Are you there God? It's me, Kate.
We will do a “book club” style discussion of a few chapters at a time as we read the book together. You are free to read with the group or skip ahead. You are also free to discuss whatever you like, however if you want to partake in the book club discussion, this thread is here to discuss the designated chapters. Robert Hoffman’s book “Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World” is available on Amazon for Kindle. The Kindle app is free for multiple platforms, including PCs.
5. Bad Blog
Kate obsessively reads what is said about her on the internet, from Google news alert to the Gosselin blogs. Undeniably the first online presence to ever call Kate out was the Reading Eagle, a small but respected local newspaper. Staff member Dana Hoffman kept a blog on the site detailing Kate's misdeeds. Kate's people eventually called up the Reading Eagle and asked them to shut down her blog. Within hours the paper removed it from the site. Kate keeps files on her computer with information from blogs and even on their moderators. The file folder for Dana's blog was entitled "Bad Blog."
In January 2008, Kate also asked Discovery to remove Television Without Pity's Jon and Kate forum (which in fact was closed eventually, in June 2008), and the Discovery Health Channel forum.
Kate's house is in a rural neighborhood and surrounded by farmland. She once drove the kids three hours to Maryland to trick-or-treat in her bodyguard Steve's neighborhood.
When Jodi and Kevin spoke publicly about what they saw, Kate fired off an email to Discovery with her three favorite words: "Can we sue?"
According to a member of Kate's family, Kate has been diagnosed with bi-polar, but refuses to take medication.
Hoffman once observed Kate with the kids when she was having a very stable, happy day. She and the nanny, Judy, took the sextuplets to get donuts, later they went to the park and spent a long time there, then met up with another mother and her daughter for a play date back at the house. Hoffman also observed her chatting up and flirting with a park employee.
7. Kate's God Complex
“I asked her how that works as far as our rate going up from Disc Health network and the ‘fringe benefits’ as I call them…. She said that the amount we are paid per show will not take away from what they (AMP) will provide for us. She used the examples of the kids beds… she said those things come out of their (AMP) budget from the network. So that is almost mind boggling to me we will be paid for each episode and receive fringe benefits!!!!! Lord, how great thou art!!!!!”
Kate felt God was "urging" her to quit her nursing job.
Kate said that if Discovery wasn't going to pay for the beds she wasn't going to allow them to film the episode about beds. Jen (producer Jen Stocks) was annoyed by this.
As for Jon, Kate wrote: “I pray that his complacency would leave him and would turn into passion for the Lord! Lord PLEASE help Jon to desire these things!!!!!! Help him to become a man of integrity!!!!! Lord please!!!!! He could be the perfect man if he could get these things under control and let God take control!!!!!”
Alexia foods sent four cases of fries. Other food was sent by others or offered at reduced prices. Fans, friends and family sent gift cards and cash, including $250 from Kate's parents, and Kate attributed it all to God.
Kate writes this about the children: “Lord I am begging you to help me be a loving caring kind and slow to anger mommy. Please stop me somehow from hurting my kids and help me to be slow to anger!!!! I love them SOOO much. Help them to obey me!!!!! And not get into trouble!!!!! Please Lord, amen!!!!”
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1872 Newer› Newest»You know I wonder if Sarah Palin really did report the child abuse she saw? I don't think she would ignore it.
The shrew's goose is cooked! If this goes to court all those NDA's go out the window. It will all come out.
I will donate to Robert's fund as much and as often as I can because I'd LOVE for it go to to court and I'd love for the world to know how much worse it really was/is and if it were to go to court we will find out ALL the secrets.
I don't think Discovery would really like to be judged as an enabler to Joan Crawford like child abuse.
If it reaches that level I suspect there will be many pro lawyers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why I do believe Gloria Aldred comes to mind.
(to the shrew-see I can use exclamation points too)
What exactly happened- missed that part.
Here's how I saved my book from my iPad.. I downloaded kindle on my laptop. Open kindle that's on laptop. There should be a spot to add your email that you use for amazon.. Add that information. You should now see the book on your pc or laptop. From there, go to, my documents, there should be be a folder called my kindle documents.. (the saved name on our pc was b009i8g824_ebok) (1,000 553 kb) right click and copy to save in a file.
When you download kindle to pc, you will have to register. No big deal.
Just me.....
I don't have twitter...are any of her twitty enablers sending her support today...or are they reading the book too??
Sharon in Seattle said... 198
''It's hard to believe she would still have packaging from before she got pregnant with the tups.''
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His describing Kate's rage when she threw Jon out of the apartment over the garage reminded me of her throwing the twin's stuff down that staircase that we all saw.
Well, that reminds me of something else that Robert wrote. He said that JON is the neat freak. JON vacuums his place, JON'S car is spotless. JON does laundry, irons, folds and puts away clothes. He said that JON is the neat freak, and then tells about Kate's stuff piled all over the place. He even said that watching Kate drag that vacuum across those sharp rocks in the RV episode made it clear that Kate had no clue about vacuums.
I smiled about the vacuum, because that reminds me of ME. Many many years ago, I got dizzy using the vacuum, and convinced my ex-husband that I couldn't use it, so he did the vacuuming. It worked so well w/him that I pulled the same thing on my late husband. When the vacuum broke, I took it in to be repaired, and the man was flabbergasted when I didn't even know how to turn in on!!
Haven't bought the book, and won't, so could someone relive their childhood and write a nice book report? :) I also haven't had a chance to read any of the comments in the last thread or many here yet. From what has been posted though, Khate is just as nutso (the preferred professional term), violent, and greedy as I've always thought she was. I do have to disagree with a bipolar label.
And of course, GO NATS!!!!!!! #1
I too finished the book. Amazon has not removed it, and I have not disabled my wireless. She is utterly unbelievable. Beyond words. Does she and her baa baa black sheep not realize that she has just admitted that she wrote everything Robert claims she did? How will they explain this? I think the the "Black Christmas" poem was very, very disturbing.
White Organza said... 200
''.....Her CC blog on the "globe affair" was so obviously written with great pride, she was so sure she was sharing a great moment in raising her children, it's almost painful to read.''
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You are SO right. She was positive she was showing everyone what a wonderful mother she was, and she was absolutely oblivious about what she was actually revealing about herself!
@ Knows Quality and White Organza~
Thank you so much for your comments. I really appreciate you taking the time.
I'm probably at a huge disadvantage without being able to read the book. I'm assuming there are many journal entries in it and maybe it gives a better picture of Kate's journaling?
Do many adults journal? Is this common?
All I can say is that when I suddenly found out about all this yesterday....I was stunned that she journaled at all......and then almost flabbergasted when I read a passage provided here from one of her journal entries regarding her yanking a child up by the hair and all the other horrific abuse to the toddlers still in diapers....and her fears that she would seriously hurt the children.
Maybe when I get to read the book one day....it will make more sense to me. I understand there are a bunch of entries from her early journaling with all sorts of religious references related to the prosperity gospel and to helping Jon understand it, etc. Maybe when I get to read all of them, I'll get a wider picture and can better understand her journaling.
But I have to say that at the current time I am quite baffled. I just cannot imagine Kate journaling.....much less confessing to all sorts of pretty horrific child abuse in her journals. How stupid would one have to be to journal all these horrific confessions and then not properly dispose of them? Maybe someone who had no idea you have to wipe a hard drive clean before you put it out with the trash?
I have so many questions. Was the journaling done on the computer or by hand? If by computer, did she delete the journals and not realize they were still saved on the hard drive.....but instead thought deleting things on a computer meant they were completely gone from that computer? And had no idea she still needed to wipe the hard drive clean?
And when did she start journaling and when did she stop? Or does she still journal?
Is all the info regarding what Robert Hoffman was able to find and how he found it documented in the book? There are just so many details I don't know regarding all the documentation that he obtained that contain Kate's own words.....and how and why she even wrote them...and how he got them. I'm just missing SO much information.
Spoilerish:
The poem written by one of the twins at the 31421 mark is so so sad.
Kate-if you read here know this for fact. At least one of those kids is going to bite you in the ass big time, sooner rather than later.
And I'll buy that and read it too!!
Where's Jon, No More Kate said... 2
You know I wonder if Sarah Palin really did report the child abuse she saw? I don't think she would ignore it.
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My recollection....although I can't remember all the specifics...is that someone there (during the Palin episode) threatened to report the child abuse but was convinced not to if they told Kate G. she had to leave quickly....and she gladly did because she was having a miserable time anyway and making no bones about it.
I'm hoping someone here can remember more details about what happened......although I absolutely remember that there was a brouhaha over someone wanting to report Kate for child abuse for something she did there....but the person was somehow convinced not to.
Knows Quality, I so appreciate you discussing your "path" through the book. I'm one who procrastinated too long and missed getting it so I'm doing it vicariously through the posts here.
I have to comment a ways back on a twit from K. about the birthday I-Phones for the twins. Bus I can see but really ... while "VISITING" their dad? 50/50 custody means that they are LIVING with him as much as they are living with you. Maybe we need to refer to your custody time as visitation rights.
Layla said... There was also a mention of that "family weeding project" Kate tweeted about this summer. She made it sound like they were happily weeding together, but RH went over to watch and see what was happening. Kate was jogging in the driveway, then sitting in the shade screaming at the kids while they did the work. He said it was hot and they were begging to go inside. If she has so much money, then why not let the yard people do the weeding instead of 8-yr-olds?
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Not sure of the timing, but could it be she was expecting paps and wanted to make sure all of the kids were outside so that she could get the shot she wanted? I say this as there was a pic of her and at least 2 kids gardening in either US or Star. Even stranger it was in the 'Just Like Us" or Celebs are normal section.
I don't think it's unusual to journal if you expect you might one day soon write a book.
I also think if something as life changing as sextuplets happened to you, you might journal to remember the experience and look back on it.
Sounds reasonable to me.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 94
The fact that no one is suing for libel is the biggest indicator of what's true, rather than who has what source.
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How do you know for a "fact" that no one is or will be suing for libel?
Dee, I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure that Kate's ''journal'' was written when she and Beth were writing the book. Of course, they weren't included in the book. Robert includes it all in his comparison between what was actually in the book, and what was left out.
Just try to compare what she was saying in her prayers in her journal with what she proudly posted about that blasted globe. Kate simply does NOT think the way most people does, and maybe that is what is confusing you.
westcoastie....I agree about that poem. It broke my heart.
OK...I now announce that I'm going to go fix some breakfast/brunch...not a good night, but I am feeling the need for some comfort food of biscuits and sausage gravy, giving others to get a word in edgewise!!
How do you know for a "fact" that no one is or will be suing for libel?
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I don't.
Re expulsion and suspension, wasn't it put out there when the story broke about A and C that all eight kids had been suspended at one time or another? Could have sworn I read that.
Has the cast Collin was wearing on his hand been explained?
This song is playing on Robert's site now:
Luka" is a song recorded by Suzanne Vega and released as a single in 1987. It remains her highest-charting hit in the United States, reaching #3 on the Billboard Hot 100. This song was one of the earliest to deal with child abuse and domestic violence. One critic said, "the 'happy' music is a metaphorical denial, making this seem beautiful and serene while discussing something terrible and devastating. It is a wonderful use of tune as a metaphor for how many abuse victims also deny their abuse, and is a profound classic".[
westcoastie said... 11
Spoilerish:
The poem written by one of the twins at the 31421 mark is so so sad.
Kate-if you read here know this for fact. At least one of those kids is going to bite you in the ass big time, sooner rather than later.
And I'll buy that and read it too!!
September 30, 2012 3:44 PM
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I found it to be very sad and disturbing. How can anyone see that and not feel that child's anguish? Oh wait, this is Katie Irene we're talking about.
I have a simple question...and don't even feel like going over to see what Al Walentis blogged about related to the $2.44 donations....as I've not thought much of him for quite some time....BUT:
Would just the fact that an author who lawyers are attempting to muzzle has people donating to his legal fund because they support the book and the release of the book.......be any help in getting things like help from pro-bono free-speech attorneys, free-speech groups or even from a judge Mr. Hoffman might have to come in front of?
In other words...regardless of the amount of money donated to this legal fund.....could just the fact that others who support him are donating to his legal defense......help him out in other ways? In terms of legal help, etc.? Would it help to make it look more like a free-speech/whistle-blower-silencing/right to information case?
I'm just curious. I feel like I didn't explain my question very well. I thinking along the lines of the possibility that having internet support to the point where people are voluntarily donating to your legal defense fund....could help make this a hot potato for the legal teams trying to silence him? Help to turn it into a free-speech battle?
OK...that's not very good either, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.
''.......Something very telling today. ROL wrote that they contacted Jon for a comment and got none. When has Jon ever turned down a chance to talk to any tabloid?''
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Is this facetious? He's given all of two interviews in the past six months.
Maybe he doesn't want to be in a position of having to admit it's true. This is still his children's mother.
Has Kate had the courtesy to open the gift from Paige yet?
Remona - it's dishes that make ME dizzy tee hee
Hi. First time poster. I'm really upset I was away and didn't get a chance to buy the book. I really want to read it. Does anyone know of a way I could do this?
Also, does anyone know how to contact Robert Hoffman. If amazon pulled his book he can still self publish his book on "Smashwords" so everyone who didn't get a chance to buy it still can. This situation of amazon pulling the book because of Kate is the same exact thing that happened with the Madeline Mccann case. It's a famous missing child case in England in which the parents fooled the entire world in thinking that their daughter was abducted but in reality they killed her through a medication overdose and then hid the body. Anyway Pat Brown a famous FBI criminal profiler published the truth on Amazon in ebook form and the Mccanns and their lawyers had her book pulled from Amazon but she still self published the book on "Smashwords."
Hopefully, someone can inform Robert of this so maybe he will be able to do the same.
It would be silly to sue for liable by Kate, she has been the worst culprit of spreading horrible and defaming information about others. I am sure there will be counter suits by others against Kate.
If TLC is smart they will do to Kate what she did to Jon. Umm Kate, I think you violated your agreements with TLC by being irresponsible re information. Even your attorney has a disclaimer on his website re faxing information to his office and there is no guarantee this information could be kept confidential.
Great, Kate is not an A list celebrity like the others that hire Singer, so I expect she will start using what is left of the kids money to fund her ongoing legal battles.
A bipolar, narcisscist never goes away quietly without hurting everyone in their path to be right!
I'm not reading the book but I was on RWA...and they had a breakdown of what she made over the years per episode....Its no where near what I thought she made...they claimed the last season she was raking in 250,000 an episode when in reality it was 22,500 an epi...did I read that right? If thats true there no way she can survive for a long period of time ...what with legal fees and tuition for kids...somebody stear my right...even with the money for her book...its still not what I thought she was worth...
I think Jon was a big part of this book.
The poor guy has been muzzled, and this was a good way to get the story out there about Kate without making Jon seem THAT bad.
I'm not sure about the Canadian pharmacy thing, though. The only thing that even remotely makes sense is that somehow Jon found it and was hiding it from Kate, who threw it away unwittingly.
@Administrator~
I can totally understand wanting to journal your experiences when having sextuplets. What I'm having trouble with is why you would journal abusing them and how much you're worried you'll hurt them?
@Remona Blue~
OK...so she was journaling in order to help Beth write the book? That could make sense in a way....but I think what I'm having trouble understanding is why the Kate G. who spins cotton candy on twitter and on her blog at CC and on her own blog.....and in her interview on talk shows....and has always tried to pretend that that everything is great in mommy-world............journal/document that she was abusing her toddlers and worried she'd really hurt them?
Why would someone who has always come across as seeing herself as always right and blaming others for anything that goes wrong.....confessing in her own journals that she was abusing her children and feared she'd really hurt them?
When she spanked that girl tup in her driveway (I think it was Leah), I'd always assumed that she'd simply lost it and just lost control at that moment. She just became overcome with anger and flipped out and hit her daughter right in front of the cameras....then later tried to cover by saying she disciplined her kids as she saw fit.
But when you journal....you have some time to think about it....calmly, right? And if she was writing this journal to help write the book, why did she put those confessions in? Surely she'd have never wanted them in the book.
I'm hoping that if and when I finally get to read the book...this will make a lot more sense to me. I'd always seen her as a malignant narcissist....and I need to re-think this with this new info regarding the possible bi-polar diagnosis that is apparently in the book. My perceptions of her may have been a bit skewed......not that she's not as bad or even worse than I'd imagined....just that I may have not been seeing her...mental health-wise, from the exact right/correct angle....if that makes sense. She and others around her have put on such a false facade that it can be difficult to see exactly who Kate is....but from what I'm reading here....the book exposes her as being far worse than anyone imagined.
All I can say, really...is that I can't wait to read the book. I think it will help answer a whole lot of my questions.
She lied about the tree damage.
She lied about the easter egg stuffing.
She lied about going to church.
She lied about being snowed in.
Why all the lying? I just don't get it.
If her fans want to believe her and worship their queen, they deserve to be taken advantage of. They approve of her because they would do the same thing.
If Kate spends that much of her *visitation* time with the kids away from them, it's a win-win! She gets away, and the kids are away from her and the abuse.
She will never be a good parent, so let's hope that their dad can make up for the lack of mothering. The twins are old enough to say who they want to live with, and it doesn't have to do with abuse, etc, they can just say I want to live with dad, and it should be a done deal...and the little ones are approaching that age soon. There is NO WAY all of those kids will remain in the house with her until they are ready to leave the nest.
I am surprised none of the kids have broached this subject of living with their dad.
Kat, those numbers were only for 2007. She made 2 million in 2008 not including freebies.
I don't think Kate realizes she is lying. I think it's so much a part of who she is that she creates her truths as she goes along.
The truly remarkable thing is how long she's gotten away with it.
I'd like to believe this will be the end of Kate, but she's really, really good at putting her spin on things and coming out sweeling fresh as a rose.
Al's comment about Robert having only collected two bucks in his paypal account is a joke. I donated a heck of a lot more than this morning and will monitor the situation (and my finances) to give more.
Robert has done a lot to vindicate us and we owe him whatever help we can provide. He's truly taking one for the team.
Maybe he doesn't want to be in a position of having to admit it's true. This is still his children's mother.
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Maybe he doesn't want to be called out for calling this demented woman a GREAT mother. Or maybe he's setting it up to do a more intense, exclusive for th Star or the like.
So the twins got new iphones...does that mean they upgraded from an old iphone?
And Kate's tweet said she doesn't like to change iphones...bullsh*t! (how many pink iphones has she had?)
I hope the twins google their mom.
Wonder if there will be whispers and stares at school tomorrow? (you know the locals read the book).
And what's with all the lying about the bus stop pick ups/drop offs?
I just want to say to everyone here that I'm so proud to be part of this group. Even though I haven't posted in a long long time I read here everyday that I didn't post.
I worked with children with behavior disorders and emotional disturbance for a long time.
One of the first signs of abuse if refusal to let a counselor see the children or work with the family. A big sign of denial is refusing to go yourself. You fool yourself with denial and tons of reasons but deep down inside you know you're AFRAID!
Their whole future depends on the cooperation of the parents/family to get them the help they need regardless of the parents feeling for each other!
Occasionally one meets a parent who is in denial about their part in the child's well being. Those are the hardest. The children are basically sentenced to a life of difficulty and pain.They suffer from anxiety,many physical ailments, like stomach aches, constipation(except for the one whose mom gave her an enema everyday!)headaches,a gray skin pallor,behavior and social problems with others and at school. They know the face that means "oh good I can go talk to Mommy/Daddy" and they know the face that means"ut oh I need to make myself scarce and stay out of their way" !
The shrew says she loves them and pretends to even today?????????
Let me tell you what true love does. It sacrifices everything to help your children not maintain a facade for yourself!
It means taking a good long look in the mirror and admitting you are not the best thing in their life and you are not God!
It means getting them in a safe loving environment permanently then working on yourself so you can be the parent you want to be not the counterphobic facade you present to everyone else.
It means finding out who you really are and why you react as you do. Before any behaviors can be changed they must be identified.
It means finding a true identity for yourself, not a FAKE persona you present to the world.
This is also the most courageous thing one can do too because it's scary. It's so scary it makes some want to throw up at the thought.
After reading Al's crap I went to Polly's to complain about her and Al. I asked her why we're they trashing Robert? I thought we were all on the same side. She did not post it and blocked me. Ahhhh, very clear now. Jealousy rears its ugly head!
Ramona, I get a huge kick out of you. I am a grandmother of 3, ages 4-18 and they are the joy of our lives. I also live in the same state as you!
Blondie's post continued
Sometimes there are sad outcomes, I've had some of the children I've worked with killed by abusive parents that were returned too soon to parents who'd done everything CPS and judges required of them. (still haven't gotten over those)
If anything is positive to come of that it's that a judge became much more cautious and appointed guardain ad litems that stay in a child's life much longer than necessary.
There are many that were success cases. It took courageous parents who REALLY loved their children (more than themselves) who left their child alone with the safe parent without custodial interference and recognized the work they must do. They were able to change over time but no quick fixes.
I recognize so many signs that I've seen with the Gosselin children. Unlike adults children are real until they are afraid to be real! Once you begin to recognize the signs you've seen many times before,they are hard not to miss. Mental and physical cruelty does manifest in children's behaviors.
Also no matter how much a child has been bribed, threatened,coaxed or told not to tell something, somewhere deep inside them they are still aware of right from wrong and not on purpose but the truth is and will be revealed.Children and teenagers can sense who means well and who is trying to keep something hidden.
It is a common fact children repeat what they have seen in behaviors and words!
These children have a future. What kind of future depends on a scared frightened little girl inside the exterior of one I call "the shrew". She is terrified the whole world will see her for the truth.
What that scared little girl doesn't realize is abuse mental and physical is generational. One has to consciously work to defeat it instead of replicating it. You know life is hard. Kids aren't perfect. They will disappoint you and there will be days you wonder "Is that my child" but true love is unconditional. It is so damaging to a child to think they must be perfect to be loved by a mother/father. They learn very early "they are bad". Sound familiar KG? Bet you felt that way in your younger days with your family. You will never know true happiness till you find out why you REACT the way you do and realize you can be ok. All the money, pedicures, manicures, etc will not give you happy, not deep down inside.
Rainbow tweets are a facade and diversion. The silence of denial of the truth in Robert's book speaks volumes.
Whew, now that I've brought all those sad memories back to myself I'll take a break.
Once again to everyone here. Thank you. It's because of you that laws can be changed and differences can be made.
Remona, sorry for misspelling your name!
I live in NY and I have Verizon Fios for my TV. I checked their TV listings for Katie Couric for next week. There are only two days that descriptions are listed for-Mon. and Wed. Mon. is about Katie at Home, and Wed. is about Hazing.
On Katie's site-Mon is Katie at home, Tues. is about bullying, Wed. is Reality TV with Kate, Thurs. is about Secret Sex Lives, and Fri. is Hazing.
These schedules are as of today, so I don't know if it's just that ABC hasn't provided Verizon with the info for Tues, Thurs, and Fri, or if the schedule has been adjusted.
If Katie's site has the correct schedule and Kate IS on Wed, I thinks it's ironic that except for Monday's show, the other shows are about bullying, secret sex lives and hazing.
Catherine...that included all the way up to season 5.....i dont get it...
She will never be a good parent, so let's hope that their dad can make up for the lack of mothering. The twins are old enough to say who they want to live with, and it doesn't have to do with abuse, etc, they can just say I want to live with dad, and it should be a done deal...and the little ones are approaching that age soon. There is NO WAY all of those kids will remain in the house with her until they are ready to leave the nest.
I am surprised none of the kids have broached this subject of living with their dad.
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Who says they haven't? But just because they want to doesn't mean that A) the judge would allow it B) Jon wants it
Dee3 - I remember the AK talk about abuse the same way you do. Unfortunately I don't remember many details and I dont think that the was much written in the press about it.
aggiemom09121416 said... 31
She lied about the tree damage.
She lied about the easter egg stuffing.
She lied about going to church.
She lied about being snowed in.
Why all the lying? I just don't get it.
If her fans want to believe her and worship their queen, they deserve to be taken advantage of. They approve of her because they would do the same thing.
If Kate spends that much of her *visitation* time with the kids away from them, it's a win-win! She gets away, and the kids are away from her and the abuse.
She will never be a good parent, so let's hope that their dad can make up for the lack of mothering. The twins are old enough to say who they want to live with, and it doesn't have to do with abuse, etc, they can just say I want to live with dad, and it should be a done deal...and the little ones are approaching that age soon. There is NO WAY all of those kids will remain in the house with her until they are ready to leave the nest.
I am surprised none of the kids have broached this subject of living with their dad.
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Why does she lie? What would be the truth? It's too scary for her to face I suspect. It's all a fake world she creates for the public who are gullible enough to swallow it.
She really should be a science fiction writer.
She's got the skills for that.
Once upon a time a cruel queen lived in a castle and lied to everyone because she could. After all anyone who didn't believe her or questioned her she's simply say "Off with their head". etc
First time commenter here so I am not sure how the commenting system works. I wanted to daw attention to this comment by another first time commenter below called Sarah,
Admin I am wondering what your thoughts are on Sarah's comments about the McCann family.
I am concerned that she has slandered an innocent family. There has NEVER been any evidence that the McCann family was involved in the disappearance of their daughter and Sarah's comments in my opinion are disgusting and slanderous,
I do not think they should be allowed to stay on this site. The owner of a blog is responsible for the comments left and if anything illegal or slanderous is left by someone, the blog owner is just as liable.
I hope you consider removing the parts about the McCann family.
Thanks
Mackenzie
Thankssarah said... 26
Hi. First time poster. I'm really upset I was away and didn't get a chance to buy the book. I really want to read it. Does anyone know of a way I could do this?
Also, does anyone know how to contact Robert Hoffman. If amazon pulled his book he can still self publish his book on "Smashwords" so everyone who didn't get a chance to buy it still can. This situation of amazon pulling the book because of Kate is the same exact thing that happened with the Madeline Mccann case. It's a famous missing child case in England in which the parents fooled the entire world in thinking that their daughter was abducted but in reality they killed her through a medication overdose and then hid the body. Anyway Pat Brown a famous FBI criminal profiler published the truth on Amazon in ebook form and the Mccanns and their lawyers had her book pulled from Amazon but she still self published the book on "Smashwords."
Hopefully, someone can inform Robert of this so maybe he will be able to do the same.
Dee...
Just re-read this prayer taken from her journal at the beginning of this topic, and notice how her prayer to God to help her control herself becomes asking God to help her kids to obey her and not get into trouble.
“Lord I am begging you to help me be a loving caring kind and slow to anger mommy. Please stop me somehow from hurting my kids and help me to be slow to anger!!!! I love them SOOO much. Help them to obey me!!!!! And not get into trouble!!!!! Please Lord, amen!!!!”
I saved something that Dwindle said way back somewhere on this blog. I think it explains it very well.
''Dwindle said:
Seriously though, I think perhaps her justification was to later sort through it, for use in a book, about how overwhelmed she was/is, how put upon, how horrible her life is, and yes how those dang kids ruined her life. Look at what came out in "I just cant stop being annoyed by you" or whatever she called it. I think she was planning on sypmathy and tea and gift cards and media tours when she parsed out how she just #sobusyandexhausted that she had no other outlet but to beat her babies.
A truly psychopathic narcissist, that beating, humiliating, pinching, hair pulling, screaming and name calling babies and toddlers should win HER attention and sympathy.''
Does anyone know how many books were downloaded before it was pulled? All I can say after reading it is "wow!!". No wonder why kreider was willing to part with a buck for the lawyers. She's probably cleaned up a few doodoo accidents of her own during this past summer while in litigation. I guess we can now declare that she is not asexual since the book evidence says she's a "promiscuous sex kitten". So much for her christian image. She is toast! My heart goes out to those kids. I hope mommy's evil empire gets blown apart like the queen in the movie snow white and the huntsman and the kids get to live with Jon permanently. Good for you, Robert, in having the guts to go against gestational commodity carrier.
Dee3, I know what you are talking about. Remember the shooting in Florida this spring where the man shot a young man in his gated community? Lots of people contributed online to his defense and his wife lied to the judge about how much money they had. I don't think they were able to use a free lawyer then.
KAT, the big bucks started rolling in after Kate hired Julie Carson May (not sure of first name). Before that they were being taken advantage of by Discovery.
DEE Said
dee3 said... 22
I have a simple question...and don't even feel like going over to see what Al Walentis blogged about related to the $2.44 donations....as I've not thought much of him for quite some time....BUT:
Would just the fact that an author who lawyers are attempting to muzzle has people donating to his legal fund because they support the book and the release of the book.......be any help in getting things like help from pro-bono free-speech attorneys, free-speech groups or even from a judge Mr. Hoffman might have to come in front of?
In other words...regardless of the amount of money donated to this legal fund.....could just the fact that others who support him are donating to his legal defense......help him out in other ways? In terms of legal help, etc.? Would it help to make it look more like a free-speech/whistle-blower-silencing/right to information case?
I'm just curious. I feel like I didn't explain my question very well. I thinking along the lines of the possibility that having internet support to the point where people are voluntarily donating to your legal defense fund....could help make this a hot potato for the legal teams trying to silence him? Help to turn it into a free-speech battle?
OK...that's not very good either, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.
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DEE please read this article. It's great. It explains a lot. These are just two very small excerpts from it.
How to Write an Effective and Nasty Cease and Desist Letter
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/marty-singer-cease-and-desist-letter-350612
[quote]“The wider masses on the Internet tend to think poorly of any attempt at censorship,” says Masnick. “Lawyers who don’t recognize this and still think they’re entering into a negotiation solely against a single opponent don’t seem to do well when they realize that the court of public opinion also can weigh in ... and take action.”
Despite the increase in nasty correspondence, attorneys say staying cool-headed is usually the best strategy in response.
“I think it’s really funny when I get cease-and-desist letters that use italics, bold and underlining all at once,” says litigator Aaron Moss, whose book publisher client recently was threatened by a notorious reality TV star who wanted $1 million to walk away. “On several occasions, a well-reasoned responsive letter has caused the other side to just drop its case, with no lawsuit being filed.”[quote]
Ramona to Leanne: re thank you
SNAP=) kudos
I think that all these high priced lawyers and kate should have looked up the definition of the "Streisand effect" before pulling the book
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
Mackenzie
Who says they haven't? But just because they want to doesn't mean that A) the judge would allow it B) Jon wants it
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Kids by a certain age can live with the parent they choose to, regardless of who had first custody. (granted, living conditions, arrest records, drug use, etc etc come into play).
Why wouldn't Jon want the kids to live with him? makes no sense.
If a kid tells a judge he wants to live with the other parent, and that parent agrees to it, no judge is going to say no. doesn't make sense.
I was scrolling through the board to find my place and every time I see the attorney's Lavely & Singer, I can't help but read it as Laverne & Shirley.
I'm hoping that whatever is going on, Robert can fix it and get his book back out there. He has an important message. I was reading his last post and he mentions another book title with Multiple Blessings. I'm wondering if the problem with the book, is something with the Title (easily corrected) or the photo (he can always change it to a large wooden spoon).
Amazon has to respond by pulling the book. I've been involved in my own situations where my ISP removed first and then asked questions later.
Is the Gosselin's name branded? Is that even possible?
Barb In Nebraska said... 48
Dee3, I know what you are talking about. Remember the shooting in Florida this spring where the man shot a young man in his gated community? Lots of people contributed online to his defense and his wife lied to the judge about how much money they had. I don't think they were able to use a free lawyer then.
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Barb,
I think in the Florida case they meant court-appointed as in the state would pay for the lawyer there.
It's my understanding that any lawyer can contact someone and say, Don't worry about payment, I'll represent you free. That's what I understand Pro Bono to mean. Hope that helps.
Someone asks....why did she lie about everything....even unimportant trivial things? I don't know, but there is a similarity to Casey Anthony. From the outside everyone thought she was a great mother too. The craving for fame, love of the spot light, obsessing on appearance, unshakeable confidence, unending lying....child neglect.
I love the recent Mail Online stuff. Typical Kate mo. Of course Mady and Cara are smiling and some photog just happened to be lurking to get the shots. Any normal person would hang low, you know like Maria Shriver or others with integrity. Nope, not Kate.
readerlady said... 140
Improbable -- Thanks for the reminder. When I lighted my candle yesterday, I designated a "group" -- 15
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Thank you, Readerlady~ I was touched by the messages & meditations left there for the kids, for Jon, and for Robert. Here's the link, in case anyone else wants to visit and perhaps light their own candle.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng
Admin, I have a question.
I know it's fine and you were happy to have the blog quoted. But did RH obtain permission before adding posts from this blog to his book?
It states pretty clearly at the bottom of this page that it's a big no-no.
I'm only asking because it brings to question how careful he was about checking the legality of what he publishes.
I'm TEAM ROBERT all the way, but curious about this issue.
Our 15 group at the gratitude website now has 10 candles in it. Some of you are not going to like what I did. I lit a candle for Kate. If enough of us start praying for her maybe we can work a miracle -- Not a Kate miracle, but a genuine one -- and open her heart to the healing power of God. Or, if you don't believe, then the healing power of Love. I think she's a sad, sick woman and I hate what she's done to the kids, to Jon, and to nearly every other person in her life, but she is still the mother of those beautiful children and it's in their best interests to have a healthy mother.
Readerlady - you're incredibly kind and caring. My mother drank ... a lot. But I loved her despite her faults. You're right. She's still their mother and we should hope for her recovery.
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Mady didn't want to go to Alaska to film and cried and called Jon and begged and pleaded for him to come get her ( from home, they hadn't left yet ). Jon went to the house and spoke with Kate through the gate intercom and said he was there to get Mady because she didn't want to film in Alaska. Of course Kate refused and blew off Mady's feelings. Jon said he'd be back in the morning to get her before they left to go film, and Kate told him if he came back she'd have the police there and have him arrested!
Remember all the publicity shots of them in Alaska and in every still shot, Mady is angry and crying? She didn't want to go and didn't want to be filmed but Kate made her do it anyway!!
Barb In Nebraska said... 48
Dee3, I know what you are talking about. Remember the shooting in Florida this spring where the man shot a young man in his gated community? Lots of people contributed online to his defense and his wife lied to the judge about how much money they had. I don't think they were able to use a free lawyer then.
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Barb,
I think in the Florida case they meant court-appointed as in the state would pay for the lawyer there.
It's my understanding that any lawyer can contact someone and say, Don't worry about payment, I'll represent you free. That's what I understand Pro Bono to mean. Hope that helps.
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I'm not sure you understand what happened in Florida.
The accused set up a legal defense fund.
The judge wanted to know how much money the accused had TOTAL in order to set an appropriate bail. He never asked about the defense fund.
The accused's wife LIED to the judge about how much money they had, judge set a low bail. Jailhouse recordings of conversations between wife and accused showed the two talking in code about how much money there was. I believe that they also talked about a second passport the accused had.
So the judge hauled everybody in, wife was charged with perjury, accused went back to jail and bond was raised A LOT.
It had nothing to do with having a defense fund. It became a mess because the wife lied about how much money there was, and compounded with the passport issue, it looked like they were planning on running.
heather
The Mail Online (U.K.) has a new article up entitled: "Recalled: Brutal Kate Gosselin tell-all removed from shelves over libelous allegations". No mention of their previous article which was deleted about 24 hours ago.
bm
Readerlady..
How very kind of you. I think praying for Kate is a good idea. I think a person needs a open heart and mind to do so. I agree. She is a sad & sick woman.
I personally will pray for her tonight. I will also pray or those kids.
I still think she will never change.. The best thing she can do is get off twitter and stay out of the public eye for good.. The kids deserve that much.
Just me..
readerlady: would you mind posting the candle site again, please? I would like to participate. Thanks!
wowser: not necessarily. Kate could have learned to use sex as a means of control /or perhaps the dominatrix bit she enjoys!
Sarah -- You are right that Robert could take the book to Smashwords and continue to sell it. However, the issue here isn't the same as in Pat Brown's book. Brown's book was speculation about the solution to a crime. She could be charged with libel. In Robert's case, there's a charge of inappropriate use of intellectual property. If the findings go against him and he's continued to sell the book, he could be in a world of hurt. I don't know if he could go to jail -- Admin? -- but he could be hit with very heavy fines and damages.
"April 2007 Poor little Joel- he is in love with his daddy and wants to be loved by me. I do love him… but I hate to say that his father like cluelessness makes me crazy!"
KATE’S DISGUSTING, DIRTY BOYS The Gosselin boys are afraid of Kate. They’re scared to death actually of what she might do to them for breaking one of her biggest rules… getting dirty. I’ve seen it in how they act when they’re outside. I’ve heard it from them. And I’ve seen it many times, very subtly during the Jon & Kate Plus Ei8ht episodes. They are afraid of their mother and they are afraid to get dirty.
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Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 8636-8641). . Kindle Edition.
"Little boys being afraid to get dirty for fear of being punished by their mother? So sad. In the season four episode of Jon & Kate Plus Ei8ht called Boys Day Out, Kate says, “Boys, they’re just dirty. I’m telling you boys are just dirt, they’re just dirty!” Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 8643-8652). . Kindle Edition.
"The Gosselin boys have grown to the age of eight without knowing the joys of crawling around in the dirt playing with Tonka trucks or making mud pies or sliding into home plate or rolling down a grassy hill and getting grass stains and not having a care in the world… because Kate tells them they can’t. Even worse, she spanks them and screams at them if they get their clothes dirty."
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My Comments to the above from the book: This is heart-wrenching, and yet many of us knew this truth of how Kate truly feels about her boys. How can they not grow-up without some real issues to deal with? And poor Joel...he may have it the worst. I've seen two of his tup sisters making fun of him on the show on several occasions. They probably got that from Kate.
I see Kate on twitter silence again. Maybe lawyer ordered. I see pap Chris is around again, there are pics of Kate & the twins shopping at Giant foods. I thought Kate said she buys organic only? What she doing at Giant, it's a regular food store? Lying as usual. I notice Kate hair looks terrible, and she must have lost some more weight, her collar bone is showing, and thank God those girls look more like Jon. Genetics is sweet revenge.
Readerlady
You are right. I think Kate needs our prayers more than anyone. In the Buddhist metta tradition (metta means loving kindness) you are taught to ask for health, happiness and safety for yourself first, then for your teachers or those who are kind to you, then for those you love, then for people that see every day but don't really think about much, and then for those you don't like, or your enemies. That's the hardest part of the prayer, and the whole point of it.
Then you can pray for the whole world.
But if you don't include your "enemies" in the same spirit of loving kindness as you did for yourself and those you love and respect, everything feels meaningless.
So I did too, light a candle for Kate.
Readlady - I took your lead and also lit a candle for Kate. In looking at the candles in group 15 I noticed that "cjwho" has lit a candle with the message "I'm sorry".
SeeSaw said... 79
Seems like tempers are flaring. Mine included. Off to work on my basement clean out project.
Didn't someone once say children grow up and move out but their stuff lives on forever? That's my basement. Send good thoughts my way to help me not be tooooo sentimental. Does anyone need about 200 Beanie Babies?
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I plan to donate my Beanie Babies to the local police department to take out on domestic violence calls to give to children as a lovie at a time that they most need comfort.
Look at doing this as a way of countering Kate's throwing away the boy's lovie that had chewing gum on it, and doing that 200 times.
Purple skies: do you know why Kate did not want any of the kids to get dirty, cause: The clothes they wear are jamboree, and if they keep it clean, the clothes go to the consignment shop for resale. The more newer the clothes look the more money Kate can get. I also wonder how much of the free clothes Kate got, the kids actually wore, and how much went to the consignment shop, so Kate made money off freebees.
anger issues #69 - Giant has some organic food.
(all of the grocery stores near me have at least one aisle of organic non-perishables in addition to organic selections in the produce & meat/seafood sections...is that not true in all areas?)
Readerlady.. Thank you for that link. I messed the first one up, so it has no message. The other two were one for the children, and one for Robert AND Dana. I added Dana, because I'm sure with all this going on, she needs our support also.
The reason I became interested in Kate Gosselin is because she reminded me so much of my own NPD abusive and neglectful mother. Even down to the blonde hair, dead eyes, passive-aggressiveness, cruel streak, fiendish mind.
I finished reading the book. And now I know for sure there's another version of my mother in the world. And I'm sad to say that.
My mother didn't have a maternal bone in her body. My brother and I can count on one hand the truly nice moments we had with her. ONE hand, no exaggeration.
She was self-centered to the point of pathology. Extremely materialistic. Her temper was like a powder keg--we never knew when she'd blow or what would set her off. She was VERY into her looks and being as thin as possible (she was also bulimic). She was so manipulative, it was like an art form for her.
No one liked her. No one. Not one single person, ever. And she only pretended to like people long enough to get things from them: favors, material things, money, you name it. As soon as they could not or would not give those things to her, she would trash them permanently.
You cannot find anyone who will say a single positive word about her. My best friend's parents declined to attend my wedding because they knew she'd be there. She is banned from all family events forever. She is estranged from every single living family member, including her two adult children.
Who does that sound like?
Reading this book just confirmed for me a lot I suspected.
By the way, I burned it to a disc even though it's still on my iPad. I would loan the disc out to neighbors and friends but no one I know gives a shit about her, anyway. I think that's her ultimate karma: obscurity. Being forgotten.
I've long said the worst thing you can do to a true narcissist is ignore them. For a narcissist who was once a "celebrity," watching their fame go away is just as painful.
Enjoy it, Kate. You deserve it. Oh and those kids are going to give you eight different kinds of hell in a few years, mark my words. You'll be signing them over to Jon so fast it's ridiculous. You'll be willing to chew your own leg off to get away from them and the hell they'll give you. Normal teenagers are tough, but thanks to you, yours will all enter adolescence with huge unresolved emotional issues.
Formerly -- I don't actually know the URL for the candle site. I bookmarked it yesterday when someone posted it. However, on the previous page here, # 69, Improbable Dream posted the link or, if you prefer clickable, go to post 307 (107 on second page) of the previous thread.
CJ lit a candle and said "I'm sorry"? Talk about miracles!! If it is indeed cjwhodunit, that is HUGE!
Formerly Duped ~ Here's the link, for you and anyone else wants to visit and perhaps light their own candle.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng
anger issues kate said... 69
I see Kate on twitter silence again. Maybe lawyer ordered. I see pap Chris is around again, there are pics of Kate & the twins shopping at Giant foods. I thought Kate said she buys organic only? What she doing at Giant, it's a regular food store? Lying as usual. I notice Kate hair looks terrible, and she must have lost some more weight, her collar bone is showing, and thank God those girls look more like Jon. Genetics is sweet revenge.
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In RH's book, there's a LONG, detailed shopping list that Kate gives to those who do her shopping. It's documented that she rarely did large shoppings as she claimed (unless being filmed) - remember her tweets about 2 and 3 carts full of groceries? Her helpers do the bulk of the large food expeditions. Anyway, on the list she orders those shopping to buy Natures Promise brand which is organic and available at Giant.
Wish I could copy/paste from my iPad. I found the shopping information and Twitter lies surrounding her so-called exhausted trips very interesting.
Koop dedo: Yeah, most stores carry organic, but I thought Kate goes to all organic stores, to buy her flour and other stuff, and I thought she was a Whole Foods fan. From some of the stuff she has cooked, a lot of it can from canned food: probably Giant foods, for the kids not her. Kate is certainly goofy. I was in the Whole Foods near where I live, and they do carry everything, from food to cleaning products, so why would Kate shop at Giant , if she tells people she only does organic? Kate makes herself sound stupid.
I found a listing regarding the Katie Couric Show for Wednesday, October 3rd. (see below).
They describe Kate Gosselin as the "breakout star" of reality television. If Couric's show has been pre-taped, I hope Kate is sharing a couch with these other reality "stars". If The show was taped with Katie Couric having wind of Hoffman's book going public, I would like to see Kate being grilled about it, sitting alone. But most of all, I would like to see Kate Gosselin off television FOREVER.
I was surfing gossip sites this afternoon, and Hollywood Life ran the story about the abuse outlined in Hoffman's book. They also have a place where you can vote after being asked it you are surprised at this allegations, When I was there, 90% said NO, they were not surprised. So, perhaps Kate really hasn't fooled the world after all. Still, she manages to get back on television again as the "breakout star". Will it ever end?
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 3 – 1018
Reality TV isn’t just entertainment, it's an obsession. On today's edition of "Katie," viewers hear from their favorite reality stars, including breakout star Kate Gosselin. From Abby Lee Miller, of “Dance Moms’” who talks for the first time about her new show, “Abby’s Ultimate Dance Competition” to the cast of “Gold Rush,” and “Long Island Medium’s” Theresa Caputo, fans will hear exactly what happens behind the scenes from the scene-stealers themselves.
Catching up after a busy day here. Thanks readerlady for the candle link, going there now!
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng
Even better, here's the direct link to the candle grouping ReaderLady set up, (subheading 15). I don't know how to link first to the opening page, where it invites you to quiet yourself before entering. So each in your own way, maybe you can also consider slowing your breath and centering your thoughts before clicking the link. :)
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=15
If the book can't be sold the author should just put it on a blog.
Even Kate can't stop him from giving it away. Or other people from copy and pasting it.
Ooops...that should be READERLADY @71 above (sorry).
Oh, and by the way: I was in there for some sushi, an free taste of cheese. Sometimes they have some food that is on sale, but they are more expensive than the regular store. Trader Joes is a little less expensive, I got some pumpkin soup for $1.79, on sale there.
Moi said... 33
I don't think Kate realizes she is lying. I think it's so much a part of who she is that she creates her truths as she goes along.
The truly remarkable thing is how long she's gotten away with it.
I'd like to believe this will be the end of Kate, but she's really, really good at putting her spin on things and coming out sweeling fresh as a rose.
Al's comment about Robert having only collected two bucks in his paypal account is a joke. I donated a heck of a lot more than this morning and will monitor the situation (and my finances) to give more.
Robert has done a lot to vindicate us and we owe him whatever help we can provide. He's truly taking one for the team.
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Are you kidding me? It's not about YOU. You are happy to have been "vindicated?" Wouldn't you rather have been WRONG?
The Daily Mail article mentions the fundraising account. I googled the title of the book, and the Gosselin Book website is the top result! Maybe Robert will get some international donations.
The Daily Mail says the book was pulled from the shelves. What shelves? It's an e book. Another article says it was ripped from "bookstore" shelves. What bookstore?
Well, my copy is still on the shelf-the shelf of my computer desk.
aggiemom09121416 said... 35
So the twins got new iphones...does that mean they upgraded from an old iphone?
And Kate's tweet said she doesn't like to change iphones...bullsh*t! (how many pink iphones has she had?)
I hope the twins google their mom.
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What a warped wish. How will it help them to Google their mom?
As is often the case on this site, the hatred for Kate Gosselin supersedes concern for the children. It's disturbing, to say the least.
Jane: thanks for the info. The pics with the article are taken by Kates favorite pap: CHRIS. Kate must have called him up.
Regarding the Alaska trip. Didn't something happen with Maddy's arm??? I could be wrong.
I really believe something big happened because Kate disappeared for a day or two. Remember when the kids were alone on those field trips and just the care takers and body guards were with them. One of the kids asked something like, Where's mommy? or When is Mommy coming back.
readerlady said... 78
I highly doubt CJ lit that candle. Most likely someone else lit it and put her name in.
Anonymous said... 88
Moi said... 33
I don't think Kate realizes she is lying. I think it's so much a part of who she is that she creates her truths as she goes along.
The truly remarkable thing is how long she's gotten away with it.
I'd like to believe this will be the end of Kate, but she's really, really good at putting her spin on things and coming out sweeling fresh as a rose.
Al's comment about Robert having only collected two bucks in his paypal account is a joke. I donated a heck of a lot more than this morning and will monitor the situation (and my finances) to give more.
Robert has done a lot to vindicate us and we owe him whatever help we can provide. He's truly taking one for the team.
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Are you kidding me? It's not about YOU. You are happy to have been "vindicated?" Wouldn't you rather have been WRONG?
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I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong.
anger issues kate #74 ~ Wow, so that explains why the boys could not get dirty. Sad. And you make a valid point on how some of those free clothes may never have been worn at all. It's always about MONEY to Kate. Money trumps kids in her mind...it appears.
If it's true she drove the way it's been reported with those kids in the car, isn't that reckless endangerment?
Anyone know or suspect that some of the sheep have finally seen the light? I haven't been to the Twitter feed at all today and only briefly yesterday and wondered if anyone is conspicuously absent? I noticed Baby Mama is very quiet, but then she has been for many weeks.
Off Topic: I am watching the dvr of last nights Dr Who. The opening is right up there with the suspense of the last Dalek episode. Dh and I are watching, gonna be good! River! ”With cleavage that could fell an ox at twenty feet”!
Purple skies: I remember countless times Kate having a cow about any of the kids getting dirty, spilling on their clothes, it was unreal. That's what kids do, it's a kid thing. So they get dirty, so the clothes get dirty, that's why you washem. I felt sorry for those kids. The only time, those kids really were allowed to get dirty was the RV trip, and even then, the 8, had a hard time getting dirty. I guess kate has it so drummed into them, that just the thought of getting dirty, they might cry. Or get beaten, for it.
Purple Skies said... 95
anger issues kate #74 ~ Wow, so that explains why the boys could not get dirty. Sad. And you make a valid point on how some of those free clothes may never have been worn at all. It's always about MONEY to Kate. Money trumps kids in her mind...it appears.
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Makes me think of that Coupon Cabin post she did about accepting all hand-me-down sports equipment she could get her hands on, whether her kids needed it or not, in case they'd need it down the road. I'm guessing she'll be selling that too instead of passing it along.
Love of money is the root of all evil, Kate.
Is it just me or are some of the posters here *special*? As in special needs?
Dee3,
Kate writes about her journaling in "I Just Want You to Know." in the last chapter, maybe the last page, she writes that she is glad that no matter how exhusted she was at the end of the day that she sat down with her computer and journaled notes of the day. (I would provide a quote, but can't look for it right now. I did post the actual quote and page from her book on another thread.)
In interviews she did for publicity for IJWYTK, Kate says that she wrote the book from her journal.
As for what she wrote, her early journaling tends to be, 'I really lost it today please Lord help me to be better tomorrow, please help tomorrow to go better, please help the kids to obey me'. I am an adult and a mother, and I do occasionally journal, and if I have a hard day, I write about it. I think this is what Kate was doing. I don't think the journal was solely notes for a book, but a personal journal.
However, she and Beth started writing MB in 2006, so it is possible that after that her journals were more for the book than just personal writings.
As for her documenting the abuse, it's not like she is keeping a list of the times she abuses the kids. It's within the context of her day. Like, 'today was a hard day, the kids got into something, after spanking so and so, another kid got into something else and I really lost it with them.' She writes that she realizes what she is doing and she prays for help to control her temper. The journal writings are more her crying out for help than 'notes on how I abuse my kids'. If that makes sense.
I believe that Kate's early journaling and prayers are truthful. I think she was scared of her anger, her inability to control it, and was trying to get support (she told Jon), but that those around her probably didn't understand the depth of her feelings. Like someone saying "I'm gonna kill him" and we tend to say, oh, they are just blowing off steam...
Plus, if her parents believed in spanking and those at her church believed in spanking, no one would really be there to say no, this is not good. Her disappline actions, I think, got worse and Jon seems to have become uncomfortable with how she handled things but by then she was in control of everything with discovery behind her.
anger issues kate:
This is the shopping list I referred to upthread. Not sure it will format correctly and if it's a mess, please go ahead and remove Admin/mods!
SPOILER ALERT
This is a ‘standard grocery list’ Kate sent to a ‘helper’ via email.
groceries- standard list- weekly list as a guideline
**** Please do inventory before shopping for this list and change numbers of each item as necessary****
*lunch meat- 2 packs natures promise
*cheese sticks/ string cheese- check supply and current desire for them by kids- get two packs organic if needed.
*eggs- three dozen- organic brown- natures promise
*bagels- everything- 6 fresh from bakery (or current favorite flavor of Mady/ Cara *cream cheese- one block of Natures promise if needed
*tubs of yogurt for kids- 4 tubs of Stonyfield farms lowfat vanilla or vanilla or fat free vanilla (any combination of flavor) * bread- natures promise 100% whole grain- 3 loaves
* milk- CHEAPEST fat free organic milk-6 half gallons (can get a combination of fat free, 1%, and 2% to make a total of six)
*crackers- a combination of organic 'ritz' crackers, and other types of crackers - get items that are ON SALE- total of four boxes
* cookies- organic cookies that are ON SALE that the kids like- 3 packs
*chips/ pretzels- organic/ natural pretzels and chips that are ON SALE!- total of four bags
*fruit- apples- one bag if needed, bananas- 2 bunches, pears- 10-12 total, other seasonal organic fruit
* veges- natures promise baby carrots, organic cucumbers, organic celery, organic zucchini etc.- total of a few of each to cut up for kids
* mac and cheese- 6 boxes ORANGE cheese natures promise mac and cheese- if needed (check cabinet)
* frozen veges (broccoli, mixed veges, green beans)- check all freezers for need- one bag of each if needed
* cereal- check need- get a total of six boxes of organic cereal that is ON SALE ( none if not on sale)
please add: one box of earthbound farms baby romaine salad, two pack of cucumbers, three organic tomatoes, stonyfield farms fat free vanilla 6 oz yogurts (if none left at home, get 10.
If some at home, make it total 10 altogether please.
check feta cheese supply, check blue diamond smoked almond supply, bottled water supply, check bare naked granola and Cascadian farms multi grain squares, Barbaras shredded spoonfuls and the other square cereal by Barbara (can't think of the name!)
Please get a bag of granola and a box of cereal if necessary.
And, check other items we may be running low on (once you open the last of something, it should go on the list immediately).
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Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 13367-13372). . Kindle Edition.
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Joyinvirgina: this is the Doctor, he does not get moved by that. If you had ever saw any of the earlier DW, before 9, they never explored any of the sexual part of the Doctor like: the Doctor being kissed, or kissing a girl/woman. or even hugging, there was very little of that before 8. I loved the fact that when DW was brought back they decided to explore that. I remember they made a big thing out of 8, the DW movie, fans dismissed it as American made movie, and not part of the DW universe, but the powers be, made the movie as part of the DW, universe, and add the movie Doctor known as 8. Fans did not like that. The other 2 DW movies that came out in the 60's they write them off. Peter crushing did not make the grade.
I used to be on Kate's side. Even though I don't like kids being on reality shows. But somebody told me she was forced to go on tv to pay the doctor bills. And care for the children, because only rich people could afford 8.
After a while though, her personality began to show. Editing can show out of context. And take away. But it can't make the person say or do things out of air.
Greed also began to show. She didn't make the $ she needed and return to her private life. Or her nursing career.
By then she thought of herself as a star!
Now I just feel sorry for the kids. I wish she'd let them be adopted into loving homes. There are so many good non violent people who want kids so bad!
"The fans know who you are and know your heart is pure."
ENABLERS.
Joy, who's your favourite Doctor of all time? Mine is the 10th.
It was a vicious cycle. She had the tups to get attention, and special treatment, but became overwhelmed with caring for the tups (I mean, really, 6 2 yr olds would be a lot). Then she got the show and seems to have been the representative for the family for all decisions (control freak!) which was a lot to deal with, and causes her to become overwhelmed with all she has on her plate. She's constantly trying to juggle and control everything and she can not handle it so she took it out on the kids. (maybe still does)
She is constantly asking Discovery to make things easier on her at home because what she really was interested in doing was handling the marketing/product placement/give me more freebies.
Somewhere she seems to have become displaced with her life. In one email she says 'maybe this is more than just being "Kate" on jon and kate plus 8, but...and if I'm overstepping, ok' (not a direct quote), but she talks as if she is an actress on a tv show.
Jon said something to this effect too on the show, like, he can't just be Jon, he has to be Jon and Kate plus 8.
It bothered him, but didn't bother Kate at all because she was in control, was getting all the attention, and her identity becomes wrapped up in this "business" person making all these deals (for pruduct placement, etc.)
Instead of help with the house, the cooking, the childcare, what Kate really needed was coaching in how to parent. How to handle 2 yr old's conflicts, how to disappline, how to handle stress. Instead she hooked up with Discovery who wanted her to act like a wonderful mom while not really doing any of the mothering.
Anonymous said... 90
What a warped wish. How will it help them to Google their mom?
As is often the case on this site, the hatred for Kate Gosselin supersedes concern for the children. It's disturbing, to say the least.
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Well this isn't exactly the Kate Gosselin Fan Club here. Don't kid yourself, those girls have googled their mom. Kate's the stupid one if she thinks they haven't been near the internet. They might be glad she's getting outed... and that doesn't mean they don't love her either. They've probably been hoping she'll get help and this might the only way that beast will get it.
Jane: that is something. I guess now, she does not buy bread anymore, or eggs.
The pictures on the Daily Mail (UK) site speak volumes.
I can just picture what went on:
Kate is panicking
JMC tells her to go take the girls out (Jon must have the tups) and buy them something, anything.
There is NO love in those pictures. Kate looks disheveled, the girls look like they didn't plan for this outing and perhaps didn't want to go.
But Kate knew she needed some good publicity shots...so JMC called a pap - any pap - to "JUST SO HAPPEN" upon Kate and the girls shopping at Giant foods and getting new iPhones.
LOAD OF CRAP.
Those girls are having their silence bought.
It's so plain to see, especially now after reading The Book. Every little move is calculated and manipulated to make Kate look like the doting mother; problem is, she loos anything but.
What's Next - thanks for the great suggestion. A lot of charities won't take stuffed animals of any kind. There a battered women's shelter here that maybe could take some of them.
OT: my fave Doctors are 4, 5, 10 & 11(he grows on yea!)
SPOILER
Anyone else read about the divorce? It was controlled COMPLETELY by TLC.
Jon's lawyer was a total patsy, they'd tell him a bunch of shit, just to answer his questions than do whatever they could to make Jon look like a fool.
The divorce was determined by how TLC felt it would play best to garner ratings.
heather
Dear Kate is a witch: TY for sharing your own story. While I deeply admire those who are praying for & lighting virtual candles for Kate, I cannot join in. I do not believe she will ever change, because she can't. Some gene is missing, or some neural path doesn't connect properly, but she was born missing a vital component that is necessary to be a decent human being. I pray for her children. I pray that Kate does fade into obscurity. She is an empty shell and deserves to be ignored, once those children are safe.
Berk's neighbor: the pap is Kates old friend: Chris, if you look at the bottom of the pic, it tells you who took it. And yes, Kate had the twins and Jon had the tups, she just tweeted.
Oh, and Kate holds the belief that everyone around her does things on purpose to piss her off or intentionally screw up her day.
So, she writes about a 2 yr old who does something like spill beans on the floor or knock over high chairs as intentional behavior to force her to have to clean it up and keep her from making dinner or whatever. This just makes her madder.
She does this with adults too. The fan moment with the woman and the dog who Kate asks to put on a leash and she says no. Kate writes that the woman intentionally caused her all this trouble (getting the little kids out of the van with the dog around and not a leash) and then is annoyed when the woman is like, oh, I saw your show and loved it!
This is a trait of narcissism I think.
It's the "Help them to obey me!!!!! And not get into trouble!!!!! Please Lord, amen!!!!" Bit that says the most about Khate. She's blaming all of her violent, abusive actions on her toddlers. It's her life in a nutshell. The kids just didn't know how to help her.
Is there anything in the book about what kind of a parent she was to M and C before the tups came into the picture?
SPOILER ALERT
"I don't like that he doesn't know how to handle his frustration and anger." Kate of Collin, in her journal 1/2007. OF COURSE HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE HIS FRUSTRATION AND ANGER!! HE'S 2 1/2!! That's what you're supposed to be teaching him!
NJGAL -- No problem. I didn't even catch it until you posted the correction.
I'm off to bed. The limited sleep from last night is catching up with me. GN y'all. (Sorry, I don't mean to sound Kate-ish)
I've published on Kindle and thought you guys might like some info.
- Amazon yanks titles that are questionable. It happens all the time. They will stop the sales and wait until they are certain that the book is legally allowed to be published. It's up to the author to prove that they have a right to publish.
-Robert listed his book as part of the "Kindle Select" program. This means he is not allowed to list it on Smashwords, Barnes and Noble or any other site for 90 days. (assuming that they let him re-list the book)
-Robert will receive 70% of the proceeds for books sold in the US. In other countries it varies and he might only get 35%.
-Robert has access to a report that shows exactly how many downloads (purchases and 'borrows' through Amazon Prime) He'll receive about $6.22 for each purchase and a little more then $2.00 for each borrow.
For those of you that have the book, Robert was kind enough to enable 'lending'- you can lend it out to someone who didn't get the book in time. Go to "Manage My Kindle" and look for the title of this book. On the left side is a pull down menu and you can lend the book for 2 weeks. (I believe you can only lend it once)-- just put in the email address of the person you want to lend it to.
I wish Robert would tell us how many books were downloaded. Robert- if you are reading here and you are not familiar with the dashboard, go here:
https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/reports
I was Googling the Alaska trip and found this from Dec. 13,2010! Priceless!
http://www.celebitchy.com/130834/kate_gosselin_on_camping_with_sarah_palin_why_would_you_pretend_to_be_homeless/
According to the comments no one was fooled either.
EVIL, SHE IS PURE EVIL. I feel sick inside at what she has been allowed to get away with and every living being who has ever been in her life and has been tossed in the trash like yesterday's trash knows -- SHE IS EVIL. How can someone so vile get away with it all.
Imagine a tiny 2 year old being yanked by his hair and thrown in his crib and beat as hard as she could for who knows how long? The total fear he must have felt. How long did he lie there crying from his pain? All alone in a dark room?
I know she is mentally ill, but IMO that does not excuse her for what she did. And she KNEW what she was doing! I wish someone would do the exact same thing to her! She so deserves it.
I so hope something happens to her legally. Lies and tons more lies. greed such as I have never seen. Karma, whatever, come and get her! Stop this devil!
If you love children who would purposely create higher order multiples with all the complications the babies can suffer:
"Long Term Effects of Pre-term Multiple-Birth" study
http://www.nomotc.org/index.php?id=159&option=com_content&task=view
I don't consider that love.
Has Robert said anything about why he didn't include pictures in the book? Did he plan to include any in the hard copy? Would love to see pictures of the dogs outside of the fence with Kate stopped in the road looking back at them.
I kind of agree with Silimom...194 and Kattie's Done...29, that Jon may have been 'off the record' involved with the book. He certainly knew enough not to toss a hard drive out or to leave one behind with anything of his on it with Kate. If the computer/hard drive was tossed out after Jon moved out of the garage apartment, you can bet he knew exactly what was on it. Some of this abuse had to have come out during the divorce but it didn't seem to help Jon much at the time. He was muzzled and Kate and the press have just beaten him down at every turn. As much as he may like to write a true account of his life with Kate, he really can't because of the kids or even legal reasons who knows. But if he happened to say just a little to much to Robert or he left something behind in a trash can for Kate to toss out, well so be it. This information had to come out and shame on everyone else who has kept silent. Jon is still on my shit list but I hope he gets full custody.
I think I will just run over and make a donation now.
Where's Jon, No More Kate said... 121
I was Googling the Alaska trip and found this from Dec. 13,2010! Priceless! But sad for the kids.
http://www.celebitchy.com/130834/kate_gosselin_on_camping_with_sarah_palin_why_would_you_pretend_to_be_homeless/
According to the comments no one was fooled either.
need to add something
remember this, it's a quote at this article from Entertainment Weekly,
[quote] She told the kids they were not going to camp out overnight as planned; they were heading back home. Their little faces fell. They hesitated and expressed little chirps of protest, saying they wanted to stay.
Kate was cruelly decisive:
“Okay, goodbye. You’re now a Palin, not a Gosselin,” she said.
Faced with a camp-out versus a loss of identity, the wee ones followed their mom onto a waiting plane to escape Alaska. Cut to an appalled-seeming Piper, who no longer looked as though she was a fan of Kate’s. Palin and her family remained, and spent the night in tents.[quote]
Anger Issues Kate #99 ~ I remember seeing that from the kids on the RV Trip too. They were stunned & confused watching Kate play in the mud with Jamie's kids. Then I recall how the boys were unable to relax and enjoy their golf day with Jon for fear of getting dirty. It was stressful for Jon seeing his boys that way. I believe the damage has been done to those boys for this reason and a whole lot worse...the abuse inflicted on them by Kate's rages, per her own words in Robert's book.
Shoka the dog is dead? WTF happened? How did she let the dog die? Someone said the dog was dead from a while back? Admin? Anyone?
RIP Shoka
Anita, he said that the lawyer he consulted said it was questionable who owned the pictures so he decided to take them out.
""I don't like that he doesn't know how to handle his frustration and anger." Kate of Collin, in her journal 1/2007. OF COURSE HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE HIS FRUSTRATION AND ANGER!! HE'S 2 1/2!! That's what you're supposed to be teaching him!"
How can she teach him when she doesn't know herself?
Anonymous said... 127
Shoka the dog is dead? WTF happened? How did she let the dog die? Someone said the dog was dead from a while back? Admin? Anyone?
RIP Shoka
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Is this true?
Anonymous at 127 ~ Not positive, but I think that was cruel rumor started by someone following Kate's Twitter feed. People got riled up about it, and after a couple of DM (Direct Message) exchanges, it got dropped as if it were never mentioned.
(That said, and though lots have asked, I don't know that we've gotten confirmation that Shoka actually survived that illness of a few (several?) weeks ago. Kate says he's doing well -- pampered and well-loved, as always. Milo keeps asking for picture confirmation (in lots of creative ways, I must say), but Kate just ignores her. Makes you wonder, no?)
Anonymous said... 127
Shoka the dog is dead? WTF happened? How did she let the dog die? Someone said the dog was dead from a while back? Admin? Anyone?
RIP Shoka
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There is a "hater" who OFTEN tweets stuff to shock the fans, with no thought that what he/she is saying gets out there and might be believed. He/she tweeted to Milo that Shoka starved to death. I think he/she made it up to annoy Milo. I find it thoughtless.
Michelle - That's the way I see it too. Her greed was incredible. I've seen glimpses of that ugly trait from her during the show, and it really stood out in her tweets, and now after reading Robert's book, I am aghast at how severe it really was and still is.
I can't see a single redeeming trait in Kate. All that stands out is evil, greediness, entitlement beyond belief, rudeness, impatience, outright meanness and cruelty to her own children and animals, and on and on the list goes. Worst of all is her lack of nuturing & compassion as a mother. I see none at all.
I'm so sorry. I just learned the the lending was taken away from Robert's book. I apologize for the confusion.
Oops! I'll have to do my candle over again Tuesday. I'm too long winded and ran out of space before I got to help for people suffering with mental illness.
They're not evil. A long time ago people used to believe that, though. That all sickness was caused by evil spirits. Or that it was punishment from a deity or other supernatural being.
Nowadays most people have changed their mind about at least some physical illnesses. But with mental illness you'd be surprised how many people still believe basically the same things about it their 1000 yrs back ancestors did.
Re Shoka, yes it makes me wonder. With the heat if he was closed up in any kind of place without proper water he could have expired.
That was mean to someone to tweet that if it's not true but it is strange that no pictures of Shoka have appeared. The way she reads these blogs and tries to prove everyone wrong.
I hope Shoka was given to Jon. He'll be much happier if... that is if he is still around? :(
All I can say is if that is true about her letting Shoka starve to death there can be cruelty to animal charges filed.
I'm tired and think I'm coming down with something and I'm cranky so forgive the rant.
We have a s*itload of information now in a book about Kate, and still there are a couple of "haters" who don't feel that's enough and have to make up stuff.
AREN'T 38 chapters ENOUGH to prove Kate's a rotten person? Making things up, especially now, makes ALL the "haters" look foolish. DAMN!!!
[quote Anonnymous
On KG twitter account they are busting her out for letting the dog die! They started a page for the dog RIP and said she let it STARVE to death!!!!!! OH my g-d! Please don't let this be true. Crying...For Shoka and the kids now.]
I do not see anything like that on the twitter account.
I'm with you, Tweet-le De! It made me sick to read that rumor and to realize someone would stoop so low. It was wayyyyy over the top, for even the most die-hard of haters.
On the "bright" (??) side, the fact that that it got shut down so quickly proves that we're not the only ones who know the importance of drawing boundaries.
Wow. Kate's abortion lies are all over Twitter. There is no turning back now. It's everywhere. The public is so pissed, her entire life and pregnancy difficulty story was bogus.
Especially me. We were never able to have children. I promised you I would never bring it up but once, here. Well I am! She duped doctors into those treatments, when others might have benefited otherwise. She then made Jon's father and family support her quest financially, physically, and emotionally for multiple-multiples? So sick. I was almost glad I had not yet read the preview last night. My 40 year old blackened heart can't even take Kate's personal accounts of abuse, with everyone she in which she comes into contact. No one is left standing.
Improbable, true, but there are people who seem to miss comments, etc., and it just remains out there. It bugs me when it happens.
I am glad to see that it was stopped and I hope that "hater" realizes you can't just say things that aren't true for shock value. The wrong people believe them.
When I first read it I was so upset. It took me a couple of minutes to realize where it came from and that it's not a proven fact.
A sheeple came on here before posing as a local, saying that Kate had left Shoka outside while they were in Australia. I hope to God this is just shit stirring. Apparently, they can't get their stories straight on how to spin this and they are bleating in confusion.
My copy of the book is still on my laptop so mine wasn't taken away.
A tender sediment from the book to end the night with. Robert said one of the twins (he didn't name which one) is an aspiring and talented poet. He said he once sat with her for a long time while she shared her journal full of poems. He said she seemed so excited for the attention and interest in her works. Bless their little hearts, stay safe little ones.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 140
AREN'T 38 chapters ENOUGH to prove Kate's a rotten person? Making things up, especially now, makes ALL the "haters" look foolish. DAMN!!!
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If, by another miracle, God feels the urge to talk to Kate again to tell her to admit everything in the book is true her sheeple would still not believe it. That's how pathetically deep in denial they are. You can't fix stupid.
In Hoffman's book he states that during the divorce when it was Kate's week she ignored the dogs. They would have to live in their own feces and vomit until Jon returned. Finally, Mady and Cara took over the job.
That could be what someone was referring to in that tweet and they took it to an extreme level. I don't know. I didn't see the tweet.
Kristine 143 -
Gotta love social media! The can of worms is open and there's no going back.
Auntie Ann said...146. Exactly!
People become pen pals with, then fall head over heels in love with incarcerated criminals they've never met. So...sigh. Incomprehensible as it might be to you and me. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibilities that a smattering of sheeple would stick by Kate, even if she confessed to everything in the book. Even if she also admitted to things as yet undisclosed.
I was just reading some of the quotes of things from Robert's book over at RWA and the last ones listed really got to me. Kate spanked these children for just being normal little toddlers.
Things that I would have never even considered spanking mine for. Potty accidents, them taking their clothes off, getting into things like hiney wipes and flushing them down the toilet sitting the orange juice cup on the toilet lid!
These poor children had NO toddler years. They were just babies. It's NORMAL development. This breaks my heart. There is something seriously wrong with this woman, more so than I ever thought before!
As far as the dog info goes, the thing that concerns me is this, didn't RH say there were things he promised not to reveal that we'd hear about in the coming weeks?
I don't remember if Robert promised to tell other things about the dogs. The information the "hater" tweeted isn't confirmed.
Silimom said... 148
Kristine 143 -
"Gotta love social media! The can of worms is open and there's no going back."
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I do love it, Silimom! Social media is what has brought us all here today- and let us read the truth.
What I find most interesting and amusing is, that Radar Online (ROL) initially opened up the can of worms with their exclusive-- back in 2009. The VP now backtracking is hysterical.
'We can't speak of the content contained in the four stories (plus photos of "The Spanker")... which we published earlier this week.'
*See suggested headlines!
When the show 1st started it'd be about them just doing family things. Mabye Discovery thought that was getting boring? Plus every theme park and attraction in USA was offering them free trips.
I didn't begrudge them the trips. But I did notice things like their behavior. When they got a box for a show or something, how they kept walking around, being noisy. And by this time even the sixies were old enough for some home training. Being completely quiet with hands folded's probably too old timey And wasn't a good idea back then. Kids get bored and fidgety.
But the basic ideal of consideration for other people you can teach. That's all manners is. Like keeping your voice down. Amusing yourself with quiet games and activities they can do in their seats.
So on the one hand they were getting all these great experiences and memories that most kids will never have. But not the basic manners training that'd help them in life. That even poorest kids get.
And the show got to where there was no regular home life on it. Just this week the kids go to this place. This week they're off to Whatsherbuttonia, and after that a Broadway play. That's when the show started jumping the shark. But by that time Kate's appeal had soared past the shark, it's mama and cousins.
It didn't seem like they were even having fun on the trips. She acted like she was trying to direct them.
So many of the activities are set up for the KIDS to be in control. And just enjoy themselves organically. But I got the feeling that's 1 of Kate's triggers. She would get such bad anxiety. Probably even a rash, some days. That road trip from hell was the worst though. I think even Discovery got disgusted.
LOL Now I feel like I'm the 1 that wrote the book! And it's time for bed for this author! Thanks for making this blog and letting us vent.
I am glad to see that it was stopped and I hope that "hater" realizes you can't just say things that aren't true for shock value. The wrong people believe them.
When I first read it I was so upset. It took me a couple of minutes to realize where it came from and that it's not a proven fact.
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I get so angry when I read these lies coming from the regular haters. Being local, I know with absolute certainty that many of things they tweet as fact simply aren't true. Sometimes I just want to bang my head on the wall and say, "WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?" and then I figure that in order to bully the sheeple they have to make up facts for shock value.
Kate spanked these children for just being normal little toddlers.
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It's very, very disturbing that she would wake a baby from its sleep because it had pooped its diapers and SPANK her because the poop was all over the place. A sleeping child.
And who leaves 2-year-olds alone in a room and expects them to behave themselves and not to get into anything? Kate thinks a toddler should think rationally? Good grief, she refuses to take responsibility for anything. She'll even blame babies for her freaking laziness. The woman is a sicko.
PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH. Make sure this cycle stops now.
I was going to post other links and warn not to watch do to such painful content but then I found this and though painful, I think it should be watched. Maybe those precious children will remain safe.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH!!!!!
Why do killers speak out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15l9HQgAk4M
What's RWA?
admin said....
I can totally understand wanting to journal your experiences when having sextuplets. What I'm having trouble with is why you would journal abusing them and how much you're worried you'll hurt them?
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I was so struck by the adolescent tone of her journal entries. I remember having a diary when I was around 12. I remember feeling like I was writing to someone--began all of my entries with "Dear Diary...". Maybe she was writing directly to God??? Sort of like a "God Box"--a place where you put notes that describe the things that you want to turn over to God for guidance, as well as expressions of gratitude. Also, maybe the act of admitting her sins functioned as a sort of confession. And, of course, her unending list of requests for material rewards.
To: Appalled By This Wench, Dee3 & Sarah:
I can send you an email & attach the book but Admin will have to confirm for me if it's still okay and how I do it (to keep our email address private).
Al's book has received some sales as a result of this mess. He's got no reason to be complaining. His current ranking on Amazon is MUCH higher than it was before Robert's book was released.
There are so many sad, sad parts. For me, one of the saddest was poor Aaden making a mess on her floor. Keeping in mind he was two, and boys are slower than girls, she still said it had been five days and he should have it by then. What a total freakin' bitch she is. And really, two is young to potty train, at least to me. I wanted to wait until they could understand what was happening and could make that brain connect to catch themselves. Poor, dear, sweet Aaden.
Did anyone else notice she never mentioned punishing Hannah? Hmmmmm.
Where's Jon, No More Kate said... 141
[quote Anonnymous
On KG twitter account they are busting her out for letting the dog die! They started a page for the dog RIP and said she let it STARVE to death!!!!!! OH my g-d! Please don't let this be true. Crying...For Shoka and the kids now.]
I do not see anything like that on the twitter account.
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She deleted it! Fron her twitter. You have to go to the other pages of the twitter people where they are ripping into her. It WAS there. And it was posted by "Hater" first. It said RIP Shoka amd that she starved the dog to death. There are many of you that watch her twitter non stop. There is no way I saw it and some of you didn't. The same poster ask her how Collin's scalp was doing today and how did it get like that?
WTF is going on at that compound?
KAT: the per episode pay from TLC that Jon & Kate earned was a TINY portion of their total income. Add to that the bonuses, speaking fees, other contracts, endorcements, etc. and the amount is staggering. Once KatePlus8 began, her per episode contract changed (I don't believe I saw a figure for this) and of course her yearly income was much larger, too.
As for Shoka and the 'rumor' that it has died. I think they're pulling Milo's leg & trying to force Kate to prove it's living by posting a photo. Milo has begged Kate for a longggg time to tweet a pic and Kate has ignored her. I think they're saying that since Kate won't prove it's still living then the dog must be dead. I suppose the person might have a point, but IMO they're trying to force a pic.
Jennifer said... 158
What's RWA?
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RWA = a Gosselin blog called RealitywithoutApologies. Google will bring it up for you, as will a search for just RWA.
One more comment and then I need to give it a rest for a while, the pain is eating me up inside to think even if might be.
To any Kate fans reading here or anyone with a twitter account, "kindly" pass this on to all her fans. Love Kate unconditionally, not blindly. If you truly love her and she is having a rough time with her temper, take her hand and lead her to help not denial. EVERYONE will win in the end. Most who have secret issues really wish for someone to come and help them through but are afraid people hate them if they knew. You have seen how often she mentions how exhausted she is. Is that a cry for someone with the education in the field of parenting to share their knowledge with her? After all, she is a first time mother of two multiples.
I wont ask you fans to believe what Robert says in his book. I do ask you to watch this and then ask yourself if it's worth it if it is true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=6be4S_ba7n8
I know that some will think this comment is B.S. but "a kind answer turneth away wrath."
People need to worry more about her state of mind now, not just when the kids were 2 years old.
How does this blog get to stay and everything else is pulled asap? Does she like this one the best or something?
Money buys everything. Silence, power, happiness, she got it all. What is that like? Being poor as dirt, I can't imagine what it is like to say "Can we sue" every time someone said something bad about me or wrote something I did not like.
What is it like to have all these attorney;s on speed dial to be at your beckon call? She does have so much power and domes not even have a show or anything in the works?
Even the local police gave here free security and escorts on the tax payers dime. That is unheard of in the city where I live. Even dignitaries and the president have to be scheduled in for escorts. She gets it whenever she calls at a moments notice.
And they let her break all of the traffic laws in the book (according to Robert's book and eye witness count) like speeding, running red lights, stop signs, illegal parking, driving with no head lights with their blessings?
The taxpayers where this happened should be raising hell to the mayor and the governor.
This woman is out of control. She gets people FIRED, gets them in trouble, ruins their lives, and TLC/Discovery stood behind her and the local police too? HUH?
frkofnatr@frkofnatr Guess you didnt hear...Shoka is no longer with us..she let him starve to death, just like she tried to do w/Nala
WE love you Joel@emeraldcityjazz: @frkofnatr RIP Shoka. Kate can't hurt you anymore.
One of the things that shocked me was how cheaply Jon and Kate originally sold out her children's childhoods and privacy. Plus the friends and family members that became collateral damage as well as the exposure of their children to pedophiles.
She was elated when she thought that they would receive $1000/episode for first 20 episodes. She was absolutely ecstatic when they were offered $2000/episode plus "fringe benefits". No grift was too small. What was so insane was that they could have just held out for more money and just paid their own expenses instead of nickel and diming TLC for everything. Don't forget that, when Kate was still pregnant with the tups, Jon lost his job because of grifting on company time.
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frkofnatr@frkofnatr Guess you didnt hear...Shoka is no longer with us..she let him starve to death, just like she tried to do w/Nala
WE love you Joel@emeraldcityjazz: @frkofnatr RIP Shoka. Kate can't hurt you anymore.
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Please stop posting this crap and spreading rumors.
WHAT RUMOR? ITS POSTED ON TWITTER FOR THE WORLD TO SEE. IS THE DOG THERE OR NOT MISS KNOW IT ALL ENOUGH?
WTF already!!! Please tell me Kate is being investigated by CPS and the SPCA. She sounds literally unfit to parent ANYTHING, lf all the accusations are untrue and she's a wonderful mom and pet owner, so be it. But, please, someone with professional knowledge and authority needs to investigate this crazy bitch.
Just because it's posted on twitter doesn't make it so. I agree with Enough @171. Please stop trying to stir things up by posting those rumors here. Now as Kate would say, off to bed with me because 0500 comes awfully early!
The kindle author is wrong.
Robert clearly states he will make 2 dollars a book, right in front of the book.
The Examiner wrote in an article: In fact, Robert Hoffman even admitted to making up fake stories about the Gosselin family when he worked as a freelance reporter in the past just to see “where they would go.”
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Is this true? Has anyone heard about this? Please comment. THanks
I strongly encourage all regular posters to ignore anonymous. The last post, all in caps, shows we're being visited by a most unpleasant & rude person. Ignore.
Kate writes in her journal about preparing to go into the OR for her surgery and she and Jon saying a prayer together, after which time he gave her a kiss.
Aug 4, 2006
"We kissed and Jen came up to me all proud of herself that they got their 'first on camera kiss' today, like it was a milestone!!!!! It was very strange - do we really kiss that little? Apparently so."
Sept. 5, 2006
"I need to spend more time with the boys, Joel and Collin specifically."
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 152
I don't remember if Robert promised to tell other things about the dogs. The information the "hater" tweeted isn't confirmed.
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He referred to this summer as I remember and a few other things. I got the idea that something was going to be looked into. I'm too tired to go back and find it now.
I will say this, IF Shoka is dead, and Colin has something wrong with his scalp and apparently he had a cast on his hand someone better be looking closely at what is going on.
Based on past behavior she has always tweeted about any concerns that were mentioned here and how they're not true by some exceptional thing she had done that day.
I think the fact that there have been no pictures to prove those wrong who say Shoka is not here speak for themselves. I'm not a twitter follower and even I know how many times Milo has asked for a picture. Look at Kate's past behavior. She is always trying to refute what's posted about her. Yet we have heard nothing from her about this?
Of course all of the above is just my opinion but I do not put anything past this woman and hope if it is true there will be an investigation. If it's not true then there's nothing to investigate.
I feel more than ever that those kids must be protected from her at all costs. She is self destructing and I don't want those kids to go with her. I hope they have a safe place to run to if they ever need to leave the house quickly.
Maggie said... 175
The Examiner wrote in an article: In fact, Robert Hoffman even admitted to making up fake stories about the Gosselin family when he worked as a freelance reporter in the past just to see “where they would go.”
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Is this true? Has anyone heard about this? Please comment. THanks
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From my experience The Examiner is worse than the Star and the National Enquirer. Matter of fact the National Enquirer is much more reliable.
Who was my favorite Dr Who? I like them all, but my favorite was Christopher Eccleston along with his companion Rose, Billie Piper. I kinda like the angst ridden Doctor, and I liked him with Rose.
I do adore David Tennant, and just love Matt Smith. But something about Ecclestons rawness and the palpable feeling of alien isolation he brought was just amazing. I didn't like Donna and Martha as companions that much. Love the Amy and Rory companion story.
Blondie, thanks for your posts. I agree with all you have said. Kate is a mess, but doesn't get the help she really needs. I have a background in child and family welfare. Problems are generational. The cycle must be broken. Kate uses outward "things" to make herself feel good rather than working on the inner-self for the sake of her own children. She has received the wrong type of help/attention. She may not even know she doesn't know. I don't like a thing I've seen of her or read about her, but I believe she has never received the help she needed.
Thank you 178.
I'm not reading the book but I was on RWA...and they had a breakdown of what she made over the years per episode....Its no where near what I thought she made...they claimed the last season she was raking in 250,000 an episode when in reality it was 22,500 an epi...did I read that right? If thats true there no way she can survive for a long period of time ...what with legal fees and tuition for kids...somebody stear my right...even with the money for her book...its still not what I thought she was worth...
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According to the book the breakdown is this:
Season 1 $18,000
Season 2 $60,000
Season 3 $180,000
Season 4 $1,102,500
Season 5 $697,500
Her adjusted gross income for 2008 was $1,954,414
She earned $158,000 for K-Mart advertising. SHe earned $500,000 for DWTS. We also know from Robert and this blog she earned a lot from Lane Furniture contract. (Look up amt. on this website for exact amount).
Kate Plus 8 income Robert doesn't say. TV Guide and others states she earned $250,000 per 1 hr. episodes. So JUST for Kate Plus 8 she earned millions. I believe this $250,000 per episode. Jon and Kate already earned TLC (Discovery) hundreds of millions through the years from 2005-2010. So why not pay Kate $250,000 per episode for Kate Plus 8 in 2010-2011.
Plus she earned millions from speaking engagements, magazine covers, Multiple Blessings, Eight Faces, I Just Want You To Know, and possibly MAYBE she earned money from her cookbook from Zondervan that she worked on but was never published. She MAY have been paid money from Health Tex (Walmart) even though it never came to fruition.
Kate is no doubt a multi-millionaire today. She probably has enough money to AT LEAST last her to put her 8 kids through college without working ever again. And I bet she will continue to live in that house AT LEAST until her 8 kids go to college.
To LaLaLandNoMore
Thanks,
I agree and have a background in mental health. I don't think she has ever accepted the real kind of help she probably needs or has sought it out,like counseling. Eventually I suspect we will see her check herself into some kind of rehab center. (I hope so for everyone's sake.)
ALL the danger signs are there. This woman needs serious help and the kids need an escape route.
Anonymous said... 182
Thank you 178.
You're very welcome. ;)
I just wanted to add to my post #183 that Kate got probably hundreds of thousands--if not a million or more--in free vacations, hotels, travel expenses, limo rides, adult & children airfare, bodyguard protection, adult & children clothes, adult & children shoes, spas, nails, tanning, plastic surgery, food, diapers, year of nursing care, cribs, show,game & concert tickets, car seats, house remodel & addition of their 1st home, appliances, kitchen remodel of last home, toys, games, beds, electronics, gasoline, teeth bleaching, teeth veneers, etc.
Probably so much more than I can't list. But you get the idea. All of the above in IN ADDITION to the monies in my post # 183.
Oh and just one more thing before I call it a night. KG KNOWS she's losing control,that makes her desperate and more irrational/dangerous than ever.
At some point if not already she will do more damage to something or someone. Those kids need a safe place and a plan to get out of that house quickly. Maddy and Cara need to understand if they call 911 on the cell phones they need to tell the operator which area the call needs to be directed to.
Those sweet children need prayers and lots of guardian angels.
I don't like to think of myself as a hater. I consider myself an advocate for the children and the truth.If the enablers want to call me a hater then fine I'd expect nothing less from them. But me, I like to think I'm a truther.
I guess it appears I hate Kate,I fight that urge and try to replace it with hope for the truth so she could POSSIBLY get help and the truth so the children will not have to go to bed scared, wake up scared and ride the bus home scared. It's not right. The world is scary enough without coming home and facing a monster.
We all need to get on our knees and pray for all involved here and yes Kate too. I know this prayer is powerful and those children need our prayers.
We all need to get on our knees and pray for all involved here and yes Kate too. I know this prayer is powerful and those children need our prayers.
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oops so sorry guys, I did not mean to force or push my beliefs on anyone here. Let's just say that's what I feel I need to do. So please forgive me if I've offended anyone.
183 maybe, unless she backs off from all these law suits that could cost her over a million dollars. The count for the witness list alone could be over $100,000, plus more for depositions.
Discovery is not joining forces with her. She stands alone on this one. They only care about the company.
She has to pay, the losers don't. Even if she wins, these people don't have any real money to give her. She can garnish and lien, but that won't get her much.
Waste of money KG. Save it for your kids. You loose, even if you win on this one.
One thing is for sure, she maybe needs to drop these people who she thinks are her best friends and advisers.
IMHO From the book: To leave your kids and all the money to one complete stranger, is nuts. Hope she is not being taken for a ride. That is a whole lot of money and investments to be giving to someone you have only known a short while. Would be different if you were married to that person, but alas, you are not and probably never will be.
Why not make Singer or one of the other attorney's your exec KG? No COI that way. Why do you think M Jackson left his attorney's in charge? They have made millions for those kids.
She needs real friends and family. Everyone uses her. E-v-e-r-y-o-n-e. There is no doubt about that.
Singer's Group is prob telling her to shut down twit and go private. She needs to heed real advice, from professionals.
Where's Jon 179 - The Hoffman "quote" was lifted directly from Small Town Gosselins. You can read the original post there that Polly put out explaining what she knew about Robert Hoffman. At the time, very little was known about him and people were trying to figure out his connection to the Gosselin saga.
188 you and I and many others are distraught and confused over someone and 8 children we do not even know on a personal level. There is a 6th sense that something very wrong is going on and needs to be fixed asap.
Prayer is the right thing to ask for and who cares if it offends anyone. It is all most know to do in time of need. That is what most people have been taught to do in time of need, doubt or hurt.
Kate needs prayers just like anyone else. I need prayers, and so do you. I pray for us all tonight. :)
Silimom said... 190
Where's Jon 179 - The Hoffman "quote" was lifted directly from Small Town Gosselins. You can read the original post there that Polly put out explaining what she knew about Robert Hoffman. At the time, very little was known about him and people were trying to figure out his connection to the Gosselin saga.
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Thanks right now anything Polly wrote carries very little weight with me,besides it doesn't really matter. In this situation related to the Gosselin book it's Kate's own words and Kate's actions herself who's speaking volumes to me.
To anon 191
Thanks!
Reference my post #179 Thanks Silimom and others for answering my question about the quote about Hoffman in The Examiner.
This is for Kate is a Witch:
I'm so sorry that you have suffered the same fate as my husband. His NPD mother is exactly like Kate as well, and sadly, your mother also. You described my mother-in-law to perfection and you've never even met her. Your mother could BE my mother-in-law! I, like you, became interested in Kate because she reminded me so much of my MIL. It's scary how alike they are.
I agree that the best thing to do is completely ignore a narcissist. My MIL is no longer a part of any of her children's lives, EXCEPT for her 'golden child' daughter. She has nothing to do with her 3 sons and her 3 sons want nothing to do with her (sound familiar?!?!). Of course her golden child daughter tries to make her brothers feel bad for not having anything to do with their mother, but it no longer works and hasn't for years. They finally cut all ties.
Dealing with a NPD parent is hell on earth. The Gosselin children have been and are living a nightmare. They don't fully realize it yet, but they will someday. Sadly.
I'm so sorry you suffered so much.
-Heather
I hope Admin will let us know when this blog reaches eight million hits.
I must be a slow reader, I'm not through the book yet.
Who guessed? said... 144
Dwindle,
I am sure the emails and journals are Kates. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is the abortion and mental illness claims and other ridiculous claims that come from Robert without any source or documentation.
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Ok, gulp, I kind of agree with you. NOT about the suppositions that you mention above, but about other suppostions that are made in the book. And there is an event Robert chronicles where he helps orchestrate a big of an aisle by aisle chase down of Kate in the toy store. I was pretty uncomfortable reading that; however I am glad he is not posing himself as a saint.
I dont need anyone to tell me she has been diagnosed with a mental illnes, her public behaviors, including what she says in her blogs and on twitter, announce her mental illnesses in a big way.
I dont even really care too much about fleecing church people and twitter teenagers.
I DO care about her ongoing demanding of free products from every company under the sun. These companies make up for these revenue losses by raising their prices on the rest of us. So that annoys me.
What I DO care about is what she did to her husband, and most importantly they physical and verbal abuse of her children. Now we know why little Collin spent all those months hiding his face from photographers - because when he made eye contact with them she slapped his face. He isnt afraid of the paps, he is afraid of where his little eyes will look and he will get slapped and mashed in his face for it.
So that is what bugs me: Her finacial fraud against the children's father, and her physical and emotional abuse, and neglect of her kids. There rest of it is pretty much "AHA! i KNEW it!" for me.
Moi said... 196
I hope Admin will let us know when this blog reaches eight million hits.
I must be a slow reader, I'm not through the book yet.
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Right there with ya, i am only at 60%. It's just too much kate to take in big doses. Honest to heaven, I feel mean and dirty when I put the darned kindle down and I totally need a break.
I got up extra early this morning to make HunnyBunny's coffee and a nice breakfast and pack a lunch! So what do I get for extra kindness? "UhOh, you've been reading about that woman again, havent you?" LOL! everything about kate makes me want to be extra nice in rebellion!
SPOILER (I think)
"Last night as Jon and l were having a discussion in the garage (important marrige issues that need to be cleard up!) Cara and Mady came running out to tell us that it sounded as if someone had fallen out of bed...we looked at each other and decided that it was probably Alexis - as - usual and Jon made the decision to send up the girls to check on her and help her back to bed...we would be right in. About ten minutes later, we came in and couldn't find the girls and eventaully found them coming out of the little kids room. When they came out, they told us it was leah and she had 'a lot of snot in her hair'. We thought she had thrown up so Jon grabbed a flashlight and went in and all but screamed when he saw that it was blood everywhere!!!!!
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Did you catch the part that it took Jon and Kate TEN MINUTES to go upstairs to see what the loud noise was that their twins came downstairs alarming them about in the middle of the night. TEN MINUTES!!! And then they sent the twins back upstairs to investigate the noise and put the supposed child back in their bed.
Jon and Kate had no idea what the noise was. It easily could have been someone breaking into the tups' windows and snatching one of them. What lazy half-assed parenting. Why didn't they have a monitor with them in the garage?
For those of you that have the book, Robert was kind enough to enable 'lending'- you can lend it out to someone who didn't get the book in time. Go to "Manage My Kindle" and look for the title of this book. On the left side is a pull down menu and you can lend the book for 2 weeks. (I believe you can only lend it once)-- just put in the email address of the person you want to lend it to.
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Thanks for that info. I will lend mine after I finish the last two chapters. For now, I have turned off wifi to prevent them from retracting the book.
What bothers me the most (even before the book) is the legacy that J&K have left their children. A history of record breaking tabloid covers in 2009 during their divorce of both of their parents horrible behaviors. Instead of closing down the show after season 4 when Jon wanted to (he said it on tape in season 3), season 5 continued when they knew divorce was inevitable. And TLC very heavily promoted (with Kate's approval) all the divorce ugliness during season 5. I think Kate is very proud that they had 10 million viewers when they announced their divorce. How terrible for all of that to have been recorded for their 8 children. It should have NEVER happened.
And all the interviews Kate gave during that time to People and The Today Show. Plus all the other TV shows that would have her so she could bash their father harder and harder. We are talking about a 3 year period from 2009 - 2011.
What is it going to do to their kids when they read about both parents behaviors during their separation and after their divorce. How embarrassing for them to have it spelled out bit by bit for the entire world to view and read about.
Correction: Post #1
Should have read that (he said it on tape in season 4).
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 158
Is there such a thing as paranoid bi-polar? I'm asking this seriously. I know there's paranoid-schizoid.
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Yes, I know someone I'll call Robin who was diagnosed bipolar, with paranoia, and "a personality disorder--other." It was a complicated diagnosis and took years of therapy while in a mental hospital to achieve. During this time, the doctors were constantly trying different "brews" of various medications to control it. Finally (after more years) they found the right mix.
The explanation doctors gave Robin for the "personality disorder--other" was that it didn't fit any of the known categories (like NPD or borderline), but it clearly existed. (Apparently there's a list of categories for personality disorders and the last one simply says "Other.")
Large doses of psychiatric medicine now give this otherwise sweet, intelligent woman a normal life. Without medicine, she's violent, suicidal, unreasonable, and dangerous. Being helpless was no deterrent to her behavior and rages.
So if you overlay it, Kate and Robin both have (let's say) bipolar and paranoia. They also each have a personality disorder as well--Kate's would be NPD and Robin's "other."
Without knowing Robin's situation personally, I would never have guessed a person could suffer from multiple mental issues.
And to be clear, I'm not diagnosing Kate. I'm just saying she SEEMS to be narcissistic, it sounds like she's paranoid, and we hear that she has a bipolar diagnosis. And Robin's diagnosis I know to be fact.
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