Congrats to all the finishers, celebs and the just mediocre alike.
http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2011/12/05/kate-gosselin-runs-her-first-marathon-photos/
Sunday, December 4, 2011
Kate completes Las Vegas marathon in 4:59:21
Congrats to all the finishers, celebs and the just mediocre alike.
http://blogs.babble.com/famecrawler/2011/12/05/kate-gosselin-runs-her-first-marathon-photos/
618 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 618 Newer› Newest»Will it ever be disclosed (officially) if there were something fishy going on during the race? If so, how would it be determined, and who would confirm it? Certainly it wouldn't be announced, would it?
Thanks, Sue Buddy. You've got her down and your articles always hit the mark. Well done, again!
http://www.couponcabin.com/blog/post/a-penny-saved-is-a-penny-earned/?s_altid=t.co
Kate has a new blog post up. She starts out buying Christmas gifts for the kids, the girls of course, but soon gets distracted and ends up buying more crap for herself.
Runner's World Magazine
Kate Gosselin ran her first marathon on Sunday, the Rock 'n' Roll Las Vegas Marathon & 1/2 Marathon, finishing in 4:59. According to her shirt, that means... she won? Hey, congrats!
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Found this on facebook page about the marathon. Please do not go to their website and give Runner's World hits. This is all they said about her.
It is very obvious Kate did this for the fame. She chose Las Vegas to get close to the movers and shakers. She wanted the bright lights, big names, big hotels, many days vacation, etc., that she would not have received had she run in the PA marathon. And of course, to get away from her kids for many days. The PA marathon was about a week or two before the LA one. Her kids could have been eye-witnesses to her crossing the PA finish line. To me that is 100% proof she did it for herself and not her kids. How great for her KIDS if they could have been there in person at the PA event. As always, she put herself over her kids.
One day her kids will be aware of the true reason why she went to Las Vegas. And they will be aware that she could have ran in the PA marathon since it was so close in time to the LV one. And two young people died in that marathon making it stand out in PA history.
Oh, my the way, I don't believe she wrote a word of her new CC blog. It doesn't sound like her at all.
And how come her medal isn't around her neck? On facebook, everyone is complaining they ran out of medals. I believe it isn't around her neck because it isn't hers to wear.
If there was a cut off time of 4:30 for full marathon why was Kate and others allowed to run for about 5 hrs? Am I understanding this wrong?
I wonder what sort of times the two "elderly" friends usually run a full marathon. Did they have to slow down so Kate could keep up? hahaha
After the dutiful G8 have offered their mom a thousand high fives X8 and Kate’s self-congratulatory cake has been devoured,
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Yes this is a mother who is all about her children and does every single thing for her children.
Didn't see this already posted but...lot's of pictures of her running and crossing the finish line with Ellen and Paula at Gettys Images.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/kate-gosselin-attends-the-rock-n-roll-las-vegas-marathon-1-news-photo/134866484
There are a lot more pictures on Getty Images Website.
Check out this review of the race at runitfast.com "The Nightmare on the Strip:Rock 'n' Roll Las Vegus Marathon & Half Marathon Full of Sin".
"So, how does CouponCabin work? Check out how I saved over $60 in 1 day using coupons I found on @CouponCabin: http://t.co/rlWAc4tk"
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I call BS on her actually tweeting this. It's missing all of her usual mangled Twitter language. Not to mention the fact that I can't imagine her caring about Coupon Cabin while she is vacationing....I mean, working....I mean, whatever she's doing.
I do feel bad for whoever gets stuck re-writing her blog entries. Talk about a thankless task.
Here is her and Paula and Ellen Crossing:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/kate-gosselin-atends-the-rock-n-roll-las-vegas-marathon-1-2-news-photo/134866495
She did run for charity. "Crones" disease.
It's CROHN'S, Kate, and my best friend from high school has a bag at age 27 because of it.
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Thank you for pointing that out. Kate is such a self-absorb bitch that she probably has no idea what Crohn's Disease or Colitis are...
I've had a Ileostomy for 21yrs because of Crohn's (Oct. 1990).
wait a second folks, diagnosing Kate as a High Functioning Autistic does not add up. Autistic individuals do not crave the attention and adulation from others that Kate does, they would not seek the spot light but seek to be left alone. Does not sound at all like Kate
That photo that is suppose to be Kate in her new CC blog is bullshit. That is not Kate's hand and that is not Kate's kitchen. I checked her kitchen on youtube.com under "chores" and you can plainly see that her kitchen cabinets do not look like the one in the photo. Note the one in the photo has a roundish piece of white wood where it meets the floor. The one in her kitchen is flat.
I think Kate was so busy with "herself" that she couldn't care less about writing an article for her blog. Another way of saying this is Kate couldn't be bothered doing her paid boring job at CC. I think CC wrote the blog for her and included a fake photo and labeled it hers. What do ya'll think?
Maggie -
I agree 100%. Kate is too busy doing whatever with Steve in Vegas to even think of Coupon Cabin.
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wait a second folks, diagnosing Kate as a High Functioning Autistic does not add up. Autistic individuals do not crave the attention and adulation from others that Kate does, they would not seek the spot light but seek to be left alone. Does not sound at all like Kate
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It depends on the autistic. There is a an autistic woman on the speaking circuit who has written a book in which she insists that she has a right to scream at her husband (because she's autistic) and that he HAS to put up with it (because she is an autistic).
She hands out business cards that describe exactly how people are to address her, and how close they may stand to her.
Clearly, this woman craves attention. She's written a book, promotes it, aggressively make demands on strangers, and speaks at conferences. She's not doing any of those things because she wants to be ignored.
Having difficulties interpreting social clues does not automatically make you an introvert, and being HFA is not necessarily incompatible with seeking attention.
HFAs can be very in-your-face, or quite-in-a-corner, or anything in between. It's not a personality disorder, it's an information processing problem.
I have no idea what is wrong with Kate upstairs, but I do tend to agree about people with autism. Some are very extroverted, some are not.
In fact, it can be harder for an autistic who has a more extroverted personality, because they are struggling to take part and make friends and don't understand why others are weirded out and making fun of them. For an introverted who just wants to be left alone, people are more often than not happy to just let them be a loner.
So, looking at the pictures on www.gettyimages.com, there is a girl with a bib number of 58603 crossing the finish with Kate, Ellen, and Paula, how come her chip time is 4:29:37 and Kate's is 4:59:21?
If you really ran all that far wouldn't you be all sweaty? Those ladies don't look like they just ran over 26 miles. They look to refreshed and Paula and Ellen's make up still looks perfect. I don't care if it is cool out. When I go out in freezing weather and shovel I still get sweaty exerting energy. I still don't understand why woman that have raced for years would run slowly for her. I am sure they could have made way better time. How much was Kate paying them for that?
Anita, before we go crazy with conspiracy theories, judging by how mismanaged this marathon is, I wouldn't be surprised if they've had some major chip problems. I don't mean potato, I mean the shoe clips.
Remember there are 1,000's of those little chips that have to function correctly.
It looks like this marathon was one big mess going by all the complaints. It's Vegas, it's a madhouse, not exactly ideal conditions.
I barely break a sweat when I exercise. I'm not a sweater never have been. It was problematic for high school sports because it can look to others like you are not working hard, when you are. Some women just don't sweat that much.
Running is a social sport for many people, it does not surprise me in the SLIGHTEST that two people, paid or unpaid, ran with a new unexperienced runner. It's called helping someone out. The first season I ran cross country my far more experienced friend ran slow with me to help me pace and figure things out. People are nice like that. If someone paid them to come run a marathon with her why not, it's fun for some people.
The conspiracy theories are getting rather out of hand.
My grandson that I raise has "Asperger". It is a socialization disorder, primarily. He does not have a filter and says exactly whatever is going through his mind whether it be rude, nonsensical, or insensitive. He has angry outbursts and expects no consequences as a result of his actions. But if someone else does the same he considers it an injustice. He can be very angry one minute and say hurtful things and in the next as though it never happened.
There is no gray area for people with Asperger. Everything has to be concrete - either black or white. He cannot multitask or is not good at sequencing. People with Asperger do not do well in groups but very well one on one. They are unable to pick up social ques from peers and have terrible timing, i.e. might tell a joke or pull a prank at very inopportune time.
They also do not take direction well and have to be redirected constantly to complete a task and procrastinate quite possibly because they don't know where to start and can't see the finish. They don't have a good sense of direction and often get lost and do not like to be alone.
They are often bullied because they tend to stand out in a crowd, because they are different and do not blend well at all. Particularly troublesome as a teen. They cannot take a joke or be self deprecating. They like routine and tradition and become disoriented to a degree if their routine is disrupted.
That being said he is very intelligent - way over the heads of his peers (except in math due to the sequencing). He reads and comprehends way beyond his classmates. He plays music by ear and makes up beautiful songs as he goes. He says he just plays what "makes sense."
Needless to say life is very hard for him (and for me too sometimes). I have made it my mission to give him joy and peace and lots of attention and he does very well as a result.
The women are sweating (otherwise their autonomic nervous system is seriously in trouble) but it evaporates quickly in the dessert. Runners have a much higher threshold to sweat because their bodies are so conditioned. That and having breathable clothing that wicks away moisture helps.
She ran the race, period. I agree the conspiracy theories are getting wacky and for heaven's sakes, I hope those 2 new friends of Kate's don't get any grief or scrutiny because they may have been paid for in one fashion or another by Kate or her manager.
I agree that the conspiracy theories are over the top. She ran it. They all did. Their official times, recorded by their official timing chips as they ran over the official timing mats, together with the photos, bear that out. Those ladies ran with her out of the goodness of their hearts. Or maybe they were paid - who cares? Maybe they would have thought twice if they could even consider (who would?) that they'd be shredded and attacked for being affiliated with this woman.
Lord, I hope she does something else stupid and outlandish and sooner than later please, so people will move on!
Love you all but gaaa you're driving me crazy with the conspiracy! I've come to realize a lot of things about running are counterintuitive I guess.
At any given marathon, I'm betting there are literally HUNDREDS of people running slower than they could to stay with friends. You often run only as fast as your faster runner in your group. Husband and wives run together, friends run together, running clubs run together, charity groups run together, and so on.
You have to understand that for most people marathons truly AREN'T about times, they are about finishing, as Kate's shirt says. If you know you can't place for a prize you run to finish it and don't worry about your time. People who win the really big marathons and even smaller ones are often ex-Olympians or Olympian hopefuls or other star athletes, if I recall correctly the winner of the Chicago marathon for the past several years isn't even FROM here, he's from Africa and flies over here for it.
it's impossible to come close to that if you aren't those people and many people don't do it for that.
Even though running you would think is sort of a loner sport, for many people it's not at all. Our cross country team felt like way more of a "team" than any other sport I ever played, and I dabbled in pretty much all of them before settling on a few. For many people it's VERY social and it's more about running together rather than trying to get a great time.
Are you sure that Getty image is not the beginning? She said she could hardly walk and had to be helped. The one girl behind looks like she is standing there with her arms crossed and is tapping her foot (image blocking her somewhat).
The women are sweating (otherwise their autonomic nervous system is seriously in trouble) but it evaporates quickly in the dessert.
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I never had a hot sweat sundae. Is it good?
Sorry, couldn't help it...:)
That's another thing too is being in a dryer climate I cannot even remember the last time I worked up a real good sweat even though I exercise all the time.
I'm sure I sweat as all humans do it just doesn't seem to stick around in this climate.
wait a second folks, diagnosing Kate as a High Functioning Autistic does not add up. Autistic individuals do not crave the attention and adulation from others that Kate does, they would not seek the spot light but seek to be left alone. Does not sound at all like Kate
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They would if they were also narcissists. Is autism mutually exclusive of any other disorder or disorders?
They are often bullied because they tend to stand out in a crowd, because they are different and do not blend well at all. Particularly troublesome as a teen.
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Pity Party, my son is best friends with a boy with Asperber's. His mom is an absolute angel and they take my son with them on a lot of their travels. My son doesn't have Asperger's but he seems to be the only one this young man responds well to. (Plus, my son is very kind unlike most of his other 'friends').
Hang in there! :)
Admin, If this is too long or off topic I understand not letting it post.
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High Functioning Autism
I'm going to respectfully disagree. There are charactaristics of HFA that are similar to NPD, but I personally don't see HFA in Kate.
This is long and may seem self absorbed, but it is intended to point out differences in my experiences and what we've seen of Kate.
My son has an official dx of HFA. We work on the interpersonal/social pieces of things all the time. I do not have an official HFA dx, but have been told that it is highly likely, and do have a cluster of dx given over 10 years ago, that are often given years before reaching an HFA dx.
The thing is, we both *care* about the effects of our behavior. We both want to make friends, to understand what comes so easily to others. I may act insenstively, but if pointed out or I see that someone has become upset even if I do not understand what I did or said at the moment, I care that the other person's feelings were hurt. Also, I welcome the opportunity to learn how to navigate better interpersonally, though have little interest (or more likely am totally overloaded) in large social events. I have a wonderful counselor and a few good friends of 15+ years who have helped me learn by a more cognitive/analytical route. They explain the general rules, have helped me develop a repetoire of appropriate responses. I won't ever really understand all of what is missing, but I care. I can feel remorse and regret. HFA does not make me mean to my son, or show little interest in his activities - quite the opposite.
There are a couple of other differences to note. In general people with HFA/Asperger's do not manipulate or lie well or often. Sometimes therapists have to work on when and why to tell 'little white lies' - to explain why it is socially important to do so. I definitely had to learn that as a discreet skill as does my son. He is so unfailingly honest. People with HFA want to make friends, but generally do not have the obsessive need to be in the spotlight like Kate does. It is actually very unlike a person with HFA to be that attention seeking.
My son has very specific and focused interests - trains, genetics and certain aspects of physics. He literally goes through the phases of meiosis with anything he can find to make chromatids and it is all done in the voice of a 'professor' confident and knowlegeable. He is happy when he is sharing his knowledge with someone, but does not see the cues that they are ready to move on when he has been talking for 20 minutes in a mini-lecture/monologue. It is not "I, um, me, me, my..." Unlike Kate, he is not talking about himself all day, and he is only 7.
Seeming aloof, socially awkward, self centered or insensitive can be due to any number of dx or factors. It's possible she has both HFA and NPD and/or any number of other things, but HFA as an explanation doesn't fit from my perspective.
In any case, she is a mess.
Ehhh, maybe Kate ran the whole marathon, maybe she cheated. The reason why there are nonbelievers and conspiracy theorists with regards to that maggot is that she is a f--ing liar who would compromise anything, including her kids, to further herself. She does not deserve the benefit of the doubt IMO.
Dallas Lady said... 154
"Aunt Cathy"--you like that phrase "oh yes" huh?
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BINGO, Dallas Lady!!! Style, too!
Anyway, i dont care that she ran the streets somewhere. But I know we all agree this will be her new faux OCD and she is getting in full swing of using it as an excuse to be out of town and away from her kids every other week, like clockwork. Somebody should start a calendar, making note of all the marathons she attends that are out of town and the in-town ones she ignores.
Bu I gotta say, the funniest thing was when this page loaded and the first thing I see is purseboy! She really is that mentally feeble that she needs her hand-holder ("Steeeeve, LEAD ME!!!!!!!!") where ever she goes. Katie, you are tipping your hand a lot lately regarding your mental disabilities.
AND JUST HOW DOES A SUPPOSED RN MISSPELL CROHN'S? What a useless piece of crap nurse she must have been.
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The thing is, we both *care* about the effects of our behavior. We both want to make friends, to understand what comes so easily to others. I may act insenstively, but if pointed out or I see that someone has become upset even if I do not understand what I did or said at the moment, I care that the other person's feelings were hurt
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This is true of many others with HFA, too, Tess, but there are also large numbers for whom these things are not concerns, and never will be.
The symptoms and manifestations of HFA are not identical in all people with HFA. Some people have more trouble in one area than another, some have difficulties in all areas, and, depending on a number of factors, some people will "cover" to a greater or lessor degree when dealing with others.
Tess also said:
People with HFA want to make friends, but generally do not have the obsessive need to be in the spotlight like Kate does. It is actually very unlike a person with HFA to be that attention seeking.
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Some HFAs DO want to make friends, but many just don't care. Friends are simply not important to them. And, as described in other comments, some people with HFA avoid attention, but others actively seek it out. Attention-seeking has more to do with personality than with the processing disorders that are part of HFA.
You and your son share a desire to have friends, and you do care about your relations with others, and pursue techniques to facilitate those goals. They matter to you, but that does not make those goals a defining feature of autism, nor does it rule out Kate as a likely autistic.
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Tess also wrote
I have a wonderful counselor and a few good friends of 15+ years who have helped me learn by a more cognitive/analytical route. They explain the general rules, have helped me develop a repetoire of appropriate responses. I won't ever really understand all of what is missing, but I care. I can feel remorse and regret.
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Tess, you've done what so many people wish Kate would do. You've looedk at those missing skills and work hard to find the tools to make parenting, friendship, social relationships function as well as possible.
You want those skills. Kate doesn't. Wanting them isn't part of your likely autism, it's part of your definition of what you want your life to be. Kate HAS the life she wants, and it isn't yours.
Those things you value are not important to Kate, and she will never work to lean how to change those areas in her life.
There are forums full of HFAs just like Kate on the internet. These are people who behave very much like her, and are, to borrow a phrase, "loud and proud" about how aggressively they reject neuro-typical people and social behavioral standards.
People like you, Tess, are living their lives quietly and as productively as possible, but the differences between your approach and Kate's don't define the difference between someone who is autistic and someone who isn't. The difference you describe is in how the deficit is approached.
Katie Cry-duh said... 34
I totally agree with you. Kate has lied about so many things over the years it is hard to believe her. I am so happy for her that she found some woman that were nice enough to help her through the race. I live in New York State. When we work out here we sweat. I guess I didn't realize out west it evaporates. I love reading what people have to say on this blog. There are so many wonderful women and men with interesting things to say. But, I guess from now on I will only enjoy reading because every time I express my thoughts and opinions I feel like I am getting my hand slapped.
But, I guess from now on I will only enjoy reading because every time I express my thoughts and opinions I feel like I am getting my hand slapped.
December 5, 2011 6:54 PM
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Don't take it personally, really! It's hard to read tone when typing here, but I don't think anyone slapped your hand. I've been corrected or have been flat out wrong at times, but I move on.
Next!
I'm learning a lot about HFA. Amazing stories here. I don't know what Kate's deal is, but she's missing a chip that's for sure. As Carrie Ann Inaba put it re: Kate, "I've never met anyone so unaware of themselves".
I hope Kate gets back to her kids soon.
Anita said... 20
So, looking at the pictures on www.gettyimages.com, there is a girl with a bib number of 58603 crossing the finish with Kate, Ellen, and Paula, how come her chip time is 4:29:37 and Kate's is 4:59:21?
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Anita, that would be the actual time she ran. Not the time of day she finished. #58603 was faster in actual running time by 30 minutes.
Love you all but gaaa you're driving me crazy with the conspiracy! I've come to realize a lot of things about running are counterintuitive I guess.
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Let's see. The JFK conspiracy theory has been going on since 1963; the RFK conspiracy theory since 1968 with new proof indicating a second gunman. Will we need a Warren Commission on the Kate (KIG) theory?
And to think just a year or so ago it would have been spelled KONspiracy.
Okay, so she finished the marathon. Can she please, please go back to PA and to her 8 kids she carries on about so much all the time and her mediocre once-a-month coupon blog job?
Can she serve a local food mission at Christmas time with her kids without publicity? Can she get through Christmas without whinning how much she spent on doing it for her kids and just enjoy the holidays? Can she share the holiday equally and without lashing out at her ex-husband?
Doubt all of this but it would be nice.
Carezee, for what it's worth, I agree that that Kate and company don't look like people who just finished a marathon. I'd expect sweat no matter how dry the air and even in the cold, too. Especially surprised that their hair still looks too neat for that amount of running. The other thing that's weird about those pix is that Kate and one of her friends are crossing the finish line together; the third is behind them...didn't their chips all register identical times when crossing the finish line? I agree something stinks about the whole thing...lots of things are suspect. Hell, if I were her, and I really did run the entire race, I'd be sure my times varied slightly from my running partners just to show the nonbelievers. I do understand and sympathize with your frustration. I'm sick if Kate getting away with all the lies too, whether or not that includes this marathon
Katie Cry-duh said... 43
Carezee, for what it's worth, I agree that that Kate and company don't look like people who just finished a marathon. I'd expect sweat no matter how dry the air and even in the cold, too. Especially surprised that their hair still looks too neat for that amount of running. The other thing that's weird about those pix is that Kate and one of her friends are crossing the finish line together; the third is behind them...didn't their chips all register identical times when crossing the finish line? I agree something stinks about the whole thing...lots of things are suspect. Hell, if I were her, and I really did run the entire race, I'd be sure my times varied slightly from my running partners just to show the nonbelievers. I do understand and sympathize with your frustration. I'm sick if Kate getting away with all the lies too, whether or not that includes this marathon
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I agree with both of you. I just can't get past the identical times for every single segment of the race. But the marathon was apparently so badly run that we will never know one way or another. I really don't care what happened because she is still a horrible excuse for a mother, whether she can run 26.2 miles or not.
My friend's daughter has Asperger's. She's a senior in college (dean's list most of the time), has had a boyfriend for several years, has had the same job over school vacations for several years, and has an incredible social conscience (vegetarian, Walk for Hunger, animal organizations, women's organizations and more). She's very caring and wouldn't deliberately hurt anyone in a million years. She does have some of the issues mentioned (sometimes awkward with people and obsessive about certain ideas) but her talents and character more than make up for it. There's NONE of that in Kate.
And one last thing before I head to bed -
Steve, I know you read here. For the love of God, stop following this twit around everywhere. Go home and spend some time with your own children. Remember them? Two boys, somewhere in their teenage years? Yeah, they'd probably like to see their dad sometime before Christmas.
Have you ever seen The Amazing Race on CBS? When the winning team makes it all the way to the end, they stand together and literally JUMP on the mat so they have the exact same time.
Can't you see Kate and her new friends stopping at every checkpoint, stand together, hold hands and JUMP onto the thing that calculates times, so they have the exact same time? THAT might be why there were so many boggles and joggles in the LV race. "These 3 women just kept stopping and we had to keep zigzagging around them. They were so annoying."
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Dr. Temple Grandhi? has written several good books about HFA and/or Asperger. My son in particular, unwittingly, makes himself the center of attention, by his actions that are not "cool" as one might say in their teen years. He longs to make friends but has no idea how to do so. He has one good friend who understands him and they interact very well together.
It is the ice breaker that he can never quite pull off, whether it be from their end or his. But, yes, he does like attention and not to sound insensitive, he sometimes thinks what he has to say is much more important than what another peer might say, and generally it is (in a sense) because he does not make small talk. He likes to get to the gist of the matter. Such as his opening upon meeting some one new might be "do you believe in aliens or do you think there is life on other planets. Do you believe in a parallel universe." I have to remind him sometimes that in order to make friends he has to show an interest in what that person like to talk about and do as well. His response might be they want to talk about rap, and I hate rap.
It was funny, when he was younger, the kids in his class were trying to teach him how to be cool (he is highly opposed to being cool, he thinks it is just wrong). I asked him what they said and he demonstrated how they told to stand around like this and to look around the room this way; basically, in a sense telling him to be still and be quiet for a moment. It was funny.
It is sad situation as there is really no cure or treatment and they don't know what causes it or if it is even real. Apparently, it also does not improve with age. I personally think it is the product of the new age that we live in whether it be environmental or some type of medication taken when pregnant - some say immunizations, etc. My sister thinks it may be due to the mandated tight buckling in of newborns in a such a manner that they may have restriction of breathing at times. Sounds strange but she is brilliant and works in the field.
I do see some shades of it in KT, most notably, her statement - I don't see other people and her insensitivity to what others might perceive as an injustice that to her is perfectly understandable - i.e. Joel gate.
amyf said... 45
My friend's daughter has Asperger's. She's a senior in college (dean's list most of the time), has had a boyfriend for several years, has had the same job over school vacations for several years, and has an incredible social conscience (vegetarian, Walk for Hunger, animal organizations, women's organizations and more). She's very caring and wouldn't deliberately hurt anyone in a million years. She does have some of the issues mentioned (sometimes awkward with people and obsessive about certain ideas) but her talents and character more than make up for it. There's NONE of that in Kate.
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Exactly. There is huge variation in how people with HFA behave, how the symptoms manifest, and how they are handled.
Being HFA does not mean someone is a horrible person, but being HFA also doesn't automatically make anyone a good person, either, and it can make being a "good" person a more complicated or more difficult thing to achieve.
For instance, people with HFA can be fantastic, dedicated and very loyal employees when matched with the right jobs, because, where there is only one task or goal, that person can have killer focus, and the ability to get the job done without distraction.
Being HFA doesn't automatically prevent anyone from setting positive goals and achieving them, and, ironically, some HFA traits can be useful in learning how to deal with the deficit areas.
Kate is an extreme (bad) example because she's owned and embraced the traits that prevent her from forming positive relationships of all kinds (including with her children), and she has no awareness of, or interest in, how dysfunctional her behaviour is.
There are extremes at the other ("good") end, too, like Tess, and amyf's friend's daughter.
HFA refers to the processing deficits in the brain, not to the way each individual adapts, or fails to adapt, to those deficits.
Hi everyone.I can't believe she actually finished the race, but not much interested in any conspiracy theory, since I don't care enough really.She's a media whore.
Sorry, Admin,OT. Hi Teresa!!!! Dwindle, I couldn't post over there, will try again.Illegal something in my url???WTH??
I might also add that there is no particular standard for making that diagnosis/non-diagnosis. It manifests differently in everyone with the one common denominator being the need to enhance their socialization skills.
Um: 50 years old is NOT elderly! Elderly is like....someone's older grandma or something. Geez poster. Thanks a lot. Hope you look like Hades when you're an "elderly" fifty!
Pity Party said... 51
I might also add that there is no particular standard for making that diagnosis/non-diagnosis. It manifests differently in everyone with the one common denominator being the need to enhance their socialization skills.
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That's not correct. Here are the current diagnostic criteria, from the DSM IV:
http://www.autreat.com/dsm4-aspergers.html
Symptoms, and intensity, vary from individual to individual, but these are the current guidelines.
The DSM is being overhauled now, and the new version is expected in 2013. It is anticipated that the separate term "Asperger's" will be eliminated, and these symptoms will become part of the autism spectrum, at the "high-functioning" end, hence "High-Functioning Autism".
Visited the Facebook page for the RnR marathon and one poster referred to people being given rides to the finish line?
I don't know if anyone else posted the same exact scenario, but I think I have it figured out JUST what happened with these exact times.
The marathon started where runners ran northbound on the Southbound lanes of the Strip, down by Mandalay Bay. They continued to the end of the strip, cross over and run Southbound on the northbound lanes until they reach Mandalay...that is half way, then they cross back over where they started and continue to do the same circuit one more time until they come back south to finish right by Mandalay again. You could say there are 4 legs to this whole race.
Kate and Paula ran together up leg 1, turned and came down leg 2. There were porta-pottys at mile 11.5 on the second leg, which also would be at mile 24.5 and the way back down again if you look at the map. SO Kate ran 11.5 miles, her and Paula stopped at porta-potty at 11.5 miles, Kate went in, took off her chip and cracked the door to give to Paula. Paula attached it along with her own chip and took off.
On the way back down, at mile 24.5, Paula stopped at the same porta-potty where Kate had been sitting inside the whole time so no one would see her milling around waiting for 2 hours. Think about it; runners would knock on a door and then wait for the next one that opens up. Kate stayed in there for half of the race so no one could report seeing her standing around or needing to be picked up by the sag. Paula and Kate had a knock code, letting Kate know it was her. Kate jumped out of porta-potty, did not bother to switch the chip back for fear of being seen messing around with the chip, and ran the remaining 2 miles side-by-side with Paula, who was still wearing Kates chip all the way to the finish. When they reached the finish line, they held hands and stepped across the finish line at almost the same second. Those observing would have known nothing differently. Now Kate has an alibi as to why the times were the same, because her and her lifelong friend wanted to cross together.
This would explain how the timing at checkpoints were EXACT. Paulas foot hit the checkpoint sensor wearing both chips while Kate camped in a porta-potty for over 2 hours.
Anxiously awaiting others thoughts (NLAN?) on this. I cannot come up with any other logical explanation. Again look at the course map and see that what I came up with is very plausible and it would keep Kate from being seen standing around waiting. Unless I have my facts wrong about the published course, this is totally possible.
I would like to know if anyone had reported or took pictures of Kate AFTER the half-way point? That would debunk my whole theory, and that's fine.
@HERE'S HOW IT WENT DOWN...Congratulations, you've made me embarrassed to be a "hater." If this is a joke, you've made a good point.
On another blog a woman was saying that her husband has run over 100 marathons....and his opinion was that bibs were passed.
Food for thought.
I am not big on conspiracy theories but this is FAR too coincidental. Same times more than once? Doubtful. Down to 1/100th of a second more than once? Hmmmm.
Kate had a chip on her shoe when she crossed the finish line. There are photos are both of them. Am I missing something in your theory.
HERE'S HOW IT WENT DOWN, no offense, but I think once the pictures are out and you can look up any and all pictures by searching for bib numbers, your theory will be debunked because you'll be able to see each person wearing only one chip throughout the race. The official photographers are all throughout the route. After you run, they e-mail you tons of pictures of you wearing your bib - and even some of others wearing numbers similar to yours. You'll be able to look at their shoes and see one chip. The chips are orange plastic things clipped to laces. Not easy to hide.
I just don't get why people can't accept she did it. Should she focus on her kids and not her running or traveling around? Of course! But she probably never will - and that doesn't make her a cheater for this race. I feel for those ladies, who are probably very nice and innocent in this and being portrayed as some evil co-conspirators with Kate. They probably barely know her.
SO Kate ran 11.5 miles, her and Paula stopped at porta-potty at 11.5 miles, Kate went in, took off her chip and cracked the door to give to Paula. Paula attached it along with her own chip and took off.
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That's reaching pretty far. You should write a novel.
Mel, I saw that too, but times are not recorded by bibs, they are recorded by timing chips. Swapping bibs would not accomplish a thing. If these two paced each other, it's not that far-fetched that their feet crossed the timing mat the same time, especially if they were running in synch. Kate's known for being in synch - remember Lillian Glass's pointing out that she matched Steve's footsteps? LOL!
I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or delete that conspiracy theory......
Admin, do all three, but please delete it.
If anything her completing the marathon just suggests to me that the one and only thing she ever really worked sincerely hard at and was determined about was naturally, all about her. I'd love to see her work half as hard at parenting her kids. And by parenting I don't mean whipping out a wooden spoon.
I guess maybe because I used to run is making me not so conspiratorial? I ran before I realized how absolutely miserable and painful it was, then I switched to other sports. It's entirely possible to run in sync with someone. If anything, you sort of naturally do it, match each other's pace and stride, left right left right. It's easy, and it's what you naturally tend to do!
The pic of them crossing something shows they were indeed running stride for stride right down to the legs perfectly hitting the mat at the same time. It's not only completely possible, but probable when you are running side by side with someone.
Admin? You know how you always end your sentences in a question mark? Could you stop? It's very annoying.
Maggie said... 58
Kate had a chip on her shoe when she crossed the finish line.
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She also has a chip on her shoulder. All of the time.
I want to add though that's not to say people don't cheat in marathons, it's well documented they do and often. I just see a reasonable explanation for everything. Besides, those two women run a lot. You can get permanently banned from marathons if you're caught cheating, why would they risk their true passions just to help some celeb they presumably just met? That's just ridiculous.
For one, people are making a HUGE assumption that the chips are 100% accurate all the time, and it's an erroneous one.
I don't accept that she did it. She did some of it...I'll give her that. But those matching times cause me to question just exactly HOW it got done. If it wasn't for those I probably would have accepted without question that she did it.
But those matching times appear to defy logic and reasonableness. Ya gotta admit that it's really fishy.
How many times has that happened in other races with other runners I wonder. If it's a provable common occurrence I'll give it to her. But it sounds like real runners are saying this is highly unusual.
We know that Paula had the address of Beverly Hills like Kate did. That tells us 100% that Julie (her manager) signed them up together and therefore they were to be best buddies throughout the race. Remember Kate only switched to a full matharon around the time she announced (twitter) that she just meet 2 running buddies. I think she meet Paula--no doubt--at the Penn satelitte speech and Paula encouraged her to switch to a full marathron. Paula probably mentioned how she and her sister participated in many past matharons and could show her the ropes. When Kate had her manager switch her to a full race she also told Julie (manager) about the 2 new seasoned runners "friends" she just meet at Penn. Kate probably told Julie she wants to run and hang out with them so Julie arranged it for the 3 of them to go together--along with Steve.
My take is we know Kate doesn't like to be my herself in new situations. Remember that Steve has been my her side for EVERY event of hers for the past 5 years. Well, Steve doesn't run and therefore Kate would be all by herself in the throngs of strangers for many, many hours of running. I think Paula literally, and purposefully ran side by side with Kate knowing that Kate's manager set the whole thing up and this was her job per say. And Paula and Ellen (sister- who ran 1/2 marathon) probably got a free trip out of it.
I don't think there is any conspiracy or "cooking the books (tags)". I think Paula (being comped by Julie) knew she only went on to this race to literally ran side by side with Kate and that is how their timings are the same. And I think 2 of their times are one second apart so there are some difference--however small.
I think it's funny that the 2 that ran with Kate...and Kate don't look like they've even broken a sweat. The one in the leopard print headband has a full face of make-up on.
I don't always end my sentences in a question mark but I'll stop when you pick a name and stick with it. THANKS??????
Paula stopped at the same porta-potty where Kate had been sitting inside the whole time so no one would see her milling around waiting for 2 hours.
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Kate wouldn't go into a porta-potty if her life (or outcome of the race) depended on it, much less stay in there for two hours! What is she sitting on? A germy, disgusting toilet seat?
Thanks for the laugh, though...
Wow boyson, I can't imagine. I'd love to hear your story sometime, to the extent you're comfortable. This kind of thing is close to my heart after watching dear friend go through it, especially at her age. Lots of hugs and tears.
Getting close to cutting off the conspiracy theories like I'm the bartender.....
Kate don't look like they've even broken a sweat. The one in the leopard print headband has a full face of make-up on.
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Sweat evaporates, especially in dry climates, especially when it's cold. You don't sweat as much when it's cold, and some women don't sweat as much as others.
Make-up these days especially high quality make-up can last even through intense workouts. Many types of makeup are built to withstand moisture, walk down any makeup aisle and you'll see "waterproof." If it's important to a runner to wear make up (whatever) and experienced runner would know to buy long-lasting, waterproof makeup.
Enough!
Pity Party said... 48
Dr. Temple Grandhi? has written several good books about HFA and/or Asperger.
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If anyone's still awake in the eastern time zone, Animal Planet is rerunning a program about her (Temple Grandin) called "Saved" at 3 a.m. (in about an hour and a half). I didn't see it listed again in the near future but I'm sure it will show up at some point (I recorded it earlier but haven't watched it yet).
Regarding Kate Gosselin and Autism -
This debate has been going on for years. I am a mom of several kids with Autism/Asperger's. I have a background in education. I'm not a trained psychologist, so take my opinion for whatever you think it's worth.
I have observed Kate for several years now. I do not believe that she has an type of Autism Spectrum Disorder. I fully agree that she has NPD. Her behaviors fall much more in line with that diagnostic criteria than they do with autism.
You may disagree with me and that is your prerogative. However, I will tell you how my stepson, who has Asperger's, reacted when I read the first few comments on this topic here tonight:
"Aw man...NO!!! I don't want people lumping me in with her! I have enough challenges without being compared to her!"
This was the young man who, when I first started watching J&K+8, stated that Kate wasn't a nice woman and asked why I wanted to watch someone who bullied and treated other people so meanly? He loathed the way she treated Jon. He hated the way she treated her kids. He had her pegged for the phony she was from the get go.
My kids have challenges but they have so many strengths and we are incredibly blessed. And if my son says Kate Gosselin does not have Asperger's Syndrome, I think I'll take his word for it. He's a pretty insightful kid.
Hey Jude...same here...sometimes l get lucky, but not lately. I miss ya girl :(
Anita said... 20
So, looking at the pictures on www.gettyimages.com, there is a girl with a bib number of 58603 crossing the finish with Kate, Ellen, and Paula, how come her chip time is 4:29:37 and Kate's is 4:59:21?
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Because not every runner starts at the same time...
Anita, the woman with bib 58603 must have started the race after Kate did and in the appropriate corral group. Lots of complaints that people like Kate started in a corral they had no business being in (she was in the group who estimated they'd finish in 4 hours). If you go to the Facebook page for the marathon, lots of complaints from real runners who had to run around people like Kate who were basically walking but selfishly started in a corral they were not qualified for. Interesting that the half and whole marathons merged got even more confusion, crowding, and chances to cheat.
I thought Christmas was for buying presents for others. According to Kate's Coupon blog, she bought items for herself. Were they her Christmas presents from herself to herself? What a self-involved woman. Also, the blog clearly wasn't written by her. The wording is too logical.
Bottom line: It's always about Kate.
I have a boss who reminds me a bit of Kate when it comes to being antisocial. Boss isn't a narcissist or attention seeking, and she certainly isn't autistic, but she is an extreme introvert. The boss is amazing at public speaking, running meetings, schmoozing donors, etc. However, she has to be "on". If she is going about her business, walking from point A to point B, she won't even answer you if you say hi or acknowledge her. We have many volunteers she doesn't give the time of day. I've introduced my aunt to her and she sort of grunted and walked away. She goes WAY out of her way to avoid conflict and avoid talking to employees (her job) to the point we are supposed to go to our direct supervisor (one person below her in our small organization) with EVERYTHING. This may sound reasonable, but in our organization that requires workers 365 days a year, it is ridiculous. Most of my coworkers (paid and volunteer) see her as nasty and way above everyone else. Most people avoid her at all costs. I believe that is exactly what she wants because she is too antisocial and shy to deal with us. Being nasty to the little people and keeping us away from her is her coping mechanism and a way to ensure we won't bug her unless absolutely necessary.
Credits to Preesi....
Courtesy of RWAMandalaybegsThis was totally not a marathon run it was a marathon publicity stunt and there are several participants that are going to go public. There are pictures of Kate 45 minutes after the start and she's standing on the curb, not running, not participating and no way a part of this scam. This was a publicity stunt. KTNV Channel 13 has a picture of Kate standing on the sidelines while the race was underway, Steve standing behind her. Total scam.
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@Silimon @77- my gson hates KT, too, and did so before me. He comes unglued whenever he sees her on TV, and grabs the remote. He says she is mean to her kids and he can't stand to see anyone treated badly, especially little kids.
Amyf@47 - thanks I will look for that.
Now that you mention it@51. I guess I should have phrased that differently. I am aware of the DSM. I was trying to say that not everyone who gets the diagnosis meets every single criteria but all meet the socialization criteria.
I agree enough with the conspiraspies, my goodness!
And a poster actually said don't go to Runner's World site? I seriously hope she was just specifically referring to an article about Kate, because that is a great resource for runners. So let me say, Go to Runner's World site and get good info :-)
Admin, I barely sweat either, and I am currenly in fhe deep south. Even when I gave birt, naturally, no drugs, I did not sweat. I use a dry sauna and I barely sweat, I have to use a wet sauna to get any kind of 'drippage' and I love it! I do however turn brifht pink, and on a bad day,red, and it can last up to two hours, so embarrassing! So yeah, some people barely sweat. Maybe we have underactive sweat glands?
Please excuse the typos, I am still adjusting to using an on screen keyboard and a smaller screen (new tablet).
Thanks!
I say enough of the judgment from those who don't believe that there just might be a conspiracy regarding the race. There's enough out there to justify people's suspicions IMO. Insisting that it's not weird that Kate's not sweating after running 26 miles and synched times to the hundreth of a second aren't curious is your perogative but in no way disproves that something just doesn't smell right about this whole marsthon.
Haven't read thru all of the comments so please excuse me if this has been posted. There is a story on Kate on Gather.com about her running the marathon. One of the comments said that she was invited by the planners of this marathon called Competitors. They paid Kate to be there. That would explain a lot. She would never spend her own money for anything like this. And I think something is fishy cos she did not even look winded when she finished. I don't know alot about running,but some of those trained runners looked awful when they finished. Kate looked like she took a stroll in the park. We need someone on this blog with great detective ability to find out what happened. We all know that she never finishes ANYTHING.
Once again, something's not right but who knows what it is. Once again,the known facts/clearly obvious don't jive with Kate's words. A la not-a-nanny,no boob job, and on and on. Shaking head.
Once again it appears that Kate is just living in her head, the facts being severely twisted as usual.
Once again there are enough discrepancies to justify extreme suspicion of Kate's version of thr truth.
NT #88 which gather article had the comment?
She ran the race. Period. What is interesting is the addition of the two sisters as her running companions. I totally agree that they substituted for Steve as her companion during the race. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong psychologically with Kate that she cannot be without a companion. What is up with the dependency? It was pretty obvious when she was married to Jon how much she depended on him. Same now with Steve. They are companions (sexual or not) but this whole lie about him as her bodyguard/manager is bizarre. If Steve ever left her, and there was no one to take his place, I think she'd go off the deep end.
Teresa said... 83Credits to Preesi....
Courtesy of RWAMandalaybegsThis was totally not a marathon run it was a marathon publicity stunt and there are several participants that are going to go public. There are pictures of Kate 45 minutes after the start and she's standing on the curb, not running, not participating and no way a part of this scam. This was a publicity stunt. KTNV Channel 13 has a picture of Kate standing on the sidelines while the race was underway, Steve standing behind her. Total scam.
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Is there a photo to go along with this claim?
Katie Cry/duh said... 87 Insisting that it's not weird that Kate's not sweating after running 26 miles and synched times to the hundreth of a second aren't curious is your perogative but in no way disproves that something just doesn't smell right about this whole marsthon.
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And there's nothing wrong in asking for proof. What good is saying something doesn't smell right?
NT said... 88 Haven't read thru all of the comments so please excuse me if this has been posted. There is a story on Kate on Gather.com about her running the marathon. One of the comments said that she was invited by the planners of this marathon called Competitors.
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Do you have a link?
Found it.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980857497
The only red flag I have detected is that she made a point to say that she "ran every step." So sad that a person has blatantly out and out lied so much that it is hard to believe a word she says. If she did run every step, it is too bad that she invites all these conspiracy theories.
All this talk about marathons has inspired me- I need a motivator after I get out of the military to stay active, very active, and I think marathon training will be it. I may not ever run in marathon, but training for them will provide me with a continued goal.
I hear running is addictive- is this true? Maybe Kate has a new obsession. Admin you mentioned it got too much for your body, or something? Were you running a lot? I am just curious. I do think Kate may have found her new hobby. I just found RnR marathon is having one in Savannah- maybe I'll attend, and check it out.
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It was my understanding that your time is not based on which corral you run in. The chip is not activated until you cross the starting point. Every runner's chip starts at the same mat, doesn't matter which corral you start in. So you should be able to compare runner to runner their times. Of course you have to check if they ran the full or 1/2.
I did find it interesting when Kate posted her time she said her TripX was 4:59 and 21 seconds.. NOT her RunX. Is that marathon speak? Trip vs. Run?
Kate has mentioned that she wants to sign up for Competitor's 2012 Madrid marathon, so I guess that's her new angle since she's not believable as a "Mom" any more. And I guess Kate's Typhoid Mary curse holds up, chaos at the L.V. marathon, she does bring disaster to everything she's associated with.
This marathon looks like a scam to get as many participants as possible, not to help Crohns or for real runners. If this disaster took place at any of NYC mini marathons, I can guarantee you, the NYPD would shut it down stat & fine the operators. Runners were complaining about how 2 lanes merged and they were dodging other runners & walkers, lack of basics creates dangerous running conditions. So what did Competitor do, create a separate lane for Kate & her 2 friends?
And I don't know any female runners or joggers who goes out with full makeup on. Kate showed the world her botox, but those 2 have it speckled on. Except for the few brides, I did not see any women with make up on.
BTW, Kate if you read here, how is your stay at the Four Seasons in Las Vegas? Your fan outed you on your own twitter, you idiot.
Katie Cry/duh said... 87
I say enough of the judgment from those who don't believe that there just might be a conspiracy regarding the race.
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You're right. Sorry, I didn't mean to judge, it's just that as you know, sometimes we can harp on the little things or the less-than-plausible things. But, you have me thinking that perhaps there is evidence out there to support the theory that Kate phoned it in.
I do have to say, despite the sweat or no sweat issue, Kate did look very fresh at the end of the race. I remember seeing photos of Oprah towards the end of her marathon and she looked absolutely spent, exhausted and stick-a-fork-in-her done.
Time will tell and hopefully the truth will come out about Kate running every step of the race. Like Dr. Phil says, past behavior predicts future behavior and if Kate could tell bald-faced lies about her suddently ample chest, then she could tell a whopper like this.
Cheers.
I don't know whether she cheated or not and don't frankly care, but I did see one interesting tidbit... She claims she had to be "helped" across the finish line, but I've seen a few photos now of her crossing the finish line with her running buddys and she looked fresh as a daisy - no one helping her limp across the line that I could see.
Butterfly I personally found running painful, it hurt my knees and my chest, and since I was running in a mostly cold climate at the time, I found it hard to breathe. It can be hard on your joints so be sure to talk to a trainer, someone who has run a long time, join a club or at least read a book about it.
The reason a lot of people say running is addictive is because it is. There is something called the runner's high where natural endorphins kick in that make people feel good. I've never been able to experience it but a lot of people have. On the flip side, you have to be careful of runner's high, because it can make you feel so good that you're not feeling pain you should, like in your knees.
Well, that didn't take long. Clearly, CouponCabin's latest craptastic Kate Gosselin column was not written by her. Only three ! in the whole thing? Not believable. There is also a photo of her supposed Ulta purchases with someone's hand in the background--NOT Kate's hand (fingers way too short, RED nail polish?).
What is the point of this charade? Could they really be getting so many additional hits by promoting an obvious coupon neophyte? I'm not convinced.
Courtesy of RWAMandalaybegsThis was totally not a marathon run it was a marathon publicity stunt and there are several participants that are going to go public. There are pictures of Kate 45 minutes after the start and she's standing on the curb, not running, not participating and no way a part of this scam. This was a publicity stunt. KTNV Channel 13 has a picture of Kate standing on the sidelines while the race was underway, Steve standing behind her. Total scam.
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Interesting. I'd love to see that photo. I can tell you when I ran distances 13-15 miles, stopping for a more than a brief period of time caused me to tighten up, making it very, very difficult to get back into the rhythm of my stride and breathing again.
So, I find that very odd, especially if she stopped only 45 minutes into the run. Perhaps it was due to the reported traffic jams on the course?
Where are the photos of her stopping? The problem is that doesn't prove much other than she stopped for at least a moment. The woman finished the race in a long five hours. There was plenty of time to stop.
Butterfly, apparently sweat amounts are genetic and some don't sweat as much as others. Also, if you tend to get red-faced that is another way for your body to release heat, by bringing blood to your face, instead of sweating. It's also possible, knowing the finish line was just ahead, runners patted their faces with a towel or one of those little disposable sweat blotters knowing there were going to be photos, just a thought.
I gleamed this from an article at of all places, Runner's World.
http://sportsdoc.runnersworld.com/2011/05/help-i-cant-sweat.html
The reason a lot of people say running is addictive is because it is. There is something called the runner's high where natural endorphins kick in that make people feel good. I've never been able to experience it but a lot of people have.
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Running is addictive. I'd skip meals just to spend time running. I loved it and while it was not hard on my joints (at least at the time-- I may pay later), I experienced symptoms of compartment syndrome when I tried to push farther than 15 miles or so. Sometimes the symptoms would come on earlier.
Life changes, moving etc. decreased my running but I'd love to get back to it for just a couple miles at a time. It burns calories like nobody's business.
And yes, I did experience the high a lot. It's an amazing feeling. It's like... life is good, so good. Positive thoughts flowed. My nostrils flared with joy and excitement.
Other times, it was painful in how hard I had to exert (work 8-10 hours a day and them go run, Kate) to finish my runs. Some days I did not feel like facing the freezing cold of rural PA; so cold at times that freezing rain numbed my thighs and cold air caused me not to be able to feel air going through my nostrils! The pay-off was accomplishing even though it kicked my ass.
It's a terrific sport and a great social hobby, even.
I think one of the drawbacks too as pointed out is that it can consume a LOT of time. I get in a quick, hard workout for 25 minutes and I'm done, or I do a soft jog or brisk walk while walking the dog since dog needs to be walked anyway. But when I was running you can't just do it for 25 minutes if you want to be serious about a marathon, you've got to devote hours to it. I think a lot of people simply can't devote that kind of time, nor is it good for them or their family to devote that time. I know a lot of fights among family have come out of this sport more I think than most other sports--it's all over the forums, My husband/wife/kids/etc. don't understand, etc.
TLC stinks said... 91
Something is SERIOUSLY wrong psychologically with Kate that she cannot be without a companion. What is up with the dependency?
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I thinks it's funny how she brags about how strong she is and how she can do anything, yet she always needs somebody to hold her hand in order to do it...like a child would.
She's really a weak scardy cat. How she acted after doing the sky jump PROVES there is something deeply deeply wrong with her mental state.
Interesting thought...the (supposed) pap pics of her 10 mile practice runs at home....she looks like hell. It's scary how awful she looks in those pics.
And here she runs 26.2 miles and looks like she just breezed in from a vacation somewhere.
We will probably never know if she cheated since Competitor Group sponsored her. They don't want it out there that their tracking system may be fallible and the marathon was so poorly organized. It would take some sleuthing to figure it out and no one seems to care enough. Whether or not this group chooses to affiliate with a part-time jogger/farce in the future is up to them. She seems to have brought nothing positive to the race itself, just lots of pats to her own back.
Admin, that was an interesting article, thanks. I do read about running and many of my shipmates run and are more than eager to share advice, plus I can always visit the doctor whenever I need to. That finish line photo of Kate does make me go hmmm...only because after I finish my 3 1/2 mi run (nothing compared to a full marathon!) I am bright pink in the face and my hair, even though in a pony tail, is a mess! LOL. Oh well. I am still happy for her for finishing. Her next marathon is Madrid? With all the marathons in the US? I guess she found her way to travel.
Interesting thought...the (supposed) pap pics of her 10 mile practice runs at home....she looks like hell. It's scary how awful she looks in those pics.
And here she runs 26.2 miles and looks like she just breezed in from a vacation somewhere.
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That's what bothers me. She doesn't look like she ran anywhere. At least she could have thrown water on herself, messed her hair up, had mascara dripping down her face. Reminds me of the commercial for rice crispie treats where the woman throws flour into her face to make her look like she slaved for hours. She could have at least done that!
The Madrid race gives you a full six hours to finish, perfect for her. I can just imagine how crazy that race will be. It is after all, Madrid.
I don't get the obsession with travel anyway. I love to travel, but sparingly. I have no desire to travel on a weekly, monthly basis, it's too much. Usually people I know who desire to travel that much are huge history buffs or art buffs or have a huge adventurous spirit. Kate doesn't seem to be any of that. She is in her own bubble while traveling. I can't quite figure out why a trip to the local spa and a nice dinner out doesn't satisfy her since that's pretty much all she does when she travels.
I don't get it...doesn't this woman need a JOB?? Running marathons and traveling the world for any little stupid excuse will not pay the bills. Is she that financially secure? I thought she needed a job "like yesterday"! Also she manages to find "vacations" that will not include the kids. And then she leaves a week sooner than she has to, so she can have her alone time. And then...to put salt in the wound...she wants praise for these little "trips". Effing unbelievable
To get back momentarily to the twat's twit about her newest (only?) bff's and the fact they are 14 years her senior I would like to take a moment to send her a personal message:
Khate-Thank you ever so much for pointing out the age difference. Had you not mentioned it and after seeing pictures of the two (was it at preesi's?) I would have assumed YOU were the oldest of the group.
Cruella Deville called. She wants her face back.
It's just so inconsistent with what she said. I thought she had to support her kids. There's no way this supports them, I doubt this even breaks even! Even if she got paid to sponsor a few things how much could that possibly be?? Only a very few people can make money off this, especially a sport like this. It's not like it's a "sexy" sport like football or basketball where there's potential to make millions (even in those sports only a few achieve that). It's marathons. How much of the children's money is she spending to fund this little dream of hers?
If celebs could make real money off something like this you would see them all trying to do with for a career when the acting gigs dry up.
An old college buddy of mine is training for the Olympics, he has a web site, huge support team, fans, etc. But he's not making any money at this. He's living off reserves. This is not a career, it's a dream. He doesn't have a family to support, and if he did, I doubt he could do this. By the way, looking at the web site photo of him is scary, he's so lean. He looks so different.
I forgot where I saw this, probably 60 minutes, but they were talking about minor league baseball players and how all these young kids have these big ideas about making huge amounts of money in sports, when the reality is only a small percentage of even those that make the minors and majors make money. The minor league players were making something like $30,000 a season. You could make more at Subway.
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However, I will tell you how my stepson, who has Asperger's, reacted when I read the first few comments on this topic here tonight:
"Aw man...NO!!! I don't want people lumping me in with her! I have enough challenges without being compared to her!"
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The sentiment is understandable, but it doesn't affect whether or not Kate is HFA. She is, or she isn't, irrespective of anyone's desire to have her in that category. Disliking someone does not change who they are.
There are plenty of awful people who are HFA, and plenty of productive, admirable people who are, too. Being HFA doesn't automatically make you a horrible person any more than it automatically makes you a nice one.
In any case, your stepson has nothing to fear. Kate will never be diagnosed, any more than she will seek help for dealing with the issues that cause her such great difficulties in her life.
HFAs think in black and white absolutes. It makes perfect sense that, depending on their specific interests and observations, someone who is HFA would identify Kate as an unpleasant person immediately.
Neuro-typical people see shades of grey, and are more likely to excuse or explain the horrible behavior Kate demonstrated from the start. As they did, in droves, and still do.
Someone who sees the world in absolutes would have no trouble at all seeing Kate's behavior for what it is. It's not subtle, and without the NT social overlay, there's nothing to argue about.
Aspberger's is only recently identified anyway, prior to that, you were just "the weird kid." Prior to putting a name on it, you either figured out how to modify your life to be successful despite being the weird kid, as a huge number actually did, or you didn't.
There have been plenty of highly successful people diagnosed at 40 or 50 years old these days who are thinking ohhhh, so I wasn't just the weird kid. Huh.
Kat, I strongly believe this was Kate's plan all along. To use the kids to get the celeb lifestyle and trips and freebies, but if there were ever a moment where the kids were no longer necessary but the lifestyle could be maintained without them, drop em like it's hot.
And that is exactly what she is doing now, there is no denying it. She got everything she ever wanted, the lifestyle and trips and freebies and she doesn't even have to put up with those pesky kids to get it.
Like all people in a narcissist's life, the kids were merely a tool to achieve something and once you've unlocked the door what do you need tools for anymore? They were promptly discarded the second they were of no use to her anymore.
She only hangs onto them now because if she gives them to Jon, Jon wins. And her fierce desire to never back down makes those kids pawns in her mental illness games. This is really one of the sickest celebrity stories to ever emerge out of Hollywood--er, PA.
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Aspberger's is only recently identified anyway, prior to that, you were just "the weird kid." Prior to putting a name on it, you either figured out how to modify your life to be successful despite being the weird kid, as a huge number actually did, or you didn't.
There have been plenty of highly successful people diagnosed at 40 or 50 years old these days who are thinking ohhhh, so I wasn't just the weird kid. Huh.
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Absolutely true. "Highly successful" also means that other people would never guess, especially if they know little about Asperger's.
Were her new besties also at the 4 Seasons on her or Competitor's dime? Someone had to be paying them to play companion. Great job Competitor, hope you got your &&& worth from sponsoring this biotch, hope she talks you into Madrid, that would be great for another laugh. Run K8 run, maybe it's time to run home. Chidren, what children?
Well now I'll have to pop in on preesi's site. I do like the comment that the marathon sponsor paid Kate to insure publicity. Has this been the case in some past charity marathons? What was Steve doing standing behind her at some curb during the race? Now that is strange.
As far as the makeup goes, I read that many photos were taken of her so it all sounds like a publicity stunt.
Boy, I would love for someone to blow her cover up. I am sick of her getting away with the publicity and lies.
With twittering these days you'd hope someone would be able to call her out. If not, then I accept she ran it.
Before anyone else comes up with a theory like HERE'S HOW IT WENT DOWN, I just want to point out that for the first 13.1 miles of the marathon, the runners ran a totally different course apart from the last 13.1 miles, which was shared with the half marathon.
And I agree with those that say enough with the conspiracy theories. Kate ran a marathon and finished it. You may not want to believe it, but it is true.
Some people are now attacking the runners that ran with Kate, not only here but at other places. I find that totally disgusting.
We may not like Kate, but why do some people find fault with anyone who associates with her. It's not their fault that Kate has people that do not like her. I also hate it when a new fan posts on Kate's twitter, and right away they are attacked for liking Kate.
Sometimes, it is very embarrassing to be a "hater".
If this was really a calculated plan, then she is sicker than I thought or smarter than I thought....or both. How long can she play this "make believe" life? Like she's got all the money in the world. She does not...It always runs out. All of these trips can't be freebies? I have to hand it to her...she has figured out how to still travel AND without the kids.When does the gravy train stop....when she's broke? Or is she under the illusion she is still getting a talk show? Is this what she calls "working"? What a sicko....
My husband is in the mental health field...and his question to me is always "Doesn't she understand that it's over"? Well...DOESN'T SHE??
My husband is in the mental health field...and his question to me is always "Doesn't she understand that it's over"?
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It's fascinating, isn't it? Here is this mother who had a Reality show that showcased the trials and tribulations of raising a big family. What she has morphed in to is truly a result of her desire to be famous, rich and pampered.
I think this entitlement started years ago, when j&K+8 was hot, and they both were becoming media entities and were given a lot, a whole lot of attention and special treatment.
Kate got a taste of that and she's not going back.
I can't quite figure out why a trip to the local spa and a nice dinner out doesn't satisfy her since that's pretty much all she does when she travels.
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Because you have to be able to keep up with the Joneses...to be able to say, "Oh, when I was in the South of France, we did this," or "The LAST TIME I was in Paris, we ate in the cutest little cafe."
It's a matter of bragging rights for her. Travel shows her affluence, that she IS somebody, that she knows people, that she's not down and out, but rather can keep right up there with the best of them. And, she will be able to do it without the kids. It's a win-win situation.
Sad, isn't it?
Oh...she's going back..the universe works very slowly but eventually it does work. believe me...it's not gonna be pretty...
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I don't get it...doesn't this woman need a JOB?? Running marathons and traveling the world for any little stupid excuse will not pay the bills. Is she that financially secure? I thought she needed a job "like yesterday"! Also she manages to find "vacations" that will not include the kids. And then she leaves a week sooner than she has to, so she can have her alone time. And then...to put salt in the wound...she wants praise for these little "trips". Effing unbelievable
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EXACTLY!!
This is why it's very difficult to believe anything Kate utters.
She's a con artist, through & through.
I think the picture for her crossing the finish line might be taken later as a photo op.
My daughter has run the R&R in Phoenix several times. Your picture is automaticly taken as you finish the race. A couple days later you can see it out he race's official site. You can then order the picture if you want to. If you know the runners name and # you can see it too.
I think Kate has loads of money socked away. I mean, think of all of the things she has gotten free over the years---appliances, solar panels, a kitchen remodel, a new vehicle (at least one courtesy of TLC), travel, trips, food, probably tons of stuff sent to her free by many different companies and individuals, etc. On top of all of that, she was collecting her enormous pay checks from TLC. I think she is very cunning when it comes to money.
She was crying poor to garner attention for herself, make Jon look bad, hoping someone WOULD give her a talk show or dating show.
Now it looks like she has the coupon gig and this marathon thing. I'm assuming that Competitor group or whoever they are will be sponsoring her. So, that means more free trips, meals, attention, etc. Insane. No one cares about her. She probably sees herself as a trainer on the Biggest Loser or something along those lines. She's very calculating.
Companies, such as the Competitor Group, while paying her first class expenses such as hotel, meals, airfare, whatever, can't be paying her income, can they?
I don't see how these events (the Aussie trip and the marathon) provide her with income. Even though she probably tells the kids that "mommy has to do this to earn money so you can eat".
Which I don't think is true. I think they're NOT paying her a fee or an honorarium, they're only paying her expenses. If they are paying her a fee, it can't be enough for 9 people to live on, can it?
Anyone know how this stuff works? What would a fee/honorarium for a celebrity be at an event like the latest marathon? A couple thousand maybe? Or do they just pay expenses?
Which is enough for Kate. She doesn't appear to be interest in making money; she just wants the attention and pampering that goes along with being the celebrity at an event.
Just thought of this....the last two events were fund-raisers for something or another.
Chances are that they're not paying out anything other than expenses. Hard to justify to your donors why you paid that stupid Kate Gosselin mega-bucks to participate in your fund-raiser.
Regarding how Kate looked at the finish line,
Her pace after the 23 miles is more of a walking pace then a running pace. Walking the last 3 miles would give her body time to cool off. It would also give the perspiration time to evaporate.
Regarding her latest coupon cabin post.
How do you consider it saving money when you purchased a bunch of crap that you dont need? The best way to save money is to not spend it in the first place. Dont play the I am so poor card and then blow a bunch of money on yourself.
What kind of organization is this "Celebrity" outfit and what do they get in return for sponsoring Kate? Anyone know?
I have a question. I've seen pictures of Kate and her friends running over the time strips or mats, whatever you call them. I've seen pictures of her supposedly crossing the finish line in one. How do we know that is the finish line and not just a regular time strip?
Here's the link to the video of her (and friends') finish:
http://www2.brightroom.com/81841/59615
There are actually like a spool of tapes here which shows the PR in action as she crosses the finish and in the two or three minutes afterward (she stays in the foreground on the lower right, strangely, not moving out of the way of other finishers). Keep an eye on Stevie-boy, who acts like he's tending to a prize fighter. It's all very weird, especially the photo op with her new best buddy Rod Dixon (the guy in the dark coat), who coincidentally (are there really any?) is also a Kiwi.
I don't think the tape proves anything at all about whether she cheated. Have to say, though, she does look awful fresh for having been on her feet and moving for 5 hours.
For god sakes, she ran a non competitive marathon, key words being "non competitive". Who cares if she cheated. That only hurts herself in that she would know that she didn't really do it, and/or her kids by showing them it's OK to take short cuts. Otherwise, big deal.
Saw a PR photo somewhere of Kate Gosselin looking all friendly with New Zealander Olympian runner Rod Dixon who she thanks for advice on Twitter and remarks "See You for you know which city".
Fellow New Zealander Steve Neild also in Las Vegas apparently continuing to act as Kate's official escort/bodyguard/road manager/whatever!
You want Kate Gosselin to finally go away in 2012?
IMO that't not going to happen as long as Steve Neild is in the picture.
In fact I predict we will see even more of this despictable celebrity wannabe and her entourage of 1 (Steve Neild).
I feel so sorry for all the true runners that raced in Las Vegas. I've been reading comments & some of the posted blogs from runners on Facebook and it sounds like it was an awful event.
http://www.facebook.com/RnRLasVegas
One of the blogs even mentioned that there were heated tents for VIP's after the race but that other runners were literally left out in the cold, with no blanket, no water and unripe bananas. Can you imagine training a lengthy amount of time, spending your hard earned money not only on registration but on the trip itself, being treated like crap and then look over to see some washed up reality show loser getting VIP treatment?!
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To get back momentarily to the twat's twit about her newest (only?) bff's and the fact they are 14 years her senior I would like to take a moment to send her a personal message:
Khate-Thank you ever so much for pointing out the age difference. Had you not mentioned it and after seeing pictures of the two (was it at preesi's?) I would have assumed YOU were the oldest of the group.
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Heeheehheeee...I thought the same thing. Kate looks older than 2 women who are 14 years older than she is. Those women look great for their age!
I think she revealed their ages because she was jealous ( or rather...jelus ) that she had to run next to two women who are prettier than she is. But revealing their ages backfired on her. She looks OLDER than 2 fifty year olds...whoa!
That video was a bit telling to me. If Steve was her lover or significant other, she would have gone straight to him. Instead, she went to that other guy and then to her running buddies.
In fact I predict we will see even more of this despictable celebrity wannabe and her entourage of 1 (Steve Neild).
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I believe that Steve insinuated himself into the Gosselin family and brand a loooooooong time ago. For this, I actually blame Jon.
If some other man, bodyguard to whatever, started to cross that line from employee to "advisor" and "decision maker", I'd have him fired. I really would. In a heartbeat. No one should usurp the patriarch's position.
Jon let Steve take over his turf and now, Steve is in control. Why hasn't Kate moved on to a normal life? How about, why hasn't Steve? He is going to ride this for all it's worth. He has as much to lose from Kate being out of the spotlight as she does. Why doesn't go guard someone else's body? Hmm?
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".
For god sakes, she ran a non competitive marathon, key words being "non competitive". Who cares if she cheated.
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I would care if anyone cheated. Saying that its ok to cheat at a non competitive event shows whats wrong with our society today. Its NEVER ok to cheat.
If you're interested:
http://competitorgroup.com/
I actually blame Jon.
If some other man, bodyguard to whatever, started to cross that line from employee to "advisor" and "decision maker", I'd have him fired. I really would. In a heartbeat. No one should usurp the patriarch's position.
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WHAT?
You blame Jon?
He tried to complain. He told Kate he was "uncomfortable" with her traveling with this man. SHE DIDN'T CARE.
What should he have done?
What should he have done?
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Fired him. Stood his ground. Stuck his prick out.
Look, I believe Jon was abused by Kate and I know personally how that can wear one down. But, you can let things unravel around you, or you can take the bull by the horns and say "hey, Steve, you're an interloper and there's only one Sheriff in this town, and it's me".
I think Jon is responsible for being passive and complacent and a victim. It's a harsh thing to say, but he had choices and he pulled back when he should have PUSHED back. I don't think he fought. Objected- yes, but not fought tooth and nail.
Submitted respectfully.
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In fact I predict we will see even more of this despictable celebrity wannabe and her entourage of 1 (Steve Neild).
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I believe that Steve insinuated himself into the Gosselin family and brand a loooooooong time ago. For this, I actually blame Jon.
If some other man, bodyguard to whatever, started to cross that line from employee to "advisor" and "decision maker", I'd have him fired. I really would. In a heartbeat. No one should usurp the patriarch's position.
Jon let Steve take over his turf and now, Steve is in control. Why hasn't Kate moved on to a normal life? How about, why hasn't Steve? He is going to ride this for all it's worth. He has as much to lose from Kate being out of the spotlight as she does. Why doesn't go guard someone else's body? Hmm?
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain".
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Brilliant observations Tucker Mom! All I know is given how ridiculous it is for Kate Gosselin to think she needs nevermind finance Steve Neild's services it certainly does look like he has found a way to keep himself in the picture (literally)!
I would be curious if Kate and Steve Neild's trip to Las Vegas was paid for by a third party. What do u think?
No conspiracy theory necessary. Kate Gossellin ran only the half marathon. No switching back and forth either. Gossellin had Ellen Lamar's chip, and Lamar had Gossellin's, from the beginning. All three of them started out the full marathon, but then Gossellin went off to wait and meet Lamar and her sister at the half. That's why you saw Lamar's times look at screwy and then convert over to a half. That was Gossellin. She met up with them at the half and the three ran together to the end. The first strip they hit together was the 19.5. It was the 19.5 for the full, but the 10K for the half. No one really cares, so they'll get away with it.
I would be curious if Kate and Steve Neild's trip to Las Vegas was paid for by a third party. What do u think?
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I didn't think kate was sponsored until I saw many pics of her doing media interviews with a headset on. Then I thought that perhaps she was expensed to go to Vegas, make appearances etc.
We know that if Kate is paid to go, it goes without saying, that Steve (among other things) is part of her rider.
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No conspiracy theory necessary. Kate Gossellin ran only the half marathon.........
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I have to say, utterly fascinating! Talk about bait and switch...
What do experienced marathoners think about this?
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Don't forget that Steve was named trustee for the children's trust years ago when Kate and Jon trusted him
I don't know whether she cheated or not. I do find it more than odd that she looked rather fresh, as did her new bf's, if they ran 26 miles. I can't say for sure, because I have never run in a marathon, but I don't think I would want to look at a pair of heels the next day never mind wearing them. If she did cheat, what a horrible example to her children.
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Sorry, I don't believe she switched timing chips with anyone. Those other ladies are experienced runners and they risk being banned from all Rock-n-Roll events if they get caught doing that. You're not even allowed to sell your/bib chip if you can't run and can be banned for doing that as well. As for her looking fresh and the other ladies' makeup looking nice, keep in mind that they slowed down - WAY down - and seemed to be walking for quite a few miles.
My sister ran this marathon and a couple of friends of ours went along to support her, the 2 friends told me they saw Kate standing on the side of the route talking to Steve for a very long time. They said it was about an hour and a half into the race. My sister ( who has run several marathons over the years) said this one was a complete joke and people were cheating like crazy.
I wonder if Kate was paid by the Competitor Group because when they negiotated with her she was a tv star with her own show.
I am curious if this group (or any group) will be wanting Kate and paying her for appearances at future martharons. Only time will tell.
...No conspiracy theory necessary. Kate Gossellin ran only the half marathon. No switching back and forth either. Gossellin had Ellen Lamar's chip, and Lamar had Gossellin's, from the beginning. All three of them started out the full marathon, but then Gossellin went off to wait and meet Lamar and her sister at the half. That's why you saw Lamar's times look at screwy and then convert over to a half. That was Gossellin. She met up with them at the half...
That would certainly explain the post on another blog about more than one person seeing Kate standing on a curb during the first part of the race.
I can't see how Kate would think she wouldn't be noticed standing around instead of running.
I can't imagine there's any way her two friends would be a part of this, if it was deliberate. Too much at stake for them.
Is it possible that the bibs were inadvertently switched, and it wasn't a deliberate scam?
If that's the case, Kate....just come clean about it. Don't allow the reputations of your two new bff's to be besmirched. (Hint: You might want to look up besmirched in the dictionary.)
Look, I believe Jon was abused by Kate and I know personally how that can wear one down. But, you can let things unravel around you, or you can take the bull by the horns and say "hey, Steve, you're an interloper and there's only one Sheriff in this town, and it's me".
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In a "normal" marriage with a "normal" wife, certainly this is what should have been done. I think, though, you are underestimating the wrath of Kate. He had to live with her. He already was being abused, and if she wanted Steve there, she wanted him there and nothing, not even grabbing the bulls by the horn would have changed that. The fires of hell in that household would have been more than any man could stand, let alone what the tension and bickering would have done to the kids.
By that time, the marriage most likely was one just for the show, so why stir up the hornet's nest?
I saw the video of her crossing the finish line. Steve was there waiting. After crossing the line, she went to hug some strange man, then the girls, not Steve. How odd. When you finish a marathon, why would she not hug Steve that she accomplished something. And why was he at the finish line?
Very Strange indeed.
I agree, she only did the half.
At the finish line.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/kate-gosselin-atends-the-rock-n-roll-las-vegas-marathon-1-2-news-photo/134866495
The only way the times could be exact for every marker is if Kate and her running partner deliberately set it up that way. (Unless Kate cheated and I would bet money she did not.) The only reason for deliberately manipulating the times is to make people talk about how impossible it is. (Katie Holmes was discussed for years. Her times are still controversial.)
It matters not that Kate ran this race, it only matters that we talk about her running this race. And we are. And if the buzz gets loud enough she will be asked back on the talk show circuit to Set The Record Straight. Her PR team is right on the ball. I hope she pays them well.
PJ's Momma, if Kate WAS in fact part of the PR for the Competitor Group/RNR, then they would know about the cheating. I doubt Paula and Ellen were risking anything. And I can totally see how Anonymous's theory would have worked.
It's so funny on Twitter, Kate's fans have been asking her how the kids reacted to her triumph--do they really think she's HOME? If she's "basking in it all," then you can be damn sure she ain't in Wernersville, PA. Which means it's been a full week away from home again.
What a SuperMom she is.
Rodney Phillip "Rod" Dixon is a New Zealand marathon runner who won a bronze medal in the 1500M at the 1972 Summer Olympics and won the 1983 New York City Marathon.
Yeah, Kate. Just some random guy who was helping you out a bit.
I wonder if the connection here is that Purseboy provided security for this Ron guy at some point.
It's been said that Nield worked for Clinton.
Maybe it's Clinton Kelly? TLC Employee.
Did they sponsor Kate?
http://competitorgroup.com/
An interesting point was made a while back about how Kate got used to the cushy lifestyle TLC and the reality show afforded her and now she's holding on with those acrylic nails all the way to keep it.
When my daughter was very little, my husband and I lived in a little crackerbox house near a river. It was cold and drafty, but the rent was dirt cheap. Neither of us made much money back then, it was early in our careers. I got her Christmas presents the year she was two at the Goodwill store. We were struggling, but very happy.
It was the economic boom of the 90s (ironic!) and my employer sent me to Atlanta to this work thing with some clients. I stayed at the Hotel Nikko in my own huge suite. A king sized bed, mints on my pillow, the company didn't care what I drank out of the mini-bar. We took the clients out wining and dining every night in Buckhead with dinners capped off by expensive desserts, brandy, and cigars for the men. Crazy. Strawberry juice in crystal flutes for breakfast, anything you wanted for lunch, you name it. I felt so spoiled, so pampered. No runny nose or butt to wipe, my only worry was taking care of myself. I was in heaven for almost a week.
When I got back to our little frame house, I noticed for the first time that my toes hung off the end of our second-hand sagging full-sized mattress. We had no bed frame, it sat on the floor. I looked around and REALLY noticed just how lacking, materially, my life was.
But then? My husband came in from work holding our daughter and we had a big long group hug and she told me how much she missed me and we played games until it was time for dinner (boxed mac and cheese and beans).
So what did I care? I had my family, they were healthy and happy and at least I had a bed to sleep in, even if it wasn't some plush king someone else made for me each day.
That's the one essential thing Kate seems to be missing. An appreciation for the non-material things in life. It's what gets us through the hard times and what keeps us humble when things are good. We haven't struggled like that in years. It would be crass to discuss what our life is like now, financially, so I won't. But suffice to say the old sagging full-sized mattress is long gone and our daughter doesn't remember the days when I bought her stuff at the Goodwill store. The drafty rental house is far away in another state and what seems to be another life.
But no matter what I have materially, I still love nothing as much as time with my family, talking to them, being with them, just playing cards or watching a movie together. That is the joy of life. Not things.
Someone like Kate, sadly, will never know that or understand it. In that sense, I do truly feel pity for her. There are eight beautiful healthy children at her house with a babysitter. She has living parents and siblings that she has no relationship with because her biggest and best relationship is with herself and THINGS.
Okay, I have to say, I looked at Kate's pictures of the marathon on the RandR marathon website and have to say I am surprised that the only pictures of her during the race are at the finish line. When I ran my RandR marathon in San Diego, they had pictures at the 5k, the 10k, etc. as did the other people who ran the course. I'm beginning to wonder . . .
Trying again.
“http://competitorgroup.com/”
From Kate's blog, about the night before the race:
Thank goodness for Rod Dixon, New Zealand Olympic runner and 1983 New York Marathon Winner, who I met at the party last night! He gave me great advice about how to run the race and told me that “finishing is winning in your first marathon.” I appreciate those wise words.
Yeah, you appreciated those words so much that you ran right out and had a t-shirt rush-ordered, with those very words emblazoned on it, so you could wear it the next day for the race.
Uh huh.
Man...this woman is systematically trying to con anyone she can get her hands on. I can't believe there's even two people left who doesn't think she's a con man(woman). Can't wait for this to blow up in that lying face of hers. She does everything short of actually breaking the law(I think). If she was a little more of a diviant you could probably call her a phychopath
Mel, I appreciate your incredulity, but if anyone has the chutzpah to pull off an in-your-face falsehood, it's Kate Gosselin. Her lies are legion, as has been demonstrated ad infinitum on this very site, and we have all been aghast at how infrequently she gets called on them. And given her unquestioned skill at lying to get what she wants, I am convinced that her brazenness will only get worse. She is a total PR invention. But her illusions of invincibility are bound to bring her down in the end. It's just a question of time.
Yep Kate and Ellen switched chips. 'Ellen'/Kate took one and half hours to run 5k, that's a 30 minute mile, folks, way slower than walking. Enough time to go stand on the sidelines and subject Steve to one's famous halitosis. Doubt it will ever be exposed, but don't think she ran the entire marathon. No way. Unless there's super duper magic carbs in her donuts and scones.
Dallas Lady, I really enjoyed reading that. You have your head on tight, your priorities straight. When people are happy, they don't always chase after something better. We are quite well off and the thing that gives us greatest joy is giving tons of money away and for me, serving. I am happiest eating a PBJ sandwich with my dogs standing by, waiting for their bites of the apple that will follow, or watching a movie at home with the fire on and munching on microwave popcorn, after eating takeout garden burgers. We live a simple life and we love it. The other night, I was finishing a hat for a homeless ministry I belong to, and my husband looked over and said, "I hope we have many more years like this. It's so awesome." He is an exec so we are often forced to run in some rare circles and so many of those people are completely consumed with keeping up with the Joneses - and they are absolutely miserable! I would never invite them to my home - not perfect enough. True joy comes from within, something they will never get. It's sad.
Do you think the alleged (I say that loosely) cheating was why she was so nervous?
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PJ's momma, thank you. I also meant to add an apology in that post because I don't normally tell personal stories and I know some people don't like them, but it felt very relevant to what we see Kate doing--chasing fame and material things and missing the forest for the trees.
Kids grow up so fast. She doesn't realize it now. What is that saying? When your kids are little, the days are long but the years are short. It's so true. You turn around and they're grown and leaving home. She's already missing out on such big chunks of their childhood and furthermore acting as if some DVDs of a contrived reality show can stand in for real experiences, real memories, and most importantly, real closeness and warmth. They can't and never will. The kids know that on a basic level they can't even verbalize right now. She's 36 years old and doesn't seem to understand that.
Ah well. Thanks again, PJ's momma, I also love evenings like that--just doing nothing much with people I love.
Daisy Girl said... 150
Don't forget that Steve was named trustee for the children's trust years ago when Kate and Jon trusted him
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Hmm...? I am not sure that is accurate. The trustee is a lawyer, I think. Someone with a better memory than me can clarify?
Still trying (sorry, please bear with me).
Red Sky At Night said... 156
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I don't disagree with your point of view. I truly hope that Jon now sees his role in what happened to the Gosselin clan due to fame and money. I hope he's come a ways from his interview with Chris Cuomo, 2 years ago, when he played the victim (well, maybe not "played", perhaps he saw only that side of the coin) and talked about being abuse and losing his 20's.
Unless Kate had a gun to his head, he had choices and his past choices are part and parcel of where they ALL are today.
In being in an abusive relationship and the ensuing feeling of victimization and anger, one has to reflect on their role in the relationship and what they could have done differently to affect a different outcome. For the marriage, the children and the individual.
And I'll get off my soap box now ;-)
Dwindle said... 174
I was a trustee for my brother's children trust. It has been many years ago so maybe there is a different word for it now???
And when Kate say's 'basking in it all", she means "basking in the warmth of the sun, by the pool."
Bets?!
Tucker's Mom said... 178
And when Kate say's 'basking in it all", she means "basking in the warmth of the sun, by the pool."
Bets?!
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Oh, sheesh! If she says that, I'm changing my ID!
Last try.
finish line
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 115
It's just so inconsistent with what she said. I thought she had to support her kids.
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She doesnt need more money. She WANTS it, but she doesnt need it. I mean, who pays a personal full time gigolo / male hooker? Certainly not someone who is clipping coupons at the grocery store on peanut butter. Snort.
I've always figured that her little rant "My kids need for me to have a job on TV, and right now." was just her grifting. Exactly the same thing as "I want paper towels, I want a new toaster, I want I want I want..." and it just appears. She UM HONESTLY UM just assumed that once she announced that her starving little fatherless ATMs NEED for her to have a TV gig, one would appear. Coz she's so entitled, ya know. She probably had an extended tantrum when it didnt occur.
If she needed a paying job, she would have one by now. She would be selling makeup and perfume at Macy's or something. All she wants is celebrity attention and public pampering and 15 days a month away from those kids. She will let her kids go without before she UM HONESTLY UM lifts a finger - the better to blame Jon, my dears.
I don't care if Kate runs 5 miles or 30 miles, she is just not a nice person and did this for the attention. It sure is working. Pics everywhere of her smiling botoxed face. I have a few questions. Please, someone try to answer them. Why, oh why, does this "not a star" need a bodyguard? If he is a road manager, what is he managing and how is he being paid? Is this woman really taking money from her kids to pay this man after she tells the public and anyone who will listen that she does not have any money and needs a job in media to make good money (not mediocre)? No one who interviews her ever asks these questions. Why to that, too?
PJ's momma said... 140
That video was a bit telling to me. If Steve was her lover or significant other, she would have gone straight to him. Instead, she went to that other guy and then to her running buddies.
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No, not when it's being taped.
Dallas Lady (164) -- that was an amazing post. I feel as if I know you and mostly all about your life. There are probably many of us here at an age of "contentment" and achievement -- we have been lucky enough to reap some rewards of a dedicated life. We might have been exposed to or made some mistakes of our own that enlightened us to what is really important. And, what is really quality in and of life. You posted for everyone who has weighed and balanced life
I really do hope that Kate reads here. She needs to absorb your profound post. Thank you.
PS: My son did fix my google account problems. I was Post by MaryAnn.)
Dwindle at #181, thanks for your answers to some of my questions. Grifting does explain some of it and she has perfected that lifestyle. I always have more questions than can be answered because I just don't "get" Kate's lifestyle. Lying and pumping myself up just don't fit in with my way of life at all, so naturally I don't understand anyone like Kate. She is tiring. Those poor little rich kids.
I don't think Kate is dumb enough to hug Steve in public or to get caught doing anything with him in public.
She would've people asking why is she doing that with the bodygurad/road manger/what ever he is that day.
Marie said... 165
Okay, I have to say, I looked at Kate's pictures of the marathon on the RandR marathon website and have to say I am surprised that the only pictures of her during the race are at the finish line. When I ran my RandR marathon in San Diego, they had pictures at the 5k, the 10k, etc. as did the other people who ran the course. I'm beginning to wonder . . .
Marie:
I also looked for my friends who ran the same marathon, and they only had a few pictures up also, so it is consistent. Maybe more pictures will be up in a few days, maybe not. What we read is that it was a poorly run race, so who knows. I know that in past marathons/ half marathons, there were many pictures along the course to choose from.
As for Kate's financial picture, two things are germane to understanding it:
1. She obviously banked a lot of what was made on the kids' backs for six years. She's living off that now. Part-time blogging does not provide a sufficient income for most people, much less someone with eight kids, a huge house, and such big expenses. The money WILL run out.
2. She grifts like it's her job. In fact, the one thing she has probably been MOST successful at is grifting. She has no shame. She most likely got her basic expenses paid for this marathon by the group running it and then she had to kick in for other stuff. She's not a big enough celebrity for them to have kicked in for everything. Brooke Burke ran it, right? Now SHE'S a big enough celebrity to get all her expenses paid for. Not Kate. But she doesn't care--it got her ego stroking and got her away from the kids, her two main goals in life it seems. (The Australia trip, too, was most likely grifted.)
The money will run out, especially with how high her expenses are. The grifting will continue as long as it works. It will change, though. As her celebrity fades (it has already and she wasn't exactly an A lister to begin with), she won't be able to grift as much or things that are as valuable to her as the stuff she gets now (hair treatments in New York is a great example of something that will go away and she'll either have to pay for or find something closer to home).
Getting stuff comped because you are a celebrity IS an exchange, it's just not one you can really see the value of in numbers. The company or person providing the free services, products, whatever is doing it to get publicity from having the celebrity there/using their product. If the celebrity experiences a drop in their public image or they are fading in star power, the company doesn't stand to gain as much by comping them things or services.
So she'll ONLY be grifting free apple juice eventually. Her celebrity was a house built on sand.
No, not when it's being taped.
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She was taped for the RV episode and she certainly did hold Steve in high esteem then, to the point of making sure he didn't eat pizza out of a hand, or proclaiming that he doesn't eat mac and cheese or salad. In fact, there was a whisper in the bus that "it's always all about him." She didn't care then that viewers knew he is the "go to" guy, and ran to him when she wanted the photos deleted that the tourist was taking of them.
Kate doesn't see other people (by her own admission), so why would she care what was being taped at the run?
TLC stinks said... 91
She ran the race. Period. What is interesting is the addition of the two sisters as her running companions. I totally agree that they substituted for Steve as her companion during the race. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong psychologically with Kate that she cannot be without a companion. What is up with the dependency? It was pretty obvious when she was married to Jon how much she depended on him. Same now with Steve. They are companions (sexual or not) but this whole lie about him as her bodyguard/manager is bizarre. If Steve ever left her, and there was no one to take his place, I think she'd go off the deep end.
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I totally agree, and I also strongly agree that something is very wrong with her that she cant manage to put one foot in front of the other without someone to guide her. WHEN Steve leaves, and he will, she will rely on one or two of the kids and Taking Care of Mother will be their full time job and consume their lives. Probably Mady and Colin if he can stomach her at all as he matures.
Dallas Lady #164: Amen!! You are spot on.
Robin's Nest said... 189
No, not when it's being taped.
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She was taped for the RV episode and she certainly did hold Steve in high esteem then, to the point of making sure he didn't eat pizza out of a hand, or proclaiming that he doesn't eat mac and cheese or salad. In fact, there was a whisper in the bus that "it's always all about him." She didn't care then that viewers knew he is the "go to" guy, and ran to him when she wanted the photos deleted that the tourist was taking of them.
Kate doesn't see other people (by her own admission), so why would she care what was being taped at the run?
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That's a very interesting point, Robin's Nest, but I think there is a big difference in these situations. On the RV trip Kate was running her mouth because she assumed most of what she said regarding Steve would be left on the cutting room floor. After all, it was only on the RV trip that she was finally thrown under the bus (RV?) by TLC. In a huge race like the RnR marathon there isn't anyone to edit her behavior for her. That being said, I'm not even sure those two are in a relationship. It certainly doesn't resemble any relationship I've ever been in.
Dallas Lady Said...
She grifts like it's her job. In fact, the one thing she has probably been MOST successful at is grifting. She has no shame. She most likely got her basic expenses paid for this marathon by the group running it and then she had to kick in for other stuff. She's not a big enough celebrity for them to have kicked in for everything. Brooke Burke ran it, right? Now SHE'S a big enough celebrity to get all her expenses paid for. Not Kate. But she doesn't care--it got her ego stroking and got her away from the kids, her two main goals in life it seems. (The Australia trip, too, was most likely grifted.)
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Also, Drew Carey ran the race. Don't see much about him in the news regarding the race. He's a big celebrity who could get his expenses paid.
Kate is not in Brook Burke or Drew Carey's league.
So, I'm guessing she is STILL in LV? Does anyone know? It certainly doesn't seem like she is at home yet. She would have posted "the kids were so thrilled to see MEEEEE!"
Why would Kate run to Steve or hug him while they are in public and being filmed? She's spent years telling everyone and their brother that he is "just the bodyguard". No way would she drop that facade just because she finished a race.
On the RV trip Kate was running her mouth because she assumed most of what she said regarding Steve would be left on the cutting room floor
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I don't think that can be assumed because Kate has always said in the past that she has no control over what gets cut and what gets left in the final clips. She didn't know WHAT they were going to edit out. Heck, she didn't even know which episodes they were showing.
I agree. It is an unusual relationship, and personally, I would eat my hat if there were any interest in HIS part. Her pining for him, however, is a different story. Or, maybe there isn't any love interest on either end, and for her, he's a traveling companion/agent/get-me-through-the-airport person, and for him, she's dollar signs/better than a "real" job.
Maybe Gina isn't to threatened by Kate she's seen how she treated Jon up and personal and now how she treated close friends (Jamie&Ashely).
She knows Kate has no real talent or skills beside pimpimg the kids Kate has nothing to offer anyone.
Yes it's frustrating witnessing this bitchy neglectful 'mom' lie, cheat, and bullshit her way through life and then crying, "but I'm just trying to raise my kids, alone, walking uphill in the snow both ways". She is slowly but surely irritating everyone she comes in contact with. I can't imagine Steve will stick around for the long haul, otherwise why not declare your love for each other already? If will end eventually. People are reluctant to bash her too much in the mainstream media because of the kids and because she's not important enough to care much about. Be patient. She's imploding
Huh, what kids? The bitch forgot them the second her flat ass walked out of the orphanage. She ran a FIVE HOUR RACE (or pretended to); she's been gone from home ONE WEEK.
Okay -- what am I missing? I watched the video of her crossing the finish line. I read her tweet:
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
I could barely walk from finish line..had to b helped!NEVER could have done it w/o running buddies Paula and Ellen! 1/3
She zipped over that finish line, ran for hugs, looked NOTHING like she could barely walk and certainly didn't have to be helped. She looked like it was just another walk in the park. Others crossing looked like they literally were on their last legs.
Sorry to keep harping on this, but the times do not make any sense.
Ellen person is posted to have only ran the 1/2 marathon which began 30 minutes before the full marathon. And this is her official time of 3:41:24, why is she with Kate and her sister Paula who ran a little under 5 hrs if that's her real time? For Photo Op only??
And yes, the bitch is still in Vegas "basking" or "baking" in her own little world.
Ellen Lamar
Beverly Hills, CA
Age: 52 | Gender: F
Overall: 31641 out of 33123 · Division: 1306 out of 1440 · Gender: 19864 out of 21051
Pace 5 Km 10 Km 10 Mi ChipTime ClockTime
16:54 1:33:31 2:11:54 3:02:02 03:41:24 03:41:24
Just want mention that the bibs for the 1/2 marathon and full marathon are different colors. The full are white and the 1/2 are a brownish color. Kate and BOTH her female companions are wearing the white marathon bibs.
I have run in many races and still cannot figure this out. Something just doesn't jive. If her running partner Ellen ran the full marathon and is photographed crossing the finish next to Kate why do her times reflect a 1/2 marathon? Why is she wearing a marathon bib? So confused. Thoughts anyone?
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