Are you there God? It's me, Kate.
We will do a “book club” style discussion of a few chapters at a time as we read the book together. You are free to read with the group or skip ahead. You are also free to discuss whatever you like, however if you want to partake in the book club discussion, this thread is here to discuss the designated chapters. Robert Hoffman’s book “Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World” is available on Amazon for Kindle. The Kindle app is free for multiple platforms, including PCs.
5. Bad Blog
Kate obsessively reads what is said about her on the internet, from Google news alert to the Gosselin blogs. Undeniably the first online presence to ever call Kate out was the Reading Eagle, a small but respected local newspaper. Staff member Dana Hoffman kept a blog on the site detailing Kate's misdeeds. Kate's people eventually called up the Reading Eagle and asked them to shut down her blog. Within hours the paper removed it from the site. Kate keeps files on her computer with information from blogs and even on their moderators. The file folder for Dana's blog was entitled "Bad Blog."
In January 2008, Kate also asked Discovery to remove Television Without Pity's Jon and Kate forum (which in fact was closed eventually, in June 2008), and the Discovery Health Channel forum.
Kate's house is in a rural neighborhood and surrounded by farmland. She once drove the kids three hours to Maryland to trick-or-treat in her bodyguard Steve's neighborhood.
When Jodi and Kevin spoke publicly about what they saw, Kate fired off an email to Discovery with her three favorite words: "Can we sue?"
According to a member of Kate's family, Kate has been diagnosed with bi-polar, but refuses to take medication.
Hoffman once observed Kate with the kids when she was having a very stable, happy day. She and the nanny, Judy, took the sextuplets to get donuts, later they went to the park and spent a long time there, then met up with another mother and her daughter for a play date back at the house. Hoffman also observed her chatting up and flirting with a park employee.
7. Kate's God Complex
“I asked her how that works as far as our rate going up from Disc Health network and the ‘fringe benefits’ as I call them…. She said that the amount we are paid per show will not take away from what they (AMP) will provide for us. She used the examples of the kids beds… she said those things come out of their (AMP) budget from the network. So that is almost mind boggling to me we will be paid for each episode and receive fringe benefits!!!!! Lord, how great thou art!!!!!”
Kate felt God was "urging" her to quit her nursing job.
Kate said that if Discovery wasn't going to pay for the beds she wasn't going to allow them to film the episode about beds. Jen (producer Jen Stocks) was annoyed by this.
As for Jon, Kate wrote: “I pray that his complacency would leave him and would turn into passion for the Lord! Lord PLEASE help Jon to desire these things!!!!!! Help him to become a man of integrity!!!!! Lord please!!!!! He could be the perfect man if he could get these things under control and let God take control!!!!!”
Alexia foods sent four cases of fries. Other food was sent by others or offered at reduced prices. Fans, friends and family sent gift cards and cash, including $250 from Kate's parents, and Kate attributed it all to God.
Kate writes this about the children: “Lord I am begging you to help me be a loving caring kind and slow to anger mommy. Please stop me somehow from hurting my kids and help me to be slow to anger!!!! I love them SOOO much. Help them to obey me!!!!! And not get into trouble!!!!! Please Lord, amen!!!!”
1872 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1872 Newer› Newest»readerlady said..I haven't gotten to the place where KK hires a fulltime nanny currently,
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Please update us after you read that section and let me know which chapter it is. I've got a boatload of things I'm catching up with today but will check back in. I'm very interested to know if Kate now has full time nanny. I can't figure out why she'd get one now since TLC isn't paying and the kids are in school all day. Nanny or housekeeper? Very curious.
The injunction is "temporary" while the copyright issues get sorted.
Hoffman made himself vulnerable by putting in so much content written by Gosselin. He may be subject to financial penalties for the books sold while that content remained.
However, if the journal entries were emailed, he should be in the clear. Emails are not secure correspondence, and are treated as postcards in most legal instances. They are considered public.
However, Hoffman may be able to "re-publish" with much of Gosselin's content edited out. That won't make any big difference now, since it's all over the Internet. None of his own research, his own evidence, or anything for which he has independent proof should be affected, and can all continue to be made available.
Yes, Amazon can and will remove copied on YOUR devices if the law firm prevails. Welcome to Wi-Fi. If Amazon pulls it, you can't keep it unless you're storing it where Amazon can't find it.
In any case, the damage is done. Discussion cannot be stopped, quotes cannot be taken down.
I agree with the poster who said that they suspect that Singer advised Kate to ignore it. No matter what she pays in legal fees now, the realest realities of her life are now very, very public.
I'm guessing she didn't want to pay the legal costs involved in trying to delay a publication that didn't exist, was told by her lawyers that Hoffman would have to publish before this particular action could be taken, and then she flipped out once she saw what the book contained.
Whether she'll continue to pay the lawyers now that the barn door is open and the manure is everywhere is anyone's guess.
She's paying for nothing now. No matter what Hoffman makes off the book, it won't pay her legal bills.
Here is a site that might be of help to Robert.
https://www.eff.org/
The Electronic Frontier Foundation
They helped a friend a mine, who wrote a blog about a radio station that used hate speech. This friend had used audio clips from the radio station and he got a cease and desist letter from the parent company that owned the radio station...Disney! The Internet provider was scared too and wanted to take down the site. Now that's scary! Especially after my friend used correct, legal guidelines about the amount of seconds for each audio clip used.
Anyway, the EFF gave my friend legal advice and the blog stayed up. Also, many blog readers copied his content and hosted the blog on their servers so the information is still on the web.
Good luck, Robert!
I hope it's ok to share this.
RE: The kids suspension and Judy the Nanny.
Alexis was actually suspended twice. She was suspended once and then shortly after she was suspended along with Collin.
Kate did not tell Jon about the first suspension. Judy told Jon because she felt he should know. Kate fired Judy for this.
Susantoyota said... 200 I hadn't heard that Steve was with Kate at fashion week. Where did you find out? Thanks.
Yeah Kate, just try to put the lid on that book but just know that forbidden fruits are so much sweeter :-) She should be happy, being all front-page news all over again.
Kinda funny though that she never even tries to defend herself, proofing it is all mean lies in that book or that even her ex husband Jon is not coming to her defense.
Even Stephanie wants to read the book. I rarely ever see her-yet in the last 24 hours she's popped in her 5 times.
Dmasy- the next you join us, can you let us know how your son and his girlfriend did in their races today?
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 6
Susantoyota said... 200 I hadn't heard that Steve was with Kate at fashion week. Where did you find out? Thanks.
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Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB, I realized I was mistaken as soon as I saw your comment. I should have said he was with her at the blogger's conference. It's too early after a quick driving trip to see relatives.
So he hasn't been seen with her since then?
Has there been any official parting of the ways or has Skeeve-o just done a gradual fade-out?
Sorry for the confusion?
Berks Neighbor, great catch on the Daily Mail article being swiffered! I can't believe that was done!
https://al-walentis.squarespace.com/2012/9/28/whoi-is-robert-hoffman-and-why-is-he-writing-those-terrible-things-about-kate-gosselin
Mr. Walentis and pal Polly are simply envious of the attention given this book and that fact that is displays what is, apparently, actual proof, and hoping to use it to increase purchase of their own poor-selling items. It does make them look petty and foolish. Their agenda is just as clear as they claim Mr. Hoffman's to be.
Legal Eagles said... 3
The injunction is "temporary" while the copyright issues get sorted....
I'm guessing she didn't want to pay the legal costs involved in trying to delay a publication that didn't exist, was told by her lawyers that Hoffman would have to publish before this particular action could be taken, and then she flipped out once she saw what the book contained.
Whether she'll continue to pay the lawyers now that the barn door is open and the manure is everywhere is anyone's guess.
She's paying for nothing now. No matter what Hoffman makes off the book, it won't pay her legal bills.
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Legal Eagles~
Thank you so much for your entire post. Very helpful and much of it what I'd suspected and hoped for. You made me feel a whole lot better.
I can't imagine that TLC/Discovery has ever been all that concerned about this book. C&D letters are sent out all the time....just hoping that waving around an attorney's letterhead will cause the other party to get nervous and back off. I would think TLC/Discovery has bigger fish to fry...and that Kate is the least of their problems.
If the IP issues strictly concern passages from Kate G.'s books...that could be sorted out somehow....right? Possibly scale them back or something? I apologize, as I don't have access to the actual book right now.
My gut feeling is that Kate threw a fit when she read the content...and demanded it be shut-down on Amazon....even though the lawyers may have advised her to just leave well enough alone. It's very possible that it may have only caused a minor splash out there and then just died out on its own.....considering how few are even interested in Kate G. anymore.
WE have always been interested in the child abuse issues involved and the huge cover-up of it by TLC/Discovery and major news outlets.....but I suspect most of the rest of the world doesn't and just wandered away and lost interest....just like they did with Paris Hilton and will soon do to the Kardashians and the RHW's.....and down the road will do with Honey BooBoo. It's the nature of the beast.
Kate G. and everything written about her are a huge deal to her in her own delusional mind and to her handful of die-hard fans.....and of course, we who have followed this saga from the beginning also care (but for different reasons).....but I suspect most of the world does not and have forgotten about her.
If I'd been her attorney, I think I'd have just told her to ignore it and let it just fade away on its own.....but I can see her throwing a fit and insisting it be shut-down. Either way....I don't think that most of the rest of the world is going to care. I just wish I could read the book....and looks like I might not get to. And simply for free speech issues....I want to see the book available to all who are still interested.
Not a spoiler:
I just want you to know the vindication I feel knowing that things we talked about as factual have actually turned out to be well, factual
Things we discussed waaaaay back in the beginning.
Things we didn't actually know, but were pretty certain of.
Things the giddies and bm then used to call us " jellus" and "haters".
As usual, they will put their own unique spin on all of this and end up looking dumber than the proverbial box of rocks.
But, I don't care. We were right. We knew it then and RH simply puts the nail in their coffin.
Regarding the abortion, I guess she didn't have any problem with selective reduction at that time did she....
New article at ROL. Again written by the exec. VP.
Vitriolic Book About Kate Gosselin Written By Jon’s Pal Removed From Sale After Legal Threats
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/09/kate-gosselin-book-removed-amazon-jon-gosselin-pal-author-robert-hoffman
I don't think Robert gave Kate's lawyers a copy of the book before it was published. If he had, I would think that they would have acted to stop publishing. I think that they were waiting for it to be published because that was the only way they could get a copy.
Because the book is so long(as those of us that have it are finding out), I think they got a temporary suspension so that they could could go over the book with a fine tooth comb.
The letter from Amazon said that "they received a notice from a third party claiming that the distribution of the following title you submitted for sale through the Amazon Kindle Store MAY not be properly authorized by the appropriate rights holder".
The part about intellectual property was Amazon's wording not the lawyers. They just informing Robert that he may have violated a third party's rights by publishing the book.
Kate's lawyers will first have to read the book to see if they have a case to claim that her rights were violated.
At least that's my humble opinion.
Just remember the whole content of the letter was written by Amazon, not the lawyers.
westcoastie said... 15
Not a spoiler:
I just want you to know the vindication I feel knowing that things we talked about as factual have actually turned out to be well, factual
Things we discussed waaaaay back in the beginning.
Things we didn't actually know, but were pretty certain of.
Things the giddies and bm then used to call us " jellus" and "haters".
As usual, they will put their own unique spin on all of this and end up looking dumber than the proverbial box of rocks.
But, I don't care. We were right. We knew it then and RH simply puts the nail in their coffin.
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Hmm lets see.
All the things that have been speculated about and talked about on this blog Robert confirms in his book. (even using the same quotes and words)
Robert reads and has commented here.
Admin has a source who says the same things as Robert, though, I am sure, uses a different name.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!
I've spent the last two days reading this book, so I have MANY posts to catch up on. Let me just say,first of all, thank you Robert for all you've done to expose this bitch! I am absolutely INFURIATED at what she's done to her children and to Shoka and Nala. I can barely contain my anger. May she get what she truly deserves. Actually, may she rot in hell! That IS what she deserves, is it not? Hey Kate? F*ck you!!
Regarding my post #18, I have no legal experience whatsoever--it is strictly my opinion.
Didn't get caught up on comments so apologies if this has been updated already... RH has a new post about why the book was taken down, and here is the copy of a chat I just had with amazon about owning the book already:
You are now connected to Vinay from Amazon.com.
Me:I purchased a book on my kindle on Friday and told a friend about it this morning. SHe went to get it and it is no longer available to purchase. I am wondering if it is possible that the book which I have already purchased can be removed by amazon from my kindle at this point?
Vinay:Hello Misty, my name is Vinay.
Please do not worry Misty. The book which you currently have in your account will not be removed by Amazon.
Me:You are sure?
Vinay:Yes, I'm sure Misty.
Me:Ok thank you!
Q said... 16
Regarding the abortion, I guess she didn't have any problem with selective reduction at that time did she....
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In all fairness, as I understand it, Kate was 17 at the time and her father made her get the abortion. And it actually makes me feel sympathy for the then 17 year old Kate G.
I don't really have a problem with Mr. Hoffman mentioning that in his book.....but what I would LOVE to know is whether her father, a preacher, was a pro-life advocate publicly at the time....while privately, he was making his own teen daughter get an abortion. That would be the height of hypocrisy to me.
I just read the Walentis blog post mentioned above ( sorry, new tablet and don't know how to c&p just yet)
Is he high?
The "definitive" book on Jon and Kate in 2009?
I didn't waste my time but from what I recall people said it was rehashed crap. Nothing new.
Sounds to me like he and Polly are "jellus haters".
I emailed a copy as an attachment to everyone I know and then sent an email to her lawyers telling them so. What is she going to do, sue all of us? Go ahead and spread it to everyone you know. And ask them to donate to Robert while you are at it. Let Kate see that she can't sue everyone!!
Regarding my post #18, I just want to say that I have no legal experience whatsoever. It is strictly just my opinion.
Regarding the part about Kate and the school, I read that yesterday. That is a recent/ongoing issue, not the expulsion. RH said there were issues with how she treats the kids and how he treated them over the summer. He said he couldn't comment on it, but it would come out after the book was published.
I do believe she let the kids alone at home at night to run. There was also a mention of that "family weeding project" Kate tweeted about this summer. She made it sound like they were happily weeding together, but RH went over to watch and see what was happening. Kate was jogging in the driveway, then sitting in the shade screaming at the kids while they did the work. He said it was hot and they were begging to go inside. If she has so much money, then why not let the yard people do the weeding instead of 8-yr-olds? And she doesn't want to get all dirty, so she sits in the shade and "masterminds" it all. I remember when her tweet came out about it, we discussed the fact that no way would Kate mess up her manicure doing yard work. We were right.
Hello Kate Gosselin!
"I just want you to know" that I have saved your expose to a thumb drive and just delivered it to my neighbor up the street. She is going to take it to her work and copy it for 3 of her friends. I assume they will pass their copies on to friends and family. (though I know you don't understand those words) Spank that with a wooden spoon you psycho!
khater said... 12
https://al-walentis.squarespace.com/2012/9/28/whoi-is-robert-hoffman-and-why-is-he-writing-those-terrible-things-about-kate-gosselin
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I just don't get "shoot the messenger" because he MAY not have obtained the materials how he says he did.
Where's the outrage over Kate's behavior? WTF is in the water in these parts of Pennsylvania?
I don't get it. Over time, there's been multitudes of books written about people without their consent. They didn't have their legal people get a C&D, most just dealt with it and moved on - or just simply ignored it. Kate fears people will finally know and believe the truth about her or TLC fears getting into trouble for covering the abuse (and everything else) up, maybe both it's both scenarios. Either way I think they protest too much...
Who guessed? said... 19
westcoastie said... 15 Not a spoiler: I just want you to know the vindication I feel knowing that things we talked about as factual have actually turned out to be well, factual Things we discussed waaaaay back in the beginning. Things we didn't actually know, but were pretty certain of. Things the giddies and bm then used to call us " jellus" and "haters". As usual, they will put their own unique spin on all of this and end up looking dumber than the proverbial box of rocks. But, I don't care. We were right. We knew it then and RH simply puts the nail in their coffin.
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Hmm lets see. All the things that have been speculated about and talked about on this blog Robert confirms in his book. (even using the same quotes and words)
Robert reads and has commented here.
Admin has a source who says the same things as Robert, though, I am sure, uses a different name.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!
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I also meant waaaaay back when it was gwop and moon, for years and years!!!
Regardless, we knew.
Question...
If Amazon does pull the book, and refunds everyone's money, then there will not be any proceeds to pay Kate or anyone else. If we pass the book around amongst ourselves, and donate to Robert's legal fund, then she wouldn't have claim to that money because it is not payment for the book...right? We are free to donate to a cause we believe in, and it is not payment for the book if we're not "buying" the book. So she would be entitled to nothing as far as proceeds. Admin, would that be correct? I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like it would be true.
I hope Kate's legal fees bury her for this. We will all do whatever we can to help keep Robert afloat, but she's on her own.
And for the record, I hope there's plenty of money left over in that fund once Robert's legal fees are paid. He did something great for all of us.He validated us. I find that comforting. We now know we were fighting on the right side. I know he and his family are having financial difficulties, and he stands to make nothing off all his work. I hope we are able to not just cover his legal fees, but make his life a little easier.
"Damned if you do and damned if you don't". When I first started reading posts here as we started reading the book, so many were moved and gleefully asked Robert to make some way possible for us to donate to help with anything that may come his way. Now I read where some are uncomfortable with how and the timing to which he gave us what we asked for.
Sorry if anyone is offended with my post, it's not personal to any one person. I just think he has enough to contend with without having to hear any comments about how he did what was asked. Why didn't anyone come up with suggestions on when and how he should do it when we asked him to do it.
Thank you Robert for all that you have gone and are going through to save little Collin, the one who just wants to not be seen, and his precious brothers and sisters who just want to be loved. I will have your back the best way I know how no matter how you choose to do things. After all, it is you who has to make the decisions and suffer any consequences. My prayer for you is, to protect you from any evil wrong doings by others.
Who guessed #419,
This is NOT a coincidence that the RH book confirms so much of or speculation here.
It IS confirmation of how observant all the posters here are, and what great consulting detectives we would all be!
” ...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.”
-Sherlock Holmes in The Sign of the Four by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
FYI Robert is not and has never been a source of mine. I didn't even know who he was until he first announced the book.
I just read the ROL article. I like how it says "while Kate allegedly committed acts that cannot be republished here."
Meanwhile, their 3 previous articles, including the first one where some of her acts were described are still on their site.
Who the heck is this VP guy at ROL? Does he read his own website???
From ROL articule:
"It is not yet clear if Kate or her former network will sue Hoffman. And while he describes himself as Jon’s friend, he gives no indication what Jon thinks of the “book” and why Jon stood by while Kate allegedly committed acts THAT CANNOT BE REPUBLISHED HERE. (emphasis mine)
Jon has not responded to Radar’s requests for comment.
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Days ago, they were chomping at the bit to get stories about the "allegedly committed acts", even to the point of posting photos of "the spanker". Those articules, of course, were written by plain old gossip writers. But this VP takes time to post, posts that they can't post about it, even when they have already posted about it!
This sounds very personal. I wonder if Kate has been at home all weekend doing "paperwork"...you know, sending letters to people like this guy saying that she is "disabled" and can't be expected to take care of this on her own. Oh to have access to her emails now!
I feel really bad for the trash guys too! Kate is going to be expecting them to pick up her trash at her front door from now on!
Who guessed? said... 19
Hmm lets see.
All the things that have been speculated about and talked about on this blog Robert confirms in his book. (even using the same quotes and words)
Robert reads and has commented here.
Admin has a source who says the same things as Robert, though, I am sure, uses a different name.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!
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Wait....are you saying you suspect some huge conspiracy here? Between the posters here, the Administrator, some secret SOURCE and Mr. Hoffman? Am I understanding you correctly?
I apologize if I'm incorrect here.....but sounds like you suspect some sort of major conspiracy.
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I could be wrong but I'm suspecting that "Who guessed?" may be a troll? And is suggesting that the Administrator here is involved in some sort of major conspiracy related to the info in this book?
Kate is a twit, we are on the same wavelength!
westcoastie,
Robert has been around since the moon and gwop days too. realitytvkids is just the most popular 'hate' blog right now. Robert is telling you all what he thinks you want to hear. He is regurgitating back what you all say and speculate.
He comes on here and writes that he is having financial difficulties and boom! the lets donate to Robert cry comes up.
I think he is a con who befriended Jon who believes everyone around him (Heller comes to mind)got a kernel of truth about Kate and embellished the rest.
I was away on a biz trip and found out about this book when I returned. I didn't buy it (no Kindle or other device) I didn't know that I could download to the PC. And NOW I can't read it!! I am dying here. I do enjoy your posts but would LOVE to get a copy, I did make a nice donation to Robert just in case someone takes pity on me. LOL Thanks
Re: the dogs. Not sure what was written that she did to them. However, if anyone remembers she spoke at an event and was complaining/laughing about how the dogs chewed themselves out of the crates? Many of us thought then, the dogs would ONLY do this if left alone in there for a LONG time. That idiot was LAUGHING about it, how much trouble those dogs were. She is truly stupid.
I had a vague memory that Jon and Kate had court-ordered parenting classes. here is an article in ivillage:
Kate Gosselin and her ex-husband Jon are about to get schooled. The reality-show parents, currently immersed in their custody battle, have been ordered by the court to take parenting classes.
According to TMZ, both Gosselin parents will participate in three-hour classes called "Children in the Middle," where they will learn about "about the dangers of exposing their children to loyalty conflicts."
The exes reportedly won't be attending the classes together, which is good considering the pair haven't exactly been seeing eye to eye since thier marriage famously deteriorated.
Both Gosselins will have until June 8 to complete the courses. Let's hope during that time, they'll both learn some valuable lessons that benefit our eight favorite Gosselins.
Read More http://www.ivillage.com/jon-and-kate-gosselin-ordered-take-parenting-classes/1-a-153878#ixzz27yZ79HDT
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Is there any one here who is familiar with PA divorces and knows whether this is required of all divorcing parents?
High priced lawyer needs to represent Robert for free. Hope one steps up.
Who guessed? said... 40
AGREE! AGREE 100%!!! You are so right, and we are so silly to have been duped like that. Thank you for coming here to set us straight.
Imagine: a bleating sheeple telling us we had the wool pulled over our eyes.
Huh, who would have guessed?
dee3-ROL has now remove the links to the older stories about the book from that article. However, they are still on their site. I'm wondering if they are removing them as we speak.
This article's may not make Robert look good, but it also doesn't make Kate look good. Now people will wonder what is in the book that both Kate's lawyers and Discovery are trying to stop it.
Amazing to think that if 17 year old Kate had been allowed to go through with her pregnancy, we probably wouldn't know who she is.
Thanks to Berks Neighbor (#190) for capturing the screen shot from the Mail Online.
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Who guessed? said... 40
westcoastie,
Robert has been around since the moon and gwop days too. realitytvkids is just the most popular 'hate' blog right now. Robert is telling you all what he thinks you want to hear. He is regurgitating back what you all say and speculate......
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Oh puh...leeze. And I guess all the documentation in Kate's own words is just totally irrelevant. Don't confuse you with the facts?
Please just go home. Nobody is interested in your paranoid conspiracy theories here.
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Gahh....just read the latest ROL article. No ROL, both Kate's attorney and TLC/Discovery's attorneys did not get R. Hoffman's book removed from Amazon. TLC/Discovery's attorneys sent a cease and desist letter to Mr. Hoffman only...not to Amazon. Amazon suspended sales when contacted by KATE'S attorney's.
Depressing how they sensationalize and skew so much of what they report.
And even if they remove the related stories from their site, the still exists, in hardcopy, the article that was published in Star magazine, their own affiliate.
Maybe ROL should have checked first and published later.
They are just promoting more interest in the book and what is in there with all their little legal letters. Quite foolish.
Frankly, I wonder if her father even knew Kate Gosslin had an abortion...she might have hidden it.
Who guessed? said... 40
westcoastie,
Robert has been around since the moon and gwop days too. realitytvkids is just the most popular 'hate' blog right now. Robert is telling you all what he thinks you want to hear. He is regurgitating back what you all say and speculate......
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Oh, yes, total agreeance here! Kate never said an unkind word to anyone, that spoon was in her van just to make cookies on the road, and she has never been anything but loving to every single one of her children, her spouse, her employees and every widdle person who has crossed her path.
Oh, and Kate NEVER lies on Twitter. Or anywhere else. Ever, ever.
Robert made it all up!!! THANK YOU, WHO GUESSED FOR REMOVING THE BLINDFOLD FROM OUR EYES, AND THE EVIDENCE FROM THE VIDEOS!!
Nuttin' but agreeance here. Yo, sheeple!
Improbable Dreams said... 44
Who guessed? said... 40
AGREE! AGREE 100%!!! You are so right, and we are so silly to have been duped like that. Thank you for coming here to set us straight.
Imagine: a bleating sheeple telling us we had the wool pulled over our eyes.
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Hahaha....love your posts, Improbable Dreams.
This little sheep almost had me perplexed for a minute there. I wasn't sure if she was kidding or not.
An interesting sort too....trying to act like she's trying to be helpful :D
#29 I just don't get "shoot the messenger" because he MAY not have obtained the materials how he says he did.
Where's the outrage over Kate's behavior? WTF is in the water in these parts of Pennsylvania?
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Maybe because if someone is sleezy enough to take stuff that is not theirs and stalk them, it would not be much of a stretch to change words, sentences, or all of it for that matter to what he thinks it should say.
Berks Neighbor: When I say that it appears to me that the kids are probably involved in what is happening right now, I mean that (in my opinion) one or both of the twins is probably wanting the truth about their mother to get out. I would imagine that they are realizing that she is spending THEIR money frivolously with all the hired help that she has. They may even resent the money spent to keep the mansion going....when I read that something happened this summer and the school was involved, I can practically guarantee that someone finally listened to the kids pleas for help.I do not think that they are speaking directly to Mr. Hoffman but I am sure that they tell their dad to help them get away from there. Time will tell...I think there are bigger things on the horizon. Now, a question....what is the age in Pennsylvania where the judge allows the kid to pick who he/she wants to live with? Is it 12? Hmmm....sounds like a desperate attempt to buy the twins' loyalty by giving them Iphones for this birthday....Paula
How can she stop me posting excerpts?
Kate posted a blog, which I’m sure she thought was cute, about Shoka getting into and eating loaves of bread that she said she baked herself and wrapped in plastic wrap for the trash men as a Christmas present. Within hours, the anti-Kate blogs were up in arms about Kate’s carelessness in leaving dangerous plastic wrapped items where Shoka could get his paws on them and swallow them. It could cause serious intestinal damage to a dog. That thought of course never once occurred to Kate Gosselin. She doesn’t have the slightest clue how to properly care for anything, especially a dog. Well like clockwork, within days Shoka himself wrote another blog to tell us that he was ok and it was nothing to worry about. Kate was so panicked by her latest blunder, that she actually had Shoka write TWOblogs on the subject. Kate surely overcompensates for every bit of criticism she receives, and this was just among online bloggers.
No matter how many blogs Kate writes pretending to be Shoka, and how many lies she tells us coming out of Shoka’s mouth about how really happy he is, the fact is that Kate Gosselin simply does not care enough about Shoka to take proper care of him, or anything or anyone for that matter. On Easter Sunday, 2012 – four months after Kate blogged about dogs choking on certain toys and plastic bread wrappers – and with ‘1,400’ stuffed, plastic Easter eggs laying all over her property, Shoka was aloud to run free, eating as many sharp, plastic eggs as he could, while Kate was in the house drinking wine. (She tweeted the photo ofthe wine telling us what she was doing.) At one point, Shoka was even eating them directly out of the garbage bag used to carry them around the yard by a stranger who layed them out for the kids. His entire head was in the plastic bag eating the plastic Easter eggs. Kate never once set foot outside to check on him. It’s a miracle poor Shoka is still alive.
I just realized that if the Katie Couric interview wasn't already taped Kh8 now has the perfect opportunity to say in response to questions about the book " I have been advised by my attorneys not to say anything about that". Bleh.
#Kategethelp
Good Lord the sheeple are deep today!!
I don't know what makes me more angry or sick. Reading Robert's book or reading ROL. How disgusting can both of them be. To me they both, Kate and ROL, should not rot in hell. They should should live a looonnggg eternity in hell with no chance of parole. Oh, I just can't take anymore of this letting Kate of the hook for her hell..ish deeds. I don't think Lucifer has anything over on Kate. They both fight for the title of "MOST EVIL".
How interesting. Look what I found when googling Beelzebub.
Beelzebub is called the god of Accaron. Cheyne thinks the original form of the name is Ba'al Zebul, "the lord of the mansion," or high house, which would refer to the god's temple. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02388c.htm
How appropriate.
just wondering said... 25
I emailed a copy as an attachment to everyone I know and then sent an email to her lawyers telling them so. What is she going to do, sue all of us? Go ahead and spread it to everyone you know. And ask them to donate to Robert while you are at it. Let Kate see that she can't sue everyone!!
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You should be donating to Robert,since by passing this book around for free you are stealing his intellectual property.
And how so like the sheeple to support a child-abuser - are your proud of yourselves? Seriously?
This little sheep almost had me perplexed for a minute there. I wasn't sure if she was kidding or not.
An interesting sort too....trying to act like she's trying to be helpful :D
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No act. Not kidding.
Regarding child abuse - as Edmund Burke said: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Surely the Penn State scandal (among so many other scandals) has taught us something.
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According to a few of the sheeple, they dismissed EVERYTHING as being from a 'rag mag'. EVERYTHING has been disregarded. Talk about SHEEP. All one has to do is THINK. Oh wait...
Both Polly and Al are hoping to get more attention and more book sales out of this. Yesterday, Al's book was selling for $12.95, it's now $7.96. Polly's was $13.95 and is now $9.99. They are showing what they are made of and they are full of sour grapes. Al's article sounds like it could have been written by one of the sheeple.
Yeah right, they both care about the children.
So there!: your absolutely right, kate does not know how to take care of anything, dog, kids, husband, house. And computer stuff. How many times do you hear, wipe/erase your files off your old computer hard drives, even after transfering them to new computer, your phones too. If you are throwing out old journals, shred them. GEEZ, THIS IS COMMON SENSE! With all the ID theft going on, that is one thing my brother drummed into me, about computers, erase or destroy old hard drives/ CD/floppy disc, and cell phones, anything with info on it. In this day and age. Here's one of your own phrases Kate: you get what happens to you cause you are very careless.(take off of: you get what you get, and you don't complain).
Now, a question....what is the age in Pennsylvania where the judge allows the kid to pick who he/she wants to live with? Is it 12? Hmmm....sounds like a desperate attempt to buy the twins' loyalty by giving them Iphones for this birthday....Paula
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Unlike many other states, there is no age in PA. A judge will listen to any child and interview that child separately. A child as young as six may voice his opinion as to where he wants to live. However, the reason must be a very good one. He can't say that the other parent has a nicer home, or buys him more toys. The court takes into consideration the maturity or the child, and the reasons for wanting to live with the other parent must be valid.
"The Pennsylvania Superior Court stated, "The weight to be accorded a child’s preference varies with the age, maturity and intelligence of that child, together with the reasons given for the preference. Moreover, as children grow older, more weight must be given to the preference of the child." Wheeler v. Mazur, 793 A.2d 929 (Pa. Super. 2002)."
The sheeple are a Exhibit 1 as to how Jerry Sandusky was able to perpetuate his evil intentions on those children. Are there really people sick enough to try and deflect from Kate's abuse of children and blame others for trying to get the truth out?
The candle's still glowing for the Gosselin 8. I invite you to visit it, and/or to light a candle of your own.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/view.cfm?l=eng&c=16951358
dee3 said... 38
Who guessed? said... 19
Hmm lets see.
All the things that have been speculated about and talked about on this blog Robert confirms in his book. (even using the same quotes and words)
Robert reads and has commented here.
Admin has a source who says the same things as Robert, though, I am sure, uses a different name.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!
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Wait....are you saying you suspect some huge conspiracy here? Between the posters here, the Administrator, some secret SOURCE and Mr. Hoffman? Am I understanding you correctly?
I apologize if I'm incorrect here.....but sounds like you suspect some sort of major conspiracy.
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I could be wrong but I'm suspecting that "Who guessed?" may be a troll? And is suggesting that the Administrator here is involved in some sort of major conspiracy related to the info in this book?
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Riii-gghttttt!!
Thanks who guessed, because I just fell off the turnip truck.
Trollers/drive bys/socks:
This isn't my first rodeo.
Why you people insist on trying to protect the vile bitch of a mother speaks volumes as to who you are as a person yourself.
If it ever actually came from her own mouth you nut jobs would find some way to explain it away.
" She was being ventriloquized by haterz "
" She must have been forced at gun point "
" She has amnesia "
You people crack me up!!
The best thing about this book is that it confirmed for me that Kate's fans are just as vile as their queen.
One tweeted this morning that "spanking" with a spoon is normal and doesn't make you a bad mother. Another KID said he planned to do the same with his kids.
Keep bleeting your defense sheep. At least it is providing a little comic relief.
Who's the sheeple? said... 62
No act. Not kidding.
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(sigh)....I know. You'll have to pardon me because I'd been MIA for a while and lost my sheeple-recognition skills. Had become immersed in political/election goings-on because I'd become weary of the Kate G. mini-marathons.
I honestly wasn't sure if I was reading correctly at her first post relating some paranoid conspiracy ideation. Her second post did clinch it for me, though.
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Regarding the intellectual property of Mr. Hoffman.....this is just me, but if I was him, I think I'd be wanting this book passed around as much as possible right now and have everyone donate to my legal fund.
I can't imagine he was looking to make any big fortune off the ebook....and he said he was donating the profits to charity anyway.
From my perspective....this is now a free speech and silencing a whistle-blower issue.....and keeping it on a front burner would be of significant importance to me. That....and being able to afford to fight for my legal rights.
To me...interest in this would mainly be limited to the Gosselin blogosphere.....which does not amount to huge numbers of people in the real world out there. Nobody would make any big fortune with a book that would be of interest only to the Gosselin blogosphere. It would need to pick up steam and develop a life of it's own....maybe over free speech/whistleblower issues or huge cover-ups in the reality TV world by major corporations, etc.....in order to make any significant profit.
If I understand Mr. Hoffman correctly, he wrote this mainly on principle....to make others aware of what was really going on behind the scenes while the viewers were being duped with some huge false facade.....and I believe him when he says this is why he wrote it. So if it was me....I would want as many people reading it as possible.....and as many people donating to my legal fund as possible....so that I could get the book back on Amazon.....and hopefully get it released as a real book (forget the term...treepaper?)...soon.
Amen Paula. Sandusky taught these people nothing. Nothing at all.
Does anyone else find it strange? If I was marketing myself and an image to the world as super mom, wouldn't you sue anyone who said you had an abortion especially when you were advocating how difficult your pregnancy was and how you would not selectively reduce. I find no denial of that very troubling. Also she isn't saying that the items are untrue or taken out of context or anything like that, is that because she can't. I would think in this light her supporters would want her to get help not be her army of naysayers when they don't know the truth. She says goodnight to them as her fans, not as her friends. Something is really amiss here, just looks so ill to me as I never heard of children getting expelled from elementary school, maybe it happens, I just never heard of it. Something is amiss.
And the abuse we are speaking of goes far beyond "The Spanker".
According to a few of the sheeple, they dismissed EVERYTHING as being from a 'rag mag'. EVERYTHING has been disregarded. Talk about SHEEP. All one has to do is THINK. Oh wait...
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I'm wondering, though, if this is all the sheeple. Surely there must be some in the flock that are capable of thinking. Could it be, too, that some of them really aren't disregarding it, but because of their loyalty to her, they are just going along with the rest of the sheeple? They are in too deep right now to change their allegiance.
Does Radar realize that by stating that Robert set up a Paypal account, that they're actually helping him. If you google the title of the book, the second result is his website. This may even get more people to donate.
Westcoastie: the only way kates: sheeple/fans/lackeys would stop being her fans, if Kate herself told them to F-off, or be very rude to them. Then they(sheeple/fans/lackeys will do one of 6 things: 1. turn into a stalker, 2. be angry enough to post nasty things to and about Kate, 3. move on, 4. turn the other cheek, and join us, admitting that we were right all these years: defectors, 5. total haters, 6. ask Kate for forgiveness.
We had a lot of defectors, when the RV and Palin episodes ran. I'm sure after all this book stuff, we will get a few more.
The newer fans, who are probably from another country are getting a water down/edited episodes of JK8 and K8. Remember they did that here when they showed some of the episodes for both shows the second time. So those fans in another country are not getting the whole picture, that most of us saw first hand. .
Seems like tempers are flaring. Mine included. Off to work on my basement clean out project.
Didn't someone once say children grow up and move out but their stuff lives on forever? That's my basement. Send good thoughts my way to help me not be tooooo sentimental. Does anyone need about 200 Beanie Babies?
Anonymous said... 74
Does anyone else find it strange? If I was marketing myself and an image to the world as super mom, wouldn't you sue anyone who said you had an abortion especially when you were advocating how difficult your pregnancy was and how you would not selectively reduce.......
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I actually have to laugh at myself now because I remember posting quite some time ago that had Kate G. been smart and able to control her narcissism.....she could have parlayed the reality show into a long career as a role-model mom and have become a spokesperson for all sorts of things.
I must have been nuts....as I'd known all along that she was a horrific child-abuser. What the hell was I thinking?
Well...to be honest...I think it was that she'd seemed so teflon-coated for so long that I'd despaired that the truth would never come out....so I was thinking in some alternate reality where she actually could have possibly become a role-model mom if she'd not been such a narcissist.
I just have to shake my head at myself now.
The truth always comes out................although in this case, it seems to have taken forever.
And I'm still worried it might get squelched. I won't truly believe I'll see her feet really held to the fire...until I see it.
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I am loving all the responses to the visiting sheeple.
The wooden spoon was in the van so she could bake cookies on the road....hahahaha!
Anonymous 74,
It says she had an abortion in the book????? Where please...
I must have missed it. Or did I misunderstand your post.
Please clarify for me. Thanks!
@westcoastie~
I could be wrong but I'm suspecting that "Who guessed?" may be a troll? And is suggesting that the Administrator here is involved in some sort of major conspiracy related to the info in this book?
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Not a troll. Not suggesting or saying Admin is involved with any conspiracy. I think Hoffman is conning everyone including Admin.
I believe they are Kate's journals and emails and he has them, don't beleive that is how he got them. Don't believe the mental illness or abortion, at all.
With regard to Sandusky, there are still a group of people who think he is absolutely innocent because he was such a nice guy........go figure. I am starting to understand how these people get away with it as they surround themselves with people who do not have critical thinking skills. Something is amiss
Westcoastie: I also forgot to add: that in a lot of countries, certain stuff about kids, can not be shown on TV, so a lot of what Kate did on the shows, of the abuse she did to the kids were edited out. I remember reading about this a long time ago.
Who's guessed that "Who Guesses?" is actually Kate?! Hi Kate! I just want you to know (am I allowed to use that phrase or is it your IP?) that I totally agree with everything that you said and will be eternally grateful to you for showing us the light.
I think with Al it's totally a case of sour grapes. Wasn't Robert supposed to co-author or contribute to Al's book but pulled out at the last minute?
The arguments her paid bloggers are making are worthless, I really don't care why Robert wrote the book, the truth about this con artist needs to be made public.
She is a public person that lied from day one to make her millions. She had an abortion and knew she could have kids. And I am sure she broke some laws doubling up an fertility drugs and not disclosing the truth to her Dr.
Also, taking money from Christians that are against abortions, talk about morally criminal behavior~
SeeSaw, remember how everyone collected Beanie Babies for their future value? I wonder what they go for now? Are they on EBay?
That would be "Who Guessed?". Damn you iPad stop correcting me with what yo think I want to say!
Well, if, Kate did have an abortion at 17, then Kate was not the one who had the fertility problem, later, that Kate was claiming. Jon had the problem. JMO
NJGal51 said... 85
Who's guessed that "Who Guesses?" is actually Kate?! Hi Kate! I just want you to know (am I allowed to use that phrase or is it your IP?) that I totally agree with everything that you said and will be eternally grateful to you for showing us the light.
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Not enough exclamation points NJGal51
Who guessed? said... 82
Not a troll. Not suggesting or saying Admin is involved with any conspiracy. I think Hoffman is conning everyone including Admin.
I believe they are Kate's journals and emails and he has them, don't beleive that is how he got them. Don't believe the mental illness or abortion, at all. ---------------------------------
OK...first of all...I don't think the Administrator here could be easily conned.
Secondly....what difference does it make how he got them? They exist.
Third...why is nobody refuting the abortion from their camp?
And fourth....you don't believe the mental illness info? I'm sorry but anyone with a brain and two eyeballs saw that there were clear mental illness issues from way back. We just couldn't all agree regarding the exact diagnosis.....I happened to think it was narcissistic personality disorder....others suspected bi-polar or borderline personality disorder....but jeez, you had to be blind not to see there were mental health issues involved. We sure as hell didn't need Robert Hoffman to clue us into that. He just happened to have documentation on the specific diagnosis.....but we all knew she had mental health issues for years.
And....as a matter of fact....the obviousness of it to us made many of us have a degree of sympathy for her.
It still boggles the mind that not ONE PERSON has ONE nice thing to say about Kate.
Boggling.
heather
Anonymous said... 55
Berks Neighbor: When I say that it appears to me that the kids are probably involved in what is happening right now, I mean that (in my opinion) one or both of the twins is probably wanting the truth about their mother to get out.
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I think they love her very much coz she is their mom. I imagine what they really want at this point is for her to stop hitting them, ridiculing them, cackling at them, calling them names, hand flapping them away, and to stop telling them what an exhausting burden they are on her. They would probably also want the severe beatings of their little siblings to stop too.
The fact that no one is suing for libel is the biggest indicator of what's true, rather than who has what source.
So, what do all you think, Kates CC blog will be on? Iphones? or the Twins up coming birthday? or how she decorated for fall?
Kate is a twit said... 8
Even Stephanie wants to read the book. I rarely ever see her-yet in the last 24 hours she's popped in her 5 times.
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Last night she was stalking Kristine in LA.
PS I went to the candle.
"Kate left home at the request of her father, who could no longer tolerate her rebellious behavior and sexual promiscuity, which led to her becoming pregnant while still in high school. She was forced by her fatherto secretly abort the baby, which left Kate empty and hollow inside, and very angry. Kate had always wanted to be a stay-at-home mother and was especially interested in having twins as her mother Charlene once told a local newspaper upon the birth of Kate’s sextuplets. Two other things that Kate Gosselin always wanted, from a young age, that are the two motivating factors in her life today, are money and control."
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 25564-25570). . Kindle Edition.
ROL keeps changing the article. They removed the part about the PayPal account. The Related Stories now are only the ones about the spoon-although one does mention the hair pulling, getting out of the crib, and potty training.
They're trying to cover up their previous postings. Are they going to contact magazine vendors and have them pull the Star issue off the racks?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 94
The fact that no one is suing for libel is the biggest indicator of what's true, rather than who has what source.
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Comment of the WHOLE GOSSELIN SAGA.
Not one person from Kate's/Discovery/TLC legal camp has disputed that all the disgusting, jaw-dropping detailing of Kate's lying, manipulative, abusive, greedy, horrific behavior is FALSE.
Hi Eileen, how's it feel to be an exploiter when the curtain is finally open?
heather
Big Fan is back again on Twitter, with yet another name, but it's most definitely BF! She's the only one who has ever tweeted about Lancaster County being in Central PA. Other "tags" are there, too. I'd bet the farm and all of the animals (including the sheep) on it. What is particularly funny is her comment about the book:
thisbookisborin
@Kateplusmy8 I'm so exhausted from reading this book. and I'm frustrated that he repeated info over & over!
This, from a person who tweets the same comment over and over and over again, changing only one or two words. She's really a strange one, hops back and forth from being a sheeple to a hater.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 94
The fact that no one is suing for libel is the biggest indicator of what's true, rather than who has what source.
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Good point. My concern is that they will intimidate Robert enough with threats that he'll have to spend a lot of money to defend himself.
Well, if, Kate did have an abortion at 17, then Kate was not the one who had the fertility problem, later, that Kate was claiming. Jon had the problem. JMO
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Just because she got pregnant once does not mean that she's Fertile Myrtle. You can get pregnant with one child, and then try for years to have a second one. Perhaps she thought that she somehow messed up her reproductive cycle with an abortion and believed that she would have difficulty getting pregnant again. Who knows what went through her mind? The thing is, though, was she ever diagnosed with PCOS?
OK Who the H is Stephanie and why is she 1.8 miles form everyone?
Important enough, this needs to get out:
"What Kate actually did though when she got home was to immediately give herself at least one more shot of HCG, which she had purchased weeks before online. With the IUI, Jon’s sperm were now swimming around inside of Kate’s uterus among the three or four mature eggs that the doctor knew about. Kate wasn’t looking for maybe two, or three or even four babies this time around though, and she wasn’t about to leave anything to chance either. She knew that by administering her own injection of HCG, even more mature eggs would drop down to join the others, unbeknownst to her ‘African doctor.’
Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman whenordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging."
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 26506-26507). . Kindle Edition.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 26502-26506). . Kindle Edition.
Since when does ROL care about truth, accuracy or even integrity. It's all about money. They are being threatened with a lawsuit.
TLC has deep pockets and they are ruthless.
Marie
I am assuming,only assuming, that both Kate's lawyers and Discovery's lawyers have copies of the book.
Wouldn't it really be karma, if after reading the book, Discovery's lawyers turned around and sued Kate for breaking the confidentiality agreement.
Robert gives examples where parts of Kate's journals are in Multiple Blessings. Beth wrote the book-she, as a third party, had to have seen them.
dee3 said... 159
''......But for me, this isn't really about Kate. It's always mainly been about powerful corporations and news outlets protecting and hiding a child abuser and putting money over the rights of children in reality TV. And now...it's become an issue of free speech for me.''........''For me, this isn't so much about Kate Gosselin and her abuse of her children as it is about trying to muzzle a whistle-blower who is trying to expose the huge cover-up of it by a wealthy and powerful corporation and major news outlets.''.......
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dee...I agree. Aside from my horror of her abusing those babies...the powerful shielding Kate, enabling her child abuse, AND using their power to destroy Jon in the process, and then trying to muzzle Robert exposing them, is my bottom line too!
Every time I realize that I'm getting too upset about all this, I think of Kate saying over and over through the years that she most fears people thinking she's not a good mother, and I start to calm down. Her worst fear has come true. Then I think of her meeting her Maker, and I'm able to think of something else!!
But Kate didn't try to get pregnant for years whatsoever.
I think it is very sad that the people who witnessed Kate's abusive behavior will not step out of the shadows for the sake of the kids. CA does not prevent this. Cowards.
Marie
Per the book, she knew exactly what she was doing, giving herself another HCG injection, after the Dr. told her that were already 4 eggs:
""So Kate went back to see her ‘African doctor’ and he was “in a trance,” and “visibly shaken,” according to her.
I’ll bet he was visibly shaken, as he was trying to figure out how in the Hell three, possibly four mature follicles magically turned into seven."
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 26559-26560). . Kindle Edition.
And I bet...this is all News to Jon and her family.
How would you react if:
Someone claimed you beat your kids, and you didn't.
Someone claimed you had an abortion ,and you didn't.
Someone claimed you were diagnosed mentally ill, and you weren't.
Someone claimed you had kicked your husband out of your bed, but a year later you were participating in a fake vow renewal.
Someone claimed you were cruel to family pets, and you weren't.
Someone claimed you bought drugs online under an assumed name and self-administered them, and you didn't.
Someone claimed you are a racist and alcoholic, and you aren't.
What lawyer wouldn't JUMP at the chance to take up that cause? But copyright infringement is ALL they can come up with.
heather
Witness to child abuse trumps confidentiality agreement.
Hopefully people who felt 'silenced' in the past come forward now.
bm
Anyway I have had enough with the control that the media has in our lives . . . Deciding what we see and covering up and lying about things they decide we don't need to know. All for money of course. I guess al we can do is do not watch the stations that we know are deceiving us and get our information elsewhere.
The only way to fight them is to stop watching their programs.
Marie
Who guessed? said... 40
westcoastie,
Robert has been around since the moon and gwop days too. realitytvkids is just the most popular 'hate' blog right now. Robert is telling you all what he thinks you want to hear. He is regurgitating back what you all say and speculate.
He comes on here and writes that he is having financial difficulties and boom! the lets donate to Robert cry comes up.
I think he is a con who befriended Jon who believes everyone around him (Heller comes to mind)got a kernel of truth about Kate and embellished the rest.
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Well, you make a decent argument. Kate says dont believe anything unless ya hear it from her. Coz she is a truth teller. So I am waiting for her to say the things in the book are not her words, that did not send emails demanding free everything, that she did not say those things about her fans... I am waiting for her to say the journals about beating babies and lifting them by their hair are NOT her words and have been falsified. I am waiting for her tell us she never did mash Collin in the face for standing in her presence by the refrigerator-oh wait that was on tape on the show. Ok, i am waiting for her to say she never did mash collin in the face that day at the bus stop - oh wait, that is a picture.
Well, you get the point. "I whipped him severely into his crib". "I woke her with my angry voice" because the infant had messed a diaper in her sleep... and all these other wonderful infant tales of tender motherhood - I am waiting to hear they are not her words.
Instead she threatens Amazon.com for publishing her Intellectual Property without her consent. Let's look up the definition of Intellectual Property as it is used by ... oh let's say a high priced hollywood lawyer would use the phrase.
Let's start with the very first sentence in a dictionary definition, shall we, class?
""Property that derives from the work of an individual's mind or intellect.""
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intellectual%20property
So Singer's statement to Amazon says the quotes of emails and journal entries in Robert's book are the property of Kate Gosslin since it all came from her mind or intellect.
So it cant be lies and fabrications on Robert's part, and the property of Kate's mind at the same time. SOMEBODY wrote those words! Marty Singer last night told Amazon that KATE wrote those words and therefor Hoffman has not rights to the words.
So I guess we will let the courts decide which one it is, and since I am really curious to see it through, I will donate money to Robert's legal bills. Either that or I will pay Kate $20 for a pic of the kids and then send her a Target gift card as a thank-you for allowing mediocre me to give her the $20 in the first place... nah, I'll give to Robert.
See how easy it is to agree to disagree? And whether Admin or this blog is involved will all be a moot point just as soon as Kate finishes telling the world they ARE ALL HER WORDS and Hoffman has no right to publish them.
She did fake the fertility issue all along. She injected herself with an extra shot, ordered out of the country under an assumed name, to cause overstimulation. That's how she ended up with the six/ seven instead of three or four that the doctor saw in his office. That wasn't going to be enough babies if she wanted to be famous.
FYI the info about the HCG has exact plausibility. There are many on the HCG diet that get their injections overseas w/o a doctors consent.
Louann wrote: Maybe because if someone is sleezy enough to take stuff that is not theirs and stalk them, it would not be much of a stretch to change words, sentences, or all of it for that matter to what he thinks it should say.
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Robert had his lawyers go over his book. Do you think Robert would be so stupid as to change Kate's own words in her diary when several very high powered law firms on own his case. Robert knows they are gunning for him. Robert knew when he wrote the book that more than likely will he will have to show Kate/Discovery attorneys the "real" e-mails and journal entries of Kate's. I don't believe for a minute that Robert changed words or sentences to differ than Kate's original diary/journal.
I haven't read all the comments yet. I refuse to go to AWs blog. I read both his book and Polly's. Al's book was nothing but garbage. A foul-mouthed sleazefest Jon bashing, KK enabling bag of crap. I didn't finish it and I deleted it from my Amazon account. The only book I've ever done that to. I've removed books from my device, mostly after I've finished reading them, or because I'm filling up my Kindle too much, but the books stay in the archives when you do that. I also read Polly's book. It's well-written and a more scholarly approach. Although it's focused on the Gosselin's, it's more an analysis of the deleterious effects of reality TV in general on kids and families and on the G's in particular. It's a bit dry and boring but has its place in the publishing world. I understand it's been added to the curriculum in a couple of college courses, and I can see where it would be useful. Robert's book is an expose of a fraud perpetrated on the world by a unprincipled, nasty, dishonest witch who equates abuse with love and actually seems proud of damaging her husband and her children with her actions.
SPOILER ALERTS!!
Robert says he's observed KK and Skeeve and, although he's come to a conclusion about their relationship, he has no concrete proof, so he won't say what he thinks. He then proceeds to detail observations of their activities. Oh yeah, they're having an affair (MY conclusion)!
Seems the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and KK learned at least some of her best grifty techniques at her father's knee. Apparently her father is considered to be less than honest by many. Also -- Admin -- the zoning dispute was more than just a zoning dispute. The court decided that there was deliberate attempt on the part of the Kreiders to defraud.
Robert said he still has all of the originals.
Marie
Isn't that Goody2shoes pro-life? What does she have to say now about her precious Kate?? She could have kept that baby. Parents can't force you to get an abortion.
Not trying to start an argument on pro-choice, etc. I am pro-choice, BUT what Kate did was morally criminal. She did not give a shit that having multiples could harm the babies, with more chances of things going wrong, underdeveloped, etc. Learning handicaps later on. She has never given a shit about her "babies". Never.
Dwindle, you rock.
Dwindle you are the coolest.
Suck that Who Guessed!
Marie
PA Mom -- Thanks for the info on the suspensions. KK didn't let Jon know that his daughter had been suspended from kindergarten??!! That is unconscionable!! Judy did exactly the right thing. Small consolation though, when it cost her her job. Guess we know what at least some of those court appearances from around those times were!
Parent in Lancaster, I so totally agree with you. The idiot sheeplike have aligned themselves with each other and Kate for so long they can't change sides now, because it's all personal now!
I can only imagine how frustrating it is for you living close to Kate and being aware what is really going on and having to be quiet. I appreciate your willingness to share when you feel comfortable.
RH put another post up. This was is about the originality of the book title "Multiple Blessings.".
Parent In Lancaster County said... 76
According to a few of the sheeple, they dismissed EVERYTHING as being from a 'rag mag'. EVERYTHING has been disregarded. Talk about SHEEP. All one has to do is THINK. Oh wait...
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I'm wondering, though, if this is all the sheeple. Surely there must be some in the flock that are capable of thinking. Could it be, too, that some of them really aren't disregarding it, but because of their loyalty to her, they are just going along with the rest of the sheeple? They are in too deep right now to change their allegiance.
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They arent actually paying any attention. "So what she spanked with a spoon, so what?" That is all they are focusing on. They are not hearing or reading that she lifted babies by their hair, woke them from napping by hitting them, 'whipped him severely into his crib'... There is more, but I dont want to quote until others have gotten through those chapters.
Either that or they are all the types that also lift babies by their hair and once again they have found their hero. "You'd lift your babies by their hair and beat them severely too if you could get free trips for it!!!! Yer all jess jellus of Kate!!!!"
Update On Amazon Book Deletion
There are two major updates to the story about Amazon deleting George Orwell books from customers’ Kindles.
First off, the reasons for the deletion have become more clear. The books were added to the Kindle store by MobileReference, a company which focuses on the publication of works already existing in the public domain. While Orwell’s works are public domain in most countries that MobileReference sells in, they still fall under copyright in the US. Which just so happens to be the only country where Amazon sells the Kindle.
A complaint was made to Amazon by the copyright owners. Amazon caved to the publisher’s pressure and, since their sales of the books were never legal to begin with, retroactively un-purchased every copy. There actually seems to be some debate as to whether this violates the Kindle’s license agreement. For example, the Electronic Frontier Foundation believes the agreement doesn’t leave room for Amazon to take away already purchased books. Such speculation is most likely pointless, however, since the illegality of the Orwell books distributed probably skirts around the terms of use and Amazon wouldn’t have done the deletions if their lawyers hadn’t cleared it in the first place.
The second piece of news is that Amazon is claiming this will not happen again. The company issued a statement, sent as an Email to various tech publications.
We are changing our systems so that in the future we will not remove books from customers’ devices in these circumstances.
It’s good to see that Amazon is reacting to the negative reaction they have received.
Read more: http://blogkindle.com/tag/orwellian/#ixzz27z3D1JNy
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 94
The fact that no one is suing for libel is the biggest indicator of what's true, rather than who has what source.
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They haven't filed yet, does not mean they are not going to sue. It's the weekend and I am sure they have to take the time to go through the book.
readerlady said... 123
PA Mom -- Thanks for the info on the suspensions. KK didn't let Jon know that his daughter had been suspended from kindergarten??!!
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I must have missed that -was it in the book ( I skimmed, but hope to read in more detail )
That's incredible!
Wish we knew the kids were doing better and are safer now.
RonnieandMaggie said... 125
RH put another post up. This was is about the originality of the book title "Multiple Blessings.".
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WHOOOHOOO! Robert is NOT down on the mat, he is up and on the offensive!!! That's it Robert, get pissed!!! YAYAYAYAYAYAYYYYY!
I made the above post, #127, because Amazon got in trouble for unpurchasing books from kindles. They also got sued.
Apparently her father is considered to be less than honest by many. Also -- Admin -- the zoning dispute was more than just a zoning dispute. The court decided that there was deliberate attempt on the part of the Kreiders to defraud.
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There was more to it than that.
There was no opinion that they sought to "defraud," but rather it was one of misrepresentation. They did not act in good faith, according to the appeals. If you've read all of the documents, it seems that both the ZHB and the Kreiders shared responsibility in what went down. ZHB didn't follow through in compliance, and the Kreiders just went with the flow of things, possibly believing that this could be used to their advantage.
Under footnotes, read #7
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/pa-commonwealth-court/1382868.html
I finished the book. She is even more despicable than I imagined. She has the mind of a criminal: devious, calculating, manipulative, liar, disturbed. I cannot think of one decent quality she possesses.
readerlady said... 118
I did go to Al's blog, which is dated today. It is full of snark, sour grapes and lies. He mentioned the PayPal account and also that as of late this morning the balance was $2.44.
For one thing, how would he know what the balance was? And since several people here have donated, you know that amount is not correct.
He's making himself look stupid and vindictive.
anger issues kate said... 95
So, what do all you think, Kates CC blog will be on? Iphones? or the Twins up coming birthday? or how she decorated for fall?
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Naw, it will be the same thing as has been recently, written by a CC staffer, breathlessly announcing National Kumquat Week and here are some dashing economical recipes from Kraft.com!!! @sendmeKumquats @KraftIneedFreeMacNCheeseNow And @CouponHovelDepositMyCheckHere
I am having trouble reading the book, am just skimming through. I get such a sick feeling from it. I may have to get my information here. I don't think I can finish it.
AND NOW ALL THE PIECES FIT! And this is important enough to repeat again. Thanks gabby
gabby2 said... 104
Important enough, this needs to get out:
"What Kate actually did though when she got home was to immediately give herself at least one more shot of HCG, which she had purchased weeks before online. With the IUI, Jon’s sperm were now swimming around inside of Kate’s uterus among the three or four mature eggs that the doctor knew about. Kate wasn’t looking for maybe two, or three or even four babies this time around though, and she wasn’t about to leave anything to chance either. She knew that by administering her own injection of HCG, even more mature eggs would drop down to join the others, unbeknownst to her ‘African doctor.’
Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman whenordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging."
The posts about copying the book's files and sharing them with friends makes me kinda sad. Yes, people share books all the time but I guess it would have been nice if Robert could have been given a chance at a proper sale's period to at least help pay for his upcoming legal bills. If you're sharing, maybe include a link to his donate page?
I strongly suspect "Who Guessed" is either al or polly or a new member of Kate's pr team or Marty's singer's people. I really have an issue with al now so much so I will not capitalize his name! He and polly both have shown their true colors and proven to me they do NOT CARE about the abuse of the gosselin kids nor the lies that the shrew has spewed. If they truly cared about the kids they would have shut up or they would have supported Robert. Yes I smell sour grapes.
I'm writing the paper's editor and pointing out a lot of things cause now al's shown his true colors and is trying to gain from the action.
sad times and although I knew things were bad with the shrew I had higher hopes for al and polly. I don't care what their problems are with RH. They have shown their true colors.
"oh me, I did it first! No it was me! I did it first. He wouldn't work with us. He's mean. Nanny na na boo hoo! (what I see al and polly doing)
They make me sick! The shrew does not have a leg to stand on!
Improbable -- Thanks for the reminder. When I lighted my candle yesterday, I designated a "group" -- 15. Lo and behold, my candle is still the only, forlorn little light in that group, and I realized that I forgot to tell y'all about it! So -- if you are moved to light one of the candles, if you designate 15 as your group, then all our candles will be together. If you designate another group for your candle, please let us know.
Who guessed? said... 40
''...... Robert is telling you all what he thinks you want to hear. He is regurgitating back what you all say and speculate.''.........
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Right! I agree that Robert repeated our knowledge of the meds Kate ordered from Canada, shipped to another address, gave herself an extra booster shot, so she could be sure more eggs were released. We ALL knew that and he just regurgitated what we knew. You are so very clever. We don't have to guess about who guessed is, because once again, we know!!
Lancaster County -- Thanks for the clarification on the zoning issue. I was basing my comment on what I read in Robert's book. Although I'm used to interpreting legalese with regard to certain medical issues I plead to not being fluent in legalese. Sorry if I misled anyone.
Sorry if I'm posting a lot. I'm taking a reading break and also trying to keep an eye on the Bengals/Jaguars AND the Reds/Pirates games. I'm not the world's best multi-tasker, LOL!
Kinda sad said... 138
The posts about copying the book's files and sharing them with friends makes me kinda sad. Yes, people share books all the time but I guess it would have been nice if Robert could have been given a chance at a proper sale's period to at least help pay for his upcoming legal bills. If you're sharing, maybe include a link to his donate page?
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I agree with you in concept...but from my perspective:
1. Who knows how long this book might be off Amazon and tied-up in legal maneuvering?
2. He said he was not profiting from the sales but was donating them to charity (and let's face it....$8.88...not very expensive anyway...and free to a bunch of people who had some sort of accounts).
3. One wants to keep this situation on the front burner...not languishing back on some back burner while the legal teams battle it out and the book remains unavailable. He says he wrote it on principle....and I believe him. So I'd think keeping it as relevant as possible would be the best thing that could happen right now. And,
4. Most here who are saying they are sharing the book are asking others to donate to Mr. Hoffman's legal defense fund already anyway.
I would think that the last thing he wants is for this book to languish and fade out while the lawyers battle it out. The more who read it and discuss it....the more it stays relevant.....until it can be back on Amazon again....and even better....published in real book form, be it paperback or hardback.
Meanwhile, all who care about free speech and about preventing the silencing of whistle-blowers should contribute to his legal defense fund. He says it's about principle for him....and it's about principle for me....and I'll be donating tomorrow as soon as my monthly pension check shows up in my account (I would normally have adequate funds in my account but this was "pay car insurance" month for me).
Dwindle,
I am sure the emails and journals are Kates. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is the abortion and mental illness claims and other ridiculous claims that come from Robert without any source or documentation.
I can't figure out how Robert got this information:
Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman whenordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging."
Jon is the only person that could have found the packaging. Would he tell Robert all this?
Kate is a twit said... 134
readerlady said... 118
I did go to Al's blog, which is dated today. It is full of snark, sour grapes and lies. He mentioned the PayPal account and also that as of late this morning the balance was $2.44.
For one thing, how would he know what the balance was? And since several people here have donated, you know that amount is not correct.
He's making himself look stupid and vindictive.
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I used to be a fairly regular reader of his blog but no more. Doesn't he realize the harm he's bringing to himself and to Polly. If he had aligned himself with Robert, supported him even minimally, he'd be applauded and more people would buy his book. What happened to being an advocate against child abuse, Al? He and Polly are huge disappointments. Sour grapes, Al?
I donated early this morning to the Pay Pal account and it was considerably more than $2.44. Oh, maybe that's what Al's book is going for now.
Lancaster County -- Thanks for the clarification on the zoning issue. I was basing my comment on what I read in Robert's book. Although I'm used to interpreting legalese with regard to certain medical issues I plead to not being fluent in legalese. Sorry if I misled anyone.
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No worries. I haven't read the book yet, so I don't know how much of that issue he addressed. I remember when all of that went down. There was a big stink about the ZHB sitting on its tush. In that case, it took two to tango. There were both sides to the issue.
It's hailing and thundering. There goes my idea of putting steaks on the grill for an early supper!
Kinda sad,
Before the book was pulled, Amazon had it listed at "lending enabled". So we could have loaned our book to one other person without that person paying for it.
Is there any one here who is familiar with PA divorces and knows whether this is required of all divorcing parents?
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We were told at the time of the divorce that Yes, this is required of all divorces involving children in PA.
louann said... 54
''Maybe because if someone is sleezy enough to take stuff that is not theirs and stalk them, it would not be much of a stretch to change words, sentences, or all of it for that matter to what he thinks it should say.''
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Oh louann...thank you SO much for telling us that some of Kate's fans change words, sentences and anything else to what they think it should say. Thank you for pointing out the stalking that some of Kate's fans do all over the internet when they discover anything bad said about Kate!! This blog is so thankful that you came to enlighten us about the horrid behavior of some of Kate's fans!!
Abortion???? 81 -- Go to location 25565 in the book.
Who guessed - Agree, no question about it
Robert did not use any copyright permission footnotes. This is a problem for him. Should have caved and used an editor or a print publisher.
Any time you want to modify the custody order in PA even if it's just a tweak you have to go take a parenting class. It's standard. I think if it has been less than a year since the last one you don't have to go but I have been twice. Once when I first got custoday and a couple years ago when we modified it. My ex did his online.
Jon is the only person that could have found the packaging. Would he tell Robert all this?
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I think he would. I think Jon got in too deep with Robert when he was the pap outside his house. Something very telling today. ROL wrote that they contacted Jon for a comment and got none. When has Jon ever turned down a chance to talk to any tabloid?
We now know for a fact that Al Walentis is a jealous liar. I personally donated $150.00 and I know of many more who donated. So quit while you're behind, Al the Asshat.
"What I dispute is the abortion and mental illness claims and other ridiculous claims that come from Robert without any source or documentation."
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You dispute that she suffers from a mental illness?
I didn't read Al's book. I read some excerpts. What I did read was so poorly written, and the language was enough to turn me off. I had no interest in a such a tirade.
Parent In Lancaster County said...
It's hailing and thundering. There goes my idea of putting steaks on the grill for an early supper!
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It is? Rut roh better get my laundry in they usually head here to Chesco after Lanco.
Who guessed? said... 82
''........I believe they are Kate's journals and emails and he has them, don't beleive that is how he got them. Don't believe the mental illness or abortion, at all.''
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Oh my goodness! You are so right again!! The journals and emails ARE Kate's!! Thank you for continuing to tell us the TRUTH.
Kate strikes me as a blamer. She still may be a very sick woman, but I see her as desperate to keep the money train going. This desire has nothing to do with the eight children. This has to do with her own desire to be a "stah." The kids have just been used to get that constant attention and freebies. Kate sees herself as being "all that and a bag of chips." Remember, no one but Kate can make money off of her kids. Ask Jodi and Kevin.
I hope Kate goes broke paying the lawyer fees. It's been known to happen to better people than that greedy grifter. Discovery needs to "butt out."
It is? Rut roh better get my laundry in they usually head here to Chesco after Lanco.
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lol! You may be safe for awhile. It looks like some storms and more rain gathering in Gettysburg/Chambersburg, but going south near the Maryland line.
Barb In Nebraska said... 148
Kinda sad,
Before the book was pulled, Amazon had it listed at "lending enabled". So we could have loaned our book to one other person without that person paying for it.
Thanks Barb,
Until Robert's book I'd never bought a book online and I'm not familiar with Kindle or Amazon's electronic sharing rules. I guess I'm concerned with the posts that referred to copying and sharing with everyone they know. jmo
Sharon in Seattle said... 145
I can't figure out how Robert got this information:
Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman whenordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging."
Jon is the only person that could have found the packaging. Would he tell Robert all this?
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OK, I'm no book publisher but I do know that people who write books like this get their info from all sorts of sources....including going into trash, doing stake-outs, etc. I'm sure he did get some of his info from Jon.....but he would have to have either stated outright that it came directly from Jon or else would have had to have procured proof that what he'd been told by another party was true.
It's possible Jon knew Kate (I'm just speculating here) had ordered this HGH from overseas and set up a post box specifically for this....and then Mr. Hoffman did follow-up investigation to gain the proof he needed to show that what Jon had told him was correct. Or who knows? Maybe Jon had nothing to do with this particular info. It definitely would seem likely that he would have had to have gotten this packaging from Jon.
I'm at a huge disadvantage here, as I don't have access to the book and have to rely on what others are posting here....but my big question would be..why would this packaging have even still been around years later?
In fact, my biggest question is....WHY in the world did Kate even journal all these horrific revelations?
I do know there are people who like to journal....I'm just not one of them....so perhaps I just don't understand it. I only had 3 kids but was too involved in PTA, a job, etc....to even have time to write anything but shopping lists and to-do lists....but then I didn't have any helpers myself.
I can understand a 13 year old writing in a diary. When I was 13, that was considered a cool thing to do. But a narcissist spilling her guts about all her abusive thoughts and actions? I believe she did it....but WHY? I'm dying to know all the info about this....and am just trying to learn as much as I can here.
I'd been MIA for a good while. It just became too depressing to watch Kate do mini-marathons and vomit sugarplums and rainbows to a bunch of idiots on twitter.....so I got involved in reading politics/election articles....but then saw Kate G. trending on yahoo and ran over here.
OF COURSE I wanted to be here when something significant happened again. I've waited YEARS for Kate and TLC/Discovery to finally be exposed....and had practically lost all hope this would ever happen and decided to just be satisfied enough that she'd become a sad z-lister....relegated to blogging for a coupon site and twittering.
So...I kinda ran into all this info and have been trying to figure out what happened since yesterday. And then to boot....don't have the book because it was taken off Amazon before I was able to get computer-literate son to come over here and show me how to download it to my PC (so I'd have lost it anyway....having no idea how to save it).
But my first BIG question was....WHAT? Kate actually confessed in her own journals about horribly abusing the children? Are you kidding me? HOW? and WHY?......and I've still not really figured this all out.
Jon is the only person that could have found the packaging. Would he tell Robert all this?
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Other theories:
Since Kate is pretty much a slob, maybe she finally got around to cleaning out a cluttered closet & hidden away in a box she found the packging & tossed it in the trash.
Or, a nanny, cleaning lady found it and held on to it.
And Robert, being the helpful person he is, took out her trash that day ;)
Parent In Lancaster County said... 102
''....... Perhaps she thought that she somehow messed up her reproductive cycle with an abortion and believed that she would have difficulty getting pregnant again.''
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That is exactly what I think. I also think that her deranged cleaning sprees (the four hours spent cleaning the fridge in the new house....and her talking about cleaning the poop out of the sliding door track) is her subconscious way of dealing with her guilt of what she had done. Sort of a ''Lady Macbeth:
Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then
'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and
afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our
pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to
have had so much blood in him?''
Who guessed? said... 82
@westcoastie~
I could be wrong but I'm suspecting that "Who guessed?" may be a troll? And is suggesting that the Administrator here is involved in some sort of major conspiracy related to the info in this book?
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Not a troll. Not suggesting or saying Admin is involved with any conspiracy. I think Hoffman is conning everyone including Admin.
I believe they are Kate's journals and emails and he has them, don't beleive that is how he got them. Don't believe the mental illness or abortion, at all.
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Just and FYI, Medical records can and have been subpoenaed for proof of that very thing for others who have tried to deny it. If this comes down to a lawsuit I'm sure that will and can happen.
As far as mental illness I will assume you have never been around a Narcissistic Bipolar individual much. It takes very little observation to see the shrew's illness just by watching her on tv.(and yes I am in the mental health field)
Just curious, which PR firm are you working for?
It would help you do your job better if you were familiar with the subject in question. I believe you could make more believable comments.
She reads here all the time and I'm sure you will have to account to her.
We glamorize 'things kate' too much. All the disorders she has are really just the personality traits of a BITCH!
Kate Is a Twit -- Walentis is definitely lying. I made a donation and, although it wasn't much, it was more than $2.44. I have a Paypal account (obviously). You can withdraw funds from your account, but it doesn't work that quickly, so I doubt AW can come back and say that Robert has withdrawn our donations already. Also, Paypal is very secure, so how the heck would AW access Robert's account to learn the balance?
Sharon in Seattle said... 145
I can't figure out how Robert got this information:
Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman whenordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging."
Jon is the only person that could have found the packaging. Would he tell Robert all this?
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Because he found the receipt and I think it's stated in the book that's how.
Remona---were ever able to get the book back? I have one suggestion to at least find out if it still exists on your PC:
Click on the start button and when the menu comes up type gosselin book in the search area which is at the bottom of the menu. If the book is still on your PC, it will show in the search results.
They haven't filed yet, does not mean they are not going to sue. It's the weekend and I am sure they have to take the time to go through the book.
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They should have been able to tell from the first email whether that was really Kate's email.
It does not take a lot of work to fire off a C&D claiming libel. They did not. Instead they talked about intellectual property.
I wish I could be a fly on the wall to hear the conversations between Kate and her lawyers....Kate and her paid bloggers, Kate and TLC people.....
Kate: "Can we sue?" Lawyers: "Is it TRUE???"
How about a subpoena of the medical records....including credit card receipts purchasing medications overseas....
Who guessed? said... 155
Jon is the only person that could have found the packaging. Would he tell Robert all this?
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I think he would. I think Jon got in too deep with Robert when he was the pap outside his house. Something very telling today. ROL wrote that they contacted Jon for a comment and got none. When has Jon ever turned down a chance to talk to any tabloid?
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Ahhh that shows how you're not really up to speed on things, doesn't it????
How do you know he has NEVER turned down a chance to talk to a tabloid?
barbee said... 167
We glamorize 'things kate' too much. All the disorders she has are really just the personality traits of a BITCH!
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Actually, I think it reflects well on most of us here that we have repeatedly, and for years, opined that we felt Kate G. had mental health issues and that this gave us some degree of sympathy for her. I remember all the way back to when I posted on Moon's blog.....expressing my opinion that I felt she had NPD. Granted, I'm not a psychiatrist....but have been an RN since the mid-70's. That doesn't make me the ultimate expert, but I've had enough medical training and experience to recognize mental health issues when I saw/see them. And there have been multiple medical health professionals here who gave similar opinions over the years.
We have never felt that excused her behavior....but many of us did cut her a bit of a break due to it. For me....the much bigger and more important issue is that this and all the abuse she inflicted on the children and allowed TLC to inflict on the children (multiple hours of filming and re-takes, etc.) was covered-up for years by TLC/Discovery and major news outlets.
She was the emperor with no clothes....and a massive fraud was perpetrated on the viewers. Not only was she NOT the model-mom...but she was anything but...and was a screeching harridan, a serious child abuser, a husband abuser, a pathological liar, a grifter and had serious mental issues.
Then they fired her and allowed her to spiral down into obscurity....but the damage to the children had been done. Irreversible damage. And it was all covered up.....and NEEDS to be exposed. People need to see who she really was and what the people who were insulating her actually knew and saw. They NEED to see how duped they were.....and that in being duped, they unknowingly participated in what happened to these children.....so they will learn about the dark side of reality TV and how it can damage children.
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@Dwindle~
You do rock and I love your comments. I love the ones of so many others here too. Love that there are so many intelligent and knowledgeable posters here.
Who Guessed? Said - When has Jon ever turned down a chance to talk to any tabloid?
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Maybe when it's in the best interests of his kids not to say anything. Maybe because he's grown up a bit and puts his kids first. Maybe, just maybe because because he loves those kids and knows that it would hurt them to comment on their mother. I could be wrong now, but I don't think so.
Sharon in Seattle said... 145
''I can't figure out how Robert got this information:
Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman whenordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging."
Jon is the only person that could have found the packaging. Would he tell Robert all this?
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Sharon, in the book, Robert explains that when Kate threw Jon out of the apartment, in a rage, she also threw out just about everything that she thought Jon had ever touched. She put the trash out on the road, and Robert (documenting everything he did w/photos) got the trash (which is LEGAL because once it was discarded, it is legal to pick it up) He took it home and spread it all out on his table and photographed everything.
He still has everything, which had me concerned about his and his family's physical safety!! I hope he has it all safe in some secret location!
Granted, I'm not a psychiatrist....but have been an RN since the mid-70's. That doesn't make me the ultimate expert, but I've had enough medical training and experience to recognize mental health issues when I saw/see them.
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God help us all if those of you in 'the medical field' and have 'medical training' can diagnose mental illness based on an edited TV show!
I wonder how long, before Kate starts bashing Jon. If she does show up on Katie, will Kate bash Jon, like she always does? I'm sure as I think Admin posted: Kate will say, that her lawyer told her to say no comment on the book or the abuse. We should take bets.
Who guessed? said... 155
''.......Something very telling today. ROL wrote that they contacted Jon for a comment and got none. When has Jon ever turned down a chance to talk to any tabloid?''
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Once again, you are so right!! When has Jon ever turned down a chance to talk to any tabloid? Well.....wait. I guess maybe that isn't quite right. Oh...I bet Jon is talking as we speak, but we just don't know what he said. You are very clever to not remind us that Jon's twitter has been removed for a few months.
Between ROL and Daily Mail, it is obvious that Kate's lawyers are working through the weekend. I hope they bill her at a higher rate. And ROL just had to say what powerful and prestigious firms are backing Kate and Discovery. Obvious attempt at intimidation. Kate is still trying to use her money to make Robert back down, and he won't. I bet she is just beside herself. She has always been able to wave her hand and make her problems go away. Not this time. And this is going to cost her.
Admin-I reread the letter again. It was Amazon who used the phrase intellectual property. The last paragraph of that letter was their warning to Robert. We don't know if Kate's lawyers used that phrase.
In the letter, Amazon said:
"We’ve received a notice from a third party claiming that the distribution of the following title you submitted for sale through the Amazon Kindle Store may not be properly authorized by the appropriate rights holder:"
Amazon listed Kate's lawyers email as the contact information for the third party. The third party(Kate) is claiming that Robert had no authorization to use the material and violated her rights. That's the way I interpret it.
I wonder if Kate contacted Amazon herself, threatening to sue Amazon? Only the lawyers email is listed. No phone number or address. We know Kate does most of her correspondence through email.
Hey guys, You've got to read this! It explains exactly what's going on the how the backlash of public opinion against censorship really hurts in some of the cases. You need to read it all. The excerpts below are just a small part of it.
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How to Write an Effective and Nasty Cease and Desist Letter
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/marty-singer-cease-and-desist-letter-350612
[quote]STORY: Marty Singer Breaks Down the Art of the Cease-and-Desist Letter
In the cutthroat world of Hollywood law, the pen can be mightier than the sword. With litigation costs skyrocketing and court dockets clogged, a forceful cease-and-desist letter is increasingly a much quicker and more effective weapon than the sharp blade of litigation. But it is not without risks.
He and his firm, L.A.’s Lavely & Singer, send hundreds of threatening communications each year, many of them to media outlets. “Excellent cease-and-desist letters don’t pull any punches. Make them think twice: Pull the plug or be sued,” says Singer of his letters, which can total 10 pages and often contain detailed legal analysis as well as ominous phrases like “govern yourselves accordingly.”
“The wider masses on the Internet tend to think poorly of any attempt at censorship,” says Masnick. “Lawyers who don’t recognize this and still think they’re entering into a negotiation solely against a single opponent don’t seem to do well when they realize that the court of public opinion also can weigh in ... and take action.”
For that reason, Singer says he tries to talk his clients out of sending letters “95 percent of the time.” And he drafts demands with one eye on the public. “I write letters and hope they publish it,” he says. “Let people know how bad they are.”
Despite the increase in nasty correspondence, attorneys say staying cool-headed is usually the best strategy in response.
“I think it’s really funny when I get cease-and-desist letters that use italics, bold and underlining all at once,” says litigator Aaron Moss, whose book publisher client recently was threatened by a notorious reality TV star who wanted $1 million to walk away. “On several occasions, a well-reasoned responsive letter has caused the other side to just drop its case, with no lawsuit being filed.”[quote]
Please go read the whole article. It's tells of counter suits that have won. It's worth it.
It just makes me even more happy that I've donated to Robert's legal fund. ;)
Jon should not say one word. Not one...let Kate sink her little empire herself.
And I think more information is coming. Only a matter of time before everyone opens up about the child abuse. Hitting a 2 year is abuse. Period. And I doubt the beatings have stopped. Bet on it.
''.......Something very telling today. ROL wrote that they contacted Jon for a comment and got none. When has Jon ever turned down a chance to talk to any tabloid?''
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lol!! How would we know how many times he turned down a chance to talk to tabloids if he never talked to them? He doesn't go online saying, "Such and such contacted me today, but I didn't talk to them!"
Kate is a twit said... 170 Remona---were ever able to get the book back?
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It's there in one of my documents, which my granddaughter and her boyfriend helped me discover last night by going to Amazon.com. Our problem is that we couldn't figure out how to save it w/o it being connected w/Amazon and/or Kindle. In any case, I have it pulled up right now.
They tried to get me through the steps of disconnecting it from both Amazon and Kindle, but I was too dense to understand. They were SO patient. I'm not going to worry about it any more. I've read it, and as others have said, they can swiffer it all over the world, but one place they can NOT swiffer it is OUR brains!! Thank you for asking....that was very sweet.
Who guessed? said... 177
Granted, I'm not a psychiatrist....but have been an RN since the mid-70's. That doesn't make me the ultimate expert, but I've had enough medical training and experience to recognize mental health issues when I saw/see them.
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Exactly, it was edited and the illness and cruelty is blatant on edited tv! I shudder to think about what is on the cutting floor!
God help eveyone and anyone who was connected to the child abuse and hid it and did nothing!!!! One day either here or in the great beyond they will have to be accountable for their part in it.
The only only glimmer is that she recognized she had a problem. The sad part is she has sealed her fate by not seeking mental health help. It all comes back around. If I were the shrew I'd be very scared of the future as I suspect she is.
Why have there been no denials from her or her attorneys?
Pulling a child up by the hair is child abuse.Whipping one when you yourself is out of control is child abuse.
The treatment of the dogs were animal abuse.
This woman is an abuser and most abusers were abused.
Guessed said,
"God help us all if those of you in 'the medical field' and have 'medical training' can diagnose mental illness based on an edited TV show!"
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What about in a personal journal/diary/e-mails? The television show was the realest of the reality shows out there, according to Kate. What she wrote in those journals just backs up everything seen on television as showing her "real" self. You don't have to be in the medical field or have medical training to look at her behavior and say that something just isn't right upstairs. Call it what you want, mental illness, being unbalanced, having issues...fact is that she's not playing with a full deck.
Who guessed? said... 177
God help us all if those of you in 'the medical field' and have 'medical training' can diagnose mental illness based on an edited TV show!
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Honey....if her mental illness was clear from the edited show....I'm sure it was screaming from the stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor.....especially during the earlier years when TLC was trying to portray her as a model mom.
I'm not a meteorologist either but I surely do know when it's raining versus when the sun is out.
I'm not a trained chef but I can cook pretty darn well.
Trust me....I have MORE than enough medical training and experience to recognize mental health issues....as do many others here. But you basically only need a working brain and two eyeballs to see Kate's mental illness issues. And I am confident that the appearance was not edited-in during all those early years but that TLC went to a whole lotta trouble to edit out as much of as they could.
I mean....are you really serious?
It seems to have been screaming out to everyone but you.....and a small handful of other fans. To everyone else....it seemed as clear as the nose on your face.....and I'm assuming there IS a nose on your face.
Reader lady-
Thanks for the group name for our candles. I lit one and put in 15
Your comment made me cry.
Ruh Roh, Remona Blue 165 -- You quoted from That Scottish Play! Did you go outside, turn around 3 times and spit?
Who is this Stephanie person you're always talking about? It's driving me nuts. There are sooo many posts on this blog, and when I miss something that becomes a running joke - heave forbid! I get so frustrated.
I missed the "Stephanie story". I missed the Rumspringa story. took me forever to figure that one out. And now it's Stephanie. I don't get it.
Who guessed that Kate is on twitter silence today because she's spending her time posting on this blog? Clap! Clap! Show of hands please!
Where's Jon, No More Kate said... 186
"Exactly, it was edited and the illness and cruelty is blatant on edited tv! I shudder to think about what is on the cutting floor!"
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Oops....sorry "Where's Jon, No More Kate".....I didn't see that you'd already written this before I wrote something similar.
Also...people with mental health issues...esp. schizophrenia, bi-polar and other brain chemical problems....often either don't seek treatment or won't take the prescribed medications for the mental health issues. I don't even know how to word this exactly, but I feel more angry at TLC and others in her inner circle (than I do at Kate...in terms of not seeking treatment) who fed into her mental illness issues and just made them worse. They insulated and protected her from any consequences of her terrible behavior for years.
I know during the divorce there was talk at one point that Kate was upset because she felt Jon was trying to hack into her computers, looking for evidence against her. I think probably two things happened:
1) Jon backed up her hard drive and then threw it away for the paps to find
or
2) Kate, in a panic, threw away those hard drives and paperwork to cover her butt. It never occurred to her that a pap would get to the trash cans before the garbage truck came.
Where's Jon, No More Kate said... 186
"Exactly, it was edited and the illness and cruelty is blatant on edited tv! I shudder to think about what is on the cutting floor!"
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Oops....sorry "Where's Jon, No More Kate".....I didn't see that you'd already written this before I wrote something similar.
Also...people with mental health issues...esp. schizophrenia, bi-polar and other brain chemical problems....often either don't seek treatment or won't take the prescribed medications for the mental health issues. I don't even know how to word this exactly, but I feel more angry at TLC and others in her inner circle (than I do at Kate...in terms of not seeking treatment) who fed into her mental illness issues and just made them worse. They insulated and protected her from any consequences of her terrible behavior for years.
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That's ok Dee, I'm flattered we think alike. :)
dee3 said... 163
I can understand a 13 year old writing in a diary. When I was 13, that was considered a cool thing to do. But a narcissist spilling her guts about all her abusive thoughts and actions? I believe she did it....but WHY?
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Dee3...you just answered your own question...why did Kate journal this? Because she's never developed (mentally or emotionally) past the age of 13.
NJGal51 said... 192
Who guessed that Kate is on twitter silence today because she's spending her time posting on this blog? Clap! Clap! Show of hands please!
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That, and she's holed up, reading Robert's book, while slugging her wine. And shooting off emails to her manager and her attorney, "masterminding" her strategy.
BTW...LOVE the profile pic of Achmed. Too funny! (And I needed a good laugh today!)
Sharon, in the book, Robert explains that when Kate threw Jon out of the apartment, in a rage, she also threw out just about everything that she thought Jon had ever touched. She put the trash out on the road, and Robert (documenting everything he did w/photos) got the trash (which is LEGAL because once it was discarded, it is legal to pick it up) He took it home and spread it all out on his table and photographed everything.
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It's hard to believe she would still have packaging from before she got pregnant with the tups.
@Where's Jon, No More Kate said... 195
This is reminding me of all the "it was editing" screams after the Sarah Palin camp-out episode aired. What the heck did they mean? That someone somehow photoshopped a fake Kate acting like a harridan? If she was filmed acting like a harridan...then she was acting like a harridan. What did editing have to do with it?
If a person DOES something and it's filmed....or if a person WRITES something and you have it as proof.....then editing and/or HOW it was obtained does not change the fact that it EXISTS and it HAPPENED. They seem to think that "editing" means magic....and smoke and mirrors.
I think they have a term for this in the legal world....res ipsa loquitur?
Not sure if I spelled it correctly but it means something like "the evidence speaks for itself"....or "the fact speaks for itself".
It just makes me shake my head when they always use this "it was edited" as some sort of proof that it never happened or never existed.
Dee3 (163) "But my first BIG question was....WHAT? Kate actually confessed in her own journals about horribly abusing the children? Are you kidding me? HOW? and WHY?......and I've still not really figured this all out."
To me, that's probably the narcissism in her. That's what having a NPS will do to your mind: you are positive that everything you think or do is way above average, perfect, unique and "mahvelous". In Kate's case, she probably started writing her auto-glorification, asserting her greatness, in private journals because they were the only outlets available to her at that time. She had to brag about her courage I'm sure she thought she demonstrated while dealing with so many kids that would just not obey her.
And then, she became a public figure promoted as THE can-do Mom. To her, -and her disease-, that became the ultimate confirmation that her pearls of wisdom on parenting should be offered to the mediocre masses as proof of her superiority and as examples of what we should all to strive for as mothers. Her CC blog on the "globe affair" was so obviously written with great pride, she was so sure she was sharing a great moment in raising her children, it's almost painful to read.
I'm not a psychologist, but I do sense that the same psychological mechanism at work here, between her horrific journal entries and the CC blog. And those horrible photos of brown slop she seems so proud to serve her children. ("Again, a "10' Mom!!!" Happy dances and cartwheels!!! ), and all the other strange rituals she imposes on her children.
I read the comment about The Spanker being added to the BBB, and Mady apparently received several spankings on one outing. If Mady was spanked so much at that age, I'm sure Kate didn't stop when the tups grew older...
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