It may be a campy cult classic, but many celebrities have had fans with fatal attractions. Kate tweeted this today: FYI-getting a lot of emails thinking I'm ignoring/forgetting u all. I'm doing my best 2 read&respond.Pls b patient w/ this busy girl!XO2all
Uh oh. Has she thought about the many other celebs who have experienced serious, sometimes even deadly problems with their fans? Here are just a few.
2. Selena's death. Yolanda SaldÃvar was president of Selena's fan club and worked her way up to managing Selena's clothing stores. Selena's designer quit because of Saldivar, calling her "possessive." When Salvdivar was accused of embezzling money, she fatally shot Selena in 1995.
3. Jodi Foster's stalker. In 1980, Ronald Reagan was almost killed by John Hinckley Jr., Jodi Foster's stalker. Foster spoke with Hinckley on the phone a few times when he called. "Over the past seven months I've left you dozens of poems, letters and love messages in the faint hope that you could develop an interest in me," Hinckley wrote in a letter to Foster just before the shooting. Foster has had at least two other stalkers since Hinckley.
4. Rebecca Schaefer's death. Robert John Bardo wrote letters to Schaefer for three years, showed up on the set of My Sister Sam, and sleuthed out Schaefer's private address through DMV records before shooting her at her front door. (After her death, the CA DMV changed its privacy laws).
6. Sheryl Crow's stalker. One of her fans said that the singer was his "spiritual twin" and said they were "spiritually connected." Ambrose Kappos was arrested in 2003 after hopping into Crow's limo.
7. Gweneth Paltrow. Dante Michael Soiu showed up at her parents' house numerous times (where she often stayed), and sent the actress countless packages and letters. The FBI had to get involved. “I am more than a fan,” he said in one letter. “I have formed a soul union with you.” He was convicted in 2000.
Maybe it's time Kate get off Twitter.
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Thanks for the insight into narcissists and inferiority! Good grief, admin. She has those characteristics! This one in particular is seen in her need to constantly Re-Tweet the praises the sheeple sing to her:
"seeks to undo feelings of inadequacy by forcing everyone's attention and admiration upon himself or herself (Reich);"
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She has to make sure that everyone sees that others believe that she is amazing.
Does this mean Stevie has gotten the axe? She sure is tooting her own horn this morning.
kateplusmy8
@JeanneKaye @LEIGHSHAHAN1 agreed! I won't know how to act if/when I ever don't have to stand totally on my own anymore....;)
She said she's procrastinating about "taking down Christmas." I have a picture of people (housekeeper, laundry girl), madly running around in the background, doing it FOR her, while she tweets her little lying fingers off.
Bearswife isn't it! It really is sort of the worst kind of narcissist to be around, because when you choose to not buy into their sob story, people think YOU are the insensitive one and YOU need to be sympathetic and how hard it must be on the narcissist and everyone needs to just be patient with them.
I was told I should feel sorry for a narcissist because she has such low self esteem and can never feel worthy--a beautiful, talented, wealthy person with an amazing family, amazing house, amazing friends. They had it all and I should feel sorry for that.
Needless to say, uh, NO THANK YOU. I don't believe someone's mental health issues are an excuse to hurt their children and others who love them, work for them, or are just around them.
Answering e-mails and dreaming about having a fitness show(not for her but for all the moms... HaHa.. Yeah right) is not going to pay her bills. Is this women living on fantasy island?
Now she's attacking 2012 with a "vengeance"? That's an odd word. Sounds desparate to me...Maybe she should get real and realize that she not going to have a fitness show or any other show. Can't wait for her to accept that fact. When she does...oh brother..get the straight jacket ready.
I'm starting to feel sorry for her....NAHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Answering e-mails and dreaming about having a fitness show(not for her but for all the moms... HaHa.. Yeah right) is not going to pay her bills. Is this women living on fantasy island?
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I noticed in her blog today she said, when referring to working, " I love waking up everyday wondering what work opportunities will come my way!"
It's always passive. She wants things dropped in her lap, instead of saying I love waking up every day (two words, Kate the great speller) and getting out there finding my next job. She wants everything just plopped in her lap while she puts her feet up and tweets away the days. It's so insulting to the millions out of work who stomp the pavement every day working their butts off to find even the most mediocre of jobs.
Here's another she is just like: produces (too quickly) work not up to the level of his or her abilities because of an overwhelmingly strong need for the immediate gratification of success (Reich);
Marathon, anyone? She dove into a training program at the last minute that was not nearly adequate enough to get her through. At the end of the day she had to hire two people to guide her through the whole race, and her time was abysmal. At the end of the day she suddenly changed tune to save face and stopped talking about times, even though she had talked about times throughout her training, and started talking only about finishing--nearly deal last. All because she just wanted that immediate gratification, completing a marathon, but was not willing to do the proper training for it.
Admin said...It really is sort of the worst kind of narcissist to be around, because when you choose to not buy into their sob story, people think YOU are the insensitive one and YOU need to be sympathetic and how hard it must be on the narcissist and everyone needs to just be patient with them.
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BINGO! I was the bad guy, but I knew I was right so I just held my peace. She eventually got fired for theft and only then did anyone else see what I had seen all along. She was a master manipulator - forced bright and cheery when it benefited her and weepy sob story to get what she wanted.
I will say that I knew her mom had passed away when she was just a teen and I think it stunted her emotionally.
raggedynae
@Kateplusmy8 You have 8 kids...the fact that you have time for ANY e-mails is amazing! :-)
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What is it that the sheeple just don't get? She has eight kids, all of whom are away from the house for nine or more hours a day, five days week. For two weekends, they are with their father. SHE HAS NO JOB! She has a nanny, sitter, cleaning service, outside lawn service, and who knows what else? She has time to Twitter up a frenzy when the kids are home. Why wouldn't she have time to answer e-mails?
Don't they know this, or is it that they just have no reasoning ability whatsoever? Or, do they just enjoy sucking up to her?
Hi Everyone. Could someone with real estate knowledge please help me figure this mortgage thing with Khate out? What type of mortgage did Khate refinance to:
1.) a 30-year fixed and at what interest rate? or
2.) a 10-year adjustable rate mortgage (ARM)?
I have read both with regard to Khate. I am confused. Can someone clarify? Thanks so much.
She LOVES waking up wondering what work opportunities will come her way?? That sounds terrifying to me, and delusional. If she wants a fitness show, maybe she should get fit first.
I have recently watched the final RV trip videos, as well as the Sara Palin episodes, and it is clear that the film contains true Kate (when they were getting ready to dump her), as well as some of her girls picking up on her cues/behavior. Some is very disturbing, especially with the G girls.
Some of the things that crystalized Kate's bad behavior in these episodes was that she constantly delegated duties, has a very bad temper (Narcissist), insecurity when she does not get her way, (does not know how to handle the situation), complete ingrate towards both Jamie and Ashley. Her recent twitter comments have shown she has no gratitude for gifts she receives, has no concerns for the safety of her own kids, it is her way or the highway, claims credit for all the work others have done(doing as little as possible), and that some of her 5 girls are mimicking her bad behavior, clearly on the recent RV trip. Not good.
Several of the girls were clearly very rude and mean to Clay( verbal and physical abuse), should not have happened or been corrected, which she ignored. Way too much rude behavior by the girls which was ignored or excused by Kate, who wanted to deal with this as little as possible. One girl tup off camera made a comment that Jamie's kids were "stupid ugly brats." Really? If I was Jamie, I would never expose my kids to that again. And she is probably at that point. Some of the kids were also mean and physical with cousin Lexie. Very disturbing.
I do feel very bad for the 3 boys, as they appear to be treated as second class citizens, and rarely say a word unless they are on the interview chair. The boys take a lot of abuse from the girls, just doesn't seem fair that their "full-time hands-on, narcisstic" mother does not recognize the harmful effects this will have on her 3 boys. Ladies first, gentlemen second, does not include her allowing the boys to be treated like second class citizens, without correction. All of the boys seem to be fading as it is probably easier for them to not fight with the 5 girls, with no support from Kate as this juncture.
I am not trying to criticize the girls, but rather how some mimick Kate, do not always treat the boys nicely, and do not appear to have a good example set by Kate. This is very disturing.
I wish the best for ALL of the kids, but the boys and how they have been treated by Kate and the girls is disturbing. Now is the time for Kate to correct this before it is too late. Equal treatment of both genders might go a long way. My two cents.
Twittering and a Twattering said... 198
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 U don't want 2 see me upset! LOL. Little firecracker that. I am!
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Is this a variation of the "I'm not going to be ignored?"
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And "I'm not going to be ignored" is the first thing I thought when I saw this gem:
Kate Gosselin
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Check ur email-I just responded 2 a bunch of emails... &pls,don't complain if u didn't get 1?! Ok?:) (u get what u get&u don't get upset!)
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Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack Fired Up 4 Kate
@Kateplusmy8 Ha...What did I get fr U? Firedup needs some twitter love!
Kate Gosselin
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Check ur email-I just responded 2 a bunch of emails... &pls,don't complain if u didn't get 1?! Ok?:) (u get what u get&u don't get upset!)
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This is going from bad to worse. We're two bunnies away from a stew. (Fatal Attraction joke)
4- Gift of grab-kateplusmy8
@JeanneKaye @LEIGHSHAHAN1 agreed! I won't know how to act if/when I ever don't have to stand totally on my own anymore....;)
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Take out "don't" and I think this reply is 100% correct. She just won't admit it. Probably a little subliminal.
Isn't this the young woman from Ireland who offered to babysit the kids? Very scary - or as Admin is beautifully puts it, two bunnies away from a stew!
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
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@dowd24 yes darling! Email me... And I'll send address ur way. Aren't u due to b in America soon?
Gosselin8ComeFirst said...
One girl tup off camera made a comment that Jamie's kids were "stupid ugly brats."
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"Children learn what they live." They've heard this close to home...
Kate Gosselin
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Check ur email-I just responded 2 a bunch of emails... &pls,don't complain if u didn't get 1?! Ok?:) (u get what u get&u don't get upset!)
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Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack Fired Up 4 Kate
@Kateplusmy8 Ha...What did I get fr U? Firedup needs some twitter love!
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OMG, there is some SERIOUS mental illness here...not to mention immaturity.
ADM is right--two bunnies short of a stew. They are both NUTS. They almost make Fatal Attraction look like a comedy.
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Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack Fired Up 4 Kate
@Kateplusmy8 Ha...What did I get fr U? Firedup needs some twitter love!
Oh, my word. Twitter love from Kate? You're right, admin...from bad to worse. No good can come from this. Isn't there anyone who can shake some sense into Kate?
At this point, though, is it better to play along with Alex Forrest/Glenn Close (a.k.a. Milo), or just pull the plug on the whole Twitter thing? I'm beginning to wonder if this sheeple is in some kind of facility, and the hubby/kids is all a fantasy. This sounds like it's scripted for a Lifetime movie.
Anyone who thinks that there is no danger here needs to wake up and smell the Starbucks.
Gosselin 8, I agree with your post; the rv episode and Alaska were shameful. Truly pitiful, as in I pity those kids, the crew, Ashley and Jamie, even ratclaws. The boys do seem to have given up; their frustration comes out sideways. But I do think those girls could stand a little criticism, from their mother. Problem is, she doesn't see their behavior as abhorrent. Maybe she just see their behavior. Looks like she spent almost no time with those kids on either trip
9. I learned that being a single mom is the MOST difficult and often the scariest job ever. Eight children are relying largely on me to guide them, shape them, and care for their needs on a daily basis. In 2011, I felt the weight of this responsibility finally “settle in” and I don’t take it lightly. It’s a huge job and I often feel unworthy of such an important task!
Translation: In 2011 the production crew pulled out, Ashley stopped coming around as much, I couldn't afford as much help, so responsibility finally "settled" in.
She can't get off twitter...Ir's they only thing keeping her relavent..
Kat said... 22
She can't get off twitter...Ir's they only thing keeping her relavent.
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I just have to ask relevant to who? A few sheeple who need to develop other interests/live their own lives? It is obvious that the TV industry has moved on from Katie Irene and she's being towed to the garbage chute ala Veruca Salt in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
From @kateplusmy8 - "I just responded 2 a bunch of emails... &pls,don't complain if u didn't get 1?! Ok?:) (u get what u get&u don't get upset!)"
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Wow. Talk about condescending, not to mention downright rude. And yet the fans(?) eat it up with relish as though they love being scolded by their cyber-mommy and can't get enough. Just wow.
With every word she speaks, every action she takes, every lie she tells, Kate Gosselin is digging her own personal trench further and further away from her desired media career. I can't imagine that anyone would even think of touching her now - her reputation precedes her, I'm sure...and none of it good. Divas like Kate are a dime-a-dozen in Hollywood, and many of them at least have a modicum of talent to offer. She has none of that. Her credibility has to be at the bottom of the barrel by now. And I agree that we are perhaps partly responsible for assisting her with her campaign to remain relevant. This Twitter thing has been (or will soon be) her final downfall.
Relavent to who? I don't know..I can't think of anybody at the moment... Tee Hee..
"Eight children are relying largely on me to guide them, shape them, and care for their needs on a daily basis. In 2011, I felt the weight of this responsibility finally “settle in” and I don’t take it lightly. It’s a huge job and I often feel unworthy of such an important task!"
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What's Jon in all of this? A pet rock? He's not there to guide them and be their father? Of course she couldn't say anything nice about him. In her narcissistic mind, he's an insect to be squashed.
Ha Ha...pet rock..good one..Jon has been eliminated from her mind. Just like she eliminated other family members. It's like they don't exist. She wants everyone to think she's alone in this so we can all think it's on her shoulders. Eventually taking any credit for any success they have. It's killing her she can't stop the kids from seeing him. She wants him out of their lives just like she got rid of the grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, cousins etc....thank goodness for the court system.
Police were called after an unnamed man showed up at Lindsay Lohan's Venice Beach home claiming he needed to speak to her.
Lindsay Lohan was forced to call the police after coming face to face with a trespasser on her property yesterday (01.02.12).
The troubled 'Mean Girls' actress was at her Venice Beach property in Los Angeles when a man arrived at her home at 6.30pm and began knocking on the door claiming he needed to speak with her, according to gossip website TMZ.
Although Lindsay did not allow the man into her home, he refused to leave, repeatedly demanding she speak to him.
The unidentified "older gentleman" has now been arrested by police and is being booked at a local police station.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 2
She would eat ramen and consignment clothes before ever admitting defeat as to the McMansion.
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Only if the noodles are organic and they sell hooker heels at the consignment store.Cause we know mommy got to look good and be thin
Sherry, I find it more concerning that it took 7 years for the responsibility of having 8 kids to finally "settle in". Not for a second am I saying that her children shouldn't be here, but I would have hoped that she would have thought more about bringing children into this world before running and doing IUI again. I think if there are lessons to be learned here, that's one of the biggest. Children are not baby dolls. If all you want is a baby to smell and hug and cuddle, volunteer at your church nursery or at a hospital to hold newborns who are in the foster care system and have been seperated from their natural parents. I think that was one of my biggest issues with Kate's explanation of why they conceived the sextuplets. Mady and Cara were preschoolers and Kate just wanted another baby. Not another child, mind. She always said "another baby". That, in and of itself, is not enough, imo, to have another child. But then again, Kate doesn't strike me as a long term thinker in some areas of her life.
JudyK said... 18
Kate Gosselin
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Check ur email-I just responded 2 a bunch of emails... &pls,don't complain if u didn't get 1?! Ok?:) (u get what u get&u don't get upset!)
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Simple Rule- If you don't have time to respond with a simple Thank You to twitter fans which you agreed to accept gifts from, by sending them your address, maybe you should not be accepting gifts at all, Kate! Geez- Get a clue!
Maybe during 2012, she can focus on her kids, instead of constant adulation from her twitter fans. It is really quite disgusting, disturbing and pathetic.
She dreams of London? Everyday? Okay first it was Ireland, then she just had to see Australia again.
I mean I get it if you have the traveling bug and all, I do. I am saving for a trip with friends next Christmas for multi-European stay, about two weeks. Funny, I started a coin jar. Don't know if it'll ever really work.
Thing is, if you want something, instead of dreaming about it, you sit down and evaluate what you have, what you can afford. Sacrifice what you can live without to be able to earn the money to go. Oh wait this is Kate...I forgot, someone will take pity on her and give her the flight.
Somehow I feel if you work hard and *earn* that abilityt o be able to pay and go you would feel better than just having it handed to you. Least I would anyway
Not to be rude Admin, but I thought you were going to Italy last I knew? It's not on my list but London is. I'm stock piling useful tips because I've never flown internationally and a bit concerned about space and frankly currency change. Bet Kate never thinks of those thing.
Thing is, if you want something, instead of dreaming about it, you sit down and evaluate what you have, what you can afford. Sacrifice what you can live without to be able to earn the money to go. Oh wait this is Kate...I forgot, someone will take pity on her and give her the flight.
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There are doers and there are talkers in life. People who are doers (when they want something they shut up and just make it happen) quickly get frustrated with the talkers--the people who just talk about doing something, but never do anything to make it happen.
Kate is without a doubt a talker. And she needs to shush up.
"Sherry, I find it more concerning that it took 7 years for the responsibility of having 8 kids to finally "settle in"."
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I'm not so sure that it really has settled in. If this were true, she'd be out pounding the sidewalks in search of a job, not waiting for something to land in her lap. Anyone with eight children and no employment would take this very seriously. This could just be one of her spiels to gain sympathy and attention. Initially it wasn't HER responsibility. That was clear in the episodes. It was his responsibility to put them to bed, to bathe them, to change diapers, and take care of just about everything else in that household while she was the dictator and off on a quest of fame and fortune.
Funny how things turned around...
Marie, the coin jar tip I've heard is this: Never spend your change. If an item costs 35 cents, pay with a dollar bill and put the change in your coin jar. They say it adds up very fast, and you never miss the money out of your pocket.
My father did that for awhile. He would count out his coins every few months or so, and always had a pretty good deposit to make at the bank. I can't quote amounts, but it was significant.
I hope you make your European trip next Christmas and especially that you make it to London. Of all the places in the world, that is the one I would have loved to see again. I loved everything about it from Heathrow Airport on. (Heathrow wasn't so bad in 1971.)
I wanted to become a chef I all ways wished to be one so what did I do?.Took three years of culinary in HS went to college for another three years worked nights cooking at bars.
Kate u and wish all u want it takes action just just giving birth.
I've debated on when to go, summer or winter so it's up the air right now. I got the change jar idea from my own father. But all he collects as pennies but that started as a joke.
I never thought of it that way so thank's fido! Usually from what I've looked at London is a stop-over or something.
Isn't having big dreams when you're in your teens or 20s (like me) and not when you're 36? I don't know just seem like Kat ehas these lofty ambitions that are supposed to come from nowhere. If she ever goes, since she'll be on her own, did she think of: cost of passports, cost of flight, money for food, money for hotel, exta money for spending, money for transportation, memorize emergecy numbers of the country, learn basics of the language?
Nope. Heck, she'll just wing it. But this is the same woman who cried to Jon in the airport, "Lead us! You're supposed to lead me!" Pathetic.
Marie said.....37 said:
If she ever goes, since she'll be on her own, did she think of: cost of passports, cost of flight, money for food, money for hotel, exta money for spending, money for transportation, memorize emergecy numbers of the country, learn basics of the language?
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She already has a passport, and it's good for 10 years, I think. The other costs she will try to get somebody else to cover. As far as emergency numbers and the basics of the language, what better use of Steve? ;-)
fidosmommy said... 35
Marie, the coin jar tip I've heard is this: Never spend your change. If an item costs 35 cents, pay with a dollar bill and put the change in your coin jar. They say it adds up very fast, and you never miss the money out of your pocket.
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My fiance and I put all of our loose change in a bucket every day. By the time summer vacation rolls around, we usually have $300- $400 + to spend during our vacation for a few special restaurant dinners, lunches, or souvenirs.
Marie...32,
What I do to save for a vaca (usually DisneyWorld) is this. When groceries at the store the receipt shows how much money you have for the transacton. I take the money saved and put that amount in a vacation bank account. Sometimes we've had to dip into it to pay bills, but we always had a reserved.
Hope this tip helps.
IF she goes to Madrid, on her dime or someone else's, it won't be all fun and games and adulation. Doubt anyone knows her there or considers her a celebrity. She will at least have to pretend to run a marathon. If anyone actually recognizes her, this run will be during the day...the better to photograph you cheating, my dear. Katie might want to rethink this...would she actually run a marathon if no one was paying attention?
Proof read, proof read....sigh.
It should have read
"When buying groceries at the store the receipt shows how much money you have saved for the transaction."
Even saving money I'm preoccupied with currency change for some reason it's bothering me. As a college student you learn to be frugal anyway. Not that I'm flat broke either.
So Kate wants Australia, England, Spain, Ireland. You know I get the feeling she just wants to go, "ust because." And not for anything cultural or to learn anything. Just to say you've been there.
I used to save at the end of a paycheck, telling myself whatever was left would go to savings. Well not surprisingly somehow there was nothing left every check. Now I discipline myself to save when I first get the pay check, which is making a huge difference because the money is not available to spend like it was before. It's now getting to the point where I've adapted to not noticing that money gone. To me money is all about psychology. If you can figure out how to trick yourself into saving it's a lot easier.
Oh yeah, before Kate goes anywhere she'll also need:
Permsission to pull the kids out of school or permission to take them if it's during Jon's time in the summer.
Someone to feed the chickens, clean up after the chickens, take care of the dog, feed the dog, water any plants she's got, get or cancel the newspaper. Make sure all food that could spoil is removed from the fridge, finish the milk before you leave. And make sure that sliding glass door the dog can open locks!
See, this is a lot of work and I don't see Kate pulling her own weight to do all this work just so she can go play celebrity somewhere.
4. I realized that life is short and extended family is important. Different views, lack of trust and family drama has stopped me from connecting in the past, but late in the year, I was able to make teeny steps towards family reunion.
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Your family has to want you back first seems like your the sane old person and who wants the old Kate.??
Marie said... 45
Oh yeah, before Kate goes anywhere she'll also need:
Permsission to pull the kids out of school or permission to take them if it's during Jon's time in the summer.
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OH please Kate doesn't take her own children on nice trips anymore! Seriously, have they been on a trip since the show was cancelled? Kate has of course. Kate has been having the time of her life in Australia and Las Vegas (twice now), New York City, various venues in PA. The kids stay home and go to school.
She has a serious get me out of this house bug, she always has, and it was never, ever about showing the kids exciting places or she would find a way to take them. It was about showing Kate exciting places, period. She used to need the kids to get her trips, now she's found a way to to do it without them. It's perfect for her, couldn't have come together better.
It's really amazing how well her plan came together.
Marie - 45
See, this is a lot of work and I don't see Kate pulling her own weight to do all this work just so she can go play celebrity somewhere.
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Hasn't she been doing this for the past few years when she travels, and she travels a lot? Someone has to be holding down the home fort.
DH and I have a large water bottle in our kitchen that he dumps his change into every single day. Me too.
I bet we have $500 in there. That'll make a nice little vacation, or at least pay for the dogs' boarding ;-)
Marie, most of Europe is on the euro, but not the UK (pound sterling).
http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/US-Dollar-USD-currency-table.html
Of course, things could change in a year, given the finacial crises occurring in so many places.
Of course she won't take the kids but she will take Steve with her she is such a wonderful mother. Telling her kids no more vacations since our show is done.
Using the money the kids and she made so she can go on vacation with Steve and leave them home with nannies maybe Jon if he gets lucky. Sound like mother of the year to me.
Children are not baby dolls.
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But that's how she treated them - watch the early episodes. Given her demonstrated inability to think ahead, I don't think she thought about raising children, just about "having babies."
I have to wonder if the old mousy Kate was real or an act. I just can not fathom that she went from being intimidated by the thought of standing on a train platform on her way to NYC, to jetting around the world.
Was all of that just BS for the story line? The hand wringing? The constant worrying? The bible shirts?
Well, the last one we all know was to keep the love offerings coming in.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 190
There is a spectrum of narcissism some experts have identified called COMPENSATORY narcissism. The behaviors they've identified fit Kate so closely it's scary:
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Wow, Admin, that information you listed in those two posts is so dead on in describing Khate! It seems like it was written specifically about her, and with each one I could think of examples from her life. That info is worthy of a post of its own!
Kat said... 193
As far as the 58,000 for closing costs...she probably buried those cost in the mortgage at closing. I doubt she paid out of pocket.
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Actually, she did have to come to closing with cash. Many people refinance in such a way to pay off the original loan, plus the closing costs (roll them into the new loan, so they don't have to pay anything out of pocket at closing).
But, in this case, Khate had a $720,000 mortgage that is only three years old, so hardly any principal had been paid down on it. If she didn't want to pay anything to refi, she'd have taken out a new loan for around $720,000, give or take a few thousand dollars - whatever it would be to pay off that loan, plus the closing costs.
Instead, she took out a new loan for $662,000. That obviously was not enough to pay off the first loan, so she did have to come up with approximately $58,000 at closing (whatever the payoff figure was on the mortgage that she was only three years into, plus closing costs).
So, that's why I said she doesn't seem to be like someone worried about her income stream this year if she just pulled $58,000 or more out of savings to refinance.
An innocent question- Since the show was cancelled and the kids and TLC are no longer involved, who paid for Steve's airfare to LV Marathon, as well as room, food, etc.. I know Kate was sponsored/comped by the LV Marathon to a degree. Was Steve?
Likewise, who will pay for for HIS airfare, meals, hotel costs, etc.. if he goes on the trip to LV for CC seminar? Does CC really have the money to bank both Kate and Steve's travels, and costs? Thoughts?
NLAN - I don't think Kate necessarily needs to worry about money. This is an area I think she does plan ahead for. I figure, if she invested the 3 million to 5 million that's been bandied about her making, she's probably pulling in anywhere from $100,000 to $150,000 a year (pre-tax), depending on the principal she's earning. Add to that the $12,000 a year Jon allegedly pays. After taxes, she's probably bringing home $70,000 to $105,000 a year which translates to $7,000 to $9,000 a month. Even with a $3-4,000 mortgage, I could still live off that, even with 8 kids.
The question becomes is she eating into her principal? The more money she takes off her principal investment, the less interest income she earns.
This is, of course, all speculation and in the end time will tell how financially prudent she was or not.
I think Steve gets comped along with Kate. They are a package deal. I think if you want Kate you're going to get Steve or no deal.
I have no idea where his salary is coming from at this point.
Rearranging the Deck Chairs on the Titanic said... 10
Hi Everyone. Could someone with real estate knowledge please help me figure this mortgage thing with Khate out? What type of mortgage did Khate refinance to:
1.) a 30-year fixed and at what interest rate? or
2.) a 10-year adjustable rate mortgage (ARM)?
I have read both with regard to Khate. I am confused. Can someone clarify? Thanks so much.
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She took out a 30 year mortgage, but it's not a fixed rate. It has an Adjustable Rate Rider, meaning it's an ARM (Adjustable Rate Mortgage). It's a 10 year ARM, so that means the interest rate is fixed for the first ten years at 4.25%.
Then at the first change date (in 10 years - January 2022), it becomes a variable rate which can change on January 1st of each year until the term is up (in 30 years total, or the 20 years left at that point). At the first change date, the rate can increase to as much as 9.25% (if interest rates are high at the time). Obviously, if interest rates were increasing that much, someone with this type of loan would refinance it before the change date. If she still has the loan in ten years or more, the initial change date is the only one where it can increase substantially (4 points to a cap of 9.25%). Again, that's only if she keeps it that long, which someone might do as long as interest rates weren't bad. Thereafter, the cap is only two points (in either direction), meaning each year, her rate could only adjust upward by two percentage points (if interest rates have increased), or decrease by as much as two points.
However, she most likely plans to either refinance again or sell before she approaches that ten year mark. Most people taking out ten year ARMS only do so because they know they will be selling the house before that.
She clearly seems to be buying time right now. With interest rates at such a historic low, it makes no sense to not lock it in with a fixed rate and be done with it. The only reason to take out a 10 year ARM is to keep her monthly costs down right now, and worry about the future later. She either knows she will sell before the ten years is up, OR she doesn't care that she will most likely have to refinance at a time when interest rates are sure to be higher than they are now.
Ten years from now, she will still owe over $525,000 on that loan, btw. With the current real estate climate, most experts predict that prices will not be rebounding for at least ten years, believe it or not. Even if ten years from now her house is worth what she paid for it and she sells it, she'll only be walking away with around $500,000. I can't remember what their initial investment was - was the house $1.2 million with the $720,000 loan? So, they put $480,000 down? If that's the case, then in ten years time, she'll be lucky to have recouped only her initial down payment, having lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in thirteen years of monthly payments (three years on the first loan, and now ten years on this one). So basically, it was a bad investment and she will never have anything to show for the KIDS' money she put into it.
She's an idiot to not sell that house and get a five bedroom house on two to four acres. I'm sure she could get that for a decent price right now, the overhead would be far lower than what she has now, and maybe she could be closer to the kids' school (if she even is financially able to keep them there).
In my view, the only reason to get an ARM is because you bought too much house.
silimom - I think her mortgage payment (principal and interest) is around $3,256 ($662,000 at 4.25%). Add to that real estate taxes of approximately $16,000/year and that's almost $4,600 per month for the house payments alone. Add in all the utilities, three cars (payments, insurance, gas, and maintenance), the upkeep on the property (pool, lawn, "helpers"), groceries, clothing, health insurance, savings/retirement, etc., and school tuition, and there is NO way she could live on $7,000 to $9,000 a month.
But, if she downsizes the house to a reasonable but still nice one (5 bedrooms, two to five acres), cuts her overhead with the house and helpers, and possibly cuts out tuition, then she could probably live off savings if she has that much invested.
I don't think people realize how high the overhead on that house and property is. My mother and I were just comparing electric bills, which are lower this time of year with no air conditioning. The bill covered November, so no Christmas light yet, and it's probably the lowest monthly electric bill of the year. My house is substantially larger then hers, but I was surprised at how low her last bill was. My electric bill was almost six times higher than hers, and my house is nowhere near six times larger than hers. There are only two people in her house, but mine is obviously using a lot more electricity not just because of the size, but the kids and all the extra laundry, TV's, computers, etc.
To Nobody Likes a Narcissist (NLAN): Thank you so much for your lengthy reply. I will read all about it and try to educate myself about mortgages and the mess that Khate is in. I don't want to brag, but our mortgage is all paid off. The reason I say that is that we worked our butts off to pay off the mortgage. We bought our house back in 1997 for 292K, well before all of the housing bubble stuff. We were able to pay off our mortgage with a lot of hard work. It felt good to have the mortgage paid off. But let me emphasize, nothing was given to us. It was hard work. Anyway, that is one of the reasons I am so clueless about mortgages because it is just not something that we deal with now in our household. Anyway, thanks again, NLAN, for the information.
So, the short version is, Kate bought a money bit and is going to be paying this mortage until she is (I'd like to say retired but you have to be working to qualify for that).
Seems like she has set herself up to fail. I don't own a home, yet, but that would be the last thing I want to do is pay off the house until I'm 70 something.
I don't think Kate could file for banktrupcy if it ever came to it? I should sound more financial educated, but I'm not yet. Sorry guys. But I'm assuming most of you are older than me with grown kids and all.
Wow..if she brought 58,000 grand to the table and has all this money..then why do a refi if she's finacially secure. That doesn't make sense to me. What would be the advantage of doing a refi?
What would be the advantage of doing a refi?
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Short answer - interest rates are at an amazing, historic low. The ARM doesn't make sense tho, unless she plans to sell or refinance before 10 years are up.
@57...
After taxes, she's probably bringing home $70,000 to $105,000 a year which translates to $7,000 to $9,000 a month. Even with a $3-4,000 mortgage, I could still live off that, even with 8 kids.
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Not if you have a tuition bill of $134,000 a year ($11,000 a month and rising), plus property taxes, maintenance (inside and outside) utilities, nannies, food, clothing, pool service...
NLAN, I'm thinking she had to bring $58K to the table because the appraisal came in @ $662K - and the bank would only refi that amount. Didn't someone post last month about the Zillow value of the house/property?
Wow...I won't post that payment amount...just WOW.
I know interest rates are very low. But I still find it strange to refi to a 30 year from a 10 year. Because over 30 years your paying more interest. So if she could afford to put up 58,000 then why couldn't she afford the mortgage payment for the 10 year? Am I missing something?
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NLAN, I'm thinking she had to bring $58K to the table because the appraisal came in @ $662K - and the bank would only refi that amount. Didn't someone post last month about the Zillow value of the house/property?
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I was thinking that too. I bet it didn't appraise high enough to start again with a new $720,000 mortgage.
silimom #57, I disagree with being able to afford that mortgage bringing the the after tax income you list...on paper, sure, it looks like you could, but with all the other expenses that go along with the house/property & kids, I don't see it on that amount.
KG is also spending some money on traveling I just can't see a coupon company paying all her air fare hotels rides to and from places food.
And when she brings Steve's that's double her fame is going down and down so why would they pay for anything.?
Most people do refinance at some point but I don't know anyone who wants to extend their mortgage. Most go down to a fifteen or ten. She's doing the opposite.
Marie,
If you are going to be in Europe (England, correct?) you will want to look into VAT. VAT, or Value Added Tax, is part of the sales price of many of the goods and services you pay for in European countries, including England, and last time I was there it was about 15%. You can get that money refunded. Make sure to do a little internet searching before you go so you know what paperwork you'll need when you buy things.
As far as her mortgage goes, I read that the first mortgage on that property was only 9 or 10 years. The payments were huge, but that would also mean that she had a substantial amount of the original $720,000 mortage paid off. I looked up 10-year mortgage amortization tables, and it looks like she would have paid off about $170,000. That means that by refinancing with a $662,000 mortgage, she could have used that equity to put the $58,000 down, pay the closing costs, and walk away with at least $100,000. That tells me there's financial trouble in paradise. She needed cash, and she needed a lower monthly payment. The private school will be the next thing to go, and then a car or two. But she'll hold onto that house until she has nothing left. To her, it's what separates her from the "mediocre" people. and she won't let it go.
Your right, Layla..."She'll hold onto that house until she has nothing left. To her, it's what separates her from the 'mediocre' people' ... (I guess that would be all of us 'peasants', ha ha ha), and she won't let go." What an idiot.
Thanks Layla...that sounds more like it..Didn't understand the person who said she didn't pay into the principal yet. Of course she did..it was only a 10 year mortgage. !00,000 grand won't last her very long...but it does buy time. I suspect she's in more trouble than she wants to admit
Rearranging the Deck Chairs on the Titanic said... 62
To Nobody Likes a Narcissist (NLAN): Thank you so much for your lengthy reply. I will read all about it and try to educate myself about mortgages and the mess that Khate is in. I don't want to brag, but our mortgage is all paid off. The reason I say that is that we worked our butts off to pay off the mortgage. We bought our house back in 1997 for 292K, well before all of the housing bubble stuff. We were able to pay off our mortgage with a lot of hard work. It felt good to have the mortgage paid off. But let me emphasize, nothing was given to us. It was hard work. Anyway, that is one of the reasons I am so clueless about mortgages because it is just not something that we deal with now in our household. Anyway, thanks again, NLAN, for the information.
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You're welcome. I don't know any of this by personal experience, btw. I've owned more than one home in my life, but each time I stuck with the original mortgage. Whenever refinancing was popular, I didn't bother to start all over with a new loan because I was prepaying, and if you do an amortization, it serves the same purpose of cutting out tens of thousands of dollars in interest. Of course, it takes discipline because you're making your monthly payment higher with the extra principal payment, not lower with a new lower interest rate. What I know about real estate and mortgage financing is through my work experience practicing family law and real estate law. They tend to go together, along with wills and estates, and I live in a state where the attorneys handle most of the real estate transaction from Contract through closing, including refinances.
I am extremely conservative financially and I hate having any debt. I'm in a similar situation as yours, having built our home before the bubble and working hard to pay if off. We're prepaying each month making extra principal payments, and will have it paid off some time in the next five years, savings thousands in interest, and taking years off the loan. My main goal was to never have a mortgage payment when a kid was in college, just as my parents did it.
It's made me sick over the last decade or more to see clients, friends, and family using their homes as cash registers. I know so many people who bought their homes like we did before the bubble, and then when prices kept going up, they kept refinancing and taking out larger and larger loans each time, based on the new higher value of the house. So, after ten or fifteen years, instead of paying down that principal, they owe SO much more than they started with and have little to no equity. It was not done out of necessity, but for things like vacations, cars, and televisions. Not a good financial decision.
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Interesting! I didn't know it was a ten year loan. Has that been confirmed anywhere? How did they buy a house for $1.2 million with only a ten year mortgage? Was it a ten year ARM maybe?
If that's correct, then it does look like she just pulled $100,000 out of the house.
Her life is such a mess in so many ways, I would never, ever want to be in her shoes!
A lot of times when I think of Khate Gro$$elin, I think of that John Denver recording, "Thank God I'm a Country Boy" and the lines: "Well, the SIMPLE kind of life never did never did me no harm, just raising me a family and working on the farm." and "City folks driving in a black limousine, a lot of SAD people thinking 'that's a mighty keen!"
We took our 3 kids (14, 10 and 9 at the time) to London back in 2006. This took months of planning hotels and tour packages while we were there. We decided to take a side trip to Paris via the "chunnel" as soon as we landed at Heathrow. It was exhausting, but what wonderful memories my kids have of that summer! When we saw "Midnight in Paris" on dvd the other night, my kids could recognize so many places that we visited. Let me tell you, Paris was the "cheap" part of our trip. London was insanely expensive. We ate at McDonald's a lot (kids didn't mind) which would cost us more than $60 for a family of 5, and this was almost 6 years ago. All our tours were "walking tours" where we would meet a guide at different tube stations and go on these wonderful group tours of Westminster Abbey, even a Harry Potter tour and an Abbey Road tour. All this said, we wouldn't trade these memories for the world. We basically "slummed" our way around Paris and London and our kids loved every minute of it. Wonder if Kate's kids would be able to do the same?
So, after ten or fifteen years, instead of paying down that principal, they owe SO much more than they started with and have little to no equity.
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Refinancing can make sense. I had 9 years left on a 15 year mortgage; dropped my interest rate by 1.75% by adding a year (to 10 years). Presuming I keep paying my original payment (my intent), I save on interest and pay off my loan early (my intent).
I do not know the laws of every state, but in mine there is NO penalty for pre-payment of a loan. This is important.
Of course something could go wrong, but it always could have.
Aside from Kate's cries of poverty and the emotional welfare of her children, I'm not sure that the details of her finances are our business. Just my opinion - no need to fire shots.
Gee, you know we just sort of plan to wing it with this trip. I don't think I want to do just tours. I'm more of an off-the-path person.
I watched European Markets on TV recently, which most of it was shown about German Christmas Markets so, we'll see. Flying...eh, as long as there no screaming kids (I wish!) I'll be cool.
Oh Lordy bee. Can you imagine the fitness show Kate is fantasizing about? Ready, begin....first con your doctor into overstimulating your ovaries and have more kids than you can afford. Whew, feel the burn...the swindle the government and churches to pay for your kids!! Keep going!! Call the newspapers and shop home videos until you get a reality show. Breathe, two, three, four...then squander the opportunity to charm people by being a bitch and be sure you get a tummy tuck for free! Whew, almost done, make a bundle of money making a fool of yourself of DWTS and waste tens of thousands of after tax dollars on lipo! Whoohoo! Then starve yourself and run once in a while and pretend to run a marathon!! Yay!! Have a facelift and pretend the running has changed your face!! What. An. Idiot.
When they first bought the house, they paid $1,120,000, and their mortgage was a 9 or 10-year ARM . They put $400,000 down, so that first mortgage was $720,000. But with a 10-year mortgage,they would have paid off a lot very quickly. The only reason to refinance it with a 30-year mortgage is to come up with some cash and a lower monthly payment, which is what she did. The really telling fact is that she did not pay it off (she would have owed about $550,000). Don't you think that if she has millions stashed away, she would have paid off the house and saved all that money in interest and closing costs? It would have been nice for her if she didn't have a mortgage to worry about. But she didn't do that, which I think means that she didn't have $550,000 to spare.
After reading the above comments regarding her mortgage and living expenses, she is definitely living above her means. Does anyone else see lawsuits in her future when the children come of age and discover all THEIR EARNINGS were squandered. The children are entitled to be housed, fed and schooled by their parents. They have no say in the lifestyle chosen for them as children. They should not have to pay for the mortgage, food and tuition fees chosen by parents. I don't have to add that they should not be subsidizing their mother's expensive lifestyle either.
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People are stressing how her 'fans' are waaay into her life and business and then go on to say a lot about her finances. WHO really knows what they made, how much they've paid off on the McMansion, how much she is in debt, etc. So WHO exactly is too into her life and business? And as far as stressing about some of her fans or followers being dangerous, WHO ever really knows anything about anyone that is around us? Any person next to us could be nuts or a pervert. WHY look for trouble or, in this case, glamorize her life by the constant, continual, over the top 'keeping up with the gosselins'? As Larry the Cable Guy would say, "let 'er go". She's not worth all the 'press' she's getting over her miserable existence. She isn't in 'the business' anymore, she isn't really 'working' anymore (oh, I know, she's on Coupon Cabin but who the hell ever heard of that before they took her on?). And what exactly is her blogging on there getting them? She's just bragging about herself and then, maybe sometimes, throws in a little bit of coupon crap. Please let 2012 keep on without her!
Marie,
The German Christmas markets (Christkindlmarkts)are wonderful, especially the one in Nuremberg, but the ones in Austria are even better, in my opinion. The one in Salzburg will take your breath away. Bundle up, drink lots of warm gluhwein, and soak up the ambience. There is nothing else like it.
I wasn't gonna comment on her "2011 Reflections" make-believe nonsense...
but some of it is so absurd, I can't help myself.
7. I learned true independence. I built a “barn door,” figured out how to hang pictures, moved furniture, purchased and learned how to use my own drill, and took control. I decided I won’t wait for men anymore.. I’ll take care of it all by myself! ;) (…Now if only I could figure out how to get this Christmas tree out of here….?!)
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Why, then, did you have "all the men" fix a list of broken things for you on Thanksgiving?
9. I learned that being a single mom is the MOST difficult and often the scariest job ever. Eight children are relying largely on me to guide them, shape them, and care for their needs on a daily basis. In 2011, I felt the weight of this responsibility finally “settle in” and I don’t take it lightly. It’s a huge job and I often feel unworthy of such an important task!
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Jon did not die. You are not parenting them all by yourself. They still have a father they look up to and who supports them financially and emotionally, as well.
Stop hogging all the credit.
Your blog post seems like you are trying to recover from being a victim of others. You must realize that ALL of your problems your are dealing with/overcoming were caused by none other than yourself. You are the one who chased everyone away, thus having to raise kids by yourself, having to fix things yourself, etc etc etc. I think once you accept responsibility and own up to it and stop portraying yourself as a victim, you might just earn back some former fans. I would love to hear you just flat out admit, "I was a true bitch. I treated people horribly and now I want to fix all that." If you did that, I would say NOW she's being real!
This victim role you have made for yourself is sickening.
Just read where Michael Jackson's dermatologist ( Dr. Arnold Klein ) is bankrupt. He used to live high on the hog like a celebrity, then his practice dried up and now he's broke.
Kate needs to pay some serious attention to this because if she doesn't get her butt in gear and get a real job and lower her overhead, she will find herself in the same situation soon.
The money will disappear. It does not grow on trees.
Her website is a joke. News & Events still lists Steve Irwin Day, "coming soon" is still on other sections, and a lot of content hasn't been changed since October or November. How does she expect to make a go of that site if she doesn't update it? I have a few favorite websites (this one, too!) and most have something new almost every day. I really think she's just lazy.
She figured out how to hang pictures? LOLOLOL
Does anyone else think Kate may just be running the LA marathon in March and not the Spain marathon? I just can't see anyone sponsoring her (and Steve) for a big European trip. No one knows her over there. And in LA, she could mingle with all of the celebs (lol) and whoever else. Alison Sweeney who hosts the Biggest Loser is running the LA marathon. Kate could do some "networking" while there. Right.
She doesn't need men to help her with things so does that mean Steve is fired from holding her purse and opening doors.?
Tate: yeah, I think she will run the Honda-LA marathon, that runner guy she was twitting to does that marathon.
As for Kate not paying off the house, Kate choose her responsibilities, FAME comes to mind and herself. Kate was depending on TLC/show to pay off the house(till the kids turn 21), Kate did not expect the show to be canceled. A normal/smart person would have paid the house out first, to own it, no house payments. Kates plans were all screwed up when Jon, wanted off the show/stop filming. That is why Kate is still angry/bitter at at Jon, he screwed up her long term plans. Kate only lives in the here and now, she makes plans for the future, her future, but never takes in the possibility that things happen, and plans change. Kate is one track minded and a narrow thinker.
Kate flat out has no consideration for anyone else but herself. Plain as day. If she did, would any normal person act half as outrageous as she has when something didn't go her way? No.
She enforces on her kids: you get what you get and you don't get upset. But does she follow it? Not that I've seen.
Whatever happens with her financial situation, she created it, so she has to either learn to sink or swim in it. Strikes me as one of those girls who dreams of getting married right out of high school or her first year of college, then to drop out or do the minimum until she gets married to then think her husband will always take care of her.
@Layla, Christmas Market I heard of is in Rothenberg. My concern is the tourist trap really. But I figure once wouldn't hurt. Supposed to have the largest Christmas shop there or something.
Kate's "2011 Relections post" is making my b*llsh*t meter go crazy.
I wish Kate was an honorable person. It would be easier to believe her.
Kate is a stubborn, pigheaded narcissist.
I can't imagine her happily hob-knobbing with mediocre people (family & friends). Unless-- she's allowed to be "the queen bee" at all times. In which case, she will live happily ever after.
A box filled with poop, wrapped with beautiful wrapping paper, and tied with a beautiful big bow is still a box full of poop.
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said... 95
Kate's "2011 Relections post" is making my b*llsh*t meter go crazy.
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It's called Deja Moooo. We've heard this same bull$hit before.
I have a theory. I am thinking that the Attorney that was on the mortgage had something to do with TLC? Perhaps they were helping with payments while she and the kids worked for them. Now that Khate and the kids are no longer working for them they cut all ties? I'm just trying to figure out who he is and how his name got on the mortgage to begin with. Does this sound logical at all, or am I just grasping at straws here?
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This is what I've suspected. Since the houses were essentially filming studios, I think their mortgage or part there of was compensated for use of their homes.
I've never heard of having a lawyer on a personal home mortgage. Maybe that's what rich and famousish people do.
I think Kate is hobnobbing some with the mediocre folk because she has run out of other options. She'd drop them like a hot potato if she got another tv gig (as if...). And I'm wondering if any of them like her much. She's just such a bitch. Maybe she's shopping for someone to be "another mommy" to her kids like poor jamie was. She's THAT predatory and self-serving
"People are stressing how her 'fans' are waaay into her life and business and then go on to say a lot about her finances."
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I think that people here are genuinely concerned that Kate is setting herself and her children up as possible targets of stalkers. If one reads some of those tweets, there appears to be reason for concern. I haven't seen any stressing; expressing opinion, yes, commenting, yes, stressing, no. There is a world of difference between fans being nosy about her life and business, and fans who come across as wanting to be included in her life and for her to share intimate details with them. Those are the dangerous ones.
"WHO really knows what they made, how much they've paid off on the McMansion,"
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It was reported in real estate records when she re-financed.
"As Larry the Cable Guy would say, "let 'er go". She's not worth all the 'press' she's getting over her miserable existence. She isn't in 'the business' anymore, she isn't really 'working' anymore (oh, I know, she's on Coupon Cabin but who the hell ever heard of that before they took her on?)."
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It appears from the number of comments on this thread that there are some who still care about the safety of others, regardless if that person is as disliked as Kate. There are those who see the potential danger of an ignored fan. After all, it's not all about Kate. There are eight children here who would be without a mother if anything should happen. There are eight children here who could also be the target. Thank goodness that there are those who do care enough to TRY to alert her to what can happen when an obsessive fan goes berzerk. Whether or not she listens is up to her.
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"Not if you have a tuition bill of $134,000 a year ($11,000 a month and rising)..."
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BINGO! I cannot believe that she will be able to keep her children in that school through high school. The cost will be well in excess of $1 million.
Having just put two kids through college, I can attest to the fact that even state universities are getting really expensive. It easily costs over $20,000 for all expenses per year RIGHT NOW at the "mediocre" state research university my kids went to. The costs have increased astronomically over the few years with tight state budgets. THIS IS WHAT SHE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON. How is she going to afford college tuition for 8 kids in 7-10 years? How?
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Carezee said... 97
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This is what I've suspected. Since the houses were essentially filming studios, I think their mortgage or part there of was compensated for use of their homes.
I've never heard of having a lawyer on a personal home mortgage
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Having a lawyer or TLC lawyer as part owner of the trust meant Jon and/or Kate could not sell the house out from underneath TLC, could not make unapproved renovations that would affect filming, etc.
It might have even been part of the contract that the Gosselin kids could not invite friends over in case some of the filming sets or lights were damaged.
I think Kate was referring to her twitter friends when she mentioned getting to know other moms and that they support her. She mentioned "virtual" so I don't think she meant moms she has personally met. I find that disturbing.
The cost of colleges astounds me. I went to an
in-state state university from '71-75. My tuition was $202.00 a semester, dorm room and sorority housing cost the same at $589.00 a semester, books were under $300 a semester, sorority dues were $85. My sister was absolutely appalled at that cost. She had gone to the same school 10 years earlier, was also in a sorority house, and her bills were $105 tuition, $350 housing, $100 books, maybe $30 sorority dues. I think she had an additional $25 a semester lab fees.
Kate just had her 8 kids too early!
In her post #10 Kate mentions connecting with other moms through modern technology. She is referring to her blog and twitter.
In #8 she mentions support and encouragement from people she has only met vitually, again through her blog and twitter.
Kate's new friends and supporters are her crazy fans. Scary stuff.
Time is hard now with a college education so who know what it will be like for the 8 once they reach college age.
But they are smart kids so I believe that all of the will go to college. J&K might have to pay out of pocket my self and my parents had to pay of of pocket and they made much less than K&J.
Regarding college for the kids----generally, financial aid is awarded based on income and number of kids in the family who are in college at the same time. So, a family with a lower income and only one child in college may not receive much or any aid at all. But, a family such as Kate's, with 6-8 kids in college simultaneously, most likely will be awarded a huge amount of aid. So, I have a feeling Kate is not worrying about college. I also think that when the kids turn 18--she'll tell them they are on their own.
I wonder if Kate will have an absolute breakdown if and possibly if she'll ever have to downsize. You know, move out the house with the pool into a neighborhood again? Put her kids into a public school.
One day she might have to return to mediocre, and I'm curious how she would cope if at all or hide behind her lies that she's taking the high road and all that other crap.
I work at a public university.
The $25K per year is well w/n the ballpark. Figure $12K tuition + $2K books +$2K (hidden) fees + $10K apartment + $5K food...and on and on. The other factor is undergraduates are not finishing their degree w/n 4 years, its closer to 5 years now. This is based on overcrowding in classes, required classes not offered in the sequence needed, illness, family problems, not declaring a major and then having to take more courses, etc. And each year the tuition increases by 3-5%. Also one or more child may want to attend a school out of state. What if its a private school?
Or is Kate going to grift free tuition too?
And, who says the children will want to persue a higher ed degree or if they will even meet the admission scholastic requirements.
Bottom line...Kate should be saving for the kids education. Yeah, like that's going to happen (sarcasm).
tate said... 107
Regarding college for the kids----generally, financial aid is awarded based on income and number of kids in the family who are in college at the same time. So, a family with a lower income and only one child in college may not receive much or any aid at all. But, a family such as Kate's, with 6-8 kids in college simultaneously, most likely will be awarded a huge amount of aid. So, I have a feeling Kate is not worrying about college. I also think that when the kids turn 18--she'll tell them they are on their own.
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True but who knows what the government is going to be when they go to college in this day odd things happen.
@107...So, I have a feeling Kate is not worrying about college. I also think that when the kids turn 18--she'll tell them they are on their own.
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Then again, nobody knows what is written into the support agreement. It could be that according to the terms, he is partially responsible for providing college tuition. I've know several cases where that has happened.
Layla said... 83
When they first bought the house, they paid $1,120,000, and their mortgage was a 9 or 10-year ARM . They put $400,000 down, so that first mortgage was $720,000. But with a 10-year mortgage,they would have paid off a lot very quickly.
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Not to belabor the mortgage point, but I have to say something about this one issue. I believe people are making a huge mistake to say her first mortgage was only for a term of ten years. A note of $720,000 with a ten year term would have astronomical monthly payments, no matter how low the interest rate (and three plus years ago, it wasn't as low as now). Think about it - with NO interest at all, the payments to repay that would be $6,000 a month ($720,000 divided by 120 payments over ten years). Add interest on top of that and it's really staggering.
I think the confusion is that she had a ten year ARM (Adjustable Rate Mortgage), just as she does now with the new one. As I explained in my post above (#59), a 10 year ARM is NOT a loan with a ten year term. It simply means that the initial interest rate is fixed for the first ten years, (you can do a 1 yr ARM, or 3 yrs, 5 yrs, 10 yrs). It is still paid out over a thirty year term, though. The first adjustment is on the change date in year 10, and then it adjusts every year thereafter for years 11 through 30.
So, she if refi'd one 10 year ARM for another after just three years, that means she did have to come to closing with cash because she went from a $720,000 down to a $662,000 loan.
As far as the comments about whether or not we should care or discuss this at all, Khate herself said she put her business on television. More importantly, most of us think these kids got unilaterally screwed out of their childhoods and the right to privacy. The very, very least they should have to show for it is a bank account when they're older. Yet it looks like they will have no money, no cars, no college. They WORKED simply so Khate could be in the "Mine, all MINE" house and act like a nouveau riche a$$hole. And, yeah, that pisses me the f*#k off.
Couldn't have said it better, NLAN (#112).
What in the world.
She learned that team work in large family is something beautiful to watch and be part of? Since when has she ever been involved in team work? She's ALWAYS sitting on her butt, barking out orders.
And what's up with "I learned true independence. I learned how to hang pictures and move furniture"? She didn't know how to do those before?
I'm just stunned. Either she's lying, or she truly was lazy and had never done those things before.
(Thanks, Deck Chairs)
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She's Nuts said... 111
Then again, nobody knows what is written into the support agreement. It could be that according to the terms, he is partially responsible for providing college tuition. I've know several cases where that has happened.
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The Final Judgment of Divorce most likely has provisions for college expenses. Usually, the expenses are shared by the parents according to their percentage of the joint income at the time. However, this case is different due to the family earnings with TLC, and possible accounts set up for the children. So, whatever arrangements have been made in that regard will affect it.
Also, despite what's written in the agreement and final judgment, people file motions every day in connection with payment of college expenses. There's often a change of circumstances by that point in time and if they can't agree on how to pay for college, it will be up to a judge.
I think Kate's "reflections" post today shows that she does not intend to go gently into that good night. It is clear that she is now trying to reinvent herself as some sort of a fitness/motivational guru "for moms." Somehow, despite everything, she seems to be completely clueless as to just how far her "star" has fallen. To the extent that people notice her at all these days, reactions tend to be overwhelmingly negative. You have only to read the comments on any article written about her since the show ended. The single biggest problem for people (besides her nasty attitude) seems to be her lack of credibility. Can you really be successful at motivating people if they think you're a liar? (okay, okay, politicians aside)
The considerable attention she pays to Twitter and her blog just reinforces her delusions. Does she not understand that (1) 70K twitter "followers" is embarrassingly unimpressive; (2) a very large number of those followers in fact hate her guts; (3) blog "hit counters" don't record anything meaningful insofar as marketing professionals are concerned; and (4) the number of interested people represented by all of the above is infinitesimal compared to the demographic she needs to be reaching in order for her to become a marketable "commodity" again. The days when 10 million people tuned in for her divorce are very far in her past. I wonder what it will take for her to come to grips with how truly irrelevant she is.
On another note, I had to chuckle today when someone on Twitter (outside the U.S.) asked her where they could buy her books and she tweeted them directly to Zondervan's web site. Their list price for her last one is $22.99! As we all know, these books are widely available for a buck or less in any number of outlets. If you're buying from outside the U.S., Amazon has it new for $9.20. Does she think she gets a bigger cut if the buyer has to pay more for it? Or is she hoping that a sudden flurry of inquiries to the publisher will resurrect Zondervan's interest in her? I smell desperation.
Another reason the mortgage was refinanced for a lower amount is so that she could qualify for a conforming loan. When taking out a non-comforting (also called a jumbo loan), it is a higher interest rate. She may have paid it down to $662,000 (or whatever it was), or she may have taken our a second mortgage or an equity loan. The limits of a conforming loan are set by Fannie Mae, on a regional basis. Our area limit is around that amount, so I'm thinking that is the most likely scenario.
Also, none of the calculations take the tax avantages of ownership into consideration. At the highest tax rate, she would get around 30-33% of all interest and taxes back. Since her home was a workplace, there are many other tax deductions that can be used to offset her income.
Kudos to those have managed to pay off their mortgage in full! I'm not trying to defend her, just putting out another point of view.
Tax breaks are a nice perk of home ownership, but they will never, ever offset a home you cannot afford or no one would ever be in homes they cannot afford.
No one mentioned how the divorce must have affected the house equity situation. Kate now owns the house without Jon. So it make sense that the courts would have taken the amount of equity "they" had in the house at the time of divorce and spilit it. And Kate would have had to "pay off" Jon half of his equity in the house at the time of their divorce. Jon didn't just give the house to Kate. Kate had to pay him his share.
I'm thinking the interest rate listed is high for a jumbo ARM...it is higher than jumbo fixed rate loan for 30 years. Could it be "no interest"/balloon for that first 10 years?
Kids will be on their own for college expenses - I don't think she ever intended to pay for it. I remember her comment about them having to work for cars/insurance.
(I don't disagree with kids having to work for cars/insurance/college...but most kids weren't on TV for 5 years already. My kids have gotten savings bonds from a grandmother every birthday & Christmas, and the oldest does have enough for a used car...from only $150 a year investment)
I've heard of very few divorce decrees that specified that parents pay for college. Kids are usually on their own after age 18, when parents are no longer legally required to support them.
College is not anything Kate is concerned about, except rhetorically. The kids will certainly be on their own, if they choose to attend.
Well, karma is alive and well. Remember how Kate's divorce attorney crowed about how thrilled she was to be keeping the Orphanage? Her foolish pride will undo her; too much of her self-worth is dependent on that money pit. She was so grandiose to want that house in the first place; and unbelievably self-serving given all her whining about making ends meet on that show and on the church circuit. So to Kate, I say, "It's all yours , dumbass". To Jon, I wink and say, "Touché!"
There is a marathon on March 18th in Los Angeles. The host from the biggest loser is going to run in that marathon with some past contestants from TBL. I'm sure she will actually run in the marathon and not just cheat. She said she's in training now. Why couldn't Kate run in that marathon?
Now that you mention it ..why doesn't she do speaking engagements any more? That's an easy piece of change for her. Is no one wanting her services lately?
I think people have been tolerating Kate for a long time because of TLC. Now that they're out of the picture, Kate's true value as an author, television personality, mother and spokesperson will be revealed. It looks as if she is done. TLC believed in her far too long IMO, and their support in her was for all the wrong reasons. By the time she became tabloid fodder, she was already a despicable person, unworthy.
Instead of "training" for a marathon maybe she be "training' for a job. I know its been said a hundred times but I can't believe this asshole. It's almost funny...she acts like she's retired and never has to work again. She will eventually need an income so why is she not planning for that day? Is she in that much of a denial?
fidosmommy said... 104
The cost of colleges astounds me. I went to an
in-state state university from '71-75. My tuition was $202.00 a semester, dorm room and sorority housing cost the same at $589.00 a semester, books were under $300 a semester, sorority dues were $85. My sister was absolutely appalled at that cost. She had gone to the same school 10 years earlier, was also in a sorority house, and her bills were $105 tuition, $350 housing, $100 books, maybe $30 sorority dues. I think she had an additional $25 a semester lab fees.
Kate just had her 8 kids too early!
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Fidosmommy, I can so relate to your post. I went to college a few years before you. There was a university in my hometown, I lived at home, and my mom was an English professor at the university. No wonder my parents could afford to buy me a brand new car when I graduated...today's universities are a different animal altogether. There's no way they could have afforded a college education for me in today's society, even with my living at home.
Ex Burn Nurse said... 117
Another reason the mortgage was refinanced for a lower amount is so that she could qualify for a conforming loan. When taking out a non-comforting (also called a jumbo loan), it is a higher interest rate. She may have paid it down to $662,000 (or whatever it was), or she may have taken our a second mortgage or an equity loan. The limits of a conforming loan are set by Fannie Mae, on a regional basis. Our area limit is around that amount, so I'm thinking that is the most likely scenario.
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Good point. Her interest rate is higher because she has a jumbo loan, both at this amount and the previous amount. There are no other loans on the property, so she didn't take a second loan or HELOC.
However, this brings to mind one other possibility. The new loan is with the same bank, so perhaps Ms. I'm So Poor was able to secure a Mortgage Modification. The loss of her paycheck from TLC would certainly help build her case for that. If that's so, this is just one very good example of how we, the taxpayers, are being screwed by people who foolishly bought much more house than they can afford. In her case, they bought this overpriced house and took on a huge mortgage all based on a freaking reality show that anyone with a brain would know was temporary income and their income could change drastically any day.
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koopdedoo said... 120
I'm thinking the interest rate listed is high for a jumbo ARM...it is higher than jumbo fixed rate loan for 30 years. Could it be "no interest"/balloon for that first 10 years?
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No, I read the actual mortgage document, and it's not that type of loan. It has a 30 year term, with a fixed rate of 4.25% for the first ten years, and then it adjusts.
18 and out said... 121
I've heard of very few divorce decrees that specified that parents pay for college. Kids are usually on their own after age 18, when parents are no longer legally required to support them.
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That is no longer the case and really has not been for many years. College expenses ARE something that should be included in settlement agreements and final judgments of divorce. In fact, most attorneys would consider it malpractice at this point for the attorneys to not address this issue in the negotiations and divorce proceedings.
I don't have time to get into it all right now, but there are many factors involved. One, of course, is the ability of the parents to pay. As we mentioned yesterday, the Gosselin case is very unusual because the family had a Contract with TLC and these kids did work. Also, there had always been talk of college funds being set up for the sextuplets, even though it was never known if anyone (outside the parents) contributed to them.
Even when college is not addressed in the final judgment of divorce, state courts are increasingly addressing the issue of college expenses in post judgment motions and the trend is to consider college a necessity. Actually, depending on the state, some case law and precedent go back as far as 20 to 30 years. Again, there are many factors to consider, most especially the ability of the parties to pay. The Gosselin case gets further complicated by the fact that the kids did work and for at least the last year or two of the show, they were supposed to have earnings set aside. I would not be surprised in the least if these matters are dealt with by a court down the road.
Back to fitness...why is she always 'exhausted' if she's so fit? Part of the point of exercise is to increase your energy level..I wouldn't watch her video even if I didn't know her back story....and why does she think she's even qualified??
And re: the girls' behavior to the boys.Yes, that episode ( reorganizing the basement) had Hannah at her worst being rude to Jamie's son Clay who was a guest.Kate was always surprised at "Hannah, of all people" when she acted up...I can see diva signs in at least a few of the girls. The boys know their place and Collin, who used to beat up his siblings, has now displaced that onto playmates and teachers apparently. So sad.
Nobody Likes a Narcissist (NLAN) said... 129
The Gosselin case gets further complicated by the fact that the kids did work and for at least the last year or two of the show, they were supposed to have earnings set aside. I would not be surprised in the least if these matters are dealt with by a court down the road.
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Having the means to pay is the key here.
Since it's very likely that neither parent will have the ability to pay once the children are college-age, this is probably irrelevant.
It's especially irrelevant if Kate has been supporting the children from "their" 15%. It's likely the children's earnings will have paid for a few years at a private elementary school instead of providing any contribution toward college.
Pricey private school, overpriced home with huge maintenance costs, 3 vehicles, plastic surgery, Botox, hair frying....all these things besides 1 of the vehicles are poorly thought out expenses fueled by Kate's ego. Completely irresponsible with 8 kids and no steady employment. Think of what she could have done with that money....and not just college funds. How about a road trip with the kids to the beach? Movies with the kids, bowling with the kids, going out to eat with the kids. You know, anything but ignore the kids
Someone local to Kate (sorry, I can't remember who now) said recently she figured she needs about $350K a year to meet ALL her expenses. Even if she socked away 3-5 million, the interest that money would make is not $350K a year. So she's most definitely digging into her principal.
I believe she took $100,000 out of the house's equity. Girlfriend needs cash, which means her reserves are dwindling.
She needs to do a hell of a lot more than waking up every day and dreaming of TV producers beating down her door, begging her to be on TV, because that ship has sailed.
I've said it before: 2012 will be a year of harsh realities for Kate. All. Year. Long.
On another note, It also makes sense that the attorney was on the mortgage because of TLC and now he is no longer on it because they have washed their hands of her.
Is Kate really for real and does she seriously think anyone believes her about her 'I choose happiness' blather? Really Kate? You could have fooled me. The only time she looks even pleasant is when she is posing for the cameras. To me, happiness comes in those moments when you are simply living your life. If she is so happy, why does she look so rotten when a photographer catches her doing those normal everyday things, like her daily trek to Target? How hard would it be to smile if she is so happy? She knows the pics will be seen on some sites, so just a simple smile would be sufficient. But not her, oh no. She has that grimace or her teeth are clenched. Nope, the 'I choose happiness' mantra just does not work for Katie.
But she got her swanky little sports car used you know! Saved money!
Isn't that rather like saying I got my McManion used?
As others have so rightly pointed out, even when you buy used or use coupons and discount codes, you still have less money at the end of the day.
I'd like to think that Kate is changing and choosing happiness, but admit being skeptical. Her behavior on the Palin camping trip and rafting could have been positive but she chose to be mean, bossy and self-pitying.
On twitter, she's all rainbows and unicorns. On film, she's miserable because "someone has to be".
NLAN,
I definitely remember hearing that the original loan was for 9 or 10 years total, and the monthly payments were $9,000. She thought the TLC gravy train would never end, so why not take a huge mortgage?
The attorney whose name was on the original mortgage--does anyone know if he was involved with the overseeing the kids' trusts? She has said repeatedly that it's the kids' house (when she's not crowing that it's "mine, all mine", that is), so perhaps the lawyer was looking out for the kids' interests. Remember those papers that Hayley Glassman sold that were notes from conversations between J&K during the divorce? In those, the house and the BBB were listed as being in the kids' names. In order for Kate to suck some of the kids' money out of it, she had to get rid of the lawyer who looks after the kids' finances. The trusts as revocable trusts, which means that she can take their money if she wants to. That is, if there's nobody there to stop her (the lawyer?)She is going to end up leaving those kids destitute.
Yes. Coupons can be great but they can also be horrible--there is a fine line. If you are buying things you don't need, want or will actually use just because of a discount or coupon, you are wasting money, not saving.
I noticed a lot of the Coupon Cabin "deals" are the worst kind of all. They are traps. They are the kind where you are required to purchase at least $25 or $50 or more in order to get the discount. If you want to buy some cooking utensils at William Sonoma but realize if you just spend $20 more, you will get a good coupon, goes what, I don't care what coupon you have, you just lost $20 if you buy anything else.
The best coupons are the coupons that work when you are spending the least amount of money.
People who are truly happy usually don't have a need to talk constantly about how truly happy they are. People will notice and remark about someone who seems happy, but it's not because the person informed them they are happy. Some people exude happiness, and I actually feel sorry for Kate on this one--I have never gotten that vibe from her. In fact, I've gotten the exact opposite feeling--that she is one very sad, unhappy person.
Happiness is -- seeing the 2 black kittens that were living in the woods behind my house and once but a "what was that" blur, now waiting the patiently by their food bowl knowing that food will come. Happiness is the MANY thank you's I receive in the form of faint little meows, as they go back into the fur kitty house that was put out for them. A type of happiness and fulfillment that I suspect KT will never know.
Taken from Kate's latest Twit:
Dear friends,like the energy in a video game,mine has been depleted..So I must say good night! Chat tom when my energy has been renewed! :).
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She's so hoity-toity.
Dear Katie Irene, like sand through the hourglass, you lie & lie.
I think that Kate equates happiness with material possessions and perks. She can truly say she chooses happiness -- it's a new car, comped trip, or heaps of wrapped presents. She is attracted to "glitter". I believe that she enjoys the thought that she has something/anything more or better than her peers.
Also, I don't really see happiness as something you can sit there and choose. What I do see is that you can make positive choices in your life that will manifest themselves in feeling happy.
Choosing to spend time with family. Choosing not to get into it with your ex. Choosing to turn down that tenth business trip to go ice skating with the kids. Choosing to have lots of friends and family around even if you don't always agree. Choosing to put down your phone and talk with your children. Choosing to volunteer. Choosing to work hard at your job. Choosing to play hard at home. Choosing not to take advantage of people. Choosing to make good financial decisions. Choosing to live within your means.
All of these little and big choices really make or break whether happiness will manifest itself in you.
Dmasy, the cliff note's version of your post is: Ohhhh, SHINY!!!
With all the talk of "choosing happiness", I am reminded of a Peanuts book I had as a child, called "Happiness Is", and it had all these simple things to be happy about. My favorite was the one that said, "Happiness is waking up, looking at the clock, and seeing that you still have 2 hours left to sleep". I think of that every time I wake up too early and then get to snuggle back under the covers.
With all this dicussion about a new mortage all I can think of is Kate is headed either to bankruptcy or is looking for a Sugar Daddy to bail her out of this mess.
Pity Party said... 140
Happiness is -- seeing the 2 black kittens that were living in the woods behind my house and once but a "what was that" blur, now waiting the patiently by their food bowl knowing that food will come. Happiness is the MANY thank you's I receive in the form of faint little meows, as they go back into the fur kitty house that was put out for them. A type of happiness and fulfillment that I suspect KT will never know.
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Thank you, PP, for taking care of those kitties. We have 3, 2 are from a local shelter, and the most recent one was a stray that was hanging around our house for months - he was so scared that he would run away whenever we opened the door to bring out some food, but was so hungry that he was eating the food within a minute. Literally, months went by before he let us pat him...as soon as that happened I scooped him up and brought him to our vet.....he was treated for a few minor problems, cleaned up, and now sleeps on my bed everynight!
Sorry to go off topic, but THAT is happiness - my kids love the cat, and we kinda saved a life - lots of bigger critters in our area who would have done something. Maybe that's the "mediocre" spirit in me, but to see my kids happy over that rather than a fancy trip to Australia, million dollar mansion, and seeing mama make a damn fool of herself if hooker clothes and a "LOOOK AT MEEEEE" car.
Amy2 said... 145
With all this dicussion about a new mortage all I can think of is Kate is headed either to bankruptcy or is looking for a Sugar Daddy to bail her out of this mess.
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I've not read the mortgage papers, and I appreciate those who have expertise in the area explaining things, but I've always thought it a good thing to be able to refinance to a lower rate or be able to get a good home equity line of credit.
Many are not in a position to do so. So, do you think that Kate is using this for cash on hand because she's already busted?
With all the talk of "choosing happiness", I am reminded of a Peanuts book I had as a child, called "Happiness Is", and it had all these simple things to be happy about. My favorite was the one that said, "Happiness is waking up, looking at the clock, and seeing that you still have 2 hours left to sleep". I think of that every time I wake up too early and then get to snuggle back under the covers.
Kat said... 124
Now that you mention it ..why doesn't she do speaking engagements any more? That's an easy piece of change for her. Is no one wanting her services lately?
January 3, 2012 5:32 AM
She wore her sob story out and has zero else to offer, hence, why she's trying to reinvent herself now as the "fitness mommy" ~ determined to save all the flabby humdrum mommies of the world from themselves and make them like her ( since she's so fit and all ).
My question is, why would mothers who work full time and have no help with the children and housekeeping...want to listen to a woman who doesn't work, has babysitters and housekeepers, tell them what they should be doing fitness-wise?
And her healthy eating? I don't find it all that healthy really. There's something amiss when someone claims to be so fit and eats healthy, but yet is so irritable and exhausted most of the time. And if she needs THAT much coffee to function normally, Uhhhh, no.
There's something off with her health. Maybe she should go gluten free since she has PCOS since gluten can be a huge factor in that.
DD @147 - I am going for the sleeping in my bed thing, too. They are beautiful - solid black with the amber eyes. Now if I can just keep my little dog from going cataclysmic whenever he sees them through the window...
Pricey private school, overpriced home with huge maintenance costs, 3 vehicles, plastic surgery, Botox, hair frying....all these things besides 1 of the vehicles are poorly thought out expenses fueled by Kate's ego. Completely irresponsible with 8 kids and no steady employment. Think of what she could have done with that money....and not just college funds. How about a road trip with the kids to the beach? Movies with the kids, bowling with the kids, going out to eat with the kids. You know, anything but ignore the kids
...You forgot Hershey Park and gymnastics. Remember...too expensive.
Oops I meant 146..
Kat said... 124
Now that you mention it ..why doesn't she do speaking engagements any more? That's an easy piece of change for her. Is no one wanting her services lately?
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I'm guessing most people watched her show even church going people. After the way she treated Jamie & Ashely & The kids who wants her.?
Talking about anything and who wants to pay someone who treats people so poorly. Unless it's her follower on twitter I don't think many people would show up to see her speaking.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 143
Also, I don't really see happiness as something you can sit there and choose.
I think it depends on your personality a bit. As someone that is pretty tightly wound (though not as tightly as Kate is) and tends toward the grouchy vs the cheery side kind of naturally (glass is half-empty vs half-full), I get what she means when she says choosing happiness.
Now, whether I BELIEVE she is actually doing that is a whole other matter ;)
I don't usually care about her nutty fans..but..who is this miloandjack person..her desparation for Kate is really out of control. I think this woman is confined or has some kind of physical issues. She is on twitter constantly begging for some attention from Kate. Kate ignores her mostly all day. But when they do interact its getting very distubing. I notice everyday that this milo person is trying to control Kate with her stupid little demands. She sounds like a very sad character. Her whole day is consumed with getting Kates attention. She acts like she owns Kate. The more Kate doesn't answer her the more she starts begging and demanding for some "love". Poor, sick bastard....
I'm guessing most people watched her show even church going people. After the way she treated Jamie & Ashely & The kids who wants her.?
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Ah, just setting the stage for another Kate transformation (I can see the headline on the cover of People Magazine: The New Kinder, Gentler Kate!). I know I've said it before, but Kate could give Madonna a run for her money when it comes to reinventing herself.
Although, I think after AlaskaGate and RVGate, it will be a deep hole to dig out of. You just can not blame that on editing. I didn't like the way Kate treated Jamie and Ashley, but I can see how that would be an especially stressful vacation with all those kids and 2 RV's plus a crap load of shooting to do. Melt downs were bound to happen, but then again, I think that's what TLC was going for in a failed attempt to recreate the lightning in a bottle that was the demise of J+K.
Since TV is not clamoring to give her a show, I'm expecting her to come out with another book. Still, that won't be much income.
No matter how you dice it, eventually her stockpile of cash will run out. I don't think there is any way she has gone through it all, but coupon blogging and the occasional marathon is not going to pay the bills five years down the road.
There's an interesting read in New York Times that was cited by fan blog. It is about Laurie Goldberg, TLC's PR pitchman. In regards to the Palin camping debacle with Kate, "In the ensuing episode, Ms. Goldberg can be seen listening to Ms. Gosselin list her grievances about the trip — “I am freezing to the bone. ... I’m hungry.”
“I felt like Forrest Gump,” Ms. Goldberg told Ms. O’Neill when she returned.
In an interview, Ms O’Neill joked: “I’m still paying for that trip.”
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For me, I suspect that the Palins were so pissed off and Kate behaved so badly, that it was the beginning of the end for ol' Kate. Bye-bye "Twist of Kate". Not only that, but Palin fans must have been offended too. Kate has burned her bridges so those hints she drops twittering are falling on deaf ears.
If the re-mortgage was to pull money immediately out of her underwater house in December, 2011, then those kids are going to be attending a different school in fall, 2012.
Too bad Kate didn't recognize sooner (supposing that she's noticed now) that she should have been cultivating relationships at their school, helping out with fundraising, attending events without complaining about being bored to death, etc.
Good relationships at the school, and having done everything she could to support the school community, might have helped her once the money ran out.
As it is, it is hard to believe that anyone at the school will be sorry to see her go, no matter how much sympathy they feel for the kids.
Here's what truly makes me happy:
Cooking a good meal (I know it's crazy, but I find cooking and baking relaxing--I turn on the TV I can see from the kitchen to that ID channel on what I call my mystery stories--I sound so old--and get interested in that while I chop and mix and cook)
Watching my kid become an adult--all those milestones when she was younger were totally cool, but there is NO kick in the world like seeing your baby really bloom into a mature adult. Nothing can compare.
Hanging out with my husband doing nothing. I know it's cliche, but I really married my best friend. We could do everything or nothing and completely enjoy each other's company. I still have a bit of a crush on him and he's so good to me and devoted to his family.
Sleeping with a bunch of cats all over me. They're warm and adorable! (I have four!)
Our dog is my buddy and a total sweetheart. The husband and I totally spoil her, she's our baby.
Being with friends: they are the witnesses to our lives.
I just realized this list could go on and on. Sitting out on the back deck with a cup of coffee watching the birds (I'm a bird nerd). Playing cards. Getting lost in a good book. My career, too, is very satisfying.
I don't know. Little things seem to make me happy.
Kat said... 155
I don't usually care about her nutty fans..but..who is this miloandjack person..her desparation for Kate is really out of control. I think this woman is confined or has some kind of physical issues. She is on twitter constantly begging for some attention from Kate. Kate ignores her mostly all day. But when they do interact its getting very distubing. I notice everyday that this milo person is trying to control Kate with her stupid little demands. She sounds like a very sad character. Her whole day is consumed with getting Kates attention. She acts like she owns Kate. The more Kate doesn't answer her the more she starts begging and demanding for some "love". Poor, sick bastard....
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Yes, miloandjack seems like the top contender for craziest, most obsessed but there are a few others who give her a run, also. I've pretty much stopped looking at Twazzup or her Twitter posts. Found that even when I didn't look for a few days and then went back, the same people were saying the same things. Fans and haterz alike. I often think that if those 5 or so haterz would stay quiet, the 5 or so fans would peter out leaving a few teens from other countries where the show is currently airing. All the back and forth between the fans and non-fans keeps her going and gives food to those who write articles about her.
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Pity Party said... 140
Happiness is -- seeing the 2 black kittens that were living in the woods behind my house and once but a "what was that" blur, now waiting the patiently by their food bowl knowing that food will come. Happiness is the MANY thank you's I receive in the form of faint little meows, as they go back into the fur kitty house that was put out for them. A type of happiness and fulfillment that I suspect KT will never know.
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Thank you, PP, for taking care of those kitties. We have 3, 2 are from a local shelter, and the most recent one was a stray that was hanging around our house for months - he was so scared that he would run away whenever we opened the door to bring out some food, but was so hungry that he was eating the food within a minute. Literally, months went by before he let us pat him...as soon as that happened I scooped him up and brought him to our vet.....he was treated for a few minor problems, cleaned up, and now sleeps on my bed everynight!
Sorry to go off topic, but THAT is happiness - my kids love the cat, and we kinda saved a life - lots of bigger critters in our area who would have done something. Maybe that's the "mediocre" spirit in me, but to see my kids happy over that rather than a fancy trip to Australia, million dollar mansion, and seeing mama make a damn fool of herself if hooker clothes and a "LOOOK AT MEEEEE" car.
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These posts touched my heart. I have two black feral brother kitties I took into my home one year ago. I am so in love with those rotten little brothers!
I'm also feeding a feral kitten outside which I will get neutered soon and a pregnant feral kitty that lives on my porch but will not allow me to pick her up. I am seriously afraid of a major injury, but I still love her and want to get her spayed. My indoor kitties will never accept them, but they can continue to be my outdoor kitties forever, as soon as they are fixed, so that I am not contributing to the population.
Unfortunately, Kate will never know that kind of joy, because materialism, self-absorption, and money are all her shallow soul can relate to.
Dallas Lady -- I believe that you have composed a list most of us can relate to. A delightful list. The rest of us will tweak (for me, min pin dogs instead of cats) your words and smile at the thoughts you have provoked.
Poor Kate. Really, just poor Kate.
Dallas Lady 159: Such a lovely post...all of it.
I also enjoy cooking so very much while watching t.v. from the kitchen. Tonight I'm making Lucinda Scala Quinn's Lasagna w/ Basic Tomato Sauce.
Thanks to Tam at Preesi's blog for posting Kate's latest useful, money saving coupon entry at Coupon Cabin.
Here it is:
My Reflection on 2011: A Year of Newfound Independence and Determination.
A new year always means New Year’s resolutions. It’s a fresh start for everyone and a time to start new and better traditions and habits.
I don’t typically make New Year’s resolutions because I’m not one to make drastic changes just for the sake of making them or just because the calendar starts over.
However, I do aim for certain things as I organize and prioritize my life all year long. For example, I make goals to fix or finish certain projects around the house, goals for giving the kids certain life experiences and fitness and career goals for myself. Beyond that, there are always dreams…those make my list too!
For this year, I made a goal of having the patio and pool redone at our house. The patio was not built for a family of 9 plus a dog and I felt that if we expanded it, we would spend more time outside doing barbecues and making more memories. I accomplished that goal around the little kids’ birthday in May.
The main thing that the end of a year causes me to do is to reflect on what I’ve learned that year. The year of 2011 for me was a year of gaining complete independence, and learning to look for solutions in every situation instead of focusing on the problems.
This year, I learned that if I want to accomplish something, whether it’s hanging a picture in my home, building a chicken coop or running a marathon, it’s all possible if my mindset is one of determination and positivity!
I also learned to step back and survey the situation before acting on something. For the most part, this has worked and overall I feel more peaceful and more confident that I can handle whatever life throws at me. I’ve also noticed my kids are becoming problem solvers, too, which is very encouraging!
I truly believe that at the end of very year, it’s important to look back on what you have done well and what you have learned. And it doesn’t have to wait until the calendar adds another year!
I’ve always said that I don’t live apologetically; I live passionately! A great way to do that is to learn from the past and make it better in the future.
Happy 2012 everyone!
- K8
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Let's see- she was hired by Coupon Cabin to blog about how she saves money with coupons, etc...
What the HELL does any of the above have to do with coupons? Looks more like Kate's grifting list to me.
Coupon Cabin is probably regretting ever bringing Kate on board. Serves them right.
Tucker's Mom said... 136
As others have so rightly pointed out, even when you buy used or use coupons and discount codes, you still have less money at the end of the day.
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Tucker's Mom, so true! I have a sister-in-law who is deeply in debt, yet she's always telling me about the "great deals" she gets using coupons, Groupon, etc. For example, she thinks a buy-one-get-one-free offer for admission to the zoo saves her SO much money. She doesn't get that its costing her money she doesn't have to take a trip to the zoo. She is constantly using these deals to eat out and do all kinds of fun things she really can't afford. It's crazy.
That is her second reference to learning how to hang a picture. She has some really "high" standards as regards accomplishments. She needs to spend some quality time with REAL moms. Maybe, some military wives with jobs outside the home and small kids to care for. She just can't keep her foot out of her blathering mouth.
Perhaps I am underestimating Kate's accomplishments. Did she have to use a molly for her hanger or did she have to locate a stud in the wall? Was a level required to straighten the picture? Maybe she learned that a bit of tape on a plaster surface prevents chipping when you drive a nail. Let's not forget the details of phillips head vs. straight slot or claw hammer vs. tap hammer.
Well, no wonder she is exhausted!
Wouldn't CC approve what she writes before she posts this inane drivel? I would think that they would have the final say. If so, it appears that they are okay with this. I can't imagine that they wouldn't tell her to take a hike and post this on her own website where it belongs.
Too bad Kate didn't recognize sooner (supposing that she's noticed now) that she should have been cultivating relationships at their school, helping out with fundraising, attending events without complaining about being bored to death, etc.
Good relationships at the school, and having done everything she could to support the school community, might have helped her once the money ran out.
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Has she started doing that now? Kids' friends over for Christmas Eve party (!?) and going to a skating party may have been school related activities. I think I read here that parents were glad to see her take that step toward
participation.
Pity Party said... 150
DD @147 - I am going for the sleeping in my bed thing, too. They are beautiful - solid black with the amber eyes. Now if I can just keep my little dog from going cataclysmic whenever he sees them through the window...
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Pity Party - that made me grin. Every time our cat wants in, she climbs up the screen on whatever window we are near in the house. Then our German Shepherd starts in with her barking and getting all wound up. We try to pull the Dog Whisperer's "shh!" thing, but it doesn't do much good. LOL Once the cat is in, the dog is fine. But getting the cat in without a big chase from the dog is a challenge.
Dmasy--When I think of Kate hanging a picture, this is what I imagine--Get picture, get magnet-affix picture to fridge with magnet-Picture is now hung.
Sorry-I'm in a snarky mood today.
Are the other CC blogger's writing on par with Kate's musings? Because, that's what they are. There was not one iota of couponing in that post.
(can CC truly be happy with this?)
Living without apologies is living without a moral compass. People with no regrets are often times sociopaths with no galvanic skin response. Not something to boast about and not a meme for the children to abide by.
"The unexamined life is not worth living"
~Socrates
Does Kate have her personal blog at Kate plus my 8 and Coupon Cabin confused again?
That's sure as heck what it looks like to me. Her CC blog does not appear professionally done much less does it entail what her blog position (not career) has done or given to other people.
If yo are trying to sell copons that's great, but this is so the wrong way to go about trying to do that.
fidosmommy said... 169
Kids' friends over for Christmas Eve party (!?) and going to a skating party may have been school related activities. I think I read here that parents were glad to see her take that step toward
participation.
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Right. It looks as if it may have dawned on Kate that hostility towards the school and its mediocre parents and children may have been a mistake. My point (mom of the year said 158 ) was "too little, too late".
I don't think that trying to make amends seven months before you have to pull your kids out of their private school is going to make any difference, either in terms of future friendships or potential assistance to keep the children in that particular school once the money is gone.
Happy New Year everyone!
New article just posted:
Kate Gosselin Tweets the Lessons She’s Learned
Sue Buddy, that is hilarious! She's a joke. And a bully. And clueless. Those last two things have served her well with having lucrative things drop in her lap with no effort from herself, but those days seem to be over. Reality will set in at some point. I love the term 'circling the drain' that many have used, and I believe it's finally true.
Sue Buddy!!!!!
Happy New Year to you as well :o)
Thanks for posting another excellent article
on Kate's absurdity :o)
What stage is it when the obsessed fan/stalker becomes the celebrity's boss, dictating what needs to be done, when to do it, and how to do it?
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 @Puppy22299 Hey Kate...this nice lady has been wavin 2ya 4 a while! School teacher wants a Kate sweet tweet! How abt it? :)
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 So will chk back w/U later! Don't run on empty...eat girl...eat well...cold winters&germs U need 2bulk up a bit! :)
...For this year, I made a goal of having the patio and pool redone at our house. The patio was not built for a family of 9 plus a dog and I felt that if we expanded it, we would spend more time outside doing barbecues and making more memories. I accomplished that goal around the little kids’ birthday in May....
Uh, uh. You mean TLC paid to have your patio re-done. Too bad they cancelled you before they got a chance to show the episode. Where did they send you on vacation while they were re-doing the patio?
PJ'smomma & A Pink Straight Jacket, thanks! I think Kate is definitely in image improvement mode...this week. How long will it last?
Kate wrote: The patio was not built for a family of 9 plus a dog and I felt that if we expanded it, we would spend more time outside doing barbecues and making more memories. I accomplished that goal around the little kids’ birthday in May...
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That is so pathetic. Making more memories? The best memories of my childhood are those of summer days of pool parties with school friends on the flagstone patio and deck, which were not very large, and so we ran in the grass. The memories, however, were enormous!
Kate equates memories to materialism. She has much to learn.
Sue Buddy, my money is on 10 minutes for this latest mode. Coupon Cabin will cut her loose eventually because she's saying virtually nothing about how to save money, and then she'll be forced to reinvent herself again. But she'll have grifted another free trip to Vegas by then, so she'll consider herself winning. YAY!!!!!
I agree with you PJ's Momma. Determination = bully as far as Kate is concerned. I don't think I have ever seen a bigger bully than her. She keeps throwing that 'determination' word around as if she thinks if she says it often enough it will become a warm and fuzzy thing. Not going to happen Kate. You are a controlling bully.
Sue Buddy, you have another winner. Thank you.
I find it so sad that Kate's world seems to swing between need for pick-me-ups and flat out adulation. She's down or she's up, according to this blog piece. There seems to be little middle ground. And her people are there to serve her immediate needs for stroking or fist pumping.
Thanks to Sue Buddy for your latest.
Her absence from tweeting makes me wonder if she has gone to New York today to 'prepare' for her L.V. trip.
For someone so obsessed with fitness, she constantly says she is exhausted/energy depleted. Maybe she should see a Doctor - and have her head read.
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Thank you @fidosmommy. The more I think about that blog entry the more I think she insulted her family insinuating her trust issues, etc., yet her virtual family is just fab!
And you're right, she's either high as a kite or down in the gutter. And whichever it is, she desperately needs support.
I find it so sad that Kate's world seems to swing between need for pick-me-ups and flat out adulation. She's down or she's up, according to this blog piece
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Compensatory narcissim?
I thought her reflections post was on her website, not CC. I don't visit either site so I may be mistaken. If that is her CC post, it is ridiculous. Where in that post does it tell anyone how to save money, what deals are out there?
Carol, this one is on coupon cabin. She has a MUCH more self-congratulatory one on her own website. This is like personal website-lite.
Dear M, C, A, A, C, H, J and L. Please write down in your diaries or journals what parts of your childhood you hold as cherished memories.
Then, when you are 18 or 21, sit down and compare notes with each other and your parents. Thanks.
thanks PJ's momma for the clarification.
I'm beginning to wonder what Kate's job description is that she is fulfilling so well for Coupon Cabin. They said they were pleased. If her job is not to get people to use coupons, what is her job? Just to draw potential users to the blog? She brings them in, they look around and find coupons somewhere?
I have no idea.
My job is to write things and to lead meetings.
If I went into work every day and drew pictures and
polished the meeting room furniture instead, I'd be considered replaceable pretty early on.
Carol, I would go read her personal one for a laugh. Who cares if she gets hits? Her blog sucks and will never generate income. She placed a picture of the girl tups on it, in matchy-matchy nightgowns and even matchy-matchy gifts! It's a hoot!
The coupon site pays Kate to write this stuff? Wow. Maybe I'll apply for a job there as CEO. There obviously aren't any standards as all for job performance, and I'm at least as qualified to be CEO as Kate is to be a coupon blogger.
Sue Buddy said... 175
Happy New Year everyone!
New article just posted:
Kate Gosselin Tweets the Lessons She’s Learned
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Your best yet...succinct and to the point.
oh brother re: article!....Kate could learn a lot about life from you Dallas Lady. I'm with you- I enjoy the small things, simple pleasures, and my pets and family too. Sad Kate will never be happy. I just hope her kids learn to be.
Boy..no tweets from Kate today? Miloandjack must be ready to jump out of a window by now...Can't wait to see her reaction to Kate "ignoring" her all day...lets see if she reaches a new level of crazy...
fidosmommy said... 192
I'm beginning to wonder what Kate's job description is that she is fulfilling so well for Coupon Cabin. They said they were pleased. If her job is not to get people to use coupons, what is her job?.
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Maybe they are just using her for the Gosselin name since they know what kind of person she is.
Just looked at CC. Kate has had heavy editorial help...at least she did with the most current blog entry.
She knows NOTHING about grammar and punctuation; this blog was perfectly punctuated, and I suspect it was cut in length, as well.
"9. I learned that being a single mom is the MOST difficult and often the scariest job ever. Eight children are relying largely on me to guide them, shape them, and care for their needs on a daily basis. In 2011, I felt the weight of this responsibility finally “settle in” and I don’t take it lightly. It’s a huge job and I often feel unworthy of such an important task!"
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Her children rely on her? Well duh. News flash Kate: One child or eight, single or married, that priceless gem of a thought should have occurred to you about 11 years ago. As a parent it's you're job - you idiot.
Funny, up until TLC cancelled the show last year she relied on those kids to care (read "pay") for HER needs. And now the "weight of the responsibilty" is settling in on her? If anything or anyone is a weight, it's Kate. She's a monkey on the back of anyone who comes near her.
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