I, for one, wish it wasn't reported at all. These parents put their kids out there and now their every movement, experience, body language, facial expression, etc., etc., etc., is analyzed and speculated on by all sides to the nth degree. It's just not fair to them - they didn't ask for any of it. For example, I just read the kids look like ragamuffins at the end of the day - because their mother doesn't take care of them - and I think, 'That's just how we used to look at the end of the day, after 3 recesses and our hair had fallen out of our braids or ponytails and the static electricity did a number on it as we pulled on our coats.' They're little kids; they shouldn't be photographed and picked over because people hate their parents. I listened to that Nina Frye thing today and I really fear for their those kids and their futures. However, and I know it's ironic for me to say this given I don't like seeing stories about the kids, I do find it funny that the sheeple are giving Ellen credit for leaking this story. What these people think that girl has to gain by leaking stories is beyond me. She's obviously not getting rich if she's doing it. Kate does a pretty good job of making herself look very bad, Jon taking the kids skating has nothing to do with Kate, but I guess it's all deflection. And the story goes on.......and on and on and on and on. It's so sad.
Now the sheeple will say Ellen leaked the info to make Jon look good.... I didn't have to call the psychic hotline for this because the sheeple are so predicta-baaaaah.
Gather.come is not the "normal" venue to leak Gosselin stories. I think the repeat offenders go to Radar and INF, that's where all these stories come from. Why would someone they believe is a so-called regular leaker all of a sudden go to a brand new completely different celeb site?
I don't know who leaked it, but why couldn't it have been one of the many other adults who were surely at the roller rink? I assume most of the kids there actually had a parent with them or at least dropping them off. These kids are exposed to all kinds of adults with all kinds of motivations.
There is absolutely no proof WHO leaked this. They don't want us to accuse Kate of anything without hard evidence, yet have absolutely zero proof who leaked this? The double standard is outrageous.
The sad truth is that probably for many years to come, the children won't be able to trust anyone who comes around them, be it another parent, a teacher, a friend, an employee, a girlfriend, a boyfriend, random people who happen to see them. All these people can so easily run to the press.
I really don't know how these kids deal with the emotional stress of going out in public knowing it could easily be leaked by ANYONE. Their parents did this to them, pure and simple. Their lives have been permanently altered from the norm.
I have mixed feelings about this report. I think it is rather sad that I am happy that these children are doing something so perfectly normal with their devoted father.
Logic, that's funny! The sheeple just keep on baaa-ing the same old thing over and over. It seems they could find a new person to blame for a change. The problem with the sheeple is that no one is perfect, not one single person. But they see her as perfect. The head sheeple actually called Kate 'beloved' on her site today. I am serious. 'My beloved Kate' were her words. It's really gone beyond nauseating to sick.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Jon actually has them on a Thursday? I thought those were Kate's days and by damn if she will let Jon see them on her days.
Mimi, Jon's been trying for awhile to get a better custody arrangement. Didn't we hear that he has now also won the right of first refusal? When Kate leaves town and wants to dump the kids on the nanny, she has to offer them to Jon first.
Maybe he's been given another day now, or maybe he exercised his first refusal rights if Kate took off on them again.
And actually it would be nice to think that maybe Jon said hey I know it's not my day but the kids have that birthday party today it sounds fun do you mind if I take them? And Kate said sure no problem.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Jon actually has them on a Thursday? I thought those were Kate's days and by damn if she will let Jon see them on her days.
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The party wasn't on a Thursday. It was last weekend. Kids don't have birthday parties on school days.
Admin, you're right. Why can't it be any passing adult or parent who saw them and not a paid "leak."
Logic, LOL - that was funny
Mimi to 3 - "My Beloved Kate"... OKay...I'm not even going to ask who wrote that because I think I have an inkling. That is bordeline certifiable and I feel for the kids if she has any.
Hi Roxanne. I saw that too. They're all sure E! will be full of lies and they're e-mailing E! to complain. Someone should post over there that Jon and Kate were both invited to participate in the show but declined. I'm too chicken to do it! Imagine Kate passing up a chance to "set the record straight" lol. She wouldn't know what to say without a TLC earpiece. *********************** Hi Laura! Really? they are e-mailing E! to complain? Complain about what for God's sake? Yeah, I'm too chicken to go on that blog and mention it too, I mean, there will be IP tracing threats and all sort of stuff(although I live in Romania so I don't see what they could do to me from across the ocean lol)
Also,Admin it never occurred to me that the kids may already be aware of all the press...but now that you mention it,it's just so sad.
Boy is this whole situation nuts. "leaked" story about "roller skating at a birthday party". I can't get over how bizarre this has become, that normal childhood activities are being classified as leaked and that they are newsworthy.
I've also had a kids' birthday party mid-week and my kids have attended parties not held on a weekend. But maybe LancNative knows for sure that this party wasn't held yesterday. BUT does anyone for a minute think Kate would have actually gone to said party and help chaperone/skate/help out????? PLEASE! Even if she uses the excuse that she can't skate, she could stand on the ice and just participate, help the kids put on their skates, helmets etc... like A LOT of parents would, especially since you are bringing 6 of your kids to this party.
Yay they did something fun with their dad & Ellen & had fun & it was normal & looked happy & there was no filming & they all got to hang with friends. Boo that it was reported. Can't these kids ever get out of the spotlight ever?? I put no pass to Kate (or Jon) for signing them up for this many years ago. At least so far, there are no photos. I guess we'll see though. If there are, Jon & Ellen will be to blame. BS. They wouldn't do that to them. Jon is NOT the one leaking the stories, I know it. He wants normalcy for those kids. Kate is the evil one here. She just keeps plugging along with her filming & exposing & lies.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Jon actually has them on a Thursday? I thought those were Kate's days and by damn if she will let Jon see them on her days.
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Where was it reported that the party was held on a Thursday? It was posted yesterday (Thursday) but Hollybaby says it was last weekend:
"Since Kate Gosselin and the children got back from Australia, Jon, 33, and his girlfriend have cared for the group of eight for two weekends in a row, and last weekend, the proud daddy was even spotted taking them to a roller skating rink!"
Logic, that's funny! The sheeple just keep on baaa-ing the same old thing over and over. It seems they could find a new person to blame for a change. The problem with the sheeple is that no one is perfect, not one single person. But they see her as perfect. The head sheeple actually called Kate 'beloved' on her site today. I am serious. 'My beloved Kate' were her words. It's really gone beyond nauseating to sick.
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Apparently, it's too difficult to admit that Kate might be the problem. It's easier to deflect all negative attention away from their "beloved" Kate, and concentrate on smearing someone else- like Ellen.
Well, I imagine that it is a tough job loving someone as damaged as their beloved Kate- but I guess someone has to do it. Thank God she has her sheeple to back her up. But I think that it's going to get to the point when EVEN the most creative sheeple will not be able to come up with something positive to say about their "beloved" Kate.
Ummmmm, Kate has teeth... Kate has hair... Kate walks on two feet... Kate chews her food...
How many freaking pictures can we see of her picking the kids up from school, going to Target, tanning herself ect....ENOUGH already!! When will people get tired of this repetitive nonsense?? Get rid of this deviant.
Willow and Jaden Smith are “getting pimped and exploited”, according to NAACP Image Award nominee (2011) and Waiting To Exhale author, Terry McMillan.
After hearing that Willow is simultaneously working on an album and remake of the musical Annie with her dad, Will Smith and Jay-Z, McMillan had this to tweet:
"The Smith children already act like child stars. There's an arrogance in their demeanor and behavior. I find it incredibly sad." "It feels like the Smith children are being pimped and exploited. Or, they're already hungry for fame. What about 4th grade?" "A lot of A-list movie stars shielded their children from the Hollywood-world until they were old enough to decide. Look at those who didn't." "Look at Lindsay. Phoenix. To name but a few. They miss out on childhood. It's more important than fame."
Think that Willow and Jaden are Lucky to have the opportunity to do what they love? Terry calls “Total B.S.”!
She says:
"These kids don't already know what they "love". Total bullshit. They're not prodigies. They think Hollywood is real." "Why don't they do a remake of The Little Rascals and call it a day? Or, come up with an original film with some ethnic pride. Come on." "Okay. I've said enough about the Smith children. I'm not debating about them. It's just my opinion. People can justify anything, though." "I raised my son. I'm not wasting another minute worrying about how Will & Jada are raising their kids."
I never go the haters blogs any longer, because there is so much bzzzz bzzzz about other blogs. It isn't even about Kate anymore, it is about blogs and the admin of those blogs. (Our "beloved" Admin, in particular) LOL I think they pile it on, because they know some "enemies" read their blog. They say, "Kate isn't perfect, that is why I like her". Yet, there isn't one incident that she handled wrong, or did something wrong. So what ARE her faults? LOL
About 6 months ago, one of the times that Kate parked in the fire lane, one supporter actually posted "She probably has a permit to park in the fire lane". WHAT?! Because she is so famous and all she would be allowed to block fire equipment? LOL
I used to read the other blogs to get a different prospective, but no more. The "logic" isn't there. Too bad there is such a disparity in the opinions. Nothing about the POSSIBLE harm to the children. Nothing that even resembles any concern when they were expelled. Even her childish actions in Alaska were blamed on Sarah, I understand. This is my first and last post on the other blogs. IMO they aren't even worth discussing. The absurd excuses are just too juvenile and silly.
Instead of jumping on the "ellen told it", no comments about glad the kids had fun? ANY comments on good the kids had fun? I bet not.
I have to agree about the Smith boy-man, so young and so cocky. He's a ham, and not in a cute way. And his parents just eat it up, too. Good for the G kids having a ball at a roller skating party. I have such great memories of skating with friends- oh, the disco ball lights, the organ music, the lousy pizza that I loved. That is truly what kids should be doing. Keep up the great work Jon.
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said... I have read several articles about the Smith kids, with the same theme. I saw the son in an interview, wow, what arrogance that little boy had. He was really bordering on obnoxious. Not his fault, he has been raised in this environment. Sad to see though. Not sure what to think of them.
I just heard about Will Smiths' kid and Annie yesterday and I was thinking the same thing. They are so little yet have these "adult" careers. Something about it does seem very unnatural. That said I know firsthand he is so supportive of his kids, his older son was a high school football star and the family was at almost all of his games. Most celebs send the nanny. He is also tucked away in a secluded part of LA, it's either in Malibu or Agoura not sure. But that area really helps to remove kids from the glamour and glitz of Hollywood. Celebs who truly desire a more "normal" upbringing for the kids often go north to this area to get away. If you live there you sort of already have yourself 2 notches up in my book. Actually one of the theories about the Little House kids coming out of it so normal was because it was filmed in Simi Valley. It was isolated from the negativity of LA, they were so far away from it there weren't many chances to go down there and be a part of it. They were more sheltered from it than say someone right in the heart of it like Danny Bonaduche.
There is no such thing as a permit to park in a fire lane. This summer a Massachuttes school bus driver was spotted parking in the fire lane at a grocery store and someone snapped a photo. It went viral, he was torn apart in the local media. He was reported to the Quincy Board of Education. People went on rampages about how he endangered the lives of the whole store. As well they should. It should never be socially acceptably to endanger other people's lives. Again I ask, if you had to call 911 and Kate was blocking help to your loved one, how would you feel?
Just briefly about the blogs then no more, but I have to say I really get a kick out of how they accuse me of having this big ego. And yet there they are, talking about me all day long. Ha.
"There is no such thing as a permit to park in a fire lane."
Of course there isn't. It is silly AND absurd to even suggest that. I have watched movies being filmed and the FD was there to make sure the hydrants weren't covered up or blocked.
"I really get a kick out of how they accuse me of having this big ego. And yet there they are, talking about me all day long. Ha."
I think it is funny in a way. YOU really are a threat for some reason. OK NO MORE LOL
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Another thought on the Smith kids, I have seen the girl sing, maybe I am old, but with auto tune, she was only "ok". Not that talented IMO. for such a huge project for someone just starting, with little or no talent? I haven't seen the movie the son is in, he just really turned me off in that interview. HUGE stars don't act that way. I hope they can find a happy medium. I know Will is very involved with his kids. I am really surprised that they are "out there" like this, and not concentrating on their school work, and somewhat of a normal life. I read they have onset teachers. Not the same, IMO as the school/friends/activities of a normal kid. It just seems contrary to how WIll has acted with his kids.
He is also tucked away in a secluded part of LA, it's either in Malibu or Agoura not sure. But that area really helps to remove kids from the glamour and glitz of Hollywood. Celebs who truly desire a more "normal" upbringing for the kids often go north to this area to get away. If you live there you sort of already have yourself 2 notches up in my book.
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I think this is the first time I've heard Malibu described as a place for a "normal" upbringing. Hilarious. If by "normal" you mean extremely privileged, then it's normal alright. There are plenty of middle class suburbs all over LA where kids can have a "normal" upbringing. They don't need to be raised in Malibu to avoid the trappings of Hollywood.
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm very pleased to hear the kids have real friends their own age and are invited to parties. We were talking not too long ago about how they were so isolated from these things. Now we can worry about all this a whole lot less.
I'm equally pleased it was a photo-free day of fun! To hear it happened is different that to have pictures of it, in this case.
LANative, since I lived in Malibu and was involved at the schools there, I found most of the people there very normal and down to earth. Very different than Hollywood, Bev Hills, Bel Air, those areas. There are some mansions in Malibu. But far more quiet little neighborhoods with modest 2 and 3 bedroom houses you would see anywhere else. The average income in Malibu is about 150k I believe, that's hardly millions.
I think what's happening is Malibu is often just a weekend retreat or beach house for a lot of people who live full time closer to LA. Those are not the same people your kids are going to school with. The people who have actually made it a full-time home I've found to be lovely overall.
As for Agoura, it's normal American suburbs at its best.
They always show the same millionaire row strip in Malibu in the movies when most of it isnt like that.
Also I didn't say you HAD to be raised there to avoid the trappings in Hollywood, just that it helps to raise kids away from the heart of LA, whether that's there, or Simi Valley, or San Gabriel Valley, or any of the more "normal" suburbs.
Fidos, why would you be in the minority? Every single comment here is about how relieved we are they had a normal outing. On the contrary, you're in the vast majority.
Why would anyone not want them to have a normal birthday party???
Lolly, lol I forgot about that but yes it has TWO trailer parks! I subletted my friend's place there one summer just for kicks, and to help her out. Why not. Those people were the absolute best.
You can go back into some of the canyons and it feels like anywhere USA rural America. There is also this area called Topanga Canyon where you feel like it's Appalacia. I don't mean this as an insult whatsoever, but rather in a nostolgic way. With cute flea markets and little convenience stores and no gas stations anywhere. This place is really a far cry from the Fresh Prince. I would raise kids there any day.
ADMIN, I agree parts of that area are really quaint. Remember Charles Nelson Riley? He used to live there, I was in his home once, a really great quaint place, off the road home. There was a biker bar that was so much fun, not a hells angels bikers type, but mostly locals and it was so much fun. I agree Topanga is great that way, I know what you mean by the comparison. Wow, brings back so many memories. LOL
I didn't know there were 2 trailer parks. I know of the one, kinda pricey, BUT the views are magnificent.
Admin, I'm reading comments saying they wish it hadn't been reported at all, etc. While I respect that opinion, I'm glad the story was reported, sans pictures. It's comforting to me to hear about these Mommy-free outings with friends, and I wouldn't hear about them unless they were reported by someone.
I especially love how the fan site talked about Sarah Palin's show. You see, she was set up by Sarah and her Dad. They 'fixed and planned' the whole thing to make Kate look bad. They, I guess by their reasoning, took Kate captive, forced her on that plane, out into the wilderness and held a gun to her head. What rubbish. Kate went because she was going to make money. Plain and simple. And once she got there, she didn't like it so she pitched a Kate fit. That's all there was to it. Except that TLC decided to film her having her fit. I never saw one thing on there where Sarah or her Dad or any of them were mean or rude in any way to Kate. And lets get real, no one could force Kate to do anything she didn't want to do. And then there's the fire lane. That shows just how far the fans are willing to go for their darling. She had permission to park in a fire lane? Oh geesh, first of all they said they didn't see any red or yellow lines so no, she wasn't in a fire lane. Then when it was clearly pointed out you could see the words fire and lane underneath her car they changed it to she had permission. That does NOT happen. Even the president of the US would not presume to park in a fire lane. It is not o.k. Of course it was o.k. to rip your kids out of school so you could go sun and expose yourself in Australia. Every single one of them claimed they would do the same thing. And so it goes. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Off topic, but just catching the guy from Cake Boss on his new show Kitchen Boss. See, here's someone who DID make the best of the opportunity he was given. He's got EVERYONE from his family on there, giving out recipes, sharing tips etc, with charm and decorum. He doesn't have the best couth or tv presence, but he's got "something". Probably NOT a personality disorder!
fidosmommy said... I know I'm in the minority, but I'm very pleased to hear the kids have real friends their own age and are invited to parties. We were talking not too long ago about how they were so isolated from these things. Now we can worry about all this a whole lot less.
I'm equally pleased it was a photo-free day of fun! To hear it happened is different that to have pictures of it, in this case.
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Fidosmommy, You're in the majority if you feel that way. I think I can speak for everyone here and say that we are all happy to know the kids are doing things with their peers, that Jon is participating, and that they are able to be active without the cameras always present. In fact, that's my wish for the rest of their lives - to be with peers, family, and have fun with NO CAMERAS to document their every move.
That's easy, the sheeple would feel honored. ********** Oh that made me laugh. I wonder if anyone has notified the police with the photographic evidence of her continuous contempt for the law. People who park where they should not get the serious stink eye from me. My bigger pet peeve with parking is those who park in handicapped spots without a permit. That, I'll call the cops for.
Oh that made me laugh. I wonder if anyone has notified the police with the photographic evidence of her continuous contempt for the law. People who park where they should not get the serious stink eye from me. My bigger pet peeve with parking is those who park in handicapped spots without a permit. That, I'll call the cops for.
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Maybe we should put together all the photos of her parked in a fire lane and send them to Perez Hilton to tear apart. He's anti-Kate now right? And Tucker's mom, my biggest pet peeve is when people lock their dogs in the car without rolling down the window. I try to leave a not saying that they can KILL their dog that way. I can't believe some people don't know that!
I too hate the people that park in illegally in the handicapped spaces. The larger stores in my area hire off duty police to patrol the parking lots and they will issue tickets for illegal parking. Kate seems to feel entitled to park in fire lanes over and over, I suppose she's so self absorbed that she never thought of the danger she was putting people in. Hmmm..perhaps she thought of it and dismissed it because she doesn't notice or care about other people. OT but is anyone else having trouble posting?
Vanessa said... ...He doesn't have the best couth or tv presence, but he's got "something". 88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 Fugedaboutit he's from Jersey AND he's Italian!
About the leaking the story about the skating event with their dad. How does any of the fans know this was Ellen or Jon? Do they live with them 24/7 and watch every move they make? How can anyone be so delusional that they can say without question that Ellen or Jon or anyone else was THE one who leaked information. They can't. But they do it all the time because they worship at the altar of Kate and cannot and will not admit that she could ever do anything wrong. People can and do suspect who might or might not have done something, but there is no way they KNOW for a rock solid fact who did what. And therein lies the craziness of the fans and where vicious rumors get started. And they call us crazy?
I am so proud of Jon for stepping up and being the dad they need, giving them a normal life. It was most likely another parent who reported it. It sounds like it was observation from the sidelines.
Why are so many people concerned with what the Sheeple say? We know that they are nuts, without any sense of reasoning ability, intellect, or writing skills. Does anyone here think it just feeds them to constantly comment on what they are saying? Yes, their comments may be funny and way off base, but they are also pathetic. Isn't this kind of like giving recognition to a narcissist? They love it! Why not just ignore them? I'm thinking of a line from the movie, Fatal Attraction. What really irked Alex (Glenn Close) was how Dan (Michael Douglas) blew her off:
"Well, what am I supposed to do? You won't answer my calls, you change your number. I mean, I'm not gonna be ignored, Dan!"
If this skating story ever made it onto a tabloid show or magazine, you can bet your boots Kate would be on the phone with either Meredith Viera or Kate Coyne from People Magazine to plan her next Jon bashing interview.
We don't go to them, but the sheeple come here and tell us how unfair we're being to Kate. We're only pointing out the hypocrisy. But you're right, Bleating Sheeple. They should really be ignored.
We don't go to them, but the sheeple come here and tell us how unfair we're being to Kate.
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Understood. But is there really any need to respond? Kate goes on television to "set the record straight." Jon doesn't give her the time of day. He doesn't keep the debate going, but just lets her go. This must really drive her nuts, because she needs this publicity (and the chance to tell her side) to keep her going.
Why not ignore the sheeple? Constant commenting about what they are saying and doing is just feeding the flock. Not pointing out even the hypocrisy of their statements would seem to me to best the best way to go. But I suppose it is human nature to feel the need to reply to their insane comments and speculations.
Admin - question for you. Since this is your blog, when sheeple take our comments verbatim and post them on THEIR sites (to dissect and tear us apart), is that "legal" as far as internet use is concerned? Are our words copyrighted (for lack of a better word)?
I think Kate believes the fines she gets for parking or driving violations are just the cost of getting around in her community, and she's wealthy enough to pay them. When I go shopping I think about parking fees; kate gambles on getting a freebie in the fire lane or having to pay to park there, if she gets caught. It's all the same to her,just a game she is playing with the world. She doesn't care if it's wrong.
OT on this thread, but I came across this little nugget when researching "Werny Gal"'s qualifications (I found similar accusations on other links as well):
"The Secret World of Jon & Kate Co-Author Polly Kahl Currently Not Licensesd to Practice In Pennsylvania
Jul 27th Posted by Matt Heckman in Berks County Politics
Polly Kahl has not been licensed to practice psychology since 2007, according to The Pennsylvania State Department. Polly Kahl who recently co-authored a book with former Reading Eagle Editor Al Walentis provides a psychological evaluation on the children of Jon & Kate Gosselin which is a violation of Pennsylvania law and a possible felony, as she is practicing without a license. The law clearly states:
'It shall be unlawful for any person to practice, or attempt to offer to practice, medicine and surgery, or other areas of practice requiring a license, certificate or registration from the board, as such practice is defined in this act, without having at the time of so doing a valid, unexpired, unrevoked and unsuspended license, certificate or registration issued under this act. The unlawful practice of medicine and surgery or other areas of practice requiring a license, certificate or registration from the board, as such practice is defined in this act, may be enjoined by the courts on petition of the board or the commissioner. In any such proceeding, it shall not be necessary to show that any person is individually injured by the actions complained of. If it is determined the respondent has engaged in the unlawful practice of medicine and surgery or other areas of practice requiring a license, certificate or registration from the board, the court shall enjoin him from so practicing unless and until he has been duly licensed, certificated or registered. Procedure in such cases shall be the same as in any other injunction suit. The remedy by injunction hereby given is in addition to any other civil or criminal prosecution and punishment.' 63 Pa. Stat. Ann. § 422.38.
What seems to be more disturbing, is that Polly Kahl has an active practice called Kahl Counseling & Consultation located at 2130 Penn Avenue West Lawn, PA 19609. As you will see on her web site at pollykahl.com, her site has been up to date as recently as this year, which means it is possible that Polly Kahl has been practicing without a license for roughly 3 years.
The Secret World of Jon & Kate has not been doing well in sales, or reviews either according to the comments on Amazon, and several blogs. The book was recently pulled for a short time to make revisions after public backlash about its content that involved Jodi & Kevin Kreider the brother and sister in law of Kate Gosselin. What was supposed to be the fat man and little boy for The Anti-Kate Gosselin movement on the internet, has turned into just a little sparkler that has not affected public opinion.
This little sparkler could prove costly for Polly Kahl, and possibly Al Walents, as the investigations by The State Attorney General, and local District Attorney are sure to follow. State Rep. Thomas Murt who has been trying to revise Child Labor laws in Pennsylvania, allegedly was in close contact with Polly Kahl and used her advise to craft House Bill 2515 also known as The Gosselin Law."
Of course, she doesn't need to be licensed to pen a book about the Gosselins -- but she certainly needs a license to provide counseling and psychological services to her clients, which according to her official site, she currently does provide.
And yet, you feel compelled to talk about the party here. If you want the kids to have their privacy, how about doing your part by giving them some?
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Why are you reading and commenting here? Certainly if you want the kids to have some privacy, then you would refrain from doing what you are accusing others here of doing.
Having asked that, I think that the reason it IS being discussed here because there have been so many comments that the kids have no social life because they are thought of as a unit, and as such, their mother seldom takes them places unless it is for filming purposes. The fact that they were at a party with THEIR FATHER is a good thing because he allows them to be kids. I think it's put several concerns to rest when it's made public that the kids were at a party with their classmates and having a good time.
After all, it IS a blog about reality television kids.
Admin, what happened to you posting Kate's worst moments? I know you are super busy. Is it because it got vetoed for the fact that it exposes the kids even more? I'm just wondering. Over the summer, you had posted videos, for example of Kate ignoring 1 of the boys (cannot remember who) when he was constipated & Kate was picking out furniture, & the video of Gum-Gate. I think you had said if it was a "slow news week" (lol), you would put up those clips. Again, not sure if that whole concept got thrown out the window...
I hope everyone has a great weekend! I have a 3 essays due, a critical book review, a Holistic Wellness project due, dinner w/ friends, 2 Clinical Herbalist exams, 4-5 loads of laundry, & a 10 year old bedroom rearrange to do! And I might tackle my closet who my husband so graciously gave me all to myself. :) But I'll still pop in for the wit. Enjoy your family time! :)
And yet, you feel compelled to talk about the party here. If you want the kids to have their privacy, how about doing your part by giving them some?
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Excellent idea! And as soon as Kate takes her kids off t.v., they will finally have the privacy they all deserve. Trust me, it will not be necessary to discuss/expose their situation anymore.
You have to admit though, it's an unjust, silly, and embarrassing shame that Kate is forcing her family to film/work so that she can achieve fame & fortune.
I just wish that Kate had talent, grace & charm so that she could make it in show business on her own, and not on her kids backs.
Snow Globe said... Certainly if you want the kids to have some privacy, then you would refrain from doing what you are accusing others here of doing.
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I think that was a legit question. After all, the children's privacy is a huge issue here. It would have been so refreshing if the article had been ignored or no one felt compelled to participate in yet another invasion of their privacy.
It was a rhetorical remark, in the form of a question that suggested bloggers refrain from posting [about the kids' privacy]. I think my question was legitimate. Why are you READING and COMMENTING here if you believe that this blog is invading the children's privacy?
Is this "Why is this a thread," or "Legit question?" or one and the same?
The kids' privacy has been invaded above and beyond what has been discussed here. They have their mother and TLC to thank for that. Jon has been giving them the chance to be kids. I would think that most would be assured to read that there are some good memories being made for these kids. Not all is doom and gloom.
What really bothers me, however, are the photographs....the analysis of facial gestures, body language (Cara is crying for attention from her mother, Joel looks sick and bewildered, Alexis looks to be in shock, Mady has her arms crossed - she must have gotten a tongue-lashing from Kate) Nobody, other than the children and those who were there, knows what went on at any given moment. The dissecting of photos is not only ridiculous - it just isn't fair to the kids.
"Certainly if you want the kids to have some privacy, then you would refrain from doing what you are accusing others here of doing."
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It's sad that their childhoods ever became fodder for blogs, but the day Kate says the show is over and asks for privacy for her kids is the day I stop commenting on their exploitation.
Bleating Sheeple said... Why are so many people concerned with what the Sheeple say? We know that they are nuts, without any sense of reasoning ability, intellect, or writing skills. Does anyone here think it just feeds them to constantly comment on what they are saying? Yes, their comments may be funny and way off base, but they are also pathetic. Isn't this kind of like giving recognition to a narcissist?
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I agree, Bleating Sheeple. It is a highlight of a Sheeples day and feeds their egos when they read that someone has been to their site and brought their comments back here to discuss. I don't think we should give them the satisfaction of thinking someone even cares they exist.
We all know they're pathetic, so let's ignore them and let them fade into oblivion.
Hippie I wasn't posting Kate's worst moments, but rather the kids most exploitive moments. Jon has been a big part of it too.
Anyway thanks for asking--the videos take a long time to do, real life has gotten in the way. I'll try to do another one soon.
I think we should move on from talking about the sheeple, they are what they are. I'm guilty of violating my own rule. I'm going to be stricter about deleting sheeple comments.
I'm sort of in a catch 22 with this thread. Had I ignored this information, you can bet I would be accused of intentionally refusing to acknowledge that the children DO have normal moments without cameras and paparazzi.
I also think if we heard about this kind of thing all the time, there would be far less interest. This is one of the first times we've actually heard about something fun and relaxing without cameras or paps. That is not to say by any means it never happens, who knows. But it's not normally reported.
Why are you READING and COMMENTING here if you believe that this blog is invading the children's privacy?
I comment here from time to time because I hope that, through courteous and logical remarks, I can, perhaps, convince ONE person at a time that the best way to insure the kids privacy is to be one of those who does NOT comment on it which does nothing but prolong the hideous invasion.
I comment here from time to time because I hope that, through courteous and logical remarks,
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Under what name do you comment? "Thread," or "Legit," or perhaps something else?
"I can, perhaps, convince ONE person at a time that the best way to insure the kids privacy is to be one of those who does NOT comment on it which does nothing but prolong the hideous invasion."
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Perhaps what you don't understand is that those on this blog are not prolonging the hideous invasion. Her mother is doing an excellent job of that, and is not in need of any help from anyone. The best way to insure that the kids have privacy is for them not to be exploited or put into the public eye in the first place.
Kate remarked in one of her intern-generated blogs that her favorite movie is "The Sound of Music." The lyrics of one of Oscar Hammerstein's songs, Do-Re-Mi, begins like this: "Let's start at the very beginning/A very good place to start..."
And so it is with the Gosselin saga. Kate started this. In the beginning, the premise was innocent enough...a television show special that featured life with two sets of multiples. It was a very good place to start. It also should have been the end. However, things turned ugly with the exploitation of the children, as greed and the desire for fame slithered out from under some rocks and into the lives of eight unsuspecting children who neither understood nor agreed to be at the mercy of a mother who had materialistic motives.
Kate (and TLC) needs to finish this. Everything in between, as Kate admitted when she said that they MADE it OUR business, has been HER doing - HER exploitation/privacy invasion of her children. Hers, not ours.
"I comment here from time to time because I hope that, through courteous and logical remarks, I can, perhaps, convince ONE person at a time that the best way to insure the kids privacy is to be one of those who does NOT comment on it which does nothing but prolong the hideous invasion."
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There's something to be said about making a convincing argument in order to get one person to see the "light," except you have done NOTHING to pursuade anyone to have an epiphany. All you did was to ask a pseudo question: "And yet, you feel compelled to talk about the party here. If you want the kids to have their privacy, how about doing your part by giving them some?"
How is that convincing anyone of anything? It's just a repetition of the same old, same old, that has been regurgitated here so many times. If you want to do any "convincing," you'll have to put more meat into your arguments rather than putting forth a flimsy suggestion that the blogging ceases.
Invading the kids privacy? Naw...kate sold the kids privacy years ago.I use to wonder if commenting on a blog/s was bad for the kids.We didnt do this to them...thier pimp did.kate the pimp is willing to sell the kids to make money.Kate is ok with the kids working to keep her in a lifestyle she NEVER had but thinks she's entitled to.
I dont talk about what kate wears (i really dont give a shit)I comment when the kids are being pimped to make millions of dollars while they are getting almost NOTHING!
Kate is using the kids to give her a life she never ever would of have.Kate says she is the one working while the kids are just playing.REALLY...the kids are working...being told what to say and where to stand and when to smile.They are told when re-takes are needed! How often do you tell your kids...who are "playing" to do it again but BETTER?
When kate was on Ellen she was asked about buying the kids cars when they are able to drive.Kate said "when they get a job,they can buy thier own cars" Really? This is ok with you sheeple?
Kate made everything she does news.She has forced this attention on to the kids.I think it will help the kids in the future,just knowing that lots of people thought this was wrong.They will be able to see that many many people tried to help them.It will be nice for them to know that someone was trying to look out for them.That someone understands the pain they were going through!
OT...It takes me 3 times to get my commets to go through.What can I do to fix that?
Administrator said... I'm sort of in a catch 22 with this thread. Had I ignored this information, you can bet I would be accused of intentionally refusing to acknowledge that the children DO have normal moments without cameras and paparazzi.
I also think if we heard about this kind of thing all the time, there would be far less interest. This is one of the first times we've actually heard about something fun and relaxing without cameras or paps. That is not to say by any means it never happens, who knows. But it's not normally reported.
January 28, 2011 8:20 PM
The noteworthy thing is anytime these normal types of activities without cameras are reported, it is when the kids are with Jon.
Never Kate.
You have to wonder, if Jon were not available to take the kids to this party, would they have had to miss it? Because Kate most likely would not have lowered herself to attend a non-celebrity birthday party for common folk.
Now, if it were Surie Cruise's skating party, you can bet Kate would've been there with bells on ( and hooker heels and hoochie clothes).
This bit of news about the skating party with Jon did not surprise me at all.
However, I would've fallen over dead from shock if it were Kate who was spotted at the party with them... and no cameras, no bodyguard, socializing with other parents, and attempting to help her kids try to skate.
I would know right then hell had finally frozen over.
However, I would've allen over dead from shock if it were Kate who was spotted at the party with them... and no cameras, no bodyguard, socializing with other parents, and attempting to help her kids try to skate.
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Kate THREW a birthday party for her kids and other moms were there. Kate barely spoke to them, at least on camera. When she did speak to them, it was to get them to help her out with something, if I recall. She looked positively miserable. Of course, it was when she and Jon were not speaking to each other, even though they posed oh-so-pretty for the camera with their 8 kids separating them.
You might think that Kate might try to turn on some graciousness toward the other mothers. One reason would be to not look so obvious in her disdain for Jon, and another would be to show herself as at least a little friendly to other adults. But she chose to do it her way, and ended up looking totally ungracious and aloof.
Like you, I can't picture Kate putting herself in the middle of situations like another child's birthday party unless she was getting paid to be there or unless it was a red carpet affair.
Just as an aside: What did that 5th birthday party and Alaska have in common? Both were fairly temperate days, the kids seemed comfortable enough, but KATE COMPLAINED ABOUT BEING FREEZING AT BOTH OF THEM. I think "freezing" is Kate-speak for "unhappy".
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said.. I agree, I have read many articles written by professionals who see the danger with the filming and keeping them in the public eye. Even if not all experts agree, if there is even a SMALL chance this is harmful to the children, then WHY take that chance. I just can't understand why some people don't see this. Kate being number one in the line.
Admin said... Hippie I wasn't posting Kate's worst moments, but rather the kids most exploitive moments. Jon has been a big part of it too.
I guess it could be both, huh? Kate's worst moments & the kids most exploitative moments... They kind of go hand in hand. I was just wondering, I know you are super busy!! Some posters (sheeple, perhaps?) stated that it just exploited the kids even more. I thought it was a good thing, exposing old clips & showing more people how the kids were made to live in the earlier days of the show. It's gotten worse & worse hasn't it?
"Some posters (sheeple, perhaps?) stated that it just exploited the kids even more."
This is what makes no sense. To expose the wrongs is NOT exploiting. It is educating people. A few posters remarked after Admin posted them, they had never seen the episodes and were appalled at the clip. Many people do not know nor understand the history of this mess. To show the damage being done is NOT exploiting at all. I wish people could really think about this.
Hi Lolly... I agree completely. Expose Kate for who she has been all along, & as I stated above, it has just gotten worse. She has NOT gotten any more loving or maternal. She just keeps exposing those kids, & exploiting even more damaging moments; EX: the vomiting on the fishing boat & the NYC heat wave. Some people, like myself, do not watch, but come here for the recap, so I know what is going on. Some people don't watch & don't come here at all for the recap, & then just happen to swing by & see the clips & are shocked by what they see & therefore, may want to help the kids. (again Admin, I know you are a busy woman, but that was a wonderful idea!)
Thanks Mickey for the article. I'm bored so I thought I'd google the poster that commented on that blog.
http://twitter.com/msgoody2shoes21
Seriously disturbed individual, check it out.**************************************** I think Jon is the one that needs a bodyguard with this kind of obsessive weirdo.
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said.. I agree, I have read many articles written by professionals who see the danger with the filming and keeping them in the public eye. Even if not all experts agree, if there is even a SMALL chance this is harmful to the children, then WHY take that chance. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& I said this awhile ago, it can't be said enough, it's such a great point and exposes the huge flaw in the argument that the kids COULD turn out just fine despite their f-ed up childhoods. Key word, Kate fans: COULD. Knowing we know about kids who are constantly in the public eye, why would you CHANCE IT? Why would you gamble with your own kids?
If you think about the complete lack of logic in this, it's very disturbing. For example:
1. I don't make my kid where a helmet because chances are, he won't get hit by a car. Chances are he will be fine. Even if he does get hit by a car, there's no telling if the helmet would have protected him. 2. I feed my kid junk food and don't make him eat healthy because chances are, he won't get fat or get diabetes. Chances are he will be fine. 3. I don't make my kid put on a jacket and mittens when it's cold because chances are he won't get a cold. 4. I pull my kid out of school for vacations all the time because chances are, he's not missing anything important. Chances are he'll forget the birthday party he missed out on or spirit day or the fun snow day. He'll be fine. 5. I don't go to any of my child's sports games and school events because chances are, he won't even miss me there. Chances are this won't affect him in the future, he won't have mommy and daddy issues, most kids don't. 6. I'm going to let my kid drink alcohol even though he's underage because chances are he won't become an alcoholic, chances are he won't think I'm condoning underage drinking and breaking the law. 7. I'm going to break the law in little ways, parking in handicap parking spots and fire zones, speeding, stealing pinecones, leaving the scene of an accident, because chances are, my kid won't grow up and learn to do the same.
You wouldn't CHANCE IT with your kids in all of the above? So why is Kate CHANCING IT with the kids and filming, and why are people still supporting her gambling with her own kids?
I like how the blogger, Allen Stewart, responded to that comment by saying, yeah you basically just proved my point. LOL!
He's a Christian attorney and his web site says "When big business harms the interests of innocent people and even entire communities, those victims need a strong advocate with proven success. As one of the nation's leading toxic tort attorneys, Al Stewart is passionate about defending the rights of people harmed by others."
Maybe he's the right guy to help sue if the Gosselin kids want to someday.
It's nice that all these attorneys and psycholgists and people with advanced degrees and educated at Harvard and so on have finally spoken out about this madness over the past year or so. Although I have to say, it doesn't take a degree to know that something is wrong here.
Bristol Palin was uninvited to speak at Washington University because the Student Union didn't feel it right a 20 year old with a GED be able to afford a 5 bedroom house and command a $20,000 speaking fee just for exploiting her teenaged pregnancy/famous mother. Good on them. Now will the advertisers please stop rewarding Kate for exploiting her multiples pregnancy.
Bristol Palin was uninvited to speak at Washington University because the Student Union didn't feel it right a 20 year old with a GED be able to afford a 5 bedroom house and command a $20,000 speaking fee just for exploiting her teenaged pregnancy/famous mother. Good on them. Now will the advertisers please stop rewarding Kate for exploiting her multiples pregnancy.
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I have a friend who is a professor at the school. There was no official statement issued that those were the reasons she was uninvited. The fact is that she was to be paid from student-generated funds, and the budget was such that they felt it was just too much money to spend. If the college had paid for it, I doubt that there would have been any protests at all, and the fact that she's a 20-year-old who bought a house never would have entered into anything. What is not being reported is that there were many students who supported the speaking engagement, believing that this would be an excellent opportunity to hear from a young woman who made a mistake, finished high school, and has a career in mind, while taking on the responsibility of raising a child. There were many college students who actually wanted to hear from someone in their own age group who has been in that situation, rather than a psychologist or physician who had no first-hand experiences with the subject under discussion, which was sexual awareness/responsibility.
Bristol got her GED and earned a 3.497 GPA and has plans to go to business school. Good for her. At least she had the gumption to do this, rather than relying on the "fame" of her well-known mother to get perks in life.
How is Bristol exploiting Sarah Palin? Kate's exploiting her kids, but Sarah being exploited by Bristol? I don't think so...
I don't have a problem with what Bristol is doing. She is taking a bad situation, taking responsibility for it, and is using it to help others. The baby is at home well cared for. His life is a bit public because his grandmother is a politician, even if Bristol didn't speak he would still be Sarah Palin's grandson. The idea of a teen pregnancy is what is being talked about, not the baby himself or the baby's private moments or life. I can't even remember his name. We know very little about him other than who his parents are, which we all knew whether Bristol is talking openly about her situation or not.
If talking about teen pregnancy is exploitive, then so is a paralyzed person on the speaking circuit talking about his disability, a mother who lost a child to drunk driving speaking about it, or any other life experience you use to help others by speaking about it. There was nothing wrong with the Gosselins talking about their unique circumstances on the circuit. It only became wrong when they misrepresented their financial situation to the audience and invited the public in to experience every poop and pee from the kids. Had they kept it to just speaking about raising multiples and THAT'S IT I suspect they would be living very comfortably now, might even still be married, and the kids would have normal lives.
Bristol is not lying about what happened to her, as Kate and Jon lied on the speaking circuit about their financial situation. People know what they are paying for. If people don't want to hear her, don't go. I just don't see this as exploitation. Bristol is an adult, she can choose whether to talk openly about her private life. She can tell her mother no if she doesn't want to do something. Actually the fact that she was very absent from her mother's reality show suggests to me she knows her own mind. If she really wanted to be very involved with it she would have found a way to get back there and be on.
Her can-do attitude, gentle and kind personality, and humbleness on DWTS has had a heavy influence on my perception of her.
I bet her parents helped her with the house. Are young people not allowed to buy houses?
Something that I have noticed is that children, in general, look as if they do not enjoy being involved in reality shows. Except maybe the Duggars. The majority of the rest look as if that is the last place they want to be and don't seem "overly excited" to be involved in the family "memories" or "activities."
Any of the Housewife shows, the Palins, the Roloffs, the Osbornes, Scary Spice show, Kimora, even Run's show. All of the kids just seem to be annoyed by it all. It also seems to feed one of the adult's ego in the family, maybe insecurities too.
We have seen it in the twins for quite sometime.
Its like these parents want these trained monkeys. "tell the people about your vacation." "lets talk. . right in front of this camera, camera guy, sound people, makeup people, directors, assistants, and those other 8 people you dont really know. mommy loves you. it's o.k. you can tell me." We see them do their monkey thing, then we get to watch their mommys sit in a chair and tell us what we just saw. Fascinating!!!!!
Im sure the sheeple will brush it off as typical kid/teenage attitude. I don't think so.
I am a fan on Matt Roloff's facebook page. He posts video giving updates on the family. He posted about all his plans for 2011. In the video he talks about how time-consuming it is to do a reality show. You have to get up early, meet with the producers to discuss the plans/days activity. He mentioned even just going to the bank, and all the retakes it took. He also stated that he is still under TLC's obligation for, he thinks, about 18 months or so. So any projects/promotions have to be OK'd per them.
Imagine how many retakes it must take for 8 small children. I'd like Kate to explain that away. That is not playing, it is work.
This is TLC's reality: kids having fun, running, laughing, playing: http://www.infdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/INFphoto_1485944.jpg
This is the children's reality: camerman, booms, crowded: http://www.infdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/INFphoto_1485947.jpg
I think when some people watch the show, and think ... how cute the kids are, look at the fun they are having, they are forgetting there is a crew of people all around them, they are cut off from other kids, they are being told what to say, how to say it and when to say it.
Bristol got her GED and earned a 3.497 GPA and has plans to go to business school. Good for her. At least she had the gumption to do this, rather than relying on the "fame" of her well-known mother to get perks in life.
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Just to do a little reality check here: Bristol Palin wouldn't own a $200,000 house if she hadn't relied on her mother's fame to get her a very big perk in life - a stint on DWTS.
Bristol is fortunate enough to have a very wealthy and famous mother. Her story would have certainly been quite different if that were not the case, and she sure wouldn't have been on any college's commencement speaker list if she were Jane Nobody, much less able to claim a $20,000 speaker's fee.
There are many responsible 22-year-old unwed mothers out there who really have done it on their own. Bristol Palin isn't one of them.
I think that's part of the message though, that with the support of family you can get through something like a teen pregnancy. Of course she probably wouldn't have made it without her parents--her parents love her and supprt her. Most teen moms need some kind of support system if they're going to go through with it.
Other 22-year-olds in her situation are not in a position to be successful on the speaking circuit. The public does not have an interest in "unknowns." Bristol knew she was uniquely poised to talk about this issue because people were interested in her family. She could have locked herself up at home and said it's none of their business, or she could take her circumstances and the reality of her famous family and spun it into something positive.
I watched Sarah's show. I don't see the kids being spoiled with "stuff" and "perks" like what is constantly lavished on the Gosselin kids. I see parents spoiling the kids with tons of family time--hikes, camping, fishing, road trips. I see the kids spoiled with lots of learning opportunities--gold panning, survival, rock climbing. Sarah wasn't even famous until a few years ago. She was only known locally, and lots of kids have parents who are well known locally.
Actually I think if more children of celebrities found a way to make something positive out of their unique and often strange upbringing we would see a lot less Redman O'Neil's out there. It does not surprise me the Palin kids are doing well with what has been thrown at them, they are plucky like Sarah.
You know in thinking about it that might be the one way that the Gosselin kids might someday be able to process and feel at peace about their upbringing once they reach adulthood. If they are able to somehow spin something negative into a positive. Maybe for some of them it might be speaking publically about the situation. Maybe we'll see one or more of the kids starting some kind of organization like Paul Petersen did.
Maybe we'll see one or more of the kids starting some kind of organization like Paul Petersen did.
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Admin., you're right. One can only hope. However, Paul was only one person. With the Gosselins, you have eight kids, and I'm not sure the percentage of all of them being able to do this is that great. This exploitation continues, with no signs right now of letting up. How long can this continue before there is a point of no return for them? She's not going to end this anytime soon, and the longer it goes on, the chances of all of these kids emerging as young adults/adults with the opportunity to turn bad into good diminishes.
Nobody can predict the future. We don't know how much this is affecting them emotionally, or how strong they are internally that they will be able to emerge from this as peaceful, happy adults. Tragically, I just don't see this happening with ALL of them, and if only one of them is emotionally damaged by all of this, that's one too many, and a disfunctional life that Kate could have prevented from happening, only she choose not to. The kids have no choice.
"This exploitation continues, with no signs right now of letting up."
When the contract is up in 2012, unless Jon signs on again, won't that be the end of the kids? TLC will not have Jon by the man parts this time, (HOPEFULLY) so he won't have to sign on.? I think this is why Kate and TLC are filming the crap out of them, and probably will be until 2012.
Not Quite said... Just to do a little reality check here: Bristol Palin wouldn't own a $200,000 house if she hadn't relied on her mother's fame to get her a very big perk in life - a stint on DWTS.
Bristol is fortunate enough to have a very wealthy and famous mother. Her story would have certainly been quite different if that were not the case, and she sure wouldn't have been on any college's commencement speaker list if she were Jane Nobody, much less able to claim a $20,000 speaker's fee...
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Your reality check is missing a few details. Bristol was not being considered for a commencement speaking engagement. She was being considered to be on an Abstinence Panel during Sex Week along with other speakers at Washington University and in fact she hadn't even signed a contract; they were still in the midst of talks.
I don't think Bristol 'relied' on her mother to get her a DWTS gig which helped her buy a house (which was a good investment). Being a Palin certainly helped her get the attention in the first place which in turn helped get Bristol the job, but Bristol put in the work to earn the money once she was there all by herself. I don't think the hard work she put into that show can even be compared to the pitiful display Kate made.
Bristol's suitability to speak about abstinence will be talked about for years as will the Palin name's effect on her 'fame', but once she's on the job she's the one who does the work and it's her personality and demeanor that earns her the good reputation she has on the circuit. I'm glad she's using the Palin name to open doors and talk about abstinence with young people.
Like her, hate her, she's helped by the Palin name, or she's hurt by it, who knows. I only care that she's a good mother to her son.
Administrator said...You wouldn't CHANCE IT with you kids with all of the above? So why is Kate CHANCING IT with the kids and filming, ==== The answer is simple. There's no money to be made by any of the chances you've listed, with the possible exception of a lawsuit or insurance settlement over a being struck by a car. She sees no danger in continuing to expose their lives on tv. The only fear she has is not being able to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. She is NOT concerned about their emotional health. How many times have we seen her push her kids away from her when they come to her. An eye roll and a threat of a nap is how she responds. Kate has proved time and again she's willing to take chances with her kids lives to better her own. It's sick of course, but a narcissist will do anything to satiate their self-importance.
Lolly said... "This exploitation continues, with no signs right now of letting up."
When the contract is up in 2012, unless Jon signs on again, won't that be the end of the kids? TLC will not have Jon by the man parts this time, (HOPEFULLY) so he won't have to sign on.? I think this is why Kate and TLC are filming the crap out of them, and probably will be until 2012.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that's true Lolly, but with the rulings that came out of the Berks Family Court this year I'm worried that Kate may end up being the sole signature required on a contract for the kids to continue filming. It will make for an interesting appeals court case if Jon is denied decision making/contract rights, but I just don't have much faith that his rights will be recognized and honored.
Ok, so I was watching Sex & The City & a commercial for Kate's stupid THS comes on & it says somethings, (my son was talking!) & I say ssshh! & then I hear "It went from reality show to freak show in 4 seconds"...so it does NOT sound promising. They also put up BAD pictures of Kate in her...ahem, hooker-wear. Oooo!! I think they may have her number!! *laughing on the inside, evilly*
h8k8 said... Well I am not sure if the rulings were to uphold the contract, or Jon didn't present a good case for his plea (as Kate's lawyer blabbed) or what.
I know that a woman who appeared on the Housewives of Atlanta, could not show her kids because the father said no, also Denise Richards had a hard time, because Charlie Sheen didn't want his kids shown either. I would THINK that a parent has the RIGHT to say no. I certainly would fight it. And from the court docket it appears that Jon has been fighting. At least I hope he can stop it in 2012.
Usually if two separated parents cannot agree on something like a contract for the kids, like in the Charlie Sheen case, they have to go to court and let the judge decide. In the Sheen case the judge agreed with the dad. I don't know if in PA Jon necessarily has veto power. It just means that if Jon says no, they're going to have to leave it up to the judge to decide if the kids will sign another contract (which is so ridiculous because kids can't contract legally anyway)--so that's a bit scary to think a judge might decide their fate again even if Jon is strongly against it.
Some people have said I HAD to have permission from my ex-husband to travel here, or do this, or do that. That's not true where I am. If parents disagree you don't "have" to have the other person's permission--rather the other alternative is you can take it to court and let the judge decide. In other words, a parent doesn't necessarily have veto power and that's it you as the other parent have no remedy.
This prevents an unreasonable parent or a parental alienator from calling the shots. If you think about it, a parental alienator could conceivably say NO to any little thing you ever wanted to do with the kids. A dangerous proposition.
Still it's rather sad to have to run to the judge all the time because of an unreasonable parent.
Well THAT is depressing, Admin. LOL Gawd, I am SO thankful I have had a normal life, a normal husband, normal kids and have never had to go through this and never will.
I still think that Twisted Kate will not be released until they can't film the kids any longer.
I thought Charlie Sheen lost his case, and the kids were allowed to be filmed.
Pretty scary to think that Charlie Sheen, who has perhaps some of the worst judgment ever, is at least smart enough to protect his children's privacy. (Even though he doesn't seem to think much about how embarrassed they'll be by his behavior!)
Bubbles said... I think they did settled on a compromise. The kids would be on a small portion of the show, or something like that. I am too tired to google it. LOL
Yeah, that is something that Sheen made that decision, after all the terrible choices he has made.
Really I thought Charlie Sheen won. I googled it, all I could find was that apparently indeed Denise won the right to do the reality show BUT with restrictions. Did anyone see the show? Were the kids hardly in it or blurred out maybe?
LOL I just had a terrible thought, I bet Kate would still film these kids even if a judge said their faces would have to be blurred. Anything is better than giving them a life of privacy and normalcy.
That's what I recall hearing about it, that the show was not about the kids and the kids were rarely shown. It's impressive that even Charlie Sheen knew that even exposing his kids a very small amount was a bad idea.
There is also this very real fear that when someone rich and famous exposes their children's faces and schedules ....that it exposes them to a risk of kidnapping and extortion. I know of a celeb who was obsessed with the Lindberg baby kidnapping and murder and was very paranoid about ever exposing the kids to any media attention.
Administrator said... ...permission from my ex-husband to travel here, or do this, or do that.
In Wis. if it is still the same as years ago you couldn't move over 90 miles away without permission from the ex or see a judge. (or out of state even if it was super close) It was made to stop the one with custody from moving so far away to punish the ex. Some with custody would use the reason of a new job they were getting. They got to move because the better money/town would benefit the child supposedly. The child needs their parents in their lives. Both of them--not money!
My ex moved 1000 miles away when our kids were young. Even though the kids are smart and not in trouble I know once a year visits weren't enough! They needed him around growing up.
IIRC, Denise Richard's kids were not seen on her "It's Constipated" show. (I know it's "complicated") but again, we have a BAD actress, with yet another frigin reality show, for NO good reason whatsoever. There is one coming out with Audrey? Aubrey? O'day? Who the hell is that?? Does everyone in the free world need an effing reality show now? When will this end? People famous for the sake of being famous. They do absolutely nothing to get where they are. Has anyone flipped trough a celeb magazine lately? It is 85% reality TV personalities. Where are the Julia Roberts? The Tom Hanks? The Meryl Streeps? The Halle Berrys? The Gwen Stefanis?
THOSE are the celebs that actually did something worthwhile. They worked hard to get where are they are. They acted in B-movies, worked from the bottom up, worked in dive bars to get their music heard, scrimped & saved as bartenders or waitresses, you get my drift. They didn't get handed a deal because they flaunted their titties on Playboy (Kim Kardashian) or popped out 6 kids & grifted church goers. These actual celebs must hate reality TV people for getting off so easy, but are so cool about not saying anything.
I wish more celebs would say more about Kate. They might see what she does to her own kids. Exploit them, use them, film the crap out of them. REAL celebs DO NOT DO THAT to their children. Kate is not a real celeb. When will she get that through her thick head?? She is a reality TV whore. Nothing more. And reality TV whores go away & then show up randomly on VH1 specials. This E! thing is her swan song. Kate got lucky, & it will all be over & she will wish she did this better or this different & this wasn't on tape for all to see. TOO late bitch. YOU screwed up when you could have done so much differently for those children, and now they will resent you for it. Greed is a bad thing to caught up in. And overnight success is never good for someone like Kate, who obviously cares more about money & fame, than she does about love & family & togetherness. (sorry about the rant)
And reality TV whores go away & then show up randomly on VH1 specials. This E! thing is her swan song.
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I hope you are right about that. Is Kate shaking in her hooker boots right now over this airing, or does she think, "wow, an entire show devoted to ME, ME, ME?" Will she see this through a narcissist's eyes, convincing herself that any publicity is good publicity because it keeps her in the public's eyes, or will she finally wake up and see herself as others see her?
Of course, we really don't know HOW this show is going to present her. She always comes off as receiving the fluff treatment (as in Viera interviews). Will the screws finally be put to her? Somehow, I doubt it. I hope that I am wrong, but she has a history of escaping the reality of the truth. This time may be no different, and she will be laughing once again, with her swell head getting even bigger, along with her boobs...
Does everyone in the free world need an effing reality show now? When will this end? People famous for the sake of being famous. They do absolutely nothing to get where they are. ****
Agreed, however these shows aren't going away anytime soon:
1) With the advent of YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. we have created a narcisstic generation that neither understands nor values privacy. Everyone can be a celebrity nowadays. And the crazier or more dysfunctional you are, the better.
2) Reality TV panders to the innate gossip in all of us. In addition, I personally feel that in stressful, uncertain times such as ours people like watching these shows for the sense of security it gives, however false. If you can watch parents exploit their kids, if you can watch hoarders, etc. then you can sit back and say "My life may be bad, but at least I'm not THAT bad."
3) Watching the "rich and famous" bicker and meltdown on television in their weekly soap operas allows some to gain perspective, i.e. "They may have all that money and stuff but it doesn't make them any happier than the rest of us."
4) Reality shows are incredibly cheap to produce so the bottom line is better for the networks and companies who promote them - they make an incredible amount of money. Their is a strong financial incentive for these networks to keep airing them.
5) Until we, as viewers, start demanding better quality entertainment it won't happen. So vote with you dollars and viewership. Drop cable and start watching online. Choose shows that support you POV and values. Write to the sponsors who advertise during the shows you don't like and let them know they have lost your dollars. It does make a difference in the long term.
This E show will just be another excuse to go on the View and the Today show no matter how it turns out. She will either feel exonerated or ridiculed .... and will have to subject us all to most private feelings about it. LMBO
I don't think Bristol 'relied' on her mother to get her a DWTS gig which helped her buy a house (which was a good investment). Being a Palin certainly helped her get the attention in the first place which in turn helped get Bristol the job, but Bristol put in the work to earn the money once she was there all by herself. I don't think the hard work she put into that show can even be compared to the pitiful display Kate made.
Bristol's suitability to speak about abstinence will be talked about for years as will the Palin name's effect on her 'fame', but once she's on the job she's the one who does the work and it's her personality and demeanor that earns her the good reputation she has on the circuit. I'm glad she's using the Palin name to open doors and talk about abstinence with young people.
Like her, hate her, she's helped by the Palin name, or she's hurt by it, who knows. I only care that she's a good mother to her son.
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If she didn't have the last name Palin, she would be competing for the limited jobs for which she would qualify with a GED. I don't see how that's open for dispute.
I don't have a problem with what Bristol is doing. She is taking a bad situation, taking responsibility for it, and is using it to help others. The baby is at home well cared for. His life is a bit public because his grandmother is a politician, even if Bristol didn't speak he would still be Sarah Palin's grandson. The idea of a teen pregnancy is what is being talked about, not the baby himself or the baby's private moments or life. I can't even remember his name. We know very little about him other than who his parents are, which we all knew whether Bristol is talking openly about her situation or not.
If talking about teen pregnancy is exploitive, then so is a paralyzed person on the speaking circuit talking about his disability, a mother who lost a child to drunk driving speaking about it, or any other life experience you use to help others by speaking about it. There was nothing wrong with the Gosselins talking about their unique circumstances on the circuit. It only became wrong when they misrepresented their financial situation to the audience and invited the public in to experience every poop and pee from the kids. Had they kept it to just speaking about raising multiples and THAT'S IT I suspect they would be living very comfortably now, might even still be married, and the kids would have normal lives.
Bristol is not lying about what happened to her, as Kate and Jon lied on the speaking circuit about their financial situation. People know what they are paying for. If people don't want to hear her, don't go. I just don't see this as exploitation. Bristol is an adult, she can choose whether to talk openly about her private life. She can tell her mother no if she doesn't want to do something. Actually the fact that she was very absent from her mother's reality show suggests to me she knows her own mind. If she really wanted to be very involved with it she would have found a way to get back there and be on.
Her can-do attitude, gentle and kind personality, and humbleness on DWTS has had a heavy influence on my perception of her.
I bet her parents helped her with the house. Are young people not allowed to buy houses?
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There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much.
If she didn't have the last name Palin, she would be competing for the limited jobs for which she would qualify with a GED. I don't see how that's open for dispute.
888888888888 She's going to further her education by getting a degree in business. She just graduated from high school. Give her a chance. She's young. We're not talking about a 30s something high school drop-out with no skills who has to take whatever job comes his/her way.
So what if being a Palin landed her the DWTS gig? The fact is that once she got there she worked her butt off, consistently improving while at the same time coming off as gracious, courteous, friendly and able to accept criticism. The same cannot be said about some other contestants who were so full of it that they were voted off.
She's not the only relative of a well-known person show who landed a television gig (brief) because of who she is, and she most certainly won't be the last. Fact is, though, she doesn't want to make a name for herself in politics or acting. She wants to sell real estate - not much glamour in that. I hope that the media has a laissez-faire attitude and doesn't pick her to death in her chosen career.
There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much. &&&&&&&&&& Bristol Palin does not make her children work for what she gets. Kate does. Huge difference. There is no double standard here.
If we objected to everyone who had a big house that would be a lot of people to be upset at. I don't object to big houses. I know lots of people with big houses. All of them worked hard for it. None of them made their kids work for it. I do object to people who get big houses off the backs of eight lost childhoods.
Bristol doesn't exploit her kid's privacy, end of story.
"There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much" -----------------
I know you are trying hard to make Kate look better but this statement is ridiculous.
Bristol only has 1 child to support and her house cost $172,000.
Kate has 8 children to support and she spends $1.2 million.
When we object to Kate speding all this money it's often mischaracterized as we simply object to someone buying stuff--houses, hair extensions, nice clothes, trips.
This completely ignores the second, crucial part of our objections. It is not the houses, trips, upkeep themselves that we object to. No, we object to the kids were put to work to GET the stuff. Then comes the next argument, but they're just freebies. Problem is that TLC would not have done so if not for the kids being put to work. So freebies or the kids' money, all this stuff is off their backs.
What child was put to work for Bristol to buy her house? That's right, no one was.
"There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much"
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There's no double standard at all. Not only did Kate BUY an expensive home (on the backs of her children), but she has to come up with the funds for the mortgage, maintenance, taxes, etc. The only way she's going to continue making those payments is by selling her kids. Bristol bought her home outright with funds from DWTS. Perhaps her parents helped with the payment. Who cares? The point is that Tripp isn't paying for it. She's supporting him; not vice versa. Tripp won't have to be exploited on national television in order to make sure that a 20+ acre property is maintained, or that the pool guy gets his weekly paycheck.
I hate it when Kate says she's just providing for the children. The "children" are providing and keeping her in the lifestyle SHE chose for them and herself. Kate's the one that wanted the big house and servants, expensive hair stylist and bodyguards. I wish she would just admit it already.
I wonder if E will expose what Kate's relationship is with her extended family. You know ....the relationship that she does't really have but pretends she does.
She's going to further her education by getting a degree in business. She just graduated from high school. Give her a chance. She's young. We're not talking about a 30s something high school drop-out with no skills who has to take whatever job comes his/her way.
So what if being a Palin landed her the DWTS gig? The fact is that once she got there she worked her butt off, consistently improving while at the same time coming off as gracious, courteous, friendly and able to accept criticism. The same cannot be said about some other contestants who were so full of it that they were voted off.
She's not the only relative of a well-known person show who landed a television gig (brief) because of who she is, and she most certainly won't be the last. Fact is, though, she doesn't want to make a name for herself in politics or acting. She wants to sell real estate - not much glamour in that. I hope that the media has a laissez-faire attitude and doesn't pick her to death in her chosen career.
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I simply pointed out that she got the DWTS gig because of her last name. That's a fact. Of course she isn't the first relative of a well-known person to land a TV gig, nor will she be the last. I wouldn't have turned down the opportunity either if I were in her shoes.
Time will tell whether or not furthers her education. As for her graciousness on DWTS, I thought she came across very well at first but I didn't find her particularly gracious toward the end. JMO.
Fact is, though, she doesn't want to make a name for herself in politics or acting. She wants to sell real estate - not much glamour in that. I hope that the media has a laissez-faire attitude and doesn't pick her to death in her chosen career.
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She gave an interview last week and discussed the fact that she may be hosting a morning radio program. It's simply untrue that she has opted for a career out of the spotlight.
The baby has only been on camera a few times. It doesn't even begin to compare to 150 episodes of his private moments and it's laughable to try to say it's the same thing.
She shouldn't talk about her relationship with his father publically. Nor should anyone. Thankfully one time is not going to damage a baby who can barely talk yet. Kate's offenses were not just "once." She takes everything and does it times ten and takes it to outer space.
Quite frankly I don't know if there IS another reality family out there that is this exploited. There is nothing to compare it to.
Bristol Palin actually may be another example of one of the many parents we might never know were influenced by the disaster of the Gosselins.
She hasn't done a reality show about her life. DWTS is a competition and is not about her own life. Maybe she thought twice about opening herself up to it after seeing what happened to others. Maybe her PR people suggested it's not a good idea right now. All possibilities. She is hot right now, if she wanted a reality show now is the time.
Double Standards and other Sheeple: I have a couple of questions for you. Why is it that you are so adamant about defending Kate? Why do you want her to continue to exploit her children in effort to keep up a lifestyle that she chose?
Are you a mother? If so, would you allow cameras to come into your home to film your children using the potty, throwing up on a boat and lying in their vomit? Would you allow your children to have their breakdowns (think Mady in Florida saying she'd rather die) being filmed for MILLIONS of people to watch, comment on, and exploit for profit?
If you are not a mother, then why on earth would you want to watch this travesty on film? Is it entertaining to watch these children experience this type of humiliation? What type of pleasure 'do' you get from watching this form of entertainment?
Sick individuals defend a selfish mother hell-bent on walking all over her children while pretending it's all 'her' making the money, etc. Those kids work and pay for their own upkeep, trips, and schooling. Without her children on tv Kate would never have been able to afford her lypo, fake boobs, fake hair, fake nails etc.
Why can't Kate make it without using her children to enhance her career??? Is she that much of a failure in life? Why can't she just be a normal working mom like 50% of the female population? Why in God's name do you continue to defend her behaviour? ? I just don't get it.
Please tell me what we know about Bristol's child. Is he shy and quiet or outgoing? What is he into? Is he a leader or a follower? Who is he most attached to? What's his favorite toy, favorite food? What doesn't he like? What is his relationship with his cousin who is the same age and his aunts and uncles?
Oh that's right, we know NOTHING about that kid.
Now pick any tup at random and see how many things you can think of we know about them.
somebody said... "There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much"
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What? I own my home and you bet I want to be applauded for it. Did Bristol Palin enslave her baby into a reality surveillance show? No? Well, neither did I, and my kids have been on TV about as much as her baby has.
I dont know how she is getting her money, but it sure isnt by charging $20 for pictures of her kid, or a quarter of a million dollars an episode for gawkers to see him crying, screaming, frightned, feverish, vomiting, impacted, and humiliated. (I know, that's entertainment for you, isnt it?)
Please tell me what we know about Bristol's child. Is he shy and quiet or outgoing? What is he into? Is he a leader or a follower? Who is he most attached to? What's his favorite toy, favorite food? What doesn't he like? What is his relationship with his cousin who is the same age and his aunts and uncles?
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Have we seen Tripp's bare butt on television? Have we seen him sitting on a potty? Have we seen him crying in pain because he was constipated? Have we seen him having feces dug out of his behind? Have we seen Bristol order him to sit on the garage steps while she told him that she better not hear him breathe?
Bristol had her son on camera? WOW! Send in CPS! By the Double Standard's comment, then, EVERY celebrity whose child appears in a magazine, or who makes any kind of appearance with their child is guilty of exploiting a child? Get real! The act of exploiting implies an injust use for selfish motives/profits. Bristol is "using" Tripp because she's selfish? I can't imagine anyone other than a sheeple coming up with something like this!
These sheeple -- I'm telling you, if these comments wouldn't be so darned pathetic, they'd almost be amusing. Equating Kate's years of filming the crap out of her kids, as well as displaying their private moments on national television, with a few photos of Bristol's sons...and then calling it a double standard!
But, what can you expect from them? You just take it with the proverbial grain of salt and move on. That's all you can do.
Please tell me what we know about Bristol's child. Is he shy and quiet or outgoing? What is he into? Is he a leader or a follower? Who is he most attached to? What's his favorite toy, favorite food? What doesn't he like? What is his relationship with his cousin who is the same age and his aunts and uncles?
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Have we seen Tripp's bare butt on television? Have we seen him sitting on a potty? Have we seen him crying in pain because he was constipated? Have we seen him having feces dug out of his behind? Have we seen Bristol order him to sit on the garage steps while she told him that she better not hear him breathe?
Bristol had her son on camera? WOW! Send in CPS! By the Double Standard's comment, then, EVERY celebrity whose child appears in a magazine, or who makes any kind of appearance with their child is guilty of exploiting a child? Get real! The act of exploiting implies an injust use for selfish motives/profits. Bristol is "using" Tripp because she's selfish? I can't imagine anyone other than a sheeple coming up with something like this!
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She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son.
She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& You've got to be kidding. I didn't realize you couldn't even talk about your child or you would be exploiting them.
Need I remind everyone that no one really had Kate's number for at least the first year or so. It was the repeated, relentless, consistent acts of exploitation that caught people's eye. Subsequent to that when it just continued and continued, it caught the rest of America's eye and she was done in the court of public opinion. Fool me 100 times shame on me.
I disagree Double Standards. There is no "it's either exploitation or it's not." This is not a black and white issue or there wouldn't be so much disagreement about it. I do not require Bristol Palin to be a perfect parent no more than I require Kate to be. Kate got cut a LOT of slack by me for literally years. If Bristol Palin exploited her child 7 days a week 365 days a year, she might start attracting attention. You cannot seriously be comparing a few speaking engagements to what Kate has done to these children.
When they say it's just Kate we gripe about, you know what, that's true. Because I cannot think of an example of any reality tv kid in America who has had their life so envaded and spit up and chewed out as these eight have. It's the absolute worst example out there of the absolute worst that can happen if you do this to your kid, so naturally it's getting most of the attention. I hope Bristol has and continues to learn from it.
Charlie Sheen makes better decisions than Kate. Charlie Sheen.
Have you noticed these questions I asked, "is he a leader or follower, what is he into" etc etc, are really only questions you should know the answer to if the child is your own child, a close relative, a child you are nannying for or for some other reason working closely with such as if you are a therapist, or a close friend's child?
But NOT some random child you have never met before in your life?
Hi LindaO - aka Not Quite, It helps, Double Standard, Facts Matter. It's so cute how you're pretending to be 4 different obnoxious Kate fans instead of just your usual (drive by pick an argument for something to do) self.
I know things are hard right now over there-what with creating more fake name fan(atics), bashing Jon and ignoring the whole FIRE LANE fiasco, but you'll never win with G8 'lovers' over here. The kids ACTUALLY matter to us. You're drivel just keeps slopping up the page.
By the way if Kate ever drowns a bag of kittens, will it be their fault because the kittens were cuddling too loud?
"She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son."
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I think that you are the only ONE arguing that...ONE of a flock of misguided sheeple who wandered over here to throw some of their manure this way. It will never work. The people here are too intelligent, and too wise to fall for the crap thrown out by the sheeple on a daily basis.
Didn't we say that these sheeple should be ignored, and Admin commented that she agreed that we shouldn't feed them? Let them get their dinner elsewhere. Maybe Kate has some left over chicken sammonella for them! I'm sure they would partake, with gusto, anything she would prepare for them! Just don't throw it up on this side of the fence! Keep it in your own pasture.
Maybe this analogy will help them understand. Say your child comes home with a note from the teacher. He punched another student. It's the second time it's happened in five years. He's not a violent kid. Do you write him off as a bully and deviant and put him in boot camp? Probably not. Now let's say that same kid punches students every day, or every other day. By the third or fourth week you might think this kid has some serious issues that need to be dealt with.
Same with Kate. She had a few missteps along the way. But then her missteps became constant and relentless. Now she's like that student picking fights daily and we're not falling for it anymore.
Double Standards Everywhere said... She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son. -----------------------------------------
Ummm....she's not sitting her son on stage as a prop. Bristol is using the experience of having a child in her teens to help teach others to be more responsible about their sexual activity.
Dear Sheeple: Please go here. (I won't post on your sites) This is what Kate thought of you at the height of her popularity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSSoZHDWgY fast forward to 2:33 .
I've said the same about Bristol. She's the perfect spokesperson for abstinence because she played the game (sex before marriage) and lost. Now she can tell her story of what her life is like. She doesn't need to bring her son to the picture because it's her story. Her son is the result of a choice she made but the story is not her son, the story is actually about the decision that she made.
I think she's a great mom. She lives in a modest home in a community that had low prices on homes, she made a good investment in a home and schooling and hopefully it all turns out well for her.
There is no comparison between Kate and Bristol and it should be a moot argument. Kate steps all over the backs of her children (while she films their lives) for fame. Bristol doesn't.
The sheeple think that the G kids getting exploited to death on TV is so cute & precious when they are puking, or crying, or saying they want to die, or passing out from heat exhaustion because TLC puts this cutesy music on the background. Like, Oh, how happy the kids are that they are rolling around in their own vomit! Exploit time! The kids don't mind, they're not of age to consent to such things, they don't understand, so it must be OK right? Let's add some much needed upbeat happy, cheesy music. At least, from Admin's recaps, that's what they do. Pretty low blow IMO. I just hate that TLC thinks that it is OK to do that when the kids are suffering. I am so glad I stopped watching long ago, I wish more would follow suit.
K8 was not easy to work/get along with before she met Jon. K8 manipulated her fetility treatments and was rewarded with twins and sextups. K8 was nasty and greedy about donations and with the many volunteers who helped. K8 has exploited her children for 6+ years so she could have the lifestyle of the rich and famous. K8 is a pathological liar.
K8 has a long history of selfish, narcissistic behavior. There is a PATTERN here, I don't understand why it's so hard for some to see it.
As for Bristol, as others have noted, she is not the first and certainly not the last person to benefit from a famous family member. I say as long as Bristol (or anyone else) uses that famous name to do some good, go for it. If Bristol wants to use her own experience to caution other teens about the risks of teenage sex, good for her. As for her gig on DWTS, she absolutely should not have been there as she is not a star or celeb and she was not the best dancer. That said, she seemed very sweet, worked hard and respected her partner. She also handled herself with dignity despite the negativity over her dancing, weight and mom.
I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
Please go here. (I won't post on your sites) This is what Kate thought of you at the height of her popularity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSSoZHDWgY fast forward to 2:33 .
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Good grief. She's sitting there, signing books while chomping on gum with an open mouth. I've seen cows chewing their cuds more tactfully than that. Didn't anyone, her PR people, or Steve, her handler, tell her that you don't meet your adoring public with a mouth full of gum? How disrespectful that looks to the people who came to meet her? She wants to be so much, and yet she has no class whatsoever. Wow...
Marie said, "I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner."
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I'm not sure that I understand this. I haven't seen anyone on this blog "panicking." I'm sure that after the airing of the show this week, things will be humming on both fronts, quite possibly helping anyone who is writing any books.
Aw, I'm glad they had fun! I remember going to tons of birthday parties at our local skating rink (Skate Palace) when I was a kid. It was so much fun! I'm still bummed that they replaced Skate Palace with a daycare...
BerksPa, I like your recent comment addressed to Double Standards and other Sheeple. I’ve been waiting a long time to see just one single sheeple post a lucid response to questions like yours. I really want to know how they justify Kate’s actions but they’re only good for drive-by taunts, not explanations. I’ve come to the conclusion that they have no justification – they just love Kate unconditionally – the way the rest of us love our children. They don’t see anything negative. If she’s shown in a bad light from time to time it’s someone else’s fault. I looked at the YouTube clip you posted and this was Kate at the height of popularity. Just look at her adoring public! She still had most of us fooled back then. The trouble with the last remaining sheeple is they’re caught in a Kate-time-warp. They look at her today and still see that sweet mom in the clip.
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You nailed it, Hippie Chick! I saw an actual sheeple comment a couple of months ago and I quote: “Why can’t people just enjoy this cute little show?” This is all part and parcel of their unconditional Kate love. When they look at this show they only see cuteness and priceless memories in the making. Oh, and great mothering!
I don't know why anyone here would care what the sheeple think. I haven't visited a sheeple blog in over two years and I have no reason to now. They are either phonies that are yanking our chains for their pleasure, or they are young girls with no maternal insticts. That's my opinion. Arguing with them is a complete waste of time because NOTHING will change their opinions.
I say as long as Bristol (or anyone else) uses that famous name to do some good, go for it. If Bristol wants to use her own experience to caution other teens about the risks of teenage sex, good for her. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do.
I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
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Yes, it’s slim pickin’s at the moment. There's a distinct pattern evolving as Kate news and pictures dwindle. The doldrums set in then a little bickering starts and then a sheeple remark appears so we can relieve our boredom on the sheep.
Although I can't help but wonder what people will do when she's completely gone, I hope the E! story is the true beginning of the end. That said, I expect TLC to air another special closely following the story to coincide with the flurry of tabloid and blog talk. There’s a distinct feeling of anticipation for the E! story in the world of Kate followers. The “haters” are hoping for a tell-all that will cover every one of her lies and her fans are preparing to go to battle and are making lists of everyone they’ll blame if the story ends up showing Kate in a bad light.
At this point, I’m more interested in how the blogs/bloggers will react when and if this is the real end of the Sad Saga of the not so great Kate. If the tabloids and paps cannot wring another penny out of her notoriety there will be no links or pictures to stimulate lengthy conversations and reminiscing about her bad behavior and extreme narcissism.
Maybe the bloggers will just continue beating a dead horse for decades. Maybe the kids will never know a moment of privacy or have even a normal day.
You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do.
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It's a pretty well understood fact that teenagers tend more to listen to their peers, as in people their own age, who have had the same experiences they have, than to listen to a bunch of adults they feel are "preaching" to them and who don't understand what they're feeling. Who better than Bristol Palen and others who have been through it?
You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do.
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Personally,I think that Bristol is the perfect person to campaign for abstinence. She has lived it and will live with her decision for the rest of her and her baby's life.
The sheeple always argue about "walking a mile in K8's shoes". Well, Bristol has walked a mile in the teen-pregnancy shoes and is speaking out about it.
just wondering and all the others who cannot see the forest through the trees , really, is it that exciting for you to come here to stir the pot?
I found an article from almost two years ago I think.The comments section was pretty interesting : "what a scam Posted by Anonymous | Feb. 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM COMMENT: Too bad for the Gosselins Rothermel and the state unemployment office arent bound by the same confidentiality clauses her fertility doctors are. She better hope that true story never sees the light of day." (interesting...)
From the article,this line made my day(I found it really funny and true at the same time) “We had no van … no car seats … no cribs, we didn’t have room in our house, we had no income,” she sniffles, and her fans nod in sympathy. They’ve watched. They know. " Here's the full article: http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon_and_kate_gosselin/
"I’ve been waiting a long time to see just one single sheeple post a lucid response to questions like yours. I really want to know how they justify Kate’s actions but they’re only good for drive-by taunts, not explanations. I’ve come to the conclusion that they have no justification..."
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I think that it goes back to the old 16th century Machiavellian doctrine that the end justifies the means when he theorized that security (the end) is more important than what means were used to get there (morality). Of course, Sheeple wouldn't understand any of this, but when applied to Kate, they would embrace this principle. They see that the end (lavish lifestyle, endless trips, material possessions) are the most important, and it doesn't matter that she got there by exploiting her children (the means).
You know, the sheeple claim you chastise Kate and ignore other people who according to them do the same as Kate.They say we hate Kate because it mmakes us feel better about ourselves,it's not that we care about the kids.They even went as far as saying it's us the G kids hate, because we won't leave them alone. A couple of years back, there was this child star from Mexic(?) you know one of those kids who play in soap operas and I remember there was a clip of her on a site,she was about 8 and she had just gone to the dentist and she was crying because the doctor had pulled a tooth out.I though a camera being there in that moment was so invasive and abnormal. I was appalled by that video,that 5 minutes dentist video, I have no words to describe how I feel about children's vomit being shown on TV,or potty training sessions or bath time.I would be just as appalled if it were any other child in this world.I am convinced everyone here would be just as appalled regardless of who the children are. But of course,we hate Kate is the sheeple's grate defense for Kate so..
I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
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Yay, yippee & hooray!! You mean, Kate hasn't been tanning, running to Target & getting her nails done? That's all she frigin does, isn't it? Maybe, just maybe, INF wised up & realized how BORING pictures of Kate running her lame-ass errands are to look at. I know I don't click on those pictures. I have my own boring, mindless errands to run, they don't involve tanning & mani/pedis...but you get my drift. Kate is just so damn predictable. She is not out there helping at a charity, or dishing out food to the homeless, or spending QUALITY time with her kids most importantly. Nope, she is just selfishly doing her own tedious, mundane, monotonous routine. Every chance she gets, to get her vain, sadistic mug in the rags or on the web.
I hope we don't see her & she doesn't pull another stupid stunt to stay relevant. I think Kate feels like she NEEDS to pull dumb acts to stay in the limelight. Do real & SMART celebs do that? Nope. Just fake & DUMB ones. And desperate ones. (I've been ranting a lot! I promise I won't for awhile!) Sorry all! :) ~Peace, <3, :)
You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice?\
((((((((((((((((((((( Just wondering: Continue to wonder because al you are doing here is arguing to get a rise out of bloggers. It doesn't work. It's baloney, and with any smarts at all, you'd know it.
Your "logic" (and I use that term loosely) is astonishing. With this argument, then no drug or alcohol addicts who have recovered should share their experiences with anyone? They made mistakes and are trying to help others who might be going down the same road. Should they should hide in a closet and make no effort to relate the horrors of addiction to those who might benefit from hearing about a personal experience? If a teenager who has been convicted of DUI that resulted in a death would go around to colleges and universities making speeches against driving and drinking (and yes, they do get paid for it) they shouldn't do it because they knew drinking and driving was wrong but nevertheless did it anyway? They shouldn't appeal to the hundreds of college students that drinking and driving does indeed kill?
The way I see it, Kate should be bashed on blogs for the rest of her life, even after she's long out of the spotlight and not recognized anymore.
She has all but set her kids up for a lifetime of problems from the fallout of being exploited, so she should have to feel the same pain.
Why should Kate get to fade off into the sunset with her millions, while the children begin their lives as teens and adults saddled with emotional issues because of the show?
I want Kate to still be trashed on blogs even when she's 67 years old and all the younger generations are saying "I've never heard of the Gosselins".
She deserves to have a life of people talking smack about her for what she chose to do to her children for her own financial windfall. You can bet there will always be something to dig at her about, because she deserves it. She made her bed and will have to lie in it.
I want her to be on her deathbed and know that people still remember what a horrible mother she was...even if the show ended 50 years ago.
But you know what? All she would have to do to stop it is say, "I was wrong. I messed up. The show is done. I should've listened to what people were saying. I need to help my kids for what I've done to them."
That will never happen, though. She could care less what her kids are going to face as adults, as long as she's got her mansion and tanning money.
What's next? said... Marie said... I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
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Yes, it’s slim pickin’s at the moment. There's a distinct pattern evolving as Kate news and pictures dwindle. The doldrums set in then a little bickering starts and then a sheeple remark appears so we can relieve our boredom on the sheep.
Although I can't help but wonder what people will do when she's completely gone, I hope the E! story is the true beginning of the end. That said, I expect TLC to air another special closely following the story to coincide with the flurry of tabloid and blog talk. There’s a distinct feeling of anticipation for the E! story in the world of Kate followers. The “haters” are hoping for a tell-all that will cover every one of her lies and her fans are preparing to go to battle and are making lists of everyone they’ll blame if the story ends up showing Kate in a bad light.
At this point, I’m more interested in how the blogs/bloggers will react when and if this is the real end of the Sad Saga of the not so great Kate. If the tabloids and paps cannot wring another penny out of her notoriety there will be no links or pictures to stimulate lengthy conversations and reminiscing about her bad behavior and extreme narcissism.
Maybe the bloggers will just continue beating a dead horse for decades. Maybe the kids will never know a moment of privacy or have even a normal day.
Why are you so interested in what the bloggers will do when the show finally ends? We've said, over and over and over, that we'll be happy when the show ends and the kids have a private life that they've worked hard for and richly deserve. Contrary to your opinion, we do have other interests and we'll have no trouble filling the few minutes we spend each day on the Gosselins with something else and we'll be just fine.
The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
The phenomenon of reality tv and the effects of filming children from infancy and for such a lengthly period of time is just now taking place and the results won't be known until the kids are well into adulthood. They WILL be talked about for many, many years to com.
Perhaps some good might come from this tragedy after all; maybe other families will learn what NOT to do and laws will be enacted to protect children from fame and money hungry parents and exploitative networks.
BTW, Kate and Jon are to blame for their children having no privacy - not the bloggers.
So the blogger who is writing the book....isn't she exploiting the kids and trying to make a dime off their backs also? She can use any brush she wants to paint the picture but exploitation is exploitation.
E! debuts True Hollywood Story about Kate Gosselin Let me save you the time: fertility treatment. Twins. Fertility treatment. Sextuplets. Plastic surgery. Reality show. Divorce. Hair. Reality show. Reality show. Reality show.
(me now) Hahaha!! Reality show. Reality show...Yes Kate...keep it up. That is ALL you are. A reality show famewhore. Sad. Sad. Sad.
just wondering said: "Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do."
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Apparently, the CW is developing a show where average people hang out with celebs they detest the most called 'H8R'. Did they get that idea from Twist of Kate??
There is a difference between exploiting and reaching out.
It seems to me that Bristol is telling teens that your place in society, your wealth, your fame, your upbringing, etc. do not keep you from getting pregnant. Everyone is on equal footing when it comes to the risk of getting pregnant if precautions are not taken, or if they are not used correctly. If you are the Queen of the Universe or if you are a street dweller, every woman has to take control of her body, make reasonable decisions, and then deal with any unplanned circumstances.
Bristol is going farther than that, though. She is advocating abstinance. I know that will fall on deaf ears, but at least she is showing that the risks of young sex are physical, emotional and financial risks.
I don't care what her last name is. If she can get a message out to teens, boys and girls alike, I'm all for it.
Laurie said... So the blogger who is writing the book....isn't she exploiting the kids and trying to make a dime off their backs also? She can use any brush she wants to paint the picture but exploitation is exploitation.
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I totally agree. I just don't think it's right that she claims to be for the kids, and turns around and puts this out there for them to see, and profits from it.
I'm not convinced of her true motives for doing what she does ( with her blog and now book ). Me thinks somebody else is trying to be famous off the backs of children.
If it's the unrealness of reality shows that is her beef, why did she choose to write only of the Gosselins, when there are buttloads of reality shows that are produced the same ways?
I don't mean to bash her, I think she's a nice lady, but I think it is VERY hypocritical of her to put this book out. And I feel she is just using the Gosselin kids as a stepping stone to further her own career and name.
The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
Don't forget therapists, lawyers, GAL's, judges, etc.
Blog Away, People said...The way I see it, Kate should be bashed on blogs for the rest of her life, even after she's long out of the spotlight and not recognized anymore....I want Kate to still be trashed on blogs even when she's 67 years old...
We'll be just fine said...Contrary to your opinion, we do have other interests and we'll have no trouble filling the few minutes we spend each day on the Gosselins with something else and we'll be just fine. ___________________________________
@We'll be just fine, I think there's a difference in opinion among the bloggers. Perhaps now you can see why I said, "Maybe the bloggers will just continue beating a dead horse for decades."
I'll be very glad when there is no more "news" about Kate and the kids although I worry that she has irreperably damaged them and will, most likely, do so until they are old enough to venture out on their own. To those posters that think we won't have anything to occupy our time if the Kate blogs close I have to say this: HA HA HA! I've got more than enough on my plate as it is. Turn your attention to the Sheeple blogs they are the ones who seem to be totally invested in Kate.
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
For some reason, my last post didn't make it but I've been having some odd techie probs here lately. ( I have to click 'post comment' 3 times )
ANYWAY....I think enough have responded to you, just wondering, and have already very perfectly stated what I would have written. Your "logic" is completely ILlogical to say the least.
A little housekeeping...I've looked online and cannot find the answer as to why some people have to click "post comment" two or three times before it goes through. If anyone else is interested in trying to find the solution to this I'd very much appreciate. I have the same problem and it's annoying.
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
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No problem, Frequent visitor :o)
I have no desire to watch any program that features that creature.
Administrator said... A little housekeeping...I've looked online and cannot find the answer as to why some people have to click "post comment" two or three times before it goes through. If anyone else is interested in trying to find the solution to this I'd very much appreciate. I have the same problem and it's annoying.
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I have found that if I click on "Post Comment" without typing anything (and you will get a little red message that says COMMENT SHOULD NOT BE BLANK) and then go ahead and type and post, it goes through faster.
In my non-tech mind, it's almost as if I have to wake up the posting function, otherwise I have to click 4 times to get a comment to go through.
Susantoyota said... The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
Don't forget therapists, lawyers, GAL's, judges, etc.
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I also predict sociology courses on why and how in the WORLD folks saw this happening to these small children and DID LITTLE until the damage to the children was complete and there was nothing left to watch . Studies into HOW did a cable network manipulate us into thinking this was delightful entertainment. In fact, some people even clustered together to defend a mother's 'right' to abuse her children on TV for pay - studies will be done about who THOSE folks are and how watching this unbalanced them.
It will include Octo-mom, who tried to cash in too, to the detriment of 14 children; all the teen mother shows which display abhorrent parenting and parental acting out... The list is still going on.
Weighing more heavily than damage to a family unit will be the destruction done to the individual person. To a young man or young woman whose last name is Gosselin who was forced to grow up this way and is now a miserable, non-functioning human being. When not even a judge would lift a finger to save them.
Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings.
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As far as I know, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, no ratings will go to her as a result of this show. This is not TLC programming. Kate Plus Eight will not get anything out of this.
Bristol Palin being paid for supporting abstinence is 10000000 x better than the teenage moms being paid for their "stories" on tv and in the mags. IMO, THOSE girls , and everyone else involved , are the ones that are glorifying and exploiting this alarming trend. I read recently that there are 90 teens who are pregnant or already have a baby at a Memphis high school. If Bristol can make even one young girl think twice, that's a good thing.
Laurie said... So the blogger who is writing the book....isn't she exploiting the kids and trying to make a dime off their backs also? She can use any brush she wants to paint the picture but exploitation is exploitation.
Laurie, I totally agree. I think it is completely hypocritical that another blog owner is writing a book about the G8. However, having said that I am doubtful that there will be any more of her books sold than Kate's latest book. I must admit I did read her friend's book and what a total waste of money it was (and terribly written).
So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
To me, that makes as much sense as saying someone writing a book about losing weight is promoting eating disorders. What?
Laurie, I totally agree. I think it is completely hypocritical that another blog owner is writing a book about the G8. However, having said that I am doubtful that there will be any more of her books sold than Kate's latest book. I must admit I did read her friend's book and what a total waste of money it was (and terribly written).
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I don't waste my time reading books from self-professed writers who claim to be authors. It's a struggle just to get through a poorly-written book, and you wonder where the editors were and how in the world that thing got published. I think that there are a few who are capitalizing...trying to profit off these kids, and it's shameful. It all comes down to the ego thing, and trying to make a name in the Gosselin saga, not to mention the hope of some cash coming their way. These tell-all writers are a dime a dozen, and that's exactly how much they make from their sales -- a dime.
So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
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The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids? The previous book written that was supposed to be a tell-all was nothing more than a spitting out and compilation of what was reported in the blogs and various other internet "sources."
And yes, it IS making money off the backs of the kids, no matter how one tries to spin it.
The book by WG is not a tell all. She's described it as "interviews, discussions and essays from experts and others who've watched the Gosselin saga since the beginning as well as authorities on the entertainment industry, television production, and reality TV." It's about reality tv's impact on the family, not up close and personal stories. How about we not judge the book or it's author until it's been released and someone has read it?
So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
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The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids? The previous book written that was supposed to be a tell-all was nothing more than a spitting out and compilation of what was reported in the blogs and various other internet "sources."
And yes, it IS making money off the backs of the kids, no matter how one tries to spin it.
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THE TRUTH? Kate & the truth do not go togther. She lies, and lies, and lies, and lies- sometimes so blatantly that it's laughable!
Say what you will, but you can't deny the truth that those 8 innocent children are being EXPLOITED and EXPOSED TO THE WORLD by their own MOTHER- and that's a mighty low down crappy thing to do to your 8 little blessings.
Stop blaming the messenger for trying to bring attention to the Gosselin 8's dilemma.
**P.S. Kate is f**ked through and through- and if more people don't speak up, her children will be f**ked as well. The days of keeping quiet are done- deal with it.
I agree with y'all who say that AL Walentis' book was a waste of time. It was nothing but a trash job of Jon, designed to show him in the worst possible light, while ignoring Kate's role in the whole debacle. However, Werny Gal contributed a chapter to that book, and what she had to say not only made a lot of sense, it was fairly well-written. It's a mistake to assume that just because a book is self-published, that it must be trash. Because many publishing companies are dropping even best-selling authors, many authors are going to self-publishing. I recently had a brief email discussion with an author who writes a cozy series I'm particularly fond of. His last book in the series was a best seller and nominated for several mystery writer awards, but his publisher dropped him because his readership "didn't grow fast enough". Let's wait until Werny Gal's book comes out before we judge the contents, and her. By the same token, let's wait until the E!THS airs before we decide that it's just a puff piece to glorify Kate.
All This Is That said... The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids?
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And yet when one asks the bloggers why they blog, they will tell you it's because they want people to know the truth about Kate.
Where do the bloggers find the truth? Isn't it from the same sources you mention?
"And yet when one asks the bloggers why they blog, they will tell you it's because they want people to know the truth about Kate."
Where do the bloggers find the truth? Isn't it from the same sources you mention? ____________________________
Bloggers are at a disadvantage when trying to find the truth because there are so many versions of the "truth" that exist. Kate doesn't even know the truth, so how can bloggers be expected to know what she doesn't?
That said there are bloggers who do know her, have met her, and/or have had enough personal experiences with her to know what she is like as a person and as a mom. These people could write a credible story, but so far, haven't stepped forward to do so.
If I were reading a non-fiction book on the "story," I would find it much more believable if the book contained interviews with the subject, and confirmed sources rather than a rehashing of what had been reported as "the truth" ad infinitum.
Case in point. I've been friends with a major celebrity for many, many years. Some years ago, a "true story of -----" was made about this person. The movie was based on heresay and speculation. While there were parts of it that were true and actually took place, the movie not only was historically incorrect and continued so many distorted facts, the end result was a joke. There were many die-hard fans, as well as biographers and historians who spotted the inaccuracies and actually would have done a better job at writing a screenplay.
In contrast, a television movie was later made about the same person. This time, the writer got the "facts" from the horse's mouth, and the subject was interviewed at length. The result was an accurate portrayal of this person, his/her background, bio, etc. They did a nice job with it.
Additionally, there have been a plethora of books written about my friend. I've read many of them, and I'd ask him/her about parts that left me curious. His/her reply was, "that never happened." How do these authors come up with what turns out to be pure fiction, or in the very least, a distortion of the facts? It's anyone's guess.
If future books on the Gosselin are written, and I would believe that there will be a few "truth about" stories that will come out, I think I'd take them with the proverbial grain of salt. It may be juicy reading, but separating fact from fiction would be difficult because there have been so many versions of the truth tossed about on the internet, in magazines, and on blogs. It may very well be a case of "the boy who cried wolf." If a book is written that is based on fact, readers will have been so fed up with the pseudo tell-all books, that they won't be able to distinguish a credible book from the garden variety ones that have previously been written.
It's up to the reader what he wants to believe, knowing that the "truth" is either many times nebulous, or will forever be out of reach.
It's up to the reader what he wants to believe, knowing that the "truth" is either many times nebulous, or will forever be out of reach.
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Your post confirms, in my mind, at least, that the bloggers, by continuing to rehash her every move as a way to get the truth out to people who don't know what a terrible person Kate is, are spinning their wheels. AND have given her an inflated view of herself. Kate herself has said, "...Because I don't have time to do anything different, contrary to the very popular belief of the world that things are different."
And may I add, continuing to keep her name a commodity is only furthering the exploitation of her children.
Kate will continue to be the biggest reason for her own downfall. My fervent wish is for everyone to leave her to her own destructive devices and let the ensuing silence be a beginning of peace for those kids.
Hmm....after further reading here..it seems that it has always been the fire lane and not any handicapped spaces involved when Kate's parked illegally. Sorry about that inaccuracy.
Hmm....after further reading here..it seems that it has always been the fire lane and not any handicapped spaces involved when Kate's parked illegally. Sorry about that inaccuracy.
"And yet when one asks the bloggers why they blog, they will tell you it's because they want people to know the truth about Kate."
Where do the bloggers find the truth? Isn't it from the same sources you mention? ____________________________
Bloggers are at a disadvantage when trying to find the truth because there are so many versions of the "truth" that exist. Kate doesn't even know the truth, so how can bloggers be expected to know what she doesn't?
That said there are bloggers who do know her, have met her, and/or have had enough personal experiences with her to know what she is like as a person and as a mom. These people could write a credible story, but so far, haven't stepped forward to do so.
If I were reading a non-fiction book on the "story," I would find it much more believable if the book contained interviews with the subject, and confirmed sources rather than a rehashing of what had been reported as "the truth" ad infinitum.
Case in point. I've been friends with a major celebrity for many, many years. Some years ago, a "true story of -----" was made about this person. The movie was based on heresay and speculation. While there were parts of it that were true and actually took place, the movie not only was historically incorrect and continued so many distorted facts, the end result was a joke. There were many die-hard fans, as well as biographers and historians who spotted the inaccuracies and actually would have done a better job at writing a screenplay.
In contrast, a television movie was later made about the same person. This time, the writer got the "facts" from the horse's mouth, and the subject was interviewed at length. The result was an accurate portrayal of this person, his/her background, bio, etc. They did a nice job with it.
Additionally, there have been a plethora of books written about my friend. I've read many of them, and I'd ask him/her about parts that left me curious. His/her reply was, "that never happened." How do these authors come up with what turns out to be pure fiction, or in the very least, a distortion of the facts? It's anyone's guess.
If future books on the Gosselin are written, and I would believe that there will be a few "truth about" stories that will come out, I think I'd take them with the proverbial grain of salt. It may be juicy reading, but separating fact from fiction would be difficult because there have been so many versions of the truth tossed about on the internet, in magazines, and on blogs. It may very well be a case of "the boy who cried wolf." If a book is written that is based on fact, readers will have been so fed up with the pseudo tell-all books, that they won't be able to distinguish a credible book from the garden variety ones that have previously been written.
It's up to the reader what he wants to believe, knowing that the "truth" is either many times nebulous, or will forever be out of reach.
So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
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The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids? The previous book written that was supposed to be a tell-all was nothing more than a spitting out and compilation of what was reported in the blogs and various other internet "sources."
And yes, it IS making money off the backs of the kids, no matter how one tries to spin it.
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THE TRUTH? Kate & the truth do not go togther. She lies, and lies, and lies, and lies- sometimes so blatantly that it's laughable!
Say what you will, but you can't deny the truth that those 8 innocent children are being EXPLOITED and EXPOSED TO THE WORLD by their own MOTHER- and that's a mighty low down crappy thing to do to your 8 little blessings.
Stop blaming the messenger for trying to bring attention to the Gosselin 8's dilemma.
**P.S. Kate is f**ked through and through- and if more people don't speak up, her children will be f**ked as well. The days of keeping quiet are done- deal with it.
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
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No problem, Frequent visitor :o)
I have no desire to watch any program that features that creature.
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
I'll be very glad when there is no more "news" about Kate and the kids although I worry that she has irreperably damaged them and will, most likely, do so until they are old enough to venture out on their own. To those posters that think we won't have anything to occupy our time if the Kate blogs close I have to say this: HA HA HA! I've got more than enough on my plate as it is. Turn your attention to the Sheeple blogs they are the ones who seem to be totally invested in Kate.
The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
Don't forget therapists, lawyers, GAL's, judges, etc.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 205 Newer› Newest»I, for one, wish it wasn't reported at all. These parents put their kids out there and now their every movement, experience, body language, facial expression, etc., etc., etc., is analyzed and speculated on by all sides to the nth degree. It's just not fair to them - they didn't ask for any of it. For example, I just read the kids look like ragamuffins at the end of the day - because their mother doesn't take care of them - and I think, 'That's just how we used to look at the end of the day, after 3 recesses and our hair had fallen out of our braids or ponytails and the static electricity did a number on it as we pulled on our coats.' They're little kids; they shouldn't be photographed and picked over because people hate their parents. I listened to that Nina Frye thing today and I really fear for their those kids and their futures.
However, and I know it's ironic for me to say this given I don't like seeing stories about the kids, I do find it funny that the sheeple are giving Ellen credit for leaking this story. What these people think that girl has to gain by leaking stories is beyond me. She's obviously not getting rich if she's doing it. Kate does a pretty good job of making herself look very bad, Jon taking the kids skating has nothing to do with Kate, but I guess it's all deflection.
And the story goes on.......and on and on and on and on. It's so sad.
That's great to hear.
Now the sheeple will say Ellen leaked the info to make Jon look good.... I didn't have to call the psychic hotline for this because the sheeple are so predicta-baaaaah.
Gather.come is not the "normal" venue to leak Gosselin stories. I think the repeat offenders go to Radar and INF, that's where all these stories come from. Why would someone they believe is a so-called regular leaker all of a sudden go to a brand new completely different celeb site?
I don't know who leaked it, but why couldn't it have been one of the many other adults who were surely at the roller rink? I assume most of the kids there actually had a parent with them or at least dropping them off. These kids are exposed to all kinds of adults with all kinds of motivations.
There is absolutely no proof WHO leaked this. They don't want us to accuse Kate of anything without hard evidence, yet have absolutely zero proof who leaked this? The double standard is outrageous.
The sad truth is that probably for many years to come, the children won't be able to trust anyone who comes around them, be it another parent, a teacher, a friend, an employee, a girlfriend, a boyfriend, random people who happen to see them. All these people can so easily run to the press.
I really don't know how these kids deal with the emotional stress of going out in public knowing it could easily be leaked by ANYONE. Their parents did this to them, pure and simple. Their lives have been permanently altered from the norm.
How did Ellen leak all the stories out of Australia and NZ? She has a secret half-Kiwi sister who stalked them the whole time and fed her back info?
I have mixed feelings about this report. I think it is rather sad that I am happy that these children are doing something so perfectly normal with their devoted father.
Logic, that's funny! The sheeple just keep on baaa-ing the same old thing over and over. It seems they could find a new person to blame for a change. The problem with the sheeple is that no one is perfect, not one single person. But they see her as perfect. The head sheeple actually called Kate 'beloved' on her site today. I am serious. 'My beloved Kate' were her words. It's really gone beyond nauseating to sick.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Jon actually has them on a Thursday? I thought those were Kate's days and by damn if she will let Jon see them on her days.
Mimi, Jon's been trying for awhile to get a better custody arrangement. Didn't we hear that he has now also won the right of first refusal? When Kate leaves town and wants to dump the kids on the nanny, she has to offer them to Jon first.
Maybe he's been given another day now, or maybe he exercised his first refusal rights if Kate took off on them again.
And actually it would be nice to think that maybe Jon said hey I know it's not my day but the kids have that birthday party today it sounds fun do you mind if I take them? And Kate said sure no problem.
One can hope.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Jon actually has them on a Thursday? I thought those were Kate's days and by damn if she will let Jon see them on her days.
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The party wasn't on a Thursday. It was last weekend. Kids don't have birthday parties on school days.
I had a kids party on a Thursday.
Admin, you're right. Why can't it be any passing adult or parent who saw them and not a paid "leak."
Logic, LOL - that was funny
Mimi to 3 - "My Beloved Kate"... OKay...I'm not even going to ask who wrote that because I think I have an inkling. That is bordeline certifiable and I feel for the kids if she has any.
Laura D. said...
Hi Roxanne. I saw that too. They're all sure E! will be full of lies and they're e-mailing E! to complain. Someone should post over there that Jon and Kate were both invited to participate in the show but declined. I'm too chicken to do it! Imagine Kate passing up a chance to "set the record straight" lol. She wouldn't know what to say without a TLC earpiece.
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Hi Laura! Really? they are e-mailing E! to complain? Complain about what for God's sake? Yeah, I'm too chicken to go on that blog and mention it too, I mean, there will be IP tracing threats and all sort of stuff(although I live in Romania so I don't see what they could do to me from across the ocean lol)
Also,Admin it never occurred to me that the kids may already be aware of all the press...but now that you mention it,it's just so sad.
Boy is this whole situation nuts. "leaked" story about "roller skating at a birthday party". I can't get over how bizarre this has become, that normal childhood activities are being classified as leaked and that they are newsworthy.
There is no way the party was Wed. or Thur. this week. We were in the middle of a huge snowstorm.
I've also had a kids' birthday party mid-week and my kids have attended parties not held on a weekend. But maybe LancNative knows for sure that this party wasn't held yesterday. BUT does anyone for a minute think Kate would have actually gone to said party and help chaperone/skate/help out????? PLEASE! Even if she uses the excuse that she can't skate, she could stand on the ice and just participate, help the kids put on their skates, helmets etc... like A LOT of parents would, especially since you are bringing 6 of your kids to this party.
Yay they did something fun with their dad & Ellen & had fun & it was normal & looked happy & there was no filming & they all got to hang with friends. Boo that it was reported. Can't these kids ever get out of the spotlight ever?? I put no pass to Kate (or Jon) for signing them up for this many years ago. At least so far, there are no photos. I guess we'll see though. If there are, Jon & Ellen will be to blame. BS. They wouldn't do that to them. Jon is NOT the one leaking the stories, I know it. He wants normalcy for those kids. Kate is the evil one here. She just keeps plugging along with her filming & exposing & lies.
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Jon actually has them on a Thursday? I thought those were Kate's days and by damn if she will let Jon see them on her days.
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Where was it reported that the party was held on a Thursday? It was posted yesterday (Thursday) but Hollybaby says it was last weekend:
"Since Kate Gosselin and the children got back from Australia, Jon, 33, and his girlfriend have cared for the group of eight for two weekends in a row, and last weekend, the proud daddy was even spotted taking them to a roller skating rink!"
Mimi to 3 said...
Logic, that's funny! The sheeple just keep on baaa-ing the same old thing over and over. It seems they could find a new person to blame for a change. The problem with the sheeple is that no one is perfect, not one single person. But they see her as perfect. The head sheeple actually called Kate 'beloved' on her site today. I am serious. 'My beloved Kate' were her words. It's really gone beyond nauseating to sick.
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Apparently, it's too difficult to admit that Kate might be the problem. It's easier to
deflect all negative attention away from their "beloved" Kate, and concentrate on smearing someone else- like Ellen.
Well, I imagine that it is a tough job loving someone as damaged as their beloved Kate- but I guess someone has to do it. Thank God she has her sheeple to back her up. But I think that it's going to get to the point when EVEN the most creative sheeple will not be able to come up with something positive to say about their "beloved" Kate.
Ummmmm, Kate has teeth...
Kate has hair...
Kate walks on two feet...
Kate chews her food...
How many freaking pictures can we see of her picking the kids up from school, going to Target, tanning herself ect....ENOUGH already!! When will people get tired of this repetitive nonsense?? Get rid of this deviant.
"Kate chews her food..."
^^^^^^^^
When she isn't chomping on gum with her mouth open.
I found this article at Perez Hilton's website:
Willow and Jaden Smith are “getting pimped and exploited”, according to NAACP Image Award nominee (2011) and Waiting To Exhale author, Terry McMillan.
After hearing that Willow is simultaneously working on an album and remake of the musical Annie with her dad, Will Smith and Jay-Z, McMillan had this to tweet:
"The Smith children already act like child stars. There's an arrogance in their demeanor and behavior. I find it incredibly sad."
"It feels like the Smith children are being pimped and exploited. Or, they're already hungry for fame. What about 4th grade?"
"A lot of A-list movie stars shielded their children from the Hollywood-world until they were old enough to decide. Look at those who didn't."
"Look at Lindsay. Phoenix. To name but a few. They miss out on childhood. It's more important than fame."
Think that Willow and Jaden are Lucky to have the opportunity to do what they love? Terry calls “Total B.S.”!
She says:
"These kids don't already know what they "love". Total bullshit. They're not prodigies. They think Hollywood is real."
"Why don't they do a remake of The Little Rascals and call it a day? Or, come up with an original film with some ethnic pride. Come on."
"Okay. I've said enough about the Smith children. I'm not debating about them. It's just my opinion. People can justify anything, though."
"I raised my son. I'm not wasting another minute worrying about how Will & Jada are raising their kids."
'My beloved Kate' LOL groannnnnnnn
I never go the haters blogs any longer, because there is so much bzzzz bzzzz about other blogs. It isn't even about Kate anymore, it is about blogs and the admin of those blogs. (Our "beloved" Admin, in particular) LOL I think they pile it on, because they know some "enemies" read their blog. They say, "Kate isn't perfect, that is why I like her". Yet, there isn't one incident that she handled wrong, or did something wrong. So what ARE her faults? LOL
About 6 months ago, one of the times that Kate parked in the fire lane, one supporter actually posted "She probably has a permit to park in the fire lane". WHAT?! Because she is so famous and all she would be allowed to block fire equipment? LOL
I used to read the other blogs to get a different prospective, but no more. The "logic" isn't there. Too bad there is such a disparity in the opinions. Nothing about the POSSIBLE harm to the children. Nothing that even resembles any concern when they were expelled. Even her childish actions in Alaska were blamed on Sarah, I understand. This is my first and last post on the other blogs. IMO they aren't even worth discussing. The absurd excuses are just too juvenile and silly.
Instead of jumping on the "ellen told it", no comments about glad the kids had fun? ANY comments on good the kids had fun? I bet not.
I have to agree about the Smith boy-man, so young and so cocky. He's a ham, and not in a cute way. And his parents just eat it up, too.
Good for the G kids having a ball at a roller skating party. I have such great memories of skating with friends- oh, the disco ball lights, the organ music, the lousy pizza that I loved.
That is truly what kids should be doing. Keep up the great work Jon.
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said... I have read several articles about the Smith kids, with the same theme. I saw the son in an interview, wow, what arrogance that little boy had. He was really bordering on obnoxious. Not his fault, he has been raised in this environment. Sad to see though. Not sure what to think of them.
I just heard about Will Smiths' kid and Annie yesterday and I was thinking the same thing. They are so little yet have these "adult" careers. Something about it does seem very unnatural. That said I know firsthand he is so supportive of his kids, his older son was a high school football star and the family was at almost all of his games. Most celebs send the nanny. He is also tucked away in a secluded part of LA, it's either in Malibu or Agoura not sure. But that area really helps to remove kids from the glamour and glitz of Hollywood. Celebs who truly desire a more "normal" upbringing for the kids often go north to this area to get away. If you live there you sort of already have yourself 2 notches up in my book. Actually one of the theories about the Little House kids coming out of it so normal was because it was filmed in Simi Valley. It was isolated from the negativity of LA, they were so far away from it there weren't many chances to go down there and be a part of it. They were more sheltered from it than say someone right in the heart of it like Danny Bonaduche.
There is no such thing as a permit to park in a fire lane. This summer a Massachuttes school bus driver was spotted parking in the fire lane at a grocery store and someone snapped a photo. It went viral, he was torn apart in the local media. He was reported to the Quincy Board of Education. People went on rampages about how he endangered the lives of the whole store. As well they should. It should never be socially acceptably to endanger other people's lives. Again I ask, if you had to call 911 and Kate was blocking help to your loved one, how would you feel?
Just briefly about the blogs then no more, but I have to say I really get a kick out of how they accuse me of having this big ego. And yet there they are, talking about me all day long. Ha.
"There is no such thing as a permit to park in a fire lane."
Of course there isn't. It is silly AND absurd to even suggest that. I have watched movies being filmed and the FD was there to make sure the hydrants weren't covered up or blocked.
"I really get a kick out of how they accuse me of having this big ego. And yet there they are, talking about me all day long. Ha."
I think it is funny in a way. YOU really are a threat for some reason. OK NO MORE LOL
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Another thought on the Smith kids, I have seen the girl sing, maybe I am old, but with auto tune, she was only "ok". Not that talented IMO. for such a huge project for someone just starting, with little or no talent? I haven't seen the movie the son is in, he just really turned me off in that interview. HUGE stars don't act that way. I hope they can find a happy medium. I know Will is very involved with his kids. I am really surprised that they are "out there" like this, and not concentrating on their school work, and somewhat of a normal life. I read they have onset teachers. Not the same, IMO as the school/friends/activities of a normal kid. It just seems contrary to how WIll has acted with his kids.
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He is also tucked away in a secluded part of LA, it's either in Malibu or Agoura not sure. But that area really helps to remove kids from the glamour and glitz of Hollywood. Celebs who truly desire a more "normal" upbringing for the kids often go north to this area to get away. If you live there you sort of already have yourself 2 notches up in my book.
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I think this is the first time I've heard Malibu described as a place for a "normal" upbringing. Hilarious. If by "normal" you mean extremely privileged, then it's normal alright. There are plenty of middle class suburbs all over LA where kids can have a "normal" upbringing. They don't need to be raised in Malibu to avoid the trappings of Hollywood.
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm very pleased to hear the kids have real friends their own age and are invited to parties. We were talking not too long ago about how they were so isolated from these things. Now we can worry about all this a whole lot less.
I'm equally pleased it was a photo-free day of fun! To hear it happened is different that to
have pictures of it, in this case.
LANative, since I lived in Malibu and was involved at the schools there, I found most of the people there very normal and down to earth. Very different than Hollywood, Bev Hills, Bel Air, those areas.
There are some mansions in Malibu. But far more quiet little neighborhoods with modest 2 and 3 bedroom houses you would see anywhere else. The average income in Malibu is about 150k I believe, that's hardly millions.
I think what's happening is Malibu is often just a weekend retreat or beach house for a lot of people who live full time closer to LA. Those are not the same people your kids are going to school with. The people who have actually made it a full-time home I've found to be lovely overall.
As for Agoura, it's normal American suburbs at its best.
They always show the same millionaire row strip in Malibu in the movies when most of it isnt like that.
Also I didn't say you HAD to be raised there to avoid the trappings in Hollywood, just that it helps to raise kids away from the heart of LA, whether that's there, or Simi Valley, or San Gabriel Valley, or any of the more "normal" suburbs.
Fidos, why would you be in the minority? Every single comment here is about how relieved we are they had a normal outing. On the contrary, you're in the vast majority.
Why would anyone not want them to have a normal birthday party???
Malibu even has a trailer park! lol
Lolly, lol I forgot about that but yes it has TWO trailer parks! I subletted my friend's place there one summer just for kicks, and to help her out. Why not. Those people were the absolute best.
You can go back into some of the canyons and it feels like anywhere USA rural America. There is also this area called Topanga Canyon where you feel like it's Appalacia. I don't mean this as an insult whatsoever, but rather in a nostolgic way. With cute flea markets and little convenience stores and no gas stations anywhere. This place is really a far cry from the Fresh Prince. I would raise kids there any day.
ADMIN, I agree parts of that area are really quaint. Remember Charles Nelson Riley? He used to live there, I was in his home once, a really great quaint place, off the road home. There was a biker bar that was so much fun, not a hells angels bikers type, but mostly locals and it was so much fun. I agree Topanga is great that way, I know what you mean by the comparison. Wow, brings back so many memories. LOL
I didn't know there were 2 trailer parks. I know of the one, kinda pricey, BUT the views are magnificent.
...and thank you for sharing your thoughts. Couldn't agree more.
Admin, I'm reading comments saying they wish it hadn't been reported at all, etc. While I respect that opinion, I'm glad the story was reported, sans pictures. It's comforting to me to hear about these Mommy-free outings with friends, and I wouldn't hear about them unless they were reported by someone.
I hope they had a whale of a good time!
I especially love how the fan site talked about Sarah Palin's show. You see, she was set up by Sarah and her Dad. They 'fixed and planned' the whole thing to make Kate look bad. They, I guess by their reasoning, took Kate captive, forced her on that plane, out into the wilderness and held a gun to her head. What rubbish. Kate went because she was going to make money. Plain and simple. And once she got there, she didn't like it so she pitched a Kate fit. That's all there was to it. Except that TLC decided to film her having her fit. I never saw one thing on there where Sarah or her Dad or any of them were mean or rude in any way to Kate. And lets get real, no one could force Kate to do anything she didn't want to do. And then there's the fire lane. That shows just how far the fans are willing to go for their darling. She had permission to park in a fire lane? Oh geesh, first of all they said they didn't see any red or yellow lines so no, she wasn't in a fire lane. Then when it was clearly pointed out you could see the words fire and lane underneath her car they changed it to she had permission. That does NOT happen. Even the president of the US would not presume to park in a fire lane. It is not o.k. Of course it was o.k. to rip your kids out of school so you could go sun and expose yourself in Australia. Every single one of them claimed they would do the same thing. And so it goes. Lather, rinse, repeat.
wryview said...
There is no way the party was Wed. or Thur. this week. We were in the middle of a huge snowstorm.
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As LancNative said upthread, the party was held last weekend.
Off topic, but just catching the guy from Cake Boss on his new show Kitchen Boss. See, here's someone who DID make the best of the opportunity he was given. He's got EVERYONE from his family on there, giving out recipes, sharing tips etc, with charm and decorum. He doesn't have the best couth or tv presence, but he's got "something". Probably NOT a personality disorder!
fidosmommy said...
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm very pleased to hear the kids have real friends their own age and are invited to parties. We were talking not too long ago about how they were so isolated from these things. Now we can worry about all this a whole lot less.
I'm equally pleased it was a photo-free day of fun! To hear it happened is different that to
have pictures of it, in this case.
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Fidosmommy,
You're in the majority if you feel that way. I think I can speak for everyone here and say that we are all happy to know the kids are doing things with their peers, that Jon is participating, and that they are able to be active without the cameras always present. In fact, that's my wish for the rest of their lives - to be with peers, family, and have fun with NO CAMERAS to document their every move.
Administrator said...
Again I ask, if you had to call 911 and Kate was blocking help to your loved one, how would you feel?
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That's easy, the sheeple would feel honored.
Chingada said...
Administrator said...
Again I ask, if you had to call 911 and Kate was blocking help to your loved one, how would you feel?
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That's easy, the sheeple would feel honored.
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Oh that made me laugh. I wonder if anyone has notified the police with the photographic evidence of her continuous contempt for the law. People who park where they should not get the serious stink eye from me.
My bigger pet peeve with parking is those who park in handicapped spots without a permit. That, I'll call the cops for.
Tucker's Mom said...
Oh that made me laugh. I wonder if anyone has notified the police with the photographic evidence of her continuous contempt for the law. People who park where they should not get the serious stink eye from me.
My bigger pet peeve with parking is those who park in handicapped spots without a permit. That, I'll call the cops for.
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Maybe we should put together all the photos of her parked in a fire lane and send them to Perez Hilton to tear apart. He's anti-Kate now right? And Tucker's mom, my biggest pet peeve is when people lock their dogs in the car without rolling down the window. I try to leave a not saying that they can KILL their dog that way. I can't believe some people don't know that!
Yeah for being normal for once... 2 thumbs up for Jon! Keep on, keepin on!
However, someone had to leak the story in order for there to be an article on it. Shame on that/those people. :(
I too hate the people that park in illegally in the handicapped spaces. The larger stores in my area hire off duty police to patrol the parking lots and they will issue tickets for illegal parking. Kate seems to feel entitled to park in fire lanes over and over, I suppose she's so self absorbed that she never thought of the danger she was putting people in. Hmmm..perhaps she thought of it and dismissed it because she doesn't notice or care about other people. OT but is anyone else having trouble posting?
Vanessa said... ...He doesn't have the best couth or tv presence, but he's got "something".
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Fugedaboutit he's from Jersey AND he's Italian!
About the leaking the story about the skating event with their dad. How does any of the fans know this was Ellen or Jon? Do they live with them 24/7 and watch every move they make? How can anyone be so delusional that they can say without question that Ellen or Jon or anyone else was THE one who leaked information. They can't. But they do it all the time because they worship at the altar of Kate and cannot and will not admit that she could ever do anything wrong. People can and do suspect who might or might not have done something, but there is no way they KNOW for a rock solid fact who did what. And therein lies the craziness of the fans and where vicious rumors get started. And they call us crazy?
I am so proud of Jon for stepping up and being the dad they need, giving them a normal life.
It was most likely another parent who reported it. It sounds like it was observation from the sidelines.
Why are so many people concerned with what the Sheeple say? We know that they are nuts, without any sense of reasoning ability, intellect, or writing skills. Does anyone here think it just feeds them to constantly comment on what they are saying? Yes, their comments may be funny and way off base, but they are also pathetic. Isn't this kind of like giving recognition to a narcissist? They love it! Why not just ignore them? I'm thinking of a line from the movie, Fatal Attraction. What really irked Alex (Glenn Close) was how Dan (Michael Douglas) blew her off:
"Well, what am I supposed to do? You won't answer my calls, you change your number. I mean, I'm not gonna be ignored, Dan!"
If this skating story ever made it onto a tabloid show or magazine, you can bet your boots Kate would be on the phone with either Meredith Viera or Kate Coyne from People Magazine to plan her next Jon bashing interview.
We don't go to them, but the sheeple come here and tell us how unfair we're being to Kate. We're only pointing out the hypocrisy. But you're right, Bleating Sheeple. They should really be ignored.
Reading Mom - That post wasn't showing when I made my post.
We don't go to them, but the sheeple come here and tell us how unfair we're being to Kate.
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Understood. But is there really any need to respond? Kate goes on television to "set the record straight." Jon doesn't give her the time of day. He doesn't keep the debate going, but just lets her go. This must really drive her nuts, because she needs this publicity (and the chance to tell her side) to keep her going.
Why not ignore the sheeple? Constant commenting about what they are saying and doing is just feeding the flock. Not pointing out even the hypocrisy of their statements would seem to me to best the best way to go. But I suppose it is human nature to feel the need to reply to their insane comments and speculations.
Admin - question for you. Since this is your blog, when sheeple take our comments verbatim and post them on THEIR sites (to dissect and tear us apart), is that "legal" as far as internet use is concerned? Are our words copyrighted (for lack of a better word)?
I think Kate believes the fines she gets for parking or driving violations are just the cost of getting around in her community, and she's wealthy enough to pay them. When I go shopping I think about parking fees; kate gambles on getting a freebie in the fire lane or having to pay to park there, if she gets caught. It's all the same to her,just a game she is playing with the world. She doesn't care if it's wrong.
And yet, you feel compelled to talk about the party here. If you want the kids to have their privacy, how about doing your part by giving them some?
OT on this thread, but I came across this little nugget when researching "Werny Gal"'s qualifications (I found similar accusations on other links as well):
"The Secret World of Jon & Kate Co-Author Polly Kahl Currently Not Licensesd to Practice In Pennsylvania
Jul 27th
Posted by Matt Heckman in Berks County Politics
Polly Kahl has not been licensed to practice psychology since 2007, according to The Pennsylvania State Department. Polly Kahl who recently co-authored a book with former Reading Eagle Editor Al Walentis provides a psychological evaluation on the children of Jon & Kate Gosselin which is a violation of Pennsylvania law and a possible felony, as she is practicing without a license. The law clearly states:
'It shall be unlawful for any person to practice, or attempt to offer to practice, medicine and surgery, or other areas of practice requiring a license, certificate or registration from the board, as such practice is defined in this act, without having at the time of so doing a valid, unexpired, unrevoked and unsuspended license, certificate or registration issued under this act. The unlawful practice of medicine and surgery or other areas of practice requiring a license, certificate or registration from the board, as such practice is defined in this act, may be enjoined by the courts on petition of the board or the commissioner. In any such proceeding, it shall not be necessary to show that any person is individually injured by the actions complained of. If it is determined the respondent has engaged in the unlawful practice of medicine and surgery or other areas of practice requiring a license, certificate or registration from the board, the court shall enjoin him from so practicing unless and until he has been duly licensed, certificated or registered. Procedure in such cases shall be the same as in any other injunction suit. The remedy by injunction hereby given is in addition to any other civil or criminal prosecution and punishment.' 63 Pa. Stat. Ann. § 422.38.
What seems to be more disturbing, is that Polly Kahl has an active practice called Kahl Counseling & Consultation located at 2130 Penn Avenue West Lawn, PA 19609. As you will see on her web site at pollykahl.com, her site has been up to date as recently as this year, which means it is possible that Polly Kahl has been practicing without a license for roughly 3 years.
The Secret World of Jon & Kate has not been doing well in sales, or reviews either according to the comments on Amazon, and several blogs. The book was recently pulled for a short time to make revisions after public backlash about its content that involved Jodi & Kevin Kreider the brother and sister in law of Kate Gosselin. What was supposed to be the fat man and little boy for The Anti-Kate Gosselin movement on the internet, has turned into just a little sparkler that has not affected public opinion.
This little sparkler could prove costly for Polly Kahl, and possibly Al Walents, as the investigations by The State Attorney General, and local District Attorney are sure to follow. State Rep. Thomas Murt who has been trying to revise Child Labor laws in Pennsylvania, allegedly was in close contact with Polly Kahl and used her advise to craft House Bill 2515 also known as The Gosselin Law."
Of course, she doesn't need to be licensed to pen a book about the Gosselins -- but she certainly needs a license to provide counseling and psychological services to her clients, which according to her official site, she currently does provide.
Why Is This a Thread Topic? said...
And yet, you feel compelled to talk about the party here. If you want the kids to have their privacy, how about doing your part by giving them some?
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Why are you reading and commenting here? Certainly if you want the kids to have some privacy, then you would refrain from doing what you are accusing others here of doing.
Having asked that, I think that the reason it IS being discussed here because there have been so many comments that the kids have no social life because they are thought of as a unit, and as such, their mother seldom takes them places unless it is for filming purposes. The fact that they were at a party with THEIR FATHER is a good thing because he allows them to be kids. I think it's put several concerns to rest when it's made public that the kids were at a party with their classmates and having a good time.
After all, it IS a blog about reality television kids.
Admin, what happened to you posting Kate's worst moments? I know you are super busy. Is it because it got vetoed for the fact that it exposes the kids even more? I'm just wondering. Over the summer, you had posted videos, for example of Kate ignoring 1 of the boys (cannot remember who) when he was constipated & Kate was picking out furniture, & the video of Gum-Gate. I think you had said if it was a "slow news week" (lol), you would put up those clips. Again, not sure if that whole concept got thrown out the window...
I hope everyone has a great weekend! I have a 3 essays due, a critical book review, a Holistic Wellness project due, dinner w/ friends, 2 Clinical Herbalist exams, 4-5 loads of laundry, & a 10 year old bedroom rearrange to do! And I might tackle my closet who my husband so graciously gave me all to myself. :) But I'll still pop in for the wit. Enjoy your family time! :)
Why Is This a Thread Topic? said...
And yet, you feel compelled to talk about the party here. If you want the kids to have their privacy, how about doing your part by giving them some?
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Excellent idea! And as soon as Kate takes her kids off t.v., they will finally have the privacy they all deserve. Trust me, it will not be necessary to discuss/expose their situation anymore.
You have to admit though, it's an unjust, silly, and embarrassing shame that Kate is forcing her family to film/work so that she can achieve fame & fortune.
I just wish that Kate had talent, grace & charm so that she could make it in show business on her own, and not on her kids backs.
Snow Globe said... Certainly if you want the kids to have some privacy, then you would refrain from doing what you are accusing others here of doing.
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I think that was a legit question. After all, the children's privacy is a huge issue here. It would have been so refreshing if the article had been ignored or no one felt compelled to participate in yet another invasion of their privacy.
Legit said,
I think that was a legit question.
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It was a rhetorical remark, in the form of a question that suggested bloggers refrain from posting [about the kids' privacy]. I think my question was legitimate. Why are you READING and COMMENTING here if you believe that this blog is invading the children's privacy?
Is this "Why is this a thread," or "Legit question?" or one and the same?
The kids' privacy has been invaded above and beyond what has been discussed here. They have their mother and TLC to thank for that. Jon has been giving them the chance to be kids. I would think that most would be assured to read that there are some good memories being made for these kids. Not all is doom and gloom.
What really bothers me, however, are the photographs....the analysis of facial gestures, body language (Cara is crying for attention from her mother, Joel looks sick and bewildered, Alexis looks to be in shock, Mady has her arms crossed - she must have gotten a tongue-lashing from Kate) Nobody, other than the children and those who were there, knows what went on at any given moment. The dissecting of photos is not only ridiculous - it just isn't fair to the kids.
"Certainly if you want the kids to have some privacy, then you would refrain from doing what you are accusing others here of doing."
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It's sad that their childhoods ever became fodder for blogs, but the day Kate says the show is over and asks for privacy for her kids is the day I stop commenting on their exploitation.
Bleating Sheeple said...
Why are so many people concerned with what the Sheeple say? We know that they are nuts, without any sense of reasoning ability, intellect, or writing skills. Does anyone here think it just feeds them to constantly comment on what they are saying? Yes, their comments may be funny and way off base, but they are also pathetic. Isn't this kind of like giving recognition to a narcissist?
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I agree, Bleating Sheeple. It is a highlight of a Sheeples day and feeds their egos when they read that someone has been to their site and brought their comments back here to discuss. I don't think we should give them the satisfaction of thinking someone even cares they exist.
We all know they're pathetic, so let's ignore them and let them fade into oblivion.
Hippie I wasn't posting Kate's worst moments, but rather the kids most exploitive moments. Jon has been a big part of it too.
Anyway thanks for asking--the videos take a long time to do, real life has gotten in the way. I'll try to do another one soon.
I think we should move on from talking about the sheeple, they are what they are. I'm guilty of violating my own rule. I'm going to be stricter about deleting sheeple comments.
I'm sort of in a catch 22 with this thread. Had I ignored this information, you can bet I would be accused of intentionally refusing to acknowledge that the children DO have normal moments without cameras and paparazzi.
I also think if we heard about this kind of thing all the time, there would be far less interest. This is one of the first times we've actually heard about something fun and relaxing without cameras or paps. That is not to say by any means it never happens, who knows. But it's not normally reported.
Why are you READING and COMMENTING here if you believe that this blog is invading the children's privacy?
I comment here from time to time because I hope that, through courteous and logical remarks, I can, perhaps, convince ONE person at a time that the best way to insure the kids privacy is to be one of those who does NOT comment on it which does nothing but prolong the hideous invasion.
I comment here from time to time because I hope that, through courteous and logical remarks,
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Under what name do you comment? "Thread," or "Legit," or perhaps something else?
"I can, perhaps, convince ONE person at a time that the best way to insure the kids privacy is to be one of those who does NOT comment on it which does nothing but prolong the hideous invasion."
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Perhaps what you don't understand is that those on this blog are not prolonging the hideous invasion. Her mother is doing an excellent job of that, and is not in need of any help from anyone. The best way to insure that the kids have privacy is for them not to be exploited or put into the public eye in the first place.
Kate remarked in one of her intern-generated blogs that her favorite movie is "The Sound of Music." The lyrics of one of Oscar Hammerstein's songs, Do-Re-Mi, begins like this: "Let's start at the very beginning/A very good place to start..."
And so it is with the Gosselin saga. Kate started this. In the beginning, the premise was innocent enough...a television show special that featured life with two sets of multiples. It was a very good place to start. It also should have been the end. However, things turned ugly with the exploitation of the children, as greed and the desire for fame slithered out from under some rocks and into the lives of eight unsuspecting children who neither understood nor agreed to be at the mercy of a mother who had materialistic motives.
Kate (and TLC) needs to finish this. Everything in between, as Kate admitted when she said that they MADE it OUR business, has been HER doing - HER exploitation/privacy invasion of her children. Hers, not ours.
"I comment here from time to time because I hope that, through courteous and logical remarks, I can, perhaps, convince ONE person at a time that the best way to insure the kids privacy is to be one of those who does NOT comment on it which does nothing but prolong the hideous invasion."
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There's something to be said about making a convincing argument in order to get one person to see the "light," except you have done NOTHING to pursuade anyone to have an epiphany. All you did was to ask a pseudo question: "And yet, you feel compelled to talk about the party here. If you want the kids to have their privacy, how about doing your part by giving them some?"
How is that convincing anyone of anything? It's just a repetition of the same old, same old, that has been regurgitated here so many times. If you want to do any "convincing," you'll have to put more meat into your arguments rather than putting forth a flimsy suggestion that the blogging ceases.
Invading the kids privacy? Naw...kate sold the kids privacy years ago.I use to wonder if commenting on a blog/s was bad for the kids.We didnt do this to them...thier pimp did.kate the pimp is willing to sell the kids to make money.Kate is ok with the kids working to keep her in a lifestyle she NEVER had but thinks she's entitled to.
I dont talk about what kate wears (i really dont give a shit)I comment when the kids are being pimped to make millions of dollars while they are getting almost NOTHING!
Kate is using the kids to give her a life she never ever would of have.Kate says she is the one working while the kids are just playing.REALLY...the kids are working...being told what to say and where to stand and when to smile.They are told when re-takes are needed!
How often do you tell your kids...who are "playing" to do it again but BETTER?
When kate was on Ellen she was asked about buying the kids cars when they are able to drive.Kate said "when they get a job,they can buy thier own cars" Really? This is ok with you sheeple?
Kate made everything she does news.She has forced this attention on to the kids.I think it will help the kids in the future,just knowing that lots of people thought this was wrong.They will be able to see that many many people tried to help them.It will be nice for them to know that someone was trying to look out for them.That someone understands the pain they were going through!
OT...It takes me 3 times to get my commets to go through.What can I do to fix that?
Administrator said... I'm sort of in a catch 22 with this thread. Had I ignored this information, you can bet I would be accused of intentionally refusing to acknowledge that the children DO have normal moments without cameras and paparazzi.
I also think if we heard about this kind of thing all the time, there would be far less interest. This is one of the first times we've actually heard about something fun and relaxing without cameras or paps. That is not to say by any means it never happens, who knows. But it's not normally reported.
January 28, 2011 8:20 PM
The noteworthy thing is anytime these normal types of activities without cameras are reported, it is when the kids are with Jon.
Never Kate.
You have to wonder, if Jon were not available to take the kids to this party, would they have had to miss it? Because Kate most likely would not have lowered herself to attend a non-celebrity birthday party for common folk.
Now, if it were Surie Cruise's skating party, you can bet Kate would've been there with bells on ( and hooker heels and hoochie clothes).
This bit of news about the skating party with Jon did not surprise me at all.
However, I would've fallen over dead from shock if it were Kate who was spotted at the party with them... and no cameras, no bodyguard, socializing with other parents, and attempting to help her kids try to skate.
I would know right then hell had finally frozen over.
However, I would've allen over dead from shock if it were Kate who was spotted at the party with them... and no cameras, no bodyguard, socializing with other parents, and attempting to help her kids try to skate.
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Kate THREW a birthday party for her kids and other moms were there. Kate barely spoke to them, at least on camera. When she did speak to them, it was to get them to help her out with something, if I recall. She looked positively miserable. Of course, it was when she and Jon were not speaking to each other, even though they posed oh-so-pretty for the camera with their 8 kids separating them.
You might think that Kate might try to turn on some graciousness toward the other mothers. One reason would be to not look so obvious in her disdain for Jon, and another would be to show herself as at least a little friendly to
other adults. But she chose to do it her way, and ended up looking totally ungracious and aloof.
Like you, I can't picture Kate putting herself in the middle of situations like another child's birthday party unless she was getting paid to be there or unless it was a red carpet affair.
Just as an aside: What did that 5th birthday party and Alaska have in common? Both were fairly temperate days, the kids seemed comfortable enough, but KATE COMPLAINED ABOUT BEING FREEZING AT BOTH OF THEM. I think "freezing" is Kate-speak for "unhappy".
Wow, Mickey. I think the article was spot-on, too bad the commenter was so out of touch with reality. Stewart has her number though!
Mickey McKean what a great article. Thanks for the link. Amazing the comments. Just amazing.
Thanks Mickey. I can only come up with 3 words: Oh. My. God.
Thanks Mickey for the article. I'm bored so I thought I'd google the poster that commented on that blog.
http://twitter.com/msgoody2shoes21
Seriously disturbed individual, check it out.
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said.. I agree, I have read many articles written by professionals who see the danger with the filming and keeping them in the public eye. Even if not all experts agree, if there is even a SMALL chance this is harmful to the children, then WHY take that chance. I just can't understand why some people don't see this. Kate being number one in the line.
Admin said...
Hippie I wasn't posting Kate's worst moments, but rather the kids most exploitive moments. Jon has been a big part of it too.
I guess it could be both, huh? Kate's worst moments & the kids most exploitative moments... They kind of go hand in hand. I was just wondering, I know you are super busy!! Some posters (sheeple, perhaps?) stated that it just exploited the kids even more. I thought it was a good thing, exposing old clips & showing more people how the kids were made to live in the earlier days of the show. It's gotten worse & worse hasn't it?
Hi Hippie Chick
"Some posters (sheeple, perhaps?) stated that it just exploited the kids even more."
This is what makes no sense. To expose the wrongs is NOT exploiting. It is educating people. A few posters remarked after Admin posted them, they had never seen the episodes and were appalled at the clip. Many people do not know nor understand the history of this mess. To show the damage being done is NOT exploiting at all. I wish people could really think about this.
Hi Lolly...
I agree completely. Expose Kate for who she has been all along, & as I stated above, it has just gotten worse. She has NOT gotten any more loving or maternal. She just keeps exposing those kids, & exploiting even more damaging moments; EX: the vomiting on the fishing boat & the NYC heat wave. Some people, like myself, do not watch, but come here for the recap, so I know what is going on. Some people don't watch & don't come here at all for the recap, & then just happen to swing by & see the clips & are shocked by what they see & therefore, may want to help the kids. (again Admin, I know you are a busy woman, but that was a wonderful idea!)
nanb said...
Thanks Mickey for the article. I'm bored so I thought I'd google the poster that commented on that blog.
http://twitter.com/msgoody2shoes21
Seriously disturbed individual, check it out.****************************************
I think Jon is the one that needs a bodyguard with this kind of obsessive weirdo.
SNOW GLOBE......... extremely well said.
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said.. I agree, I have read many articles written by professionals who see the danger with the filming and keeping them in the public eye. Even if not all experts agree, if there is even a SMALL chance this is harmful to the children, then WHY take that chance.
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I said this awhile ago, it can't be said enough, it's such a great point and exposes the huge flaw in the argument that the kids COULD turn out just fine despite their f-ed up childhoods. Key word, Kate fans: COULD. Knowing we know about kids who are constantly in the public eye, why would you CHANCE IT? Why would you gamble with your own kids?
If you think about the complete lack of logic in this, it's very disturbing. For example:
1. I don't make my kid where a helmet because chances are, he won't get hit by a car. Chances are he will be fine. Even if he does get hit by a car, there's no telling if the helmet would have protected him.
2. I feed my kid junk food and don't make him eat healthy because chances are, he won't get fat or get diabetes. Chances are he will be fine.
3. I don't make my kid put on a jacket and mittens when it's cold because chances are he won't get a cold.
4. I pull my kid out of school for vacations all the time because chances are, he's not missing anything important. Chances are he'll forget the birthday party he missed out on or spirit day or the fun snow day. He'll be fine.
5. I don't go to any of my child's sports games and school events because chances are, he won't even miss me there. Chances are this won't affect him in the future, he won't have mommy and daddy issues, most kids don't.
6. I'm going to let my kid drink alcohol even though he's underage because chances are he won't become an alcoholic, chances are he won't think I'm condoning underage drinking and breaking the law.
7. I'm going to break the law in little ways, parking in handicap parking spots and fire zones, speeding, stealing pinecones, leaving the scene of an accident, because chances are, my kid won't grow up and learn to do the same.
You wouldn't CHANCE IT with your kids in all of the above? So why is Kate CHANCING IT with the kids and filming, and why are people still supporting her gambling with her own kids?
I like how the blogger, Allen Stewart, responded to that comment by saying, yeah you basically just proved my point. LOL!
He's a Christian attorney and his web site says "When big business harms the interests of innocent people and even entire communities, those victims need a strong advocate with proven success. As one of the nation's leading toxic tort attorneys, Al Stewart is passionate about defending the rights of people harmed by others."
Maybe he's the right guy to help sue if the Gosselin kids want to someday.
It's nice that all these attorneys and psycholgists and people with advanced degrees and educated at Harvard and so on have finally spoken out about this madness over the past year or so. Although I have to say, it doesn't take a degree to know that something is wrong here.
I was bored...between my mega-homework assignments, so decided to do some You-tubing. This video is funny, old, but funny, (mind the language!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86d6NXGUBRw
Then there's this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TVwAldpKFI&feature=fvsr
It's sad that most people think Kate exploits her kids. For money. And that's ALL she knows how to do.
Bristol Palin was uninvited to speak at Washington University because the Student Union didn't feel it right a 20 year old with a GED be able to afford a 5 bedroom house and command a $20,000 speaking fee just for exploiting her teenaged pregnancy/famous mother. Good on them. Now will the advertisers please stop rewarding Kate for exploiting her multiples pregnancy.
Off topic wonder when they'll air all the crap they taped.
mama mia said...
Bristol Palin was uninvited to speak at Washington University because the Student Union didn't feel it right a 20 year old with a GED be able to afford a 5 bedroom house and command a $20,000 speaking fee just for exploiting her teenaged pregnancy/famous mother. Good on them. Now will the advertisers please stop rewarding Kate for exploiting her multiples pregnancy.
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I have a friend who is a professor at the school. There was no official statement issued that those were the reasons she was uninvited. The fact is that she was to be paid from student-generated funds, and the budget was such that they felt it was just too much money to spend. If the college had paid for it, I doubt that there would have been any protests at all, and the fact that she's a 20-year-old who bought a house never would have entered into anything. What is not being reported is that there were many students who supported the speaking engagement, believing that this would be an excellent opportunity to hear from a young woman who made a mistake, finished high school, and has a career in mind, while taking on the responsibility of raising a child. There were many college students who actually wanted to hear from someone in their own age group who has been in that situation, rather than a psychologist or physician who had no first-hand experiences with the subject under discussion, which was sexual awareness/responsibility.
Bristol got her GED and earned a 3.497 GPA and has plans to go to business school. Good for her. At least she had the gumption to do this, rather than relying on the "fame" of her well-known mother to get perks in life.
How is Bristol exploiting Sarah Palin? Kate's exploiting her kids, but Sarah being exploited by Bristol? I don't think so...
I don't have a problem with what Bristol is doing. She is taking a bad situation, taking responsibility for it, and is using it to help others. The baby is at home well cared for. His life is a bit public because his grandmother is a politician, even if Bristol didn't speak he would still be Sarah Palin's grandson. The idea of a teen pregnancy is what is being talked about, not the baby himself or the baby's private moments or life. I can't even remember his name. We know very little about him other than who his parents are, which we all knew whether Bristol is talking openly about her situation or not.
If talking about teen pregnancy is exploitive, then so is a paralyzed person on the speaking circuit talking about his disability, a mother who lost a child to drunk driving speaking about it, or any other life experience you use to help others by speaking about it. There was nothing wrong with the Gosselins talking about their unique circumstances on the circuit. It only became wrong when they misrepresented their financial situation to the audience and invited the public in to experience every poop and pee from the kids. Had they kept it to just speaking about raising multiples and THAT'S IT I suspect they would be living very comfortably now, might even still be married, and the kids would have normal lives.
Bristol is not lying about what happened to her, as Kate and Jon lied on the speaking circuit about their financial situation. People know what they are paying for. If people don't want to hear her, don't go. I just don't see this as exploitation. Bristol is an adult, she can choose whether to talk openly about her private life. She can tell her mother no if she doesn't want to do something. Actually the fact that she was very absent from her mother's reality show suggests to me she knows her own mind. If she really wanted to be very involved with it she would have found a way to get back there and be on.
Her can-do attitude, gentle and kind personality, and humbleness on DWTS has had a heavy influence on my perception of her.
I bet her parents helped her with the house. Are young people not allowed to buy houses?
Something that I have noticed is that children, in general, look as if they do not enjoy being involved in reality shows. Except maybe the Duggars. The majority of the rest look as if that is the last place they want to be and don't seem "overly excited" to be involved in the family "memories" or "activities."
Any of the Housewife shows, the Palins, the Roloffs, the Osbornes, Scary Spice show, Kimora, even Run's show. All of the kids just seem to be annoyed by it all. It also seems to feed one of the adult's ego in the family, maybe insecurities too.
We have seen it in the twins for quite sometime.
Its like these parents want these trained monkeys. "tell the people about your vacation." "lets talk. . right in front of this camera, camera guy, sound people, makeup people, directors, assistants, and those other 8 people you dont really know. mommy loves you. it's o.k. you can tell me." We see them do their monkey thing, then we get to watch their mommys sit in a chair and tell us what we just saw. Fascinating!!!!!
Im sure the sheeple will brush it off as typical kid/teenage attitude. I don't think so.
I am a fan on Matt Roloff's facebook page. He posts video giving updates on the family. He posted about all his plans for 2011. In the video he talks about how time-consuming it is to do a reality show. You have to get up early, meet with the producers to discuss the plans/days activity. He mentioned even just going to the bank, and all the retakes it took. He also stated that he is still under TLC's obligation for, he thinks, about 18 months or so. So any projects/promotions have to be OK'd per them.
Imagine how many retakes it must take for 8 small children. I'd like Kate to explain that away. That is not playing, it is work.
This is TLC's reality: kids having fun, running, laughing, playing:
http://www.infdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/INFphoto_1485944.jpg
This is the children's reality: camerman, booms, crowded:
http://www.infdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/INFphoto_1485947.jpg
I think when some people watch the show, and think ... how cute the kids are, look at the fun they are having, they are forgetting there is a crew of people all around them, they are cut off from other kids, they are being told what to say, how to say it and when to say it.
Moose Mania said
Bristol got her GED and earned a 3.497 GPA and has plans to go to business school. Good for her. At least she had the gumption to do this, rather than relying on the "fame" of her well-known mother to get perks in life.
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Just to do a little reality check here: Bristol Palin wouldn't own a $200,000 house if she hadn't relied on her mother's fame to get her a very big perk in life - a stint on DWTS.
Bristol is fortunate enough to have a very wealthy and famous mother. Her story would have certainly been quite different if that were not the case, and she sure wouldn't have been on any college's commencement speaker list if she were Jane Nobody, much less able to claim a $20,000 speaker's fee.
There are many responsible 22-year-old unwed mothers out there who really have done it on their own. Bristol Palin isn't one of them.
I think that's part of the message though, that with the support of family you can get through something like a teen pregnancy. Of course she probably wouldn't have made it without her parents--her parents love her and supprt her. Most teen moms need some kind of support system if they're going to go through with it.
Other 22-year-olds in her situation are not in a position to be successful on the speaking circuit. The public does not have an interest in "unknowns." Bristol knew she was uniquely poised to talk about this issue because people were interested in her family. She could have locked herself up at home and said it's none of their business, or she could take her circumstances and the reality of her famous family and spun it into something positive.
I watched Sarah's show. I don't see the kids being spoiled with "stuff" and "perks" like what is constantly lavished on the Gosselin kids. I see parents spoiling the kids with tons of family time--hikes, camping, fishing, road trips. I see the kids spoiled with lots of learning opportunities--gold panning, survival, rock climbing. Sarah wasn't even famous until a few years ago. She was only known locally, and lots of kids have parents who are well known locally.
Actually I think if more children of celebrities found a way to make something positive out of their unique and often strange upbringing we would see a lot less Redman O'Neil's out there. It does not surprise me the Palin kids are doing well with what has been thrown at them, they are plucky like Sarah.
You know in thinking about it that might be the one way that the Gosselin kids might someday be able to process and feel at peace about their upbringing once they reach adulthood. If they are able to somehow spin something negative into a positive. Maybe for some of them it might be speaking publically about the situation. Maybe we'll see one or more of the kids starting some kind of organization like Paul Petersen did.
Maybe we'll see one or more of the kids starting some kind of organization like Paul Petersen did.
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Admin., you're right. One can only hope. However, Paul was only one person. With the Gosselins, you have eight kids, and I'm not sure the percentage of all of them being able to do this is that great. This exploitation continues, with no signs right now of letting up. How long can this continue before there is a point of no return for them? She's not going to end this anytime soon, and the longer it goes on, the chances of all of these kids emerging as young adults/adults with the opportunity to turn bad into good diminishes.
Nobody can predict the future. We don't know how much this is affecting them emotionally, or how strong they are internally that they will be able to emerge from this as peaceful, happy adults. Tragically, I just don't see this happening with ALL of them, and if only one of them is emotionally damaged by all of this, that's one too many, and a disfunctional life that Kate could have prevented from happening, only she choose not to. The kids have no choice.
"This exploitation continues, with no signs right now of letting up."
When the contract is up in 2012, unless Jon signs on again, won't that be the end of the kids? TLC will not have Jon by the man parts this time, (HOPEFULLY) so he won't have to sign on.? I think this is why Kate and TLC are filming the crap out of them, and probably will be until 2012.
Not Quite said...
Just to do a little reality check here: Bristol Palin wouldn't own a $200,000 house if she hadn't relied on her mother's fame to get her a very big perk in life - a stint on DWTS.
Bristol is fortunate enough to have a very wealthy and famous mother. Her story would have certainly been quite different if that were not the case, and she sure wouldn't have been on any college's commencement speaker list if she were Jane Nobody, much less able to claim a $20,000 speaker's fee...
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Your reality check is missing a few details. Bristol was not being considered for a commencement speaking engagement. She was being considered to be on an Abstinence Panel during Sex Week along with other speakers at Washington University and in fact she hadn't even signed a contract; they were still in the midst of talks.
I don't think Bristol 'relied' on her mother to get her a DWTS gig which helped her buy a house (which was a good investment). Being a Palin certainly helped her get the attention in the first place which in turn helped get Bristol the job, but Bristol put in the work to earn the money once she was there all by herself. I don't think the hard work she put into that show can even be compared to the pitiful display Kate made.
Bristol's suitability to speak about abstinence will be talked about for years as will the Palin name's effect on her 'fame', but once she's on the job she's the one who does the work and it's her personality and demeanor that earns her the good reputation she has on the circuit. I'm glad she's using the Palin name to open doors and talk about abstinence with young people.
Like her, hate her, she's helped by the Palin name, or she's hurt by it, who knows. I only care that she's a good mother to her son.
Administrator said...You wouldn't CHANCE IT with you kids with all of the above? So why is Kate CHANCING IT with the kids and filming,
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The answer is simple. There's no money to be made by any of the chances you've listed, with the possible exception of a lawsuit or insurance settlement over a being struck by a car. She sees no danger in continuing to expose their lives on tv. The only fear she has is not being able to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. She is NOT concerned about their emotional health. How many times have we seen her push her kids away from her when they come to her. An eye roll and a threat of a nap is how she responds. Kate has proved time and again she's willing to take chances with her kids lives to better her own. It's sick of course, but a narcissist will do anything to satiate their self-importance.
Lolly said...
"This exploitation continues, with no signs right now of letting up."
When the contract is up in 2012, unless Jon signs on again, won't that be the end of the kids? TLC will not have Jon by the man parts this time, (HOPEFULLY) so he won't have to sign on.? I think this is why Kate and TLC are filming the crap out of them, and probably will be until 2012.
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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that's true Lolly, but with the rulings that came out of the Berks Family Court this year I'm worried that Kate may end up being the sole signature required on a contract for the kids to continue filming. It will make for an interesting appeals court case if Jon is denied decision making/contract rights, but I just don't have much faith that his rights will be recognized and honored.
Ok, so I was watching Sex & The City & a commercial for Kate's stupid THS comes on & it says somethings, (my son was talking!) & I say ssshh! & then I hear "It went from reality show to freak show in 4 seconds"...so it does NOT sound promising. They also put up BAD pictures of Kate in her...ahem, hooker-wear. Oooo!! I think they may have her number!! *laughing on the inside, evilly*
h8k8 said... Well I am not sure if the rulings were to uphold the contract, or Jon didn't present a good case for his plea (as Kate's lawyer blabbed) or what.
I know that a woman who appeared on the Housewives of Atlanta, could not show her kids because the father said no, also Denise Richards had a hard time, because Charlie Sheen didn't want his kids shown either. I would THINK that a parent has the RIGHT to say no. I certainly would fight it. And from the court docket it appears that Jon has been fighting. At least I hope he can stop it in 2012.
Sadly, you may have a point.
Usually if two separated parents cannot agree on something like a contract for the kids, like in the Charlie Sheen case, they have to go to court and let the judge decide. In the Sheen case the judge agreed with the dad. I don't know if in PA Jon necessarily has veto power. It just means that if Jon says no, they're going to have to leave it up to the judge to decide if the kids will sign another contract (which is so ridiculous because kids can't contract legally anyway)--so that's a bit scary to think a judge might decide their fate again even if Jon is strongly against it.
Some people have said I HAD to have permission from my ex-husband to travel here, or do this, or do that. That's not true where I am. If parents disagree you don't "have" to have the other person's permission--rather the other alternative is you can take it to court and let the judge decide. In other words, a parent doesn't necessarily have veto power and that's it you as the other parent have no remedy.
This prevents an unreasonable parent or a parental alienator from calling the shots. If you think about it, a parental alienator could conceivably say NO to any little thing you ever wanted to do with the kids. A dangerous proposition.
Still it's rather sad to have to run to the judge all the time because of an unreasonable parent.
Reality show to freak show...THS is sounding like a must see.
Well THAT is depressing, Admin. LOL Gawd, I am SO thankful I have had a normal life, a normal husband, normal kids and have never had to go through this and never will.
I still think that Twisted Kate will not be released until they can't film the kids any longer.
What a mess.
I thought Charlie Sheen lost his case, and the kids were allowed to be filmed.
Pretty scary to think that Charlie Sheen, who has perhaps some of the worst judgment ever, is at least smart enough to protect his children's privacy. (Even though he doesn't seem to think much about how embarrassed they'll be by his behavior!)
Bubbles said... I think they did settled on a compromise. The kids would be on a small portion of the show, or something like that. I am too tired to google it. LOL
Yeah, that is something that Sheen made that decision, after all the terrible choices he has made.
Really I thought Charlie Sheen won. I googled it, all I could find was that apparently indeed Denise won the right to do the reality show BUT with restrictions. Did anyone see the show? Were the kids hardly in it or blurred out maybe?
LOL I just had a terrible thought, I bet Kate would still film these kids even if a judge said their faces would have to be blurred. Anything is better than giving them a life of privacy and normalcy.
Denises' girls are were not shown that much, even before the court case. Haven't seen it in a while.
"Kate plus the Blurred Out 8"
Ok, now I know I am tired. LOL Talk soon, have a great afternoon.
That's what I recall hearing about it, that the show was not about the kids and the kids were rarely shown. It's impressive that even Charlie Sheen knew that even exposing his kids a very small amount was a bad idea.
There is also this very real fear that when someone rich and famous exposes their children's faces and schedules ....that it exposes them to a risk of kidnapping and extortion. I know of a celeb who was obsessed with the Lindberg baby kidnapping and murder and was very paranoid about ever exposing the kids to any media attention.
Administrator said...
...permission from my ex-husband to travel here, or do this, or do that.
In Wis. if it is still the same as years ago you couldn't move over 90 miles away without permission from the ex or see a judge. (or out of state even if it was super close) It was made to stop the one with custody from moving so far away to punish the ex. Some with custody would use the reason of a new job they were getting. They got to move because the better money/town would benefit the child supposedly. The child needs their parents in their lives. Both of them--not money!
My ex moved 1000 miles away when our kids were young. Even though the kids are smart and not in trouble I know once a year visits weren't enough! They needed him around growing up.
IIRC, Denise Richard's kids were not seen on her "It's Constipated" show. (I know it's "complicated") but again, we have a BAD actress, with yet another frigin reality show, for NO good reason whatsoever. There is one coming out with Audrey? Aubrey? O'day? Who the hell is that?? Does everyone in the free world need an effing reality show now? When will this end? People famous for the sake of being famous. They do absolutely nothing to get where they are. Has anyone flipped trough a celeb magazine lately? It is 85% reality TV personalities. Where are the Julia Roberts? The Tom Hanks? The Meryl Streeps? The Halle Berrys? The Gwen Stefanis?
THOSE are the celebs that actually did something worthwhile. They worked hard to get where are they are. They acted in B-movies, worked from the bottom up, worked in dive bars to get their music heard, scrimped & saved as bartenders or waitresses, you get my drift. They didn't get handed a deal because they flaunted their titties on Playboy (Kim Kardashian) or popped out 6 kids & grifted church goers. These actual celebs must hate reality TV people for getting off so easy, but are so cool about not saying anything.
I wish more celebs would say more about Kate. They might see what she does to her own kids. Exploit them, use them, film the crap out of them. REAL celebs DO NOT DO THAT to their children. Kate is not a real celeb. When will she get that through her thick head?? She is a reality TV whore. Nothing more. And reality TV whores go away & then show up randomly on VH1 specials. This E! thing is her swan song. Kate got lucky, & it will all be over & she will wish she did this better or this different & this wasn't on tape for all to see. TOO late bitch. YOU screwed up when you could have done so much differently for those children, and now they will resent you for it. Greed is a bad thing to caught up in. And overnight success is never good for someone like Kate, who obviously cares more about money & fame, than she does about love & family & togetherness. (sorry about the rant)
And reality TV whores go away & then show up randomly on VH1 specials. This E! thing is her swan song.
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I hope you are right about that. Is Kate shaking in her hooker boots right now over this airing, or does she think, "wow, an entire show devoted to ME, ME, ME?" Will she see this through a narcissist's eyes, convincing herself that any publicity is good publicity because it keeps her in the public's eyes, or will she finally wake up and see herself as others see her?
Of course, we really don't know HOW this show is going to present her. She always comes off as receiving the fluff treatment (as in Viera interviews). Will the screws finally be put to her? Somehow, I doubt it. I hope that I am wrong, but she has a history of escaping the reality of the truth. This time may be no different, and she will be laughing once again, with her swell head getting even bigger, along with her boobs...
Does everyone in the free world need an effing reality show now? When will this end? People famous for the sake of being famous. They do absolutely nothing to get where they are.
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Agreed, however these shows aren't going away anytime soon:
1) With the advent of YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc. we have created a narcisstic generation that neither understands nor values privacy. Everyone can be a celebrity nowadays. And the crazier or more dysfunctional you are, the better.
2) Reality TV panders to the innate gossip in all of us. In addition, I personally feel that in stressful, uncertain times such as ours people like watching these shows for the sense of security it gives, however false. If you can watch parents exploit their kids, if you can watch hoarders, etc. then you can sit back and say "My life may be bad, but at least I'm not THAT bad."
3) Watching the "rich and famous" bicker and meltdown on television in their weekly soap operas allows some to gain perspective, i.e. "They may have all that money and stuff but it doesn't make them any happier than the rest of us."
4) Reality shows are incredibly cheap to produce so the bottom line is better for the networks and companies who promote them - they make an incredible amount of money. Their is a strong financial incentive for these networks to keep airing them.
5) Until we, as viewers, start demanding better quality entertainment it won't happen. So vote with you dollars and viewership. Drop cable and start watching online. Choose shows that support you POV and values. Write to the sponsors who advertise during the shows you don't like and let them know they have lost your dollars. It does make a difference in the long term.
This E show will just be another excuse to go on the View and the Today show no matter how it turns out. She will either feel exonerated or ridiculed .... and will have to subject us all to most private feelings about it. LMBO
What's in a name said...
I don't think Bristol 'relied' on her mother to get her a DWTS gig which helped her buy a house (which was a good investment). Being a Palin certainly helped her get the attention in the first place which in turn helped get Bristol the job, but Bristol put in the work to earn the money once she was there all by herself. I don't think the hard work she put into that show can even be compared to the pitiful display Kate made.
Bristol's suitability to speak about abstinence will be talked about for years as will the Palin name's effect on her 'fame', but once she's on the job she's the one who does the work and it's her personality and demeanor that earns her the good reputation she has on the circuit. I'm glad she's using the Palin name to open doors and talk about abstinence with young people.
Like her, hate her, she's helped by the Palin name, or she's hurt by it, who knows. I only care that she's a good mother to her son.
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Being a Palin didn't "help" Bristol land the DWTS gig, it got her the gig. She didn't compete for a spot reserved for teen mothers.
If she didn't have the last name Palin, she would be competing for the limited jobs for which she would qualify with a GED. I don't see how that's open for dispute.
Administrator said...
I don't have a problem with what Bristol is doing. She is taking a bad situation, taking responsibility for it, and is using it to help others. The baby is at home well cared for. His life is a bit public because his grandmother is a politician, even if Bristol didn't speak he would still be Sarah Palin's grandson. The idea of a teen pregnancy is what is being talked about, not the baby himself or the baby's private moments or life. I can't even remember his name. We know very little about him other than who his parents are, which we all knew whether Bristol is talking openly about her situation or not.
If talking about teen pregnancy is exploitive, then so is a paralyzed person on the speaking circuit talking about his disability, a mother who lost a child to drunk driving speaking about it, or any other life experience you use to help others by speaking about it. There was nothing wrong with the Gosselins talking about their unique circumstances on the circuit. It only became wrong when they misrepresented their financial situation to the audience and invited the public in to experience every poop and pee from the kids. Had they kept it to just speaking about raising multiples and THAT'S IT I suspect they would be living very comfortably now, might even still be married, and the kids would have normal lives.
Bristol is not lying about what happened to her, as Kate and Jon lied on the speaking circuit about their financial situation. People know what they are paying for. If people don't want to hear her, don't go. I just don't see this as exploitation. Bristol is an adult, she can choose whether to talk openly about her private life. She can tell her mother no if she doesn't want to do something. Actually the fact that she was very absent from her mother's reality show suggests to me she knows her own mind. If she really wanted to be very involved with it she would have found a way to get back there and be on.
Her can-do attitude, gentle and kind personality, and humbleness on DWTS has had a heavy influence on my perception of her.
I bet her parents helped her with the house. Are young people not allowed to buy houses?
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There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much.
If she didn't have the last name Palin, she would be competing for the limited jobs for which she would qualify with a GED. I don't see how that's open for dispute.
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She's going to further her education by getting a degree in business. She just graduated from high school. Give her a chance. She's young. We're not talking about a 30s something high school drop-out with no skills who has to take whatever job comes his/her way.
So what if being a Palin landed her the DWTS gig? The fact is that once she got there she worked her butt off, consistently improving while at the same time coming off as gracious, courteous, friendly and able to accept criticism. The same cannot be said about some other contestants who were so full of it that they were voted off.
She's not the only relative of a well-known person show who landed a television gig (brief) because of who she is, and she most certainly won't be the last. Fact is, though, she doesn't want to make a name for herself in politics or acting. She wants to sell real estate - not much glamour in that. I hope that the media has a laissez-faire attitude and doesn't pick her to death in her chosen career.
There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much.
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Bristol Palin does not make her children work for what she gets. Kate does. Huge difference. There is no double standard here.
If we objected to everyone who had a big house that would be a lot of people to be upset at. I don't object to big houses. I know lots of people with big houses. All of them worked hard for it. None of them made their kids work for it. I do object to people who get big houses off the backs of eight lost childhoods.
Bristol doesn't exploit her kid's privacy, end of story.
"There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much"
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I know you are trying hard to make Kate look better but this statement is ridiculous.
Bristol only has 1 child to support and her house cost $172,000.
Kate has 8 children to support and she spends $1.2 million.
When we object to Kate speding all this money it's often mischaracterized as we simply object to someone buying stuff--houses, hair extensions, nice clothes, trips.
This completely ignores the second, crucial part of our objections. It is not the houses, trips, upkeep themselves that we object to. No, we object to the kids were put to work to GET the stuff. Then comes the next argument, but they're just freebies. Problem is that TLC would not have done so if not for the kids being put to work. So freebies or the kids' money, all this stuff is off their backs.
What child was put to work for Bristol to buy her house? That's right, no one was.
"There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much"
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There's no double standard at all. Not only did Kate BUY an expensive home (on the backs of her children), but she has to come up with the funds for the mortgage, maintenance, taxes, etc. The only way she's going to continue making those payments is by selling her kids.
Bristol bought her home outright with funds from DWTS. Perhaps her parents helped with the payment. Who cares? The point is that Tripp isn't paying for it. She's supporting him; not vice versa. Tripp won't have to be exploited on national television in order to make sure that a 20+ acre property is maintained, or that the pool guy gets his weekly paycheck.
I hate it when Kate says she's just providing for the children. The "children" are providing and keeping her in the lifestyle SHE chose for them and herself. Kate's the one that wanted the big house and servants, expensive hair stylist and bodyguards. I wish she would just admit it already.
I wonder if E will expose what Kate's relationship is with her extended family. You know ....the relationship that she does't really have but pretends she does.
Moose Mania said...
She's going to further her education by getting a degree in business. She just graduated from high school. Give her a chance. She's young. We're not talking about a 30s something high school drop-out with no skills who has to take whatever job comes his/her way.
So what if being a Palin landed her the DWTS gig? The fact is that once she got there she worked her butt off, consistently improving while at the same time coming off as gracious, courteous, friendly and able to accept criticism. The same cannot be said about some other contestants who were so full of it that they were voted off.
She's not the only relative of a well-known person show who landed a television gig (brief) because of who she is, and she most certainly won't be the last. Fact is, though, she doesn't want to make a name for herself in politics or acting. She wants to sell real estate - not much glamour in that. I hope that the media has a laissez-faire attitude and doesn't pick her to death in her chosen career.
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I simply pointed out that she got the DWTS gig because of her last name. That's a fact. Of course she isn't the first relative of a well-known person to land a TV gig, nor will she be the last. I wouldn't have turned down the opportunity either if I were in her shoes.
Time will tell whether or not furthers her education. As for her graciousness on DWTS, I thought she came across very well at first but I didn't find her particularly gracious toward the end. JMO.
Moose Mania said...
Fact is, though, she doesn't want to make a name for herself in politics or acting. She wants to sell real estate - not much glamour in that. I hope that the media has a laissez-faire attitude and doesn't pick her to death in her chosen career.
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She gave an interview last week and discussed the fact that she may be hosting a morning radio program. It's simply untrue that she has opted for a career out of the spotlight.
The baby has only been on camera a few times. It doesn't even begin to compare to 150 episodes of his private moments and it's laughable to try to say it's the same thing.
She shouldn't talk about her relationship with his father publically. Nor should anyone. Thankfully one time is not going to damage a baby who can barely talk yet. Kate's offenses were not just "once." She takes everything and does it times ten and takes it to outer space.
Quite frankly I don't know if there IS another reality family out there that is this exploited. There is nothing to compare it to.
Bristol Palin actually may be another example of one of the many parents we might never know were influenced by the disaster of the Gosselins.
She hasn't done a reality show about her life. DWTS is a competition and is not about her own life. Maybe she thought twice about opening herself up to it after seeing what happened to others. Maybe her PR people suggested it's not a good idea right now. All possibilities. She is hot right now, if she wanted a reality show now is the time.
Double Standards and other Sheeple:
I have a couple of questions for you. Why is it that you are so adamant about defending Kate? Why do you want her to continue to exploit her children in effort to keep up a lifestyle that she chose?
Are you a mother? If so, would you allow cameras to come into your home to film your children using the potty, throwing up on a boat and lying in their vomit?
Would you allow your children to have their breakdowns (think Mady in Florida saying she'd rather die) being filmed for MILLIONS of people to watch, comment on, and exploit for profit?
If you are not a mother, then why on earth would you want to watch this travesty on film? Is it entertaining to watch these children experience this type of humiliation? What type of pleasure 'do' you get from watching this form of entertainment?
Sick individuals defend a selfish mother hell-bent on walking all over her children while pretending it's all 'her' making the money, etc. Those kids work and pay for their own upkeep, trips, and schooling. Without her children on tv Kate would never have been able to afford her lypo, fake boobs, fake hair, fake nails etc.
Why can't Kate make it without using her children to enhance her career??? Is she that much of a failure in life? Why can't she just be a normal working mom like 50% of the female population? Why in God's name do you continue to defend her behaviour? ? I just don't get it.
Please tell me what we know about Bristol's child. Is he shy and quiet or outgoing? What is he into? Is he a leader or a follower? Who is he most attached to? What's his favorite toy, favorite food? What doesn't he like? What is his relationship with his cousin who is the same age and his aunts and uncles?
Oh that's right, we know NOTHING about that kid.
Now pick any tup at random and see how many things you can think of we know about them.
Creepy huh?
somebody said...
"There are incessant complaints that Kate purchases a lavish house but when Bristol Palin buys a 3,900sf house, she's applauded for it. I don't care what she buys, but the double standard is too much"
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What? I own my home and you bet I want to be applauded for it. Did Bristol Palin enslave her baby into a reality surveillance show? No? Well, neither did I, and my kids have been on TV about as much as her baby has.
I dont know how she is getting her money, but it sure isnt by charging $20 for pictures of her kid, or a quarter of a million dollars an episode for gawkers to see him crying, screaming, frightned, feverish, vomiting, impacted, and humiliated. (I know, that's entertainment for you, isnt it?)
Please tell me what we know about Bristol's child. Is he shy and quiet or outgoing? What is he into? Is he a leader or a follower? Who is he most attached to? What's his favorite toy, favorite food? What doesn't he like? What is his relationship with his cousin who is the same age and his aunts and uncles?
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Have we seen Tripp's bare butt on television? Have we seen him sitting on a potty? Have we seen him crying in pain because he was constipated? Have we seen him having feces dug out of his behind? Have we seen Bristol order him to sit on the garage steps while she told him that she better not hear him breathe?
Bristol had her son on camera? WOW! Send in CPS! By the Double Standard's comment, then, EVERY celebrity whose child appears in a magazine, or who makes any kind of appearance with their child is guilty of exploiting a child? Get real! The act of exploiting implies an injust use for selfish motives/profits. Bristol is "using" Tripp because she's selfish? I can't imagine anyone other than a sheeple coming up with something like this!
These sheeple -- I'm telling you, if these comments wouldn't be so darned pathetic, they'd almost be amusing. Equating Kate's years of filming the crap out of her kids, as well as displaying their private moments on national television, with a few photos of Bristol's sons...and then calling it a double standard!
But, what can you expect from them? You just take it with the proverbial grain of salt and move on. That's all you can do.
Curds And Whey said...
Please tell me what we know about Bristol's child. Is he shy and quiet or outgoing? What is he into? Is he a leader or a follower? Who is he most attached to? What's his favorite toy, favorite food? What doesn't he like? What is his relationship with his cousin who is the same age and his aunts and uncles?
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Have we seen Tripp's bare butt on television? Have we seen him sitting on a potty? Have we seen him crying in pain because he was constipated? Have we seen him having feces dug out of his behind? Have we seen Bristol order him to sit on the garage steps while she told him that she better not hear him breathe?
Bristol had her son on camera? WOW! Send in CPS! By the Double Standard's comment, then, EVERY celebrity whose child appears in a magazine, or who makes any kind of appearance with their child is guilty of exploiting a child? Get real! The act of exploiting implies an injust use for selfish motives/profits. Bristol is "using" Tripp because she's selfish? I can't imagine anyone other than a sheeple coming up with something like this!
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She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son.
She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son.
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You've got to be kidding. I didn't realize you couldn't even talk about your child or you would be exploiting them.
Need I remind everyone that no one really had Kate's number for at least the first year or so. It was the repeated, relentless, consistent acts of exploitation that caught people's eye. Subsequent to that when it just continued and continued, it caught the rest of America's eye and she was done in the court of public opinion. Fool me 100 times shame on me.
I disagree Double Standards. There is no "it's either exploitation or it's not." This is not a black and white issue or there wouldn't be so much disagreement about it. I do not require Bristol Palin to be a perfect parent no more than I require Kate to be. Kate got cut a LOT of slack by me for literally years. If Bristol Palin exploited her child 7 days a week 365 days a year, she might start attracting attention. You cannot seriously be comparing a few speaking engagements to what Kate has done to these children.
When they say it's just Kate we gripe about, you know what, that's true. Because I cannot think of an example of any reality tv kid in America who has had their life so envaded and spit up and chewed out as these eight have. It's the absolute worst example out there of the absolute worst that can happen if you do this to your kid, so naturally it's getting most of the attention. I hope Bristol has and continues to learn from it.
Charlie Sheen makes better decisions than Kate. Charlie Sheen.
You are right! coked-up, selfish, drunk, horny CHARLIE SHEEN is a better parent than Kate Gosselin.
Sad and true. Might make a nice stand-alone post.
Have you noticed these questions I asked, "is he a leader or follower, what is he into" etc etc, are really only questions you should know the answer to if the child is your own child, a close relative, a child you are nannying for or for some other reason working closely with such as if you are a therapist, or a close friend's child?
But NOT some random child you have never met before in your life?
Hi LindaO - aka Not Quite, It helps, Double Standard, Facts Matter. It's so cute how you're pretending to be 4 different obnoxious Kate fans instead of just your usual (drive by pick an argument for something to do) self.
I know things are hard right now over there-what with creating more fake name fan(atics), bashing Jon and ignoring the whole FIRE LANE fiasco, but you'll never win with G8 'lovers' over here. The kids ACTUALLY matter to us. You're drivel just keeps slopping up the page.
By the way if Kate ever drowns a bag of kittens, will it be their fault because the kittens were cuddling too loud?
"She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son."
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I think that you are the only ONE arguing that...ONE of a flock of misguided sheeple who wandered over here to throw some of their manure this way. It will never work. The people here are too intelligent, and too wise to fall for the crap thrown out by the sheeple on a daily basis.
Didn't we say that these sheeple should be ignored, and Admin commented that she agreed that we shouldn't feed them? Let them get their dinner elsewhere. Maybe Kate has some left over chicken sammonella for them! I'm sure they would partake, with gusto, anything she would prepare for them! Just don't throw it up on this side of the fence! Keep it in your own pasture.
Maybe this analogy will help them understand. Say your child comes home with a note from the teacher. He punched another student. It's the second time it's happened in five years. He's not a violent kid. Do you write him off as a bully and deviant and put him in boot camp? Probably not. Now let's say that same kid punches students every day, or every other day. By the third or fourth week you might think this kid has some serious issues that need to be dealt with.
Same with Kate. She had a few missteps along the way. But then her missteps became constant and relentless. Now she's like that student picking fights daily and we're not falling for it anymore.
Double Standards Everywhere said...
She's using the fact that she got pregnant in high school to make $, so yes one could argue that she is exploiting her son.
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Ummm....she's not sitting her son on stage as a prop. Bristol is using the experience of having a child in her teens to help teach others to be more responsible about their sexual activity.
Dear Sheeple:
Please go here. (I won't post on your sites) This is what Kate thought of you at the height of her popularity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSSoZHDWgY fast forward to 2:33 .
BTW...she was MUCH thinner there than she is now.
I've said the same about Bristol. She's the perfect spokesperson for abstinence because she played the game (sex before marriage) and lost. Now she can tell her story of what her life is like. She doesn't need to bring her son to the picture because it's her story. Her son is the result of a choice she made but the story is not her son, the story is actually about the decision that she made.
I think she's a great mom. She lives in a modest home in a community that had low prices on homes, she made a good investment in a home and schooling and hopefully it all turns out well for her.
There is no comparison between Kate and Bristol and it should be a moot argument. Kate steps all over the backs of her children (while she films their lives) for fame. Bristol doesn't.
The sheeple think that the G kids getting exploited to death on TV is so cute & precious when they are puking, or crying, or saying they want to die, or passing out from heat exhaustion because TLC puts this cutesy music on the background. Like, Oh, how happy the kids are that they are rolling around in their own vomit! Exploit time! The kids don't mind, they're not of age to consent to such things, they don't understand, so it must be OK right? Let's add some much needed upbeat happy, cheesy music. At least, from Admin's recaps, that's what they do. Pretty low blow IMO. I just hate that TLC thinks that it is OK to do that when the kids are suffering. I am so glad I stopped watching long ago, I wish more would follow suit.
K8 was not easy to work/get along with before she met Jon. K8 manipulated her fetility treatments and was rewarded with twins and sextups. K8 was nasty and greedy about donations and with the many volunteers who helped. K8 has exploited her children for 6+ years so she could have the lifestyle of the rich and famous. K8 is a pathological liar.
K8 has a long history of selfish, narcissistic behavior. There is a PATTERN here, I don't understand why it's so hard for some to see it.
As for Bristol, as others have noted, she is not the first and certainly not the last person to benefit from a famous family member. I say as long as Bristol (or anyone else) uses that famous name to do some good, go for it. If Bristol wants to use her own experience to caution other teens about the risks of teenage sex, good for her. As for her gig on DWTS, she absolutely should not have been there as she is not a star or celeb and she was not the best dancer. That said, she seemed very sweet, worked hard and respected her partner. She also handled herself with dignity despite the negativity over her dancing, weight and mom.
I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
Marie, I think you have it wrong We want there to be no Gosselin news.
Please go here. (I won't post on your sites) This is what Kate thought of you at the height of her popularity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSSoZHDWgY fast forward to 2:33 .
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Good grief. She's sitting there, signing books while chomping on gum with an open mouth. I've seen cows chewing their cuds more tactfully than that. Didn't anyone, her PR people, or Steve, her handler, tell her that you don't meet your adoring public with a mouth full of gum? How disrespectful that looks to the people who came to meet her?
She wants to be so much, and yet she has no class whatsoever. Wow...
Marie said, "I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner."
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I'm not sure that I understand this. I haven't seen anyone on this blog "panicking." I'm sure that after the airing of the show this week, things will be humming on both fronts, quite possibly helping anyone who is writing any books.
Aw, I'm glad they had fun! I remember going to tons of birthday parties at our local skating rink (Skate Palace) when I was a kid. It was so much fun! I'm still bummed that they replaced Skate Palace with a daycare...
BerksPa, I like your recent comment addressed to Double Standards and other Sheeple. I’ve been waiting a long time to see just one single sheeple post a lucid response to questions like yours. I really want to know how they justify Kate’s actions but they’re only good for drive-by taunts, not explanations. I’ve come to the conclusion that they have no justification – they just love Kate unconditionally – the way the rest of us love our children. They don’t see anything negative. If she’s shown in a bad light from time to time it’s someone else’s fault. I looked at the YouTube clip you posted and this was Kate at the height of popularity. Just look at her adoring public! She still had most of us fooled back then. The trouble with the last remaining sheeple is they’re caught in a Kate-time-warp. They look at her today and still see that sweet mom in the clip.
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You nailed it, Hippie Chick! I saw an actual sheeple comment a couple of months ago and I quote: “Why can’t people just enjoy this cute little show?” This is all part and parcel of their unconditional Kate love. When they look at this show they only see cuteness and priceless memories in the making. Oh, and great mothering!
I don't know why anyone here would care what the sheeple think. I haven't visited a sheeple blog in over two years and I have no reason to now. They are either phonies that are yanking our chains for their pleasure, or they are young girls with no maternal insticts. That's my opinion. Arguing with them is a complete waste of time because NOTHING will change their opinions.
I say as long as Bristol (or anyone else) uses that famous name to do some good, go for it. If Bristol wants to use her own experience to caution other teens about the risks of teenage sex, good for her.
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You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do.
Marie said...
I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
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Yes, it’s slim pickin’s at the moment. There's a distinct pattern evolving as Kate news and pictures dwindle. The doldrums set in then a little bickering starts and then a sheeple remark appears so we can relieve our boredom on the sheep.
Although I can't help but wonder what people will do when she's completely gone, I hope the E! story is the true beginning of the end. That said, I expect TLC to air another special closely following the story to coincide with the flurry of tabloid and blog talk. There’s a distinct feeling of anticipation for the E! story in the world of Kate followers. The “haters” are hoping for a tell-all that will cover every one of her lies and her fans are preparing to go to battle and are making lists of everyone they’ll blame if the story ends up showing Kate in a bad light.
At this point, I’m more interested in how the blogs/bloggers will react when and if this is the real end of the Sad Saga of the not so great Kate. If the tabloids and paps cannot wring another penny out of her notoriety there will be no links or pictures to stimulate lengthy conversations and reminiscing about her bad behavior and extreme narcissism.
Maybe the bloggers will just continue beating a dead horse for decades. Maybe the kids will never know a moment of privacy or have even a normal day.
You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do.
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It's a pretty well understood fact that teenagers tend more to listen to their peers, as in people their own age, who have had the same experiences they have, than to listen to a bunch of adults they feel are "preaching" to them and who don't understand what they're feeling. Who better than Bristol Palen and others who have been through it?
I really don't want ANY show about Kate to get ratings. Does anyone know when E! does their rebroadcast?
Or perhaps Admin. will do a recap?
Did I miss what happened in the court hearing at the end of January or don't we know what happened ?
You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do.
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Personally,I think that Bristol is the perfect person to campaign for abstinence. She has lived it and will live with her decision for the rest of her and her baby's life.
The sheeple always argue about "walking a mile in K8's shoes". Well, Bristol has walked a mile in the teen-pregnancy shoes and is speaking out about it.
just wondering and all the others who cannot see the forest through the trees , really, is it that exciting for you to come here to stir the pot?
I found an article from almost two years ago I think.The comments section was pretty interesting :
"what a scam
Posted by Anonymous | Feb. 25, 2009 at 1:55 PM
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Too bad for the Gosselins Rothermel and the state unemployment office arent bound by the same confidentiality clauses her fertility doctors are. She better hope that true story never sees the light of day." (interesting...)
From the article,this line made my day(I found it really funny and true at the same time)
“We had no van … no car seats … no cribs, we didn’t have room in our house, we had no income,” she sniffles, and her fans nod in sympathy. They’ve watched. They know. "
Here's the full article:
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon_and_kate_gosselin/
"I’ve been waiting a long time to see just one single sheeple post a lucid response to questions like yours. I really want to know how they justify Kate’s actions but they’re only good for drive-by taunts, not explanations. I’ve come to the conclusion that they have no justification..."
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I think that it goes back to the old 16th century Machiavellian doctrine that the end justifies the means when he theorized that security (the end) is more important than what means were used to get there (morality). Of course, Sheeple wouldn't understand any of this, but when applied to Kate, they would embrace this principle. They see that the end (lavish lifestyle, endless trips, material possessions) are the most important, and it doesn't matter that she got there by exploiting her children (the means).
You know, the sheeple claim you chastise Kate and ignore other people who according to them do the same as Kate.They say we hate Kate because it mmakes us feel better about ourselves,it's not that we care about the kids.They even went as far as saying it's us the G kids hate, because we won't leave them alone.
A couple of years back, there was this child star from Mexic(?) you know one of those kids who play in soap operas and I remember there was a clip of her on a site,she was about 8 and she had just gone to the dentist and she was crying because the doctor had pulled a tooth out.I though a camera being there in that moment was so invasive and abnormal.
I was appalled by that video,that 5 minutes dentist video, I have no words to describe how I feel about children's vomit being shown on TV,or potty training sessions or bath time.I would be just as appalled if it were any other child in this world.I am convinced everyone here would be just as appalled regardless of who the children are.
But of course,we hate Kate is the sheeple's grate defense for Kate so..
Marie said...
I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
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Yay, yippee & hooray!! You mean, Kate hasn't been tanning, running to Target & getting her nails done? That's all she frigin does, isn't it? Maybe, just maybe, INF wised up & realized how BORING pictures of Kate running her lame-ass errands are to look at. I know I don't click on those pictures. I have my own boring, mindless errands to run, they don't involve tanning & mani/pedis...but you get my drift. Kate is just so damn predictable. She is not out there helping at a charity, or dishing out food to the homeless, or spending QUALITY time with her kids most importantly. Nope, she is just selfishly doing her own tedious, mundane, monotonous routine. Every chance she gets, to get her vain, sadistic mug in the rags or on the web.
I hope we don't see her & she doesn't pull another stupid stunt to stay relevant. I think Kate feels like she NEEDS to pull dumb acts to stay in the limelight. Do real & SMART celebs do that? Nope. Just fake & DUMB ones. And desperate ones. (I've been ranting a lot! I promise I won't for awhile!) Sorry all! :) ~Peace, <3, :)
You think Bristol Palin should go out and capitalize on teenage pregnancy? Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice?\
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Just wondering: Continue to wonder because al you are doing here is arguing to get a rise out of bloggers. It doesn't work. It's baloney, and with any smarts at all, you'd know it.
Your "logic" (and I use that term loosely) is astonishing. With this argument, then no drug or alcohol addicts who have recovered should share their experiences with anyone? They made mistakes and are trying to help others who might be going down the same road. Should they should hide in a closet and make no effort to relate the horrors of addiction to those who might benefit from hearing about a personal experience? If a teenager who has been convicted of DUI that resulted in a death would go around to colleges and universities making speeches against driving and drinking (and yes, they do get paid for it) they shouldn't do it because they knew drinking and driving was wrong but nevertheless did it anyway? They shouldn't appeal to the hundreds of college students that drinking and driving does indeed kill?
The way I see it, Kate should be bashed on blogs for the rest of her life, even after she's long out of the spotlight and not recognized anymore.
She has all but set her kids up for a lifetime of problems from the fallout of being exploited, so she should have to feel the same pain.
Why should Kate get to fade off into the sunset with her millions, while the children begin their lives as teens and adults saddled with emotional issues because of the show?
I want Kate to still be trashed on blogs even when she's 67 years old and all the younger generations are saying "I've never heard of the Gosselins".
She deserves to have a life of people talking smack about her for what she chose to do to her children for her own financial windfall. You can bet there will always be something to dig at her about, because she deserves it. She made her bed and will have to lie in it.
I want her to be on her deathbed and know that people still remember what a horrible mother she was...even if the show ended 50 years ago.
But you know what? All she would have to do to stop it is say, "I was wrong. I messed up. The show is done. I should've listened to what people were saying. I need to help my kids for what I've done to them."
That will never happen, though. She could care less what her kids are going to face as adults, as long as she's got her mansion and tanning money.
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Marie said...
I imagine all of the Kate Gosselin blogs - anti and pro alike - are all kind of panicking now that there isn't much Kate Gosselin in the news. Won't be good for book sales for one blog owner.
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Yes, it’s slim pickin’s at the moment. There's a distinct pattern evolving as Kate news and pictures dwindle. The doldrums set in then a little bickering starts and then a sheeple remark appears so we can relieve our boredom on the sheep.
Although I can't help but wonder what people will do when she's completely gone, I hope the E! story is the true beginning of the end. That said, I expect TLC to air another special closely following the story to coincide with the flurry of tabloid and blog talk. There’s a distinct feeling of anticipation for the E! story in the world of Kate followers. The “haters” are hoping for a tell-all that will cover every one of her lies and her fans are preparing to go to battle and are making lists of everyone they’ll blame if the story ends up showing Kate in a bad light.
At this point, I’m more interested in how the blogs/bloggers will react when and if this is the real end of the Sad Saga of the not so great Kate. If the tabloids and paps cannot wring another penny out of her notoriety there will be no links or pictures to stimulate lengthy conversations and reminiscing about her bad behavior and extreme narcissism.
Maybe the bloggers will just continue beating a dead horse for decades. Maybe the kids will never know a moment of privacy or have even a normal day.
Why are you so interested in what the bloggers will do when the show finally ends? We've said, over and over and over, that we'll be happy when the show ends and the kids have a private life that they've worked hard for and richly deserve. Contrary to your opinion, we do have other interests and we'll have no trouble filling the few minutes we spend each day on the Gosselins with something else and we'll be just fine.
The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
The phenomenon of reality tv and the effects of filming children from infancy and for such a lengthly period of time is just now taking place and the results won't be known until the kids are well into adulthood. They WILL be talked about for many, many years to com.
Perhaps some good might come from this tragedy after all; maybe other families will learn what NOT to do and laws will be enacted to protect children from fame and money hungry parents and exploitative networks.
BTW, Kate and Jon are to blame for their children having no privacy - not the bloggers.
So the blogger who is writing the book....isn't she exploiting the kids and trying to make a dime off their backs also? She can use any brush she wants to paint the picture but exploitation is exploitation.
In my Entertainment Weekly's Hit List this week:
E! debuts True Hollywood Story about Kate Gosselin Let me save you the time: fertility treatment. Twins. Fertility treatment. Sextuplets. Plastic surgery. Reality show. Divorce. Hair. Reality show. Reality show. Reality show.
(me now) Hahaha!! Reality show. Reality show...Yes Kate...keep it up. That is ALL you are. A reality show famewhore. Sad. Sad. Sad.
just wondering said: "Bristol should preach about abstinence when she didn't follow her own advice? She's just out making a buck off of her name for something she didn't even do."
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So should a smoker with lung cancer not tell young kids never to smoke? By your logic, the smoker didn't follow her/his own advice, so they shouldn't warn people of the consequences of lighting up, right?
Apparently, the CW is developing a show where average people hang out with celebs they detest the most called 'H8R'. Did they get that idea from Twist of Kate??
There is a difference between exploiting and reaching out.
It seems to me that Bristol is telling teens that your place in society, your wealth, your
fame, your upbringing, etc. do not keep you from getting pregnant. Everyone is on equal footing when it comes to the risk of getting pregnant if precautions are not taken, or if they are not used correctly. If you are the Queen of the Universe or if you are a street dweller, every woman has to take control of her body, make reasonable decisions, and then deal with any unplanned circumstances.
Bristol is going farther than that, though. She is advocating abstinance. I know that will fall on deaf ears, but at least she is showing that the risks of young sex are physical, emotional and financial risks.
I don't care what her last name is. If she can get a message out to teens, boys and girls alike, I'm all for it.
Laurie said... So the blogger who is writing the book....isn't she exploiting the kids and trying to make a dime off their backs also? She can use any brush she wants to paint the picture but exploitation is exploitation.
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I totally agree. I just don't think it's right that she claims to be for the kids, and turns around and puts this out there for them to see, and profits from it.
I'm not convinced of her true motives for doing what she does ( with her blog and now book ). Me thinks somebody else is trying to be famous off the backs of children.
If it's the unrealness of reality shows that is her beef, why did she choose to write only of the Gosselins, when there are buttloads of reality shows that are produced the same ways?
I don't mean to bash her, I think she's a nice lady, but I think it is VERY hypocritical of her to put this book out. And I feel she is just using the Gosselin kids as a stepping stone to further her own career and name.
The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
Don't forget therapists, lawyers, GAL's, judges, etc.
Blog Away, People said...The way I see it, Kate should be bashed on blogs for the rest of her life, even after she's long out of the spotlight and not recognized anymore....I want Kate to still be trashed on blogs even when she's 67 years old...
We'll be just fine said...Contrary to your opinion, we do have other interests and we'll have no trouble filling the few minutes we spend each day on the Gosselins with something else and we'll be just fine.
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@We'll be just fine, I think there's a difference in opinion among the bloggers. Perhaps now you can see why I said, "Maybe the bloggers will just continue beating a dead horse for decades."
I'll be very glad when there is no more "news" about Kate and the kids although I worry that she has irreperably damaged them and will, most likely, do so until they are old enough to venture out on their own. To those posters that think we won't have anything to occupy our time if the Kate blogs close I have to say this: HA HA HA! I've got more than enough on my plate as it is. Turn your attention to the Sheeple blogs they are the ones who seem to be totally invested in Kate.
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
For some reason, my last post didn't make it but I've been having some odd techie probs here lately. ( I have to click 'post comment' 3 times )
ANYWAY....I think enough have responded to you, just wondering, and have already very perfectly stated what I would have written. Your "logic" is completely ILlogical to say the least.
A little housekeeping...I've looked online and cannot find the answer as to why some people have to click "post comment" two or three times before it goes through. If anyone else is interested in trying to find the solution to this I'd very much appreciate. I have the same problem and it's annoying.
Frequent visitor said...
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
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No problem, Frequent visitor :o)
I have no desire to watch any program that features that creature.
Administrator said... A little housekeeping...I've looked online and cannot find the answer as to why some people have to click "post comment" two or three times before it goes through. If anyone else is interested in trying to find the solution to this I'd very much appreciate. I have the same problem and it's annoying.
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I have found that if I click on "Post Comment" without typing anything (and you will get a little red message that says COMMENT SHOULD NOT BE BLANK) and then go ahead and type and post, it goes through faster.
In my non-tech mind, it's almost as if I have to wake up the posting function, otherwise I have to click 4 times to get a comment to go through.
Sorry, that is all I know.
Susantoyota said... The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
Don't forget therapists, lawyers, GAL's, judges, etc.
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I also predict sociology courses on why and how in the WORLD folks saw this happening to these small children and DID LITTLE until the damage to the children was complete and there was nothing left to watch . Studies into HOW did a cable network manipulate us into thinking this was delightful entertainment. In fact, some people even clustered together to defend a mother's 'right' to abuse her children on TV for pay - studies will be done about who THOSE folks are and how watching this unbalanced them.
It will include Octo-mom, who tried to cash in too, to the detriment of 14 children; all the teen mother shows which display abhorrent parenting and parental acting out... The list is still going on.
Weighing more heavily than damage to a family unit will be the destruction done to the individual person. To a young man or young woman whose last name is Gosselin who was forced to grow up this way and is now a miserable, non-functioning human being. When not even a judge would lift a finger to save them.
Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings.
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As far as I know, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, no ratings will go to her as a result of this show. This is not TLC programming. Kate Plus Eight will not get anything out of this.
Forgot to mention:
Bristol Palin being paid for supporting abstinence is 10000000 x better than the teenage moms being paid for their "stories" on tv and in the mags. IMO, THOSE girls , and everyone else involved , are the ones that are glorifying and exploiting this alarming trend. I read recently that there are 90 teens who are pregnant or already have a baby at a Memphis high school. If Bristol can make even one young girl think twice, that's a good thing.
Laurie said... So the blogger who is writing the book....isn't she exploiting the kids and trying to make a dime off their backs also? She can use any brush she wants to paint the picture but exploitation is exploitation.
Laurie, I totally agree. I think it is completely hypocritical that another blog owner is writing a book about the G8. However, having said that I am doubtful that there will be any more of her books sold than Kate's latest book. I must admit I did read her friend's book and what a total waste of money it was (and terribly written).
So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
To me, that makes as much sense as saying someone writing a book about losing weight is promoting eating disorders. What?
Laurie, I totally agree. I think it is completely hypocritical that another blog owner is writing a book about the G8. However, having said that I am doubtful that there will be any more of her books sold than Kate's latest book. I must admit I did read her friend's book and what a total waste of money it was (and terribly written).
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I don't waste my time reading books from self-professed writers who claim to be authors. It's a struggle just to get through a poorly-written book, and you wonder where the editors were and how in the world that thing got published. I think that there are a few who are capitalizing...trying to profit off these kids, and it's shameful. It all comes down to the ego thing, and trying to make a name in the Gosselin saga, not to mention the hope of some cash coming their way. These tell-all writers are a dime a dozen, and that's exactly how much they make from their sales -- a dime.
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So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
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The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids? The previous book written that was supposed to be a tell-all was nothing more than a spitting out and compilation of what was reported in the blogs and various other internet "sources."
And yes, it IS making money off the backs of the kids, no matter how one tries to spin it.
The book by WG is not a tell all. She's described it as "interviews, discussions and essays from experts and others who've watched the Gosselin saga since the beginning as well as authorities on the entertainment industry, television production, and reality TV." It's about reality tv's impact on the family, not up close and personal stories. How about we not judge the book or it's author until it's been released and someone has read it?
All This Is That said... Bubbles said...
So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
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The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids? The previous book written that was supposed to be a tell-all was nothing more than a spitting out and compilation of what was reported in the blogs and various other internet "sources."
And yes, it IS making money off the backs of the kids, no matter how one tries to spin it.
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THE TRUTH? Kate & the truth do not go togther.
She lies, and lies, and lies, and lies- sometimes so blatantly that it's laughable!
Say what you will, but you can't deny the truth that those 8 innocent children are being EXPLOITED and EXPOSED TO THE WORLD by their own MOTHER- and that's a mighty low down crappy thing to do to your 8 little blessings.
Stop blaming the messenger for trying to bring attention to the Gosselin 8's dilemma.
**P.S. Kate is f**ked through and through- and if more people don't speak up, her children will be f**ked as well. The days of keeping quiet are done- deal with it.
I agree with y'all who say that AL Walentis' book was a waste of time. It was nothing but a trash job of Jon, designed to show him in the worst possible light, while ignoring Kate's role in the whole debacle. However, Werny Gal contributed a chapter to that book, and what she had to say not only made a lot of sense, it was fairly well-written. It's a mistake to assume that just because a book is self-published, that it must be trash. Because many publishing companies are dropping even best-selling authors, many authors are going to self-publishing. I recently had a brief email discussion with an author who writes a cozy series I'm particularly fond of. His last book in the series was a best seller and nominated for several mystery writer awards, but his publisher dropped him because his readership "didn't grow fast enough". Let's wait until Werny Gal's book comes out before we judge the contents, and her. By the same token, let's wait until the E!THS airs before we decide that it's just a puff piece to glorify Kate.
All This Is That said... The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids?
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And yet when one asks the bloggers why they blog, they will tell you it's because they want people to know the truth about Kate.
Where do the bloggers find the truth? Isn't it from the same sources you mention?
"And yet when one asks the bloggers why they blog, they will tell you it's because they want people to know the truth about Kate."
Where do the bloggers find the truth? Isn't it from the same sources you mention?
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Bloggers are at a disadvantage when trying to find the truth because there are so many versions of the "truth" that exist. Kate doesn't even know the truth, so how can bloggers be expected to know what she doesn't?
That said there are bloggers who do know her, have met her, and/or have had enough personal experiences with her to know what she is like as a person and as a mom. These people could write a credible story, but so far, haven't stepped forward to do so.
If I were reading a non-fiction book on the "story," I would find it much more believable if the book contained interviews with the subject, and confirmed sources rather than a rehashing of what had been reported as "the truth" ad infinitum.
Case in point. I've been friends with a major celebrity for many, many years. Some years ago, a "true story of -----" was made about this person. The movie was based on heresay and speculation. While there were parts of it that were true and actually took place, the movie not only was historically incorrect and continued so many distorted facts, the end result was a joke. There were many die-hard fans, as well as biographers and historians who spotted the inaccuracies and actually would have done a better job at writing a screenplay.
In contrast, a television movie was later made about the same person. This time, the writer got the "facts" from the horse's mouth, and the subject was interviewed at length. The result was an accurate portrayal of this person, his/her background, bio, etc. They did a nice job with it.
Additionally, there have been a plethora of books written about my friend. I've read many of them, and I'd ask him/her about parts that left me curious. His/her reply was, "that never happened." How do these authors come up with what turns out to be pure fiction, or in the very least, a distortion of the facts? It's anyone's guess.
If future books on the Gosselin are written, and I would believe that there will be a few "truth about" stories that will come out, I think I'd take them with the proverbial grain of salt. It may be juicy reading, but separating fact from fiction would be difficult because there have been so many versions of the truth tossed about on the internet, in magazines, and on blogs. It may very well be a case of "the boy who cried wolf." If a book is written that is based on fact, readers will have been so fed up with the pseudo tell-all books, that they won't be able to distinguish a credible book from the garden variety ones that have previously been written.
It's up to the reader what he wants to believe, knowing that the "truth" is either many times nebulous, or will forever be out of reach.
@Diogenes-Excellent post.
It's up to the reader what he wants to believe, knowing that the "truth" is either many times nebulous, or will forever be out of reach.
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Your post confirms, in my mind, at least, that the bloggers, by continuing to rehash her every move as a way to get the truth out to people who don't know what a terrible person Kate is, are spinning their wheels. AND have given her an inflated view of herself. Kate herself has said, "...Because I don't have time to do anything different, contrary to the very popular belief of the world that things are different."
And may I add, continuing to keep her name a commodity is only furthering the exploitation of her children.
Kate will continue to be the biggest reason for her own downfall. My fervent wish is for everyone to leave her to her own destructive devices and let the ensuing silence be a beginning of peace for those kids.
Hmm....after further reading here..it seems that it has always been the fire lane and not any handicapped spaces involved when Kate's parked illegally. Sorry about that inaccuracy.
Hmm....after further reading here..it seems that it has always been the fire lane and not any handicapped spaces involved when Kate's parked illegally. Sorry about that inaccuracy.
"And yet when one asks the bloggers why they blog, they will tell you it's because they want people to know the truth about Kate."
Where do the bloggers find the truth? Isn't it from the same sources you mention?
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Bloggers are at a disadvantage when trying to find the truth because there are so many versions of the "truth" that exist. Kate doesn't even know the truth, so how can bloggers be expected to know what she doesn't?
That said there are bloggers who do know her, have met her, and/or have had enough personal experiences with her to know what she is like as a person and as a mom. These people could write a credible story, but so far, haven't stepped forward to do so.
If I were reading a non-fiction book on the "story," I would find it much more believable if the book contained interviews with the subject, and confirmed sources rather than a rehashing of what had been reported as "the truth" ad infinitum.
Case in point. I've been friends with a major celebrity for many, many years. Some years ago, a "true story of -----" was made about this person. The movie was based on heresay and speculation. While there were parts of it that were true and actually took place, the movie not only was historically incorrect and continued so many distorted facts, the end result was a joke. There were many die-hard fans, as well as biographers and historians who spotted the inaccuracies and actually would have done a better job at writing a screenplay.
In contrast, a television movie was later made about the same person. This time, the writer got the "facts" from the horse's mouth, and the subject was interviewed at length. The result was an accurate portrayal of this person, his/her background, bio, etc. They did a nice job with it.
Additionally, there have been a plethora of books written about my friend. I've read many of them, and I'd ask him/her about parts that left me curious. His/her reply was, "that never happened." How do these authors come up with what turns out to be pure fiction, or in the very least, a distortion of the facts? It's anyone's guess.
If future books on the Gosselin are written, and I would believe that there will be a few "truth about" stories that will come out, I think I'd take them with the proverbial grain of salt. It may be juicy reading, but separating fact from fiction would be difficult because there have been so many versions of the truth tossed about on the internet, in magazines, and on blogs. It may very well be a case of "the boy who cried wolf." If a book is written that is based on fact, readers will have been so fed up with the pseudo tell-all books, that they won't be able to distinguish a credible book from the garden variety ones that have previously been written.
It's up to the reader what he wants to believe, knowing that the "truth" is either many times nebulous, or will forever be out of reach.
All This Is That said... Bubbles said...
So, everyone wants the public to know the truth about Jon and Kate, but when someone writes a book about it to try and get the info out there, it's exploiting the kids?
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The truth? Whose version of the truth? The writer of the book in question does not know, nor has even met Kate. Why should one believe anything that comes off the pen of a writer who bases statements on just the fodder around town and in the tabloids? The previous book written that was supposed to be a tell-all was nothing more than a spitting out and compilation of what was reported in the blogs and various other internet "sources."
And yes, it IS making money off the backs of the kids, no matter how one tries to spin it.
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THE TRUTH? Kate & the truth do not go togther.
She lies, and lies, and lies, and lies- sometimes so blatantly that it's laughable!
Say what you will, but you can't deny the truth that those 8 innocent children are being EXPLOITED and EXPOSED TO THE WORLD by their own MOTHER- and that's a mighty low down crappy thing to do to your 8 little blessings.
Stop blaming the messenger for trying to bring attention to the Gosselin 8's dilemma.
**P.S. Kate is f**ked through and through- and if more people don't speak up, her children will be f**ked as well. The days of keeping quiet are done- deal with it.
Frequent visitor said...
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
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No problem, Frequent visitor :o)
I have no desire to watch any program that features that creature.
I know everyone here is very curious as to how Kate will be portrayed on the E THS this Wednesday. Please, please do not watch this show on its first run! Do not give her the ratings. This channel will pick her up and do a comeback show with her like Kendra or the Kardashians when TLC drops her! There are going to be plenty of re-airings, so watch one of those after the ratings come out or better yet get a recap from the admin.
I'll be very glad when there is no more "news" about Kate and the kids although I worry that she has irreperably damaged them and will, most likely, do so until they are old enough to venture out on their own. To those posters that think we won't have anything to occupy our time if the Kate blogs close I have to say this: HA HA HA! I've got more than enough on my plate as it is. Turn your attention to the Sheeple blogs they are the ones who seem to be totally invested in Kate.
The Gosselin family WILL be studied for many years; they'll be discussed by psychologists, legislators, and media historians, because unfortunately for the Gosselins they're the test case for the damage being done to families by reality tv.
Don't forget therapists, lawyers, GAL's, judges, etc.
Did I miss what happened in the court hearing at the end of January or don't we know what happened ?
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