If you want to take down the kart twits at the top of this page, it will be fine by me.
Frankly, I do read them when I sign on here and her twats always piss me off, so you'd be helping my blood pressure! LOL
My reaction to her has become so visceral - like pavlov's dogs, I hear kart and I get majorly annoyed. She is so vile...
Some one commented 'starve the beast' - I agree.
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I agree on removing that twit's twitter counter on top. It serves no one here.
Quite frankly, I'm also sick of her, and the people that choose to hover around her. Plenty of good people have exposed her & TLC for the monsters they are already. The damage has been done,let Karma do the rest.
IMO, Kate Gosselin is not worth my time, and energy- and I'll be damned if I allow her mere, toxic existance affect my happiness. Kate & TLC can shove it.
Did anyone notice the nearly identical tweets she sent out about 8 hours apart? She only changed the greeting part, the rest was identical. Ummm, that's a little weird.
Anyway, I'm all for ignoring this hag. I've had enough of her for now, off to enjoy the rest of my summer.
Admin, you do a GREAT job and this is a classy blog. Keep up the good work.
Admin - I think that she said her standards for cleaning and organization were under attack and I took that to mean that the traveling side show bus/RV wasn't up to her standards. She's still trying to make everyone believe that she's a clean freak.....I don't think so I remember her being barefoot in NYC and at that gas station!
Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
I'm surprised that after being on reality tv for seven seasons, Kate isn't credited as producer for her own show. It sounds like she has a hand in the production, if TLC listens and uses some of her suggestions for the show's episodes. Not only would she have had greater control of the show's final output (including how she's portrayed on tv), but she would be making additional money on top of their usual salary.
I don't understand why she didn't make this a deal-breaker when they were renewing their contract, especially when she was one of TLC's biggest stars.
The Roloffs were producers of their own show, so TLC probably wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Kate is definitely not business savvy. It wouldn't surprise me if she isn't a producer of her defunct "Twist of Kate" show.
Tweet hmm, I was assuming that as usual Kate left out all punctuation. When she said they've had "challenges" plural I assumed she was listing the challenges, which include cleanliness and being under attack. But you're right I think she means her cleanliness is under attack. Understanding her tweets is a game in itself.
TLC ship said.... I'm surprised that after being on reality tv for seven seasons, Kate isn't credited as producer for her own show. &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& One word I think, laziness. She just wants to have the money handed to her. She could care less about helping to make a great product or shaping the direction of the show or anything, she just wants to sit there and have someone spoon feed it to her like a baby.
Most celebrities after having a show where they are the star this long definitely have a producer credit at this stage and spend a great deal of time working on the show and making it better and coming up with other spin offs or projects. ESPECIALLY a reality show about you. You're right I don't think Kate has a business savvy bone in her body. I don't think she could sell lemonade. It's sad because I think she could have made 10 times what she did. If the kids have to work away their childhoods, you might as well show them some serious cash for it when they are adults. But as usual their stupid mother can't even give them that.
Let's look at other folks similarly situated to Kate, on IMDB. Kris Jenner: producer credit. Kathy Griffin: executive producer credit. Paris Hilton (The World According to Paris): executive producer credit. Amy Roloff: producer credit.
I thought Jon and Kate did have producer status, or at least in name. Weren't people up in arms and confused on how they could let certain things air, when they were supposedly pre-viewing and editing every episode?
Also, I would not so much blame Kate for being business stupid (well, she's pretty much everything stupid) but her attorneys and management. Then again, they were probably hired by TLC.
No business sense in either Kate or Jon. It has bitten Jon, and hopefully it will get Kate too. Just let the kids be collateral damage, at least not more than they have been. Decades of therapy there, and even then the sad fact is at least 2 may already be too far gone.
I think it might be beneficial to require that networks are not to negotiate contracts with reality hopefuls unless they have representation, be it a lawyer, agent or something else.
"One word I think, laziness. She just wants to have the money handed to her. She could care less about helping to make a great product or shaping the direction of the show or anything, she just wants to sit there and have someone spoon feed it to her like a baby."
Not only lazy but I have noticed over the years that Kate is really not great at anything. She obviously not very coordinated, i.e. DWTS, according to her she barely got through the ab champs infomercial, and everything she tries she has trouble with. I don't understand why people think she's such a great cook, I've seen pictures of her creations. There are only a few things Kate is really passionate about...free things, fame, looking sexy, and easy money. If anyone can name one thing Kate excels at I would be surprised.
Tamara, I think it's probably premature to suggest that two of the sextuplets may be "too far gone" to benefit from therapy, at the age of 7. It might be appropriate to make that judgment when they are adults and have done worse things than be expelled from school for behaviour that is the product of Kate's parenting style!
Long time lurker here.... This is the only place I read Kate's tweets, and I enjoy the convenience of seeing them here. If people don't like seeing them when they open this web site, what about moving her tweets to the end, past the rules, where one would only see them if they were sought out? Please don't take them off the blog entirely. :) :) Please....
Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
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Absolutely. Well said. It reminds me of things that went on in elementary school. You have a spat with your friends and you go to another group and badmouth the kid or kids with whom you are having a spat. Something happens with the second group of friends, and you go back to the first group of friends and badmouth the second group. Yes, you may feel you've been wronged, but you don't change sides and play one against the other. It's childish. Kids do it because they don't have the experience or emotional development to deal with those situations. They're just kids. Adults should behave with much more maturity.
I thought Jon and Kate did have producer status, or at least in name
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Tamara, I remember it, too. There was mention of Kate producing or having a hand in production because I thought at the time, oh, great...she's going to be running the show - trips to Europe, Asia, cruises. grifting until the cows come home!
Gotyournumber I totally agree. Kate is just kind of mediocre, not special talents or skills. Things she tries she fails at. Dancing, for one.
On that note, I kind of wonder if Kate's over the top personality and shenanigans is to compensate for a lot of very deep insecurities. I wonder if deep down she knows that she is nothing without the kids.
On that note, I kind of wonder if Kate's over the top personality and shenanigans is to compensate for a lot of very deep insecurities. I wonder if deep down she knows that she is nothing without the kids. ______________________________________________
On some level, deep down, I'm sure she does. However, she continues to grift her way thru her life rather than put in the time and effort to develop a second career which would give her the ability to support herself and the children after the show ends. I think it's a combination of her mental health issues and laziness.
Red Sky At Night said... Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
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Off the top of my head I can think of five different business ideas Kate could have been developing all this time as a spinoff to the show as a second, and possibly even MORE lucrative career. She was given a golden opportunity of a built in audience most people could only dream of and she did nothing. She tanned and got manicures and went to Target and did nothing to continue this gravy train. Now when the show ends she'll have to dig into the children's piggy banks until it's out and when they're 18, they'll have nothing. Their trust funds won't help them since you can dig into them for things like schooling. The kids are screwed, essentially.
Their trust funds won't help them since you can dig into them for things like schooling. The kids are screwed, essentially.
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The law stipulated that at least 15 percent of the gross proceeds, due to the children, must be placed in trust funds until they reach the age of 18 or unless needed for their safety, education, welfare or health. She can dig into the fund for more things than schooling, such as any medical care, clothing, ANYTHING for their well-being, including security, haircuts, transportation, and basically, all living expenses because the term "welfare" is so broad.
Under the new law, Bill 1548, it specifically states:
"The minor's parent or guardian may serve as trustee of the child performer trust account.
v) Once the minor's trust account balance reaches one hundred-fifty thousand ($150,000.00) dollars or more, a trust company shall be appointed by the minor's parent or guardian to serve as trustee of the account."
That's all well and good, but if there isn't $150,000 in the account, is there any watch dog out there to whom she must report how the money is being spent? If it has reached $150,000, must she request the money from the trust company and justify every penny spent?
Administrator said . . . Off the top of my head I can think of five different business ideas Kate could have been developing all this time as a spinoff to the show as a second, and possibly even MORE lucrative career. She was given a golden opportunity of a built in audience most people could only dream of and she did nothing. She tanned and got manicures and went to Target and did nothing to continue this gravy train. Now when the show ends she'll have to dig into the children's piggy banks until it's out and when they're 18, they'll have nothing. Their trust funds won't help them since you can dig into them for things like schooling. The kids are screwed, essentially. ____________________________________________________
Yet all she does is drag the children all over creation filming the ---- out of them and go on twitter every couple of hours announcing the number of her twitter followers and sucking up to them by saying she has enjoyed getting to know them. She does know she's not getting paid so many $ for each person who follows her on twitter, right? Or does she think her twitter followers will financially support her when the show ends? If she is, she's even more stupid and lazy than I thought since many of her followers have created multiple accounts to boost her numbers.
talk is real said... Red Sky At Night said... Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
It's about every legal, financial, and even public relations deals that have happened since, all of which seemed to have hurt Jon. And the kids of course.
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Unless one has been a party to every legal, financial and public relations deal in which Jon was engaged, how would one know exactly what he did, or what he didn't do? I would expect that there would have been much legal maneuvering done behind the scenes that never was made public, nor should it have been.
Don't give Kate ideas about being paid for producing. She probably thinks that thinking up places to go and things to get for free would qualify for that. Doesn't quite cut it though--you need to cost it out. She could never figure travel schedules and costs. She'd have giant holes in the itinery. 'Oops, where'd I put that?" " I thought they were open on Monday." "I didn't get the crew rooms; I thought they'd do that." "Where is the food?"
On another note, the Tour is great. Rained most every day, today looked like hail beating down. So glad they have it on tv.
Administrator said: If Jaycee Duggard can be successfully treated in therapy after 18 years of abuse anyone can. ****************************************************************** While I agree, that it is impressive that Jaycee appears to be doing well with therapy and I applaud her, but the biggest difference between her and Kate is Jaycee WANTED to deal with the issue at hand. Narcissists like Kate don't deal with their issues because they don't believe they have anything to work on. Everyone else has/is the problem. Kate will NEVER admit that she might have some things she needs to work on (understatement, I know) because in her mind, she's just fine. If anyone else has a problem with her, then THEY are the ones who are at fault or have things they need to work on....not her.
Kate is a narcissist. Plain and simple. And narcissists do not change. Ever.
"Administrator said... Off the top of my head I can think of five different business ideas Kate could have been developing all this time as a spinoff to the show as a second, and possibly even MORE lucrative career"
I have always said that Kate is not resourceful at all. She seems to wait for others to do things for her. She could have written organizational books. Her cooking? Eh, I have never seen anything special she has done. Her "creations" are rip offs from published works/magazines such as Good Housekeeping. (the infamous 4th of July cake) so that would out as soon as the recipes were reseatched, as they do with all cookbooks. I suspect this is the very reason her cookbook was nixed.
She could have gone into her own line of kids clothes. That would have probably taken off big time. BUT, it is a lot of work. LOL
At the height of their popularity, sure she could have done many things. When she had more people fooled. It is too bad neither of them had much business sense to turn their populartiy into big bank. I was so shocked when Jon said they didn't even have an attorney when they signed their original contracts. No matter how "hungry" you are, you have to use your head. And $22,500 an episode, I think Jon said that is what they were making after 2 years? Wow. That was a stunner too.
The Osbournes did their show the first year for 5K an episode, when they saw how popular it was, they negotiated for $5 MILLION per for the second year. Now THAT is good business sense.
I had read that TLC made over 300 million just on their show alone. Sad they didn't turn that into a huge payoff. I suspect they trusted TLC and didn't fight whatever they offered them. But during the divorce, Jon said he tried to get Kate to see what TLC was doing to them, but she wouldn't listen.
IDModo said... Tamara, I think it's probably premature to suggest that two of the sextuplets may be "too far gone" to benefit from therapy, at the age of 7. It might be appropriate to make that judgment when they are adults and have done worse things than be expelled from school for behaviour that is the product of Kate's parenting style!
ID, I didn't mean specifically Collin, or Alexis, though I can see how my comment might have seemed that way. Vaugness plagues me lol. Because children are so often who they essentially be already at age 3, and love maps are made by age 6, it will be hard going for all eight. Then add in abuse (mental, physical and emotional), the extreme sexuality/female-male based judgments, abuses witnessed, favouritism towards certain kids, obvious dislike of other by parents, mother's obsession with cleanliness, and control, the control of food, and their potty training problems (again control, force, shame, publicity, though that was unknown at the time), and that a lot of this was caught on film and shown to millions, including over and over to the kids themselves. Don't get me wrong, I desperately hope ALL eight can with time and help overcome all of this, but I worry. And not just for the eight, but for society at large. Too many child psychology and abnormal psych classes mixed with knowledge of crime I guess. Makes me overly freaked.
"E-Town neighbor That's all well and good, but if there isn't $150,000 in the account, is there any watch dog out there to whom she must report how the money is being spent? If it has reached $150,000, must she request the money from the trust company and justify every penny spent? "
I have dealt with a trust company. It is NOT easy to get money at all. They put you through all sorts of hoops, and you have to prove REALLY prove what you need it for. You also have to disclose every penny you have to justify that the funds are needed. It is to protect the money for the parties involved, so it is understandable. Usually after all the hoops have been jumped though, then you have to go to court to get the transaction approved. The court double checks everyone to make sure everything is kosher before approving it. It is NOT simple at all. It is good there are many save guards are in place so that any party is not given the chance to misuse the funds. If it under a certain amount, then it can be dipped into without any regulators overseeing the funds. Depends on what is set up.
I'm Baaaaaaack! said...For shame on taking it elsewhere. Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
Red Sky At Night said... Absolutely. Well said. It reminds me of things that went on in elementary school. ------------- Both your posts say it very well. No one is getting "raked over the coals" except this blog and the people on it. Childish is the word. Enough of the silliness.
On a side note, regarding Kate's tweets. Not sure where some people are getting that "we" have said we don't read her tweets. Some do, some don't. I stopped for awhile because of all the nastiness and attacks. It got pretty boring. I do like to read her tweets because it exposes HER. And it can get entertaining. I have no problem with the tweets showing, personally, even though the fan replies CAN be just as entertaining. You have to admit they can get pretty funny as well as pathetic. I don't see anything wrong with "dissecting her tweets". It certainly is NOT the same as attacking her constantly on the feed. /end rant. LOL
On TLC...The Roloffs complained because of all the horrible attacks they were getting on their TLC blog. TLC told Matt that the "more noise there is, the better" or something to that effect. He then started his own blog so HE could control it, and respond to fans the way he wanted to. He was pretty upset with TLC over not protecting them more. They have 5 open stalker cases with the police, BTW. TLC loves these attacks on the public feeds, another example of exploitation of their own "stars".
Just watching the news. A couple found a Facebook page made by someone for their 5 year old daughter! Even had a picture of her was on the page. They have NO clue who made, the police are investigating. Geeez these people are not even in the public eye.
This reminds me of the FB and twitter accounts that were made under the Gosselin kids' names. All the youtube accounts with videos of the kids. That is SO creepy. Why expose your little kids to this? Yes, they are on a tv show, but these are LITTLE kids. The obsession some have for these kids is pretty frightening to me. Fan pages are on thing about the whole family. But the kids being singled out, is just creepy. One GUY tweeted to Kate he "wanted to babysit the kids". Ugh.
I am not trying to be nit picky-- but, wasn't the wording "15% of their (the children's) gross earnings"? Meaning 15% of what the children make is put aside. Not the gross earnings in any sense. I am pretty sure it was based on the NET of the children's allotted portion.
Who knows how much the children are making? I suspect it's nominal. 15% of that, divided by 8, can't be much at all. Since Kate can take money out for medical and education, and their school costs $15K per student, the money will be spent before they hit 18.
I am sitting here smirking at some of the comments. Took awhile to get back and catch up but here I am.
"Bluenoser", as IDModo said, is a nickname for Nova Scotians and it goes back a few. Residents of New Brunswick are known as "Herring Chokers", Manitobans "Flatlanders", well you get the picture.
What I find completely ironic is how Bluenoser was attacked for his/her comments re the hippies. The Hippie Chick fans literally attacked Bluenoser in as much as the Kate fans attack we 'haters' for our comments of Kate. Completely ironic and totally hypocritical.
On another note beautiful day here but the heat! With the humidex factored in it is supposed to feel like 47 degrees Oy! (That would be close to 120F.)
Anonymous I was speaking of the children benefiting from therapy. I agree it's been well documented that narcissists don't benefit from therapy and in fact won't participate.
Kate's handling of the whole Lafair situation was absolutely textbook. She was clearly having therapy, but was in complete denial the therapy was for her. She resisted the very idea SHE was having therapy as if she were asked to touch a hot stove. Oh no it was all for everyone else around her who was messed up, not perfect Kate.
Canadian Lurker, actually Bluenoser attacked HippieChick first. I was half asleep and didn't really realize that had happened so the comment got through. After that I felt it only fair people respond. I didn't see any attacks, people were respectful.
If you're going to call someone out, completely out of the blue like that, I'm going to let people respond.
If Jaycee Duggard can be successfully treated in therapy after 18 years of abuse anyone can.
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Jaycee Duggard may have had a childhood with a mother who loved her before she was taken. That's a great foundation for life.
The Gosselin children don't have either the mother or the great foundation. Their struggle will be rough, and they won't have a mature mother by their sides to help them through.
They do have a supportive Dad! That counts for something.
I have worked extensively with troubled families in family law, kids are amazingly resilient. By no means does this mean it's okay to put a kid through crap like this because they will be fine, but it's remarkable the way kids dust themselves up and keep going with a little therapy and support. We often lose that kind of perseverance as adults.
I'm not going to comment much anymore. It is crystal clear that our blog comments are taken quite seriously by TLC. Do YOU not see the connection, after all the negative comments about Kate taking those children overseas on expensive trips and we saying why don't they just see America, that they now are doing something educational and playing tourist here? We are CONTRIBUTING to the show's ideas and making it possible for Kate Gosselin to continue dragging those kids around everywhere. I'm done. I refuse to be a TLC pawn. And while I'm at it, I don't think her twitter comments should be followed and posted either.
TLC Stinks, I think you're giving us a heck of a lot of credit. I don't think they're traveling in the United States because we told them to (not exactly an original idea anyway, no?) but because it's CHEAPER, pure and simple. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to crunch the numbers and realize an RV trip will save TLC money as opposed to another Australian adventure.
Also, a Tweeple from South Dakota asked Kate to come there a few months ago, why wouldn't she be responsible for this idea anymore than us? We never said they should go there.
There are only a few things Kate is really passionate about...free things, fame, looking sexy, and easy money. If anyone can name one thing Kate excels at I would be surprised. ==== About the only thing she's been able to do very successfully is lower the standards for "celebrity" status.
Admin... You are so right. Kate, being such a *good* mom (OMG, I just threw up) could have brokered deals for so much. She could have started a clothing line...oh wait...or done a cook book...oh, wait! She also could have branched off & tried her hand at interviewing...oh, that's right! I guess she might have tried co-hosting on a daytime TV show or something? Oh, I completely forgot about that!! Maybe tried a spin-off on her own reality show maybe? Oh, man...she just can't catch a break! And here's why: She Kate can't do sh*t, as another poster's name so puts it. She has burned bridges, she is not nice, she is not likeable, & she will NEVER be as "famous" as she was in 2009. It's OVER for her. OVER. Kate had her chance & she blew it, with her big mouth, her diva behavior, & her rude, rude ways. ~Hippie Chick~
Hippie Chick, I so agree with you. I tried to post almost the same thing yesterday and it never showed up. Oh well.
Yes, if Kate were likable, she would have had so many more opportunities waiting for her. She may have even taken one that was Just Kate and not the kids, and have made more cash than even she could imagine. If she were any more intelligent than she is, she might have had a good stab at even more jobs on a relatively stable basis (no job is absolutely secure).
But because she is unlikable her stints are short term. Her smarts are limited to a few topics. She has totally put herself in the position of being nothing more than a running joke. Infomercials? C'mon. Unless it is a product the spokesperson has either invented or truly uses at home, the people on those videos are nothing more than straw graspers. Hey, remember me? I used to be famous. Now, not so much. But I'm on TV right now, you remember my glory days, and now you can still think I'm wonderful. I'm tan, thin, blonde and aren't you jealous? Yeah, I knew you would be. I'm making beaucoup bucks to make you feel that way, too. HA! I win! Now, driver, take me to my bank, right now. I said NOW!
What she is doing now to earn money smacks of desperation to hang on somehow. I know she needs to earn money, but why, oh why, does it have to be in the spotlight? She's in that spotlight because - and only because - of her sextuplets. Mady and Cara alone didn't do this for her. It was the 6-at-once-20-years-on bedrest HOM birth that got her any attention at all from the outside world she seems to abhor so very much.
Msybe as her next gig Kate can do an Arby's ad. A grouchy, rude person walks into Arby's, gets some of that Good Mood Food and walks out dancing like a star. I want my cut when they make that ad!
The Hippie Chick fans literally attacked Bluenoser in as much as the Kate fans attack we 'haters' for our comments of Kate. Completely ironic and totally hypocritical.
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Not at all. Not literally or otherwise. A long time poster here, Hippie was attacked for no reason other than calling herself Hippie Chick. There was no reason for it. There were no attacks on Bluenoser. There were no threats, no verbal abuse...posters just stated facts regarding the Hippies still being alive and well, therefore pointing out that Bluenoser was incorrect in her assertion that the term belonged to "her" generation. If the replies took on a defensive tone, I believe it was because some here were very surprised that a poster would, for no reason, make derogatory remarks about someone who did or said nothing to deserve such comments.
When someone, such as Bluenoser is disrepectful and goes into a rant against another person, it's only natural that there is going to be a response. Why let someone like that have the last word when she/he was clearly out of line?
I think that the only reason TLC took Kate on this trip is for: 1. cheap travel, 2. make her look like everyone else who are normal taking a trip(image change)3. fulfill contract, 4. to shut up her complaining that they are not taking her anywhere or she is not going anywhere. Kate has now complained about the trip, since this is not exactly where she wanted to go(she wanted to go over seas) or the way she wanted have gone(you know 5 star hotel etc). And I do agree with the person who said TLC reads this blog. TLC is desperately tryin to change her image, sorry charley your too late. And yes, Kate had way too many opportunities, and directions given her to go and she flushed everyone of them down the toilet(she thought she was too good for any of that). Because of her quest for fame and self importance. If she had been a smart person, she would have paid off the house ASAP, then put money away for kids school, invest her money for future, BUT NO Kate had to spend on herself. Kate is not the sharp or sharpest pencil in the box, in fact she is not even in the box.
Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries, but she took issue with the fact that Hippie Chick called herself Hippie even though she wasn't part of the 60s-70s Hippie generation. Yep. Totally ironic and hypocritical.
On another note, has Kate given her bestest tweeties any indication when she is returning? It would seem like TLC is milking this for all its worth and is going to get several episodes out of it. How many shows do they have in the can right now - what hasn't been aired? It sounds like they filmed something at home, like an organization show, but did Kate ever come out and say exactly what they were filming in her area or at home?
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin @ @evainstar Hi. I'm good.My kids are great-- having SO much fun on this crazy, like never before trip.. Which u will get 2 c Aug 8 TLC!
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The Aug 8 episode is going to be chuck full of stuff...Kate's "unbelievable" thing she did that made her arms sore, and this trip. Very odd.
Since Kate can take money out for medical and education, and their school costs $15K per student, the money will be spent before they hit 18. ________________________________________________ Kate is definitely stressing about this! I have often wondered if she has truly thought through the implications of this cost and her ability to afford it. If that quote is correct, then the tuition for 8 children in the LCDS lower school is $120,000 this year. Multiply that figure by the number of remaining years until high school graduation, and it is well in excess of $1,000,000. Of course, tuition costs will increase, and there are additional fees that tuition does not cover.
I think Kate would be wise to reconsider this. Although it would be a difficult decision, she could place the kids in a less expensive school , or even consider (gasp!) public school.
I say this because we have not even talked about college. That is what she should be saving for now. Costs for universities are multiplying every year, and she will not be prepared to pay for 8 college educations with what she is shelling out for their current school. I’ll bet this is keeping her up at night...
Kate has now complained about the trip, since this is not exactly where she wanted to go(she wanted to go over seas) or the way she wanted have gone(you know 5 star hotel etc)
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I don't think she's really complained, has she? She just tweeted:
"Hi. I'm good.My kids are great-- having SO much fun on this crazy, like never before trip."
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All of her tweets have a relatively positive tone, like she's actually enjoying it! Isn't every trip for her better and more fun than the one before? I thought Australia was the trip to end all trips and was so amazing and awesome.
"If she had been a smart person, she would have paid off the house ASAP, then put money away for kids school, invest her money for future"
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It's held in a trust, and we really don't know what the terms of that are. In addition, it's not necessarily a bad idea to have a mortgage - interest deductions - so the person who set this up would know her tax bracket, and all of the tax angles involved in owning this property and keeping a mortgage on it. They would have considered the factors of keeping a mortgage and weighed them against paying it off.
She doesn't need to put money away for the kids' school. According to the child labor laws, she can dip into THEIR money for educational purposes.
It appears this freebie vacay is testing her organizational skills. As in what - her ability to spend as little time as possible with her children? Must be tough, roughing it in some of the most beautiful parts of our great nation, dragging along the bidyguard, the bff and her children, the babysitter, toughing it out not eating in roadside diners, etc. Is she so clueless to not realize TLC, who is once again shamelessly footing the bill for her traveling circus, READS her whiny tweets. Classless piece of work, and once again, another long stretch for the kids away from their father. IMHO she sits at the top of a newly minted E celeb list.
Late to the party as usual, but I wanted to back up Hippie Chick & fidosmommy regarding Khate's wasted opportunities. Back in 2008/2009, she DID have opportunities to branch out, but she failed on all of them. It seems to be a matter of her not having the credentials, not being likeable, and acting like an a** on her show.
First, she had the chance to be an author. After her moderately successful "Multiple Blessings", written by Beth Carson, Khate was given a 3-book contract with Zondervan. Khate got what she wanted out of Beth and ditched her to pursue this on her own. Problem is, Khate cannot write, she has nothing to write about besides herself and her children's personal business, and her Christian facade had all but crumbled to the ground.
She also had that Procter & Gamble coupon gig and the Kmart layaway. But even back then, detractors had her "number" and threatened to boycott P&G products. I think there was too much backlash against P&G to keep that gig going. A wealthy woman promoting coupon-cutting and Kmart layaway didn't make sense, and consumers knew it. Khate would never shop at Kmart if she had a choice, let alone need their holiday layaway program.
Last one I'll mention is the failed Health-Tex clothing line. This one was pretty much DOA, I remember reading the clothing went directly to the bargain bins if they even made it to retail. Her image between the time the deal was made, to the time it took for the clothes to be shipped, had been tarnished too much to make the venture profitable.
That's three great job opportunities for Khate to be the "Mom of all Moms", but she ruined it all by living large in real life and playing poor on TV. Most people aren't that dumb to not see the hypocrisy in that. The messy divorce didn't help matters, either. Had she showed some appreciation for her good fortune and genuinely cared for others, she could have gone far with a charity for a multiples support organization, but that is not the kind of person she is. For her it's all about me and my kids, making sure I, then my children, get what we want and deserve.
It sounds like they filmed something at home, like an organization show, but did Kate ever come out and say exactly what they were filming in her area or at home? ====
Maybe TLC is giving poor Katie another house reno for one more boring "let's surprise Kate" episode. I'm think she mentioned that getting her 'very own personal home office someday' is on her bucket list. How much more can they do with that show. It's all "been there, done that" now. What's left?
Oh wow, I glanced at that tweet above and burst out laughing. Apparently someone told her they are getting married and she responds with 'happy wedding.....ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEE.....good luck!' Haha, she's a head scratcher for sure.
AuntieAnn said... Maybe TLC is giving poor Katie another house reno for one more boring "let's surprise Kate" episode. I'm think she mentioned that getting her 'very own personal home office someday' is on her bucket list ****************************
Auntie Ann, I agree. I said a few threads back, that I thought all this complaining of her arms hurting and how she has done something she probably won't do again, means she is doing something with the house. They were at home and filming. I thought she may have painted/redecorated the kids rooms, but building an office is a possibility also. She has to get in these freebies while they are still there for the taking.
My other thought is that she went to the new Zip Line park in the Poconos. It has lines for under 10 year olds and older. That would certainly scare the ____ out of her. She was commenting about something you wouldn't believe she would do and will never do again. She also tweeted some obscure tweet about a canopy, which is how zip lines are referred to sometimes. If that is what they did, at least the kids would have had fun, but we know it is never about the kids, it is about Kate and her "aching" arms.
Apparently someone told her they are getting married and she responds with 'happy wedding...
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Hysterical, isn't it? She can't even separate "Happy wedding" from the "wait til u c...". It's joined with an ampersand (yes, Kate, that's what that squigglyish thing - & - is called!).
Why not wish someone a happy wedding, say good luck and end it there, and THEN, do a separate tweet if you want to talk about MEEEEEE MEEEEE?
I don't know that I've ever seen a more self-centered person. Until she started this tweeting ritual, I didn't know just how big an ego she has.
****** And the point of that article was???? Sorry, but doesn't the HP have better things to report on or was it just a slow news day? And she really didn't say much of anything - oh, if you're thinking about fertility treatments, be careful. Know the risks. The thing is, I would imagine, if your at the point your considering fertility treatments, most people have already considered the risks.
If you really want to control the number of children you have (Kate: "I just wanted ONE more, not eight!), do IVF not IUI. Unfortunately, insurance companies will cover IUI because it's cheaper than IVF or they will require you do so many cycles of IUI before they'll pay for IVF, so I understand the quandry people must have. We had relatives who went through several rounds of IVF and it was extremely expensive. In the end they adopted, which, by the way, is another great way to control the number of children you have (and again, I realize that it too is expensive and there are hurdles involved).
What's the Naughty But Nice Rob doing...taking one interview and writing a weekly column about Kate Gosselin? -------
Hired by TLC to get viewers? They got her more with the foot licking. They know the only way to get any is to go after the shock/slow-down-to-see-the-car-crash viewers.
My other thought is that she went to the new Zip Line park in the Poconos. ==== Please say it ain't so. That banshee screech of hers is too much already and we know that's what she'll do if she gets on a zip line. Poor little forest creatures will be so frightened.
Kate's giving advise on fertility treatments??? Ya Right... more like she's protecting her status as a mom of multiples and isn't appreciating the amount of competition out there...
Warmth of the Sun, I looked at that tweet again and laughed again, but I also looked at the tweet that she responded to, and to be fair it was along the lines of 'wish I had your organizational skills (gag) 4 days before my wedding.' But.....Kate could have skipped right past that and just wished her well. Of course, she didn't and used it as another opportunity to plug herself and her show. Sigh..... I have seen her respond to other wedding or anniversary announcements with much sarcasm, along the lines of 'good luck with that' and I didn't like that either, but this one was especially weirdish!
These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
HBICofDivas @JensOpinion @10dicks No, I'm not dumb. U R! # dumbass #liar
These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
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I don't know, Jane. It seems like the tweens and teens often show much more maturity than the supposed "grownups" who do not behave like adults. You just have to wonder if Twitter is their chance to "act out" - vent to release pent-up frustration, or if they really do treat people in "real life" exactly as they do on Twitter. I don't read there on a regular basis, but I'm disgusted at the "haters" who let loose with snotty comments at a "new" twitterer who is a fan, totally berating them for a comment, or if they just sign on to ask Kate a question.
That HuffPost article? Um, when did hell freeze over that Kate is giving advice about multiple births & parenting & HOMs & all children are God's children (duh) & such? This is just wrong. She needs to shut up. Does she not want people stepping in on her territory? Why can't she STFU? Big UGH over here! ~Hippie Chick~
That is just SO INTERESTING. that twitter works REAL WELL when you are promoting your show, in between she just couldn't be bothered. Used for ratings, that is all they are and they don't even realize it. Some will grow up and will look back on it like a bad hairstyle, the other ones, I just feel sorry for.
Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
Oh there are so many things they could have done well and better BUT they got sucked so hard into the fame game and believe me, it cost her big time . . . . and will continue to cost her for some time to come . .. if I see her on tv I just think fake tan, fake body, fake image, fake, fake, fake ---those children will grow up and realize what happened to them . . . they know what I'm talking about as it was seen with out own 2 eyes. Nothing you can do when the pain and scars are not visible marks of physical abuse but oh . . . what they verbally had to hear . . . . 2 of the 6 acted out for a reason . . . .seeds, planted by their mother. I heard she made some comment that people who meet her and feel negative change their view of her 100% of the time. It is running joke and before I hear the tiring jealous argument -- we have anonymous lives she can only dream of.
westbrooke said... Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
Oh there are so many things they could have done well and better BUT they got sucked so hard into the fame game and believe me, it cost her big time . . . . and will continue to cost her for some time to come . .. if I see her on tv I just think fake tan, fake body, fake image, fake, fake, fake ---those children will grow up and realize what happened to them . . . they know what I'm talking about as it was seen with our own 2 eyes. Nothing you can do when the pain and scars are not visible marks of physical abuse but oh . . . what they verbally had to endure . . . . 2 of the 6 acted out for a reason . . . .seeds, planted by their mother. I heard she made some comment that people who meet her and feel negative change their view of her 100% of the time. That is a joke and before I hear the tiring jealous argument -- we have anonymous lives she can only dream of.
On a recent episode of the show "Leverage", where the "job" was to get the bad guy by sucking him with fame and fortune, one of the "good" characters said another "We all know that Fame is a monster and you want to poke it with a stick?!"
"How many shows do they have in the can right now - what hasn't been aired?"
1. A Question and Answer show. Tweeters submitted questions. 2. Kate and the twins' trip to Maryland. The six did stuff at home. 3. Whatever home filming they did. Something about Kate's arm hurting? 4. The trip out west.
I remember more about this wretched mess than I should.
I'm not sure when the show comes back on. Did Kate say on Twitter? LOL Not like I'll watch it
Tamara made a comment that made me think of something that I hadn't before regarding the kids when they are adults.
Most of us, whether we have great childhoods or bad ones have stuff happen to us and eventually the memory fades. If it's particularly bad we may remember if more vividly, but still it fades and we are able to hopefully move on from it.
These kids have had so much of their lives and (IMO) abuses documented that they will never have the ability for it to fade. They will literally be able to watch Kate abusing them over and over again for their entire lives (gumgate, cupcakegate, aiden(?) on the laundry room floor are the big 3 that come right to my mind).
On the upside, I guess all they have to do is take the DVDs in with them to the therapists office for documentation that they really did go through all the crazy stuff they say happened to them :(
Hi. I'm good.My kids are great-- having SO much fun on this crazy, like never before trip.. Which u will get 2 c Aug 8 TLC!
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It sounds like the West trip is going to be shown on August 8. Does this mean they'll skip the Q&A and the Maryland shows...or doesn't Kate know what show is going to be aired on August 8?
Not that Kate can be trusted to know what is going on with her own show, but an episode airing August 8 when they are still on the trip and still filming is a VERY quick turnaround for the editors. We're talking just a few weeks to get the footage back to N.C., edit it, score it, caption it when the kids are mumbling, come up with questions to ask Kate and the kids, interview Kate and the kids on the coach, probably interview Jamie, get everything approved by all the higher ups, and have it ready to go in a few weeks. It can be done, but most Kate Plus 8 shows, if not all, are filmed and aired months apart from each other. This August date was set awhile ago, seems to me there is other footage in the can they would probably show first. If it is, sounds like the second the kids get home they will be made to sit on the coach and answer questions about the episode. Nice.
I wonder if this is another case of Kate not really up to speed.
"We're talking just a few weeks to get the footage back to N.C., edit it, score it, caption it..."
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I know, Admin, I thought about that, too - very fast turnaround. I read her tweet twice to make sure I wasn't misreading something, but nope, that's what she said. It's not subject to interpretation (at least I don't THINK it is...it's so darn hot right now I'm really not sure about anything!)
I dont' think we're misinterpreting the tweet as I often do when trying to decipher whatever the heck she is trying to say. But it's entirely possibly she has misinterpreted what TLC has told her.
Shows just how green she is STILL to this whole TV world....she could at least say I know it's a quick turnaround but you're gonna see it in just 2 weeks! She acts like it's perfectly normal to have an episode ready to go in 2 weeks.
@ Just me said....On the upside, I guess all they have to do is take the DVDs in with them to the therapists office for documentation that they really did go through all the crazy stuff they say happened to them :( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And to a lawyer to get Khate to pay the therapist.
On a recent episode of the show "Leverage", where the "job" was to get the bad guy by sucking him in with fame and fortune, a "good" character said to another "We all know that Fame is a monster and you want to poke it with a stick?!"
Well, I'm sure you all got the idea. Going to look for that Strunk and White's now...THIS is why I stay clear of twitter...
Hippie Chick. OMG let me apologize. What I wrote was a disconnect from what I was trying to articulate. Sometimes I have trouble putting into words what I am trying to say - sorry and the post I wrote was wrong. Again, sorry. I was simply trying to say what the hippies then vs the 'hippies' now.
Make Love, Not War said."
Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries,
I am from Nova Scotia. The word Bluenoser is from, I would guess, the 1700s. Not sure why but that is what we are called by the rest of Canada. I have never heard of your air squadron or why they are called Bluenosers.
Again, HC, sorry if I offended you. Sometimes I get passionate about (stupid) subjects and shoot from the hip rather than the brain.
My knowledge on how Kate got pregnant with the tups is kind of sketchy, although I read that she claimed to have PCOS, took an ovarian stimulant and then conceived against the advice of the physician.
A tweeter twitted:
Kayte didn't have fertility treatments. She was given the drug Clomid. LOL
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As far as I know, Clomiphrene is a fertility drug, so why would this person say that Kate didn't have fertility treatments? If it's not a fertility drug, then what is it?
Jane said... These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
HBICofDivas @JensOpinion @10dicks No, I'm not dumb. U R! # dumbass #liar -------------------------------------
More important question: are these twats old enough to be buying the products advertised on the commercials?
If we assume these seemingly uneducated, no class idiots are just what they seem, how would they have jobs that give them the income to buy advertised products????
Sure hope companies aren't relying on her 'twitter followers' to be a demographic with money.......
A basic business concept - oh wait, kart doesn't have any business sense..........
If we assume these seemingly uneducated, no class idiots are just what they seem, how would they have jobs that give them the income to buy advertised products????
BORING! My family is about to take a vacation together, and that will be much more interesting than watching film of a bunch of somebody else's kids on vacation. I am so looking forward to relaxing on a beach with a pile of books. I just recently discovered TIM DORSEY! timdorsey.com and his novels set in Florida starring SERGE! He's just like Dexter except unemployed and happily unmedicated for his mental health issues and hilarious and much more enthusiastic about murder of the deserving! Plus you get loads of Florida history and tour guides! The Fugitive Tour! The Medication, Schmedication Tour! I feel like I have just discovered a new best friend in Serge and his perpetually stoned sidekick Coleman. Don't watch TV, it is summer, lay outside and read a good book! I highly recommend Atomic Lobster or Nuclear Jellyfish or Gator A-Go-Go or Electric Barracuda. (I am going to go back and start at the beginning of the Serge novels, but these I have read and laughed thru.) Electric Barracuda has me planning my next Florida road trip - Shark Valley! Tamiami Trail! Al Capone! Marjory Stoneman Douglas! (Serge made his own action figure of her with red eyes so she can shoot laser beams at would-be Everglades developers!) Let's go! Ms. Kreider's Florida trip with air boat rides and shrieking about alligators was exceptionally boring. These novels illuminate Florida in a whole new way! Plus Serge has tips on how to avoid being murdered on your vacation, always helpful to know! Does Ms. kreider include any useful information like THAT? I think NOT!
If I wanted to know what it is like at a place I would like to go for a vacation I would be on the internet looking for articles, blogs, etc., library for books and videos, and possibly TV- travel channel type shows. I surely would NOT want to watch chopped up scripted pieces interspersed with her babbling or the kids rolling around on the couch.
They do have a supportive Dad! That counts for something.
I have worked extensively with troubled families in family law, kids are amazingly resilient. By no means does this mean it's okay to put a kid through crap like this because they will be fine, but it's remarkable the way kids dust themselves up and keep going with a little therapy and support. We often lose that kind of perseverance as adults.
I could not agree more. Having at least 1 'stable' parent in the life a child can do wonders of their ability to rehabilitate from the mental (and physical) abuse of another parent. My husband's mother is a narcissist and could be Kate's twin, but my husband's father was a somewhat stabilizing force in his life and that helped him see the difference between what was 'normal' and what was not. I think otherwise, he would have believed that his mother's behavior was perfectly normal and that all people behaved this way.
I feel for those kids. They will likely need a lot of therapy to untangle the mess that was their childhood and try and understand why their mother is the way she is. It's a tragedy having a parent (or friend, other family member) who has NPD. It's maddening. I always, always advise anyone who has dealings with a narcissist to distance yourself as much as possible from them. They bring zero value to your life and will only cause chaos and pain in your life. This would include parents, children, friends....anyone who is a narcissist or you suspect is one, get a good amount of distance between you and them. It's sad that it has to be that way, but it really is in your best interest. I know a lot of people will say "she's your mother (or daughter, son, father) - how can you just shut them out?" - because they are abusive and destructive and you are protecting yourself from them. Just because you are related to them means nothing when you are shielding yourself from their madness.
Bluenoser (eyes cast down) said... Hippie Chick. OMG let me apologize. What I wrote was a disconnect from what I was trying to articulate. Sometimes I have trouble putting into words what I am trying to say - sorry and the post I wrote was wrong. Again, sorry. I was simply trying to say what the hippies then vs the 'hippies' now.
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You are to be commended for your gracious post. Beautifully worded in my humble opinion. Katie Irene and her sheeple could learn a thing or two right here about graciousness in just a few sentences.
Ingrid... can you imagine planning vacations around Kate's vacation shows? LOL One fan did say she uses the shows to plan family vacations. What?? LOL ------- Bluenoser that was a very nice post to Hippie Chick.
Warmth Of The Sun said... Re: The article by Naughty Rob -
My knowledge on how Kate got pregnant with the tups is kind of sketchy, although I read that she claimed to have PCOS, took an ovarian stimulant and then conceived against the advice of the physician.
A tweeter twitted:
Kayte didn't have fertility treatments. She was given the drug Clomid. LOL
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As far as I know, Clomiphrene is a fertility drug, so why would this person say that Kate didn't have fertility treatments? If it's not a fertility drug, then what is it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Kate's account of events combined with info from family members, it seems Kate went for another round of fertility treatments after getting Jon to cave in (he was happy with two) Kate wanted to know what it would be like to have "just one" baby at a time. Hmmmmmmm..... but according to Kate she had this chance in the form of a Korean newborn boy who became available for adoption. She took a pass.
She took the Clomid and during one cycle her ovaries were overstimulated, releasing many eggs. She was hospitalized but for what reason I don't recall. Supposedly this is standard procedure to prevent the couple from "doing the deed" and fertilizing the numerous eggs. It looks like the deed was done hence the 7 ~seperate~ fertilized eggs, one that was re-absorbed. Of course we will never know what happened for sure but this seems to be the most plausible explanation. I don't think any competent OB/GYN would inseminate (IUI) a woman with overstimulated ovaries, and it sounds like her Dr. did write that cycle off. Many have suggested that Kate was allowed to leave the hospital with the guarantee she wouldn't have sex and the Dr. agreed with it, assured by her position as a medical professional that she was well aware of the consequences and risks. Again, only Kate and Jon truly know what happened. But all signs point to Kate manipulating her physician to get the HOM pregnancy and children she knew she would use to grift for fame and fortune. And she has the nerve to show up on HuffPost and warn people to be veerrry, veerrry, careful when going for fertility treatments... beware!!.... be veerrry sure about what you're getting into. Bitch please! All signs point to her doctor taking a responsible approach to her treatment and taking steps to avoid a HOM pregnancy, it's not his fault if she did the opposite of what she was told.
I realize fans would think this is the children's chance to see new places and have fun. What they do not realize is the children are playing for the cameras at this point (they are an exhibit - they have lived their lives like this and know nothing else)I am not sure others realize the time involved -- all day with a camera at them and a microphone hanging over them. It is hours and hours and hours to get massive amounts of footage and only a small portion is used. The 6 have had to put up with this since they were born, they do not know how to be . . . . kids. Jon, an adult, got sick of this. Kate, an adult freaks out when she thinks people are looking at her but this says to her fans this has no effects on the children . . they are just having fun. I hope the children will know one day that there were people who thought this was wrong.
Thanks, wayward, for the explanation in detail. So, Clomid IS used as a fertility drug and she did have fertility treatments, which makes me wonder why the tweeter said that "she didn't have fertility treatments. She was given the drug Clomid." This wasn't from a sheeple, but from a "hater."
westbrooke, your post and many others about Kate's defense that the kids are having fun brought back a memory for me. I was about 6-7 and my dad took me with him to New Jersey from NM (apparently to garner sympathy and squeeze more $$$ out of his rich uncle, which is what happened). All I remember is having to pick which seat to sit in, which was hard, because the center seat had a smiley face on the head protector but I wanted to look out the window. (It was the 70s and my dad told me that TWA meant teeny weeny airlines, LOL!) My aunt was appalled that I had no robe so we got a little terry cloth coverup in Cape May for me to wear. She was mad that my hair was always tangled and was pretty rough combing it out. Then I had the seat decision to make on the way home! That is all I remember! My aunt was a kindergarten teacher and we did some crafts and she sent me home with some books, but I only know that because my mom still has the crafts and I read those books until they fell apart. These kids are too young and will not remember any of this stuff. Heck, my brother had a bone disease and had his hip broken and reset at 5 and mercifully, he doesn't remember any of that either! Well, at least the kids can watch their episodes...........sad.
In reference to the article in the Huffington Post by Naughty Rob-
So in essence, what is Kate saying?
I agree, every life is precious- but didn't she knowingly cause her overly populated, and very dangerous pregnancy? Is she claiming that she had no idea that having sex with hyper stimulated ovaries would cause multiples? Is she saying that her doctors did not warn her beforehand? Is she claiming innocence?
What is she saying- that she is THAT STUPID?
Of course she knew exactly what she was doing. You don't take a specific drug, and not know the possible dangers. I'm sure her doctor, and nurses in the hospital explained the do's and don'ts. Kate simply did what she wanted.
I find her insincere warning a slap in the face to the doctors & nurses that did not turn their backs on her unethically dangerous decision. And of all people, she should be the last one dispensing advice on anything having to do with infertility.
If she was offering advice on how to fool people, or how to be a spinning b*tch on wheels.... well, that would be a different story.
Keep opening that stupid mouth, Kate. Your past is going to take you to task, and hold you publically responsible.
My God. She's really is incapable of speaking earnestly.
You are assuming the twitter/sheeple/hater "knows" what they are talking about!
It's my experience that many, many folks on the internet don't a clue what they are talking about!!!!!!
So many of us want to believe that people are good, smart, moral and honorable, but on the internet where everything is cloaked in anonymity, a lot of what is said is wrong, mean, libelous, innocently incorrect and on-purpose deceiving.
For those of us in the medical profession or those who have had difficulty getting pregnant, the word Clomid brings immediately to mind 'first step' fertility treatment.
It could be, giving that person the benefit of the doubt, that they consider ONLY treatments like IUI, IVF, etc a 'fertility treatment' and don't know there are medications tried before and with those procedures.
PJ's momma said, These kids are too young and will not remember any of this stuff.
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I guess we are a family with really good memories! We took our son, then seven on a trip south, making historic stops along the way, and he's now in his late teens. I recently asked him what he remembered from the trip. I was astounded when he recounted the places in detail, all the way down to the striped comforters on the beds in one of the hotels and a crack in one of the steps of the monument. He remembered waitresses names, and much of the history of the places - in fact, so much that he's really shown an interest in American history (right now he's watching videos of the Kennedy era).
When I was in Kindergarten and a few years thereafter, we took road trips, and I can remember places we saw, things we learned, souvenirs we bought, and how the rough blades of grass felt beneath my feet. I remember describing things to my mother, and her saying, "How in the world did you remember that?"
By the way, I broke my arm when I had just turned six, and I remember every vivid detail, right down to the smell of the soap in the doctor's office, to the kind of chair he was sitting in when he "set" my arm (and how good it felt when the bones were back in place)! I even remember what was written on the coffee mug in his office. Guess I'm just a little bit weird!
I suppose it all depends on how "into" it we are. The mind is a strange things - selective with some memories; vivid with others. The Gosselins aren't going to remember the ski trip, maybe not much of Disney or Hawaii, but certainly at age six and seven, they will remember BHI and the trip out West. This, of course, means that they will also remember that they were not playing for the cameras, but will remember being followed around by the crew and forced to do re-shoots. Not a good thing to store in one's memory banks.
Julianna - I think you are younger than me and my siblings! The memories fade as you get older. I remember specifics of a lot of things, but not too many of each of them. Especially when there was/is so much going on! These kids are shuttled from one over-stimulating activity to another. They hardly get any down time. They have done more than most kids do their entire childhoods. Mostly, I feel sorry for them for the fact that 'real' life is going to be a 'real' letdown......when the trips stop, the first-class and free everything stops, etc.
Too bad K and gang weren't at the NC beach STAYING FOR FREE this week or last. 100 degrees plus or minus and heat index 102 plus, plus, plus. Can't ya just see and hear her fussing about how hot and sticky the weather is and demanding someone fix it so she isn't inconvenienced, AND demanding a refund?
Question: does any other tweeter state the number of followers like she does?
I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students. I remember how I loved the new supplies, the book satchel, and the new clothes. I remember the little slips (yes we wore slips back then) and some of my favorite dresses. My favorites were the one my mother made, baby dolls, with rick rack trim. I remember my fear of the big slide that I fell off of, looking up to a sea of faces staring down at me when I hit the ground. I loved it when the teacher wrote on the chalkboard, especially with new chalk. Yellow was my favorite. It was harder than the white. I remember a chosen few would get to go out periodically and clean the erasers. I loved first grade. My teacher was old and had white hair, wire rim glasses, and a soft voice with just a bit of tremulous but we all loved her and she taught us well. Yes, by age 6, memory is intact.
wayward said..."From Kate's account of events..." ==== Thanks for that post Wayward, that's the story as I understand it too... but I think that should read "From Kate's rolodex of lies..." :o)
I think one of the worst things Kate has done in reference to the fertility treatments, which she obviously used to get exactly what she wanted (six kids at once) is to tell millions that she cried when she found out she was preggers with 6. That she was angry and it was the worst thing that could have happened. Imagine how her kids must feel hearing that? Not to even go into the fact that it's a bold faced LIE. The six hear they weren't wanted, yet then they will eventually find out that that was exactly what their mother's plan was. Very confusing. And Mady and Cara have to be reminded day after day that they weren't enough, because they were "only" twins. At least they were girls. Can you imagine what Kate would be like if the twins had been boys?
Wayward - not in defense of Kate but just to share info, my understanding was that Jon agreed to try four cycles of IUI. The first two didn't take. On the third they went in, were told there were (I believe - I'd have to double check) 3-4 follicles which is what you want for an IUI round. She was inseminated and shortly afterwards was hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries. From my reading, the overstimulation can happen at any point in the cycle.
So it is possible that the initial ultrasound showed four follicles, she was inseminated (and probably doing the deed at home because, again based on my understanding, that actually is encouraged to increase your odds of conceiving) and during that time she produced three more follicles. Then she was hospitalized but by then it was a moot point. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that all that happened within the first month of conception.
The real question for me at least was why she was allowed to start IUI so quickly. I know she said she just had a feeling she wouldn't be able to conceive and was diagnosed with PCOS shortly after her marriage. Is it common to move right to IUI after such a diagnosis or do they still ask you to try for a year before moving on to assisted reproductive techniques.
Yes, it is, but WHAT is retained depends on a great many things, and also the circumstances. Memory works best when people - children OR adults - are not under stress. Stress makes it difficult to retain experiences, and, under most circumstances, it's the negative memories that print most vividly.
The Gosselin children might retain a great deal of their travels if they were operating from a strong foundation, experiencing these new things with a supportive, loving parent.
Each trip would have more meaning if it the relationships - between parent and child, between children, with others they interact with - were positive and valued. That is clearly not the case here.
Also, laying a foundation and preparing a context for travel makes a huge difference in what a young child remembers, too. That isn't happening here, either.
Intentionally refusing to tell children where they will be traveling, refusing to provide a cultural or geographic context, demeaning the people they meet (calling someone "Mr. Tour Guide", for example, instead of respecting that person and his role), and ensuring that the children can NEVER forget that their first obligation is to perform properly for the cameras will effect these children's experiences and their memories of them, and not for the better.
The job of the Gosselin children is NOT to travel and be enriched by their experiences. Their JOB is to continue to provide their mother with the lifestyle she prefers. Everything they do, and they retain, from these trips will always be colored by that awareness.
Thinking as people talk about the old J&K - remembering when they began to require "first class" airfare for speaking engagements.
These are just a few personal, uh, observations on "first class" commercial airline travel (which I have taken the upgrade on occasion at the $40 upcharge, never would waste points, let alone pay full price or let a client do so either, just a waste):
1.In airliners where all passengers enter by the cockpit, first class passenger in the aisle seat get smacked up the side of the head by shoulder bag/laptop case/purses/shopping bags slung over the shoulder of the person dragging his/her "carry-on" down that too narrow aisle just like passenger in economy/coach aise seat.
2. Different menu or "snacks", still crappy.
3. First class doesn't arrive at the destination any faster than any other class.
4. If the plane goes down first class goes down along with economy/coach - in a nose dive first class hits, well, first. (OK, that was morbid.)
I'm NO fan of commercial airline travel, at all, any class. Had way too many horrible experiences with the airlines. ;)
However, I'm all for the private jet - never been on one of those, but that's got to be the way to travel.
I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students.
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Funny you should mention that. I recently found a class photo (31 kids) from First Grade. I had not thought about any of those kids for quite some time. I was able to identify each of them by name, recalling what they ate for lunch, their favorite playground game, etc. I even remember that the right buckle of my bookbag never seemed to stay closed. I can even look at photos of me at age 4 and remember the fabric of the dresses, the smell of the new leather shoes, and how my socks kept slipping down into the back of them. I can remember milk machines (five cents) and the "taste" of the wax on those little cartons. And, I remember all of the trips we took. Of course, when I woke up this morning, it took me awhile to remember that I had a car appointment for this afternoon! Why is that?
Oh, and I am no spring chicken. I'm a grandmom who spent her college years as an original hippie!
I'm afraid the Gosselin kids might remember their mother's meltdown on the trip to Utah, her screaming "she's ruined" at Disney, and shoving ice cream into one of the boys' faces in NYC.
I remember the line from "An Affair To Remember: - "Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories." I hope that in the future, the Gosselin kids at least have enough pleasant memories to warm their hearts.
Why do people even speak about how their children were conceived? Isn't that such personal information that we just don't need to know? Those poor kids will be teased and embarrassed their entire lives. The money will probably dry up, and their only consolation will be old DVD's of their one time successful TLC program. Kate should have pulled the plug years ago. This will not end well. High class just doesn't exist in the Gosselin world, does it? As Grandma used to say, "You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." Got that, Kate and TLC?
silimom said: ...."silimom said... Wayward - not in defense of Kate but just to share info, my understanding was that Jon agreed to try four cycles of IUI. The first two didn't take. On the third they went in, were told there were (I believe - I'd have to double check) 3-4 follicles which is what you want for an IUI round. She was inseminated and shortly afterwards was hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries. From my reading, the overstimulation can happen at any point in the cycle." __________________________________________
You are right, at the end of the day it all comes down to this- why was she getting fertility treatments so soon anyway!? The only plausible explanation I've ever heard of was that her connections as a nurse may have given her some pull and the ability to move things along much faster. Although just about everything Kate does irritates the crap out of me, this has always been a real sore spot because I know someone who truly has PCOS and struggled for 5 years to have a baby. She had several miscarriages and went through hell until she finally gave birth to her healthy baby. Kate's story of how those tups came to be just doesn't pass the smell test.
Unfortunately for the Tups, one Zoo, beach, hill/mountain, grass, building etc, will look to them as the same. Doing a simple thing like going to the local carnival, festival, local water parks, the park, riding my bike or even going to the librarys/Jr College kids programs, would be more memorable, than some big elaborate trip(Kate is fulfilling her travel wishes, not caring if the kids like or remember the trip, as for memory, she will make them watch K8). When I was between 4-7, my brother(who was 8 years older) would take me downtown, we got on the bus, then took the subway into downtown Chicago. I also remembered going over to other peoples houses and playing with their kids and having a wonderful time. When I started to go on big trips is when I was around 12, those trips I do remember well, and loved the history, scenery, buying the tourist stuff. That is one thing I see Kate not really letting the kids choose what nic-nacks tourist stuff to buy, she chooses. That takes the fun out of trips. Granted there is a limit to how much tourist stuff to get, but the point being you got to pick it out not mom or dad. I'm sure the kids will remember most of Yellowstone, if mom does not have a meltdown. If mom meltsdown or complains too much, the kids will write this trip off as bad and not remember much, as someone here said. If a trip is enjoyable, everyone remembers it very well. One of my many California trips(to see James Marsters)was a trip from HELL. My plane was late/delayed, got nailed at security, I got in a car accident, could not get another rental for a couple of hours, got sick on a drink, almost missed my plane coming home, cause of railroad crossing and till this day I can not remember what the rest of the trip was about. I only remember the bad stuff that happened. Kate kids will be the same way. They will ask Kate if they had a good time, then Kate will pull out the episode and show them. If you can't remember it, you must of had a bad time or were too young.
So sick said..."Doing a simple thing like going to the local carnival, festival, local water parks, the park, riding my bike or even going to the librarys/Jr College kids programs, would be more memorable, than some big elaborate trip..."
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Are you sure about that? I would think that if each trip got bigger and better, and hyped by her mom and TLC, that an ordinary trip to a carnival would be a big yawner for them. They've gotten used to the VIP treatment - having lunchrooms reserved just for them, getting to the head of the line at amusement parks, running the bases at a ballgame, having backstage access at theatrical productions. It's called entitlement. I can't see them standing in line waiting patiently to go on a ride at an amusement park, like common folk. They've never done that...wouldn't they wonder why they have to do it now? Go to the Hershey Zoo after they've seen Mr. Kiwi Man and spent time with the Irwins and the crocs? Quite a comedown, I would think.
"My plane was late/delayed, got nailed at security, I got in a car accident, could not get another rental for a couple of hours, got sick on a drink, almost missed my plane coming home, cause of railroad crossing and till this day I can not remember what the rest of the trip was about"
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Ouch! But was your plane ever struck by lightning, landing gear wouldn't go down and the plane had to land on a foamed runway and you had to exit by sliding down a chute? Trust me - that's something you would remember!
Grammy of nine said... Why do people even speak about how their children were conceived? Isn't that such personal information that we just don't need to know? ********************************
I agree. As the mother of triplets, it is amazing how many times I have been asked how I came about having them. What procedures I used and other personal information that I can't believe a perfect stranger is asking me. It's no ones business, but the two involved.
Of course this excludes Jon and Kate who made a living off of having mutiples. They threw their privacy of such matters out the window when deciding to exploit thier multiples for their entire life on TV.
If Kate had such a severe case of PCOS and was so unable to become pregnant without fertility treatments, why did Jon get a vasectomy? Or at least I swear I remember reading he did.
I've never been able to understand how Kate managed to get fertility treatments so quickly, either. A good friend of mine has PCOS, diagnosed when she was 13 (one of the cysts ruptured and she needed emergency surgery). Before she got married, she and her then fiance met with her OB/GYN to discuss fertility issues, etc. because they both wanted kids. She was told to try for 6 months (she was 34 at the time) and, if unsuccessful, to come back and discuss their options. Fortunately, she didn't need to, as she got pregnant in about 5 months and had 2 more children later, all without requiring medical intervention. Kate was only 22, so there was no rush for her to get pregnant, except in her own mind, and I suspect that a good bit of that was because she wanted to make sure Jon was tied down.
Kate was only 22, so there was no rush for her to get pregnant, except in her own mind, and I suspect that a good bit of that was because she wanted to make sure Jon was tied down. ********************** Not to be nit-picky, but she must have been 24-25 when she got pregnant with the twins.
Warmth Of The Sun said... Re: The article by Naughty Rob -
My knowledge on how Kate got pregnant with the tups is kind of sketchy, although I read that she claimed to have PCOS, took an ovarian stimulant and then conceived against the advice of the physician.
Well what totally surprises me is Kate hasn't come up with the immaculate conception version yet.
Thanks, HC. Much appreciated!
When I go 'on vacation' it is either to Newfoundland to fish and, oh what a wonderful Province) ir to our cabin in the woods. Surrounded by a hundred acres of 100 year old trees. Heaven on earth.
OT google Gros Morne National Park to get an idea of the majectic beauty. Kate Gosselin you should NOT visit BTW
@ nit picker - You're right. Kate was 22 when she met Jon (I knew 22 figured in there somewhere), and they got married about 2 years later. She just turned 36 and the twins will be 11 in October, so she was 25 when they were born. Put it down to my sorely lacking math skills and a melted brain from the heat LOL. Thanks for setting the record straight.
If a trip is enjoyable, everyone remembers it very well. One of my many California trips(to see James Marsters)was a trip from HELL. My plane was late/delayed, got nailed at security, I got in a car accident, could not get another rental for a couple of hours, got sick on a drink, almost missed my plane coming home, cause of railroad crossing and till this day I can not remember what the rest of the trip was about. I only remember the bad stuff that happened.
*************************************** I'm confused. You completely contradicted yourself. You said if a trip is enjoyable, everyone remembers...then said you only remember the bad stuff on your own trip.
To me it's not so much will a kid remember a trip (it depends, I remember some things from when I was 3 vividly, others I have no recollection of), but rather how much can they really appreciate it at such a young age? This traveling most certainly has the feel of "just cart the kids into whatever stressful place/situation we can dream up and film it" rather than anyone being seriously interested in giving the kids a great travel experience. A trip to Australia might have been infinitely more meaningful had the kids been a little older.
We have friends in England and my parents could have sent me out there whenever, they chose to wait until I was 16. Even at the time I remember thinking I'm so glad I'm "older" (when you're 16 you feel ancient!) and can appreciate this--the history, the food, the people, I took it all in. I was about to take AP European History and it made that next year in school so great since I had seen so many of the places I was studying. Had I gone when I was 6 I doubt it would have been the same trip.
Taking the spotlight away from Khate for a sec please... You all may know this already, but George & Cindy Anthony are about to run another scam. Please check out the site below. It tells where C & G took 80% of donations. Please! don't give them a dime. The Feds have decided once and for all NOT to prosecute them for perjury. Google STATEMENT ANALYSIS.
Sorry, I guess I opened a can of worms about memory. I just meant that these kids do SO much, all the time, and it's always over the top, it will jumble together. Of course we all have memories. I can remember being in kindergarten and painfully shy and it was close to Easter and Mrs. Ivey asked what game we should play and I whispered "a tisket, a tasket (a green and yellow basket, I wrote a letter to my mother and on the way I lost it, lost it)" and she did not hear me but the kid next to me did and shouted it out and Mrs. Ivey was so impressed and I wanted to throttle that gloating kid! (The next year, that kid forgot to wear green on St. Paddy's Day and I got my revenge during the pinching party!) I remember how that year Santa brought me 'that' doll housed in a picture frame that I wanted so badly in the BenFranklin store, to the Christmas party. Santa was real - he DID read my letter! I remember my dad filling us up with blueberry pancakes before a twisting road trip and the smell in my nose for days after I puked through my nose. I remember many, many things too, from throughout childhood, but I had a normal life. These kids have anything but that. And it's Kate's desires being fulfilled, not theirs. Remember when they did each kid's special day? That's the stuff memories are made of! Even the Palin camping trip could have created hundreds of memories among them, but they will probably just remember that their mom made them leave....
Thanks to all for the enlightening and interesting discussion on fertility issues and treatments. I have never faced these problems myself so I appreciate everyone's facts and opinions.
To me in the long run it doesnt matter one bit how someone like Katie got pregnant twice. What matters now is that she is a neglectful, abusive, mentally ill, vicious mother. She may think she is an organized and tough careTAKER and bill-payer, but that is not the same as being a parent and raising a child. As we all know.
Pregnancies, wanted or otherwise, are one matter. Growing up your whole life being shown and told over and over and over every day and in public that you are NOTHING but source of stress and exhaustion and you never ever meet your mother's 'standards', is what is destroying these eight people as human individuals. ~ Especially when your mother uses her disdain for you as the source to meet her need for intense attention. THAT part is what scares me for these kids. Kate will escalate her public disdain for her kids for continuing media attention - she cant live without it and the kids are all she has to use.
Twitmommy says you just never know where they'll pop up and that certainly seems to be the case as there just doesn't seem to be any paps left to follow and photograph them. Even ordinary folk don't seem to be having any Gosselin sightings. Which begs the question, just how long now have they all been cooped up in buses, RV's, what have you? Guess Dad won't be having his visitation with the kids, since filming is so much more important. And here we were, all worried that these kids had nothing to do all summer except play in their pool - silly us.
I was just checking facebook to see if there were any facebook sightings today (nope, nada, lol!), and I came across this poor tweeple who posted her love of Kate as a status update.
Said the tweeple: "I dont care what anyone says Kate Gosselin is an inspiring wonderful mother and woman.4get wat u see in the magazines if u watch the EPisodes she is a constant worker and thnks abt her famly unconditionally.im proud 2 live in the same state as her and id love 2 hear her speak.her main focus is her kids and u c that in the show.if u were offered a makeover aftr ur pregnancy ud take it 2."
What happened next was rather amusing. Her friends put her in her place with the following comments: " i dont want to rain on your parade. Ive never seen the show, but i have it on good authority from several people that work at Hershey Med that she is a terrible mother, and anything but a good person. Some of those people were older, christian women that I've never heard speak bad about anyone."
and "but you only see what they show you on tv. these people know her in real life."
"Her, just like the others one all these reality shows, are just exploiting their kids to get money...look at octomom and how people were dumb enough to send her money and gifts..."
It's reasuring that tweeple have rational grounded friends who call it like it is and gently guide them in the right direction.
The tweeple took it really well actually. When it's a "hater" correcting them we're haters and they call our employers to try to get us fired. When it's family members and friends they tell them thank you.
Confused: Yes, that one trip, was all I remembered of it was all the bad stuff that happened, I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember. I remember the car accident real well and the jerk who hit my rental. My other trips to California, I had a wonderful time, we went to the Tar pits, shopping, went to Universal Studios, went in the ocean. What I'm sayin is the Tups won't remember much cause of Kate, all Kate has to do is have a meltdown, that is what the kids will remember about their trips. Mommy being a jerk. Not hey we saw this or saw that. Something tramantic is something people will remember first, before they remember something happy or fun. For example: You go to a great concert, during the concert the stage falls down, what are you gonna remember first: not how great the performance was up until the stage fell, but the stage falling. People running, panic etc, not the performance. If no stage fell: the concert was great, we danced, sang along etc. That is how most people remember things, they are good or they are bad, or a combo of good and bad. Children mostly remember it as good or bad, not both. Maybe one kid will have a good time, the other kid had a lousy time cause they got sick. There are a million reasons, no 2 people see one trip the same way.
This is for Hippie Chick. I was in Chicago in 1968 during the Democratic convention, worked at the veterans' hospital with the US Marine Amputees. I protested. I was a nurse in the US Marine Corp. I did not wear my uniform after I returned from VN and to this day, have not. But I do remember the Hippie Generation quite well, the long dresses, the long hair, the earth shoes and the throwing of garbage at me and my fellow US Marines.
I hope you were not one of those. I arrived in SFO after VN and had eggs thrown on me, hair and uniform, I wore that uniform home to PHL, I did not clean my hair or my uniform, as I wanted the Hippie students who were flying at a student rate (in those days they had that type of discount. May you not be one of those people who profess to be concerned about the earth, the phylosophy is often not practiced as I also was in a wheel chair as I had lost my right leg in VN and the hippie chicks who threw those eggs did not care about my being on the way to the PHL Naval Hospital for further treatment and a prosthetic leg.
May you, Hippie Chick, really not be as angry all your life.
Kate Gosselin is not a great woman/nice woman/generous mother. She is what she is, a grifter, that is true. Her children will suffer because of her for their entire lives. That is so very, very sad and for that I write this e mail to your Blog.
May TLC deny her anymore air time. Her children not knowing they were in jackson hole, Wy? How sad, it is a cow boy town and all the horses, the cattle, the cow boys, big and small and the friendliest people around. SD, ND, WY, wherever you travel in this USA, YOU MEET GOOD PEOPLE, KIND PEOPLE and yes, even former Pres Clinton took time to hold my hand one day and talk to me, when he was in a hurry. I have seen him stop and pose for photos with anyone who asks and delays his trips because of his KINDNESS.
Perhaps when Kate is over, those children will understand kindness also and fun and how you don't have to thank you Mom everytime she does something for you, it is a part of motherhood, you give life and you thank your children for brining unconditional love in your life.
Peace & Remember these injured Military coming home, they need help and their families do as well. Kate should do something for them. We are at War or hasn't she told her children.
Yes, that one trip, was all I remembered of it was all the bad stuff that happened, I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember.
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What? You went to see James Marsters and you don't remember seeing him, what you did or if you went to the beach, but you remember the car accident. I can understand that an accident would be difficult to forget, but not remembering if you saw someone -- that I don't understand! If you were old enough to drive a rental car, then you weren't just a child, but an adult, but you don't remember seeing someone?
"You go to a great concert, during the concert the stage falls down, what are you gonna remember first: not how great the performance was up until the stage fell, but the stage falling."
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If I went to a great concert, you better believe that what I would remember, first of all, is the fantastic performance; anything else would be secondary. Of course I'd remember that the stage collapsed, but I'd also remember how much I enjoyed a wonderful performance.
Posted earlier but don't think it made it through the ether. There was a report in the news that 80% of the donations to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation were used by George and Cindy to live on. This is against the LAW! As a non-profit 501(c)(3), all charitable organizations have to file tax returns (Form 990) and show EXACTLY to whom/what the money was given as a charitable donation. Obviously, the recipients of the funds were themselves. Their asses could land in jail for this. This is FRAUD. Don't forget Caylee folks and all other "Caylee's" out there. ~~~~ Now back to the other bitch..
Teresa, I am not positive but I believe if they are considered a director or head person of a non profit they do get a wage for running it? Like the head of United Way gets paid (and others)? It stinks I know but they may be legally doing it.
Sorry...havent been here in a few weeks.So,same ol same old for the kids? Not in school so they are being filmed as much as they can? Kate says the kids say the people taping them...they are family...just like daddys...bla bla bla. kate is begging her gag...puke..."fans" to get her trips she wants to go on? Kate is still BEGGING for free stuff...I dont see any thing new. I have to ask why you look at or follow her tweets? Do you really care? They care (tlc) you are talking about what the wench says.Like the toe licking epi..the ratings went high.It wasent the kate fans that did that...it was the haters.I have yet to see it...BUT i will never see it...I dont give a shit to what she wears...promotes...sells...or begs for. I care about the kids working to pay for kates lvish lifestyle. If we can show that the kids are working...and hurting...thta might help The easy solution is DONT watch...NO ratings will get NO show. I dont care what the wench does on her OWN...we know its nothing.Give no attention to the show and it will go away. I dont care about how kates hair looks or her clothes or shoes...who she goes out with or who she holds hands with.Just to hear her voice makes me chringe....I cant imangine what it does to the kids. DONT watch and she will go away....YEP!!! Its THAT easy.
Teresa...I'm so tired of casey....The bitch got off.She was able to kill her daughter and now she walks free.I do believe in karma and casey will not have a happy ending.The media did nothing for this child killer other than make her face well known.Some nut job will get to her. I feel for caylee and wish her justice...I'm tired of it.There have been many children killed by thier parents since caylee.None who are getting the attention that this case has gotten. This shows us that kids have no say...in life OR death.The people who followed this case might just be the people supporting kate. "she tried to be a good mother" "she did what she thought was best for the kids" "she did what she had to to support the kids" ect ect right?
This trip is a long one and in my opinion has to be pretty costly. TLC obviously has enough faith in the show to continue sinking money in it. Either that or Kate has an air tight contract this time around. I just don't get it. The ratings are in a steady decline yet they keep filming the kids to death and spending money on the show.
Lt.Col Catherine M, USMC, retired(30 yrs) said... that she was in the US Marine Corps, but protested during the 1968 convention?
OK, I'm confused . . . BUT let me just say that I'm not the only person who believes that a war can be wrong, but that it is even more wrong to send soldiers to war and then attack them when they return for having done what the country sent them to do.
Like it or not, all of us in this country owe our freedom to the willingness of some of us to fight and/or support our military forces. It's absolutely right to work, and demonstrate, to change policy, but dead wrong to attack those who legally carried out existing policies.
I'm sorry for what you went through, Lt. Col. The way our veterans were treated when they returned from Viet Nam was a disgrace, as it often is still, though in different ways. It's just as wrong now as it was then.
There was a report in the news that 80% of the donations to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation were used by George and Cindy to live on. This is against the LAW! As a non-profit 501(c)(3), all charitable organizations have to file tax returns (Form 990) and show EXACTLY to whom/what the money was given as a charitable donation
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Was this "foundation" actually legally incorporated? They didn't have to become a non-profit in order to solicit funds, or spend them. People can donate to anything, any time. They just can't take the donation off their taxes unless they donate to a legally-incorporated non-profit.
The Anthony may have just accepted donations, like another well-known grifter, with or without incorporating as a non-profit. That's perfectly legal. You can take anything and everything people give you. You just have to pay taxes on the grift. Or gift.
A legal 501 (c) has to report income and expenses like any other corporation. An expense, as Teresa says, can be the salaries for "employees", and the Anthonys could certainly have been those employees.
There's no reason why salaries can't be virtually the entire expense of the foundation, but the people who receive the salaries must pay income tax like anybody else.
As a side note, it's always a good idea to check carefully before you send money to any "foundation" or grifter so that you have a good idea where it's going. Maybe people who sent money to the Caylee fund were perfectly happy to support those parents. I don't know, but I do know that I perform due diligence before handing over cash, and encourage everyone to do likewise.
We go to the Outer Banks for two weeks every summer with our entire family and the kids love it. THe one thing they cannot stand is the 10 hour drive!!! Which we usually split into 2 days.
Just how long is this "road trip" that Kate has trapped them on? It is coming up to at least 2 weeks at this point. It must be a nightmare. Especially, if Kate is admitting by her tweets that her standards are being compromised.
Do you think TLC did this purposely to her. Set her up in a confined situation so all of her "Kateness" will come out on film and she will cause another big stir like the Palin episode. Then it could really, really be their excuse to say, look we just can't work with you anymore. This is not good TV. (although, when was it) If she couldn't handle one very organized afternoon of camping, in drizzle, then how is she handling actually being with her children, confined to a small space, 24 hours a day. There have probably already been multiple break downs. I believe they are pushing her for more outbursts and meltdowns and this will either lead to canceling the show, or the curious will want to see her suffer and the ratings will go up. Poor, poor kids to be subjected to this.
Yes, and where are all the pap photos Kate?? Not that I want to see any, but you still tweet that they are all over you, everywhere you go. Don't think so.
I love how she can't be bothered to tweet her fans, but keeps asking them to tweet her. What a joke.
I was taken aback by that foundation as well, not because they got part of the money, but because their premise was to give children who became involved with policemen a Caylee bear for comfort. How could any child be comforted by a bear commemorating the demise of a 2-yo child at the hands of her own mother. It was so lame that in fact the police departments refused it. So that 20% must have gone to make up the bears that no one wanted. They should have to reveal it because I am convinced that they both knew she was dead from day one not because of any evidence but because they knew she was capable of that - as in what have you done. So Casey got the ultimate revenge in the end as she had her mother lie for her, so she could come home. But lose her she did even though she walked free, and they will not see their daughter again until she comes crawling home in the dark of the night when all the money is gone. I still feel sorry for them though they themselves will profit as well.
Lt.Col Catherine M, USMC, retired(30 yrs) said... Welcome home. The dispicable actions of some of hippie movement is a shame my generation still suffers from. I wanted the war to end, to bring my brother and friends and you home. Not all the "hippie movement" were the fringe nuts who attacked our own. I am so sorry for your experience. Hippie Chick is too young to be in our generation. But she, of course, can speak for herself.
"Peace & Remember these injured Military coming home, they need help and their families do as well. Kate should do something for them. We are at War or hasn't she told her children."
You are so right. Many people forget our men and woman are still at war. Sending packages, writing letters are so appreciated and welcomed. I seriously doubt Kate has taught her kids anything about current events or what is going on with military. Some of the kids didn't even know who the President was in one episode, not long ago. They could gather the things together that our service people need and send out packages. It doesn't cost that much at all. Or write letters to show our appreciation.
Your sentiments about Kate are absoulutely right. I just pray her kids won't suffer too much because of her need and desire to put HERSELF out front in the media.
Teresa said... Yes, from what I read, there is an investigation into the foundation. Ingrid you are right, the directors normally get a salary. The problem with this foundation is that the entire family is on the board, including Mallory. This is usually not normal, if you check other organizations, they have experts normally on the board. Neutral parties that can guide the operations, and make sure things are on the up and up. Their set up..well stinks. LOL
All the talk about memories.. brings back memories for me too. LOL I still say the kids between 2 to 5 will have a hard time remembering so many of the trips they took. We traveled a LOT when growing up, I was an Army brat. It is mostly a blur. I do remember starting to play with a scorpion in our back yard in Texas, my Mom freakin out. I was 4. Not much else I remember though. Bits and pieces. LOL
An attorney in Los Angeles started a similar bear program for kids in foster care. It was all well and good until some kid chewed on the cheap plastic eyes and choked and nearly died. Now they won't give the bears to kids under five. Which is sort of the age group that wants the bears the most. Ha.
I wonder if Casey has thanked her father yet for letting her accuse him of horrific sexual abuse basically throwing him under the bus confusing the stupid jury (which apparently wasn't hard) and helping her walk free. Or thanked her mother for lying on the stand for her.
Yes, the stuffed animal thing for kids involved in messy situations is not original, and many agencies do accept them gladly. The problem with their foundation, it is based on finding "missing" children. A noble cause, but that was NOT their situation at all. Many feel they are profiting off the death of their grandchild. I would donate in a minute and have to well established agencies who have a proven track record. Their mission is "help" with the media, go the location to "help" the parents, blah blah. Why donate so the Anthony's can travel all over the country? DONATE the money to help real foundations. That is why many people do not want their "help". I can't blame them at all.
ADMIN surely you jest. Casey won't even talk to them. Baez, when asked by their attorney about Casey, simply texted "She is safe". Baez is really overstepping his boundaries as an attorney. Many are questioning his ethics due to his over involvement.
Obviously, the recipients of the funds were themselves. Their asses could land in jail for this. This is FRAUD.
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George and Cindy Anthony will never be prosecuted for anything, and will never land in jail. The state is not prosecuting her for perjury and they won't bring charges against them for fraud. For some reason, they are untouchable.
Who paid for the cruise that they took? Reportedly it was CBS who paid a $20,000 licensing fee for footage and photos of Caylee. Who sells photos of their murdered grandchild so they can take a cruise? Something doesn't pass the smell test there.
Lt. Col Catherine M USMC... Thank you so much for serving. There are really no words I can say to thank you, & other Veterans (like my dad) that have served this fine Country & allowed us the freedom & everything afforded to us. So thank you once again.
I am not one of those hippies. I volunteer at an organization called Moore*Mart. We deliver packages to troops deployed overseas. There are also things for children in those war torn countries. I just helped with a packing process in June. It was amazing & I got to speak with a couple of guys who have some of their guys overseas. So, no I don't "condone" the war, but I SUPPORT THE TROOPS 100%. They are wonderful, incredible men & women. I hope they can come home soon. check out the website: www.mooremart.org ~Hippie Chick~
JoyInVirginia... Tim Dorsey...Thanks!! I "Wished Listed" some of them in my Nook!! I need something new to read & can't wait to check it out! I'm a huge fan of Dexter so this should be fun!
So, this trip Kate & the kids are on NOW will be shown in just a short couple of weeks? Sounds kind of strange. Does Kate know anything about what's going on with her show? She HAS messed up before. Maybe this is the series finale!!! "The Gosselins Do America!" *Fingers Crossed* ~Hippie Chick~
I am so jealous of all of you that remember so many memories from long ago (good ones). My VERY first memory is a BAT flying into my room when I was 4 years old & me screaming my head off. Now, I am terrified of bats & every year we go to a field to watch the 4th of July fireworks & there are bats, flying ALL around our heads. This year was particularly bad & I was screaming like a child & everyone in town gave me the name of "Crazy Bat Lady". My best friend & husband thought it was hilarious, but I was so stressed out & hyperventilating. Not funny.
Another fond memory? When my brother dared me to do cartwheels down the stairs. Yep, I did it, & ended up whacking my head on the radiator on the bottom. NOW, I have a major fear of ANYONE hitting their heads. The sound of it, anything. If I see it on TV, I'll have nightmares. It's a major fear. I have good memories as well, but those were my 1st memories. DAMN!!! No, I'm not crazy. :) ~Hippie Chick~
Posted earlier but don't think it made it through the ether. There was a report in the news that 80% of the donations to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation were used by George and Cindy to live on. This is against the LAW! As a non-profit 501(c)(3), all charitable organizations have to file tax returns (Form 990) and show EXACTLY to whom/what the money was given as a charitable donation. Obviously, the recipients of the funds were themselves. Their asses could land in jail for this. This is FRAUD. Don't forget Caylee folks and all other "Caylee's" out there. ~~~~ Now back to the other bitch..
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Before you accuse people of fraud and talk about jail time, it helps to examine the facts in detail.
80% of first year expenses were for administration, not 80% of donations. In actuality, almost 100% of the total donations were used for admin. and the Foundation showed a deficit.
Administrative expenses do not just include salaries. (Not to mention that taking a salary to run a nonprofit is not illegal.) There are legitimate admin. expenses associated with running an organization and it is not unusual for admin. costs to be very high for a start-up organization. They brought in a whopping $2,580.72 in the organization's first year. There are expenses associated with filing the paperwork needed to start a nonprofit; they may have paid an attorney to do the paperwork. The Foundation has a web site; most likely, someone was paid to design it and there are fees associated with maintaining it, etc., etc. Even if one of them did take a salary, they are not living high off the hog thanks to the big bucks rolling into the Foundation. How much do you think was left of that $2,580 after other expenses were paid?
In 2010, the Foundation's revenues were $334.61 and expenses were $1355.19; 45% admin, 55% program. Again, the Foundation ran a deficit.
It may not be an organization having much of an impact, but to accuse the Anthonys of fraud is completely unwarranted.
Confused still: which you still are. I AM NOT A SHEEPLE! never have been, maybe your a sheeple. Most people will remember a trip as being good or bad or in some cases both. I know on that trip I saw James Marsters, but, I was so mad at the things that happened, I could not tell you, what he sang, if there was & Meet & Greet, or anything else. Just like when the Space Shuttle disaster, everyone watch the launch, the excitement of those people going into space, then explosion happened. What will people remember, the explosion, not the happy part/excitement of the launch. Children view things way different than adult do, their attention span it short. If you don't understand what I'm saying, then, I'm not explaining anymore.
Regarding Jon's comment about Kate's parents being uninvolved with all the grandchildren: not so true. I have seen pictures of them with Sissy Clairissa's son plus Kevin and Jodi's kids, all together at some function. This was on Clairissa's blog which she took down. There was also a picture of Kate's dad holding one of the tups and a pic of Kate's mom with Clairissa's boy on a sofa. (The picture of a chubby-faced "Charlene Kreider" widely reported to be Kate's mom is probably not Kate's mother. Kate's mom has a small angular face and dark hair.)
Kate is checking off more items on her bucket list, but I can't imagine her children will be able to sort out and remember all these trips in the past 6 months: Historical Philly, Australia, New Zealand, Tennessee, Maryland, and many of the big sites in several states of the Western US! Maybe the twins will, but I doubt the younger kids will retain it.
It's probably all a blur, and I'll bet they're tired, too. At least they're not back home sweltering in the PA heat wave. I guess that's a good thing.
Regarding Jon's comment about Kate's parents being uninvolved with all the grandchildren: not so true. I have seen pictures of them with Sissy Clairissa's son plus Kevin and Jodi's kids, all together at some function.
What will people remember, the explosion, not the happy part/excitement of the launch.
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I remember the happy part. In fact, when I hear mention of it, I see Christa McAuliffe and her six fellow astronauts all smiling as they walked out of the building to the shuttle. Of course everyone remembers the tragedy, but that doesn't mean that they forget the excitement of the pre-launch and how happy one American school teacher was to be chosen to be part of this mission in space.
So sick - you said "I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember."
"of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach I DON'T REMEMBER. "Confused still" may still be confused because you stated that "of seeing him...I don't remember." It was awkwardly worded.
In the long run, however, we don't know what happy memories the kids will have of these trips, or if they will all be pleasant ones. In fact, their shrieking mom's meltdowns may be suppressed. The problem is - there is good, but there is also the bad and the ugly recorded for all of them to see one day.
Lt.Col Catherine M, USMC, retired(30 yrs) said... that she was in the US Marine Corps, but protested during the 1968 convention?
OK, I'm confused . . . BUT let me just say that I'm not the only person who believes that a war can be wrong, but that it is even more wrong to send soldiers to war and then attack them when they return for having done what the country sent them to do.
Like it or not, all of us in this country owe our freedom to the willingness of some of us to fight and/or support our military forces. It's absolutely right to work, and demonstrate, to change policy, but dead wrong to attack those who legally carried out existing policies.
I'm sorry for what you went through, Lt. Col. The way our veterans were treated when they returned from Viet Nam was a disgrace, as it often is still, though in different ways. It's just as wrong now as it was then.
Yes, that one trip, was all I remembered of it was all the bad stuff that happened, I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember.
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What? You went to see James Marsters and you don't remember seeing him, what you did or if you went to the beach, but you remember the car accident. I can understand that an accident would be difficult to forget, but not remembering if you saw someone -- that I don't understand! If you were old enough to drive a rental car, then you weren't just a child, but an adult, but you don't remember seeing someone?
"You go to a great concert, during the concert the stage falls down, what are you gonna remember first: not how great the performance was up until the stage fell, but the stage falling."
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If I went to a great concert, you better believe that what I would remember, first of all, is the fantastic performance; anything else would be secondary. Of course I'd remember that the stage collapsed, but I'd also remember how much I enjoyed a wonderful performance.
@ nit picker - You're right. Kate was 22 when she met Jon (I knew 22 figured in there somewhere), and they got married about 2 years later. She just turned 36 and the twins will be 11 in October, so she was 25 when they were born. Put it down to my sorely lacking math skills and a melted brain from the heat LOL. Thanks for setting the record straight.
I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students.
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Funny you should mention that. I recently found a class photo (31 kids) from First Grade. I had not thought about any of those kids for quite some time. I was able to identify each of them by name, recalling what they ate for lunch, their favorite playground game, etc. I even remember that the right buckle of my bookbag never seemed to stay closed. I can even look at photos of me at age 4 and remember the fabric of the dresses, the smell of the new leather shoes, and how my socks kept slipping down into the back of them. I can remember milk machines (five cents) and the "taste" of the wax on those little cartons. And, I remember all of the trips we took. Of course, when I woke up this morning, it took me awhile to remember that I had a car appointment for this afternoon! Why is that?
Oh, and I am no spring chicken. I'm a grandmom who spent her college years as an original hippie!
I'm afraid the Gosselin kids might remember their mother's meltdown on the trip to Utah, her screaming "she's ruined" at Disney, and shoving ice cream into one of the boys' faces in NYC.
I remember the line from "An Affair To Remember: - "Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories." I hope that in the future, the Gosselin kids at least have enough pleasant memories to warm their hearts.
Yes, it is, but WHAT is retained depends on a great many things, and also the circumstances. Memory works best when people - children OR adults - are not under stress. Stress makes it difficult to retain experiences, and, under most circumstances, it's the negative memories that print most vividly.
The Gosselin children might retain a great deal of their travels if they were operating from a strong foundation, experiencing these new things with a supportive, loving parent.
Each trip would have more meaning if it the relationships - between parent and child, between children, with others they interact with - were positive and valued. That is clearly not the case here.
Also, laying a foundation and preparing a context for travel makes a huge difference in what a young child remembers, too. That isn't happening here, either.
Intentionally refusing to tell children where they will be traveling, refusing to provide a cultural or geographic context, demeaning the people they meet (calling someone "Mr. Tour Guide", for example, instead of respecting that person and his role), and ensuring that the children can NEVER forget that their first obligation is to perform properly for the cameras will effect these children's experiences and their memories of them, and not for the better.
The job of the Gosselin children is NOT to travel and be enriched by their experiences. Their JOB is to continue to provide their mother with the lifestyle she prefers. Everything they do, and they retain, from these trips will always be colored by that awareness.
I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students. I remember how I loved the new supplies, the book satchel, and the new clothes. I remember the little slips (yes we wore slips back then) and some of my favorite dresses. My favorites were the one my mother made, baby dolls, with rick rack trim. I remember my fear of the big slide that I fell off of, looking up to a sea of faces staring down at me when I hit the ground. I loved it when the teacher wrote on the chalkboard, especially with new chalk. Yellow was my favorite. It was harder than the white. I remember a chosen few would get to go out periodically and clean the erasers. I loved first grade. My teacher was old and had white hair, wire rim glasses, and a soft voice with just a bit of tremulous but we all loved her and she taught us well. Yes, by age 6, memory is intact.
In reference to the article in the Huffington Post by Naughty Rob-
So in essence, what is Kate saying?
I agree, every life is precious- but didn't she knowingly cause her overly populated, and very dangerous pregnancy? Is she claiming that she had no idea that having sex with hyper stimulated ovaries would cause multiples? Is she saying that her doctors did not warn her beforehand? Is she claiming innocence?
What is she saying- that she is THAT STUPID?
Of course she knew exactly what she was doing. You don't take a specific drug, and not know the possible dangers. I'm sure her doctor, and nurses in the hospital explained the do's and don'ts. Kate simply did what she wanted.
I find her insincere warning a slap in the face to the doctors & nurses that did not turn their backs on her unethically dangerous decision. And of all people, she should be the last one dispensing advice on anything having to do with infertility.
If she was offering advice on how to fool people, or how to be a spinning b*tch on wheels.... well, that would be a different story.
Keep opening that stupid mouth, Kate. Your past is going to take you to task, and hold you publically responsible.
My God. She's really is incapable of speaking earnestly.
westbrooke, your post and many others about Kate's defense that the kids are having fun brought back a memory for me. I was about 6-7 and my dad took me with him to New Jersey from NM (apparently to garner sympathy and squeeze more $$$ out of his rich uncle, which is what happened). All I remember is having to pick which seat to sit in, which was hard, because the center seat had a smiley face on the head protector but I wanted to look out the window. (It was the 70s and my dad told me that TWA meant teeny weeny airlines, LOL!) My aunt was appalled that I had no robe so we got a little terry cloth coverup in Cape May for me to wear. She was mad that my hair was always tangled and was pretty rough combing it out. Then I had the seat decision to make on the way home! That is all I remember! My aunt was a kindergarten teacher and we did some crafts and she sent me home with some books, but I only know that because my mom still has the crafts and I read those books until they fell apart. These kids are too young and will not remember any of this stuff. Heck, my brother had a bone disease and had his hip broken and reset at 5 and mercifully, he doesn't remember any of that either! Well, at least the kids can watch their episodes...........sad.
They do have a supportive Dad! That counts for something.
I have worked extensively with troubled families in family law, kids are amazingly resilient. By no means does this mean it's okay to put a kid through crap like this because they will be fine, but it's remarkable the way kids dust themselves up and keep going with a little therapy and support. We often lose that kind of perseverance as adults.
I could not agree more. Having at least 1 'stable' parent in the life a child can do wonders of their ability to rehabilitate from the mental (and physical) abuse of another parent. My husband's mother is a narcissist and could be Kate's twin, but my husband's father was a somewhat stabilizing force in his life and that helped him see the difference between what was 'normal' and what was not. I think otherwise, he would have believed that his mother's behavior was perfectly normal and that all people behaved this way.
I feel for those kids. They will likely need a lot of therapy to untangle the mess that was their childhood and try and understand why their mother is the way she is. It's a tragedy having a parent (or friend, other family member) who has NPD. It's maddening. I always, always advise anyone who has dealings with a narcissist to distance yourself as much as possible from them. They bring zero value to your life and will only cause chaos and pain in your life. This would include parents, children, friends....anyone who is a narcissist or you suspect is one, get a good amount of distance between you and them. It's sad that it has to be that way, but it really is in your best interest. I know a lot of people will say "she's your mother (or daughter, son, father) - how can you just shut them out?" - because they are abusive and destructive and you are protecting yourself from them. Just because you are related to them means nothing when you are shielding yourself from their madness.
If we assume these seemingly uneducated, no class idiots are just what they seem, how would they have jobs that give them the income to buy advertised products????
Hippie Chick. OMG let me apologize. What I wrote was a disconnect from what I was trying to articulate. Sometimes I have trouble putting into words what I am trying to say - sorry and the post I wrote was wrong. Again, sorry. I was simply trying to say what the hippies then vs the 'hippies' now.
Make Love, Not War said."
Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries,
I am from Nova Scotia. The word Bluenoser is from, I would guess, the 1700s. Not sure why but that is what we are called by the rest of Canada. I have never heard of your air squadron or why they are called Bluenosers.
Again, HC, sorry if I offended you. Sometimes I get passionate about (stupid) subjects and shoot from the hip rather than the brain.
"We're talking just a few weeks to get the footage back to N.C., edit it, score it, caption it..."
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I know, Admin, I thought about that, too - very fast turnaround. I read her tweet twice to make sure I wasn't misreading something, but nope, that's what she said. It's not subject to interpretation (at least I don't THINK it is...it's so darn hot right now I'm really not sure about anything!)
These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
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I don't know, Jane. It seems like the tweens and teens often show much more maturity than the supposed "grownups" who do not behave like adults. You just have to wonder if Twitter is their chance to "act out" - vent to release pent-up frustration, or if they really do treat people in "real life" exactly as they do on Twitter. I don't read there on a regular basis, but I'm disgusted at the "haters" who let loose with snotty comments at a "new" twitterer who is a fan, totally berating them for a comment, or if they just sign on to ask Kate a question.
Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries, but she took issue with the fact that Hippie Chick called herself Hippie even though she wasn't part of the 60s-70s Hippie generation. Yep. Totally ironic and hypocritical.
On another note, has Kate given her bestest tweeties any indication when she is returning? It would seem like TLC is milking this for all its worth and is going to get several episodes out of it. How many shows do they have in the can right now - what hasn't been aired? It sounds like they filmed something at home, like an organization show, but did Kate ever come out and say exactly what they were filming in her area or at home?
Admin... You are so right. Kate, being such a *good* mom (OMG, I just threw up) could have brokered deals for so much. She could have started a clothing line...oh wait...or done a cook book...oh, wait! She also could have branched off & tried her hand at interviewing...oh, that's right! I guess she might have tried co-hosting on a daytime TV show or something? Oh, I completely forgot about that!! Maybe tried a spin-off on her own reality show maybe? Oh, man...she just can't catch a break! And here's why: She Kate can't do sh*t, as another poster's name so puts it. She has burned bridges, she is not nice, she is not likeable, & she will NEVER be as "famous" as she was in 2009. It's OVER for her. OVER. Kate had her chance & she blew it, with her big mouth, her diva behavior, & her rude, rude ways. ~Hippie Chick~
I am sitting here smirking at some of the comments. Took awhile to get back and catch up but here I am.
"Bluenoser", as IDModo said, is a nickname for Nova Scotians and it goes back a few. Residents of New Brunswick are known as "Herring Chokers", Manitobans "Flatlanders", well you get the picture.
What I find completely ironic is how Bluenoser was attacked for his/her comments re the hippies. The Hippie Chick fans literally attacked Bluenoser in as much as the Kate fans attack we 'haters' for our comments of Kate. Completely ironic and totally hypocritical.
On another note beautiful day here but the heat! With the humidex factored in it is supposed to feel like 47 degrees Oy! (That would be close to 120F.)
I am not trying to be nit picky-- but, wasn't the wording "15% of their (the children's) gross earnings"? Meaning 15% of what the children make is put aside. Not the gross earnings in any sense. I am pretty sure it was based on the NET of the children's allotted portion.
Who knows how much the children are making? I suspect it's nominal. 15% of that, divided by 8, can't be much at all. Since Kate can take money out for medical and education, and their school costs $15K per student, the money will be spent before they hit 18.
Red Sky At Night said... Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
**************** knowing what is going on here, I don't think the person you are referring to is going around the internet complaining. I've read his comments and see he has moved on and the only blog he is posting on is discussing all things not Kate.
Tamara, I think it's probably premature to suggest that two of the sextuplets may be "too far gone" to benefit from therapy, at the age of 7. It might be appropriate to make that judgment when they are adults and have done worse things than be expelled from school for behaviour that is the product of Kate's parenting style!
Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
I'm surprised that after being on reality tv for seven seasons, Kate isn't credited as producer for her own show. It sounds like she has a hand in the production, if TLC listens and uses some of her suggestions for the show's episodes. Not only would she have had greater control of the show's final output (including how she's portrayed on tv), but she would be making additional money on top of their usual salary.
I don't understand why she didn't make this a deal-breaker when they were renewing their contract, especially when she was one of TLC's biggest stars.
The Roloffs were producers of their own show, so TLC probably wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Kate is definitely not business savvy. It wouldn't surprise me if she isn't a producer of her defunct "Twist of Kate" show.
Wouldnn't you be riled up if you were a longtime poster who was publically banned? I see how it is around here; Kelly was a popular poster here that may not have been liked by all, but was liked by many. Now that Admin has banned him he's being raked over the coals. For shame.
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For shame on taking it elsewhere. If I had been banned, I'd probably be upset, but I most certainly wouldn't take it elsewhere and vent there. Absolutely not. What purpose does that serve? Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
That is - IF I been banned. I was reading the posts last night, and admin never said that she banned Kelly. She said that she was not posting comments. I have no idea what he might have responded to, but admin explained to him that that his posts were not going to go through.
Continuing their Wyoming working vacation, Kate says she and the kids (and crew) were in Jackson Hole today.
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Just throwing in my 3 cents, for what it's worth:
If you want to take down the kart twits at the top of this page, it will be fine by me.
Frankly, I do read them when I sign on here and her twats always piss me off, so you'd be helping my blood pressure! LOL
My reaction to her has become so visceral - like pavlov's dogs, I hear kart and I get majorly annoyed. She is so vile...
Some one commented 'starve the beast' - I agree.
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I agree on removing that twit's twitter counter on top. It serves no one here.
Quite frankly, I'm also sick of her, and the people that choose to hover around her. Plenty of good people have exposed her & TLC for the monsters they are already. The damage has been done,let Karma do the rest.
IMO, Kate Gosselin is not worth my time, and energy- and I'll be damned if I allow her mere, toxic existance affect my happiness. Kate & TLC can shove it.
"Starving the beast" is fine by me.
She must have deleted the "under attack" tweet.
Did anyone notice the nearly identical tweets she sent out about 8 hours apart? She only changed the greeting part, the rest was identical. Ummm, that's a little weird.
Anyway, I'm all for ignoring this hag. I've had enough of her for now, off to enjoy the rest of my summer.
Admin, you do a GREAT job and this is a classy blog. Keep up the good work.
Admin - I think that she said her standards for cleaning and organization were under attack and I took that to mean that the traveling side show bus/RV wasn't up to her standards. She's still trying to make everyone believe that she's a clean freak.....I don't think so I remember her being barefoot in NYC and at that gas station!
Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
I'm surprised that after being on reality tv for seven seasons, Kate isn't credited as producer for her own show. It sounds like she has a hand in the production, if TLC listens and uses some of her suggestions for the show's episodes. Not only would she have had greater control of the show's final output (including how she's portrayed on tv), but she would be making additional money on top of their usual salary.
I don't understand why she didn't make this a deal-breaker when they were renewing their contract, especially when she was one of TLC's biggest stars.
The Roloffs were producers of their own show, so TLC probably wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Kate is definitely not business savvy. It wouldn't surprise me if she isn't a producer of her defunct "Twist of Kate" show.
Tweet hmm, I was assuming that as usual Kate left out all punctuation. When she said they've had "challenges" plural I assumed she was listing the challenges, which include cleanliness and being under attack. But you're right I think she means her cleanliness is under attack. Understanding her tweets is a game in itself.
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I'm surprised that after being on reality tv for seven seasons, Kate isn't credited as producer for her own show.
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One word I think, laziness. She just wants to have the money handed to her. She could care less about helping to make a great product or shaping the direction of the show or anything, she just wants to sit there and have someone spoon feed it to her like a baby.
Most celebrities after having a show where they are the star this long definitely have a producer credit at this stage and spend a great deal of time working on the show and making it better and coming up with other spin offs or projects. ESPECIALLY a reality show about you. You're right I don't think Kate has a business savvy bone in her body. I don't think she could sell lemonade. It's sad because I think she could have made 10 times what she did. If the kids have to work away their childhoods, you might as well show them some serious cash for it when they are adults. But as usual their stupid mother can't even give them that.
Let's look at other folks similarly situated to Kate, on IMDB. Kris Jenner: producer credit. Kathy Griffin: executive producer credit. Paris Hilton (The World According to Paris): executive producer credit. Amy Roloff: producer credit.
Kate: NOTHING.
I thought Jon and Kate did have producer status, or at least in name. Weren't people up in arms and confused on how they could let certain things air, when they were supposedly pre-viewing and editing every episode?
Also, I would not so much blame Kate for being business stupid (well, she's pretty much everything stupid) but her attorneys and management. Then again, they were probably hired by TLC.
No business sense in either Kate or Jon. It has bitten Jon, and hopefully it will get Kate too. Just let the kids be collateral damage, at least not more than they have been. Decades of therapy there, and even then the sad fact is at least 2 may already be too far gone.
I think it might be beneficial to require that networks are not to negotiate contracts with reality hopefuls unless they have representation, be it a lawyer, agent or something else.
"One word I think, laziness. She just wants to have the money handed to her. She could care less about helping to make a great product or shaping the direction of the show or anything, she just wants to sit there and have someone spoon feed it to her like a baby."
Not only lazy but I have noticed over the years that Kate is really not great at anything. She obviously not very coordinated, i.e. DWTS, according to her she barely got through the ab champs infomercial, and everything she tries she has trouble with. I don't understand why people think she's such a great cook, I've seen pictures of her creations. There are only a few things Kate is really passionate about...free things, fame, looking sexy, and easy money. If anyone can name one thing Kate excels at I would be surprised.
No, Kate and Jon have never had a producer credit on either show, ever.
They mentioned viewing the episodes in advance at some point but apparently that was never enough to get a producer credit.
Tamara, I think it's probably premature to suggest that two of the sextuplets may be "too far gone" to benefit from therapy, at the age of 7.
It might be appropriate to make that judgment when they are adults and have done worse things than be expelled from school for behaviour that is the product of Kate's parenting style!
Long time lurker here....
This is the only place I read Kate's tweets, and I enjoy the convenience of seeing them here.
If people don't like seeing them when they open this web site, what about moving her tweets to the end, past the rules, where one would only see them if they were sought out?
Please don't take them off the blog entirely. :) :) Please....
Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
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Absolutely. Well said. It reminds me of things that went on in elementary school. You have a spat with your friends and you go to another group and badmouth the kid or kids with whom you are having a spat. Something happens with the second group of friends, and you go back to the first group of friends and badmouth the second group. Yes, you may feel you've been wronged, but you don't change sides and play one against the other. It's childish. Kids do it because they don't have the experience or emotional development to deal with those situations. They're just kids. Adults should behave with much more maturity.
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Tamara, I remember it, too. There was mention of Kate producing or having a hand in production because I thought at the time, oh, great...she's going to be running the show - trips to Europe, Asia, cruises. grifting until the cows come home!
Anonymous I don't plan on moving the twitter feed don't worry although I'm always open to feedback.
If Jaycee Duggard can be successfully treated in therapy after 18 years of abuse anyone can.
Gotyournumber I totally agree. Kate is just kind of mediocre, not special talents or skills. Things she tries she fails at. Dancing, for one.
On that note, I kind of wonder if Kate's over the top personality and shenanigans is to compensate for a lot of very deep insecurities. I wonder if deep down she knows that she is nothing without the kids.
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On that note, I kind of wonder if Kate's over the top personality and shenanigans is to compensate for a lot of very deep insecurities. I wonder if deep down she knows that she is nothing without the kids.
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On some level, deep down, I'm sure she does. However, she continues to grift her way thru her life rather than put in the time and effort to
develop a second career which would give her the ability to support herself and the children after the show ends. I think it's a combination of her mental health issues and laziness.
Red Sky At Night said... Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
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knowing what is going on here, I don't think the person you are referring to is going around the internet complaining. I've read his comments and see he has moved on and the only blog he is posting on is discussing all things not Kate.
Off the top of my head I can think of five different business ideas Kate could have been developing all this time as a spinoff to the show as a second, and possibly even MORE lucrative career. She was given a golden opportunity of a built in audience most people could only dream of and she did nothing. She tanned and got manicures and went to Target and did nothing to continue this gravy train. Now when the show ends she'll have to dig into the children's piggy banks until it's out and when they're 18, they'll have nothing. Their trust funds won't help them since you can dig into them for things like schooling. The kids are screwed, essentially.
Their trust funds won't help them since you can dig into them for things like schooling. The kids are screwed, essentially.
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The law stipulated that at least 15 percent of the gross proceeds, due to the children, must be placed in trust funds until they reach the age of 18 or unless needed for their safety, education, welfare or health. She can dig into the fund for more things than schooling, such as any medical care, clothing, ANYTHING for their well-being, including security, haircuts, transportation, and basically, all living expenses because the term "welfare" is so broad.
Under the new law, Bill 1548, it specifically states:
"The minor's parent or guardian may serve as trustee of the child performer trust account.
v) Once the minor's trust account balance reaches one hundred-fifty thousand ($150,000.00) dollars or more, a trust company shall be appointed by the minor's parent or guardian to serve as trustee of the account."
That's all well and good, but if there isn't $150,000 in the account, is there any watch dog out there to whom she must report how the money is being spent? If it has reached $150,000, must she request the money from the trust company and justify every penny spent?
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Off the top of my head I can think of five different business ideas Kate could have been developing all this time as a spinoff to the show as a second, and possibly even MORE lucrative career. She was given a golden opportunity of a built in audience most people could only dream of and she did nothing. She tanned and got manicures and went to Target and did nothing to continue this gravy train. Now when the show ends she'll have to dig into the children's piggy banks until it's out and when they're 18, they'll have nothing. Their trust funds won't help them since you can dig into them for things like schooling. The kids are screwed, essentially.
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Yet all she does is drag the children all over creation filming the ---- out of them and go on twitter every couple of hours announcing the number of her twitter followers and sucking up to them by saying she has enjoyed getting to know them. She does know she's not getting paid so many $ for each person who follows her on twitter, right? Or does she think her twitter followers will financially support her when the show ends? If she is, she's even more stupid and lazy than I thought since many of her followers have created multiple accounts to boost her numbers.
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I've read his comments and see he has moved on and the only blog he is posting on is discussing all things not Kate.
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There's an anti-Kate blog that is not discussing Kate? Well, that's a first! :)
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Red Sky At Night said... Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
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Sorry, I didn't make that comment.
It's about every legal, financial, and even public relations deals that have happened since, all of which seemed to have hurt Jon. And the kids of course.
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Unless one has been a party to every legal, financial and public relations deal in which Jon was engaged, how would one know exactly what he did, or what he didn't do? I would expect that there would have been much legal maneuvering done behind the scenes that never was made public, nor should it have been.
Don't give Kate ideas about being paid for producing. She probably thinks that thinking up places to go and things to get for free would qualify for that. Doesn't quite cut it though--you need to cost it out. She could never figure travel schedules and costs. She'd have giant holes in the itinery. 'Oops, where'd I put that?" " I thought they were open on Monday." "I didn't get the crew rooms; I thought they'd do that." "Where is the food?"
On another note, the Tour is great. Rained most every day, today looked like hail beating down. So glad they have it on tv.
Administrator said: If Jaycee Duggard can be successfully treated in therapy after 18 years of abuse anyone can.
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While I agree, that it is impressive that Jaycee appears to be doing well with therapy and I applaud her, but the biggest difference between her and Kate is Jaycee WANTED to deal with the issue at hand. Narcissists like Kate don't deal with their issues because they don't believe they have anything to work on. Everyone else has/is the problem. Kate will NEVER admit that she might have some things she needs to work on (understatement, I know) because in her mind, she's just fine. If anyone else has a problem with her, then THEY are the ones who are at fault or have things they need to work on....not her.
Kate is a narcissist. Plain and simple. And narcissists do not change. Ever.
"Administrator said... Off the top of my head I can think of five different business ideas Kate could have been developing all this time as a spinoff to the show as a second, and possibly even MORE lucrative career"
I have always said that Kate is not resourceful at all. She seems to wait for others to do things for her. She could have written organizational books. Her cooking? Eh, I have never seen anything special she has done. Her "creations" are rip offs from published works/magazines such as Good Housekeeping. (the infamous 4th of July cake) so that would out as soon as the recipes were reseatched, as they do with all cookbooks. I suspect this is the very reason her cookbook was nixed.
She could have gone into her own line of kids clothes. That would have probably taken off big time. BUT, it is a lot of work. LOL
At the height of their popularity, sure she could have done many things. When she had more people fooled. It is too bad neither of them had much business sense to turn their populartiy into big bank. I was so shocked when Jon said they didn't even have an attorney when they signed their original contracts. No matter how "hungry" you are, you have to use your head. And $22,500 an episode, I think Jon said that is what they were making after 2 years? Wow. That was a stunner too.
The Osbournes did their show the first year for 5K an episode, when they saw how popular it was, they negotiated for $5 MILLION per for the second year. Now THAT is good business sense.
I had read that TLC made over 300 million just on their show alone. Sad they didn't turn that into a huge payoff. I suspect they trusted TLC and didn't fight whatever they offered them. But during the divorce, Jon said he tried to get Kate to see what TLC was doing to them, but she wouldn't listen.
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Tamara, I think it's probably premature to suggest that two of the sextuplets may be "too far gone" to benefit from therapy, at the age of 7.
It might be appropriate to make that judgment when they are adults and have done worse things than be expelled from school for behaviour that is the product of Kate's parenting style!
ID, I didn't mean specifically Collin, or Alexis, though I can see how my comment might have seemed that way. Vaugness plagues me lol. Because children are so often who they essentially be already at age 3, and love maps are made by age 6, it will be hard going for all eight. Then add in abuse (mental, physical and emotional), the extreme sexuality/female-male based judgments, abuses witnessed, favouritism towards certain kids, obvious dislike of other by parents, mother's obsession with cleanliness, and control, the control of food, and their potty training problems (again control, force, shame, publicity, though that was unknown at the time), and that a lot of this was caught on film and shown to millions, including over and over to the kids themselves. Don't get me wrong, I desperately hope ALL eight can with time and help overcome all of this, but I worry. And not just for the eight, but for society at large. Too many child psychology and abnormal psych classes mixed with knowledge of crime I guess. Makes me overly freaked.
"E-Town neighbor That's all well and good, but if there isn't $150,000 in the account, is there any watch dog out there to whom she must report how the money is being spent? If it has reached $150,000, must she request the money from the trust company and justify every penny spent? "
I have dealt with a trust company. It is NOT easy to get money at all. They put you through all sorts of hoops, and you have to prove REALLY prove what you need it for. You also have to disclose every penny you have to justify that the funds are needed. It is to protect the money for the parties involved, so it is understandable. Usually after all the hoops have been jumped though, then you have to go to court to get the transaction approved. The court double checks everyone to make sure everything is kosher before approving it. It is NOT simple at all. It is good there are many save guards are in place so that any party is not given the chance to misuse the funds. If it under a certain amount, then it can be dipped into without any regulators overseeing the funds. Depends on what is set up.
I'm Baaaaaaack! said...For shame on taking it elsewhere. Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
Red Sky At Night said... Absolutely. Well said. It reminds me of things that went on in elementary school.
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Both your posts say it very well. No one is getting "raked over the coals" except this blog and the people on it. Childish is the word. Enough of the silliness.
On a side note, regarding Kate's tweets. Not sure where some people are getting that "we" have said we don't read her tweets. Some do, some don't. I stopped for awhile because of all the nastiness and attacks. It got pretty boring. I do like to read her tweets because it exposes HER. And it can get entertaining. I have no problem with the tweets showing, personally, even though the fan replies CAN be just as entertaining. You have to admit they can get pretty funny as well as pathetic. I don't see anything wrong with "dissecting her tweets". It certainly is NOT the same as attacking her constantly on the feed. /end rant. LOL
On TLC...The Roloffs complained because of all the horrible attacks they were getting on their TLC blog. TLC told Matt that the "more noise there is, the better" or something to that effect. He then started his own blog so HE could control it, and respond to fans the way he wanted to. He was pretty upset with TLC over not protecting them more. They have 5 open stalker cases with the police, BTW. TLC loves these attacks on the public feeds, another example of exploitation of their own "stars".
Just watching the news. A couple found a Facebook page made by someone for their 5 year old daughter! Even had a picture of her was on the page. They have NO clue who made, the police are investigating. Geeez these people are not even in the public eye.
This reminds me of the FB and twitter accounts that were made under the Gosselin kids' names. All the youtube accounts with videos of the kids. That is SO creepy. Why expose your little kids to this? Yes, they are on a tv show, but these are LITTLE kids. The obsession some have for these kids is pretty frightening to me. Fan pages are on thing about the whole family. But the kids being singled out, is just creepy. One GUY tweeted to Kate he "wanted to babysit the kids". Ugh.
I am not trying to be nit picky-- but, wasn't the wording "15% of their (the children's) gross earnings"? Meaning 15% of what the children make is put aside. Not the gross earnings in any sense. I am pretty sure it was based on the NET of the children's allotted portion.
Who knows how much the children are making? I suspect it's nominal. 15% of that, divided by 8, can't be much at all. Since Kate can take money out for medical and education, and their school costs $15K per student, the money will be spent before they hit 18.
I am sitting here smirking at some of the comments. Took awhile to get back and catch up but here I am.
"Bluenoser", as IDModo said, is a nickname for Nova Scotians and it goes back a few. Residents of New Brunswick are known as "Herring Chokers", Manitobans "Flatlanders", well you get the picture.
What I find completely ironic is how Bluenoser was attacked for his/her comments re the hippies. The Hippie Chick fans literally attacked Bluenoser in as much as the Kate fans attack we 'haters' for our comments of Kate. Completely ironic and totally hypocritical.
On another note beautiful day here but the heat! With the humidex factored in it is supposed to feel like 47 degrees Oy! (That would be close to 120F.)
Anonymous I was speaking of the children benefiting from therapy. I agree it's been well documented that narcissists don't benefit from therapy and in fact won't participate.
Kate's handling of the whole Lafair situation was absolutely textbook. She was clearly having therapy, but was in complete denial the therapy was for her. She resisted the very idea SHE was having therapy as if she were asked to touch a hot stove. Oh no it was all for everyone else around her who was messed up, not perfect Kate.
Canadian Lurker, actually Bluenoser attacked HippieChick first. I was half asleep and didn't really realize that had happened so the comment got through. After that I felt it only fair people respond. I didn't see any attacks, people were respectful.
If you're going to call someone out, completely out of the blue like that, I'm going to let people respond.
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If Jaycee Duggard can be successfully treated in therapy after 18 years of abuse anyone can.
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Jaycee Duggard may have had a childhood with a mother who loved her before she was taken. That's a great foundation for life.
The Gosselin children don't have either the mother or the great foundation. Their struggle will be rough, and they won't have a mature mother by their sides to help them through.
They do have a supportive Dad! That counts for something.
I have worked extensively with troubled families in family law, kids are amazingly resilient. By no means does this mean it's okay to put a kid through crap like this because they will be fine, but it's remarkable the way kids dust themselves up and keep going with a little therapy and support. We often lose that kind of perseverance as adults.
I'm not going to comment much anymore. It is crystal clear that our blog comments are taken quite seriously by TLC. Do YOU not see the connection, after all the negative comments about Kate taking those children overseas on expensive trips and we saying why don't they just see America, that they now are doing something educational and playing tourist here? We are CONTRIBUTING to the show's ideas and making it possible for Kate Gosselin to continue dragging those kids around everywhere. I'm done. I refuse to be a TLC pawn. And while I'm at it, I don't think her twitter comments should be followed and posted either.
TLC Stinks, I think you're giving us a heck of a lot of credit. I don't think they're traveling in the United States because we told them to (not exactly an original idea anyway, no?) but because it's CHEAPER, pure and simple. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to crunch the numbers and realize an RV trip will save TLC money as opposed to another Australian adventure.
Also, a Tweeple from South Dakota asked Kate to come there a few months ago, why wouldn't she be responsible for this idea anymore than us? We never said they should go there.
There are only a few things Kate is really passionate about...free things, fame, looking sexy, and easy money. If anyone can name one thing Kate excels at I would be surprised.
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About the only thing she's been able to do very successfully is lower the standards for "celebrity" status.
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You are so right. Kate, being such a *good* mom (OMG, I just threw up) could have brokered deals for so much. She could have started a clothing line...oh wait...or done a cook book...oh, wait! She also could have branched off & tried her hand at interviewing...oh, that's right! I guess she might have tried co-hosting on a daytime TV show or something? Oh, I completely forgot about that!! Maybe tried a spin-off on her own reality show maybe? Oh, man...she just can't catch a break! And here's why: She Kate can't do sh*t, as another poster's name so puts it. She has burned bridges, she is not nice, she is not likeable, & she will NEVER be as "famous" as she was in 2009. It's OVER for her. OVER. Kate had her chance & she blew it, with her big mouth, her diva behavior, & her rude, rude ways.
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Hippie Chick, I so agree with you. I tried to post almost the same thing yesterday and it never showed up. Oh well.
Yes, if Kate were likable, she would have had so many more opportunities waiting for her. She may have even taken one that was Just Kate and not the kids, and have made more cash than
even she could imagine. If she were any more intelligent than she is, she might have had a good stab at even more jobs on a relatively stable basis (no job is absolutely secure).
But because she is unlikable her stints are short term. Her smarts are limited to a few topics. She has totally put herself in the position of being nothing more than a running joke. Infomercials? C'mon. Unless it is a product the spokesperson has either invented or truly uses at home, the people on those videos are nothing more than straw graspers. Hey, remember me? I used to be famous. Now, not so much. But I'm on TV right now, you remember my glory days, and now you can still think I'm wonderful. I'm tan, thin, blonde and aren't you jealous? Yeah, I knew you would be. I'm making beaucoup bucks to make you feel that way, too. HA! I win! Now, driver, take me to my bank, right now. I said NOW!
What she is doing now to earn money smacks of desperation to hang on somehow. I know she needs to earn money, but why, oh why, does it have to be in the spotlight? She's in that spotlight because - and only because - of her sextuplets. Mady and Cara alone didn't do this for her. It was the 6-at-once-20-years-on bedrest HOM birth that got her any attention at all from the outside world she seems to abhor so very much.
Msybe as her next gig Kate can do an Arby's ad. A grouchy, rude person walks into Arby's,
gets some of that Good Mood Food and walks out
dancing like a star. I want my cut when they make that ad!
The Hippie Chick fans literally attacked Bluenoser in as much as the Kate fans attack we 'haters' for our comments of Kate. Completely ironic and totally hypocritical.
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Not at all. Not literally or otherwise. A long time poster here, Hippie was attacked for no reason other than calling herself Hippie Chick. There was no reason for it. There were no attacks on Bluenoser. There were no threats, no verbal abuse...posters just stated facts regarding the Hippies still being alive and well, therefore pointing out that Bluenoser was incorrect in her assertion that the term belonged to "her" generation. If the replies took on a defensive tone, I believe it was because some here were very surprised that a poster would, for no reason, make derogatory remarks about someone who did or said nothing to deserve such comments.
When someone, such as Bluenoser is disrepectful and goes into a rant against another person, it's only natural that there is going to be a response. Why let someone like that have the last word when she/he was clearly out of line?
I think that the only reason TLC took Kate on this trip is for: 1. cheap travel, 2. make her look like everyone else who are normal taking a trip(image change)3. fulfill contract, 4. to shut up her complaining that they are not taking her anywhere or she is not going anywhere. Kate has now complained about the trip, since this is not exactly where she wanted to go(she wanted to go over seas) or the way she wanted have gone(you know 5 star hotel etc). And I do agree with the person who said TLC reads this blog. TLC is desperately tryin to change her image, sorry charley your too late. And yes, Kate had way too many opportunities, and directions given her to go and she flushed everyone of them down the toilet(she thought she was too good for any of that). Because of her quest for fame and self importance. If she had been a smart person, she would have paid off the house ASAP, then put money away for kids school, invest her money for future, BUT NO Kate had to spend on herself. Kate is not the sharp or sharpest pencil in the box, in fact she is not even in the box.
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"Completely ironic and totally hypocritical."
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Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries, but she took issue with the fact that Hippie Chick called herself Hippie even though she wasn't part of the 60s-70s Hippie generation. Yep. Totally ironic and hypocritical.
On another note, has Kate given her bestest tweeties any indication when she is returning? It would seem like TLC is milking this for all its worth and is going to get several episodes out of it. How many shows do they have in the can right now - what hasn't been aired? It sounds like they filmed something at home, like an organization show, but did Kate ever come out and say exactly what they were filming in her area or at home?
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The Aug 8 episode is going to be chuck full of stuff...Kate's "unbelievable" thing she did that made her arms sore, and this trip. Very odd.
Since Kate can take money out for medical and education, and their school costs $15K per student, the money will be spent before they hit 18.
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Kate is definitely stressing about this! I have often wondered if she has truly thought through the implications of this cost and her ability to afford it. If that quote is correct, then the tuition for 8 children in the LCDS lower school is $120,000 this year. Multiply that figure by the number of remaining years until high school graduation, and it is well in excess of $1,000,000. Of course, tuition costs will increase, and there are additional fees that tuition does not cover.
I think Kate would be wise to reconsider this. Although it would be a difficult decision, she could place the kids in a less expensive school , or even consider (gasp!) public school.
I say this because we have not even talked about college. That is what she should be saving for now. Costs for universities are multiplying every year, and she will not be prepared to pay for 8 college educations with what she is shelling out for their current school. I’ll bet this is keeping her up at night...
Kate has now complained about the trip, since this is not exactly where she wanted to go(she wanted to go over seas) or the way she wanted have gone(you know 5 star hotel etc)
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I don't think she's really complained, has she? She just tweeted:
"Hi. I'm good.My kids are great-- having SO much fun on this crazy, like never before trip."
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All of her tweets have a relatively positive tone, like she's actually enjoying it! Isn't every trip for her better and more fun than the one before? I thought Australia was the trip to end all trips and was so amazing and awesome.
"If she had been a smart person, she would have paid off the house ASAP, then put money away for kids school, invest her money for future"
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It's held in a trust, and we really don't know what the terms of that are. In addition, it's not necessarily a bad idea to have a mortgage - interest deductions - so the person who set this up would know her tax bracket, and all of the tax angles involved in owning this property and keeping a mortgage on it. They would have considered the factors of keeping a mortgage and weighed them against paying it off.
She doesn't need to put money away for the kids' school. According to the child labor laws, she can dip into THEIR money for educational purposes.
It appears this freebie vacay is testing her organizational skills. As in what - her ability to spend as little time as possible with her children? Must be tough, roughing it in some of the most beautiful parts of our great nation, dragging along the bidyguard, the bff and her children, the babysitter, toughing it out not eating in roadside diners, etc. Is she so clueless to not realize TLC, who is once again shamelessly footing the bill for her traveling circus, READS her whiny tweets. Classless piece of work, and once again, another long stretch for the kids away from their father. IMHO she sits at the top of a newly minted E celeb list.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/kate-gosselin-fertility-treatments-kids_n_904094.html
Oy.
Late to the party as usual, but I wanted to back up Hippie Chick & fidosmommy regarding Khate's wasted opportunities. Back in 2008/2009, she DID have opportunities to branch out, but she failed on all of them. It seems to be a matter of her not having the credentials, not being likeable, and acting like an a** on her show.
First, she had the chance to be an author. After her moderately successful "Multiple Blessings", written by Beth Carson, Khate was given a 3-book contract with Zondervan. Khate got what she wanted out of Beth and ditched her to pursue this on her own. Problem is, Khate cannot write, she has nothing to write about besides herself and her children's personal business, and her Christian facade had all but crumbled to the ground.
She also had that Procter & Gamble coupon gig and the Kmart layaway. But even back then, detractors had her "number" and threatened to boycott P&G products. I think there was too much backlash against P&G to keep that gig going. A wealthy woman promoting coupon-cutting and Kmart layaway didn't make sense, and consumers knew it. Khate would never shop at Kmart if she had a choice, let alone need their holiday layaway program.
Last one I'll mention is the failed Health-Tex clothing line. This one was pretty much DOA, I remember reading the clothing went directly to the bargain bins if they even made it to retail. Her image between the time the deal was made, to the time it took for the clothes to be shipped, had been tarnished too much to make the venture profitable.
That's three great job opportunities for Khate to be the "Mom of all Moms", but she ruined it all by living large in real life and playing poor on TV. Most people aren't that dumb to not see the hypocrisy in that. The messy divorce didn't help matters, either. Had she showed some appreciation for her good fortune and genuinely cared for others, she could have gone far with a charity for a multiples support organization, but that is not the kind of person she is. For her it's all about me and my kids, making sure I, then my children, get what we want and deserve.
It sounds like they filmed something at home, like an organization show, but did Kate ever come out and say exactly what they were filming in her area or at home?
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Maybe TLC is giving poor Katie another house reno for one more boring "let's surprise Kate" episode. I'm think she mentioned that getting her 'very own personal home office someday' is on her bucket list. How much more can they do with that show. It's all "been there, done that" now. What's left?
Oh wow, I glanced at that tweet above and burst out laughing. Apparently someone told her they are getting married and she responds with 'happy wedding.....ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEE.....good luck!' Haha, she's a head scratcher for sure.
AuntieAnn said...
Maybe TLC is giving poor Katie another house reno for one more boring "let's surprise Kate" episode. I'm think she mentioned that getting her 'very own personal home office someday' is on her bucket list
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Auntie Ann, I agree. I said a few threads back, that I thought all this complaining of her arms hurting and how she has done something she probably won't do again, means she is doing something with the house. They were at home and filming. I thought she may have painted/redecorated the kids rooms, but building an office is a possibility also. She has to get in these freebies while they are still there for the taking.
My other thought is that she went to the new Zip Line park in the Poconos. It has lines for under 10 year olds and older. That would certainly scare the ____ out of her. She was commenting about something you wouldn't believe she would do and will never do again. She also tweeted some obscure tweet about a canopy, which is how zip lines are referred to sometimes. If that is what they did, at least the kids would have had fun, but we know it is never about the kids, it is about Kate and her "aching" arms.
E-townNeighbor said...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/kate-gosselin-fertility-treatments-kids_n_904094.html
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What's the Naughty But Nice Rob doing...taking one interview and writing a weekly column about Kate Gosselin?
Apparently someone told her they are getting married and she responds with 'happy wedding...
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Hysterical, isn't it? She can't even separate "Happy wedding" from the "wait til u c...". It's joined with an ampersand (yes, Kate, that's what that squigglyish thing - & - is called!).
Why not wish someone a happy wedding, say good luck and end it there, and THEN, do a separate tweet if you want to talk about MEEEEEE MEEEEE?
I don't know that I've ever seen a more self-centered person. Until she started this tweeting ritual, I didn't know just how big an ego she has.
E-townNeighbor said...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/kate-gosselin-fertility-treatments-kids_n_904094.html
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And the point of that article was???? Sorry, but doesn't the HP have better things to report on or was it just a slow news day? And she really didn't say much of anything - oh, if you're thinking about fertility treatments, be careful. Know the risks. The thing is, I would imagine, if your at the point your considering fertility treatments, most people have already considered the risks.
If you really want to control the number of children you have (Kate: "I just wanted ONE more, not eight!), do IVF not IUI. Unfortunately, insurance companies will cover IUI because it's cheaper than IVF or they will require you do so many cycles of IUI before they'll pay for IVF, so I understand the quandry people must have. We had relatives who went through several rounds of IVF and it was extremely expensive. In the end they adopted, which, by the way, is another great way to control the number of children you have (and again, I realize that it too is expensive and there are hurdles involved).

Just curious said...
E-townNeighbor said...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/kate-gosselin-fertility-treatments-kids_n_904094.html
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What's the Naughty But Nice Rob doing...taking one interview and writing a weekly column about Kate Gosselin?
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Hired by TLC to get viewers? They got her more with the foot licking. They know the only way to get any is to go after the shock/slow-down-to-see-the-car-crash viewers.
My other thought is that she went to the new Zip Line park in the Poconos.
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Please say it ain't so. That banshee screech of hers is too much already and we know that's what she'll do if she gets on a zip line. Poor little forest creatures will be so frightened.
Kate's giving advise on fertility treatments??? Ya Right... more like she's protecting her status as a mom of multiples and isn't appreciating the amount of competition out there...
Warmth of the Sun, I looked at that tweet again and laughed again, but I also looked at the tweet that she responded to, and to be fair it was along the lines of 'wish I had your organizational skills (gag) 4 days before my wedding.' But.....Kate could have skipped right past that and just wished her well. Of course, she didn't and used it as another opportunity to plug herself and her show. Sigh..... I have seen her respond to other wedding or anniversary announcements with much sarcasm, along the lines of 'good luck with that' and I didn't like that either, but this one was especially weirdish!
These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
HBICofDivas
@JensOpinion @10dicks No, I'm not dumb. U R! # dumbass #liar
These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
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I don't know, Jane. It seems like the tweens and teens often show much more maturity than the supposed "grownups" who do not behave like adults. You just have to wonder if Twitter is their chance to "act out" - vent to release pent-up frustration, or if they really do treat people in "real life" exactly as they do on Twitter. I don't read there on a regular basis, but I'm disgusted at the "haters" who let loose with snotty comments at a "new" twitterer who is a fan, totally berating them for a comment, or if they just sign on to ask Kate a question.
That HuffPost article? Um, when did hell freeze over that Kate is giving advice about multiple births & parenting & HOMs & all children are God's children (duh) & such? This is just wrong. She needs to shut up. Does she not want people stepping in on her territory? Why can't she STFU?
Big UGH over here!
~Hippie Chick~
That is just SO INTERESTING. that twitter works REAL WELL when you are promoting your show, in between she just couldn't be bothered. Used for ratings, that is all they are and they don't even realize it. Some will grow up and will look back on it like a bad hairstyle, the other ones, I just feel sorry for.
Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
Oh there are so many things they could have done well and better BUT they got sucked so hard into the fame game and believe me, it cost her big time . . . . and will continue to cost her for some time to come . .. if I see her on tv I just think fake tan, fake body, fake image, fake, fake, fake ---those children will grow up and realize what happened to them . . . they know what I'm talking about as it was seen with out own 2 eyes. Nothing you can do when the pain and scars are not visible marks of physical abuse but oh . . . what they verbally had to hear . . . . 2 of the 6 acted out for a reason . . . .seeds, planted by their mother. I heard she made some comment that people who meet her and feel negative change their view of her 100% of the time. It is running joke and before I hear the tiring jealous argument -- we have anonymous lives she can only dream of.
westbrooke said...
Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
Oh there are so many things they could have done well and better BUT they got sucked so hard into the fame game and believe me, it cost her big time . . . . and will continue to cost her for some time to come . .. if I see her on tv I just think fake tan, fake body, fake image, fake, fake, fake ---those children will grow up and realize what happened to them . . . they know what I'm talking about as it was seen with our own 2 eyes. Nothing you can do when the pain and scars are not visible marks of physical abuse but oh . . . what they verbally had to endure . . . . 2 of the 6 acted out for a reason . . . .seeds, planted by their mother. I heard she made some comment that people who meet her and feel negative change their view of her 100% of the time. That is a joke and before I hear the tiring jealous argument -- we have anonymous lives she can only dream of.
resubmitted as I couldn't type the first time : )
On a recent episode of the show "Leverage", where the "job" was to get the bad guy by sucking him with fame and fortune, one of the "good" characters said another "We all know that Fame is a monster and you want to poke it with a stick?!"
A great line, no? I love scripted television.
"How many shows do they have in the can right now - what hasn't been aired?"
1. A Question and Answer show. Tweeters submitted questions.
2. Kate and the twins' trip to Maryland. The six did stuff at home.
3. Whatever home filming they did. Something about Kate's arm hurting?
4. The trip out west.
I remember more about this wretched mess than I should.
I'm not sure when the show comes back on. Did Kate say on Twitter? LOL Not like I'll watch it
Tamara made a comment that made me think of something that I hadn't before regarding the kids when they are adults.
Most of us, whether we have great childhoods or bad ones have stuff happen to us and eventually the memory fades. If it's particularly bad we may remember if more vividly, but still it fades and we are able to hopefully move on from it.
These kids have had so much of their lives and (IMO) abuses documented that they will never have the ability for it to fade. They will literally be able to watch Kate abusing them over and over again for their entire lives (gumgate, cupcakegate, aiden(?) on the laundry room floor are the big 3 that come right to my mind).
On the upside, I guess all they have to do is take the DVDs in with them to the therapists office for documentation that they really did go through all the crazy stuff they say happened to them :(
Kate's twatter:
Hi. I'm good.My kids are great-- having SO much fun on this crazy, like never before trip.. Which u will get 2 c Aug 8 TLC!
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It sounds like the West trip is going to be shown on August 8. Does this mean they'll skip the Q&A and the Maryland shows...or doesn't Kate know what show is going to be aired on August 8?
Not that Kate can be trusted to know what is going on with her own show, but an episode airing August 8 when they are still on the trip and still filming is a VERY quick turnaround for the editors. We're talking just a few weeks to get the footage back to N.C., edit it, score it, caption it when the kids are mumbling, come up with questions to ask Kate and the kids, interview Kate and the kids on the coach, probably interview Jamie, get everything approved by all the higher ups, and have it ready to go in a few weeks. It can be done, but most Kate Plus 8 shows, if not all, are filmed and aired months apart from each other. This August date was set awhile ago, seems to me there is other footage in the can they would probably show first. If it is, sounds like the second the kids get home they will be made to sit on the coach and answer questions about the episode. Nice.
I wonder if this is another case of Kate not really up to speed.
Admin said,
"We're talking just a few weeks to get the footage back to N.C., edit it, score it, caption it..."
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I know, Admin, I thought about that, too - very fast turnaround. I read her tweet twice to make sure I wasn't misreading something, but nope, that's what she said. It's not subject to interpretation (at least I don't THINK it is...it's so darn hot right now I'm really not sure about anything!)
I dont' think we're misinterpreting the tweet as I often do when trying to decipher whatever the heck she is trying to say. But it's entirely possibly she has misinterpreted what TLC has told her.
Shows just how green she is STILL to this whole TV world....she could at least say I know it's a quick turnaround but you're gonna see it in just 2 weeks! She acts like it's perfectly normal to have an episode ready to go in 2 weeks.
@ Just me said....On the upside, I guess all they have to do is take the DVDs in with them to the therapists office for documentation that they really did go through all the crazy stuff they say happened to them :(
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And to a lawyer to get Khate to pay the therapist.
Oh geesh, let me try this again...
On a recent episode of the show "Leverage", where the "job" was to get the bad guy by sucking him in with fame and fortune, a "good" character said to another "We all know that Fame is a monster and you want to poke it with a stick?!"
Well, I'm sure you all got the idea. Going to look for that Strunk and White's now...THIS is why I stay clear of twitter...
Hippie Chick. OMG let me apologize. What I wrote was a disconnect from what I was trying to articulate. Sometimes I have trouble putting into words what I am trying to say - sorry and the post I wrote was wrong. Again, sorry. I was simply trying to say what the hippies then vs the 'hippies' now.
Make Love, Not War said."
Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries,
I am from Nova Scotia. The word Bluenoser is from, I would guess, the 1700s. Not sure why but that is what we are called by the rest of Canada. I have never heard of your air squadron or why they are called Bluenosers.
Again, HC, sorry if I offended you. Sometimes I get passionate about (stupid) subjects and shoot from the hip rather than the brain.
Cheers all
Re: The article by Naughty Rob -
My knowledge on how Kate got pregnant with the tups is kind of sketchy, although I read that she claimed to have PCOS, took an ovarian stimulant and then conceived against the advice of the physician.
A tweeter twitted:
Kayte didn't have fertility treatments. She was given the drug Clomid. LOL
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As far as I know, Clomiphrene is a fertility drug, so why would this person say that Kate didn't have fertility treatments? If it's not a fertility drug, then what is it?
Jane said... These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
HBICofDivas
@JensOpinion @10dicks No, I'm not dumb. U R! # dumbass #liar
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More important question: are these twats old enough to be buying the products advertised on the commercials?
If we assume these seemingly uneducated, no class idiots are just what they seem, how would they have jobs that give them the income to buy advertised products????
Sure hope companies aren't relying on her 'twitter followers' to be a demographic with money.......
A basic business concept - oh wait, kart doesn't have any business sense..........
If we assume these seemingly uneducated, no class idiots are just what they seem, how would they have jobs that give them the income to buy advertised products????
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They married rich sugar daddies?
BORING! My family is about to take a vacation together, and that will be much more interesting than watching film of a bunch of somebody else's kids on vacation.
I am so looking forward to relaxing on a beach with a pile of books. I just recently discovered TIM DORSEY! timdorsey.com and his novels set in Florida starring SERGE! He's just like Dexter except unemployed and happily unmedicated for his mental health issues and hilarious and much more enthusiastic about murder of the deserving! Plus you get loads of Florida history and tour guides! The Fugitive Tour! The Medication, Schmedication Tour! I feel like I have just discovered a new best friend in Serge and his perpetually stoned sidekick Coleman. Don't watch TV, it is summer, lay outside and read a good book! I highly recommend Atomic Lobster or Nuclear Jellyfish or Gator A-Go-Go or Electric Barracuda. (I am going to go back and start at the beginning of the Serge novels, but these I have read and laughed thru.) Electric Barracuda has me planning my next Florida road trip - Shark Valley! Tamiami Trail! Al Capone! Marjory Stoneman Douglas! (Serge made his own action figure of her with red eyes so she can shoot laser beams at would-be Everglades developers!) Let's go!
Ms. Kreider's Florida trip with air boat rides and shrieking about alligators was exceptionally boring. These novels illuminate Florida in a whole new way! Plus Serge has tips on how to avoid being murdered on your vacation, always helpful to know! Does Ms. kreider include any useful information like THAT? I think NOT!
If I wanted to know what it is like at a place I would like to go for a vacation I would be on the internet looking for articles, blogs, etc., library for books and videos, and possibly TV- travel channel type shows. I surely would NOT want to watch chopped up scripted pieces interspersed with her babbling or the kids rolling around on the couch.
They do have a supportive Dad! That counts for something.
I have worked extensively with troubled families in family law, kids are amazingly resilient. By no means does this mean it's okay to put a kid through crap like this because they will be fine, but it's remarkable the way kids dust themselves up and keep going with a little therapy and support. We often lose that kind of perseverance as adults.
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I could not agree more. Having at least 1 'stable' parent in the life a child can do wonders of their ability to rehabilitate from the mental (and physical) abuse of another parent. My husband's mother is a narcissist and could be Kate's twin, but my husband's father was a somewhat stabilizing force in his life and that helped him see the difference between what was 'normal' and what was not. I think otherwise, he would have believed that his mother's behavior was perfectly normal and that all people behaved this way.
I feel for those kids. They will likely need a lot of therapy to untangle the mess that was their childhood and try and understand why their mother is the way she is. It's a tragedy having a parent (or friend, other family member) who has NPD. It's maddening. I always, always advise anyone who has dealings with a narcissist to distance yourself as much as possible from them. They bring zero value to your life and will only cause chaos and pain in your life. This would include parents, children, friends....anyone who is a narcissist or you suspect is one, get a good amount of distance between you and them. It's sad that it has to be that way, but it really is in your best interest. I know a lot of people will say "she's your mother (or daughter, son, father) - how can you just shut them out?" - because they are abusive and destructive and you are protecting yourself from them. Just because you are related to them means nothing when you are shielding yourself from their madness.
Extreme? Yes. Necessary? Absolutely!
Bluenoser (eyes cast down) said... Hippie Chick. OMG let me apologize. What I wrote was a disconnect from what I was trying to articulate. Sometimes I have trouble putting into words what I am trying to say - sorry and the post I wrote was wrong. Again, sorry. I was simply trying to say what the hippies then vs the 'hippies' now.
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You are to be commended for your gracious post. Beautifully worded in my humble opinion. Katie Irene and her sheeple could learn a thing or two right here about graciousness in just a few sentences.
Ingrid... can you imagine planning vacations around Kate's vacation shows? LOL One fan did say she uses the shows to plan family vacations. What?? LOL
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Bluenoser that was a very nice post to Hippie Chick.
Warmth Of The Sun said... Re: The article by Naughty Rob -
My knowledge on how Kate got pregnant with the tups is kind of sketchy, although I read that she claimed to have PCOS, took an ovarian stimulant and then conceived against the advice of the physician.
A tweeter twitted:
Kayte didn't have fertility treatments. She was given the drug Clomid. LOL
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As far as I know, Clomiphrene is a fertility drug, so why would this person say that Kate didn't have fertility treatments? If it's not a fertility drug, then what is it?
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From Kate's account of events combined with info from family members, it seems Kate went for another round of fertility treatments after getting Jon to cave in (he was happy with two) Kate wanted to know what it would be like to have "just one" baby at a time. Hmmmmmmm..... but according to Kate she had this chance in the form of a Korean newborn boy who became available for adoption. She took a pass.
She took the Clomid and during one cycle her ovaries were overstimulated, releasing many eggs. She was hospitalized but for what reason I don't recall. Supposedly this is standard procedure to prevent the couple from "doing the deed" and fertilizing the numerous eggs. It looks like the deed was done hence the 7 ~seperate~ fertilized eggs, one that was re-absorbed. Of course we will never know what happened for sure but this seems to be the most plausible explanation. I don't think any competent OB/GYN would inseminate (IUI) a woman with overstimulated ovaries, and it sounds like her Dr. did write that cycle off. Many have suggested that Kate was allowed to leave the hospital with the guarantee she wouldn't have sex and the Dr. agreed with it, assured by her position as a medical professional that she was well aware of the consequences and risks. Again, only Kate and Jon truly know what happened. But all signs point to Kate manipulating her physician to get the HOM pregnancy and children she knew she would use to grift for fame and fortune. And she has the nerve to show up on HuffPost and warn people to be veerrry, veerrry, careful when going for fertility treatments... beware!!.... be veerrry sure about what you're getting into. Bitch please! All signs point to her doctor taking a responsible approach to her treatment and taking steps to avoid a HOM pregnancy, it's not his fault if she did the opposite of what she was told.
I realize fans would think this is the children's chance to see new places and have fun. What they do not realize is the children are playing for the cameras at this point (they are an exhibit - they have lived their lives like this and know nothing else)I am not sure others realize the time involved -- all day with a camera at them and a microphone hanging over them. It is hours and hours and hours to get massive amounts of footage and only a small portion is used. The 6 have had to put up with this since they were born, they do not know how to be . . . . kids. Jon, an adult, got sick of this. Kate, an adult freaks out when she thinks people are looking at her but this says to her fans this has no effects on the children . . they are just having fun. I hope the children will know one day that there were people who thought this was wrong.
Thanks, wayward, for the explanation in detail. So, Clomid IS used as a fertility drug and she did have fertility treatments, which makes me wonder why the tweeter said that "she didn't have fertility treatments. She was given the drug Clomid." This wasn't from a sheeple, but from a "hater."
westbrooke, your post and many others about Kate's defense that the kids are having fun brought back a memory for me. I was about 6-7 and my dad took me with him to New Jersey from NM (apparently to garner sympathy and squeeze more $$$ out of his rich uncle, which is what happened). All I remember is having to pick which seat to sit in, which was hard, because the center seat had a smiley face on the head protector but I wanted to look out the window. (It was the 70s and my dad told me that TWA meant teeny weeny airlines, LOL!) My aunt was appalled that I had no robe so we got a little terry cloth coverup in Cape May for me to wear. She was mad that my hair was always tangled and was pretty rough combing it out. Then I had the seat decision to make on the way home! That is all I remember! My aunt was a kindergarten teacher and we did some crafts and she sent me home with some books, but I only know that because my mom still has the crafts and I read those books until they fell apart. These kids are too young and will not remember any of this stuff. Heck, my brother had a bone disease and had his hip broken and reset at 5 and mercifully, he doesn't remember any of that either! Well, at least the kids can watch their episodes...........sad.
In reference to the article in the Huffington Post by Naughty Rob-
So in essence, what is Kate saying?
I agree, every life is precious- but didn't she knowingly cause her overly populated, and very dangerous pregnancy? Is she claiming that she had no idea that having sex with hyper stimulated ovaries would cause multiples?
Is she saying that her doctors did not warn her beforehand? Is she claiming innocence?
What is she saying- that she is THAT STUPID?
Of course she knew exactly what she was doing.
You don't take a specific drug, and not know the possible dangers. I'm sure her doctor, and nurses in the hospital explained the do's and don'ts. Kate simply did what she wanted.
I find her insincere warning a slap in the face to the doctors & nurses that did not turn their backs on her unethically dangerous decision. And of all people, she should be the last one dispensing advice on anything having to do with infertility.
If she was offering advice on how to fool people, or how to be a spinning b*tch on wheels.... well, that would be a different story.
Keep opening that stupid mouth, Kate. Your past is going to take you to task, and hold you publically responsible.
My God. She's really is incapable of speaking earnestly.
Warmth of the Sun,
You are assuming the twitter/sheeple/hater "knows" what they are talking about!
It's my experience that many, many folks on the internet don't a clue what they are talking about!!!!!!
So many of us want to believe that people are good, smart, moral and honorable, but on the internet where everything is cloaked in anonymity, a lot of what is said is wrong, mean, libelous, innocently incorrect and on-purpose deceiving.
For those of us in the medical profession or those who have had difficulty getting pregnant, the word Clomid brings immediately to mind 'first step' fertility treatment.
It could be, giving that person the benefit of the doubt, that they consider ONLY treatments like IUI, IVF, etc a 'fertility treatment' and don't know there are medications tried before and with those procedures.
Or..... the person could just be an idiot.....
PJ's momma said, These kids are too young and will not remember any of this stuff.
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I guess we are a family with really good memories! We took our son, then seven on a trip south, making historic stops along the way, and he's now in his late teens. I recently asked him what he remembered from the trip. I was astounded when he recounted the places in detail, all the way down to the striped comforters on the beds in one of the hotels and a crack in one of the steps of the monument. He remembered waitresses names, and much of the history of the places - in fact, so much that he's really shown an interest in American history (right now he's watching videos of the Kennedy era).
When I was in Kindergarten and a few years thereafter, we took road trips, and I can remember places we saw, things we learned, souvenirs we bought, and how the rough blades of grass felt beneath my feet. I remember describing things to my mother, and her saying, "How in the world did you remember that?"
By the way, I broke my arm when I had just turned six, and I remember every vivid detail, right down to the smell of the soap in the doctor's office, to the kind of chair he was sitting in when he "set" my arm (and how good it felt when the bones were back in place)! I even remember what was written on the coffee mug in his office. Guess I'm just a little bit weird!
I suppose it all depends on how "into" it we are. The mind is a strange things - selective with some memories; vivid with others. The Gosselins aren't going to remember the ski trip, maybe not much of Disney or Hawaii, but certainly at age six and seven, they will remember BHI and the trip out West. This, of course, means that they will also remember that they were not playing for the cameras, but will remember being followed around by the crew and forced to do re-shoots. Not a good thing to store in one's memory banks.
Pink, you really hit the nail on the head with,
"a spinning b*tch on wheels"
What an accurate description of kHate!
thanks for that!
Julianna - I think you are younger than me and my siblings! The memories fade as you get older. I remember specifics of a lot of things, but not too many of each of them. Especially when there was/is so much going on! These kids are shuttled from one over-stimulating activity to another. They hardly get any down time. They have done more than most kids do their entire childhoods. Mostly, I feel sorry for them for the fact that 'real' life is going to be a 'real' letdown......when the trips stop, the first-class and free everything stops, etc.
Too bad K and gang weren't at the NC beach STAYING FOR FREE this week or last. 100 degrees plus or minus and heat index 102 plus, plus, plus. Can't ya just see and hear her fussing about how hot and sticky the weather is and demanding someone fix it so she isn't inconvenienced, AND demanding a refund?
Question: does any other tweeter state the number of followers like she does?
I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students. I remember how I loved the new supplies, the book satchel, and the new clothes. I remember the little slips (yes we wore slips back then) and some of my favorite dresses. My favorites were the one my mother made, baby dolls, with rick rack trim. I remember my fear of the big slide that I fell off of, looking up to a sea of faces staring down at me when I hit the ground. I loved it when the teacher wrote on the chalkboard, especially with new chalk. Yellow was my favorite. It was harder than the white. I remember a chosen few would get to go out periodically and clean the erasers. I loved first grade. My teacher was old and had white hair, wire rim glasses, and a soft voice with just a bit of tremulous but we all loved her and she taught us well. Yes, by age 6, memory is intact.
wayward said..."From Kate's account of events..."
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Thanks for that post Wayward, that's the story as I understand it too... but I think that should read "From Kate's rolodex of lies..." :o)
I think she set Jon AND the Doc up.
I think one of the worst things Kate has done in reference to the fertility treatments, which she obviously used to get exactly what she wanted (six kids at once) is to tell millions that she cried when she found out she was preggers with 6. That she was angry and it was the worst thing that could have happened. Imagine how her kids must feel hearing that? Not to even go into the fact that it's a bold faced LIE. The six hear they weren't wanted, yet then they will eventually find out that that was exactly what their mother's plan was. Very confusing. And Mady and Cara have to be reminded day after day that they weren't enough, because they were "only" twins. At least they were girls. Can you imagine what Kate would be like if the twins had been boys?
Bluenoser...
It's all good. No harm done. :) Water under the bridge!
~Hippie Chick~
Wayward - not in defense of Kate but just to share info, my understanding was that Jon agreed to try four cycles of IUI. The first two didn't take. On the third they went in, were told there were (I believe - I'd have to double check) 3-4 follicles which is what you want for an IUI round. She was inseminated and shortly afterwards was hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries. From my reading, the overstimulation can happen at any point in the cycle.
So it is possible that the initial ultrasound showed four follicles, she was inseminated (and probably doing the deed at home because, again based on my understanding, that actually is encouraged to increase your odds of conceiving) and during that time she produced three more follicles. Then she was hospitalized but by then it was a moot point. It's not beyond the realm
of possibility that all that happened within the first month of conception.
The real question for me at least was why she was allowed to start IUI so quickly. I know she said she just had a feeling she wouldn't be able to conceive and was diagnosed with PCOS shortly after her marriage. Is it common to move right to IUI after such a diagnosis or do they still ask you to try for a year before moving on to assisted reproductive techniques.
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Yes, by age 6, memory is intact.
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Yes, it is, but WHAT is retained depends on a great many things, and also the circumstances. Memory works best when people - children OR adults - are not under stress. Stress makes it difficult to retain experiences, and, under most circumstances, it's the negative memories that print most vividly.
The Gosselin children might retain a great deal of their travels if they were operating from a strong foundation, experiencing these new things with a supportive, loving parent.
Each trip would have more meaning if it the relationships - between parent and child, between children, with others they interact with - were positive and valued. That is clearly not the case here.
Also, laying a foundation and preparing a context for travel makes a huge difference in what a young child remembers, too. That isn't happening here, either.
Intentionally refusing to tell children where they will be traveling, refusing to provide a cultural or geographic context, demeaning the people they meet (calling someone "Mr. Tour Guide", for example, instead of respecting that person and his role), and ensuring that the children can NEVER forget that their first obligation is to perform properly for the cameras will effect these children's experiences and their memories of them, and not for the better.
The job of the Gosselin children is NOT to travel and be enriched by their experiences. Their JOB is to continue to provide their mother with the lifestyle she prefers. Everything they do, and they retain, from these trips will always be colored by that awareness.
Thinking as people talk about the old J&K - remembering when they began to require "first class" airfare for speaking engagements.
These are just a few personal, uh, observations on "first class" commercial airline travel (which I have taken the upgrade on occasion at the $40 upcharge, never would waste points, let alone pay full price or let a client do so either, just a waste):
1.In airliners where all passengers enter by the cockpit, first class passenger in the aisle seat get smacked up the side of the head by shoulder bag/laptop case/purses/shopping bags slung over the shoulder of the person dragging his/her "carry-on" down that too narrow aisle just like passenger in economy/coach aise seat.
2. Different menu or "snacks", still crappy.
3. First class doesn't arrive at the destination any faster than any other class.
4. If the plane goes down first class goes down along with economy/coach - in a nose dive first class hits, well, first. (OK, that was morbid.)
I'm NO fan of commercial airline travel, at all, any class. Had way too many horrible experiences with the airlines. ;)
However, I'm all for the private jet - never been on one of those, but that's got to be the way to travel.
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I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students.
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Funny you should mention that. I recently found a class photo (31 kids) from First Grade. I had not thought about any of those kids for quite some time. I was able to identify each of them by name, recalling what they ate for lunch, their favorite playground game, etc. I even remember that the right buckle of my bookbag never seemed to stay closed. I can even look at photos of me at age 4 and remember the fabric of the dresses, the smell of the new leather shoes, and how my socks kept slipping down into the back of them. I can remember milk machines (five cents) and the "taste" of the wax on those little cartons. And, I remember all of the trips we took. Of course, when I woke up this morning, it took me awhile to remember that I had a car appointment for this afternoon! Why is that?
Oh, and I am no spring chicken. I'm a grandmom who spent her college years as an original hippie!
I'm afraid the Gosselin kids might remember their mother's meltdown on the trip to Utah, her screaming "she's ruined" at Disney, and shoving ice cream into one of the boys' faces in NYC.
I remember the line from "An Affair To Remember: - "Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories." I hope that in the future, the Gosselin kids at least have enough pleasant memories to warm their hearts.
Why do people even speak about how their children were conceived? Isn't that such personal information that we just don't need to know? Those poor kids will be teased and embarrassed their entire lives. The money will probably dry up, and their only consolation will be old DVD's of their one time successful TLC program. Kate should have pulled the plug years ago. This will not end well. High class just doesn't exist in the Gosselin world, does it? As Grandma used to say, "You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." Got that, Kate and TLC?
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silimom said: ...."silimom said... Wayward - not in defense of Kate but just to share info, my understanding was that Jon agreed to try four cycles of IUI. The first two didn't take. On the third they went in, were told there were (I believe - I'd have to double check) 3-4 follicles which is what you want for an IUI round. She was inseminated and shortly afterwards was hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries. From my reading, the overstimulation can happen at any point in the cycle."
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You are right, at the end of the day it all comes down to this- why was she getting fertility treatments so soon anyway!? The only plausible explanation I've ever heard of was that her connections as a nurse may have given her some pull and the ability to move things along much faster. Although just about everything Kate does irritates the crap out of me, this has always been a real sore spot because I know someone who truly has PCOS and struggled for 5 years to have a baby. She had several miscarriages and went through hell until she finally gave birth to her healthy baby. Kate's story of how those tups came to be just doesn't pass the smell test.
Unfortunately for the Tups, one Zoo, beach, hill/mountain, grass, building etc, will look to them as the same. Doing a simple thing like going to the local carnival, festival, local water parks, the park, riding my bike or even going to the librarys/Jr College kids programs, would be more memorable, than some big elaborate trip(Kate is fulfilling her travel wishes, not caring if the kids like or remember the trip, as for memory, she will make them watch K8). When I was between 4-7, my brother(who was 8 years older) would take me downtown, we got on the bus, then took the subway into downtown Chicago. I also remembered going over to other peoples houses and playing with their kids and having a wonderful time. When I started to go on big trips is when I was around 12, those trips I do remember well, and loved the history, scenery, buying the tourist stuff. That is one thing I see Kate not really letting the kids choose what nic-nacks tourist stuff to buy, she chooses. That takes the fun out of trips. Granted there is a limit to how much tourist stuff to get, but the point being you got to pick it out not mom or dad. I'm sure the kids will remember most of Yellowstone, if mom does not have a meltdown. If mom meltsdown or complains too much, the kids will write this trip off as bad and not remember much, as someone here said. If a trip is enjoyable, everyone remembers it very well. One of my many California trips(to see James Marsters)was a trip from HELL. My plane was late/delayed, got nailed at security, I got in a car accident, could not get another rental for a couple of hours, got sick on a drink, almost missed my plane coming home, cause of railroad crossing and till this day I can not remember what the rest of the trip was about. I only remember the bad stuff that happened. Kate kids will be the same way. They will ask Kate if they had a good time, then Kate will pull out the episode and show them. If you can't remember it, you must of had a bad time or were too young.
So sick said..."Doing a simple thing like going to the local carnival, festival, local water parks, the park, riding my bike or even going to the librarys/Jr College kids programs, would be more memorable, than some big elaborate trip..."
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Are you sure about that? I would think that if each trip got bigger and better, and hyped by her mom and TLC, that an ordinary trip to a carnival would be a big yawner for them. They've gotten used to the VIP treatment - having lunchrooms reserved just for them, getting to the head of the line at amusement parks, running the bases at a ballgame, having backstage access at theatrical productions. It's called entitlement. I can't see them standing in line waiting patiently to go on a ride at an amusement park, like common folk. They've never done that...wouldn't they wonder why they have to do it now? Go to the Hershey Zoo after they've seen Mr. Kiwi Man and spent time with the Irwins and the crocs? Quite a comedown, I would think.
"My plane was late/delayed, got nailed at security, I got in a car accident, could not get another rental for a couple of hours, got sick on a drink, almost missed my plane coming home, cause of railroad crossing and till this day I can not remember what the rest of the trip was about"
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Ouch! But was your plane ever struck by lightning, landing gear wouldn't go down and the plane had to land on a foamed runway and you had to exit by sliding down a chute? Trust me - that's something you would remember!
Grammy of nine said... Why do people even speak about how their children were conceived? Isn't that such personal information that we just don't need to know?
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I agree. As the mother of triplets, it is amazing how many times I have been asked how I came about having them. What procedures I used and other personal information that I can't believe a perfect stranger is asking me. It's no ones business, but the two involved.
Of course this excludes Jon and Kate who made a living off of having mutiples. They threw their privacy of such matters out the window when deciding to exploit thier multiples for their entire life on TV.
If Kate had such a severe case of PCOS and was so unable to become pregnant without fertility treatments, why did Jon get a vasectomy? Or at least I swear I remember reading he did.
I've never been able to understand how Kate managed to get fertility treatments so quickly, either. A good friend of mine has PCOS, diagnosed when she was 13 (one of the cysts ruptured and she needed emergency surgery). Before she got married, she and her then fiance met with her OB/GYN to discuss fertility issues, etc. because they both wanted kids. She was told to try for 6 months (she was 34 at the time) and, if unsuccessful, to come back and discuss their options. Fortunately, she didn't need to, as she got pregnant in about 5 months and had 2 more children later, all without requiring medical intervention. Kate was only 22, so there was no rush for her to get pregnant, except in her own mind, and I suspect that a good bit of that was because she wanted to make sure Jon was tied down.
readerlady
Kate was only 22, so there was no rush for her to get pregnant, except in her own mind, and I suspect that a good bit of that was because she wanted to make sure Jon was tied down.
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Not to be nit-picky, but she must have been 24-25 when she got pregnant with the twins.
Oops, scratch that. My math skills went out the window for a minute.
Affair to remember, so glad you have those memories too. Love that saying, wrote that one down.
Warmth Of The Sun said... Re: The article by Naughty Rob -
My knowledge on how Kate got pregnant with the tups is kind of sketchy, although I read that she claimed to have PCOS, took an ovarian stimulant and then conceived against the advice of the physician.
Well what totally surprises me is Kate hasn't come up with the immaculate conception version yet.
Thanks, HC. Much appreciated!
When I go 'on vacation' it is either to Newfoundland to fish and, oh what a wonderful Province) ir to our cabin in the woods. Surrounded by a hundred acres of 100 year old trees. Heaven on earth.
OT google Gros Morne National Park to get an idea of the majectic beauty. Kate Gosselin you should NOT visit BTW
Yes, Memory, I agree. It just saddens me and cannot bear to watch.
Gimme/Gimme Gimme (both are in my dropdown),
@ nit picker - You're right. Kate was 22 when she met Jon (I knew 22 figured in there somewhere), and they got married about 2 years later. She just turned 36 and the twins will be 11 in October, so she was 25 when they were born. Put it down to my sorely lacking math skills and a melted brain from the heat LOL. Thanks for setting the record straight.
readerlady
If a trip is enjoyable, everyone remembers it very well. One of my many California trips(to see James Marsters)was a trip from HELL. My plane was late/delayed, got nailed at security, I got in a car accident, could not get another rental for a couple of hours, got sick on a drink, almost missed my plane coming home, cause of railroad crossing and till this day I can not remember what the rest of the trip was about. I only remember the bad stuff that happened.
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I'm confused. You completely contradicted yourself. You said if a trip is enjoyable, everyone remembers...then said you only remember the bad stuff on your own trip.
Could u clarify? Thanx.
To me it's not so much will a kid remember a trip (it depends, I remember some things from when I was 3 vividly, others I have no recollection of), but rather how much can they really appreciate it at such a young age? This traveling most certainly has the feel of "just cart the kids into whatever stressful place/situation we can dream up and film it" rather than anyone being seriously interested in giving the kids a great travel experience. A trip to Australia might have been infinitely more meaningful had the kids been a little older.
We have friends in England and my parents could have sent me out there whenever, they chose to wait until I was 16. Even at the time I remember thinking I'm so glad I'm "older" (when you're 16 you feel ancient!) and can appreciate this--the history, the food, the people, I took it all in. I was about to take AP European History and it made that next year in school so great since I had seen so many of the places I was studying. Had I gone when I was 6 I doubt it would have been the same trip.
Oh dear, Kate tweets, "Movin, movin, moving" and some of her tweeties ask if she's moving out of her big house.
Taking the spotlight away from Khate for a sec please... You all may know this already, but George & Cindy Anthony are about to run another scam. Please check out the site below. It tells where C & G took 80% of donations. Please! don't give them a dime. The Feds have decided once and for all NOT to prosecute them for perjury. Google STATEMENT ANALYSIS.
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/07/cindygeorge-anthony-take-up-to-80-of-foundation-donation-money/
Sorry, I guess I opened a can of worms about memory. I just meant that these kids do SO much, all the time, and it's always over the top, it will jumble together. Of course we all have memories. I can remember being in kindergarten and painfully shy and it was close to Easter and Mrs. Ivey asked what game we should play and I whispered "a tisket, a tasket (a green and yellow basket, I wrote a letter to my mother and on the way I lost it, lost it)" and she did not hear me but the kid next to me did and shouted it out and Mrs. Ivey was so impressed and I wanted to throttle that gloating kid! (The next year, that kid forgot to wear green on St. Paddy's Day and I got my revenge during the pinching party!) I remember how that year Santa brought me 'that' doll housed in a picture frame that I wanted so badly in the BenFranklin store, to the Christmas party. Santa was real - he DID read my letter! I remember my dad filling us up with blueberry pancakes before a twisting road trip and the smell in my nose for days after I puked through my nose. I remember many, many things too, from throughout childhood, but I had a normal life. These kids have anything but that. And it's Kate's desires being fulfilled, not theirs. Remember when they did each kid's special day? That's the stuff memories are made of! Even the Palin camping trip could have created hundreds of memories among them, but they will probably just remember that their mom made them leave....
Thanks to all for the enlightening and interesting discussion on fertility issues and treatments. I have never faced these problems myself so I appreciate everyone's facts and opinions.
To me in the long run it doesnt matter one bit how someone like Katie got pregnant twice. What matters now is that she is a neglectful, abusive, mentally ill, vicious mother. She may think she is an organized and tough careTAKER and bill-payer, but that is not the same as being a parent and raising a child. As we all know.
Pregnancies, wanted or otherwise, are one matter. Growing up your whole life being shown and told over and over and over every day and in public that you are NOTHING but source of stress and exhaustion and you never ever meet your mother's 'standards', is what is destroying these eight people as human individuals.
~ Especially when your mother uses her disdain for you as the source to meet her need for intense attention. THAT part is what scares me for these kids. Kate will escalate her public disdain for her kids for continuing media attention - she cant live without it and the kids are all she has to use.
Twitmommy says you just never know where they'll pop up and that certainly seems to be the case as there just doesn't seem to be any paps left to follow and photograph them. Even ordinary folk don't seem to be having any Gosselin sightings. Which begs the question, just how long now have they all been cooped up in buses, RV's, what have you? Guess Dad won't be having his visitation with the kids, since filming is so much more important. And here we were, all worried that these kids had nothing to do all summer except play in their pool - silly us.
I was just checking facebook to see if there were any facebook sightings today (nope, nada, lol!), and I came across this poor tweeple who posted her love of Kate as a status update.
Said the tweeple: "I dont care what anyone says Kate Gosselin is an inspiring wonderful mother and woman.4get wat u see in the magazines if u watch the EPisodes she is a constant worker and thnks abt her famly unconditionally.im proud 2 live in the same state as her and id love 2 hear her speak.her main focus is her kids and u c that in the show.if u were offered a makeover aftr ur pregnancy ud take it 2."
What happened next was rather amusing. Her friends put her in her place with the following comments:
" i dont want to rain on your parade. Ive never seen the show, but i have it on good authority from several people that work at Hershey Med that she is a terrible mother, and anything but a good person. Some of those people were older, christian women that I've never heard speak bad about anyone."
and "but you only see what they show you on tv. these people know her in real life."
"Her, just like the others one all these reality shows, are just exploiting their kids to get money...look at octomom and how people were dumb enough to send her money and gifts..."
It's reasuring that tweeple have rational grounded friends who call it like it is and gently guide them in the right direction.
The tweeple took it really well actually. When it's a "hater" correcting them we're haters and they call our employers to try to get us fired. When it's family members and friends they tell them thank you.
Confused: Yes, that one trip, was all I remembered of it was all the bad stuff that happened, I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember. I remember the car accident real well and the jerk who hit my rental. My other trips to California, I had a wonderful time, we went to the Tar pits, shopping, went to Universal Studios, went in the ocean. What I'm sayin is the Tups won't remember much cause of Kate, all Kate has to do is have a meltdown, that is what the kids will remember about their trips. Mommy being a jerk. Not hey we saw this or saw that. Something tramantic is something people will remember first, before they remember something happy or fun. For example: You go to a great concert, during the concert the stage falls down, what are you gonna remember first: not how great the performance was up until the stage fell, but the stage falling. People running, panic etc, not the performance. If no stage fell: the concert was great, we danced, sang along etc. That is how most people remember things, they are good or they are bad, or a combo of good and bad. Children mostly remember it as good or bad, not both. Maybe one kid will have a good time, the other kid had a lousy time cause they got sick. There are a million reasons, no 2 people see one trip the same way.
This is for Hippie Chick. I was in Chicago in 1968 during the Democratic convention, worked at the veterans' hospital with the US Marine Amputees. I protested. I was a nurse in the US Marine Corp. I did not wear my uniform after I returned from VN and to this day, have not. But I do remember the Hippie Generation quite well, the long dresses, the long hair, the earth shoes and the throwing of garbage at me and my fellow US Marines.
I hope you were not one of those. I arrived in SFO after VN and had eggs thrown on me, hair and uniform, I wore that uniform home to PHL, I did not clean my hair or my uniform, as I wanted the Hippie students who were flying at a student rate (in those days they had that type of discount. May you not be one of those people who profess to be concerned about the earth, the phylosophy is often not practiced as I also was in a wheel chair as I had lost my right leg in VN and the hippie chicks who threw those eggs did not care about my being on the way to the PHL Naval Hospital for further treatment and a prosthetic leg.
May you, Hippie Chick, really not be as angry all your life.
Kate Gosselin is not a great woman/nice woman/generous mother. She is what she is, a grifter, that is true. Her children will suffer because of her for their entire lives. That is so very, very sad and for that I write this e mail to your Blog.
May TLC deny her anymore air time. Her children not knowing they were in jackson hole, Wy? How sad, it is a cow boy town and all the horses, the cattle, the cow boys, big and small and the friendliest people around. SD, ND, WY, wherever you travel in this USA, YOU MEET GOOD PEOPLE, KIND PEOPLE and yes, even former Pres Clinton took time to hold my hand one day and talk to me, when he was in a hurry. I have seen him stop and pose for photos with anyone who asks and delays his trips because of his KINDNESS.
Perhaps when Kate is over, those children will understand kindness also and fun and how you don't have to thank you Mom everytime she does something for you, it is a part of motherhood, you give life and you thank your children for brining unconditional love in your life.
Peace & Remember these injured Military coming home, they need help and their families do as well. Kate should do something for them. We are at War or hasn't she told her children.
That is how most people remember things, they are good or they are bad, or a combo of good and bad.
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Is this a sheeple? This person makes no sense. It's all babble.
Yes, that one trip, was all I remembered of it was all the bad stuff that happened, I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember.
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What? You went to see James Marsters and you don't remember seeing him, what you did or if you went to the beach, but you remember the car accident. I can understand that an accident would be difficult to forget, but not remembering if you saw someone -- that I don't understand! If you were old enough to drive a rental car, then you weren't just a child, but an adult, but you don't remember seeing someone?
"You go to a great concert, during the concert the stage falls down, what are you gonna remember first: not how great the performance was up until the stage fell, but the stage falling."
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If I went to a great concert, you better believe that what I would remember, first of all, is the fantastic performance; anything else would be secondary. Of course I'd remember that the stage collapsed, but I'd also remember how much I enjoyed a wonderful performance.
Posted earlier but don't think it made it through the ether. There was a report in the news that 80% of the donations to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation were used by George and Cindy to live on. This is against the LAW! As a non-profit 501(c)(3), all charitable organizations have to file tax returns (Form 990) and show EXACTLY to whom/what the money was given as a charitable donation. Obviously, the recipients of the funds were themselves. Their asses could land in jail for this. This is FRAUD.
Don't forget Caylee folks and all other "Caylee's" out there.
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Now back to the other bitch..
Teresa, I am not positive but I believe if they are considered a director or head person of a non profit they do get a wage for running it? Like the head of United Way gets paid (and others)? It stinks I know but they may be legally doing it.
Sorry...havent been here in a few weeks.So,same ol same old for the kids? Not in school so they are being filmed as much as they can? Kate says the kids say the people taping them...they are family...just like daddys...bla bla bla.
kate is begging her gag...puke..."fans" to get her trips she wants to go on?
Kate is still BEGGING for free stuff...I dont see any thing new.
I have to ask why you look at or follow her tweets? Do you really care? They care (tlc) you are talking about what the wench says.Like the toe licking epi..the ratings went high.It wasent the kate fans that did that...it was the haters.I have yet to see it...BUT i will never see it...I dont give a shit to what she wears...promotes...sells...or begs for.
I care about the kids working to pay for kates lvish lifestyle.
If we can show that the kids are working...and hurting...thta might help
The easy solution is DONT watch...NO ratings will get NO show.
I dont care what the wench does on her OWN...we know its nothing.Give no attention to the show and it will go away.
I dont care about how kates hair looks or her clothes or shoes...who she goes out with or who she holds hands with.Just to hear her voice makes me chringe....I cant imangine what it does to the kids.
DONT watch and she will go away....YEP!!! Its THAT easy.
Teresa...I'm so tired of casey....The bitch got off.She was able to kill her daughter and now she walks free.I do believe in karma and casey will not have a happy ending.The media did nothing for this child killer other than make her face well known.Some nut job will get to her.
I feel for caylee and wish her justice...I'm tired of it.There have been many children killed by thier parents since caylee.None who are getting the attention that this case has gotten.
This shows us that kids have no say...in life OR death.The people who followed this case might just be the people supporting kate. "she tried to be a good mother" "she did what she thought was best for the kids" "she did what she had to to support the kids" ect ect right?
This trip is a long one and in my opinion has to be pretty costly. TLC obviously has enough faith in the show to continue sinking money in it. Either that or Kate has an air tight contract this time around. I just don't get it. The ratings are in a steady decline yet they keep filming the kids to death and spending money on the show.
Lt.Col Catherine M, USMC, retired(30 yrs) said... that she was in the US Marine Corps, but protested during the 1968 convention?
OK, I'm confused . . . BUT let me just say that I'm not the only person who believes that a war can be wrong, but that it is even more wrong to send soldiers to war and then attack them when they return for having done what the country sent them to do.
Like it or not, all of us in this country owe our freedom to the willingness of some of us to fight and/or support our military forces. It's absolutely right to work, and demonstrate, to change policy, but dead wrong to attack those who legally carried out existing policies.
I'm sorry for what you went through, Lt. Col. The way our veterans were treated when they returned from Viet Nam was a disgrace, as it often is still, though in different ways. It's just as wrong now as it was then.
Teresa said
There was a report in the news that 80% of the donations to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation were used by George and Cindy to live on. This is against the LAW! As a non-profit 501(c)(3), all charitable organizations have to file tax returns (Form 990) and show EXACTLY to whom/what the money was given as a charitable donation
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Was this "foundation" actually legally incorporated? They didn't have to become a non-profit in order to solicit funds, or spend them. People can donate to anything, any time. They just can't take the donation off their taxes unless they donate to a legally-incorporated non-profit.
The Anthony may have just accepted donations, like another well-known grifter, with or without incorporating as a non-profit. That's perfectly legal. You can take anything and everything people give you. You just have to pay taxes on the grift. Or gift.
A legal 501 (c) has to report income and expenses like any other corporation. An expense, as Teresa says, can be the salaries for "employees", and the Anthonys could certainly have been those employees.
There's no reason why salaries can't be virtually the entire expense of the foundation, but the people who receive the salaries must pay income tax like anybody else.
As a side note, it's always a good idea to check carefully before you send money to any "foundation" or grifter so that you have a good idea where it's going. Maybe people who sent money to the Caylee fund were perfectly happy to support those parents. I don't know, but I do know that I perform due diligence before handing over cash, and encourage everyone to do likewise.
To Lt. Col. Catherine M. -
May God bless you always.
Thank you for serving our country.
Love,
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We go to the Outer Banks for two weeks every summer with our entire family and the kids love it. THe one thing they cannot stand is the 10 hour drive!!! Which we usually split into 2 days.
Just how long is this "road trip" that Kate has trapped them on? It is coming up to at least 2 weeks at this point. It must be a nightmare. Especially, if Kate is admitting by her tweets that her standards are being compromised.
Do you think TLC did this purposely to her. Set her up in a confined situation so all of her "Kateness" will come out on film and she will cause another big stir like the Palin episode. Then it could really, really be their excuse to say, look we just can't work with you anymore. This is not good TV. (although, when was it) If she couldn't handle one very organized afternoon of camping, in drizzle, then how is she handling actually being with her children, confined to a small space, 24 hours a day. There have probably already been multiple break downs. I believe they are pushing her for more outbursts and meltdowns and this will either lead to canceling the show, or the curious will want to see her suffer and the ratings will go up. Poor, poor kids to be subjected to this.
Yes, and where are all the pap photos Kate?? Not that I want to see any, but you still tweet that they are all over you, everywhere you go. Don't think so.
I love how she can't be bothered to tweet her fans, but keeps asking them to tweet her. What a joke.
I was taken aback by that foundation as well, not because they got part of the money, but because their premise was to give children who became involved with policemen a Caylee bear for comfort. How could any child be comforted by a bear commemorating the demise of a 2-yo child at the hands of her own mother. It was so lame that in fact the police departments refused it. So that 20% must have gone to make up the bears that no one wanted. They should have to reveal it because I am convinced that they both knew she was dead from day one not because of any evidence but because they knew she was capable of that - as in what have you done. So Casey got the ultimate revenge in the end as she had her mother lie for her, so she could come home. But lose her she did even though she walked free, and they will not see their daughter again until she comes crawling home in the dark of the night when all the money is gone. I still feel sorry for them though they themselves will profit as well.
Lt.Col Catherine M, USMC, retired(30 yrs) said... Welcome home. The dispicable actions of some of hippie movement is a shame my generation still suffers from. I wanted the war to end, to bring my brother and friends and you home. Not all the "hippie movement" were the fringe nuts who attacked our own. I am so sorry for your experience. Hippie Chick is too young to be in our generation. But she, of course, can speak for herself.
"Peace & Remember these injured Military coming home, they need help and their families do as well. Kate should do something for them. We are at War or hasn't she told her children."
You are so right. Many people forget our men and woman are still at war. Sending packages, writing letters are so appreciated and welcomed. I seriously doubt Kate has taught her kids anything about current events or what is going on with military. Some of the kids didn't even know who the President was in one episode, not long ago. They could gather the things together that our service people need and send out packages. It doesn't cost that much at all. Or write letters to show our appreciation.
Your sentiments about Kate are absoulutely right. I just pray her kids won't suffer too much because of her need and desire to put HERSELF out front in the media.
Thank you for your post.
Teresa said... Yes, from what I read, there is an investigation into the foundation. Ingrid you are right, the directors normally get a salary. The problem with this foundation is that the entire family is on the board, including Mallory. This is usually not normal, if you check other organizations, they have experts normally on the board. Neutral parties that can guide the operations, and make sure things are on the up and up. Their set up..well stinks. LOL
All the talk about memories.. brings back memories for me too. LOL I still say the kids between 2 to 5 will have a hard time remembering so many of the trips they took. We traveled a LOT when growing up, I was an Army brat. It is mostly a blur. I do remember starting to play with a scorpion in our back yard in Texas, my Mom freakin out. I was 4. Not much else I remember though. Bits and pieces. LOL
An attorney in Los Angeles started a similar bear program for kids in foster care. It was all well and good until some kid chewed on the cheap plastic eyes and choked and nearly died. Now they won't give the bears to kids under five. Which is sort of the age group that wants the bears the most. Ha.
I wonder if Casey has thanked her father yet for letting her accuse him of horrific sexual abuse basically throwing him under the bus confusing the stupid jury (which apparently wasn't hard) and helping her walk free. Or thanked her mother for lying on the stand for her.
Yes, the stuffed animal thing for kids involved in messy situations is not original, and many agencies do accept them gladly. The problem with their foundation, it is based on finding "missing" children. A noble cause, but that was NOT their situation at all. Many feel they are profiting off the death of their grandchild. I would donate in a minute and have to well established agencies who have a proven track record. Their mission is "help" with the media, go the location to "help" the parents, blah blah. Why donate so the Anthony's can travel all over the country? DONATE the money to help real foundations. That is why many people do not want their "help". I can't blame them at all.
ADMIN surely you jest. Casey won't even talk to them. Baez, when asked by their attorney about Casey, simply texted "She is safe". Baez is really overstepping his boundaries as an attorney. Many are questioning his ethics due to his over involvement.
The foundation does smell bad and it's good it's being scrutinized.
New post, kids are in Grand Canyon. Working.
By my count this is day 12 of the working trip. Do the kids get weekends off or do they have to work 12 days straight?
Obviously, the recipients of the funds were themselves. Their asses could land in jail for this. This is FRAUD.
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George and Cindy Anthony will never be prosecuted for anything, and will never land in jail. The state is not prosecuting her for perjury and they won't bring charges against them for fraud. For some reason, they are untouchable.
Who paid for the cruise that they took? Reportedly it was CBS who paid a $20,000 licensing fee for footage and photos of Caylee. Who sells photos of their murdered grandchild so they can take a cruise? Something doesn't pass the smell test there.
Lt. Col Catherine M USMC...
Thank you so much for serving. There are really no words I can say to thank you, & other Veterans (like my dad) that have served this fine Country & allowed us the freedom & everything afforded to us. So thank you once again.
I am not one of those hippies. I volunteer at an organization called Moore*Mart. We deliver packages to troops deployed overseas. There are also things for children in those war torn countries. I just helped with a packing process in June. It was amazing & I got to speak with a couple of guys who have some of their guys overseas. So, no I don't "condone" the war, but I SUPPORT THE TROOPS 100%. They are wonderful, incredible men & women. I hope they can come home soon. check out the website: www.mooremart.org
~Hippie Chick~
PS Can people please STOP PICKING ON ME NOW??? LOL
~Hippie Chick~
JoyInVirginia...
Tim Dorsey...Thanks!! I "Wished Listed" some of them in my Nook!! I need something new to read & can't wait to check it out! I'm a huge fan of Dexter so this should be fun!
So, this trip Kate & the kids are on NOW will be shown in just a short couple of weeks? Sounds kind of strange. Does Kate know anything about what's going on with her show? She HAS messed up before. Maybe this is the series finale!!! "The Gosselins Do America!" *Fingers Crossed*
~Hippie Chick~
I am so jealous of all of you that remember so many memories from long ago (good ones). My VERY first memory is a BAT flying into my room when I was 4 years old & me screaming my head off. Now, I am terrified of bats & every year we go to a field to watch the 4th of July fireworks & there are bats, flying ALL around our heads. This year was particularly bad & I was screaming like a child & everyone in town gave me the name of "Crazy Bat Lady". My best friend & husband thought it was hilarious, but I was so stressed out & hyperventilating. Not funny.
Another fond memory? When my brother dared me to do cartwheels down the stairs. Yep, I did it, & ended up whacking my head on the radiator on the bottom. NOW, I have a major fear of ANYONE hitting their heads. The sound of it, anything. If I see it on TV, I'll have nightmares. It's a major fear. I have good memories as well, but those were my 1st memories. DAMN!!! No, I'm not crazy. :)
~Hippie Chick~
Wait!! WHO was going to see James Marsters????? We must bond NOW!!!
~Hippie Chick~
I am glad they are investigating the foundation then. It does sound fishy.
Teresa said...
Posted earlier but don't think it made it through the ether. There was a report in the news that 80% of the donations to the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation were used by George and Cindy to live on. This is against the LAW! As a non-profit 501(c)(3), all charitable organizations have to file tax returns (Form 990) and show EXACTLY to whom/what the money was given as a charitable donation. Obviously, the recipients of the funds were themselves. Their asses could land in jail for this. This is FRAUD.
Don't forget Caylee folks and all other "Caylee's" out there.
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Now back to the other bitch..
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Before you accuse people of fraud and talk about jail time, it helps to examine the facts in detail.
80% of first year expenses were for administration, not 80% of donations. In actuality, almost 100% of the total donations were used for admin. and the Foundation showed a deficit.
Administrative expenses do not just include salaries. (Not to mention that taking a salary to run a nonprofit is not illegal.) There are legitimate admin. expenses associated with running an organization and it is not unusual for admin. costs to be very high for a start-up organization. They brought in a whopping $2,580.72 in the organization's first year. There are expenses associated with filing the paperwork needed to start a nonprofit; they may have paid an attorney to do the paperwork. The Foundation has a web site; most likely, someone was paid to design it and there are fees associated with maintaining it, etc., etc. Even if one of them did take a salary, they are not living high off the hog thanks to the big bucks rolling into the Foundation. How much do you think was left of that $2,580 after other expenses were paid?
In 2010, the Foundation's revenues were $334.61 and expenses were $1355.19; 45% admin, 55% program. Again, the Foundation ran a deficit.
It may not be an organization having much of an impact, but to accuse the Anthonys of fraud is completely unwarranted.
Confused still: which you still are. I AM NOT A SHEEPLE! never have been, maybe your a sheeple. Most people will remember a trip as being good or bad or in some cases both. I know on that trip I saw James Marsters, but, I was so mad at the things that happened, I could not tell you, what he sang, if there was & Meet & Greet, or anything else. Just like when the Space Shuttle disaster, everyone watch the launch, the excitement of those people going into space, then explosion happened. What will people remember, the explosion, not the happy part/excitement of the launch. Children view things way different than adult do, their attention span it short. If you don't understand what I'm saying, then, I'm not explaining anymore.
Regarding Jon's comment about Kate's parents being
uninvolved with all the grandchildren: not so true. I have seen pictures of them with Sissy Clairissa's son plus Kevin and Jodi's kids, all together at some function. This was on Clairissa's blog which she took down. There was also a picture of Kate's dad holding one of the tups and a pic of Kate's mom with Clairissa's boy on a sofa. (The picture of a chubby-faced "Charlene Kreider" widely reported to be Kate's mom is probably not Kate's mother. Kate's mom has a small angular face and dark hair.)
Kate is checking off more items on her bucket list, but I can't imagine her children will be able to sort out and remember all these trips in the past 6 months: Historical Philly, Australia, New Zealand, Tennessee, Maryland, and many of the big sites in several states of the Western US! Maybe the twins will, but I doubt the younger kids will retain it.
It's probably all a blur, and I'll bet they're tired, too. At least they're not back home sweltering in the PA heat wave. I guess that's a good thing.
Nancy said...
Regarding Jon's comment about Kate's parents being
uninvolved with all the grandchildren: not so true. I have seen pictures of them with Sissy Clairissa's son plus Kevin and Jodi's kids, all together at some function.
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What will people remember, the explosion, not the happy part/excitement of the launch.
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I remember the happy part. In fact, when I hear mention of it, I see Christa McAuliffe and her six fellow astronauts all smiling as they walked out of the building to the shuttle.
Of course everyone remembers the tragedy, but that doesn't mean that they forget the excitement of the pre-launch and how happy one American school teacher was to be chosen to be part of this mission in space.
So sick - you said "I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember."
"of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach I DON'T REMEMBER. "Confused still" may still be confused because you stated that "of seeing him...I don't remember." It was awkwardly worded.
In the long run, however, we don't know what happy memories the kids will have of these trips, or if they will all be pleasant ones. In fact, their shrieking mom's meltdowns may be suppressed. The problem is - there is good, but there is also the bad and the ugly recorded for all of them to see one day.
Lt.Col Catherine M, USMC, retired(30 yrs) said... that she was in the US Marine Corps, but protested during the 1968 convention?
OK, I'm confused . . . BUT let me just say that I'm not the only person who believes that a war can be wrong, but that it is even more wrong to send soldiers to war and then attack them when they return for having done what the country sent them to do.
Like it or not, all of us in this country owe our freedom to the willingness of some of us to fight and/or support our military forces. It's absolutely right to work, and demonstrate, to change policy, but dead wrong to attack those who legally carried out existing policies.
I'm sorry for what you went through, Lt. Col. The way our veterans were treated when they returned from Viet Nam was a disgrace, as it often is still, though in different ways. It's just as wrong now as it was then.
Yes, that one trip, was all I remembered of it was all the bad stuff that happened, I knew I went to see James Marsters, of seeing him, the sights, where we ate, did we go to the beach, I don't remember.
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What? You went to see James Marsters and you don't remember seeing him, what you did or if you went to the beach, but you remember the car accident. I can understand that an accident would be difficult to forget, but not remembering if you saw someone -- that I don't understand! If you were old enough to drive a rental car, then you weren't just a child, but an adult, but you don't remember seeing someone?
"You go to a great concert, during the concert the stage falls down, what are you gonna remember first: not how great the performance was up until the stage fell, but the stage falling."
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If I went to a great concert, you better believe that what I would remember, first of all, is the fantastic performance; anything else would be secondary. Of course I'd remember that the stage collapsed, but I'd also remember how much I enjoyed a wonderful performance.
@ nit picker - You're right. Kate was 22 when she met Jon (I knew 22 figured in there somewhere), and they got married about 2 years later. She just turned 36 and the twins will be 11 in October, so she was 25 when they were born. Put it down to my sorely lacking math skills and a melted brain from the heat LOL. Thanks for setting the record straight.
readerlady
Affair to remember, so glad you have those memories too. Love that saying, wrote that one down.
Gimme said...
I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students.
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Funny you should mention that. I recently found a class photo (31 kids) from First Grade. I had not thought about any of those kids for quite some time. I was able to identify each of them by name, recalling what they ate for lunch, their favorite playground game, etc. I even remember that the right buckle of my bookbag never seemed to stay closed. I can even look at photos of me at age 4 and remember the fabric of the dresses, the smell of the new leather shoes, and how my socks kept slipping down into the back of them. I can remember milk machines (five cents) and the "taste" of the wax on those little cartons. And, I remember all of the trips we took. Of course, when I woke up this morning, it took me awhile to remember that I had a car appointment for this afternoon! Why is that?
Oh, and I am no spring chicken. I'm a grandmom who spent her college years as an original hippie!
I'm afraid the Gosselin kids might remember their mother's meltdown on the trip to Utah, her screaming "she's ruined" at Disney, and shoving ice cream into one of the boys' faces in NYC.
I remember the line from "An Affair To Remember: - "Winter must be cold for those with no warm memories." I hope that in the future, the Gosselin kids at least have enough pleasant memories to warm their hearts.
Gimme said
Yes, by age 6, memory is intact.
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Yes, it is, but WHAT is retained depends on a great many things, and also the circumstances. Memory works best when people - children OR adults - are not under stress. Stress makes it difficult to retain experiences, and, under most circumstances, it's the negative memories that print most vividly.
The Gosselin children might retain a great deal of their travels if they were operating from a strong foundation, experiencing these new things with a supportive, loving parent.
Each trip would have more meaning if it the relationships - between parent and child, between children, with others they interact with - were positive and valued. That is clearly not the case here.
Also, laying a foundation and preparing a context for travel makes a huge difference in what a young child remembers, too. That isn't happening here, either.
Intentionally refusing to tell children where they will be traveling, refusing to provide a cultural or geographic context, demeaning the people they meet (calling someone "Mr. Tour Guide", for example, instead of respecting that person and his role), and ensuring that the children can NEVER forget that their first obligation is to perform properly for the cameras will effect these children's experiences and their memories of them, and not for the better.
The job of the Gosselin children is NOT to travel and be enriched by their experiences. Their JOB is to continue to provide their mother with the lifestyle she prefers. Everything they do, and they retain, from these trips will always be colored by that awareness.
I may not remember where I put my keys but I remember my first day of school like it was yesterday. I remember the teacher, the classroom, the playground, many of the students. I remember how I loved the new supplies, the book satchel, and the new clothes. I remember the little slips (yes we wore slips back then) and some of my favorite dresses. My favorites were the one my mother made, baby dolls, with rick rack trim. I remember my fear of the big slide that I fell off of, looking up to a sea of faces staring down at me when I hit the ground. I loved it when the teacher wrote on the chalkboard, especially with new chalk. Yellow was my favorite. It was harder than the white. I remember a chosen few would get to go out periodically and clean the erasers. I loved first grade. My teacher was old and had white hair, wire rim glasses, and a soft voice with just a bit of tremulous but we all loved her and she taught us well. Yes, by age 6, memory is intact.
In reference to the article in the Huffington Post by Naughty Rob-
So in essence, what is Kate saying?
I agree, every life is precious- but didn't she knowingly cause her overly populated, and very dangerous pregnancy? Is she claiming that she had no idea that having sex with hyper stimulated ovaries would cause multiples?
Is she saying that her doctors did not warn her beforehand? Is she claiming innocence?
What is she saying- that she is THAT STUPID?
Of course she knew exactly what she was doing.
You don't take a specific drug, and not know the possible dangers. I'm sure her doctor, and nurses in the hospital explained the do's and don'ts. Kate simply did what she wanted.
I find her insincere warning a slap in the face to the doctors & nurses that did not turn their backs on her unethically dangerous decision. And of all people, she should be the last one dispensing advice on anything having to do with infertility.
If she was offering advice on how to fool people, or how to be a spinning b*tch on wheels.... well, that would be a different story.
Keep opening that stupid mouth, Kate. Your past is going to take you to task, and hold you publically responsible.
My God. She's really is incapable of speaking earnestly.
westbrooke, your post and many others about Kate's defense that the kids are having fun brought back a memory for me. I was about 6-7 and my dad took me with him to New Jersey from NM (apparently to garner sympathy and squeeze more $$$ out of his rich uncle, which is what happened). All I remember is having to pick which seat to sit in, which was hard, because the center seat had a smiley face on the head protector but I wanted to look out the window. (It was the 70s and my dad told me that TWA meant teeny weeny airlines, LOL!) My aunt was appalled that I had no robe so we got a little terry cloth coverup in Cape May for me to wear. She was mad that my hair was always tangled and was pretty rough combing it out. Then I had the seat decision to make on the way home! That is all I remember! My aunt was a kindergarten teacher and we did some crafts and she sent me home with some books, but I only know that because my mom still has the crafts and I read those books until they fell apart. These kids are too young and will not remember any of this stuff. Heck, my brother had a bone disease and had his hip broken and reset at 5 and mercifully, he doesn't remember any of that either! Well, at least the kids can watch their episodes...........sad.
They do have a supportive Dad! That counts for something.
I have worked extensively with troubled families in family law, kids are amazingly resilient. By no means does this mean it's okay to put a kid through crap like this because they will be fine, but it's remarkable the way kids dust themselves up and keep going with a little therapy and support. We often lose that kind of perseverance as adults.
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I could not agree more. Having at least 1 'stable' parent in the life a child can do wonders of their ability to rehabilitate from the mental (and physical) abuse of another parent. My husband's mother is a narcissist and could be Kate's twin, but my husband's father was a somewhat stabilizing force in his life and that helped him see the difference between what was 'normal' and what was not. I think otherwise, he would have believed that his mother's behavior was perfectly normal and that all people behaved this way.
I feel for those kids. They will likely need a lot of therapy to untangle the mess that was their childhood and try and understand why their mother is the way she is. It's a tragedy having a parent (or friend, other family member) who has NPD. It's maddening. I always, always advise anyone who has dealings with a narcissist to distance yourself as much as possible from them. They bring zero value to your life and will only cause chaos and pain in your life. This would include parents, children, friends....anyone who is a narcissist or you suspect is one, get a good amount of distance between you and them. It's sad that it has to be that way, but it really is in your best interest. I know a lot of people will say "she's your mother (or daughter, son, father) - how can you just shut them out?" - because they are abusive and destructive and you are protecting yourself from them. Just because you are related to them means nothing when you are shielding yourself from their madness.
Extreme? Yes. Necessary? Absolutely!
If we assume these seemingly uneducated, no class idiots are just what they seem, how would they have jobs that give them the income to buy advertised products????
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They married rich sugar daddies?
Hippie Chick. OMG let me apologize. What I wrote was a disconnect from what I was trying to articulate. Sometimes I have trouble putting into words what I am trying to say - sorry and the post I wrote was wrong. Again, sorry. I was simply trying to say what the hippies then vs the 'hippies' now.
Make Love, Not War said."
Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries,
I am from Nova Scotia. The word Bluenoser is from, I would guess, the 1700s. Not sure why but that is what we are called by the rest of Canada. I have never heard of your air squadron or why they are called Bluenosers.
Again, HC, sorry if I offended you. Sometimes I get passionate about (stupid) subjects and shoot from the hip rather than the brain.
Cheers all
Admin said,
"We're talking just a few weeks to get the footage back to N.C., edit it, score it, caption it..."
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I know, Admin, I thought about that, too - very fast turnaround. I read her tweet twice to make sure I wasn't misreading something, but nope, that's what she said. It's not subject to interpretation (at least I don't THINK it is...it's so darn hot right now I'm really not sure about anything!)
These are regular contributors to Kate's Twitter feed as well as bloggers. But...are they grownups? I don't think so! LOL! It reminds me of grade-schoolers who say "neener, neener".
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I don't know, Jane. It seems like the tweens and teens often show much more maturity than the supposed "grownups" who do not behave like adults. You just have to wonder if Twitter is their chance to "act out" - vent to release pent-up frustration, or if they really do treat people in "real life" exactly as they do on Twitter. I don't read there on a regular basis, but I'm disgusted at the "haters" who let loose with snotty comments at a "new" twitterer who is a fan, totally berating them for a comment, or if they just sign on to ask Kate a question.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/kate-gosselin-fertility-treatments-kids_n_904094.html
Oy.
Canadian Lurker commented:
"Completely ironic and totally hypocritical."
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Regarding the Bluenoser-Hippie Chick issue (if you can call it that). What's ironic and hypocritical is that Bluenoser is calling herself Bluenoser even though she wasn't part of the ORIGINAL Bluenosers which dates back centuries, but she took issue with the fact that Hippie Chick called herself Hippie even though she wasn't part of the 60s-70s Hippie generation. Yep. Totally ironic and hypocritical.
On another note, has Kate given her bestest tweeties any indication when she is returning? It would seem like TLC is milking this for all its worth and is going to get several episodes out of it. How many shows do they have in the can right now - what hasn't been aired? It sounds like they filmed something at home, like an organization show, but did Kate ever come out and say exactly what they were filming in her area or at home?
Admin...
You are so right. Kate, being such a *good* mom (OMG, I just threw up) could have brokered deals for so much. She could have started a clothing line...oh wait...or done a cook book...oh, wait! She also could have branched off & tried her hand at interviewing...oh, that's right! I guess she might have tried co-hosting on a daytime TV show or something? Oh, I completely forgot about that!! Maybe tried a spin-off on her own reality show maybe? Oh, man...she just can't catch a break! And here's why: She Kate can't do sh*t, as another poster's name so puts it. She has burned bridges, she is not nice, she is not likeable, & she will NEVER be as "famous" as she was in 2009. It's OVER for her. OVER. Kate had her chance & she blew it, with her big mouth, her diva behavior, & her rude, rude ways.
~Hippie Chick~
I am sitting here smirking at some of the comments. Took awhile to get back and catch up but here I am.
"Bluenoser", as IDModo said, is a nickname for Nova Scotians and it goes back a few. Residents of New Brunswick are known as "Herring Chokers", Manitobans "Flatlanders", well you get the picture.
What I find completely ironic is how Bluenoser was attacked for his/her comments re the hippies. The Hippie Chick fans literally attacked Bluenoser in as much as the Kate fans attack we 'haters' for our comments of Kate. Completely ironic and totally hypocritical.
On another note beautiful day here but the heat! With the humidex factored in it is supposed to feel like 47 degrees Oy! (That would be close to 120F.)
I am not trying to be nit picky-- but, wasn't the wording "15% of their (the children's) gross earnings"? Meaning 15% of what the children make is put aside. Not the gross earnings in any sense. I am pretty sure it was based on the NET of the children's allotted portion.
Who knows how much the children are making? I suspect it's nominal. 15% of that, divided by 8, can't be much at all. Since Kate can take money out for medical and education, and their school costs $15K per student, the money will be spent before they hit 18.
Red Sky At Night said... Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
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knowing what is going on here, I don't think the person you are referring to is going around the internet complaining. I've read his comments and see he has moved on and the only blog he is posting on is discussing all things not Kate.
Anonymous I don't plan on moving the twitter feed don't worry although I'm always open to feedback.
Tamara, I think it's probably premature to suggest that two of the sextuplets may be "too far gone" to benefit from therapy, at the age of 7.
It might be appropriate to make that judgment when they are adults and have done worse things than be expelled from school for behaviour that is the product of Kate's parenting style!
Administrator said...You know if Kate and Jon were really smart? They would have formed their own production company. They would have run the whole industry themselves and been in the driver's seat, not TLC. Then sold it to TLC and negotiated a contract that gave them a lot more profit.
I'm surprised that after being on reality tv for seven seasons, Kate isn't credited as producer for her own show. It sounds like she has a hand in the production, if TLC listens and uses some of her suggestions for the show's episodes. Not only would she have had greater control of the show's final output (including how she's portrayed on tv), but she would be making additional money on top of their usual salary.
I don't understand why she didn't make this a deal-breaker when they were renewing their contract, especially when she was one of TLC's biggest stars.
The Roloffs were producers of their own show, so TLC probably wouldn't have had a problem with it.
Kate is definitely not business savvy. It wouldn't surprise me if she isn't a producer of her defunct "Twist of Kate" show.
Admin, Kate didn't say they were under attack. She tweeted that HER standards of cleanliness and organization are under attack.
Wouldnn't you be riled up if you were a longtime poster who was publically banned? I see how it is around here; Kelly was a popular poster here that may not have been liked by all, but was liked by many. Now that Admin has banned him he's being raked over the coals. For shame.
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For shame on taking it elsewhere. If I had been banned, I'd probably be upset, but I most certainly wouldn't take it elsewhere and vent there. Absolutely not. What purpose does that serve? Spiteful comments are never acceptable, and it's not very mature to go around the internet crying to anyone who would listen. What I would do is to move on. People think a heck of a lot more of you if don't pay the tit for tat game.
That is - IF I been banned. I was reading the posts last night, and admin never said that she banned Kelly. She said that she was not posting comments. I have no idea what he might have responded to, but admin explained to him that that his posts were not going to go through.
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