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| Melissa, Maddie (left) and Mackenzie |
@Jxxxx um dance.. Yes. Um those horrible Dance moms? never ever ever!
Turns out who should see this tweet but Melissa Ziegler, devoted mommy of dancers Mackenzie, and Maddie, who is usually at the top of the (fake) pyramid. Oh, and, oops! Melissa is from Kate's area and was a big fan who used to defend Kate. That is until Kate picked a fight. Today Melissa tweeted the following back to Kate:
Dancemom1313 I heard you were bad mouthing our show "dance moms". I have always supported you and ur show! U should understand reality tv! I grew up in New Holland, PA so that's why I watched your show then I feel in love with your kids. I am not a bad Mom
Baw-ha-ha! Oh, we just love it when child exploiters fight amongst themselves. It's our turn to say you go, girl. You go, Melissa. Call this fool out.
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Mel said... 197
Maybe the flowers were from Jon? :-)
March 7, 2012 1:56 PM
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OMG hilarious..lolololololol
anybody in PA hear an explosion? lol, that woman is going to be PISSED.lololol
She better keep her twitter mouth shut, she's exploited these kids since before birth.
I bet her twitter fans have a field day crucifying him.wow,what a double standard.
Just a litte FYI. I was just on Gina Neild's facebook and saw that she was invited to a cocktail party for some sort of fundraiser and she says she won't be able to attend because her and Steve will be in D.C. that night for some sort of show. This party is on March 25th. She responded to the invite on Feb. 25th. So all this talk about Kate and Steve is possibly just that,lots of talk.
Maybe Gina just has custody of Steve that weekend.
OMG Auntie Ann that is so damn funny.
going anon for this:
I put my pots and pans in the dishwasher too.
**ducking and waiting for the stones**
terri - did it make you 'smile extra much'?
;o)
I worry that Jon will make an ass of himself as he has in the past. He's easily influenced and he's impulsive.
Let's hope Jon has an interest in something like sports, and wants to be a local broadcaster or something. If he is looking for a bigger pay cheque, he knows where to find it, back in the spotlight of course.
The concern is he will take gigs that could compromise what little integrity he managed salvage in his private life. The instability of one parent focused on fame is enough for those kids, Perhaps mediocre isn't all it's cracked up to be for Jon.
I just hope Jon has matured and remains the stable parent, in our out of the spotlight. One crazy parent is enough.
Yeah, that notification reads like Jon will be in contact with celebrities, not that he's trying to be one. Well, he knows one really, really well, doesn't he? Any bets on how long it will take Kate to tweet, call or meet with Jon and begin the
sweetly desperate chat about some idea she has?
Steve and Gina are still together? I never would have thought it.
fidosmommy said... 9
Yeah, that notification reads like Jon will be in contact with celebrities, not that he's trying to be one.
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No, when you are being "represented" by a management firm that "specializes in marketing and managing notable performers and personalities in entertainment, sports, media and the arts" you are trying to be in the public eye.
I hope Kate has lots of wine in the basement, it's going to be a long night for her. Geez, wonder if she will blast the kids about their wonderful father.
ouch.
well, if he does start earning some bucks, she will have him back in court for more child support before he can get his paycheck to the bank...
on the other hand, perhaps more money in his pocket means better attys and possible custody issues.
This is better than a movie. Spring break or not!
terri - just in case you didn't read it, I was referencing Kate's stupid blog entry:
"Here’s hoping it’s a harmonious day at your house too… These are the days that being a mom makes my heart smile extra much!"
(oy. she calls herself a writer)
I did read it Auntie Ann. I understood exactly what you were referencing and did get it a chuckle out of it. She really doesn't seem to understand that if she wants to be taken seriously in the entertainment industry she needs to stop with the immature antics of hers.It's not cute and is actually bordering on insanity.
Is there a problem with Jon wanting to pursue public opportunities as long as he does this without benefit of using the kids? Working people, public and private, sometimes take sabbaticals to review, recharge, and refocus their lives. A wait and see approach might be best at this time.
I can't be mad at Jon for seeking all sources of income as long as he doesn't use or invoke the kids. You would have to be mad at every parent out there who ever made a living using their image. Kate is the one bleeding him dry for support and not happy with his mediocre jobs, she's got him over a barrel.
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Exactly.
I also put pots and pans in the dishwasher, forgive me. And now I am going to help my daughter, who has 2 small chidren, out by unloading hers. I will spare you the pictures.
Gina Neild, hmmm. Guess Skeve might just be K8's employee after all, Giba's life sounds pretty normal.
Still no picnic or off kompound actvities besides doctor appt in PA? Witch.
I, for one, was glad that Pink pointed me to the video. I have heard of Kory but this video put a face to the news stories. We go off topic on here often; a few months ago we were exchanging recipes, so what? We're not OT for long because The Queen Of The White Plastic Lawn Chair can't go one day without doing something cruel, stupid or both.
I hope Jon far outshines Kate. I was never in the camp that was glad he went 'private' and then belly ached if made a statement or if a 'source close to Jon/family' leaked a story to the press. He has just as much right as Kate to sell his persona. He is the parent of multiples, too, Kate- you didn't do it alone. Plus, I find him far more palatable than Kate, he doesn't make up words and his sentences are more cohesive. Go Jon!!
There's a poster here who does speaking engagements. If I'm mad at Jon I'm mad at her. That's silly, lots of careers are public. Most, the vast majority do not exploit their kids.
Kate has demanded so much of him, maybe if he actually gets a high paying gig se will finally have to stfu.
terri - I agree. Her chances of being taken seriously in the industry are about zilch right now. She blew it.
We had a woman in town here who had a really horrible cooking show on a local cable station. She made absolutely the worst dishes like cream of mushroom soup with ground pork on rice and called it her version of stroganoff. Then she'd look into the camera and say things like 'see, my boyfriend says I can't cook and look at me. I have my very OWN cooking show!"
She did stuff like that all the time and my husband and I used to full out howl laughing when she came on. Unfortunately it only lasted a little while and they took it off the air.
Anyway, that was quite a few years ago but I still think of her whenever I see Kate on tv.
I must agree, Admin, Kate does have Jon over a barrel re: child support. He probably does need money. After she gets her cut of his wages, it's possible that he doesn't have much leftover. You know how those (mediocre) jobs pay these days, right? Although Jon has some kind of computer certificate, he has no college degree. Too bad he quit his "day job" to become that stay at home dad Kate insisted he become when she went on the book tour with her male friend. This is such a sad story, really.
oops pulled a Kate...should have said howl with laughter. Instant karma.
Wouldn't it be funny if Jon actually got some gigs? Would Kate then think he wasn't mediocre because he was back on TV.......you know, where she feels most comfortable? She's reminded everyone a billion jillion times that it's her JOB, after all.
Good for Jon I hope he makes it in what ever he has planned to support himself and the 8.
EM I think it was you that mentioned a time when Kate left Mady rolling around with a member of the crew. What episode was it in?
Wondering about sending a letter to Zane Management to make sure they give Jon excellent training in public speaking and how to come off sincere, intelligent, being a great dad, and not bashing anyone. It's time to hear from Jon but I also want him to stay classy and my hope is the public will like him way better than Khate!
The hypocrisy on display here is too much. What, exactly, is Jon's "talent?" He is famous for having lots of kids, nothing more. If it is okay for him to exploit that, then why all the hand-wringing over Kate doing the same?
Anonymous, is Jon selling the kids?
Did he say, "Come see me play on the beach with my kids?"
Is he tweeting pictures of his kids?
Is he trying to make one of his kids a Disney Star?
As long as Jon has matured enough to not be the frat boy douchebag he was right before and after the divorce, keeps his children out of the spotlight and discussion, and doesn't throw Kate under the bus, then I wish him all the media success in the world.
And thereth ends my run on sentence.
Stupid is said... 28
Anonymous, is Jon selling the kids?
Did he say, "Come see me play on the beach with my kids?"
Is he tweeting pictures of his kids?
Is he trying to make one of his kids a Disney Star?
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We'll find out if he books any media appearances, won't we? What exactly does he have to "sell" other than his kids? Again, what is his talent or skill?
It's a double standard, plain and simple.
Stupid is said... 28
Anonymous, is Jon selling the kids?
Did he say, "Come see me play on the beach with my kids?"
Is he tweeting pictures of his kids?
Is he trying to make one of his kids a Disney Star?
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Also
Does he have a website with the 8 on it.?
Is he going on a cruise using the twins.?
Does he post twitter pics of the kids all the time.?
Jon has a thousand percent more personality than Kate. If he has some good reps he can have a good job with the public. He is a very likeable guy. Never heard stories of him being rude to local people, store owners, etc. He and Ellen split on good terms. Sounds like he has a varied group of friends that support him with friendship. That is a big something that Kate does not have. Jon will not try to make a buck via his kids, Kate on the other hand, was trying to use the twins as bait for the cruise. Looks like that was put to an end thanks to people writing to the cruise line and the Trade Association for Travel Agents. No word yet on what Kate's charity of choice is or what her "humanitarian effort" to Haiti will be. I know - that is a joke.
Just a long time lurker, first time poster, saying you ladies are great!
I too wish Jon the best, even if it means Khate will take half his pay.
From what we have seen, even broke, he spent quality time with the children. I only hope he doesnt get lost again.
Rock on Admin and crew!
Anastasia
Name one thing Kate has done that didn't invoke the kids. Nothing. She is incapable. If she can find something without invoking the kids by all means!
Evidentally Zane Management feels Jon is capable of doing something. I guess we'll find out what soon enough.
Kate's been give many opportunities to prove herself. If she's failed that's on her.
He can "sell" whatever they want him too. People LIKE him. He's LIKABLE. Therefore, a good spokesperson.
For instance, Ellen DeGeneres is likable. That's why she's doing ads for JCPenney, Cover Girl, etc.
Jon is also LIKABLE.
Kate is NOT likable and her "brand" can't sell squat.
No double standard as long as he doesn't USE the kids to further himself.
TLC stinks said... 125
I'm not clear as to whether Steve was with Kate at the Sirrus radio station...were you guys assuming or was he really there? I did see the photos and her boobs are ginormous. She sure loves to pose to the side so she looks slimmer.
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Yes, one of the questions that the hosts read was about Steve and before Kate answered the question the hosts said that Steve was sitting in the studio with them.
Jon was once offered a Superbowl commercial which is way more than Kate ever bagged. Apparently he was good enough for that.
If Jon can make some serious money with whatever "gigs" they might find for him, whyever not? I think it's pretty clear that between the divorce and the child support (remember the $22K per month?), he didn't walk away with very much when they split. Whatever he might have had left after the papers were signed went to her for support. I also think that the ONLY reason she wanted physical custody of the kids (AND the house, aka, "the set"!) was so that she could film them with little restriction. Since at the time this all went down, TLC was in her corner and suing Jon, no doubt she fancied herself in the catbird seat.
Flash forward two years. Kate has been CANCELLED for going on seven, count 'em, SEVEN (wonderful!) months. She has no job prospects in sight (or none that we can discern, at any rate). While she probably ended up with almost every penny of equity in that house (whether through the divorce decree or the later outrageous support payments), she is now saddled with all of the upkeep, taxes, mortgage, etc. That has to be a big number. Moreover, she does not like being a stay-at-home mom (despite her nearly daily protestations to the contrary), and she has admitted as much when she talks about her "ideal" career taking her away every other week. Pretty soon, money for all of the household help she currently enjoys is going to get tight, further constricting her ability to travel, whether for a more "mediocre" job than her last one or purely for pleasure (running?). But it is really she, and she alone, who put herself into this position. She thought TV was going to want her as long as she wanted TV, and that, clearly, was a very stupid gamble for her to make.
I would think she'd welcome the prospect of Jon earning more money, as without it, she is probably going to have to downsize OR dip a lot further into her PERSONAL nest egg (which I'm sure is quite substantial) in order to support her kids in the style to which she has accustomed them. Sure, I can see her going postal when she hears the news of Jon's new management deal. But if she takes a step back and really thinks about it, and IF she's even mildly smart, she'll realize that him seeking out these sorts of opportunities not only does no harm to her (after all, if they're not using the kids, they wouldn't be seen as competitive), it will help her to sustain the lifestyle she so desperately wants to maintain. Saving money and saving face, these are the top priorities in Katie's life, no matter how much Belgian-waffle-mommy-love BS she throws around day to day.
We'll find out if he books any media appearances, won't we? What exactly does he have to "sell" other than his kids? Again, what is his talent or skill?
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I don't know, but I'd bet the farm and the livestock that he's not going to be selling the kids, which is more than we can say about the other parent.
Jon is an adult. He does not need the publics approval, his ex-wife's agreeance in whatever route he choses to take in his life.
If the sheeple are upset, I'm sorry I nor Jon graze in your pasture. If the grass if free, let everyone partake of the good things in life, not the weeds.
If it makes him happy, if it makes him more money, than he should do what makes him feel good and maybe makes hima ble to set aside some extra income, we all do it in one way or another.
Now, I really hate to sound like I know nothing but can someone explain what a cartilage suplement is? To me it sounds like something an elderly person would take, no offense to you elder ladies here, but I don't see why a 36 year old would need to take it. Heck, it could be because she "runs" all the time and generally running wears on your needs I understand.
Maybe that's another reason she's tiered. She ever stop to think that cramming her body full of suplements instead of actual nutrients would make her quote unquote exhausted? I don't see reason to take suplements for this or that but if all you're going to eat is salad...
One more thing. I just spent the better part of my day cleaning my little house in detail, got laundry going, watered and groomed my little plant. Got me thinking, most people clean house at one time or another. I have never heard Kate ever mention she has cleaned house. (I know, I know, now that I said it, I expect to see something mentioned in Twitter at some point over spring break she cleaned).
In all the shows, few I watched I never saw her clean house. She always had helpers. With no job, no real income...why is the only thing she moans about in laundry?
Some question the amount of time Kate spends w/ kids vs. Jon. Bashing Jon for only spending 4 days a month w/ kids. I bet when Jon is with kids, he is 100% invested in the kids, playing, activities, family time. Don't think Jon spends a rare family night tweeting 100+ tweets in one afternoon/evening when the kids are present. In an average week of school, 168 hours in a week, kids in school and asleep 115 hrs per week. Leaves 53 hrs per week, of which Kate tweets 12 hours (at least). Leaves 41 hours a week. If Jon has kids for one weekend = 48 hrs for Jon. Does not take into account the time Kate "travels" when it is her custody time. If Kate was not a disfunctional co-parent, there could be a "family dinner" one night a week where Jon is there to help with homework, bed time. How about Jon spends a night in the summer swimming with the kids and having a burger on the grill. What is so hard about putting your kids first once in a while? But Kate doesn't even allow him in the driveway. Kate is just a mental case.
Ooh, someone just asked the $64,000 question (which will go unanswered, I assume):
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@Kateplusmy8 heey can I get a RT i am new to twitter! and what happened to twist of kate??
Let's face it. Kate's only talent is grifting. Period.
Good for Jon! He was married to that controlling witch until she and TLC kicked him to the curb to make her a "star" which was an epic fail because the world got to see what a despicable person she really is. He did make some bad decisions after the divorce, but realized that. I also think he was given some bad advice from his so-called "friends" at that time. I think he is doing it right this time by hiring a management team to guide him regarding any offers he has or will receive. He won't be using the kids to get anything. He needs to be given a chance.
Marie said... 41
Jon is an adult. He does not need the publics approval, his ex-wife's agreeance in whatever route he choses to take in his life.
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Funny how that same rule doesn't apply to Kate. And therein lies the double standard.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 34
Name one thing Kate has done that didn't invoke the kids. Nothing. She is incapable. If she can find something without invoking the kids by all means!
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Let's see...DWTS? Oh wait, she blew kisses to her children. OMG! EXPLOITATION!
I am happy to see Jon going after all opportunities that are present to him. He has done a great job of keeping the kids and Kate off his twitter account. He has also done it in interviews. There was one interview for intouch last year where he said that he has moved on from Kate. He did not say horrible things about her. He simply said that the show was her life. He stopped watching it once he left.
I hope that he is able to buy a modest size home for his children with a nice backyard. If he is able to find more ways to earn money then I say good for him. I just hope he keeps his day job.
Anonymous 27..."What, exactly, is Jon's "talent?" He is famous for having lots of kids, nothing more. If it is okay for him to exploit that, then why all the hand-wringing over Kate doing the same?"
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Jon is well-known because he had a reality show. So he should never be able to do anything in the media because of this? He should stick his head in the sand for the rest of his life because he is known as having once being a "star?"
"anybody in PA hear an explosion? lol, that woman is going to be PISSED.lololol
She better keep her twitter mouth shut, she's exploited these kids since before birth."
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Is that what that was? I was just checking the news for a report of a gas leak!
I don't understand the flower tweet. "Thank you for making me smile." Does she know who sent them, and is making a public thank you? Or is she thanking an anonymous person because she believes they might have come from one of her tweeties? What's the reason for the picture?
Hey Anonymous, why don't you go back to Sage's blog?
Oh wait ... Why don't you go back to the blog with all the imperfect people. I'm sure they will welcome you, and your IP, with open arms.
Anonymous, Kate did not just blow them a kiss, gimme a break.
She talked about the kids at every turn, on both the show and in interviews, constantly said this is for them, even yanked them out of school to come out and see her in L.A., used them for sympathy to get votes, even BLAMED them for being voted off saying she didn't practice because they were visiting. The kids were invoked at every turn. Oh and for good measure she talked about her private custody battle and threw Jon under the bus a few times blaming him for her distractions.
Many of us even said at the time let her do DWTS AS LONG AS SHE SHUTS UP ABOUT THE KIDS. You can go back and read the comments if you'd like, I can't do it for you.
I don't prefer Jon be in the public eye however I also don't have a bark raving mad ex demanding child support and calling a nice normal job mediocre and throwing me under the bus at every turn. He has been able to resurface so far WITHOUT USING THE KIDS. He even flat out said kids are off limits, don't ask. Kate is incapable, period. If she can demonstrate doing a job, any job, without exploiting her kids, without mentioning her kids, I say, have at it. She has not. No double standard here.
What Kate doesn't seem to realize is that hundreds of people go out there and do public jobs--politicians, actors, public speakers, tv personalities, without invoking their kids. Ever. And to make matters worse she is not talking about anonymous children but very famous children we know way too much about.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 34
Name one thing Kate has done that didn't invoke the kids. Nothing. She is incapable. If she can find something without invoking the kids by all means!
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What a travesty. She can't do anything without the kids, and yet she doesn't even like them that much and tries to get away from them whenever possible. Kids are very intuitive. How awful for them to know this about their mom..
As for Steve, Gina, and Kate... Well, there are, sadly, many women who endure their husbands' philandering in order to maintain the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. So very sad.
Remember that a Detroit DJ with no vested interest in either Kate or Steve saw them holding hands a few years ago, and when TLC threw Kate under the bus last summer, they threw him under, too. Remember Ashley's (or maybe Jamie's) words: "It's always about Steve."
Maybe she posted that picture of the flowers to make Steve jealous. Ha!
Jon could speak about the lure of reality tv an how to protect yourself so what happened to him doesn'dt happen to others. He coul explain how reality tv changed his life, how he lost control over himself an his family. How he could not get out of the contract, how he was stopped from making money endorsing other products.
He could talk about raising a large family in the public eye as long as he doesn't share personal info on the kids. He could share how he went back to a normal life after being on a hit show. He could dicuss how the media backlash affected him, how he overcame his depression from being a national joke.
He could explain how TLC sold him out to save kate's brand. He could educated others on how signing a contract without an attorney can have terrible consequences. He could bring the truth to light on why he really wanted off the show.
I dont know..I think Jon, if he chooses his words carefully, could share his story and it would be an interesting one to hear. He may not have a "talent" per say but many reality stars DONT. It doesn't bug me so much that kate is talentless, it bugs me that she thinks she does. And on top of that, that she thinks she is THE BEST.
I would much rather see Jon on Dr. Drew Lifechangers actually discussing the changes in his life, as opposed to kate using the time slot to boohoo about not being on tv anymore.
For now. I support Jon. If he starts selling out his kids I will change my stance. So far though, he has put it out there that the kids are off limits. Time will tell
Let's see...DWTS? Oh wait, she blew kisses to her children. OMG! EXPLOITATION!
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And she blew that opportunity, didn't she? The ONLY thing that ever worked was the show - featuring the CHILDREN!
Her first book did well, but she didn't write it, so she can't take credit for it. She lost a clothing line, a cookbook, and probably many other things because of her wretched, selfish, nasty, thoughtless personality.
what a messy post. Sorry, cat was on my keyboard AGAIN
Anom....did you notice that on DWTS Kate couldn't dance...she had to throw kisses or we would forget who got her there...as we laughed our as*** off.
This lady (radiogrl43, a PA radio host in Kate's neighborhood) has been tweeting and e-mailing Kate on the regular for a couple of months, trying to get her to agree become involved with/run in (?) a charity run that she is arranging. After Kate turned up on Sirius last week, radiogrl tweeted something to the effect that she would love to have Kate on her show.
Alas, tonight:
radiogrl43
@Kateplusmy8 @mamaholland thinking my dream has been broken.
Thinking that your proposition must have gotten lost in that "pile of offers" Kate is sifting through. Wonder if Kate even bothered to get back to her.
One thing Jon is an expert on, and that is the dangers of reality TV. If that's the road he chooses to take, then I wish him luck. If he can save one child from being exploited, one family from being destroyed, then more power to him. In the meantime, I'll reserve judgment. Merely signing with a management team is neither exploitive nor criminal.
Jon had earned my benefit of the doubt. Kate blew hers. He has stuck to his word to get these kids off tv and he succeeded. He stuck to his word to keep them off his twitter and he has. If sheep wish to call this a "double standard" then fine. Kate blew her chances to earn the same kind of leeway Jon gets from some of us.
I wonder if kate is OBSESSING over finding shamrocks for St. Patricks Day. Will she serve green eggs and ham? Stay tuned to next weeks episode of kate plus twitter plus 8!!!!
It's not like we'd give him a pass if he DID go back to exploiting the kids. If he did, we'd be right back on his case.
I wonder if Kate's going to lose her s--t even more if Jon gets back in the media.
Her twitter followers beware.
This management company signed Jon for a reason, and whatever that reason is will play out over time. Jon's job is to choose carefully, leave his kids out of the equation, and above all, show maturity for the sake of his children.
Kate is at home with few prospects for a reason. She is vacant, shallow, mean-spired and phony. The entertainment industry has her number, and everyone knows it, except Kate.
Kate has had her chance to show us, to prove her detractors wrong. We are witnessing the results of Kate abilities without TLC guiding her, and it ain't pretty.
I wish Jon the best, now he has his chance to walk the walk. Fear not Anonymous, Jon won't get a free ride here, exploitation of one's children is an equal-opportunity offense. My guess is that if Jon falls flat, his kids will not
be any part of that failure. Time will tell.
I wish Jon the best, now he has his chance to walk the walk. Fear not Anonymous, Jon won't get a free ride here, exploitation of one's children is an equal-opportunity offense. My guess is that if Jon falls flat, his kids will not
be any part of that failure. Time will tell.
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Exactly. He is not St. Jon here or his picture wouldn't still be staring back at us every day on that banner.
I never did take his picture down. I like the accountability of it.
It's not like we'd give him a pass if he DID go back to exploiting the kids. If he did, we'd be right back on his case.
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There was outrage when he signed off on Kate Plus 8 because he thought it wouldn't be as bad as the other show and the kids wouldn't work as much. Absolute outrage.
The people here hold his feet to the fire. But there is no reason to burn someone's feet unless they've earned such a harsh lashing. He hasn't, for simply signing up with an agency?? For pity sake they might not even be able to get him a job. Time will tell.
We've ALWAYS said if Kate can find a way to make money and NOT exploit her kids, then that's fine.
I say the same thing about Jon. ANYONE is free to make money, forge a career. What I disagree with is using children to make money on their backs.
Period.
Good luck, Jon. Stay true to your kids and show us all what you're made of. I think you're going to do well.
I'm certainly not going hold anything against him now without just cause. If anything those kids worked harder for Kate Plus 8 than before. She and TLC dragged those kids all over the map even more than before. She went wild in his absence.
Mandy said... 54
Let's see...DWTS? Oh wait, she blew kisses to her children. OMG! EXPLOITATION!
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And she blew that opportunity, didn't she? The ONLY thing that ever worked was the show - featuring the CHILDREN!
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What opportunity did she blow? She made a ton of $. I don't think she aspired to a dance career, so the fact that she sucked really didn't matter.
You do realize that you get paid a bonus for each episode you stay on for right? So if Kate actually TRIED she might have stayed on longer and made more money.
I assume by "blew" they also mean that Kate was not able to translate this one Hollywood gig into something else in Hollywood. She's back at the orphanage doing nothing. Nothing came of it.
Anonymous: Funny how that same rule doesn't apply to Kate. And therein lies the double standard.
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Speaking of rules, you do realize that if posting rule #1, Do Not Use Anonymous, were enforced, your posts wouldn't show up?
Kate also blew the opportunity to endear herself to DWTS viewers who didn't know much about her. Instead she was obnoxious and whiny and not only turned off the general public but many of her past viewers.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 70
You do realize that you get paid a bonus for each episode you stay on for right? So if Kate actually TRIED she might have stayed on longer and made more money.
I assume by "blew" they also mean that Kate was not able to translate this one Hollywood gig into something else in Hollywood. She's back at the orphanage doing nothing. Nothing came of it.
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I don't think that the vast majority of DWTS cast members translate the gig into some grand Hollywood opportunity. Did they all "blow it" too?
Kate can't dance, so I'm not sure trying harder would have made her last any longer. If making 200K plus for a few weeks work is the definition of "blowing it," sign me up and I'll be crying "I blew it" all the way to the bank.
The vast majority of other DWTS people have something else going for them besides eight kids.
Gosh you sheeple are hopeless.
Yes as far as her personality she had an opportunity to endear herself to the general public, those that never saw her show. Boy did she ever blow that. No one likes a quitter on the second episode.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 75
The vast majority of other DWTS people have something else going for them besides eight kids.
Gosh you sheeple are hopeless.
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The vast majority of DWTS contestants are D list celebrities just like Kate or has-beens. Still waiting...Which ones have translated their DWTS gig into something else?
Maybe Kate's talent is blowing every opportunity she has since she's so good at it.
Anonymous, some of those dancers don't need to translate into anything because they already have careers, particularly in sports: Apollo Anton Ohno (local hero and medalist many times), Hope Solo (Olympic contender), Chad Ochocinco (NFL) and no doubt others I'm missing. Florence Henderson is a senior citizen as is Buzz Aldrin.
I don't know if Rickie Lake got her talk show because of DWTS/doubt it, but she certainly changed people's minds about her. She was wonderfully gracious and worked her ass off.
I'd never heard of JR Martinez before, but he, too, made a fantastic impression on viewers. He's got speaking gigs. He's loved. Not sure that was the case before.
With the right training, Jon could make something of this. As has already been said, he's much more likable than Kate. Maybe he'll be so successful Julie May Carson will take him on and drop Kate. LOL
Hey anonymous, this blog isn't about every other D lister in the world. It's about that child-exploiting loser asshole Kate Gosselin. If you're going to be a mindless sheep, at least try to stay on topic. Don't have enough to do on the Kate fan blog? Crickets chirping over there?
NJGal51 said... 31
Baby Jane is the tormentor in the movie as played by Bette Davis. She is an old lush wanting to relive her glory days as a child star. I've always remembered the line "you can't have your breakfast Blanche because you didn't eat your din-din" (shed served her a dead rat for dinner).
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Thanks for the correction NJGal....I remember Sunset Blvd because, in addition to the movie, I took my son to see the Broadway musical for his 16th birthday--which, by the way, was not comped!
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@Kateplusmy8 babysitting my 2 year old nephew who pooped his pants..my 8 year old says mum he's done a hannah!! do we watch too much?! :-) x
I'm sure Hannah would be thrilled to know that this is the way she's going to be remembered. Makes you feel good, huh, Kate?
Gosh you sheeple are hopeless.
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I think that the one talent they do have is s$$t stirring. They certainly practice enough and are relentless. I'll give them that much.
Why is anonymous talking about DWTS? To relive Kate acting like a petulant asshole who refused to even learn or get better? To remind everyone of another one of Kate's many failures?
Warning. There are a small group who made a mission of tracking and stalking anyone who doesn't worship Kate. They are now focused on this blog and are seeking targets for their pathological hatred. It's no longer about kate. They hate for sport. Be careful that you don't post anything that will lead To your identity. I'm very serious.
Anonymous, how many DWTS contestants damaged their image to the degree that Kate Gosselin did? Isn't the point of these appearances in part to keep your face out there and your name in the news in a positive light?
Many can't dance but few have been as obnoxious and immature as we saw with Kate. In that sense I think she failed miserably in the self-promotion department.
mscatie said... 87
Anonymous, how many DWTS contestants damaged their image to the degree that Kate Gosselin did? Isn't the point of these appearances in part to keep your face out there and your name in the news in a positive light?
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That's right. I was just about to say it's not so much about what Kate could have got from DWTS as much as about how much she damaged her reputation.
Celebrity Apprentice is also a breeding ground for exposing stars for who they really are.
For instance Marlee Matlin and Brett Michaels came out of it looking like saints. And Dionne Warwick like a raging lunatic narcissistic bitch. Everyone who watched was thinking WHOA forget her.
These "reality" shows about celebs really do affect how people perceive you and can have long-term, lasting effects either bolstering or damaging your reputation. You can't really quantify these things other than to say surely it has an affect on future projects for many of them, be it good or bad.
Here's an article about what Celebrity Apprentice did to Dionne: "Celebrity Apprentice" may have pulled a reverse whammy on Warwick. While several former participants such as Piers Morgan, Bret Michaels, Holly Robinson Peete and Joan Rivers have received boosts in their careers, some observers have speculated on whether Warwick may have tarnished her treasured legacy with her stint on the series.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2011/03/dionne-warwick-on-celebrity-apprentice-in-tune-or-sour-note.html
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 34
Name one thing Kate has done that didn't invoke the kids. Nothing. She is incapable. If she can find something without invoking the kids by all means!
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EXACTLY!
The woman writes a blog for Coupon Cabin - and what does she do? Drags the kids into practically every post she writes - and she's now posting photos of the kids on the blog.
She goes onto Dr. Drew, and what does she talk about? How she's lonely and no man will have her because she has 8 kids - and how the kids miss the trips and the crew.
She goes on a Celebrity Cruise - and puts out the word that (at least) two of the kids will be joining her.
She goes off to run (supposedly) a marathon (supposedly) and tweets a picture to her adoring fans of the cake that her KIDS would be eating to celebrate her run.
IN EVERY SINGLE THING THIS WOMAN DOES - OR SAYS - SHE DRAGS THE KIDS INTO THE EQUATION.
Whereas Jon? Any time someone even MENTIONS the kids on Twitter, he will tell them the kids are off-limits. He also does this when someone mentions Kate.
Too bad she can't return the favor about him.
Exactly re DWTS:
Rob Kardashian, who I wanted to dislike because I cannot tolerate that fame-seeking, trashy family, was, well, AWESOME. He busted his ASS, learned everything they threw at him and almost ended up winning.
I remember sitting on my coach, my mouth hanging open, watching him during the last two shows, absolutely amazed.
He upped his reputation by being on DWTS. He was gracious and respectful and WORKED HARD. It showed.
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Jon probably has insight on issues that I would like to understand. I am more than willing to give him a chance. I would listen. Dr. Drew, et. al. should give him the opportunity to share is opinions. I do hope he could frame his words in such a way that he avoids the slurs and slanders of Kate.
Let's just see what happens.
Kelly Osbourne is another one who totally gave her career a healthy kick in the pants from DWTS.
People of my generation knew her and liked her because we realized after watching their show that despite outward appearance, this was a NICE family. But other people who didn't watch that show still attached this stigma of the pink haired rocker bad girl Ozzy's daughter the guy who ate a bat.
When she was on DWTS people saw her for how we saw her, a kind, dedicated, soft-spoken, intelligent young woman with incredible talent. She's got a thriving career now and has become much more mainstream appealing to everyone not just my age group. All thanks to DWTS IMO.
Kelly Osborne earned my respect by her appearance on DWTS. Prior to that I thought she was a sulky, entitled teen. DWTS showed that she was much more than that and her career has taken off.
Pamela Anderson is another one on DWTS where people got to see her for who she really is, laid back, she was on that show without makeup all the time, relaxed, clever and FUNNY. Oh and she didn't talk about her kids and made fun of Kate for doing so.
Kate became known as a shrew, a person who knew nothing who questioned a professional dancer, someone who freely talked about her private divorce and custody and her kids, a person who did NOT work hard (at one point I believe she said she practiced four hours a day.....um that's nothing most other dancers will tell you they practice 12-16 hours), who was LAZY, who was not trying, who was a quitter, self absorbed and without any kind of self awareness, and to top it all off won't even talk to Tony now according to him. No one came out of that thinking wow what a lovely mommy.
So yes, Kate did blow it.
Well stated, Knows Quality!
That's why Jon gets a pass for now. Too bad the sheeple trolls don't "get" that part.
It kind of goes into the whole misguided characterization that we demand parents be perfect.
NO, I do not demand Jon be perfect. I demand Jon overall makes good choices, 90% of the time, as all parents should. And he IS now from what I can tell. I don't demand that all parents be perfect.
But Kate is making about 10% good choices and 90% bad ones. She not only blew it with DWTS, but she blew it with me.
Even with the CC job she had to bring the kids into it holding up her 8 fingers and saying "when you have 8 kids".
She can do nothing with/o some how mentioning the 8 or Jon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoFC_9qKEvo
Warning said... 86
Warning. There are a small group who made a mission of tracking and stalking anyone who doesn't worship Kate.
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As long as they don't find out I'm a Russian spy I think I'm safe.
WOULD LOVE TO SEE JON ON DWTS!!!!
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Oops.
A lot of people on here actually applauded her for her coupon cabin gig, including Administrator I believe, saying, well its a real job and doesn't involve the kids. Until we realized that she was incapable of doing ANYTHING without dragging her kids into it. Had she managed to actually keep her kids out of her CC gig I'd applaud her and wish her the best of luck. I feel the same about Jon. The second he drags his kids into anything he does publicly I'll withdraw my support of him. Difference is, unlike Kate he does seem to be capable of keeping his kids out of the spotlight.
The fact that any of you demand anything from anyone is absolutely ridiculous. It really shows how self-righteowous most of you are.
Sherry Baby said... 188
"Jon Gosselin from the former hit TLC show “Jon & Kate Plus 8″ has signed with a new management team. Chris Cabott from Zane Management tweeted today that he is pleased to welcome Jon Gosselin to the “representation family.” Jon Gosselin acknowledged that tweet with a “thx man.”
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At least Jon didn't re-sign with Mike Heller, who managed him during the height of Jon&Kate Plus 8 (Season 5)...when more viewers tuned-in and media attention followed the demise of this family. He didn't help Jon (and his image/brand) all that much. A red flag went off when Jon tweeted him the same day his twitter gets verified and goes public.
Zane Management appears to have a long-list of various clientele from news reporters to athletes, so I do hope they'll use his "celebrity" for something good (like charities or to promote worthy causes).
http://zanemanagement.com/index.php?id=101
I am cautiously optimistic.
Anonymous, if self righteous means "demanding" that parents treat their children like the precious people that they are, I'll stay self-righteous.
You say self-righteous, we say protective.
We say child abuse, you say mind your own damn business.
Sorry, I don't agree.
Anonymous, you support a fame-whore child-expoiting bitch who wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire. How does it feel knowing she appreciates your suppoort so much that she's begging you to go on a cruise? Please go on that cruise and get to know the woman you so rabidly defend.
Dwindle has left a new comment on the post "'Dance Mom' Melissa calls Kate out: 'I am not a ba...":
ATTENTION! ALL OF YOU! Over here, pay attention to MEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have 2, count em TWO coffee makers and right now I am running all the washable pieces parts through the dishwasher, along with the microwave glass turntable, this morning's pancake griddle, and my fancy red spatula. I am exhausted!!!! But just for you, I will force myself to take a pic of my PERSONAL dishwasher and post it for you so you all dont start a panic in the streets. Again!!! Try not to trip over each other in your stampede to look at my coffee makers being washed!!! And now I feel my exhausted eyes closing and cant type another exhausted thing so I will exhaustedly say that I simply must nap now!!!! Could you mediocre folks keep it down?!!??!! I loaded that dishwasher all by myself, NO ONE appreciates a darn thing I do, and the aloneness of solitary dishwasher-loading is just so aloneishey!!!! And now I am BEYOND exhausted but I agree ahead of time with all of you that OF COURSE I am the most AAAMMMAAZZZIINNNGGG woman you have never met!!! I just wish you appreciated how stressful and exhausting and unsatisfying it is to load 9 items in the dishwasher ALL ALL ALL ALONE, add the soap and push the button. No one understands my needs!!!! Oh my eyes are closing so unless anyone has a gift card for me or my silicone, I will nap now.
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Thank you Dwindle for the laugh out loud. I needed it today.
Wow. You sure are a bitch.
What have YOU done besides complain, shit-stir, an whine like a big baby all day?
I bet you are banging your pointy head against the wall because you can't afford the cruise. Life sucks when you worship garbage.
Yes I did say when I first heard about CouponCabin hey finally something she can do without the kids.
Boy that didn't last long.
Her blogs aren't even ABOUT coupons lol they are just about trying to keep people reading by talking about the kids.
I was watching ER on TLC. My Crazy Obsession is next. The couple with the 5,000 Cabbage Patch Kids who built an amusement area, 6,000 square foot climate-controlled building for them, and have play dates with other CPK two hours away make Kate, Milo and other sheeple look sane. Care for these dolls costs $1,000 a month. The couple lives in a trailer. The dolls live much better. Kevin, their first doll, has the final say as to whether new dolls may live there.
Is this exploitation on TLC's part? Obviously, these people are nuts. Can adults be exploited without their permission? Putting them on display like this just seems so wrong, even if they've signed a contract and agree to it.
Could those pageant dresses be the free ones that some store offered on twitter to send to Kate a while ago? Frilly ruffly (ugly IMO) ones for little girls.
Why is it so hard for people to pick a name and stick to it?
The rules don't apply to them? They can't read? What?
Scrolling past anon with no response is all they deserve. If they can't own their comments they're not worthy of a response, IMO.
Here's a name suggestion: Imacoward
Jon is no better than Kate.
It's interesting to see how people who like him justify his actions.
When Kate does the same thing, they go nuts.
Those poor, poor children.
When Kate does the same thing, they go nuts.
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What did Kate do that was the same as Jon?
Not Surprised, what has Jon done in the last couple of years that's been so awful?
Jon no better than Kate....
Does kind of make you wonder, doesn't it. I hope he can stay classy (pleeeeeze!) and leave the kids out of it. It would be nice if he developed a talent, too, but I guess you can't have everything. :)
Mscastle, Jon hooked up with a few girls after his marriage was done and over, pulled his kids off T.V. and got a mediocre job and a Twitter account.
And they claim WE judge Kate!
Jon is no better than Kate.
It's interesting to see how people who like him justify his actions.
When Kate does the same thing, they go nuts.
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I don't recall hearing Jon on the radio recently, discussing the puberty and bras of his twin daughters.
I also don't recall reading Jon's tweets that threw Kate under the bus.
When did that happen?
Well at least Jon will go back to a normal job and not make up excuses on why he can't work a normal 9-5 unlike someone.
Damn right those poor, poor children. Not Surprised, have you ever lived with a narcissist? Do you know what they're capable of? Do some research and you'll gain some understanding about why those kids are to be pitied.
Yep--off to sleep! Mady is2my left, mocking me&making an entire comedy act of it...While cara laughs!I'm not laughing-on the outside-anyway! about an hour ago
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Ha. We were just saying how smart these girls are. They have Kate's number. Kate thinks 11 is bad.
Jumping In said... 63
This management company signed Jon for a reason, and whatever that reason is will play out over time. Jon's job is to choose carefully, leave his kids out of the equation, and above all, show maturity for the sake of his children.
Kate is at home with few prospects for a reason. She is vacant, shallow, mean-spired and phony. The entertainment industry has her number, and everyone knows it, except Kate.
Kate has had her chance to show us, to prove her detractors wrong. We are witnessing the results of Kate abilities without TLC guiding her, and it ain't pretty.
I wish Jon the best, now he has his chance to walk the walk. Fear not Anonymous, Jon won't get a free ride here, exploitation of one's children is an equal-opportunity offense. My guess is that if Jon falls flat, his kids will not
be any part of that failure. Time will tell.
March 7, 2012 5:01 PM
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i don't mind that jon is trying to find a career in show business or whatever. not at all. why would i? it's his life. just like it's kate's life.
when it's all broken down it's only their business what each does. i'm not a kate lover. or a jon hater. i know it's not my business. i can have an opinion but that doesn't give me (or any of you) the right to dictate or demand they have a career that we are ok with...even if that means they do talk about, have a show with, write a blog about their kids.
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@kateplusmy8 You did not co-host on the View. You were a guest on the show and a very poor one. Whoppie kicked your ass.
Wasn't she announced as guest co-host back in the fall of 2009?
i can have an opinion but that doesn't give me (or any of you) the right to dictate or demand they have a career that we are ok with...even if that means they do talk about, have a show with, write a blog about their kids.
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Wasn't Kimmie banned?
Trolling For Trolls said... 124
Wasn't Kimmie banned?
March 7, 2012 8:04 PM
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instead of deflecting why can't you just discuss the statement?
i can have an opinion but that doesn't give me (or any of you) the right to dictate or demand they have a career that we are ok with.
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If your career is exploiting your children, the public has every right to speak up.
Are you okay with careers in prostitution and illegal drug trade too? What about corrupt politicians is that okay? Where do you draw the line?
Okay, let's discuss. How about this statement? "i know it's not my business. i can have an opinion"
So, how are "we" different from you? We never said this was "our business," and we aren't "dictating" to or "demanding" anything from Kate, Jon, or the man in the moon. We're just talking about what we see. Same as you.
What was your point?
Yep. 11 is nothing compared to what she's about to go through. Xs 8.
And on top of the rebellion that comes with the teen years, she'll have to account for all those windows she kept open for the world to look through, all the private moments that she decided weren't private.
Aww poor, poor Kate. There will be no rest for the wicked.
You go Jon! You deserve to make some money and stick it to that witch you were married to. So what if at one time he said he wanted out of the spot light. Does that mean he can never change his mind. He was treated so unfairly for so long by Kate and TLC and I hope he makes a ton of money and she has to go to him for money. She is probably so furious she can't breathe. She deserves everything coming to her. Karma has taken a While but it is coming at her fast now.
no illegal professions are, of course, not ok. corruption is also illegal and not ok.
i guess the problem is, as it has always been, that what some see as exploitation others don't...sigh...
gift, yes...several people here are demanding what jon does/does not do. and in those very words!
and most here have always seen fit to dictate to kate (and jon) how they should live their lives and what is ok and not ok to do.
having an opinion and expressing it is totally different than some of the extreme actions many here have taken re kate and employment even when it didn't involve the kids.
Kimmie,
Obviously, you don't like this blog.
Why can't you stay away?
waterblogged said... 131
Kimmie,
Obviously, you don't like this blog.
Why can't you stay away?
March 7, 2012 8:30 PM
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i thought we were having a fairly good discussion...
I don't have the same faith in Jon that most of the other posters here seem to have. I think he hid from the limelight for so long because TLC figuratively castrated him until the contract was up this past February. He grifted from the state and from churches along with Kate, and that is not something I will forget. I hope new representation doesn't mean exploitation for the kids, I really do, but I just can't stand behind him.
On the other hand, being managed does not necessarily mean he is seeking new gigs. He could quite possibly be seeking representation for syndication rights and oversees rights to the show. It's too early to tell what this all means, but I'm not going to rush to his defense either.
Kimmie has no where to post since Pam closed EDOS.
no illegal professions are, of course, not ok. corruption is also illegal and not ok.
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TLC broke the law by not paying the kids. They admitted their wrong doing and started to pay them. It was illegal. Is it still okay.
What about immoral professions. Prostitution, show girls, call girls are legal in many states. Is that okay with you?
No Kimmie, it's not a case of you say potato I say potato. It's a case of a very small minority refusing to see the truth. This is not a case of Kate has her fans and haters, some of this some of that. Kate has about 6 fans, and thousands more haters.
Are there any fan blogs left is that way?
BabyMama is claiming personal life is "busy" and can't admit she's turned into a hater, so very few comments there, Sage shut down, EDOS shut down. What's left?
What does that tell you when the "hater" blogs are stronger than ever and the sheeple ones keep shutting down?
Gift of grab said... 127
So, how are "we" different from you? We never said this was "our business," and we aren't "dictating" to or "demanding" anything from Kate, Jon, or the man in the moon.
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You may not be demanding anything from Jon, but the Administrator of this blog indicated, in this thread, that she is doing just that:
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 97
NO, I do not demand Jon be perfect. I demand Jon overall makes good choices, 90% of the time, as all parents should.
Demand is really the wrong word, but the sheeple have said we "demand" parents be perfect. I'm saying no that's not what I "demand." And I don't think expecting people to be good parents is an unreasonable "demand." Even the law expects it.
Shit stir, shit stir, deflect deflect.
Kimmie said, i thought we were having a fairly good discussion...
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I guess Kimmie missed the last discussion in which admin told her that she knew that it was the same Kimmie who was banned.
I'm not sure what this person doesn't understand about that.
The sole purpose of her posting, historically, has been to stir things up.
There's still another fan blog that is in ICU and barely breathing.
IW changed their name from "Gosselins Do Not Need our Pity" and attempted to PRETEND they were a legitimate blog. (I guess posting things about other blog owners under the title 'Google is our Friend' shows that leopards and their spots never change..)
I would really like to know why Admin allows Anonymous posting. It's not difficult to pick a name and stay with that name.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 135
No Kimmie, it's not a case of you say potato I say potato. It's a case of a very small minority refusing to see the truth. This is not a case of Kate has her fans and haters, some of this some of that. Kate has about 6 fans, and thousands more haters.
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No, Administrator, it's not a case of you and your followers knowing "the truth." Your "truth" is nothing more than an opinion, just as mine is and Kimmie's is. This blog is at one extreme and the overzealous fans are at the other. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
And I'd be really careful about claiming to have a stranglehold on the truth by virtue of being in the majority. Should we take a walk through history and discuss all the "truths" espoused by the majority at various points in time?
what can admin do about anonymous? Not picking, just asking. She can either put us on moderation or ...what? Admin doesn't use a tracker and can't block IPs.
Audible some legit people cannot post because of browser problems. To get rid of anonymous to get rid of a few trolls means that people who don't cause problems won't be able to post either.
And it won't prevent them from just picking some kind of snotty name like they do.
She can delete the Anonymous choice in the drop down menu.
Demanding-
at which point in history was it ok to publicize your children's private moments so that you could make a buck? Was that EVER ok?
No, it was never right to treat a child like a commodity and it will never be right. There is no way to slice it so that it becomes more palatable. It's wrong.
The Gosselin kids had their childhood moments sold to the highest sponsor and they were not even legally entitled to any of the proceeds. That's called slavery. Remind me when that was ok?
And I'd be really careful about claiming to have a stranglehold on the truth by virtue of being in the majority. Should we take a walk through history and discuss all the "truths" espoused by the majority at various points in time?
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The majority liked Kate in the beginning. Then slowly, over time the minority became the majority just like they have for many other unjust circumstances in the past. So, I agree with you on this, the majority has often been wrong, very wrong and was slowly taken over by the minority to what is right and just.
Child exploitation is not an opinion, it's a fact. Now pick a name.
Demanding - What's your 'opinion' on pedophilia?
Auntie Anne is just an opinion that it was wrong for a child porn collector to be editing Jon and Kate's show and it's wrong to brush it off as Oh well I didn't know him now when can the "daddies" stop by for a visit?
Just one little opinion of the many out there.
GIMME A FREAKING BREAK.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 144
Audible some legit people cannot post because of browser problems. To get rid of anonymous to get rid of a few trolls means that people who don't cause problems won't be able to post either.
And it won't prevent them from just picking some kind of snotty name like they do.
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My apologies, Admin. It isn't even the trolls so much as keeping track of the conversation. I'll just scroll past the Anonymous posts.
I think he hid from the limelight for so long because TLC figuratively castrated him until the contract was up this past February.
True.
He grifted from the state and from churches along with Kate
So true. He drank the koolaid, too, at first.
While there is no doubt that he is a far more nurturing parent than Kate can ever hope to be, my biggest fear for those kids is that he isn't really the nice person we want him to be.
Time will tell I guess.
Demanding, you are not contributing anything to this conversation and what you say is shit stirring and deliberately misconstruing things. So unless you can offer something of value you're done.
This very THREAD has constituted great debate about whether Dance Moms is exploitive or not. Of course people are well aware there is disagreement about what constitutes exploitation and what doesn't. What a ridiculous comment.
Mel, I think it's possible that when Jon removed himself from the spotlight it was because of how out of control it had become. He was at the mercy of Kate and TLC. He may be more comfortable trying to ease back into things, without exploiting the kids, now that he feels like he is in the driver's seat again. TLC is gone and Kate can't do anything really to him anymore. Now he is in charge of what he puts out there again.
One reason I know I could never stand being on a reality show is the sheer amount of control they have over you, it would drive me crazy, right down to facial hair. If I wanted to do a Superbowl commercial it was tick me off my network told me no. I can't imagine not being able to make a decision like that on my own.
This whole thing might be about Jon be able to take back control of the image that others have put out there of him while he could do nothing. Maybe he just wants to just briefly put out there a better image for prosperity, especially for his own kids, and I can't blame the guy.
Kimmie, you are a piece of work bemoaning how it's a shame people can't discuss things without name calling. For 500 comments everything was going just fine eve though there was TONS of disagreement, until you and your friend Demanding decided to shit stir on comment 500. This is exactly why you were banned. Do not come back.
Where do you people come from? Unbelievable.
Yes, Jon absolutely is more nurturing than Kate. Considering Kate's reptilion demeanor that isn't saying much.
Going back to Jon -
The BEST thing his new management could do is set him up as an advocate for parental rights for fathers.
Use him as a good father who has been mostly cut out from his children. There is more than enough footage in public domain to show him as a loving father. Then his management company should contrast that image with what the court has mandated vs the image of a mother who has primary custody, yet flies off wherever and whenever to do what??? Run marathons thousands of miles away while the children are cared for by who? Scary stuff when you really think about it.
There are a ton of fathers who have been dissed by the court who could rally around a Jon Gosselin, simply because JG has a national profile.
Admin, they come from 404 error pages.
Aside from the issue of who is or isn't pimping the kids, and it seems like Jon isn't, for the moment, let's just admit that Jon is way more likable than Kate. It's natural to like someone better when they aren't repulsive.
This whole thing might be about Jon be able to take back control of the image that others have put out there of him while he could do nothing.
Also true. That was hideous, unfair, and completely despicable! And she's worried about what the kids will read about *Jon*???
This surely has been and will continue to be one interesting saga. So good of you to provide this forum for us to discuss it!
I'd love to know the truth someday, but I suppose we never will. Not that we should know it either.
I don't understand why a couple of my comments were deleted today. In the first junkie had mentioned something about different interpretations of the same scene, alluding to the sheeple-hater debate and I responded by asking what her interpretation on Kate denying Maddy was. At first I thought you didn't want to feed the trolls, but you allowed much more argumentative comments through after I made mine.
My next comment was that I think Jonis the more nurturing parent than Kate, but considering her reptilion demeanor that isn't saying much. What's wrong with that?
Kimmie, you are a piece of work bemoaning how it's a shame people can't discuss things without name calling. For 500 comments everything was going just fine eve though there was TONS of disagreement, until you and your friend Demanding decided to shit stir on comment 500. This is exactly why you were banned. Do not come back.
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Admin, when their regular playgrounds are bulldozed over, they always have the option of building new ones where they can play very happily with those of their kind. Unfortunately, they don't do this because it's much easier just to move on to another one that is already established.
There is a guy in L.A. who wrote a great book called something like Advocating for fathers in custody cases, I have a copy and refer to it often. It sort of breaks down how fathers (men) are wired different than women and how to help them achieve their goals while still maintaining their "manhood" and dignity so to speak. It can be hard for a father to feel like he is "begging" to the judge whereas for women we simply don't usually think like that. There is a lot of emotion that goes into child support as well. Someone like Kate bashing Jon for that cuts more deeply into men sometimes, because they feel that is their "role" to provide. Whereas we might think whatever who cares, a man feels his very identity as a provider has been trashed. I bet he would love a spokesperson like Jon.
Maybe he can do something good with his celebrity. It is possible. Either about speaking out about reality t.v. and the dangers of the media, or speaking out about divorce and a father's rights, or both. It's all up in the air.
Done and Done no one deleted your comments. They could have ended up in spam.
Admin, when their regular playgrounds are bulldozed over, they always have the option of building new ones where they can play very happily with those of their kind. Unfortunately, they don't do this because it's much easier just to move on to another one that is already established.
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I mean really. If neither a sheeple or non-fan blog is suiting your needs, go to blogger.com and selected "new blog." Start your own. That's what I did. It's unoriginal to go trolling around the existing ones you don't like because you don't want to bother with the work to start your own.
The difference between Kate and the Dance Moms, as far as I'm concerned, is that the Dance Moms actually DO what Kate claims to do, which is devote themselves 100% to the kids. They sit hour after hour waiting during practice, travel with the kids, everything to support the kids' activity. You or I may not agree with children spending so much time in the studio, but I remember Billie Jean King saying that she would never have risen to the top of tennis without being 100% committed to it. No top athlete (or dancer) can be the best without starting young and staying with it--and most of the girls featured in Dance Moms seem to have the kind of talent and commitment to actually become stars. They would be doing the hours in the studio with or without the show. The people supplying the "reality" aspect are the mothers. The girls are doing what they would be doing, with or without cameras. They don't get involved in the drama, and in fact are often not in the same room with the moms when they are behaving badly.
I thought about this, and I hope it comes across as well thought out as it did in my head.
I've never taken a law class, so forgive my lack of understanding.
Kate filed for full custody originally after the divorce because she was the one making the most money to support the children. True, I think.
Jon was in a position because of his celebrity status that perhaps getting a job at first was difficult, even though he eventually got one. Roofing, I believe, maybe not.
Kate filed for child support from Jon ones he got a job (or jobs) for X amount of money.
Either before or after her show was canceled I can't remember. Don't even care if she requested alimony or not doesn't matter.
Today, Jon still pays child support, the amount I am assuming has to fit in with whatever he makes, not just some number that Kate claims is to provide for them, some outlandish number that he can't afford. Not sure.
Today, as for a while now, Kate is unemployed. I don't know if the courts accept her blogging job as a full-time, fully employed position. She has no other income coming directly to her other than Jon's child support that I am aware of.
One minute it's she's broke and whines about how much the kids cost, then is lavish the next with something she needs or wants for herself.
Jon maybe getting more time with the kids for whatever reason which is good.
Now, the thing is Kate fought for custody because she made more money than him at the time, she had the primary residence. While she still has residence she has no known income that would allow her to provide for her children other than the money that she has perhaps saved.
If Jon were to ask for custody, because he appears the only parent who makes a stable income, maybe not the amount that Kate claims is needed because lots of families get by on less and thrive or whatever you call it.
Kate got custody at the time...why not now would Jon be given custody and or if he asked, would it be given based on this fact?
How can a judge look at the situation of a woman who is without a job able to raise 8 kids without working and only on child support as she claims it barely affords them lunch.
Sorry, I've just thought about this as thoroughly as I can for a long time now. Just curious.
The trouble with "kimmie" is that she goes along, having "a fairly good discussion," and then BAM!
...the real "kimmie" comes out, stirring the pot.
Which was her intention in the first place; she thinks she's so sneaky. Yeah, a real clever girl; too bad the ending's still the same.
Without exception she'll be banned again, faster than crap through a goose.
Like SkHate, the Sheeple cannot take a HINT, nor an outright blatant GO AWAY and don't come back, PLEEZ. Something to do with I.Q.
What does that tell you when the "hater" blogs are stronger than ever and the sheeple ones keep shutting down?
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Admin, you are a lawyer and should be able to identify with this. What would you tell your client if they came to you to represent them in a civil case against some posters who did something illegal? Something that is also being investigated criminally. You would tell your client to BE QUIET.
I personally think both Jon and Kate are famewhores. They both sold out their children. Yes Jon stopped for a few years but I think he was forced to. Now I think he is going to go back to making a fool of himself. I think Kate needs to back off a bit about the kids but what can she do. She has to find some way to support them. Did you notice from the tweets in the last month Jon had the boys only one weekend according to him and then had them 24 hours this last weekend? Thats been it. I see less custody out of Jon. I dont see where some think he is getting more. This is JMO.
She has to find some way to support them.
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There are many divorced moms who find a way to support their children without exploiting them. It's called GETTING A JOB!
I was wondering something. Why does Kate need to get a medicore job (even though no matter what she does people will try and destroy it). But Jon can have a medicore, private job for 2 years and its just great for him if he got back into the public life. Makes no sense to me.
Logan, it's not the public eye vs. private I that I have a problem with. Or I'd be stomping up and down every day about single actress and actor out there who is a parent saying they shouldn't be in the public eye. That's silly. Some jobs are public and some people who hold those jobs have kids.
I have a problem with every....single....public job Kate takes she has to wrap the kids up in too. It appears the only job she can take that does not exploit her kids is private since she is incapable of being public and leaving her kids OUT OF IT. That's why I personally want her to just GO AWAY.
Jon can take a public job without exploiting his kids, he's done it before with products he's promoted, etc. If Kate could do the same, by all means.
Can I ask what public thing Jon has done without the kids? Yes maybe his public twitter but he did talk about his kids when he was private. I am not giving either parent a pass here. I think they both did many things wrong. I just dont understand how one parent can be the awful parent when they both are and as I said before how is Jon getting more custody?
Logan, his entire Ed Hardy deal had absolutely nothing to do with the kids. He even went to France, that was for Ed Hardy. There was another time he did promotion in Vegas for Ed Hardy or another company. He also tried to do a Superbowl commercial on his own, but was denied by TLC.
You don't hear about these things much because we don't really talk about them much because THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE KIDS. Why would I constantly harp on a job like any other job? I don't. He has proven he can be public without his kids. Kate has not. End of story.
I will admit that I watched last weeks dance moms episode today. I do love an underdog story. I was happy to see that Abby gave Nia a solo at a competition that was appropriate for her level of dance. She was not set up for failure. I can do without the drama that happened at the competition. I wont be a regular watcher of this show. I do like watching the girls dance. I also understand that the moms have sacrificed a lot to help their children get to where they are today. The families likely had to make spending cuts in other parts of their lifestyle to support the girls. This is something Kate would never do. The moms have also had to give up a lot of time to be there when their daughters needed them. I hope the moms are keeping the girls money safe. They deserve to have it when they go out on their own.
Now to talk about Jon. I think that he could have a lot to contribute to exposing reality TV for what it is. The laws need to be changed. The children need to be protected. I personally would love to hear his story. I have been thinking about the children. They will be part of his story. How can he talk about them without giving personal information. We already know a lot about them. We even know specific incidences. Its sad that we know so much about them.
I am going to ask all of you a hypothetical question. What sort of wording should Jon use if he tells his story? How should he approach the topic of the children? We have all said that we dont want him to make money off the children. We dont want specifics. Well, what do you want to see? Give examples if you have them. I think it would be constructive for us to talk about this.
Oh his Ed Hardy days. When he was reliving his 20s. The trip to France when he was smoking, drinking, doing pot and farting with Hailey? Never seeing his kids? Yep those were his days. Them Ed Hardy days showed just who Jon was. Yep nothing to do with the kids. Exactly!!
Logan, you asked what public things Jon has done without the kids, implying they were none. I gave you several examples. Then you discard them because those were just "Jon reliving his 20's."
I don't care what you want to call various JOBS, the point is you asked for examples of Jon doing things without his kids and I PROVED IT to you.
What's with the trolls tonight?
think Kate needs to back off a bit about the kids but what can she do. She has to find some way to support them. Did you notice from the tweets in the last month Jon had the boys only one weekend according to him and then had them 24 hours this last weekend? Thats been it. I see less custody out of Jon. I dont see where some think he is getting more. This is JMO.
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We dont know the specifics of the custody agreement. We dont need to know this. Twitter is not an accurate way to track the custody of the children. I dont mind what Jon posted about the boys. He said that he had the boys. He did not give specifics about what activities they did together. He also refrained from tweeting updates every few min during the custody time. The tweets that he posted about the kids when his account was private were typical parent tweets. Such as "I did x with the children this weekend." They were not details about the kids lives. I would not hold it against Kate if she just posted this sort of thing. Kate insists on making twitter and blog episodes about her kids.
Jon spends less time on twitter per week then Kate spends in a day. That alone speaks volumes to me. It shows that he is fully present for his work and custody time. Kate is not fully present. She is always reading, or responding to tweets even during a family movie night. Kates problem is not uncommon. I think many people are addicted to social media. I think this feeds into Kates narcissism.
Hey I am not a troll.I am just having a DISCUSSION as you said was ok here. Jon really did ruin the Ed Hardy line. Didnt Kate do an Ab thing that everyone disapproved of? No kids involved? And everyone made fun of? I dislike Kate too for her superiour attitude. But I think they both trying in their own weird way.
Admin, you are a lawyer and should be able to identify with this. What would you tell your client if they came to you to represent them in a civil case against some posters who did something illegal? Something that is also being investigated criminally. You would tell your client to BE QUIET.
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Best stuff in life is cheep. said... 173
Well said, Best, and I wish I had some examples, but I for the life of me can't really think of any. I suppose it's possible he could speak about his experience in reality television solely from his perspective and leave the kids and Kate out of it, but lets face it. What people want to hear is Jon dish about Kate and what a Bee with an Itch she is.
What I hope is that he pursues local gigs of some sort. Reading his Twitter, he's doing a lot of promotion of local restaurants and pubs/bars/clubs. So, it could be that he's just wanting to do some appearances, tweet some promotions and make a little extra money on the side. I think he could do all that without referencing the kids or Kate.
And for the record, I am one of those long term posters that has always stuck by the fact that Kate could pursue a career in media/entertainment to her heart's content and I would support her 100% as long as the kids were not involved. Unfortunately, Kate simply isn't interesting enough to be able to talk about anything other than being a mom of 8 kids. Believe me, I've given her many benefits of the doubt. The woman just doesn't have any spark and she is a bit boring, imo. She can only talk about herself 95% of the time and her kids the other 5%. When she was interviewing for ET, as well as other outlets, she stank, plain and simple. She didn't know how to hold a mic, she turned every question back onto her and she really just came off as a hanger on who was trying to play with the cool kids and failing miserably.
That, coupled with the fact that she can't take direction, makes her unmarketable as a talk show host or radio host, imo. That is why she ALWAYS has to reference her kids. It's the only thing she's known for and it's her one schtick pony. She's written herself into a corner and she can't get out of it.
On another note, I hope the facebook posting re: Gina Neild was true. I really don't understand why she allows him to continue to "work" for Kate (and it's for free, if the tabloids are to be believed!). I'm sorry, but I would have put my foot down long ago and said "You're not paid enough to deal with this. Quit." Still, at least if they're together maybe it means that Steve isn't sleeping with Kate. That's an image I would love to successfully remove from my brain.
The discussion about the cheerleaders routines and uniforms reminded me of a Gloria Steinem town hall style event I attended several years ago. I was surprised on her stance on Sex in the City--she felt that, on the whole, the show was empowering for young women in terms of owning their sexuality and that women should not limit themselves just because men can't control their libido. Yes, small children and 30 year old women--big difference! There are very sick people out there and as parents, we have to protect our children. However, her comment did make me think about in a different way.
That's right Logan she DID do the ab commercial. Although they billed her as "Mom of 8" and she dragged the kids with her to Maryland to film it for two days.
And look at are non-hypocritical comments commending her for it from the post on it. I'll start with mine, in which I said I was proud of her. So crying hypocrisy doesn't work here:
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/07/kate-dives-into-world-of-infomercials.html
Administrator said... 10
You know I don't know if proud is the right word but in a strange way I am sort of proud of her. For once she stepped up and did what any good Mommy would do to support her kids--got a job on her own merit, worked her butt off, and brought home a paycheck. All while the children stayed home and enjoyed their summer. She was working so hard she couldn't really tweet much, and she stayed up until 12 working. Welcome to the REAL WORLD Kate.
Permanent Name said... 9
At least the kids aren't in the shots.
Sillimom
ITA that Kate should pursue work that focuses solely on her. I've never had a problem with her trying to work in the ET industry.
wayward said... 7
Good for her! It is about damn time she steps up and supports her children, not the other way around.
HI 50 said... 6
She's STILL invoking the kids... "Champion Mother of 8"
Mel said... 55
Kate invokes the 8 kids as her claim to fame just like she did in DWTS and everything else she does (as opposed to the other celebrities who invoke their sport).
IMHO she's still exploiting the kids, although not as blatantly. At least they weren't IN the video!
gotyournumberKate said... 14
Be that as it may I'm happy she's finally doing it without the kids. I sincerely hope this is the way it continues.
Vanessa said... 16
Yes, she DID work hard (?), did it without the kids
TLC stinks said... 17
This is a positive thing
Just Dwindle Away said... 99
I really dont care what she does
Anon. said... 20
While I'm happy that Kate is trying to do stuff w/o kids, I'm at a loss to wonder what about having 8 kids makes you a Champion?
And just for fun:
Sport said... 75
I'm not familiar with the product, does it come with a Tummy Tuck and spray on Abs?
Hypocrisy, sheep? No.
Sorry if someone has posted this. You guys are awesomely prolific, and I'll never get through all the comments before I head out the door.
Terri, the info on Steve and Gina was such a great find! I just wanted to add that I went to the event page, and it's scheduled for March 15, not 25th. I only add that tidbit because it will be interesting to see how Kate reacts that night--if she's extra snappy with her tweeters. It's just a week from today.
I will withhold my comments regarding Jon signing up with an agency. I am hopeful that he has matured and will not be shouting out he is a super dad of 8 unlike the witch.
I do admit I am surprised with the Gina Facebook catch. I have to wonder if this proves anything as she and Steve could still be separated but cordial. I just find it goes against my intuition that those two are still together. If she has put up with the fawning of Kate over her husband and all the magazine speculation, then the money must be really worth it. Why would this particular response be public when when keeps most Facebook postings private?
I'm sorry but unless Jon parlays his fame without involving the kids, I have no respect for him either.
If he can get gigs without discussing the kids, fine, but what do either Jon or Kate have to offer, when everything was premised on the their 8 kids. If they BOTH leave the kids out of future endeavors, I am fine with it. Just not sure that is going to happen, since the kids were the premise of the show from day one. Yes, I do have concerns when these kids will ever get a break. Not trying to be adverserial, just acknowledging that they both built their fame off the kids' backs and my wish is for the kids to have some privacy.
Reading the posts from last night and I can honestly say that I got a splitting headache...what the hell went on here last night? Who were those freaks....they're just pissed off because Jon might be more successful then their idiot (oops, I mean idol)....
I have no problem with Jon being successful. As long as he does not use his kids. Unlike Kate. But we shall see what he has to offer, and what he will do, now that the TLC contract has ended.
He has nothing to offer...she has nothing to offer..They're both average people with no special skills of talents...If they want to bang their head up against the wall...let them. They both are going no where fast. They are two people who cannot accept the fact that "it's over". Maybe the door was open at one time but that door has completly closed at this point. They desperately want that life style back...it's not gonna happen...
One of the iw mods posted the password to the blog. Several people accessed the blog. Now they claim they were hacked and they want civil and criminal charges pressed.
Good morning! Sun is shining&almost convinced myself to run the driveway before kids woke up..nah,I'll do it after grocery shopping later!:) 36 minutes ago
Tweet from the twit...
Sure, why go run while the kids are sleeping, they're out of your hair already. Better to run later when they are awake and would be annoying the hell out of you by their very being?
I also hope he doesn't do any type of reality show since he called Kate out saying it's not a career.
If he did a reality show we'd never hear the end of it from Kate or her follower's.
just facts said... 188
One of the iw mods posted the password to the blog. Several people accessed the blog. Now they claim they were hacked and they want civil and criminal charges pressed.----------
What does this have to do with this blog? Very annnoying since most of our posters do not go to fan blogs? What is iw and why are you posting it here? Please stop- has nothing to do with this blog.
Why does she talk about HALF and HALF and WHOLE MARATHONS, MARATHONS in one breath and try to CONVINCE herself to run the driveway in the other. I get the feeling she is planted on her LEATHER sofa with the remote in one hand (reliving the glory days) and phone in the other anytime the kids are otherwise occupied or absent.
She may be having trouble finding one that is so disorganized and chaotic that she can veritably walk across the finish line looking like she just stepped out of hair and makeup.
Boston and NY? It takes 3 days to psych herself up to run and M/J usually has to push her buttons then to get her up and out.
Maybe she can find a shopping marathon - more her "cup of tea." She does not even remotely fit the profile of a "runner." She needs to find a new bag.
I was responding to the troll that posted as seeing clearly. The iw mods are posting crap here. They brought it here. Thought posters might like to know what it was about. I wont post about it again. Sorry
I don't run so I don't know, but is the way runners feel; they have to MAKE themselves run every day like it's a huge dreaded chore they keep putting off and end up feeling guilty until they get it done?
just facts, I'm glad you did. I was very curious what that was about. Thanks.
Now she's saying she's going to run THREE half marathons and one whole this year. Whew! Where are my tall boots? The bullshit is getting deeeeep on Twitter!
She's only signed up for one half marathon in JUNE. So she thinks she's going to do two more half marathons and one full in the last six months of the year?
I'm going to put my prediction here: won't happen.
My husband runs several times a week all seasons and in all kinds of weather. When it's impossible for him to run he laments the interuption to his routine. I'm sure runners have a variety of reasons for why they run, but I know one who very much looks forward to that time in his day...and can become very grumpy when denied that pleasure, lol.
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