the rep tells Us.
VIDEO: What Kate did while her kids went out for Halloween
Gosselin also stars in TLC's Kate Plus 8, which follows her family life without ex-husband Jon Gosselin.
I think we need to step back and take a moment to remember that the SCHOOL isn't the problem. Public or Private? Not an issue for why the Gosselin kids are how they are today, emotionally and developmentally. The whole G8 could be being schooled in a one-room Amish school house, or by a pack of wolves for that matter. The result would be the same. Because the problem isn't their school; it's THEIR HOME LIFE, and the fact that they've been forced to live their childhoods out in front of the national media. This whole public vs. private school debate is pretty ridiculous when applied to the Gosselin kids. Their problems don't stem from bad teachers or an inadequate school system. These kids had their "issues" well before they enrolled in their private school. Their problems have nothing to do with what type of school they're in; rather, they stem from bad, neglectful parenting. Period. Where the F*** is the guardian ad litem, for god's sake?????
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I agree with you. These children were never raised, they were just bred. Kate (and Jon as well) never took the time to teach these children anything. I thought the idea of having children was to love them, teach them and guide them through their childhood so when they were adults they could use those skills from their parents.
These kids have never had that. A simple lesson in table manners (napkin in lap,elbows off the table, eat with your mouth closed)would have served these children well. And how about "you don't hit others and fight. You don't take toys away from your sibling and bash them over the head with it once you've yanked it away!" But no, in Kate's case, she was more interested in camera angles and whining about being exhausted.
Is it any wonder these kids have no social boundries now that they are in school interacting with other children? So, yes, it wouldn't matter if they were in private or public school, they would probably act the same way because they were never taught good behavior. This kind of behavior (fighting and hitting) is the norm for them.
RE: wake up little narcissus said...
A narcissist will rarely, if ever admit defeat. Even if all of Kate's kids turn into complete failures in life, Kate will blame everyone around her. She will never question her own decisions.
I could be totally wrong here, but didn't I read that TLC had confirmed that the expulsions were not going to be shown in the Halloween episode? I'm not 100% sure if they used the word "expulsions" themselves but when asked if the "expulsions" would be shown on the Halloween episode, my recollection is that they replied that no, they would not be shown....and did not refute the use of the word "expelled".
But let's say it was a mandatory removal...just like "if you don't resign, we are firing you". That's just parsing terminology. Just saying the same thing in a nicer way...so that technically they can deny a specific word...even though for all intents and purposes, it's the same thing. The point is....to have a mother more or less forced to remove children that young from a private school reflects very badly on the custodial parent...no matter how you spin it.
And in terms of common sense, if I had removed some of my children from their school for perfectly benign reason(s)...and people were saying they'd been expelled for some seriously bad behavior....I would vociferously put a stop to that...not quietly say I wanted to keep it private...even though in general, I would keep everything about MY children private....but refute anything THAT negative about them...and be very open about it.
And that's ME. And I'm certainly not a celebrity. If this were untrue, I feel sure that both Kate and TLC would be setting the story straight....and very publicly and clearly. Why is this suddenly "private" to Kate about her children, when nothing else has ever been? Even being on their potties and being smacked in public and in front of cameras? But comments are being made that if true, puts 2 of the children in a very negative light, not to mention, publicly questioning Kate's mothering skills, and suddenly, for the first time, Kate wants this kept private? Cut me a break. I wasn't born yesterday.
And if she put them in an exclusive private school for THEIR sakes? Let her show us the huge college funds she's put aside with all the money she/they so they can go to Harvard, Law school and Medical school. And sure, might she actually have these? Yes....but again, common sense tells me that's a "no". They do apparently have some sort of college accounts set up by the state where people could donate to...but I highly doubt they contain what's needed to go to the "exclusive private school" of colleges, universities and graduate schools.
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You can't possibly be serious. Why does the anti-Kate contingent feel compelled to weave Kate into story after story that has nothing to do with her. Your level of obsession is frightening. Do you realize that the universe doesn't revolve around Kate Gosselin?
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You can't possibly think that WASN'T a joke. Lighten up.
The universe does not revolved around Kate Gosselin, thank God. She is a topic here on this blog though, as it is a, you know, a Gosselin blog.
I don't understand why these people read here. They must like something about it as they keep coming back posting time-wasting comments like that.
Respectfully, everybody is missing the point.
IMO.
Whether her blouse shows too much boobage or her shoes are in poor taste, or whether she is unskilled in how to not flip a mic like a flyswatter between her face and the interviewee, or what the tax implications of her freebies are is quite honestly irrelevant and who gives a shite.
I wish her well in her lifetime endeavors.
The more important point of concern is that unfortunately Katie is a NM. Whether her natural inclinations speak of nature or nurture, she is what she is, a classic example of a NPD.
What is heartbreaking is that the TLC starch collared pin striped navy blue suit executives, who see dollar signs in their cheerios before they grab their briefcase, and who are not fools, are as well aware of her illness as their audience, but instead they prefer to line their pockets with gold while plundering the souls of eight innocents for profit.
Whether one is classified as a “sheeple” or a “hater”, I believe the Gosselin children have a place in all our hearts
The fans claim that the words critical of their mother will forever live in infamy on the internet harmful to the eight as they grow up. As a daughter who has already walked in their shoes as a casualty of a mother’s confusion handicapped by NPD I disagree. I believe that once the Gosselins start googling their name on the internet that the words spoken on the other side of their mother’s favor will give the children the validation that they weren’t wrong, that the light of their mother’s gaslight CAN be justifiably snuffed without worry, that they no longer need to live in fear that the calm before the storm of their mother’s narcissistic rage will make their bowels tremble with anxiety, and that the triangulation manufactured by Kate between the eight is not beyond reconciliation amongst all the siblings centering from an equal platform of self worth….with the ultimate choice of forgiveness for their Mother’s transgressions being theirs alone.
Kate Gosselin blogs?
Pro or Con, I read both often…. but opine rarely.
THIS time I felt a need to speak.
Criticize/agree, I thank you for listening nonetheless.
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This is just yet another example of Kate thinking that the rich and famous send their kids to prep schools. Actually, some rich and famous actually just want their children to feel normal. And some rich and famous understand that just because you are forking over a lot of money doesn't mean it's "the best."
Kate thinks she is doing the best for them but all this special treatment could just end up making them more spoiled and entitled. A public school would keep them safe without making them feel singled out or special.
I know a celeb who sent her son first to Crespi Carmelite, then to Viewpoint....he wasn't making any friends there, he was very unhappy. Finally for his senior year she said fine you can go to Malibu High School....he had an absolute blast, made a ton of friends, and was a sports star.
Modonna is sending Lourdes to a public high school this year. Many others do, Pam Anderson.
Dylan and Brandon were on baseball teams with all their friends from public schools and that's where they want to be, with their friends.
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No, it's an example of you thinking you know what Kate thinks. In reality, you have no idea why she chooses to send her children to private school. It's a parental choice, pure and simple and not all parents will make the same choice. Just because some celebrities send their children to public school does not make that the right choice for every famous child any more than the fact that many send their children to private school means that private school is the better option. How about we let the parents decide what is best for their children? There's a whild thought.
As for "wanting to be with their friends," if a child has attended private school their entire life, they most likely will have friends there. Why you would specifically associate public school with friends is beyond me.
Administrator said...
Do you suppose it's a Kate fan jealous that America refused to carry Kate as far as they have Bristol?
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You can't possibly be serious. Why does the anti-Kate contingent feel compelled to weave Kate into story after story that has nothing to do with her. Your level of obsession is frightening. Do you realize that the universe doesn't revolve around Kate Gosselin?
What exactly does it take for a narcissist to admit defeat? How many people telling Kate that she should make the kids her priority before she does it? Jon, Jodi, kevin, the grandparents, beth, the full time nurse who cared for them as infants, extended family and friends... They have all pointed to Kate as the problem. She tried to lie, cajole, bully her way out but eventually had to cut them out of her kids' life to continue with her delusional goal of fame and stardom. When does a narcissist finally accept what is so obvious if it's not in line with her desires? Is it only when there is no other choice? Shit, Kate. Wake up out of your drunken stupor and smell the coffee. You are the problem. You.
Not to sound critical, but it is the "subjunctive tense" as opposed to the "subjective mode."
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Typo. Sorry. Subjunctive. Long day! Three lashes with a wet noodle! But it IS "mode." TENSE is something different, and getting into past, present mode is nothing that can be done after midnight!
Nevertheless:
"Subjunctive Mode
Are you old enough to remember the ad jingle, “I wish I were an Oscar Mayer wiener…”? Did you ever wonder about I were? This is an example of the Subjunctive Mode, which refers to the expression of a hypothetical, wishful, or imaginary thought. Sentences using wish and if usually indicate Subjunctive Mode and require using were as the to be verb form.
Examples:
If I were rich, I’d sail around the world.
He wishes he were in a position to give his employees raises.
When using Subjunctive Mode with verbs besides were, use the past tense or past perfect tense."
Now, IF I WERE smart, I'd hit the sack! ;-)
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My personal opinion? I believe that the behavior that got them expelled was mainly due to modeling/copying Kate's behavior....at least 75-80% of it. IMO.
Sure, school could factor in, as could the filming, the divorce and the absent/abusive mother....but what has been described as the cause of the expulsion (taunting, bullying, hitting, etc.) SO closely resembles Kate's behavior that I just have to believe that this is the main cause.
Administrator~
I think you said the magic words....how can Twist of Kate be "canceled" if it was never on. TLC is simply parsing terminology when they denied that it was canceled.....and it's probably dead in the water and most likely will never be shown...but...TECHNICALLY it wasn't canceled...because it was never on. Basically like the "I never had sex with that woman" parsing of terminology.
Can you just imagine the hell Kate put the administrators and teachers through when they finally said they were expelling the two children? How dare they!? She's arrogant and rude to even people who are friendly to her...and even fans....I cannot imagine what she's like to people who make her angry. She put Jon through hell and still is.
It must have been nightmarish.
No public school is not for everyone nor is private school not for everyone. Clearly whatever is happening now isn't working for Alexis and Collin, at minimum. It might be time to explore other options.
I happen to think this school is probably tailor made for a bright child like Mady and she would thrive. The point is that just because it's a prep school doesn't mean it's going to work for every child, and that public schools with the commoners doesn't mean you're slumming it.
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