According to author Robert Hoffman, who says he is in possession of notes and diaries that Kate used to write Multiple Blessings and Eight Little Faces, Kate wrote entry after entry about disiplining the kids.
The entries include:
- Kate used a wooden spoon she called "The Spanker" to discipline the kids for transgressions as minor as climbing out of their cribs or potty training issues.
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| A wooden spoon was indeed spotted more than once in the pocket of their car door. |
- Kate, in her own words "lost it" when Collin ate some M&Ms without permission.
- Kate “felt like I may hurt his children.”
- Kate preferred the kids out of sight when she was upset where they would be "safe"
- When Collin threw a tantrum, Kate says she “sent him to his crib and whipped him into it very hard...I never felt that I may really seriously injure a child, but today was that day.”
"You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs," the ex-employee reported.
Kate has never denied the allegations in the interview.
1797 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 1797 Newer› Newest»her own emails???? Lets see how she spins this....
Rhymes with Witch said... 172
To me it goes back to what Jon himself said a long time ago. His kids know the truth. His kids know what Jon did or didn't do, and they are the ones that will have to live with that, not us. 94
AMEN. Jon doesn’t owe us (or the sheeple)anything.
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I amen your amen.
My guess is that the worst of this abuse occured when Jon was working at the Capitol and Kate was home alone with them. The early shows clearly depicted Kate sleeping while Jon got her her coffee in bed and 6 babies were bouncing around in their cribs. Kate would reluctantly get up and tend to them. I wonder how he got any work done, as I'm sure she called him every hour to screech and complain. Then lunch and the awful four hour "nap." When she finally got them up & changed, Jon was soon coming home and she washed her hands of them for the evening. This is what's on the tape. What more was he supposed to do?
I believe that the TLC cameramen caught some disturbing things on tape. I believe it was TLC's idea for Jon to quit his job and stay home with her. I believe the 'insider' who came on here once and said Skeeve was initially hired to keep Kate calm during filming. Kate's abuse and seething rage was a fire TLC needed to extinguish to keep the franchise rolling.
If The View picks up the story it might breathe a little life into it.
What I can't get past is the things the children were beaten for. Potty training accidents. My God, that's why it's called potty TRAINING. You're just training. Accidents happen. It seems like it's a very bad idea for a child to associate bodily functions with beatings.
I would say 70% of the book is her emails, diaries, notes and other people's replies to her.
Heck we didn't even need Robert's commentary on it. No offense Robert. :) The words really speak for themselves.
F*CK OFF ELIZABETH!!! YOU TOO SHERRI OMG!!!!
Oh great, she'll use I was abused excuse.
Yep, looks like it was not Beth that gave him the journal notes.. Sure looks like he got the hard drive or the computer she pitched because he has got all the emails too. Wonder how many years' worth? Preesi was on to something.
What did they say?
They probably defended her didn't they. If you had eight kids you would beat the shit out of them too? She was stressed, they were stressing her out, can't blame her for losing it.
America can be one very sick society sometimes. Cheers to all the parents who managed to raise their children without hurting them. I thank you.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 4
If The View picks up the story it might breathe a little life into it.
What I can't get past is the things the children were beaten for. Potty training accidents. My God, that's why it's called potty TRAINING. You're just training. Accidents happen. It seems like it's a very bad idea for a child to associate bodily functions with beatings.
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Funny you should say that...
They only stated that Robert "somehow" got a hold of Kate's diary. So in other words, the media is not getting all the information.
Meanwhile, Elizabeth talked about being raised by an Italian Grandmother who used to hang a paddle on the frig, and Sherri has no problems paddling either...
Elizabeth totally defended her and so did that idiot Sheri....saying that RH was with holding info and didnt report it and that his intentions are suspect...OY VEY....Joy was ready to pounce but Barbra stepped it and changed the subject....on purpose I think.
Oh by the way a few commentors here get mentioned in the book, with their most insightful comments reprinted, including Sherri and Dwindle.
Oh man why didn't they unleash Joy on all this, damn. He was sitting on the book because of a legal battle with MARTY SINGER entertainment lawyer of the year. What is so hard to understand about this?
I don't understand the logic. My grandmother had a paddle. Okay, your grandmother had a paddle. That doesn't make it right. And did your grandmother beat you for having a bathroom accident, something you can't help as a two year old?
Vanessa said... 6
F*CK OFF ELIZABETH!!! YOU TOO SHERRI OMG!!!!
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Sounds like 'ol Julie Carson May called in a favor.............. :(
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 5
I would say 70% of the book is her emails, diaries, notes and other people's replies to her.
Heck we didn't even need Robert's commentary on it. No offense Robert. :) The words really speak for themselves.
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Anybody remember that Shaggy song, "It Wasn't Me"?
That will be Kate's defense.
heather-I've noticed that the time on Kate's tweets has been showing PT instead of ET.
Im telling you Joy was gonna lay into her. She looked like she was gonna burst.....barbra doesnt want to look stupid after declaring her most onteresting person of the year...He really cut the conversation off....
Exactly Kat!! Just because "nonna" beat the crap out of you, does it still not constitute abuse in TODAY'S world?? Khate WHIPPED her toddler son while he was in his crib?? NO chance for escape! Can you just imagine?
Really??!!?? Those morons on the View think beating babies is just fine? That grabbing them by the hair and whipping them in their cribs is a fine method of child-rearing?
Maybe a few hundred commenters here need to set those jerks straight.
No wonder there aren't any effective child abuse laws. Beating and abusing babies and children is apparently just amusing and appropriate.
The book also says that it was TLC people who shut down TWOP.com's Jon and Kate forum. He has actual emails about it. They SUCK, that forum was hysterical. Shame on TWOP for kow-towing. Free speech.
All Kate wants to do whenever something bothers her is have TLC clean up her messes and "sue." She is very litigious, according to her own emails. It's like she doesn't have even an ounce of shame for how much lawyers and lawsuits cost TLC, she just wants it taken care of and she wants it taken care of now. I've never seen such a disconnected, ungrateful celeb. She turned into a diva overnight.
No wonder TLC dumped her, she is just too much to handle and it was only getting worse.
Kates words Admin......How bad is it??
Admin can't you tell us where the book will be available?
The sheeple must be working overtime to figure out a way to to deny Kate's own words.
God bless them, but there's a lot of things our grandparents did that we don't do now because we know better now. And I'm sure our grandchildren will say the same about us. Society learns, grows and evolves.
I mean in their day it was perfectly acceptable to say the N word. But no one would use the logic well my grandpa said that so it's okay to say it today. No, we've LEARNED why that's not a good thing to say just like we've learned it's not a good thing to beat the crap out of kids.
I can't stand faulty logic. I can't even believe The View is still on with those idiots up there. Two of them anyway.
It's pretty bad. There's an incident with Aaden detailed that nearly made me cry. She has serious problems. He also has some sources that speak to her mental illness, which is also what my source talked to me about. Everything is turning out to be corroborated.
On another note, I wonder if reality shows should be required to do psychological examinations of their participants before filming. If they have a serious mental instability, like one requiring meds to function, I think they should be prohibited from participating. We may never had known Kate.....
Is that Elizabeth a complete idiot....I hope she gets tons of emails....that was horendous.....
On another note, I wonder if reality shows should be required to do psychological examinations of their participants before filming. If they have a serious mental instability, like one requiring meds to function, I think they should be prohibited from participating. We may never had known Kate.....
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Admin, my understanding is that they PICK the crazies simply because they make for better television.
heather
My guess is Kate, who has to have the best of everything, yet has to make a buck on everything probably sold or gave her old computer to a nanny, relative or family friend. Fast forward, receiver of the computer is tossed aside just like Beth, Jodi, Jon etc. Robert comes along and asks questions of the receiver of the computer, they can't talk because of CA but would you like to see or buy Kate's old computer.
Screw Sherri and Elizabeth! Their idiots, way to deflect from what the story really is.
(not really anonymous)
nanb
Admin, any details about the end of the show?
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How, where, and when will the book be available to the general public?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 22
On another note, I wonder if reality shows should be required to do psychological examinations of their participants before filming. If they have a serious mental instability, like one requiring meds to function, I think they should be prohibited from participating. We may never had known Kate.....
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If you check, I think you'd find that many claim to. This has come up regarding other shows when participants have committed suicide, or been accused of violent acts.
Just because they give psychological tests, doesn't mean they pay any attention to the results. They're in the fantasy business, and want only one thing: ratings. A little psychological unbalance can do wonders for ratings, at least for a while.
Besides, how psychologically healthy can you be if you agree to this kind of invasion into your private being? Or your family's? Or your defenseless children's?
Vanessa said... 16
Exactly Kat!! Just because "nonna" beat the crap out of you, does it still not constitute abuse in TODAY'S world?? Khate WHIPPED her toddler son while he was in his crib?? NO chance for escape! Can you just imagine?
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Ditto. 30 years ago, the school district I work for regularly paddled kids for even petty transgressions. Today, we are literally not to touch the students in any form or fashion unless it's an emergency. Times change.
Yanking a baby by his hair is much different than Nonna having a paddle hanging on the fridge. Sherri and Elizabeth are both asshats. Shame on Barbara for not allowing a dissenting opinion.
Admin, just asking if you got a paper copy of the book?
I have to ask Admin.....was she diagnosed with anything or can you be more specific....so I can ask my husband what her problems mean.....if theres behavioral or mental issues I might be able to give some insight....
Great analogy admin.
Wonder if when more details emerge, concrete proof, in that bitches own words, will those idiots be so damn flippant? When they have guests on who discuss "their" childhood memories of abuse, they are all tsk tsk tsk poor poor you...I don't understand??!!
On the View, they also showed the picture of the spoon in the van. It was all about the spoon, and Sherri and Elisabeth kept on saying that it was used for "intimidation". Joy did try to get some stuff in, but they talked over her. Joy did say "but SHE had the spoon", when Elisabeth was dissing Robert.
By the way, Robert's name was never mentioned.
Whoopi starts off the segment by saying "this is a crazy thing" and then goes on to describe Robert as "a reporter who helped Kate Gosselin write two of her books"--WTF--so much for fact checking!
I wonder if they even saw the previous article from ROL about the hair-pulling, and the incidents that provoked Kate.
So it was basically glossed over, but at least the story made national TV.
The View does post full episodes online, so it may be up tomorrow if anyone wants to see it.
I am super pissed right now, so please excuse my for any typos.
I should have guessed it too. Always out to make a buck , she must have sold the computer but did not take out the hard drive.
librarylady said... 199
Well, if the book talks about abuse of her as a child and is picked up by any regular media, I can guess where she will try to go with all of this.
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Exactly! It will be "I was abused and came to realize I had a problem and I got help and now I'm cured. Everything I do, I do for my 8 count 'em 8 kids." She'll wind up on Dr. Phil and Dr. Drew. Wait for it.
KAT said... 23
Is that Elizabeth a complete idiot....I hope she gets tons of emails....that was horendous.....
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Elizabeth has a daughter who is probably school aged, and two younger sons. So if Elizabeth came home today and was told by her nanny that one son was spanked with a wooden spoon for having an accident in his pants and the other was yanked by his hair and whipped in his crib, she would be hunky dory with that? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? That's what I thought, Elizabitch.
You know how they say us haters are just jealous?
I truly AM jealus today. I'm so stinkin' jealous of Admin having a copy of the book.
We should probably give her some time to read it without all these questions. But I can't do it, I want to know everything.
Calm down. Sherri and Elizabeth will be eating their words by next week. Freakin cows!
Typical of Elisabeth and Sherry. They don't do their research, they just babble so they'll get their paycheck at the end of the month. I expect nothing more of them.
Any one a member of the View Message boards? Start a post about kate's discipline methods.
heather
Yep, she is meeting with someone today to come out with damage control. Wait for it.
Good catch TWIT......He helped her write 2 books????? I know Barbara did that purposely.....it was so obvious...she makes want to wretch...
LOL, Moi!
I'm not jellus so much as curious as to when, where and how we can purchase our own copies.
Apparently, I'm not the only one. :)
I doubt we'll hear much about Kate's own abuse as a child.
The information came from her computer and I doubt she talks/writes about it much.
Admin, did Robert send the book to you electronically?
Are you going to scan the Star article? Maybe Preesi will.
Yes Wayward, EXACTLY!
Even Sherri for that matter, maybe the people who.were pissed at her for not "disciplining" little Jeffery on that flight should have handed her a spoon and have her go at it! Why is this bothering me so much?
From Preesi:
http://oi46.tinypic.com/fva1c8.jpg
I watched the Twins' 6th birthday video and I have to say I'm noticing things I have not seen before when it was shown on TV at the time. The first thing I noticed was the Collin cried immediately after he was caught biting and beating on Aaden. I think he knew what was coming next and he was crying in fear. I just thought that was an odd recation when a parent calls him out.
Also it is very well known that small children who are beat daily tend to act out and beat back on others because that is all they know and they did not have the words to communicate their feelings. I think that is why you always saw the beating on each other when one child did not like something or did not get his/her way and it went on way too long. I think they were still hitting each other through age 5 or 6 if I recall from the show? Mady and Cara did not really seem to exhibit that behavior at the time so they probably weren't beat, although Mady showed that later on when they moved in 2008. So it's possible she started beating the twins in additional to the tups. I know it's all theories, but this is how I made sense of what was put out there by TLC and the media.
what a horrible upbringing they have had to live through.
TLC stinks said... 45
Admin, did Robert send the book to you electronically?
Are you going to scan the Star article? Maybe Preesi will.
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She did! They are on her site but the article doesn't say much more than we've already heard. It does mention that Kate and her lawyers tried to stop the book.
Abuse scans have been posted at Preesi's:
http://preesi.lefora.com/2012/09/27/abuse-scans/#post0
Mady was always hitting the tups, and Cara was physical to Clay. The tups always beat upon each other, right to the last episodes. Alexis hit Shoka, as well. The 'animal cruelty chapter' has me angered too.
Preesi has the Star scan up. Same news that Radar had except that Kate did indeed have a $1 million trust set up with Steve as the trustee. Jon got it changed.
She made the kids weed in the blazing heat, yelling at them the whole time and refused them water. Remember there were some pap photos of her with the kids gardening except Kate wasn't dressed appropriately for gardening. I guess the pap or the nanny squealed on that to Robert.
Sassy- I can only see page one on that link- how do you get to p2?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 189
Robert sent me our advanced copy of the book this morning. He doesn't want me to say too much until a media outlet publishes their story.
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Can you explain what this means? Is the book not coming out this weekend?
With all due respect, lots of people here got upset with Robert for playing cat-and-mouse games about the publication date for his book. Why, then, aren't we getting answers from Admin. about how she got her copy (print or electronic) and when we'll be able to get our own copies?
Several people asked her directly, in lots of different ways. All while she was online, answering other questions.
I'm okay with a reasonable justification for not putting the information out there just yet. This just seems a bit weird to me, that's all.
TLC stinks said... 52
Preesi has the Star scan up. Same news that Radar had except that Kate did indeed have a $1 million trust set up with Steve as the trustee. Jon got it changed.
She made the kids weed in the blazing heat, yelling at them the whole time and refused them water. Remember there were some pap photos of her with the kids gardening except Kate wasn't dressed appropriately for gardening. I guess the pap or the nanny squealed on that to Robert.
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Wasn't that gardening thing shortly after Easter? I remember at the time we all thought that looked terribly fake. She was overdressed and the kids were not dressed for gardening. It seemed to be an arranged photo-op like Easter was. A picture did get picked up in Us magazine under their "normal or not" feature. This picture was deemed "normal." Yeah, a woman with 1/2" acrylic nails wearing an Ann Taylor sundress and her 8 perfectly dressed kids are all outside for some down & dirty weeding! Uh huh.
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Ladies of @theViewtv r questioning validity & intent of accusations against @Kateplusmy8 of COURSE they r NOT #crazyHATERS-they are RATIONAL
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Hitting a child, who is smaller than you is RATIONAL?
Adults that hit children are not rational.
The action of beating someone into submission is irrational- especially if it's a child.
They are nothing but bullies.
She has spoken:
kateplusmy8
@sunnytm9 view stress &challenges in life as a sign that God thinks u can handle a lot!This 2 shall pass!GL w move/new job!Hang in there!XO
INF Daily:
http://www.infdaily.com/2012/06/pics-kate-gosselin-gardens-in-a-short-dress-treats-the-kids-to-ice-cream.html
June 25, 2012
I suppose for the pap photos, she then had to do the ice cream run.
Was there another garden picture?
She's back to the God card now huh?
I heard God doesn't like child abusers.
HA,ha. No wonder she was grifting for a riding mower for Cara. No need to pay the yard boys!
Why, then, aren't we getting answers from Admin. about how she got her copy (print or electronic) and when we'll be able to get our own copies?
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I'm sorry, I didn't get a chance to answer that.
My copy was emailed to me in a DOC format. I don't know when the book will be released. I didn't ask him. My understanding is it will be self published kindle format. Robert has an email. Email him. I don't know anything more than you so I'm really not a good person to ask. I'm just one of you. I had on email exchange with Robert last spring and one this week, for pretty much the sole purpose of asking for an advance copy, and that's it guys.
It's all "gossip"?
Has anyone told her most of the book is her own emails? Uh oh.
RT @Klumpe @Kateplusmy8 you think too little of me. I'm not naive. I just don't jump to conclusion and believe every gossip I hear. 14 minutes ago
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Awwww, Kate is RTing a comment from a fan saying they don't jump to conclusions and believe every gossip they hear.
Except that this isn't gossip. This is info legally obtained from a computer Kate was once the owner of. Legally obtained. From a computer Kate was one the owner of. Kate's own words and correspondence. Which Kate's lawyers could not shut down. It's not gossip. It's not hearsay. It's not third or fourth hand information. It's not even the made up stuff the sheeple like to deal in. You know how they rewrite stories that flatter Kate, while ignoring facts and videotape and placing blame on others? This isn't like that.
This is legally obtained info from a computer Kate used to own. That her lawyer could not shut down.
Hey All,
One of the most tell tale signs that all of this is true is that not ONE person who knows her personally--old neighbor/past teachers/helpers, church members, etc,. has come forward to say, "Oh, no. None of that happened. Absolutely not." Most people have tremendous, caring hearts, and even if he/she couldn't stand Kate, they wouldn't allow such a story be circulated if it weren't true. The silence from all who know these stories to be facts speaks volumes.
Robert says he witnessed the gardening account but no date given, so I don't know if there are any other gardening pictures other than the ones taken on June 25. No one looks unhappy but it was definitely posed for the pap.
If he witnessed it, it would be nice to know a date.
I don't have a problem with kids doing chores but if it's hot, let the kids take a break and give them water.
Im not surprised people are ignoring her behavior.....heck....there are people out there who support casey anthony and scott peterson....were only focusing on people who are excusing her acts.....thats a very small group...
If these are her own words....i dont get how people are saying this guys a liar and a stalker....Am i missing something?
Anyone else getting "Spoonful" ads at the top of the page?
Well, it looks like Kate is really worried(this time), about this book. Her tweets are few and her answers sound worried. Perhaps this guy really has the goods on Kate. Kate could lose everything. Especially her non-existing reputation, the one in her head. They even talked about it on the View, though they were not exactly on Kates side or the books side.
This is getting as good as the President debates will be(can't wait for that).
oh, I don't have a Kindle- hope we can at least download it...wonder why no pb edition? I'm going to e-mail him. I really thought it was going to be a "regular book" and don't see why it can't be.
Moi she does mention her father's abuse in one of her emails. But she doesn't say much.
There you have it from the horse's mouth.
Now what that means only Kate knows.
If she uses the "I was abused angle" as an excuse, I bet Kevin Kreider will have something to say about that.
Self-publish books are not cheap to print, that's why electronic. Also, he can update the electronic book easily.
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I take it back, I bet the one person that will speak out will be her dad, like Casey Anthony's father when he was accused of abusing Casey so she could get off scot-free.
I'd like to know why Steve was appointed trustee of the kids's money.That makes ZERO sense. Either parent could have done it. And why one million dollars in the acct? That's really stupid...any income over 8,000 is automatically taxed at 35%! I thought she was receiving excellent financial advice? (we just went through starting a trust, and the tax rate was discussed when setting it up.)
If she did put that much in the trust for the kids, that is one good thing she did. Kudos for that. But appointing Steve? nah, that was stupid.
I don't see how Jon could have changed the trustee though.
If Kate was an abused child herself, then I feel sorry for her that she wasn't able to overcome it. She needs to get help.
This relevation of abusing her kids has ruined any chance of her 'dream job' in the media. That's over. You can stick a fork in that idea.
Admin & everyone: I've notice that, this year on the View, they are cutting off subjects, that may lead into an argument, like politics, certain celebs, thing in the know. Even today, Barbara cutting the subject short, the Ann Coulter part(that idiot, does not know what she is talking about, saw her on another show and, I could not follow what she was saying or defending, just like today). Maybe we should get Clinton to explain it. LOLOLOL
Except that this isn't gossip. This is info legally obtained from a computer Kate was once the owner of. Legally obtained. From a computer Kate was one the owner of. Kate's own words and correspondence. Which Kate's lawyers could not shut down. It's not gossip. It's not hearsay. It's not third or fourth hand information. It's not even the made up stuff the sheeple like to deal in. You know how they rewrite stories that flatter Kate, while ignoring facts and videotape and placing blame on others? This isn't like that.
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So...what are you saying? You mean it's NOT just a bunch of meanderin' assumptions?
Admin,
Kate has lots of emails....who are they TO? (like the one just mentioned about her own childhood abuse)
What did Kate say about the abuse she suffered?
She says block the bullies and have fun with us.....watch it....her idea of fun is beating the shit out of her kids....
Sweet Tart said...
However, I accept that some people, perhaps because of their own disappointments, can only view Jon in a negative light. No matter what he has done since to become a better man & father, it will never be enough. That shows an inflexibility and hardness of spirit.
Admin said....
What's interesting to me is that some of them were demanding Jon go to the media and report the child abuse to the court of public opinion. And yet those very same people were on here all summer saying how DARE Jon give two whole interviews to the press in the past 12 months, how dare he! He just did it to make money! His girlfriend is a fame whore! So is Jon allowed to go to the media with his thoughts or is he not? He can't win.
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Yes, Sweet Tart, my views are shaped by my own experiences (isn't everyone's)--That is what makes this blog interesting. If we all had the same view and experiences, what would be the point? I have a very open mind to the views of others that are shaped by their experiences because they can provide insights that I don't have and can provide some context to the seemingly random events that we are witnessing.
It is not that I am inflexible--I recognize that Jon is a loving parent and has experienced personal growth. In view of this new information about Kate's abuse, in which we are all reinterpreting what we saw, and it is fair to shine a light on Jon's behavior and his own comments made on the Larry King interview and Nancy Grace interviews. He was clearly focused on himself and how wronged he was,--not on his children's safety and welfare. His behavior clearly demonstrated that he was intent on recovering his lost years as a twenty-something and living the celebrity lifestyle. No one has answered my question from my earlier post--How do 23 year old girlfriends, endorsement deals, body tattoos, pierced ears and living it up in a NYC apartment --while his children were being beaten and terrorized by that monster--fit into Jon as the behind-the-scenes hero narrative?
Speaking for myself, I hope he doesn't make a personal statement--It would be nice if he would continue to maintain the kids' privacy. And, I don't think that he should have reported abuse to the media--again, it is about privacy. If admin says that her sources have said that the abusive behavior has been brought to the courts attention, then I believe her.
So, no hypocrisy here. I know that Admin specifically said that "some" held these contradictory views, but just want to set the record straight on my views.
If the book comes out as a Kindle book and you don't have a Kindle, you can go to amazon.com and download a free Kindle application to your PC, laptop,Ipad,etc. Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=sv_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&docId=1000493771
TLC stinks said... 191
First tweet today is a CC promo. I don't think she tweets those. Do not know anything about Twitter but wonder if you work for a business they can tweet for you on your account? Every time one if those CC tweets pops up it doesn't have Kate's stink to it.
ANYONE with your twitter account password can post tweets to your account. If Kate gave someone at CC her account password, yes they could post on her account.
Formerly Duped, and anyone else who doesn't own a Kindle: there is a free Kindle app for iPhones and PCs for sure, and I think for Macs as well. You can download it and then purchase Kindle books at the same price they'd be for an actual Kindle (including lots of FREE! books, too!). I have the app on my PC and my iPhone and it works great. I had the app alone for at least a year before I got an actual Kindle, and it works great.
I'm waiting for further direction from Robert on what more I can reveal. It's his book. Hopefully it will be available to everyone ASAP.
Kate is on her 7th (?) Iphone-- I wonder where the first 6 are now?
She once said that she wrote her book on her IPhone. (which was obviously a lie) I wonder if her computer syncs to her IPhone. I bet it does. I bet her notes were all synced to her IPhone and somehow Robert got his hands on one of the discarded phones. Her Email would all be on that as well.
Has anyone read "Easy to Love, Difficult to Discipline" by Dr. Becky Bailey? Excellent book on how to discipline without hitting. It details how discipline (changing a behavior) MUST start w/ the composure of the parent in order to raise a "self-actualized" child. It is excellent, explaining how a child's brain is different from an adults in terms of processing, etc. I love to give this as a gift at baby showers.
I must set the record straight as I realized shortly after I posted that there already is a blogger with the name "Random Acts of Kindness". Apologies to the original "Random Acts of Kindness". I swear I did not do it on purpose cause I was jealous. For now on I will be known as Ronnie and Maggie as an homage to my two cocker spaniels (and is my spin on Milo and Jack). I do not have a "lights out man" but I do have a "lights out 22 year old daughter" who likes to keep me in line.
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Bubbles said...87
Thanks gals. I guess I will have to do that. I was hoping for a book. I am quite resistant to kindles for some reason but I do want to read this!
I am here trying to work the "spin-meter", and how Kate's "people" will handle this.
MAX spin: Play the God card, combined with her own child abuse, justifying her erratic behaviour with having to manage at deal with 8 kids. But all of that was in the past, thanks to the help from God in finding her way, and finding peace with her past. All good now! Kleenex at the ready.
MEDIUM spin: Robert is a stealing, lying thief, this is the deflection spin, without having to address any of these false accusations. This is the "I didn't write these e-mails and I don't know who did, but I DO have my ideas" spin. Does not talk about any of the content of the book. Eye rolls, bouncing leg, no Kleenex required.
LOW spin: How many of you have had to raise 8 children alone spin. This is the reliable and tested mild defection approach The "until you walk in my shoes" spin. This requires no Kleenex, no eye rolls, this is the extended "haters" spin version.
Kate may combine her spin tactics, but nonetheless, she will only take personal responsibility if she can garner sympathy for herself, (see MAX spin). Sadly, ALL of the above will be lapped up by the tabloid media.
There are only 2 people who can throw hard balls at Kate, Anderson Cooper and Joy Behar. Cooper wants nothing to do with her sorry ass, and I think Joy's own show is off the air. These 2 would cut through the spin to help her children, but just as described here by others today, expect more of THE VIEW'S approach to come.
Prepare for the SPIN-O-METER!
Jon may have gotten an attorney to challenge the trustee appointment. ITA, it makes no sense for her to appoint Steve. As a trustee, would Steve been able to pay himself some salary for serving as a trustee?
Jumping In, these various spin approaches just address the child abuse issue. There are going to be TONS more things once the book comes out. And I bet that Radar will be putting out bits and pieces day by day, I hope. Either way, her hopes for a career on TV are gone. She is tainted goods for sure now.
Sounds like your source was Robert?
I think that in the wake of everything that's been happening in Gosselinland, we missed the passing of one of the greats. Andy Williams died on Tuesday at the age of 84 from bladder cancer. Rest in peace, Andy. I hope that wherever you are, that Moon River is shining very brightly for you now.
I don't understand how her own emails can be called gossip and lies? This HER writing...WTF..why do people choose to play "stupid"? Whats in it for them....the twitter friendship of a washed up, abusing con artist? Whatever floats your boat!
Yesterday on Twitter one of Kate's head ewes was twitting like crazy -- sending Kate instructions about how to secure information on your computer, wipe your hard drive, etc.
Kind of like shutting the gate after the sheep have already left the pasture, right?
I think the media was done with Kate anyway, regardless of the book. In some ways, this just is going to give her another platform to, as many have speculated, try and rebrand herself, i.e. "I was abused as a child, that's why I cut off all contact with my parents, I've lived this cycle of violence, the show was so stressful on top of having 8 precious babies to care for and I just couldn't do it all and I would snap. I didn't see it at the time because I was so desperate to just make money to support my family. I've since then turned to God and through faith in my Lord, Jesus Christ, and medication, I've been able to overcome my abuse and to try and be a better parent to my beautiful 8 children who deserve the best life has to offer."
Look for Kate's self published autobiography coming out soon to a Kindle near you followed by the 2013 church book tour.
I simply went to the AppStore icon on my iPad, searched "Kindle", and downloaded the free app.
I'm ready if this is the way the book is coming out.
Ex Nurse said... 84
..."It is not that I am inflexible--I recognize that Jon is a loving parent and has experienced personal growth. In view of this new information about Kate's abuse, in which we are all reinterpreting what we saw, and it is fair to shine a light on Jon's behavior and his own comments made on the Larry King interview and Nancy Grace interviews. He was clearly focused on himself and how wronged he was,--not on his children's safety and welfare. His behavior clearly demonstrated that he was intent on recovering his lost years as a twenty-something and living the celebrity lifestyle. No one has answered my question from my earlier post--How do 23 year old girlfriends, endorsement deals, body tattoos, pierced ears and living it up in a NYC apartment --while his children were being beaten and terrorized by that monster--fit into Jon as the behind-the-scenes hero narrative?"
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Ex-Nurse, I totally get what you are saying. I wonder if initially he felt it was ok to leave because at the time of the separation, the nannies were doing most of the childcare. But after the terrible video of the return to the konpound, it was clear that they were terrified to return there- period.
Maybe I fixed myself...testing. Wonderson will be proud, if...
We watched these kids hit, pinch, bite, scratch, yell, hit the dog, scream, cry, potty train, dress, and basically be used for their own financial support. It will be a miracle if they don't all or some have serious issues as they grow up. We know that 2 of them already have been dismissed from school at a too young age. It's a sad story. The View kind of gave Kate a pass and shortened the story. It's an ugly story and most of us know it. I haven't read any of the books Kate has "written." Don't plan to read this one about her, either. Taking a Gosselin break for now. Wish all of you here a good life. I really have nothing nice to say about Jon or Kate at this point. They are both guilty of child exploitation in my view and I can't stand that fact. Many, many young families have multiple children and they don't sign up to make money from the fact. The parents work hard and support their children. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? As soon as some of this came to public light, the Gosselins should have disappeared from the television screens. Instead, TLC rewarded them with more money and years of a television show. Bad behavior should not ever, ever be rewarded. I'm tired of the subject. Kate and her twittering are disgusting, too. The desperation she has exhibited to remain in "show-biz" is in such poor taste I don't even know what to say.
Same news that Radar had except that Kate did indeed have a $1 million trust set up with Steve as the trustee. Jon got it changed.
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HA! A memory of mine verified.
Ex-Nurse, what you wrote summed up my feelings exactly. Thank you.
I think those of us who are not fans of Jon are taking heat because it's the same thing some of the sheeple are writing. "If Kate was such a monster how could Jon leave the kids with her?" It IS a valid question, whether popular or not.
Those poor children.
Hey Elizabeth from The View -- my parents didn't have us kids wear seatbelts in the car, until seatbelts were required by law. Do you think I should follow my parents' example and let my children ride without seatbelts?
My parents also made us "clean our plates" because when they were growing up, it was as post-Depression era children and you didn't waste one single bit of food. Unfortunately, my sibs and I have some eating issues due to that. Should I require my children to clean their plates too - ignoring that they may actually be full already?
Hey Elizabeth, you moron -- my grandmother never got a driver's license, nor a clothes dryer. Should I toss out my driver's license and my dryer too?
Exactly how much should I imitate my grandmother and/or parents Elizabeth? Or am I allowed to be a person living in the modern world, with the advances we now have regarding child rearing?
I would respectfully suggest that if you are unable to raise children without resorting to beating them with an implement of some kind - you're doing it wrong and taking the easy way out. And do you really think it's okay to beat a toddler if they aren't physically ready to learn how to use the toilet? Really Elizabeth - that's a-okay with you? You heartless bitch.
And Sherri Shephard -- what I said above goes twice for you. You are a worthless piece of you know what. Barbara Walters - you are a mouthpiece for corporate America - I find you just as reprehensible as Elizabeth and Sherri. Whoopi and Joy are hanging around for the paycheck, but at what point do they have any soul left?
Does Robert mention anything that Jon has done in his book? Much has been said that Jon had an agreement with a pap (Robert?) to take pics of Jon the kids and Ellen, I believe, and sell them to the tabs. Just curious.
I agree if Kate were such a monster how could Jon leave the kids. What I don't know is whether he felt assured they were safe with the nanny there, whether he just had to follow a temporary custody order until the permanent one was decided, and whether removing himself from an antagonistic situation actually calmed Kate down. And finally whether the physical abuse was even still occurring at that point. Robert's book is talking about when they were 2, not 5. All information necessary before I'm ready to condemn.
Remember how she so recently wanted to be an advocate against bullying? I don't think that's going to happen.
Doesn't Deanna do makeup for ABC shows? DWTS maybe? They're all tight obviously.
How often has it been said it can be worse to stay in a lousy marriage 'for the kids' sake'? Kate made Jon's life miserable. I remember Jen asking Mady and Cara if their parent's fought and they answered ALL THE TIME.
After Kate told Jon as far as she was concerned the marriage was over what was he supposed to do. Stay and enrage her further? He did what he had to do.
Steve was there all the time. Between him and the nanny(s) I'm sure they prevented Kate from beating those kids too severely.
TLC stinks 94 said
Jon may have gotten an attorney to challenge the trustee appointment. ITA, it makes no sense for her to appoint Steve. As a trustee, would Steve been able to pay himself some salary for serving as a trustee?
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It (salary) would depend on how the trust document is written. It makes no sense to make Steve the trustee. ZERO. Either parent could have done it, or anyone they want to appoint.
I don't see how Jon was able to change the trustee of the acct, if it was 'Kate's' money, he would have no say-so. Even if it was 'their' money, I'd like to hear what grounds Jon used to have Steve removed as trustee.
Putting money in a trust doesn't secure it from constant withdrawals...whoever is on the sig card, can write all the checks for whatever they so choose...(I think it would matter how much was in the acct, for the irs to be interested in the acct).
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Kate is a twit 85 ---
Thanks for the link to the free app! I haven't been able to grift a kindle or iphone, so very pleased to know I can read it on my computer!
Thank you!
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EX-Nurse said:
How do 23 year old girlfriends, endorsement deals, body tattoos, pierced ears and living it up in a NYC apartment --while his children were being beaten and terrorized by that monster--fit into Jon as the behind-the-scenes hero narrative?
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A. Yes, Jon behaved badly in the months following the split with Kate. I think we all agree on that. He made numerous foolish and thoughtless choices. I agree 100% that he should have made better choices. I have no dispute with anyone who disapproves of how Jon behaved in the months following the official split up.
B. Is Jon still doing the behaviors you outlined? NO, HE IS NOT. He has settled down, moved close to his children, fought for more custodial time with them, found gainful mediocre employment, dealt with being publicly humiliated in the media, and seems to be trying to be a good father to his children.
C. Which is more important to you: What Jon did in the months following the split up, or what he's been doing in the past couple of years? Is there ever a possibility you (I mean the collective "you" - people who say Jon is just as guilty of abuse as Kate), would find forgiveness for Jon for his past transgressions, in light of what he has been doing to make up for his sins?
This is where we part ways. I believe in redemption. I believe that a person can acknowledge their mistakes or wrong choices, and then try to redeem themselves by making better choices, by making amends the best way they can. Others seem forever stuck on that brief period when Jon went "wild and crazy" and cannot or will not move beyond that. They will never forgive him, and they consider him to still be in that same period, when it is in fact his detractors who are stuck in time.
Jon could not stay in the marriage, because Kate didn't want to be married to him anymore. He could not stay in the house, because Kate made sure that their arrangement (custodial parent will be in the home with the kids) didn't last very long. Jon could not have custody of the kids because Kate had the money and high-powered attorneys to ensure she got 100% custody (because she wanted to keep filming and so did TLC).
He is no hero. However, he is the only one of those two parents who really loves those children. He came to his senses and returned to be near to his children. He continued pressing his case in family law court until he got 50/50 custody.
To Ex-Nurse - is there anything that Jon could do NOW, that would cause you to consider he is making honest attempts to atone for his wrong decisions in the past? Would you say that if he finally gets 100% custody, and spends the next 20 years providing for his children and raising them in a loving home -- would you consider he's redeemed himself then? Because let's be realistic - no one can go back in time and change what they've done. They can only move forward and try to do better IN THE NOW.
I read the story in Star, and apparently the Newport Beach psychologist quoted has gone by the CA child abuse guidelines and never checked the PA laws. She says that it's illegal to use a wooden spoon. Why don't they check things out BEFORE making such an assertion? Unfortunately, in PA, even objects such as belts and rulers may be used to discipline a child, provided that the hitting does not cross the line into the legal definition of serious physical injury--hitting a child's hand with a spoon is not abuse, as long as it doesn't do permanent damage to the hand.
I think that PA child abuse laws are so antiquated is because that the methods of discipline were and are practiced by so many of the very strict founding religious groups, who adhere to the belief of sparing the rod and spoiling the child. Those laws were never changed, and PA expects the parents would use "common sense" in deciding what discipline is effective.
admin, our governor created a Task Force on child protection to look at Pennsylvania’s child abuse laws and propose potential changes. It is expected to give its recommendations to the governor in November. If a new bill is passed, the changes will take place in 2013. All of this came into being because of the Sandusky scandal. One of those things being looked at is the use of objects to discipline a child, making it illegal to strike a child with such an object, regardless if it causes death or debilitation to the child. In addition, emotional abuse resulting in psychological scarring would be taken more much seriously than it is now. Currently, such abuse is very difficult to prove.
The panel is made up of legislators, judges, attorneys and advocates for victims. I believe that so far they have met at least a dozen times and interviewed multiple witnesses and experts. They also want to extend civil and criminal statutes of limitations and require ALL adults to report abuse cases or face criminal penalties, doing away with the list of mandatory reporters that are now required to report abuse.
During the Sandusky trial, one of the local networks did a piece on the proposed new laws. I tried to find it online, but couldn't locate it. If I do come across it, I'll send you a link.
jumping in...said
MAX spin: Play the God card, combined with her own child abuse, justifying her erratic behavior with having to manage at deal with 8 kids. But all of that was in the past, thanks to the help from God in finding her way, and finding peace with her past. All good now! Kleenex at the ready.
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The God excuse will not work unless it is genuine. People with such deep rooted issues as Kate CANNOT change instantly unless there has been Divine intervention. To truthfully use the testimony that they have seen the error of their ways and God has changed them, they then will show the fruits of that change. There is no denial, no excuses, and no blame at others.
My prayer for Kate is that she would feel true conviction and make right with God,those she has harmed and live a changed life. This DOES NOT mean she would be free from reaping what she sowed but it would be a start of hers, Jon's and the children's healing from such horrible choices she, Jon and anyone else involved in this fiasco have made. Do I believe it will happen? No, but for me, that is where faith and prayer comes in.
Just one more thing...oh never mind, I'll wait to see if it happens before I ask my request.
Don't see much difference between this and Kate's scamming the churches..
http://home.suddenlink.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CDA1I3S381%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=931
So Admin, does this book cover the "Jon and Kate Plus 8" days primarily?
Now that the kids are bigger and older, I am wondering if she is still able to control them like she did when they were 2 or 5. Cara is about as big as Kate. And, they all can articulate very well to their father or a judge how mommy treats them. She should be shaking in her spiked heels.
I have always thought that she bribes the kids with stuff to keep their mouths shut, thus the trips to Toys R Us, trips, big Xmas, etc.
The accusations against Kate are truly vile and disgusting. Accusations of fleecing churches out of money, child abuse, animal cruelty,cheating etc. etc. I'm sure we all agree NO individual deserves to have such LIES written about themselves or their family. The ball is now in Kate's court (or will be once the book is officially out). I fully expect that any day now Kate will be suing Mr. Hoffman for writing such garbage (snark)
Business as usual in Kart's world. She is not going to have to answer to any of this and she is going to skate right through, as always. I'm done.
Marie
This is sad -- but I bet if there were allegations and/or proof of Kate abusing Shoka the dog -- then we'd see even The View ladies turn on Kate. Seems like animal abuse gets more outrage than child abuse. I think Kate has abused that poor dog as well as her kids. She's a menace to decent society.
Kate is being very clever and coy on twitter right now. She's retweeting tweets of support, and her only replies were to people who rarely tweet her, but can help her spout her platitudes about handling stress, about God, and to block the bullies. She is also not making any additional comments on the retweets.
She,herself, is not saying anything or addressing anything-she is using her tweeties for that. She seems to be ignoring her regular supporters. She never did tell Paige if she opened her envelope.
aggie, the trustee thing could have happened while they were still married. No date was given, but I do recall it happened while in the big house. Perhaps he got Kate to change it in exchange for something else. I don't know, I am just repeating that Kate made Steve a trustee, Jon found out, and it got changed. It is a sneaky thing to do and there had to have been a payoff for Steve. I don't trust him or Kate.
Am I missing it or is the post on Gosselinbook about the private journals and the quotes about hair pulling gone? Was he somehow forced to take them down?
Admin 109 - Quite reasonable.
One point here I'd like to make: What about Jodi and Kevin, Beth, Carla, Ashley, Jon's mom and brothers and all the other people who would have been witness to Kate's abuse and yet did nothing as well? In some ways, they probably have less of an excuse than Jon. After all, he was in this dysfunctional relationship. He may not have known any better. How many of us have been in dysfunctional relationships and continued to make poor choices? He also loved her. That's something that's not often taken into account. Perhaps he thought he could love it out of her.
As for Steve - do you think maybe one of the reasons he stayed so long is for the kids? Maybe that's why Jon didn't have a problem running off and leaving, because he knew Steve was there and that Steve could reign her in. After all, Steve was living at the house at some point, if memory serves.
Just processing.
I think Jon had the dogs removed because she was abusing them. I bet you anything Shoka is abused. She hates that dog. She brought it back to film, to be portrayed as a great mom, and to use as a guard dog...not a member of the family.
Just the fact that she named Steve as Trustee of her children's trust account indicates to me they must have (or did have at that time) a VERY personal relationship. I mean come on, who names their bodyguard as Trustee of their children's trust fund. Good for Jon (and the children) that he was able to get this changed.
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I'm with you Marie...she will ignore, ignore, ignore....she will say its all lies and go on with her life....her fans will believe her and everything will be all good. She will grift and lie and blame everyone else for whatever. It will blow over and she will be back in business....not that she will ever be on T.V. again....theres not enough miracles to make THAT happen.....
Kate is a twit said... 85
If the book comes out as a Kindle book and you don't have a Kindle, you can go to amazon.com and download a free Kindle application to your PC, laptop,Ipad,etc. Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=sv_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&docId=1000493771
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Droid also has a Kindle App. Don't know about Ipad and Iphone too
Guys I'm worried that her lawyers will get the book stopped. I don't see the journal stuff on his blog.
Localyocul said... 124
He never posted it on his website. He gave that information to ROL, and it is included in their article and also the Star article.
localyocul, you are correct. That info is gone.
I really don't think this book will garner much attention. If he is self publishing it, it won't be widely distributed to the major bookstores, outlets, etc. The biggest reason it won't make many waves---no one cares about Kate anymore. There is so little interest in her. No one can be bothered having her on a talk show---she is off the radar. Her 15 minutes are up. She'll never be back on tv. She'll never be a star or a talk show host . Her time is up.
Twit, are you sure? I thought that info was on his blog.
TLC stinks #118,I was very abused until I could finally leave 'home', mostly by my mother. I was very tall at an early age, and my mom was just 4ft.9" tall. She had no problem whatsoever beating the crap out of her much taller daughter. I don't think size is an issue, when a person is raging, they get very strong physically.
You know guys, it really shows the unbelievable depths of depravity some people will go to, and I mean Kate. It would seem to me that when you lose your temper and are unable to control yourself (while controlling everyone and everything down to the gnats ass) that later you would feel so much guilt that it would drive you nuts. Most of us have probably at one time or another lost it with our kids. I know I did but thank God I was able to walk away to calm down. Raising kids is not always easy, whether you have one or ten. But I remember once when I spanked longer than necessary and I still have guilt about that -- and it's 35 years later. I just don't understand grabbing a child by the hair or throwing him in a crib and continue beating him. I can't get my mind around that. Why is there no guilt considering what she must have done to all of them on a daily basis. I find I don't care what she does at this point, I just don't care how she spins it. She deserves whatever shit comes her way. Whatever it is, it is NOTHING to what those babies endured and continue to endure to this day. Tragic, heartbreaking. All those posts about the kids thanking her incessantly -- just has a sick, sinister meaning now. Of course they thank her, it's is their way of coping with their life. Sad beyond words.
According to the Amazon Kindle website, these are the devices that you can download the App to:
Smartphones: iPhone & iPod touch Android Windows Phone 7 BlackBerry
Computers: Windows Mac
Tablets: iPad Android Tablet
Damn it!
I hope something hasn't happened to stop the book.
weriaka
@Kateplusmy8 how is ur day?Hope good:-)please keep ur head up and keep on doing ur outstanding job.raising 8kids on ur own, u r a great Mum
When did Jon die? We weren't informed of his passing!
These sheeple, I'm telling you, are so dumb that one wonders how in the world they can even take care of themselves, let alone parent a child.
Robert says the book will be out Saturday.
In the book he states Kate has a bipolar diagnosis and at least at one point was perscribed meds. I think a lot of her behavior over the years fits squarely into that diagnosis. Hence my source saying Kate knows she has issues just won't get help.
Admin, I have a question about reporting abuse. If Robert has her journals documenting the abuse, wouldn't that be enough proof for cps to have the kids away?
Now all KKate's dressing up as a "dominatrix" makes perfect sense. She's a sadist. Her way of dealing with the world, is by "beating" it. What a wonderful mother.
Can't wait till 8 teens start bunching back.
Now, we all know her deep dark secret. ugh. Poor children, no amount of "toys" and "trips" will ever make up for years of pain and abuse by a mother....what memories...
The bipolar diagnosis certainly explains much of Kate's behavior - plus the reason for Steve - to make sure she didn't go whacko in public. Admin...maybe Steve was protecting you when he shooed you away at the book signing? :)
"As for Steve - do you think maybe one of the reasons he stayed so long is for the kids?"
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Not at all. I think the reason, and the only reason he stayed was for the money, traveling, and being in the public eye as her "bodyguard." He doesn't seem to me to be a hands-on snuggle bunny that the kids could go to when they needed to be comforted.
Making Steve trustee of the kid's money makes no sense. If she was getting top notch financial help,you'd think a bank trust dept would be in charge of the trust, not a bodyguard.
Matter of fact, having a bank trust dept handle a family trust is the best way to handle a trust.there is full accountability 24/7.
An earlier poster said Kate being a spokesperson for anti-bullying was out of the question now, good one, I laughed at that one.lol
If she someone manages to squeak past this book outing, I hope most of it still sticks to her, where she will stick for all her days...since she doesn't notice other people (I doubt that), I hope the stares she gets now shame her. What a con artist she is.
The info was on the Gosselinbook blog. I, too, hope it isn't the lawyers.
It's possible that he sold the information to the Star as an exclusive and, therefore, can't have it on his blog, too. Maybe the Star made him take it down?
TLC stinks said... 134
Twit, are you sure? I thought that info was on his blog
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Yes-the first time it was even brought up here was when someone posted the link to the ROL story. He had the post about "A Star is Born" which said to "Watch for a falling Star today in New York and LA." Then the story on ROL came out. His next post was about Kate not making a comment about the story.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 140
Robert says the book will be out Saturday.
In the book he states Kate has a bipolar diagnosis and at least at one point was perscribed meds. I think a lot of her behavior over the years fits squarely into that diagnosis. Hence my source saying Kate knows she has issues just won't get help.
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I hope he states who made the diagnosis - not the doctor's name but that there was indeed a qualified professional making it, and not Dr. Phil.
So the spin will be that she has a mental health issue and is now taking meds (which can't be verified) and is fine. The thing with bipolar meds is that they usually cause weight gain - could be she's on them and that explains the extreme dieting and exercise.
A few random thoughts that have been kicked to the front of my brain by the latest developments:
* Way back in the early days of GWOP, someone posted claiming to have attended one of the J+K 'church scam' speaking events, at which they supposedly openly discussed their pro-corporeal punishment stance - the implication being that they felt comfortable discussing their real discipline techniques with a presumably like-minded crowd. No way to know whether that's true, but it was a definite red flag moment for me.
* A couple of people have mentioned the infamous 'denying Mady water' interview. I'm surprised no one has mentioned what Mady says when Alexis is 'acting up' - something along the lines of, 'you should spank her when we get home, Mommy.' Talk about your red flags...
* Another 'something ain't right' moment for me was when a poster pointed out awhile back that the *inside* doorknob on the door leading down to the basement at the old house had a plastic knob cover on it - you know, the ones that normal people use to keep little kids out of supply closets, etc? J&K were using one to keep the kids (who were really young at the time) trapped in the basement. Can you imagine, especially given how the kids used to beat the tar out of each other? How scary would that be for a little kid, knowing there was no escape, and no adult to help? Unreal.
How is Ms. Goofy going to react to Kate's racism?
I think when she goes to her next marathon run, we should all go and throw spoons at her as she passes by.
Marie
If she is bipolar, refuses to take her meds, and is abusing the kids, I would think Jon could get full custody? Admin?
And if TLC knew she was ill, hired Steve to control her, what is their liability in all this? Can the kids sue TLC?
Localyocul said... 130
Guys I'm worried that her lawyers will get the book stopped. I don't see the journal stuff on his blog.
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I'm pretty sure that first came out on ROL.
Dmasy - Your iPad posting issue. If you haven't yet resolved it, check all your safari settings. I had an issue for awhile such as you described. For me it turned out to be my cookie settings - I had it set to not accept any third party cookies. I changed it and voila. I instead set it to automatically delete all cookies on exit.
HTH
I have been away - just one of those terrible awful really bad times in life that strikes everyone. :(
Paula...@143: The bipolar diagnosis certainly explains much of Kate's behavior - plus the reason for Steve - to make sure she didn't go whacko in public. Admin...maybe Steve was protecting you when he shooed you away at the book signing? :)
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It was said here all along that Steve wasn't hired to protect Kate from haters...that the reason he became her bodyguard was because of alleged vandalism at her house, and because of a rabid fan who followed her around to book signings, dressing like her, wanting to become her best friend.
In addition, there are those who maintained all along that his primary job was to keep her from going "off" and to protect the public from her during one of her "moods." It could be that those people were indeed correct.
Thank you Jane! You're right! Pshwew
Thanks, Twit, you have refreshed my memory. Whew.
Soooo, was she bi-polar when she claimed being infertile? If so, was her OB-Gyn aware of the diagnosis?
Moi said... 151
How is Ms. Goofy going to react to Kate's racism?
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She doesn't believe a word of it. She's too obsessed with her hatred for Jon, and she needs documentation for everything.
Formerly -- Go to Amazon and you can download a free Kindle ap to your computer, iphone or ipad. Then you'll be able to download the book if it's only available in Kindle format.
Soooo, was she bi-polar when she claimed being infertile? If so, was her OB-Gyn aware of the diagnosis?
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Okay, you got me on this one. How does being bipolar affect PCOS?
Remember how over the top she behaved in those home videos, like the one where Jon gave her an engagement ring one Xmas, and her bouncing all around at Disney World on their honeymoon? I mean, I'd be excited too, but wow.
OMG...that fits her to a tet....Alot of mood swings including priods of rage...highs and lows....they have a very high opinion of themselves although not realistic....needs a mood stabalizer, antipsychotic drugs..alot of depression with it...that explains her outbursts and eratic behavior...doesn't excuse it though...the problem is these people never take their meds...or stop taking them...she must be very uncomfortable
Yes, the child abuse allegations were on ROL first, but Robert posted a lot more details on his blog -- the hair pulling, the reasons for punishment, etc.
It wasn't there first (ROL posted first), but it's gone from the blog now.
CPS has been involved more than once. I wish people would realize that just reporting things doesn't mean that Kate can't finagle her way out of it.
While I hold Jon accountable because he is their father, I also feel that he had some type of breakdown when he left the home and took off partying. I truly think that the combination of his life going through dramatic changes, fame, dealing with TLC/Discovery, his wife taking off on her book tour, and the influx of a load of cash would be difficult for ANYONE to handle.
Then she announces that the marriage is over and he did try to save it. He went to marriage counseling but Kate refused to attend. He was alone, bullied by a network and his wife, stuck dealing with the kids while she jetted around (first class)and played SUPAH STAH with Stevie, the man Jon suspected she was sleeping with.
The guy snapped and he spent a summer acting like a complete fool. He's admitted it over and over again. I don't think he'd make those same choices today.
Cruisin, actually you can be misdiagnosed bipolar if you are PCOS. It has something to do with the hormones.
If so, could explain M's behavior in the early years. People thought she was feisty, but I thought something wasn't right. She was out of control sometimes and unpredictable. Don't know how she is these days, though.
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I really think that the kids' mental health or current behavior issues should remain private and not be discussed here. It's admin's blog, but I have a really strong feeling about not putting this out for comments.
Njay there has to be some kind of current risk. CPS could come out and assess current circumstances and if no serious harm is occurring they won't do anything. And again you're allowed to beat kids with a spoon in PA as long as you're not causing serious harm.
Kiwi...hi. Hope everything gets better today.
Thanks for the iPad suggestion. I am so proud that I managed it myself. (Son is on his way to Scotland and the marathon right now.) It was very much like you said. I found the settings page and clicked around. Here I am! You are all going to be with me in Vegas this weekend.
Good point, Parent. I have deleted my comment.
TLC stinks said... 134
Twit, are you sure? I thought that info was on his blog
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Yes-the first time it was even brought up here was when someone posted the link to the ROL story. He had the post about "A Star is Born" which said to "Watch for a falling Star today in New York and LA." Then the story on ROL came out. His next post was about Kate not making a comment about the story.
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I'm not sure what you are thinking is 'gone, but I just looked at gosselinblog and it's all there...
http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/
unless this isn't what you are referring to?
readerlady: thanks to you too. You ladies always think of others.I am going to do that with my dd's help soon!
It might be worth having a post here on every 3 chapters or so once everyone has the book. I know most of us will devour it in a day or two, but to get complete discussions...? Are there photos in the book does anyone know?
I feel so sorry sorry for these poor children. I think it is good that all of this is coming to light, but I feel sad for the kids that they no privacy whatsoever. Usually in abuse cases victims identities are protected in court records, etc (or is that only for sexual abuse?) but these kids have their dirty laundry on display for the whole world, and have since their parents signed their lives away.
Again, I am NOT against a whistleblower coming forward and speaking the truth, and I'm certainly not saying the kids have anything to be ashamed of (they did nothing wrong!) I think it's sad that the whole country knows even more of these kids personal business.
I suffered years of emotional abuse at the hands of my bipolar mother for years. Our father beat my brothers with a belt but never laid a hand on me because I was the girl. To this day my family is fractured and disfunctional. The abuse I suffered led to drug use, reckless behavior, and eating disorders. My brothers didn't fair so well either. One brother joined the army and was one of the first infantrymen sent to Iraq (which led to a whole new set of problems) and my other brother is also bipolar and lives with our mom. He's 35 and has never been independent.
The point I guess I'm trying to make is my story is something I tell to whom I choose and on my terms. How many different people have told the Gosselin kids story? It makes me really sad that for the sake of the children this couldn't have been resolved privately.
And please, before anyone jumps on me, I know Kate is to blame for the abuse,Jon and Kate both for signing away privacy, and I'm not saying this should be kept as the kids dirty secret.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 144
"He doesn't seem to me to be a hands-on snuggle bunny that the kids could go to when they needed to be comforted."
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Your statement reminded of pictures I saw of Leah hugging Steve's leg at Bald Head. This was June 2009, before Kate filed for divorce. Perhaps, they did run to Steve for protection from their mother.
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/7700/2009/06/
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/7701/2009/06/
I still see all of Robert's posts on the Gosselin book site.
If she were bipolar I would actually have some compassion for her for that. But for the health of her kids she needs to get treatment; no excuse for that. I posted earlier that she said there were nannies around for safety purposes. Hmmm
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 140
Robert says the book will be out Saturday.
In the book he states Kate has a bipolar diagnosis and at least at one point was perscribed meds. I think a lot of her behavior over the years fits squarely into that diagnosis. Hence my source saying Kate knows she has issues just won't get help.
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Obviously.
It's a shame and silly that she won't seek treatment for her bipolar illness.
No matter how happy she claims to be,
I guarantee you that she is SUFFERING, and making everyone around her suffer with her extreme highs & lows.
P.S. Kate, self medicating with wine is not going to cure your illness. Your life, and your children's lives will improve greatly if you GO TO THE DOCTOR NOW!
Thousands of mentally ill not taking their meds keep their children. Actually even in Ca it's pretty hard to lose your kids just for being bipolar. A lot of lobbying has gone on for mental health patients rights and case law is moving in the direction of letting them keep their kids.
I love the idea of doing a post for every few chapters. Excellent idea. I'm going to be gone until late tonight but ill try.
I always thought one of the twins acted out due to being shoved aside for the family 'stars'. She and her twin had their parents to themselves for a few years, then mom gets pregnant, goes on 3 yrs bedrest (ugh), and she is shunted aside from then on. little kids got all the attention, and the twins are an afterthought.
I know that siblings do experience anxiety when a new sibling is introduced, but this set of twins did it on a reality show, which compounded the transition 1000fold.
If shes not on meds...not good to leave her alone with anyone....too unpredictable...shes mentally ill....literally. We all knew it was something..also think she's OCD...usally there is a dual diagnosis...shes a mess...also its hard to deal with people....its wonder she can go on T.V. and not fall apart....she probably loves it when she on one of her highs....also when they feel good they love to spend money..where are all her friends...somebody should get her on something.....very serious...this also explains why she still thinks she is getting a T.V. show...unrealistic expectations..
whose jealous now sheeple....I wouldn't want to be her for a million dollars....
They won't take children and they can't make her take her meds...Now if she breaks their arm...thats a different story...
Hmmm...So bi-polar can be misdiagnosed if you have PCOS? What about the other way around? So could Kate's doctor had thought she had PCOS when she really had bipolar?
I've never heard that before. I'll check it out.
whose jealous now sheeple....I wouldn't want to be her for a million dollars
Can't wait for the sheeple spin on how this is Jon's fault.
Anyway, Kate, you will feel so much better, your children will look so much better to you and you might even be able to have a non-contentious relationship with Jon - JUST TAKE THE MEDICINE. Millions of people have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder - it's nothing to be ashamed of. Just do it!!!!
Interesting information about her having bipolar depression. Wouldn't she have been vetted for mental illness BEFORE they allowed her to proceed with the treatments to get pregnant? I would think that would be standard for a doctor to do that before doing a risky procdure--she would not have able to handle multiple babies properly and not have meltdowns.
Does it say when it was found she had it...before or after the pregnanies?
Could Kate have had postpartem depression? If so, that is horrible. Maybe she never received help for it.
Marie
Bipolar IS treatable and people can lead good lives.
An ex-boyfriend of mine was bipolar. He told me on our first date (full disclosure), he was taking 4 meds, seeing a therapist 1x/week and a psychiatrist 1x/month, for any medication adjustments.
It took years before he was properly diagnosed and then almost 2 years to get the right combo of meds to take care of the symptoms AND allow him to feel "normal" and not all zombie-ed out.
He was lucky in that he had a family that was very supportive. His behavior had been BEYOND reckless, he would tell me stories of things he had done, rages he had, physical violence and drugs, etc. That was actually how he finally got a correct diagnosis: when bipolar people do crack/cocaine, it makes them CALM, not hyper. I asked him to stop telling me stories because they were hard to hear and hard to put together with the calm, loving man I knew.
It's a damn shame that if she is bipolar, that she refuses help.
Ok, installed the amazon app- will I be able to download the book if it's not amazon? I have Pride & Prejudice, Aesop's Fables and Treasure Island free, lol.
dmasy: glad you managed yur iPad!
Pink Slime 95.....
You are right, there is a lot more to come in terms of the revelations in Hoffman's book. And, it will come out in dribs and drabs with RADAR apparently on-board for the long haul.
Something else just occurred to me. How can she take a position publicly calling this book all lies and gossip? Wouldn't the sources who can contractually come forward, actually do so, finally shutting Kate down for good? I realize it would be a "he said, she said" situation, but there would be other voices. Until this book, Kate has had a FREE ride with the tabloid press, and I include both Dr. Phil and Dr. Drew in statement. Until now, there seemed to be no possibility of push-back.
She may be in a box, knowing if she starts a full fledged assault on Robert then the Pandora's box will fly open. The more I think this through, the more I think she is going to ride it out without doing interviews, there are just too many people who know way too much about her, and they are ready to take her on.
She is finished though, when she calls to get free beach houses in the future, she might just hear.........click.
Admin, if a bi-polar parent is off their meds and is abusive and considered a danger to their kids, the other parent can petition the court for a psych eval. and sole custody.
That also may explain why she seemed off in some TV interviews as if she was on meds.
I'm impress she is still able to cry on cue, thou with a little help from poking her eye out with a tissue!
Parent that task force sounds great and I hope they will come more in line with "open hand on the buttocks" laws that are so much better than, just don't kill the kid.
I noticed the Newport Beach person said it's illegal. She's right, it is where she is! Does she not understand child abuse laws are state specific? They should have talked to a PA prosecutor.
She may just come out and admit that she is bipolar or had some other disorder and then go on Dr. Drew and get a shitload of sympathy because she is mentally ill.
Marie
LB, meds or drugs?
I went back and reread the original Radaronline story. Everything I remember is in that story. I must have dreamed that additional details were on Robert's blog.
Sorry ... probably need to step away for a bit.
#kateisameanANDdangerousmother
TLC yes I agree and don't get me wrong parents with bipolar have and do lose their kids. But, the situation has to be very bad. Whether this rises to that level I don't know.
You know, we oftern saw cycles of manic tweeting. We even describe it as manic. My teen was dx with depression. Her dad and sm are emotionally abusive to her and it was slowly destroying her. Her depression as is common in teens showed up as irritability anger and outbursts. After a year of therapy did not help she went on meds and I have my old daughter back. Happy joyful cooperative...K8 needs to take her meds. My dd didn't realize how bad she felt til she felt better
Okay, how did RH legally get ahold of Kate's journals/laptop? Especially since he insisted Jon didn't help him with the book. And there is no f*cking way Elizabeth and Sherri hit their kids with a paddle. It is one thing for your grandparent or parent to do because that was their generation and that's what they did. Not now, however.
Why on earth would she not take meds for being bi-polar? Denial? Or is she self-medicating?
Frankly, if she admits to it, takes her meds, that's ok with me. Sure, she'll play it up, but better for the kids.
Kiwi, please take care of yourself. I hope everything is okay!
She may be in a box, knowing if she starts a full fledged assault on Robert then the Pandora's box will fly open. The more I think this through, the more I think she is going to ride it out without doing interviews, there are just too many people who know way too much about her, and they are ready to take her on.
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Yes, it's kind of like a defense attorney having to decide whether or not to put his client on the stand during criminal proceedings. You might be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. You have to weight the consequences before you make the decision.
"JUST TAKE THE MEDICINE. Millions of people have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder - it's nothing to be ashamed of. Just do it!!!! "
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Does the book say if this was years ago and if she currently is being treated? If not, then she doesn't have prescription medication and there's nothing to take.
dlisted.com now has the story.
It isn't pretty there - fair warning - this guy is very irreverant. Some might be offended by his attitude.
Comments are mostly anti-kate, anti-abuse.
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