Are you there God? It's me, Kate.
We will do a “book club” style discussion of a few chapters at a time as we read the book together. You are free to read with the group or skip ahead. You are also free to discuss whatever you like, however if you want to partake in the book club discussion, this thread is here to discuss the designated chapters. Robert Hoffman’s book “Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World” is available on Amazon for Kindle. The Kindle app is free for multiple platforms, including PCs.
5. Bad Blog
Kate obsessively reads what is said about her on the internet, from Google news alert to the Gosselin blogs. Undeniably the first online presence to ever call Kate out was the Reading Eagle, a small but respected local newspaper. Staff member Dana Hoffman kept a blog on the site detailing Kate's misdeeds. Kate's people eventually called up the Reading Eagle and asked them to shut down her blog. Within hours the paper removed it from the site. Kate keeps files on her computer with information from blogs and even on their moderators. The file folder for Dana's blog was entitled "Bad Blog."
In January 2008, Kate also asked Discovery to remove Television Without Pity's Jon and Kate forum (which in fact was closed eventually, in June 2008), and the Discovery Health Channel forum.
Kate's house is in a rural neighborhood and surrounded by farmland. She once drove the kids three hours to Maryland to trick-or-treat in her bodyguard Steve's neighborhood.
When Jodi and Kevin spoke publicly about what they saw, Kate fired off an email to Discovery with her three favorite words: "Can we sue?"
According to a member of Kate's family, Kate has been diagnosed with bi-polar, but refuses to take medication.
Hoffman once observed Kate with the kids when she was having a very stable, happy day. She and the nanny, Judy, took the sextuplets to get donuts, later they went to the park and spent a long time there, then met up with another mother and her daughter for a play date back at the house. Hoffman also observed her chatting up and flirting with a park employee.
7. Kate's God Complex
“I asked her how that works as far as our rate going up from Disc Health network and the ‘fringe benefits’ as I call them…. She said that the amount we are paid per show will not take away from what they (AMP) will provide for us. She used the examples of the kids beds… she said those things come out of their (AMP) budget from the network. So that is almost mind boggling to me we will be paid for each episode and receive fringe benefits!!!!! Lord, how great thou art!!!!!”
Kate felt God was "urging" her to quit her nursing job.
Kate said that if Discovery wasn't going to pay for the beds she wasn't going to allow them to film the episode about beds. Jen (producer Jen Stocks) was annoyed by this.
As for Jon, Kate wrote: “I pray that his complacency would leave him and would turn into passion for the Lord! Lord PLEASE help Jon to desire these things!!!!!! Help him to become a man of integrity!!!!! Lord please!!!!! He could be the perfect man if he could get these things under control and let God take control!!!!!”
Alexia foods sent four cases of fries. Other food was sent by others or offered at reduced prices. Fans, friends and family sent gift cards and cash, including $250 from Kate's parents, and Kate attributed it all to God.
Kate writes this about the children: “Lord I am begging you to help me be a loving caring kind and slow to anger mommy. Please stop me somehow from hurting my kids and help me to be slow to anger!!!! I love them SOOO much. Help them to obey me!!!!! And not get into trouble!!!!! Please Lord, amen!!!!”
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I started keeping hand-written journals in high school, through my druggie slutty twenties and recovery/sobreity in my early thirties. It was only then I got married and had children.
Managed to keep them from my husbdand but after we divorced and I was alone with 2 kids who could now read, I personally destroyed each and every page. It was a great feeling.
I never really journalled online because unless you are your own technician, nothing is private.
Dwindle #797 -
I totally agree!!
Ok, very quick here - as I trying to get out the door for work.
I doubt the rumours about Shoka are true but IF they were, that might be the only thing that would turn Milo against kHatie.
I think I am up to chapter 21 in the book. So much to process!
Sure to have to wonder about the dog situation. I agree, that based on her prior history of addressing rumors from here and other places, I fully expect to see a PROVABLE NEW PHOTO of the dog.
Like someone above jokingly said, a picture of the dog with today's newspaper would do.
Remember when there was talk about she and Jamie sleeping together, and the next thing you know there she is addressing it on the show (no less!), talking about her and Jamie sharing a bed.
So Kate, how about it? Prove that you still have Shoka.
And no, a blog written by the dog isn't going to cut it this time.
I really want to see a picture of today's newspaper with the dog, clearly at your house.
How about a pic of you, the dog, and Marty Singer with your latest letter to gosselinbook, standing in your front doorway?
And don't try substituting another dog either.
Can Paul Peterson help Robert?
I think that it is Kate's plan to harass Robert with her expensive attorneys hoping that he goes away. It's amazing that somebody with money in this country can cover up whatever they want.
I would have much preferred Robert have published his book through more conventional means with the full backing and monetary might of a publisher, even it it took more time. The e-publishing has made him vunerable, but I totally believe what he wrote. He followed her for years, he has her own journal, and I am sure Jon confided in him.
Is there any attorney out there that can help Robert pro bono? Isn't there a pro bono attorney association? Robert is a whistle blower and he deserves some protection from the ilk of Kate Gosselin.
I am so distressed by the book and her continued tweeting of farts and rainbows, like everything is normal. She must be drinking her coffee this a.m. all smug that she shut down the book. I hope that her smugness is wiped off her plastic face very soon.
Like someone above jokingly said, a picture of the dog with today's newspaper would do.
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hahahha,thanks for the laugh....Kate with a newspaper,lololol....
As for the dog? Maybe Jon has him now.
Kate could post an old pic of the dog..
Bearswife said... 7
I doubt the rumours about Shoka are true but IF they were, that might be the only thing that would turn Milo against kHatie.
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Ooh, you're RIGHT! Milo is a huge animal lover. She's always after Kate to talk about Shoka because Milo seems to think she and Kate have being animal lovers in common. ("It is to laugh," as Bugs Bunny would say.)
I also believe Milo thinks Kate displaying her affection for Shoka would go a long way to rehabbing Kate's image. It helps Milo keep that nice, idealized image of happy, loving Kate; six beautiful well-adjusted, loved kids; and the contented family dog. Um, all evidence is to the contrary.
I missed it. How did the Shoka rumors start?
BTW, I JUST KNEW that she had someone doing the grocery shopping. Hey, I had two kids and I know how much I bought per week. There very few pap photos of her with many groceries. Not surprised about the catered food either, but at least on those occasions I hope the kids are getting a fair share of food.
I never, ever believed she was organized. Her fiance said she was a slob and was lazy. Thanks Robert, I thought she was trying to be like Martha Stewart too. The difference is that Martha has brains.
Kate could post an old pic of the dog..
Thus the request for today's newspaper. :-)
Ok, how about this week's tabloid with the pic of child abuser Kate on thr front cover?
These babies were born in 2004. On 9/5/2006 she wrote "I was absolutely awful to Collin who was awful to me. He does things just to irritate me. I told him at one point to sit in the corner (one of a million times) and he disregarded me and threw the one gate on the floor. I am too rough with him and the girls see that.
TWO YEARS OLD!!
I hope he got the message- I can't be sure though with his glazy look in his eyes when I talk.
Oh. My. God.
aggiemom09121416 said... 10
Like someone above jokingly said, a picture of the dog with today's newspaper would do.
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hahahha,thanks for the laugh....Kate with a newspaper,lololol....
As for the dog? Maybe Jon has him now.
Kate could post an old pic of the dog..
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Shoka reads the newspaper? Well, I had a German Shepherd and they are pretty smart, so maybe he can teach Kate how.
Or maybe Shoka could teach Kate a little song and dance number to "If I only had a brain".
No one will be sending the cart boys out to the parkinglot to retrieve "The Shokas" like they send them out to retrieve "The Kate Gosselins" at the grocery store. hehe
So not a word from Kate about her upcoming appearance on Katie Couric's show? Why would she not want her "fans" to know? You would think Julie May Carson would be advising Kate on how to self-promote, with Twitter being the most obvious means.
As others have noted, this is so weird.
Oops, I mean *8* beautiful, well-adjusted, loved kids. HOW could I mistake "6" for "8" after all Kate's harping on it??
When I say all evidence is to the contrary, I mean of course the kid are beautiful, but Milo thinks the kids ADORE their mom. She would never believe they're probably afraid of her. The crying van scene comes to mind. Even that couldn't convince Milo that something was amiss. Something big.
I don't know what is true about Shoka, but if you mistreat children, mistreating a dog makes sense. She has no empathy for the defenseless. Very scary person. She has Shoka for the narrative that all kids should have a family dog. LIE.
New Radaronline article, some highlights:
“I personally contacted Child Protection Services (sic) twice in 2010 when I found the journal,” Hoffman wrote in response to questions sent to him by Radar’s founder and Managing Editor David Perel. “I sent them copies of what I had and they told me they would look into it and that's the last I heard. I've tried to talk to Kate several times in 2010 but she wouldn't acknowledge my existence.”
In his book, Hoffman claims to have spoken to hundreds of people, and he told Radar in the email interview: “My sources include former crew members who witnessed” the alleged behavior toward the children that caused him to call authorities.
He worked as a freelance reporter for Us Weekly during the height of Jon and Kate Plus 8 fever, and while his e-book is a deadly dull read, if the personal journal of Kate is genuine, it contains damning and shocking admissions regarding her parenting.
Radar has not independently verified the journal is genuine.
Hoffman says in the book that Jon Gosselin is his good friend, but he did not answer Radar’s direct question about when Jon learned he had obtained possession of the computer material and Kate’s journal.
The book contains about ten percent of what was found in the computer files. There is so much more that hasn't been revealed. I also have physical and photographic evidence to back up my claims in the book.”
Maybe Kates not promoting her appearance on "Katie" because she called Kate out on a couple of things and shes not happy with the interview....or maybe shes not sure if they will pull it or not....just speculating..or maybe I'm completely wrong!!
Remember a little bit ago when ROL had a story that never made much sense, about Jon saying that he could go to jail for not paying child support?
The story wasn't coherent, they didn't source it, and they didn't appear to have a direct quote.
And Jon responded on twitter, saying just wait. It will make sense when things come out.
We were thinking that he meant when things came out about child support.
But I bet he meant when things come out in the book.
My theory on this is that ROL had already seen the gosselinbook. And THAT is what they were referring to.
Either an attempt to discredit Jon, or Robert, or both, or somebody misread what the book said. It was a threat/quote from KATE, not JON.
Sounds like ROL was setting up Jon to look stupid.
Or maybe ROL was burned by Kate giving them this story, knowing full well it wasn't true.
My take is ROL is out to get Jon. Wonder who pays them off....Kate? TLC? Marty Singer?
I'm having trouble keeping up with all the comments. I also procrastinated too long in getting RH's book so I'm appreciative of the spoilers that are revealed here.
I didn't rush to get the book as I am cautious about people's motives in writing about the Gosselins. I didn't read AW's book after comments about the language (one of my pet peeves) and the shoddy writing. I don't regret not reading it.
I didn't read Polly's book either as I got the feeling that she was just trying to edge herself into the ray of sunshine that was shining on the G family at that time.
So thanks to all of you who have endured all the pain and horror of reading it and sharing it with the rest of us.
The ROL thing is very interesting. Why would the VP and founder have the time or inclination to interview RH and write the articules for the site? Unless someone asked him too? Like Kate?
For those who were talking about the Examiner:
The Examiner is NOT a newspaper, it is not a media company it is NOT written by professionals. You do not have to be a writer, journalist or reporter to write for the Examiner.
Think of it like a "Facebook" blog site. Anyone can sign up for a page, and anyone can write whatever they want. There are no fact checkers or editors involved. People make pennies for their articles based on advertising hits.
heather
Mel, I find it interesting that TMZ's top story today is about "Honey, Boo Boo". I would not be surprised that TMZ, Radar, etc. play both sides of the fence when it comes to celebrity leaks. Obviously, Robert was hinting at a TMZ coverup and since there isn't a peep from them regarding the book, they are in TLC's pocket.
And, I doubt "People" will run anything either. As I believe Julie May (?) said in the book, "People" has been good to them. Oh, I did find it interesting that Robert said "People" does not pay for interviews, but they do for photos, so Kate's multiple appearances in "People" got her mo' money.
Robert Hoffman didn't spend his time making up stories about the Gosselins. He fed one story to Al off the record to see if he could trust him. It was about Jon getting drunk & letting out the chickens late at night. Sure enough, Polly proudly wrote it as fact, citing her sources.He made a fool of Al & Polly & they despise him for all his hard work getting the real story.
I used comment on Polly's blog, and I figured since she lived close by, she was a good source. I know that Al is pissed because Robert did not do a book deal with him and don't really know what Polly's problem is. I thought she was all about protecting the kids. Maybe she is pissed because Robert ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING and Polly, the counselor, did NOTHING.
I woke from a deep sleep, and came here to correct something I told Dee and I think it was Sharon. I quoted Robert saying
''Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman when ordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging."
I now realize that I'd not really absorbed the fact that Robert had been picking up Kate's garbage for YEARS! In my mind, finding that HCG packaging was lumped with all the other stuff he found later....the journals, emails and so on.
He talks about getting her Christmas trash on different years....and so on.
It all makes more sense to me now....and probably to Dee and Sharon too! The ultimate treasure trove was when he found whatever it was that had the journal and documents.
By the way, Dwindle, I want one of your I Read Banned Books button!!
@Catherine, I think you've hit the nail with regards to Al/Polly. If they are upset with Robert, well, that's on them and I don't care. What I am disgusted over is that they care more about their vendetta with Robert than the fact that the Gosselin children were/are being abused by their mother. That tells me a lot about Al/Polly character and it's not good.
It continues to astound and disgust me that the abuse is not the focus of the discussion of the book (outside of this blog).
*** SPOILER *** School Expulsion
10/ 22/ 10
To: Kate Gosselin
From: xxxxxx
Subj: Tuition Refund
As a result of the separation from school for Alexis & Collin, at the request of the school, effective 10/ 22/ 10, the following prorated tuition refund will be processed next week: $ 3,856.27 for each child. Enclosed is a statement for one on one support thru 10/ 8/ 10. A final invoice for support will be forthcoming soon.
One of the expelled Gosselin kids physically harmed an adult at the school TWO TIMES, creating a situation that caused school administrators to believe they had no choice but to remove that child from school. The nature and extent of the adult's injuries are not known, but the situation was severe enough that it contributed heavily to the school's decision to expel the children. Both of the Gosselin children were abusive to other children in the school, creating an untenable situation. Both Jon and Kate were sent a letter from the head of school explaining that despite their best efforts, staff had reached a point at which they had to request the children enroll in another program.
How Kate spins this on Twitter:
DeeDeeMarieAnn @Kateplusmy8 How r u handling the problem with the kids getting expelled from school? I cant believe a school would to that to 8 ur. Olds
@DeeDeeMarieAnn not sure what ur talking about. I have no kids who have been expelled& no 8 ur olds at all. Sure this was for me? :)
queenieBK hey @kateplusmy8, weren't two of your kids expelled from school for bullying? #appledoesntfalltoofarfromthetree #plasticsurgeryhypocrite
@queenieBK nope. Don't believe rumors! Thanks for asking so I could clear it up! Xo
4.16.12 UPDATE 2012: The situation is even worse than I can put into writing here. I’ve learned some new details about the expulsion of the Gosselin children and their interactions or lack of interactions with certain school employees as well as Kate’s treatment of them at home over the summer. I believe this information will come out soon after this book is published by the people who should be dealing with the situation. This is one part of the story that I can’t put into words, because I gave my word that I wouldn’t.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 13743-13751). . Kindle Edition.
Oh yes, years and years of trash. And once you put your trash on the curb, is is not protected by the 4th Admendment. FBI does it. Don't need a search warrant.
I just don't understand why Kate can go on twitter and deny her kids were expelled from school when in fact they were, she can deny all other sorts of things when asked but total silence on this abuse allegation. I was always of the belief that truly innocent people speak up about their innocence because they have nothing to lose. Only if one is guilty will they keep quiet. Kate is not on trial here for anything so I don't understand her silence on this issue. If it were me I would be screaming from the rooftops my innocence. She will go on twitter and deny the most mundane of things, but when someone accuses her of one of the most socially unacceptable behaviors, there is total silence. To me that speaks volumes. I know her sheep will say it's because her attorney told her to keep quiet, but if she is truly innocent what is there to lose. Her silence speaks volumes to me.
Khate's tweet this morning (it is 9:00am east coast) Good morning! Drinking coffee...doing laundry and paying bills! Same old, same old here! Love being home doing normal stuff:)! 14 minutes ago
Khate - you are not NORMAL. Don't kid yourself.
Remona Blue #28 and TLC stinks #31 - my take on the trash...what I retained from reading the book was that Robert picked up the day after Jon got thrown out, and this most recent Christmas (with the newspaper wrappings). I was thinking the HCG packaging/invoice got thrown out with the batch of EVERYTHING JON TOUCHED...not sure if J or K had held on to the packaging.
So before the kids were "separated from the school" they had already had one on one aids. It sounds like the school tried to work with the kids best they could but J and/or K were not interested enough to cooperate and get help. Also does RH mean treatment of the kids before or after the expulsiion? They were only two months into the school year!
Terri said... 32
I just don't understand why Kate can go on twitter and deny her kids were expelled from school when in fact they were
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She denies the expulsion because that's not the term the school uses. They call it 'separation'. Therefore, by Kate's logic, they weren't really expelled. I know, I know .. you say tomato I say tomahto. Kate thinks she's telling the truth and as seen in the book, she does this often both in real life and on Twitter.
What's interesting is that, according to RH, there's more to come on the school 'separation.'
koop dedoo said... 33
''...what I retained from reading the book was that Robert picked up the day after Jon got thrown out, and this most recent Christmas (with the newspaper wrappings). I was thinking the HCG packaging/invoice got thrown out with the batch of EVERYTHING JON TOUCHED...not sure if J or K had held on to the packaging''
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That's what I originally thought, but now I believe that Robert found the packaging and receipt MUCH earlier. After all, he's talking about when Kate was trying to get pregnant w/the multiples. She didn't want Jon to know that she was doing the sneaky thing in order to get HOMs, so why would she hang on to the packaging and receipt? Then again, who knows? We're trying to apply logic to something that involves Kate!! !!!!!!
There is a guy who drives around town with a pickup truck here on trash days and takes things that are not in garbage cans. He even took a broken mop handle I put out. My dvr died this weekend and I an going to put it out even tho they don't like to take electronics because I know he'll take it.
I'm currently on Chapter 17 "I Want my Fake TV" which is 46% of the way through the book (loc. 16939). I just came across something interesting:
SPOILER
In an email called "ep ideas for April" Kate stated:
"hi all-
I would love to add the trainer ep (Kate weight training) at the end of the month (can't weight train following surgery til April 30), building the dog house (to go with wireless fence training)...crooked house installation..."
She put it right there in writing...SURGERY. These episodes all took place in 2009. So now we have an aproximate date of her boob job (April '09) confirmed!
I had to laugh when I saw the tweets from MsGoody2Shoes21 that RH included in one part of the book. RH says "This hateful lunatic is one of Kate’s biggest supporters and Kate loves having her as a friend… for obvious reasons. Kate doesn’t have to bash Jon when she’s got friends like this." He includes 30+ or so tweets bashing Jon and sucking up to Kate, along w/ Kate's responses, that were posted just in one day. When seen in context of the book and running consecutively, it's frightening to see the pure hate.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 14011-14014). . Kindle Edition.
Dreams, readerlady, Jane & others: Thanks for the candle site. Heading there this AM.
What is the latest on Shoka? Did something happen beyond what was in the book and his latest news?
Ironic he is named after someone they met at the sham vow renewal.
Well, I for one, do keep some old receipts as reference. No telling how Kate's brain works.
My gut feeling is that Jon found that reeipt or packaging, kept it with his stuff, and when she threw out everything he had ever touched, out it went in the trash without her realizing it. Robert says he has it, there must a date on it, so he put two and two together (unless Jon told him). I believe Robert. Yes, for us normal people, it would not make sense to hang on to that receipt, particularly if you are being sneaky, but maybe Jon suspected something early on. But what could he do? She was pregnant with his kids.
I saw this on RWA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQnsdA0dC0s
It's a music video, thought it was funny.
heather
@Kateplusmy8 Good morning! Drinking coffee...doing laundry and paying bills! Same old, same old here! Love being home doing normal stuff:)!
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In other words: "Nothing to see here...move along."
It'd be funny if she (and the situation weren't so horrifically off-kilter.
Heather 42 said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQnsdA0dC0s
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lol! thanks, that's hilarious..
:)
Catherine said... 26
Robert Hoffman didn't spend his time making up stories about the Gosselins. He fed one story to Al off the record to see if he could trust him. It was about Jon getting drunk & letting out the chickens late at night. Sure enough, Polly proudly wrote it as fact, citing her sources.He made a fool of Al & Polly & they despise him for all his hard work getting the real story.
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How do you know this?
Drinking coffee...doing laundry and paying bills!
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Sounds like she's paying her weekend atty fees out of the kids' trust fund,lolol.
You KNOW she won't pay that with her OWN money!
Whatever sliver of hope she had for a media career is gone after the release of this book.
Mainstream endorsements are also out.
What can she promote? hmm, let's see...
1. Companies that will come to your house and hide Easter eggs on the down-low
2.trash companies?
3.paper shredders
4.computer companies that wipe hard drives.
5.wooden spoons
6.journal manufacturers
7.newspaper offices that will sell end rolls for christmas wrapping
8.new year's resolutions web sites!
9.tax evasion how-to
10 ?
TLC stinks said... 41
''My gut feeling is that Jon found that reeipt or packaging, kept it with his stuff, and when she threw out everything he had ever touched, out it went in the trash without her realizing it.''
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Ok, now you've about convinced me that I was right the first time!! Jon finding the receipt/packaging, and keeping with his stuff sounds like the ''neat freak'' Robert said Jon is. I also believe Robert when he says that he has the original packaging and the receipt.
The more we discuss this, the more I hope you're right. It would be so ironic that Kate kicking Jon out, and her rage in throwing away his 'stuff' is the final thing that finally exposed her behavior!!
Lousy that the kids can't have friends over, like for a birthday party, unless the parents sign CA's. I bet every person who has had any contact with Kate has to sign a CA. Talk about being able to do what you want with NO REPERCUSSIONS.
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ebook-readers/how-to-back-up-kindle-purchases-on-your-pc-or-mac-50004722/
I trust cnet. Here is how to back up your kindle books to your PC.
CLASSIC!
@Kateplusmy8 Good morning! Drinking coffee...doing laundry and paying bills! Same old, same old here! Love being home doing normal stuff:)!
@XXXXX I'll be more than happy 2 send u some of mine 2 pay since it make you so happy! LOL
@kateplusmy8 perspective:Im happy 2pay them Bc Ive been in situation that I couldn't. C why it makes me happy?:) nvr thought of that did u?;)
@XXXXX Kate u mean when u went on tv crying you had no money for bills, all the while sitting on a small fortune. You are a disgrace
@XXXX @Kateplusmy8 You are a disgrace to hard working, struggling folks who do TRULY have trouble paying bills.
If Kate adhered to the prosperity theory, then the healing theory goes hand in hand.
When she had a 'feeling' she would have trouble conceiving, why didn't she just ask God to heal her?
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Location 442). . Kindle Edition. We decided
that in October we would return for “round two”, but I got impatient (imagine that!) and went back in August right before our family trip to Disney World.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 442-443). . Kindle Edition.
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does this quote imply SHE decided to go in early for an infertility treatment? Her quote says THEY agreed to October, but SHE got impatient....
FLmama said... 38
I'm currently on Chapter 17 "I Want my Fake TV" which is 46% of the way through the book (loc. 16939). I just came across something interesting:
SPOILER
In an email called "ep ideas for April" Kate stated:
"hi all-
I would love to add the trainer ep (Kate weight training) at the end of the month (can't weight train following surgery til April 30), building the dog house (to go with wireless fence training)...crooked house installation..."
She put it right there in writing...SURGERY. These episodes all took place in 2009. So now we have an aproximate date of her boob job (April '09) confirmed!
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I thought the same thing! BOOB SURGERY! Unless that was one hell of a root canal she had done.
Kids by a certain age can live with the parent they choose to, regardless of who had first custody. (granted, living conditions, arrest records, drug use, etc etc come into play).
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That's not true in PA. A judge decides, though with their input.
@Sienna_Star
@Kateplusmy8 Can you make a trip to the UPS store and send my books? I'd appreciate it. I paid the return postage.
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Sorry. The only things from UPS that Kate is interested in are the freebies.
I tried the cnet hint, but when you transfer it your document file, it has the kindle AZW3 file attachment. You apparently need to be able to convert this as Windows does not have the program to open it. This is only ebook format. I am going to see if there is some way to do this.
Jane Post#30
Is the second paragraph a part of the letter from the school? Thanks for the clarification.
I remember Kate teased Jon for ironing his clothes and wanting to look nice. Said "What a man" Always putting him down as a man. Same with the boys. I believe Jon was tidy and organized- Kate always had a messy bedroom, stock-piled basement and look at her bureau recently! Jon made the kids' beds, vacuumed, did a lot of household chores.
Yes, I believe she had breast enlargements but Kate is covering it up saying that surgery was for the dent in her leg. What fricking dent?
I am just catching up on the comments here and have only gotten to #200 but....
JW said... 159
To: Appalled By This Wench, Dee3 & Sarah:
I can send you an email & attach the book but Admin will have to confirm for me if it's still okay and how I do it (to keep our email address private).
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@JW~
Thank you SO much for offering to do this. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I really do want to read the book.....just reading info from it here is causing me to have so many questions, especially about the time-line....what was happening when.
I'd be more than happy to reimburse you for a copy of it. I'd probably have to get my son or his fiance over here to help me download an attachment (or at least walk me through it via phone) but am dying to read it. Let me know if you hear anything about how sharing of the book might be done here.
And thank you so much again just for offering to do this. :) It's so nice of you.
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OK....I truly am computer illiterate...far more so than most here. I managed to find the candle site but can't find the 15 sub-group. I tried putting the longer URL into the search box but had no luck. If I follow through to the page where you put your initials and write your message (I did get that far)....is there a way to use that 3rd box to get it to go to the 15 grouping? Or some other way to do it?
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@mamaK and all the others here who gave me input on Kate's confessions in her journal~
Thank you all so much. I think it will really help me to get a better idea of the time-line which I think I'll be able to do when I can get to read the book.
I think I particularly need to learn more about the early years when the show was just beginning....and about the whole religious background/involvement.
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Maggie ... 56
The entire letter from the school is below. The second paragraph (above) is found in the book and was originally from the National Enquirer which posted it on their sister-site ROL. RH includes the name of the school official which I removed. Sorry for any confusion! Because of the book's formatting, it's difficult to copy/paste. I was able to access it on my desktop this morning and it's still alive and well on my iPad.
10/ 22/ 10
To: Kate Gosselin
From: xxxxxx
Subj: Tuition Refund
As a result of the separation from school for Alexis & Collin, at the request of the school, effective 10/ 22/ 10, the following prorated tuition refund will be processed next week: $ 3,856.27 for each child. Enclosed is a statement for one on one support thru 10/ 8/ 10. A final invoice for support will be forthcoming soon.
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When the show first started, I was scrolling with the remote and came across the J&K plus 8 intro...where they go out on the lawn with the kids, etc....and it looked so warm and homey......and then I watched the show.....and was appalled. It was one involving going to the potty and they actually showed what was in the potty (poop)....and I was stunned. I thought I was seeing things for a few seconds. I could not reconcile the warm intro with what was being done to these adorable toddlers...plus...could not STAND Kate from the first few moments of seeing her and seeing her be such a harridan to Jon and such an unloving mom to these adorable toddlers.................SO I never watched it again....and actually forgot about it....UNTIL...I was in the grocery line and saw all these magazine covers about the divorce, about Jon and the various women and about how she'd become so money hungry and all the product placement stuff and freebies......and I remember NOT being at all surprised and thinking to myself..."gee, it finally happened. I could see this coming from a mile away."
So shortly after that....they were having a marathon over a holiday week-end, I think....and I decided to watch the shows to see the grifting and product placement....but could only stomach 3 of them and just couldn't watch any more of them, Kate so sickened me. Just her voice made my skin crawl. My recollection is that the episodes I caught that day included the one where she got solar panels and practically verbally abused the men installing them and the one where they got the puppies and the kids were all at the table where they were telling them they were getting 2 puppies and entitled Kate was dancing around in glee saying that SHE was the one who was going to get to pick the names of one or both of them....and the kids looked sad about this...and one of them...maybe Maddy....even got a bit angry at Kate trying to steal all the thunder. Cannot remember what the third one was....but 3 was quite enough for me.
Around that time I found Moon's blog and got really involved in following the whole G. saga....and shortly thereafter....when I had so many questions about all the divorce stuff going on, I found 15 minutes...and was thrilled the Administrator was a real attorney who could answer these questions.....and then Moon's blog disappeared and I settled in here for years.
But....I really wasn't following the Gosselin saga all that much during the earlier years....prior to the divorce....and most of this journaling that has so stunned me...seems to have been back from that period and I think that learning about that particular part of the time-line from the book will really help me.
Jane Post#30
Is the second paragraph a part of the letter from the school? Thanks for the clarification.
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No, Maggie...those are Robert's words.
Kate Gosselin didn't write CouponCabin blog today!?! However, there is a blog about Kate running New York 10k on 10/13/2012 and L.A. run on 10/28/2012. Wonder what type of "greeting" she'll get?
I see Kate is too upset to do CC blog, someone named Jackie wrote that Kate is to do 2 marathons, for CC and Susan B Coleman, Rock& Roll: one in NYC on the 13th of Oct, and Oct 28 in LA for the Rock & Roll Halloween marathon. So I guess the kids are gonna be jipped out of Halloween again, like last year. That selfish bitch!
I would not suppose Susan B. Coleman cause of what went on about the pulling suppose for breast exams, for poor women, I know they resolved that, but, they may not be fully supporting it either. There are others who support breast cancer.
Amom: I bet this is the same person who wrote last weeks CC blog for Kate. Both CC blogs are very short. Maybe Kate is bored with CC.
Just wanted to add one more thing right now:
I had to chuckle.....I'd related that I'd been MIA for a while and just by sheer luck, caught Kate G. trending on yahoo. Had I come on the computer a few hours later, I'd have totally missed it....but I caught it and came running over here.
So...I was right here when R. Hoffman's book got pulled off Amazon. And I LOVE to be here right when things are happening in real time.
And it reminded me of the good ole' days....back to that evening when the Administrator went to that book signing in CA and Steve put his "rat-claws" on her to usher her away......and we were getting reports from her in real time....when she was actually there.....and this week-end reminded me of that.
I just really enjoy it when I get to be here when things are happening in real time. :)
ADDED: Not only am I quite computer-illiterate but I'm apparently number-challenged too. I'm still catching up on all the comments written over-night.....and had written down a bunch of numbers I wanted to reply to....but then went back and the numbers don't seem to match the posts I thought they were. Do the numbers change as more comments are added? The earlier numbers?
This often happens to me here because this blog gets SO many comments that the numbers can rise precipitously very quickly....and I often get somewhat lost when returning and having to catch-up on a page or more of added comments. I will try to catch-up here and hope to find all the ones I wanted to reply to.
She put it right there in writing...SURGERY. These episodes all took place in 2009. So now we have an aproximate date of her boob job (April '09) confirmed!
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Yes, which is why she showed on BHI Memorial Day weekend, 2009, in the orange bikini.
Dee3, this is "Group 15."
Click here
When you're on the candle blog there is a "search" tab at the top of page and when you click on it which opens that page one of the search boxes says "group." Type in "15" and it pops up.
For those wanting to save a copy of the book in the event it is yanked, buy a flash drive! big box stores, computer stores,all carry them. I copied it in just a few minutes. If my computer crashes, I have it saved on another source.
Hate to hear PA doesn't let kids decide who they want to live with. (perhaps the kids haven't spoken to a judge...ye
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perhaps kids haven't spoken to a judge yet? I would think one or more of the kids talking to a judge, saying mommy hits us, would merit some type of temporary removal, at the least.
It's better that Kate is away...the more the better for the kids. Why want an abuser to be around the kids? I'd rather them be with a babysitter on Halloween, at least they are away from their mom. (If Kate's there, she won't let them trick or treat anyway)
Dee3, I should say the clickable link will take you right where you want to go.
The instructions were for IF you get on a different page on the blog and want to find the "15" group.
Kate is either bored with CC or CC is ending their contract with Kate and filling space. If CC does end relationship with Kate; Kate's final blog should be "how grifting save her life" instead of coupon savings! LOL
Jane: yeah, that Missgoody2shoe, posted comments on one of the recent articles, that appeared today. She was bashing people, until one put her in her place. For a christian woman she claims to be, she sure is breaking a commandment, and proving to be a hater and a bully. This person said almost the samething you did. That one is a Kate ass-kisser.
This thread as several pages, at the start of each page the post number goes back to #1. Hope that helps.
For those of you saving the book, please be sure you can open it. It is in a file that Windows does not recognize. I believe you need a file converter to open it. If you have found one , I'd like to know. I have the book saved to my documents on my computer, but Windows will not open it.
HEE HAW, it would be awesome if Katie Couric had Robert on her show.
Maybe K was let go by CC?
Here's what I don't understand, though. Kate reveals so much through her journals and e-mails, about the kids, the show, her helpers, etc., why nothing about getting new boobs? Why wouldn't she comment on the anticipated surgery, the post-surgery (her boobs are wonderful, but sore...) and why nothing on her relationship with Steve?
Didn't Robert have to sign a C/A?
Some people are so concerned about Robert Hoffman associating his book proceeds with CASA (who might not want to be associated with a whistle-blower), what about child abuser Kate Gosselin associating herself with Susan B Coleman, Rock&Roll, & Coupon Cabin?
I can't see Susan B Coleman publicly aligning themselves with a child abuser.
And Rock&Roll is all about healthy living, not self-admitted beating of little kids. Aren't they?
Hate to hear PA doesn't let kids decide who they want to live with. (perhaps the kids haven't spoken to a judge...ye
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In what state can a child just say "I want to live with Daddy?" Are there states that allow this? If so, then if a child has a disagreement with a mother who has custody he can simply decide to move out on his own, regardless of age? In PA, there must be a valid reason for wanting to live with the other parent...the child just can't pick up and move with the other parent. What if that other parent had an arrest record, drinks heavily, or is a known drug user? Of course the judge needs to decide in that case what is best for the child.
I'm also done with polly's blog. she is now bashing the fact that Hoffman wants to donate his profits, and had one of her minions call the charity to complain that Robert was saying he was going to donate to them. WTH??? Does that even make any sense? Last I checked you don't need permission to donate.
I have ZERO repsect for her now, what a joke. Sour grapes indeed. Her whole vineyard is rotting!!!!
Tweedle-Dee, Robert admitted planting the story about Jone releasing the chickens. I'm sorry I can't remember where he wrote it, but he was explaining why he decided not to work with Al, and besides the publisher falling through, he realized he couldn't trust Al, and that's how he learned it. It was a test & Al failed.
That's a method a lot of people do to see if they can trust people. Plant a story and see if it comes out the other end. If it doesn't you can trust them, if it does you know who squealed.
He fed one story to Al off the record to see if he could trust him. It was about Jon getting drunk & letting out the chickens late at night. Sure enough, Polly proudly wrote it as fact, citing her sources.He made a fool of Al & Polly & they despise him for all his hard work getting the real story.
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I don't recall that she ever cited her sources, and when asked for proof that this happened, there was no proof. She did, however, claim that the incident was true. Someone asked for a police report as proof, and she said that since nobody was arrested there was no report. This, of course, is not true. Every time the police respond, there is an incident report regardless if anyone was arrested.
You know, I don't know why Discovery/ TLC went along with Kate's increasing demands. They were quite expensive, specific and dictatorial. Other HOMs/rare people were available for a show- why not quit while they were ahead- was Kate really worth the the money/appeasing/time she demanded?
Kate's tweet condescendingly says she enjoys paying bills b/c now she can...why couldn't she before when they were in her purse? Nothing has changed has it?
I have ZERO repsect for her now, what a joke. Sour grapes indeed. Her whole vineyard is rotting!!!!
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What in the heck is wrong with her? She can't let this go. Good grief...just go with the flow, say that he wrote a book which reveals much, and the bottom line is that child abuse needs to end.
Someone also reported that Al claims that the PayPal account has some meager amount in it. PayPal accounts are private -- you need a password to get into them, unless this was set up as a public account because of donations. Can you in fact check Robert's PP account to see the balance?
Over in Kate's County, Robert said he has not revealed ALL that was in her journal, emails, etc. I bet he has insurance and/or doctor info, but cannot reveal for privacy violations.
As far as Stevie, I believe she mostly talks to him by phone (Robert interviewed nanny that said she is on the phone to him all the time). Steve is a security guy, so he probably emphasized to her to not send emails, write stuff down about him, nothing than can be traced back to him. He is slick.
More than a few people have commented how she is a different person around him. I find it hard to believe Gina did not have a sense of what was going on. Some women tolerate it. And there are their sons to consider. Besides, I cannot imagine Steve wanting to raise eight children. I think he is a jackhole and Robert pretty much all but came out and said those two were doing it. I believe Kate has aggressively pursued him.
Catherine @81, thanks for the explanation. I don't remember reading that. There's so much in that book. I guess I'll have to read it twice. UGH, that's a horrible thought.
No offense, Robert. It's Kate that's offensive, not the book.
Robert has so much information, it is hard to follow it all, and there is repeating. It would have been better to be more of a narrative. His book is more like a rough draft, IMO. But, oh, the information he has.
BTW, don't believe for a minute is just sitting around paying bills.
OK...I found a few of the comments I wanted to reply to. "Barb in Nebraska" wrote a comment regarding a case in Florida where a legal defense fund was set up in a criminal case....after the person was already charged and possibly in jail, I assume.
And then "Where's Jon, No More Kate said... 50" wrote a later comment....and then a second one after that.
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@Barb~
I had been thinking more and more along the lines of what "Where's Jon, No More Kate" wrote and was not at all being suspicious of Mr. Hoffman....and am, in fact, donating to his legal defense fund today. In the Fla. case....a defense fund was apparently set up in a criminal case and later, there seemed to be questions regarding use of the monies? In this situation...Mr. Hoffman, I believe, would be strictly dealing with civil issues (torts?) related to intellectual property issues when publishing.
For me, this would be a matter of donating to a legal defense fund of a whistle-blower and protecting free speech.
Thank you to "Where's Jon, No More Kate" for that paragraph from an article on cease&desist letters. That was exactly what I was referring to when I asked my question.
My question had been related to just that.....whether simply HAVING online supporters who are contributing to your legal defense fund could make this a bigger issue that could attract pro-bono attorneys, etc.
The paragraph that "Where's Jon, No More Kate" so nicely provided explains that attorneys can err when they assume that a particular legal situation is strictly between two people and don't factor in a situation that may involve a large number of supporters who see this as a (can't think of the right word here)...but as a larger issue....a symbolic case...representing a significant issue....such as one involving free speech (which I think this one does).....silencing a whistle-blower....relating to a huge cover-up of child abuse situation by the wealthy and powerful, etc.
I have no suspicion regarding Mr. Hoffman's legal defense fund....otherwise, I would not be planning to contribute to it today.
I would just love to see him be able to get additional help....pro-bono attorneys, free speech groups, etc. because:
I do believe the book is truthful (it sounds very much like what I've suspected all along).
I do believe he's wrote the book and is trying to publish it based on principle and not financial gain.
I do believe it is now a free-speech issue and an issue of silencing a whistle-blower
And I do believe that this information needs to be out there and that people need to learn how a powerful and wealthy corporation and multiple news outlets (all who provided articles, who interviewed Kate on TV, etc.) perpetrated not only a huge fraud on the viewers but also a huge cover-up which resulted in irreversible damage being done to 8 innocent young children who were being filmed for a reality TV show.
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You're right, the book is difficult to read, because there are just no redeeming qualities in Kate and the extent of her abuse/exploitation, demands, treatment of people & animals is just mind-boggling.
I usually read a book rather quickly, but this one I had to take emotional breaks from even though it was not a surprise in some ways- just put all together makes it seem even worse. And the kids are still with her- that's what worries me, and not enough is being done IMO to help them. I hope there is more help for the G kids than we know about.
Based on RH's book, it appears that the school, and other agencies/persons may very well be involved in what is going on with the kids. I think Jon has also voiced his concerns to the Court (even if shot down), but the Court's ears may be "perked up" with the RH book.
I believe that the majority of us just want the kids have some piece of mind, as well as ongoing issues addressed in counseling, so they know they did not deserve any bad treatment, expoitation, etc... and anything else that made them feel less than "normal." They certainly deserve this after what they have been put through with Kate's insane expectations and demands. God help them now, please.
It was stated somewhere that Kate now has a full time live in nanny and that Jon has 50% custody, with no child support due. I believe there is/has been a lot going on that we may never be privy to, and that is fine, as long as the kids's needs are attended to (physically, mentally and emotionally.) JMO
Formerly Duped said... 84
You know, I don't know why Discovery/ TLC went along with Kate's increasing demands. They were quite expensive, specific and dictatorial. Other HOMs/rare people were available for a show- why not quit while they were ahead- was Kate really worth the the money/appeasing/time she demanded?
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They figured a couple hundred million was worth the headaches she caused.
@over in kate's county...
Here in California for the most part that is true. With our most troubled son he had been with his mom from divorce to age 11, with us from 11 to 14, and then went back to her. Once he was back with her there were many document-able issues, such as him failing all 8th grade classes, missing days of school or arriving late almost everyday that he attended, getting caught with cigarettes in his locker and being suspended, plus the fact that we had a stay at home parent (me) and his mom worked so he was on a detrimental path and had no supervision from after school until 6 pm... (I praise working moms nothing bad being implied here other than if you know your child is doing very bad things during unsupervised time and there is an opportunity for them to be under constant supervision why not consider it if you want the best for your kids) .... We saw no less than 3 attorneys and all 3 said that if a teenager does not want to move to the other parent's home a court will very rarely force them to go. The exact words to me were "judges are very reluctant to send a teenager somewhere that they do not want to be." Even with proof of all that above and more, and proof that they years he was with us he was passing all classes and had perfect attendance at school.
In fact, she would never bring him over for my husbands court ordered visitation, he would not get in the car and she would not force him, so finally hubby called the police and even with a court order the police said they would not do anything, they were not going to make him get in the car to come to our home for visitation, and our lawyer said pretty much the same thing about the judge not forcing him to go where he didn't want to.
Just for the record: he is now 18, did not graduate high school, he smokes and sells marijuana, his mom kicked him out the day after his 18th birthday and he came to live with us and after 45 days I kicked him out and confiscated his cell phone and went through it and found out is a daily user of cocaine, ecstasy, pure mdma, and marijuana. We were drug testing him weekly, he was buying urine from people to pass our tests. He has never had a job and is currently now homeless and couch surfing. Great job mom and CA judges. NOT.
TLC stinks said... 89
Robert has so much information, it is hard to follow it all, and there is repeating. It would have been better to be more of a narrative. His book is more like a rough draft, IMO. But, oh, the information he has.
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agree 100%. I think if ever Robert puts it in paperback form, as you suggest, a chronological narrative would be easier to follow ( and add the photos please!)
From CC: "Kate will be running the Rock ‘n’ Roll New York 10k on October 13 and the Rock ‘n’ Roll Los Angeles Halloween Half Marathon on October 28."
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What?? I thought Kate was running 2 marathons within a month of each other. She's really shifted her running into a lower gear, hasn't she?
I'm going to go out on a limb here (LOL) and predict that she'll never register for another full marathon again.
Over In Kate's County said... 86
What in the heck is wrong with her? She can't let this go. Good grief...just go with the flow, say that he wrote a book which reveals much, and the bottom line is that child abuse needs to end.
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She has never given two shits about the children. She is a small town gossip trying to capitalize on them to make a quick buck. Her motivation has been obvious for years.
I'm trying to catch up here!! I have been out of town, and only able to read for a few minutes here and there. I have the book and am reading it.
Unbelievable. Maybe I should wait for god to show up and start providing, worked for Kate- or does god only do Kate's bidding? Sorry, I dont even believe in god and I found that statement by her completely sacrilegious.
Back to the book.
Hey, can we all arrange for Dunkin Donuts delivery to Collin and his siblings? ;)
Sue Buddy said...93
They figured a couple hundred million was worth the headaches she caused.
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Yes,agree, only reason. But I would hope there were a few moral people on the show or chances to film more worthy 'unique' people if they must produce invasive reality shows..
I guess there was quite a turn-over in the crew etc during the show.
That's a method a lot of people do to see if they can trust people. Plant a story and see if it comes out the other end. If it doesn't you can trust them, if it does you know who squealed.
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During an interview recently, Prince William said the same exact thing. He said he would do this to see if he could trust a person.
TLC stinks said... 89
Robert has so much information, it is hard to follow it all, and there is repeating. It would have been better to be more of a narrative. His book is more like a rough draft, IMO. But, oh, the information he has.
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I agree! The information he shares is voluminous and he says he has so much more, including photos to document and substantiate much of this. It's not an easy read, it meanders, but it's very thorough. When I love a book, I tend to just keep reading and reading until I'm done but I can't with this one -- it's just too terribly painful and infuriating. I read and then let it be until I can gather myself together.
Wow the tups get suspended from school and the first thing she thinks is I want a refund ? Why am I surprised.
@Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 71
Thanks so much for the help. It helped me to finally figure out how to get the candle lit in the correct grouping.
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Quite disheartening to read the responses of AW and Polly. I never thought all that highly of AW but am quite disappointed to see what Polly's response has been. Makes them look petty regarding an issue we should all be supporting together.
Gosselin8ComeFirst ~ It was stated somewhere that Kate now has a full time live in nanny and that Jon has 50% custody, with no child support due. I believe there is/has been a lot going on that we may never be privy to, and that is fine, as long as the kids's needs are attended to (physically, mentally and emotionally.) JMO
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No hard evidence to support this thought, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the full-time nanny was court appointed to address concerns we've read about in RH's book.
I really had to laugh at the part in the book where she details EACH MEAL she expects at the hotel. I wonder how long it took her to think that one up, and if the hotel restaurant actually delivered on her specifics.
She sat down and planned the menu, right down to the meat that had to be "tender". I guess this was her idea of a self-made rider. I've seen many of them, right down to the color M&Ms a star wanted, but gosh, Kate's was right up there as demanding and ridiculous!
Adelle said she does this too, plants stories.
Regarding the school tuition. I have Robert's book, and correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it say the school's tuition was mostly paid by the school. I seem to recall the school only charged $1,000/per child.
So why did she get such a large refund when the kids were "expelled"?
Was the scholarship only for the first year?
Formerly Duped said...Yes,agree, only reason. But I would hope there were a few moral people on the show or chances to film more worthy 'unique' people if they must produce invasive reality shows..
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I'm a cynic. My opinion is everything comes down to money; morality, ethics fly out the window every time. If a person can't be bought they can be intimidated.
@Barb~
I had been thinking more and more along the lines of what "Where's Jon, No More Kate" wrote and was not at all being suspicious of Mr. Hoffman....and am, in fact, donating to his legal defense fund today. In the Fla. case....a defense fund was apparently set up in a criminal case and later, there seemed to be questions regarding use of the monies? In this situation...Mr. Hoffman, I believe, would be strictly dealing with civil issues (torts?) related to intellectual property issues when publishing.
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I need to correct you on this again.
There was NO ISSUE with having a defense fund.
The ISSUE was that when the judge was asking about the couple's financial situation, they LIED about how much money they had. Because they had a defense fund, it was easy to see that they were LYING ABOUT the total amount of money they had access to, because the defense fund was public.
There was never a question about "how the monies were being used" in the defense fund. The problem was perjury as they did not give a true financial picture of their situation to the judge re setting bail.
I live in FL, have been following this case way before MSM picked it up.
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They pulled a Kate: "Money? What money? We don;t have any money."
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Sue Buddy:
Sad but true...I did like to think children have a soft spot in most people's hearts, but I guess a corporation so impersonal and out to make a dollar ( or millions) can easily harden that, although I'm sure some of the crew didn't like what they saw but had a job to keep to to feed their own families...if their own mother could treat the kids so, I shouldn't be surprised :(
The scholarship was for the first year. The school was very generous to them in the beginning, but you do have to release your financial records to them to get aid. I'm sure she soaked them for everything she could, but once your income hits over $100,000 the scholarships are scarce.
When people on twitter started asking Al how he would know the balance of the Paypal account, Al tweeted "That was snark. Duh."
I too remember Robert saying how he planted the story about the chickens. I thought it may have been on his blog when he responded to Polly but he doesn't address it there.
However, I think he might have addressed it HERE. I remember him commenting here awhile ago, but just can't remember when. Does anyone else remember?
One of the things that has been nagging me since reading this book involved the decision to 'just have one more'.
Jon and Kate were talking about their decision during a couch interview and Kate asked Jon if he had 'forgiven her'. At the time I thought she meant that she had more or less nagged him into trying for another baby, but now I wonder if he found the HGH package and invoice and kept it.
Gosselin8ComeFirst said... 92
Based on RH's book, it appears that the school, and other agencies/persons may very well be involved in what is going on with the kids. I think Jon has also voiced his concerns to the Court (even if shot down), but the Court's ears may be "perked up" with the RH book......
It was stated somewhere that Kate now has a full time live in nanny and that Jon has 50% custody, with no child support due. I believe there is/has been a lot going on that we may never be privy to, and that is fine, as long as the kids's needs are attended to (physically, mentally and emotionally.) JMO
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It has always been my belief that Jon G., Beth C., Jodi & Kevin....and probably many others...tried their best and their hardest to protect these children....and just ran into brick walls. The power and influence of TLC/Discovery was just too huge and as long as they were interested in protecting Kate G. and filming the children...their hands were tied and they were stopped at every turn.
I've always believed Jon G. was literally put through hell and did everything he could to help his children....and have always supported him and still do. I think he's been treated abominably and exhibited unbelievable restraint.
And I always hoped that one day....when Kate G. was no longer being protected and insulated by TLC/Discovery.....that the truth would finally be revealed. And I believe that R. Hoffman is trying to do this....and with the best of intentions.
And if it's true that Jon now has 50% custody and there is a full-time live-in nanny when the children are with Kate....it would make total sense to me. I think that now that she is no longer being protected by a big and powerful corporation, the people who wanted to help and protect the children all along may now be making some headway in doing that....and thank God for that.
I believe that TLC/Discovery and all the influence and power that they wielded over news outlets, government agencies, etc.....made it almost impossible for Jon and many others to help these children and that they tried and tried for years...unsuccessfully...to do this. I will always believe that they were trying desperately to help them behind the scenes for many years.
And I think that now that Kate is no longer under the protection of the wealthy and influential power....that the wheels of justice....that may grind exceeding slow but exceedingly fine....are finally starting to help these children.....and it's about time.
I don't think Kate said or asked about the refund. I think the school knew Kate was entitled to it and just sent her a letter.
And the book only mentioned the scholarship for the twins for their first year.
re the Chicken coop story
If you go to the original post on WG blog, read the comments. A number of posters are questioning the story. THere is one poster that seems VERY sure it is not true. Hmm .... it's an interesting read, second time around.
And FYI the "Heather" that is posting there, is not me.
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Well, I for one, do keep some old receipts as reference. No telling how Kate's brain works.
My gut feeling is that Jon found that reeipt or packaging, kept it with his stuff, and when she threw out everything he had ever touched, out it went in the trash without her realizing it. Robert says he has it, there must a date on it, so he put two and two together (unless Jon told him). I believe Robert. Yes, for us normal people, it would not make sense to hang on to that receipt, particularly if you are being sneaky, but maybe Jon suspected something early on. But what could he do? She was pregnant with his kids.
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Does anyone else remember a couch interview with Jon and Kate, maybe midway thru the seasons of the show, where they mentioned her becoming pregnant with the tups? Kate turned to Jon, smiled and asked him if he had forgiven her yet. He didn't have much to say. I always thought she had masterminded the tup pregnancy and this proved it to me.
There is too much repeating of her personal diary entries in different chapters. As Admin. stated, the book needs to be tightened up. (Admin. I am paraphrasing because I can't recall your exact statement about the book being too long.
But I am extremely grateful that he wrote the book and hope the attorneys don't tie him up in court and wipe him out financially, physically, or emotionally.
@Heather~
Thank you for correcting me. I was just sorta trying to paraphrase there and got it wrong. You are saying that the amount of money in the defense fund was not given or not correctly stated when the judge was determining bail, right?
I'm not familiar with that case, but I think I've read of other cases where this type of situation happened. I was only worried that Barb from Nebraska had misunderstood my question or my intentions for asking the question....and had thought I was suspicious of Mr. Hoffman's intentions for setting up the legal defense fund.
From what I've read....Mr. Hoffman does not seem motivated by money. He apparently set up some sort of file-sharing capability for those who bought the book on Amazon for their Kindle (before it was removed for purchase)...and the price of the book ($8.88) was very inexpensive IMO.
And for me....this is a freedom of speech/silencing of a whistle-blower situation...which I am very passionate about anyway and because nothing I've seen or read has caused me to question Mr. Hoffman's information, his intentions and his claim that he is doing this on principle....I feel completely comfortable donating to his legal defense fund.
But I apologize if I wrote wrong info. and thank you for correcting me. I only wanted to explain to Barb in Nebraska that I saw this as a totally different type of situation.
Ah...okay...sorry. The above comment I wrote (regarding the case in Fla.) is addressed to "heather", not "Heather". I didn't realize there were two different ones.
According to google her first day at cc was Nov 11 2011: If it werea year contract it's almost up. They'll probably just fill the remaining weeks with marathon stuff imo. How awkward would a post on saving money be now that the real way she saves is now known: she begs and doesn't pay for anything.
The difference that may be confusing some is that if you are charged for a criminal offense & can't afford an attorney you have a right to a free attorney. If assets are hidden & you claim poverty to get a free attorney, you're in trouble.
Robert is not being charged with a crime. He has no right to a free attorney. Robert can collect as much money as he can, since he's not using state resources for an attrney.
Heather, 117...
If you go to the original post on WG blog, read the comments. A number of posters are questioning the story. THere is one poster that seems VERY sure it is not true. Hmm .... it's an interesting read, second time around.
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I just read this, and someone did ask for the police report, and the following comment from WG was that there was no report because that's the advantage of living in a small town.
This, of course, is not true. If Kate didn't press charges, there still would be an incident report. There must be a police log of all calls. I know this for a fact. She also didn't reveal the "source."
"Sue Buddy said... 108
I'm a cynic. My opinion is everything comes down to money; morality, ethics fly out the window every time. If a person can't be bought they can be intimidated."
Agree100%. And I also believe that TLC/Discovery overlooked alot in order to keep the money rolling in...and they don't want to be called on it. Money first.
Catherine: Thanks for clearing up the tuition question. First year- wouldn't the income still be high? ( the year the tups started preK or was it K?)
I'd be mightily annoyed if I had a child in that school and the Gs still got a tuition break.
People are rightfully questioning why Kate would keep a journal of her abusing her kids. This is my take on it.
In her journals she was confessing to God her sins (she wrote she was wrong). And she was asking God to help her have more patience with her children.
Kate came from a very evangelical family who talked like she wrote in her journals. How do I know this. Well, she went to a evangelical school for 12 years. She went to an Assembly of God church for a time.
And we have one sister that that wrote a long entry or more(it is in Robert's book) about person A and person B and how confused she was. It was also copied to GWOP years ago. That post of her sisters was talking a lot about God. And then on Preesi's site, we have another sister who is adopting and her writings about this adoption include her great faith in God. And Kate's father is/was an associate pastor at an evangelical church.
dee 115, excellent comments. I agree and I'm beginning to think along the same lines regarding the 50/50 split and nanny. Nanny could be 5 days a week who comes when kids get home from school and stays until they're in bed. It could have all been court ordered.
what I find absolutely appalling and very TELLING about her motives in using the kids and HOM angle to get freebies and money is that in her journals while she is journaling about beating the crap out of toddlers in diapers and throwing them in their beds to get them away from her, she is trying to convince Jon that they need to adopt a baby from Korea! WTF?
This is OT, but I wonder how well her 'nature' cookies sold at the school function? Berks, where are you?:)
I hope the kids aren't being teased too badly.
Thank you for correcting me. I was just sorta trying to paraphrase there and got it wrong. You are saying that the amount of money in the defense fund was not given or not correctly stated when the judge was determining bail, right?
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No.
Money is money. They LIED about how much they had total, all finances. Period.
The reason it became an issue was because everyone knew they had a defense fund. It was obvious from conversations from jailhouse calls (which are recorded) that they were shuffling money into accounts and that they were talking about how much was in the defense fund.
The defense fund itself was NOT the issue. The issue was that they lied about how much they had TOTAL, of which the defense fund should have been included, just like any other bank account.
It could just as easily been another bank account, a large check someone had given them, etc.
There was no issue with having a defense fund itself. Does that make it clearer?
heather
In an email to Radar, Robert states that he submitted all the evidence he had collected - journals, contracts, etc. - to CPS in 2010 when he first discovered it. CPS said they would look into it and that's the last he heard from them.
I won't speculate on what CPS did or didn't do. My understanding is many times CPS gets a report the reporter never hears the outcome.
I'm not sure anymore who stated that Robert would make $2 per copy sold, but the website has been edited to reflect that *all* proceeds will be donated (which is what I would have expected).
I agree with many of the comments on the book. A narrative that follows a timeline would have been much easier to follow. Whenever I read repeated email or journal entries, I thought that I had lost my place and wondered if I had missed part of the book. It reads like Catch-22.
Some of the problems in readability could be addressed with simple formatting and putting threads in emails in chronological order. It might be better to simply summarize the information in email threads and then use hyperlinks to get to the source material. If emails are kept in the chapter, then tightening up and indenting will help to separate his opinion from the evidence. Also, using a seperTor (ex. Dotted lign, dashes etc) att each change of thread would reduce the confusion.
I also don't understand why he has yanked all of the photos. If he took the shots himself, why doesn't behave the rights? As it has been said, a picture speaks a thousand words.
Maybe the twins will get Kate a shredder for Xmas.
Good article:
http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2012/kate-gosselin-turned-into-child-protective-services-for-abusing-her-children-1001/
"book reads like a modern day version of Mommie Dearest as Kate trades in Joan Crawford’s wire hangers for a wooden spoon. Allegations of Kate “throwing” her young children into their cribs and “pulling them by the hair” are among the many horrific claims on the pages of Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World"
"If anyone had the displeasure of watching Kate in action on her last season of Kate plus 8 you were privy to the cross country RV trip with Kate, the kids and some friends. This was a woman unraveling and her behavior was bizarre at that time, with the cameras rolling.'
Does anyone else remember a couch interview with Jon and Kate, maybe midway thru the seasons of the show, where they mentioned her becoming pregnant with the tups? Kate turned to Jon, smiled and asked him if he had forgiven her yet. He didn't have much to say. I always thought she had masterminded the tup pregnancy and this proved it to me
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At about the 3:25 mark Jon & Kate discuss this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYhLBf8X55k&feature=relmfu
Whew! So much to process.
I went to Longwood Gardens in Pa. over the weekend, so I'm busy trying to run errands, catch up on the book, do housework, go jogging, and catch up on all the comments here.
P.S. Kate's name is mud with or without the book.
P.P.S. Amazon may have stopped the sale of this book, but many people already jumped to buy it. So it's too late for Kate & Co. to do damage control. Enough people know what she had done to her "saggy baggies" ;o)
P.issssssssssssss No one gives a sh*t who/or what Kate is. She can disappear, and no one will care... except maybe her "admirers".
Sillimom is correct CPS has no obligation to follow up with the results of their investigation to the person who reported it, and in many cases won't because of confidentiality. Just one example, my aunt is a teacher and on two occasions had to call. She was frustrated that she never heard what happened to those kids and they wouldn't tell her.
I apologize if this question has already been asked and answered... especially if it is a dumb question. I bought the book and read it on my Kindle over the weekend. Is it possible that it could disappear from my Kindle?
@heather~
Was the amount they had collected relevant because they got a state-appointed attorney? Why was the reporting of the amount of money they'd collected relevant in that case?
What Catherine has written here is true:
Catherine said... 123
The difference that may be confusing some is that if you are charged for a criminal offense & can't afford an attorney you have a right to a free attorney. If assets are hidden & you claim poverty to get a free attorney, you're in trouble.
Robert is not being charged with a crime. He has no right to a free attorney. Robert can collect as much money as he can, since he's not using state resources for an attorney.
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The Fla. case was a criminal one. The legal situation Mr. Hoffman is dealing with would be a civil one (torts?).
But Mr. Hoffman, although not entitled to a state-appointed attorney....could get offers from civil attorneys who might be interested in helping him pro-bono. That's what I'd been referring to in previous comments.
It is unknown at this point...how high Mr. Hoffman's legal costs could go. How much he is able to help through a voluntary legal defense fund would have no bearing on the possibility of any civil lawyers offering pro-bono assistance. He could probably use both....depending on how far Kate's lawyers want to go to fight this.
Was the Florida situation involving reporting of assets related to being entitled to a state-appointed (free) attorney/public defense attorney?
I apologize...but I seem to be getting more confused rather than less. Was their reporting of how much they collected related to their legal obligation to the state? Related to getting a state-appointed attorney? Or related to setting bail?
It sounds like you are saying that they did not include the defense funds when reporting what there assets were. What were they reporting their assets for? In relation to the criminal case?
Whatever is put out in garbage cans is basically considered fair game. There is a homeless guy that comes around our neighborhood on the night before trash day, looking for cans or bottles in the recycling bins. He doesn't cause any trouble, so I often put my cans and bottles in a brown paper bag near the top of the recycle bin. As long as those items are ending up recycled, I don't care who gets them.
I also shred bills and paperwork that have my name, address or other info on them, before putting them in the trash. I don't believe anyone is going through my trash trying to steal my identity, but "just in case", I shred. I imagine Kate will just add another task to her burdened "helpers": SHRED EVERY PIECE OF GARBAGE BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE BIN.
If Robert got Kate's journals and e-mails off of something she threw in the garbage - then I don't see how Discovery, TLC, or Kate, can sue him for anything. As others have already said, maybe Discovery ought to consider suing Kate for giving away trade secrets. It's no different than if someone was combing through trash at the landfill, found Jon's old computer, and thus found Kate's journals and e-mails. It was in the trash, therefore it was free game.
Catherine.
I seem to remember reading about the false story of releasing the chickens that Robert gave to Al and Polly. I just have to remember where I put that.
Didn't RH send an email to Polly and she posted it on her blog? It was in response to her first sanctimonious post about his motives
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@heather~
Was the amount they had collected relevant because they got a state-appointed attorney? Why was the reporting of the amount of money they'd collected relevant in that case?
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They lied to the judge about how much money they had, which the judge needed to know to set bail. After how much they actually had was verified, the wife was charged with perjury, and bail for the accused was raised.
Again, it had NOTHING whatsoever to do with having a defense fund.
heather
I read it, yes, Amazon can remove the book from your kindle. That's why we have been discussing how to keep the book. I currently have my Kindle wi-fi off but don't know if that will make any difference. Amazon uses a special ebook encription file that Windows can't read so if you think you have successfully downloaded the book into your computer, you better check if you can open it.
Dee
I think they are talking about the George Zimmerman case. Here is an article about the situation:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/06/01/12010484-judge-revokes-bail-for-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite
I wonder if Kate thinks she got her $$$ worth from her high profile legal team (Laverne and Shirley as someone up thread termed them.)
Kate had contracted with them well in advance of this past weekend to stop this book. This was evidenced by the letters they sent to Robert that were posted on his blog and yet, the book came OUT! I know I have a copy and I would bet there are hundreds out there if not thousands of copies. After a couple of days, Laverne and Shirley succeeded in getting Amazon to pull it but they are locking the barn door after the horse got out. I wonder if Kate feels she got her money's worth from these legal eagles?
Those wanting to save their e-book, purchase a flashdrive at your local big box or computer store. It's super easy! they are relatively cheap.
This is what I did.
1. turn off internet
2. right click on kindle icon
3. click on SEND TO
4. click on DVD RAM DRIVE D
that's it. Also a good idea to save to another flash drive, you can plug into any computer and read it (also a good way to share files and pictures). If your computer crashes, you still a copy of the e-book.
Re: CouponCabin Awhile ago I tweeted that CC was getting a new blogger and Kate was getting fired. NEVER did Thrifty Today say Kate was getting fired. It was my happy assumption that CC had come to their senses about Kate. I got some flack for that on here then and if you want to give me flack for that now, go ahead, probably have some coming.
Her blog and facebook were Thrifty Today. She is now working at Coupon Cabin so I think it's safe to go ahead and say her name. I didn't want to do it before because of the sheep. I am still hopeful this new blogger will completely replace Kate in Nov. You can google her name, include blog or Facebook, to see her announcements. It comes up on google but her facebook has been removed (at least not working for me now) and her blog reverts to CC but on the Google page itself it says Today's the big day, etc.
If this is not appropriate Admin please delete. I know common sense dictates assumptions should be stated as such and not facts. That's why I never said anything about Coupon Cabin here.
@Administrator~
Love the photo you put in your entry of the woman screaming at her laptop. Makes me laugh every time I see it.
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Is it just me or is that shopping list Kate G. gave to her helpers, telling them what groceries to buy....seem like not nearly enough food for 8 kids? Especially if she was also packing lunches for school from it? I'm not sure if that would have even been enough for my 3 sons eat during a week back when they were kids.
Sure seems like not enough food for that number of children....at least to me.
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@Localyocul~
Thanks for the link to that article. Boy, the horse really IS out of the barn and it's too late to shut the barn door, isn't it?
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I'd been assuming that the intellectual property issues that got the book pulled off Amazon were related to using passages from Kate G.'s books. I can't wait to find out what the IP issues are really related to.
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Thanks Tweetle-Dee :)
Sue Buddy, love your articles on Gather. I remember a quote from movie or TV or a real life case, can't recall where I heard it first. ”Follow the money.”
If you want to get to the truth of something, follow who is paying for things, who is making the money, where is the money going, what does the money fund. Discovery is one cable company that is linked thru corporate ownership or somehow to NBC, to other networks, and to media/ advertising buys for ads in print media promoting their shows. I don't know all the connections, but once you know there are connections, the post divorce media tour makes sense. The affiliated networks/ shows had to have Ms Kreider s poor pitiful me act on their shows.
Kinda like when Disney bought ABC, and all the ABC sitcoms had to work in a trip to Disney into their stories and film an episode there.
Follow the money! (That's what Purse Boy has done. Ms Kreider, when the money is gone, he will be gone too)
I think Robert should be compensated for all the work he did exposing this fruitcake kate. I don't think his family is independently wealthy, and he has spent hours, days, years working on this project. It is reasonable to give 20% to a good cause, but he has to make a living. Hopefully, a book publisher will pick the book up and help him edit it, and publish it in paperback, so libraries can carry the book. I bet it would be a bestseller, just look at Kitty Kelly books.
This Polly and Al person made money, why shouldn't Robert?? Also, for now maybe we could email the book to each other, and then "donate" money to Robert via paypal.
I burned a copy of the book on a CD. It works great.
I know I read it somewhere...Robert planted the story about the chickens to test AW. Either it was on Polly's blog and she'a removed it or it was on the GB blog. Robert? Can you verify?
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I wonder if Kate thinks she got her $$$ worth from her high profile legal team (Laverne and Shirley as someone up thread termed them.)
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They weren't able to stop the book in advance because what Hoffman wrote was true.
They could prevent it being sold, at least on a temporary basis, by claiming that Hoffman had infringed on intellectual property rights ONLY ONCE THE BOOK HAD BEEN PUBLISHED. There was no possible infringement until the book was released.
In other words, they couldn't stop it pre-publication, because Hoffman's claims are TRUE. The only other possible way to stop it was to claim that Hoffman didn't own the rights to Kate's verification of the truth.
Kate's an idiot, and her lawyers are happy to spend her money proving it. More power to them.
Anonymous 149 ~ It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Kate's contract with CC is being allowed to expire w/o renewal. And it's quite possible that someone else is writing her posts of late. But I think she's still drawing a paycheck from them. The evidence? As clear as the postings on her Twitter feed & blog. When the money dries up, her CC posts will evaporate, too. As JoyinVirginia said (at 151): follow the money.
I can't believe Kate is going to be on Katie Couric this week. Why?? She has nothing to promote that we know of, I'm sure it will be more of the same whining like always. The poor single mother struggling to make it on her own while raising 8 yes 8 kids by herself. I don't get why she is given any air time at all.
I see Kate's tweet about Coupon Cabin donating to the Susan G. Komen Foundation. I hope this doesn't stir up any firestorm here (not intended), but I absolutely refuse to have anything to do with that Foundation due to their de-funding of Planned Parenthood's cancer screening services. I also disapprove of the way they spend the donations they receive. So Coupon Cabin being coordinated with the Komen Foundation goes a long way in explaining to me why they hired Kate and continue to keep her on their payroll.
I don't get it....if she really has these millions...why does she continue to put herself out in the public...why doesn't she get off twitter, stop the self promotion and live a comfortable life in seclusion? What is the point of twitter for someone in her position...talking to teenagers and sickos all day...she made a killing...why not go off and raise your kids privately and enjoy your money and your life....Let the books come out...stop wasting your money on lawyers and just let people think what they want...I would feel like I had the last laugh and live my life in leisure.....Does she really think by repairing the damage she will still have a "career"? BWAAAAAAAAAAAA...If she accepted it was over...she would enjoy her life and be content with what she has....
Regarding Kate's lies about the conception of the sextuplets, there is video of Kate, hugely pregnant, on a table, presumably at a doctor's office, (right after they've learned how many eggs were fertilized, I think), saying to Jon bleating "Do you forgive me, honey?" in saccharine tones.
I knew at that moment that she'd lied about the conception. I didn't realize she'd repeated the moment in a couch discussion.
Someone else will have to find the clip. I'm too sickened by this whole thing to ever intentionally look at her face again.
Catherine, how so?
I don't know much about CPS in PA, but I do know that if you file a false report, you risk getting sued. Robert must have felt he had good evidence to go to CPS. Did they blow him off because of who Kate is?
Also, what about the township cops at Kate's beck and call. Did she pay for that? I doubt it. The paps weren't really bothering her. Goes to show she was determined to ditch them, even if she had to break laws which were ignored by the cops. I think the chief of police there needs to explain why cops were taken off their beat to "protect" Kate from the big, bad paps.
Is it because she is probably the richest resident in the township?
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I don't get it....if she really has these millions...why does she continue to put herself out in the public...why doesn't she get off twitter, stop the self promotion and live a comfortable life in seclusion?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Because she needs the attention as much as she "needs" the money. Or more. She's a narcissist. That's what they do. There is no bad attention.
Joy in Virginia 121, thank you :) and yes, follow the money. What can the truth buy, right?
I wonder if Katie Couric got presubmitted questions to ask just like all the other interviews she has done? I hope Katie Couric doesn't bend to this. Perhaps if she does not and the show has not been pre-taped, Kate will fail to appear. Gift of gab...I think not.
Thank you Legal Eagle. You are so correct.
Marie
aggiemom 148.
Did this.
Right now when I open the file it opens up in Kindle.
If and when Kindle decides to delete the book how would we open it? I have a techno headache.
Not feeding 2 german shepards can be very dangerous to more than just the dogs. GS, even the best trained, most loved, can turn very vicious and seriously injure or even kill a child. Add to that children that are already violent and angry and we're lucky no one was badly bitten.
I have no knowledge about PA's laws and precedent re child custody, etc. In my county (located in northern California), there is no hard and fast rule at which age a child may have input as to which parent he/she lives with. However, certainly by age 10, a child can give input. So the non-custodial parent hears their child's plea to come live with him (I say him, because usually the mom has custody). Dad wants full custody, child wants to live with dad 100%, so dad retains an attorney, they file a petition to modify custody, hearing is set, and child is allowed to testify.
In the case of the Gosselin children, especially the twin girls, if they felt safe enough to discuss their mother's extreme discipline, rages, and whether they are fearful of her or not, a judge should most certainly grant their petition to live with their father. Jon does not have a criminal record, he is local so no change in school, and he is otherwise a law-abiding citizen. If Jon is not doing so already, he ought to be taking those children in to see a doctor anytime they arrive at his home with bruises, cuts, abrasions, or other possible evidence of abuse. Medical records documenting injuries which repeatedly occur while in their mother's custody will go a long way in supporting any petition for 100% custody to Jon. (If he has a halfway decent attorney, Jon already knows this and has probably been documenting such things already.)
Kate - if you are reading this - know that the truth is already out there about you. It will only get worse for you from here on out. Discovery execs - you better distance yourselves as far away from this wreck as you can. You are already permanently tarnished in my eyes. People in the know who have been afraid of that confidentiality agreement -- it is not binding when it involves a crime, like child abuse. Speak out now or forever hang your head in shame.
I'm about two thirds of the way through the book. It is a little disjointed, but RH does confirm just about everything we've ever discussed on here. Reading it is like watching a cancer grow under a microscope.
Kate knows what she's doing every step of the way. She'll use this book to play the victim herself. She won't be getting a pass from me.
The narcissist I knew said if she had to do all over again she would do it differently. I guess that was supposed to be an apology, whatever 'differently' was supposed to mean, but it's just what you can expect from a narcissist.
It meant nothing to her victims.
I see speculation regarding the HGH packaging and receipt. How perhaps Jon found it and hid it away.
I've got another scenario and if it's been offered up already, my apologies.
Perhaps Kate herself hung onto the package,etc with the thought that if for some reason the cycle they were going thru didn't work out as planned (resulting in more kids than one could shake a stick at........my bad!) or if she went into labor early-early and lost some/all, she would have record of where she'd been able to purchase the stuff previously.
I realize it is far fetched, but remember who we are talking about here. She lies about snow damaged trees for craps sake!!
I rarely look at Kate's twitter feed or numbers. Has anyone noticed if people are unfollowing her? Is that the term?
TLC Stinks, How so what? I think I'm missing something.
When I was applying for my dual citizenship, I was beside a girl in her 20s from Africa . She said she was warned to carry two handbags(one empty) in this country of mugging and a paper shredder for identity theft! Her mother wouldn't let her emigrate till she agreed!Wise mother.
Didnt kate say she was allergic to spray tans? (location 9379....I like page numbers- this is lame)
Also, I saw it twice that she had a trainer? IIRC, she said she never had one. Anyone remember?
Regarding Kate's lies about the conception of the sextuplets, there is video of Kate, hugely pregnant, on a table, presumably at a doctor's office, (right after they've learned how many eggs were fertilized, I think), saying to Jon bleating "Do you forgive me, honey?" in saccharine tones.
I knew at that moment that she'd lied about the conception. I didn't realize she'd repeated the moment in a couch discussion.
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Your first paragraph doesn't make sense. Kate would not be hugely showing on the Dr.'s table right after she found out she was pregnant. And they were not filming then.
But during their first or second TV special(can't remember which of the two) "Surviving Sextuplets and Twins" in 2005 /2007 Kate is sitting next to Jon and asks him that very question. This was before "Jon and Kate Plus 8" was even a TV show. Jon answered that he was not mad.
But how does Robert know exactly when Kate shot herself with that shot that she ordered through the internet? I believe Kate did order it and did shoot herself, but how can Robert know exactly when she did this?
Since Kate is not the only guest on Katie Couric's show, I don't think they will be addressing the book. These are the other guests scheduled to appear:
Kate Gosselin; Abby Lee Miller ("Dance Moms"); the cast of "Gold Rush"; Theresa Caputo ("Long Island Medium").
It's only an hour show and the subject is Reality TV.
I wonder if Abby Lee Miller knows about Kate's tweet about Dance Moms?
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@Kateplusmy8 would you ever sign them up to dance ? Could you be a "dance mom?" LOL! Happy Sunday!
Kate Gosselin
@xxxx um dance.. Yes. Um those horrible Dance moms? never ever ever!
I think Robert may have been referring to media trainers not physical trainers.
Kat: Kate is greedy. She wants and craves attention. Even when she BS about the paps, she loves when they are around.
Sweet tart: That's what I said on other thread: My brother drummed into me about computers & cell phones: either erase the hard drive or destroy it, cause even erasing the hard drive does not really erase everything, my brother says to destroy it. Same with cell phones, make sure you erase the memory. Kates an idiot, we hear about ID theft all the time, so what does stupid, airhead, bleach brain damaged Kate does, throw important info in the trash. Journals, diaries, tax papers, doctor receipts, stuff they tell you to shred, CD's with info on them, your suppose to destroy them. Hey Kate why don't you do a CC blog on ID theft, oh forgot, Kate does not like doing research(said so on previous CC blog, the one about the coupon/newsflash), too much work.
I don't recall Kate having a trainer on the show or any other mention of it. Jon did- he called her Fuzzy Bunny since she was friendly and nicer than Kate as he told Kate-her name was Karen and she had terrific muscle tone!(When one of the boys met her, he said his name was "daddy's son.")Kate would harangue Jon about his weight and exercising all the time and not let him eat what he wanted. In the book, he apparently lied about eating lunch out, Kate was so intimidating about it- whether the money or calories or both idk.
What I am curious about, will her "pay-to-blog" twitters continue to work for her if they are truly anti-abortion? Will working for Kate, and MONEY come before their religious values?
Did the guy that got her pregnant talk...hmmm. Her family talk?
First of all I am a dog lover but why do I have the feeling that if "something" happened to Shoka there will be some people more upset about the dog than the abuse the children have suffered.
Some of the comments I have read in response to items on gossip sites, indicate a lot of people seem to be o.k. with "the spoon". The reporting seems to dwell on "the spoon" while ignoring the other, in my opinion, much worse pulling a child up by the hair and tossing him in his crib in order to keep him safe from his mother (in her own words).
I have a sinking feeling that some of these comments indicating people who approve of "the spoon" will be outraged if "something" has happened to Shoka.
Now that I know that CPS have been advised about the children, I hope SPCA officials are looking into Shoka's well being.
I hope I've made myself clear - as a dog lover, my first concern will always be with the children.
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I checked my Directv show descriptions for the 10/3 Katie Couric show. It only had the other two people listed as guests, not Kate. And it wasn't due to lack of space, either. Hmm ...
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Thanks, Maggie. I was wondering if there might be other types of trainers, too. If it was a media trainer, well, Kate is a bad student, LOL
Catherine said... 153
I burned a copy of the book on a CD. It works great.
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How would I do that if I have it on my Kindle?
Sweet Tart said... 158
I see Kate's tweet about Coupon Cabin donating to the Susan G. Komen Foundation. I hope this doesn't stir up any firestorm here (not intended), but I absolutely refuse to have anything to do with that Foundation due to their de-funding of Planned Parenthood's cancer screening services. I also disapprove of the way they spend the donations they receive. So Coupon Cabin being coordinated with the Komen Foundation goes a long way in explaining to me why they hired Kate and continue to keep her on their payroll.
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I have problems with SGK too but mostly because I resent the huge portion of the attention and funding they get when it comes to cancer. There are a lot more hard-to-detect cancers that get little attention/funding. My aunt died last year of lung cancer and never smoked a day in her life though her father did. Probably second hand smoke. My friend lost her son to pediatric cancer this year. It has been decades since any major developments in treatment of some pediatric cancers have been made. I really get sickened by all the pink by the end of October.
Amazon Takes Tell-All e-Book About Kate Gosselin Off the Market After Lawyers Claim Copyright Issues
Posted Oct 1, 2012 1:36 PM CDT
By Martha Neil
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A tell-all e-book about reality television starlet Kate Gosselin has been removed from sale by Amazon after only a couple of days on the market.
The action followed a letter from entertainment law firm Lavely & Singer which asserted copyright infringement, reports the Daily Mail. Williams & Connolly also sent a cease-and-desist letter on behalf of Discovery Communications Inc.
Author Robert Hoffman based much of his book, Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled The World, on a computer hard drive he said he found in a dumpster dive that contained a treasure trove of personal information including contracts, photographs and tax records. He covered Gosselin regularly, as a freelance reporter for Us Weekly, when the TLC program Jon & Kate Plus 8 was at the height of its popularity.
In a letter to Hoffman, Amazon said it is investigating claims that material in the book "may not be properly authorized by the appropriate rights holder.'
Additional coverage:
Radar Online: "Vitriolic Book About Kate Gosselin Written By Jon’s Pal Removed From Sale After Legal
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/amazon_takes_tell-all_ebook_about_kate_gosselin/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Bwahaha! She's calling the dance moms " those" terrible moms? Gos she repulses me.
abc said... 166
aggiemom 148.
Did this.
Right now when I open the file it opens up in Kindle.
If and when Kindle decides to delete the book how would we open it? I have a techno headache.
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If I understand what you said, your kindle on your pc still has the book, correct? (mine does as well). Since some were speculating Amazon might delete our gosselin book, I copied it to my flashdrive. This is a good way to store pics, music, books, movies in case your computer crashes. I can plug my flashdrive into ANY computer and read the book...if I wanted to. I read some of it, skimmed some of it. Tried to go back and really read it word for word, but everytime I pull it up, I just can't make myself read it. It's so horrible how these kids (and dogs,and anyone else in her path) were and are treated.
I am no tech person, so if I figured it out, anyone can,lol.
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Localyocul, I don't have a Kindle but I have the app on my laptop. I found the book in my Documents & clicked on burn to disc. I'm sorry, that's the limit of my knowledge.
Some of Kate's fans are tweeting with Deanna. I can't see Deanna's tweets but by their responses she must have said something about RH peeking under a door at her. Now they're all insinuating RH looks under doors at girls and that he is a peeping tom. Why doesn't Deanna put on her big girl pants and unlock her account and make those allegations?
Bearswife, go into your documents & you'll find the book contents in there. At the top of the page you shou'd see "Burn to Disc". I inseted a disc & hit Burn & it went on my disc in seconds.
Is anyone else having trouble correcting typos? I tried to fix inseted into inserted & it won't let me. It's been happening a lot.
Formerly Duped said... 126
I'd be mightily annoyed if I had a child in that school and the Gs still got a tuition break.
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I suspect there is a population within the school's framework that is mightily annoyed the Gs are simply enrolled. For that kind of money, I would be annoyed with all the drama Katie Irene brings.
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I have a sinking feeling that some of these comments indicating people who approve of "the spoon" will be outraged if "something" has happened to Shoka.
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My guess on the dog is that he changed custody with the children for a while (traveled back and forth) then just stayed at Jon's permanently.
So the sheeple are claiming that Robert's book is a pack of lies made up by a stalker tabloid reporter. How do they explain the documents, contracts, letters, confidentiality agreements, etc.? Robert invented all of these, knows the legalese and was able to sit down and concoct all of this? That must have taken him months and months, considering that he is not an attorney!
It's no wonder that Discovery is upset about trade secrets, especially in light of the way they orchestrated the divorce...who was to file, how to announce it, and basically engineered the entire thing.
I am worried about the kids and Robert.
We can't check on the kids, but Robert, if you are around, are you ok?
The Bitter End 193
My guess on the dog is that he changed custody with the children for a while (traveled back and forth) then just stayed at Jon's permanently.
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That makes sense! I hope so, Kate's not an animal person.
Gee, what happened to the non-stop tweeting??? Her fans neeedddd to hear alllll about her neewwww chickennsss.....lol
What? no bus stop banter? no bread pics?
Instead of buying a meat slicer she should have purchased a commercial paper shredder. (Think she is looking for one that shreds paper plates too?haha)
Why would Kate throw away important documents such as this? Journal notes, e-mails, contracts, and everything else that included so much important information on her life, and on everything that transpired during that period...accidental or deliberate? I just can't imagine anyone discarding the wealth of information that the book contains. Wouldn't you want a record of all of this?
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I am the first one to say when I am wrong. (actually the 2nd one, as HunnyBunny or one of the kids usually point it out to me in fast order).
No National Kumquat week, as I had predicted; today is vera bradley. SOMEONE is finally doing her job for the way it was meant to be done in the first place.
Someone upthread said something Kate's surgery in April 09 and her claiming she had a dent in her leg fixed....dent in her leg is Katespeak for liposuction for cellulite. I think that she had liposucition in addition to having those huge tracks of land implanted.
Anybody see this in the Big Dreams chapter?
And, last but not least, We RESOLVE to have regular meals with limo escort for further “business meetings.” Regards and Thanks, Kirk
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 17985-17992). . Kindle Edition.
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Who is the "limo escort" that needs to be at business meetings? Steve?
butterfly said... 174
Didnt kate say she was allergic to spray tans? (location 9379....I like page numbers- this is lame)
Also, I saw it twice that she had a trainer? IIRC, she said she never had one. Anyone remember?
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I read that too. She did get a spray tan at least once during Dancing With The ShoppingKarts, and the book did have a document about a physical trainer, and how she wouldnt be able to do any strength training for filming until after April 30, 2009, due to her 'surgery'; what ever that meant.
And I too recall her saying publically she was NOT orange from sprays because she was 'allergic' to it.
abc said... 166
aggiemom 148.
Did this.
Right now when I open the file it opens up in Kindle.
If and when Kindle decides to delete the book how would we open it? I have a techno headache.
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Did anyone else see the list of conditions she had before she would agree to "ACCEPT" (kate's word) free suites at Essex House hotel? It included a very detailed menu for a week of what she wanted. i mean detailed. Homemade macaroni and cheese using small shells pasta and white mild cheddar cheese... her demands included many items for the kids both menu, toys etc; and also layout and placement of suites.
Apparently a "leg dent" is a common occurrence after liposuction.
From a lip forum:
I had lipo a little over 2 months ago. I am thrilled with the results however my inner thighs have large dents.
Apparently the "fix" for the leg dents are not permanent. They only last 5-6 months, and then you have to have them re-done.
More ways for her to run thru the kids' money, I guess.
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