According to author Robert Hoffman, who says he is in possession of notes and diaries that Kate used to write Multiple Blessings and Eight Little Faces, Kate wrote entry after entry about disiplining the kids.
The entries include:
- Kate used a wooden spoon she called "The Spanker" to discipline the kids for transgressions as minor as climbing out of their cribs or potty training issues.
 |
| A wooden spoon was indeed spotted more than once in the pocket of their car door. |
- Kate, in her own words "lost it" when Collin ate some M&Ms without permission.
- Kate “felt like I may hurt his children.”
- Kate preferred the kids out of sight when she was upset where they would be "safe"
- When Collin threw a tantrum, Kate says she “sent him to his crib and whipped him into it very hard...I never felt that I may really seriously injure a child, but today was that day.”
"You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs," the ex-employee reported.
Kate has never denied the allegations in the interview.
1797 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 1797 Newer› Newest»TLC stinks...193
_______________
No, just meds for bipolar
Oh boy, now we've done it. She'll want to be a spokesperson for mental illness.
Some people are not appalled by the spoon spanker. Their stories are that they did it only once or twice to get the message to their kids or they themselves were punished that way. Well, if she documented doing it ALL the time, that is a different can of worms. And who does that to a toddler? And let's not forget her screaming rages. I would say those kids live in terror of her and will do anything to please her.
Formerly Duped said... 53
Sassy- I can only see page one on that link- how do you get to p2?
************************************************
Oh Formerly Duped, I apologise.
I had no idea you posted a question for me.
This blog fills up quickly ;o)
When you copy & paste the following web address, you'll find the entire article- 2pages.
http://preesi.lefora.com/2012/09/27/abuse-scans/#post5
I hope that she's not drinking while on meds. Remember the foot-licking/boozing in NYC? If she drank that much and was on medication, the result could have been a disaster.
TLC stinks said... 4
Some people are not appalled by the spoon spanker. Their stories are that they did it only once or twice to get the message to their kids or they themselves were punished that way. Well, if she documented doing it ALL the time, that is a different can of worms. And who does that to a toddler? And let's not forget her screaming rages. I would say those kids live in terror of her and will do anything to please her.
************************************************
And who does that to a toddler? And let's not forget her screaming rages?
An out of control bully.
Thanks Admin, I tell ya, it made me so angry that they couldn't do anything. Finally, not that i think it's a good thing but now we had proff, she yanked her daughter by the arm and that little sweetheart hit her head on the bathtub. She started throwing up and later passed out in the car while with her dad and mom. He saw a policeman and pulled him over, oxymoron lol, and they called the paramedics. She nearly died.
The kids were given to their dad, which I thought was a good thing, until I found out that they were being sexually abused by his girlfriends brother. Once again the kids stayed closed mouthed so cps could do nothing again. Their dad just called them a liar and blamed them.
I have to say that I don't know how those working for cps do it. For me, I could never live with the guilt I would feel knowing what they know and are forced to not do anything without proof. My hat is off to them for at least trying.
The girl is now 19 and gets drunk all the time and smokes weed. The boy is, I think, 17 and is in juvie presently for beating up his sister. There father is in mexico visiting his girlfriends family. For now the boy is in custody of the state because he is gone. My heart aches for them. One good thing is there mom is turning her life around and is trying to be there for them as much as she knows how to be. I'm really proud of her but the damage is already done to her kids and it's going to be a hard, long road ahead. That's what I meant in my post about reaping what you sowed. You may change your life but the issues from our bad choices are still there.
Don't jump on me but the spoon thing is minor in my opinion compared to pulling a toddler up by their hair or roughly putting them in their crib.
I don't think people are going to care that she spanked with a spoon. I can see many defending it.
But that isn't what this is about. It's not a question of whether spanking is good or bad. It's a case of serious abuse. This is not being understood properly.
I cannot believe how many people are just glossing over the hair pulling and the fact that the kids were TWO when she was hitting them with a spoon.
My God Njay. . . how come some children have to suffer so much? Your story is horrible.
Marie
I hope after the book comes out people will realize that it wasn't just once in awhile that Kate was "spanking". It was all the time and it was violent. Most people think of spanking as an occasional thing, something parents do when kids are really misbehaving badly. They don't think of it as something that is used daily for every little thing that a baby/toddler does.
The sheeple defending Kate are saying that they KNOW the stories are false because it came from a tabloid-that always their excuse. Yet, when a positive story comes out or a negative one about Jon, they believe the tabloid story. I really wonder if any of them actual read the first story on ROL, or only the second one about the spoon.
This tweet basically shows their state of mind:
"hope you're having a brighter day today Kate! Your TRUE fans and friends know the truth and love you!!"
How do they know the truth? How do they even know what she tweets is true?
Kate could be arrested, have a mug shot taken that is shown online, and they would still defend and probably say the mug shot was photoshopped.
I get that their her fans, but do anyone of them possess any inkling that there may be some truth to the story and are just not tweeting about it? I have never seen such blind faith in my life.
I have to say that I don't know how those working for cps do it. For me, I could never live with the guilt I would feel knowing what they know and are forced to not do anything without proof. My hat is off to them for at least trying.
____
My sister's godmother worked for CPS for years. She had a nervous breakdown after about 20 years of work, and she died this past year (about 20 years later). Details of how she died were VERY sketchy, but both me and my sis believe it was suicide.
CPS workers who have cannot disconnect from their "work" have a very hard life.
heather
These people don't care enough to learn the truth. It's no more about spanking a child than it was about little girls trying on Mommy's shoes. If people don't care enough to be informed I wish they'd quit spouting their ignorant opinions. It's so frustrating.
She may not have taken medication because you are not supposed to drink alcohol with it and no way she is giving up the wine.
Amen Sweet Tart, you should post that on The View's message board.
Yes, the spoon seems to be the only thing being discussed. SHE GRABBED HIM BY THE HAIR AND WHIPPED HIM IN HIS CRIB. SHE WROTE THAT SHE THOUGHT THAT SHE COULD VERY WELL HAVE REALLY HURT HER CHILD THAT DAY
And she spanked for reasons that a child should not even be punished at all for. Like Aaden having an accident when he was potty training. You should be telling a child it's okay you'll get it next time and clean it up without fuss, maybe consider pull ups. Not punishing the poor thing!
PatK said... 101
I simply went to the AppStore icon on my iPad, searched "Kindle", and downloaded the free app.
I'm ready if this is the way the book is coming out.
******
Hey! Thanks for the tip! I just downloaded the Kindle app on my iPad, and now I'm all ready for Robert's book, too!
And she spanked for reasons that a child should not even be punished at all for. Like Aaden having an accident when he was potty training. You should be telling a child it's okay you'll get it next time and clean it up without fuss, maybe consider pull ups. Not punishing the poor thing!
___
EXACTLY!!! We did potty training last year, and the school of thought is actually ignore the accidents. Don't even acknowledge it (don't even say it's OK, just don't make any kind of deal out of it). Just clean it up, move forward and when the child hits the mark PRAISE, PRAISE, PRAISE.
I cannot imagine striking a child ever, but potty training shows the depth of mental illness. That is child abuse.
heather
I like that Heather. Pure positive enforcement. Other behavior is ignored. Ironically that's just how you're supposed to train a puppy. I did my fair share of "good potty!!!!" dances when he got it right and just quietly cleaned up te accidents without even so much as a "no." He was trained in weeks, go figure. There are many ways to train but the one thing you don't do is hurt them. Not to mention how unhealthy it is to associate going to the bathroom with pain.
Hey wait a minute want it Aaden who didn't tell Kate he wet the bed or his pants or something??? Ugh now we know why, just as we suspected he feared the punishment. See what you did Kate??!
Random Acts of Kindness said...
A few thoughts on the next few weeks. I think many shows are already done with her (The View in particular). However, a few shows may come calling offering to interview her. As much as she will be advised to say nothing and hope this blows over, she will be unable to resist going into NYC to "set the record straight." Going into NYC and on TeeVee is her drug of choice-she is unable to stop her addiction. She will say her computer was stolen or Jon took it and will say the journals were changed and embellished. She will also say that she is planning on suing RH and anyone involved in the theft of her hard drive (although we all know she will not). Think about it, many celebrities who have unflattering stories published always say they are going to sue and never do. They just wait for the wave to pass.
Long time lurker-first time poster. Love this blog and the people on it. Love the recipes, book reviews, etc.
I just wanted to say hi, and welcome. I agree with you completely, she wont be able to resist 'setting the record straight' and dabbing non existent tears with her acrylics. "Not my fault, I didnt do it, all lies, I am gonna sue, blah blah blah..." Sleevless tight party dress, but with a higher neckline pretending to look more conservative, white neon hair freshly stringed, greased and limped, and CFM shoes. "ummm.... honestly... ummm.... umm... sniff... dab... ummmm...."
Wondering why all the legit tabloids are not running the story, ie, Eonline, People, US, etc.
I have found the story on Radar and INF Daily and a few others but not all the ones that regularly run articles about the Gosselins. Any ideas why....does she have all these magazines in her hip pocket????
I've worked in a pediatricians office for years. The fact that Colin was so badly constipated absolutely could have come about from being punished so severely for toileting issues. Children who are that fearful will hold it and hold it until they are unable to go. Their stool gets so large and hard from holding, they become unable to pass it.
There's an excellent point on D listed about how proud parents who beat their kids are of how submissive they are. When did it become a great thing to have submissive little trained monkeys that you have to beat to get that way? So kids will act up now and again, it's part of life. I'd rather have kids act up but never be hurt by an adult, than catatonic little robots. Besides all the research says you can raise a great kid without ever touching them.
Shutting my computer down...can't read anymore of this bullshit...too disturbing...making me sick to my stomach....have a good night everyone!
I don't know if she'll do press or not. I'm not sure who would want her on but some entertainment news shows would probably book her even though she's not really relavant anymore. But I don't know if she'll want to talk about HER issues.
I went to check the View message boards to see if anyone responded to the Kate segment. Someone did make a post about it, and included info about the book and the ROL stories.
http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/kate-gosselin-and-her-spanking-her-kids
There only 5 comments, but none are positive.
I don't like to say too much about myself, but I have experienced bipolar disorder with a family member, and it was diagnosed as borderline. Let me tell you, if that was borderline, I do not want to be anywhere near her if she is not taking meds...there were rages and it got physical. I hid bruises from my husband. So, yes we don't know what goes on inside the house, so please I hope she is taking meds.
RonnieandMaggie said... 16
She may not have taken medication because you are not supposed to drink alcohol with it and no way she is giving up the wine.
====
Bingo. You got it.
bee, the spoon and the drinking have been in the news before. It's going to take the book to come out with new relevations for it to get picked up by others.
She would have killed my children - because of their autism, both we're not fully day trained until they were almost 5 and not night trained until they were 6.
What worked for one of my girls was for a little over a week one summer I let her play in the backyard with nothing on her tooshie but we had the potty chair outside (she knew how to sit on it as we'd been training since she was 2 and 1/2). Long story short after a few "accidents" she began to recognize the signs and then one day just came in, sat on the potty chair and was trained.
This is how they do it on the kibbutz in Israel I've been told. I didn't learn that until later.
Granted, my kids have their challenges but no child should learn to fear a natural bodily function. No wonder her son was impacted!!!
sillimom -- People with PCOS can be dx'd with bi-polar because the hormonal shifts can cause mood swings. As far as bi-polars being dx'd with PCOS, I doubt it, because the other symptoms and findings wouldn't be there, but I suppose anything's possible.
I don't know anything about the teachings of the church KK purportedly belongs to, but is it possible this is one of those churches that still views mental illness as a character flaw rather than an actual medical condition, and frowns on the taking of psychotropic drugs? They feel that all you need to do is pray hard enough and God will help you overcome it. If you take meds, you are denying His power. A Bi-polar dx could also explain her drinking. Many people with mental illnesses drink and/or abuse drugs as a way of self-medicating.
I had Chinese food for lunch and my fortune cookie said I needed a vacation. Deindle, Dmasy, aggiemom and SeeSaw -- any chance I could catch up with you and be a fifth wheel?
Formerly -- yes, you can download books from places other than Amazon. When you download from other sites, get the mobi version. That is compatible with Kindle. Supposedly, there are ways to convert the other formats to Kindle using Calibre, but I haven't a clue how to do it. Some author websites offer freebies occasionally. The author of "War of the Roses" just offered it and the sequel "Children of the Roses" on his website, there's a sci-fi website that offers a free book every month, and the University of Chicago library offers a free download every month, too. Publishers offer freebies on their websites sometimes, too. There are several excellent blogs that list freebies you can download -- mostly from Amazon. If you're interested, and Admin doesn't object, I will post the addys here. Just say the word.
I understand some people being ok with the spoon and spanking in general, BUT- for a 2 year old??? How can anyone think it's ok to hit a toddler?
Hey, I just figured something out. I opened Twit's (28) link by highlighting it, right clicking and one of the options that came up was open link. I clicked on that there it was.
Worked like a charm. :)
TLC, I understand. My brother is bipolar & the rages & violence are epic. He lived with my dad & to help with my dad's care, we had to walk on eggshells around my brother. Eventually he threatened to kill me & I was able to get him removed from the house, but he's a former college football player & I weigh 120 lbs. Every one of my siblings took classes & were licensed to carry a firearm; not for the bad guys on the street, but to protect ourselves from our own brother. This is so serious. I'm full of dread for those kids.
Drs Office said... 24
I've worked in a pediatricians office for years. The fact that Colin was so badly constipated absolutely could have come about from being punished so severely for toileting issues. Children who are that fearful will hold it and hold it until they are unable to go. Their stool gets so large and hard from holding, they become unable to pass it.
-------
Damn.
It's one thing that *we've* speculated all this time she was abusive, it's another thing entirely to have proof. It makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.
Well, if Kate's not tweeting, hopefully she's making bread-yum!
And you think she's had time to open Paige's freebie?
Has Kate been seen in public since Spanker-gate?
Okay, that's Dwindle, Dmasy etc. Sorry Dwindle!
I am getting a nauseous, sinking feeling reading this blog today. A diagnosis of "borderline personality disorder" is an increasingly common diagnosis made by many a clinician. There is no blood test, no litmus test for this, it is up to the opinion and inclination of the clinician. It is a pretty general disorder, consult the DSM 4 for the criteria if interested and you will probably think of many people you know who would fit this description. So if Kate is diagnosed with this disorder, it is an opinion not a fact and certainly not an excuse.
Most importantly, there is no rationale for the abuse of those children because Kate has been diagnosed as having this disorder. It is horrible to think that Kate will be excused her violence because she somehow picked up this diagnosis. I am not saying that Kate does not have serious mental issues, but where is the evidence that she was not responsible for her actions, that she could not control herself? What is making me sick is the suggestion that Kate was "ill" and this is why she abused those children.
Anonymous said... 20
EXACTLY!!! We did potty training last year, and the school of thought is actually ignore the accidents. Don't even acknowledge it (don't even say it's OK, just don't make any kind of deal out of it). Just clean it up, move forward and when the child hits the mark PRAISE, PRAISE, PRAISE.
I cannot imagine striking a child ever, but potty training shows the depth of mental illness. That is child abuse.
heather
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I agree with you completely Heather, but I am still stuck on her beating Collin 'into his crib', and waking up a sleeping baby "with my angry voice' because the infant messed her diaper in her sleep.
Who the hell rages and beats infants and toddlers IN THEIR CRIBS?? I cant get past that.
And then babies strapped in carseats. STRAPPED into carseats and WHAPPOOO come the welts on your legs.
Potty trainers dont actually KNOW they are about to have an accident until it is running down their legs. That is why is it called 'an accident'.
cathy -- KK was reportedly dx'd with Bi-polar disorder, not BPD.
I keep meaning to say and keep forgetting. I'd LOVE to be a fly on the windscreen at the school bus pick up and drop offs. Can you imagine the side-long glances KK is getting from the other parents? I wonder what the other parents are whispering about her behind her back.
When bipolar is not being managed well, the person is not as dangerous in a manic phase, but their judgment can be very skewed when raising kids. Sort of a, "What can go wrong attitude".
I thought of Kate being manic when she bought that huge & wildly inappropriate meat slicer. What can go wrong?
Readerlady 33 said
I had Chinese food for lunch and my fortune cookie said I needed a vacation. Deindle, Dmasy, aggiemom and SeeSaw -- any chance I could catch up with you and be a fifth wheel?
----
Well heck yea! We are in vegas with dmasy!!! Why do you want to be a 'fifth wheel' when you could be a five star limo??lol
Dwindle's still MIA....last I saw her she was chasing SeeSaw in the lobby for shaving off her eyebrows...I think Dwindle was chasing her with a spoon...she was ranting something about SeeSaw challenging the "royal we" decree...
Dmasy and I are getting matching tattoos after our four hour nap. (We brought @depends in case of accidents..you can never be too careful these days)!
Readerlady - Actually, I've just read a few studies that show a connection with those already diagnosed with bipolar and PCOS. There is nothing concrete but enough data to warrant further studies.
So, I suppose Kate's stories regarding her PCOS may have some validity. Kate, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
We've often speculated about why people stay with people like Kate. I think they do because they realize there is something truly wrong with this person and they want to help. Also, when someone with bipolar is on a high, when they are doing well you can think you're seeing shades of the real person and if you just hang in there that good person will come back.
Kate is a personable person. Obviously there was something that attracted Jon to her, that Beth liked about her, that caused viewers to like her initially. I think as often happens the people in her life faiiled to see Kate's illness as intrinsic to her. I think they tried to compartmentalize it.
I have relatives with mental health issues such as schizophrenia and bipolar. I have children with autism. In no way does her illness excuse her behavior but it does give perspective . I truly hope and pray that she is on medication now and that she's getting the help she needs. I doubt it but I will pray for her.
BTW, my bipolar brother beat the crap out of my dad & my mother who had Alzheimer's. That's why she can beat a baby in a crib. She's no different than any other scumbag who gets to wail on babies until someone end up in the emergency room or worse.
Super mom Kate will do anything for her kids...except admit she has a problem and get help for said problem. It's much better to ignore it, think you're perfect and keep on abusing your children.
Thanks Sweet Sassy!
Drs Office: totally agree.Not something children often get- constipation yes, impaction, no.
Remember how Collin was the one Kate shut the door and lights off on when he couldn't go on the potty at naptime? Said he was stubborn. yeah.
Ooooh aggiemom, can I be a stretch limo with a luxurious bar and all the trimmings, please? Pretty please?
Question: Is narcassism a by-product of bipolar illness? Kate is a classic narcassist - it's my way or no way. Because if she is, is she going to dig in forever and "say there is nothing wrong with me, I don't need help"?
Those children need a healthy mother - let's hope Kate wakes up to this fact and gets help before it's too late.
I'm at the spa having a little work done on my complexion. Dwindle's in the next chair getting her eyebrows reattached.
WE are having a very good time
A diagnosis of bipolar disorder does not preclude a diagnosis of a personality disorder as well, and I don't mean borderline.
I am a psychiatric/addictions nurse, and I don't see Kate fitting the diagnosis of bipolar disorder. Depression, I could see, based on how "exhausted" she always is, and her demeanor and affect at times as well. A lot of the psych diagnoses overlap with symptoms. Someone above mentioned Borderline Personality Disorder and Kate DEFINITELY exhibits pretty much all of the characteristics of that disorder. Overall, though, the best diagnosis that fits Kate is narcissistic, without question, and that's what we've all thought for years.
LB said... 184
Interesting information about her having bipolar depression. Wouldn't she have been vetted for mental illness BEFORE they allowed her to proceed with the treatments to get pregnant? I would think that would be standard for a doctor to do that before doing a risky procdure--she would not have able to handle multiple babies properly and not have meltdowns.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I dont know how it is in PA, but Octomom's Calif doctor said he could just plain TELL she was unstable, but she was paying cash so... Of course he has now lost his license.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 140
Robert says the book will be out Saturday.
In the book he states Kate has a bipolar diagnosis and at least at one point was perscribed meds. I think a lot of her behavior over the years fits squarely into that diagnosis. Hence my source saying Kate knows she has issues just won't get help.
******
I've got kHate pegged as Borderline Personality Disorder.....but what the heck do I know.
Saturday, eh? Hubby is out of town for the weekend, and I just installed Kindle on my iPad, so I am good-to-go.
Waiting.........
To clarify - I'm not saying I think Robert Hoffman is lying, I'm saying I think she could have been misdiagnosed. She's so manipulative I can easily see her telling a dr what they need to hear to make that diagnosis and/or leaving out symptoms to avoid a different diagnosis.
Not a mother -- I agree, I was jus tpointing out that cathy got the 2 BPDs confused. Admin reported that KK was dx'd with Bi-polar, not Borderline. Personally, I think she has sociopathic personality disorder, but then I'm not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/bipolar-disorder/bipolar-disorder-vs-narcissistic-personality-disorder.aspx
Readerlady...
you must ask Dwindle if that's okay with her..we are all extensions of her, since she instituted the "Royal We Decree".
Oh SeeSaw, so glad you are getting that skin toned down a bit...but stay away from orange, ok?
(if humor is off-putting to some at this time, it's a coping mechanism. what's happened to these kids makes me crazy.)
Aggiemom - I just thought the exact same thing about us joking around. Humor is how I cope, too. If I laugh, I won't cry.
Bubbles -- You're right about her being manipulative and possibly feeding the doctor what he/she wanted to hear. KKs a nurse and presumably did a psych rotation, so she'd know what sx to report or deny.
If kate really is bi-polar, is it possible for her to turn it off and on? Because how many times have we seen her out in public, without the kids, smiling her azz off, and then with the kids, no smiles in site. Does having bi-polar make that possible?
Dmasy said... 169
Kiwi...hi. Hope everything gets better today.
Thanks for the iPad suggestion. I am so proud that I managed it myself. (Son is on his way to Scotland and the marathon right now.) It was very much like you said. I found the settings page and clicked around. Here I am! You are all going to be with me in Vegas this weekend.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Well, thank heavens for iPads coz I dont take abandonment well. Now, Vegas... let's see... I think that calls for a strawberry daiquiri.
Someday I will maybe try actually drinking as much as I joke about it. Probably wont be nearly as much fun.
Now, back to the reading and catching up.
I'll go with, What is all of the above, Alex?
She's bipolar and untreated? WTF??
This is actually quite serious, guys. I am not surprised IN THE LEAST as the diagnosis seems to fit perfectly as she wears her behaviors on her sleeve; but I am pretty surprised that she has been diagnosed already, was aware of it, and chose to remain untreated. All my months of stupidly public pleading with her to get help because she didnt have to feel this rage all the time and here she already KNEW it and refused to get treatment.
it takes a very mentally ill person to be that comfortable in their illness and the physical and emotional harm they are doing to others - especially babies.
HIPPA be damned, now I want to blame the diagnosing psychiatrist that has been sitting back all this time watching this woman harm these babies for profit, and did nothing. Dont start yelling at me, it's just a knee jerk reaction and i will get over it in a minute.
Dwindle -- the actual drinking might be fun up to a point, but watch out for the aftermath!
aggiemom -- I think we all need a little comic relief. The past day or so has been upsetting. If we're this upset just hearing about it, imagine what it's like for those kids living it!
If it was only bipolar she wouldn't be retweeting all these tweets saying what an amazing mother she is. I think she's a very rare mixture of many disorders and that's why we are so bewildered yet fascinated with her bizarre detachment from reality. I've always thought she was a sociopath & a narcissist, but they aren't necessarily violent (though some are). I think she should be studied because she is a bizarre mixture of everything that can be wrong with a person.
Just a Note said... 17
Really??!!?? Those morons on the View think beating babies is just fine? That grabbing them by the hair and whipping them in their cribs is a fine method of child-rearing?
Maybe a few hundred commenters here need to set those jerks straight.
****************
The site wouldnt let me register to post a comment. I tried for over 10 minutes, I get one odd message after another. I closed my browser and went back in and it still wont let me register to post. i wonder how many other potential commenters are having the same problem. things that make ya go hmmm...
Remember this? Collin was so worried about breaking a rule he tracked K8 down to see if he could ride over a hose. At one point she dismissed him and told him to go away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb20lmfTh5E
New article:
Kate Gosselin Exposed-Her Fan's Defense
aggiemom09121416 said... 78
I'd like to know why Steve was appointed trustee of the kids's money.That makes ZERO sense.
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Which leads me back to my musings from earlier this week; How much of this was Steve? He KNEW she was unbalanced and mentally ill, and he saw dollar signs for himself.
If WE/I saw mental illness based on her public behaviors, can you imagine what Jon and Steve have been dealing with? Once she focused her rage on Jon it was all over. Especially if Steve was there encouraging it. Would she have put $1M in Steve's name with Jon present and involved? No, so Jon had to get out of the way.
I am not excusing Kate at all. Or Jon. But I dont think Steve has been the purse carrying dufus that I have taken him for all this time.
annastasia said... 61
If kate really is bi-polar, is it possible for her to turn it off and on? Because how many times have we seen her out in public, without the kids, smiling her azz off, and then with the kids, no smiles in site. Does having bi-polar make that possible?
************************************************
I don't know if you can turn it on or off, Annastasia (beautiful name btw).
We really do not know to what degree severity bipolar she really is. There are people that live with bipolar illness their entire lives, that are productive human beings, who function well as long as they take their medication. At the other end of the spectrum, you have the poor souls that cannot get their acts together.
Pardon me , Annastasia for taking the conversation in another tangent:
Does anyone remember the show when Kate and Jamie went out for Kate's b-day? I vaguely remember hearing that Kate said she gets into "moods"? The conversation stemmed from her being nasty to one of the bouncers at the club entrance...
Sue Biddy:
Excellent article. I think the fans bear some guilt too by continuing to worship this woman and ignoring the facts brought out by Robert Hoffman. Kate will find her salvation in their opinions, and not accept responsibility for the ugly truth.
sorry Sue...Buddy!
localyocul said... 68
Remember this? Collin was so worried about breaking a rule he tracked K8 down to see if he could ride over a hose. At one point she dismissed him and told him to go away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb20lmfTh5E
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Poor little guy is lucky that his "mother" didnt bash him the face A G A I N for breathing in her presence.
I cant stand it anymore. I am logging out for a while. (OK, I can HEAR you clapping, I am SITTING RIGHT HERE, you know!)
@Sue Buddy - thank you, I will read in a little bit. Need a break from this.
Well done, Sue Buddy.
And for the record, I also believe Robert Hoffman.
Excellent article Sue Buddy!
Sue Buddy-Brava! You concisely put into words exactly what I've been feeling. Thank you!
Since narcissism is no longer recognized as a personality disorder, I think she may quite possibly have been misdiagnosed. Read this. It has KK's name written all over it.
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/03/29/narcissists-who-cry-the-other-side-of-the-ego/
Great article, Sue Buddy!
Here's my idea of how the ultimate fans would defend her: a fan as sent her kids for Kate to keep (I know, I know, but hang with me a minute) and they come home bruised and begging please don't make us go back, she beat us and punched us and slapped us. Über fans response: oh you guys are just trying to blame poor Kate for something like this. Why, kate is the sweetest, bestest mother in the world. Kids ask, well, have you ever met her? Über fan, no of course not but we are best buds on twitter. Kids say, oh mom for creeps sake, she is not like that person you pretend she is. SHE HIT US, FOR GOD'S SAKE. Über fan, listen kids, this is the only celebrity I've ever known, I am living vicariously through her and I ain't givin that up for you little pests.
Seriously, I don't doubt this is the mentality of these idiots. Nothing and nobody will change their minds. And their defense for all this will be Shoot the Messenger.
KAT said...
If shes not on meds...not good to leave her alone with anyone....too unpredictable...shes mentally ill....literally. We all knew it was something..also think she's OCD...usally there is a dual diagnosis...shes a mess...also its hard to deal with people....its wonder she can go on T.V. and not fall apart....she probably loves it when she on one of her highs....also when they feel good they love to spend money..where are all her friends...somebody should get her on something.....very serious...this also explains why she still thinks she is getting a T.V. show...unrealistic expectations..
************
You're making a lot of assumptions of a bipolar individual's symptoms (used to be called manic/depressive disorder). Not all rage and not all are violent. The highs and lows of individuals varies greatly. Many are able to lead very productive lives without strangers being aware AT ALL, of their illnesses. They do not all love to spend money; that's just one example of some patient's "highs". Some may shop or garden or cook a LOT or be sexually promiscuous when they're in the more manic phase, some may just be full of energy & not able to sleep during the high phase. Not all have unrealistic expectations. I think we all need to be careful in applying the more extreme symptoms of this disorder to every individual who is diagnosed as bipolar, including Kate. Yes, many suffer from extreme highs and extremely depressive lows, but as with all medical problems, there are varying degrees of severity. This is an illness that can be treated. Many patients suffer greatly from it for many years. I hope for Kate's sake that if this is true that she will seek help and that she can lead a productive, happy and healthy life and provide stability and love and a nurturing environment for the precious children she is raising.
I wonder who the children will sue first when they find out that networks, government officials, nannies, etc., knew they were being abused and never stepped up to rescue them. I hope they sock it to them when they do. Watch out TLC, ABC, and so on.
By the way, thank you for your comments to my post about my little niece and nephew. It has been hard to watch and not be able to do anything.
annastasia said... 61
''If kate really is bi-polar, is it possible for her to turn it off and on? Because how many times have we seen her out in public, without the kids, smiling her azz off, and then with the kids, no smiles in site. Does having bi-polar make that possible?''
~~~~~
In my opinion, the answer to your question is:
Without the kids = smiling her ass off
With the kids = no smiles in sight!!
BFF Deanna tweets:
There are quite a few tweets from Deanna but most are similar to these.
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting
@hockeymom9598 @bhappylovelaugh @bioghawg @siobhanr111 @kateplusmy8 Actually I know the kids & they are great. This man is a profiteer.
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting
@SiobhanR111 @bhappylovelaugh @kateplusmy8 Agreed! Odd that this stalker sent cryptic tweets for months instead of calling police w/ "proof"
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting
@SandieBellz @bhappylovelaugh @stxmom @barbgilmer Sandie, it's sad, but this person is trying to profit off of lies.
Deanna Bell
@deannatweeting
@stxmom Having traveled with K & 8, I can happily say those lies are completely untrue! Makes me sad to see tabloid lies about a friend.
Since Deanna didn't even know the kids when they were two and was not there, I'm not sure how she can say any of this is not true. And I can assure her that many people who know a child abuser well are shocked to find out such things were happening. These people hide their misdeeds well.
Formerly Duped, Sassy Lassy, Kate is a twit,koop dedoo, thank you so much. Kate's fans drive me crazy. I have to keep reminding myself in the grand scheme of things, they are a mere drop in the bucket.
Kate may be bi-polar, but that's not all she is.
-child abuser
-spouse abuser
-liar
-grifter
-con artist
-fame whore
-family alienator
-bully
-fraud
-narcissist
-all around bitch
Good article Sue Buddy!
Kate can take all the meds in the medicine chest & it won't change her personality. She's a nasty, evil liar & there are no drugs for evil.
Tweet from Kate's P.R man:
mattdillon1983
Sending love your way @Kateplusmy8 - such a shame that nonsense, unfounded info and plain mean spirited people have 2 much time. Big Hugs. x
************************************************
Apparently he doesn't know his client too well.
I know I should stop looking at sheeple tweets, but these 2 really make me question their thinking. Both of these were from Paige.
"and i think a spoon would hurt less than a hand"
"first of all even if the "proposed book" is all true, I don't care! people change, people grow up and people move on. #TeamKate"
Yes, Paige, people do change-but what about the kids? You don't care that this happened to them? I thought you "loved" them.
Why not just agree that she is just a bitch, no fancy illness that she can hide behind. And the way she worded it, my impressed was that she 'whipped' Collin into bed real hard, like, she 'threw' him. Actually, probably worse than if she spanked him in bed. I think Jon's worst involvement in all of this mess is that he let her manipulate him into sex when she was overstimulated and told by the doctor to abstain. And he is trying to make that mistake up to the kids right to this day.
Kate is a twit said... 91
I know I should stop looking at sheeple tweets, but these 2 really make me question their thinking. Both of these were from Paige.
"and i think a spoon would hurt less than a hand"
"first of all even if the "proposed book" is all true, I don't care! people change, people grow up and people move on. #TeamKate"
Yes, Paige, people do change-but what about the kids? You don't care that this happened to them? I thought you "loved" them.
************************************************
Well. You can't argue with that kind of insanity.
That young lady is in for a huge fall.
I pray that she has a strong support system around her.
Kate is a twit said... 91
I know I should stop looking at sheeple tweets, but these 2 really make me question their thinking. Both of these were from Paige.
"and i think a spoon would hurt less than a hand"
"first of all even if the "proposed book" is all true, I don't care! people change, people grow up and people move on. #TeamKate"
Yes, Paige, people do change-but what about the kids? You don't care that this happened to them? I thought you "loved" them.
--------------
She also tweeted yesterday that her father spanked her with a belt.
Paige C @Paige_Kate8fan
all kids need disipline hell i was spanked with a damn belt i turned out ok, JUST saying, my dad got whipped by a teacher when he was a kid
I don't know if you can answer this Admin, but does Robert address how he came to get her journal and emails? I hope so. Maybe then people will stop focusing on HOW he got the information and start focusing on the information itself.
I don't know about anyone else but I saw the fear in their eyes quite a few times. One was in the RV trip when she was showing Ashley the dollar she found. Ashley was talking to someone else when, I'm not sure who, I think Alexis, interrupted and said look what i got. Ashley asked where she got it and she replied that she found it. Ashley got up to take care of something and I think Alexis thought Ashley was going to tell on her or something. The fear I saw in Alexis' eyes as she said again that she found it was so telling to me. I knew then that Kate must abuse them.
Since the article on ROL came out, Kate has actually tweeted a total of 5 times. Two of those tweets were about CC, 1 was to Milo saying it was a happy day(late breakfast,lunch,etc. and that she loves her kids), the last 2 were replies to people who rarely tweet her.
Yet she has retweeted other tweets 10 times! What happened to the "chatty" Kate she promised the other night? Why don't her fans wonder why she's not tweeting? It's not like she's been absent from twitter. You would think they would suspect something, but yet they don't.
Milo isn't even asking her where she's been.
I normally don't like when the non-fans on twitter start tweeting companies and other people regarding small things about Kate. But I have to admit I was happy to see that some tweeted the link to Sue Buddy's article to the ladies of The View.
oop's I meant to say one of the girls showed ...
So far we've learned of abuse and mental illness.
Admin, can you throw us another bone?
Busy day at work so I'm way behind here. Trying to catch up with all the comments as best I can while I wait for DS to get done with football practice.
Whatever mental illness Kate has, it has to be in addition to major narcissistic personality disorder. That has to figure in there somewhere. It's so blatant.
I'm personally thrilled that the major shows and magazines seem to have no interest in this book, along with most of the public. It confirms how completely done her career is. If an expose like this doesn't grab the public's interest, nothing Kate Gosselin related will. Good luck with those books your writing, Kate.
Like everyone here, I can't wait to read it this weekend.
I'm surprised someone spanked with a belt wouldn't sympathize with these kids.
It boggles the mind the way people jump to defend the abuser. Wouldn't natural maternal instincts direct you to sympathize with the kids here? It's just not natural to defend such things when kids are involved. The benefit of the doubt shoul be with the kids.
Paige C @Paige_Kate8fan
all kids need disipline hell i was spanked with a damn belt i turned out ok, JUST saying, my dad got whipped by a teacher when he was a kid
#############
Define ok.
I'm going to step away for a couple of hours-
I have Aerobics & Zumba classes to attend.
See ya-
Pink
Kate is front and center on my MSN page along with direct quotes from her "diary"...also starting to hit the mainstream news...
njay said... 82
I wonder who the children will sue first when they find out that networks, government officials, nannies, etc., knew they were being abused and never stepped up to rescue them. I hope they sock it to them when they do. Watch out TLC, ABC, and so on.
--------------
They should sue their Dad first.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 102
I'm surprised someone spanked with a belt wouldn't sympathize with these kids.
It boggles the mind the way people jump to defend the abuser. Wouldn't natural maternal instincts direct you to sympathize with the kids here? It's just not natural to defend such things when kids are involved. The benefit of the doubt shoul be with the kids.
-------
If Paige is telling the truth, and that's a big if, her comments are part of what makes this whole mess so fascinating. One would think she'd identify with the children and not with Kate. But here we have an 18 or 22 year old (no one's sure about her age) idolizing to the EXTREME an older woman who's been shown over and over again to care little about mothering. Paige is a text book case for denial! And let's throw in some rose-colored glasses, too!
Like others here, I have to take a break for a few days. This news was stunning, even though we thought it for years.... abused her kids, bipolar and refusing to take meds..... and there is surely more horror to be revealed.
It is too sickening to read. And the chapter about animal cruelty makes me hope the dog eats her face off. On that note, I realize I am overwhelmed and not thinking logically.
Maybe taking a break will calm down my head and heart.
I just cannot get my head around how this has all been allowed to happen, how a major station filmed it without intervention and how the kids have been allowed to remain with her. AND how none of the kids has been severely injured.
Once again I think of OJ and his rage issues. And how that turned out.
He has rage issues and was a controlling narcissist. She is the same. He killed two people. I cannot but worry that at some point the carrier will lose it also. Look at Joel Steinburg and Hedda Nesbaum.
Scary, scary, scary. Doesn't seem possible, does it? But then, who would have ever thought OJ would do what he did?
This whole 'thing' is just a revolting, nauseating story that makes my head and heart ache.
I'll be back sometime because I like the people who post here....
Protect your hearts, everyone.
Once the book is out and the facts are presented, I do hope it hits the mainstream media. Kate deserves to be seen for who she is and what she has done/is doing to those children.
I am wondering if we should not wait until the book comes out as people are already lining up into the believers and nonbelievers and have completely overlooked the fact that it is KT's own words. Things may be taken out of context and dismissed as not factual and people may not read the book. When reading the whole book it will become more clear, but the bracelet 6 will still back her, because they are not going to give up their I am friends with a celebrity status. I just get the worst feeling reading this - one that I have never felt before. Somewhere between nausea and something else. Strange. I knew it was bad but not that bad.
Robert lists several sources including someone from TLC, nannies, friends Etc. If Kate sent her diary out to a team organizing the book 5, 10 maybe more saw it. Any of them could have supplied it to him.
Interesting that we are not hearing Kate deny anything yet...LIES, ALL LIES, I TELL YOU...that should speak for itself....And I'm sorry but I would love to know who screwed Kate over and gave this guy the harddrive...
Sounds like Paige hasn't processed her own abuse.
If she lives in CA they will throw you in jail if you whip your kid with a belt and I've seen it happen.
TLC stinks said... 189
Admin, if a bi-polar parent is off their meds and is abusive and considered a danger to their kids, the other parent can petition the court for a psych eval. and sole custody.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'm wondering when she was diagnosed. There was some talk/scuttlebutt on the blogs in early 2009 that Kate was taking medication 'for her nerves' and it was helping. Did TLC tell her to get some help?
Or did this diagnosis come after the separation? She was an extreme and public parent alienator. When my relatives' almost ex pulled that crap he was ordered to get a psych eval.
Either way, not surprised she's not taking meds and self-medicating. Very often those with BPD stop taking their meds because they harsh their buzz. Kate thinks being mean, nasty and holier than thou is what makes herself so strong, determined and awesome. She's certainly not going to take a medication that allows her to be calm, even, pleasant and agreeable. That's for wusses.
I am going to admit that whenever Kate was gone or had not a nanny taking care of the kids, I was glad. I at least could be somewhat sure that they were treated nice.
I can only imagine that Ashley stayed on and "dealt" with Kate's abuse to her and the kids, to protect them as much as she could. I know that is what I would do providing I had that much strength. I would hope that I would. Who really knows though until you experience it yourself.
Someone up thread had asked why, if Ashley said she would die for the kids, why she didn't report the abuse. Maybe she saw that her being there would help the kids more than reporting it. After all, others reported it and nothing was done.
I wonder what Jamie thinks about all this. Oh, and isn't it funny that such a close friend of Kate doesn't even tweet her? Hummmmm.
Admin-I just have one question about the book. If you can't answer, I understand. In the book, does Robert have actual screenshots or photographs of any of the emails?
KAT said... 112
And I'm sorry but I would love to know who screwed Kate over and gave this guy the harddrive...
------------------------------
Screwed her over? Hmmm, obviously someone who 1) finally got tired of her lies and shit, and 2) someone who hopes to end her abuse of the kids.
I don't think of it as 'screwing her over'. I think of it as a brave attempt to protect her kids. This is the first attempt at a public intervention, ever. Presumably there have been some behind the scenes attempts at interventions that we don't know about... and they didn't work. So, make it public and don't feel bad AT ALL for calling her out on her bullshit and lies. Hope it works, at least to some degree.
If it helps her moderate her rage or take her meds, great. If it makes her too afraid to harm the kids knowing the public is watching, great. If she loses it and harms one or more of the kids, well then, off they go to a safe home and away from her madness. I hope it's not the third scenario.
Jane said... 94
She also tweeted yesterday that her father spanked her with a belt.
Paige C @Paige_Kate8fan
all kids need disipline hell i was spanked with a damn belt i turned out ok, JUST saying, my dad got whipped by a teacher when he was a kid
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Note that she said "a damn belt". The adjective she chose to use shows how she really feels about it and she "turned out ok"...not great, just "ok". Not exactly a glowing review on the benefits of corporal punishment, is it?
So Paige, if you read here, did you have welts, bruises and open stripes from the belt? How did that make you feel? Do you remember crying out in pain wishing it would end? Think about it and remember it and then try to defend it.
This whole thing sickens me and those who defend Kate sicken me even more.
Jane, this is not directed at you, just copied and pasted your post as it pertained to the comment I wanted/needed to make.
I'm not going to assume Ashley didn't do her part either. For all we know she was the first to call. We have no idea. But I understand now why she stuck this out like she did. Quite a young woman to be caught up in such a thing.
I tried to take a break but every where I look...shes there...I think I'll watch an old movie tonight to seperate myself from this...I'll try...really I will...
KAT said... 112
Interesting that we are not hearing Kate deny anything yet...LIES, ALL LIES, I TELL YOU...that should speak for itself....And I'm sorry but I would love to know who screwed Kate over and gave this guy the harddrive...
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
I don't think you have to think real hard on who had access and motive.
Paige is Kate reincarnated...Kate idolized a mom of multiples when she was a teen...and here we have Paige following suit.
Paige can't see any wrong in Kate, because SHE wants to be just like Kate.
Admin, does the book say when she was diagnosed with bi-polar disorder?
I bet if you asked Paige if she wants multiples when 'she grows up', she'd tell you oh YES! wouldn't that be fun...I'd like at least quads!
When confronted about them by a "hater," Paige walked back those initial claims:
@Paige_Kate8fan
@XXXXX@Kateplusmy8 I know i said that, then I asked my mom and she said no but you were threatened
26 Sep Chablis @Chablis4u
@Kateplusmy8 Now Paige is changing her mind and saying she was "threatened" with a belt. Not buying it. She was abused by her father.
KAT said... 120
I tried to take a break but every where I look...shes there...I think I'll watch an old movie tonight to seperate myself from this...I'll try...really I will...
----------
You got it! I walk away for hours or a day and then I'm sucked back in. Especially now. As someone who watched the show from the beginning and saw the sweetness of those children, learning of the abuse we all suspected is upsetting. Yeah, we don't really know them, but we were drawn to their story.
I don't absolve Jon entirely but I have to say that living with someone who has a mental illness is excruciatingly hard. If he had to leave to save himself and thus the kids, I get that.
What? Um I think you know when you are hit by a belt! Maybe she's worried her dad will go to jail.
I wonder why Kate would commit this stuff to writing/computer. Why? She wouldn't use it in a book surely, and she wouldn't want Beth or Jon to have access to it, so that I don't understand.
Also Kate was fairly computer illiterate- which is maybe why she didn't wipe her hard drive. Not doubting the validity of the stuff, just wondering how Kate's mind works! (shudder)
I mentioned this to a friend today and she did not really know who Kate even is.
When confronted about them by a "hater," Paige walked back those initial claims:
@Paige_Kate8fan
@XXXXX@Kateplusmy8 I know i said that, then I asked my mom and she said no but you were threatened
26 Sep Chablis @Chablis4u
@Kateplusmy8 Now Paige is changing her mind and saying she was "threatened" with a belt. Not buying it. She was abused by her father.
&&&&&&&
She ask her mother? If you've ever been beaten with a belt you would remember it and wouldn't need to ask anyone. Either she is making it up or thought better of putting that on Twitter for friends and family to see.
I thought Kate let even beat...I mean discipline the kids.
How do we know that these young nannies, who were trying to control eight difficult children, did not use the spanker on a regular basis.
It's hard to believe, but there are people who see nothing wrong with this.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 127
What? Um I think you know when you are hit by a belt! Maybe she's worried her dad will go to jail.
--------------
I tweeted her yesterday, asking if she realized this was abuse and she backtracked and said she was threatened. When I asked her again she said she was spanked. And now her tweets are locked. The girl needs help - just like her idol. Interesting, isn't it?
Not sure about the bipolar either. Too much evil is credited to mental illness although I agree with what you all have said about narcissistic personality disorder,
Formerly duped 128,
she has absolutely no idea what she did was wrong. It's the narcissist in her. On one very sick level she is proud of how 'serious' her rage was. "Look at ME! Aren't I just the most cruel mother ever!!! I'm more cruel than anyone else!! I win!!" Sick.
"She" did it, therefore of course it's golden. Her mental illness makes her think 'anything' she says or does is golden.
Milo speaks:
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 First off...I think its immoral&deplorable that a mother's private journal is stolen, misused & manipulated 2promote falsehood!
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 A mother's journal is not so much the reality of the day..but the emotion of the day, her way2relieve stress & analyze her day!
Stolen-manipulated? They accuse Robert and want proof from him-why doesn't she ask Kate for proof it was stolen and manipulated?
The journal is not about the reality of the day? WTF-did Kate just make up these episodes to relieve stress?
I think I better stop reading sheeple tweets. My blood pressure must be shooting through the roof!!
I'm back...Yeah I know...you all have to go to twitter...its on fire...The great Milo has decided to facinate us with her opinion...She's totally blaming Jon''saying he has the access to her stuff and.... she said that if there was abuse...a trip to the emergency room would have been in order.....isn't she brilliant...the mighty Milo has spoken...
It will be interesting to see where the bipolar diagnosis came from. If the carrier said she had bipolar, well then... she said she had PCOS and infertility too.
She's talking = she's lying. Credibility = zero!
If there are medical records to back it up, or prescription records, then I may believe it. But remember, being a nurse, she knows just how to report her symptoms to get a diagnosis she wants.
And what could be more sympathetic than a poor woman with a house full of kids, who only wanted 'just one more'. "Using" a mental illness diagnosis would be just about as despicable as we have come to expect from this woman. After all, who can hate someone with a mental illness? Oh, she's a devious one.
Yeah, pretty strange to flip your story like that (to put it kindly/mildly).
Any chance you're blocked, Jane? I can see her tweets.
That's right, when abuse is going on blame the whistle blower! It doesn't even matter who is the source anymore, it really doesn't.
Only abuse that lands you in the ER is abuse. Lol.
Sigh.
Reading.
Praying.
Hoping there's justice for those kids.
So tired of mean people getting away with it.
Formerly Duped said... 128
I wonder why Kate would commit this stuff to writing/computer. Why? She wouldn't use it in a book surely, and she wouldn't want Beth or Jon to have access to it, so that I don't understand.
Also Kate was fairly computer illiterate- which is maybe why she didn't wipe her hard drive. Not doubting the validity of the stuff, just wondering how Kate's mind works! (shudder)
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
I shudder to think how Hoffman's mind works.
Twit...I know..my head is ready to blow up..
My take on why she would document this kind of thing - to prove her control, her greatness...she sees nothing wrong with it. Think of her running ahead of the kids to pick out a puppy. Do you think she ever let the kids win a game on game night? Or a sprint?
(I don't think she was journaling to help sort out her emotions...I think her writing was JUSTIFICATION or RATIONALIZATION of her outbursts)
Maybe sheeple don't watch the news. Did they see that the public so desperately wanted to find a hero in the Sandusky scandal? Someone who stood up and said I did everything I could to help out those poor kids. It never happened and it was hard to see such failure. We want to think we would be better than that. We, at least most of us, want to think that if we had such a diary we would expose it.
Formerly Duped said... 128
I wonder why Kate would commit this stuff to writing/computer. Why? She wouldn't use it in a book surely, and she wouldn't want Beth or Jon to have access to it, so that I don't understand.
************************
At the time, she thought she WOULD use it in a book. A book that proved how put upon, how stressed, how #busyandexhausted she was/IS. It was all about gaining pity and attention for being the most struggling mom evah. "I Just Wanted You To Know What You MADE Me Do."
Sue Buddy,
Your article made me cry. You articulated everything I was feeling but couldn't express in my own words. Thank you.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981665512
She's going to plead mea culpa before some tv doctor or a sympathetic female interviewer. And she'll say she's on meds, blah blah but it's not because she wants help, but because she got caught. She's not interested in making life better for the kids, she's interested in continuing to promote herself anyway she can. This is just a bump in the road for her, she'll say that God has pointed her in the right direction and she'll be spewing unicorns and rainbows in a few weeks. Lordy, we all know she can cry on cue! This time, it'll be torrential!
And now like Kat and Twit, I'm going to walk away, watch Seinfeld and have a cup of green tea :)
koop dedoo said... 142
My take on why she would document this kind of thing - to prove her control, her greatness...she sees nothing wrong with it. Think of her running ahead of the kids to pick out a puppy. Do you think she ever let the kids win a game on game night? Or a sprint?
(I don't think she was journaling to help sort out her emotions...I think her writing was JUSTIFICATION or RATIONALIZATION of her outbursts)
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Agree agree agree! No, seriously, I really do! it was all about poor pitiful Kate. "The infants MADE me do it, and they did it deliberatly coz everyone is against me in life."
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 First off...I think its immoral&deplorable that a mother's private journal is stolen, misused & manipulated 2promote falsehood!
&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
Of course it isn't immoral and deplorable that a crying toddler was picked up by the hair and thrown into his crib. What is immoral to Milo is that someone found it and exposed her actions. Milo is further gone than any of us thought.
Has Paige met Khate or any of the kids?
Admin....
I'm not going to assume Ashley didn't do her part either. For all we know she was the first to call. We have no idea. But I understand now why she stuck this out like she did. Quite a young woman to be caught up in such a thing.
0000000000000000000
Admin, I hope I didn't come across as blaming Ashley. If I did would you please correct me so I can learn where I went wrong. That was not my intention what soever.Thanks.
Kate is a twit said... 134
Milo speaks:
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 First off...I think its immoral&deplorable that a mother's private journal is stolen, misused & manipulated 2promote falsehood!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let the convenient lying and manipulation of facts begin! Stolen, Milo? Where do you get that the journal was stolen? Kate didn't pay Marty Singer $600-$1,000 an hour for 4 months so a stolen journal could get released anyway.
I think that Kate's greed and obsession with selling all the free shit she got is her downfall here. I think she sold that computer to someone she knew. She may have even tried to wipe the hard drive first. Technology has come a long way.......
I want to know what kind of parent Khate was for the twins before the tups were born or even conceived. Did she abuse them? And how badly?
Tamara . . . 152
Good question!!!
Marie
Why do I get a feeling that Milo DM'd Kate and said "You don't have to say a word. I'll take care of this for you", and Kate readily agreed.
Formerly Duped said... 128
I wonder why Kate would commit this stuff to writing/computer. Why? She wouldn't use it in a book surely, and she wouldn't want Beth or Jon to have access to it, so that I don't understand.
-------------------
She sees nothing wrong with it, and probably showed it off proudly. In her sick mind it's a mix of "oh poor me look at what my wicked horrible children drove me to do. But yet I didn't kill them because I am soooooo wonderful a mother and so kind and loving. My life is soooo hard!" She's not ashamed.
Wayward~Ah, but Milo's claiming Kate's too broke to hire/retain a lawyer, and may not be able to feed her kids if she chooses to fight this publication (shades of Reading Eagle, anyone?):
If this slanderous BK dealin w/supposed actions 6yrs ago affects Kate's ability 2wrk....who provides4thekids? #deadbeatdad?
Legal messes like this can go long & could prove 2be extremely costly once U get involved. She won't waste $$!
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 First off...I think its immoral&deplorable that a mother's private journal is stolen, misused & manipulated 2promote falsehood!
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 A mother's journal is not so much the reality of the day..but the emotion of the day, her way2relieve stress & analyze her day!
----
maybe Milo is one of Kate's multiple personalities!
So now Milo is saying Kate lies in her journal? who does that??
This allegation of child abuse has everyone upset, and rightfully so. Kids are beaten, molested, starved, mistreated, verbally abused, burned, the list is endless EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR.
In a nearby town, some grandparents are being charged with scalding their 2yrold granddaughter's feet. They say the child did it herself-she ran the water in the tub, she climbed in herself. yeah, right.
And although we all are heart-sick for the G kids (and rightfully so), this is happening in each town we all represent. RIGHT NOW.
It's all so sad isn't it?
KAT said... 135
I'm back...Yeah I know...you all have to go to twitter...its on fire...The great Milo has decided to facinate us with her opinion...She's totally blaming Jon''saying he has the access to her stuff and.... she said that if there was abuse...a trip to the emergency room would have been in order.....isn't she brilliant...the mighty Milo has spoken...
How many times have the kids broken bones? Didn't Cara have a broken ankle but Kate refused to have a cast put on because they just didn't have time to deal with a hard cast?
Wayward...perhaps Kate has confided in her best friend Milo through email and told her the journal/diary was stolen or downloaded by a former employee (or Jon!).
She must know some facts for sure, because Milo would NEVER tweet on behalf of Kate without having the correct information first!
Can you imagine what is on her iphone for her new book? She has said more than once that she is writing things on her iphone.
I'm also wondering if the people who worked for Kate ever called her out on her behavior? Not necessarily calling CPS but threatening to if she didn't stop her behavior.
If not, then maybe that's why Kate was willing to put all of this abuse in writing; she thought it was okay in her sick mind, especially if no one ever called her out.
Marie
The first 3 years of a child's life are said to be the most important. Yet it's almost as if M and C didn't exist until they were at least 4 and had 6 younger siblings to battle with and protect. Did any of Khate's bios go into the time before the tups were conceived?
Milo, honey, Kate already spent money trying to stop the book. She failed.
I'm so glad Milo's meetings are over and now she can concentrate on what is truly important in her life!
I'm just catching up on posts...haven't read through this page yet so please forgive me if I'm repeating.
As to the reactions of all the people on the other websites making stupid comments along the line of ' no big deal. I was spanked and I'm just fine' etc, etc...you guys are right. Most of these people only seem to know half the real story, at best. The exact same thing happened with the Mady in high heels photo thing. I was losing my mind reading so many comments of ' harmless fun...didn't we all do this' bull crap. NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO THE SAME THING! That was no innocent toddler playing dress up, unknown to the world outside your own circle, yet these morons just didn't get it! Arrrgh!
That's what seems to be happening all over again. I swear if that creature manages to skate on through this I think I will go insane! Good Lord wake the hell up, people! Kate Gosselin is a child ABUSER...not a parent doling out a little spanking once in a blue moon. Don't even get me started about her emotional cruelty that continues still to this day.
I am just about done with all of this. I have been waiting, like most of you here, for YEARS to see Kreider finally get taken down in a big, BIG way. Starting to think that may never happen.
God help those poor kids.
Improbable Dreams said... 156
Wayward~Ah, but Milo's claiming Kate's too broke to hire/retain a lawyer, and may not be able to feed her kids if she chooses to fight this publication (shades of Reading Eagle, anyone?):
If this slanderous BK dealin w/supposed actions 6yrs ago affects Kate's ability 2wrk....who provides4thekids? #deadbeatdad?
Legal messes like this can go long & could prove 2be extremely costly once U get involved. She won't waste $$!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ohhhhhh ok, I get it now! It's all filthy lies, but Kate wouldn't spend that kind of money fighting it.
Hey Robert! Tweak chapter 38 and make sure detail with great pain, the length$ Kate went to to stop the book.
The funny thing is, the herd acts like this is it. This is the extent of the expose. They are conveniently ignoring what's coming on Saturday.
I'm leaving for now. I need to go to a happy place and calm down. Going to watch "Big Bang Theory" and then "Glee".
Since Marty Singer was unable to stop publication of the book, will Kate refuse to pay him, as she did the therapist?
Milo is losing it, lol. She's making things worse and doesn't realize it.
HEY MILO!
Ask your idol if SHE read the book. I double dare you. go ahead. ASK HER.
I was raised by my grandparents because my mom was a single teenmom (19 years old) and we all lived on my grandparents farm. My mom worked fulltime as a nurse and when my she finally moved out when I was 12, she took me with her. She mostly ignored me all my life but when I ticked her off she used to smack me in the face, she did not hit me often, but always in the face. Im longtime married with 5! kids , an adult for a while now, she is older and really wants to be my mom, but I still dont respect her, I just can not!
It's interesting that Milo has found the letter "g". Usually she leaves the "g" out of words. Examples - fightin, lookin, etc. Maybe Milo's meetings were with Kate's PR people suggesting how she should defend Kate.
Robert accurately called it as to how Kate's PR people would attempt to address material in the book. First quiet, then personal attacks on Robert's character - saying he stole the diaries, altered the information, etc.
Dwindle said... 144
''Formerly Duped said... 128
I wonder why Kate would commit this stuff to writing/computer. Why? She wouldn't use it in a book surely, and she wouldn't want Beth or Jon to have access to it, so that I don't understand.''
************************
''At the time, she thought she WOULD use it in a book. A book that proved how put upon, how stressed, how #busyandexhausted she was/IS. It was all about gaining pity and attention for being the most struggling mom evah. "I Just Wanted You To Know What You MADE Me Do."
~~~~~~~~~~
Dwindle, I hope you don't mind, but I saved your previous response to this same question, because I think you said it so well...you said:
''Seriously though, I think perhaps her justification was to later sort through it, for use in a book, about how overwhelmed she was/is, how put upon, how horrible her life is, and yes how those dang kids ruined her life. Look at what came out in "I just cant stop being annoyed by you" or whatever she called it. I think she was planning on sypmathy and tea and gift cards and media tours when she parsed out how she just #sobusyandexhausted that she had no other outlet but to beat her babies.
A truly psychopathic narcissist, that beating, humiliating, pinching, hair pulling, screaming and name calling babies and toddlers should win HER attention and sympathy.''
~~~~~
Perfect!
Going through nannies like some people go through kleenex fits the profile...the nannies just couldn't take the yelling and abusive discipline.
Didn't Kate at one time blab about getting new computers...and someone mentioned she might have sold her old ones? (remember? we all talked about how it would have been nice if she donated them to a charity?)
Milo needs to take a refresher course in regard to discarded property.
MILO: discarded property no longer belongs to the owner. Once you place it in the trash, it's FAIR GAME to anyone.
(read it twice in case it didn't make sense)
PatK said... 159
Wayward...perhaps Kate has confided in her best friend Milo through email and told her the journal/diary was stolen or downloaded by a former employee (or Jon!).
She must know some facts for sure, because Milo would NEVER tweet on behalf of Kate without having the correct information first!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
True dat!
Here's the golden tweet I'm waiting for with baited breath:
MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Hey Kate we all know you're a good mama and you're providin bakin and cleanin for your 8. How about a picture of Shoka comfortin you during this 'ruff' time? @spoiledpuplovinhismama
I know this tweet will come to fruition I KNOW IT! Just wait :)
Radaronline is read by a great many and I think it is very encouraging that they have run 3 stories in 2 days about the child abuse. It seems like they are probably open to running stories of all the revelations in the book. And no doubt people will begin to read the book.
I always thought Radaronline had Kate's back but no longer do they.
Even if this book doesn't make a splash in the main media, any company, individual, TV channel, publisher, etc. that may have had a thought about working with Kate will no doubt read the book. And no doubt these documented facts in the book will make them steer clear of her. That will hurt Kate the most. It will run people away from her and not want to do business with her in any form or fashion.
And most of all, hopefully TLC (Discovery) will NEVER want to do an updates with Kate in the future. If they associate with Kate, then the media will question them about their involvement that is written in the book. I always feared TLC would do updates with the Gosselins because I think millions would tune in to see them grow up. But hopefully this won't happen with TLC or any TV company because of this book.
Paula said... 168
Since Marty Singer was unable to stop publication of the book, will Kate refuse to pay him, as she did the therapist?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Admin would have the answer to this, but most lawyers seem to make you pay up front, then pre pay for continuation of services. Pay as you go. So they don't get stuck if you don't like the eventual outcome.
Paige C @Paige_Kate8fan
all kids need disipline hell i was spanked with a damn belt i turned out ok, JUST saying, my dad got whipped by a teacher when he was a kid
OK? You turned out ok? Paige had a YouTube video of herself up the other day, sitting in her room, talking about a calendar, dieting, exercise, and what a mess her life is. She has since pulled it down. She's a poor lost soul. She is indeed another Kate.
The sheeple are nauseating. Their ignorance is showing like never before. This is a toddler, for cripes sakes, who was pulled by the hair and whipped into the crib. This is not a 10-year-old who is disciplined by some swats on the behind for giving his mom the lip about something! I'd never even do that. I never once have laid a hand on any of my kids. Other forms of discipline work just fine.
A two-year-old has no idea what he is doing wrong, or why his mom is punishing him by physically hurting him. I am so sick over this that I'm not sure I want to read this chapter in the book (or the one on animal abuse).
Maggie 176
But hopefully this won't happen with TLC or any TV company because of this book.
-----------
Kate was brought down by her own hand...literally. She wrote all this damaging stuff in a journal, emails, contracts, etc.
Her media career is in the dumpster.
This book will follow her around like skunk spray. She will always have the stink of abusing her children on her person. And she did it to herself.
wayward said... 151
I think that Kate's greed and obsession with selling all the free shit she got is her downfall here. I think she sold that computer to someone she knew. She may have even tried to wipe the hard drive first. Technology has come a long way.......
--------------------------------------------------
This makes a lot of sense.
BTW, I did take a rare look at Katie Irene's twitter. She's right "there are a lot of wonderful ppl" there. What a hoot.
What's Next at 172 ~ I noticed that, too. Another time Milo discovered her missing 'g' key? During the dust-up involving Deanna, a short back. Makes ya think about the commonalities, doesn't it?
On another subject altogether, I'm wondering (along with others of you here) if she knew a long time ago that someone got access to her computer files. Bet that scared her. COULD THIS BE WHY SHE NOW "WRITES" HER MANUSCRIPTS ON an iPHONE, which never ever leaves her side? LOL.
Oh, I wouldn't put it past TLC to do a follow up with Kate now. The more dysfunctional the better. Just think of the ratings they could get.
Marie
Jane said...
She also tweeted yesterday that her father spanked her with a belt.
@Paige_Kate8fan
all kids need disipline hell i was spanked with a damn belt i turned out ok, JUST saying, my dad got whipped by a teacher when he was a kid
*************
Paige doesn't know what the heck she's talking about -- even with her own life!!!
Read Paige's twitter a little farther.
When questioned about being spanked by @ellamenopea:
You were spanked with a belt? That's not ok & I'm sorry this happened to you. It's child abuse! #childabuse
@Paige_Kate8fan
no but i was threatened .. not child abuse
and then:
@Chablis4u
Now Paige is changing her mind and saying she was "threatened" with a belt. Not buying it. She was abused by her father.
Paige_Kate8fan
I was not! I was spanked when bad and threatened taught me to respect authority
@Chablis4u
I saw your post. You said you were hit with a belt by your dad. Want me to get it?
@Paige_Kate8fan
I know i said that, then I asked my mom and she said no but you were threatened
@Paige_Kate8fan
I was not! I was spanked when bad and threatened taught me to respect authority
She also doesn't think the abuse is true because if it was "if thoes kids were abused you would be able to see it on their faces"
UGH -- the mentality and comprehension and emotional maturity of Kate's teenage sheeple fans.
Why does Milo ask for pics of Shoka? There was a post a day or so ago asking for one of Shoka looking at the fishbowl...???
Jo, ah, thanks. Reading what you said brought a tear to my eye.
She must know some facts for sure, because Milo would NEVER tweet on behalf of Kate without having the correct information first!
++++++++++++++++++
Oh, geez, I hope Milo isn't on her way to PA to console Kate. She might be afraid that Kate's phone would be tapped or stolen, or her computer hacked and therefore the info she shares with Milo wouldn't be kept private. She might figure that she MUST speak to Kate in person. She also needs to check up on Shoka, since Kate refuses to take a photo of him holding up the day's newspaper.
I'll let you know if I see anyone with purple sneakers and a cane, singing to herself, "I've had the time of my life, and I owe it all to you" as she hobbles down Heffner Road.
I've mentioned my great relationship with my dad before. He never, ever hit or hurt me. He talked to me. I respect him tremendously and always have. No sheeple, you do not need to beat a child to get them to respect you.
If any good comes out of this expose, it will be that Kate would be a fool to lay a hand on these kids ever again because she knows that she will be watched.
If the new child protection laws go into effect, then ANYONE will be able to report abuse, and not just those who are mandatory reporters.
Paula, I've been thinking the same thing. He didn't "fix" the problem, so he doesn't deserve to get paid, a la the therapist. That's just exactly the way her mind would work.
Tamara, I suspect (hope, pray) that things weren't as bad for the twins for the simple reason that their grandparents, particularly Jon's father, were involved in their lives.
@Paige_Kate8fan
I was not! I was spanked when bad and threatened taught me to respect authority
__________________
No, Paige that is fear of someone bigger than you doing you bodily harm not respect of authority.
As to Milo asking for pictures of Shoka, I think it is because she suspects Shoka is gone or others have suggested as much and she wants proof that Shoka is still there.
Admin would have the answer to this, but most lawyers seem to make you pay up front, then pre pay for continuation of services. Pay as you go. So they don't get stuck if you don't like the eventual outcome.
+++++++++++++++++
They ask for a retainer up front (perhaps a thousand dollars). If you've been a client in the past, many will waive the retainer. Once billing reaches that amount, then they will bill you by the hour, usually monthly.
Tamara asked if Paige has ever met any of the kids or Kate. Unless it's been done on the QT, which I highly doubt since Paige would have never been able to keep it quiet and since her father refused to let her travel to the Kentucky Derby last year to meet Kate, I'd say no. In fact, Kate ignores her on twitter and doesn't reply to thank her for gifts and cards she sends to Kate and the kids.
It is just so hard to know where to start with these sheeple!
There is OBVIOUSLY a very long list of people who can easily step up in at this very moment to defend Kate, namely her parents, her siblings, her friends. But no, it's a small group of strangers on Twitter! Sheeple, forget HOW the information has come to pass, and look at the CONTENT, (70% in Kate's OWN words). I am open-minded and fair enough to listen to Kate's family and friends defend her, to hear another version of all this. We are ALL outside the story, and just processing what we are now being told, coupled with witnessing her behaviour over the years.
Annastasia 61...One of my brothers is Bi-polar and no, you cannot turn it on and off. When he was manic, nothing could bring him back to reality, and during his depressive times, he could not be pulled out of his darkness. Thankfully, he finally acknowledged he was mentally ill and is on meds now that flatten him out and allow him to function. When he was manic, he was completely delusional, and Kate has certainly shown us that side of her personality many times over.
I do not believe Kate is Bi-polar based on my experience with my brother's mental illness. Only a professional can tell us what mental illness she may or may not have.
If your soul needs some soothing after all this mess, try some puppy therapy. Go to www.livestream.com/eukanubapuppychannel/. It's a litter of 8 yellow lab pups, 13 days old, that will grow up to become Canine Companions for Independence Service Dogs. They are sweet, innocent and calming to watch. Right now they aren't doing a lot besides eat and sleep and crawl around their pen, but in a week or two they should be entertaining with their puppy antics.
Kat: Kate said: Don't believe anything that is on the internet about me or the tabs, or anything else, cause it is a lie, unless it comes from me.
So what Kate is saying, that if it does not come directly out of her mouth it is a lie. So anything you read on the internet is a lie, which means, what Kate puts out there may or may not be what she said or her (you know you can hire a ghost writer, like this last CC blog was). Kate puts her own foot in her own mouth! You can't have it both ways.
I see Kate is very quiet today, must be on the phone with lawyers, doing damage control or tryin too, and I would not be surprised if Jon was on her about this too or his lawyer, on her about this. JMO
Ah,now some tweets are saying that this is a different Milo. I suspect as much as well. A Milo whose "g" works on his/her computer.
This Milo is asking for reinforcements.
"Wish more of her supporters would speak up. I know its hard..they go after U as well...but not rt 4Kate 2b "vilified" like this."
Kate's other greatest fan (the tx one) says it's lies, all lies...how dare 'bobby' say such horrible things about her idol...she thinks Jon wrote all those horrible things and signed Kate's name...and besides, all we HATERS think Jon is PERFECT (uhh...nope)..and it might have been one of his hundreds of ex girlfriends that wrote it...yep, that's it, it's a conspiracy!
It couldn't be Kate, cuz,cuz, ..(her words follow).. 'BUT I do believe since the J&KP8 days she has tried to and is turning her life around in many positive ways, providing for her children so that they are living wonderful lives, having their material needs met above and beyond, and are by all accounts thriving and flourishing under her care'
good grief.
On another subject altogether, I'm wondering (along with others of you here) if she knew a long time ago that someone got access to her computer files. Bet that scared her. COULD THIS BE WHY SHE NOW "WRITES" HER MANUSCRIPTS ON an iPHONE, which never ever leaves her side? LOL
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
I know that would scare me. I would probably ban them from my property.
readerlady and whomever else addressed my having Kate's supposed diagnosis wrong-Thank you for clarifying this. Yes,being bi-polar is much worse, especially with mania and depressive mood swings. I do hope that out of this debacle, Kate does get some help. She is accountable for what she has done to these children and as abusive as she is, she is the only mother they have. She will always be in their lives in one way or another and there is no question that she needs help to become a stable and nurturing parent. Whether she will accept help when she is in complete denial that she had done anything wrong to those children is another matter. After all, she must think she is wonderful with so many of the sheeple adoring her the way she is. It is actually more that they love who Kate pretends to be. The children know the truth and I think in the end, they will be the ones that finally shatter her pretense with the truth.
I am without exaggeration, crying since having read the Robert's newly posted transcript of what Kate wrote about her"discipline" of those children. As others have pointed out, if she treated animals this way, there would be outrage(and she probably does hit Shoka) I hope to god an intervention comes from some direction now to keep those kids safe.
My mother beat all of her children. I have no relationship with her today. The abuse was extreme.
Here's my thought about the reason Kate would share her journals with other people. I truly believe she felt she would get sympathy for being so stressed out. My mother always acted like her rages were justified and she felt sorry for herself.
I'm having a hard time putting it into words here. Kate has no empathy for her children (or anyone) and she only thinks of life in terms of how it affects her. In her sick mind, it had NOTHING to do with the children, it was all about poor Kate who was left in an unmanageable situation and that caused her to act that way.
My mother would reflect on her abuses years later and tried to talk to me about a few of the episodes but her angle was always in terms of how bad SHE felt...she never considered me. She felt bad, she wishes that she didn't behave that way. Poor her. Everything always reflected back to her.
Post a Comment
Want to see your comment published? Follow a few simple rules:
1. Do not use Anonymous. Pick a name (click Name/URL to type in a name) and stick to the same name.
2. Anonymous insider stories should be emailed to us directly (in confidence). They will not be posted here unless we can verify the validity, such as with photos. This is not to discourage legitimate insiders from speaking out, but to guard against all the fake stories out there.
3. No insulting other posters or picking fights, refusing to let things go and move on. Stop with the snotty comments--they will be rejected. Treat people here like how you would talk to the person you most respect in your life, it's just pleasant that way.
4. No trash talking other blogs/bloggers here.