The new season of 19 Kids and Counting promises to deliver lots of highs: tree planting, baby names, corn maize, music. And some incredible lows--the miscarriage of the Duggar's twentieth child.
Last night's season premiere featured Ma and Pa Duggar worried when the doctor couldn't find their baby's heartbeat. False alarm--she finally found it. But the doomed pregnancy, according to previews, will be chronicled in its entirety, including the moment when they find out the horrible news, followed by the baby's funeral. American's latest most exploited family has lost all sense of decency and boundaries. Wrote entertainment writer and recapper Richard Lawson, "We like to be horrified by 19 Kids and Counting, but not like that." Lawson went on to write:
"The producers presumably had discussions about how to best handle this situation, and it seems they've chosen the most sensationalistic way rather than the most sensitive. The cruelty alone of the show title ending with '...and Counting' is enough to make you cringe. But to then stage a nervous yet ultimately happy doctor's visit at the end of the first episode, as if the season is looking toward new promise, when of course it's not, feels a bit beyond the pale. It feels like they're trying to trick viewers who aren't aware of what happened, hook 'em in with hope and them slam 'em down with a twist at the end."
In other news, Michelle Duggar told Today this morning, "We would be open to more if God saw fit to bless us with more."
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 1115 Newer› Newest»Carrying this over from the other thread, are any of the Kate fans left working moms? I just cannot imagine them not getting annoyed with Kate's constant drama and whining about all the work she has to do when she is HOME ALL DAY. Her job is to post on a blog once or twice a week! It can't take more than a few hours tops. She is the ultimate in part-part-part time Mommy. And she can work from home she doesn't even have to so much as pull her hair back and go to an office.
I just can't imagine working moms being able to stand her complaining when they do everything she does and still work 40 hours or more a week.
No shit, admin! ITA
Look, I only have one husband and zero kids (zero, count 'em zero) and I work only 30 hours a week. I still feel like I have no time to get everything done that I need to do. I wish that these women would realize that their "hero" sits on her arse all day and whines about it.
Any mom, even moreso moms of many children, twins or HOM, would be THRILLED to be able to support their family on Kate's do nothing schedule.
She has all the time in the world for heart plates and heart scones and all the other stuff she does for that very reason. I've never one seen her express how grateful she is to have this much free time.
The Duggars are exploiting their children same as Kate.
Kate's free time is her job. Doing nothing takes work, and is stressful. It's like that song: "Taking Care of Business" by: BTO.
Some lines from that song:
If you ever get annoyed;
Look at me I'm self-employed;
I love to work at nothing all day;
and:
It's the work we avoid;
and were all self-employed;
we love to work at nothing all day.
Kate takes this song to heart, body and soul.
From other thread: Cleaning up Valentines day, pleazeee: it took me less than 10 min to take decorations down and 15 min(had to assemble some) to put Mari Gras up!
Food for thought: dictators and cult leaders, feed their followers very little to just enough food(portions) to function. This keeps the followers and the people weak and easy to control, cause none would dare to rebel, or no food at all. Sound like Kate?
This is shameful.
I just can't even with the Duggars. I don't care HOW nice they SEEM to be, they exploit their family for money and fame. Period.
And now, with this?
I had several miscarriages, unfortunately. One nearly as late as theirs. And one ectopic pregnancy that nearly killed me. I cannot even begin to imagine having our very private grief filmed for public consumption. Having our daughter's tears (she was just old enough to understand enough to be sad) filmed for public consumption. The very thought turns my stomach.
They are attention whores, like anyone else selling their lives on reality TV.
On another note, there's an Australian woman on twitter saying when she finally got to see later episodes of J&K Plus 8, she lost respect for Kate and stopped liking her. Just what we predicted.
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The Duggars are exploiting their children same as Kate.
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I agree. They have gone off the deep end. The only difference is Kate is not a likable person and the Duggars generally are.
It's Kate with a nice smiley kind mask on.
Dallas Lady, I'm sorry to hear about your losses but I'm sure it brings perspective on this. I don't recall any other family exploiting a miscarriage like this. Even celebs who have miscarried barely seem to talk about it. It's one of the few things that most people still seem to regard as very sacred and private, as it should be.
I just can't imagine working moms being able to stand her complaining when they do everything she does and still work 40 hours or more a week.
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I honestly think that the sheeple believe that Kate IS working...taking care of eight kids is her job, and as such, it is so demanding that she doesn't sit on her butt all day doing nothing. It's the EIGHT KIDS scenario. Sheeple don't have eight kids. There is always something to do...laundry, preparing meals, bus-pick ups, scheduling appointments, shopping for things they need, haircuts, dentist appointments, etc. Sheeple don't see it as sitting around doing nothing but tweeting. They see this as her full time job.
They don't get that the kids are in school all day, five days a week, and Jon has them two weekends a month, plus she has nannies, a cleaning crew, and what have you. They don't understand this, or just put it out of mind. There is no sheeple logic, reasoning, or comprehension.
This blog is the only decent site we have to discuss this topic.
The insane haters want to bring their stupid drama here and I'm hoping their posts don't go through.
These people are insane, on both sides. I hope every sheeple and hater who is participating in these twitter wars DOES lose their job.
Grow up.
...and TLC is exploiting the Duggars, just like the Gosselins. It's so frustrating to watch history (as directed by TLC) repeat itself. The Duggar family has lost their way and their innocence. The parents and TLC are once again culpable. It's the children who will be most negatively affected by the blind ambition of the parents. Heartbreaking!
I agree. They have gone off the deep end. The only difference is Kate is not a likable person and the Duggars generally are.
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I don't even like Ma and Pa. He grates on the nerves, and she's so annoying with that faux sweetness and baby voice. They are both pretentious.
I think the Duggars are soon to be replaced by the Bates(who I heard here that they are getting their own show). The Duggars have some mix/strange ideas about everything. But I have to say: they are more loving and caring, let their kids eat as much as they want, they do take time to teach their kids and interact with them, they are nothing like Kate. Kate makes it a chore to interact with her kids, nothing is impulsive, Duggars are making memories too, but they still take their own pics(the little ones as young as 4, were taking pics with cameras and video), are nice to people who come up to them, they have been around as long as Kate has. I'm not really defending them, just pointing out, if I had to choose, a reality show to watch of the family ones that are still on, they would be it. Granted I don't care much for their anti-college or not futhering higher education and their thinking on what a females role is, they have safety issues, and this need for more children, is very outdated and Victorian.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 1
Carrying this over from the other thread, are any of the Kate fans left working moms? I just cannot imagine them not getting annoyed with Kate's constant drama and whining about all the work she has to do when she is HOME ALL DAY. Her job is to post on a blog once or twice a week! It can't take more than a few hours tops. She is the ultimate in part-part-part time Mommy. And she can work from home she doesn't even have to so much as pull her hair back and go to an office.
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All this whining and exhaustedness-ish and her pity parties for herself tells me she might not employ the amount of help she used to have. Didn't she have a nanny four days a week last year, even through the school year? But then that would mean she was being fiscally responsible. I just don't see her sparing any expense when it comes to her love of having others do her housework and care for her children.
In regards to the Duggars, TLC is trying to milk this sad, tragic and terrible event into their next 9 million viewer Jon & Kate divorce episode. Sick, sick, sick and I'm glad TLC is getting called out over it.
Admin, exactly. It's intensely personal and private. And horribly sad. All that hope and expectation and joy just slammed to a halt and replaced with shock and grief. And then the physical pain you are going through is just salt in the wound.
Then you have to tell everyone who knew about the pregnancy. I think that's one of the hardest parts. Of course everyone is sympathetic, but it's hard having to say it over and over. I can't even imagine having it all filmed for a national audience, having PROMOS made for it, going on the Today show to be interviewed about it and on and on. Augh.
If you accidently leave your credit card (or password) in a public place it does NOT allow anyone to steal it.
Justifying this sort of theft is reprehensible.
The Duggars? They are creepy to me and the extent to which they isolate their children is horrible.
I'm not surprised they chose to expolit a miscarriage for ratings.
What credit card? I'm lost.
I too think that TLC has hit a new low. Losing a baby is a terrible thing. If they wanted to explore this, then explore it. Now before anyone comes down on me, let me explain. Have Michelle, talk about what happened, then promote a therapy class or info for women who lost a child. This is something that our society does not talk much about, and how people we know avoid us, or don't know how to talk to us about what happened. We always hear, I'm sorry, give it time, try again. This could have been made into a positive thing. When I heard of the funeral, and saw the pic, it was disturbing. I thought TLC put them up to this for ratings and I still believe this. TLC has so much directions they can go to make things positive, info, and helpful, but they are choosing the low class way for RATINGS. Drama, shock, confrontation, ruining of families and divorce. Not to mention exploiting children.
Let's put the tragic things of society on TV, exploit them for rating, rake in the money.
The fact that Admin doesn't "get" the credit card/password analogy is proof she doesn't live on twitter.
Good for you, our trusted Admin.
There are some vile haters that harrass Kate and her lame sheeple each and every day. There was a blog that they stole the passwoed to and are now likening it to if someone accidently leaves their credit card on the counter the owner is responsible for the charges/damages. Legal action is being taken against them, it's about time.
It's pathetic. They are the lower crust haters, it's a shame they are associated with us.
Twitter is such sewage I don't even like it talked about here actually. Same drama, different day.
A blog moderator posted her login and password on a public site. Someone compared it to posting a credit card number on a public site. Both are dumb moves but the ensuing results are the fault the person that handled entrusted information so carelessly.
From Lawson's recap:
The clan traveled to some sort of corn maze/petting zoo, where the little ones scrambled around and the bigger ones had fun in their own slightly less enthusiastic way.
That sounds familiar. Has TLC run out of ideas as to where kids should be filmed?
Anyway, to the point of the thread - I'm pro choice about just about everything, even when it comes to watching tv so I've chosen not watch the Duggers exploit their 19 count 'em 19 kids (those Quiverfull men are sure a horny bunch imo). And I think it's their choice to have a funeral for their dead child too, but to film it for a reality tv show is about as low as it goes.
I think they're just as greedy as Kate.
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Twitter is such sewage I don't even like it talked about here actually. Same drama, different day.
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Totally agree with that admin. The twitter feed above is the extent of my twitter experience.
I don't blame TLC, I blame the Duggar parents. TLC isn't forcing them or exploiting them. They are financially savvy adults who have much more control over their tv show than most seem to think. Just like I don't think TLC and fame made Kate what/who she is.
And I have never liked the Duggars. Smiling a lot, speaking in an ultra positive way, and hiding behind religion does not make someone a good person. Remember the reality part of reality show is a misnomer. There is more editing than any fictional program.
I'm one of the last people to stop supporting the Duggars. Having lost a baby myself, I can't imagine having a camera film me and my husband when we heard the devastating news. It's just WRONG that they would not treat this situation with respect. I am appalled.
Sewage is a good word for it.
LOL!
One thing about the Duggars, not that it makes much difference, is sort of an "actual malice" thing.
I firmly believe Kate knows darn well what she is doing, knows darn well how much she has exploited the kids, and knows darn well how bad it is for them. She puts on an act the kids are fine, but she knows deep down how much it screwed up their lives. She had actual malice when she exploited them. Conversely, I think the Duggars sincerely believe that they have been able to protect their kids from the bad and only give them the benefits of their reality show. I think they sincerely believe that it is a positive thing to share their lifestyle with others, including the good and bad, and yes even a miscarriage. They have lost their sense of what is appropriate, what should be private, because of doing this so long.
The sincerity is a bit charming, for lack of a better word. But at the end of the day, the kids are still being exploited no matter how nice your intentions are.
Awhile back I made the analogy to professors. Anyone who has been to college knows there are good ones and bad ones (and very bad ones) out there. But the bad professors who are jerks are soooo much easier to hate. The ones that are sincerely nice people, really are trying to teach you, are very smart but are just sort of socially awkward and can't convey their smartness to your learning, it's very hard to be upset over. The Duggars are that sweet, though bad professor just trying to teach you, and they are hard to get all that mad at. Though it's getting easier.
I've been trying to post a tweet all day... Twitter not letting me... Ugh, I hate 'twitter jail'... Sorry, guys. I'm not ignoring you... :) about 5 hours ago
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I'm sorry I just have to say this again. What are the chances the one tweet you manage to get through is a tweet about how you can't get tweets through! Kate is so lucky!
Tamara I tend to blame TLC and the parents equally. I think TLC has a moral obligation as human beings not to air footage like this. Even if the family is making misguided choices and want to air it. It's not their show. It's TLC's show.
The Duggars could have asked them to not air and even destroy the footage of them not being able to find a heartbeat. But TLC could have done the right thing and done it of their own accord without even giving the family the option of airing it. All it takes is a match and a soul.
Arguably, you could say TLC filmed a death. Which is so taboo even 60 Minutes had major backlash when they did that on a famous piece about Dr. Kavorkian. There was some footage of people jumping out of buildings on 9-11 that was shown sparingly and for the value of understanding how terrible that day was. It is rarely if never aired anymore. There was huge backlash when video was aired of a man falling to his death at a baseball game. I'm not aware of any other deaths being broadcast up close unless it was unintentional.
Even Animal Planet (or whatever network it was) destroyed the footage of Steve Irwin's death pretty quickly....within days if I recall. They never showed it to the family.
There is also audio of Timothy Treadwell being killed by a bear that was never aired in his documentary and later destroyed by his friend who had possession of it. The director didn't ask for guidance from Treadwell's family, he made the decision himself not to air it.
By the way the subtitle is not meant to be commentary on abortion per say, but rather commentary on whether any child, whether the parents chose an abortion or had a natural miscarriage, should have his death exploited.
And I have never liked the Duggars. Smiling a lot, speaking in an ultra positive way, and hiding behind religion does not make someone a good person. Remember the reality part of reality show is a misnomer. There is more editing than any fictional program.
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Overall I see that the family treats other people with kindness. They seem generous and big hearted. They don't seem to scream and shout and demean their children. They talk nicely about their kids. I am aware some people don't like their discipline methods (blanket training I think?) but I can't remark on that since I've never seen that on the show. They don't act selfish, ungrateful, or spoiled. Their approach is the opposite of how Kate behaves. I always used to say that the Duggars are a perfect example of parenting you may not agree with but it's parenting they have a right to do--whereas with Kate's parenting, it's crossing the line from oh I just don't agree with that method, to countless people having serious concerns for the children's physical and especially emotional well being. There's a difference and I never got that vibe from the Duggars other than, hmm, that's odd but ok. Like Lawson said we liked to be "horrified" because it's entertaining and fun. When it crosses the line to I'm uncomfortable and feeling horrible for the kids, it's not longer fun.
I don't believe their personalities are an act. But like it's been said, a nice person does not mean you are excused from exploiting their kids.
If we are going to have a first row seat for the miscarriage, why don't we have a first row seat when it comes to the creation of the child? Because that would cross the artificial line that the Duggars have laid down as a boundary between her family and the public.
Kate allowed the cameras to invade her children's most private moments--she clearly lacks any boundaries between her children and the public. As she said, Kate views her kids as an extension of herself and the Duggars, I am guessing, view children as possessions. Different paths but same destination--INAPPROPRIATE! IMO. But, until there is a public debate and consistent state laws that protect children, these types of exploitive shows WILL continue to be made, with each show going further than the one before. The next show will have to beat the Duggars in drama--what will be next? Maybe it will take a nice big juicy lawsuit and a huge settlement to remove the profit incentive.
It's hard to put it into words but I am trying. I don't personally care if the Duggars want to take cameras on vacation with them. It's actually kind of nice to see a group of people that like each other and enjoy the good things they are blessed to have. They seem very thankful and kind.
But bringing a camera into some of these situations is disrespectful. It's shameful to use the death of your baby as a teaser for your upcoming season. There's no way to make that ok, it's just wrong.
Like I said previously,, TLC could have done something good and positive, to help other woman who have gone threw something as tragic as losing a child. Cause over the years I've knew a lot of woman who went through this. Many lost people they thought were true friends, family stayed away cause they did not know what to say, a lot of husbands and wives got divorced, cause they don't talk to each other. TLC made this dirty. I don't think I will watch that episode. TLC is doing it for ratings. Not taking in consideration that millions of women, out there who miscarried, might not want to be reminded. Certainly not that way, that is just low and dirty.
Nurse, 33...If we are going to have a first row seat for the miscarriage, why don't we have a first row seat when it comes to the creation of the child?
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geez, nurse - thanks for that image right before I go to bed! :0)
Have Michelle, talk about what happened, then promote a therapy class or info for women who lost a child.
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Maybe they will. It hasn't aired yet.
I'm sorry but TLC showed a man making out with his car and a woman eating cat food/treats.
Sadly I don't think TLC is done they will keep on going and going how low is any body's guess.
They have no shame.
Tamara I tend to blame TLC and the parents equally. I think TLC has a moral obligation as human beings not to air footage like this. Even if the family is making misguided choices and want to air it. It's not their show. It's TLC's show.
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I agree TLC has some fault, but they are a business and it's not as if they are filming and airing this against the Duggar's wishes. I think blame is more TLC 25, Duggars 75. Nor is TLC the only ones making money from this. That just adds another sickening note, the Duggars are making money off the death of their child. And off the suffering of their youngest daughter, the injuries of their son who fell off the stage, and every other bad thing that has happened to their children. That makes them just as bad as Kate if not worse in a way.
There is also audio of Timothy Treadwell being killed by a bear that was never aired in his documentary and later destroyed by his friend who had possession of it.
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Wow. I would have liked to see that. But I'm kinda twisted like that. Probably wouldn't have been able to watch it without turning away after the first minute anyway. I know. I'm sick in the head. LOl
25-75 I can go for as long as TLC holds some responsibility.
In real life a business can't just do unethical things and hide behind "it's just business" or we wouldn't have thousands of laws on the books about fair business practices.
If a grocery store chain wanted to employ 9 year old kids there would be outrage. Even if it weren't illegal it is and immoral. People do expect business to be moral. Look at the outcry over Bernie Madoff. It's just business, no way. It was wrong. So too does TLC have, even as a business, a moral obligation to treat children fairly and kindly and not exploit them.
I always used to say that the Duggars are a perfect example of parenting you may not agree with but it's parenting they have a right to do--whereas with Kate's parenting, it's crossing the line from oh I just don't agree with that method, to countless people having serious concerns for the children's physical and especially emotional well being. There's a difference and I never got that vibe from the Duggars other than, hmm, that's odd but ok.
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I definitely think the Duggar's parenting will and is hurting their children. Forcing your elder children, especially the females, to raise their more than a dozen younger siblings is wrong and abuse. As for speaking to them nicely etc, we know that TLC didn't air the spanking and straight out physical abuse by Kate and Jon, and edited a lot of bitter arguing between the couple in front of the kids. I would not be remotely surprised to learn there is a lot to the Duggar's "parenting" methods we have never seen.
And that doesn't even begin to cover the exploit our children side to the Duggar's parenting.
we liked to be "horrified" because it's entertaining and fun. When it crosses the line to I'm uncomfortable ...
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So I'm not the only one! I'm just kidding.
I wonder if it crosses Kate's mind that it appears HER kids and her kids only have/had discussions on mainstream news about how reality shows mess kids up. Other than maybe Teresa from RHoNJ, no one really says much about any of the other vast number of kids in reality tv other than Kate's. Maybe Dance Mom's.
Yes I just think if there is really bad things going on, they are very careful to keep it well hidden. I also don't get the same sense of unhappiness around their parents we have definitely seen from the kids around Kate (versus, say, a pick up from Jon where they thrilled.) We certainly never saw the terrorized screams for Daddy in the van from the Duggars. There is something about the kids relationship with Kate that stepped it up a level.
The Duggars keep anything more conversional very private. Kate doesn't. Which in a way, I think makes Kate way crazier--in that she doesn't even realize how horrible what she does is to even try to hide it. She has no concept.
I agree TLC has some fault, but they are a business and it's not as if they are filming and airing this against the Duggar's wishes. I think blame is more TLC 25, Duggars 75.
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I completely agree, Teresa. You're also right about them making $$. I'll bet Michelle is writing a book about "How To Survive A Miscarraige" or something as we speak (or type).
I really hope 'germaphobe' Kate washed those teeny heart plates before using them. Who wants to bet she didn't?
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I agree TLC has some fault, but they are a business and it's not as if they are filming and airing this against the Duggar's wishes. I think blame is more TLC 25, Duggars 75.
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I completely agree, Teresa. You're also right about them making $$. I'll bet Michelle is writing a book about "How To Survive A Miscarraige" or something as we speak (or type).
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Um, that was written by me, Tamara. Not Teresa. I'm the one who knows the British meaning of public school. ;) just teasing Teresa, don't punish me for unncessesary snark Admin.
When the next batch of pics come out of Kate, we'll have to look for any new jewellery.
It doesn't matter if they offer miscarriage support. The exploitation has already been done and Richard Lawson explained it. They are using the miscarriage to tease and entice people into watching the season. They are building the pregnancy up like it will be a rocky road will she or won't this baby make it. Knowing full well the outcome of it. They are making this into a dramatic season following the saga of this baby--all while knowing the result. If the miscarriage never happened, that might be another matter. But the fact is, it did, and they know it, and yet they are using this story anyway.
The problem is this isn't a high risk pregnancy on some TV drama you anticipate all season long until you get to A Very Special episode featuring the baby's birth....or if it doesn't make it, death. No, this i a real family, a real baby, a real death, and real grief. Using what happened as a story arc, as a way to draw people in, as a way to play games with people who perhaps don't follow them that closely and don't know the ultimate result of this pregnancy, is sick at best.
Like someone said it's similar to when the divorce was announced on A Very Special Jon and Kate.
I'm sorry Tamara!!
As a single income (and single) mom, I'm raising a teen boy. I usually load his plate up for him because if I didn't, he wouldn't take enough. He's such a great kid but obviously worries too much. I'm fully aware I'm probably a bad mom for him to worry at all. :( Anyway, that's why we don't eat 'family' style. We sit together, though!!
Admin said.. The Duggars keep anything more "controversial" very private. Kate doesn't. Which in a way, I think makes Kate way crazier--in that she doesn't even realize how horrible what she does is to even try to hide it. She has no concept.
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Kate comes off as, and is, just plain crazy, but the Duggars keeping everything "controversial" very private, aka secret is sinister and almost worst. Kind of like when a respected neighbor, family man, involved in church and such turns out to be a serial killer or has been horribly abusing his family for years. The typical refrain of "but he seems so nice..."
Duggars keeping everything "controversial" very private, aka secret is sinister and almost worst
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Possibly. I've always seen it as a good thing. I liked the Duggars and defended them in the past for this very reason, because they seemed to know that certain things shouldn't be discussed on the show or aired. I don't expect anyone on a reality show to disclose every last little dirty secret about them or they will be sinister for not sharing no more than I would of someone in real life. Your privacy is your privacy. Their show felt more like "glimpses" into the family as opposed to a total and utter rape and pillage of everything private that belonged to the Gosselins. Only recently have they suddenly discarded previous tightly guarded privacy, and I've stopped defending them.
As a single income (and single) mom, I'm raising a teen boy. I usually load his plate up for him because if I didn't, he wouldn't take enough. He's such a great kid but obviously worries too much. I'm fully aware I'm probably a bad mom for him to worry at all. :( Anyway, that's why we don't eat 'family' style. We sit together, though!!
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Sounds like your son is very lucky to have you as a mom! Being a good parent doesn't mean sticking to a single set of inflexible rules. It's just that it is so hard to find ANYTHING that Kate, as a parent, does right. If she did, then this would just be a snark site.
Why can't people just be content with what they have, what they are able to have and take care of within their means? In today's world you've got people living in mini-mansions, they have to have the best car, the fancy private school, more money, more kids, more control, more this or more that.
If reality TV people ever took a step back and said, "You know what, I'm content with my life the way it is, I don't need you to film it." Maybe, just maybe people wouldn't end up as bad as things get.
You open yourself up to be filmed you're asking for a lot more than to be filmed. You're asking to give up your privacy, you're giving up your true self as I almost guarantee if someone films you your behavior and attitude will change because you'd be too embarrassed to be your normal self and how you would normally react to things.
If you were to honestly film normal lives...my wager is it be pretty darn boring day in and day out. But have it filmed you suddenly have to go to an amusement park, go across the world, do over the top things that normal people just wouldn't do that often. A normal life sort of runs of routine, similar things that you did yesterday, maybe.
I think perhaps for the first time in a long time Kate is experiencing this. Her normal mundane life in PA with a bunch of kids. I think the camera exacerbated her previous behaviors, maybe she played some of it up.
Why do people want their lives filmed? Most people live average, suburban American lives and that's not a bad thing. The Gosselins beccame different when they quit their jobs for their reality TV show as a way to support themselves--that's when they were no longer normal, ever day people with jobs and a bunch of kids. That's when things started to change and the filming got larger and grandiose.
I don't know much about the Duggar's other what I've seen a few times. I'm not saying they aren't nice people with big hearts but do you really think without putting their lives out there to be filmed they would have gone to Israel and all that? Maybe not.
Just doesn't make any sense to me why people feel the need to put themselves out there. Money? Fame? To show the world of unusual you are? Really?
I don't know maybe there isn't a mom and dad who have a lot of kids who are your average family and not on TV these days. Maybe nobody in a large family runs through a burger joint, goes to soccer practice or has family dinners with their grandparents on occasion. Maybe Kate is the only divorced (single) mom having to support a bunch of kids...
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The Gosselins beccame different when they quit their jobs for their reality TV show as a way to support themselves--that's when they were no longer normal, ever day people with jobs and a bunch of kids.
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Marie, that was my WTF moment. How is it reality when their job is the reality show?That was when they were revealed as grifters and a hoax.
the divorce was announced on A Very Special Jon and Kate.
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It was? I stopped watching before that ep, though I've now seen it. Kind of funny, most people started watching with that episode and it was the one I stopped on.
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The ratings were around 1.4 million. Many of them probably thought the show was going to deal with the miscarriage. I wonder if they can hang with the rest of the season.
Marie said... You open yourself up to be filmed you're asking for a lot more than to be filmed. You're asking to give up your privacy, you're giving up your true self as I almost guarantee if someone films you your behavior and attitude will change because you'd be too embarrassed to be your normal self and how you would normally react to things.
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The giving up of the privacy is the whole point for people who want to be on reality shows. They want the attention and the fame, even more than the money. There have been a number of polls done and it's been shown that for the last decade Americans would rather have fame over riches and even health.
Why can't people just be content with what they have, what they are able to have and take care of within their means? In today's world you've got people living in mini-mansions, they have to have the best car, the fancy private school, more money, more kids, more control, more this or more that.
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I think most people are content. At least I'd like to think so. I think reality and TV gives us a twisted view of where people's priorities are. I know very few people who talk about their mansions, cars, private schools, money or anything like that. Kids, family, sports, current events, movies, tv shows, food, fun are usually the topics of conversation. It explains why Kate truly has so few fans left. The majority of people's priorities do not coincide with hers.
Even the haterz on twitter seem to be winding down. It is time to shut the circus down.
I don't think that anyone who watches reality television in general and TLC in particular is looking for any sort of moral clarity. I try to live my life with honesty and integrity, as I suspect most people who post here do, which is why I am so outraged by some of what I see or hear about. The solution: don't watch. I don't watch the Duggars as I don't care for their personal choices. Exploitation of children is never right, no matter how one tries to justify it. Ditto the exploitation of the loss of a child. We as a viewing public have lost our moral compass.
I meant to say that it is time for Kate to shut the circus down. Last time I checked, the haterz on twitter were talking about their dogs and the Westminster Best In Show Pekingnese (sp?) that won. I thought it was kind of funny that they had seemed to have run out of hate but kept on posting to each other.
Swingsandroundabots--I don't watch any family reality shows and have not watched Gosselin shows since the divorce. Doesn't mean I can't be concerned about the kids.
Ex Nurse, it get's quiet like that when Kart isn't tweeting. She doesn't come on so the fans don't tweet, the hater's have normal conversations. If Kart stopped tweeting altogether, hater's would too. I'm sure of that.
I also know the meaning of a British public school Tamara. I was born in Britain and went to one. ;o/
The majority of people's priorities do not coincide with hers.
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I'm thinking you might be surprised at how wrong you are. Seems to me there's tons of families whose only thoughts are of indulgence and having the best of the best be dammed.
Of course, we don't associate with these kinds of people. We may know OF some acquaintances whose priorities are messed up but we don't befriend them. But they are out there. In a majority of numbers, I'm afraid. Today's society is much more focused on celebrities and how to be JUST LIKE THEM. JMO, of course.
I don't know which one is worse. A network seemingly exploiting a family who tries to show it's possible to be a loving family and that you can raise good moral, well behaved and kind caring children. Or a blog that is an open forum to allow and encourage each other to bash, trash and drag through the mud the name of the family who has never, ever intentionally set out to hurt anyone. To me that is exploitation. And for what? Nothing more than a blog. You can pretty it up all you want by saying your trying to save the children, but at the end of the day, you still exploited them to have a place so you could gossip. PERIOD!!!
At least the Duggar's go around teaching and promoting good and positive things. Which is the opposite of what this blog achieves. All the bickering and rude comments. They would never allow it on their blog. But they would tell them in a kind manor.
*manner*
Of course Anon...you mean the way you are being at the moment?
Out of curiosity I googled "twitter jail" since this isn't the first time she mentions it. On urban dictionary it is defined as follows:
Twitter Jail is no tweeting if you've reached the limit of 100 tweets per hour/1000 per day.
You can access your page, you may not post publicly for a specific period of time. Anything from half an hour to a few hours.
Wow.
So Admin made a good point, if she is in "jail" how did she manage to squeeze through the tweet about being in "jail"? Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
"Twitter jail" - methinks Khate doesn't understand the terminology. Perhaps she has connectivity problems. Maybe there was a buzzard perched on her cell tower.
TLC is equivalent to the traveling freak shows from the late 19th century - early 20th century.
Wikipedia says:
"Changes in popular culture and entertainment, and changing attitudes about physical differences, led to the decline of the freak show as a form of entertainment. As previously mysterious anomalies were scientifically explained as genetic mutations or diseases, freaks became the objects of sympathy rather than fear or disdain. Laws were passed restricting freak shows for these reasons. For example, Michigan law forbids the "exhibition [of] any deformed human being or human monstrosity, except as used for scientific purposes".[1] However, in many places freak shows are still popular features. "
TLC banks on the public not being able to look away from the oddity or the train wreck.
I have watched a few of the Duggar shows over the years. I think they have changed, they are more particular about how they physically present themselves (curled hair, make-up, no more parochial school jumpers).
I don't watch often, but I don't ever remember seeing any of the children having a day when they didn't want to be filmed. No one giving off the vibes like the teens on "Sister Wives", or the Gosselin twins. Makes you wonder - is "only happy faces unless we approve" in the Duggar contract?
Looks like Kate is getting bored with twitter posts, or has been told by "her boss" to lay off, as she is drawing a lot of criticism. The food delivery in NY may have been the catalyst, when she advertised her whereabouts. Who knows with her.
She is posting a lot of pictures recently, so maybe she believes a picture speaks a thousand words. Unfortunately, the pictures SHE is posting only show the kids' food is portion controlled. She certainly has food issues and is transferring them on to her kids who are still growing and need good nutrition and enough food to grow in a healthy manner.
I am not sure this issue will ever be resolved as she has her own food/weight (psychological issues) that she transfers on to her kids, so kids sneaking food when they are hungry is to be expected. As she circles the drain, I don't expect this issue to get much better- very sad.
She apparently is out of Twitter Jail and posting thanks, great job, nothing about herself or kids. Looks like she was read the riot act recently, but still manages to hit RT when someone says something she wants to hear :) So predictable.
Can someone explain NY and the "food delivery" thing? I don't think I follow what happened there. Thank you!
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I also know the meaning of a British public school Tamara. I was born in Britain and went to one. ;o/
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Then I have to ask, as I've asked before, why did you post this????:
As for Admin's post of the young princes Harry and William. As an ex-pat, the UK people are very proud of them. Diana didn't raised them to be self-entitled brats. When they went to theme parks, they waited in the line like everyone else. She took them to Aids/Hiv hospitals to teach them compassion. She didn't send them off to private boarding schools ( although, the queen and Charles tried to force her to)
I'm not trying to call you out or embarrass you, but as you've just said it again....
Rick Santorum and the Duggars... aurns hey turning the clock back on women?
What's up with men dictating what women can and cannot do with their bodies?
Does anyone believe the only reason Michele and Jim Bob only have sex to procreate?
I had two miscarriages and I find the Duggars and TLC's decision to air such a tragedy publicly disgusting. I thought Kate was bad with the exploitation, but these so-called Godly followers are caving to money and fame. They are hypocrites.
I agree that both families are exploiting their children. Kate is visibly horrible and a lot more is on the cutting room floor. It takes more research to begin to see what is being done to the kids in the Duggar family. It isn't shown as it would ruin the image of a large loving Christian family. Many here have gotten very upset at the gender roles Kate assigns to her kids. That is but a drop in the bucket compared to what is *not* shown of the Duggar family.
There is an expectation of the girls to "keep sweet", thus the ever present smiles. Bill Gothard, patriarchy, blanket training, use of the rod, purity rings, stay at home daughters, transfer of authority from father to husband, no outside education, Gothard re-education "camp", "sin in the camp", isolation in the Prayer closet, quiverfull of arrows for God's army... Most people watching the Duggars have no idea. They have a right to their religous beliefs, but what you see is not as simple as a wholesome happy family.
I don't know which is worse. Either way, the parents "branded" and sold their families and non-consenting children for profit. I hope the law catches up with the rights of all kids and laws are enacted against children in "reality" tv.
The clearest hypocrisy with the Duggars is that they don't own a TV and yet they have no trouble contracting to be ON TV. That's a conundrum when you think about it. If you are morally opposed to television then why would you accept money to be on television?
Jen - Exactly. Not to mention that the reason they have so many kids to begin with is not that *they* personally chose each one. The beliefs dictate "God" decides, but with the mandates that no birth control may be used and the woman is not to refuse her husband.
In the end, their beiefs are what they are, but the hipocrasy is astounding.
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Standing ovation. Anonymous and ilk delve no further than the superficial entertainment value of the show. Posters on this blog ask the tough questions and ponder the long-term ramifications of documenting the real lives of minors who can not possibly give informed consent to filming and thus, can not comprehend the positive and negative sequelae inexorably tied to living public lives.
Anon would rather be rapt in front of the boob tube than seriously ponder the rights of minors in this country.
We, as adults, should always err on the side of caution and opt to protect children-- from themselves and sadly, from their parents or legal guardians. We should endeavor to never profit from children and do everything possible to protect their privacy until the day that said children are no longer minors.
Furthermore, please don't tell me that this genre is here to stay. It will only stay if our tolerance becomes high, and our ethics and morality decline.
Jen @78 -
ITA, hypocrisy!!
I also wonder, if, since the Duggars don't own a TV, and the children have limited interaction with other children (families like their own, I assume they don't own TVs either), they are not experiencing the harassment that some other reality TV kids experience in public venues.
So, sure, it's fun to mug for the cameras for these "memories", but, having other people tell you they saw you on TV, or to tease you about something (maybe learning how to drive in the field in front of the house), might make their personal experiences different.
This does not change the fact that it is still child exploitation.
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All this whining and exhaustedness-ish and her pity parties for herself tells me she might not employ the amount of help she used to have. Didn't she have a nanny four days a week last year, even through the school year?
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Wayward, I was wondering the same thing. Does she still pay for all the "help" she used to have? Let's see, housekeeper, nanny, laundry girl, lawn care, pool boy. That's a lot of money for things she could be doing herself. Well, maybe not the pool, but she could do the rest with her 9-10 hours of free time per day, plus two 3-day weekends free per month. She hasn't even done an interview in a month, so it's hard to believe that she doesn't realize that the entertainment world is done with her. And that she's not going to be pulling in that big paycheck, ever again. She needs to stretch out whatever money she has left for as long as possible. IF she's smart (?), she'll get rid of the "help" and get off her a** and do what the rest of us do every day.
Well, I believe that Kate, like all women, has the right to raise her children as she sees fit, even though she appears to be clueless about child development and meeting their needs, as opposed to having them meet hers.
So I see that Kate is out of "Twitter Jail". One of her tweets was a retweet of someone asking to help raise awareness about the tragic death of a 3 year old boy. The tweet included a link which brings you to the home page of GoFundMe.com.
Somehow, I find that very ironic. Wonder if Kate checked out the link before she retweeted it.
Well, I believe that Kate, like all women, has the right to raise her children as she sees fit
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So are you saying you don't believe that some children are better off in foster care? You don't believe the system should ever intervene when parents are screwing up? Not all women have a right to raise their children as they see fit or we wouldn't take kids from their parents.
Michigan law forbids the "exhibition [of] any deformed human being or human monstrosity, except as used for scientific purposes".[1] However, in many places freak shows are still popular features. "
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Hmm. Could the case be made that watching TLC in Michigan is a crime??? :)
I'm thinking you might be surprised at how wrong you are. Seems to me there's tons of families whose only thoughts are of indulgence and having the best of the best be dammed.
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I'm only judging by Kate's fans. I would say Kate's statistics she herself said are accurate. 90% of people hate her. If lots of people live just like Kate, why are so few of them sympathetic to her?
Anonymous, I don't know how to fix this problem of child exploitation, but I do know the salutation is certainly not to simply just stop talking about it. Throughout history ignoring problems never once accomplished anything.
Solution, not salutation, lol. Autocorrect!
Well at least Kate didn't find some way to make the Duggars sad situation about her self.
Well, I believe that Kate, like all women, has the right to raise her children as she sees fit,
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Last week, I watched in horror as Dr. Phil had a show on a girl who survived years of abuse at her mother's hand. To put it mildly, what that "mother" saw fit to do to her daughter would make a maggot puke.
You're statement is so apathetic that it's evil.
Good people do not stand by while bad or even misguided people do bad things, especially to children, including and especially exploiting them for profit.
This exploiting of a miscarriage is just so wrong. I am glad I have quit watching TLC.
I did have a good laugh a few months ago. I mentioned Dugger's at home in a conversation and my 12 yr old granddaughter said, "I think they are robots because no one can be that happy and smiley all the time."
Good people do not stand by while bad or even misguided people do bad things, especially to children, including and especially exploiting them for profit.
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Exactly. Kate's supporters always used to say walk in Kate's shoes. What about the child? What about walking in a child's shoes who is being emotionally or physically abused or exploited? At what point do they get people to rabidly defend them? And shouldn't a human being with any kind of heart have a first instinct to jump to the defense of the CHILD over his parent?
When Kate is in court someday and the children are demanding their money, will she tell the judge I just spent the money as I see fit? Doubt that is going to work as any kind of defense.
Last week, I watched in horror as Dr. Phil had a show on a girl who survived years of abuse at her mother's hand. To put it mildly, what that "mother" saw fit to do to her daughter would make a maggot puke.
You're statement is so apathetic that it's evil.
Good people do not stand by while bad or even misguided people do bad things, especially to children, including and especially exploiting them for profit.
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You might not care for Kate Gosselin, but I think comparing to the way she raises her kids and this mother is just over the top. There is no evidence that Kate does anything like this and to even compare the two is ridiculous.
I don't watch the Duggars. I only know about them from reading hear and other places. I remember when they filmed Josie in NICU hooked up to monitors. I always wondered if one of those monitors had gone off, indicating there was a problem, would they have kept filming?
But now after reading that they are now using the miscarriage not only as part of their show, but also to promote it, I think the cameras would have just kept rolling in the NICU.
ood people do not stand by while bad or even misguided people do bad things, especially to children, including and especially exploiting them for profit.
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You might not care for Kate Gosselin, but I think comparing to the way she raises her kids and this mother is just over the top.
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I didn't see that she suggested Kate did what that mother did, but was responding to anonymous who claims that ALL mothers have a right to raise their kids as they see fit.
No they DON'T, and the Dr. Phil episode is a perfect example.
So are you saying you don't believe that some children are better off in foster care? You don't believe the system should ever intervene when parents are screwing up? Not all women have a right to raise their children as they see fit or we wouldn't take kids from their parents.
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That is not at all what Inez said. She didn't say that parents who abuse their kids should be able to keep them or continue to do it. She is talking about people like Kate, who you may not agree with, but she is raising her children the way she sees fit. As far as I can see, she is not abusive toward them, physically or mentally. If you have proof of something different, maybe instead of just blogging, you should take real action? Do you have proof of that?
That is not at all what Inez said. She didn't say that parents who abuse their kids should be able to keep them or continue to do it. She is talking about people like Kate,
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That is exactly what Inez said. She said, "Well, I believe that Kate, like all women, has the right to raise her children as she sees fit"
LIKE ALL WOMEN.
ALL women. How do you interpret that as anything else? All women have a right to raise their children as they see fit. All. Not, except women who abuse their kids. Not, except drug addicts who use around their kids. Not, except mentally deranged women who abuse their kids. ALL.
And I do believe exploiting your children is emotionally abusive.
That is exactly what Inez said. She said, "Well, I believe that Kate, like all women, has the right to raise her children as she sees fit"
LIKE ALL WOMEN.
ALL women. How do you interpret that as anything else? All women have a right to raise their children as they see fit. All. Not, except women who abuse their kids. Not, except drug addicts who use around their kids. Not, except mentally deranged women who abuse their kids. ALL.
And I do believe exploiting your children is emotionally abusive.
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Let's look at it a different way. Do you believe that NO WOMEN have the right to raise their children the way they see fit? Do they need to get approval from the "parent police" on how to raise their children? As long as children are not being abused, parents have the RIGHT to raise them as they see fit. Your opinion does not count. This is a free country.
How is Kate exploiting her children now? By posting their pictures on twitter every so often?
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Thank you. You are always so well spoken. It's sad to think of any of these kids headlining the rag mags years from now because their privacy was stolen by their parents. Also, I worry for the Duggar kids. Leaving that particular "sect" is hard enough with the fear of being expelled from the family or believing they are going to hell. Now there is the added pressure of what such a decision might do to the public family image and income. Media can and will spin almost anything to make/save money. Look at what they did to Jon. If the corporation backed the parents and not the adult kids - what a public horror that would be.
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Ugh.... Sorry about the spelling mistakes. I am a busy mom of one, count 'em, one kid :)
Let's look at it a different way. Do you believe that NO WOMEN have the right to raise their children the way they see fit? Do they need to get approval from the "parent police" on how to raise their children?
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Of course not. Only in severe cases, like Kate's.
How is Kate exploiting her children now? By posting their pictures on twitter every so often?
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You bet. And by talking about their private moments constantly on Twitter. And, by using the twins to entice people to come along on a cruise. And by invoking the kids at every turn. And by spending their money and claiming there is very little left. It is thankfully much better now that they aren't being filmed, but the exploitation hasn't stopped. And, even when and if it does, it won't make the past five plus years go away, especially for the kids.
Marie M. said...
How is Kate exploiting her children now? By posting their pictures on twitter every so often?
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First, she is still exploiting them by posting pics not just on Twitter, but on her blog.
Second, the shows are still on TLC and are now showing in various other countries around the world.
Her children's pictures and videos are available on the internet and on DVD.
AND most recently she is exploiting Mady and Cara on her upcoming cruise. She is promoting interaction with, and viewing of, her children LIVE on a cruise for money.
She's disgusting.
By the way, if parents with kids in the entertainment field could raise their kids just fine, there wouldn't be any laws restricting their hours, requiring set teachers on set in many states not just for schooling but to enforce the laws and ensure safety, and laws protecting their money.
The law has firmly recognized they cannot be trusted to raise their kids as they see fit. If that is policing, it is necessary because parents over and over and over screw it up.
Not to mention, Bill Blankinship was arrested not just a few months ago.
How much footage of them is still sitting around in various archives that any ole pedophile could get his hands on?
Also, doubt their contracts specified they get a dime from international syndication rights, since residuals are usually negotiated up front. You know, when Jon and Kate were what, 28 years old, had no lawyer, and were taking in with all the "riches" they could get (some few thousand an episode at the time.) They didn't think of this, no way. Here's a post I did on it:
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/09/international-syndication-rights-and.html
These kind of drawbacks are here to stay for them, for years to come.
You bet. And by talking about their private moments constantly on Twitter. And, by using the twins to entice people to come along on a cruise. And by invoking the kids at every turn. And by spending their money and claiming there is very little left. It is thankfully much better now that they aren't being filmed, but the exploitation hasn't stopped. And, even when and if it does, it won't make the past five plus years go away, especially for the kids.
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Okay, let's look at this. Kate's children are talked about almost daily on this blog. Kate's twitter feed is posted on this blog which allows people to go view the pictures she has posted. Is that is exploitation. Does that mean you and the posters here are emotionally abusing the Gosselin children? Based on what you said, yes.
Also, does that mean that when parents post pictures of their childreno on Facebook that they are emotionally abusing their children?
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but I think you need to see both sides. Kate's children are off the air now, which is good. But they are not being abused IMO.
Will they have problems down the road? Maybe. But that is Kate and Jon's problem to deal with and I don't think continually blogging about it is going to help the kids in any way, shape or form. In fact, it may be harmful when they get old enough to actually do searches and find these blogs.
AND most recently she is exploiting Mady and Cara on her upcoming cruise. She is promoting interaction with, and viewing of, her children LIVE on a cruise for money.
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Watch Kate play with the children play on the beach. Dionne's anyone? What is this, the monkey exhibit at the zoo? It's disgusting and wrong and exploitation.
My sense is that there is overt abuse which would incite outrage in all right-minded human beings, and then there is abuse that can be better described as insidious and esoterically pernicious.
I think Kate's exploitation of and financial dependance on her children (for filming and fodder) qualifies as the latter.
Let's remember too that while some parents post videos or pictures of their children online, for the most part they are anonymous children.
The G kids are not anonymous. People know their full names, dates of births, where they live and where they take the bus and go to school. Their friends and complete strangers can watch DVDs or videos/pics of them on the potty, crying, fighting, being spanked, etc.
(Videos or pics of ANY children, anonymous or not, on potties, naked, etc are disgusting and should be illegal.)
Watch Kate play with the children play on the beach. Dionne's anyone? What is this, the monkey exhibit at the zoo? It's disgusting and wrong and exploitation.
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I agree and while Kate's fans will point out that it's great that the twins get to go on an exciting cruise, I say, I wholeheartedly agree.
IF.
If the twins cruise was clandestine and not commercial.
Big difference, folks.
Adim, do you think the kids will ever ask for money from
I believe those kids have had it engrained in to them that
if it weren't for their mother's dogged determination to
keep those cameras rolling, their lives would have been
doomed to mediocrity from Day One.
My belief is that Kate tells them SHE made them famous
by delivering them, all 8 of them. I believe Kate's own self
importance eclipsed their relevance in the show a long
time ago. These children are props, who enjoyed
exciting trips, and all the other perks because their
mother made it happen. If you become, and are treated
as a commodity, a hook to gain notoriety, where do you
get the ability to stand as a person? What these kids do
have perhaps, as they age, is safety in numbers. One
day, they may all stand in court and ask for their
financial share, and that will be a good day.
First, she is still exploiting them by posting pics not just on Twitter, but on her blog.
Second, the shows are still on TLC and are now showing in various other countries around the world.
Her children's pictures and videos are available on the internet and on DVD.
AND most recently she is exploiting Mady and Cara on her upcoming cruise. She is promoting interaction with, and viewing of, her children LIVE on a cruise for money.
She's disgusting.
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Yes, she is disgusting, but so is going to her twitter feed daily to view the things that you call disgusting. What's the difference? Just how are you helping the Gosselin kids? Honestly, I don't think any of you really want to help the Gosselin kids. I think that your hatred of Kate Gosselin is what motivates you. I think that's wrong. It's just wrong.
Marie, ignoring exploitation is not the solution. Talking about exploitation doesn't make that person an exploiter themselves.
If you started talking about how chickens are mistreated in chicken factories, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you are exploiting chickens just because you happen to be talking about it. I'm not following that logic at all.
Parents who post on Facebook are posting pics for a handful of family and friends of children we don't know, who are not famous, who we know nothing about. I know some people don't think they should even do that, but it's apples and oranges. Kate is posting pics and updates to thousands of children the public knows so well we were even there when they were going potty.
Let's remember too that while some parents post videos or pictures of their children online, for the most part they are anonymous children.
The G kids are not anonymous. People know their full names, dates of births, where they live and where they take the bus and go to school. Their friends and complete strangers can watch DVDs or videos/pics of them on the potty, crying, fighting, being spanked, etc.
(Videos or pics of ANY children, anonymous or not, on potties, naked, etc are disgusting and should be illegal.)
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Facebook is not anonymous. Do you post pictures or videos of your children or grandchildren on your facebook page?
Money from Kate (of course)
Marie,
I don't understand your argument. Do you believe the news on TV exploits situations or reports it? If a child is abused by their father and the news reports it and people discuss it in hopes of stopping further abuse of children, is that exploitation?
Is making awareness of something perceived as wrong what you consider further exploitation?
Marie,
The children are STILL on TV! And the internet! And DVD!
Jumping In, they are bright kids. I think when they are older and reach adulthood they will start to realize how much money they made and how they don't have any of it. They also may have a strong support network in their lives who will encourage them to ask questions and demand answers of the people who misused their money. I do think the shit will hit the fan.
Marie, ignoring exploitation is not the solution. Talking about exploitation doesn't make that person an exploiter themselves.
If you started talking about how chickens are mistreated in chicken factories, it would be ludicrous to suggest that you are exploiting chickens just because you happen to be talking about it. I'm not following that logic at all.
Parents who post on Facebook are posting pics for a handful of family and friends of children we don't know, who are not famous, who we know nothing about. I know some people don't think they should even do that, but it's apples and oranges. Kate is posting pics and updates to thousands of children the public knows so well we were even there when they were going potty.
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Once a picture is posted to facebook, it can be copied, and sent out to other people. Things happen like that every day.
Kate's children are off of television now, which is good, but if you feel that she exploits them by putting them on the same Twitter feed that you are posting on your blog, then IMO you are complicit in that exploitation. Just my opinion.
Marie said...
Facebook is not anonymous. Do you post pictures or videos of your children or grandchildren on your facebook page?
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Facebook is not anonymous of you have a public page with your legal name and address on it.
If you have a pseudo-name and no personal info listed it's anonymous. Some have a private account for just the viewing by family and friends. That's different. It's not public.
And again, no one should include pics of children naked or half naked, or on potties, etc.
I've seen enough hours of footage to state plainly and with complete confidence that Kate Gosselin is neglectful and cruel, emotionally abusive and manipulative.
Yeah, that's enough for me.
The show itself was exploitative of the eight kids, that's big issue #1. But what we saw on the show was enough to substantiate big issue #2: how Kate treats her kids. The show is over, thank God, but her poor treatment of the kids continues, for example, allowing one to crawl under a huge vehicle, providing photographic evidence that she isn't feeding them enough, continuing to violate their privacy on Twitter and her website, parental alienation of their father on national TV, shall I go on? Because I could, all of us here could provide many more examples just since the show has ended.
She lost the benefit of the doubt a few years back. Now all the things she continues to show to us over and over on Twitter, her website, those blogs for CC, and the interviews she's done since the show ended just continue to verify what we already knew: she is a bad mother. Hyenas are more maternal.
Facebook can and should be exclusive to just your family and friends. It's just a new way to share photos when in the past we mailed them or emailed them.
I know you'll say well you can hack the privacy controls etc., but you could also walk into someone's house and steal their child's photo album off the coffee table while they're out back gardening. Same difference.
The children are STILL on TV! And the internet! And DVD!
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The fact is that the children are no longer being filmed. Right? Yes, they are on DVD. That is something that cannot be changed. But they are NOT currently being filmed.
Filming was absolutely not the only way the children were exploited. Kate's got a dozen tricks up her sleeve how to exploit them. I thought when filming stopped the exploitation would stop. I was very naive.
Facebook can and should be exclusive to just your family and friends. It's just a new way to share photos when in the past we mailed them or emailed them.
I know you'll say well you can hack the privacy controls etc., but you could also walk into someone's house and steal their child's photo album off the coffee table while they're out back gardening. Same difference.
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The fact is, yes, they exclusive to your family and friends, but there is nothing stopping your family and friends from copying those pictures. And once a picture is commented on, friends of those friends have access to the pictures. And on and on. So, no, it really is not exclusive.
Yes, she is disgusting, but so is going to her twitter feed daily to view the things that you call disgusting. What's the difference?
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One of the worst jobs in the world has got to be a law enforcement official that works on child sexual crimes-the things they must see would gag a maggot. They police child porn and various disgusting sites to monitor what's going on, what continues to go on, and new crimes on the horizon.
They police while sickos get pleasure from it.
Big difference.
Compare RTV Kids and compare Kate's fans who BEG her to get her kids back on TV. Of course we want to know that Kate is still putting her kids out there for public consumption and still responding in the positive that she AND THE CHILDREN (YES, LUMPED TOGETHER, ALL 8 OF THEM) would love to let the fans back into their lives and film again.
Sick. And really sick if you can not or are unable to discern the difference.
I agree and while Kate's fans will point out that it's great that the twins get to go on an exciting cruise, I say, I wholeheartedly agree.
IF.
If the twins cruise was clandestine and not commercial.
Big difference, folks.
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Exactly. If the sole purpose of the twins going is just to enjoy a wonderful cruise (which I happen to agree is fine) then we wouldn't even KNOW the twins are going. It would be kept a secret. It was not. It was used, from day freaking ONE, to entice people to sign up.
Marie said...
Once a picture is posted to facebook, it can be copied, and sent out to other people. Things happen like that every day.
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Maybe so, but I trust the people on my PRIVATE Facebook account.
Also, most times if a photo is copied it's just the photo. They don't include the child's personal information, full name, address, school, etc.
There really is NO comparison to what Kate is doing to her children.
Filming was absolutely not the only way the children were exploited. Kate's got a dozen tricks up her sleeve how to exploit them. I thought when filming stopped the exploitation would stop. I was very naive.
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If that's true, then you are continuing to exploit them yourself. If it wasn't for Kate and the Gosselin children, where would this blog be and what would you be doing? Maybe your time would be better spent fighting for the rights of all of the physically and mentally abused children in this country.
One of the worst jobs in the world has got to be a law enforcement official that works on child sexual crimes-the things they must see would gag a maggot. They police child porn and various disgusting sites to monitor what's going on, what continues to go on, and new crimes on the horizon.
They police while sickos get pleasure from it.
Big difference.
Compare RTV Kids and compare Kate's fans who BEG her to get her kids back on TV. Of course we want to know that Kate is still putting her kids out there for public consumption and still responding in the positive that she AND THE CHILDREN (YES, LUMPED TOGETHER, ALL 8 OF THEM) would love to let the fans back into their lives and film again.
Sick. And really sick if you can not or are unable to discern the difference.
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It is sick that you cannot see the difference. If you believe that people who watch this "exploitation" are sick, then what do you call yourself? You are wathing what you call exploitation daily and exclaiming over it daily. It's sick that you do not see the hypocrisy.
Marie M. said... 111
First, she is still exploiting them by posting pics not just on Twitter, but on her blog.
Second, the shows are still on TLC and are now showing in various other countries around the world.
Her children's pictures and videos are available on the internet and on DVD.
AND most recently she is exploiting Mady and Cara on her upcoming cruise. She is promoting interaction with, and viewing of, her children LIVE on a cruise for money.
She's disgusting.
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Yes, she is disgusting, but so is going to her twitter feed daily to view the things that you call disgusting. What's the difference? Just how are you helping the Gosselin kids? Honestly, I don't think any of you really want to help the Gosselin kids. I think that your hatred of Kate Gosselin is what motivates you. I think that's wrong. It's just wrong.
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Marie, if that is how you feel about this blog, then why do you read here? It's pretty much the same as reading Kate's twitter feed.
There is nothing stopping family and friends from distributing a photo you mail them or email them either. That would be some sick family and friends, but that is apples and oranges. Safety and trust in family and friends versus exposing your children directly, you yourself, to STRANGERS. And if you realize you've got a problem, I think most people would take their Facebook down or at least stop posting pics there. Kate, knowing full well she has had all kinds of sickos viewing her kids including a pedophile under arrest, just keeps dishing out MORE.
Kate is not distributing photos to family and friends and then they got leaked out. She is exposing them to fans and strangers directly, period.
Facebook is not anonymous of you have a public page with your legal name and address on it.
If you have a pseudo-name and no personal info listed it's anonymous. Some have a private account for just the viewing by family and friends. That's different. It's not public.
And again, no one should include pics of children naked or half naked, or on potties, etc.
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This is just so dishonest of you. Do you honestly expect people to believe that you have an anonymous Facebook page where everybody on it has fake names and no one can access pictures that you post? Try being honest. If you have a Facebook page, you have it to connect with friends and family and post pictures and information, etc. And the fact is, once those pictures are posted, almost ANYBODY can get access to them once they are commented on by people on YOUR Facebook page. I really cannot stand dishonestly.
Marie, why would you assume you know what I do when I'm not blogging? I'm very proud of what I do and I do non-profit legal work as a career as a matter of fact that, wouldn't you know it, includes kids! Though that is none of your business.
Marie,
You did not originally write the children are no longer being filmed. You wrote, "Kate's children are off the air now, which is good."
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They are not off the air. So then it is NOT "good."
Kate is not distributing photos to family and friends and then they got leaked out. She is exposing them to fans and strangers directly, period.
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As are you by connecting to her Twitter feed and blog information.
Marie, this discussion is overall fine, but don't get personal. I.e. demanding to know what people do in their free time, calling people sick....or I will put a stop to it.
Marie,
I have my Facebook set to only Friends being able to comment and view my pics, etc. Friends of friends do not have access to my pics.
Even, if they did, they would not find pics of my children naked, or half naked, or on the potty or in a bath.
Oh! It's the old "when the kids get older, they'll find this blog and be soooooo hurt " argument again.
We've seen this one before. I'm ignoring.
You did not originally write the children are no longer being filmed. You wrote, "Kate's children are off the air now, which is good."
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They are not off the air. So then it is NOT "good."
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Playing games again. Trying being honest. You know what I meant. They are not being filmed. Which is good.
Kate is not distributing photos to family and friends and then they got leaked out. She is exposing them to fans and strangers directly, period.
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As are you by connecting to her Twitter feed and blog information.
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They are NOT my kids to exploit! Talking about exploitation does not make you an exploiter. You disagree with that fine, but stop saying that over and over and over.
I would never suggest someone who wants to talk about bad things that are happening is encouraging those bad things or a participant, that is over the top and illogical.
Ok Marie you're done.
It's so sad that we can't debate something for more than a few minutes before you can't handle it. It was going FINE for a time.
They are NOT my kids to exploit! Talking about exploitation does not make you an exploiter. You disagree with that fine, but stop saying that over and over and over.
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Did TLC exploit the Gosselin children?
Marie said...
It is sick that you cannot see the difference. If you believe that people who watch this "exploitation" are sick, then what do you call yourself? You are wathing what you call exploitation daily and exclaiming over it daily. It's sick that you do not see the hypocrisy.
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Marie, do you not see your own hypocrisy? You are here on a blog you seem to not agree with, arguing the rights of a mother that exploits her children.
Copying Facebook pictures is a real risk, BUT I think most mothers with an iota of common sense would not electronically share pics of their kids in various states of undress, on the toilet, getting showered, getting dressed, soiled up, down and sideways with feces and even completely naked.
Nodding your head in agreement? Good.
Now consider that the all of the aforementioned images involving the Gosselin children have been broadcast to millions. Every single one of them.
If you really want to have a bit of emesis in your mouth, consider that a man accused of multiple counts trafficking in pornographic child images worked for TLC, edited the footage of 15-20 or so Gosselin episodes and had unfettered access to unedited images.
Copying Facebook pictures is a real risk, BUT I think most mothers with an iota of common sense would not electronically share pics of their kids in various states of undress, on the toilet, getting showered, getting dressed, soiled up, down and sideways with feces and even completely naked.
Nodding your head in agreement? Good.
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Exactly. You could get the same pics from a JC Penney catalogue. That's the world we live in. But if you never show your kids naked, you never have to worry.
Marie M. said... 138
You did not originally write the children are no longer being filmed. You wrote, "Kate's children are off the air now, which is good."
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They are not off the air. So then it is NOT "good."
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Playing games again. Trying being honest. You know what I meant. They are not being filmed. Which is good.
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Playing games again??? I explained to you what I replied to when YOU switched it to the children no longer being filmed in your reply. Two different things.
Yes, it is good that they are no longer being filmed. However, they are STILL on TV, DVD, etc, and now a cruise, so they are STILL being exploited.
Marie, TLC wasn't TALKING about the fact that Kate is exploiting her kids when they exploited them, like we have talked about it for eyars. Yes, TLC exploited them and they WERE their kids to exploit. They owned them.
Did TLC exploit the Gosselin children?
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Yes, indefensibly so. Furthermore, they exploited Jon and Kate who were young, vulnerable and in many ways ignorant (not to be confused with stupid).
But, at some point, Kate stopped fighting the strong current of fame and began swimming with it, willingly, not caring where it would ultimately take her and what detritus would get washed up on the shores and becoming ever-shrinking specks on the horizon.
Aw Admin, Marie is done?
But she didn't get to explain her hypocrisy of reading a blog that she feels exploits the children, while she accuses people of exploitation by reading Kate's twitter that exploits the children... all the while crying exploitation.
SwingsandRoundabouts said... 61
We as a viewing public have lost our moral compass.
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Swings, I appreciate your views and feel the same as you do, with one exception.
Like you, I do not watch reality TV shows at all.
But I think your statement that "we as a viewing public" is a sweeping generalization that might offend me if I wasn't so confident in myself.
*I* have NOT lost my moral compass. I do not watch TV with the exception of The Closer and NCIS. Both shows are non-exploitive hours of mind-numbing escapism. What strikes me most about each one is the way Brenda Lee Johnson works so well with her team and her southern charm in interviewing, and how Jethro Gibbs maintains his Marine demeanor while solving crimes against the military. Tony, McGee and Ziva characters are fun to watch too.
Fantasy, make-believe, yes. Some plots are interesting, some I find not interesting at all. I confess to relaxing while watching these two shows - the good guys always win.
Perhaps if your statement had been "there are a lot of people who have lost their moral compass" or perhaps just "there are people who have lost their moral compass" I would have agreed with you without comment.
There are people who have NOT lost their moral compass and I believe we have to maintain our public position so folks don't think this whole country is going to hell in a handbasket. Many/some of us find the state of American television, and the entertainment industry, sadly lacking in integrity.
Generalizations usually can't hold water; someone always comes up with exceptions.
I agree with your intent, but the all-inclusive "we" can be argued a generalization.
Thanks Admin. I'm tired of Marie M.'s circle jerking here. Moving on.
SG, love NCIS too! There are some really good tv shows with such talent and writing. Thank goodness for my DVR!
Tucker's Mom,
Okay, I'm laughing over here. Did I mention NCIS? I've never watched it. I love Criminal Minds though! ;)
SG said... 151
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Oops! I meant Permanent Name. Sorry.
I don't follow twitter at all but I have a question.
From reading kart's twits at the top of this blog,, is she ever twitting anything of substance?
All I am seeing is:
1. Twit to say she will be twitting later.
2. Twit that she can't twit now because she is going to bed.
3. Re-twit of some praise someone has sent her.
4. Sad twit pics that seem to be in place of message twits.
How is this twitter account helping her at all???
I'm so confused by this. In my mind, it seems kart can't do anything well (and I mean ANYTHING) but she continues to twit like she's 'all that', as the kids would say.
Not only does she seem to have a crappy personality and NPD but she seems stupid as well.
If purseboy is really still around, why doesn't he help remake her to be more likeable? Are they both so skewed that they don't know how?
All of this is old stuff - I guess I continue to be amazed that she is still out there banging away like she's famous.
Tucker, me too on the watching dvr/tivo/on-demand thing.
I watch my two shows on the On-Demand feature with Comcast. Get to see them during the day while I get laundry done, instead of at night.
DVR, TIVO and on-demand are GREAT (say it like Tony the Tiger :-)...)
Hmmmm, answering my own question here...
Maybe the twitter thing lets her be *in control* - doesn't have to answer what she doesn't want to, doesn't have to actually be in physical contact with her icky fans and twitter allows her to be a fantasy person with a Martha Stewart image....... well, in her own mind, anyway.
Twitter allows her a safe remove from reality.
Have I got it right?
Oops, geez I forgot one other important purpose for kart's twitter:
5. GRIFTING
Please pardon my mental flakiness today. I didn't have any karty Keurig coffee.......
Talking good TV...I'v got a nomination. I am cleaning house for a multitude of guests this weekend. My laptop is "following" me around from room to room. I am watching DVD's of what I consider to be the best TV ever -- West Wing. Well written, humorous and thought provoking. TLC would never have produced such a quality program!
Exactly. If the sole purpose of the twins going is just to enjoy a wonderful cruise (which I happen to agree is fine) then we wouldn't even KNOW the twins are going. It would be kept a secret. It was not. It was used, from day freaking ONE, to entice people to sign up.
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What's really suspicious about that is that Kate wouldn't answer if the kids are going. However, on the Alice page, from the beginning it was "watch Kate and the kids play on the beach." Which kids? How many? Was it originally planned for her to take one or more of the kids along or was this just a hook?
When the agent started hawking this cruise more and more, and they found that they didn't have several hundred people sign up, then all of a sudden they reported that the twins would be going. I wonder if any of them would be going along if sales weren't down. I doubt it. They grasped at straws. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Kate wanted to drag all of them on the trip just to get bookings, but Jon put his foot down. The twins absolutely were used to entice bookings. It was so obvious since their appearance was announced so long after the cruise was set up.
Dmasy said... 157
Talking good TV...I'v got a nomination. I am cleaning house for a multitude of guests this weekend. My laptop is "following" me around from room to room. I am watching DVD's of what I consider to be the best TV ever -- West Wing. Well written, humorous and thought provoking. TLC would never have produced such a quality program!
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Oh, I agree! The West Wing is number 1 on my list, too!!
I believe people are born to be good parents and some are not.
I blame every adult involved.
I think TLC, the Duggars, and any parent exploiting their children for profit all SUCK-
and using a family tragedy for ratings is beyond inexcusable. Apparently & sadly, even religious people can be sold. I guess in the end, God really has nothing to do with it. It's all about the almighty dollar.
This topic infuriates me. Why the hell (how the hell) are the Duggars still on t.v.?
Another TLC/Discovery family name that will end up ruined.
Congratulations TLC/Discovery. Your social experiment on how low people can go for money & fame is almost complete.
DEVILS.
Tucker's Mom said... 143
If you really want to have a bit of emesis in your mouth, consider that a man accused of multiple counts trafficking in pornographic child images worked for TLC, edited the footage of 15-20 or so Gosselin episodes and had unfettered access to unedited images.
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Has anyone ever read or heard of a response from Kate about this? I can't find one anywhere on the internet.
But in November of last year, after the pedo was busted, she did say:
“From a mom aspect, I miss being able to show my kids the world and do all of those adventures and I think that I miss the most convenient job in the whole wide world – to get paid when someone’s coming in recording your home videos is still a dream come trueand it worked that way.”
And we're sick?
Maybe the twitter thing lets her be *in control* - doesn't have to answer what she doesn't want to, doesn't have to actually be in physical contact with her icky fans and twitter allows her to be a fantasy person with a Martha Stewart image....... well, in her own mind, anyway.
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I was thinking about this Twitter thing and why she continues this nonsense, posting pictures, announcing her bedtime and everything else under the sun. I think she's starved for adult conversation. Imagine yourself home alone day in and day out, with maybe only a housekeeper to talk to. She has no friends! She can't call up her neighbor, or another parent and say...let's do lunch. She thinks of something the kids have said or done, and her first thought is to share it with her tweeties. She's driving the kids to school, sees the moon, takes a photo, and sends it to her fans...because she has nobody else!
It must be a very sad existence - the only people with whom she can share these things are total internet strangers, many of whom aren't playing with a full deck.
Control and the need for adulation probably play a big part of it, but I really do think that she's a lonely person and needs someone. It's pathetic, but Tweeties are what she has.
Okay, well, my head officially hurts. Wow...yeah, not much I can say to all this "Marie M," issues.
Maybe it help me out if I quit reading from the bottom up because for a bit I thought you all were talking about me.
I'm of the opinion that Kate is getting bored with twitter. She originally got on last spring, nearly a year ago (April?). Her show was still going on at the time. It was probably suggested she do it because her solo and the kids show wasn't going well.
So she had a LOT to tweet/brag about. Remember the days when she tweeted literally hundreds of times a day? (Funny, I don't remember her bitching about Twitter locking her out then.)
Then the show was canceled (August? September?) and she used it to soak up alllllll the sympathy and milk those last episodes for all the attention she could get, lying about things we could see with our own eyes, etc.
Then she had "running" and the "marathon." Now she has......?
The cruise? But apparently ticket sales are bad.
Another "marathon?" She has been oddly silent on the matter. Nothing to crow about or even tease about, like she likes to do.
She's hitting a wall. She's got her weepy, pathetic half-show appearance on Dr. Drew next week, a cruise way off in hurricane-prone August and what else? Nothing.
And I think it's really hitting her. She's tapped Twitter for all she can, her fans aren't wealthy and able to go on cruises whenever they want and maybe even she realizes grifted Coffeemate won't pay the bills.
So Twitter provides a little narcissistic supply and that's it. She's neglecting her website, too (and you could argue its been half-neglected this whole time, since whole pages are still missing--I wonder if Lovable Products was supposed to be some sort of deal and it fell through?). I'm not even sure her CC blogs are worth mentioning.
Tamara said... 42
TLC didn't air the spanking and straight out physical abuse by Kate and Jon, and edited a lot of bitter arguing between the couple in front of the kids. I would not be remotely surprised to learn there is a lot to the Duggar's "parenting" methods we have never seen.
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This comment is weak at backing your point. It's strong for the Duggars point though. The external media caught many pictures of the Gosselin's bad, physical and verbal behavior. There is NOT ONE pictures of the Duggar's abusing their children. There are at least 4 or 5 older teens and over and there is not one strap of evidence of them doing drugs, partying, swearing, or treating people rude. Them being such a public family, to not have any evidence, especially with paparazzi and others itching to find anything dirty on them, is incredible to me. That says something for the parenting.
The only thing you can pull up on them is YOUR opposing gossip of what you think. It doesn't make it true. It would never hold water in court. The CPS would laugh in your face if you ever took it to them.
whatswonghere
Jane 159 - I bought the fancy boxed West Wing set. I started over with season 1. I am relishing all the memorable lines and looking forward to season 2. This show is as delicious as a calorie-ladden chocolate desert.
If lots of people live just like Kate, why are so few of them sympathetic to her?
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I don't think I said a lot of people LIVE like Kate, but that they seek the same goals (fame, fortune, expensive holidays, costly toys) and aspire to live like Kate and other 'celebrities'.
In answer to your question above: Because Kate is a giant, child abusing bitch? Oh, and extremely ungrateful.
Something to ponder...just read Jaycee Duggard's book. That "freak" showed her pictures of kids in various sexual positions, but that used ORDINARY INNOCENT pictures of kids and made them sexual...taped adult genetalia on them, put them in various sexual scenarios...
At what point do they get people to rabidly defend them?
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Children have many mandated advocates. Teachers, doctors, nurses and psychologists. If they are trained properly, they should be successful.
Criminal Minds is my all-time favorite!
They are building the pregnancy up like it will be a rocky road will she or won't this baby make it. Knowing full well the outcome of it. They are making this into a dramatic season following the saga of this baby--all while knowing the result.
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I agree that TLC is doing this but how do we know that the Duggar's knew they would play it out this way.
Besides, there is a reason they call it A TEASER, not an introduction.
whatswronghere
Anonymous said... 169
Something to ponder...just read Jaycee Duggard's book. That "freak" showed her pictures of kids in various sexual positions, but that used ORDINARY INNOCENT pictures of kids and made them sexual...taped adult genetalia on them, put them in various sexual scenarios...
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That is what Bill Blankenship did with the footage he got while editing the children for TLC shows. He didn't have contact with the children. He used the footage he had to make porn.
The law has firmly recognized they cannot be trusted to raise their kids as they see fit.
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This statement is not true. Expecially Pennsylvanian law.
Dmasy said... 167
Jane 159 - I bought the fancy boxed West Wing set. I started over with season 1. I am relishing all the memorable lines and looking forward to season 2. This show is as delicious as a calorie-ladden chocolate desert.
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I loved when Bravo was showing it daily - it was a little gift I looked forward to watching and savoring. I have a couple of the seasons on DVD but it was knowing the show would be on tv and that I could dvr it and watch whenever that made me smile. LOL - silly, I know. I'm hoping it returns now that we're gearing up for the election!
Have you read this - Mr. Sorkin Goes to Washington? I'm thinking about buying it:
http://www.amazon.com/Mr-Sorkin-Goes-Washington-Televisions/dp/0786424397/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329412687&sr=1-1
Dallas Lady said...
I've seen enough hours of footage to state plainly and with complete confidence that Kate Gosselin is neglectful and cruel, emotionally abusive and manipulative.
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Dallas Lady, I didn't copy the rest of your post but I agree with it all. The answer to anyone who doesn't believe that Kate abuses her children, and to those whom only believe that the filming was over the top after a while, and that otherwise Kate is a good mum.
I am halfway through Jaycees book and couldn't recommend it more.
Congratulations TLC/Discovery. Your social experiment on how low people can go for money & fame is almost complete.
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It's not only TLC. There are many channels doing ridiculous and/or disgusting reality shows.
NBC's Fear Factor for one. It was mentioned here that one of the challenges was to drink donkey seman and pee and someone did it!!!
The viewers are to be blamed as well. No ratings, no show. The masses have been programmed after 60 years of TV to expect to be entertained 24/7. Hence all the channels and all the crap on television.
Tucker's Mom said... 143
If you really want to have a bit of emesis in your mouth...
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Dear Lord, could you be any more pretentious? Between "emesis" and "esoterically pernicious," you have me rolling with laughter.
Tucker's mom called marie 'sick' 1st. Marie was only defending herself. I see her point plain as day. Can't you admit even a little that she MIGHT be right? Issues aren't always black and white.
I know that no mother is "perfect." I'm not, no one is.
I'm sure plenty of great moms have rolled their eyes or grumbled after their kids were fighting and they weren't in the mood to deal with it.
I'm sure plenty of great moms have thrown away some of their children's artwork once it's been forgotten, because we all know you can't save EVERYTHING.
I'm sure plenty of great moms have disciplined their children more harshly than they meant at the time. (I'm not referring to beatings or abusive behavior.)
I'm sure many great moms have taken pics of their children on the potty for the first time, or have video footage of their kids hitting each other, etc.
I'm sure plenty of great moms have divorce the father of their children for various reasons.
But how many children get to see all those personal moments shared on national TV or the internet? How many children get to have their friends see that? How about strangers? (Nationally and internationally now.)
It's not right and there is no justification for it.
Tamara and Dallas Lady - I agree. Anyone who doubts there was abuse toward those children needs a refresher course. Both Jody and Kevin's statements at the labor hearing were very revealing:
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/04/jodi-and-kevins-statements-at-labor.html
Thesaurus R Us said... 179
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Well, perhaps I should have written "puke-ishness" and "secretish".
Agreeance with me?
Impartial observer,
No, I cannot see Marie M. as being right at all. I don't think she had any valid points.
SG said... 173
Anonymous said... 169
Something to ponder...just read Jaycee Duggard's book. That "freak" showed her pictures of kids in various sexual positions, but that used ORDINARY INNOCENT pictures of kids and made them sexual...taped adult genetalia on them, put them in various sexual scenarios...
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That is what Bill Blankenship did with the footage he got while editing the children for TLC shows. He didn't have contact with the children. He used the footage he had to make porn.
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Do you have a link to support this statement? He was arrested for sexual exploitation of a minor, but is there evidence that the minors involved were from TLC shows?
Tucker's Mom said... 183
Thesaurus R Us said... 179
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Well, perhaps I should have written "puke-ishness" and "secretish".
Agreeance with me?
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Right, because there's no happy medium between sounding ignorant and coming across as a pretentious fool. If your vocabulary choices make you feel so superior, enjoy. I will continue to enjoy laughing. It's the proverbial win-win.
This comment is weak at backing your point. It's strong for the Duggars point though. The external media caught many pictures of the Gosselin's bad, physical and verbal behavior. There is NOT ONE pictures of the Duggar's abusing their children. There are at least 4 or 5 older teens and over and there is not one strap of evidence of them doing drugs, partying, swearing, or treating people rude. Them being such a public family, to not have any evidence, especially with paparazzi and others itching to find anything dirty on them, is incredible to me. That says something for the parenting.
The only thing you can pull up on them is YOUR opposing gossip of what you think. It doesn't make it true. It would never hold water in court. The CPS would laugh in your face if you ever took it to them.
whatswonghere
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Who said anything about going to CPS or court? I sure didn't. As for a lack of paparazzi pics, I don't think I've ever seen a Duggar based paparazzi pic, and even if I did, they aren't proof of anything either. As for "drugs, partying, swearing, treating people rude", those are in no way the only signs of parental abuse. I know lots of people who've done all 3 of those things and have never been abused, just I know people whom have never done any of them and have been abused. Your comment is weak on backing your point. Whether that point is that the Duggars are great parents or just that you don't like my opinion.
One difference between posting a picture on facebook for your family and friends (perhaps it may get shared around) and Kate posting pictures of her children on her twitter and her blog is that facebook family photos are for sharing. Kate's photos are used by herself to promote herself, her (lacking) parenting skills and make money (grift gifts) from. She is despicable. She doesn't have anything else in her life to do but try to sell an 'idea' of herself. (one that she's imagined)
It's sad and quite pathetic to watch this downfall. She should go back to school or get a job in nursing. Everything else she does just looks tediously desperate.
Do you have a link to support this statement? He was arrested for sexual exploitation of a minor, but is there evidence that the minors involved were from TLC shows?
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This is what I found:
William Johnson Blankinship of Wake County. Arrested on Oct. 21 and charged with 10 counts of second degree distribution of child pornography
Link:
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/wake-county/2011/oct/27/operation-spyglass-results-24-child-exploitation-a-ar-1545576/
impartial observer said... 180
Tucker's mom called marie 'sick' 1st. Marie was only defending herself. I see her point plain as day.
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Yeah, that's impartial alright.
Tucker's Mom said... 189
Do you have a link to support this statement? He was arrested for sexual exploitation of a minor, but is there evidence that the minors involved were from TLC shows?
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This is what I found:
William Johnson Blankinship of Wake County. Arrested on Oct. 21 and charged with 10 counts of second degree distribution of child pornography
Link:
http://www2.nbc17.com/news/wake-county/2011/oct/27/operation-spyglass-results-24-child-exploitation-a-ar-1545576/
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Thanks, but that doesn't say anything about the images involving TLC children, which is what the OP stated.
Thesaurus R Us said... 186
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My retort was a tongue in cheek joke and meant to be taken lightly. Take your ad hominem attacks elsewhere you troll.
Source Please said... 185
SG said... 173
Anonymous said... 169
Something to ponder...just read Jaycee Duggard's book. That "freak" showed her pictures of kids in various sexual positions, but that used ORDINARY INNOCENT pictures of kids and made them sexual...taped adult genetalia on them, put them in various sexual scenarios...
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That is what Bill Blankenship did with the footage he got while editing the children for TLC shows. He didn't have contact with the children. He used the footage he had to make porn.
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Do you have a link to support this statement? He was arrested for sexual exploitation of a minor, but is there evidence that the minors involved were from TLC shows?
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Actually it was TEN counts of sexual exploitation of a minor. And police found more than 200 files.
But you are correct that that it does not state that he used "TLC footage." And hopefully he didn't. We do know though that he had access to TLC footage of children naked and half-naked.
I didn't specifically say the G kids were definitely in that footage, and I really hope they weren't.
Regardless, all those children filmed by TLC were filmed naked, and half naked, and that footage was GIVEN to a pedophile.
RALEIGH, N.C. — A Raleigh man was arrested Friday in a state investigation of child pornography, according to court records.
William Blankenship, 56, of 1909 McDonald Lane, was charged with 10 counts of second-degree sexual exploitation of a minor. He was released after posting a $20,000 bond.
The State Bureau of Investigation received a tip in August about child pornography and found that a computer used to download images since March was connected to an account at 1909 McDonald Lane, according to a search warrant.
Two computers and three hard drives were seized in a search of the home, and SBI agents found more than 200 files depicting suspected child exploitation and abuse that were available for distribution, according to a search warrant.
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/10292857/
56-year-old William Blankinship, a TV editor who worked on TLC's Jon and Kate Plus 8 and other family-oriented reality shows, was arrested Oct. 21 on child porn-related charges, documents obtained by RadarOnline confirm.
Blankinship has been charged with 10 counts of sex exploit of a minor, meaning he possessed photos and/or video of a minor engaged in sexual activity. A subcontractor for Figure 8 Films, Blankenship edited such TLC shows as the Gosselin-family smash Jon and Kate Plus 8, its spinoff Kate Plus 8, 17 Kids and Counting and Table for 12.
No bond has been set for the accused man; he is likely "under the authority of the U.S. Marshals" until trial, a spokesperson for the Federal Bureau of Prisons told Radar.
"Bill Blankinship was employed by Serious Robots, with whom Figure 8 Films subcontract for editing services. Upon learning of the shocking allegations his employment was terminated," Figure 8 films said in a statement.
He was never in contact with the famous eight Gosselin kids or any other of TLC's stars, the statement added. "At no time was this man ever in the field or in direct contact with any of the talent for any of our productions."
Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/jon-and-kate-plus-8-editor-arrested-for-child-porn-20112910#ixzz1mZHkawS4
Drama Reject said... 17
If you accidently leave your credit card (or password) in a public place it does NOT allow anyone to steal it.
Justifying this sort of theft is reprehensible.
The Duggars? They are creepy to me and the extent to which they isolate their children is horrible.
I'm not surprised they chose to expolit a miscarriage for ratings.
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So agree w/ you. The father looks like he didn't quite complete the evolution process. He totally creeps me out.
If there's one thing I cannot stand, it is grown women who talk like children. Michelle Duggar is equally creepy to me with her saccharine sweet baby voice--just in a different way.
And make no mistake, all these children are a BUSINESS.
Thanks, but that doesn't say anything about the images involving TLC children, which is what the OP stated.
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I have not seen anything to indicate that any TLC minors were involved. I know that Jon issued a statement that he would be working with the authorities to investigate whether an images of his children were involved.
Kate simply stated that she didn't know who he was, but I believe Jon said that at least he did meet Blankenship during one of their trips to NC.
Source please said...
Thanks, but that doesn't say anything about the images involving TLC children, which is what the OP stated.
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What does OP stand for?
What does OP stand for?
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Original Poster.
Thesaurus R Us said... 186
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My retort was a tongue in cheek joke and meant to be taken lightly. Take your ad hominem attacks elsewhere you troll.
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Tsk Tsk . . . Name calling
I love how Figure 8 said, "He was never in contact with the famous eight Gosselin kids or any other of TLC's stars, the statement added. "At no time was this man ever in the field or in direct contact with any of the talent for any of our productions."
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So he was never in direct "contact" with the children ("talent"), however, he was given unedited footage of them.
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