According to author Robert Hoffman, who says he is in possession of notes and diaries that Kate used to write Multiple Blessings and Eight Little Faces, Kate wrote entry after entry about disiplining the kids.
The entries include:
- Kate used a wooden spoon she called "The Spanker" to discipline the kids for transgressions as minor as climbing out of their cribs or potty training issues.
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| A wooden spoon was indeed spotted more than once in the pocket of their car door. |
- Kate, in her own words "lost it" when Collin ate some M&Ms without permission.
- Kate “felt like I may hurt his children.”
- Kate preferred the kids out of sight when she was upset where they would be "safe"
- When Collin threw a tantrum, Kate says she “sent him to his crib and whipped him into it very hard...I never felt that I may really seriously injure a child, but today was that day.”
"You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs," the ex-employee reported.
Kate has never denied the allegations in the interview.
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I've seen some bad parenting, but WHO spanks two year old's for...well, anything.
Slightly off topic. It makes us look stupid when obsessed tweeters pop in with inaccurate facts. In this case the bodyguard story. Is it too much to ask that people check facts before posting?
Admin should interview Hoffman asap. That would be very fun to read!
LEGAL QUESTION: If the way someone obtains information is illegal, does it then become illegal to publish it?
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You're pretty much protected up the wazoo when you're reporting child abuse.
You could have been wire tapping someone's entire house illegally, break in and trash the place and hack all the computers, but as long as you did it to expose child abuse, no one will touch you.
This is the one area where Robert Hoffman isn't going to have to worry. Especially in light of recent events in that very state. Can you imagine PA after the Sandusky thing trying to punish someone for reporting abuse? Ain't gonna happen.
Honestly,I'm move than a little peeved right now. There are so many people here who could have stepped forward to do the right thing, including Jon. There is no way that Beth, Jon, Jodi, Ashley etc. did not know what was going on. Yet not one word was said except by an ex-employee of TLC? Really, Jon, why not report Kate and get full custody of the kids? Ashley, you said on the RV episode that you would do anything to protect "these kids" but yet you did nothing. Thankfully, none of these kids were seriously injured or killed during the making of their TLC show -- and TLC had to know what was going on.
Marie
Remember the National Enquirer article of June, 2009:
Kate was “short-fused and demanding,” according to the source, and while off-camera, she often disciplined the children in a very harsh, sometimes even violent, manner.
“When one of the boys closed a door on another one once, Kate got in their faces and yelled, ‘You tell me the truth about what happened!’” the source revealed.
“The children just stood there, terrified. Then she dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic mixing spoon.
“You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs. People told me it happened more than once, but it was off-camera because Kate didn’t want it in the show.
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Nothing came of this, did it? But I bet Robert interviewed this person (nanny).
And by the way, why didn't someone back up the TLC employee when those allegations were made?
Marie
Moved over from previous thread:
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 117
Yes, the kids deserve to know the truth. Just maybe not at their present ages of 8 and 12. How about when THEY are ready or maybe when they reach the legal age of 18 or 21?
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It's a fair point, but by that age, no one really won't care.
I don't think anyone knows the answer to this. But when it's a case of exposing the truth versus shutting up so no one is hurt, I'm going to pick the truth every single time out of the gate.
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That is your right, but I sincerely hope you never again claim to give a crap about these children, since you have chosen "exposing the truth" over what is in their best interest.
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As someone who was a formerly abused child, I can tell you that, for some children, this kind of exposure is exactly what they need in order to put their lives into perspective and move forward.
For many of us, the moment we realize that others understand that what our parents did was wrong is a revelation. Children assume that what their parents do is normal, and that they "deserve" the abuse. It's all they know.
For some of those kids, if not all, this documentation will be a validation, and key to building healthy future lives.
The moment I realized that others knew how crazy my mother was was life-changig for me. It had never crossed my mind that I wasn't the one who was nuts. At that point, I was able to begin to put my life together.
This situation isn't nearly as black and white as some are trying to make it. Truth is ALWAYS better than allowing falsehoods and misrepresentations to stand.
If Kate is the only one who writes the history of those children, it will all be lies, and the children will spend their entire lives trying to reconcile what they KNOW when on with the LIES Kate and TLC perpetuated. That's a terrible, soul-numbing way to exist.
This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach. *We* (Dwindle and myself, she gave me POA), always knew she was harsh with these kids, but beating 2 yr olds and picking them up by their hair is abuse. I honestly feel sick to my stomach. I hope those kids are going to their dads tonight. YOU HEAR ME JON????
KATE, WHAT SAY YOU????
Marie 5
You want to know the real sad reason? Money. TLC was making it hand over fist and there was no way they were about to give it up. Now, that is reality. :(
How could Jon have left his children with this crazy bitch during the divorce? Her anger and violence must have been through the roof at that time.
Sorry, but I can't help but have almost an equal amount of disgust with Jon right now. He went out and lived his twenties knowing who he was leaving those children with.
no words. well, some said... 167
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I'm sorry, and thank you for sharing. You sound like you've done a lot of healing and I agree that exposing this abuse is truly in the kids' best interest.
Many have asked people here why we talk about this and what will the kids think? Same reason: the core issue is that maybe we can effect changes in filming laws when it comes to protecting children in reality tv and we want the kids to know that no matter what we think of their mom, we have always had protecting their privacy at heart.
So, when they hopefully begin to question how Kate (and Jon) chose to sacrifice their childhoods and privacy for money, there were people out there who thought it wrong.
Validation.
Validate the 8!
Marie, looks like the CA's and people wanting to keep their jobs took priority over what was really going on. Beth Carson may have finally come forward to Robert, and maybe some of the TLC crew who have left the company.
Well, I feel so good that after all these years of us just using our common sense and keeping our eyes and ears open, Kate has done herself in with her very own words. Sweet, sweet justice.
Can I just express my shock again that anyone, anyone, especially after what's happened in Pennsylvania, would have the gall to suggest that child abuse should not be exposed because it might hurt the kids?
I cannot believe anyone still feels that way. I really cannot. What will it take? Does Sandusky have to rape an entire high school before people understand that child abuse should not be kept secret?
It's because of people like THAT that the good people of Pennsylvania felt so uncomfortable reporting abuse after abuse. We should all as moral human beings be behind an open and honest dialogue in which these kinds of things are encouraged and supported, not lambasted.
I bet it was reported to TLC what was going on. This is a scandal.
This falls in2 the category 'the things we do for our kids' (& their 'nature bake sale' for extra credit at school!) http://img.ly/nNnp
Well, the witch just posted this. She's making cookies.
My heart is pounding and I feel nauseated. she's making and twitting cookie pics.
On the previous post, someone said they wondered if Robert Hoffman was on the west coast based on the time of his blog posts. That's a possibility, but also you can write blog posts and then schedule them to be posted at specific times, so I'm guessing that's what he's done. He's probably had these posts locked and loaded for a while now, just waiting to get to pull the trigger!!
I think that someone should re-interview the TLC employee who came forward before. If this is true, some of these beatings were caught on tape but not shown in the show. TLC should be held accountable also.
Marie
Kate is tweeting. Nothing happening here. She has been immune to any kind of scrutiny before. She probably thinks she will continue to rise above this. I sincerely hope not.
Marie
Some might say that Jon did his level best, given the constraints of the court system.
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He betrayed his kids' best interests when he called Kate a "good mother." There's blood on Jon's hands, too, if only for that one remark.
Oh, and remember when Deanna sat on Twitter for a couple of days, defending Kate's parenting? You'd have to plaster on a ton of makeup to hide the mask of shame she must surely be wearing this morning.
Well, the witch just posted this. She's making cookies.
My heart is pounding and I feel nauseated. she's making and twitting cookie pics.
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Damage control.
Deflect, deny, misdirection.
Beating? What?
Bill Blankenship? Never heard of him.
Anonymous said... 155
That is your right, but I sincerely hope you never again claim to give a crap about these children, since you have chosen "exposing the truth" over what is in their best interest.
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As a child who was abused, I would have given anything, anything at all, for someone to step in and stop the abuse. Many people, including relatives knew, and no one did anything. To this day, no one can give me an explanation as to why - not family, friends, the church, the school. All I've heard is 'it wasn't our business'. I'm so saddened to read about what these children have endured and probably continue to endure and I'm glad this is being exposed. Yes, the truth hurts but beatings along with emotional abuse hurts a hell of a lot more. Good for Robert Hoffman and good for this blog!
She is such a POS! Baking cookies "for her kids". Sick woman.
I bet she has the interviews lined up to respond. She is probably giddy with the publicity.
Baking cookies......she is one sick son of a bitch....
Moi: so far, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said on this thread!
Jon has accountability here. THERE ARE NO EXCUSES. And you can't tell me he had their best interests in mind when he MOVED TO NEW YORK and was flitting off to France with the Ed Hardy guy.
How heartless & rage-filled does Kate gets to lift a 2-year-old child by his hair, drag him by the hair and go psycho like that? This just turns my stomach! I'm worried about these kids...why will Jon not stand up to her about the beatings?
How is a beating from their own mother in the best interest of the kids"????? Waiting for an answer please.....
I also suspect this info is ultimately why Jon shut his twitter down, because he knew there'd be a hell of a backlash against him when this was revealed.
Dear god I knew Kate didn't have a maternal bond with the kids.
But I never thought she could do something like this to the kids.
There's a hug difference between chastising and beating.
Seems like Kate is beating or abusing the poor defenseless kids.
It's no wonder why Kate & her lawyers want to shut Robert up.
What if this is just the beginning Kate maybe more of a monster.
Than any of us ever thought her to be.
Kate will reuse her remarks in response to getting caught spanking Leah:
“Whether the paparazzi are there or not, I am a mother first. I love my children and when they misbehave, I discipline them as I deem appropriate for the situation.”
Blech.
There is no reason to carry a wooden spoon in your car unless you plan on using it to extend your reach while sitting in the front...
Admin - I'm a little lost. Where did you get the info that you posted? Is it public already or did Mr Hoffman give it to you?
Wonder if this is when she hands the kids over to Jon permanently. It's been obvious for years that she can't stand being around them.
She never wanted to be known as a mother. She wanted celebrity, money, and what she though of as luxury. Having multiples was only the means to an end. As of today, those kids are no earthly use to her.
CBS News has the story:
CBS 21 News @CBS21NEWS
"Did Kate Gosselin hit her children with a wooden spoon? "
And this is the first volley from Robert. Everyday there will be a new relevation. Drip, drip, drip.
I'm thinking Beth is the one who gave him the notes. She was the one who wrote Multiple Blessings and would have had access to the notes.
-Heather
No wonder Kate has been tweeting about how much she loves her kids lately and how much they love her and her frekking miracle breadcrumbs, sprinting with her... blah blah blah.
Typical child abuser. "It made them better people. See how much they love me?"
Anon for this @ 20 - I TOTALLY, ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!
CBS story:
"Did Kate Gosselin hit her children with a wooden spoon?"
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/Did-Kate-Gosselin-hit-her-children-with-a-wooden/TS2pXo38cESeU9TriTcC7Q.cspx?rss=50
Blessed To Be Mediocre Mother said... 31
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/09/kate-gosselin-discipline-babies-wooden-spoons-claims-reporter-robert-hoffman
How effing humiliating......shes all over the place....well she does want to be talked about......you got what you wanted...
CBS story is just the Radar story. What is needed are real people to come forward and back up what Robert wrote.
Reading Kate's tweet about making cookies, how about it falls under the category "it makes me happy to make cookies for my kids"?
Home all day making cookies. I bet lots of moms sitting at a desk or writing papers or tending to patients would love to trade 'ya.
If Steve did move on looks like he needs to come back.
Maybe he and Jon are the only one's that can keep the 8 safe from monster Kate.
TLC stinks said... 40
CBS story is just the Radar story. What is needed are real people to come forward and back up what Robert wrote.
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I was just noting that a "mainstream" news affiliation picked up the story.
I just have to wonder were the beatings imposted only on the tups? It sounds only the tups got the burden of her anger and rage. Now I'm wondering about the scabs and broken bones some of the children has exhibited. Cara had a sprained ankle. Collin had a broken arm. Aaden had stratches on his forehead. Is there any more photo evidence of other 'injuries'?
And the broken house items Kate mentioned on twitter having to order? I wonder if that was her doing? Does she break stuff around the house too?
Why would the hell she beat a child into his crib?
All the unicorns, rainbows and candy baby talk she spit on twitter---all an act!
This is SO UNBELIEVEABLE!!!
Her 6 fans can't defend this so they'll deny it's true or ignore it.
Marie 3 -- We don't know that Beth, Jon, Jodi, Ashley, etc. did nothing. They didn't go to the tabloids, but that doesn't mean they did nothing. We don't KNOW what, if anything they did.
I'm just absolutely shaken after reading that ROL story. We all speculated that she was abusing the kids. We even made little jokes about the "red spoon", but to see the extent of it, and in her own words, I'm just gobsmacked. I'm tempted to go against my principles and call her a *ucking #unt instead of a bucking bunt, and the f-bomb is something I never drop. Seriously, I don't know whether to scream, cry or throw things, or maybe all 3. NO ONE in this drama -- KK, Jon, other family members, TLC, Steve -- NO ONE is going to come out of this looking good.
aggiesmom -- The game night show and the injured child was Cara and it was her ankle/foot that was injured. There were stories and speculation during the Alaska trip that KK had injured Mady's arm. IDK if anything was ever confirmed officially, but that "famous" picture of Mady standing apart and crying while the rest of them were grinning ear to ear added some fuel to the fire at the time.
If even half of what Robert Hoffman has in the rest of the book is the caliber of this story, there's going to be Hell to pay somewhere, and I hope it starts in the compound and for a certain grifty gestational carrier.
Am I the only one NOT shocked by this? I mean Im shocked that anyone could lose it at a baby/toddler but the fact that she did doesn't surprise me in the least. We have seen her lack of bond..throwing sick kids on a cold floor. We have seen her temper. I one of the clips I was watching..Farm to Table I think she talks about how necessary it is to have helpers during dinner time homework time shower time and bedtime "for safety purposes." ThatsPoor what sheI said. "ForThatsPoor safety ourposes". Yeah so she didn't lose it and injure a child.
TLC stinks said... 40
CBS story is just the Radar story. What is needed are real people to come forward and back up what Robert wrote.
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You're so right. Or else the story should also state that Kate tried to get it stopped but couldn't because the author could back up his claims with proof.
I hope TLC gets what's coming to them at some point. They knew they had all the power with Kate and instead of seeing that she got help, they enabled her and turned their backs on those kids. Even if Steve was hired to essentially protect the kids from their mom, there is no way you can protect kids from their mom 24/7.
It just keeps getting sadder.
readerlady (46) Ditto! I'm speechless so I'm glad you said it for me.
Remember when I shared my source said Kate was physically abused as a kid? Just putting it out there, but abuse tends to be generational. Children abused as kids who never properly deal with it often end up abusing their own kids. Cycle of violence.
AuntieAnn said... 36
No wonder Kate has been tweeting about how much she loves her kids lately and how much they love her and her frekking miracle breadcrumbs, sprinting with her... blah blah blah.
Typical child abuser. "It made them better people. See how much they love me?"
Anon for this @ 20 - I TOTALLY, ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!
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Thank you, Auntie! The abuse happened when I was a child and ended only when my father died when I was 23. I'm now 63 and remember it like it happened yesterday. An intervention by anyone would have lessened the pain which is why I'm so glad these abuse allegations are coming to light. The kids and Jon and others are going to have a tough time for awhile though :(
Admin- ask your source how many times CPS have received reports on Kate. (I know of two.) CPS has definitely been involved but Kate manages to skate under the radar.
Ahh, Unfortunately I see now. Thank you very much Chefsummer!
This is heartbreaking! All of us on this blog treat our pets better than those children are treated. Last Friday my little yorkie accidently vomitted on my comforter and I just got it back from the dry cleaners (it was a king size and wouldn't fit in my washer). I was irritated, but not at him. Poor little guy couldn't help it. Can you imagine what she would have done to one of "my 8"???
http://m.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/09/exclusive-jon-gosselin-threatened-report-kate-child-protective-services-unless
Hope this opens..was not openable on my phone. Madys injured arm
This is true-and I have a solid source. Admin, check with your source to see if I am right.
Steve is allowed to spank those kids. The babysitters are also allowed to spank them.Pretty much everyone near them is allowed to hit them.
This sounds like Kate to me.
http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docs_menu/preventing_child_abuse_and_neglect/what_is_child_abuse/signs_of_abuse.html
I do remember reports that Mady's arm was injured in Alaska. I think it was the Nat. Enquirer that had the story.
The NE also reported that Kate left after 2 hours and I thought, no way! She left filming? With Sarah Palin? And threw fits? Nah, can't be true.
But it was, so I'm going to believe that she hurt Mady. And it really comports with how intensely the Palin men were trying to engage the children. Keep them away from miserable Kate.
Only Palin's little girl ventured over to Kate and she was really sorry that she did.
Celebitchy.com brings up the Intouch article when Kate was caught spanking Leah. Author thinks Jon supplied diaries to Robert. Thinks that spanking with a spoon is too harsh for 2yr. old.
I'm not surprised to see these revelations coming out. Everyone talks about how Kate is a narcissist, but to my mind the more relevant trait in her is sociopathy. A while back, I saw a special on Diane Downs, noted sociopath/narcissist, and the similarities between her and Kate were absolutely chilling. Check out these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6bTpzfC6mg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sxm6gROxcQ&feature=relmfu
Also, I've seen many people counter criticism against Kate with the argument, "no one is a perfect parent." That's true, but how many people build an entire business based on their identity as a (good) mother? That's what Kate did and *that* is where she is a total fraud.
So glad to see this has now reached the media.
Shocking revelation about the child abuse, but was it really so shocking? I'm not surprised at all, considering what we saw all these years and were quite aware she has rage issues.
Bake those cookies, Kate. Dream of unicorns and rainbows. Your twelve fans will protect you. lol
as a survivor of child abuse (although in my case it was more emotional than physical) this brings up so many ghosts for me - so many emotions. so much self-doubt, so much guilt and pain and anger. It took me decades to forgive my mother, and to this day I still have issues with authority and trust.
I hate that we as viewers were complicit in this abuse because we enabled it to whatever extent by buying into the lies, and I hate that the industry protects abusers and exploiters because they can make money from them. This is not gossip and jealousy - this is complacency and the basis of evil - what can be worst than harming children for no good reason except that you can make money of it and lying about it.
Everyone involved said... 55
This is true-and I have a solid source. Admin, check with your source to see if I am right.
Steve is allowed to spank those kids. The babysitters are also allowed to spank them.Pretty much everyone near them is allowed to hit them.
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This is so wrong on so many levels. What is the matter with this woman??
localyocul said... 47
Am I the only one NOT shocked by this? I mean Im shocked that anyone could lose it at a baby/toddler but the fact that she did doesn't surprise me in the least. We have seen her lack of bond..throwing sick kids on a cold floor. We have seen her temper.
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No, you're not alone on this. I believe that you are in the majority.
Oh, and Bubbles...thanks for clarifying. I now know it was Jon in the Ed Hardy attire that is to blame for Katie Irene beating the kids. I can die happy now.
Steve is allowed to spank those kids. The babysitters are also allowed to spank them.Pretty much everyone near them is allowed to hit them.
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Totally believe that. There was a pap shot of the kids playing in the driveway and Jamie was watching them from a white throne. She grabbed one of the kids by the arms and looked like she was going to throttle her.
Administrator...Haven't read any of the comments yet but have question: Can confidentiality agreements be waived and can they have an expiration date?
Sorry, it was one of the boys, and another is screaming while grabbing his shoulder.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=jamie+ayers+kate+gosselin+kids&um=1&hl=en&client=safari&sa=N&rls=en&biw=1066&bih=473&tbm=isch&tbnid=427rOeNdTLimsM:&imgrefurl=http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/kate-hires-her-best-friend-babysit-kids&docid=8locHjK49xgq5M&imgurl=http://www.radaronline.com/sites/default/files/photos/image_20091009/INFphoto_1082044.jpg&w=275&h=316&ei=AjZjUOaUBo7O0QHNlYDIAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=551&vpy=131&dur=310&hovh=196&hovw=176&tx=112&ty=206&sig=112932503538722857003&page=2&tbnh=134&tbnw=130&start=14&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:14,i:131
According the Haley Glassman, Mady told Jon that Kate injured her arm and Jon used it as leverage to bribe Kate and get money. He threatened to report her to CPS.
If this is true, those kids have no hope of protection.
I don't know...
Hey do not forget Kate squeezing Alexis shoulder on CBS morning show. She squeezed so hard I bet it left a bruise. It is captured on YouTube.
Did all those websites pay mady or madys mom for the photo of her legs in shoes?
we are complicit said...(61)
"I hate that we as viewers were complicit in this abuse because we enabled it to whatever extent by buying into the lies, and I hate that the industry protects abusers and exploiters because they can make money from them. This is not gossip and jealousy - this is complacency and the basis of evil - what can be worst than harming children for no good reason except that you can make money of it and lying about it."
I'm also a survivor of parental child abuse, both physical and emotional.
I'm sorry but I have to respectfully disagree that anyone merely watching the program on television is complicit.
Kate is the one who abused her children. We could no more enable her from that perspective than we could stop her.
Yes, the people who actually witnessed the abuse and said nothing or did nothing, especially those who continued to financially profit from it, are complicit.
But the viewing public, no way. Most of us here had at some point been highly suspicious and stopped watching. We found blogs where others shared our concerns and speculations and we added our voices to the chorus.
We cared enough to keep calling her out when most people stopped giving a shit altogether.
No way am I going to take any onus of responsibility for her beating the crap out of her kids when I was willing to publicly say, "I'm sure this has happened/is happening and somebody ought to do something about dammit!"
Finally somebody has. Robert Hoffman is a hero in my opinion.
Haley Glassman is bunting bunt but I do believe Kate has physically injured those kids.
At home today and only 1 Tweet today from Kate showing her fabulous mothering.
Hmmmm....
As a child who was abused, I would have given anything, anything at all, for someone to step in and stop the abuse. Many people, including relatives knew, and no one did anything.
To my family member....I would give *anything* to make it stop. And I have tried many times. CP will do nothing because it isn't abuse according to their definition.
The best I can do for you is to get you out of that house as much as I'm allowed to.
When you're 18, I will tell you how I tried to make it better for you, as did others, and the angst we suffered when we couldn't. And how we are threatened with never being allowed to see you again if we express our unhappiness with how you are treated. Which is not in your best interest. I need to be there to let you know that this isn't ok.
For right now the only choice I have is to love you as best I can and try to be a big part of your life. I want you to know that I love you with all of my heart, and that heart is breaking to be unable to help you more.
Perhaps her BFF Jamie did not not get custody of her kids because of abuse? It takes one to know one.
As much as I totally believe Kate would give others permission to spank the children, wouldn't it actually be illegal for them to do so if they are not the child's parent or guardian?
"The Bitter End": I didn't say Jon was to blame for beating them. I am saying Jon is to blame for NOT PROTECTING THEM. Are you saying it was ok for him to leave them there knowing she was abusing them?
I guess this explains why every meal is a "10" and the kids tell her "Thank you" so profusely over such mundane things.
I just have to wonder at the level of psychosis that allows you to abuse your children one minute and tweet about what a wonderful mother you are the next.
If Kate and TLC had brought this issue to the forefront at the height of her 'reality' show and showed her getting help ... think of all the parents they could have reached and helped.
'Love of the almighty dollar has ruined many people.'
When I was searching YouTube a while back I came across a video of G8 at a parade when tups were babies in the big stroller. One of the little girl tups put something in her mouth and when she didn't stop Kate pinched her arm...HARD! The poor baby grabbed her arm and wailed.
Secret2: No, the websites did not have to pay Mady or Kate for using that photo, as Kate posted it on twitter and made it public.
Oh lord, for real? Anyone was allowed to hit them?
I seriously want to puke now. Those poor kids. My empathy is in overdrive and I am on the verge of serious tears here.
I share the opinion that no matter what happens now, it can only be better for the children that the truth is out.
She can't hide from this and the onus should now be on her to prove that she doesn't still hit them.
Admin, do you think Robert's book is enough to get an investigation going to see just how safe those kids are?
Anonymous said... 35
I'm thinking Beth is the one who gave him the notes. She was the one who wrote Multiple Blessings and would have had access to the notes.
-Heather
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You may be right about this - she clearly had access. But then why, especially because she writes well and had all the information, didn't she write the book? LOL - answering my own question: because she wanted the kids to continue to trust her? We've heard her children attend school with the G8.
I continue to wonder if this might not be a long-planned strategic move to get the kids away from her.
AND I am most concerned if a book announcement comes out today that the kids are with Jon for the week. If those kids go home during the period of time the shit is hitting the fan, I worry for their safety.
Wouldn't be surprised if an announcement is made today and CPS lets Jon have them directly from school until a report is investigated. It sounds like a dangerous situation for them during this time.
To the poster who brought up the story about M's hurt arm in Alaska, things make a little more sense now I think. What if the carrier hurt the kid and steve had to get her away fast. didn't he take her for a couple of days to a lodge, away from the kids? There was some story there, but I don't know if the details were ever known.
She might have been pissy at the kids after losing her temper with M and didn't want to be there. Someone might have said 'stfu and stand there or we're calling CPS'..... Yes, it does explain why the Palin family were trying so hard to keep the kids engaged and away from her.
My mind wanders to OJ, and how he dealt with his rage.... very scary. Hope Jon has the kids now.
Of course, this is all my speculation and I could be way off base....
It's just profoundly sad that all this took place behind a curtain. It's fabulous that it's all coming out now. It will be wonderful if changes occur as a result of disclosure.
Hoosier Girl said...I just have to wonder at the level of psychosis that allows you to abuse your children one minute and tweet about what a wonderful mother you are the next.
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Exactly! She's been on a tear lately to tweet what a fabulous mother her kids think she is.
I believe the stories about the drinking are true.
Here is a picture of a wine bottle in Kate's bedroom.
http://img.ly/nEbt
Bubbles...They're BOTH scumbags....can we just leave it at that? Enough already.....We can only focus on one child abuser at a time....call me crazy...
Reading this morning, I think back to when Jon dropped the kids off at the gate and the kids screamed for him not to go. My heart aches for the children. They knew what they were going back to.
I have been a reader and commenter here for years. It is upsetting how rudely I get treated for voicing my opinion regarding Jon. I realize I am in the minority but why do I have to get snarky comments in reply when I say something negative about Jon? For the most part people are respectful of others on here but every time I post a negative opinion about Jon I have gotten rude responses. I don't have any desire to change anyone else's opinion about Jon but I do have the desire to be able to express my opinion freely on a blog that was designed on the premise of criticizing BOTH Gosselin parents for exploiting their children.
I do see that several other posters today have mentioned Jon has some responsibility in this issue, yet I am the only one who has received snarky commentary. I don't get it.
The journals exist too. According to Kate...
"All those nights when I sat completely exhausted at my laptop and could barely see the computer screen through my blurry eyes, I continued to journal and make notes of our daily, seemingly mundane lives. Even though I thought I'd remember what happened each day, it has gone by so quickly that many of the memories have all but faded. With each journal entry, each note, each event and conversation recorded, my kids will have a permanent reminder of my love for them during these early years" (I just want you to know, pg. 176).
Not sure the kids will feel the same about those journals, Kate! And I bet she is regretting having written them now!
Let's not argue among ourselves. We're ALL upset by what we've read today. Tempers may flare but we've always been on the same side.
During this time of acute stress and horrific revelations, it is very important for all of us to be especially cautious in how we phrase things when responding to each other.
This has brought emotions to the surface that are most distressing to bear. Especially since we've believed this has been going on long before this confirmation.
We're all on the same side here. We all are thinking of the kids' well-being and safety. Having differing opinions does not mean we can't be courteous and respectful.
I have long felt that something bad happened with the Palin's crossover show and that was it with TLC keeping KatePlus8. She must have been a nightmare with production and demands. I never bought into the explanation why Kate and kids went to stay at a lodge. I bet Palin, and I am not a fan, wanted her gone so they could film in peace.
Just for balance, that wine bottle in Kate's room was from their beach trip to Alabama. Kate tweeted it from vacation and she kept it because it's Cellar No. 8 wine.
The drinking stories may be true*, but that bottle is a memento.
*I thought in photos of Kate +8 filming in NYC she looked hungover as hell one morning when loading the kids into a van. She looked like something the cat dragged in.
Wow. I feel sick. How could she beat little children for nothing? I wonder if Leah's mysterious cut w that the twins discovered and Kate had no knowledge of, was from being whipped into bed and she hit her head on the frame?
Could the journals be what Jon was looking for when he broke into her PC?
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Yes! The interviewer was amazed K8 shushed them all with that and a look that could kill. I think it was the same day Mady was denied water
Bubbles, for what it's worth, I'm with you. We saw evidence that Jon knew Kate hurt Mady's arm (she was in a sling) and he used it to get money out of her. He knew, he had to know! We knew for God's sake. Jon knew.
Bubbles, I think you have gotten some flack because hating Jon has been the sheeples' MO. I agree he shares some responsibility, but I am not sure he was emotionally equipped to take on his abuser. He has matured and hopefully with counseling and family help can make it right for his children. We have to hope that some good will come out from Robert's book.
I think Beth would have done something as a caring Christian mother.Maybe she did and lawyers got Kate off? I don't think she would just hand over the journals.Plus they would not be updated- years have gone by- what have the kids suffered since?
Kate thinks Sarah Palin got her fired. Why? Because Sarah saw her abuse the kids. How else would she get her fired?
That wine is Kate's new wine of choice. She said so on Twitter. We don't know that bottle was a souvenier.
Beth was probably in a legal bind and could nothing. Frankly I got tired of people making up excuses for her not coming forward. She should have and maybe she did by helping Robert.
This is what Kate's so busy with.
http://img.ly/nNnp
No words. Those poor babies/kids.
I wonder if there is film of the incident in Alaska that has been alluded to.
Could be that's why TLC decided to cut her loose and left steve to watch over the kids.... I wonder what is on the cutting room floor that we'll never see.
I'm interested to see if Jon will give a comment on this story. I'm certain his phone will be ringing off the hook.
I had also heard CPS has been called but nothing came of it. I just don't like the implication everyone around did nothing because I'm sure everyone around knew CPS had been tried.
I ask this seriously. If you went to CPs and they did nothing, then you went to family law court and they at most will give you 50-50 what does a parent do beyond that aside from vigilantism? There are only a few channels to take legally to stop abuse and if those fail, you're out of luck.
I know some people here have run into dead ends with CPS and I can only imagine how frustrating. The last thing they need is to be blamed for doing nothing. It's not their fault CPS won't get involved. Remember shoddy parenting is legal.
Can ya'll image if it was Jon doing all of this and not Kate?
Kate and her The sheep and internet would be all over him.
TLC owns what is on the cutting room floor, so we will never see it. I bet there was plenty. Many hours of filming and she still came off looking like a bunting bunt. Either it was really, really bad or the producer (s) decided to let people see snips of the truth.
I wonder if Robert interviewed Kevin and Jodi?
This sounds like it has been going on for years. Jon just got 50/50 custody. If Jon would have pursued the charges of child abuse, he would have received custody much sooner. There is no excuse for this. I'm not giving anyone a pass.
Admin, I can't believe you are saying to give up if you tried CPS and they failed to act. If that's what you are implying? What if everyone did that? I'm not buying it.
Shoddy parenting is legal but child abuse is not. Does this fall under child abuse?
Marie
For the record..I think Jon is a close second to Kate..for different reasons...We don't know whats going on behind the scenes...Its not that easy to award full custody to the father...I do think hes been doing whatever he can. He did get 50/50. She has some powerful lawyers..but I do think the tides are turning now....it can be a long torturous process..Maybe he HAS called CPS. Hard to get kids away from a mother...
TLC Stinks . . . TLC does own the footage, but there are employees there who can be subpoened to tell what they saw.
Marie
Bubbles, you are not alone.
I view Jon as only slightly better than Kate. I gave up on expressing my thoughts for a while because I got tired of being called a sheeple.
Jon was fully aware of what his wife did during their marriage and he knew that leaving would make the situation far worse.
Both of them make me sick.
Anon for this said... 20
''As a child who was abused, I would have given anything, anything at all, for someone to step in and stop the abuse. Many people, including relatives knew, and no one did anything. To this day, no one can give me an explanation as to why - not family, friends, the church, the school. All I've heard is 'it wasn't our business'. I'm so saddened to read about what these children have endured and probably continue to endure and I'm glad this is being exposed. Yes, the truth hurts but beatings along with emotional abuse hurts a hell of a lot more. Good for Robert Hoffman and good for this blog!''
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Without reading the rest of the postings, I won't be anon....I will say that I had the very same experience as you did. Everyone knew...no one did a thing. Years later, I asked so many people why they didn't help, and over and over, I got the same response you did...''it wasn't our business''.
I'm now wondering if Jon leaving wasn't an effort on his part to reduce Kate's anger at him, therefore reducing in some way Kate taking out her anger on those children. We have discussed over and over the difference in the way the children interact with Jon...open and loving and hanging all over him, accepting his hugs and kisses. Contrast that with the quiet, sullen, always on guard way they are around their mother.
I don't doubt for one second that Jon tried to get it stopped, but as Admin has said over and over, it isn't illegal in that state. Time to pressure the state to change those laws!!
I'm haunted by that video of Jon dropping off the kids when they were screaming for him.
Also the words from the Phil Collins song keep playing in my head.
"I was there and I saw what you did..."
Marie what you're not understanding is that under PA law this is not child abuse. No, Jon would not have gotten custody sooner if he pursued it or not. It wouldn't have made a difference. In any case for all we know he already laid this all out for the judge to know, he'd be nuts not to.
I am by no means saying give up if CPS won't get involved but how do you know anyone gave up? From what I've heard Jon and friends and family have all been very supportive, nurturing of the kids, providing the best environment possible. I haven't heard any recent reports of abuse. The kids went to counseling, even Kate admits that but I can promise Jon drove that train not Kate. A therapist is obligated to report, so if the kids said anything it WAS reported. And finally just because someone didn't lose their kids doesn't mean they weren't required by the courts and CPS to make big changes or else. Stop assuming things we don't know.
Kate Tweeted...
"This falls in2 the category 'the things we do for our kids' (& their 'nature bake sale' for extra credit at school!)"
No amount of what you do "FOR" your kids is going to make up for what you've done "TO" them, Kate.
You knew you were losing it on little babies and instead of getting help you hid it and you got your lawyers to go after anyone who might expose the abuse.
Your love of money has always usurped your love (if any even exists) for your children.
Whatever pity I ever had, in whatever amount, for whatever reason, has completely disappeared.
I sincerely hope those children are removed completely from your care, you are forced to relinquish any of their monies that you have "in holding", pay child support and for their therapy and that any visitation you get is limited and closely monitored.
Nothing can justify Jon leaving his children with an abuser so he could go play and party.
Nothing.
Perhaps Jon got 50/50 custody because he presented abuse evidence to the judge? Maybe some of the kids were able to voice about what is happening at the Konpound? I would love for it to come out officially he has 50/50.
Tucker's Mom said... 103
I'm interested to see if Jon will give a comment on this story. I'm certain his phone will be ringing off the hook.
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He recently came out and stated that Kate is a good mother. He probably won't comment.
Another point I want to make. CPS was called on the Octomom and they acted right away. If it is true that someone reported to CPS in PA, why didn't they follow up with Jon & Kate?
Marie
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Oh yeah, wasn't Robert there when Jon dropped off the kids because he needed a ride? He would be an eye witness as to why the kids were so distressed.
Admin. . . so in PA this isn't considered child abuse. So life goes on as usual. Poor kids.
Marie
Because every state CPS is different.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 104 Remember shoddy parenting is legal.
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Sad but true. The level of abuse for CPS to do anything is far above what most good parents would consider abuse.
Like Bubbles, I have many issues with Jon's past behavior, but am hoping that he is on the right path and as those kids get older, the courts give them more and more say in their living situation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see the majority of the kids living full time with Jon in the next 2-4 years with Kate paying him support.
Maybe to get 50/50 Kate said only if you publicly say I am a good mother. It would be just like her.
Moi said... 116
Nothing can justify Jon leaving his children with an abuser so he could go play and party.
Nothing.
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Nothing is black and what.
Nothing.
I've learned that through the years. I've said it through the years, too, and then, bam, something would happen to show me things come in shades of grey, not absolutes. And I'm not too proud to say I've blamed people before I understood that concept.
I'm basically keeping quiet until my thoughts are more settled, but there is a LOT we don't know.
Bubbles, I think you have gotten some flack because hating Jon has been the sheeples' MO. I agree he shares some responsibility, but I am not sure he was emotionally equipped to take on his abuser. He has matured and hopefully with counseling and family help can make it right for his children. We have to hope that some good will come out from Robert's book.
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And who knows if Kate BEAT ON Jon, too? We all saw the little 'love taps' he got while filming. Maybe she whacked on him too when the cameras were off.
heather
How will Jon explain this?
"Now Kate and I communicate great. It’s parenting together but in separate locations. "She’s a great mother,” Jon told People [June 2012]
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/06/jon-gosselin-says-kate-gosselin-great-mother
CA has some of the best child abuse laws in the country. They will send CPS out for a bug bite. This is PA. Their laws allow for a lot more parental control without interference, you can read them yourself.
See, this is why I don't feel one iota sorry for Kate.
There is a good reason why she is so disliked.
The entire family should go for counseling- the enablers, the victims, and Kate.
The radar articule about Jon holding the child abuse over Kate's head has documents attached to it that they claim Jon wrote. They are interesting reading.
I'm including a new link cuz the one previously posted didn't work for me...
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/09/exclusive-jon-gosselin-threatened-report-kate-child-protective-services-unless
I think it interesting that the CBS articule has a link on the side to an articule about how a school board member wants to reestablish paddling.
Most states allow you to spank your children with an open hand, as long as you don't leave a mark. Spanking with an instrument is not legal, but apparently in PA it is. So, that would not be considered child abuse.
Pulling the hair would be, but depending on the laws in PA, unless it states that you can only spank on the bottom, the hitting might not.
Honestly, in this situation, CPS won't actually do a whole lot. That's the sad state of our society.
I expected the book 'How She Fooled the World' to expose her greed in exploiting the children on TLC, her cosmetic surgeries, etc. and her need to be seen as the world's best mother. I did not expect to learn of the physical violence we have learned about today IN HER OWN WORDS.
I wonder if she is hoping to do a Dr. Phil or Dr. Drew 'tell-all' indicating that she was an abused child herself and that is why she has cut ties with her family and carve out a new "career" - as a spokesperson for violence begets violence.
bm
Have so much going on in my life that I've been really out of touch on this blog lately. Celebitchy has a huge expose on Kate today, and if that's already been mentioned, I apologize.
Going to start at the top and read all the comments now. And I cannot wait to read Hoffman's book.
Improbable Dreams said... 126
How will Jon explain this?
"Now Kate and I communicate great. It’s parenting together but in separate locations. "She’s a great mother,” Jon told People [June 2012]
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/06/jon-gosselin-says-kate-gosselin-great-mother
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Maybe it was his way of protecting those kids, How can she retaliate against a statement like that. Some deal may have been struck that she didn't like BUT saying something like that in public gives her no way to bash him and not look vindictive...
I feel physically sick to my stomach. Not because this is any surprise, but because it is verification of my worst and deepest concerns regarding Kate Gosselin and those poor children. She is not fit to have them any percent of the time -- I hope that Jon can obtain 100? physical custody.
I think anyone who has ever spent time with the Gosselins yet was required to keep silent by some confidentiality agreement, must also feel as if they've been forced to participate in the abuse of these children. I fear that the boys get the worst of Kate's anger and abuse.
What will it take before those children are removed from her care? She is so foul and disgusting. It also explains why those children know they must put on a happy, happy act with Mom - she'll beat the heck out of them if they don't!
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Anonymous said... 155
That is your right, but I sincerely hope you never again claim to give a crap about these children, since you have chosen "exposing the truth" over what is in their best interest.
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As a child who was abused, I would have given anything, anything at all, for someone to step in and stop the abuse. Many people, including relatives knew, and no one did anything. To this day, no one can give me an explanation as to why - not family, friends, the church, the school. All I've heard is 'it wasn't our business'. I'm so saddened to read about what these children have endured and probably continue to endure and I'm glad this is being exposed. Yes, the truth hurts but beatings along with emotional abuse hurts a hell of a lot more. Good for Robert Hoffman and good for this blog!
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Let me say yet again that I had not seen the ROL story and was unaware of the abuse allegations at the time that I made my post. The comment to which I responded was made BEFORE the abuse allegations were part of the story.
Remona Blue...112
Thanks for your acknowledgement. I'm so sorry that you, too, were the victim of abuse. I think many here were and that's what brought us together. We knew in our hearts that something just wasn't right with this mother.
IF Kate abuses her children, she would be abusing them whether she had a TV show or not.
We did not SEE Kate abuse them on the show. We suspected, but you can't take mere suspicions to the authorities. You must have physical evidence of abuse. Pictures, bruises, etc. A picture of Kate smacking Leah's backside is not "abuse" in Pa, so no point reporting it.
Is it possible Kate reserved her fits of anger until Jon left for the day? There are such things as closet abusers who don't do it when others are watching. Again, definition of abuse comes into play. Jon may know the kids got punished, but may not know how Kate actually treated them. For all he might have known, they got sent to their timeout mat and
to their rooms, nothing more severe.
My mother NEVER spanked me when my father was home. He hated spanking and did not approve of it. So, she did it behind closed doors when he could not know about it.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 50
Remember when I shared my source said Kate was physically abused as a kid? Just putting it out there, but abuse tends to be generational. Children abused as kids who never properly deal with it often end up abusing their own kids. Cycle of violence.
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Or, as in my case, it makes you fiercely determined NOT to treat your children as you were treated. I have raised two beautiful, happy daughters and I have 4 wonderful grandchildren. . . none of them have EVER been spanked.
The adult daughter of friends is currently fighting to regain custody of (one of) her daughter(s). The oldest child is living with her dad out of province (after she was returned when the mom abducted her). The youngest girl (age two) is living with her uncle and his wife (wife is a CPS worker). The young girl was removed from her mothers care after the mom was arrested for beating the girl in a public park while She was drunk (mom was drunk). There were 3 eyewitnesses to the beating, including an off duty policeman. The girl is thriving in her uncles house and hopefully has no memories of her abuse.
BUT the mom is very close to regaining custody because she is a sociopath who knows how to play the game and say whatever she needs to say. She has never admitted the abuse (even though she went to jail for it). Uncle and auntie are devastated that they will probably lose this girl back into an abusive home, even though auntie is a CPS case worker, she has no control. The lying mother will get another chance.
Sick isn't it? But it happens everyday. No one of us knows who tried to get the kids protection.
I have been there as a child. To the poster who is trying to help an abused child, keep doing what you are doing. Give lots of love and
Away time. My Gram did it for me and it does make a difference.
This comment on the ROL article:
Jon is under gag order via divorce documents, but his sister isnt muhaaaaaaaa
Didn't Hoffman say something about Jon's sister? I remember reading here comments about whether or not he had a sister and she may be his half sister..I hope she corroborates this. Sheeple will say it is fake even if they see the journal writing since it's not in Kate's handwriting.
Maybe he was trying to keep her calm and stable by being kind. Maybe she was doing better not hitting them anymore and he wanted to let her know he appreciated her progress. No one says she hits them now, this is when they were little. Even Kate lately said something about how she's grown up, maybe she means she's controlled her need to be so physical, who knows.
WOW-this thread was just started and already over 100 postings. I have so much work to do today-wish I could just stay and keep up.
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Funny note on a serious day-my brother didn't like his given name so he went by Andy (middle name Andrew)and our last name was the ever popular Williams (I am not afraid to post this since it is no where near his formal name and Williams is the #3 most common last name). We are in our late 40's so growing up he always got a double take at the name Andy Williams. When he was about 8 my mom set up piano lessons and the teacher didn't show up the first day because she thought it was a prank! He received many albums as gag gifts over the years-the Christmas album is our favorite!
For all those Robert fans out there, please explain why the months of taunts and intimidation are something you support. If his allegations are true, he knew that Kate Gosselin was an abusive mother capable of harming her children. Why would anybody who cares about the children intentionally freak out their mother and potentially cause her to take out her stress on her children?
Sorry, but I'm not supporting his nomination for sainthood.
For all we know Jon has been fighting tooth and nail for those kids....stop assuming things, you know nothing about...He's getting there slowly but surely. Everyone should just calm down....I have a feeling that Jons doing all he can with his resourses. I'm sure he's been sick with worry or he won't have asked for the 50/50...Hopefully this whole thing will help him get there...what will be ..will be...
Do you think the kids are still being hit?
I am so disgusted with myself right now. I woke up so excited for Robert's latest revelation, couldn't wait for more juicy insider knowledge confirming or reinforcing our suspicions about her and Steve, her grifting, her crappy attitude, her good bra. But this is awful, just effing awful. So many of you here have been posting for years your opinions that Kate is a true monster and abuser, and frankly, I thought many of you were a little over the top. I cannot believe what those precious little babies went through, practically right under our noses, as we watched their show. I never would have watched a second, could never have watched, knowing that between shots someone was getting the spoon treatment.
As far as whether this is abuse or not (legally), in my state, an open handed smack is allowed. Using anything else (spoon, belt, switch, etc) is a beating and abuse. Too bad she didn't live here. She'd be facing charges.
As for Jon, we saw her smack him plenty, and he may have taken quite a bit more. I don't know. I do consider him to be a victim of her abuse, regardless. However, when he moved out, he got a little apartment in NYC, when he could have gotten a 4 bedroom home near Wernersville. He could have taken the Etown house in the divorce and had 50/50 custody from day one. Hard to get past that. Seems he got free and barely looked back for a while there.
Maybe this story from Dlisted was true:
Jon told Kate that he would tell Child Protective Services that she beat on Mady unless she paid him off. Hailey explains to Radar, "We were in bed and Jon called Kate on speaker phone. He wrote down what he wanted to say to her and then he read from his notes. He told her, 'You either give me money, or I'm going to call CPS.' Kate would just say, 'You're sick Jon, you're sick. How could you do this to me? You need help.' I just remember thinking at the time that if he could do this to the mother of his kids, what would he do to me?"
Hailey says this happened over and over again, "That's how he works. He'd say, 'I'm going to go public with the way you treat the kids, I'm going to call CPS and the news and tell them everything unless you give me what I want.' "
Jon denied all of this and said Hailey is making all this shit up for a quick check.
Marie
readerlady 46 said
aggiesmom -- The game night show and the injured child was Cara and it was her ankle/foot that was injured. There were stories and speculation during the Alaska trip that KK had injured Mady's arm. IDK if anything was ever confirmed officially, but that "famous" picture of Mady standing apart and crying while the rest of them were grinning ear to ear added some fuel to the fire at the time.
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Thanks for the correction! I just remembered one of the twins was hurt, had hurt for a few days and finally the nanny took her to the dr (I believe it was evening?) Kate couldn't be bothered with it, she had to play games with the kids for her tv show. I do remember Kate having to go to the dr visit later on, and she commented to the twin, 'we don't have time for this', or something to that effect. I was STUNNED. Who acts like that?
Considering the circumstances, I hope the kids go home with their dad today regardless of whose week it is. gee, we thought the thigh pic of one of the twins was bad...can you imagine the looks those kids are going to get at school tomorrow, not only from peers, but from teachers as well? I believe CPS investigators need to speak to the children at school. For their safety they need to be removed from their mother's care. I wonder how Kate's going to tweet today?????
I'll take this one...Anon...@142...let me get this straight...you don't want Kate outed because she might take it out on the kids? Do you have any conception of how idiotic that sounds? I think your dear Kate has done enough damage to those kids..are you protecting a child abuser... you freakin' sicko..
I am heartsick. We all suspected this, but reading about the violence in her own words is chilling.
And now she is baking cookies. Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
Kat at 148, I'm not Anon but I didn't get that from her. I got the impression she was asking why in the world would Robert not say anything sooner? If he's known for this long that these children were in the care of an abuser, why did he taunt her for months? Why not speak up immediately? For the sake of the kids.
BTW, I am Beth. I haven't posted in awhile and I am signed into Google. :)
My question for Jon, now that we have all this information, is why didn't you stay, no matter how bad it was for you. You chose her freely and willingly to be your wife. I don't doubt that she changed over time and with the stresses of having 8 kids, but he was the only other adult around who could have protected them. He could have gotten therapy and outside help from somewhere. I just can't buy that she had so much power that no one could do anything. I think there are a lot of dirty hands with all this and I hope they are all sweating bullets today.
Is this info released today the pre release he was talking about? I sure hope he plans to release it in book form rather than just parts here and there in places like Radar. But maybe, just maybe, this is to generate knowledge that the book is coming and getting that information out to the masses quickly. Good luck Robert and thanks for blowing the lid off this wicked creature.
This also confirms where two of the children learned the behavior that got them expelled from kindergarten.
Kate's rage was shown on the show, remember she went ballistic at the boys over a knob that came of a piece of furniture.
Not a fan of Hoffman said... 150
Kat at 148, I'm not Anon but I didn't get that from her. I got the impression she was asking why in the world would Robert not say anything sooner? If he's known for this long that these children were in the care of an abuser, why did he taunt her for months? Why not speak up immediately? For the sake of the kids.
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Maybe Kate's lawyer, Mr. Singer knows the answer to that question...
Hailey also said at one time that Jon was emotionally abusive.
Unbelievable! The comparisons to Joan Crawford/Mommy Dearest couldn't be more true!! Admin, I remember you posted awhile back that your source told you that Khate "knows" there is something not right with her, that she's got problems...is THIS what you were referring to?
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He betrayed his kids' best interests when he called Kate a "good mother." There's blood on Jon's hands, too, if only for that one remark."
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I agree. The best spin I can put on Jon's comment (and he said "Kate is a good mother" more than once after the split) is this: He was a victim of Kate as well, although better able to take the abuse because he was an adult male. But she browbeat him and physically slapped and hit him on camera. What else went on between them when the cameras weren't there? I am sure it was worse for Jon, as it was for the children. It's less common but no less real - spousal abuse can happen when it's the wife doing the abusing and the husband being abused.
In this context, it took Jon a good deal of time to heal himself after the break up of the marriage. He may have actually believed that comment when he said, strange as it sounds. I think he didn't realize the scope of the abuse until he had undergone some serious counseling and reflection.
The other reason he might have said that publicly was in the hopes that it would help protect his children from the worst of Kate's anger. Knowing Kate, he may have been afraid that if he gave any public indication of Kate's real behavior, while she had 100% custody, she would take it out on the children even worse and he could do nothing about it.
Jon's only options during that time when TLC was legally hounding him, when he was broke and forced to pay Kate huge sums in child support, when he was mocked by the media and countless others as being a skirt chaser, a drunk, and a deadbeat dad were:
1. Stay the course. Keep pursuing the legal avenues open to him. Put his head down and work whatever jobs came his way, and try to just live his life and ignore all the negative publicity. or
2. Take the kids on one of the few times he was allowed to have them, and run. But where? He had no money, no legal right to take them, and he would have been chased down, found and the children returned to their mother. He would have then little chance of prevailing in court in his fight for more custody.
So vilify Jon if you must - but also realize that it's also possible he was doing the absolute best he could, given the situation. At least he has them 50% of the time now -- that's a huge step in the right direction. Now, let's all hope he can win 100% custody - those children are now old enough where they could testify in court about the disturbing ways Kate has "disciplined" them, and they could request to be with their father 100%. A court will certainly listen to the older girls' wishes at this point, and I hope open an investigation, appoint a guardian ad litem for the children, and require regular (and surprise) monitoring visits by CPS.
To Kate - your time of reckoning is coming. It may not be today, tomorrow, or even for a few years. But you have done so much wrong, it will out. All will know what you've done, what you are, and what you are capable of, and be disgusted by it.
@150 No...read the last line....'why would anybody freak their mother out and cause her to take her stress out on her children'.....
Maybe this story from Dlisted was true:
Jon told Kate that he would tell Child Protective Services that she beat on Mady unless she paid him off. Hailey explains to Radar, "We were in bed and Jon called Kate on speaker phone. He wrote down what he wanted to say to her and then he read from his notes. He told her, 'You either give me money, or I'm going to call CPS.' Kate would just say, 'You're sick Jon, you're sick. How could you do this to me? You need help.' I just remember thinking at the time that if he could do this to the mother of his kids, what would he do to me?"
Hailey says this happened over and over again, "That's how he works. He'd say, 'I'm going to go public with the way you treat the kids, I'm going to call CPS and the news and tell them everything unless you give me what I want.' "
Jon denied all of this and said Hailey is making all this shit up for a quick check.
Marie
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You have to remember the SOURCE of this information is Hailey Glassman herself, a complete fame whore.
I won't believe it until it is verified by someone more reputable.
heather
KAT said... 148
I'll take this one...Anon...@142...let me get this straight...you don't want Kate outed because she might take it out on the kids? Do you have any conception of how idiotic that sounds? I think your dear Kate has done enough damage to those kids..are you protecting a child abuser... you freakin' sicko..
That is not what I said. Learn to read before you accuse someone of being a "freakin' sicko." He could have published the book without the months of creepy taunting, building up to the "big reveal." Again, why would he taunt the woman for months if he truly believes that she is an abusive loose cannon? Talk about being a sicko.
Also, that story is 2 years old, from 2010.
Who wants to bet Kate has her 100th pink iphone glued to her ear to make the calls to all the morning shows so she can make an appearance to dispute this and poke her eye out to open the floodgates? 'WAAA! SNIFF!! WAA!!'
Not a fan of Hoffman said... 150
Kat at 148, I'm not Anon but I didn't get that from her. I got the impression she was asking why in the world would Robert not say anything sooner? If he's known for this long that these children were in the care of an abuser, why did he taunt her for months? Why not speak up immediately? For the sake of the kids.
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You are correct. Thank you.
Thanks Sassy....good comeback
I would love to see Nancy Grace get a hold of Kate and question her.
Regardless of how battered he was, Jon was stronger than the eight innocent children he left behind when he took off with Hailey to play and party.
When Kate's abuse was verified this morning, I was full of rage towards only her. But as the news settled in I realized that Jon is almost equally responsible. It seems as crazy to defend him as it does her.
Karma is having the 'bestest mom in the world' having to have court ordered supervised cps visits with her children.
Kate, answer the door...KARMA IS KNOCKING! Maybe the first call you get on your new 1st pink iphone5 will be from CPS.
I sincerely hope those children are removed completely from your care, you are forced to relinquish any of their monies that you have "in holding", pay child support and for their therapy and that any visitation you get is limited and closely monitored.
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I don't hope for that. I hope these allegations/confessions are investigated by the authorities and if found to be true, that Kate is ordered into parenting and anger management classes.
This is the children's mother. They love her and deserve a healthy Kate.
Not sure if it's possible with her other mental and emotional problems.
Nancy Grace - I think she would be a great defender of the children and would question Kate mercilously.
Marie
fidosmommy said... 136
IF Kate abuses her children, she would be abusing them whether she had a TV show or not.
We did not SEE Kate abuse them on the show. We suspected, but you can't take mere suspicions to the authorities. You must have physical evidence of abuse. Pictures, bruises, etc. A picture of Kate smacking Leah's backside is not "abuse" in Pa, so no point reporting it.
Is it possible Kate reserved her fits of anger until Jon left for the day? There are such things as closet abusers who don't do it when others are watching. Again, definition of abuse comes into play. Jon may know the kids got punished, but may not know how Kate actually treated them. For all he might have known, they got sent to their timeout mat and
to their rooms, nothing more severe.
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If you believe the ROL article, Kate TOLD Jon she was afraid she would harm his children. Why the need to defend a man who, if these allegations are true, left his children with an abusive mother?
Another point I want to make. CPS was called on the Octomom and they acted right away. If it is true that someone reported to CPS in PA, why didn't they follow up with Jon & Kate?
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Octomom lives in a hovel and Kate in a mansion with tons of helpers.
I hope Jon gets the kids. Kate can get therapy on her own time.
The kids need therapy as well, on Kate's dime.
Oh, the books these kids will write one of these days.
You have to remember the SOURCE of this information is Hailey Glassman herself, a complete fame whore.
I won't believe it until it is verified by someone more reputable.
heather
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Yes, she was a fame whore. But the story seems to be ringing true now based on what Robert Hoffman is saying and it fits the timeline. Some things are hard to hear.
Marie
Call Me Crazy said... 149
I am heartsick. We all suspected this, but reading about the violence in her own words is chilling.
And now she is baking cookies. Nero fiddled while Rome burned.
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And the cookies are for a school bake sale and posted to a site accessible via the internet. How do you think those baked goods are going to sell?
Moi no one is defending someone who doesn't do anything. What folks are saying is not knowing who did what it's premature to blame others. It's a logical fallacy to assume nothing was done just because she still has the kids or Jon has been nice to her lately.
Tucker's Mom said... 172
That's true. But I hope that CPS doesn't base their decisions on what kind of a house someone lives in.
Marie
I'm rambling and thinking outloud so feel free to pass this over.
Something that was brought up earlier was about Jon getting an apartment in NYC.
Remember that in the beginning of the separation Jon and Kate were going to 'share' the house. Each one living in the house when they had custody.
Something telling in the beginning was that Jon got an apartment in NYC (remember the judge was firm that on non-custody you couldn't have the kids - remember how Kate was treated when she showed up on her non-custody day at the gate)
Now think: Jon got an apartment thinking he would be able to use the house on his custody time so no need for a location that close to the kids since Kate wouldn't allow it.
Kate NEVER got another apartment. She lived in and out of the hotels on her non-custody time.
She KNEW she was going to end up with the house by hook or by crook. "Mine all Mine!"
As soon as Jon broke up with Hailey and the divorce was finalized Kate ended up with the house.
Jon moved to 100 Wyommising which was an upscale and brand-new apartment complex at the time. They offered somewhat privacy. Even then it ended up too pricey for him and he now lives in a rental home in the middle of ********** about 25 minutes from Kate. He's in a private secluded area that is free from prying eyes (one way in...one way out). Granted it's not upscale, but kids don't need upscale, they need security.
Jon made mistakes, but after the beating down from Kate (verbally and physically), from TLC (financially), from the lawyers and judges (custody time) from the Media (professionally) I don't know how he survived.
He's doing his best. He has a good support network and I have seen with my own eyes how those kids cling to him and love him. It's almost like they know what he went through (they saw it/heard it) and feel bonded because they are all trying to be survivors.
This affirmation and clarification on what we thought about Kate and her behavior from day one is so upsetting, but it explains so much. However, now there are even more unexplained issues regarding Steve, Kate and the money, etc.
I can't wait to read this book.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 176
''Moi no one is defending someone who doesn't do anything. What folks are saying is not knowing who did what it's premature to blame others. It's a logical fallacy to assume nothing was done just because she still has the kids or Jon has been nice to her lately.''
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In MY opinion, Jon removing himself from the household could very well be his effort to reduce Kate's anger at him, therefore an effort to reduce Kate's abuse of the children....NOT leaving his children w/an abusive mother. All you have to do is observe the difference in the way the children act with Jon and the way they act with Kate. I truly believe that Jon did the best he could, considering the laws in Pa about child abuse.
Tucker's Mom said... 19
Well, the witch just posted this. She's making cookies.
My heart is pounding and I feel nauseated. she's making and twitting cookie pics.
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Damage control.
Deflect, deny, misdirection.
Beating? What?
Bill Blankenship? Never heard of him.
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100% SPOT ON Tucker's Mom.
As usual, Kate, being the ultimate narcissist, thinks the general public is too mediocre or stupid to see through her plastic, see-through behavior...and it speaks VOLUMES about her guilt.
LeeLee - you expressed how I feel perfectly. I was positively giddy this morning waiting to see what stupid stuff Kate did and to enjoy her fall (at least in our eyes). Now, I'm just sick.
The fans, of course, will say it's all Jon's fault. I certainly don't think he's completely innocent, but I don't know what he did behind the scenes. What we do know absolutely FROM KATE'S OWN WORDS is that she beat the crap out of those babies. Blame Jon if you must, but I blame the abuser the most.
I live less than 6 miles from the Konpound. I wonder if paparazzi are already staking out their locations on H________ road. The media is going to go into a frenzy over this I predict.
Anyone care to guess about Hoffman's lie detectot test?
What was he asked, and why was it done?
Admin I understand what you're saying but respectfully disagree. I'm going to try not to dwell on it.
Berks Neighbor said... 178
''..........Jon made mistakes, but after the beating down from Kate (verbally and physically), from TLC (financially), from the lawyers and judges (custody time) from the Media (professionally) I don't know how he survived.
He's doing his best. He has a good support network and I have seen with my own eyes how those kids cling to him and love him. It's almost like they know what he went through (they saw it/heard it) and feel bonded because they are all trying to be survivors.''
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Thank you...you said it so much better than I did...
"Also, I've seen many people counter criticism against Kate with the argument, "no one is a perfect parent." "
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I'm far from the perfect parent - but there is a long distance between occasionally blowing your top and shouting at your child, and daily frequent beatings with a red plastic spoon, and worse. If someone is a parent and is constantly beating on their child -- that person needs to ask a trusted friend or family member to please step in, take care of the child for awhile, and GET HELP!
Anyone here familiar with the Joel Steinberg/ Hedda Nussbaum case?
To make a horrible story short, Joel was VERY abusive to Hedda, and to their little adopted daughter, Lisa.
CPS miserably failed this child, and in the end, the little girl died because of her father's abuse.
Hedda was criticized for not protecting her child. She testified in court against her husband, and he was put away for 16 years.
I remember watching her on t.v. She was a mess from the repeated beatings (her nose was broken horribly, she had bruises throughout her body).
She was very scared of Joel, beaten down emotionally & physically.
Anyway, I remember being angry at her for allowing that monster (Joel) to harm her daughter.
Adults are supposed to protect the young & innocent. Everyone attached to the Gosselins (family, friends, neighbors, etc...) knows a little bit of something, everyone has seen, or heard something that was not kosher.
I blame Kate primarily, because SHE was abuser,
manipulator, & mastermind of her family's lives being sold for entertainment.
A mother role is to PROTECT her young from harm. Not what Kate has done.
Well, the sheeple are saying "lies, all lies," Kate didn't abuse her children. Just what we expected. They are one sick breed, aren't they? It really is a serious Jim Jones cult thing they have going, and we know how badly that ended.
If you believe the ROL article, Kate TOLD Jon she was afraid she would harm his children. Why the need to defend a man who, if these allegations are true, left his children with an abusive mother?
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What parent hasn't come home to a hectic household where the other parent is saying "I'm glad you're home because I was about to hang
YOUR son on the clothesline unless he quit throwing things! (or whatever.)
It is quite possible that Kate abused Jon when he was home and didn't mess much with the kids at that time. remember, she left the child care to him when he was home and she just went to do what she wanted to do. But when Jon went away, to the garage, the store, work, his mom's, wherever, Kate only had the children to
vent on. He may have never even seen what we are hearing about now.
I don't know, and neither does any of us. We can choose to believe Mr. Hoffman's book or not believe Mr. Hoffman's book. You can feel however you choose to feel about Jon and so will I.
I can defend Jon because I think he's doing the best NOW that he can. He can't undo the past.
He has apologized for his past bad behavior.
If he had it to do all over again, would he do it differently? Only Jon can answer that. But I will say this: I think Jon is capable of doing things better the second time around. I believe Kate is hardwired for mean and reactive.
Believe me I have been tempted to slap my teen when she gets mouthy. But I have a temper but still manage to refrain. However I can't imagine "losing it" over a two-year old's temper tantrum. It's their developmental age! In fact I usually had to suppress a laugh when mine would throw a tantrum! They're actually pretty funny. Mine was also an extremely fussy baby. She would not let me put her down as a newborn; cried from 5 pm til 2 am every day for 3 months..no lie. I had to put her in the middle of the bed and walk away a few times for my sanity but never ever thought of hurting her. It just made me sad for her KWIM?
Tucker's Mom said... 169
I sincerely hope those children are removed completely from your care, you are forced to relinquish any of their monies that you have "in holding", pay child support and for their therapy and that any visitation you get is limited and closely monitored.
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I don't hope for that. I hope these allegations/confessions are investigated by the authorities and if found to be true, that Kate is ordered into parenting and anger management classes.
This is the children's mother. They love her and deserve a healthy Kate.
Not sure if it's possible with her other mental and emotional problems.
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Tucker's Mom,
You know, if I thought there was any hope for Kate at all, I would totally agree with you.
I made that statement because she's been hiding this abuse, sicking her lawyers on anyone who dare breathe a word of it and continued to rake in bags of cash based on her joke of a "brand" as a super single mom of eight.
I honestly don't believe she'll accept the responsibility that would enable her to see that she needs therapy.
Of course they deserve a healthy mother, all children do. But if she's just going to ignore this or blame Jon, blame TLC, even blame the kids' themselves then they are better off with limited and monitored exposure.
I've held my breath for years that Kate would see the light and stop exploiting those kids. But even now, a year after her show's been cancelled, she's still trying to get them back on t.v.
To me, that doesn't bode well for there being much chance of Kate changing her ways.
He's doing his best. He has a good support network and I have seen with my own eyes how those kids cling to him and love him. It's almost like they know what he went through (they saw it/heard it) and feel bonded because they are all trying to be survivors.''
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Without revealing anything personal or up close that I might get called out for, I'll second that. They know who loves them and they do cling to him, both physically and emotionally. I just wish those kids could be removed from that house and out from under her control.
fidosmommy said... 187
What parent hasn't come home to a hectic household where the other parent is saying "I'm glad you're home because I was about to hang
YOUR son on the clothesline unless he quit throwing things! (or whatever.)
It is quite possible that Kate abused Jon when he was home and didn't mess much with the kids at that time. remember, she left the child care to him when he was home and she just went to do what she wanted to do. But when Jon went away, to the garage, the store, work, his mom's, wherever, Kate only had the children to
vent on. He may have never even seen what we are hearing about now.
I don't know, and neither does any of us. We can choose to believe Mr. Hoffman's book or not believe Mr. Hoffman's book. You can feel however you choose to feel about Jon and so will I.
I can defend Jon because I think he's doing the best NOW that he can. He can't undo the past.
He has apologized for his past bad behavior.
If he had it to do all over again, would he do it differently? Only Jon can answer that. But I will say this: I think Jon is capable of doing things better the second time around. I believe Kate is hardwired for mean and reactive.
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Your excuse for Jon is that Kate might have abused him but he didn't see her abuse the kids? If she were abusing her spouse, don't you think he might have a slight clue that she was also abusing her children?
Maybe Kate no longer hits the children. In that case, will you start defending her because "she's doing the best she can NOW and can't undo the past?"
Unbelievable.
I think the kids love Jon, but also seem to hug and cling to any adult who pays them attention. I think they are emotionally and physically abused.I hope justice is served although if RH had not decided to write this book, would the truth be hidden forever?
I have not been participating on here for a few months now,I had a small stroke in June, so am trying to live a more calm life. But I agree with HistoryBarf, about working extra hard to not repeat the cycle of abuse. I was the oldest of 6, my parents had 4 of us by the time my mom was just 20 years old, she just loved babies. I have not childhood memories before I was 9. At that age, I was diagnosed with really bad epilepsy. My mom would call me names, kick me, slap me, punch me. One time I said somewhing wrong-it seemed I was always wrong-and she punched me in my head. It brought on a big seizure. After that, I was so sure she would be so scared of it happening again, that she would quit hitting me. But she just hit me more. When I was 12, my dad brought home a 'present' he made at work for my mom. It was a piece of heavy steel belting, and he had cut it so it would have a good handle for her to hang on to, when she would use it on me. I got out by becoming pregnant when I was 16. I grew up, got married, had my 3 daughters. NOT 1 DAY did I EVER hit any of my kids, and never called them any names, and never made fun of them. I worked very hard to break that cycle of abuse, some days it was not easy, but I am proud to have been the one who broke that awful cycle. So I don't care if kate was abused!! She was the one who wanted multiples, she did not have to have any kids, especially after she had her twins. No, if she was abused, she can't use that as an excuse. Look at all of us here who have suffered the same way, there sure are lots of us here! My heart goes out to all of you, it is brave to tell your stories, most of us likely had many self-esteem issues, that followed us our entire lives. I know I sure did, and still do at times. Since I was abused, we have had so much more information, lots to learn from. Like kate has also had. No excuses for her un-christian behaviour dealing with those 8 innocent children, none at all. I bet that all those churches she soaked for money, will all be sick when this news becomes mainstream. I know it tied my stomach in knots when I read here today. I just hope she does not somehow slither away and gets away with this.
Ok, who called it? The sheeple trying to deflect and place the blame on Jon?
Paula at 194, some blame SHOULD be placed on Jon. He left his kids in the hands of an abusive mother, if reports are true.
It's so easy to say what we would have done if we were in Jon's shoes. From the outside looking in, it's very black and white. I'm sure when you're on the inside and living it, there are many shades of gray.
Jon was very young when Kate got her hooks in him and she has always been "The Mastermind". After 9 to 10 years of verbal, emotional and who knows, maybe even physical abuse, it's hard to imagine the screwed up mind he had coming out of that relationship. Add in TLC's money and backing of Kate, their cash cow, and Jon had an uphill battle for a mature, intelligent person to take on. Jon didn't have the maturity, intelligence or good counsel for that situation at all.
I too remember the Joel Steinberg/Hedda Nussbaum case. Hedda was a shell of a person after the years with Joel and incapable of protecting herself or Lisa from that monster. I don't want people to think I'm comparing the two situations. That would do a great injustice to little Lisa. It just illustrates how an intelligent, educated person can completely lose all sense of self after years of abuse.
Along with others that have spoken about their abusive childhood, I managed to break the circle of abuse. I never EVER touched my children in anger, and I never EVER said mean things to them. I'm not saying that their behavior never made me angry....just that I was always very aware of what my reaction to their behavior was. My children are adults, with children of their own, and I can't tell you how often they laugh about me telling them...''we BOTH are having a time-out...you go to your room, and I'm going to mine!!''
I think that most of us are reacting with shock at how bad Kate really was, and that is the first shoe that Hoffman dropped.
I'm now waiting for the second shoe that I'm convinced he has.....all about ''her'' money....how much/where it has been hidden!!
Paula said... 194
Ok, who called it? The sheeple trying to deflect and place the blame on Jon?
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Nobody is placing "the" blame on Jon. If Kate abused her children she is first and foremost to blame, but that does not make Jon devoid of any responsibility.
Michelle said... 196
It's so easy to say what we would have done if we were in Jon's shoes. From the outside looking in, it's very black and white. I'm sure when you're on the inside and living it, there are many shades of gray.
Jon was very young when Kate got her hooks in him and she has always been "The Mastermind". After 9 to 10 years of verbal, emotional and who knows, maybe even physical abuse, it's hard to imagine the screwed up mind he had coming out of that relationship. Add in TLC's money and backing of Kate, their cash cow, and Jon had an uphill battle for a mature, intelligent person to take on. Jon didn't have the maturity, intelligence or good counsel for that situation at all.
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Jon is not mentally disabled. He chose to get married and have children at a young age. And with that choice came responsibility. You are not less responsible for the welfare of your children because you are young.
Tucker's Mom,
You know, if I thought there was any hope for Kate at all, I would totally agree with you.
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I understand and agree, and that's why I wrote the caveat at bottom. I don't know if you can intervene when someone's reality and perceptions are so altered.
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