The new season of 19 Kids and Counting promises to deliver lots of highs: tree planting, baby names, corn maize, music. And some incredible lows--the miscarriage of the Duggar's twentieth child.
Last night's season premiere featured Ma and Pa Duggar worried when the doctor couldn't find their baby's heartbeat. False alarm--she finally found it. But the doomed pregnancy, according to previews, will be chronicled in its entirety, including the moment when they find out the horrible news, followed by the baby's funeral. American's latest most exploited family has lost all sense of decency and boundaries. Wrote entertainment writer and recapper Richard Lawson, "We like to be horrified by 19 Kids and Counting, but not like that." Lawson went on to write:
"The producers presumably had discussions about how to best handle this situation, and it seems they've chosen the most sensationalistic way rather than the most sensitive. The cruelty alone of the show title ending with '...and Counting' is enough to make you cringe. But to then stage a nervous yet ultimately happy doctor's visit at the end of the first episode, as if the season is looking toward new promise, when of course it's not, feels a bit beyond the pale. It feels like they're trying to trick viewers who aren't aware of what happened, hook 'em in with hope and them slam 'em down with a twist at the end."
In other news, Michelle Duggar told Today this morning, "We would be open to more if God saw fit to bless us with more."
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OK. My apologies.
Stop acting like a troll.
Okay, well, my head officially hurts. Wow...yeah, not much I can say to all this "Marie M," issues.
Maybe it help me out if I quit reading from the bottom up because for a bit I thought you all were talking about me.
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There are other Marie's in the world.
I guess since the Kate fans are now afraid to go to the Gosselin fan blogs because they don't trust them with access to their personal information they are coming here.
Then of course there was the fan site (that loved posting pics of Ellen for the posters to rip apart her looks and loved outing other blog owners and commenters in her fight for Kate) that shut down when the owner's picture was posted and she felt the threat of having her personal information revealed. Looks like they all come here now.
Tsk Tsk . . . Name calling
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OK. My apologies.
Stop acting like a troll.
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Wow there you go again? Why do feel like you can act like that?
A little off topic here. There are periodic statements re: Katie Irene returning to nursing.
It will never happen unless she can 1.) Come to terms with the mediocrity of actually working a job and 2) Curing her addiction to her pink IPhone. I don't think she can put it down long enough to take a blood pressure or write a note in a chart. Most hospitals ban medical personnel performing patient care from carrying a cell phone while on duty. She wouldn't last 10 minutes without it in her hand.
Might be fun to watch her try, but the result wouldn't be pretty.
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Good Morning, I have been catching up with reading this morning. What the heck is going on with the insults and arguing? Clearly, we have trolls among us. Please stop feeding them.
I think I may have figured out what Kate is doing while the children are at school, and why she so exhausted. She is busy making a video of herself, dancing and singing "I'm the Greatest Star," so she can send it to ALL of the studios.
I hope that everyone has a wonderful day!
Wow there you go again? Why do feel like you can act like that?
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Let's move on. So much get's lost in translation when you try to express yourself online. It's off topic and I'm not going to respond by traveling any farther down this rabbit hole.
Hopefully we can talk about subject matter and not any poster's choice of words.
Sorry Admin. for my role in getting us off the subject at hand...
I used to love this blog. It's just unpleasant to visit here lately. People bashing each other and having to get in the last word...it's tiresome.
CS said... 7
Good Morning, I have been catching up with reading this morning. What the heck is going on with the insults and arguing? Clearly, we have trolls among us. Please stop feeding them.
I think I may have figured out what Kate is doing while the children are at school, and why she so exhausted. She is busy making a video of herself, dancing and singing "I'm the Greatest Star," so she can send it to ALL of the studios.
I hope that everyone has a wonderful day!
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I think the witch is posting on this blog. What narcissistic could resist?
Buddy,
Do you have ANYTHING intelligent to add to the conversation?
We are willing to discuss child exploitation, the right to parent as you see fit, etc.
Dallas Lady said... 137
Oh! It's the old "when the kids get older, they'll find this blog and be soooooo hurt " argument again.
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Not directed at you Dallas. When the kids find this blog, they will have found all of the blogs-pro & hate. I think that reading here will validate their own feeling that their childhood was exploited and squandered by a narcissistic grifter, and know that that was not their fault. And, to be used as evidence when they sue there mother's ass,
Good Morning, I have been catching up with reading this morning. What the heck is going on with the insults and arguing? Clearly, we have trolls among us. Please stop feeding them.
I think I may have figured out what Kate is doing while the children are at school, and why she so exhausted. She is busy making a video of herself, dancing and singing "I'm the Greatest Star," so she can send it to ALL of the studios.
I hope that everyone has a wonderful day!
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Typical. Anyone who dares question anything on this blog is called a troll so the business as usual regulars can continue their voyeurism and criticism without being questioned as to why they do it.
Buddy said... 197
You choose to believe that you are doing nothing wrong by sitting back and criticizing someone while you are a daily voyeur into that very world that you say you hate. You need to some self evaluation into why you do this.
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Another one that cannot see their own hypocrisy.
Susantoyota said... 10
I think the witch is posting on this blog. What narcissistic could resist?
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lol. You could be right. This thread has the Duggars name in the title. Kate would rather it have hers. She suffers from uterus envy you know.
Buddy said... 197
You choose to believe that you are doing nothing wrong by sitting back and criticizing someone while you are a daily voyeur into that very world that you say you hate. You need to some self evaluation into why you do this.
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Another one that cannot see their own hypocrisy.
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So you DO admit your hypocrisy? It's about time. :).
Buddy said... 13
Typical. Anyone who dares question anything on this blog is called a troll so the business as usual regulars can continue their voyeurism and criticism without being questioned as to why they do it.
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Again, can you not see your own hypocrisy? You come here to read and criticize. Why do you do it?
Susantoyota, I thought the same thing.
Buddy said... 13
Typical. Anyone who dares question anything on this blog is called a troll so the business as usual regulars can continue their voyeurism and criticism without being questioned as to why they do it.
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Actually I own my voyeurism and criticism of Kate and her tweets and blog and her shows exploiting her children.
Buddy,
How am I a hypocrite?
I would be a hypocrite if I exploited my children. I don't.
I don't have a problem with anyone viewing Kate's tweets and discussing them. YOU DO.
I also don't have a problem with anyone discussing my tweets or comments and discussing them. I fail to see how any of this makes me a hypocrite.
Actually I own my voyeurism and criticism of Kate and her tweets and blog and her shows exploiting her children.
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Yuck. That's just icky. Can't imagine spending my days on that.
Buddy,
Maybe your parents weren't narcissists who cared more about themselves than you. Maybe your parents didn't exploit you.
For some children who are mistreated by their own parents it is very validating to know that other people saw it and spoke up against it.
The Duggars - Michelle has said a couple of times that if the children want, they can make different choices for themselves when they are adults. Until then, they will be raised within the family's faith.
I understood that to be an acknowledgement that
these parenting styles may or may not stick.
I hope she's serious about this and does not shun any who decide to walk away from the parents'
way of doing things. Josh and Annie seem to
be on board with it, but will Johanna and
Jackson be too? Only time will tell.
I was raised in a mainline Protestant church
family. I stayed mainline Protestant. None of my siblings did. Our parents were fine with it.
They laid the basic foundation, knowing we had the choice to build on it or go with something else when we were adults.
I hope the Duggar kids are afforded that same
privilege for real.
It's a wonder to me why some folks think they can spew vitriol on blogs with impunity. It really isn't necessary to get your point or opinion across.
I thought we were back to moderation... it's getting too nasty here for me. I'll try back in a month or so.
An adult conversation with intelligent back and forth can be an awesome way to respectfully agree to disagree on many different issues and usually that's what we see here.
Love this blog and I completely understand and appreciate the need for it. Sticking ones head in the sand about important issues is no way to go through life!!
When someone (i.e. Kate) puts themselves out there daily for public consumption they open themselves up whether they like it or not. The only solution would be to “go back” as Jon has done and the problem would be solved except there are still 8 children involved that hopefully have the family support behind them.
Buddy,
Maybe your parents weren't narcissists who cared more about themselves than you. Maybe your parents didn't exploit you.
For some children who are mistreated by their own parents it is very validating to know that other people saw it and spoke up against it.
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Yeah that makes all the difference. What do you consider "mistreatment"? That's a pretty all encompassing word.
Buddy said... 22
Actually I own my voyeurism and criticism of Kate and her tweets and blog and her shows exploiting her children.
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Yuck. That's just icky. Can't imagine spending my days on that.
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Yet you're okay with your voyeurism and criticism here.
You're okay with defending a mother that exploits her children AND you're okay with your voyeurism and criticism at a blog that discusses Kate's twitter and blogs and shows exploiting her children. Okay....
I don't mean this to be a violation of posting rule #4. I am not trash talking any blog. This is just a question, and maybe someone here knows the answer. At one time I enjoyed reading the GWOP blog. It was interesting and the discussions were lively. I noticed that over the past four days, there has been a total of four posts on the entire blog.
Isn't anyone posting there, or are the moderators on vacation, or just deleting posts? It's kind of a shame, because at one time that was the place to go for all things Gosselins - what they were up to, latest happenings, and so forth.
If this post is out of line, please delete it, and I'm sorry. I am just curious and thought maybe someone knew the answer.
Buddy,
I used an all encompassing word because there are various types and degrees of "mistreatment." I think ANY kind of mistreatment against a child counts.
What one adult views as a minor infraction can scar a child for life. What might seem minor to an adult that wasn't mistreated as a child could be major to that child.
Maybe you had perfect parents that never belittled you or made you feel unloved or worthless. Count yourself lucky. Some children aren't so fortunate.
Dmasy said... 157
Talking good TV...I'v got a nomination. I am cleaning house for a multitude of guests this weekend. My laptop is "following" me around from room to room. I am watching DVD's of what I consider to be the best TV ever -- West Wing. Well written, humorous and thought provoking. TLC would never have produced such a quality program!
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When Bush was president, I used to pretend that Jeb Bartlett was president--well spoken thoughtful, smart and very human.
Buddy, we could be interested in your points of view. Just try to present them without attacking.
This has always been a site for healthy debate. We learn from each other's opinions.
There is no need to lace what you have to say with so much anger.
Ex Nurse...32. I am STILL pretending that Jeb Bartlett is president!
Is Cindy Cardella now in the throes of desperation to get people to book the cruise? She tweeted to a group that runs a website for parents of multiples. She probably didn’t get the response from Kate’s fans that she expected, so now she is looking elsewhere.
Kate Gosselin Cruise @CindyCardella
@Multiplesnmore Join KateGosselinCruise.com August 12th on the Allure of the Seas
What is considered exploitation of children in the media?
Auntie said..."lol. You could be right. This thread has the Duggars name in the title. Kate would rather it have hers. She suffers from uterus envy you know."
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I would gladly give her mine right now. I need to go take a Midol.
I read the Twitter page to see who and what has signed up for the cruise; and to see what Milo is up to. She fascinates me in a very creepy psychological kind of way. Has she been MIA?
Good question Buddy.
One definition of exploit: To make use of selfishly or unethically
Display children for your own profit is definitely exploiting them.
Exploiting your family while smiling and praying is still exploiting your family.
Anyone have any Shout stain remover I can borrow for my sweatshirt and some shades for my window?
I think that any attempt to use any kind of logic as a basis for criticism of this blog will be flawed, beause it is based on the faulty premise that the Gosselins just happen to be on TV. All of the blogs, critical or not, exist because they put themselves out for public consumption. I know that Kate didn't 'sign up' for the papparazzi. According to her, It was just supposed to be this 'little reality show' at which she could feed like a pig at a trough. Well, this is cause and effect Marie M and anyone else that questions our motivations and challenges our integrity. I would not be writing this if she had kept her family's privacy instead if exploiting every poop, vomit and even divorce. Ditto for the Duggars and anyone else greedy enough to agree to the invasion of privacy of their own family. Protecting children is the number 1 job of parenting. One that point, both families get a big "FAIL".
By the way, I do not use Facebook or any other social networking except texting to real life friends. Anyone who does is giving up their privacy and consequences for posting personal photos and facts can have huge impacts--like losing jobs, family and friends. I have had high school friends try to track me down through my children. That is just creepy.
Ex Nurse said... When Bush was president, I used to pretend that Jeb Bartlett was president--well spoken thoughtful, smart and very human.
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I have a friend who had a bumper sticker on her car that sais "Don't blame me, I voted for Bartlett"
I love West Wing, awesome and Bradley Whitford is so sexy in it. Dimples, yum. :)
Buddy,
Can you deny that Kate is "making money" from her children's private moments (letters she wrote to them, potty, time-outs, birthday party, bedtime in the privacy of their own bedrooms, etc)?
Promoting them on her blog. Discussing them at talk shows to promote herself and her show?
She is "using" two of them to get people to go on her cruise. Do you deny that?
All of the above is for monetary gain or fame. It's exploitation.
Anonymous 39,
The Duggars lost ANY respect I may have had for them as parents when the mother whipped out her camera to film her son after he had an accident, while he was still laying there.
I actually didn't have any respect for them anyway, so I guess I should have said they lost any chance of gaining my respect.
Kate treated Jon poorly for people to see her husband at one time the father of her children.
And half the reason why she famous besides the 8 no wonder why she won't give up the name.
I don't want to think what she does to her own children.
I myself find the Duggar's sharing how they made it through such a personal and emotional time, a selfless sacrifice to show others that it's not the end of the world or it's normal to have certain feelings after having a miscarriage.
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There are those who have certain feelings about not being able to complete the sex act. It is a personal and emotional time for them, too. Should cameras go into the bedroom to show others suffering from the same emotional stress, when Viagra fails, that it's not the end of the world, that the act itself isn't important, but that closeness and emotional bonding in such a stressful time can be just as fulfilling?
Some things are meant to be private. They just are. If, after a miscarriage the couple needs to seek comfort and emotional support, there are others trained to help them - therapists, clergy, professionals. They don't need to see how the Duggars handled it.
The Duggars "selfless sacrifice" wasn't a sacrifice at all. It was about the Benjamins. In the world of reality television, ratings come first, not sacrifices.
Jen said... 41
Exploiting your family while smiling and praying is still exploiting your family.
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Yep, and one visit to their website confirms it.
"The Duggar Family Store"
Kate has made a new post on her blog. The title is "Love is...", with little snippets about the things she loves in her life, which mostly is about the kids. This was the last thing listed:
"….being a mom. Period. It’s all I ever wanted…..and I am content."
I have no words...
The Duggars lost ANY respect I may have had for them as parents when the mother whipped out her camera to film her son after he had an accident, while he was still laying there.
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Yes, but SG, don't you know that she did it to show other parents how to get through the stressful time immediately after their children have been injured?
My only concerns about the cruise is that she is advertising that her children will be there too. Who does that attract? I'm a mom and I have taken my kids on several family cruises. I can't imagine selecting a cruise based on a CHILD 'celebrity' being there. Maybe an adult (for Steven Tyler my husband and I would probably max a credit card- just being honest..)
What type of ADULT would be motivated by learning that a child was a part of an overpriced cruise?
Exploitation is exploitation. The moms who sign their daughters up for Toddlers and Tiaras with dollar signs in their eyes are exploiting their children for their own gain (mostly financial).
Sharing pictures of your kids with family and friends, even electronically, is not by any definition of the word exploitation.
My good friend has twins and a private Facebook page for close friends and family only. She shares pictures of the twins with people who love them, especially those who live far away. She is gaining nothing by doing this. That is not in any way exploitation.
Kate Gosselin would have never been on TV, would have never been a public figure, and would never have made the money she made were it not for her eight children. They were used as an entertainment commodity. Their continued presence on TV DEPENDED on ratings, on people who were total strangers watching their every move, including very personal and private things strangers should not be privy to.
Their identity became a shared commodity around the world. Total strangers know who they are, can rattle off stories about them as toddlers and young kids, can tell you their nicknames, their little foibles, their medical issues even. Their identity does not belong only to them, to be shared as THEY see fit, it was sold off when they were toddlers. That's why it's such a Faustian bargain to put your kids on TV: even after they are OFF TV, you can't unring a bell. The DVDs are out there, the show is in syndication in several countries, it will ALWAYS exist digitally.
That's also why many of us (not just at this blog, but even the most casual viewer) were left breathless by Kate's glib and casual approach to what was filmed. She would let anything be filmed! Whatever! Cue jaws hanging open.
As a result of this exploitation, the Gosselins became famous and wealthy. Kate would have loved that to continue, even until the kids were 18, she has gone on record as saying so. She would have continued the exploitation of her children for her own gain, because that's what mattered to her.
She is still exploiting them, by using the twins to entice people to sign up for a cruise so they can see the twins, maybe speak to them, watch her "play" with them. Like a dog and pony show. For Kate's own gain. THAT is still exploitation.
Anyone who doesn't understand this either doesn't have the cognitive capacity to understand it or is REFUSING to understand it.
And just for the record: commenting on and discussing the exploitation of children does not EQUAL exploiting them.
The definition involves gain. How am I personally gaining something by explaining exploitation to others on this blog? I'm not making money doing it. I'm not becoming famous doing it.
Kate and her fans have long had a problem with the fact that ANY criticism of her exists. They've tried to assert in many different ways that she's immune from it and the newest iteration of that is this argument that by simply discussing and pointing out her continued exploitation of the kids, we are also an active part of it.
Which, of course, is illogical bullshit intended to muddy the waters and take the focus off Kate and her child-exploiting ways.
Bah Bah Black Sheep said... 51
Yes, but SG, don't you know that she did it to show other parents how to get through the stressful time immediately after their children have been injured?
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That is one of the funniest things I have read today!! THANK YOU!!
I think it was appalling that the family was scurrying around to film a child with a suspected broken jaw...but I did wonder if Michelle was filming him or using her cell phone camera to light his face. Just wondered.
SG said... 45
Buddy,
Can you deny that Kate is "making money" from her children's private moments (letters she wrote to them, potty, time-outs, birthday party, bedtime in the privacy of their own bedrooms, etc)?
Promoting them on her blog. Discussing them at talk shows to promote herself and her show?
She is "using" two of them to get people to go on her cruise. Do you deny that?
All of the above is for monetary gain or fame. It's exploitation.
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Can you do deny that you are posting on a monetized blog that makes money (probably not much, but it's the principle of the matter) off discussions of the Gosselin children?
It gives me the creeps to think that there could be people out there who would say Oh the kids will be on the cruise? Let's go then!
It's just SO creepy.
Can you do deny that you are posting on a monetized blog that makes money (probably not much, but it's the principle of the matter) off discussions of the Gosselin children?
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Now that rich. How are you responding on here? Invisible ink?
AuntieAnn said... 57
Now that rich. How are you responding on here? Invisible ink?
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OMG- Ice water choke...THANKS FOR THAT!!
Dallas Lady 53
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Kudos for that comment. Couldn't agree more!
The newest pile of crap from her website:
Love is...
February 16, 2012
….tucking my eight perfectly healthy children into bed at night, knowing they are safe under my roof!
….taking a moment or two to enjoy a cup of freshly brewed coffee after I safely deliver my kids to the bus each morning!
….realizing that no matter what, I know that I can trust myself to make decisions that are right and good and in the best interest of my family.
…seeing the look on my kids faces when they came to their places at the table on Valentine’s Day morning…each place was covered with tokens of my love for them!
….teaching my kids right from wrong, and all of life’s important lessons…sometimes it’s tough… But then again, sometimes love IS tough!
….seeing excitement on my kids faces when they do well on a test that together we studied really hard for!
…hearing Mady sing a song to me that she has been working on, on the way home from school bus pick up… Music to my ears, literally!
….watching Cara gently help the little kids with their math homework! She is so articulate and thorough; it amazes me!
….hearing Hannah or Leah ask “mommy, do you need help with anything?” wow!
….watching Alexis, without fail, greet Shoka with a big hug and kiss, after a long school day!
….having three boys who, by nature, know how to help their mom around the house. They NEVER complain about feeding the chickens or taking the trash out…and help SO much!
….feeling free and happy while running outside, knowing that I made the time to do something for myself that I love so much! It feels so refreshing and rewarding… And serves to fill my “love cup” back up to the brim!
….creating and cooking wonderful hearty meals for my kids and then watching them enjoy it over (always!) entertaining dinner conversation!
….being a mom. Period. It’s all I ever wanted…..and I am content…
…….now that is L❤VE!
XO
K8
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God, that's boring as hell. My eight PERFECTLY HEALTHY children, my AWESOME decisions, my COFFEE, my COOKING, the kids are always asking me if they can help me! They're always working for ME, MEMEMEMEME.
I like how she mentioned all five girls by name, but the boys are just her three boys who slop the chickens and take out the trash.
I feel sorry for all the Gosselin kids, but I've always felt the most sorry for the boys.
She really doesn't have zippedy squat going on in her life right now.
OK. not sure what the whole Marie thing was about, and I'm staying out of it.
I am not going to watch the Duggars funeral thing, it's just sick.
Now the Whitney Houston funeral, was to be private, invite only. Well, I heard yesterday they are putting the funeral on the internet. A tribute is good, putting the funeral on the net is exploiting, someone is making a buck off it. That is is just sick & greed.
Exploitation Everywhere said... 59
I'm not the one on her high horse about the exploitation of the Gosselin children. She likes to point out hypocrisy and I'm pointing out hers. What's good for the goose...
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Horse? Goose? Do you live on a farm?
Can you do deny that you are posting on a monetized blog that makes money (probably not much, but it's the principle of the matter) off discussions of the Gosselin children?
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Aren't the fan blogs doing the same thing?
Sony increased the price of Whitney's records by 30% within 10 MINUTES of her death being announced. The next day, her manager announced the sale of a tribute candle with 'a portion of the proceeds' going to a charity. It's disgusting the way they moved to quickly squeeze every last dime from the life of a women that none of them cared enough to save.
"She is still exploiting them, by using the twins to entice people to sign up for a cruise so they can see the twins, maybe speak to them, watch her "play" with them. Like a dog and pony show. For Kate's own gain. THAT is still exploitation."
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I just checked Alice Travel. I can't find the watching Kate and her children play on the beach event listed. Did they remove it? I thought this was particularly creepy, like a carnival act - come inside and watch the performing gorilla.
I did notice on the itinerary, that August 13 and 18 are the only dates for exclusive events with Kate. TWO DAYS? The one day at sea (August 16) says "at sea with Kate" but nothing about exclusive events. The other days are reserved for island excursions. Is this a way for them to cover their butts -- that only those two days will be set aside for activities with Kate?
I'm glad that Kate's kids are off tv. The Duggars need to be the next to go.
Exploitation Everywhere said... 55
SG said... 45
Buddy,
Can you deny that Kate is "making money" from her children's private moments (letters she wrote to them, potty, time-outs, birthday party, bedtime in the privacy of their own bedrooms, etc)?
Promoting them on her blog. Discussing them at talk shows to promote herself and her show?
She is "using" two of them to get people to go on her cruise. Do you deny that?
All of the above is for monetary gain or fame. It's exploitation.
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Can you do deny that you are posting on a monetized blog that makes money (probably not much, but it's the principle of the matter) off discussions of the Gosselin children?
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Okay, I guess Buddy and you didn't have an answer to MY question (I'm not surprised), yet you expect me to answer yours...
I don't know how much, if any, Admin is making, but I see it like any other website and newspaper that has ads while they report news or give people a forum to discuss the topic.
I don't see pictures of the children on the sidebar. I don't see this site as exploiting the children, period.
News agencies/sites aren't exploiting the people on which they report. Neither is Admin, in my opinion.
I think there is a HUGE difference when it's the mother exploiting her own children for money and fame.
While I won't watch TLC because I don't agree with their shows I don't hold them "responsible" for exploiting those children. I hold their mother/parents responsible. They are the ones that should be protecting their children, not selling them to the public.
That's how I see it. Now, do you care to answer my questions?
Kate is a twit said... 63
Can you do deny that you are posting on a monetized blog that makes money (probably not much, but it's the principle of the matter) off discussions of the Gosselin children?
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Aren't the fan blogs doing the same thing?
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Yes, they are, but you forget, the Kate fans aren't against the Gosselin children being exploited. They love it.
An Irish friend of mine has a wonderful expression when a
topic has been exhausted, it's "this fire has burned to the
water's edge", and the debate with this troll should end now.
I rarely watched the Gosselin's show, but became
fascinated with Kate's transformation from frumpy
mom to diva extraordinaire on Dancing With The
Stars. Let's face it, Kate is a study for most who
post here. I know I would love to know how her
twisted mind works, how she justifies her desire
to remain famous, spinning it as her only
source of income. However, as distasteful
as I find her, I would be the first to applaud
her if she went back to a regular job, but
I'm not holding my breath. For the sake of
her children, I would also not want her to spiral
down over the loss of her fame to the point where
she is unable to function as a parent.
This is Kate's life to live, the choices she makes
are hers' alone. By accepting the gig of a reality
television show, she has invited commentary,
it's really just that simple. I have no ill-will
toward her, but will continue to be interested
how she handles what should be a transition
from a public life to a private one. Do date, it
has the smell of an ever increasing level
of desperation.
I just want to clarify that I do hold TLC partially responsible for exploiting those children, however, I mainly hold Kate responsible. She is their mother.
Mothers should take a stand against companies that want to exploit their children, not embrace them.
"….being a mom. Period. It’s all I ever wanted…..and I am content."
So......I guess Kate can toss out her "bucket list".
Any blog or website or TV show that is making money off of these children is exploiting the children. Pretty simple.
I would gladly give her mine right now.
Moose @ 37 - Please don't...she'd use it like an ATM all over again.
Hope you're feeling better.
I would dare say that most of you posting here about how you are outraged at Kate exploiting her children on television are also ones who boosted the ratings by watching.
Miss Michelle is addicted to being pg and holding babies. When each child gets bigger, time to start plowing the field again and pass that one off to the poor older girls so she keep up her habit.
Maybe she and "Big Jim and the twins" should look after their own children. They would just be too tired. And it has nothing to do with religion. They TRY to stay pg. Bet she knows to the hour when she ovulates. Know this sounds witchy, but I'm tired because I'm raising my own children and not passing them off. One more thing. The children have never said a negative word about anything. They can't even have an opinion without it being edited in their heads so that it all comes out sunshine and lollipops. The real world is going to be very hard to navigate.
Miss Michelle is also addicted to being on tv.
one more thing. If this hasn't been mentioned, that Katy Keurig thing? One of the air head wives on Bravo's Housewives of the OC actually compared herself to "Katy Keurig". Now Khate thinks that is all about her. Wonder how much coffee Keurig has sent her? grrrrrr
Anonymous #39
"I myself find the Duggar's sharing how they made it through such a personal and emotional time, a selfless sacrifice to show others that it's not the end of the world or it's normal to have certain feelings after having a miscarriage."
I think this is/was Kate's attitude as well. What you see is real and we're willing to share with the world.
It's one thing to "sacrifice" yourself. It's quite another to feel you have the right to sacrifice your children.
IMO, this thinking is based on the premise that children do not deserve nor have any rights to childhood privacy.
Those who disagree with that premise will probably always find fault with the parent(s) of any child whose privacy is being so blatantly violated.
Marie M, even though I'm sure you're a Kate fan just here to stir up crap, I can tell you how much I boosted her ratings:
NONE.
So there you go. Now maybe you can answer a question of mine: are there no more pro-Kate blogs left? Is that why y'all are all over here lately? Because I don't go to pro-Kate blogs, I don't even know how many there are. I've never seen one and don't care to.
And no matter how many times you say it, discussing and criticizing child exploitation is NOT engaging in it. That is simply not the definition of it and you are being intentionally obtuse by refusing to acknowledge that fact.
Good day. I SAID GOOD DAY. (Ha, cracked myself up.)
Also, admin? I agree with someone above who said maybe we need to go back on moderated. Getting too clogged up with strawman BS in here.
Why do the Duggar's need TLC's money to raise their children?
I would dare say that most of you posting here about how you are outraged at Kate exploiting her children on television are also ones who boosted the ratings by watching.
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I would dare say that you are dead wrong. I stopped watching years ago, even before the "mommy and daddy" will be together forever lie. I think it was around the time of gumgate when I realized that something wasn't right with her, that she had zero parenting skills, and I couldn't stand to watch. The look on that little boy's face was enough for me to shut off that channel forever.
Many here didn't watch, and so admin took one for the team and that was the reason for the recaps...so we wouldn't have to watch and therefore we wouldn't be contributing to the ratings.
WTH has gotten into people today or has this blog been overrun by snotty teenagers (I have 2 of those so I can see the signs lol)????
As I stated before civilized conversation whether one agrees or disagrees is one thing but saying the same thing over and over and attacking is just plain imature,stupid and petty!!
If you don't like the content and intention here move along to a new home.....
To those that live in Sheepadelphia: As best (bestest) as I can discern this is your point - taken from post 111 on page 1 -
"Yes, she is disgusting, but so is going to her twitter feed daily to view the things that you call disgusting. What's the difference? Just how are you helping the Gosselin kids? Honestly, I don't think any of you really want to help the Gosselin kids. I think that your hatred of Kate Gosselin is what motivates you. I think that's wrong. It's just wrong."
I'll ignore the part about Katie Irene being disgusting since it's just a rouse to gain acceptance. Sheeple gospel states that posters here pay lip service to "helping the kids" and severely hate Katie. Hatred of Katie troubles sheeple as it is "wrong, just wrong".
As to helping the kids...The work done by those who voiced their feelings about this situation had everything to do with declining ratings and stopping filming. The show was hanging in there with around a million viewers which was probably good enough for at least another season or two of episodes. TLC, with Katie's assistance, decided to stop filming even though the raw numbers were good enough for a network full of exploitation shows. IIRC, even the pundits who track the numbers were surprised the show was cancelled.
I don't know of anything else the posters of this blog could do to help the kids other than complain about the show and point out blatant exploitation. I am of the opinion that the end of filming was too late and some of these kids are set up for severe issues down the road but I think I am in the minority. Regardless, a ruckus was made by these fine folks and filming did eventually stop.
As for the main issue...Part (1) Twitter. Most of the posters here do not post on Katies twitter. Some do but most don't. Most of the posters here don't read Katies twitter, with the exception of what is posted at the top of the page. When Katie is posting (twittering away), most of what is twitted is not available for viewing here as a new twit is added and the previous twit rolls on to posterity. I don't have any issues with those who choose to read and post to Katies public twitter. That's Katie's point isn't it? Did not Katie make available a public twitter page? If you have an issue with it you should take it up with Katie. Instead you choose to come on here with your panties in a bunch and complain. To quote your queen "I just don't get it".
Part(2) - Hatred of Katie. Hate is about as strong of a word that exists. I don't think we hate Katie. In addition to being a very unlikable person, a terrible cook, and a poor author, Katie has demonstrated lack of common sense, mommy issues, daddy issues, questionable people skills, issues relating to narcissism, lack of ability to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and many other faults. I feel that great restraint has been shown on a daily basis to pull back from the line in the sand that is hate. Don't you?
I totally blame TLC for using the Gosselin 8 as a zoo exhibit. I v=blame them for not personally making sure the Gosslin 8 were well paid. I blame them for letting them be under contract under the age of consent. I blame them for showing hannah naked while beth was babysitting. I blame them for filming the kids when their parents were gone. I blame them for showing them in tears, on the toilet or while sick.
I also blame Jon and kate for allowing this to happen. I do however respect Jon for wanting out when it no longer became a "cute little documentary or their lives." When Jon realized how much control TLC had over his family I believe it really opened his eyes and sickened him. I also think when it dawned on him what has been put out for public comsumption he felt sick. We see this as true in the way Jon lives his life now. Under the radar and not selling his kids for profit anymore.
kate, however, has not realized her errors which will enable her to make these same mistakes AGAIN if given platform to do so.
I for one cannot belive that kate doesn;t see the kids as derseving of their money. I hate how she claims she worked while they played, and I sincerely hope kate is never given another opportunity to make money of the backs of her kids in any way shape or form.
I personally feel the Gosselin 8 have grounds for a lawsuit when they come of age for being displayed as COMMODITIES on a television show of which they had NO EDITING CONTROL. For the rest of their lives this show will haunt them. And for what? A few vacations? It's not like they are set for life. They will enter the workforce on day and the people hiring will well remember the show. I hope the Gosselin's sue TLC and kate. They deserve a settlement for what has been done to them. They were reality tv stars with no consent. They were viewed in their worst moments with no consent. They deserve to heal by holding the people accountable who took advantage of them.
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By the way...if TLC witnessed any abuse, harsh punishment, or forced filming and stood by while hiding the footage than they are accessories. PERIOD.
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Bah Bah Black Sheep said... 51
The Duggars lost ANY respect I may have had for them as parents when the mother whipped out her camera to film her son after he had an accident, while he was still laying there.
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And do you know what is the greatest thing?
1- They will never know you feel this way because they are mature enough to not go looking for the negetive things people say.
2- They are mature enough to allow you your opinion without bashing you for it.
Face it, you will never outshine the Duggars life and you don't hold the power to put their light out. That is what probably makes you so angery.
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ROFL! As you bash me for stating my opinion. Guess by your definition you are not mature.
So now I'm jealous of the Duggars? No thanks. I don't want 20 children. And I could very easily make my daughters wear long dresses to ride their bikes. I choose not to.
And no matter how many times you say it, discussing and criticizing child exploitation is NOT engaging in it. That is simply not the definition of it and you are being intentionally obtuse by refusing to acknowledge that fact.
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Dallas -- it's sheeple intelligence, or lack of it. They can't understand because simply, there are no cognitive skills. When "logic" was passed out, they were absent from the assembly.
As much as I don't like moderation, I would seem it's the only way to make the sheeple find another playground.
Admin, will you please enforce Rule 1? Lively debate can be the spice of life but I'd like to see everyone pick a name and, hopefully, stick to it. To use Anonymous or to pick a throw away name is disingenuous.
Marie M. said... 74
I would dare say that most of you posting here about how you are outraged at Kate exploiting her children on television are also ones who boosted the ratings by watching.
February 16, 2012 12:02 PM
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Well there you have it! Apparently there was not enough love or hate to keep Kate on the air.
So Marie M, you admit Kate exploits her children. Finally.
Wow. I guess the fan blogs are too boring for some these days. That being said, I do see their points; HOWEVER, they don't go far when posted by cowards too afraid to keep one name for all their posts.
I give Kate her due, I think she has tried to go on her own without using the kids as a draw, but as no one wants her without them and as she has no other talent to draw on I guess she needs them to stay in the spotlight. So, yes, I do think the exploitation continues. She doesn't have much choice if she wants to stay on TV. That doesn't mean I think she has no choice, though! She could do a zillion things off camera, but then she wouldn't get the attention she craves.
I define "exploitation" as putting the kids out there for money. Whether it is a direct exchange or one posted for future benefit, it's the same.
I do wonder how many more years the Duggars will be on tv?
So now I'm jealous of the Duggars? No thanks. I don't want 20 children. And I could very easily make my daughters wear long dresses to ride their bikes. I choose not to.
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Don't you know that it's not jealous? It's jellus! I could probably deal with 20 kids if I had older children acting as nannies. What would be my worst nightmare would be having Jim Bob as my husband.
I don't know about anyone else, but it certainly doesn't make me "angery" that their light isn't out! I've only seen a handful of their shows to know that they hold no interest for me whatsoever. I couldn't care less if their light shines brightly, or if they are cast into darkness. Que sera sera.
I for one had never even heard of this family until I saw all the magazine covers at the time of the split and subsequent divorce and wondered 'who are these people?' I then read up on their 'history' and how they marketed their children as part of their TV show. I have followed the sad story since then. I do admire Jon for refusing to be part of his children's further exploitation and, for the same reason, deplore K8 for the way she continues to promote herself through her claim to fame as the mother of eight (count 'em 8).
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ugh...think a bunch of trolls must be pms-ing. oops I just emesis-ed in my mouth. Now off for my mammogram. [}]. Just made that up ;)
I think the Duggars are on their way out. As disgusting as this is, I think the miscarriage and the big televised funeral service and all is their last hurrah as far as the show goes. It's their "RV trip."
TLC has the Bates now and a new contract with them, and they have 20, count 'em, 20 kids, so TLC is moving on, most likely.
And to be perfectly frank, I'm not even sure how long the Bates thing will last, just because the viewing public has a certain saturation level and TLC is quickly hitting it with regard to extra-mongo-enourmous-huge families. How often can people watch tons of children running around as entertainment?
I used to watch Hoarders, but have stopped for the very same reason. It was interesting at first: A&E always dove into the back story of how things got that way, what happened to the person to cause this, etc, and then they would bring in the therapist, the cleaners, etc and work with the hoarder and provide aftercare, so it was truly interesting.
But it's the same thing over and over. So I'm done watching it.
Aeduko said... 91 I have to agree with your comments. Kate doesn't have much choice other than to exploit her kids in order to validate herself. Problem is...the public at large is fickle. There are so many new things and people that come around the corner to draw our attention. When it comes to Kate and her 8 it's a 'been there, done that' situation. There is nothing new to offer.
All Kate has left is to praise herself on her blog and promote how good she feels for all she does. Pretty pathetic IMHO.
And the whole thing about how she's thankful for the boys as the "by nature" do what they need to do to "HELP" mom. Good freakin' Lord what is wrong with this woman? (that was a rhetorical question by the way).
Admin, This blog is slowly going the way of another blog that felt "entitled". I don't know about anyone else, but just listening to Buddy and Marie M's amazing arguments and pro points for Kate, well, I think I love Kate now and see that she's wonderful and great. I think I might want to go on a cruise with her! She's amazing!
Kidding. Perhaps certain posters should look up the definition of "exploitation". And maybe even have valid points for a DISCUSSION instead of coming here simply to bash other's thoughts and opinions. It must be lonely on the fan sites.
About the twitter page...I read it occasionally to see if BigFan is in her Jeckyll or Hyde mode. I find it interesting that one person has to tweet the same thing six to eight consecutive times, only rearranging a few words. I wonder if she's like that in "real life." Must be annoying as all get out to have a conversation with her!
She's been busy today, with her Starbucks for a tweet sediment, and she is still dwelling on the Halloween thing.
Marie I haven't a clue what you're talking about. I could care less about compromising your security.
Marie M. said... 99
And yet here you are still giving her hits on her twitter and blog. Apparently trying to keep her going so that you can continue your daily activities.
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And here YOU are giving hits to this blog. My grandma told me that when you point a finger you always have 3 pointed back at you.
I can't stand twitter people fight way to much. Twitter needs to shut down or control the crap on twitter.
Time to moderate! It's a shame that a few can ruin it for everyone. I thought admin said that Marie was done. I guess she missed that post, couldn't understand the word "done," or just chose to ignore it!
Tucker's Mom, PN, Admin, SG & Swings - all excellent points. TLC knows how to exploit people who are willing to exploit their kids/family/themselves and those who are disturbed in some way.
I used to look forward to some of what TLC and Discovery Health had to offer. There were medical conditions explained or medical procedures shown.
As far as "reality" and Kate/Duggars. Like Michelle Duggar, a mother of 19, would ever would have shuffled off to NY with the whole fam and gone to Kleinfeld's to pick out a wedding dress for vow renewals. And surely, Sarah Palin would have called some woman in PA with a bunch of kids and invited her over to camp. Just living their lives... :eye roll:
Another gift for the griter:
gracefulrose11
As a fellow overworked underpaid mommy I would love to send you our handmade artisan soap sampler http://t.co/0lz70n9f(preview) pobox?
Overworked? HA! Underpaid? How can you be underpaid if you don't have a job?
Marie M. said... 102
Apparently the blog owner has decided to run a program that compromises security. luckily I have a program on my computer that blocks this and it also lets me know what this website is trying to do. Good try admin.
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Yeah, yeah...Your program is bigger than admins program. Anything else? My dad can fight your dad? My house is better than your house. You are on the same level as Kate and her 12 year old mentality. Play nice.
….creating and cooking wonderful hearty meals for my kids and then watching them enjoy it over (always!) entertaining dinner conversation!
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And how does she know the 8 enjoy every single meal she makes.?
Not ever kid enjoy what their parents make to eat.
I'm sure they all have their own likes/dislikes. Just cause their twins and sextuplets doesn't mean they like the same things.
Marie 109...
ADMIN! Posting rule #3. Isn't it time to stop this nonsense?
And how does she know the 8 enjoy every single meal she makes.?
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chefs - she tells them they do.
"All Kate has left is to praise herself on her blog and promote how good she feels for all she does. Pretty pathetic IMHO."
Berks Neighbor, bingo. She was always sort of an empty shell, but now it's super obvious even to herself.
Marie M, I'm not sure anyone here even knows what you're talking about in regard to these other people? Or other blogs? I know I don't have the slightest clue what you are on about.
You do sound a little paranoid, though.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 105
Marie I haven't a clue what you're talking about. I could care less about compromising your security.
February 16, 2012 12:50 PM
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I believe Marie M may be getting a Windows Defender message about disabling scripts on this page. If that is what she is posting about it's due to the Twitter feed snippet at the top of the page. It's a false positive and not a security breach.
Typical. Anyone who dares question anything on this blog is called a troll so the business as usual regulars can continue their voyeurism and criticism without being questioned as to why they do it.
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Just a quick note, I'm reading today. I haven't changed my name. I'm still nj. Don't want anyone wondering if it's me. Thanks.
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Are there two Maries on here? Regular poster Marie, and Marie M?
There appears to be a sh$$ stirrer from one of the blogs that was closed down. I guess it was bound to happen.
Awwww, I see someone still doesn't understand the definition of exploitation.
"To make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage."
Commenting on a wrong and committing the wrong are two entirely different things, my little Kate-loving friends.
Once you understand that, you'll be cured of your lack of logic. Good luck!
Just a quick note, I'm reading today. I haven't changed my name. I'm still nj. Don't want anyone wondering if it's me. Thanks.
nj
February 16, 2012 1:25 PM
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I'm curious, why don't you choose name/url from the drop down "Comment as" box? You don't need a URL to use it.
Unless you knew at the time you were breaking the law (which you didn't) it isn't a crime
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In what universe?
What is EDOS and what is all this weird crap showing up here?
Permanent Name...149
Thanks for the comment and I agree with you, I was generalizing when I used "we", because I don't think I have lost my moral compass either. I guess I sometimes get discouraged when I see all the outrageous programming out there. I should be more mindful when commenting.
I do appreciate your feedback.
I am busy folding my tin foil hat...anyone else want one? What are some of these new posters talking about?
Dallas Lady said... 119
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Today has been a slice of the Twilight Zone! It's amazingly sage, touching and humorous people like you that make this place delightful.
Dmasy said... 120
I am busy folding my tin foil hat...anyone else want one? What are some of these new posters talking about?
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No idea
But we do need foil for the windows don't forget that-).
Hang in there guys. Fairly soon "they" will get bored and we will be back to familiar posters with interesting posts. To all the regulars that I enjoy reading -- don't give up!
I get paid to counsel abused children. I guess the money I make is blood money since I would have no one to talk to if they weren't abused. I make money because they were abused. Is this child exploitation. Or if I work for free is it ok?
Are there two Maries on here? Regular poster Marie, and Marie M?
There appears to be a sh$$ stirrer from one of the blogs that was closed down. I guess it was bound to happen.
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Actually there are three. I didn't post the crap about some other website.
Dallas Lady said... 118
What is EDOS and what is all this weird crap showing up here?
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Dallas, apparently there is a legal hassle going on at the pro-Kate blog or blogs (EDOS is one of them) that was shut down...something about getting a password and log-in info on a public site. Some of the hateful, obsessed Kate fans accessed a non-Kate fans' employment information and tried to get them fired from their jobs by getting attorneys involved, and didn't get anywhere - they were just laughed at.
That's about all I could figure out. It's crazy as to the extreme they will go. Kate should be proud to have them as fans! They are bringing their crap here because there's no place else they can continue the harassment. I hope admin puts an end to it in a hurry.
Remember the old television show, The Outer Limits? I just caught a snippet of it recently. "There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. For the next hour we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits."
I think that this is what we are experiencing here today...a control of this blog by those who are living in some kind of bizarre fantasy world.
There goes the neighourhood. This blog offers intelligent
debate, genuine concern and for the most-part, accurate
accounting of the perils of reality television.
Narrow-minded types who swoop in here, to a blog that
has maintained certain standards (thanks to Admin),
should move back to wherest they came!
Does fame ruin some people's perspective on life, and
dull their rational thinking? That is what I come here for,
to try to gain an understanding of what drives celebrity.
We are drowning in a world of instant stars, driven by
the media. How much of it we want to see is up to
the individual. How much we want to learn about the
dynamics behind the curtain is what fascinates me. I
suspect that drives many who come here.
Aww, Tucker's Mom, thanks! And the same to you!!!
Hey ADMIN! CLEANUP IN AISLE BARF! LOL.
I'm changing my name to MarieM instead of Marie M. I don't know anything about the other blogs and don't want to be associated with them.
I see the Lawyers papers reached your home Lisa k. or Kinley not your real name. Lisa K outing people for 3 years. said... 126
lisakn
I'm going to edit a few comments, nothing is wrong with your comment, just going to remove a name.It's nothing bad or anything. Not anyone from IW or a sheeple's name. For more info, email me..
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What is this?
Typical. Anyone who dares question anything on this blog is called a troll so the business as usual regulars can continue their voyeurism and criticism without being questioned as to why they do it.
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You have chosen the perfect profile picture. Your post sound as young as your profile makes me think you are.
Lisa K denies her daughter Ericka and her bi-racial, grand daughter Lyric how sad.
I feel as if I have stumbled into an alternate Gosselin reality. However, it is interesting....
Good comments from the names I do recognize. Marie, I knew it wasn't the regular you.
dhwh1993, we did see your pic on CJ's twitter. And you said you were 45 LMAO. You have a prune face go hide that fuly ass face honey.
I'm so sorry. It seems that one of our patients has escaped again.
Andi went private on twitter poor babay. Her work warned her to shut up of get fired
Tucker's Mom said... 121
Today has been a slice of the Twilight Zone!
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Exactly... My god I am getting a headache trying to follow all here crap today lol
Ok back to regular: read Kates Love is blog : me, me, me, me, me!, I,I,I, etc. Kate made referring to her kids as property. Not saying the kids did this and the kids did that, one of the kids has a wonderful singing voice, but the one twin sings to me. It was an I & ME fest. Instead of saying love is watching my kids do this and that, they accomplished this, and then say they make me sooo proud to be their mom. Kate managed to make it about her. I get up early I did this for them etc.
Astabula Pysch Nurse said... 138
I'm so sorry. It seems that one of our patients has escaped again.
February 16, 2012 2:06 PM
Anonymous said... 139
Andi went private on twitter poor babay. Her work warned her to shut up of get fired
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Someone stop this INSANITY! These migrants from other blogs have set up shop here!
Calling admin! Putting out an SOS! Where are you?
Trying to read this stuff....sorry, but I'm totally confused....who are these people??
Shut up really!
Remember the old television show, The Outer Limits? I just caught a snippet of it recently. "There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. For the next hour we will control all that you see and hear. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits."
I think that this is what we are experiencing here today...a control of this blog by those who are living in some kind of bizarre fantasy world.
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AMEN! What is all of this crap? Who are these people, and how did they take over this blog? Extra-terrestrials?
Admin, I know it's a lot of extra work for you, but I have to agree with others that we need to go back to moderation for a while. Some of the posts today are just "bazaar".
Dallas Lady 53 and EM 85 --CLAP! CLAP!! CLAP!!! You've expressed it beautifully. Thank you.
Hey now- STOP IT. I see that you are aiming for me and my friend and you have nowhere else to go. I post here as "Jen" but I won't be posting here again. My friend doesn't post here. Please leave these people alone. I am leaving and won't see any more of your comments. Please stop now.
What the heck are the posts from: 131 to 139, in section 201-341(most of them) about????? I agree with you: Nancy & Tucker mom! Twilight Zone for sure! Post 131 what the heck! is that all about?
Lisa K runs the RWA blog. Apparently these trolls are from the now-defunct pro-Kate blog that has a vendetta against her and her blog. Why they are doing it here, I have no idea. I guess they have no other forum left. It's like they are multiplying! Reminds me of the scene from Star Trek with the plethora of tribbles. They're everywhere!
Jen the saint hacking into blogs. Post that crap on the IMO blog about IW coward Jen. Andi and you use other names here lair Jen.
Hey, trolls take it somewhere else. Let's talk about Duggars or Kate's new blog. Kate's blog is good for a giggle!
I don't twitter at all, just go there to read and have a laugh.
I still have some tin foil left...my hat is made and the windows are covered. I will share with the rest of you. I agree -- who ARE these people?
For What It's Worth... said... 151
It's like they are multiplying! Reminds me of the scene from Star Trek with the plethora of tribbles. They're everywhere!
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Ha. I was thinking Gremlins and the 'don't feed them after midnight' line. Which one of these characters here is Stripe?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 28
One thing about the Duggars, not that it makes much difference, is sort of an "actual malice" thing.
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Administrator, I really appreciate the wording and tone in your #28 comment. I did not find it offensive and I found it very honest and fair. How you worded your opinion at the end about believing they are exploiting the children came across as just that, your opinion.
I highly respect that. You left room for others to agree or disagree without feeling exalted or belittled no matter how they felt about the subject matter. You taught without scolding. Great example of how to comment on your blog. Congratulations, my bonnet is off to you.
My 2 cents on the subject matter. There is a difference in evil intent and innocent intent. Evil intent knows what they are doing and are unwilling to change. Innocent intent means well but has gotten lost. They are willing to change if they find they are wrong. That doesn't mean they are bad people. Whereas evil intent mean to hurt.
If you disagree, teach me, don't scold me please.
nj
Two things. First, Dallas Lady you are on fire today! I'd add a baby in that statement, but it just sounds cheesy :) I think I'll cut and save your posts today and make them a manifesto should I ever need one. I'll credit you of course.
Second, someone is taking a few educated, negative thoughts, observations and opinions on Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar WAY to personally.
So for those who don't read the pro-Kate blogs, are we to assume that this is the mentality and intelligence level of these people? Good grief! Are they adults...and do they have families?
This is what Kate attracts? Fascinating!
Dallas Lady - 60. Thank you for posting her blog composition here.
It is sickeningly sweet with fake and self-promoting glop. I lost count of all the "my" references. I don't know any genuine and loving mother who would consider representing her feelings that way. I do hope that her children really are that special, in spite of her.
She never ceases to trump her own stupidity.
I've never seen a Duggar show although I did see photos and an article about the miscarriage. I think there were photos of the baby (picture of her hand in her mom's hand?). I'm not much in to "reality tv" and never saw Jon and Kate plus 8 or Kate plus 8 except on YouTube after I stumbled on this blog. Does anyone remember the Loud family from "An American Family"? I recall seeing a few episodes and was wondering if it was the first "reality" show. Anyone?
I'm sorry, I pressed the enter key too soon. I meant to add this from Wikipedia as I think this observation could apply to all reality shows.
For the viewing public, the controversy surrounding An American Family doubled as a crash course in media literacy. The Louds, in claiming that the material had been edited to emphasize the negative, called attention to how nonfiction narratives are fashioned. Some critics argued that the camera’s presence encouraged the subjects to perform. Some even said it invalidated the project. That line of reasoning, as Mr. Gilbert has pointed out, would invalidate all documentaries. It also discounts the role of performance in everyday life, and the potential function of the camera as a catalyst, not simply an observer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_American_Family
Audible Chick - 158. The Loud family would probably be considered the first reality show. PBS. The family self-destructed while the cameras were rolling. In later interviews, they said they just forgot TV was in the house with them. At the time, quite ground breaking.
The Duggars worry me because they still control the kids even after 18. I bet if one of Kate's kids wanted to leave at 18, she would happily send them out the door. Even Josh Duggar who is married, is living in his grandmother's rental home & his father owns the carlot(s) so if he said he wanted to leave the Gothard ATI VF lifestyle it would be hard. He has a wife & 2 kids and possibly a GED? They have 5 kids besides Josh over 18 & none have done anything against the ATI rules. The girls are stay at home daughters, and the one son JD have the part time tow business. Joy-Anna will be the first to leave IMO. If you follow Amy (the cousin) it appears as if she is spending alot of time with JoyAnna & Joy is the first not perfectly conform for her age(no perm yet:).
What worries me is that the Duggars see this as a ministry. There are people who have become ATI because of the show. TLC is showing a very very pretty picture of the quiverfull/ATI life. Most families like the Duggars live in poverty and are still living in the frumper stages in a small house like we first saw the Duggars.
I would love to know how the Duggars over 18 are paid by TLC. I frequesnt a blog where people have dug up property & tax records on the Duggars and they sure have alot of money recently(millions).
Since the big season opener got 1.499 mil viewers I hope this will be the last season.
The Bates family (the Tenn family with 19 kids) is getting a show in March. They are worse then the Duggars when it comes to restrictive life so even if the Duggars gets the axe, the Bates will be the "next family".
Where does KT have a new blog?
I would love to know how the Duggars over 18 are paid by TLC. I frequesnt a blog where people have dug up property & tax records on the Duggars and they sure have alot of money recently(millions).
Since the big season opener got 1.499 mil viewers I hope this will be the last season.
Buddy said... 197
Impartial observer,
No, I cannot see Marie M. as being right at all. I don't think she had any valid points.
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You choose to believe that you are doing nothing wrong by sitting back and criticizing someone while you are a daily voyeur into that very world that you say you hate. You need to some self evaluation into why you do this
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Marie, Buddy, and Impartial Observer--
Kate took money in exchange for allowing adults to come into her home, film her children naked and in varying states of undress, and then put the images of her exposed children on television for others to see. Even now she says that she would consider another show with her children. As past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior, it is logical to expect that she would be willing to expose her children again in the same manner that she did before,if the price is right. We do not want the Gosselin children to be filmed in any state of undress in order to make money for their mother. That is why we are here.
Any further questions?
I frequesnt a blog where people have dug up property & tax records on the Duggars and they sure have alot of money recently(millions).
Audible Click said... 88
To use Anonymous or to pick a throw away name is disingenuous.
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Audible, I like that "throw away name" description. Drives me crazy reading all those puns prior to a comment. First few were funny. I then began to see it as a way to slam someone and avoid responsibility.
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I've got it! "The Twilight Zone"...can you just hear the music?
It is sickeningly sweet with fake and self-promoting glop. I lost count of all the "my" references. I don't know any genuine and loving mother who would consider representing her feelings that way. I do hope that her children really are that special, in spite of her.
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Why does she keep doing this? Self-promoting herself as the World's Great Mom? Insecurity? The need to reassure herself that she's doing everything right? She needs to give up the ghost! We've heard it over and over again, and we're not impressed. She just won't stop.
Whoa, feels like my fever is back and worse than ever! Where am I? Cammie, #160, I would also like the link you mention about the Duggars.
I really think the Duggar's are money ho's piming out 19 kids and some Grand kids so sick.
I'm so sorry you all had to deal with all the zombies here today. Although it did offer a disturbing look into the minds of the more deranged who follow Kate.
Hopefully the problem is over. Please don't comment anymore on that because in the interest of cutting it off even those comments will be deleted. Thanks!
I have major concerns about the Duggar's money. In the previews the oldest Duggar was shown trying to keep his car business going in a tough economy. Wait a minute, hasn't he been working since he was 14 or 15? Where is all his money? IF they are millionaires, why is he struggling to keep a used car lot afloat? How much is each kid getting paid, especially the adults?
This is exactly what I fear for the Gosselins, they'll be struggling at 21 years old to keep themselves above water because they too don't see very much of all the money they earned.
Is it Josh? Josh has been working since he was a child and continues to work on a show that has been for the mot part wildly successful. He should demand his fair cut.
I don't know if my previous comment will post, so I will say again that I am a long time lurker. I updated my computer today with the latest patches from Microsoft.
One thing that has been coming up is that Google is unsafe. There are some problems with the latest Microsoft updates. This may be what is happening to some.
I have a Mac now so I'm not aware of windows updates causing problems. But I can assure you I will never track anyone here, try to get anyone with a virus, or any other shenanigans. Don't take it personal, but I just don't care that much to try to get this info. LOL.
And this last tweet from Moron Mom is why she is not the goodest mom - apparently she and the twins are in bed together doing Mad Libs, sweet picture that, BUT do you have to stop and TWEET about it? Stop making memories and connecting to virtual strangers, just live your damn life, and live it PRIVATELY. Does she say, oh excuse me C&M while I tweet that we're playing here together? Moron.
Layla said: Marie, Buddy, and Impartial Observer--
Kate took money in exchange for allowing adults to come into her home, film her children naked and in varying states of undress, and then put the images of her exposed children on television for others to see. Even now she says that she would consider another show with her children. As past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior, it is logical to expect that she would be willing to expose her children again in the same manner that she did before,if the price is right. We do not want the Gosselin children to be filmed in any state of undress in order to make money for their mother. That is why we are here.
Any further questions?
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Amen, Layla.
If the Kate fans want really want to be her fan and have her back, then please ya'll- help her out and go on her cruise. While you're at the barbeque and going on her morning runs, you can tell her all about how awesome you think she is and how you support her occupation as a z-list grifter who is living outside her means while refusing to accept that her 'career' is over.
Please stay out of our civilized and pleasant corner of the 'net.
Phew! I hate cleaning!
Did some swiffering, think I got most of the really horrible stuff.
I hate to even address the ad question, but realitytvkids.com is not free and must be renewed every year, nor is Photoshop free to make you spew your coffee. I don't even break even on this blog, but I like doing it so it's worth it. Although you can make good money on the internet with blogging, most web sites do not make a profit and this is no exception. Celeb sites are notorious for making next to nothing because for some reason people who visit celeb sites don't tend to pay attention to ads.
I wonder if Mady and Cara say please mom can you put your phone down and play with us?
Kate is desperate to prove she is a good mommy. The criticism is getting to her. She doesn't understand a good mommy who is really playing mad libs with her children wouldn't even think to pick up her phone and tweet about it.
Kate fans can't afford her cruise. She has no clue what her demographic is but I'll make it simple for her: they can't come up with four grand (or really, a lot more) by May. End of story.
Maybe they should focus on raising the money to go on her cruise instead of trying to bring down a nice blog. The best way to get KAte back is to make her cruise a grand success and keep her relevant and maybe even doing another cruise next year.
Love is a whopping 25 references to I, me, my, mom, mommy, and only one sentence about a kid that doesn't mention her (Cara helping kids with homework). Wowee.
So does this mean the Duggars are on the way out with a new 19-kid family?
I decided to have my name highlighted, I'm not going to change my name but maybe make it less confusing. But today, I pretty much avoided this whole mess on 15 Min. Hope nobody minds.
Astabula Pysch Nurse said... 138
I'm so sorry. It seems that one of our patients has escaped again.
This is about the only thing that makes sense of what has been happening here today.
First we were being invaded on Sunday nights. Now it seems like we have been totally taken over by aliens. Dmasy I really could use some of that tin foil. How much are you charging? I am reading but not understanding half of what has been written today. I hope things get back to normal soon. This has given me a headache just trying to make sense of it all.
It's over with now that we're on moderated, no worries. Is everyone okay? Come out from the bunker!
I think the short story as I understand it is that another blog shut down, couldn't even tell you I know what this blog is, and a lot of people were looking for a new home. They are welcome here that's fine IF they follow the rules but they need to understand this blog doesn't tolerate things that may have been allowed elsewhere. And also need to understand most of us, if not all of us DON'T CARE about drama at other blogs. We just don't. Their M.O. is to break all the rules be complete jerks, then cry that only opinions that support this blog are allowed. I can see this stuff from a mile away.
Two more tweets about mad libs. Kate put your f-ing phone down and play with your kids. It is not your responsibility to keep your obsessed fans informed of every noun and verb you come up with. Give Mady and Cara some privacy with you for once. We don't NEED to know about this!
SG @151 (first page) mentioned that she likes Criminal Minds. So do I and I was watching an old episode today about social networks and people putting so much information out there. Rossi said " whose life is so important that we'd be interested in this kind of thing?". Although the show wasn't about twitter I couldn't help but think of Kate and her endless twittering about everything and her blog the sole purpose of which seems to be to tell the world how great she is. Kate, you're not that important and we're just not that interested
Kate has one fan who is very frustrated by not getting a retweet from her. Some of her other fans are telling her that Kate has so many followers she can't retweet or respond to everyone that asks. Then another fan asks(thanks to Big Fan's tweets) if it's true that Kate will only retweet if she is offered gifts. This is how Kate responded:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
RT @mtnsunshine12 @Kateplusmy8. So do u REALLY not rt your fans unless we offer u gifts? SERIOUSLY?ANY TWEET THAT DESERVES RETWEETING I DO!
Does she ever think? I'm sure she made that other fan feel that she is definitely not worthy enough to get a retweet. What an idiot.
And what really makes her a moron is how every mommy thing she does is AMAZING. She made AMAZING ham and cheese paninis from homemade bread. Hello? Being done in kitchens across Mommyland every night. Really. And she keeps twatting from game night with her girls. Message to them K8?
Excuse me, I'm going to reheat some AMAZING homemade lasagne from dinner last night. Did I mention it was AMAZING?
Good swiffering job, Admin, it was really crazy land today. Sorry you had to do that.
Any tweet that "deserves" retweeting?
She is MEAN. I can't stand the way she talks to these people who have worshiped her for so long. Please young teens wake up and worship a celeb who will actually appreciate you. I'd suggest for starters maybe the Hanson brothers. They love their fans so much, all three of them married fans!
The Bitter End, excellent post. And I Don't think it's a minority opinion to say the filming ended too little too late and the kids may have severe issues in the long run.
This seems to be the general public consensus, that Kate is a child exploiter who very likely caused permanent damage. Tons of people have said this publicly. Her show is always mentioned as the poster child for exploiting kids on TV. Congrats, she is the queen of something.
What one adult views as a minor infraction can scar a child for life. What might seem minor to an adult that wasn't mistreated as a child could be major to that child.
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I had to remark on this comment because I couldn't agree more how true it is. What right does anyone have to say a child will be fine despite their parents' actions? That is not your judgement call to make, that is a CHILD's call.
Ask anyone who has done conjoint therapy with their mother or father because they've had issues. Chances are they will tell you that some of the things they talk about in therapy their parents either don't remember, saw as insignificant, or remembered completely differently. Just because an adult thinks what is done to a child is fine and dandy does not mean a child won't process it very differently.
If anyone has seen the reality show Ruby about an overweight woman who has blocked out several years of her childhood, you will see this very thing. Ruby would bring up several significant events in her childhood that scarred her, and her Mom had no memory of it or remembered it differently.
Kate should rename her blog "Kate plus MY Self".
Audible Click said... 111
I'm curious, why don't you choose name/url from the drop down "Comment as" box? You don't need a URL to use it.
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I'm surprised you said I didn't need a URL. I tried using this way but, for whatever reason, it didn't work. I'm not very computer savvy so I couldn't figure it out.
In the beginning I unknowingly took the name of a former sheeple who caused problems. Letting all know, I changed my name again but anytime, some but not all, disagreed with me they made it very personal. I then took nj and, who knows why, people aren't quite so mean.
It's something I told admin. I would work out privately with her when I get the info collected. Until then, I feel it's safer to stay nj. Thanks for asking so nicely. It deserved an explanation.
nj
Admin this comment should be gone as well Ashtabula is someones home town ... Carezee said... 175
Astabula Pysch Nurse said... 138
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 176
It's over with now that we're on moderated, no worries. Is everyone okay? Come out from the bunker!
I think the short story as I understand it is that another blog shut down, couldn't even tell you I know what this blog is, and a lot of people were looking for a new home. They are welcome here that's fine IF they follow the rules but they need to understand this blog doesn't tolerate things that may have been allowed elsewhere. And also need to understand most of us, if not all of us DON'T CARE about drama at other blogs. We just don't. Their M.O. is to break all the rules be complete jerks, then cry that only opinions that support this blog are allowed. I can see this stuff from a mile away.
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Ahhhhhh... Good to see this blog is back to normal. Thanks, Administrator.
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Just read what Kate gave her kids for dinner. Over kill. Would not the Chicken pot pie soup & bread be enough? Course the amount Kate gives them it might not be. She also gave them Panni ham/swiss sandwiches, course, Kate might have cut these up into 4's and each kids got a quarter of a sandwich so it makes it sound like she give the kids a lot to eat, when she really didn't)). One day she feeds them little and the next a lot. And please, Kate you could not have baked that bread, earlier in the day? Geez, your home all day.
Hello all you people who adore me! I know you're DYING to know what I did today!!!! It was a crazy busy morning and I was upset that it was cloudy out, but I RESOLVED to OVERCOME THE CLOUDS!!!! I was able to do this because my kid loves me so amazingly much, it's amazing!!!!!!! I made an amazing breakfast! Bananas and toast that was just amazing! My daughter couldn't stop thanking me!!!!! And then she asked me over and over if I needed any help. Then, I went grocery shopping and it was EXHAUSTING AND HORRIBLE! But I always try to keep a POSITIVE ATTITUDE, so I could accomplish the Herculean task of grocery shopping!!!! And now, I'm EXHAUSTED, so I'm going to bed!!!!! Try not to miss me too much while I'm gone!!! You're allowed to talk to each other in my absence!!!!! xxxooo
Thanks Admin, It was really Twilight Zone/Outer Limits here earlier.
Kate Love is: blog was an I & ME fest! Good for a couple of giggles.
I looked up the Chicken pot pie soup, from the ingred, sound like a lot of food, but like I said earlier, Kates bowl of soup might be the smallest bowl she could find. To me with an regular bowl, and a slice of bread or 2, would be enough. And maybe a half a sandwich. Kate never give her kids a full sandwich. I think most 7 year olds eat a full sandwich by now?
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@Kateplusmy8 KATE PLEASE inform me which charity the proceeds from cruise support? Why will u not answer. My daughter BD is 04/16 time tick
abbieleighannja
@cocopops174 @peggyscot @cindycardella @kateplusmy8 OK I smell something fishy!!! I WANT to know where my money goes for cruise?CHARITY??
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Oh, my gosh! Someone tell this person that the proceeds from the cruise don't go to any charity. It's not a charity cruise! The money for the cruise goes to Kate! There is just one charity dinner (optional); you pay $10 to the dinner - that's it! Kate isn't saying what charity, and it's obvious that Cindy isn't going to answer.
An HBO movie, called Cinema Verite, documents the Loud family reality series on PBS. Some of the scenes from episodes were re-enacted. Over the course of filming, it was revealed that one of the sons was gay, as well as her husband's affairs and eventually the decision to divorce.
One of the most interesting aspects was that the producer personally involved himself by manipulating Pat (the wife, played by Diane Lane), who was very vulnerable. Under the guise of being supportive, he actually got Pat to set up dramatic scenes (ex. confronting her singer husband, played by Tim Robbins) for filming. The producer was frustrated at how slowly the story was unfolding and interceded to get the result he wanted.This series was in uncharted waters, at the time, and undoubtedly paved the way for all of the crap we see today.
It was an interesting film--especially for anyone that has gotten caught up in a reality series. I think it has been discussed on this blog before, but seems relevant to bring it up now.
I think she is saying that she made paninis from the leftover bread, not that she made panninis for dinner in addition to the soup and bread.
Soup and bread isn't overkill IMO. If anything I shy away from soup for dinner since it never fills me up, though I think pot pie soup is probably heartier.
A movie about a reality show.
Something is funny about that.
Kate is sometimes, hard to understand what she says. I took it to mean that besides the soup & bread, she also made sandwich or did she make the sandwich for herself? Didn't she get a panni sandwich maker for xmas?
Why on earth, in February pushing March with just a few months until payment is due, has Kate not committing to a charity yet for the dinner?
She has all day long to think about it and commit to something. If she were smart she would pick one already, because that sheeple and a few others might sign up if they know the charity.
This sheeple is going to get frustrated and she's going to lose the sale.
Actually the cruise proceeds are going to charity. The Kate McKreider House.
Dallas Lady, where are the pictures of your amazing breakfast! I want to make sure your kid isn't malnourished.
RT @mtnsunshine12 @Kateplusmy8. So do u REALLY not rt your fans unless we offer u gifts? SERIOUSLY?ANY TWEET THAT DESERVES RETWEETING I DO!
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She religiously retweets the ones that praise her and gush all over her and proclaim her a great mommy. Are those the ones that DESERVE a retweet? Apparently she thinks they are.
She's such an idiot.
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