Kate is making a few Year in Review lists this week, and it's not pretty.
Said MSN TV of the Kate Plus 8 cancellation: "It was just the back-to-school treat many incredulous viewers across the nation were hoping for, incredulous that Kate Gosselin had stretched her 15 seconds out so long."
And David Hiltbrand of The Philadelphia Inquirer had this to say: "Certainly, we can all celebrate the fact that a pair of ruthless despots were deposed in 2011: Moammar Gadhafi and Kate Gosselin."
http://tv.msn.com/tv/year-in-review/year-in-reality-tv/?photoidx=5
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/27/3339278/dave-on-demand-the-television.html#storylink=cpy
454 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 454 Newer› Newest»Anon 178: You do have things wrong when it comes to Kate: God did not create those kids in her, the 6 were created in a dish, then implanted in Kate. God had nothing to do with this conception. Since it was not even done the normal way. Kate does not get points for this.
And as for Kate doing normal things with her kids this week, well she blew that out the window. Kate had a private ice staking party, yesterday, claiming that it was family and friends. Kate still thinks she is special and a celeb. For a person who has no money(as she claims), she is spending a lot lately. This is not a normal activity, since it is private, which means other kids and families could not skate there cause it was closed to outsiders. Kate is no where near normal/mediocre. What's the matter Kate, can't do a normal activity with your kids, like just go to the ice rink and let the kids, skate with other kids(during normal skating hours?), Kate nobody is gonna to care you are there. Nobody is gonna mob you, or take your pic. Thank, God, Jon let's them be normal and takes them to normal things, where other people and other kids are, does not hold private parties, cause Kate can't stand people or crowds. What are you afraid of? PARANOID much?
And why does Kate not have a real camera, not a phone one. Why does her kids not have cameras? Geez, the Duggars let their 4 year old and up kids, use cameras. What is Kate afraid that they will take pics of Kate and sell it on her or is she afraid that they will take pics of things around house and show them to Dad, that mom is blowing their money on unnessary crap, and then crying poor! Kate, there is no TLC to make memories for you anymore, this is a time in the kids lives, that should be taken, and a camera phone, just does not pass mustard. When I was 7, I had a camera and took pics, of my yard, dog, everybody. Infact some of the buildings I took pics of, are no-longer there, as my neighborhood has changed too. Kate you and your kids are missing so much.
Just like those robot things she bought the twins, why?, they are expensive, to rub it in their school-mates faces, look what we got? Kate must, have had a shitty childhood, to be wanting to go over the top, on everything. Wait, when reality really hits, I would not want to be around her. Those poor kids.
I agree with your comments Admin in response to Anon. You said it far better than I could have. As for the fan site that went kaput, it was a really nasty site that attacked you and even made posts about you all the time. And yet the sheeple that followed that site were all over it telling her how wonderful and fair she was,that she never talked down to anyone and gave everyone a chance to express their opinion. What crap. They had a vendetta going against you and it was out of control. I have thought from the beginning and still think today that it was a flog set up by TLC to strengthen the fan base for Kate when she was beginning to lose steam. Good riddance.
As for Kate having a private ice skating party, two things come to mind: an extravagant expense for someone claiming she is hurting for money and it was for family and friends? Family, are you kidding. There is no family left that she allows the kids to have any relationship with. Another lie.
And just one more thing. Just how many cars or vehicles can one person drive? 3 for 1 adult? She is swiftly losing it.
Now that it's gone, I'll say the sheer obsession with me on that blog was downright creepy. Like I need a restraining order creepy. Another BLOG mod they were obsessed with, a private person.
Is it just me, or is it much healthier to just visit blogs you like, and not visit blogs you don't? Who sets up a blog just to blabber on about another blog, or blogs??? I am not at all surprised karma came round and it shut down. Of course knowing that it's all some big hoax.
I also think for some of these sheeple they find an excuse to leave, when deep down they know they look ridiculous to keep defending Kate and want a way out, any way.
By the way I'm proud to say this blog has never, ever done a post about another blog. As much as they have done hundreds about us. And we never will. Never.
One by one everyone in Kate's life finally realizes they are being used, and though they may continue to put up with it after that point, eventually do leave if Kate doesn't leave them first. Jason is next in line.
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Anonymous said... 178
The one thing everyone forgets. It was GOD who gave life to those children inside Kate. He knows the big picture of the outcome and will be there for "anyone" when it comes time to guide them back to Him. It dosen't matter how or what Kate does when it comes time for Him to knock at their heart. Just as He gave choice to Adam, Eve, you and me, regardless of how we were raised, He knows what will build whatever characture they are going to need as they become adults.
Many people go through hell in their young life and turn out to be fine outstanding adults.
Who are we to say we know better than the one who gave them life inside Kate. It's His plan and He will provide.
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First, not everyone believes in God. What you presented is not a fact that God created the kids, but a belief.
Second, of those who do believe in God, not everyone believes this is part of God's plan. On the contrary, I think this had absolutely nothing to do with God's plan. Man created reality shows, and man (woman, in this case) is greedy and wants money and will even exploit her kids to do it. This is all about humans making choices contrary to what God teaches. God's plan? What an insult to God.
"God's plan" is NEVER an excuse not to step up and try to change things for the better, or at least say something when wrongdoing is happening. By your logic, anything in the world that goes wrong is God's plan and "who are we to say." This would include murders, rapes, abused kids, and even exploited kids.
On the contrary, in the Bible it takes constantly about social justice, about defending the rights of those who can't. My favorite verse is Speak up and judge fairly, defend the rights of the poor and needy. That's the Bible I believe in. And Bible and God or not, that is the MORALS I believe in. Yes even atheists have a moral compass.
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Amen to that, Administrator!
As far as I'm concerned, it's alittle bold (maybe even blasphemous) for Kate or her
blind followers to PRESUME what God's plan was/is anyway.
Too bad Kate's beliefs are primarily fueled by greed, money, and wanting only what Kate wants.
Too bad her supporters don't see that.
Kate's blog on their Christmas celebration is disburbing. It's all about CONTROL. Kate picks out the gifts to be opened instead of letting the kids rummage thru the them to see their names on the packages & then select one?! Fun zapper. Then she made them eat breakfast and wait for her to clean up prior to resuming their celebration. And finally....they thanked her over & over & over again...it really is all about Kate the greatest mother in the world, according to Kate. DISBURBING control issues & really quite horrible. And, I can almost hear her screaming at the kids to not make a mess while opening their gifts. Oh, but she actually let them select their own seating arrangmements this year, for the gift opening. I didn't think that would be happening until they were in high school. Life must be so rigid in that house.
It's always "god's plan" when either the plan agrees with yours or gives you an excuse to sit back and say it wasn't your fault.
I thought KG said she had fun skating in one tweet then in another one she said. I don't stake what's the point could break something "yadda yadda". Something like that.
Anger Issues - the sextuplets were conceived through Intrauterine Insemination (IUI) which is completely different than In-Vitro Fertilization. Kate was prescribed Clomid to jumpstart her ovulation process. The doctor monitored her and when she had 3-4 follicles (eggs ready to be released), they inseminated her with Jon's sperm. This is covered in their book Multiple Blessings and was confirmed by the doctors who delivered the sextuplets. We have discussed the conception ad nauseum here and I really don't want to rehash it. Preesi's site has a very good timeline of the events.
As for whether or not God played a part, that is a matter of Faith and what you personally believe and we can
agree to respectfully disagree on that point.
Chef, at least the kids got to skate and have fun.
Interesting that the last fan blog standing posted about the skating party and focused on the expense of renting a rink for a private party. Maybe all of this is finally getting to them?
mim, the last fan blog standing was only reposting a Gather article. I don't think anything will get to them, if nothing has yet.
NJGal51 said... 194
JasonHueman Jason Backe
I was REALLY MAD when my bacon chz brgr arrived & the fries were smashed into the bun! I had a bite & found forgiveness in my heart #fb
3 hours ago
Kate@JasonHueman I can hear you saying that and it makes me miss you ;)
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Not trying to be a skeptic, but either 1) Kate went to NY to get her hair done during the time she was missing on twitter for long periods of time a couple of days ago and asked Jason not to mention this on twitter (note the wink) to avoid criticism; or 2) Jason is done with her, and not interested in her comped hair cuts with no tips.
Witht he show ending and our criticism, I believe Kate is getting more savvy in NOT advertising her some of the trips away from the kids. Just conjecture.
Although current pictures of her hair would tell us everything, don't expect to see any new photos of Kate in the very near future if I am correct. Her hair will miraculously "resurrect."
Witht he show ending and our criticism, I believe Kate is getting more savvy in NOT advertising her some of the trips away from the kids. Just conjecture.
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I totally agree and know what else she is getting savvy at, the poor me act. If you look at her tweets and blogs in literally the past two to three months, not a peep about how she is poor, or wishes she could afford this, or that, or the kids can't do this because we don't have the money. She is still grifting that is for sure, but she's completely dropped the outright I'M POOR thing.
Mim and Admin - As a Christian, it is my personal belief that God gave us Free Will and consequently people make choices outside the Will of God.
That being said, Romans 8:28 states that God works all things for the good of those who love Him. God is going to teach us the lessons He wants us to learn and will use the choices we make for that purpose. It's up to us to decide if we're going to learn or not as it is our choice whether we ultimately accept God's Grace and Salvation.
Since Kate claims to be a Christian, I have no issue speaking the truth in love to her as a fellow Christian. Her walk does not line up with her talk and, like many Christians, I think she has bought into what is called The Prosperity Gospel, which is a "Quid Pro Quo" relationship with God, imo.
Kate, we are called by Christ to be reconciled with the people in our lives that we are in conflict with. I would urge you to pray, seek guidance and attempt to heal the broken relationships you have with your family and friends. I would urge you to make sure you are seeking God's Will for your life, not your own. Remember, as a Christian, He is the authority in your life, not you.
The Prosperity Gospel is just a way for some rich to justify their bad behavior to get where they are. I'm sure Kate loves it. Or even the not so rich to justify bad behavior to get slightly ahead. My pastor will outright say that's a load of crap, and the demographics of his church are wealthy to very wealthy. He's probably lost some members for taking that stance.
I think God did help Kate with the 8 they are healthy smart wonderful kids that seems not to have in problems with their minds or health state.
pamelajo said... 191
anon...I think you have things wrong. God decided Khate shouldn't have kids. She, with the free will, decided God was wrong and went to a fertility specialist. That freee wiil stuff is what we will all have to answer for
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Well said. I've said that same thing for years.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 6
One by one everyone in Kate's life finally realizes they are being used, and though they may continue to put up with it after that point, eventually do leave if Kate doesn't leave them first. Jason is next in line.
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I am wondering if she just picked up her lights without offering to pay Jason back for the purchase?
Her tweets about the lights were grifting - but when he tweeted that he'd found them - he didn't make it sound like it was a gift .. just that he'd found some and picked them up for her.
If she just picked them up and didn't offer to pay for them ... that would have been awkward ... and off-putting ... and wish I would have been there :)
I'm not convinced they are over though. She's IS the queen of grifting.
I'm not here to debate God or religion, and I apologize for an earlier remark that could easily have offended.
Regarding the tups conception - my understanding is that the doctors did not inseminate Kate with Jon's sperm. Kate was hospitalized with over-stimulated follicles (or something like that) and the doctors would not inseminate. They sent Kate home with instructions not to have sex. Then apparently she went against their orders and had sex with Jon and the tups were conceived.
Maybe Jason is on vacation. He may have wanted to know if Kate was going to NYC before he left so he could work in an appointment before Christmas. He may have left before she got back in touch. We don't know.
Many people don't take their communication gadgets on vacations. He might like the peace and quiet of no beeps, buzzes, rings, tones, whirs and pulses. Therefore, no tweets with Kate.
Hey everyone! Hope you all had a great Christmas or are enjoying Hannukah (still going I think?).
I'm catching up here after being away for a few days having a great visit in PA and NJ. I see Kate's been doing her sporadic and sometimes manic tweeting and I noticed 2 things that I have to address. First, Kate responded to her "dating" rumors (she lives to set the record straight) and said something along the lines of "choosing very carefully next time" and I thought, "what a shitty thing to hear you mom say. BTW kids, you dad was a horrible choice. Don't ever date or marry someone like *him*"
Who says this??
She also responding to what looked like someone once again asking if she took the kids to SC and she responding with her BS that all the houses were rented or that house was already taken. Like there are no other huge houses along the entirety of the North and South Carolina coasts to rent (oh, I think NC Outer Banks is out as it's not exclusive like BHI.. Liar, liar, pants on fire. Sure, that and there's not enough room for all her kids to do gymnastics.
I'll tell you why she didn't go and why she will probably never go again. It's because that huge home was probably in the ballpark of 10-12 grand per week. That and no staff from TLC to Ashley to the second body guard to march her kids to the ocean and turn them right around again.
Well, I must say that both my parents are awfully glad nobody's discussing the process they went through to get me - when the did what, how that worked, etc.
(smile!)
Also, back to Jason. He may have wanted Kate to come pick up the 10 boxes of 300 lights he so kindly went out and got for her and she left sitting in his salon. Don't you need these at, um, Christmas, Kate? Apparently not. She just pseudo decorated the tree and blocked the view
with stuff before she took pictures.
Sarah said... 22
Regarding the tups conception - my understanding is that the doctors did not inseminate Kate with Jon's sperm. Kate was hospitalized with over-stimulated follicles (or something like that) and the doctors would not inseminate. They sent Kate home with instructions not to have sex. Then apparently she went against their orders and had sex with Jon and the tups were conceived.
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Bullseye. This was not God's will and she went against doctor's orders to get what SHE wanted. As she always has. On film, Kate asked Jon point blank if he resented her for this, after the tups were born, and Jon took the high road. I can not imagine what it feels like to be tricked into multiples twice, but I do think at that point, Jon was already in love and invested in the kids. Her question to him alone on film showed that Jon was not fully aware of what she was doing, at least in my mind. Not telling him of doctor's orders of not to have sex once again reaks of Kate doing what she wanted to gain exactly what SHE wanted. There was a website posted even before the tups were born asking for donations. I'll stop right there. But I do think Kate has orchestrated grifting/donations from day one, without Jon's knowledge of what the doctors told Kate. Could be wrong, but I doubt it. He should be disgusted with her, but has never outed her for this. As he loves his kids more than vengance, unlike Kate.
That's a horrible thing I say. A kid hears that and would feel like you hate the half of them that's daddy.
On kate's blog, if you look at the picture of the kids looking at their new fish on Xmas morning, the tree is in the background. It looks like no presents had been opened yet and there aren't many under the tree for a family of 9. So why all the carrying on about the wrapping and evening out of presents? And the mountains of trash? She could probably fit all the wrapping paper in a hefty bag afterwards. Such a liar. The picture of the kids is cute; she's just getting sloppier with covering up her lies.
I haven't made it through all the comments yet, so maybe someone has mentioned this, but I noticed that there was a glaring omission from Kate's latest blog entry.
There is NO mention of all the gifts to her and/or the kids from the sheeple. We know they were sending packages hand over fist. It seems odd that she wouldn't even mention a THANK YOU to my many fans for the wonderful gifts we received or something of that nature.
It makes me wonder if she really did wrap gifts from fans for the kids and say they were from her or if she just tossed them out without a second glance.
For someone that LIVES for hearing the words thank you, she sure is lousy at saying it to those that really deserve to hear it from HER.
From the Washington Post, a "year in review' type of article that mentions Kate:
" Kate moment that provided the most schadenfreude: the cancellation of Kate Gosselin’s “Kate Plus 8.” Mommy blogs that run on Gosselin snark were the happiest places on Earth when that news broke."
It was delicious, wasn't it? I don't wish Kate anything bad, but her sense of entitlement, that her show would never end, was mind-boggling. I still remember the blank look on her face when the ladies of The Talk asked her what her plans were after the show ends and her face was like "I have no idea what you're talking about"
fidosmommy said... 25
Well, I must say that both my parents are awfully glad nobody's discussing the process they went through to get me - when the did what, how that worked, etc.
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You mean they didn't film your family life and show it globally? And then pimp out your childhood ad nauseum in public? Wow, what strange parents you had, fidosmommy!
Kat said... 200
how is it that Kate "misses" all of these people in show biz but she doesn't miss her own family and relatives?
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That IS Kate and it's what she has projected onto the kids for years. I can not imagine that the kids all cried when the TLC crew left (you know, their daddies) but didn't blink an eye when told that they would never see their cousins again.
So sad. I hope Jon had reconnected them with their relatives.
Just Me said... 29
There is NO mention of all the gifts to her and/or the kids from the sheeple. We know they were sending packages hand over fist. It seems odd that she wouldn't even mention a THANK YOU to my many fans for the wonderful gifts we received or something of that nature.
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How would she get all the credit for the gifts if she said that some fan brought such and such and sent it to you.
I am so happy my mom did not orchestrate my present opening at Christmas and my birthdays.
I am of the belief that Kate told the kids there was no Santa because how could they fawn all over her when the presents came from Santa?. I know J&K said it was because the older girls already knew, but then again, they were so young. It's such a shame to take that away. It's a magical time of life.
Plus, every kids has to go to the mall and sit on Santa's lap and bawl their eyes out!
Just Me said... 29
There is NO mention of all the gifts to her and/or the kids from the sheeple. We know they were sending packages hand over fist. It seems odd that she wouldn't even mention a THANK YOU to my many fans for the wonderful gifts we received or something of that nature.
--Maybe she does not want IRS attention, or else she is an ungrateful witch.
Sarah - With all due respect, what you stated is rumor and unconfirmed. What we know, based on Kate and Jon's statements is this:
1) Kate wanted just one more baby as the twins started entering preschool age.
2) Jon felt their family was the perfect size and wasn't thrilled with going through the whole IUI process again. The twin pregnancy had been hard on Kate and he also didn't want to have multiples for the obvious impact it would have on their family.
3) They had an opportunity to adopt a baby but for unspecified reasons made the decision not to proceed with the adoption.
4) After the failed adoption, Jon agreed to try three cycles of IUI over a period of 6 months. If nothing took in those three cycles, Kate would step back and be content with her family of four.
5) Kate switched to a local specialist, ostensibly because it was difficult to travel to doctor's appointments an hour away in Allentown with two preschoolers in tow.
6) In July, Kate tried the first round of IUI (involvong fertility drug injections and artificial insemination) It didn't take.
7) In August, Kate and Jon took 3 year old Mady and Cara to DisneyWorld, since Kate was afraid they wouldn't get the chance again with a new baby in the house.
8) September they rested from IUI to allow Kate's body to recover.
9) October they did the IUI process again. Kate had 3, possibly 4 follicles. They discussed with the doctor their desire to only have one baby but at the same time stated they would not selectively reduce. The doctor told them it was unlikely all 3-4 follicles would fertilize but if they wanted they could skip this cycle, wait 2 months and then start another cycle which would likely give them fewer follicles.
Kate and Jon discussed it and Jon stated they'd never regret having more kids so they went forward. Kate was inseminated. She later took a home test which came back positive.
10) Shortly after the insemination, Kate was hospitalized for over stimulated ovaries (note: Based on my own research, OSO can happen at any point in the IUI cycle, even after conception).
11) A few weeks after the hospitalization, where they drained fluid from her ovaries, Kate visited her specislist. At this appointment, Kate and Jon discovered they were pregnant with septiuplets. One later failed to develop and was reabsorbed back into Kate's body.
The rest, as they say, is history. p
Sorry, there should not have been a p at the end of my last comment. I had written to much and had to delete before being allowed to post and the p probably hadn't been deleted.
34- Tucker's Mom -I agree, It is real simple, the older kids are not allowed to ruin Santa for the younger kids. Worked in my family of 6 kids but Kate never seems to be able to pull off anything magical for the younger kids. Yet the tooth fairy still exists, really?
Kate has blogged repeatedly about the Tooth Fairy. Guess better than Santa, as the TF only get credit for a dollar. God forbid Santa get credit for anything over a dollar.. Ego much Kate?
silimom said... 36
Excellent and succinct recap. There is no proof that Kate duped Jon and tried to have HOM's. It happened and I'm sure they were gobsmacked.
However, and this is just my hunch, I think Kate wanted to undergo IUI again because there was a good possibility she's have multiple multiples, even if it was twins again. I think she wanted the attention.
Adopting a baby was the only way to ensure that they had "just one more" and I do not believe this was ever her intent. It was a good story and ruse.
To TLC stinks @ 129:My grandchildren belong to a Pentecostal sect that doesn't believe in Santa Claus,seeing the concept as anti-Christian and created by satan. I don't agree with this but I am wondering whether Kate's religious background,as the daughter of a pastor, is similar.Does anybody have information about this? I believe it is a fairly common belief in some Christian sects.
Happy New Year everyone, let's hope the world is a better place in 2012!
She doesn't owe taxes on those particular gifts, she's just ungrateful is all.
Kat said... 200
how is it that Kate "misses" all of these people in show biz but she doesn't miss her own family and relatives?
...She only misses them because she "wants" something from them and they're in the career she wants to be in....desparate much? You big fat ASS KISSER...
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I agree totally. It's not the people in show biz she misses at all it's the stuff that comes with show biz that she misses. She's a hollow shell of narcissism that needs constant fulfillment. She probably sucked all she could get out her family so to her way of thinking there's nothing to miss as far as they're concerned. It'll be interesting to know who or what she has targeted as her next victim. Does she have a rolodex for that?
I can't believe some poor child has been begging for a "pet" fish for all these years and it took getting a free fish bowl to make her rush out and buy a 99 cent beta as the unexpected surprise. That whole Christmas saga was just strange - very strange.
The strange part is I was envisioning maybe a cute baby goat with a bow - Tori style.
What I want to know is why all Kate's blogs and tweets get attention on internet news, and multiple articles basically recap in a positive manner, what she has said. Only a few comments are made, so obviously no one cares too much. If you're interested you can go to K's site or here ( :) )I just think it's weird these 'articles' still make the news...
Pity Party said... 44
I can't believe some poor child has been begging for a "pet" fish for all these years and it took getting a free fish bowl to make her rush out and buy a 99 cent beta as the unexpected surprise. That whole Christmas saga was just strange - very strange.
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Well, Moses asked for a miracle and frogs fell from the sky. Anything God can do Kate can do better and apparently that includes making miracles happen, acccording to her. Ain't she something?
I just think it's weird these 'articles' still make the news...
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I agree it's weird and it seems these "authors" sit around just waiting for Kate to tweet so they can basically write about what she tweeted, transfering it verbatim, and then add Pulitzer-worthy flare by writing "What do you think?"
I'm mainly talking about Gather.com, but not Sue Buddy. She actually writes original material.
IDModo 41, that may be, but her posting a picture of the kids taken during a church service indicates that she's a long way from whatever her Christian beliefs once were.
One thing Kate is very good at is her play on words. Kate tweeted a response to “how did u stay on a plane that long” when she was tweeting about Australia this morning. She states that they didn’t fly first class which most people would assume meant they flew coach. I guarantee queen Kate would never sit in coach. I bet they sat business class which is still quite comfortable and expensive.
@xxxxx was without a doubt the BEST flight with my kids ever. They loved the plane! Qantas is amazing..& no we didn't fly first class
I can believe the kids did well on a plane to AU. I'm sure they were on a jumbo and had first class treatment, although not in first class. I agree, no fricking way Kate and the kids were stuffed into coach.
Hey, we could all do well with VIP treatment.
Huh that's funny Kate. Because a girl on your flight facebooked seeing you in FIRST. Oops! http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/12/kate-and-kids-head-to-australianew.html?m=0
This will be the last time I post here.
First of all, I am truly not a sheeple, much less one that migrated from whichever site it was that closed down yesterday. I know there is a sheeple site by someone named Ziggyflo, and I have visited (and been banned from, ironically) BabyMama's site. I don't know the names of any other fan sites, and those two I only know because of reading here. It was a complete coincidence that I posted yesterday on the day that a site (that I have no idea of the name) closed.
Second of all, I have posted here for quite some time - since before the blog changed looks and started using the clever artwork on the top of the page - using several different user names. I have been an "unfan" of Kate since the very beginning and share the same feelings as all of you about the "big" stuff Kate has done over the years, and do not disagree that she is unkind, ungrateful, and just generally not a very pleasant person. My original posts were under the name Robin, and nobody ever mistook me for a sheeple then. But at some point, I came to the realization that nobody here was doing the Gosselin children any good by continuing to be publicly critical of Kate, especially after the show was cancelled. I don't believe I posted to that effect until after the show ended, in fact. I have changed my name periodically after I am tired of being attacked, because it's obvious that most people aren't interested in hearing an opposing viewpoint. I realize that is basically a violation of rule #1 and I apologize to Admin for that.
Third of all, my point is to not censor what anyone says - it is a free country with free speech after all - but to try to bring attention to the fact that ripping Kate for doiong her laundry the wrong way or not being a good writer does not help her children in any way. Snark is fun, snark is usually harmless. But when 95% of the posts are snark about meaningless things and only 5% of it is about the actual plight of her children - what really is the point of saying the same thing over and over and over again? At the least it is not helping; at the most it could be harming the children by continuing to put them in the public eye by talking about their mother and continuing to make her "relevant"; and by perhaps exposing them to extreme criticism about their mother that no child should have to see. It doesn't matter that Kate is hurting her children worse or that there are many other sites that say worse things about the children, Kate, Jon, Ellen, etc. There are varying degrees of harm and I don't understand why anyone would want to contribute to that harm.
And lastly, when I mentioned hypocrisy yesterday, I was speaking of the fact that my posts have been deleted time and time again solely because they are of a different point of view. Yet I have been called a troll, stupid, dense, a sheeple, and other names, and those posts are not deleted. But when I say something as mundane as a sarcastic "thank you for proving my point" (which, by the way, was in response to when I said (paraphrased) "those with opposing viewpoints are spoken to harshly" and then within 20 minutes, two posters posted unkindly to me), I am deleted.
(Side note: I do not know the "anonymous" person who was posting yesterday, even though we were agreeing with each other on some things - it feels like people were equating us and I'd like to point out that I did not use offensive language or attack anyone, and was not being toxic or nasty. However, I apologize to anyone here I may have spoken to unkindly in the past.)
Peace to you all and I hope you have a happy, healthy new year.
"What I want to know is why all Kate's blogs and tweets get attention on internet news, and multiple articles basically recap in a positive manner, what she has said. "
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The Gather and Babble and Sue Buddy are not reporting from reputable sources. I think that the people who post on Gather and Babble are not true employees. Anyone can post on those sites. They may get paid a small percentage of add revenue based on traffic to the site but nothing above that. I highly doubt that people get paid to post on Gather because anyone can post an article there. The people posting there are sheeple and they are just trying to keep Kate Relevant.
Bye, may peace be restored. Your questions were answered many times in the past and again this time. I don't understand the need to keep wringing hands over the poor children being shocked over other mothers finding her a horrid example of motherhood if they ever stumble over this blog. I'm sure they are well aware since I'm sure they remember Jody, Beth and other women that were actually kind and caring. Kate can try and keep them out of the loop but unless she truly imprisons them forever in that orphanage of hers it's not gonna come as a surprise her act fooled very few.
Kate trying to become a blonde barbie doll isn't going to help those girls self esteem either. Dissing their Asian Dad then turning herself into Nitwit Barbie, great job as a role model, Katie.
Gah, she really is irksome.
Kate mentioned that family and friends went skating. By family do you think she is talking about the 8? That would be family to the kids, skating with their brothers and sisters. That was my first thought when she said family, only because I know they don't hang with extended family. Unless Steve and his boys are thought of as family.
I wonder if Kate is still so fond of the Asian look of her children : she said once "the more Asian the better." I thought that was odd since they had a chance of looking less Asian than they did(being only of 1/4 Korean ancestry) and a couple look only somewhat Asian- did she like them less? But does it now remind her of Jon? Let's hope racism after-the-fact isn't another of her flaws...I hope I expressed this non-offensively. I think children of all races or mixes or whatever can be beautiful although Kate's kids are 'your average kid' in looks IMO.
Carezee - I agree with you. My immediate thought was family (the 8) and friends (Steve & sons). I'm thinking that Steve must be back or at the very least in for a visit because twitter has been silent today.
To Notasheeple: I'm not sorry in the least that you are gone. Now, if Khate could just go away and stop trying to be an important, "non-mediocre" "stah", that would be great, then I could stop posting. Since the 8 Go$$elin children have Stockholm Syndrome, it is OUR DUTY to bring to light what a wretched, disgusting fame-whoring "human being" Khatezilla is. We are doing the Go$$elin children a BIG FAVOR by continually exposing their pathetic, poor-excuse of a "mother" to the world. The Go$$elin children were manufactured for their "mother's" greed and they NEED to see/hear/read what a disguising, conniving and grifting witch their "mother" is.
Referring to the Christmas photos, I think Kate's girls are getting very pretty. I think you posted your view respectfully, but ouch, to suggest Kate does not like their Asian heritage now is, well, a bit cringe-worthy.
I think most kids go through a rough stage looks-wise. It's amazing how much they change and her kids are no different. They might go through a gawky stage, or get acne or flux in their weight, but to me that's off bounds.
I truly do not think that Kate feels the the kids belong as much to Jon as they do to her, so no, I don't think she rejects them in any way. Which is funny, because she dismissed their own father and it's like she has no clue how hurtful her comments about Jon are to them.
Recently, Kate said that no, she would not be doing a family photo with Jon, and I get that, but when she said that the 9 of them are a family-- their own unit, well that was just horrifying. The 10 of them are a family and always will be. Kate does not get to erase that part of her life as if it never happened. At some point, and I don't know if it will ever happen, she's got to own the facts which are she picked Jon, she married Jon and she went to extraordinary measures to conceive children with him.
God bless Maddy & Cara if they grown up to look like the female version of Jon.-(I think he's a good looking dude btw)
I think Kate is truly ok with her kids looking Asian. Always found the Eurasian combination so attractive in general. I think her looking like a plastic Barbie has everything to do with what she thinks Hollywood finds attractive. She doesn't get that she never had a chance at a glamorous image and her attempts to be hot are laughable. In addition, it points out how self-centered she is, and foolish.
She did comment on being especially into the Asian look of her children. Her choice to be the extreme opposite of them is, yet another, ploy to distinguish herself and draw attention to herself due to her 'differentishness'.
I cannot fathom WHY steve's sons would want to or he would make them go ice skating with a bunch of little kids (yeah, I know the 'tups' are 'the littles' and the twins are the 'tweens' but to boys their age they are 'all' little!
It's no secret that if Kate were not a sadly lacking person, she would certainly be that "stah" that Barbara Walters referred to her as over a year ago, maybe 2 yrs. ago. Kate just doesn't have "it" power. Too nasty for most of us to watch or listen to. She is just not likeable-period. Love the picture, Admin. You are spot on!
Wow, she's really pushing that Little Angels DVD series, isn't she?
I finally looked at some stuff about it, including clips and it's for "babies and toddlers."
Why would she make her 7 year old and 11 year old kids watch and discuss them at the dinner table if they are for babies and toddlers?
I guess she's trying to make extra sure she gets that Madrid marathon paid for in the spring! Just think: Europe would mean she could be away from the kids for EVEN LONGER.
Kate is not lying regarding first class flight but is stretching the truth. Most flights no longer offer a true first class and instead offer business class. It is possible her flight had a first class section but more than likely it was officially called business class. Most intercontenial business class offer seats that go almost flat for sleeping and fine food and wine. So my bet is she was in business class.
Notasheeple said... 53
This will be the last time I post here.
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Halleluiah, there IS a God!
Since you seem to like to write, I suggest you email Kate@kateplusmy8.com and recommend to HER that she stop tweeting all about her kids, including photos. Also advise her to cease posting all about her kids' lives on her blog, including photos.
Since Khate is no longer on television, or anyone's radar basically, blog comments are still being made ONLY as a reaction to HER Twitter and HER blog. Oh, hmm, wait a second.....something tells me that Khate will not be taking your advice.
Nobody Likes a Narcissist (NLAN) said... 67
Since you seem to like to write, I suggest you email Kate@kateplusmy8.com and recommend to HER that she stop tweeting all about her kids, including photos. Also advise her to cease posting all about her kids' lives on her blog, including photos.
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NLAN, excellent advice to Notasheeple.
Why do you suppose this never occurred to her?
(Yes, Nota, that was snark. NLAN is absolutely right. If you want those kids off the internet, your FIRST point of contact should have been their mother. No that she cares in the slightest.)
Did Khate quit running, there is no mention of it any more?
Dee, exactly. Khate is THE source of the problem.
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Carezee said... 56
Kate mentioned that family and friends went skating. By family do you think she is talking about the 8? That would be family to the kids, skating with their brothers and sisters. That was my first thought when she said family, only because I know they don't hang with extended family. Unless Steve and his boys are thought of as family.
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Khate's tweet from yesterday:
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Guess what we did 2day? Our fam& friends hosted an ice skating (private) party at an ice rink!Had SO much fun! Kids can't wait2skate again!
December 28th, 9:59 PM
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That sounds like she is saying "our family", as in Khate & the 8, together with some friends, hosted an ice skating party. It's strange that she had to say "hosted" and had to specify that it was "private". She could have just said she took the kids ice skating with some friends.
It's interesting how Khate never has talked about or tweeted about having the kids' friends over much, yet in less than a week, she's claiming to have "hosted" two parties for them and friends.
I think it's pathetic that she tweeted that she didn't get her ass out there and skate with her kids. She claims she can run marathons, but she's too afraid to go ice skating with her kids? Give me a break. Of course, if TLC cameras were there and she were being paid to do it, she would have been out there on the ice.
I feel sorry for her kids, because from what I've seen, she really has never played with them or had any fun with them at all. Even on Christmas morning, she was a complete drill sergeant killjoy. The kids must have been so happy to get the hell out of there and go to their father's house.
Obviously, there's not one thing about Kate that I admire, but I think that physically (and only physically), she's beautiful, even though a great deal of it is manufactured...and I think that each of her children is beautiful. Those little girls are going to be beauties...natural beauties, as opposed to their mom. I think she's proud of their exotic looks, as she should be.
I just don't buy into this the kids loved the plane. There is nothing about a 21-hour flight that could be good in the least I don't care what section you are in. I fly 4 hours and am praying for it to end. It is just so restrictive. There is no thrill after the initial take off and landing perhaps. You might as well be sitting in a bus in the backyard. KT has said that she never got to go anywhere as a child and that must have really had a huge affect on her. I have never seen or heard anyone carry on about travel the way she does. Most are enamored by the places they see and the people they meet but KT seems to have a love for the plane itself, that she tries to project onto her kids. They always throw up (as she has proudly displaced the results in a handy zip lock baggy) and who could ever pack enough food for a 21-hour flight with all the restrictions.
Back in the day, flying was a big deal. People wore their best and the flights attendants were very attractive tall modelish types and being a stewardess was considered a glamorous job. One of the doctor's wives who was our room mother came to school in her stewardess suit and gave us a talk about it once. I always remembered that. She was so poised and you could not smell her perfume until she left the room.
Although I did see Tommy Lee on a flight to LAX. He was sitting with a nicely dressed woman and an older woman and was very attentive and nice to them. His features were much more softer than one might have imagined. There was no suggestion of the bad boy image other than the tattoos. I imagined to myself that it must be his mother and grandmother.
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Of course, if TLC cameras were there and she were being paid to do it, she would have been out there on the ice.
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Didn't TLC film Kate on Cara's Day and she didn't partipate in skating with her daughter or husband then. She said, "I feared I would be out of commission if I fell and broke something." So regardless I don't think she enjoys participating in what her kids do.
Out of commission? Oh bull. She just doesn't want to enjoy her kids. Control them, yes. Did we ever see her play with them in the driveway? No she sat there on her butt with her phone. Her phone is her friend and her main priority in life. Not her kids.
When she took the kids places she whined about, "if you get wet you're done, if you do XYZ you are done." Wouldn't let them get messy decorating or painting. What's the point of being a kid if you can't get dirty again? I'm waiting to hear the excuse people.
I've got a friend, her kids are not allowed to cry, she marches them through stores, says there is not a single rule out there that says kids need any toys. She homeschools her kids because she believes her kids are smarter than everyone else but I know honestly her daughter can barely read. Says she's not raising children she's raising "miniature adults."
I don't have kids so I am probably wrong on this but for those of you older ladies here, when your kids are grown and gone don't you reflect on all the things you did with them? Camping in the living room, playing in the dirt and all that? Once kids are gone you can never get that time back. I picture Kate one day regretting not being involved, maybe. Just maybe.
Sweet! @Kateplusmy8 Look forward to meeting you @affiliatesummit RT @couponcabin: @Route53 Yep, she'll be there!
Sounds like she will be away again in Jan. Coupon Cabin confirmed on twitter she is going to the Affiliate Summit in Las Vegas. Jan 8-10th. I wonder how many extra days she will need on this trip to rest, shop, grift rest... Free trip from CC I suppose?
I think when KT refers to our family, she is referring to herself and the kids.
jasonhueman
@Kateplusmy8 every time we tweet I end up blocking ten million crazies! LOL
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LOL, huh? So Mr. Hair Man ends up bombarded by "crazies" when K8 tweets him? Is this something you would Tweet if you were mentioning a client in good standing?
He's saying that LOTS of people hate her enough to let him know, and he's saying it publicly.
Why would anyone tell the world that a client is hated by a group of people large enough to complain about?
I recall when this CC thing started up, one of the Affiliate-associated employees, either on his twitter or blog (I can't recall), made a snide comment that he hoped he didn't see her attend the Affiliate Summit, lol. I would like to see his comments now! Maybe I can find it again.
Kate's been very upfront about knowing that most who know who she is do not like her. I don't think Jason is letting any cat out of a bag.
She's polarizing. Always has been.
Pity Party, I'm not defending anyone here, but those long long flights are really not that bad. I've done the one to Ausralia, and many others to Japan, Thailand, and various places in Europe. They settle you in, give you your first meal (yes, meal) and all the free booze you may want (within reason), bring tea and coffee around. My husband flies business (whoever pointed out there is no first class on lots of airlines is absolutely correct) all of the time and occasionally I do too, upgraded. I actually like the coach experience, always enjoy my seatmate. Plus, they all have movies on demand, often movies that are still in theaters. Soon, the lights are put out and people go to sleep like they would at home. The flight crew works hard to get you on the schedule you are going to. About an hour or two before landing, the lights come back on and they bring you breakfast. If you have stayed up (I usually do) they also bring around sandwiches, snacks and drinks throughout the flight. They provide pillows and blankets too, as well as 'wash packs' of toothbrushes, socks, etc. It's really not terrible and not at all like flying domestically.
That said, I have no doubt that Kate plus her 8 were in business class on Qantas, which WOULD be their version of first class. Individual beds and all that, and extremely expensive.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 15
I totally agree and know what else she is getting savvy at, the poor me act. If you look at her tweets and blogs in literally the past two to three months, not a peep about how she is poor, or wishes she could afford this, or that, or the kids can't do this because we don't have the money. She is still grifting that is for sure, but she's completely dropped the outright I'M POOR thing.
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Except for this from last night - Australia is a "dream" only if someone else pays for the flight for all nine of them:
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Thought of this all day: Last year at this X we were on r way 2 Australia... Wow! A year goes fast,doesn't it?! All wish we were there now!
December 28th, 9:45 PM
flowermonkeyz xoxo
@Kateplusmy8 My best friend's brother lives in Aus - she took her 5 kids a cpl years ago- STILL talking abt it like it's their 2nd home!
December 28th, 9:47 PM
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
@flowermonkeyz and so are we!
December 28th, 9:51 PM
flowermonkeyz xoxo
@Kateplusmy8 Awesome! I've been a lot of places but not there...YET... sounds magical! Any plans for the 9 of u to go back?
December 28th, 9:54 PM
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
@flowermonkeyz in my dreams, daily. In reality, not really. FlightsX9= ouch!
December 28th, 10:03 PM
flowermonkeyz xoxo
@Kateplusmy8 Yeah I imagine that would be pricey, to say the least!! Dreaming is nice :)
December 28th, 10:14 PM
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Yes, a flight to Australia would be expensive, and they've already been there. But, I do hope that Khate will learn how to cough up some of her own money for once in her life, (really, the kids earned the money), and take these kids on a real vacation once or twice a year.
I do not in any way intend to be snobby or elitist, but I do wonder if the kids feel a little bad now that TLC is no longer sending them all over because it's been my experience that private schools like the one they go to are usually populated with children whose parents are in a higher tax bracket - professionals, business owners, and executives. These children go with their families on several trips a year, all over the world. After Christmas break, the kids are comparing notes on who went away skiing, who went to Hawaii, and who went to the Caribbean.
No, none of this is necessary, but I just wonder if Khate has set her kids up for the same problem that she has, a feeling of being unable to "keep up with the Joneses". The only life that the Gosselin kids have known is traveling all over and having first class, VIP treatment. They might feel bad and resent it now when they hear what their schoolmates are doing while they've only been ice skating.
Again, cry me a river, I know none of that is so horrible to be missing out on, especially at their young ages. But, it is a fact of life in schools like that and it can be upsetting to little kids who feel that they don't get to experience things that they think everyone else at their school does. If they stay at that school it will only get worse as they get older and everyone has iphones, ipads, laptops, etc. and then cars. I'm not saying I agree with the materialism, but it does exist and the kids WILL be exposed to it. Feeling like they can't keep up with their peers in this regard will most likely have an effect on them.
Marie, I definitely reflect back on the good things I did with my kids and now as a gramma I love making memories with them too!
The only things I have heard Kate mention doing with her kids are things like board type games. As health conscious as she supposedly is she could be outside doing much more with them.
I am far older and out of shape than her but had a blast playing tennis this summer with the gr.kids (first time since highschool!)
It's really not terrible and not at all like flying domestically.
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It depends on whether or not you're a good flier. I thought it was brutal, and if I could have come home on a ship rather than a plane, I would have done so.
Long flights are awful for people who can't sleep on planes and get backache upright like that. I too have flown many long international flights.
Ingrid said... 74
Sweet! @Kateplusmy8 Look forward to meeting you @affiliatesummit RT @couponcabin: @Route53 Yep, she'll be there!
Sounds like she will be away again in Jan. Coupon Cabin confirmed on twitter she is going to the Affiliate Summit in Las Vegas. Jan 8-10th. I wonder how many extra days she will need on this trip to rest, shop, grift rest... Free trip from CC I suppose?
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Sheesh! I saw that "Route53" tweet CC about that earlier today, asking if they were sending Khate there. I looked it up and you're right - it's the affiliate marketing convention in Las Vegas from Sunday, January 8th to Tuesday, January 10th. That probably means she'll leave Friday or Saturday and be home some time Wednesday, just like last time.
So, she's going on another Vegas trip only a little more than four weeks after she got back from her last trip there. She must be in heaven that she scored this gig. She might not be on TV, but she gets to travel, and WITHOUT the kids. Just Khate and Steve, in Vegas again, and this time she doesn't even have to run a marathon.
Affiliate Summit
Affiliate Summit West 2012
When: January 8-10, 2012
Where: Caesars Palace Las Vegas
Judy K said,
Obviously, there's not one thing about Kate that I admire, but I think that physically (and only physically), she's beautiful..."
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Judy -- up close she is not. Honest. You'd never look twice at her. Her skin is very rough and her neck is as wrinkled as an 80-year-old. She's a smidgeon above average looking, but in no way is she beautiful. Her features are "horsey," - I don't know how else to describe it. There is nothing soft, feminine and attractive about her.
I do think those little girls, Cara and Mady, too, are going to be very attractive with that exotic look. I went to school with a girl who looked very much like one of the tups (they could have been sisters). When she was in her 20s, she was stunning...absolutely gorgeous. She walked into a place, and jaws dropped. Although no one can predict at age 7 or 11 what kids will look like in ten years, they do have features that make me think that they will knock the socks off the guys!
OK, sorry, I guess I should have said "I" don't think long flights are terrible. But I do them a lot (more international than domestic) and rather enjoy the whole experience, except for the airport experience (London Heathrow is the WORST for connections). Not everyone's the same nor can everyone sleep sitting up, etc., so I apologize for my generalization!
PJ's Momma, it sounds like you are a terrific traveler. I could only wish to love plane rides that much. I'd need some serious-ass meds to fly to AU ;-).
Yay! Kate escapes that horrid state of PA yet again. I just can not believe that Kate expects people to think she'd be away from the kids more if she were a nurse. It's is utterly absurd and delusional.
No problem, PJ, we appreciate hearing about your experiences. I don't take long international flights well, mostly because I absolutely cannot sleep even for one minute on a flight, no matter how long. I arrive to my destination completely messed up and I never get acclimated to the time difference. I've flown between SFO and NYC several times a year and even THAT little three hour time difference sucked for me. I can be there a week to ten days and the entire time, I'm on my normal time clock. My kids are the same way, but my husband isn't.
In any case, the flight to Australia was extremely long for such young kids (6 and a half, and ten at the time) and I doubt all eight of them just loved it and had no difficulties. Khate just says that to deflect from the criticism that the kids were working and were taken on such a long trip just to film a TV show.
Also, despite what Khate said last year, I did notice when she came back this time, she slipped up and tweeted about being tired and jet lagged for most of the week. I remember thinking that's funny, because last year she claimed it was no problem, an easy trip for her AND all eight kids.
I knew Kate had to have a trip planned. What's the point of the summit? To promote Coupon Cabin? She must've accepted CC's job offer because she gets to travel and write bad blogs.
PJs Momma - since you have flown internationally, do you believe the supposed inside story that once appeared on another blog, that the stewardesses woke the kids and washed their faces and fed them?
She may have to start her week with a trip to NYC for her hair and NOBU, from there fly to CC offices to meet with them and fly together to LV. She could be gone over a week then.
If she is going to be there as CC spokesperson, I can hear her talking all about ME ME ME I I I MEMEME 8 count 'em 8 Kids, ME ME ME oh by the way CC. And use CC for the free trip to sell herself to all those other companies.
Ingrid, good point. She'll have to go to NYC first to get the straw bleached.
This event is an affiliate marketing convention, with a few thousand people in attendance. Click that link I have in my post above (#84) and you can read about it. Not exactly glamorous, but CC might arrange for some press with the usual Access Hollywood types who never seem to tire of Khate.
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I think it's rather interesting that when Coupon crapper replied to that person's tweet about whether Khate would be at the convention, CC left Khate's name out of the tweet and replied directly to the tweeter. As people that tweet know, when you reply to someone's tweet, you click on Reply, and the box automatically has the tweet set up with the @ name of the person who sent the tweet and any other @ Twitter names mentioned.
So, for some reason, CC deliberately deleted Khate's name from the tweet when they replied. However, when the original tweeter then replied to CC, he put Khate's name back in the tweet:
Route53 Erik Hom
@couponcabin Will @Kateplusmy8 be at @Affiliatesummit ? #asw12
December 29th, 3:04PM
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@CouponCabin CouponCabin
@route53 Yep, she'll be there!
December 29th, 7:33PM
Route53 Erik Hom
Sweet! @Kateplusmy8 Look forward to meeting you @affiliatesummit RT @couponcabin: @Route53 Yep, she'll be there! #asw12
December 29th, 7:38PM
NLAN- FYI- Reply only goes to the one person. RT goes to all mentioned. I always wished it would send reply to all but it doesn't.
Really, Ingrid? It doesn't work that way for me or anyone I know. If you tweet me, A, B, and C, when I click on reply it says to @Ingrid @A @B @C. If I don't want to include someone, or I need more room, I have to delete their names.
Hmm. It does for me. I went in and tried it before posting. Weird. Sorry didn't mean to pick on you.
This summit Kate is attending looks like a workshop to learn how to make your website more profitable. My guess is that all the CC workers will be going to learn how to improve things at the office.
I can see Kate sitting at the front table, furiously scribbling notes like a college student. Then, going home and understanding everything it says, and putting it all to good use both at CC and on KateBlogsGoodNow.com
Mr. Hom is apparently getting grief about the Big Appearance. Notice his reply to major Twitter Kate-hater - then he blocked her, lol
@grandmasf grams
@CouponCabin @route53 her blogs for CC are worthless. Yet you,re letting her grift a free trip when she brings 0 value 2 your company.
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Route53 Erik Hom
@grandmasf You don't know what my company does. Also she adds great value to the industry and brings lots of awareness.
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I'm afraid he must not realize that the "value" and "awareness" is not positive! And actually, what his company does is not a secret. He is a speaker at the conference and all of the company info is there, as well as online elsewhere.
That is what this whole conference is for - internet marketing. Not exactly prime time for Kate.
The results are in . . . and NO, unbelievably, Kate was NOT the winner of the "So Over Them 2011" category on the People.com poll. She came in SECOND to the Kardashians. Would love to see how the purported 3mm votes in that category broke down.
Oh well, there's always next year. Although by then, with any luck, she'll be part of the "Where Are They Now?" category.
So without TLC picking up the tab, the kids haven't gone anywhere have they? What are Kate's "winter traditions?" There previous summer "tradition" was to go to Bald Head Island, will they be doing that? Staying at a big rented house?
All I hear about is where Kate gets to go. NYC, LA, Australia (again) and wherever the heck CC is located I can't remember off top of my head.
So much for "real life," if it was she would still be pulling the kids out of school, going here and there like the cost meant nothing with the kids. But it's all about her.
Not to change the subject, but THEY GOT A FISH? That poor fish. He is going to die a horrible death...if he is not dead yet. I still think an animal protection group should take Shoka. Do they still have the chickens?
According to the expert professor of all things fishy at my local Walmart, those Beta fish are mean. They kill any other fish in sight and will bite little fingers. I've never had a Beta so I don't know if that's true, but I hope Kate did a little research before she decided on the fish to give little children.
Sir Shoka needs to keep his rubber chickens out of that bowl or he'll never see them again.
I read earlier that a fan base apparently shut down. Was it IW? IW and BM are the only fan sites I know of.
BTW, I was googling traits of a narcissist, and found this website.
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/08/04/how-to-spot-a-narcissist/
It says: "Narcissism, in lay terms, basically means that a person is totally absorbed in self. The extreme narcissist is the center of his own universe. To an extreme narcissist, people are things to be used. It usually starts with a significant emotional wound or a series of them culminating in a major trauma of separation/attachment. No matter how socially skilled an extreme narcissist is, he has a major attachment dysfunction. The extreme narcissist is frozen in childhood. He became emotionally stuck at the time of his major trauma of separation/attachment.
In my work with extreme narcissist patients I have found that their emotional age and maturity corresponds to the age they experienced their major trauma. This trauma was devastating to the point it almost killed that person emotionally. The pain never was totally gone and the bleeding was continuous. In order to survive, this child had to construct a protective barrier that insulates him/her from the external world of people. He generalized that all people are harmful and cannot be trusted.
The protective insulation barrier he constructed is called a false persona. He created a false identity. This identity is not the true person inside. The many types of false personas or identities that an extreme narcissist creates can vary."
So did something traumatic happen to Kate in her teen years, that she acts like a junior high girl all the time? She screeches, throws temper tantrums, whines, complains, etc. And this fake persona that it talks about- that's exactly what Kate is doing. Pretending to be this super organized, rushed, frazzled, loving and devoted mother. Unfortunately, her fans are buying her fake persona and refuse to see what's been in front of them all along.
AMEN, SmileyGrl752 (102). Khate Goselin is all that your post describes.
Kate was a terribly homely adolescent, coarse featured, bad teeth, thick glasses, weak chin, mousy frizzy hair, huge cankled legs, wonky eye. Something tells me she was rejected by the cool girls and definitely by the boys. And it might explain her preoccupation with her looks and weight; overcompensation for what she naturally is...mediocre and completely unfeminine
Fido said...They kill any other fish in sight and will bite little fingers. I've never had a Beta so I don't know if that's true, but I hope Kate did a little research before she decided on the fish to give little children.
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I've had bettas, and I wouldn't worry too much about biting humans. They may try, but they can't really open their jaws far enough to dismember anyone. If they bite, it just feels like a slight pinch. They can actually be trained to do tricks, like jumping through hoops, or leaping out of the water to take food out of your hand. They're smart fish, but yes, they can be nasty. Not all of them, however, have mean personalities. I've had some that were really friendly and got along very well with a few neon tetras that were in the tank.
It all depends on the fish and how aggressive it is.
Ingrid said... 95
Hmm. It does for me. I went in and tried it before posting. Weird. Sorry didn't mean to pick on you.
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No problem, Ingrid! I didn't think you were picking on me at all. I was just curious because it doesn't work that way for me on Twitter. That's funny that you went in and tried it before you posted, because I did the same thing before I posted back to you. I went to Khate's Twitter feed and tried to reply to a non-fan tweet. When I hit reply, it automatically has the tweeter's name, followed by the other people she had included in her tweet. If I want to leave them out, I have to delete them.
It's so weird that it doesn't work that way for everyone. I read Khate's Twitter page all the time (just a search page for her Twitter name) and it seems to work like that for most, because the replies always have all the names in them.
I go through Twazzup so maybe that is different?
how do her blogs on CC about herself promote their site and its coupons? and even if I go to the site to read her crap I don't do anything re the coupons. Big plus for CC there!
Btw, speaking of Coupon Crapper, remember when I posted about the employee they sent out to PA to meet with Khate in that hotel, (the day Extra interviewed her)? She was a brand new employee, only on her fourth day on the job. I think that was in early November? Well, I checked her Twitter and she tweeted last week that she already left CC and has a new job!
Ingrid said... 107
I go through Twazzup so maybe that is different?
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Mystery solved! That must be it. I never used Twazzup to tweet, just to read tweets.
barbee said... 108
how do her blogs on CC about herself promote their site and its coupons?
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CC seems to be an afterthought, after she talks about herself. If she was a real couponer she would be able to write a better blog that would teach people new things. Maybe CC is just counting on the sheeple who worship anything Kate to show up and after they are done drooling over her babbling they might click on a coupon just cuz their idol supposedly uses CC.
Have you all seen this idiot mother? I think she has three kids, because she tweeted about her middle child once. She's been asking Khate for medical advice regarding her two year old son for a week now:
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 have a question for a nurse/mom, u there?
December 23rd, 9:56AM
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After Christmas, she tried again a couple of days ago (but Khate didn't reply to her many tweets that night):
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 have a nurse question for ya about my toddler you there?
December 27th, 7:46PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 my son (age2) is suddenly anemic- dr said due to milk allergy causing occult bleeding in lrg intestine and took him off all
December 27th, 7:54PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 dairy products- have you heard of this? He wont drink soy or almond milk, loves yogurt, cheese, peanut butter etc :(
December 27th, 7:55PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 he thinks the anemia is being caused by this milk allergy?? He lost a 1/2 lb from 19 mo -2 yr check up
December 27th, 7:56PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 did you get all that?
December 27th, 8:07PM
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So, tonight, she tried again and finally got Khate's attention:
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 did you happen to catch that nurse question the other night about my baby?
December 29th, 5:16PM
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
@jcreaney11 Ahh yes, I was falling asleep so didn't answer and now I need reminded.. :( sorry. Ask again? :)
December 29th, 6:49PM
I don't know what she's doing here. She isn't sending any info, just saying "found it", "part2", "part 3":
jcreaney11 Jill
@jcreaney11 @kateplusmy8 found it
December 29th, 6:51PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@jcreaney11 @kateplusmy8 part 2
December 29th, 6:51PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@jcreaney11 @Kateplusmy8 part 3
December 29th, 6:52PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 ok sent it in 3 parts- read in reply to part and let me know
December 29th, 6:53PM
After getting replies from "haters", a few of which she answered, she tweeted Khate again. She claims it was just a question from one mom to another, but note above that she always said it was a question for Khate as a nurse:
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 sorry girl didn't know one question/concern from one mom to another would stir up so much garbage #:(
December 29th, 7:15PM
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
@jcreaney11 I don't see any but this tweet. Maybe email me?
December 29th, 7:16PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 yes, I'll email you- thx mama!
December 29th, 7:56PM
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Btw, this Einstein also tweets her comments, advice, and support to the reality TV teen moms.
Also, from a few weeks ago:
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplsmy8 Did u ever experience knee pain running distance on a treadmill??
December 9th, 6:37PM
jcreaney11 Jill
@Kateplusmy8 any advice?I'm stuck on treadmill here in Chicago for a few months- would u ice after?
December 9th, 6:40PM
Khate's tweet from yesterday:
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Guess what we did 2day? Our fam& friends hosted an ice skating (private) party at an ice rink!Had SO much fun! Kids can't wait2skate again!
December 28th, 9:59 PM
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Ummmm... there was a (private) ice skating party and it is my understanding that a great time was had by all. I heard about the folks who organized it and Kate wasn't one of them. No G or K family members were sighted either. Admin, I hope I'm not overreaching on #2. I just can't believe her F-ing nerve and I couldn't let this one go.
Oh please. Don't tell me other parents are actually considering getting advice from Kate via Twitter...about their own children. "My doctor said this, is this true?" It's absolutely ridiculous. People are willing to ask a once-upon-a-time labor and deliver/dialysis nurse if what their pediatrician said is true or false or if it's a good idea or whining about changes? Or advice how to exercise when there is snow?
Are people that mentally challenged? Sure, let us ALL seek the wise and consulting nursing abilities of Kate Gosselin, mother of 8. Because as we all know, she who has 8 kids must surely know more than the other who has 1, 2 or 3 children.
Just wow. I pray when I have children I would never stoop to be so challenge that I wouldn't take the immediate advice of my child's physician.
SmileyGirl, I have often wondered about what Kate may have gone through in her youth. Before seeing her as an abusive, selfish and self-indulgent narcissist, I saw some serious damage in her. In a Halloween episode, Kate had a visible panic attack over the pumpkin mess. I felt for her when I first saw it, because I used to experience them as a side effect of PTSD. She's had numerous bouts of anxiety on camera, and some treatment could really help her. I mean that in all seriousness. Or at least, as it applied to the Kate of a few years ago. Seems she is in less touch with her emotions today than back then. She's all paint and lacquer with no substance. So sad. I must be really tired or unusually charitable at the moment, because I really do pity her. If only there weren't 8 kids relying on this broken and twisted woman......
Anon for this said... 113
Ummmm... there was a (private) ice skating party and it is my understanding that a great time was had by all. I heard about the folks who organized it and Kate wasn't one of them. No G or K family members were sighted either. Admin, I hope I'm not overreaching on #2. I just can't believe her F-ing nerve and I couldn't let this one go
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This doesn't surprise me at all. What Kate does is IMPLY she did such and such. When in fact she did nothing. Same old smoke and mirror gig.
Maybe Kate took some cookies out of her freezer and served them at the ice skating party.
Instant hostess!
When most people "host" an event, they reserve the venue, send out the invitations, find the chaperones, provide refreshments, and are the first to arrive and last to leave. They make certain all the guests are taken care of.
Did Kate "host"?
Kate was a terribly homely adolescent, coarse featured, bad teeth, thick glasses, weak chin, mousy frizzy hair, huge cankled legs, wonky eye. Something tells me she was rejected by the cool girls and definitely by the boys.
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I don't think that she was any more homely than any other 7th or 8th grader. That's an awkward stage that all girls go through...the ugly duckling period. I've pulled out photos of myself at that age and thought - who IS that person? I mean, it was BAD! By the time she was in senior high, she was a fairly cute and perky cheerleader, and as such, was not unpopular.
Pity Party, no, I never believed that story about the flight attendants getting the kids up and ready. It's not their job and they actually take sleep breaks on those flights, so the cabin is not fully 'staffed' at all times. I've seen parents let their kids do AWFUL things on those flights and the attendants are reluctant to correct even the parents, so I seriously doubt they are going to help 8 little kids get ready, when they're trying to serve breakfast (which involves taking menu orders up in that cabin), clean it up, clean the cabin, prepare for landing, etc.
Anon for this said... 113
Khate's tweet from yesterday:
Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
Guess what we did 2day? Our fam& friends hosted an ice skating (private) party at an ice rink!Had SO much fun! Kids can't wait2skate again!
December 28th, 9:59 PM
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Ummmm... there was a (private) ice skating party and it is my understanding that a great time was had by all. I heard about the folks who organized it and Kate wasn't one of them. No G or K family members were sighted either. Admin, I hope I'm not overreaching on #2. I just can't believe her F-ing nerve and I couldn't let this one go.
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Wow, just wow. How in the world does she think she'd be able to get away with a lie like that? Does she really think no locals are on blogs or Twitter? I guess so.
I was wondering why Khate didn't snap a photo of the kids ice skating and tweet it, since she's trying to make it appear that she does normal things with them.
PJ's momma said... 119
Pity Party, no, I never believed that story about the flight attendants getting the kids up and ready. It's not their job and they actually take sleep breaks on those flights, so the cabin is not fully 'staffed' at all times. I've seen parents let their kids do AWFUL things on those flights and the attendants are reluctant to correct even the parents, so I seriously doubt they are going to help 8 little kids get ready, when they're trying to serve breakfast (which involves taking menu orders up in that cabin), clean it up, clean the cabin, prepare for landing, etc.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I seem to recall suspecting that that particular post, about the flight attendant, was written by none other than our resident "oh yes, she did" blogger,,,,,,,the one with the gazillion different identities and jobs, haha.
With the way we have seen Kate's children behave in public stores and other places--what with their screaming, shouting, running around--I find myself also to doubt that all 8 of her kids were behaved little angels and enjoyed every minute of every flight. I've never had the chance to fly international but with kids...I just don't see them being able to constantly be able to be so well mannered and up and ready to go, go, go as Kate claims.
Regardless of her upbringing in PA, I doubt we will ever know the truth since nobody in her family has spoken, expect her how she was "over disciplined," and such or her brother Kevin but I can't remember what he said if anything of their growing up other than he felt hurt because they used to be buddies I guess.
At one point we learned that Kevin used to take
Kate's punishments for her.
Lets see...no one here said kate is just like gadhafi. Some here have said we are glad to see them both gone. Gadhafi was a puke. And kate is a puke...Yes...I'm glad to see them both gone.kate didnt have the power that gadhafi did thank god.
Gadhafi was a tyrant...kate is just a puke. Kate says she misses her friends...what friends? Please name 1 friend she has had from the get go. Who has stood behind her....who has her back? No one! And why is that?
Cause kate is a puke. Kate dosent care who she hurts...or who she steps on
All that matters to her is keeping her name in the headlines.The 8 kids mean nothing more to her than a pay check. kate gets paid for doing tv the kids get nothing...When asked by Ellen...are you going to buy the 6 kids cars...? Kate says Hell no!!! They need to get jobs to pay for thier cars.
UMMMM kate...havent the tups been working from day one? And the twins? Mady and Cara? They should all get cars and a very fat check when they turn 18.
I dont believe for one second that kate talked to the kids about anything...Other than telling them we have no show cause of your dad...we dont get to travel anymore cause of your dad. I really believe kate heaps the guilt on the kids.You'r dad did this.
Those kids are trying SO hard to please kate.This woman needs to be stopped.She is hurting the kids so much.
Kate you dont play with the kids...you don't talk to the kids...you dont give a shit how they feel...you could care less about what they want.All you care about is your next tv appearence. Well,kate...I do believe your number is up!
Looks like another Vegas trip is in the works.
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Getting really sick and tired of all the bitch fighting here, Admin. Please don't let it ruin this blog. It's becoming more and more tiresome to plod through the posts here.
"Halleluiah, there IS a God!" was a freaking JOKE. Some people really need to just lighten the hell up. You know, like take the stick out.
Jeez Louise, I will never understand why people spend so much time on blogs that annoy the hell out of them. It's a great big internet, just look around.
Maybe Kate thinks the kids are so awesome on flights because she is completely passed out on whatever sedative she takes. She snoozes through the majority of the flight, leaving the nannies and crew/dads to care for her also-medicated kids. However, she does have the wherewithal to do her hair and makeup prior to landing. What a drugged out, negligent, self absorbed tool. I do not think she'd be able to handle a flight with the kids now that TLC is done with her
Hopefully Kate will plan a summer vacation for the kids NOW, while places are available. They earned it. Does not have to be NC, could be anywhere, but her excuses for not planning a simple summer vacation and securing a vacation place for her kids is ridiculous. It appears she is not a great planner/mastermind (without TLC), very tight with the money the kids earned, and trying to keep her options open for any free trip or whatever gig she is hoping to find.
In Kate's warped mind, all trips must be paid for by someone else. And recently, without TLC, the trips have been all about her.
I can't believe she has managed to grift another trip to Vegas. Stevie too?
I liked the comment a while back from a true Christian that Kate should forgive....I am forever perplexed with her meanness towards family members. If she wasn't ordered by he court for Jon to see those kids, she'd blow him off too.
Gosselin8ComeFirst said... 132
Hopefully Kate will plan a summer vacation for the kids NOW, while places are available. They earned it. Does not have to be NC, could be anywhere, but her excuses for not planning a simple summer vacation and securing a vacation place for her kids is ridiculous. It appears she is not a great planner/mastermind (without TLC), very tight with the money the kids earned, and trying to keep her options open for any free trip or whatever gig she is hoping to find.
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So true. We've already paid our half for next years OBX vacation. Here's yet another head scratcher for Kate-- remember how show was so proud of herself for "suddenly" coming up with the idea to take the kids to BHI when the kitchen was grifted? I remember she sat in her basement chair and bragged about how this epiphany came to her suddenly, and how it was too dangerous to have kids in the house with construction and that she just could not be doing dishes in the bathtub or some hyperbole shit like that.
Then, Kate said she just got the whole vacation banged out in ONE DAY, last minute. Now, this involved transportation, the house, all of the planned filming, food etc, etc. etc.
If Kate actually has as much tenacity as she says she does, she could have arranged a beach house for a week or so. But, alas, TLC is not footing the bill and providing all the support, so the kids are SOL.
We've been going to the OBX for a few years now and have looked at many realty companies along many, many beaches and I can tell you, this story makes no sense at all.
Actually, come to think of it, I think it would be great if the kids did not vacation together but went off to camp, or spent time with relatives. They need to be separated for periods of time in order to bloom as individuals.
Kate would have to reserve a house now for the summer of 2013. 2012 is prob already full. Those beach houses in N.C go fast. I'm sure that TLC had that trip planned for at least 1 year. She never takes those kids anywhere.
From Radar Online:
She might be the most hated mom on television, and Kate Gosselin continued to earn the ire of the country when shocking photos showed her allowing one of her eight young children to play underneath the wheels of the family van. Rather than get out of the vehicle and supervise the children when she picked them up, Kate stayed in the driver’s seat while the little boy crawled under the van. A child safety group blasted the Kate Plus 8 star, saying “She is blessed she didn’t run him over.”
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/12/reality-tv-scandals-year-photos-2011
I seem to recall suspecting that that particular post, about the flight attendant, was written by none other than our resident "oh yes, she did" blogger,,,,,,,the one with the gazillion different identities and jobs, haha.
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You got it right. At one point, "oh yes, she did" also worked for a cruise ship line - was it somewhere in Florida? I'm not sure if this was the same time she was employed in an office across the street from the Philly art museum, but if it was, it must have been one heck of a commute!
While I disagree with the notion that Kate's boy (Colin?) was "playing" under the van, he was still in danger and Kate blew it off.
First, we know that Kate responded on Twitter, I believe, that no, she wasn't unaware that Colin went under the van to retrieve something (paper, water bottle, who cares? doesn't matter) but that she gave him permission to do it.
Which is, of course, worse, as in, not just lazy, but stupid.
Kate! your kid crawled under your 2500 pound vehicle while you were in the van!
I know, I told him he could!
Oh, well then, never mind. As long as you gave the boy permission to do it....
Of course this was the last word that Kate had about it. If she can't "set th record straight, she ignores it. Just like Mr. Blankenship, an editor on her show, with unfettered access to raw footage of the kids, who is accused of trafficing in child pornography.
"Don't know him!"
Oh, well then, you don't know him so, OK, no problem here folks, Move along.
I don't think so Tim.
Kreider is so cheap it hurts. Can't bear to take the kids ice skating unless someone else pays for it. Then has the nerve to imply/lie that she had something to do with paying for this (private...big whoop) affair. She is cheap, she lies/fantasizes, she is overly concerned with appearances, she only cares about herself. What she doesn't get is that she just looks more pathetic the more she speaks. Oh, and business conventions are booooring. She will be surrounded by a lot of mediocre people
Is there absolutely any point in mentioning that it was a "private" ice skating party, other than to show off about your first-class-ish lifestyle?
140-Well, maybe she charged the guests to use the rink or to make a food contribution! Classy? NOT!!
She did say in her helpful hints never to refuse an offer of food or help in the holiday season...you know, the reason for the season?
I'd be far more impressive if the kids just went ice skating with the other kids instead of once again, having a venue shut down just for them. The odds of them not expecting VIP, first class treatment in the future is dwindling the older they get.
It's not their fault at all either.
I wonder if Kate can not handle the anxiety of mingling in public with the kids, without any film crew or other staff to run interference should they approach her. She seemed to become nearly frantic when approached at the Franklin Institute in Philly and ditched out the nearest door!
Prefacing this to say I'm far, far from a sheeple. I'd like to share my experience with ice skating parties. Skating (roller and ice) parties are pretty common in my area - northeast, not far from Kate. The rinks have private parties during off hours and the rink is closed to all but the partiers and their parents/families. You can buy a party package that includes cake, food, etc - it's a fun way to host a party, especially if you're inviting lots of kids. I did this twice when my kids were younger.
I'm not saying this is what Kate participated in, but it's a possibility.
Nobody Likes a Narcissist (NLAN), be patient with them. There are a lot of displaced refugees right now looking for a new home. Why in the world they would look for a home in "enemy" territory is beyond me, but they're not that bright.
Jane: I'm also in the Northeast and yes, this is common and lots of fun! Maybe that is what Kate did as she wouldn't want to mingle with 'mediocre' people, but also it's a good way to keep an eye on all the 'wee' guests...who knows- we don't have a photo!
Once my daughter was invited to a sleepover party at a hotel- the next day she came home and the 'hosting' mother had a bill for each guest for the food and room! All my child had eaten was a bagel and shared a bed with two other girls. That's why I thought maybe Kate would do the same. I was flabbergasted , but paid up!
Re: The ice skating - I didn't get the impression from her tweet that she was saying SHE organized/hosted the party but rather that they were invited guests. Someone from Berks County already commented earlier stating that she wasn't involved in the planning as well.
As for her mentioning "family and friends", remember that anyone who does something for Kate or whom she feels she can use in some way is usually designated as "family" whether they are or not. So while literally none of her biological family may have been involved, her "designated family" probably was.
Hope that made sense.
Saying "hosted" has a pretty specific meaning.
At the time of the vacation issue earlier this year, someone on this blog researched rentals online, and there were several, if not many, large houses available. I think that without TLC footing the bill, Kate was not going. It will be interesting to see what happens this summer.
Good points about planning for summer activities NOW. Our daughter will be going to France for a month for a summer course and the application process starts now. You also have to start making payments on the cost of the program now (first $900 is due soon!).
I'm going to be doing a bit of extra work here and there and my husband is putting off a home project to afford this, but to us, it's very worth it. Also, she will be contributing 5% of the cost from her part-time job. This course is something my daughter wants to major in in college, so it's a very big deal, academically, for her to be able to do this. It was her idea, but after researching it and talking about the cost, we decided we wanted to help her do this. (We were going to do a Danube river cruise in summer of 2013, the three of us, but we decided this was too important to her future goals, so we won't be taking that trip.)
I cringe at the appearance of bragging on myself here, but Kate could take a lesson or two on how to actually put her kids first.
Well, she's twitting more "winks" to Milo. At first, when TLC announced that the show was cancelled, I was afraid that the "winks" meant that she had something in the works and we would be stuck with her (and, more importantly, the kids) on TV forever. But then a month passed...and another...and another...and another, and nothing materialized. Sure, she's still winking, but by now we know that it doesn't mean she has a new media opportunity. It's looking to me like those winks are just a nervous twitch. Might want to get that checked out, Kate.
Layla
So Kate get another free trip in 2012 with Steve and here. I thought she was going to change.
Yeah, Kate once again escapes the compound for LV, but that is a part of many, many jobs. Even if she was a nurse, she could be going to LV for a convention.
Actually, I think it'll be a really big let down. My guess is that the experience for Kate will be different than others there as she is sure to be doing press, but if she's truly there to learn for 6-8 hours a day, it's no vacation.
When I traveled for education and professional conventions/seminars/workshops, it was a long, long day, every day. So much to fit in, but I usually managed to see some sights and take things in so it wasn't all work and no play.
No bodyguard for me though!
Dallas Lady, you are giving without expecting anything in return (except knowing how much your sacrifice means). Well, actually it sounds like it brings you happiness!
What I don't hear from you is "Moms deserve pamering!! Moms need spa days!! Moms can have fun too!!"
For many moms, that will never be, or very rarely be, a carrot dangled in front of them. Their rewards are more intangible.
Tucker's Mom said... 140
I'd be far more impressive if the kids just went ice skating with the other kids instead of once again, having a venue shut down just for them. The odds of them not expecting VIP, first class treatment in the future is dwindling the older they get.
It's not their fault at all either.
I wonder if Kate can not handle the anxiety of mingling in public with the kids, without any film crew or other staff to run interference should they approach her. She seemed to become nearly frantic when approached at the Franklin Institute in Philly and ditched out the nearest door!
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I think the idea behind renting the rink out privately, was to give all the many first time ice skaters plenty of room for navigating around the rink! All the children truly had a blast and what a fun thing to do over the long break.
The fact that Kate is actually participating with the kid's friends and their parents, is a huge step for her. Baby steps, though. Her phone was stuck to her ear a good part of the time. Was she really talking to anyone? That's anybody's guess. If that's what she needs to do to civily get through (or avoid) several hours of interaction with other people, more power to her. Before, she would just say no to some invites and keep the kids home.
As he has tweeted in the past, Jon usually accompanied the kids to schoolmate functions. Before the show was cancelled, Kate's air was too rare to associate with 'those people' unless it was the tups birthday parties being filmed for the show. Working on show themes and getting ready for filming was an easy and convenient excuse for getting out most things she didn't want to do. When the show was cancelled, she not only lost the prestige and income of having her own show, but also lost her no. 1 excuse for avoiding everything she didn't want to do. **I'm speculating only** but it looks to me like she's replaced the frequent travel for the former imaginary constant show obligations as a way of escaping from not so much the kids, but the activities that would require her to be involved. As myself and many, many of the moms here know, at some point we submit and resign ourselves to letting our kids try all the activities & sports they want to try. We know this is temporary and a sure fire way for them to find a passion. Kate's not there yet. Maybe someday.
I do not know if she had a party at her home last week, I didn't ask. I only know what is voluntarily shared with me. But I tend to think she did. She has accepted fact that the kids have friends, talk to other kids and make plans. She is most comfortable when it is organized, on her turf and she is in control and calling the shots.
Dare I say, I think she has been a bit humbled by getting the axe by TLC. Still, not humble enough to just say the kids went skating, she had to take credit for the entire thing :( But as I said above, baby steps. From a quasi-insider's view, it looks like the kid's future is looking bright and more focused on them.
Again Admin, I hope I'm not bending #2. I never say anything about anything, but I thought because there has been some positive happenings for the kids I thought they could be shared in a benign way. I will go back to my usual name and usual zipped lips!
Actually, I don't think what Dallas Lady shared was "minute" in the least. Study abroad is a major thing to anyone lucky enough to experience it (no, I did not). Kudos to her and her husband for re-prioritizing their goals with their child's future in mind,
Anon this time said... 156
Tucker's Mom said... 140
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Really good news and insights indeed. I have noticed Kate mentioning other people; family and friends. As long as "family" is not code for a film crew (filming, because hey, they can visit), then that's really, really wonderful.
Thanks for respectfully sharing.
Hey...Dallas Lady, I enjoy your posts. Don't delete details or opinions. Thanks from someone who follows your posts.
Dallas Lady....You sound like WONDERFUL MOTHER.....
I agree with everyone else-I too enjoy Dallas Lady's posts.
mim-well said.
Seems to me like some recently displaced bloggers have no other place to criticize this blog and its posters, so they feel they have to come here to do so.
156- Thank you! So confusing with so much contradictory information, including information that the kids did not go ice skating at all. Your summary includes other thoughts as well, and they all sound true, logical and on point with what is going on.
You seem to know what you are talking about and I do hope the G8 had a great time. And of course know Kate (the Matermind) did not plan anything. I am simply glad if the kids got a chance to interact with their friends for a fun event with no cameras. Yeah for them!
Thank you for sharing, Dallas Lady. I thought it was interesting. I hope your daughter has a very enriching time in France and follows through with that career choice of hers.
But be careful. A friend's daughter went to Spain for a year's studies, loved it, and 6 years later is still there, working. Word to the wise: if she starts loving it a whole lot, consider cutting off the money trail before she gets too settled. ;-)
Kate likes to brag and embellish. That trait is below mediocre, don't you think? Only very insecure people need to do that.
Dallas Lady, you are one of the reasons I read here. Your comments are always intelligent and insightful. Don't let a few bullies change that.
For the second time in two days, I am avoiding this site, as there seem to be a couple of newer disrespectful posters coming on here just to argue, criticise and bash (not respectfully debate/discuss mind you).
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Is this the same blog as it was two weeks ago? It sounds like some of the angry tweeters (the ones who claim to be adults but attack each other with the most hateful verbal venom I've ever heard) seems to have migrated over here. What's going on?
Anon this time - 156,
Thank you for taking time to post about the facts of the skating party. It is encouraging to know that kart is, seemingly, making small steps toward integrating herself into the kids' world by interacting (at whatever level) with their friends and friend's parents.
It gives all of us here, who have hoped for a long time that the kids could enjoy a 'normal' childhood, some comfort that it is happening.
I don't think we need to know what all is going on in their lives, as they are now private citizens as it were. But occasional comments like yours are so very comforting for those of us who have worried that kart robbed the kids of a normal childhood by exploiting them. From time to time, hearing the kids are involved and no longer isolated is such good news.
As far as kart, I also believe like someone earlier said, that she has real emotional/mental/personality problems that prevent her from being comfortable around other people.
There were several episodes that showed kart having real, clinical anxiety when she had to interact with 'real folks' and kart did not have full control of the situation.
I have no doubt at this point she is terrified that someone will confront her in public about her nasty personality and lack of motherhood skills. She knows she's a bitch; she just doesn't want anyone to call her on it. Maybe that is why she hides behind that damn pink phone at her ear when in public - she is actively shunning folks and discouraging interaction. Purseboy serves the same purpose - a wall between her and reality.
Ah well, progress is often made in baby steps. So be it.............
They can't stand it that one of their own ran away with her tail btwn her legs. They've attacked you for so long and that was fine but now that one of their own was "attacked" (not as harshly or personally as you were, BTW), they cry like "we" did this.
Everybody is getting blamed but the bottom line is who had that information in the first place? Surely this blog owner didn't trust any "haters" with her private information. Just something the sheep might want to think about before pointing fingers in every hater's direction.
To Dallas Lady (#146): You (and your husband) are great. That vile witch Khate has NEVER sacrificed to allow her children to go on trips...only when they are freebies from TLC. The more I hear about decent parents, the more I hate Khatezilla. And for the life of me, I still don't understand the we "HOSTED" and "PRIVATE" crap that she just HAD to mention. GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE, KHATE. You are NOTHING special, not even with your 8 -- count them, 8 -- kids.
Kate is a twit said... 169
I agree with everyone else-I too enjoy Dallas Lady's posts.
mim-well said.
Seems to me like some recently displaced bloggers have no other place to criticize this blog and its posters, so they feel they have to come here to do so.
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Dallas, I also enjoy reading your posts.
Keep on, keepin' on...
Ignore the mal-educated troll.
Dallas Lady, you sound like a great mom, one who does indeed 'do it all for the kids." I hope your daughter enjoys France. By paying part of her way, that will make it that much more special.
Re: Kate's participation w/ the kids. I think she is just shrinking the program Kate plus 8 into her twitter and website, by putting on the public appearance of being a good Christian mom, teaching the right lessons, 'culturing' the kids, working hard for them, playing with them, giving them everything 'they' deserve'--well, I also think she's taking pains to follow this blog and other feedback to know what the public temperature is...she will do what she thinks is expected of the 'perfect mom' and make up stories when she is caught out. JMO.
Dallas Lady, thank you for sharing your story about your daughter going to study in France. What a fabulous experience it will be for her. You have inspired me to research some possible opportunities for programs my daughter can participate in.
None of us should let ourselves get too riled up by any of the angry Little Kate Peep fans searching for a new home to stir up trouble. I think the best course of action is to not engage them when they make their rude and snide remarks. They will find it very maddening to be ignored, so if we leave them alone they soon will go home, wagging their tails behind them.
Happy New Year, all!
Ah well, she can play happy mom this week as the light at the end of her tunnel is apparently another paid trip to Las Vegas, baby. And the word knows she does not go alone, so more Stevie time. I just wonder what hapoens when there are no junkets on the horizon; while we here groan to read about this one, they do seem fewer and farther. Happy that her kids are getting out to do some normal school break activities this seaon.
But I would also be happier if the anonymous rude trolls would take a hike.
I do not know if she had a party at her home last week, I didn't ask. I only know what is voluntarily shared with me. But I tend to think she did.
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Yes, she did. Thanks for posting. You saved me from doing it. Kate is what she is, but there still tweets from the "haterz" who are miles and miles away from any of this and think they know everything that goes on with the kids and their friends. They call Kate a liar and that she didn't have a party because she keeps them totally isolated, never allowing them to do anything unless it's within their own family unit. It's just not true anymore. I can't ever seeing her becoming a "normal" mom, but she is making some progress.
I wonder if she will go to the Camp Fair or be involved with Fund Fest this year! :)
I'm sooo not caught up on things. Is Ashley back nannying or has Kate found someone else to stay with the kids while she and Steve go on their little getaways? They ARE out in the open now aren't they, or are they still denying it?
A couple of things: To AuntieAnn (#185) -- I highly doubt that Ashley is still with the Wicked Witch of the East, Khatezilla. I'm sure that Ashley has had her fill of that manipulating, dysfunctional sociopath. And as far as the grifter's relationship with Stevie-poo, the rat-clawed Purse Boy goes, NO, there has been no public declaration of their love/lust/whatever for each other. I am under the impression that these two con artists are still denying it.
And to Lancaster County Parent (#184) -- Ha, that is rich, your pathetic statement about Khate's mothering skills: "I can't ever see her becoming a 'normal' mom... 'nough said on that one.
Rearranging the Deck Chairs on the Titanic said... 186
Lancaster County Parent (#184) -- Ha, that is rich, your pathetic statement about Khate's mothering skills: "I can't ever see her becoming a 'normal' mom... 'nough said on that one.
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Sure, it is pathetic, and it will never happen, but I hear you hoping, Lancaster, as most of us do, too.
She'll never be a real mother, she'll just play one for the PR, but almost all of us wish much more for the kids.
Anon for this said... 113 Says Kate & Co were NOT at the skating party.
Anon this time said... 156 Says Kate & Co WERE at the skating party.
Lancaster County Parent said... 184 Paints Kate as a completely changed women.
Whom are we to believe?
Dallas Lady - I love your posts.
Sheeple - GO HOME!
Not only are her traveling gigs fewer and farther in between, they are far less prestigious. She's circling the drain. Doesn't look like something in tv will fall in her lap despite all her hinting around. She's worthless as a tv personality, spokesperson and mother. Poison. Liar.
I think just let Kate figure it out for herself that people have lost interest. Surely she did not think she could remain on television and so popular amongst "mediocre" people until her children were 18 now did she? Honestly and truly if she did she needs help.
Find it interesting that her life suddenly became her "career." That her "realest of reality show" became a "career." I don't know it just strikes me as odd that it morphed into be such. What was the career? I guess I must have missed it.
We saw her yell at Jon, take the kids places but not participate, cook, whine about having to clean up, yell at her kids, sit on the plastic chair, whine to Steve. Divorce Jon, whine some more, belittle people and demand, demand, demand. If that's a career it's not a very wise one.
Just let Kate circle that drain. Sooner or later she might figure it out that this isn't "Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs," and that no career is going to fall out of sky just because she asked for it. A career is something you have to work at, you have to earn money raises and being promoted. Just once I'd like her to whine and hear the real world tell her, "Sorry, you get what you get so don't get upset. This is what the job pays, this is your leave this, this is what is expected of you. You work for me. Take it or leave it."
I mean, did her parents not prepare her for life? How to take care of herself? Sad she seems so needy and dependent upon others.
Do me a favor, instead of replying to an off the wall comment like that, just ignore it. I couldn't get to it today because I was out. I apologize to Dallas Lady and pulling a page from Kate, I have no help today (oh the horror).
It creates a lot more work for me to delete when everyone is talking about it.
Permanent Name, please don't assume that I have chosen not to delete a comment unless I said so. I may have not see it yet, I may be at work, I may not have help today, I may not have understood what it was talking about, all of the above.
I couldn't agree with you more, I do NOT want the blog to be some kind of playground for lost bitter sheep, but honestly everyone talking about it endlessly doesn't help. Just ignore it. You have made a ton more work for me to do because now I have to not just delete the inappropriate post, but everyone else's posts talking about it. Ugh.
And I apologize to Dallas Lady about this, profusely.
Lancaster mom, the reason people don't believe Kate and call her a liar is because she is a big fat liar!! This is what happens when someone lies a lot: people may not believe you even when you tell the truth. If she is integrating into local society, great for the kids. But she's still lying and bragging even while doing so. That tweet would have gone over much better if she just said, "the kids had a great time at an ice skating party" or better yet, nothing.
Dallas Lady - love your posts and congratulations on your daughter's plans to study in France. My daughter studied in Italy and LOVED it. Then, she met a boy she loved even more. She moved there after college graduation and they're running a little pub together in a village north of Rome. Sorry Admin for the OT but I really enjoy everyone's stories here and thought I'd share my own.
Dallas Lady,
I thought I smelled sheeple here again. Leave them alone and they'll go home, waggin' their tails behind them...'There are going to be a few of them looking for a new home, but won't fit in here, because we are a decent and loyal crew.
I almost left one time and you gratiously encouraged me to stay, along with others who I enjoy here too.You were telling us a little about your daughter, which is what real Moms do.
We are proud of them and their accomplishments and act like any parents would, give up things for them because we love them and want our kids to flourish.
This is what Kate never does, because she thinks the world revolves around her.It would never even occur to Kate to do what you are doing, because of her NPD and her needy disposition.
Hopefully, these lost trolls will find a new home somewhere they'll fit in better,but not here. GO AWAY, TROLLS!
Keep posting here, Dallas Lady,I love you and your posts.
But she's still lying and bragging even while doing so. That tweet would have gone over much better if she just said, "the kids had a great time at an ice skating party" or better yet, nothing.
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I'd vote for nothing. There is no reason to put her life, and the lives of her kids on display. Let them have some privacy. Oh, wait...Kate knows nothing about that.
And yes, I know that Kate lies. I believe that someone said awhile back that one day soon it's going to be the case of the boy that cried wolf. She'll tell the truth, but nobody will believe her.
If she'd keep quiet about what the kids do, she wouldn't be under attack by the haterz for lying. They can't call her out on something that she doesn't report. She hasn't learned that yet; or else she doesn't care.
Gayle @ 173...I never said she was a completely changed woman. Please read my post - 169. I said that she's MAKING SOME PROGRESS but I doubt she will ever be "normal." I didn't paint her as being anything - just agreed with Anon This Time when she said that Kate is slowly integrating the kids into society. She actually showed up for some school events, and that's MAKING SOME PROGRESS!
Admin,
My apologies! I did not mean to make a ton more work for you, really....... and my post was not a criticism of your management in any way.
I'm sorry if it came across like that!
Admin, I totally sympathize with you for having to deal with the messes here lately. I know people hate being on moderation here, but it might be necessary for a while since the shit stirring sheeple seem particularly bored with no place to roam.
I just have to say that as a long time, regular reader and poster here, it has become quite a pain in the ass to come here once or twice a day only to have to plod through posts that are now 90% crap caused by sheeple. With people leaving, or posting less, they must be giddy with delight, as that is their objective.
Btw, the name "If only everyone WERE as perfect as you", together with the comments this troll made is CLASSIC sheeple speak. Apparently, their major criticism of us on the blogs and Twitter, is that we all think and act like we are the perfect mothers, with perfect children, and perfect lives. You know that "jealous" crap they talk about all the time? They hurl that accusation at us, as if we only criticize Khate because we're "jealous!!" of her. But, maybe they need to look up the term psychological projection.
NLAN, glad you still here, and hope you stay. You are another poster whose comments I enjoy.
It's only natural that there will be some bumps here after the demise of the fan blog. It will get worked out.
Admin, you do a great job. Thanks for sticking with it, and working these issues out so sensibly.
I was thinking........we were in NYC last week and I saw Brad Garrett, Perry Farrell (Jane's Addction, and I've seen/talked to him in Maui before, super nice guy), and the very beautiful Candace Bergen. Guess what? None of these bonafide STARS had body guards!
I went over to Twitter and they are saying that someone here from Berks said that the skating party is a complete lie. Could someone direct me to that post number, please? I can't find it.
Dallas! Love your posts. Ignore, ignore, ignore those dang sheeple trolls. They aren't worth the time or energy to respond or refute.
Auntie Ann -- glad to see you back! I missed your humor! In the midst of sheeple muck, we need to smile more!
I really miss the humor that we used to have here....that's what drew me to the blog. LOVED admin's (and others) wonderful sense of snark...used to be I was hesitant to read here at work cuz I'd often laugh out loud!
Thanks to the Lancaster moms who discretely "set the record straight" (hate to use a Kate-ism) about events around their area.
I stay focused only on issues that involve the kids and their welfare. I'm glad to hear that Kate is slowly integrating herself into the community and school events. That's awesome, and apparently it's a big step for her. I hope this continues, because it's so much healthier for her kids.
I also noticed in the photo posted of the kids sitting around their table, looking at the fish that...drumroll...the highchairs appear to be gone. Hooray! How appropriate for children who are getting close to being eight years old.
"@BHappyLoveLaugh so so true..Happy is an attitude anyone can choose..and I choose it!;)"
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!
Since when?
Too bad she didn't show how she chooses happiness on her dumb show. All I ever saw was how she chose to be a miserable *itch.
Kate does need to back off for the sake of the kids. Don't tweet everything they do; don't tweet about private parties; don't respond to questions about what the kids are doing over vacation; don't wink at tweeters who want to know what you are up to next; and most certainly, DON'T take photos to back up your statements.
I suppose, though, that's all that's keeping her alive, and the "haters" who beg for these things because without photos there is no proof, are exactly what is keeping her relevant. They may not know it, but without them, she's be toast. There are not enough sheeple there to sustain her. She reads those tweets -- controversy and knock-down drag out fights keep her alive. The arguments between haters and sheeple is the only thing she has left.
I wonder if she is aware, though, of the blog battles, as well as the extent of the hatred that goes down on her Twitter page... to the point of harassing and bullying, sheeple who tweet there calling husbands and employers of non-fans, making it a 24/7 obsession. This is what her Twitter page has become - a battleground for those obsessed with launching all-out attacks. Nothing good can come from this. She needs to sit up and take notice of what is happening, and close down that page for good.
NLAN, great post @ 183.Hopefully the sheeple will find a blog that wants to listen to their childish bleatings.Glad you're here to deflect the smack being hurled around here. Admin.,thanks for doing a great job with keeping this blog up and running peacefully for us all.
see-saw,
Thanks for sharing your story about your daughter in Italy. I'm glad she found a loving husband,but it must be hard on you having her so far away. Hope you see her often and she is able to come home sometimes for family visits.
I really enjoy hearing everyone's stories here too, but I must admit, some of the snark and fun has been missing the last few months.It only takes one or two to stir up the pot and make you leary about posting personal stories here.
It's getting better, but we just have to ignore the sheeple trolls and carry on.They'll get tired of us ignoring them soon.Patience is a virtue!
Just in case I'm three sheets to the wind tomorrow-
I wish you all a happy, healthy, peaceful, and prosperous New Year :o)
Thank you to the Administrator for allowing me to be a part (albeit a small part) of this brilliant group.
Thank God for people who are unafraid to speak up when something is just not right.
I lift my glass up to all of you.
Peace.
Love,
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Ha, you guys, I have NO IDEA what was said to me by some hateful little troll, as I'm just now getting back online. Busy day.
Anyway, I totally missed it and it's gone now, but sound like that's for the better.
Thanks to everyone, I really hesitated sharing that, because I don't normally do that, or try not to, but I thought its the kind of thing Kate can't even relate to. Everything is about her. I don't think she can even understand putting a kid before herself.
Does she even know what all her kids are really interested in? I know one of the older girls plays violin, I think? One of the older girls likes to ice skate.
What about Joel? What is he into? What about Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, soccer?
So yesterday was ice skating and today was a bounce house? What's tomorrow, New Year's Eve in Times Square and then fireworks and cake?
She only knows how to be a big production parent.
Dallas Lady--
Just to add my French experience to those that have shared....My daughter went to France for a six week immersion language program, when she was 20 years old (had graduated from college). She loved Bordeaux, and applied to the French consulate for a teaching position for the following fall. Within a few months, she fell in love with a wonderful guy and arranged to stay for another year. For the second year, she taught English at the University of Bordeaux.
The following year, they came back to the USA and got married. He now has his green card and a job, with good benefits, and she has just completed the requirements for her teaching certificate. They have certainly faced some challenges and harsh realities. However, they stuck together for the hard part and are now enjoying the results that their hard work has brought them. They have been living with my husband and I, which was a difficult adjustment--for everyone! The experience has brought my daughter and I much closer, and we have developed a truly deep friendship. Although they are eager to start a family, they want to make sure that they can financially support them. Unlike--well, do I really need to mention names?
Ex-burn nurse, awwww, what a great story!
Daughter has had a passion for languages and other cultures for so long. She wants to major in international relations with a concentration in global finance (I won't mention the school). It's truly her dream and her passion. I realize she might end up living far from home, but we'll visit her.
I bet it's so nice to have your daughter back home!
What about Joel? What is he into? What about Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, soccer?
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I really don't think that Joel is into Girl Scouts! ;)
You don't want to know what was said by the hateful troll. It's over and done. Hopefully, the troll has also departed...for now. Next time, the best thing to do is to ignore, and keep ignoring. It will make admin's life much easier!
emeraldcityjazz
@chancertheboxer @Kateplusmy8 Poor Jennifer Gray -- Now Kate Gosselin is stalking her.
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What did Kate do now? Why is she stalking Jennifer? All I saw is that she tweeted that she loved Jennifer in Dirty Dancing. Is that stalking? Was there more to it than that? Did I miss something?
Admin, Could you make all Anonymous comments require approval for now along with all new posters? It would help keep the sheeple from being able to stir up shit.
As far as Kate going to Las Vegas again. I hope she dose not meet Cody Brown. I am afraid thats too much narcissism in one place. It would probably cause an explosion.
I read all the posts and are going to not get into it. I will say this: perhaps Kate is coming out from under the rock, to mingle with the normal/mediocre/mundanes of the world, I say about time/good for her. Yet, I still don't buy it. Kate will do what she can to put herself, back where she was for the last 6 years, anyway she can, does not matter who she uses, steps on, grifts off, mean to, sells out or throws under the bus, Kate will try to get that back. Her friendly actions to anyone(including her kids friends parents), to me, means she sees opportunity to use these people, for something. Friendship is not an option.
Kate's brother: Kevin and Kate were close and Kevin use to defend Kate, against her parents, often taking her punishment. She would listen to him. They had a falling out, and he is out of her life. THANKYOU TLC! I truely think TLC, put a lot of ideas, into Kates head and promised her a lot of FAME, and she believed them. Cost her a marriage, family and good friends. Kate was it worth it? I do hate when sheeple say, all the trips were educational, and a great opportunity, that most people would not get(granted the trips are, but most people watched the show in the beginning to see how one would handle 8 kids, work and run a household, not hear her bitch/whine/cry and complain and dish her husband)please, at the childrens ages, they will be lucky to remember any of it(trip overload). Course, we have Kate, making them watch them selves, nightly, to remember, what they had. This to me is a form of child abuse. And who knows what Kate adds to the nightly reminder viewing. It's just sick.
How many of you look at pics or video of yourselves nightly? Some of us look at pics once in a while(like when we come across, them while looking for something else, or cleaning)We don't do it nightly(it's enough when we look in the mirror(LOLOLOL), or you see your loved ones all the time).
As for the skating party, as I posted earlier, Kate can't do anything normal. Kate could have done what most everyone else does, just go to the rink at open skating. But Kate has to make a big production, about it. Geez, I'm sure Jon would just take the kids there at open skating and let them skate themselves silly. Not act like, Kate and think your still special and on TV. Kate you need to get over yourself, for the kids sake.
As for CC, someone there must be a fan/sheeple of Kates. That ones reply that Kate brings something to the industry? really what?
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