mama mia said... 190 Jon has joint custody now? Gee, I go away for a couple of days and miss everything. Did you guys discuss this somewhere? ________________________________________
On the thread before this one. Admin confirms 50/50 child support yesterday in a post around 4 pm.
Just wondering: I don't sit on the computer as you are saying. I have plenty to do. When I am on here I am taking a break. Second I do not do researching of Kate, all the info I have gotten was from watching the show years ago(some of us have good memories), Kate blogs and interview should I choose to read them or watch them(people here give a good account of what was said), and lastly it is just common sense. As I have said before, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what Kate is about or up too. Kate only cares about getting another TV show, she cares about nothing else. Kate has been saying that in recent articles and interviews. If you don't like my opinions then don't read them, or start your own blog.
ROL has an article about Kate being in NYC. Quote from the article:
"The mother of eight stepped out in New York City on Friday squeezed into a skin-tight red bandage dress that left little to the imagination for passersby on the streets of the Big Apple."
They call her "smoking hot". When looking at the picture they have, all I can say is. does Kate know what a slip is?
I can see some real divas on the list of Tony's partners. I hear Susan is nice when it suits her and Martina is a handful. Then there is Wendy and ... ta tas!... KATE.
Some girl just tweeted about 1/2 hour ago... (Tamara?)
"Me and Kate Gosselin chatting it up. Kate Plus 8 Plus Me. @kateplusmy8 #blogher12 #nyc @couponcabin"
Pic of Katie & a CC booth-dweller. Kate's wearing what appear to be near 7" black hooker heels. We were all right again! (Well, I certainly appreciate the "ME and Kate Gosselin" grammar ;)
(Well, I certainly appreciate the "ME and Kate Gosselin" grammar ;)
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I've noticed that there is more and more of this usage lately among teens and young people. Sheeple are very guilty of it. Kate does it, too. I wonder if they have never been taught the correct use of compound subjects -- it's Kate Gosselin and I -- or if it's just sloppy grammar. Do these same young people go into a job interview and say, "Me and my friend want to work here?"
I heard someone calling for LBP last night, when 'certain ones' were on the thread... (Hey, Anonymous). Anyway, the article released today about DWTS All-Star's Pro, Tony Dovolani calling his past contestant "partners" out on their mental disorders was absolutely RICH.
Poetic Justice, Kart. I'll add the link if it has not been done already. (Something like "DWTS Tony Disses Kate AGAIN!!"... haha)
Moose Mania said... 158 You know this may be an unpopular opinion but as funny as Tony is when he spouts off about Kate, I think he needs to stop.
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I agree. It's run its course and it starts to wear thin after awhile. There are times when you need to know when to zip it, and this is one of the times. ---------------- At some point, criticizing your dance partners will reflect poorly on Tony's image. Up the road, he may miss out on an opportunity. reality dhow participants need to be discreet and keep their mouths shut. I can't say that I blame him--she is an absolute nightmare! I just don't want him to be a victim of the Kate Kurse.
lisalightnerll @SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 @CouponCabin She does! Much prettier in person. And very nice. If we were neighbors, we'd drink wine together.
Ah, these delusional sheeple and their fantasies. Kate's nice? Did she expect her to lash out at her at a convention, or give her the finger if she asked for a picture? I don't think CC would take too kindly to that. Of course she's nice when she wants to be, or told to be!
mama mia said... 200 Who is letting Kate and her team keep Jon in the loser douche bag position? It feels like they have some arrangement to keep the press going. --------- Jon seems to be doing it to himself by sounding off in his recent media activities about having to pay Kate, who has so much money, and that the state is threatening him with prison. he claims that if he pays his support he will lose his house. Kate's attorney publicly responded, saying that jon has been relieved of all current and future support payments. However, he does have to pay his outstanding balance.
Tucker's Mom said... 152 I actually feel bad for Tony. Kate's ghost will haunt him forever. A moment on his hips, forever on everyone's lips.
You did it again! I had to hunt the Windex and micro cloths to clean the monitor and keyboard from the snort residue of Diet Doctor Pepper after reading that. You crack me up and I needed it after today :)
Border Collie......172 My rescue is about 7 months. He spent about the first half of his life as a stray. The second half in a rescue center and the last two weeks before adoption he was in foster care.
He has been with us for about a month! He is very smart potty trained already , a couple of commands,sit and stay! The only thing he does is bite! I'm afraid he is going to bite someone in the street! I'm the one that spends the most time with him, so he is always biting me!
My hubby teases me and says he only bites me because he is " Team Kate"! But all kidding aside I would like to fix this problem! Maybe Dog Whisperer??
Tweetle I am going to have to totally disagree with you. Admin's source has given her nothing that wasn't withering the tabloids or had been speculated about.
I must have missed the tabloid articles about Jon getting more custody and Kate being abused as a child. Although the latest People article did say that Jon's custody time gives him "plenty" of time with the kids. Seems an odd thing to say for someone Kate claims only gets them 4 days a month.
I just read the new story on Radar about Kate! Who feeds them these stories! She really does look old for 37, wow, the weight loss, the tanning, and that hairdo doesn't help. Just because you can doesn't mean you should!
She does not want to give up! I think the last time was just to easy for her!
Kate, stay home and take care of your kids! Even if it's only 50% of the time!!
I nominate Kate Gosselin for the worst mother of the year!!! Oh, also for the worst Ex-wife of the year!!
I must have missed the tabloid articles about Jon getting more custody and Kate being abused as a child.
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Who has speculated in the past that Jon has 50/50 custody? Was it on this blog, or another one? I missed that in the tabloids, too. Was this online, or in the Star and EQ? What was their source?
No that about 50/50 custody and Kate being abused as a child haven't been in the tabloids...but they haven't been proven in any way, shape, or form. Other things that have come out that Admin said were true had been speculated about elsewhere and hinted at before it came out as true or false. I think you can pretty well figure some things out from events especially if you are really diligent in hunting for info. That said I think Admin may have a source but I do not believe that source knows as much ad Admin hopes or believes. I am afraid Admin, that you may be being played a little and used by thus person to start rumors just because you have this blog and your posters hate Kate.
Is anyone watching Anderson Cooper 360 tonight? Its about children brought up in fundamental christian families. Its so infuriating to think that anyone would do that to children.
Confirmed that's okay you're entitled to be skeptical. The funny thing about sources is that I can't give you enough information to reassure you no one is being "played" without disclosing who they are. It's not really important anyway what we chose to believe, what's important is these kids are spending more time with their daddy.
What I find most telling... is Robert Hoffman, of GosselinBook.com proclaims he remains friends with Jon Gosselin.
In my memory, I can't recall a time when the co-subject of a tell-all book, continued to be civil with the Author. (Think Sarah Palin vs. the creepy neighbor expose'!) Jon's character, good or bad... is a force to be reckoned with. I love his candor-- and if he now has 50/50 custody, that's also superb.
I don't hate Kate!! I hate that she exploited her children for fame and money! I hate that she is a scam artist! I hate that she is a poor role model to young and gullible fans! I hate that she is a master manipulator! I hate that she calls people who call her on her crap HATERS! I hate that she thinks we are all stupid and believe the lies that come out of her mouth! I hate that she constantly gets rewarded for horrid behavior! I would go on but I have other things to do this weekend!
Kate looked pretty today and professional. The dress was appropriate. She was the intended "star" of the CC event. She was expected to meet and greet, to take pictures and to look nice. She is still a celebrity, old or new.
She is doing her job that she was hired to do. She did not have her kids with her, and is making it on her own. That is good. Mother's have to leave their kids every day to work. What about Military Moms? It is hard on any Mom, and KG is no different. People, she loves her kids.
I have watched her for a long time. And she does want her children to be proud of her, that I would believe. Even when they were little, she would fix her self up, as best she could, for the little ones. They would notice, and they liked it. She did too.
As long as the kids are with Jon and not dumped on a nanny I don't have a problem with her doing some kind of meet and greet in NY for work. Whatever, she's happier away from home anyway. I don't recall anyone really complaining about the concept other than it shows how far she has fallen as well as the predictability of her prancing around to nail polish swag booths and things like that. OF course. This is different than when they used to be just dumped on a nanny. That I took issue with.
As for lots of moms having to work from home or be in the military, true, but I've never heard any of them say how much they love being away from home, would prefer to be away one week and home the next, and even instructing folks back at home not to call them. I don't recall anyone but Kate saying things like she learned to love the kids from afar and keeps in touch by text. I remember THAT interview, from April 2010. It's on the blog somewhere in that month.
On an off topic note, Prince William and Kate are so cute cheering on Missy Franklin. They are such good sports and always seem so happy doing what so many mediocre are doing tonight--watching this on TV or actually there. There was no boxed seat for them they were just kind of stuck in the middle of the stands.
I have watched her for a long time. And she does want her children to be proud of her, that I would believe. Even when they were little, she would fix her self up, as best she could, for the little ones. They would notice, and they liked it. She did too.
+++++++++ Seriously? On what universe have you been watching? When they were little, she shleppped around the house in her stretch pants/tee shirt uniform. She dresses up for herself and the cameras. Always.
I see she found her Twitter tonight to implore today's fans to block the bullies. Would that include the person who asked about her relationship with Skeeve?
I have watched her for a long time. And she does want her children to be proud of her, that I would believe. Even when they were little, she would fix her self up, as best she could, for the little ones. They would notice, and they liked it. She did too.
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I've watched her for a very long time too. It looked to me she couldn't care less what her children thought. Or Jon. Or anybody else. Her only thought was how could people help her and how to make them help her without bothering her. Making her children proud of her never entered her mind. That would involve caring.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 28 As long as the kids are with Jon and not dumped on a nanny I don't have a problem with her doing some kind of meet and greet in NY for work.
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Are you against all working mothers who use nannies or does that rule only apply to Kate Gosselin?
I guess you are assuming that Jon doesn't have to work since the NY event took place during a regular work day.
Sherry Baby 6 -- Not to be the grammar police or anything, but ME and Kate is correct in this instance. It's a compound object not a compound subject. The implied "A picture of" is omitted (Drop Kate and one wouldn't say "a picture of I"). I agree with you, though, that it's a common, and grating, error. OTOH, a lot of people also misuse the subjective pronoun too. It's funny that it only seems to occur in the singular and not the plural. I don't recall seeing or hearing "We" and "Us" misused in the same way.
Anon -34: I have no problems with a working mom using a nanny. I do have problems with Kate because she has repeatedly claimed NOT to use a nanny (hence the "Not-A-Nanny" references you see raised her from time to time) when she has used 2 or 3 at a time. She does this to try and make herself look like some ubermom in order to further her career. For the record, I take issue with most people who are two faced like that. Sadly, she's not only lying to herself and her fans, she's lying to her 8 children and invalidating the experiences they are having.
If Kate had been honest from day one she might actually still have a television career and all the endorsement deals that were in the works back when the show was on.
Kate also has traveled extensively, especially when she as on DWTS, and what irked me then and irks me still is that purposely left her children with a nanny rather than their father, simply out of spite.
So, as Admin stated, I'm glad the kids see their father more regularly and that she's not leaving them with nannies anymore. A parent is always preferable, if it's feasible.
And to answer your question about Jon working or not working, I know he runs his own IT consulting business. It could be that he is working a job that allows him the flexibility to schedule his work around his kids. That is the reason I work from home and it's fairly common where I live. He may be telecommuting. He may not have any gigs right now. I don't know. And that is how it really should be, don't you think?
I think the scene that is being referenced regarding Kate dressing up for her kids was the tummy tuck episode where Mrs. Glassman paid to have her hair done, makeup, etc. and she came into the nursery and went up to Hannah and said something to the effect of "Is Mommy pretty?"
I give her this - it was one of the few times I felt she was genuinely happy to see her children and the adoration on her toddler daughter's face was precious.
Unfortunately, that was followed by an "It's all about me" statement. Because it is always "all about Kate" for her.
I have said this before and I'll say it again - I think Kate does love her children on a certain level. She just loves her self first, foremost and best.
Kate is also one of those people who hates being at home. She loves to travel, she loves to stay in hotels and be pampered. She loves eating out. My husband's ex is that way. Her idea of roughing it is no mint on the pillow. You know, when she was talking in the press about her reality dating show, the phrase that caught my eye was "She is willing to travel around the country in order to meet Mr. Right."
How convenient. How selfish. She probably has no real desire to date anyone but Steve Neild (a fact she was hinting at back at the Emmy's and in interviews in 2010 when she described her ideal man as being older, gray haired, probably a cop, who would keep her kids in line). So she's going to leave her kids, the kids she claims she loves more than life, the kids she stayed on bedrest for 30 weeks for, the kids for whom she sacrificed by filming a reality tv show, AGAIN in order to travel the country looking for a man. Hmmm...shades of Twist of Kate but with dating rather than stepping into another's shoes for a day or two.
I'm glad it looks like Hollywood isn't interested.
You know what, that doesn't bug me EXCEPT when your kids suffer because traveling is more important than spending time with them.
Silimom -- It didn't seem disjointed and confused at all. I think you very eloquently and succinctly expressed the feelings most of us here have about KK. It's not so much that she leaves the children, and leaves them with a not-a-nanny more often than not, it's that she leaves them so frequently and so gleefully. As you stated, it goes back to DWTS, when KK openly bragged about not letting the kids stay with their father while she gallivanted back and forth to LA for all those weeks, and even before, when J&K were still together. How many parents do you know leave their kids for days at a time and don't bother to call them frequently, or who instruct the other parent (or caretaker) NOT to call them? It just boggles my mind.
Anon@27....are you for real....????????? Everyone here might be too nice to tell what they really think ....but Im not...you must have your head up your ass if you believe all of that bullshit you just spewed....this woman is a crimanal...plain and simple. She should be jailed. Get lost..... Anger issues@1......you go girl.....loved your post....i dont have the patience for these trouble makers...
What irks me about the ROL article is that it is so pro Kate and anti Jon. They make it sound like Kate was so sacrificial giving Jon 50/50 custody and now SHE is sole supporter if the kids. WTF?!? 50/50 custody means that each parent is contributing the SAME amount. both in time and in support. Uggghh..I hope people can see clearly through the crap in the water with Kart.
Looking at it more closely, it's not the same dress. Kate's looks far more expensive and fits her much better, but one has to wonder if she had the dress before this or she ran out and bought one to be more like her friend?
Kate's attorney said Kate was the sole support of her children. That in no way indicates 50/50 custody. Kate isn't paying full support so that Jon can have the kids 50% of the time, except in the wishful thinking of some who can't accept the fact that Kate is supporting her family.
Sillimom, 37 -- you had some good ideas as to how Jon handles childcare. I have some additional ideas of how Jon could be managing. We are both trying to answer Anonymous' doubts.
I remember reading that he lives less than 1/2 hour from his mom, step dad and grandparents. What a great support system. Think they want to see the kids and are willing to pitch in?
Jon also has an involved girlfriend and a support system of other friends that could include some of Kate's estranged family. I think it would be complicated, but I think Jon has ways to deal with shared custody and having a job.
Kate always dresses like a tramp around Steve. So much for complimenting her on the nice dress. It appears it was skin tight, underwear (what there was of it revealed) and nasty hooker heels. She wants to attract attention and it's for one guy only, otherwise she'd have guys lined up.
I was watching an old Jon and Kate plus 8 episode on YT the other day. It was when the Gosselins went to church and then had a picnic at the park afterwards. I couldn't believe my eyes but that was Steve that was sitting next to them at church!Seriously?
Ha, you're right! Kate always seems to copy someone, like Beth or later, 'stars' (or her image of them.)SWF. I think her self-esteem is low, buried under that pseudo-tough bravado.She's the kind of person who thinks possessions, clothes etc make her 'better' than others or on par with those she admires. Thus the HOMs.
Sillimon, If I remember correctly when Kate was on DWTS, Jon still had not decided he wanted to live in PA. Remember he went crazy with women, apt in NY, sports car, traveling to France with hopes of being his own celebrity, sitting on a yacht with one of those early women, smoking, drunk, taping himself in that state. Even dating Kate Majors a reporter for the Star rag mag.He has a long way to prove to me he is the most stablizing force for those children too. Now he has another job, another residence, another woman. Let's see if he can keep this together for the sake of his children.
He is the man who cannot live without a woman. His children are not enough in his life. If he doesn't have a woman, he is out at the bars. He needs 2 jobs to be able to save for the future of making sure he keeps his bills paid and doesn't move again.
Why was he in People Magazine? I would feel better about him if he would stay out of the media, get off of twitter as well as Kate. No innocent parties among Kate & Jon with me.
There area couple of articles on the UK site Daily Mail...don't know if they are taken from the Star etc...but look at Kate's figure in the first pic, ugh.
All this CS, custody, Jon- talk is bringing her back into the news.
KAT said... 44 Anon@27....are you for real....????????? Everyone here might be too nice to tell what they really think ....but Im not...you must have your head up your ass if you believe all of that bullshit you just spewed....this woman is a crimanal...plain and simple. She should be jailed. Get lost..... Anger issues@1......you go girl.....loved your post....i dont have the patience for these trouble makers...
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Wow, is this an example of that respectful dialogue the Administrator of this blog is always bragging about? The person offered an opinion that happens to differ from yours without being remotely a jerk and gets this type of response?
You are right about one thing...you most definitely are not nice!
readerlady said... 35 Sherry Baby 6 -- Not to be the grammar police or anything, but ME and Kate is correct in this instance. It's a compound object not a compound subject. #######
Please forgive me...retired English teacher that I am, I find myself reaching for the proverbial red pen.
"Me and Kate" would never be correct, for these key reasons:
1) We don't travel in the same circles. More to the point... 2) It breaks with grammatical conventions. You'd write/say "I" for the subject of a sentence, "me" for the object. 3) In pairings like this, you put yourself last. It's grammatically correct; plus, it's good manners.
Examples: Kate and I wandered through the convention hall, hamming it up for the cameras. (subject) The paparazzi shoved past the throngs of adoring fans, snapping countless pictures of Kate and me. (object)
Remember: Whether you're the main attraction or not, always put yourself last.
Love your examples! I always remind my kids to take the other person out of the sentence to see if I or me makes sense. Then, put yourself last in the list or pair, as you said.
Boy oh boy, the sheep le are at it! But what can you expect when all the fan blogs are DEAD. They have nowhere to worship Kate. One comment from above that was removed by author is from a rabid sheeple and I know this for a fact. It's better to just skip right on past them, they are angry, bitter and use that same tired old refrain about "how can you criticize a person you've never met"? Well, right back atcha, how can YOU idolize someone you've never met?
Sheesh, go back to your vacant blogs or start your own. You're fighting an uphill battle though, we have all seen for ourselves what incredible bullying, lying, rudeness and child abuse she practices daily. We won't be changing our minds because you worship her.
Funny thing....whenever I see a photo of Kate anyplace, I always check the reflections to see if I can spot Steve, or how many photogs are there (the last few years there doesn't seem to be a mob, usually just one).
Sherry Baby 6 -- Not to be the grammar police or anything, but ME and Kate is correct in this instance. It's a compound object not a compound subject. The implied "A picture of" is omitted (Drop Kate and one wouldn't say "a picture of I").
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You never put yourself first. If you are going to use the "implied," and consider Me and Kate as objects, then yes (here is a picture of Kate and me). Here is a picture of Kate. Here is a picture of me. But it's never "here is a picture of me and Kate."
On the other hand, if it's being used as the compound subject, "me and Kate" with an implied "are" chatting it up, then it is "Kate and I" are chatting it up.
The problem with what was written there is that you don't know what is being implied because it's a sentence fragment. It could go either way. But regardless, "me" never comes first.
I find it amusing that the woman who could not do one tweet about BlogHer before she went can, this morning, give a twitter shout-out to @coffeemate. And funnier too if you stop to think that perhaps the queen of all things organic has never read a coffemate label. Drink it black, Kate. Anyone think BlogHer is on her agenda today?
Oh, and anonymous, do you enjoy sh&@stirring? Your comments are rude and disrespectful, did your other friends toss you out of the sandbox again?
Kate's attorney said Kate was the sole support of her children. That in no way indicates 50/50 custody. Kate isn't paying full support so that Jon can have the kids 50% of the time, except in the wishful thinking of some who can't accept the fact that Kate is supporting her family.
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What Kate's attorney said doesn't even make sense even IF Jon still only had the kids two weekends a month. I assume Jon houses, feeds, and cares for the children. Is Kate giving Jon money now? Please. By very definition that does not make Kate the "sole" supporter.
Also, the web site shows that Jon is paying arrears. Again not "sole" supporter. Moreover, what Kate's attorney is suggesting is illegal under PA law. A court won't just absolve Jon of child support.
Kate's attorney's comment makes no sense under any scenario and was a despicable attempt to further alienate Jon.
Are you against all working mothers who use nannies or does that rule only apply to Kate Gosselin?
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No. I'm against working mothers who use nannies when there is a parent ready and willing to take the children. It's called right of first refusal and Jon has it.
Kara Goucher on the Olympic marathon team is a well-known runner. Kate just started following her. Kara tweeted:
karagoucher For my 100th tweet: thank you all for the love and support! I have amazing friends and fans. Tomorrow I live my dreams!
Kate retweeted her tweet and added "GO KARA."
Milo, of course, jumps in and then tweets(and includes Kara in the tweet):
miloandjack @Kateplusmy8 @karagoucher Kate...U are already livin a dream...#MarathonMom and #MarathonRunner What a life! What a story2tell! :)
If I were Kara and saw that tweet I'd be thinking WTF-who is Kateplusmy8 and who is this weirdo tweeting her? I wonder if Milo even knows who Kara Goucher is.
Hi Jules - Re: Jon in the DWTS era, at that point he was living in PA. He had lost the apartment in NY already, was settling his lawsuit with TLC, and I believe was living with his brother, although he may have had the apartment by then. At the time, Jon had hired an attorney friend of his father's while Kate was on DWTS because he wanted the option of spending more time and caring for his kids when she was gone. The attorney filed a motion for full custody, which garnered a lot of attention and Jon immediately fired him, probably due to his settlement agreement with TLC, or at least that is what many of us suspected at the time. At this time he also sold his BMW to help make his support payments which were rumored to be $22,000 a month and to live on himself.
Jon is no angel. He has made many poor choices in the past. But I think if he has indeed received the 50/50 custody per court order he has done so by trying to be a more responsible parent. That is the only way a judge would increase his custody time. In the end, I wish him, the kids and yes even Kate well. I hope that they can learn to live privately where their family is concerned and cease talking about any custodial or financial issues in public.
"I find it amusing that the woman who could not do one tweet about BlogHer before she went can, this morning, give a twitter shout-out to @coffeemate."
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What's even more amusing is that Kate did not give a shout out to the REAL Coffeemate. Their twitter ID is @Coffee_mate.
I read the articles again about Jon's child support woes and he does seem to be whining about the least amount of child support he could possibly pay, which is having a residence large enough to shelter them when they visit him. He is not on the hook for any of their expenses in terms of braces, eyeglasses, school fees, shoes, uniforms, food and so on. He just has to shelter, feed and entertain them during his custody time. That does make the lawyer correct in stating "Kate is the sole supporter of the parties children". I know it looks like Kate is the better parent because she is picking up the tab, but we all know where she got that money. Still, I am disappointed that Jon is wanting all financial burdens caused by having children to disappear. That is not being a good parent in my books.
He is not on the hook for any of their expenses in terms of braces, eyeglasses, school fees, shoes, uniforms, food and so on. He just has to shelter, feed and entertain them during his custody time. That does make the lawyer correct in stating "Kate is the sole supporter of the parties children".
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How do we know Jon doesn't help pay for these things? The braces are in FACT from a friend of Jon's dad who was a dentist, for free. How do you know Jon doesn't chip in for uniforms and tuition? Not to mention, he's paid a heck of a lot of child support over the years.
If it's 50-50 they are both responsible for them, 50-50. That's why there is no child support when it's 50-50.
Another note, when Kate dips into the family's money from the show to pay for things, is that not Jon paying too? He earned it too. I highly doubt a coupon job can pay the lavish lifestyle she lives. She must be dipping into earnings from the past.
A girl tweeted Jon a picture of meeting him on Sat. July 28th at a local park.
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@jongosselin1 I got to meet you today! Local park by my house! #birthday present pic.twitter.com/QMNfsCtw
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That was the same day Kate tweeted (repeatedly) about shopping with C&M. So it would seem that Jon had the 6 with him at a playground. You can see a bit of the playground in the picture.
What is so interesting is how Jon did NOT let his kids be photographed. And how Jon NEVER tweets about what he is doing when he is spending time caring for his kids - unlike Kate.
And how Jon does not need to keep reminding everyone that he is caring for the kids, playing with them, taking them to parks, feeding them, talking to them, etc... - unlike Kate who constantly has to tweet to tell everyone that she does normal mom duties with the kids in her pathetic attempt to continue the FAKE public image that TLC portrayed for years when the hired help or Jon did it all.
It is clear to me that Jon chooses to enjoy the time with his kids and be fully in the moment dedicating all of himself to his kids.
Kate on the other hand, can't put down her phone and has an addiction to tweet constantly when she is supposedly taking care of the kids.
I for one do believe that Jon has 50/50 custody. And why shouldn't he?!? He is their Father! And though I question some of his actions, he has shown he is a very loving and hands on parent - again unlike Kate.
Luke's Mom what great find and how nice to see one of these parents can do something with the kids without announcing it to the world. She does confirm he had at least some of the kids with him:
Abigail Burkholder @AbigailLovey @jongosselin1 thank you it was nice meeting you, your kids are adorable btw. 😃
Going by the Jon has the kids every other weekend scenario, it doesn't make sense.
Jon had at least the little kids last weekend. Now Kate is completely gone on what should be "her" weekend if you're going by the every other weekend schedule.
Admin, Jon stated in his Star interview (which are direct quotes from him) that he can't pay for his housing. I can't see him paying for half of the kids tuition and other expenses.
I thought the kids have a trust fund from their TLC show income so, in effect, they're paying their own way on many of these expenses. Correct me if I'm wrong:
"The ruling stated that 15 percent of gross proceeds of the show must be allotted to the children's trust funds. The money will be held in trust until the age of 18 however the money can accessed to cover the costs of safety, welfare, education and health needs."
Sherry Baby and Improbable Dreams -- Yes, I do know that putting me first in the "Me and Kate" is incorrect. I was just addressing the appropriate pronoun. Improbable Dreams -- I see what you are saying. I took it to mean that (Here is a picture of) ME and Kate, making it the object of a preposition. I see where it could be assumed that a verb is left out of the phrase instead, making it the subject. Interesting grammar lesson today. Learn something new all the time, LOL. I do agree that grammar is appalling these days. It isn't even being taught in many schools, because the teachers say it "stifles creativity". I have a Goddaughter who is a brilliant student. She graduated from high school at the top of her class, with a number of AP courses and enough college credits to enter college as a Junior. She'll graduate from college at the end of the fall semester Summa Cum Laude, with a number of credits toward her Masters (In Psychology). She cannot write a paragraph that isn't filled with grammar and spelling errors.
Admin -- You asked yesterday if Kenton Kreider was ex-military. I can't find the reference, but I seem to remember someone (Kate?) saying that he'd been in the military and ran the household like a drill sergeant. Take that for what it's worth.
It is easy to compare the two parenting styles of Jon and Kate:
Kate with kids = tweets and tweets and tweets Jon with kids = no tweets
Kate = Exploits the Gkids on twitter , CC blog, website Jon = NEVER uses kids on twitter and asks his followers NOT to ask
Kate = Pays others to HELP her with the kids and around the house Jon = Does it all on his own (I doubt he can even afford to pay for any kind of help)
Kate = Posts pictures of Gkids on twitter, CC blog, website Jon = NEVER posts pictures of Gkids
Kate = Retweets compliments about Herself ALL THE TIME Jon= NEVER retweets compliments – when he receives one, he humbly replies with a thank you only.
Kate= TLC footage documents that she was not a hands on Mom. Jon= TLC footage documents that he was very hands on as a Dad and did lots of work around the house.
Kate= Hates Jon more than she loves her kids – seen over and over when she continues to undermine Jon as a parent on twitter and in the media. Jon= Loves his kids more than he hates Kate, enough to call her a good mom in a recent interview.
Mscatle yes as I recall that trust fund can be touched for educational expenses and other needs. So if Kate is the "sole" supporter and is using that money, really how dare she take credit for that since that's the children's money.
As for other money earned, arguably whatever money she is are dipping into from the past belongs to all ten of them equally, one-tenth is Jon's, one-tenth is Kate's, one-tenth is Mady's and so on down the line. So for Kate to take credit for that too is also disingenuous. Unless she's dipping into Kate Plus 8 money which is still only one-ninth hers and the rest the kids'.
She's got some nerve taking credit for supporting the family when the entire family earned a lot of money TOGETHER.
Thanks for the link. I did read an article a few years back when he just received permission to build the golf resort but I hadn't seen anything since. I googled this and the New York Times did an interview with the director of the docmentary that was online today. He said the golf course has opened up, with a temporary clubhouse, but it hasn't been the economic boom people expected. There aren't the jobs that were promised and the 450-room hotel, the second golf course, hostel for workers and 1500 houses have not been built and probably won't be built. The kicker now is that Trump is objecting to a wind farm that is slated to be built off the coast from his golf course, because he says it will spoil the view. What balls.
I did some more googling and found an article in Britain's "The Guardian" newspaper from June 2011, where Trump says the golf course will open next year but he was putting everything else on hold because of the economic downturn. The economic downturn started in 2007/2008 so you would think he would have stopped the golf course from going through. But not the Donald. I think the Scottish government is going to have alot of explaining to do to it's people. Which leads to the question, when land is legally protected, who are you to decide it becomes unprotected? And to think, the Trump organization called the locals who objected to what he wanted to do a national embarrassment. The Scots are very proud people who love their country and will fight to protect it. They don't ask for much. My great-grandmother was born in Aberdeen but raised in Edinburgh. When we moved there, I felt like it was home.
If the school is too expensive for Jon to contribute half and he has 50/50 custody why does't he have the kids go to public school? I would think that would have been brought before the judge when he granted him 50/50.
I don't have a grammar police license, but I did teach grammar for fifteen years, and Sherry and Dreams are correct. "Me" never comes first, except in Kate's case where "ME" always comes first!
In the sentence fragment under scrutiny, one doesn't know what was implied. Kate and I, as the subject, would be correct. Kate and me, as the object, would be correct. However, me and Kate would never be correct.
Not only do I hear "Me and my friend are big Kate fans," but those darn misplaced modifiers continue to give writers trouble. I just read an article in which Kate was talking about Jon and their relationship, and the author wrote, "Kate Gosselin claims she and ex-husband, Jon, are getting along much better in an interview." I didn't know they were disagreeing in an interview. It should have been written as, "In an interview, Kate Gosselin claims..."
I'm glad that I am no longer teaching in lower school! I am finding that many kids who graduate today with degrees in English have never been taught properly themselves and therefore they are unable to teach grammar effectively. It's a vicious cycle.
Please don't call me out on any grammar mistakes in my post. I am working off the effects of the Rumspringa!
She's got some nerve taking credit for supporting the family when the entire family earned a lot of money TOGETHER.
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Why do Kate and her fans NEVER recognize that the 8 kids WORKED year after year earning all that money?
Luke, I know, the kids never get credit nor does Jon either who contributed to over 100 episodes. The show was only cancelled when JON left, he was a key part of why people watched.
Just because I write a check doesn't mean it's my money. It just means I'm authorized to write the check.
I personally believe a kernel of the story in ROL is correct. Typically how the rags work seem to work is they have one little piece/part of the story that is correct and run with it. The Star and ROL are jointly owned/operated and have in the past, recycled stories and/or parts of them to create a new story. The Jon loses his car story, was run at least a year or so ago and just recently re-run, slightly different, but the kernel of the story was the same, his car was repossessed and he couldn't afford jack.
Perhaps there was a time Jon was worried about not being able to pay support, would go to jail, etc., but I don't believe it's right now and that's a recycled story or being used now so that Kate can play the martyr. I tend to believe admin, that they now split custody 50/50 and therefore Jon supports them when he has him as does she. Add the words 'when she has custody' to Kate's lawyers statement and I believe that's closer to the truth. Might she be paying for some of their insurance, etc., possibly and it could also be split. Their schooling, I would say definitely. There's no reason why the children can't go to public school, except for the prestige, which we all know is important to Kate. It's one thing to pay for one or two children, but with 8 the cost is outrageous. Although if she needs to spend the money the children earned on something, Education is a very good place to start and not something I would object to.
Do I think Jon is probably a better parent? Yes I do, history shows that he was the one that took care of them during the show and tho it was late, saw the damage filming was doing. Did he act out during the divorce, yes he did, although it was over a short time period, apparently Jon will forever be judged and condemned with how he acted during that time.
As for dating Kate Majors, which is in almost every story where Jon is being slammed, he went on a few dates, which were set up by Michael Lohan. He was trying to get Jon's buy-in on a reality divorced dad show, which didn't fly. Lohan and Majors have had a contentious relationship, with her now pregnant by Lohan, who was conceived while there was a retaining order against him. Now there's a warped father, who continues to live his bizarre lifestyle in the public eye!
Just Me it's not up to Jon what school the kids go to. If he has a problem with their school that conflicts with Kate's wishes he would have to ask the judge to change schools. It's incredibly hard to try to convince a judge that children should switch schools once they've been going to a certain school awhile. A judge will almost always ere on the side of keeping them in the same school.
Also maybe Jon would rather go broke than make these children go through another upheaval changing schools. Maybe he's thinking of what's best for them.
Admin, Kate is not stupid. She had her lawyer draft a statement in writing that left no wiggle room on who financially supports their children. She does and Jon does not. He can only contradict her by filing a libel lawsuit against this lawyer. Won't happen.
I don't think it is enough for Jon to grift free stuff for his kids, be it hockey tickets or braces. That is not being a responsible parent. That is being a grifter. Why do his kids deserve free anything over any other child on the planet? They don't. There was enough money made from the show to take care of all of these extraordinary expenses, not mansions, not cars, not private school tuitions, but certainly enough to make sure all have excellent dental and healthcare, a good education, etc.
LOL, my mother used to pull out a grammar book on rainy days during summer vacation ( she was a HS English teacher) Boy, we hated rain, but my sister and I have decent grammar...I noticed on the show Kate had awful grammar & often said "Jon and I" as an object. Ugh. Whoever said this blog is full of illiterate, retired disabled ? (forget exact words) people sure is wrong!
Re: braces. I agree they are freebies, but Kate whined nevertheless and also made fun of the kids' crooked teeth in her snarky way.
Re: school. I think the G kids would be better off in a public school for many reasons. The expense, though, is an important consideration.
Mscatle yes as I recall that trust fund can be touched for educational expenses and other needs. So if Kate is the "sole" supporter and is using that money, really how dare she take credit for that since that's the children's money.
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Admin, the problem is with the way the rule has been set forth by the Department of Labor. The money may be taken out for their "safety, education, welfare or health." The money may indeed be taken out for tuition, as well as for everything else. What is welfare? It's never been defined? Does this mean that the kids pay the mortgage since a house is needed for their welfare? Does safety imply that when they travel and Steve goes along with them, the kids pay Steve? It could be said that he provides them with security (laugh here...). Do they pay the security system bills for the house? What about health? Are they paying for their own immunizations, doctor's visits, braces, etc?
It's also unclear if she has to provide proof, receipts, whatever, that the money is being used for those purposes.
If they are paying for their own tuition, what happens when the money runs out? If Kate and Jon each have to kick in at least $75,000 per year, I really doubt if Jon is going to be able to come up with that money just for the kids' tuition. We shall see.
Just because I write a check doesn't mean it's my money. It just means I'm authorized to write the check.
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She is the only parent I know that publicly complains on and on about how expensive it is to support her own kids. And she is the only parent who at the same time is supporting her kids with money they EARNED. Is this what you call a "WTF" moment?
Mama Mia, do you think attorneys never lie, mislead or play with words? :-) Her lawyer's statement is simply not permitted under PA law and she knows it. You don't get a get out of jail free card. It doesn't happen.
What does "sole" supporting mean anyway? Does this just mean that I'm not getting any child support from Jon anymore? Sure. That doesn't mean that JON isn't supporting them too when he has them 50% of the time.
Kate is not the sole supporter anyway. The kids were responsible for the bulk of her savings. That said in fairness I think her attorney got revved up when Jon was talking about child support and knowing that he doesn't have to pay anymore (because it's 50-50) she lashed out. None of them should talk about child support or support publicly, it's just not appropriate.
The fans can never recognize that the kids worked for the money because they must maintain the fiction that the children were "only playing in front of the camera". Disputing the word of the queen would get them blocked and they can't have that.
Yes, what is publicly known is very vague and I'm sure there's detailed specifics in the written contract of these trust funds on how the money can be spent. That, we don't know. But I would almost guarantee that anything Kate CAN use towards the kids' expenses from their funds she IS using. BTW, vacations, recreational activities for kids probably aren't covered so she would have to spend what she calls, "her own money" on that;)
Re: school. I think the G kids would be better off in a public school for many reasons. The expense, though, is an important consideration.
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If they had started out in a public school, then yes, I would think that there would be no problem. To take them out of a small private school where they are doing well, have made friends, know the daily routine and seem to be well adjusted, only to throw them into a large public school system is not a good idea. They have enough going on in their lives. They don't need one more thing to deal with. Adapting to such an educational environment may be extremely difficult and not in their best interests. Their school right now is their sanctuary. Some kids do well in public school and some do not.
If it comes down to a matter of expense, there are many good small, private Christian schools where they could go. They should have stayed in E-town, enrolled the kids in her old alma mater, and I'm willing to bet that she wouldn't find herself "struggling" with finances. The house would be paid, and she wouldn't have the maintenance and other expenses to deal with. Of course, this may all be a moot point. She may have millions stashed away, and if she can use their money for tuition, then she's going to do it.
If those kids are sent to a public school, we'll know that there indeed are money problems brewing.
Admin, I find Kate's lawyer speaking to the press about the case at all to be, at the very least, highly unprofessional and should be investigated by some kind of ethics committee. As an attorney, what is your opinion of this?
Confirmed? said... 22 ..Kate being abused as a child haven't been in the tabloids...but they haven't been proven in any way, shape, or form. //////////// I don't need a source to tell me that Kate has been abused. Many of her behaviors SCREAM abuse.
But, I hope that we can have a respectful dialogue on a difficult and sensitive subject without shouting each other down. This is not a black & white topic and we are all bringing our own experience into the discussion.
Her inability to form and keep meaningful attachments, her inappropriate use of the word love (her fans) and family (the crew dads) while kicking people who truly love her kids to the curb,, her complete overwhelm when faced with everyday tasks, her endless quest for validation, her body image and food fixations, her controlling approach to life, her disregard and lack of empathy for others, her punitive and withholding parenting style and the emptiness in her eyes (Except when she is in the limelight) and her endless comparing of herself to some imaginary standard are all the behavior of an adult survivor of child abuse. But, the most telling is her shape-shifting identity and the trying-on of different personas. People who have been abused don't have a sense of identity or a center.
An abused child doesn't have the normal reserves of self-esteem and self-regard to cope with the ups and downs of life. So, life is lived in a constant state of emergency, because they do not have the tools for life that a healthy foundation provides. That's why, for Kate, it means that the smallest task can be depleting and lead to a mental and physical exhaustion.
People can change, but they have to be aware, humble and willing--3 words that don't describe Kate. Kate and Jon were children having children, sadly lacking in the tools of healthy relationships and parenting. They aren't the first people to be in that situation, and many who are, navigate just fine by learning new ways of relating and accepting support from their community and functional family members. Regardless of what they think, they are not unique, special, deserving or entitled to short-cut their way through life. If they looked beyond their own noses, they would see that.
It is a tragedy that Kate became so focused and blinded by greed and fame, and that she missed all of the opportunities for growth that presented itself along the way. What is, in my mind, `unforgivable, is Kate's utter refusal to self-reflect and seek help. When two of her children are expelled from their elite KINDERGARTEN, that is a major sign that there is something horribly wrong. At the very least, it is a time to step away from the public eye and protect her children's privacy. Unlike many families who find themselves in crisis, Jon and Kate had the resources to get help for themselves and their children. Kate was so hell-bent on clawing her way to that golden platter, that she forgot to teach her children that who they are is enough.
"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it". Truer words were never spoken. Family scripts are powerful and difficult to break, and without intervention, those poor kids are will go out into the world and repeat their unhealthy family script. Everyone responds to abuse and stress in different ways and all of us have different abilities to cope and rally our resources. While I have admiration for people who can lift themselves up on their own, the more likely outcome is the unconscious repetition of the faulty family dynamics that we learned in our family of origin. For every instance of one success story, their are thousands that never recover from child abuse.
I can have compassion for someone and still be outraged at their behavior. Childhood abuse is never an excuse for unacceptable behavior. But, it provides the only framework that I can see in which her nasty personality traits and outrageous behavior actually makes sense.
I now know why Kate claimed to have OCD, and what it stands for, at least with her.
Obsessive Coffee Disorder.
Kate, I wouldn't you know brag that I couldn't function without that cup of coffee. In a way makes me wonder why you are so tired, all the time, tired from what? Not that I want to know what it is you do at night but come off it already. It's not a compliment or a shout out you should want to put out there that you don't morph into being human unless you have coffee.
Ever tried just you know, getting up and being pleasant because you have to? It won't kill you to at least try and be honestly happy at someplace you have to be. Because that's life doing things you don't want to do and sucking it up anyway. Something you obviously don't really get how to do.
I hope you don't mind if your kids get up when they become teenagers and bite your head off because you woke them up because chances are they won't be pleasant.
BTW, vacations, recreational activities for kids probably aren't covered so she would have to spend what she calls, "her own money" on that;)
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The thing is, though, that she can "fudge" anything. Vacations are necessary for their welfare. Recreational activities are needed for their welfare. She could argue that they need these things because exercise is important to their health and well-being, and vacations are needed as stress-reducers.
Fade she can make public statements if she wants but most attorneys wouldn't especially in family law because most attorneys have a healthy understanding that when there are children involves it's always better not to make public statements. Shame on her for that. If she's deliberately misleading when she makes statements the court might admonish her. If there's been a no discussion of the case order she might get admonished for that too. What I've noticed is that to my surprise, judges tend to really protect their attorneys and give them a lot of benefit of the doubt. Sure they may get a little annoyed with you but I've only ever seen a judge actually threaten sanctions two or three times, and it was for REALLY bad stuff like deliberately not making a witness available to try to delay the case, or chronically showing up two hours late. Attorneys get away with so much else.
She was careful with her words. Her words could have meant Kate doesn't have help anymore when SHE has the kids. She could have meant Kate is the sole provider of the kids WHEN THEY ARE WITH HER. The way she said it gives enough wiggle room for it to be true.
But, it provides the only framework that I can see in which her nasty personality traits and outrageous behavior actually makes sense.
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Then again, she could just have been a spoiled brat who wanted things her own way and didn't get them. People can grow up being nasty, mean and miserable because that's the nature of their personality. I went to school with someone like that. Conceited, arrogant, and just downright nasty. She came from a loving home, given just about everything she wanted, her parents were sweet, kind and generous and never laid a hand on her. She's been divorced three times because none of her husbands could live with her.
While I agree that her behavior screams adult survivor of child abuse, I also think it's important to consider that the abuse may have been perceived abuse.
On the other hand, I think that she having been somehow abused during childhood (at least she perceived it that way, and Jon believed her) is part of the secret between her and Jon. There's clearly something that's happened to her that he is aware of and that they share as a secret between them. Something that hasn't come out publicly yet.
And that maybe shouldn't, either, except that she's the one who has *made* her life a public concern. Can't have it both ways...want the fame but not all the scrutiny that goes along with it.
I also wonder if mental health issues might manifest themselves in ways that look similar to how a child of abuse manifests it in adulthood. Perhaps there are mental health issues and child abuse issues, or one or the other. Hard to tel. The psychological aspect of this all has always fascinated me.
I also wonder if mental health issues might manifest themselves in ways that look similar to how a child of abuse manifests it in adulthood. Perhaps there are mental health issues and child abuse issues, or one or the other. Hard to tel. The psychological aspect of this all has always fascinated me.
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Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child.
It's just like rape. It's not rape if you're with someone you want to be with and consent. It's suddenly rape if you don't consent. It's subjective.
Since Kate certainly does seem to PERCEIVE that she has it so hard, I suspect this might have played a big role in this allegation she made she was "abused." This is not in any way meant to minimize real abuse children have been victim to. Only making the point that how the child sees what happened to them tends to vary.
Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child.
It's just like rape. It's not rape if you're with someone you want to be with and consent. It's suddenly rape if you don't consent. It's subjective.
Since Kate certainly does seem to PERCEIVE that she has it so hard, I suspect this might have played a big role in this allegation she made she was "abused." This is not in any way meant to minimize real abuse children have been victim to. Only making the point that how the child sees what happened to them tends to vary.
She is the only parent I know that publicly complains on and on about how expensive it is to support her own kids. And she is the only parent who at the same time is supporting her kids with money they EARNED. Is this what you call a "WTF" moment?
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You're right. When I read about Kate's "net worth," is that "her" money, or does it include what the children have earned? If so, then it's not Kate's net worth at all. Do the children have a "net worth?"
The thing is, though, that she can "fudge" anything. Vacations are necessary for their welfare. Recreational activities are needed for their welfare. She could argue that they need these things because exercise is important to their health and well-being, and vacations are needed as stress-reducers.
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I'm not at all familiar with trust funds, but I would think what can and can't be withdrawn from them is quite detailed and leaves little room for "questionable" requests, and that receipts/documentation would be required for any monies withdrawn. Isn't there an appointed executor of these funds? Anyone?
Also, if accepted educational/medical expenses are used from this fund (necessities), Kate could stretch the life of the funds and might not WANT to spend it for such silly things as giving the kids vacations, extracurricular activities, camps, etc. The kids just don't get to go & Kate can save "her" money for her marathons, NY hair trips and her other flights of fancy.
Ex-nurse 105.....so well said. I think you've nailed it. ------------ The psychological aspect of this all has always fascinated me. So true. Which is why I love reading this blog....the commenters over the years have provided so much insight. I think many of us have our own "Kate" that we're trying desperately to understand. But can't,and maybe never will.
silimom said... 119 Did the Star magazine article come out already? I only have seen the Radar article. ******** I have seen the Star article. It is basically the same as the Radar article.
The only direct quotes from Jon are the same as those in the Radar article. Jon is not quoted as saying he was unemployed, nor is he quoted as saying that it was difficult keeping a job because people recognize from TV.
I believe the author used some "poetic license" to embellish the aricle.
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I'm a bit slow today. Who or what is a "Met"?
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This is what is so very wrong about the statement put out there by Kate's attorney. She now has the sheeple believing that Kate released Jon from child support payments simply out of the goodness of her heart and because she's an amazing person. The attorney knew exactly what she was doing, chose her words carefully, and made Kate look like a saint in the process. This should have been kept private, but in the end, if it's disclosed that there is a 50/50 custody arrangement, her statement will have backfired because it can no longer be claimed that Kate is the sole support of these kids and that she does it all by herself. The attorney should have never made this public.
tammy_vincent @Kateplusmy8 You are one incredible woman Kate. I just read what you did 4 John. U R Wonderful! ♥
I wonder if Kate's brother Kevin was also abused? He seemed very well-adjusted and sensitive to the kids' needs and a great dad and husband ( and brother!)
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I agree with you on most counts. Yes, the expense IMO is the major problem. But Mady claimed some kids teased them, and the two who were expelled had problems and we only have Kate's word they are all excelling and happy. They seem to have a bit of trouble with speech and printing etc. at age 8+ I was thinking a fresh start might be good for the G8 with kid/teachers who might not recognize them as having been on TV or know the 'hot spots' to tease them (Hannah's unnerwears, Collin's constipation, Mady's tantrums etc. etc.) Or is that impossible where they live?
As for friends, we don't know - a poor showing at the tups' party, no one ever mentioned invited over. The early wake-up Kake complains of, and the long bus ride where they are so ravenous they have a 'bus snack.' Not being local idk, just a thought public school might be more even ground for them all-round.
Was Kate into the rumspringa last night? That may be why she is a little sluggish this morning.
I love that Jon posted about going back to work on Monday. I bet he has been on vacation. Would explain why he has been on twitter silence. He probably had the kids while he has been on vacation. Kate hasn't really said much about the little ones at all in weeks. She has only mentioned the twins a few times.
As far as the articles go. I think they were made up. Yes they may have had some facts from long ago that are just being recycled to get Kate's name out there.
Thanks, Admin. Truth or not I would immediately fire any attorney who spoke of my case outside of court, but that's just me and my ethical self.
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The question is whether Kate gave her attorney permission to issue a public statement. If she did, then shame on both of them. However, even if Kate told her to go ahead and make the statement, the attorney should have had enough professional integrity to tell Kate that none of it should be made public, and then refuse to issue a statement.
Ex Nurse 105 -- Excellent post! Very enlightening.
Admin -- KK has said she was the neglected middle child and we keep referring to her as the middle child, but when I was looking for that reference I thought I remembered about her father being in the military, I came across several articles that stated that she was the second born child. Since she has 4 siblings, that doesn't make her the middle child. Can anyone from the area who is in the know clarify this?
I was thinking a fresh start might be good for the G8 with kid/teachers who might not recognize them as having been on TV or know the 'hot spots' to tease them (Hannah's unnerwears, Collin's constipation, Mady's tantrums etc. etc.) Or is that impossible where they live?
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That's impossible where they live. Word would get around very fast who these kids are, and that they were on television. Teachers would, of course, be briefed. They'd have to be because of security concerns. I think that taking them out of their school at this point and putting them in public school would not be a wise move. If it has to be done, though, then that's what they have to do. These kids should at least be allowed to finish lower school where they are. If expense is a consideration, there are some great private Christian schools in the area for less than half the cost, with teachers who could meet their academic and social/emotional needs.
I also think if they are going to transition to a public school it should be done at a wise time like transition to middle school when lots of kids switch over to a new school. But I think security concerns at a public school are kind of insulting to the good people of PA. Lots of celebs have their kids in public school. It's not that big of a deal. A public school with the right training can keep paps off the property or other people having problems. Lots of public schools have security already on payroll and part of the budget. Even I did growing up in a little farm town!
Public schools have more experience with security than you might think, the odd estranged father trying to pick up the kids, things of that nature, they have to be trained to deal with just like a private school. Madonna had her kids in public school and there was never a problem and she's far more photographed than Kate.
I have been trying to post messages for 2 days. Each time I do it says it was published and then disappears.
Do you think Kate had too much rumspringa last night? Perhaps that would explain her sluggishness today.
Also I am glad that Jon posted he was going back to work Monday. I am betting he has been on vacation hence his twitter silence. I am sure he has had at least the little ones. Kate really hasn't mentioned much about them in weeks and very little of the twins.
As far as the articles that came out I am guessing that is all from Kate's camp. There is small truths from long ago that are being rehashed as new. I am sure they are there to either cover her butt for the new book coming out or to get people interested in her again for her dating show.
Admin said...She was careful with her words. Her words could have meant Kate doesn't have help anymore when SHE has the kids. She could have meant Kate is the sole provider of the kids WHEN THEY ARE WITH HER. The way she said it gives enough wiggle room for it to be true. ________________________________________________
Where's the wiggle room in this statement by Kate's attorney:
As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children," she said.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 115 Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child.
It's just like rape. It's not rape if you're with someone you want to be with and consent. It's suddenly rape if you don't consent. It's subjective.
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You are comparing the subjectivity of whether a spanking is or isn't abuse to rape? If you do not consent,it is rape. There is nothing subjective about it.
Berks: Do you think the kids are still security risks? There must be a lot of wealthy children at the school ( kidnap risks etc.) I take your word for it as you're local! I just hoped as time goes by post-JK+8, maybe people or at least kids would not know all that the show depicted. So I guess the kids are still 'famous?' That's sad how they are stuck between reality TV and real life.
The Christian schools sound good but honestly Kate does not strike me as a Christian !
Where's the wiggle room in this statement by Kate's attorney: As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children," she said.
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Plenty of wiggle room. Kate didn't fight Jon when he asked for 50-50 and didn't fight him for child support. Because she can't anyway, because it's 50-50. All it means is Kate didn't fight the inevitable. In that sense, good for her not trying to stop 50-50, although I'm sure it was self serving. That's what the kids need.
With the custody being 50/50 Jon would also have access to those trust funds to pay for the kids education and health.
Admin, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the kids for their father to be able to afford a place to live? I think it is unrealistic for the judge to expect Jon to pay for half of the kids expensive school.
With Jon having the kids half the time now he will have to pay for babysitting while he works. Granted they are in school during the school year but what about days off of school?
Can't Jon take some of the trust fund money to pay for the babysitters? And could he take some to take the kids on a vacation?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 116 Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child. //////////// One of the hallmarks of a dysfunctional family is that each child assumes, or is given, a different role--We comment on this all the time. Think about how different H's tell-all will be from J's.
In my own family, we had 4 children, with my brother being 4years older than my older sister, my older sister being 4 years old and my younger sister being 7 years younger. So, 4 children over 15 years. If you read our biographies, you would think we all came from different families. Our father was a depressed alcoholic and my mother was his codependent who was too depleted from coping with my father that she had little nurturing left for us. This is a pretty typical dynamic in alcoholic family. My brother was a physically and sexually abusive to me and emotionally abusive to my youngest sister. My older sister had an accommodating disposition, while I was headstrong and rebellious by nature and my youngest sister was quiet and withdrawn. I was severely beaten by my father and my younger sister, being born to my parents late in life (for the times) was basically neglected. So neglected, that she succumbed to our creepy uncle's sexual abuse at age thirteen because she was starved for affection. Now, we were a nice middle-class Jewish family--none of this was seen to outsiders. My parents were active in politics, temple and community organizations. My father was a sign painter that started his own business. My mother earned a Bachelor degree and a Masters in Special Ed after she had kids. The apparent 'normalcy' of my family, in which reality didn't match the image, created a doubt in my own perception. I started acting out as a teenager--shoplifting, drug experimentation, skipping school, etc. ,--in essence creating an image that matched my reality.
So, in my family, it was every man for themselves. We never knew which of my father's personality would show up-kind and loving, raging or depressed. My brother was a workaholic who retired and lives on a boat--he is a full-fledged alcoholic and his wife left him after 40 years of marriage. My older sister is married to a sex addict and is morbidly obese. I married an alcoholic (now recovering) and my younger sister has married someone who is incapable of holding down a job. so, there you have it--we all lived out our family scripts. even my older sister, the Golden Child.
When children are not valued and treated as being enough, it creates a void in their soul and a lack of identity. It took me 50 years and a crisis in my marriage to realize that other people, my children, money and recognition could never fill that void--only I can do that.
Anonymous you're not understanding what I'm saying. But that's usual for you. Why get so snippy?
I'm saying you might have sex with your husband and you want to, but perhaps later on you have sex and you don't want to and tell him so. All of a sudden it's rape. The only thing that changed was how you perceived the sex.
The point being made is that a lot of "bad" things that happen to us are bad because of how we perceive them. This does not apply to ALL situations, just some. But certainly applies to middle child syndrome.
Little Paige has been gushing for two days over Kate's beauty. She's gone ballistic over this. Does Paige, um, like women? It's not normal, is it, for a supposedly 18-year-old female to be so totally enamored over a 38-year-old mother of eight kids? There's something really, really wrong with that whole thing.
I was thinking about Kate and Milo. If both of them have mental health issues, they could room together in the facility. Milo's life would be so much better with Kate close by and she could heap loving praises on her every day. Kate would be sustained by being told how wonderful, gorgeous, positive, amazing and brave she is. It would be a win-win situation. Light Out Man, though, might have a problem getting both of them tucked in at 11 p.m. if Kate wants to stay up and tweet!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 137 Anonymous you're not understanding what I'm saying. But that's usual for you. Why get so snippy?
I'm saying you might have sex with your husband and you want to, but perhaps later on you have sex and you don't want to and tell him so. All of a sudden it's rape. The only thing that changed was how you perceived the sex.
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No, perception is not the only thing that changed. In your scenario, the person said NO. Hence, it is rape. If you don't say no and decide after the fact that you really didn't want to have sex, it is not rape.
Just Me I have no idea who is permitted to access the trust fund or what Jon or Kate can access. As for babysitting, fortunately for Jon he has kept a lot of relatives in his life including his mother, Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin I'm sure are being very supportive about helping with the kids. And who knows maybe once school starts up they'll work out something else so the kids can be as stable as possible. What I'm seeing a lot more of lately is things being done in the children's best interest, which is a relief.
(This is Remona) Mel said... 111 ''While I agree that her behavior screams adult survivor of child abuse, I also think it's important to consider that the abuse may have been perceived abuse.'' ~~~~~~ Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 112 ''I also wonder if mental health issues might manifest themselves in ways that look similar to how a child of abuse manifests it in adulthood. Perhaps there are mental health issues and child abuse issues, or one or the other.'' ~~~~~ I believe that ''perceived abuse'' AND ''mental health issues'' are both correct!
It is driving me nuts that so many people simply refuse to see (or admit?) that the money Kate is spending is money that was earned by the children and Jon...and Kate. Remona
Anonymous why are you quibbling over this? You're missing the point. The point being that you can often decide if something is good or something is bad, depending on the moment, the circumstances, the person.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 142 Anonymous why are you quibbling over this? You're missing the point. The point being that you can often decide if something is good or something is bad, depending on the moment, the circumstances, the person.
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Because I disagree strongly with your point. Going back to child abuse, there are actions that constitute child abuse whether or not the victim perceives them as such. To say that it all comes down to perception is, quite frankly, offensive.
That's a very sad story. I feel for you & your siblings. You seem to turned out ok- a good career and hopefully achieved some peace and perspective. I'm sure the effects of abuse have lingered though...I was thinking last night how kind a person you are, taking time to give all the Glycine etc advice (I slept fairly well again! That's a great gift to me, even if it doesn't work long-term or all the time. :) ) and to the insomniacs on this blog!
Berks: Do you think the kids are still security risks?
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Yes. As long as there are deranged, rabid sheeple out there (and we have seen that there are), then those kids are still at risk, and will continue to be.
And yes, I am local (about as local as you can get)! I wish right now, though, that I would be someplace cool. Is there any place in the country where it is under 90 degrees?...Washington State, Minneapolis? This heat today is brutal.
Because I disagree strongly with your point. Going back to child abuse, there are actions that constitute child abuse whether or not the victim perceives them as such. To say that it all comes down to perception is, quite frankly, offensive.
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I agree. I never said that. I said "so much" of it is subjective. Not ALL of it. Abuse is abuse, of course. Of course there is nothing subjective about molestation or punching a kid in the face or a host of other things. I specifically referred to spanking, which is legal. One child might not be bothered by a little spanking, another might find it
I never said spanking was okay or not abuse, only that how a child reacts to it can and does vary. This is why so many child abuse cases require children to each have their own lawyer since the kids might be all across the board as to what happened. One kid might say I adore my mom she never hurt me, while another might say my mom beats the crap out of me I'm terrified. This is exactly what happened to the Crawford children, some said she was a nightmare, the youngest said she was wonderful.
Did you also see where I said "This is not in any way meant to minimize real abuse children have been victim to." There is no need to get all upset since I never said what you think I said.
Oddly though, the fans don't seem to care one iota about the kids. The deranged fans seem to be concerned mostly about Kate. Is there ever any examples of a fan trying to come after the kids? Kate is the one Steve said would get threatening packages and so on.
At the end of the day private schools and public schools can both have good security. Just because something has the label "public" on it doesn't mean they are incapable of protecting their students. If anything the kids might be safer at a bigger public school where instead of only one or two third grade classes there are six to try to find them in. Instead of one school bus to try to find them on, there are 50 school buses to try to find them odd. Odds are you would be caught before ever locating them, if the unthinkable ever should happen.
Anonymous said... No, perception is not the only thing that changed. In your scenario, the person said NO. Hence, it is rape. If you don't say no and decide after the fact that you really didn't want to have sex, it is not rape. ///////////////// Huh? You are saying that if someone does not expressly say the word "No", it cannot possibly be rape? You don't know what you are talking about. I suggest that you take the time to go educate yourself. You are free to post whatever you want, but you just lost any credibility with me.
In light of the mental health discussions I found this:
Answering Service At The Mental Institute
"Hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline.
If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.
If you have multiple personalities, press 3,4,5, and 6.
If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.
If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will transferred to the mother ship.
If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press.
If you are manic depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press, no one will answer.
If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the hash key until someone comes on the line.
If you are dyslexic, press 6969696969.
If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address, phone number, date of birth, social security number, and your mother's maiden name.
If you have post-traumatic-stress disorder, slowly and carefully press 000.
If you have bipolar disorder, please leave a message after the beep, or before the beep, or after the beep. Please wait for the beep.
If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9.
If you have low self esteem, please hang up. All our operators are too busy to talk to you."
Berks: lol, 103 F here..it's awful! This summer has been too hot , just as winter was odd, super- mild with little snow, hmmm. Go on over to Kate's for a dip in her POOL!
Anyway the point I was making has really to do with in general how Kate was raised. Perhaps a parent might feel that it is GOOD for a kid to go out and get a summer job when they are 16, to not spoil children with lavish vacations all the time but rather to teach them to be happy to stay at home, to not give their children the best clothes and shoes because it will ruin them. To insist on an orderly house with chores and respect.
One child might come out of that experience thinking I adore my parents, they gave me a firm foundation, I will raise my children the same. While another child might come out of the same exact situation thinking I was denied everything as a child, I never got what I wanted, I had to work so hard when i was a kid when I should have been out having fun, we never went on any trips, I never got the clothes and shoes I wanted. Hence I had a "bad" childhood and I'm going to estrange my parents.
Admin, I would think 50/50 would mean Jon would have the same access as Kate does to the trust funds or he should. It would not be fair to have Kate live in a nice house with the cars and trips she takes and tell Jon you have to come up with your own. He has to provide housing and transportation for the kids on the half time he has them.
Yeah I don't know Just Me. It depends. Financial things are a separate issue from custody decisions but they're related.
That would make sense I just don't know what the arrangement is. Maybe the agreement is Kate controls the money the family earned over six years, but Jon doesn't have to pay for expenses she pays out of this pot. Just a hunch. The problem with them sharing an account is I can see that setting up endless fights. If I were Jon's attorney I might not want to set him up for that kind of failure.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 154 I notice Kate isn't responding to any of the praise about what a martyr she is. I would think she would be all over that if it were true. ___________________________________________
Strange isn't it? She was the first one to publicly tweet her generosity in giving Jon their old BBB.
Although you may have hinted that your childhood wasn't ideal, you have never shared so much of your story until today. You have my sympathy. You also have my admiration for what you have done to overcome a very sad childhood. You seem kind, sensitive and caring.
I have always thought many of gathered here trying to understand Kate as a key to trying to understand a part of our life that was painful.
I have always thought many of gathered here trying to understand Kate as a key to trying to understand a part of our life that was painful.
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I've always thought this is one of the few good things that came out of this situation. So many people have said for the first time I now understand that I had or have a narcissist in my life and it wasn't my fault. I think it's a beautiful thing to be able to recognize and deal with things like that around you instead of suffering in confusion for years.
But, it provides the only framework that I can see in which her nasty personality traits and outrageous behavior actually makes sense. ++++++++++++++ Then again, she could just have been a spoiled brat who wanted things her own way and didn't get them. People can grow up being nasty, mean and miserable because that's the nature of their personality. ======
When Kevin talked about their childhood it seemed to me like he was saying Kate's been lazy and self-centered most of her life. Maybe her parents doled out tougher punishment on her than the rest of her siblings in an attempt to turn that laziness around. Kate speaks in code. In her mind hoeing a few extra rows of the garden could very well mean abuse.
Abuse is hard to define and if you asked ten people what abuse means to them you'd probably get ten different answers.
I agree she might have been a spoiled child, maybe very stubborn and lazy, with a Tom Sawyer whitewash-my-fence-for-me attitude, who just blossomed into a full-blown narcissist as an adult.
miloandjack @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 Should be a natural instinct/desire 4a father 2provide 4his kids...shame courts have 2do it! Real dads pay.
Kate needs to tell Milo (and others) that she would appreciate it if they don't slam her children's father. Milo needs her tweeting fingers slapped. She's getting a bit more aggressive in her attacks on Jon.
I thought Milo and Kate were so close. Milo tweeted that there were many things she couldn't disclose. Wouldn't you think, then, that Milo knows everything that was happening within the courts and Jon's increased custodial time?
Is Milo a male or female? It's driving me nuts. No woman slobbers over another woman like this, unless there's a female-to-female physical attraction.
miloandjack @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 Should be a natural instinct/desire 4a father 2provide 4his kids...shame courts have 2do it! Real dads pay ______
Don't real mother support their children and not the other way around?
Don't real mother never say anything bad about their child's father even if she hates his gut?
Hey Milo, Real Moms like to be with their children. Real Moms woud sacrifice a summer of expensive hair treatments in order to gve their kids a vacation, if that's what it takes. Any one who tweets, feel free to share that with Milo. Who probably is only hinting that she knows anything 'real'. Pathetic.
Guess Kate is still sluggish per her twitter absence. So exhausting to mee and greet all day.
I thinks it's awfully coincidental that since the G8 aren't marketable any longer and therefore can't support Kate, she now agrees to go into a 50/50 custody arrangement. That to me is a stronger indication that she planned to have a HOM birth as a stepping stone to fame, freebies and big money.
admin, 162 said...I ask as others have why is this inconvenient truth so blatantly ignored?
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Because it's Milo and other sheeple. There are none so blind as those who will not see. There are none who are so much in love with Kate as Milo and Paige. They will never see the truth, even if it's put right up in front of their eyes in black and white. In their world, there is nothing such as critical thinking. Their reasoning ability has been totally eradicated when it comes to Kate. She's the hero; Jon is the villain, and so shall it be forever after.
Auntie Ann, 165 said...I thinks it's awfully coincidental that since the G8 aren't marketable any longer and therefore can't support Kate, she now agrees to go into a 50/50 custody arrangement.
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That, plus the fact that she's tired of them. They are no longer cute little toddlers with people to fuss over them, thus making her feel important. They serve no purpose. They are just ordinary kids, and she's had enough of it.
@NoraSaysNo lol no. Back home with my babies... Who are not babies but big kids who hold funny conversations :) missed them!
Yes, she's definitely back home, because she's twittering up a storm. Kate, if you missed them so much, why are you on twitter and not doing something with them?
I recall somewhere a remark made that as a child at times Kevin took punishment for Kate's misdeeds. Anyone else remember that? Did Kate say that on a couch interview? I'm looking and trying to find it.
I'd like to know when Kate EVER supported her family! If it weren't for the KIDS there would be NO SHOW, thus no big house, no millions, no fame for her, no three cars, etc etc.
What has she ever ever done to support her family??? At least Jon works!
I don't think going to public school would be some horrible thing for the kids. It certainly wouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened to them. And yes, we can and do provide tight security in public schools. I see no reason why a public school would be more lax about security than a private school!
Also why is it assumed they'd go to a huge public school?
Nurse, 150 said...Huh? You are saying that if someone does not expressly say the word "No", it cannot possibly be rape? You don't know what you are talking about. I suggest that you take the time to go educate yourself. You are free to post whatever you want, but you just lost any credibility with me.
Exactly. If an intruder comes into a home and rapes a victim, then it's not rape if she doesn't struggle, doesn't say "no" because she is in shock, she knows that putting up any kind of a struggle may result in her being murdered, or she is chloroformed? What about those who have been given a date rape drug? That isn't rape either?
She files a police report, but a rape charge wouldn't stick because she didn't say "no?" Good grief...
What's Next? said... 172 I recall somewhere a remark made that as a child at times Kevin took punishment for Kate's misdeeds. Anyone else remember that? Did Kate say that on a couch interview? I'm looking and trying to find it.
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Yes, I remember that, although not if it was said during a couch interview.
What's Next? said... 172 I recall somewhere a remark made that as a child at times Kevin took punishment for Kate's misdeeds. Anyone else remember that? Did Kate say that on a couch interview? I'm looking and trying to find it. August 4, 2012 12:46 PM ______
She said when she did inside Kate's world.
She said something like Kevin to her punishment when she did something wrong.
Kate needs to tell Milo (and others) that she would appreciate it if they don't slam her children's father. Milo needs her tweeting fingersslapped. She's getting a bit more aggressive in her attacks on Jon.161
Twittering, I think for Kate it's not enough that her fans adore her; they also need to hate Jon in order to stay in her good graces. One of them had the audacity to tweet Jon (apologizing for nasty things she had said to/about him) and she was punished with"severeness," IIRC she was blocked from Kate's twitter.
But Milo's tweet is mild compared to some what the other die hard sheeple say about Jon. Lots of misandrists in that crew.
Kate is a twit said... 171 Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
@NoraSaysNo lol no. Back home with my babies... Who are not babies but big kids who hold funny conversations :) missed them!
Yes, she's definitely back home, because she's twittering up a storm. Kate, if you missed them so much, why are you on twitter and not doing something with them?
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TootyTa @TootyTa @Kateplusmy8 @NoraSaysNo @coffeemate Grifting again? So unbecoming.
7m Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 @TootyTa @NoraSaysNo nope. Just talking about products I believe in and love...Don't we all? I like tooting horns of comps who deserve it! ________
HAHAHAHAHAH I thought Kate didn't answer her haters or care about them.
Are Jon and Kate living in separate school districts? One of the very few nice things about a divorce is that it often opens up an opportunity to have a choice of two school districts, either the mother or father's, whichever is better suited for the kids.
A recently divorced friend of mine was happy about one thing, finding an apartment in the best school district around. He put his kids on the lease and as quick as that they could enroll. Public school security has increased even more in the past decade due to school shootings. If anything you're safer at a public school with lots of security presence and metal detectors. Not ideal but it's a misnomer to assume they are not as secure. It's a "limited" public place, they have every legal right to kick out a photographer or fan causing problems and call the cops.
I don't really consider their current private school all that protective when they splashed all those videos of the kids at their graduation or doing Sound of Music on Vimeo.com. That's hardly thinking about how could easily find those and spread them around--exactly what happened. It resulted in a lot of comments about the kids not being able to keep up with the hand motions, the whole thing was awful and tells me this private school doesn't have the first clue how to protect celebrity children. There are many public schools that wouldn't DREAM of putting up a video of any of their children without parental consent.
Also why is it assumed they'd go to a huge public school?
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Because they would have to go to the school within their district, and it is a large public school system compared to where they are now. In the public school, there are more kids in one elementary school than the total number of students in lower, middle and upper school in their current school. The student-teacher ratio in the public school averages 16 to 1; in their current school it averages 6 or 8 to 1. So yes, it would be huge to them.
I'm a public school administrator. At our school, there's only one set of doors you can enter and they go to the main office. You cannot access the school before you go to the main office and speak to the secretary.
Parent and community volunteers have to have a clear criminal background check on file to volunteer in the school, and we run that check in 50 states. It's more expensive, but we decided several years ago it's worth it.
Even if you work for the school district and are picking up your child, you have to show ID and we check the list. Even if you claim to be a grandparent and the child obviously recognizes you, you CANNOT take them with you without permission from parent(s) on file.
We have shelter in place drills for when a dangerous person is loose in the school. All children and teacher go to the least visible portion of the classroom, lights off, door locked, totally silent, and they don't open the door for any reason whatsoever.
There has to be signed parent/guardian permission on file to use a child's likeness in any way. Image, video, audio, even student work.
I could go on, but you guys get the point. Security and safety are paramount. If the students and teachers don't feel safe, we can't have a productive school day. No measure is too big or too small to protect kids and teachers.
AuntieAnn said... 167 I thinks it's awfully coincidental that since the G8 aren't marketable any longer and therefore can't support Kate, she now agrees to go into a 50/50 custody arrangement. ---------------------
I couldn't agree more. Over a year ago I posted on another blog that as soon as the kids stopped making money for her she would be more than happy to give Jon more time with them. Looks like she waited about a year after filming stopped and since no other offers came through Jon is now good enough to be with them more. Besides it gives her a babysitter for all those times she is away doing nothing of importance.
I also figured when she found herself becoming a nobody she would all of a sudden take an interest in the locals. She couldn't be bothered to give anyone the time of day before and now that she is desperate the community is good enough for her.
I hope no one thinks I'm arguing about the school thing. It's really not even a debate, since there's no factual reason to think they're switching schools this year.
I just took a bit of offense at the idea that going to public school would be so awful for them. ;)
I don't really consider their current private school all that protective when they splashed all those videos of the kids at their graduation or doing Sound of Music on Vimeo.com.
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If Kate didn't sign a statement prohibiting the filming of those kids, then they were within their rights of publishing the videos. If such a form wasn't signed, they are not going to through every single photo to see if the kids show up in them. The school would know the permission slips they have on file.
If she did sign such a statement, then the videos shouldn't have been released. It's really tough, though, when you have a program in which so many kids are involved. What is the school going to do -- refuse to show any of the kids participating in their program because a few of the Gosselins are in them? Is that fair to the other kids? Is it fair to the Gosselins not to be able to participate with the other students because of videotaping? It's a very tricky situation.
I was doing heavy duty therapy with a sibling a while back. He kept bringing up how us older kids had everything and he didn't. Poor abused, picked-on him. I couldn't seem to get thru to him that everybody gets some things and not other things.
I finally got so mad about this that I made a ledger with columns headings and a check mark if that was true for you. I had each of us five siblings fill it out for themselves only.
What an interesting excercise. I learned a lot about the other siblings' perception of their childhood in the process!
What came out of it, and very clearly, was that each of us received different plus's and minus's from our parents. Completely unintentionally, because they did their best to treat us all fairly and equitably.
But times change, finances change, parents age, and things are different as time goes on.
For instance, I started working at age 14 and have never stopped. He didn't start working until age 22. His college was paid for (they had more money by then), my other siblings and I did not have college paid for, and some of them couldn't go.
We all paid for our own clothes, eyeglasses, dentist, starting at age 14. He's never paid all of his own bills.
I got to be in band (musically gifted), he didn't (tone-deaf). The other brothers were in Boy Scouts (dad was the troop leader), this brother wasn't (by then dad was wearing out).
He got to be in football and other sports. I didn't get to do any after school activities cuz I had to babysit him. The other brothers didn't because they had to go to work after school.
He got to go on plane trips (alone) with mom and dad throughout his childhood; the rest of us never flew anywhere until we were middle-aged adults.
My other siblings and I rarely got to do anything alone with mom and dad. We either did things as a family, or dad took one of us and mom stayed home with the other kids. We were sooo jealous that he got to go on trips alone with mom and dad.
Some brothers earned scholarships to a nature camp, something this one didn't do. Turned out that all these years he thought mom and dad paid for that camp. Nope. Those brothers *earned* that camp with their hard work.
Mom and Dad went to all of his sports games. They never came to my band concerts as a pair, cuz someone had to stay home with the younger kids.
I always had to babysit the younger siblings, especially him (mom was very ill after his birth), and thus was not allowed any social life whatsoever, which I really resented.
He, being the youngest, had all kinds of social life, but what he really wanted was the bonding we older siblings had.
It was just the give and take of family life. Some things you get, others you don't.
Funny how that stupid ledger I made opened the door to all kinds of dialog between us all.
We knew he was devastated when dad was killed in an accident when he was only 15. But he had no idea that I went back to work full-time in order to help out mom. He didn't know that another brother paid off the house and the sole propietorship business debt. All those grocery store gift cards that arrived anonymously in the mail? Yep, that was me. Never told him, or mom.
Give and take.
He wasn't neglected, like he'd been thinking he was. He just got different things than we did, due to evolving financial circumstances, older parents, times changing.
I can see Kate in this scenario thinking that she'd been "abused". But she wouldn't have been.
omg, some mother asking KATE what to do with a 3 week old infant with a fever ! That's serious. Kate said pediatrician, better than her usual advice- I'd say ER if really hot + other S/S. How clueless are people?
Kate is a twit: Kate also must have taken the twins to NYC, cause Jason her hair guy, tweeted back to Kate that he met the girls. I don't think he was talking about Kates boobs. If that is true, and PB was with Kate who was with the girls, while Kate was at the blogher convention. Did kate take the not hired nanny help with and sent the tups to dad? sounds like it. Also, since maybe if true Kate is actually home, she could be lying, CC only paid for 1 day, and Kate was there for show(as in arm candy show) not there to learn anything or give out info. Perhaps CC got wise to Kate, maybe they figured that Kate might network herself, and not CC(she did that on the Today show). So they brought her there for 1 day. I bet that PO Kate.
Lord, has she come up for air with this tweeting since being with her kids? I don't even go on twitter, but every two seconds, there's a new tweet from her at the top of this page.
The sad thing is I'm quite sure the kids are used to her ignoring them by now.
Is that fair to the other kids? Is it fair to the Gosselins not to be able to participate with the other students because of videotaping?
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They can film whatever they want. They just don't have a right to put it on a public video site. There are a million ways to upload videos to private locations on the internet. Vimeo has a very simple function that's pretty foolproof where you can password protect your videos. They ended up doing this after some creepy fans spread them around. They should have thought to do that the first time around.
I don't care if Kate did or didn't opt out, a school protective of celebrity children should have known to password protect their videos or at least double check with Kate about this. As I recall Kate was horrified when she found out, she obviously was not consulted or doesn't remember being consulted.
Thanks, Dmasy and Once a Viewer and other supportive folks! Somehow my life has led me to the right places to find healing and serenity in my imperfect life. I have a good relationship with my family. we definitely bring the fun in dysfunctional! Now that my children and niece and nephews are in the stages of life where we are celebrating weddings and graduations, we have had happy times together.
What's next- I remember some version of that. It is a great reminder that any situation can be improved if approached with a sense of humor.
On to my immediate problem of figuriing out my patio planters. It is a beautiful sunny day in Seattle. Our cold nights keep it from getting too uncomfortable. I'm from Chicago, so I do know what hot is!
Over In Berks said... 147 And yes, I am local (about as local as you can get)! I wish right now, though, that I would be someplace cool. Is there any place in the country where it is under 90 degrees?...Washington State, Minneapolis? This heat today is brutal. ---------------------------------- We are up to 89 today and 90 tomorrow! That is hot for us Washingtonians. I know it doesn't seem hot for most of the country that has been suffering but the problem is that we have what I call "psychotic weather" which makes it hard to acclamate to. It will be 60 one day and 85 the next.
My daughter is leaving for Langhorne, PA on the 18th-she is going to Philadelpha Biblical University (now Cairn University) to play volleyball. She is very stressed out about working out outside in the heat!
I love this blog but all the exciting news this past few days is keeping me from getting my work done. Walk away, JJ, Just walk away from the computer....
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mama mia said... 190
Jon has joint custody now? Gee, I go away for a couple of days and miss everything. Did you guys discuss this somewhere?
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On the thread before this one. Admin confirms 50/50 child support yesterday in a post around 4 pm.
Yahoo, Auntie Ann! This old lady needs her "coils oiled". Lol!!
Who is letting Kate and her team keep Jon in the loser douche bag position? It feels like they have some arrangement to keep the press going.
Just wondering: I don't sit on the computer as you are saying. I have plenty to do. When I am on here I am taking a break. Second I do not do researching of Kate, all the info I have gotten was from watching the show years ago(some of us have good memories), Kate blogs and interview should I choose to read them or watch them(people here give a good account of what was said), and lastly it is just common sense. As I have said before, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what Kate is about or up too. Kate only cares about getting another TV show, she cares about nothing else. Kate has been saying that in recent articles and interviews. If you don't like my opinions then don't read them, or start your own blog.
Mama mia Jon having 50/50 custody was confirmed by Admin from her source. Absolutely nothing that Is fact though.
ROL has an article about Kate being in NYC. Quote from the article:
"The mother of eight stepped out in New York City on Friday squeezed into a skin-tight red bandage dress that left little to the imagination for passersby on the streets of the Big Apple."
They call her "smoking hot". When looking at the picture they have, all I can say is. does Kate know what a slip is?
I can see some real divas on the list of Tony's partners. I hear Susan is nice when it suits her and Martina is a handful. Then there is Wendy and ... ta tas!... KATE.
Some girl just tweeted about 1/2 hour ago... (Tamara?)
"Me and Kate Gosselin chatting it up. Kate Plus 8 Plus Me. @kateplusmy8 #blogher12 #nyc @couponcabin"
Pic of Katie & a CC booth-dweller. Kate's wearing what appear to be near 7" black hooker heels. We were all right again! (Well, I certainly appreciate the "ME and Kate Gosselin" grammar ;)
Kristine
Peep said,
(Well, I certainly appreciate the "ME and Kate Gosselin" grammar ;)
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I've noticed that there is more and more of this usage lately among teens and young people. Sheeple are very guilty of it. Kate does it, too. I wonder if they have never been taught the correct use of compound subjects -- it's Kate Gosselin and I -- or if it's just sloppy grammar. Do these same young people go into a job interview and say, "Me and my friend want to work here?"
I hope there isn't another Lil' Bo Peep!
I heard someone calling for LBP last night, when 'certain ones' were on the thread... (Hey, Anonymous). Anyway, the article released today about DWTS All-Star's Pro, Tony Dovolani calling his past contestant "partners" out on their mental disorders was absolutely RICH.
Poetic Justice, Kart. I'll add the link if it has not been done already. (Something like "DWTS Tony Disses Kate AGAIN!!"... haha)
Moose Mania said... 158
You know this may be an unpopular opinion but as funny as Tony is when he spouts off about Kate, I think he needs to stop.
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I agree. It's run its course and it starts to wear thin after awhile. There are times when you need to know when to zip it, and this is one of the times.
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At some point, criticizing your dance partners will reflect poorly on Tony's image. Up the road, he may miss out on an opportunity. reality dhow participants need to be discreet and keep their mouths shut. I can't say that I blame him--she is an absolute nightmare! I just don't want him to be a victim of the Kate Kurse.
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@SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 @CouponCabin She does! Much prettier in person. And very nice. If we were neighbors, we'd drink wine together.
Ah, these delusional sheeple and their fantasies. Kate's nice? Did she expect her to lash out at her at a convention, or give her the finger if she asked for a picture? I don't think CC would take too kindly to that. Of course she's nice when she wants to be, or told to be!
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Mama mia Jon having 50/50 custody was confirmed by Admin from her source. Absolutely nothing that Is fact though.
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Admin's source has been much more reliable the the tabloids.
mama mia said... 200
Who is letting Kate and her team keep Jon in the loser douche bag position? It feels like they have some arrangement to keep the press going.
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Jon seems to be doing it to himself by sounding off in his recent media activities about having to pay Kate, who has so much money, and that the state is threatening him with prison. he claims that if he pays his support he will lose his house. Kate's attorney publicly responded, saying that jon has been relieved of all current and future support payments. However, he does have to pay his outstanding balance.
Tucker's Mom said... 152
I actually feel bad for Tony. Kate's ghost will haunt him forever. A moment on his hips, forever on everyone's lips.
You did it again! I had to hunt the Windex and micro cloths to clean the monitor and keyboard from the snort residue of Diet Doctor Pepper after reading that. You crack me up and I needed it after today :)
"snort residue"???? I need help! That didn't even make sense to me and I wrote it!
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My rescue is about 7 months. He spent about the first half of his life as a stray. The second half in a rescue center and the last two weeks before adoption he was in foster care.
He has been with us for about a month! He is very smart potty trained already , a couple of commands,sit and stay! The only thing he does is bite! I'm afraid he is going to bite someone in the street! I'm the one that spends the most time with him, so he is always biting me!
My hubby teases me and says he only bites me because he is " Team Kate"!
But all kidding aside I would like to fix this problem! Maybe Dog Whisperer??
OT for capecodmama:
Have you heard about this?
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/02/157609870/in-the-scottish-dunes-its-david-versus-the-donald
Tweetle I am going to have to totally disagree with you. Admin's source has given her nothing that wasn't withering the tabloids or had been speculated about.
I must have missed the tabloid articles about Jon getting more custody and Kate being abused as a child. Although the latest People article did say that Jon's custody time gives him "plenty" of time with the kids. Seems an odd thing to say for someone Kate claims only gets them 4 days a month.
I just read the new story on Radar about Kate! Who feeds them these stories! She really does look old for 37, wow, the weight loss, the tanning, and that hairdo doesn't help. Just because you can doesn't mean you should!
She does not want to give up! I think the last time was just to easy for her!
Kate, stay home and take care of your kids! Even if it's only 50% of the time!!
I nominate Kate Gosselin for the worst mother of the year!!! Oh, also for the worst Ex-wife of the year!!
I must have missed the tabloid articles about Jon getting more custody and Kate being abused as a child.
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Who has speculated in the past that Jon has 50/50 custody? Was it on this blog, or another one? I missed that in the tabloids, too. Was this online, or in the Star and EQ? What was their source?
No that about 50/50 custody and Kate being abused as a child haven't been in the tabloids...but they haven't been proven in any way, shape, or form.
Other things that have come out that Admin said were true had been speculated about elsewhere and hinted at before it came out as true or false.
I think you can pretty well figure some things out from events especially if you are really diligent in hunting for info.
That said I think Admin may have a source but I do not believe that source knows as much ad Admin hopes or believes. I am afraid Admin, that you may be being played a little and used by thus person to start rumors just because you have this blog and your posters hate Kate.
Is anyone watching Anderson Cooper 360 tonight? Its about children brought up in fundamental christian families. Its so infuriating to think that anyone would do that to children.
Confirmed that's okay you're entitled to be skeptical. The funny thing about sources is that I can't give you enough information to reassure you no one is being "played" without disclosing who they are. It's not really important anyway what we chose to believe, what's important is these kids are spending more time with their daddy.
It's not really important anyway what we chose to believe, what's important is these kids are spending more time with their daddy.
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Amen to that.
What I find most telling... is Robert Hoffman, of GosselinBook.com proclaims he remains friends with Jon Gosselin.
In my memory, I can't recall a time when the co-subject of a tell-all book, continued to be civil with the Author. (Think Sarah Palin vs. the creepy neighbor expose'!) Jon's character, good or bad... is a force to be reckoned with. I love his candor-- and if he now has 50/50 custody, that's also superb.
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Oh Amen too, Fido! GN!
Haa... ME & you will chat tomorrow. Getting flat now. Lites out man is smothering me under my brown leather sofa.
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I don't hate Kate!!
I hate that she exploited her children for fame and money!
I hate that she is a scam artist!
I hate that she is a poor role model to young and gullible fans!
I hate that she is a master manipulator!
I hate that she calls people who call her on her crap HATERS!
I hate that she thinks we are all stupid and believe the lies that come out of her mouth!
I hate that she constantly gets rewarded for horrid behavior!
I would go on but I have other things to do this weekend!
Have a great weekend everyone!!
Kate looked pretty today and professional. The dress was appropriate. She was the intended "star" of the CC event. She was expected to meet and greet, to take pictures and to look nice. She is still a celebrity, old or new.
She is doing her job that she was hired to do. She did not have her kids with her, and is making it on her own. That is good. Mother's have to leave their kids every day to work. What about Military Moms? It is hard on any Mom, and KG is no different. People, she loves her kids.
I have watched her for a long time. And she does want her children to be proud of her, that I would believe. Even when they were little, she would fix her self up, as best she could, for the little ones. They would notice, and they liked it. She did too.
As long as the kids are with Jon and not dumped on a nanny I don't have a problem with her doing some kind of meet and greet in NY for work. Whatever, she's happier away from home anyway. I don't recall anyone really complaining about the concept other than it shows how far she has fallen as well as the predictability of her prancing around to nail polish swag booths and things like that. OF course. This is different than when they used to be just dumped on a nanny. That I took issue with.
As for lots of moms having to work from home or be in the military, true, but I've never heard any of them say how much they love being away from home, would prefer to be away one week and home the next, and even instructing folks back at home not to call them. I don't recall anyone but Kate saying things like she learned to love the kids from afar and keeps in touch by text. I remember THAT interview, from April 2010. It's on the blog somewhere in that month.
On an off topic note, Prince William and Kate are so cute cheering on Missy Franklin. They are such good sports and always seem so happy doing what so many mediocre are doing tonight--watching this on TV or actually there. There was no boxed seat for them they were just kind of stuck in the middle of the stands.
Here's a cute pic:
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Prince+William/Will+Kate+Cheer+Track+Cycling/NsczmJddVtM
And apparently when Prince Harry wants a water, he gets up and goes to get it from a vendor himself hehe.
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Prince+William/Olympics+Day+6+Cycling+Track/pag99IvNLRI
I have watched her for a long time. And she does want her children to be proud of her, that I would believe. Even when they were little, she would fix her self up, as best she could, for the little ones. They would notice, and they liked it. She did too.
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Seriously? On what universe have you been watching? When they were little, she shleppped around the house in her stretch pants/tee shirt uniform. She dresses up for herself and the cameras. Always.
I see she found her Twitter tonight to implore today's fans to block the bullies. Would that include the person who asked about her relationship with Skeeve?
She's really adamant tonight they block the bullies NOW. Don't pay any attention to the man behind that curtain!
I have watched her for a long time. And she does want her children to be proud of her, that I would believe. Even when they were little, she would fix her self up, as best she could, for the little ones. They would notice, and they liked it. She did too.
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I've watched her for a very long time too. It looked to me she couldn't care less what her children thought. Or Jon. Or anybody else. Her only thought was how could people help her
and how to make them help her without bothering her. Making her children proud of her never entered her mind. That would involve caring.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 28
As long as the kids are with Jon and not dumped on a nanny I don't have a problem with her doing some kind of meet and greet in NY for work.
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Are you against all working mothers who use nannies or does that rule only apply to Kate Gosselin?
I guess you are assuming that Jon doesn't have to work since the NY event took place during a regular work day.
Sherry Baby 6 -- Not to be the grammar police or anything, but ME and Kate is correct in this instance. It's a compound object not a compound subject. The implied "A picture of" is omitted (Drop Kate and one wouldn't say "a picture of I"). I agree with you, though, that it's a common, and grating, error. OTOH, a lot of people also misuse the subjective pronoun too. It's funny that it only seems to occur in the singular and not the plural. I don't recall seeing or hearing "We" and "Us" misused in the same way.
Did the interview with Jon ever appear in Star magazine? Or is it suppose to appear next week?
Admin -28, ITA.
Anon -34: I have no problems with a working mom using a nanny. I do have problems with Kate because she has repeatedly claimed NOT to use a nanny (hence the "Not-A-Nanny" references you see raised her from time to time) when she has used 2 or 3 at a time. She does this to try and make herself look like some ubermom in order to further her career. For the record, I take issue with most people who are two faced like that. Sadly, she's not only lying to herself and her fans, she's lying to her 8 children and invalidating the experiences they are having.
If Kate had been honest from day one she might actually still have a television career and all the endorsement deals that were in the works back when the show was on.
Kate also has traveled extensively, especially when she as on DWTS, and what irked me then and irks me still is that purposely left her children with a nanny rather than their father, simply out of spite.
So, as Admin stated, I'm glad the kids see their father more regularly and that she's not leaving them with nannies anymore. A parent is always preferable, if it's feasible.
And to answer your question about Jon working or not working, I know he runs his own IT consulting business. It could be that he is working a job that allows him the flexibility to schedule his work around his kids. That is the reason I work from home and it's fairly common where I live. He may be telecommuting. He may not have any gigs right now. I don't know. And that is how it really should be, don't you think?
I think the scene that is being referenced regarding Kate dressing up for her kids was the tummy tuck episode where Mrs. Glassman paid to have her hair done, makeup, etc. and she came into the nursery and went up to Hannah and said something to the effect of "Is Mommy pretty?"
I give her this - it was one of the few times I felt she was genuinely happy to see her children and the adoration on her toddler daughter's face was precious.
Unfortunately, that was followed by an "It's all about me" statement. Because it is always "all about Kate" for her.
I have said this before and I'll say it again - I think Kate does love her children on a certain level. She just loves her self first, foremost and best.
Kate is also one of those people who hates being at home. She loves to travel, she loves to stay in hotels and be pampered. She loves eating out. My husband's ex is that way. Her idea of roughing it is no mint on the pillow. You know, when she was talking in the press about her reality dating show, the phrase that caught my eye was "She is willing to travel around the country in order to meet Mr. Right."
How convenient. How selfish. She probably has no real desire to date anyone but Steve Neild (a fact she was hinting at back at the Emmy's and in interviews in 2010 when she described her ideal man as being older, gray haired, probably a cop, who would keep her kids in line). So she's going to leave her kids, the kids she claims she loves more than life, the kids she stayed on bedrest for 30 weeks for, the kids for whom she sacrificed by filming a reality tv show, AGAIN in order to travel the country looking for a man. Hmmm...shades of Twist of Kate but with dating rather than stepping into another's shoes for a day or two.
I'm glad it looks like Hollywood isn't interested.
You know what, that doesn't bug me EXCEPT when your kids suffer because traveling is more important than spending time with them.
"You know what, that doesn't bug me EXCEPT when your kids suffer because traveling is more important than spending time with them."
That should have been placed in my previous comment after "Her idea of roughing it is no mint on the pillow". Sorry it seemed disjointed and confused.
Silimom -- It didn't seem disjointed and confused at all. I think you very eloquently and succinctly expressed the feelings most of us here have about KK. It's not so much that she leaves the children, and leaves them with a not-a-nanny more often than not, it's that she leaves them so frequently and so gleefully. As you stated, it goes back to DWTS, when KK openly bragged about not letting the kids stay with their father while she gallivanted back and forth to LA for all those weeks, and even before, when J&K were still together. How many parents do you know leave their kids for days at a time and don't bother to call them frequently, or who instruct the other parent (or caretaker) NOT to call them? It just boggles my mind.
Yikes! I'm still half asleep. That should read "How many parents do you know WHO leave . . ."
Anon@27....are you for real....????????? Everyone here might be too nice to tell what they really think ....but Im not...you must have your head up your ass if you believe all of that bullshit you just spewed....this woman is a crimanal...plain and simple. She should be jailed. Get lost..... Anger issues@1......you go girl.....loved your post....i dont have the patience for these trouble makers...
What irks me about the ROL article is that it is so pro Kate and anti Jon. They make it sound like Kate was so sacrificial giving Jon 50/50 custody and now SHE is sole supporter if the kids. WTF?!? 50/50 custody means that each parent is contributing the SAME amount. both in time and in support. Uggghh..I hope people can see clearly through the crap in the water with Kart.
I think Kate liked her running buddy's dress so much that she borrowed it:
Girls' Night Out
Looking at it more closely, it's not the same dress. Kate's looks far more expensive and fits her much better, but one has to wonder if she had the dress before this or she ran out and bought one to be more like her friend?
Kate's attorney said Kate was the sole support of her children. That in no way indicates 50/50 custody. Kate isn't paying full support so that Jon can have the kids 50% of the time, except in the wishful thinking of some who can't accept the fact that Kate is supporting her family.
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Kate's lawyer is correct. Kate is sole support of her children 50% of the time.
Sillimom, 37 -- you had some good ideas as to how Jon handles childcare. I have some additional ideas of how Jon could be managing. We are both trying to answer Anonymous' doubts.
I remember reading that he lives less than 1/2 hour from his mom, step dad and grandparents. What a great support system. Think they want to see the kids and are willing to pitch in?
Jon also has an involved girlfriend and a support system of other friends that could include some of Kate's estranged family. I think it would be complicated, but I think Jon has ways to deal with shared custody and having a job.
I, too, hope he has the kids while she is away.
Kate always dresses like a tramp around Steve. So much for complimenting her on the nice dress. It appears it was skin tight, underwear (what there was of it revealed) and nasty hooker heels. She wants to attract attention and it's for one guy only, otherwise she'd have guys lined up.
I was watching an old Jon and Kate plus 8 episode on YT the other day. It was when the Gosselins went to church and then had a picnic at the park afterwards. I couldn't believe my eyes but that was Steve that was sitting next to them at church!Seriously?
"the fact that Kate is supporting her family."
Wrong- The children are supporting the family.
Kate is NOT supporting her family. Her kids' prior earnings are supporting the family.
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Ha, you're right! Kate always seems to copy someone, like Beth or later, 'stars' (or her image of them.)SWF. I think her self-esteem is low, buried under that pseudo-tough bravado.She's the kind of person who thinks possessions, clothes etc make her 'better' than others or on par with those she admires. Thus the HOMs.
Really, 7 inch heels, yikes!
Sillimon,
If I remember correctly when Kate was on DWTS, Jon still had not decided he wanted to live in PA. Remember he went crazy with women, apt in NY, sports car, traveling to France with hopes of being his own celebrity, sitting on a yacht with one of those early women, smoking, drunk, taping himself in that state. Even dating Kate Majors a reporter for the Star rag mag.He has a long way to prove to me he is the most stablizing force for those children too.
Now he has another job, another residence, another woman. Let's see if he can keep this together for the sake of his children.
He is the man who cannot live without a woman. His children are not enough in his life. If he doesn't have a woman, he is out at the bars. He needs 2 jobs to be able to save for the future of making sure he keeps his bills paid and doesn't move again.
Why was he in People Magazine? I would feel better about him if he would stay out of the media, get off of twitter as well as Kate.
No innocent parties among Kate & Jon with me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2182893/Kate-Gosselin-hits-ex-husband-Jon-poverty-claims-saying-doesnt-pay-child-support.html
There area couple of articles on the UK site Daily Mail...don't know if they are taken from the Star etc...but look at Kate's figure in the first pic, ugh.
All this CS, custody, Jon- talk is bringing her back into the news.
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Anon@27....are you for real....????????? Everyone here might be too nice to tell what they really think ....but Im not...you must have your head up your ass if you believe all of that bullshit you just spewed....this woman is a crimanal...plain and simple. She should be jailed. Get lost..... Anger issues@1......you go girl.....loved your post....i dont have the patience for these trouble makers...
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Wow, is this an example of that respectful dialogue the Administrator of this blog is always bragging about? The person offered an opinion that happens to differ from yours without being remotely a jerk and gets this type of response?
You are right about one thing...you most definitely are not nice!
readerlady said... 35
Sherry Baby 6 -- Not to be the grammar police or anything, but ME and Kate is correct in this instance. It's a compound object not a compound subject.
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Please forgive me...retired English teacher that I am, I find myself reaching for the proverbial red pen.
"Me and Kate" would never be correct, for these key reasons:
1) We don't travel in the same circles. More to the point...
2) It breaks with grammatical conventions. You'd write/say "I" for the subject of a sentence, "me" for the object.
3) In pairings like this, you put yourself last. It's grammatically correct; plus, it's good manners.
Examples:
Kate and I wandered through the convention hall, hamming it up for the cameras. (subject)
The paparazzi shoved past the throngs of adoring fans, snapping countless pictures of Kate and me. (object)
Remember: Whether you're the main attraction or not, always put yourself last.
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Love your examples! I always remind my kids to take the other person out of the sentence to see if I or me makes sense. Then, put yourself last in the list or pair, as you said.
Grammar is shocking among young people today.
Boy oh boy, the sheep le are at it! But what can you expect when all the fan blogs are DEAD. They have nowhere to worship Kate. One comment from above that was removed by author is from a rabid sheeple and I know this for a fact. It's better to just skip right on past them, they are angry, bitter and use that same tired old refrain about "how can you criticize a person you've never met"? Well, right back atcha, how can YOU idolize someone you've never met?
Sheesh, go back to your vacant blogs or start your own. You're fighting an uphill battle though, we have all seen for ourselves what incredible bullying, lying, rudeness and child abuse she practices daily. We won't be changing our minds because you worship her.
Funny thing....whenever I see a photo of Kate anyplace, I always check the reflections to see if I can spot Steve, or how many photogs are there (the last few years there doesn't seem to be a mob, usually just one).
http://johnsmilitaryhistory.com/sheep.gif
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How about this-lol
or this
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/images/2010/07/sheepshaggers.jpg
Sherry Baby 6 -- Not to be the grammar police or anything, but ME and Kate is correct in this instance. It's a compound object not a compound subject. The implied "A picture of" is omitted (Drop Kate and one wouldn't say "a picture of I").
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You never put yourself first. If you are going to use the "implied," and consider Me and Kate as objects, then yes (here is a picture of Kate and me). Here is a picture of Kate. Here is a picture of me. But it's never "here is a picture of me and Kate."
On the other hand, if it's being used as the compound subject, "me and Kate" with an implied "are" chatting it up, then it is "Kate and I" are chatting it up.
The problem with what was written there is that you don't know what is being implied because it's a sentence fragment. It could go either way. But regardless, "me" never comes first.
"But regardless, "me" never comes first."
Except in Kate's mind.
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
What does she mean "tomorrow I live my dream"?
I find it amusing that the woman who could not do one tweet about BlogHer before she went can, this morning, give a twitter shout-out to @coffeemate. And funnier too if you stop to think that perhaps the queen of all things organic has never read a coffemate label. Drink it black, Kate. Anyone think BlogHer is on her agenda today?
Oh, and anonymous, do you enjoy sh&@stirring? Your comments are rude and disrespectful, did your other friends toss you out of the sandbox again?
Oh sorry---she was re-tweeting what someone else tweeted her!
Kate's attorney said Kate was the sole support of her children. That in no way indicates 50/50 custody. Kate isn't paying full support so that Jon can have the kids 50% of the time, except in the wishful thinking of some who can't accept the fact that Kate is supporting her family.
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What Kate's attorney said doesn't even make sense even IF Jon still only had the kids two weekends a month. I assume Jon houses, feeds, and cares for the children. Is Kate giving Jon money now? Please. By very definition that does not make Kate the "sole" supporter.
Also, the web site shows that Jon is paying arrears. Again not "sole" supporter. Moreover, what Kate's attorney is suggesting is illegal under PA law. A court won't just absolve Jon of child support.
Kate's attorney's comment makes no sense under any scenario and was a despicable attempt to further alienate Jon.
Tate @67 - That's not Kate saying "tomorrow I live my dream". She's retweeting. Her comment to the retweet is GO KARA (she has it in caps).
Are you against all working mothers who use nannies or does that rule only apply to Kate Gosselin?
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No. I'm against working mothers who use nannies when there is a parent ready and willing to take the children. It's called right of first refusal and Jon has it.
Kara Goucher on the Olympic marathon team is a well-known runner. Kate just started following her. Kara tweeted:
karagoucher
For my 100th tweet: thank you all for the love and support! I have amazing friends and fans. Tomorrow I live my dreams!
Kate retweeted her tweet and added "GO KARA."
Milo, of course, jumps in and then tweets(and includes Kara in the tweet):
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 @karagoucher Kate...U are already livin a dream...#MarathonMom and #MarathonRunner What a life! What a story2tell! :)
If I were Kara and saw that tweet I'd be thinking WTF-who is Kateplusmy8 and who is this weirdo tweeting her? I wonder if Milo even knows who Kara Goucher is.
Hi Jules - Re: Jon in the DWTS era, at that point he was living in PA. He had lost the apartment in NY already, was settling his lawsuit with TLC, and I believe was living with his brother, although he may have had the apartment by then. At the time, Jon had hired an attorney friend of his father's while Kate was on DWTS because he wanted the option of spending more time and caring for his kids when she was gone. The attorney filed a motion for full custody, which garnered a lot of attention and Jon immediately fired him, probably due to his settlement agreement with TLC, or at least that is what many of us suspected at the time. At this time he also sold his BMW to help make his support payments which were rumored to be $22,000 a month and to live on himself.
Jon is no angel. He has made many poor choices in the past. But I think if he has indeed received the 50/50 custody per court order he has done so by trying to be a more responsible parent. That is the only way a judge would increase his custody time. In the end, I wish him, the kids and yes even Kate well. I hope that they can learn to live privately where their family is concerned and cease talking about any custodial or financial issues in public.
OrangeCrush said... 68
"I find it amusing that the woman who could not do one tweet about BlogHer before she went can, this morning, give a twitter shout-out to @coffeemate."
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What's even more amusing is that Kate did not give a shout out to the REAL Coffeemate. Their twitter ID is @Coffee_mate.
I read the articles again about Jon's child support woes and he does seem to be whining about the least amount of child support he could possibly pay, which is having a residence large enough to shelter them when they visit him. He is not on the hook for any of their expenses in terms of braces, eyeglasses, school fees, shoes, uniforms, food and so on. He just has to shelter, feed and entertain them during his custody time. That does make the lawyer correct in stating "Kate is the sole supporter of the parties children".
I know it looks like Kate is the better parent because she is picking up the tab, but we all know where she got that money. Still, I am disappointed that Jon is wanting all financial burdens caused by having children to disappear. That is not being a good parent in my books.
He is not on the hook for any of their expenses in terms of braces, eyeglasses, school fees, shoes, uniforms, food and so on. He just has to shelter, feed and entertain them during his custody time. That does make the lawyer correct in stating "Kate is the sole supporter of the parties children".
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How do we know Jon doesn't help pay for these things? The braces are in FACT from a friend of Jon's dad who was a dentist, for free. How do you know Jon doesn't chip in for uniforms and tuition? Not to mention, he's paid a heck of a lot of child support over the years.
If it's 50-50 they are both responsible for them, 50-50. That's why there is no child support when it's 50-50.
Another note, when Kate dips into the family's money from the show to pay for things, is that not Jon paying too? He earned it too. I highly doubt a coupon job can pay the lavish lifestyle she lives. She must be dipping into earnings from the past.
A girl tweeted Jon a picture of meeting him on Sat. July 28th at a local park.
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@jongosselin1 I got to meet you today! Local park by my house! #birthday present pic.twitter.com/QMNfsCtw
6:40 PM - 28 Jul 12via Twitter for iPhone
That was the same day Kate tweeted (repeatedly) about shopping with C&M. So it would seem that Jon had the 6 with him at a playground. You can see a bit of the playground in the picture.
What is so interesting is how Jon did NOT let his kids be photographed. And how Jon NEVER tweets about what he is doing when he is spending time caring for his kids - unlike Kate.
And how Jon does not need to keep reminding everyone that he is caring for the kids, playing with them, taking them to parks, feeding them, talking to them, etc... - unlike Kate who constantly has to tweet to tell everyone that she does normal mom duties with the kids in her pathetic attempt to continue the FAKE public image that TLC portrayed for years when the hired help or Jon did it all.
It is clear to me that Jon chooses to enjoy the time with his kids and be fully in the moment dedicating all of himself to his kids.
Kate on the other hand, can't put down her phone and has an addiction to tweet constantly when she is supposedly taking care of the kids.
I for one do believe that Jon has 50/50 custody. And why shouldn't he?!? He is their Father! And though I question some of his actions, he has shown he is a very loving and hands on parent - again unlike Kate.
Luke's Mom what great find and how nice to see one of these parents can do something with the kids without announcing it to the world. She does confirm he had at least some of the kids with him:
Abigail Burkholder @AbigailLovey
@jongosselin1 thank you it was nice meeting you, your kids are adorable btw. 😃
Going by the Jon has the kids every other weekend scenario, it doesn't make sense.
Jon had at least the little kids last weekend. Now Kate is completely gone on what should be "her" weekend if you're going by the every other weekend schedule.
Doesn't add up, does it. It's 50-50.
Admin, Jon stated in his Star interview (which are direct quotes from him) that he can't pay for his housing. I can't see him paying for half of the kids tuition and other expenses.
Just Me, maybe he can't pay for his housing because he's paying so much for the kids.
If you're spending all your money to help Kate keep them in that school, then yes I can see not being able to pay for your housing.
I thought the kids have a trust fund from their TLC show income so, in effect, they're paying their own way on many of these expenses. Correct me if I'm wrong:
"The ruling stated that 15 percent of gross proceeds of the show must be allotted to the children's trust funds. The money will be held in trust until the age of 18 however the money can accessed to cover the costs of safety, welfare, education and health needs."
http://www.lawcrossing.com/article/5595/Jon-Kate-Gosselin-Escape-Labor-Law-Wrath/
Sherry Baby and Improbable Dreams -- Yes, I do know that putting me first in the "Me and Kate" is incorrect. I was just addressing the appropriate pronoun. Improbable Dreams -- I see what you are saying. I took it to mean that (Here is a picture of) ME and Kate, making it the object of a preposition. I see where it could be assumed that a verb is left out of the phrase instead, making it the subject. Interesting grammar lesson today. Learn something new all the time, LOL. I do agree that grammar is appalling these days. It isn't even being taught in many schools, because the teachers say it "stifles creativity". I have a Goddaughter who is a brilliant student. She graduated from high school at the top of her class, with a number of AP courses and enough college credits to enter college as a Junior. She'll graduate from college at the end of the fall semester Summa Cum Laude, with a number of credits toward her Masters (In Psychology). She cannot write a paragraph that isn't filled with grammar and spelling errors.
Admin -- You asked yesterday if Kenton Kreider was ex-military. I can't find the reference, but I seem to remember someone (Kate?) saying that he'd been in the military and ran the household like a drill sergeant. Take that for what it's worth.
It is easy to compare the two parenting styles of Jon and Kate:
Kate with kids = tweets and tweets and tweets
Jon with kids = no tweets
Kate = Exploits the Gkids on twitter , CC blog, website
Jon = NEVER uses kids on twitter and asks his followers NOT to ask
Kate = Pays others to HELP her with the kids and around the house
Jon = Does it all on his own (I doubt he can even afford to pay for any kind of help)
Kate = Posts pictures of Gkids on twitter, CC blog, website
Jon = NEVER posts pictures of Gkids
Kate = Retweets compliments about Herself ALL THE TIME
Jon= NEVER retweets compliments – when he receives one, he humbly replies with a thank you only.
Kate= TLC footage documents that she was not a hands on Mom.
Jon= TLC footage documents that he was very hands on as a Dad and did lots of work around the house.
Kate= Hates Jon more than she loves her kids – seen over and over when she continues to undermine Jon as a parent on twitter and in the media.
Jon= Loves his kids more than he hates Kate, enough to call her a good mom in a recent interview.
Conclusion:
Kate=FAKE mom
Jon=REAL dad
Mscatle yes as I recall that trust fund can be touched for educational expenses and other needs. So if Kate is the "sole" supporter and is using that money, really how dare she take credit for that since that's the children's money.
As for other money earned, arguably whatever money she is are dipping into from the past belongs to all ten of them equally, one-tenth is Jon's, one-tenth is Kate's, one-tenth is Mady's and so on down the line. So for Kate to take credit for that too is also disingenuous. Unless she's dipping into Kate Plus 8 money which is still only one-ninth hers and the rest the kids'.
She's got some nerve taking credit for supporting the family when the entire family earned a lot of money TOGETHER.
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Thanks for the link. I did read an article a few years back when he just received permission to build the golf resort but I hadn't seen anything since. I googled this and the New York Times did an interview with the director of the docmentary that was online today. He said the golf course has opened up, with a temporary clubhouse, but it hasn't been the economic boom people expected. There aren't the jobs that were promised and the 450-room hotel, the second golf course, hostel for workers and 1500 houses have not been built and probably won't be built. The kicker now is that Trump is objecting to a wind farm that is slated to be built off the coast from his golf course, because he says it will spoil the view. What balls.
I did some more googling and found an article in Britain's "The Guardian" newspaper from June 2011, where Trump says the golf course will open next year but he was putting everything else on hold because of the economic downturn. The economic downturn started in 2007/2008 so you would think he would have stopped the golf course from going through. But not the Donald. I think the Scottish government is going to have alot of explaining to do to it's people. Which leads to the question, when land is legally protected, who are you to decide it becomes unprotected? And to think, the Trump organization called the locals who objected to what he wanted to do a national embarrassment. The Scots are very proud people who love their country and will fight to protect it. They don't ask for much. My great-grandmother was born in Aberdeen but raised in Edinburgh. When we moved there, I felt like it was home.
Admin,
If the school is too expensive for Jon to contribute half and he has 50/50 custody why does't he have the kids go to public school? I would think that would have been brought before the judge when he granted him 50/50.
I don't have a grammar police license, but I did teach grammar for fifteen years, and Sherry and Dreams are correct. "Me" never comes first, except in Kate's case where "ME" always comes first!
In the sentence fragment under scrutiny, one doesn't know what was implied. Kate and I, as the subject, would be correct. Kate and me, as the object, would be correct. However, me and Kate would never be correct.
Not only do I hear "Me and my friend are big Kate fans," but those darn misplaced modifiers continue to give writers trouble. I just read an article in which Kate was talking about Jon and their relationship, and the author wrote, "Kate Gosselin claims she and ex-husband, Jon, are getting along much better in an interview." I didn't know they were disagreeing in an interview. It should have been written as, "In an interview, Kate Gosselin claims..."
I'm glad that I am no longer teaching in lower school! I am finding that many kids who graduate today with degrees in English have never been taught properly themselves and therefore they are unable to teach grammar effectively. It's a vicious cycle.
Please don't call me out on any grammar mistakes in my post. I am working off the effects of the Rumspringa!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 86
She's got some nerve taking credit for supporting the family when the entire family earned a lot of money TOGETHER.
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This is so true and Kate (including her fans) continue to overlook this FACT. The MAJORITY of the money that Kate spends every day on her lifestyle was EARNED by the 8 kids.
Why do Kate and her fans NEVER recognize that the 8 kids WORKED year after year earning all that money?
Luke, I know, the kids never get credit nor does Jon either who contributed to over 100 episodes. The show was only cancelled when JON left, he was a key part of why people watched.
Just because I write a check doesn't mean it's my money. It just means I'm authorized to write the check.
I personally believe a kernel of the story in ROL is correct. Typically how the rags work seem to work is they have one little piece/part of the story that is correct and run with it. The Star and ROL are jointly owned/operated and have in the past, recycled stories and/or parts of them to create a new story. The Jon loses his car story, was run at least a year or so ago and just recently re-run, slightly different, but the kernel of the story was the same, his car was repossessed and he couldn't afford jack.
Perhaps there was a time Jon was worried about not being able to pay support, would go to jail, etc., but I don't believe it's right now and that's a recycled story or being used now so that Kate can play the martyr. I tend to believe admin, that they now split custody 50/50 and therefore Jon supports them when he has him as does she. Add the words 'when she has custody' to Kate's lawyers statement and I believe that's closer to the truth. Might she be paying for some of their insurance, etc., possibly and it could also be split. Their schooling, I would say definitely. There's no reason why the children can't go to public school, except for the prestige, which we all know is important to Kate. It's one thing to pay for one or two children, but with 8 the cost is outrageous. Although if she needs to spend the money the children earned on something, Education is a very good place to start and not something I would object to.
Do I think Jon is probably a better parent? Yes I do, history shows that he was the one that took care of them during the show and tho it was late, saw the damage filming was doing. Did he act out during the divorce, yes he did, although it was over a short time period, apparently Jon will forever be judged and condemned with how he acted during that time.
As for dating Kate Majors, which is in almost every story where Jon is being slammed, he went on a few dates, which were set up by Michael Lohan. He was trying to get Jon's buy-in on a reality divorced dad show, which didn't fly. Lohan and Majors have had a contentious relationship, with her now pregnant by Lohan, who was conceived while there was a retaining order against him. Now there's a warped father, who continues to live his bizarre lifestyle in the public eye!
Just Me it's not up to Jon what school the kids go to. If he has a problem with their school that conflicts with Kate's wishes he would have to ask the judge to change schools. It's incredibly hard to try to convince a judge that children should switch schools once they've been going to a certain school awhile. A judge will almost always ere on the side of keeping them in the same school.
Also maybe Jon would rather go broke than make these children go through another upheaval changing schools. Maybe he's thinking of what's best for them.
Admin, Kate is not stupid. She had her lawyer draft a statement in writing that left no wiggle room on who financially supports their children. She does and Jon does not. He can only contradict her by filing a libel lawsuit against this lawyer. Won't happen.
I don't think it is enough for Jon to grift free stuff for his kids, be it hockey tickets or braces. That is not being a responsible parent. That is being a grifter. Why do his kids deserve free anything over any other child on the planet? They don't. There was enough money made from the show to take care of all of these extraordinary expenses, not mansions, not cars, not private school tuitions, but certainly enough to make sure all have excellent dental and healthcare, a good education, etc.
LOL, my mother used to pull out a grammar book on rainy days during summer vacation ( she was a HS English teacher) Boy, we hated rain, but my sister and I have decent grammar...I noticed on the show Kate had awful grammar & often said "Jon and I" as an object. Ugh. Whoever said this blog is full of illiterate, retired disabled ? (forget exact words) people sure is wrong!
Re: braces. I agree they are freebies, but Kate whined nevertheless and also made fun of the kids' crooked teeth in her snarky way.
Re: school. I think the G kids would be better off in a public school for many reasons. The expense, though, is an important consideration.
Admin said,
Mscatle yes as I recall that trust fund can be touched for educational expenses and other needs. So if Kate is the "sole" supporter and is using that money, really how dare she take credit for that since that's the children's money.
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Admin, the problem is with the way the rule has been set forth by the Department of Labor. The money may be taken out for their "safety, education, welfare or health." The money may indeed be taken out for tuition, as well as for everything else. What is welfare? It's never been defined? Does this mean that the kids pay the mortgage since a house is needed for their welfare? Does safety imply that when they travel and Steve goes along with them, the kids pay Steve? It could be said that he provides them with security (laugh here...). Do they pay the security system bills for the house? What about health? Are they paying for their own immunizations, doctor's visits, braces, etc?
It's also unclear if she has to provide proof, receipts, whatever, that the money is being used for those purposes.
If they are paying for their own tuition, what happens when the money runs out? If Kate and Jon each have to kick in at least $75,000 per year, I really doubt if Jon is going to be able to come up with that money just for the kids' tuition. We shall see.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 91
Just because I write a check doesn't mean it's my money. It just means I'm authorized to write the check.
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So true - I am so tired of Kate complaining about how hard it is to pay for the expenses of having 8kids when she is spending the money the 8 kids EARNED by working year after year.
She is the only parent I know that publicly complains on and on about how expensive it is to support her own kids. And she is the only parent who at the same time is supporting her kids with money they EARNED. Is this what you call a "WTF" moment?
Mama Mia, do you think attorneys never lie, mislead or play with words? :-) Her lawyer's statement is simply not permitted under PA law and she knows it. You don't get a get out of jail free card. It doesn't happen.
What does "sole" supporting mean anyway? Does this just mean that I'm not getting any child support from Jon anymore? Sure. That doesn't mean that JON isn't supporting them too when he has them 50% of the time.
Kate is not the sole supporter anyway. The kids were responsible for the bulk of her savings. That said in fairness I think her attorney got revved up when Jon was talking about child support and knowing that he doesn't have to pay anymore (because it's 50-50) she lashed out. None of them should talk about child support or support publicly, it's just not appropriate.
The fans can never recognize that the kids worked for the money because they must maintain the fiction that the children were "only playing in front of the camera". Disputing the word of the queen would get them blocked and they can't have that.
Kate is so completely unlikeable.
Over In Berks said... 96
Yes, what is publicly known is very vague and I'm sure there's detailed specifics in the written contract of these trust funds on how the money can be spent. That, we don't know. But I would almost guarantee that anything Kate CAN use towards the kids' expenses from their funds she IS using. BTW, vacations, recreational activities for kids probably aren't covered so she would have to spend what she calls, "her own money" on that;)
Jon finally tweeted: Looking forward to going back to work on Monday, haha. Keep writing, I'll keep working.
His twitter feed is awful. Kate's fans are the worst bullies out there.
Re: school. I think the G kids would be better off in a public school for many reasons. The expense, though, is an important consideration.
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If they had started out in a public school, then yes, I would think that there would be no problem. To take them out of a small private school where they are doing well, have made friends, know the daily routine and seem to be well adjusted, only to throw them into a large public school system is not a good idea. They have enough going on in their lives. They don't need one more thing to deal with. Adapting to such an educational environment may be extremely difficult and not in their best interests. Their school right now is their sanctuary. Some kids do well in public school and some do not.
If it comes down to a matter of expense, there are many good small, private Christian schools where they could go. They should have stayed in E-town, enrolled the kids in her old alma mater, and I'm willing to bet that she wouldn't find herself "struggling" with finances. The house would be paid, and she wouldn't have the maintenance and other expenses to deal with. Of course, this may all be a moot point. She may have millions stashed away, and if she can use their money for tuition, then she's going to do it.
If those kids are sent to a public school, we'll know that there indeed are money problems brewing.
Admin, I find Kate's lawyer speaking to the press about the case at all to be, at the very least, highly unprofessional and should be investigated by some kind of ethics committee. As an attorney, what is your opinion of this?
Confirmed? said... 22
..Kate being abused as a child haven't been in the tabloids...but they haven't been proven in any way, shape, or form.
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I don't need a source to tell me that Kate has been abused. Many of her behaviors SCREAM abuse.
But, I hope that we can have a respectful dialogue on a difficult and sensitive subject without shouting each other down. This is not a black & white topic and we are all bringing our own experience into the discussion.
Her inability to form and keep meaningful attachments, her inappropriate use of the word love (her fans) and family (the crew dads) while kicking people who truly love her kids to the curb,, her complete overwhelm when faced with everyday tasks, her endless quest for validation, her body image and food fixations, her controlling approach to life, her disregard and lack of empathy for others, her punitive and withholding parenting style and the emptiness in her eyes (Except when she is in the limelight) and her endless comparing of herself to some imaginary standard are all the behavior of an adult survivor of child abuse. But, the most telling is her shape-shifting identity and the trying-on of different personas. People who have been abused don't have a sense of identity or a center.
An abused child doesn't have the normal reserves of self-esteem and self-regard to cope with the ups and downs of life. So, life is lived in a constant state of emergency, because they do not have the tools for life that a healthy foundation provides. That's why, for Kate, it means that the smallest task can be depleting and lead to a mental and physical exhaustion.
People can change, but they have to be aware, humble and willing--3 words that don't describe Kate. Kate and Jon were children having children, sadly lacking in the tools of healthy relationships and parenting. They aren't the first people to be in that situation, and many who are, navigate just fine by learning new ways of relating and accepting support from their community and functional family members. Regardless of what they think, they are not unique, special, deserving or entitled to short-cut their way through life. If they looked beyond their own noses, they would see that.
It is a tragedy that Kate became so focused and blinded by greed and fame, and that she missed all of the opportunities for growth that presented itself along the way. What is, in my mind, `unforgivable, is Kate's utter refusal to self-reflect and seek help. When two of her children are expelled from their elite KINDERGARTEN, that is a major sign that there is something horribly wrong. At the very least, it is a time to step away from the public eye and protect her children's privacy. Unlike many families who find themselves in crisis, Jon and Kate had the resources to get help for themselves and their children. Kate was so hell-bent on clawing her way to that golden platter, that she forgot to teach her children that who they are is enough.
"Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it". Truer words were never spoken. Family scripts are powerful and difficult to break, and without intervention, those poor kids are will go out into the world and repeat their unhealthy family script. Everyone responds to abuse and stress in different ways and all of us have different abilities to cope and rally our resources. While I have admiration for people who can lift themselves up on their own, the more likely outcome is the unconscious repetition of the faulty family dynamics that we learned in our family of origin. For every instance of one success story, their are thousands that never recover from child abuse.
I can have compassion for someone and still be outraged at their behavior. Childhood abuse is never an excuse for unacceptable behavior. But, it provides the only framework that I can see in which her nasty personality traits and outrageous behavior actually makes sense.
I now know why Kate claimed to have OCD, and what it stands for, at least with her.
Obsessive Coffee Disorder.
Kate, I wouldn't you know brag that I couldn't function without that cup of coffee. In a way makes me wonder why you are so tired, all the time, tired from what? Not that I want to know what it is you do at night but come off it already. It's not a compliment or a shout out you should want to put out there that you don't morph into being human unless you have coffee.
Ever tried just you know, getting up and being pleasant because you have to? It won't kill you to at least try and be honestly happy at someplace you have to be. Because that's life doing things you don't want to do and sucking it up anyway. Something you obviously don't really get how to do.
I hope you don't mind if your kids get up when they become teenagers and bite your head off because you woke them up because chances are they won't be pleasant.
Life isn't peaches and roses, honey.
BTW, vacations, recreational activities for kids probably aren't covered so she would have to spend what she calls, "her own money" on that;)
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The thing is, though, that she can "fudge" anything. Vacations are necessary for their welfare. Recreational activities are needed for their welfare. She could argue that they need these things because exercise is important to their health and well-being, and vacations are needed as stress-reducers.
Fade she can make public statements if she wants but most attorneys wouldn't especially in family law because most attorneys have a healthy understanding that when there are children involves it's always better not to make public statements. Shame on her for that. If she's deliberately misleading when she makes statements the court might admonish her. If there's been a no discussion of the case order she might get admonished for that too. What I've noticed is that to my surprise, judges tend to really protect their attorneys and give them a lot of benefit of the doubt. Sure they may get a little annoyed with you but I've only ever seen a judge actually threaten sanctions two or three times, and it was for REALLY bad stuff like deliberately not making a witness available to try to delay the case, or chronically showing up two hours late. Attorneys get away with so much else.
She was careful with her words. Her words could have meant Kate doesn't have help anymore when SHE has the kids. She could have meant Kate is the sole provider of the kids WHEN THEY ARE WITH HER. The way she said it gives enough wiggle room for it to be true.
Ex Nurse 105,
Well said. That's one of the best posts I've ever read.
But, it provides the only framework that I can see in which her nasty personality traits and outrageous behavior actually makes sense.
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Then again, she could just have been a spoiled brat who wanted things her own way and didn't get them. People can grow up being nasty, mean and miserable because that's the nature of their personality. I went to school with someone like that. Conceited, arrogant, and just downright nasty. She came from a loving home, given just about everything she wanted, her parents were sweet, kind and generous and never laid a hand on her. She's been divorced three times because none of her husbands could live with her.
While I agree that her behavior screams adult survivor of child abuse, I also think it's important to consider that the abuse may have been perceived abuse.
On the other hand, I think that she having been somehow abused during childhood (at least she perceived it that way, and Jon believed her) is part of the secret between her and Jon. There's clearly something that's happened to her that he is aware of and that they share as a secret between them. Something that hasn't come out publicly yet.
And that maybe shouldn't, either, except that she's the one who has *made* her life a public concern. Can't have it both ways...want the fame but not all the scrutiny that goes along with it.
Ex Nurse fantastic analysis. Interesting, thanks.
I also wonder if mental health issues might manifest themselves in ways that look similar to how a child of abuse manifests it in adulthood. Perhaps there are mental health issues and child abuse issues, or one or the other. Hard to tel. The psychological aspect of this all has always fascinated me.
Ex Nurse fantastic analysis. Interesting, thanks.
I also wonder if mental health issues might manifest themselves in ways that look similar to how a child of abuse manifests it in adulthood. Perhaps there are mental health issues and child abuse issues, or one or the other. Hard to tel. The psychological aspect of this all has always fascinated me.
Kate's a Twit:
I woke a bit sluggish Met,chatted&laughed w so many great ppl at #BlogHer12 yest! Took xtra coffee& @Coffeemate 2 make me operate properly! about 2 hours ago
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She woke up a bit sluggish? More than usual?
Kate, you ARE a slug.
Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child.
It's just like rape. It's not rape if you're with someone you want to be with and consent. It's suddenly rape if you don't consent. It's subjective.
Since Kate certainly does seem to PERCEIVE that she has it so hard, I suspect this might have played a big role in this allegation she made she was "abused." This is not in any way meant to minimize real abuse children have been victim to. Only making the point that how the child sees what happened to them tends to vary.
Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child.
It's just like rape. It's not rape if you're with someone you want to be with and consent. It's suddenly rape if you don't consent. It's subjective.
Since Kate certainly does seem to PERCEIVE that she has it so hard, I suspect this might have played a big role in this allegation she made she was "abused." This is not in any way meant to minimize real abuse children have been victim to. Only making the point that how the child sees what happened to them tends to vary.
She is the only parent I know that publicly complains on and on about how expensive it is to support her own kids. And she is the only parent who at the same time is supporting her kids with money they EARNED. Is this what you call a "WTF" moment?
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You're right. When I read about Kate's "net worth," is that "her" money, or does it include what the children have earned? If so, then it's not Kate's net worth at all. Do the children have a "net worth?"
The thing is, though, that she can "fudge" anything. Vacations are necessary for their welfare. Recreational activities are needed for their welfare. She could argue that they need these things because exercise is important to their health and well-being, and vacations are needed as stress-reducers.
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I'm not at all familiar with trust funds, but I would think what can and can't be withdrawn from them is quite detailed and leaves little room for "questionable" requests, and that receipts/documentation would be required for any monies withdrawn. Isn't there an appointed executor of these funds? Anyone?
Also, if accepted educational/medical expenses are used from this fund (necessities), Kate could stretch the life of the funds and might not WANT to spend it for such silly things as giving the kids vacations, extracurricular activities, camps, etc. The kids just don't get to go & Kate can save "her" money for her marathons, NY hair trips and her other flights of fancy.
Yep. Being snarky here.
Did the Star magazine article come out already? I only have seen the Radar article.
Thanks, Admin. Truth or not I would immediately fire any attorney who spoke of my case outside of court, but that's just me and my ethical self.
Ex-nurse 105.....so well said. I think you've nailed it.
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The psychological aspect of this all has always fascinated me.
So true. Which is why I love reading this blog....the commenters over the years have provided so much insight. I think many of us have our own "Kate" that we're trying desperately to understand. But can't,and maybe never will.
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Did the Star magazine article come out already? I only have seen the Radar article.
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I have seen the Star article. It is basically the same as the Radar article.
The only direct quotes from Jon are the same as those in the Radar article. Jon is not quoted as saying he was unemployed, nor is he quoted as saying that it was difficult keeping a job because people recognize from TV.
I believe the author used some "poetic license" to embellish the aricle.
Kate tweeted...
I woke a bit sluggish Met,chatted&laughed w so many great ppl at #BlogHer12 yest! Took xtra coffee& @Coffeemate 2 make me operate properly!
I'm a bit slow today. Who or what is a "Met"?
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This is what is so very wrong about the statement put out there by Kate's attorney. She now has the sheeple believing that Kate released Jon from child support payments simply out of the goodness of her heart and because she's an amazing person. The attorney knew exactly what she was doing, chose her words carefully, and made Kate look like a saint in the process. This should have been kept private, but in the end, if it's disclosed that there is a 50/50 custody arrangement, her statement will have backfired because it can no longer be claimed that Kate is the sole support of these kids and that she does it all by herself. The attorney should have never made this public.
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@Kateplusmy8 You are one incredible woman Kate. I just read what you did 4 John. U R Wonderful! ♥
I wonder if Kate's brother Kevin was also abused? He seemed very well-adjusted and sensitive to the kids' needs and a great dad and husband ( and brother!)
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I agree with you on most counts. Yes, the expense IMO is the major problem. But Mady claimed some kids teased them, and the two who were expelled had problems and we only have Kate's word they are all excelling and happy. They seem to have a bit of trouble with speech and printing etc. at age 8+ I was thinking a fresh start might be good for the G8 with kid/teachers who might not recognize them as having been on TV or know the 'hot spots' to tease them (Hannah's unnerwears, Collin's constipation, Mady's tantrums etc. etc.) Or is that impossible where they live?
As for friends, we don't know - a poor showing at the tups' party, no one ever mentioned invited over. The early wake-up Kake complains of, and the long bus ride where they are so ravenous they have a 'bus snack.' Not being local idk, just a thought public school might be more even ground for them all-round.
Was Kate into the rumspringa last night? That may be why she is a little sluggish this morning.
I love that Jon posted about going back to work on Monday. I bet he has been on vacation. Would explain why he has been on twitter silence. He probably had the kids while he has been on vacation. Kate hasn't really said much about the little ones at all in weeks. She has only mentioned the twins a few times.
As far as the articles go. I think they were made up. Yes they may have had some facts from long ago that are just being recycled to get Kate's name out there.
Thanks, Admin. Truth or not I would immediately fire any attorney who spoke of my case outside of court, but that's just me and my ethical self.
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The question is whether Kate gave her attorney permission to issue a public statement. If she did, then shame on both of them. However, even if Kate told her to go ahead and make the statement, the attorney should have had enough professional integrity to tell Kate that none of it should be made public, and then refuse to issue a statement.
Ex Nurse 105 -- Excellent post! Very enlightening.
Admin -- KK has said she was the neglected middle child and we keep referring to her as the middle child, but when I was looking for that reference I thought I remembered about her father being in the military, I came across several articles that stated that she was the second born child. Since she has 4 siblings, that doesn't make her the middle child. Can anyone from the area who is in the know clarify this?
tammy_vincent
@Kateplusmy8 You are one incredible woman Kate. I just read what you did 4 John. U R Wonderful! ♥
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No she's not Kate bashed Jon so many times she threw Jon under the bus so many times.
Kate waited in Mexico by the Iphone cause kids wanted mommy so much.
The kids don't like be at Jon's cause it's not their "Real home"all this said by the wonderful Kate.
So how exactly is she wonderful??
I was thinking a fresh start might be good for the G8 with kid/teachers who might not recognize them as having been on TV or know the 'hot spots' to tease them (Hannah's unnerwears, Collin's constipation, Mady's tantrums etc. etc.) Or is that impossible where they live?
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That's impossible where they live. Word would get around very fast who these kids are, and that they were on television. Teachers would, of course, be briefed. They'd have to be because of security concerns. I think that taking them out of their school at this point and putting them in public school would not be a wise move. If it has to be done, though, then that's what they have to do. These kids should at least be allowed to finish lower school where they are. If expense is a consideration, there are some great private Christian schools in the area for less than half the cost, with teachers who could meet their academic and social/emotional needs.
I'm not a middle child but I think anyone not born first or last is considered a middle child.
I also think if they are going to transition to a public school it should be done at a wise time like transition to middle school when lots of kids switch over to a new school. But I think security concerns at a public school are kind of insulting to the good people of PA. Lots of celebs have their kids in public school. It's not that big of a deal. A public school with the right training can keep paps off the property or other people having problems. Lots of public schools have security already on payroll and part of the budget. Even I did growing up in a little farm town!
Public schools have more experience with security than you might think, the odd estranged father trying to pick up the kids, things of that nature, they have to be trained to deal with just like a private school. Madonna had her kids in public school and there was never a problem and she's far more photographed than Kate.
I have been trying to post messages for 2 days. Each time I do it says it was published and then disappears.
Do you think Kate had too much rumspringa last night? Perhaps that would explain her sluggishness today.
Also I am glad that Jon posted he was going back to work Monday. I am betting he has been on vacation hence his twitter silence. I am sure he has had at least the little ones. Kate really hasn't mentioned much about them in weeks and very little of the twins.
As far as the articles that came out I am guessing that is all from Kate's camp. There is small truths from long ago that are being rehashed as new. I am sure they are there to either cover her butt for the new book coming out or to get people interested in her again for her dating show.
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Admin said...She was careful with her words. Her words could have meant Kate doesn't have help anymore when SHE has the kids. She could have meant Kate is the sole provider of the kids WHEN THEY ARE WITH HER. The way she said it gives enough wiggle room for it to be true.
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Where's the wiggle room in this statement by Kate's attorney:
As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children," she said.
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Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child.
It's just like rape. It's not rape if you're with someone you want to be with and consent. It's suddenly rape if you don't consent. It's subjective.
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You are comparing the subjectivity of whether a spanking is or isn't abuse to rape? If you do not consent,it is rape. There is nothing subjective about it.
Berks: Do you think the kids are still security risks? There must be a lot of wealthy children at the school ( kidnap risks etc.) I take your word for it as you're local! I just hoped as time goes by post-JK+8, maybe people or at least kids would not know all that the show depicted. So I guess the kids are still 'famous?' That's sad how they are stuck between reality TV and real life.
The Christian schools sound good but honestly Kate does not strike me as a Christian !
Where's the wiggle room in this statement by Kate's attorney:
As of April 27, 2012, Kate voluntarily relieved Jon of all current and future child support obligations for their eight children," she said.
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Plenty of wiggle room. Kate didn't fight Jon when he asked for 50-50 and didn't fight him for child support. Because she can't anyway, because it's 50-50. All it means is Kate didn't fight the inevitable. In that sense, good for her not trying to stop 50-50, although I'm sure it was self serving. That's what the kids need.
With the custody being 50/50 Jon would also have access to those trust funds to pay for the kids education and health.
Admin, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the kids for their father to be able to afford a place to live? I think it is unrealistic for the judge to expect Jon to pay for half of the kids expensive school.
With Jon having the kids half the time now he will have to pay for babysitting while he works. Granted they are in school during the school year but what about days off of school?
Can't Jon take some of the trust fund money to pay for the babysitters? And could he take some to take the kids on a vacation?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 116
Mel so much of it is subjective isn't it? A little spanking one child might not even remember. But to another child a little spanking may have turned them upside down emotionally. Middle child syndrome may not ever touch one child, while another child may PERCEIVE they have a very hard life being a middle child.
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One of the hallmarks of a dysfunctional family is that each child assumes, or is given, a different role--We comment on this all the time. Think about how different H's tell-all will be from J's.
In my own family, we had 4 children, with my brother being 4years older than my older sister, my older sister being 4 years old and my younger sister being 7 years younger. So, 4 children over 15 years. If you read our biographies, you would think we all came from different families. Our father was a depressed alcoholic and my mother was his codependent who was too depleted from coping with my father that she had little nurturing left for us. This is a pretty typical dynamic in alcoholic family. My brother was a physically and sexually abusive to me and emotionally abusive to my youngest sister. My older sister had an accommodating disposition, while I was headstrong and rebellious by nature and my youngest sister was quiet and withdrawn. I was severely beaten by my father and my younger sister, being born to my parents late in life (for the times) was basically neglected. So neglected, that she succumbed to our creepy uncle's sexual abuse at age thirteen because she was starved for affection. Now, we were a nice middle-class Jewish family--none of this was seen to outsiders. My parents were active in politics, temple and community organizations. My father was a sign painter that started his own business. My mother earned a Bachelor degree and a Masters in Special Ed after she had kids. The apparent 'normalcy' of my family, in which reality didn't match the image, created a doubt in my own perception. I started acting out as a teenager--shoplifting, drug experimentation, skipping school, etc. ,--in essence creating an image that matched my reality.
So, in my family, it was every man for themselves. We never knew which of my father's personality would show up-kind and loving, raging or depressed. My brother was a workaholic who retired and lives on a boat--he is a full-fledged alcoholic and his wife left him after 40 years of marriage. My older sister is married to a sex addict and is morbidly obese. I married an alcoholic (now recovering) and my younger sister has married someone who is incapable of holding down a job. so, there you have it--we all lived out our family scripts. even my older sister, the Golden Child.
When children are not valued and treated as being enough, it creates a void in their soul and a lack of identity. It took me 50 years and a crisis in my marriage to realize that other people, my children, money and recognition could never fill that void--only I can do that.
Anonymous you're not understanding what I'm saying. But that's usual for you. Why get so snippy?
I'm saying you might have sex with your husband and you want to, but perhaps later on you have sex and you don't want to and tell him so. All of a sudden it's rape. The only thing that changed was how you perceived the sex.
The point being made is that a lot of "bad" things that happen to us are bad because of how we perceive them. This does not apply to ALL situations, just some. But certainly applies to middle child syndrome.
Regarding the uber-sheeple...
Little Paige has been gushing for two days over Kate's beauty. She's gone ballistic over this. Does Paige, um, like women? It's not normal, is it, for a supposedly 18-year-old female to be so totally enamored over a 38-year-old mother of eight kids? There's something really, really wrong with that whole thing.
I was thinking about Kate and Milo. If both of them have mental health issues, they could room together in the facility. Milo's life would be so much better with Kate close by and she could heap loving praises on her every day. Kate would be sustained by being told how wonderful, gorgeous, positive, amazing and brave she is. It would be a win-win situation. Light Out Man, though, might have a problem getting both of them tucked in at 11 p.m. if Kate wants to stay up and tweet!
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Anonymous you're not understanding what I'm saying. But that's usual for you. Why get so snippy?
I'm saying you might have sex with your husband and you want to, but perhaps later on you have sex and you don't want to and tell him so. All of a sudden it's rape. The only thing that changed was how you perceived the sex.
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No, perception is not the only thing that changed. In your scenario, the person said NO. Hence, it is rape. If you don't say no and decide after the fact that you really didn't want to have sex, it is not rape.
Just Me I have no idea who is permitted to access the trust fund or what Jon or Kate can access. As for babysitting, fortunately for Jon he has kept a lot of relatives in his life including his mother, Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin I'm sure are being very supportive about helping with the kids. And who knows maybe once school starts up they'll work out something else so the kids can be as stable as possible. What I'm seeing a lot more of lately is things being done in the children's best interest, which is a relief.
(This is Remona)
Mel said... 111
''While I agree that her behavior screams adult survivor of child abuse, I also think it's important to consider that the abuse may have been perceived abuse.''
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''I also wonder if mental health issues might manifest themselves in ways that look similar to how a child of abuse manifests it in adulthood. Perhaps there are mental health issues and child abuse issues, or one or the other.''
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I believe that ''perceived abuse'' AND ''mental health issues'' are both correct!
It is driving me nuts that so many people simply refuse to see (or admit?) that the money Kate is spending is money that was earned by the children and Jon...and Kate.
Remona
Anonymous why are you quibbling over this? You're missing the point. The point being that you can often decide if something is good or something is bad, depending on the moment, the circumstances, the person.
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Anonymous why are you quibbling over this? You're missing the point. The point being that you can often decide if something is good or something is bad, depending on the moment, the circumstances, the person.
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Because I disagree strongly with your point. Going back to child abuse, there are actions that constitute child abuse whether or not the victim perceives them as such. To say that it all comes down to perception is, quite frankly, offensive.
Ex-Nurse:
That's a very sad story. I feel for you & your siblings. You seem to turned out ok- a good career and hopefully achieved some peace and perspective. I'm sure the effects of abuse have lingered though...I was thinking last night how kind a person you are, taking time to give all the Glycine etc advice (I slept fairly well again! That's a great gift to me, even if it doesn't work long-term or all the time. :) ) and to the insomniacs on this blog!
Berks: Do you think the kids are still security risks?
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Yes. As long as there are deranged, rabid sheeple out there (and we have seen that there are), then those kids are still at risk, and will continue to be.
And yes, I am local (about as local as you can get)! I wish right now, though, that I would be someplace cool. Is there any place in the country where it is under 90 degrees?...Washington State, Minneapolis? This heat today is brutal.
Because I disagree strongly with your point. Going back to child abuse, there are actions that constitute child abuse whether or not the victim perceives them as such. To say that it all comes down to perception is, quite frankly, offensive.
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I agree. I never said that. I said "so much" of it is subjective. Not ALL of it. Abuse is abuse, of course. Of course there is nothing subjective about molestation or punching a kid in the face or a host of other things. I specifically referred to spanking, which is legal. One child might not be bothered by a little spanking, another might find it
I never said spanking was okay or not abuse, only that how a child reacts to it can and does vary. This is why so many child abuse cases require children to each have their own lawyer since the kids might be all across the board as to what happened. One kid might say I adore my mom she never hurt me, while another might say my mom beats the crap out of me I'm terrified. This is exactly what happened to the Crawford children, some said she was a nightmare, the youngest said she was wonderful.
Did you also see where I said "This is not in any way meant to minimize real abuse children have been victim to." There is no need to get all upset since I never said what you think I said.
Oddly though, the fans don't seem to care one iota about the kids. The deranged fans seem to be concerned mostly about Kate. Is there ever any examples of a fan trying to come after the kids? Kate is the one Steve said would get threatening packages and so on.
At the end of the day private schools and public schools can both have good security. Just because something has the label "public" on it doesn't mean they are incapable of protecting their students. If anything the kids might be safer at a bigger public school where instead of only one or two third grade classes there are six to try to find them in. Instead of one school bus to try to find them on, there are 50 school buses to try to find them odd. Odds are you would be caught before ever locating them, if the unthinkable ever should happen.
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No, perception is not the only thing that changed. In your scenario, the person said NO. Hence, it is rape. If you don't say no and decide after the fact that you really didn't want to have sex, it is not rape.
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Huh? You are saying that if someone does not expressly say the word "No", it cannot possibly be rape? You don't know what you are talking about. I suggest that you take the time to go educate yourself. You are free to post whatever you want, but you just lost any credibility with me.
Anonymous--
by your logic, I guess Sandusky is innocent?
In light of the mental health discussions I found this:
Answering Service At The Mental Institute
"Hello, and welcome to the mental health hotline.
If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly.
If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.
If you have multiple personalities, press 3,4,5, and 6.
If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.
If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will transferred to the mother ship.
If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you which number to press.
If you are manic depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press, no one will answer.
If you have a nervous disorder, please fidget with the hash key until someone comes on the line.
If you are dyslexic, press 6969696969.
If you have amnesia, press 8 and state your name, address, phone number, date of birth, social security number, and your mother's maiden name.
If you have post-traumatic-stress disorder, slowly and carefully press 000.
If you have bipolar disorder, please leave a message after the beep, or before the beep, or after the beep. Please wait for the beep.
If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9. If you have short term memory loss, press 9.
If you have low self esteem, please hang up. All our operators are too busy to talk to you."
Berks: lol, 103 F here..it's awful! This summer has been too hot , just as winter was odd, super- mild with little snow, hmmm. Go on over to Kate's for a dip in her POOL!
Well out of 5 kinds my being the 5th child I'm the youngest.
My father was a drunk and abusive my mother left him for those reason.
My brother who's a year older then me seems to be taking on our father's ways.
And I see my self becoming like my father as well but I realize this and I'm getting help.
If Kate was abusive she needs to do the same.(Just my POV)
Ex Nurse yeah really.
Anyway the point I was making has really to do with in general how Kate was raised. Perhaps a parent might feel that it is GOOD for a kid to go out and get a summer job when they are 16, to not spoil children with lavish vacations all the time but rather to teach them to be happy to stay at home, to not give their children the best clothes and shoes because it will ruin them. To insist on an orderly house with chores and respect.
One child might come out of that experience thinking I adore my parents, they gave me a firm foundation, I will raise my children the same. While another child might come out of the same exact situation thinking I was denied everything as a child, I never got what I wanted, I had to work so hard when i was a kid when I should have been out having fun, we never went on any trips, I never got the clothes and shoes I wanted. Hence I had a "bad" childhood and I'm going to estrange my parents.
That's the point I'm trying to make.
I notice Kate isn't responding to any of the praise about what a martyr she is. I would think she would be all over that if it were true.
Admin, I would think 50/50 would mean Jon would have the same access as Kate does to the trust funds or he should. It would not be fair to have Kate live in a nice house with the cars and trips she takes and tell Jon you have to come up with your own. He has to provide housing and transportation for the kids on the half time he has them.
Yeah I don't know Just Me. It depends. Financial things are a separate issue from custody decisions but they're related.
That would make sense I just don't know what the arrangement is. Maybe the agreement is Kate controls the money the family earned over six years, but Jon doesn't have to pay for expenses she pays out of this pot. Just a hunch. The problem with them sharing an account is I can see that setting up endless fights. If I were Jon's attorney I might not want to set him up for that kind of failure.
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I notice Kate isn't responding to any of the praise about what a martyr she is. I would think she would be all over that if it were true.
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Strange isn't it? She was the first one to publicly tweet her generosity in giving Jon their old BBB.
ExNurse, I have always enjoyed your posts.
Although you may have hinted that your childhood wasn't ideal, you have never shared so much of your story until today. You have my sympathy. You also have my admiration for what you have done to overcome a very sad childhood. You seem kind, sensitive and caring.
I have always thought many of gathered here trying to understand Kate as a key to trying to understand a part of our life that was painful.
Bless you for being brave enough to share.
I have always thought many of gathered here trying to understand Kate as a key to trying to understand a part of our life that was painful.
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I've always thought this is one of the few good things that came out of this situation. So many people have said for the first time I now understand that I had or have a narcissist in my life and it wasn't my fault. I think it's a beautiful thing to be able to recognize and deal with things like that around you instead of suffering in confusion for years.
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But, it provides the only framework that I can see in which her nasty personality traits and outrageous behavior actually makes sense.
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Then again, she could just have been a spoiled brat who wanted things her own way and didn't get them. People can grow up being nasty, mean and miserable because that's the nature of their personality.
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When Kevin talked about their childhood it seemed to me like he was saying Kate's been lazy and self-centered most of her life. Maybe her parents doled out tougher punishment on her than the rest of her siblings in an attempt to turn that laziness around. Kate speaks in code. In her mind hoeing a few extra rows of the garden could very well mean abuse.
Abuse is hard to define and if you asked ten people what abuse means to them you'd probably get ten different answers.
I agree she might have been a spoiled child, maybe very stubborn and lazy, with a Tom Sawyer whitewash-my-fence-for-me attitude, who just blossomed into a full-blown narcissist as an adult.
miloandjack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 Should be a natural instinct/desire 4a father 2provide 4his kids...shame courts have 2do it! Real dads pay.
Kate needs to tell Milo (and others) that she would appreciate it if they don't slam her children's father. Milo needs her tweeting fingers slapped. She's getting a bit more aggressive in her attacks on Jon.
I thought Milo and Kate were so close. Milo tweeted that there were many things she couldn't disclose. Wouldn't you think, then, that Milo knows everything that was happening within the courts and Jon's increased custodial time?
Is Milo a male or female? It's driving me nuts. No woman slobbers over another woman like this, unless there's a female-to-female physical attraction.
Well Milo, real moms pay for their children too and don't make THEM work for their needs and wants as Kate did for six years.
I ask as others have why is this inconvenient truth so blatantly ignored?
miloandjack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 Should be a natural instinct/desire 4a father 2provide 4his kids...shame courts have 2do it! Real dads pay
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Don't real mother support their children and not the other way around?
Don't real mother never say anything bad about their child's father even if she hates his gut?
Hey Milo, Real Moms like to be with their children. Real Moms woud sacrifice a summer of expensive hair treatments in order to gve their kids a vacation, if that's what it takes. Any one who tweets, feel free to share that with Milo. Who probably is only hinting that she knows anything 'real'. Pathetic.
Guess Kate is still sluggish per her twitter absence. So exhausting to mee and greet all day.
I thinks it's awfully coincidental that since the G8 aren't marketable any longer and therefore can't support Kate, she now agrees to go into a 50/50 custody arrangement. That to me is a stronger indication that she planned to have a HOM birth as a stepping stone to fame, freebies and big money.
admin, 162 said...I ask as others have why is this inconvenient truth so blatantly ignored?
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Because it's Milo and other sheeple. There are none so blind as those who will not see. There are none who are so much in love with Kate as Milo and Paige. They will never see the truth, even if it's put right up in front of their eyes in black and white. In their world, there is nothing such as critical thinking. Their reasoning ability has been totally eradicated when it comes to Kate. She's the hero; Jon is the villain, and so shall it be forever after.
Auntie Ann, 165 said...I thinks it's awfully coincidental that since the G8 aren't marketable any longer and therefore can't support Kate, she now agrees to go into a 50/50 custody arrangement.
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That, plus the fact that she's tired of them. They are no longer cute little toddlers with people to fuss over them, thus making her feel important. They serve no purpose. They are just ordinary kids, and she's had enough of it.
Kate's tweeting now she must be back home or on the way.
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
@NoraSaysNo lol no. Back home with my babies... Who are not babies but big kids who hold funny conversations :) missed them!
Yes, she's definitely back home, because she's twittering up a storm. Kate, if you missed them so much, why are you on twitter and not doing something with them?
I recall somewhere a remark made that as a child at times Kevin took punishment for Kate's misdeeds. Anyone else remember that? Did Kate say that on a couch interview? I'm looking and trying to find it.
kateplusmy8
@NoraSaysNo lol no. Back home with my babies... Who are not babies but big kids who hold funny conversations :) missed them!
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Back home and tweeting up a storm. She's abysmal.
I'd like to know when Kate EVER supported her family! If it weren't for the KIDS there would be NO SHOW, thus no big house, no millions, no fame for her, no three cars, etc etc.
What has she ever ever done to support her family??? At least Jon works!
I don't think going to public school would be some horrible thing for the kids. It certainly wouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened to them. And yes, we can and do provide tight security in public schools. I see no reason why a public school would be more lax about security than a private school!
Also why is it assumed they'd go to a huge public school?
Nurse, 150 said...Huh? You are saying that if someone does not expressly say the word "No", it cannot possibly be rape? You don't know what you are talking about. I suggest that you take the time to go educate yourself. You are free to post whatever you want, but you just lost any credibility with me.
Exactly. If an intruder comes into a home and rapes a victim, then it's not rape if she doesn't struggle, doesn't say "no" because she is in shock, she knows that putting up any kind of a struggle may result in her being murdered, or she is chloroformed? What about those who have been given a date rape drug? That isn't rape either?
She files a police report, but a rape charge wouldn't stick because she didn't say "no?" Good grief...
What's Next? said... 172
I recall somewhere a remark made that as a child at times Kevin took punishment for Kate's misdeeds. Anyone else remember that? Did Kate say that on a couch interview? I'm looking and trying to find it.
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Yes, I remember that, although not if it was said during a couch interview.
What's Next? said... 172
I recall somewhere a remark made that as a child at times Kevin took punishment for Kate's misdeeds. Anyone else remember that? Did Kate say that on a couch interview? I'm looking and trying to find it.
August 4, 2012 12:46 PM
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She said when she did inside Kate's world.
She said something like Kevin to her punishment when she did something wrong.
Kate needs to tell Milo (and others) that she would appreciate it if they don't slam her children's father. Milo needs her tweeting
fingersslapped. She's getting a bit more aggressive in her attacks on Jon.161
Twittering, I think for Kate it's not enough that her fans adore her; they also need to hate Jon in order to stay in her good graces. One of them had the audacity to tweet Jon (apologizing for nasty things she had said to/about him) and she was punished with"severeness," IIRC she was blocked from Kate's twitter.
But Milo's tweet is mild compared to some what the other die hard sheeple say about Jon. Lots of misandrists in that crew.
First, they are not babies. Stop it. Second, if you really missed them you would get off twitter and spend time with them after being out of state.
Kate is a twit said... 171
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
@NoraSaysNo lol no. Back home with my babies... Who are not babies but big kids who hold funny conversations :) missed them!
Yes, she's definitely back home, because she's twittering up a storm. Kate, if you missed them so much, why are you on twitter and not doing something with them?
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Ha! We must have been posting at the same time!
TootyTa @TootyTa
@Kateplusmy8 @NoraSaysNo @coffeemate Grifting again? So unbecoming.
7m Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@TootyTa @NoraSaysNo nope. Just talking about products I believe in and love...Don't we all? I like tooting horns of comps who deserve it!
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HAHAHAHAHAH I thought Kate didn't answer her haters or care about them.
Are Jon and Kate living in separate school districts? One of the very few nice things about a divorce is that it often opens up an opportunity to have a choice of two school districts, either the mother or father's, whichever is better suited for the kids.
A recently divorced friend of mine was happy about one thing, finding an apartment in the best school district around. He put his kids on the lease and as quick as that they could enroll. Public school security has increased even more in the past decade due to school shootings. If anything you're safer at a public school with lots of security presence and metal detectors. Not ideal but it's a misnomer to assume they are not as secure. It's a "limited" public place, they have every legal right to kick out a photographer or fan causing problems and call the cops.
I don't really consider their current private school all that protective when they splashed all those videos of the kids at their graduation or doing Sound of Music on Vimeo.com. That's hardly thinking about how could easily find those and spread them around--exactly what happened. It resulted in a lot of comments about the kids not being able to keep up with the hand motions, the whole thing was awful and tells me this private school doesn't have the first clue how to protect celebrity children. There are many public schools that wouldn't DREAM of putting up a video of any of their children without parental consent.
Also why is it assumed they'd go to a huge public school?
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Because they would have to go to the school within their district, and it is a large public school system compared to where they are now. In the public school, there are more kids in one elementary school than the total number of students in lower, middle and upper school in their current school. The student-teacher ratio in the public school averages 16 to 1; in their current school it averages 6 or 8 to 1. So yes, it would be huge to them.
I'm a public school administrator. At our school, there's only one set of doors you can enter and they go to the main office. You cannot access the school before you go to the main office and speak to the secretary.
Parent and community volunteers have to have a clear criminal background check on file to volunteer in the school, and we run that check in 50 states. It's more expensive, but we decided several years ago it's worth it.
Even if you work for the school district and are picking up your child, you have to show ID and we check the list. Even if you claim to be a grandparent and the child obviously recognizes you, you CANNOT take them with you without permission from parent(s) on file.
We have shelter in place drills for when a dangerous person is loose in the school. All children and teacher go to the least visible portion of the classroom, lights off, door locked, totally silent, and they don't open the door for any reason whatsoever.
There has to be signed parent/guardian permission on file to use a child's likeness in any way. Image, video, audio, even student work.
I could go on, but you guys get the point. Security and safety are paramount. If the students and teachers don't feel safe, we can't have a productive school day. No measure is too big or too small to protect kids and teachers.
I have no doubt it would seem bigger to the G kids, but 16 to 1 is still an amazingly good ratio. That's not considered a big school at all.
AuntieAnn said... 167
I thinks it's awfully coincidental that since the G8 aren't marketable any longer and therefore can't support Kate, she now agrees to go into a 50/50 custody arrangement.
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I couldn't agree more. Over a year ago I posted on another blog that as soon as the kids stopped making money for her she would be more than happy to give Jon more time with them. Looks like she waited about a year after filming stopped and since no other offers came through Jon is now good enough to be with them more. Besides it gives her a babysitter for all those times she is away doing nothing of importance.
I also figured when she found herself becoming a nobody she would all of a sudden take an interest in the locals. She couldn't be bothered to give anyone the time of day before and now that she is desperate the community is good enough for her.
I hope no one thinks I'm arguing about the school thing. It's really not even a debate, since there's no factual reason to think they're switching schools this year.
I just took a bit of offense at the idea that going to public school would be so awful for them. ;)
What's Next 152,
Oh my lord, I laughed out loud and the DH thought I was choking......
Thank you for that light look at a serious problem!!! Hilarious.........
If we can't laugh, then we have lost our soul....
ROFLMAO
I don't really consider their current private school all that protective when they splashed all those videos of the kids at their graduation or doing Sound of Music on Vimeo.com.
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If Kate didn't sign a statement prohibiting the filming of those kids, then they were within their rights of publishing the videos. If such a form wasn't signed, they are not going to through every single photo to see if the kids show up in them. The school would know the permission slips they have on file.
If she did sign such a statement, then the videos shouldn't have been released. It's really tough, though, when you have a program in which so many kids are involved. What is the school going to do -- refuse to show any of the kids participating in their program because a few of the Gosselins are in them? Is that fair to the other kids? Is it fair to the Gosselins not to be able to participate with the other students because of videotaping? It's a very tricky situation.
Interesting about the perceived abuse.
I was doing heavy duty therapy with a sibling a while back. He kept bringing up how us older kids had everything and he didn't. Poor abused, picked-on him. I couldn't seem to get thru to him that everybody gets some things and not other things.
I finally got so mad about this that I made a ledger with columns headings and a check mark if that was true for you. I had each of us five siblings fill it out for themselves only.
What an interesting excercise. I learned a lot about the other siblings' perception of their childhood in the process!
What came out of it, and very clearly, was that each of us received different plus's and minus's from our parents. Completely unintentionally, because they did their best to treat us all fairly and equitably.
But times change, finances change, parents age, and things are different as time goes on.
For instance, I started working at age 14 and have never stopped. He didn't start working until age 22. His college was paid for (they had more money by then), my other siblings and I did not have college paid for, and some of them couldn't go.
We all paid for our own clothes, eyeglasses, dentist, starting at age 14. He's never paid all of his own bills.
I got to be in band (musically gifted), he didn't (tone-deaf). The other brothers were in Boy Scouts (dad was the troop leader), this brother wasn't (by then dad was wearing out).
He got to be in football and other sports. I didn't get to do any after school activities cuz I had to babysit him. The other brothers didn't because they had to go to work after school.
He got to go on plane trips (alone) with mom and dad throughout his childhood; the rest of us never flew anywhere until we were middle-aged adults.
My other siblings and I rarely got to do anything alone with mom and dad. We either did things as a family, or dad took one of us and mom stayed home with the other kids. We were sooo jealous that he got to go on trips alone with mom and dad.
Some brothers earned scholarships to a nature camp, something this one didn't do. Turned out that all these years he thought mom and dad paid for that camp. Nope. Those brothers *earned* that camp with their hard work.
Mom and Dad went to all of his sports games. They never came to my band concerts as a pair, cuz someone had to stay home with the younger kids.
I always had to babysit the younger siblings, especially him (mom was very ill after his birth), and thus was not allowed any social life whatsoever, which I really resented.
He, being the youngest, had all kinds of social life, but what he really wanted was the bonding we older siblings had.
It was just the give and take of family life. Some things you get, others you don't.
Funny how that stupid ledger I made opened the door to all kinds of dialog between us all.
We knew he was devastated when dad was killed in an accident when he was only 15. But he had no idea that I went back to work full-time in order to help out mom. He didn't know that another brother paid off the house and the sole propietorship business debt. All those grocery store gift cards that arrived anonymously in the mail? Yep, that was me. Never told him, or mom.
Give and take.
He wasn't neglected, like he'd been thinking he was. He just got different things than we did, due to evolving financial circumstances, older parents, times changing.
I can see Kate in this scenario thinking that she'd been "abused". But she wouldn't have been.
omg, some mother asking KATE what to do with a 3 week old infant with a fever ! That's serious. Kate said pediatrician, better than her usual advice- I'd say ER if really hot + other S/S. How clueless are people?
Kate is a twit: Kate also must have taken the twins to NYC, cause Jason her hair guy, tweeted back to Kate that he met the girls. I don't think he was talking about Kates boobs. If that is true, and PB was with Kate who was with the girls, while Kate was at the blogher convention. Did kate take the not hired nanny help with and sent the tups to dad? sounds like it.
Also, since maybe if true Kate is actually home, she could be lying, CC only paid for 1 day, and Kate was there for show(as in arm candy show) not there to learn anything or give out info. Perhaps CC got wise to Kate, maybe they figured that Kate might network herself, and not CC(she did that on the Today show). So they brought her there for 1 day. I bet that PO Kate.
Lord, has she come up for air with this tweeting since being with her kids? I don't even go on twitter, but every two seconds, there's a new tweet from her at the top of this page.
The sad thing is I'm quite sure the kids are used to her ignoring them by now.
Is that fair to the other kids? Is it fair to the Gosselins not to be able to participate with the other students because of videotaping?
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They can film whatever they want. They just don't have a right to put it on a public video site. There are a million ways to upload videos to private locations on the internet. Vimeo has a very simple function that's pretty foolproof where you can password protect your videos. They ended up doing this after some creepy fans spread them around. They should have thought to do that the first time around.
I don't care if Kate did or didn't opt out, a school protective of celebrity children should have known to password protect their videos or at least double check with Kate about this. As I recall Kate was horrified when she found out, she obviously was not consulted or doesn't remember being consulted.
What videos? Why didn't they end up on YouTube?
(not that I want/need to see them) Just hadn't heard on her Twitter.
You just don't put the video on the internet (unprotected and public) unless every parent of every kid in the video signed a release.
Which basically means in our district we never put videos on the Internet that are unprotected and public. Why take the chance?
Thanks, Dmasy and Once a Viewer and other supportive folks! Somehow my life has led me to the right places to find healing and serenity in my imperfect life. I have a good relationship with my family. we definitely bring the fun in dysfunctional! Now that my children and niece and nephews are in the stages of life where we are celebrating weddings and graduations, we have had happy times together.
What's next- I remember some version of that. It is a great reminder that any situation can be improved if approached with a sense of humor.
On to my immediate problem of figuriing out my patio planters. It is a beautiful sunny day in Seattle. Our cold nights keep it from getting too uncomfortable. I'm from Chicago, so I do know what hot is!
Over In Berks said... 147
And yes, I am local (about as local as you can get)! I wish right now, though, that I would be someplace cool. Is there any place in the country where it is under 90 degrees?...Washington State, Minneapolis? This heat today is brutal.
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We are up to 89 today and 90 tomorrow! That is hot for us Washingtonians. I know it doesn't seem hot for most of the country that has been suffering but the problem is that we have what I call "psychotic weather" which makes it hard to acclamate to. It will be 60 one day and 85 the next.
My daughter is leaving for Langhorne, PA on the 18th-she is going to Philadelpha Biblical University (now Cairn University) to play volleyball. She is very stressed out about working out outside in the heat!
I love this blog but all the exciting news this past few days is keeping me from getting my work done. Walk away, JJ, Just walk away from the computer....
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