According to author Robert Hoffman, who says he is in possession of notes and diaries that Kate used to write Multiple Blessings and Eight Little Faces, Kate wrote entry after entry about disiplining the kids.
The entries include:
- Kate used a wooden spoon she called "The Spanker" to discipline the kids for transgressions as minor as climbing out of their cribs or potty training issues.
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| A wooden spoon was indeed spotted more than once in the pocket of their car door. |
- Kate, in her own words "lost it" when Collin ate some M&Ms without permission.
- Kate “felt like I may hurt his children.”
- Kate preferred the kids out of sight when she was upset where they would be "safe"
- When Collin threw a tantrum, Kate says she “sent him to his crib and whipped him into it very hard...I never felt that I may really seriously injure a child, but today was that day.”
"You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs," the ex-employee reported.
Kate has never denied the allegations in the interview.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1797 Newer› Newest»cathy 518 - I'm surprised she didn't hang it from the rearview mirror as a constant reminder to the kids of a possible punishment of severeness.
milo and firedup are the same person? well that's stupid, she tweeted her tonight using both names? uh...hmm...
hmm...that's just stupid.
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Aggie -- that's the way it shows up on Twitter, depending where you are reading. If you check Twazzup, it will show up as MiloandJack. If you check Kate's Twitter page, it shows up as Fired Up 4 Kate@MlloandJack. She doesn't tweet under both names.
cathy 518-it was probably there as a reminder for the kids. Don't forget, the kids boarded the van from the passenger side.
Chewey said... 196
I think it completely suits Jon and Kate and their incessant need to share all their personal family business with the like magazines and gossipy talk show interviews!
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chewey - I think the person who suggested the cover of the book looks like the cover of a tabloid is setting up the -Don't believe anything you read in the tabloids- argument.
How very Kate-ish.
To NON fans of Robert Hoffman, I do not get it! He has taken a great step in exposing Kate Gosselins horrible behaviors that most of us have known to be true.
In my opinion he has taken a great risk, and I for one am grateful he took this step.
Are you actually a Kate Gosselin supporter?
Testing to see if I can post...
I agree. It's just so darn weird for a grown woman who would prefer to be in bed with a man, not a woman.
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I agree. I could never share a bed with a grown woman unless it was an "emergency" situation, such as after a long, long road trip with a friend and there was only one bed in the only room in the only motel within a 100 miles. I'd fall into the bed and collapse.
Then again, most likely I would ask for a cot!
does anyone know why our schmoopy's tweets are not showing at the top of the page?
cathy518 said... 198
One thing that bothers me, Why is the wooden spoon in the passenger side door of the van? If Kate was bringing it to hit the children with, wouldn't it be in the driver's side where it would be reachable?
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Sorry, but that made me LOL b/c I pictured Columbo saying it - you're right, though, that doesn't make sense, unless she also had one in the driver's side door (that way she's covered regardless of whether she is driving or in the passenger seat with good old Steve at the wheel).
If I mail her my copy of the book do you think she will autograph it for me? Of course I will include return postage.
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Post of the night.
You may have to wait until Katie Irene has that days mail scheduled to be opened.
Ya know..... I don't think Katie will have to worry about farting at the school play this year. There won't be anybody within 100 feet of her.
Name (199)...An armchair psychologist could have a field day with the fact that you are weirded out by the idea of sharing a bed with a woman, but I'll refrain.
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Call him in. I'll go on the field day with him. I, too would be weirded out by the idea of sharing a bed (even a king) with another woman.
hmmm, do you wonder if Kate "might" deep down in the part of her soul she has yet to give to the devil be thankful the " secret" is now out?
She retweeted this from Kelly Osbource..
'You may not realize it when it happens, but a kick in the teeth may be the best thing in the world for you.'- Walt Disney
YAY to be back.. my firefox wont let me post but safari will....go figure??!!
NONE of the "kHate and child abuse" links will open for me.
One goes to the Google search page, one is a blank page, and two are a half page of gobblygoop letters and symbols.
Can anyone read them???????
Sleepless In Seattle said... 13
Call him in. I'll go on the field day with him. I, too would be weirded out by the idea of sharing a bed (even a king) with another woman.
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They even had to put it in an episode. NYC hotel room, hungover and in their robes yet.
*shudder*
The wooden spoon is in the passenger door because those pictures are when she and Jon were still together and Kate was always in the passenger seat!
http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2010/11/12/gosselin-kids-expelled-from-school/?
I'm surprised Robert didn't include this photo as evidence of the inflatable boobage. It's a real eye-popper. All eyes are directed to what is about to make a mad dash out of that dress.
If you notice there are other things in the passenger side door along with the spoon. Why keep anything on that side if she is the one who is doing all of the driving? All of those things are accessible to a passenger.
Chapter in the book: "The Gosselin Give Back?"
It's either "The Gosselins Give Back?" or "The Gosselin (just one, Kate) Gives Back?"
I think. Don't quote me on that.
I know Robert's book is forthcoming, but is it going to flame-out even before it gets published?
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I'm thinking you may be right.
meagler said... 17
The wooden spoon is in the passenger door because those pictures are when she and Jon were still together and Kate was always in the passenger seat!
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That photo was taken in August 2009. They were not together then. They separated in June 2009. Of course, it could have been there when they were together and she never moved it.
I checked out twitter and she's got about 130 twits per hour AND **** most of them are RETWEETS by the carrier of platitudes and touchy-feely sayings by famous folks.
I imagine her sitting locked in her room and pathetically scrolling back to find tweets from Kelly Osborne, Roma Downey, etc with literary quotes that they tweeted so the carrier can look like she's all sunshine and don't-give-a-damn.
I imagine she's crying angry tears and muttering that she is going to show everyone that no one treats the carrier like that!
How pathetically sad. I imagine her high-priced attorney to the stahs in LA told her to STFU and close her twitter account. But she said "NO, nevah"! She's not going to take any advice from... an attorney!!!!
Idiot beyond all measure.
All these revelations about harsh "discipline"
give new meaning to the joy behind Collin's
happy dance after Knobgate.
I checked out twitter and she's got about 130 twits per hour AND **** most of them are RETWEETS by the carrier of platitudes and touchy-feely sayings by famous folks.
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Creepy. What's next, "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" typed out a million times??
Per Kate's tweet: "It was a happy free day! Breakfast late,lunch late,dinner late..I love having my kids home!:) &have sprinted almost daily:)"
Hearing that, I can't help but think of that literary quote from the Wizard of Oz...." Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain,” the wizard shrieked while his backside was exposed for the fraud that he was to all of his followers.
Me thinks the wicked witch of the compound in Western PA has finally felt the sting of a red spoon flat against her own backside in the poppy field of her own delusions.
A long time coming for those of us who have been patient in the knowledge that karma would finally catch up after 6+ yrs of misdeeds and deplorable mothering.
laurajean
Oh, and there are many tweets asking if coupon cabin will have a discount coupon for Hoffman's book......and sent also to @couponcabin, or whatever their sign is....
CC is probably wishing they never heard of her. I wonder if they drop her.
Hilarious!
Take note
1. She will meet with a semi famous pastor of some type
2.she will be redeemed
3.she will go on a lowkey Christian woman's talk circuit to talk about how far she had fallen and..she had super secret post partum depression
4.and she will urge all those Mommies not to fall in the trap of being a can do Kate but to face their demons
5 a year of the mea culp circuit and she. will be the go to stressed Mommy person.....maybe not as much loot. But camera time!!
Well I have not been here for a while but when I read this stuff today I just felt compelled to write a little something. I cant say that Im shocked no one should be really. She hit Jon ALL the time. Not an interview went by w/o her hitting him. She called it "love taps" well we see how far that got her. But this book has me perplexed. I called around and NONE of my bookstores know anything about it. Nor does Amazon. Im not certain there is a book. Maybe this is a huge publicity stunt from the journalist. But why? See there are a ton of unanswered questions. This would explain the behavior of the kids. And the two getting expelled for fighting. And when they were tiny remember how they used to hit each other all the time. I remember when one of the boys was SO mad he kicked one of the girls off his picnic table while hitting her arm. Well see what happens.. See how Kate spins this to blame Jon..
They even had to put it in an episode. NYC hotel room, hungover and in their robes yet.
*shudder*
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I remember when Jamie accompanied them on a trip, and one of the twins was fussing about sharing a bed. Kate said that she and Jamie sleep together when Jamie stays over, and "what do we care?"
meagler said... 17
"The wooden spoon is in the passenger door because those pictures are when she and Jon were still together and Kate was always in the passenger seat+
That's it! I knew there was an explanation, and I also think that the "spanker" was to be in view of the children to act as a deterrent. Of course this means that Jon would have been driving while Kate wielded the spoon which means he would have allowed the abuse to continue. Yet, all of this is speculation. I think that Robert's book will have details that will prove what the hell these kids have endured
tibbars 27...
You forgot the obligatory stint at rehab. Rehab cures everything in the world of media, don't ya know?
Somehow though, I think our little carrier will try to brass her way through things. First ignoring, then lashing out...
But who knows, you might be right. She could find god again, prostrate herself before the world, beg forgiveness for her sins........
nah........
Cathy, post 20.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 13
Name (199)...An armchair psychologist could have a field day with the fact that you are weirded out by the idea of sharing a bed with a woman, but I'll refrain.
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Call him in. I'll go on the field day with him. I, too would be weirded out by the idea of sharing a bed (even a king) with another woman.
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I, and plenty of my fellow females, have no problems sharing beds. We do it on port calls in hotels to save money on hotel rooms. Nothing weird, it's like sharing a bed with your sister.
Administrator, "All work and no play make Jack a dull boy." over and over--I had to think a minute. Where? Got it. Won't solve the puzzle for anyone else who is scratching their memory.
This is an easy one:
Who you share a bed with is personal preference and sometimes sharing is circumstance-specific.
There is no right or wrong answer.
Raggedy Ann said... 5
There are literally thousands of posts on this blog that are pure speculation about Kate. Suddenly when there is speculation about Jon folks are up in arms. Hypocrisy at its finest.
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I just want to say one thing. I had a niece who abused her kids. I turned her in and I was told that unless there was proof i.e. bruises, cuts,there was nothing they could do. They said there was food and the house was clean and the kids,4 and 5, would not talk about abuse and there wasn't any outside appearance that they were neglected or abused so they couldn't do anything. I asked, "so basically they need to die to have anything done" and they said "YES".
Jon tried to stop filming, shot down. Went to court to stop trip to Aussie, the Judge shot it down. What makes anyone who saw the abuse and saw what hell everyone went through. Even an actor/child advocate, government official, family members, working staff tried to get things stopped but couldn't. After all, at the beginning of the 5th season, cps did investigate and found nothing that warranted removing the children but that doesn't mean abuse didn't happen.
Oh, tibbars 27, I don't think so. Narcissists like KK don't do mea culpa.
About the spoon, you stop the van, go round to the side and beat the kids from there. That's why dark windows are good.
Me... when I travel with girlfriends we all like our own rooms because we find a need for just a bit of private, quiet time. Costs a bit more but it's personal preference.
Had to share a bed once with my cousin at a funeral and both of us tossed and turned all night (full size mattress, no less... ugh) and didn't get any sleep. Another funeral we shared room but twin beds and talked all night. Again no sleep. Again ugh.....
We did talk and laugh a lot though. Good times.
Well, not the funeral! But getting to see family that you only see at funerals.......
For all of you freaked out about sharing beds- you all would fail miserably in the military- just saying....you know we shower together in boot camp right? LOL Gotta love open bay showers...builds that camaraderie :)
What, no GN tweet from Kate? I don't remember the last time that happened...?
katie 771,
I don't know how self-publishing works but could this book be self-published?
Maybe you order it directly from his website, or maybe it's an e-book?
It will be interesting to see where the book comes from. Does he even have a publisher, one that has been mentioned?
Is one of the "Maries" who posts here the same one who is a friend of Zigs? I can't keep track of all of these people.
Did "oh yes she does, and oh yes she did" poster run away after the outing?
Butterfly 39,
I just finished the book 'Fobbit' by a military soldier in Iraq. He had some chuckle worthy passages about taking showers in those open bay set-ups...
Overall, it was a good read and I'd recommend it highly.
Don't remember the author but it's new book.
hmmm, your right they were seperated by then, so she wasnt riding shot gun in the passenger seat...unless the nanny was always driving...?
Would a psychologist have a field day with the twins not wanting to sleep together? I don't think so. Good grief, it's perfectly normal and commonplace for women or even girls to not want to share their beds with the same sex.
Typical Kate, because she is comfortable with something and has a weird relationship with her BFF she assumes everyone would like to do what she does.
I suppose usually the nanny or Steve drove, and Kate rode Spanker-Gun.
Too soon?
41, This is either self-published or an online book, probably through his website (possibly elsewhere, depending on the set-up). It is not available to purchase anywhere through a "regular" publisher. That's why I think it will be ignored for the most part - those kinds of things are not considered "legit" (even though they very well might be).
46,
LOL! Maybe too soon, but hang on to it.... sometimes dark humor is the only humor.
Never a good time to joke about child abuse, imo.
47,
If he's smart he'll send a copy to all the folks who interviewed her, and all the tabloids...
That's why I think it will be ignored for the most part - those kinds of things are not considered "legit" (even though they very well might be).
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I think Kindle is slowly changing that. There are some really fantastic self published books on there getting a lot of attention lately.
Just trying to lighten the mood. It's been quite a day.
Admin,
It has, hasn't it? I never thought this kind of thing would come to light, and well documented and researched.
kart is busted. Her hopes for a career on TV based on being The Perfect Mother of Multiples is done, kaput, finito, dunzo......
For all of you freaked out about sharing beds- you all would fail miserably in the military- just saying....you know we shower together in boot camp right? LOL Gotta love open bay showers...builds that camaraderie :)
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lol! I'm from very conservative Lancaster County, and even after high school PE class, we had the fastest showers ever. Run in and run out. Some even took a shower in a swimsuit.
The Mennonite girls, those who were not exempt from gym class, were not required to take showers. It was a true test of the effectiveness of their deodorant.
In some cases, depending upon the strictness of the sect, they weren't even required to take PE because according to their beliefs, they were not allowed to wear gym shorts and show their legs. Since I always hated PE, during those times I wanted to become Mennonite.
Waiting for the GABA Calm to kick in. May I have some Rumspringas, or would there be an unpleasant interaction with the GABA and the alcohol? :)
I'm not sure why we didn't anticipate this. We certainly anticipated everything else lol.
In a very brief email exchange, Robert even mentioned to me way back in the spring one of the topics in the book was abuse but I just assumed it was about the spanking thing the tabloids took photos of and Kate being upset or justifying it. I didn't think he actually had Kate's own diaries and thoughts on the matter. I hadn't talked to him since then until this week.
Parent what's in the works? Do tell.
Parent,
How's the GABA Calm working for you? Which flavor did you get? The sublingual or the capsule?
kart is busted. Her hopes for a career on TV based on being The Perfect Mother of Multiples is done, kaput, finito, dunzo......
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What will this do to the Date-A-Kate show? Aren't there some guys who liked to be used and abused and take a submissive role in the relationship?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 45
Would a psychologist have a field day with the twins not wanting to sleep together? I don't think so. Good grief, it's perfectly normal and commonplace for women or even girls to not want to share their beds with the same sex.
Typical Kate, because she is comfortable with something and has a weird relationship with her BFF she assumes everyone would like to do what she does.
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Likewise, just because you choose not to do something does not make it weird. Claiming that something is weird because you choose not to do it does make you seem very narrow-minded and uptight.
Milos GN tweet to Kate:
@Kateplusmy8 Just remember 2take all this negative stuff...leave it at ur HeavenlyFather's door & let him carry this burden 4 U! :)
Bedmates said... 35
This is an easy one:
Who you share a bed with is personal preference and sometimes sharing is circumstance-specific.
There is no right or wrong answer.
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Yep. I think it is all in who you feel comfortable being that close to. In the past two years I have had to share a LARGE bed with daughter number 2, another time with daughter number 3 and once with my younger sister, which oddly enough felt exactly as it did when were kids sharing a big bed. My adult daughters - I dont know, it didnt feel weird at all and in each case everyone slept fine. Although I cannot imagine sharing a bed with my own mother, my adult girls seemed fine with it!
Right now I wouldnt mind sharing a bed with Mr Sandman, I admit that.
I think Kate and Jamie are weird and I'm not going to apologize for it. I don't think that makes me narrow minded, I think it makes me discerning and aware of dysfunctional relationships.
You are free to think otherwise though.
Sleeping with your own child to me is total apples and oranges. I don't have a problem with that, in fact lots of people believe co-sleeping is actually really good for kids, comforting to both mother and child.
Adult to adult co-sleeping is what I find odd especially when you treat that same adult like she is your 12-year-old BFF. But to each his own I guess.
Parent,
Well, you never can tell!!! Octomom did some soft porn.........
Who can tell what kart might do to pay her bills. snort.... she could dress in a nurse's uniform and take their temps. Not orally..... some guys might pay for that... ugh, ugh, uggy-ugh
Geez, I'm bad. I need to go to sleep.
Oh, another last thought, and then I'm gone -
everytime I read The Pioneer Woman blog I think of kart.
I think of all the things she could have done, all the lost opportunities. Very sad.
I am getting to like Ree Drummond a lot. I want to live at her ranch and pet Charlie :-)
Does anyone know where that photo of Kate on the cover of the Hoffman book came from? And who is Kate screaming at?
And she most definitely had botox on her eleven lines between her eyebrows.
Claiming that something is weird because you choose not to do it does make you seem very narrow-minded and uptight.
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It would be weird TO ME, that's an opinion and if that makes me uptight, then so be it. What's sauce for the goose...
"How's the GABA Calm working for you? Which flavor did you get? The sublingual or the capsule?"
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I got the capsules because I'm afraid of dozing off while waiting for the sublingual to dissolve! Is it weird of me to feel that way? :) Am i narrow-minded and uptight?
This is my first time...with the GABA, that is. I took it at 10 p.m. and am waiting. Right now, though, I feel like a Denny's French Toast Grand Slam, but I'm afraid I'd fall asleep with my face in the scrambled eggs.
What's uptight is not understanding why someone would think it's weird.
It's Kate's right to sleep with someone like Jamie just like it's the twins', and mine, right to think it's weird.
Parent,
I may switch to the capsules too, as I feel the same way you do about falling asleep with an undissolved lozenge and choking.
Dr: Sir, your wife choked to death.
DH: Well, she sure was sleeping soundly before she died.
LOL - talk about dark humor... now, my DH would find some comfort in that... it would be mentioned at my funeral. Over and over and over again.
Where all the cousins and SIL would have to share beds. Yak - I'm killing myself with stupid humor.
OK, off to bed. With my trademark kart sign-off:
GN. I'll tweet more in the AM........ yuckity yuck.
The ever-present gum in all the open mouth photos just grosses me out. (Minor gripe in comparison to spoon spanking I know..but just had to say it.)
Adult to adult co-sleeping is what I find odd especially when you treat that same adult like she is your 12-year-old BFF. But to each his own I guess.
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Growing up my mother and her sisters had to sleep in the same bed on the farm - all three of them. They were poor as church mice. They will still double up when they go on one of those bus tours/gambling expeditions. That's totally different than Jamie and Kate sharing the same bed at the house or a hotel. It IS 12-year-old besties behavior.
I wouldn't find it nearly as weird if they shared a room with two double beds. Cripes TLC could have footed the bill for that.
saidbyjeannie
@ashymama2 @Truth_Teller201 @Kateplusmy8 I didn't follow this convo. BUT, this is about profit for this guy. Nothing more.
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I have no idea, nor is it anyone's business, how much Robert laid out to his lawyers in this whole thing, but I'm willing to take a chance and say that the profit he will be making from book sales isn't going to cover his legal fees. He has to be in the red right now.
Also...
VERITAS RH... I love it!! !!!!!!
En Vino Veritas, has been my favorite saying- since I started blogging about K.I.K., and I dig the candids.
4++ Years ago
Also, we KNOW ur BOOBs r Fake @KreIdie.
Dr: Sir, your wife choked to death.
DH: Well, she sure was sleeping soundly before she died.
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Funny, Permanent! Kind of like, "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"
At least they would have known that the GABA was working and he wouldn't have to take the bottle back for a refund!
Sorry if this a duplicate. Haven't had time to catch up.
I'm really disturbed by many of the comments to the Radar article. So much of them are I was spanked and I'm fine or What this country needs is more spanking. Are there this many people ok with this?
Many parents who spank use it rarely, only for serious matters. I am appalled that Kate uses it so constantly she has to keep a spoon in the car. Those children live in fear which is beyond awful.
And for all those who say spanking only affects children positively by teaching correct behavior, I disagree. I was spanked rarely, probably 6 or 7 times in all of childhood. I still was in fear of my parents and doubted their love. I'm talking to those of you at Radar who think this is a non-issue or a good way to raise children.
Yes spanking is legal. But have we no morals? There are many things that are legal and immoral. I guess Kate isn't the Christian she said she was. I wonder if she even says she's sorry to God.
I wouldn't find it nearly as weird if they shared a room with two double beds.
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I don't find that weird at all, although I wouldn't want Milo in that other bed.
What I've noticed about certain posters is an inability to think logically or even consider any info that differs from their narrow fixed viewpoint. I wish if a poster says, "and that's all I'll say on this issue", they would live up to that remark. However, I accept that some people, perhaps because of their own disappointments, can only view Jon in a negative light. No matter what he has done since to become a better man & father, it will never be enough. That shows an inflexibility and hardness of spirit.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 56
Parent what's in the works? Do tell.
September 26, 2012 9:30 PM
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Why do you say things about Robert or Jon saying private emails to YOU and you want to know what other people in the *know* about, but you won't give up crap?
Wants to know
I have shared a bed with my sister (once when she had an emergency) and my mother (traveling, hotel had room mixup). It felt weird to me, but I don't share my bed with anything but dogs and cats.
Open showers? Never. Nope. Will not happen.
I went to a week long church conference and they housed us all in a men's dorm. Ah ha, fidosmommy would not be fooled. She brought 5
shower curtains, shower clips and nylon rope. She set up a nice little shower area along one side of the shower room. It was quite popular.
The other women asked me to please leave it up for everyone to use. I was happy to. None of us women of a certain age was interested in showing off our life scars. Modesty all the way!
I really don't care how much money if any,this Robert might make from revealing the truth about Kate.These kids have needed help for years.They have needed someone to reveal Kate for what she is and the hell they have gone through so their incubator could live life in the fast lane.
Everyone was up-in-arms when they thought Jon was going to write a book.How dare he! He only wants $$$.He's jealous.It would only hurt the kids...ect ect. If anyone would have 1st hand proof it would be Jon...but that wasn't ok. Like I said before,Jon didn't stand a chance and he never knew what hit him.Many here even said Jon would be wrong to tell HIS story.
Well,now it's coming out.And I'm hoping that someone with some power will step in and give the kids the help and protection they deserve.
Light at the end of the tunnel
The photo of Kate on the cover of the book came from this article on INF.
http://www.infdaily.com/2010/08/who-says-kate-gosselin-is-evil-2.html#more-17334
I think that the sheeple never really expected this book to be released, that Kate's attorneys were going to take care of everything and expose the author as a fraud and a liar. Now they are confused about the whole thing, and can only deflect and call it a bunch of lies from a trash journalist wannabe. They don't know where else to go with it.
Why do you say things about Robert or Jon saying private emails to YOU and you want to know what other people in the *know* about, but you won't give up crap?
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It's her blog. If she wants to come on here eating beer cheese and garlic beer, she can. She can ask what she wants, say what she wants, talk to anyone she wants. It's her blog. She doesn't owe it to us. She invites us in, but it's still her blog to say or not say whatever
suits her.
Why do you say things about Robert or Jon saying private emails to YOU and you want to know what other people in the *know* about, but you won't give up crap?
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The comment to me had nothing to do about Robert or Jon or sources. This was about PA child abuse laws, which have been under fire for quite some time, along with the child labor laws. She was asking about that. No sources, nothing private to be revealed.
admin, I'll answer your question tomorrow. Right now I am finally off to sleep, without having to count sheeple!
It's her blog. If she wants to come on here eating beer cheese and garlic beer, she can. She can ask what she wants, say what she wants, talk to anyone she wants. It's her blog. She doesn't owe it to us. She invites us in, but it's still her blog to say or not say whatever
suits her.
Could you just let her speak for herself, please.
I think it will be ignored not because it's self published but because the media is used to much bigger child abuse scandals. They are used to things like child sex abuse rings. A little spanking with a spoon isn't a big scandal to most media outlets. They'll probably say so what, there's lots of stories of celebs hitting their kids, and it's old news that Kate spanks her kids. Slow news day. I don't even think it would be scandalous if this were most celebs, unless it's a really, really squeaky clean celeb. That's not Kate. The media already knows she's vile. What's one more thing. Anyway that's just how I think it will be taken.
I believe the very imperfect fans of Kate beat their kids too.
I did like the fact that RH, said he was annoying for being annoying in not publishing the dead sea scroll.
Let's face it Exhibit A... is FucXed.
Why do you say things about Robert or Jon saying private emails to YOU and you want to know what other people in the *know* about, but you won't give up crap?
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Whaa, whaa? I've told you everything Robert told me, which was pretty much nothing. I know nothing else you don't know. You can email him yourself just like I did. His email is right on his blog. He hasn't even told me when, or at this point, if we're getting an advanced copy. He said we would but hasn't sent it yet. *Shrugs*
I was asking Lancaster about what she knows about whether PA will try to update their antiquated child abuse laws, since she said they're working on it. I don't believe it to be super secret insider knowledge, LOL! Usually when legislation is on the table to be changed it's all public.
I suppose I could google it, but I want Lancaster, as a local, to tell me. I like her perspective.
Could you just let her speak for herself, please.
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Yes really. Because I hate beer cheese and garlic beer.
Here is proof that has been out there for awhile. Explain this one, Sheeple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v60xIr51mOQ
What's the sheeples' explanation for why the great and powerful Marty Singer, named entertainment lawyer of the year by the Beverly Hills Bar Association, reportedly bills $1,000 or more an hour, was not able to stop a tiny little self published kindle book?
I really want to know.
I've been noticing the research over the past several years is more and more moving in the direction that spanking is detrimental to kids. It used to be oh there's no difference. I'm a conspiracy theorist who thinks no one wanted to upset the majority of parents who were doing it. Now that fewer people are doing it it's more acceptable to say it might not be a good idea.
This August study from Michigan found that one out of four caregivers publicly spanked their kids, but that kids not spanked were more likely to comply with what was asked of them and showed less pouting and sulking than spanked kids.
Another study from July found that kids who experience harsh physical punishment like spanking, slapping, hitting, grabbing or shoving as a regular means of discipline were significantly more likely to have a mood, anxiety or personality disorder or abuse drugs as adults.
Poor kids.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57487619-10391704/parents-publicly-spank-their-kids-in-surprising-numbers-researchers/
However, I accept that some people, perhaps because of their own disappointments, can only view Jon in a negative light. No matter what he has done since to become a better man & father, it will never be enough. That shows an inflexibility and hardness of spirit.
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What's interesting to me is that some of them were demanding Jon go to the media and report the child abuse to the court of public opinion. And yet those very same people were on here all summer saying how DARE Jon give two whole interviews to the press in the past 12 months, how dare he! He just did it to make money! His girlfriend is a fame whore! So is Jon allowed to go to the media with his thoughts or is he not? He can't win. You know that the second he goes to the media complaining about child abuse the accusations will follow about just doing it for money, etc.
I think everyone here wants to know what Jon did to help, and also what everyone else in their lives who may have seen something did. But that's Jon stuck between a rock and a hard place again. If he gives an interview defending himself there go the media whore cries again.
To me it goes back to what Jon himself said a long time ago. His kids know the truth. His kids know what Jon did or didn't do, and they are the ones that will have to live with that, not us.
A truly psychopathic narcissist, that beating, humiliating, pinching, hair pulling, screaming and name calling babies and toddlers should win HER attention and sympathy.
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Dwindle I had the same thought. I think she thought the long detailed stories of being so upset with the kids she had to hurt them, would draw sympathy. Poor thing with eight kids and a deadbeat husband, wow I would snap too! She is completely unable to see it from any other perspective.
Someone, probably Beth and other people involved in the book, had to explain to her that those particular stories could NOT go in the book. I bet that ticked her off. It's her book and she knows what should go in it! That was probably the beginning of the end for Beth, I bet even she was shocked at the thoughts Kate had put down on paper.
They said there was food and the house was clean and the kids,4 and 5, would not talk about abuse and there wasn't any outside appearance that they were neglected or abused so they couldn't do anything.
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Njay thanks for sharing this.
Can I just say that in my experience if kids are going to be tight lipped about abuse there is NOTHING anyone can do. Social workers get intensive training in order to entice kids into talking. Because without kids talking the case will, 99% of the time, fall flat on its face, especially if there are no outward signs. Parents are often found out later to have threatened the kids if they talk.
I, and plenty of my fellow females, have no problems sharing beds. We do it on port calls in hotels to save money on hotel rooms. Nothing weird, it's like sharing a bed with your sister.
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See you're doing it to save money. I'm not talking about that. I'm sure I shared a bed with my sister and I think a cousin back in the day at weddings or whatever. I'm talking about people who have money, like Kate does, voluntarily sleeping in the same bed because they want to, even when you could easily get another bed. The question becomes if you had plenty of money for your own bed would you choose that or still choose to cuddle up with another grown woman? I find it hard to believe most women wouldn't just choose their own bed.
Kate's supporters have already excused all the "gates" and think Robert and Dana are just jellus and haters.
Kids being exploited and blatant, self-admitted child abuse will be overlooked too.
These Ignorant Women have their lives wrapped up in protecting Kate Gosselin, no matter the financial cost or the harm to others: first and foremost is their idol.
Before their own kids, before their husabands, even more than their own health is LESS imporertant than defending a child-beating bunt.
I can't help but feel they defend when they see themselves in Kate.
If Kate locks her kids in their bedrooms to the point that dressers turn over and glass is broken (Kate's words), these pooR excuses will forgive themselves if they did the same thing but a child was hurt. Rather than feel guilty, they are validated by Kate.
Everyone has their own opinions on spanking.Thats ok...we can agree to disagree. I think abuse isn't such a fine line.
Signs that you might be an abuser?
When you raise you'r arms/hands not aimed at you'r children and they cringe...
When you raise you'r voice and you'r children stop dead in their tracks...
When you'r first reaction is to grab the spoon and start hitting you'r children ask questions later....
When you'r kids are asked a simple question like what is you'r favorite ice cream flavor and they look at you like deer caught in the headlights waiting to get you'r ok...
Asking for a drink of water,being denied,saying you'r mean,regretting that comment,sitting through the rest of the interview knowing you'r in for it..
Running over a hose in the driveway and seeing your mothers face turn 5 different colors..
Having a child needing to poop so bad that he's in pain,You don't care,picking out new free beds are more important!....
Being disgusted by a sick child,how dare he vomit and make you clean up after him! You place him on the cold hard laundry room floor and don't forget to shut the lights off on him.
Answer 1 or more of these? You are an abuser!
Kate...you didn't spank to teach a lesson,you beat to instill fear.I do believe the difference is quiet clear!
Light at the end of the tunnel
Re: Sharing beds - I think it's less that Jaime and Kate have a lesbian relationship (although that's their concern, ultimately. After all, someone's sexuality should only matter if you want to be intimate with them and I DEFINITELY DO NOT wish to do that with Kate!) but more that the two women have never progressed past adolescence.
I have slept with friends and I have also slept alone. I admit, as I've gotten older more and more I'll pay the extra amount and get my own hotel room. 1) I don't have to worry that I'm inconveniencing anyone with my snoring and 2) I can go to sleep when I feel like.
When I slept with friends when I was younger, it was usually to share accommodations. Again, I think that this is a disputable matter and one we can agree to disagree on. If you like sleeping with your friends, fine. If you don't, fine too.
As for Jaime and Kate, again I think it's two women who never grew up past 13.
Holy cow...talk about a ton of posts to read through today! Almost caught up but I just wanted to say a couple of things before I forget:
- Admin....you are going to have an absolute field day when it comes to Kate's 2012 Year In Review!!!
- Kreider does not posess even one single cell of 'motherhood' in her body. Her cruel indifference to her own children makes complete sense now with all that has come out today. She is an abuser, plain and simple, both physically and emotionally. I'm quite sure we could post examples of this 24 hours a day for a week there are so many. She has NO genuine love for those poor children. This sheds new light on things caught on film...for instance...her behavior on the deep sea fishing excursion. She's thinking " yay! This makes for great teevee! Please tell me you got all the money shots! Can I FINALLY fish yet or what? Yay meee!"
There are really no words for how much of a disgusting pig she is.
Do you all remember the episode where they gave "tips" on how to.discipline? Smoke and mirrors from the very begiining! And the absolute AUDACITY to think they could give advice? Showbiz needs an outing like no other, this coverup shit HAS to be rampant, it can't only.be TLC...
Something else to ponder....you know how it's been talked about here many times over the last few years about how it's weird that she has the G8 watch never ending episodes of 'R show'. I wonder if that is kind of a mind-%uck for the kids. Like, by making them watch over and over again, she will never let them forget who is boss, what they're in for if acting out of line...just how mean she has been. Make sure Mommy is happy or watch it! She also has stated on the show many times that they would have nothing, go nowhere, etc if not for TLC. That could also reinforce to the kids, now that they are older, that IF any of them 'talk', they'll lose everything. If they don't play happy, happy, fun, fun...same deal. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that they are all somewhat brainwashed. They are so secluded, so controlled. She is a monster. I hope the kids are freed from this nightmare ASAP and cannot wait to watch Katie Irene get exactly what she deserves. God, I so HATE that bitch!
I found it! Kate puts Collin in the corner and has her spoon in her hand! 4:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-LFbuVDt7U
Was Collin the one that got blamed for the globe?
Admin should start a new thread with the book cover.
I'm just as sick about this today as I was yesterday.
localyocal #104 -
That clip also has Jon asking Khate when she is going to take the stick out! (3:00 or 3:15)
I think there is another clip. The child (a boy) put into timeout only has a diaper on. And I think Jon is carrying a spoon or spatula.
Loculyocul,
Good for you! No one was stirring lemonade that day. A good still capture is 4:28. Collin in corner, turns and there it is - Spoon in hand. Busted again. There is no way people weren't aware of what she was doing to those babies.
Wasn't there some talk after the Alaska trip that *Todd* Palin wanted to report her for child abuse? And a deal was worked out that the Gosselins would leave right then in exchange for the Palins saying nothing more about it?
Child abuse and Todd being coerced into saying nothing would explain him off by himself fishing instead of being the gracious host.
He clearly had NO USE for Kate.
Takes some balls to abuse your kid in front of all the people that must have been around.
Think about it, you're asked to go camping with a vp candidate, and you're NOT on your very best behavior?
Talk about the opportunity of a lifetime... and all you can do is beat your kids.
Pop up ad for me today.
Become a social worker. work full-time while earning your degree.
start today
(note to Stephanie: try this,it's more rewarding than your current occupation)
Here's the comment I was thinking about:
I cannot confirm this, but I did read somewhere that Kate got angry with Mady for God knows what and was shaking her extremely hard and potentially dangerously. Mady was crying and everyone there evidently saw it. Todd's manager wanted to call the authorities ASAP, but apparently the TLC people intervened and there was quite a long "meeting" during which confidentiality agreements had to be signed that no one would ever speak of this incident to anyone (TLC side) and Palin's side insisted Kate leave IMMEDIATELY! If you watched the show, you can tell that much of it was out of sequence and edited together, especially by looking at the position of peoples' clothes, hats, gloves, etc. While they made it "seem" that Kate left because she was miserable, that is not the truth - not that she was unhappy to leave I would imagine, but probably not under "those" circumstances. Right after they all left the campsite, that is when Kate and Steve "disappeared" for 2 days. I can only speculate on the reason(s) for that...perhaps Kate did have a mini-breakdown?? IF this is all true, again this witch gets away with abuse. Will no one stand up for these kids???
December 14, 2010 3:33 PM
And another one:
I don't believe that Todd Palin gave a whit about Kate, especially after the alleged incident with Mady. From what has been alleged, everybody pretty much wanted to report her for child abuse. She didn't take the kids and leave because of the food or the toilet facilities or the weather - she left because she was ordered to leave after her abusive behavior!
December 7, 2010 2:12 PM
113,562
That's the number of followers on Kate's Twitter feed at the time I'm posting this comment. A handful less than yesterday morning, at around this same time--remarkable, given the inexplicable increase in the number of followers Kate seems to draw to her feed every day.
Everyone loves a "good" train wreck, and people's propensity for forgiveness (if not "turning a blind eye") is fairly high. Still, everyone has their limits as to what kinds of scandals turn them away from someone, completely & forevermore.
So...113,562. It'll be interesting to note how that number changes over the next several days, as more and more details of Hoffman's book get leaked to the general public.
Oh, and Kate? No cheating!!! We know you're capable of buying "fans," but save your kids' hard-earned money, m'kay? See how this experiment unfolds.
calyocul said... 104
I found it! Kate puts Collin in the corner and has her spoon in her hand! 4:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-LFbuVDt7U
Was Collin the one that got blamed for the globe?
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No, Kate had Collin all drugged up by the globe incident. Joel was blamed for that one. "He looked guilty".
OMG. I am going to buy his book this weekend.
calyocul, thanks for that Youtube clip. She must have used the spanker in front of the crew!
Kate is one ugly woman. You can't change that with plastic surgery.
Marie
Does anyone know if the the book available in E-book?
Marie
The photo of Kate on the cover of the book came from this article on INF.
http://www.infdaily.com/2010/08/who-says-kate-gosselin-is-evil-2.html#more-17334
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Hmmmm, wonder if/how Robert obtained permission to use that image for his cover? Was he the "INF Photographer," perhaps?
Oh, and it's interesting to read some of the karma-related comments on that entry, posted about 2 years ago now...
"This book is and always has been about protecting the Gosselin children from further abuse from their mother; the one person they should be able to count on to protect them and keep them safe."
If this were true then RH would not have waited this long to publish. And why publish? Why not just put it all out there on his blog? Or his website? If it were truly ONLY about protecting the kids. That's why this doesn't ring true to me.
New article on Radar. Jon knew about the spoon, didn't approve.
@117...His hands were tied because of Kates lawyers...they were threatening him left and right...I think its much more complicated then you want to believe...there are lawyers in my family and you would not believe how technical everything is...you have to be very careful or open your self up to lawsuits....
Robert, really . . . thank you for writing this book and having the guts to stand up to Kate and her lawyers. The kids will appreciate this one day.
This may finally be the end of Kate. I hope everyone gets the help they need.
Marie
Maybe someone should send a copy to the Judge who controls the custody of the Gosselin children.
Marie
I hope Robert keeps his website. It would be nice if he would answer some of our questions or respond to the sheeple explanations. The back story may be just as interesting as the story he will publish.
I would not dismiss his book too quickly. This is firing up the blogs; if there is new material and Robert continues his alliance with Radar, other tabloids will pick up what's in the book. That said, I believe the main stream media is reluctant to criticize another cable network (there is mostly trash on TV these days) but I would not be surprised to see some ex-TLC employees, ex-Gosselin employees, and family members feel they can now go public. Remember, it was the Enquirer that brought down John Edwards. The main stream media pooh-poohed them at first.I thought it was a bunch of baloney too. There were rumors for years of his skirt chasing.
TLC is watching this unfold and just like Robert said, they are preparing their spin.
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@117...His hands were tied because of Kates lawyers...they were threatening him left and right...I think its much more complicated then you want to believe...there are lawyers in my family and you would not believe how technical everything is...you have to be very careful or open your self up to lawsuits....
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This is exactly what happened and Robert explained this back in June on his blog.
He said that if he was just a single guy he would have just put it all out there cold and let the chips fall where they may. But he has a wife and 3 children to consider. While the taunting was a little off-putting, it got Kate's attention and it got her lawyers involved. All these months later, the lawyers could not stop it and he can now publish free & clear.
INF Daily picked up the story...and posted pictures from the fall photo shoot and her skanky blue oneie & black legging outfit. UGH!
I think Kate and Jamie are weird and I'm not going to apologize for it. I don't think that makes me narrow minded, I think it makes me discerning and aware of dysfunctional relationships.
You are free to think otherwise though.
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I agree, and I think it is weird because she DEADBOLTS her bedroom door, no one allowed in, husband banished to the basement/garage, NEVER touches her kids in an affectionate manner, never seen HUGGING anyone in 150+ episodes.
Yet, at bedtime? Jamie JUMP right on into my bed!!
Its weird, out of character and does not fit into her behavior patterns.
heather
Poor Kate...she wants to tweet so badly,lol....poor thang, she needs a fix and can't get one.
I hope Mr. Hoffman gives photographic evidence Kate wrote down her abusive behaviors.If proof is given there's just no way her TWO fans can justify her actions.
If the kids were with Kate last night, I bet she was super subdued around them. She's going to be walking on eggshells thinking cps workers will show up to the school and talk to her kids.
Wouldn't it be great if Robert gives evidence of Kate ridiculing her fans for sending her stuff? that would be awesome.
Another episode where a kid is send to time out and Kate has something in her hand:She sends A to timeout for biting C after she sits him down on the step there is a cut and next thing you know A is crying.Watch at min 9:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRV1zsKy-6c
Another sad aspect of 'globe-gate' was the bitch naming Cara as the one who suggested that Joel 'looked' guilty. Name that one but don't name the kid who actually did the damage, just make her privately apologize to Joel. Don't tell the other kids Joel didn't do it and certainly don't publish it on twitter, CC, her blog, NOWHERE! Just another reason to label her the most disgusting piece of shit.
A few thoughts on the next few weeks. I think many shows are already done with her (The View in particular). However, a few shows may come calling offering to interview her. As much as she will be advised to say nothing and hope this blows over, she will be unable to resist going into NYC to "set the record straight." Going into NYC and on TeeVee is her drug of choice-she is unable to stop her addiction. She will say her computer was stolen or Jon took it and will say the journals were changed and embellished. She will also say that she is planning on suing RH and anyone involved in the theft of her hard drive (although we all know she will not). Think about it, many celebrities who have unflattering stories published always say they are going to sue and never do. They just wait for the wave to pass.
Long time lurker-first time poster. Love this blog and the people on it. Love the recipes, book reviews, etc.
Just looking at the picture on RH's blog...Kate's teeth look really strange - almost like the veneers only cover 1/2 her teeth. Maybe it's just a problem with the photo...but wow.
And yes, grown women choosing to sleep in the same bed behind a locked door in a mansion is not "normal".
Aggiemom, 126...good math.
We have several of Kate's own blog entries and stories where she is PROUD of how she "mothered' through a situation. Globe-gate is one. In her pride she details what many of us thought was mean and tyrannical, not award-winning.
I want every news outlet to find this story interesting. I want her to be accountable and to get help.
Another one said... 127
Another episode where a kid is send to time out and Kate has something in her hand:She sends A to timeout for biting C after she sits him down on the step there is a cut and next thing you know A is crying.Watch at min 9:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRV1zsKy-6c
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Those kids, they are jus jellus of kate and her millions and they act up on purpose ;)
Robert mentioned a TMZ coverup. Well, they have not mentioned his story.
The latest ROL story that Jon did not approve of the spanker...from an insider...I think the insider is Robert.
aggiemom09121416 said... 126
Poor Kate...she wants to tweet so badly,lol....poor thang, she needs a fix and can't get one.
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Yep, no GN or GM tweets. Wonder if she'll manage to post her Newsflash! hot deal every wkday! @Couponcabin tweet.
Random Acts of Kindness said... 129
...."A few thoughts on the next few weeks. I think many shows are already done with her (The View in particular). However, a few shows may come calling offering to interview her. As much as she will be advised to say nothing and hope this blows over, she will be unable to resist going into NYC to "set the record straight." Going into NYC and on TeeVee is her drug of choice-she is unable to stop her addiction."
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Welcome Random Acts!
I think you're right about how Khate will spin this. Will she turn down a chance to do her beloved 'setting the record straight' and go to NYC? No. Here's the wrinkle though. Kate was used to giving Ann Curry, the View ladies, The Talk ladies, etc. a set in stone set of permissible questions/topics and Kate had rehearsed answers for all. Does Kate have the klout to demand this now? I'm kind of thinking (hoping) that she no longer gets control over interview content. Because this info has already been vetted, they don't have to tiptoe around her anymore and throw softballs.
I had originally though Kate would be defiant and unapologetic, (until you've walked in my shoes don't judge me. waaaaahhhh) but I think you may be right about her huffing & puffing about suing, then not doing it.
OK< I'm not a tweeter, don't understand twitter at all.
Has Kate not tweeted today? How come there are no tweets at the top of this page?
heather
I know there are many, many instances of Kreiders cruelty ( bawling, constipated baby that she ignores in order to grift her free furniture ) but, as a Mom to 3 boys it always breaks my heart about how she treats her own little guys. She couldn't even be bothered to attend any of the boys 'special day' alone with MOM and Dad! How could she possibly be so cruel to them? Can you even imagine how those little boys felt? So heartbreaking. Plus to have the audacity to deny them their very own, baked/decorated by the se
Dmasy, thanks! It took me a while but I finally figured it out. She has a few other strange fans but they don't tweet like those two do.
Wonder what Kate's doing today???
I guess you have to be careful what you wish for. As a teen Kate carried around that book about multiples, wanted multiples, and got multiples. I guess she was shocked hers weren't like the ones in the book's pictures....clean, adorable, always behaving and silent. She wanted hers in book form, too....
Where's Dwindle this morning? last I saw she was on her second bottle of tequila and floating in the kiddie pool. She's really gonna be upset when she sees the makeover SeeSaw did to her. How long does it take for eyebrows to grow back?
:)
Anonymous at 137
We've been noting her (relative) silence on Twitter. :)
By the way, you don't have to use/understand Twitter to follow her Twitter conversation. Try
http://twitiq.com/kateplusmy8
Or
https://twitter.com/Kateplusmy8/with_replies
Sorry....continued from above: deny the birthday cupcakes they had decorated by themselves...over something so trivial...you boys did not eat enough to have your birthday cupcakes....just sit here crying and be tortured by watching the golden girls eat theirs! Jon, on that occasion, was as guilty as Kreider and I just could never, ever imagine being so mean to any of my children. Gotta love how they tried to deflect from how bad that looked on them by saying " oh, they didn't even remember about them the next day. It was no big deal to them. They were just fine" yadda, yadda, roll eyes for more drama.
I do think that was the one and only time on the show that I thought Jon was a jerk or mean in anyway to those kids but I was still pretty pissed at him then for not sticking up for them and just let the boys have their birthday treats.
Does anyone else believe that Kate is in contact with TLC and working out a defense because this ultimately looks bad for TLC also.
Marie
Admin, if you e-mail w/ Robert, will you be asking HOW we can get hold of this book? Thanks.
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As for sleeping with Jamie, when other beds are available it's a bit weird, but the other behaviors like dressing alike, the Jamie-all-over Kate pics, the necklaces just add fuel to the fire. But Jamie has moved on and is married again.
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Anyone recall Kate carrying a baton-like tube in the E-town episodes? Was it for discipline? Idk.
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Does anyone else believe that Kate is in contact with TLC and working out a defense because this ultimately looks bad for TLC also.
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Nope. TLC is done with her- the attention is all on their latest greatest reality star (Honey Boo Boo Bhild).
I think Kate is getting a cold shoulder
from TLC/Discovery, ABC, CBS, NBC, abc, 123, all forms of t.v. lunacy...
Kate's yesterday's moldy news.
Admin - any chance Kate and her attorneys could get an injunction (not sure that's the correct legal term) to stop publication?
It would be funny if TLC turns on Kate if anyone attempts to blame TLC. I am sure they have cya plans in place and they don't include helping Kate! The final revenge.
From the supposed Laurie Goldberg memo:
The kids aren't being put to work, they are going about their daily lives as they normally would -- instead of dad documenting their lives; a small crew does.
Looks like Kate got confused on what she was supposed to say. She was supposed to say that instead of the kids' dad filming them a small crew films them.
She didn't read it right and ends up saying: The crew dads film the kids.
She was also supposed to say "the kids are going about their daily lives" and instead says the kids are just playing, in and out of the frame.
Yeah, Kate. My kids always just stand around doing nothing, waiting for the next "take". And they always ask to say their lines over.
Formerly Duped said... 143
Admin, if you e-mail w/ Robert, will you be asking HOW we can get hold of this book? Thanks.
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As for sleeping with Jamie, when other beds are available it's a bit weird, but the other behaviors like dressing alike, the Jamie-all-over Kate pics, the necklaces just add fuel to the fire. But Jamie has moved on and is married again.
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Anyone recall Kate carrying a baton-like tube in the E-town episodes? Was it for discipline? Idk.
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Oh No! Wasn't there a pastor who wrote a book about hitting kids with piece of narrow PVC pipe? Allegedly one couple went way too far and damaged the kidneys of one child and caused another to die from kidney failure.
His sick reason for writing this book was to trumpet the saftey of beating kids with plastic pipe as opposed to a wooden paddle or belt. Disgusting.
I think TLC might be preparing a statement for themselves -- IF it goes that far. I don't think they are concerned about Kate. They will sink her to save themselves from contamination.
She has Milo...
Kate talking about the kids just playing around her, in and out of the frame...did that kind of talk start about the same time she started talking about crew dads?
Both those things were new, they weren't something she'd been saying all along. Did she start saying them about the time the Laurie Goldberg memo was written?
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Oh No! Wasn't there a pastor who wrote a book about hitting kids with piece of narrow PVC pipe? Allegedly one couple went way too far and damaged the kidneys of one child and caused another to die from kidney failure.
His sick reason for writing this book was to trumpet the saftey of beating kids with plastic pipe as opposed to a wooden paddle or belt. Disgusting.
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Not quite right, Wayward. His reason for suggesting PVC pipe was that it didn't leave marks like a wooden paddle or belt. So you could beat children without leaving any pesky evidence.
This was funny in Twitter. Someone tweeted: you remember how Kate said on the show she could tell which of the sextuplets was by her legs in the kitchen without looking down? She could by touching the tops of their heads and hair. The tweeter said real reason was from the hair pulling. Funny but sad.
Admin, I agree with you the main media will probably not follow up on this. No one really cares about Ms Kreider anymore. She is mean and nasty to her ex, the kids, the employees, to anyone who does not know how to help her, to Saint Tony even! Her meanness to the kids does not reach the level of sensationalism that Nancy Grace requires, no blood or bone showing. As admin has said before, being a sucky parent does not reach the level where CPS.will take action if they have clothing, food, and a roof over their heads.
Ms Kreider is just too boring for the larger media to care.
Some of the kids, if not all, are really going to rebel when they get big enough that they can wield the spoon, or another implement of ”discipline”.
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wayward said... 148
Oh No! Wasn't there a pastor who wrote a book about hitting kids with piece of narrow PVC pipe? Allegedly one couple went way too far and damaged the kidneys of one child and caused another to die from kidney failure.
His sick reason for writing this book was to trumpet the saftey of beating kids with plastic pipe as opposed to a wooden paddle or belt. Disgusting.
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Not quite right, Wayward. His reason for suggesting PVC pipe was that it didn't leave marks like a wooden paddle or belt. So you could beat children without leaving any pesky evidence.
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:( Heartbreaking.
So if the mainstream media ignores all this, do you still think all the book's revelations will squash her fame-whore ambitions once and for all?
Pink slime, I hope the book's details will follow her around like a bad stink drawing flies!
For those commenting on the Radar article about spanking not being abuse, well how about pulling a child by the hair. Is that good enough to call abuse. People just continue to astound me.
pink slime...155, I've been wondering this, too.
I'm afraid that she'll still go on interviews and no one will even ask about this book and its revelations. Her PR people, so far, have been able to make sure no hard-hitting questions are asked of her. She always manages to come up smelling like a rose. Even the E! program on her didn't seem to cause a ripple.
I think Kate BEEN done for a while...I think people in the industry "know" her....at the very least this will put the final nail in her coffin...no one wants to be associated with a child abuser...very taboo...shes not worth taking a chance on..believe me..they are very aware of what shes about....thats why no offers or interviews lately....theres always gonna be a few degenerates out there who will defend her...but too few to mention...SHES DONE!! This will get rid of whats left of her...
She's come Undone, and those parents who defend spanking failed to notice that she said "whipped" not spanked. I agree, astounding...and appalling.
Hello all. I've been a long time lurker but in the light of this book I just couldn't sit here and be a passive,closet, bystander anymore. Like most people here, I was J&K fan until gumgate. That really did it for me.
Now we have proof (yes, I believe RH)that all we feared, and worse, is true.
Now my fear is that teflon Khate will slide away from this unscathed. So, I for one am going to do my best to get this story out to as many people as I can. Abusers thrive in the dark where no one knows. It's only in the light that they loose their power.
So I am contacting every news/talk show website I can think of and sending them the link to the Gosselin Book. I encourage everyone here to do the same thing. Maybe if they get enough "what would you like to see on our show" responses from us we can get a lot of attention for this book. By they way, I don't give a tinker's damn if RH makes $$$$$$ from it! This is much more that $ signs...it's about saving 8 children from physical and emotional abuse. God bless the whistle blowers!
BTW~thank you all for years of tears,laughter,recipes and validations that I have enjoyed "lurking" around here.
I haven't read all the comments yet,cos I'm just getting over emergency surgery on my hernia. My colon was wrapped up in it and the pain was awful. So I'm just getting to the point that I can sit up for awhile and read the comments. I would just like to know when this book is coming out if anyone knows. Glad to be back.
NT, I hope your recovery is swift. Maybe you will have an interesting book to keep you somewhat distracted.
NT said... 162
I haven't read all the comments yet,cos I'm just getting over emergency surgery on my hernia. My colon was wrapped up in it and the pain was awful. So I'm just getting to the point that I can sit up for awhile and read the comments. I would just like to know when this book is coming out if anyone knows. Glad to be back.
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May you heal quickly, with little (or no pain), NT.
Be well-
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Some people might think she will walk away unscathed...she has to go out in public and thats all people will think about and she knows it....she might escape an uproar..but she has to live with this in her own tortured mind...that will never go away...it will kill her if she thinks that the public sees her as a proven child abuser...hope she sleeps like a baby at night..NOT!!!
She's come undone said... 157
For those commenting on the Radar article about spanking not being abuse, well how about pulling a child by the hair. Is that good enough to call abuse. People just continue to astound me.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the commenters on ROL and similar sites. There's a whole culture of people who like the "attention" they get from posting shocking responses to posts like the KK articles. What they do, or think, in real life isn't necessarily relevant.
Those commenters are the mini version of KK's consummate fame whoredom.
Other sites will provoke comments that are much more germane to the actual subject discussed. ROL, TMZ, etc. attract comments which are much more like theater than they are about issues.
I doubt KK will be doing any interviews over this subject, or even over the book. She's not capable of holding it together through a response to the book, and she's just too messy at this point.
The lies have pile up like manure, and she's just not appealing (or sellable) on any level any longer, except for a few deluded types who think she hit a lottery they'd like to win.
KAT said... 159 I think Kate BEEN done for a while...people in the industry "know" her....this will put the final nail in her coffin...no one wants to be associated with a child abuser...very taboo
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I agree with KAT completely. So far no sign of the mainstream media picking up on this story and to that I say GOOD! We all know Kate well enough by now to know she's undoubtedly thinking of how this might benefit her in her quest for even a guest shot on TV. But KAT is right, child abuse is taboo and she will never be able to convince everyone of her innocence (in large part because she is not innocent). More importantly, she is a terrible talk show guest with NO gift of the gab, despite what she says. No Kate, I don't think your typical sniffling, dabbing at poor-me tears, stonewalling, eye rolling, shoulder shrugging, stammering, leg swinging, cuticle picking style will bail you out of this one. Even those with no experience spotting the body language of a liar will be convinced by you this time. And all of this assuming if (and that's a big if) she gets any TV mileage out of this at all.
One of the most shocking aspects of this whole mess is the reaction of her few die-hard fANS. I don't know why I would be surprised, but it seems not a single one is even willing to take a 'wait and see' attitude under these extreme accusations. It is strictly ostrich-head-in-sand with all of them, followed by platitudes, high-fives, 'proud of you Kate', etc. Most of these women are mothers. I am honestly stunned that they can't even consider the possibility that these charges could be true. AND that they are willing to state this in public. They should all be ashamed. There's been more than enough 'proof' out there on videotape for years.
Things that make you go hmmmmm:
Milo flew to an undisclosed location yesterday for (wait for it) a series of business meetings.
Say what?!?
Milo, who struggles each day to walk further distances without assistance; Milo, who worries what other people (i.e. Kate) will think of her physical appearance; Milo, who has a Lights Out Man....
This Tweeter said it best:
@XXXX @MiloandJack exactly what I thought...u dailywander the woods...now u r in big business negotiations...REALLY
NT:
Oh, painful! Wishing you a speedy recovery.
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kate's stick looked like it was very hard cardboard or even wood- I'll look for a clip. She carried it around while supervising the tups. Why would someone be carrying that if they did not have a 'use' for it?
She's come undone said... 157
For those commenting on the Radar article about spanking not being abuse, well how about pulling a child by the hair. Is that good enough to call abuse. People just continue to astound me.
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I saw similar comments on the HuffPost article about Mady and the shoes. So many people said "big deal, big whoop, she's playing dress-up, so what. I did too at that age."
So did I! I loved putting on my mom's high heels and dresses. The big, BIG difference here is that my mother did not take pictures and broadcast them to the world!! Of course girls will play dress up, but they are entitled to privacy and protection from being ogled by pedophiles.
Now the "it's just spanking, no big whoop" comments are rolling out. Even when the person doing the spanking describes- in her own words- episodes of blind rage and fear of harming her children. Really? Taking a few M&Ms warrants a chid getting yanked by their hair and spanked "hard?"
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Dmasy said... 160
She's come Undone, and those parents who defend spanking failed to notice that she said "whipped" not spanked. I agree, astounding...and appalling.
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Dmasy, I interpereted that disgusting statement to meant she flung or threw him into his crib very hard. Either way, just too sad for words.
Formerly Duped said... 143
Anyone recall Kate carrying a baton-like tube in the E-town episodes? Was it for discipline? Idk.
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I do. It looks exactly like the very dense and hard cardboard tube from a Saran Wrap roll. I actually think that was her weapon of choice in that clip inside the house, not a spoon. It's too thick to be the handle of a wooden spoon. You can clearly see it in the Garage Makeover epi @9:50
To me it goes back to what Jon himself said a long time ago. His kids know the truth. His kids know what Jon did or didn't do, and they are the ones that will have to live with that, not us. 94
AMEN. Jon doesn’t owe us (or the sheeple)anything.
Kate's yesterday's moldy news. 144
I think THAT is the reason this story hasn’t been picked up by mainstream media.
Everyone is focusing on the wooden spoon, which is terrible, but picking up a baby by his hair is just criminal. She's a monster!
Thank you all for the well wishes. My 30 staples came out yesterday and now I have those butterfly strips on me and there is no pain anymore,but just uncomfortable and tight. But I can deal with that. If anyone reads about when this book comes please post it here. It's funny how people you don't know can make your day by simply wishing you well. Thank you again and I'm glad I belong to this blog.
She's come undone and Dmasy -- I tried reading some of those comments on ROL too, and had to stop because I could feel my blood pressure rising. What don't these people get? We're not talking about a quick swat on a covered behind with an open hand. We're talking about hitting TWO YEAR OLD BABIES with a wooden or plastic spoon, repeatedly, for behaving in an age appropriate manner!!!!!!!! (Yes, all those !! are necessary!)!!!!!!!! And then there are the posters who are, predictably, turning it around to blame Jon. "She wouldn't have needed to do it if Jon had done his share of child care". Um, what show were they watching? Jon is the one who did the bulk of the child care while KK lounged around in her white throne screeching out orders, or slept comfortably in her bed. Or "Jon should have made her stop" Um, HOW? Beat her with the spoon? Has ANYONE been able to stop her doing anything when she got it into her mind to do something? ARGH! I need a rumspringa or three.
Random Acts and Heartbroken -- Welcome to the blog.
Good Lord, how can people compare a swat on the botton with pulling a toddler up by their hair and beating the crap out of them?
If her last 3 fans are refusing to believe any of this....its because theres some form of conning, abuse or some unsavory act in their own world....they feel a need to protect her because she's one of "them"...Theres always a reason behind certain behaviors....thats the reason behind all the condoning of this monster...also the unreasonable defending of her is a sign of dysfunction in their own familys...they almost don't know right from wrong....sick I know
If this were true then RH would not have waited this long to publish. And why publish? Why not just put it all out there on his blog? Or his website? If it were truly ONLY about protecting the kids. That's why this doesn't ring true to me.
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Did you read the c&d letter? If you were to receive such a letter from a gorilla entertainment lawyer in LA, one that ended with "You act at your own peril. Govern yourself accordingly," would you have run right out and published the book (or put it on a blog) without getting legal advice, knowing that Kate could have sued the pants off you, taking everything you own?
Legal matters take time, sometimes years, all the while YOU are paying for their services. And yet, he plodded forth, not giving up, not selling out, until apparently he finally has clearance to publish it. Actually, knowing how slowly some things move among lawyers, I'm surprised it happened this quickly.
Isn't Julie Carson May STILL her manager/ PR person? I thought she kept her on after TLC gave Kate the boot. I thought Julie was the one responsible for the new marathon Kate.
The View is going to have something on about Kate. Just saw the intro for the show.
NT, so sorry to hear about your surgery! Hoping you have a fast and uncomplicated recovery! Enjoy the pain meds, but not too much!
So with everyone recalling catching glimpses of something in Kate's hand on the show, NO DOUBT, FREAKIN NO DOUBT, Jen Stocks and crew witnessed her spank those babies and it was all caught on film but edited out. Wow. I feel horrible when a complete stranger slaps their kid in a store. How could these people who practically lived with the family watch her do this day after day?
OT...need help. Packing for my trip with a new iPad. It will not allow me to post -- in my account name or anonymous. Post just disappears when I hit publish. Anyone have a advice for this clueless mom. Wonder son is in the sky on his way to Scotland, he can't help me now! Thank you in advance.
Blowing In The Wind said... 178
Legal matters take time, sometimes years, all the while YOU are paying for their services. And yet, he plodded forth, not giving up, not selling out, until apparently he finally has clearance to publish it. Actually, knowing how slowly some things move among lawyers, I'm surprised it happened this quickly.
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I suspect KK paid for the original letter from her lawyers, and then learned what creating all those delays would cost HER.
It was probably one hell of a shock that her lawyers were expecting to be paid to continue to block the book. It's a lot harder to grift legal services than toilet paper.
At that point, I think she decided that she could weather the book, perhaps thinking that she'd be vindicated once people knew how horrible her life was/is with all those awful children.
Narcissism is a wondrous and amazing thing.
She's scum. Those of us who saw clips of the show had every reason to believe that the real lives of those children were (and are) just as awful as the "editing" suggested.
Now we know just how right we were. Those poor, poor, damaged children.
The View? When?
Kate just tweeted. I saw on her twitter whatever the timestamp is 8:05. Does that mean she is on the West Coast, or does twitter use PST for its timestamp?
heather
Today? I was in another room and heard Kate's name and spoon mentioned. when they announced "coming up on the View". They do have a segment on Thurs. called "Reality Show Roundup", do it may be a part of than segment.
Kate is a Twit, if you watch the View, please comment about it. Thanks.
Robert sent me our advanced copy of the book this morning. He doesn't want me to say too much until a media outlet publishes their story.
I'll say this, the bulk of the book is made up of Kate's own emails back and forth with various people. The bulk of the book is in Kate's own words. It will be hard to deny it unless they're suggesting he just made those emails up. Her greed, God complex, and level of mental illness will astound.
There are more disturbing details about the abuse. He also has four sources that said exactly what my source said--Kate was abused as a child.
AuntieAnn said... 171
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Great catch- yes, that's it. Garage Makeover.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRV1zsKy-6c
It was in other episodes too-. It looks very hard ( harder but shorter than Saran rolls even!)and why was she carrying it all the time? When she put Aaden in timeout she said "sit, stay." like he was a dog.
Not saying for sure she hit the kids with it, but you really could aim your blows accurately on a small child and they you could badly hurt someone. What other purpose could that stick- (club) have?
First tweet today is a CC promo. I don't think she tweets those. Do not know anything about Twitter but wonder if you work for a business they can tweet for you on your account? Every time one if those CC tweets pops up it doesn't have Kate's stink to it.
Paula 130,
For me, sleeping same sex or opposite sex is not important.
For me, her LYING and 'cover-up' and 'playing coy with her audience' is what irks me. I don't care if she's straight, bi- or gay; I have lovely friends who fall everywhere on that continuum. Just own it, be honest, quit lying.
To me, honesty is a shining character trait. She isn't shining.
I didn't mean to put a question mark after Today in my previous post. It is today. I'm recording it, so I'll let everyone know what they say later.
Anonymous said... 186 Kate just tweeted.
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Yeah...interesting p.r. ploy.
When your Twitter feed is blowing up with child abuse accusations, you clear the path for a @couponcabin special, but ignore everything else. #priorities
admin- so Robert does not have a publisher? 'This weekend'-what does that mean? Wouldn't Amazon have it for pre-order if it is really coming out? I'm anxious to read it as I'm sure everyone who is interested in the welfare of the kids does as well.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 189
Robert sent me our advanced copy of the book this morning. He doesn't want me to say too much until a media outlet publishes their story.
I'll say this, the bulk of the book is made up of Kate's own emails back and forth with various people. The bulk of the book is in Kate's own words. It will be hard to deny it unless they're suggesting he just made those emails up. Her greed, God complex, and level of mental illness will astound.
There are more disturbing details about the abuse. He also has four sources that said exactly what my source said--Kate was abused as a child.
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Thanks for sharing this, Admin. It's so concerning, so upsetting. The bad news just keeps on coming.
Are you able to share if this is self-published? And is there any chance there might be an injunction against it's publication?
Catherine said... 173
Everyone is focusing on the wooden spoon, which is terrible, but picking up a baby by his hair is just criminal. She's a monster!
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I can't even process that scenario in my head.
Child misbehaves- so he gets yanked up by the hair, or spank/whip into submission?
Absolutely UNACCEPTABLE. I don't care how much a child tests you. He or she's smaller than you.
Instead of having cameras in her family's faces every day, Kate should have been in counseling every day.
Well, if the book talks about abuse of her as a child and is picked up by any regular media, I can guess where she will try to go with all of this.
Kate said on the Discipline episode that she was over-disciplined and Jon was under-disciplined.
Admin,
Could you tell us what media outlet is going to publish the book? I want to know where to buy it when its available.
Thanks.
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