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Sunday, September 23, 2012
Paparazzi photos from fall 2009 show how intrusive filming was
The newly released disturbing photos were taken during filming of the final episode of Jon and Kate Plus 8.
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Kate's plan to have Robert's book stopped obviously failed and that letter her attorney's sent that Robert just made public is the final nail in her coffin. Kate no longer has the option to do the morning circuit crying "victim...it's all lies" because the letter clearly states that IF there are any lies yadayadayada then they can sue him and obviosly Robert just backed up that he can prove everything because he is now able to release it. What leg does she have to stand on? If she says it's all lies during an interview, the interviewer can just say "but didn't u take him to court and he proved everything?".
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ITA! Had she just remained quiet and let him publish, she could claim the book was nothing but lies and sour grapes by former insiders. Her power play to try and shut it down and just confirmed it's accuracy. Thanks, Kate!! Even us "haters" may have had some doubts reading an unauthorized account. Thankfully you've just made sure everything we're going to be reading is truthful and proveable! You did Hoffman a huge favor in gaining his book 100% credibility.
DMASY - not gonna RETWEET that post and that will make us NOT Miloish. Hehe. But thank you much. Have a great trip, and I hope you saved some of that new book for the plane ride! Have fun and good luck!
Eww, Kate has Poo(h) on her ankle...
How will the kids be affected?? Why don't you ask Kate that...she's the one who put the camera in their faces...She's supposed to protect them...Her kids would not be affected if it wasn't for her...you're a day late and a dollar short with that question...go ask the monster who put them out there in the first place...she is the sole cause of any affect on them..GIVE ME A BREAK
Admin, I see you and yours have been busy swiffering. thank you.
I think Mr. Hoffman has done his due diligence and has covered his bases. If Kate did sue it would only bring tons of attention to his book and many thousands more would read it wanting to know what was in it that made Kate file a lawsuit against him.
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Hoffman should send Kate's lawyers a big THANK YOU for validating that
Everything
in
the
book
is
true
Big misfire by Kate. Her petty actions have given Hoffman the response he needed to be taken 100% seriously and truthful with whatever info is in the book. His reputation as a researcher/journalist of a very high standard of proof has been recognized.
And as far as the kids go, they know their mother is mean and a liar. All kids know what their parents are, writing a book about doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
heather
KAT said... 5How will the kids be affected?? Why don't you ask Kate that...she's the one who put the camera in their faces...She's supposed to protect them...Her kids would not be affected if it wasn't for her...you're a day late and a dollar short with that question...go ask the monster who put them out there in the first place...she is the sole cause of any affect on them..GIVE ME A BREAK
Ditto.
Doing my part to keep the off topic discussion going, after all I stay up late just to think up ways to confuse drive bys!
Atlantic sturgeons are spawning in the James River in Richmond VA! This is fabulous news for river lovers and prehistoric fish lovers! You can read about in online, google Atlantic sturgeon James river to find articles.
JoyinVirginia said... 9
Doing my part to keep the off topic discussion going, after all I stay up late just to think up ways to confuse drive bys!
Atlantic sturgeons are spawning in the James River in Richmond VA! This is fabulous news for river lovers and prehistoric fish lovers! You can read about in online, google Atlantic sturgeon James river to find articles.
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And in other confusing, attention seeking news, there is supposed to be a bacon shortage next year so the Chinese government is stock piling it.
Berks Neighbor said... 195
And seriously who ends a letter "You act at your own peril"?
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I've been a legal assistant for 25 years and never seen a lawyer use language like that. It looks like Kate wanted final edit control of her lawyer's letter and added that line herself. Sounds like a line movie villain would say as he lets out a menacing laugh and twists the end of his mustache.
With the timing of this book, the sheeple can't cry "he's costing Kate jobs, taking money out of the mouths of her kids". Kate's had over 365 days to find a job in the entertainment industry or elsewhere and hasn't. If she doesn't work, it's not Hoffman's fault.
You know, that letter brought up a phrase I haven't heard in a while...
If you can't dazzle them with details, baffle them with bullshit.
I agree, the letter seems unprofessional ( i have no legal background; I am reading it just as is) What will happen today??? I wanna read this book!
I am laughing at the letter's reference to a publicist. Didn't Kate recently tweet that she didn't have one nor had ever had one?
Just read the G Book update. Wow!, Just wow!
Ok, so did Kate's attorneys have any LEGAL RIGHT TO DEMAND the manuscript.?. If it had been me, I would have said NO.
"We demand that you privately provide to us whatever information you intend to publish and disseminate, well in advance of any public dissemination, so that our client will have the opportunity to see whether the intended book or publication violates, invades or misappropriates any of her rights."
WE DEMAND that Kate gets to see Book first and decide if Said Book Knows How To Help Her.
I am suprised that the letter didnt say "You act at your own peril, upon penalty of severeness."
The letter reads like something Kate and Steve conspired to write.
Dwindle 17 said
I am suprised that the letter didnt say "You act at your own peril, upon penalty of severeness."
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lololololoolololololol
Ma'am, you owe me a new laptop!
Dwindle, say it isn't so! A BACON shortage! Oh NOES! Whatever shall we do?
Quick, eat more bacon!
And on another tangent, the Think Geek catalog had lots of fun bacon things. Bacon scented soap, bacon design bandaids (I bought those!), bacon plush, bacon design shower curtain, bacon t shirts, lots of fun stuff! Www.thinkgeek.com
"Under penalty of severeness..." (Good one, Dwindle.)
That IS exactly the entire tone of that letter.
Sounds as if it was written by someone pretending to be a high octane attorney.
After reading the RH Book post, my conclusion is Kate definitely has something to hide. What is she afraid of?
Yes, that letter did sound odd, but my only experience in legalese is a divorce :)
Seems to me RH has been on the west coast for the last several updates, just based on the fact that he's updating in the wee hours EST.
Really superficial and slightly unkind --
(I have a very pretty pedicure right now, thank you. Primping for my trip.)
So, I noticed Kate's toes in the "Star" photo. Nasty polish chipping.
She is on a trip to California, doing photo ops. Why wouldn't she take more pride in her appearance? Or at least, wear shoes that hide her lack of grooming.
Interesting that this all seems to be coming down on Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of atonement :)
The legal letter sounds pompous, designed to scare. I'm so glad RH kept pushing, this must have been costly, tedious, and maybe even frightening.
There's still a part of me that thinks Kate has Teflon skin and that somehow, even though this news might sink another celeb, she'll find a way around it.
Michelle said... 11
Berks Neighbor said... 195
And seriously who ends a letter "You act at your own peril"?
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I've been a legal assistant for 25 years and never seen a lawyer use language like that. It looks like Kate wanted final edit control of her lawyer's letter and added that line herself. Sounds like a line movie villain would say as he lets out a menacing laugh and twists the end of his mustache.
With the timing of this book, the sheeple can't cry "he's costing Kate jobs, taking money out of the mouths of her kids". Kate's had over 365 days to find a job in the entertainment industry or elsewhere and hasn't. If she doesn't work, it's not Hoffman's fault.
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Way behind in reading everything, but do have to agree the "You act at your own peril" has Kate written all over it. All it needs is some exclamation points!!!!!!!! (8 count 'em 8,of course).
I am sure there are many many people who have witnessed Kate's bad behavior over the years. And who have signed "Confidentiality" agreements, but at some point, if everyone who has dealt with her over the years decided to ignore the Confidentiality Agreements, because they had concerns for the kids' well-being,would that mean that Kate would/could go after each and every person who she felt violated that agreement. Could get very very expensive for her. And if they were acting in the best interest of the kids, would their duty to report override the Confidentiality Agreement? Just some questions running through my head. Sorry if this has been asked and answered.
Isn't Wed the day that the gossip mags come out at the stores? Star doesn't have an online presence do they? Usually they just put up a blurb and say in stores now?
Did anyone see the photo Kate tweeted of the kids in her bedroom and the wine bottle in the background? And the dead bolt on the door? Very telling...
How will the kids be affected by this book?
We won't know till they are old enough to speak for themselves.
But if you ask this you also need to ask this. How will the kids be affected by?
1. Having their whole lives exposed to TV going to affect them?
2. How is having their bodies-(Potty time bath time) exposed to tv going to affect them?
3.How is their parent bitter divorce exposed on T going to affect them?
4. How having their mother disrespecting their father every chance she got. How is that going to affect them.
5. Also Jon saying he despises their mother going to affect them?
6.Seeing there father with different woman.
7.Seeing there mother get wasted.
8. Seeing there mother get her foot licked on Tv.
9. The kids not having their relatives.
This book is just going to add to the list of what.
The kids will have to deal with cause their parents wanted some fame.
OT--thanks for the kitty advice. I'll let the kitten lead the way and see where we go.
Aggiemom,
Is is Kraft? Wild guess
I agree with many on here, the letter appeared very amateurish.
I'm no legal eagle, but isn't libel harder to go after when one is a public figure? Seems like Kate is on pins and needles about this book. Why would she care when Al Welentis (sp?) wrote a book years ago. It's not her first ride at the rodeo, so to speak.
Someone up thread mentioned that letter sounded like something she and Skeevo created. I couldn't agree more.
Wait....Kate, Steve, Steve, Kate. Maybe Robert Hoffman is going to expose what many have suspected for years, that Kate and Steve are involved in an unprofessional capacity?
Steve Neils is now Honey Boo Boo's bodyguard!
http://rumorfix.com/2012/09/exclusive-honey-boo-boo-needs-247-security/
TLC stinks said... 16
Ok, so did Kate's attorneys have any LEGAL RIGHT TO DEMAND the manuscript.?. If it had been me, I would have said NO.
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Great question. Our girl Kate is one DEMANDING piece of work for sure. Can Hoffman legally answer,"I demand that you stop demanding." ??
Good catch about the times Robert is posting.
Dwindle said... 31
Gosselin8ComeFirst said... 27
...would that mean that Kate would/could go after each and every person who she felt violated that agreement. Could get very very expensive for her. And if they were acting in the best interest of the kids, would their duty to report override the Confidentiality Agreement? ...
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Good point. Is there safety in numbers? If she starts suing, and (for example only) say 45 people have 'broken' CAs, does she sue them all seperatly? And none of that proves they lied anyway. So 45 times she goes to court, a judge rules that Yeah, The Person told the truth, but are accountable for breaking the CA. Does Kate really want that kind of ruling all those times? Well, wait, it's Katie Irene. Never mind. She would consider it her New Career.
No happy, happy , joy, joy tweets this a.m., Kate?
Just wanted to pop in and say that I am following the continuing saga on my iPhone (not pink) while I am at work. Which is allowed BTW.
I woke up this am and couldn't wait to see what Robert had posted - if I was evil khate I would be shaking in my stilettos right about now!
Whoever thought Harvey Levin might be involved, is an interesting theory.
I am happy that so many of our suspicions are being confirmed. Maybe now the kids can get some counseling.
Okay back to poop patrol (doggie daycare is so glamorous!).
Everyone keep on keeping on!
SG you just beat me to it! Bah hahhaha
Omg. SG!
I caught ten minutes of Honey Boo Boo- that was enough. She was unappealing, crude, rude, burping, farting, sulky sore loser, bent her crown as it wasn't 1st place, bosses the adult around...Steve will get a run for his money. Will her mom entice him lol? Will he join the family shenanigans- toilet paper fights?
I don't get the concern for the kids about the damage the book will do to them either. Kate, TLC, and to a lesser extent Jon, have done more damage to those kids than this book ever will.
Is there really concern that the kids are going to get their hands on a copy of this book and read it? I don't see that happening. Where would 8 year olds get a copy?
SG-the article names Leonard Lucas as the new bodyguard, not Steve. Leonard Lucas is the black man that used to "guard" Kate. Here is a clip of him and Kate:
http://x17video.com/celebrity_video/kate_gosselin/an_angry_kate_gosselin_at_park.php
But the article does say that Honey Boo Boo's family has TWO bodyguards--Hmmm.....
SG said... 34
Steve Neils is now Honey Boo Boo's bodyguard!
http://rumorfix.com/2012/09/exclusive-honey-boo-boo-needs-247-security/
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"The Discovery network is pulling out all the stops to protect their pageant queen. They have hired someone with plenty of experience in the area of reality TV shows – safe keeper Leonard Lucas, RumorFix has learned exclusively.
He was the bodyguard for former TLC star Kate Gosselin from Jon and Kate Plus 8 and now he is the man in charge of protecting the free-spirited family from McIntyre, Georgia"
I dont know who this Lucas guy is. One of Kate's crack 'security team'?
SG said... 34
Steve Neils is now Honey Boo Boo's bodyguard!
http://rumorfix.com/2012/09/exclusive-honey-boo-boo-needs-247-security/
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Get out!!! That's hysterical!!
Sad, though, to see another child exploited.
Sorry I read this one and they didn't name the bodyguard. Just referenced rumorfix and I just skimmed that one. It's not Steve Neild.
http://www.wetpaint.com/network/articles/kate-gosselins-former-bodyguard-is-now-protecting-honey-boo-boo
SG said... 34
Steve Neils is now Honey Boo Boo's bodyguard!
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The fun just never ends : )Makes sense as Kate has recently had to travel all by her lonesome.
Locals -- do you hear the screaming yet?
Good thing she got her extensions removed...she would be pulling them out by the roots now!
From diva Kate to farting June...wow. What if he likes June better?
KAT said... 5
How will the kids be affected?? Why don't you ask Kate that...she's the one who put the camera in their faces...She's supposed to protect them...Her kids would not be affected if it wasn't for her...you're a day late and a dollar short with that question...go ask the monster who put them out there in the first place...she is the sole cause of any affect on them..GIVE ME A BREAK
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Exactly. Kate has never considered her kids' rights to privacy. The blame rests squarely on Kate's shoulders as their mother and "guardian".
No pity party for Kate.
butterfly 32 said
Aggiemom,
Is is Kraft? Wild guess
nope,lol.
hmmm...accidently deleted that post(haven't had enough @caffeine this @wednesday!). Well known bacon name makes same bacon under all sorts of lesser known labels..ID the big one, I'll share some info! same bacon, same plant, same quality..
Whhaaa??? no tweet from Kate today? wonder if she needs to grift a @bloodpressurecuff? PA residents, prepare for a nuclear blast of epic proportions....
TLC stinks said... 38
No happy, happy , joy, joy tweets this a.m., Kate?
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Probably more like
@ Steveeeeeee, lead me!!!!!!!!
@ Joooooonnnn!! Save me!!!!!!!!
@ Officer Jim!! Help!! I cant find my way out of this paper bag!!!!!!!
@ Milo!!! Hold me!!!!!!
Kate's only tweets this morning were retweets:
"Sometimes we just have to accept what’s gone, appreciate what still remains, and look forward to what’s coming next."
"Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out."
"Turn your stumbling blocks into stepping stones."
Wouldn't be surprised that Kate is also checking GB posts everyday.
SG said... 34
Steve Neils is now Honey Boo Boo's bodyguard!
http://rumorfix.com/2012/09/exclusive-honey-boo-boo-needs-247-security/
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OMG this is all some.
Guess we won't be seeing Steve @ Kate's marathons anymore.
Unless she paying him or their in a relationship.
Sniff sniff cry.
I guess everyone does leave Kate at some point. I wonder how much is Steve getting paid?
Hey KATE!! Oh Yooohooo Ms Pediatric Cancer supporter!! Why has the entire month of September gone by without a word from you noting September as National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month?
Been too BUSY BUSY BUSY promoting @BellaBars and @ToiletPaper and @DuctTape?
And :-( just heard on Today show that Andy Williams has died.
Was reading Preesi. They requote my questioning her LLC'S addresses at the UPS Store. They say the LLC'S contact is an attorney...wait for it...in Rockville, MD... Steve and TLC's backyard. So apparently she can't use a local PA attorney? What's up, Katie?
I know people are concerned that this book may negatively affect the kids. But, after reading the excerpts from Kate's OWN book, I think if any book would have a negative effect it would be that one. I think how she describes her children and how she showed her neglect in protecting them in HER book, would be more damaging, especially since it's written by their own mother.
Milo, HOLD ME!
Shut the front door! You guys ate funny today.
My favourite bacon is from the butcher. I can't remember any American brands, Oscar Meyer?
AGGIEMOM, sugardale? that's our fav.
AMD said... 49
KAT said... 5
How will the kids be affected?? Why don't you ask Kate that...she's the one who put the camera in their faces...She's supposed to protect them...Her kids would not be affected if it wasn't for her...you're a day late and a dollar short with that question...go ask the monster who put them out there in the first place...she is the sole cause of any affect on them..GIVE ME A BREAK
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Exactly. Kate has never considered her kids' rights to privacy. The blame rests squarely on Kate's shoulders as their mother and "guardian".
No pity party for Kate.
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I totally agree (just being agreeable). In my mind, it was never about hating Kate, but rather concern that the kids who were pawns in Kate's quest for fame, at the expense of her husband, kids, family and friends. The kids got robbed of a normal childhood, as they had no choice to film or not film, in spite of Kate's proclamations that the family would stop filming once ANYONE wanted to stop filming. This was clearly never the case. In spite of divorce, expulsions, kids clearly not wanting to film. She needs to own this once and for all.
Kraft
Oscar Meyer?
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nope.
:)
I dont think this book will affect the kids. What I think affects the kids is an uber-controlling parent. I think their mother and her parental style is the biggest factor here, even more than TLC cameras (I know- I am in the minority for that opinion). My two cents.
Berks Neighbor said... 195
And seriously who ends a letter "You act at your own peril"?
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I've been a legal assistant for 25 years and never seen a lawyer use language like that.
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Michelle I've been in it a lot less than you but I've never seen such a thing either.
By the way, Marty Singer has been chastised by judges before for his tactics. One judge said his letter was EXTORTION. Judges rarely go after lawyers, most of them just respect that you have to do what you have to do, so that's a pretty big deal.
"Singer’s letter closely tracked the same points that the Supreme Court in Flatly held stepped over the line. Like the demand letter in Flatly, the Singer letter threatened exposure of sexual conduct (to the point of including a photo) and made reference to taxing authorities (thereby implying that if the defendant does not pay he will be turned over to the IRS). On that basis, the court ruled that “the activities giving rise to the claims in the Complaint are illegal as a matter of law as extortion, and as allegations of illegal wiretapping . . . .”
http://californiaslapplaw.com/tag/martin-singer/
Rumor fix says it's some guy named Leonard Lewis. The only other bodyguard we ever saw her with was a big African American and she wasn't with him often.
The next post should be Kate lost Steve to Honey boo-boo.
I'll leave that one up to you administrator.-)
Oh, I saw the latest commercials for Breaking Amish...I am dismayed to say the least. WTH is TLC going for? Jersey Shore? I find the entire thing crude. I think it somewhat insulting to the Amish, too. Very disappointed- this show belongs on MTV, not TLC.
sugardale?
uh.....nope.
I have to run some errands today, am going to do a little bacon sleuthing today...perhaps sugardale is a lesser player in the bacon wars...I know kraft and oscarmeyer are big boys in their own right...
Seems like a few yrs ago Jif peanut butter had a massive recall. One person I know only buys name brand..I buy a grocerystore brand, she said it was inferior. When the recall came out, her brand was outed as making MY storebrand peanut butter. same peanut butter, different label, cheaper price.
I wonder what Kate's doing today??? I need to be careful not to gloat in this situation, that's not a good thing to do. I can be happy that she might be outed and as a result can't take advantage of some of her fans. That's just wrong.
Where did you read Steve was HBBC's new bodyguard? It's Leonard Lucas, also a former J & K bodyguard.
It really does sound like a letter Ms Kreider approved. Silly girl! Don't you know challenging a publication out person just gives them more publicity and attention? If Ms Kreider had ignored RH, the book would have shown up then disappeared quickly like Al and Pollys books.
On to Dancin With Them Thar Stars! I an sorry to see Pam go. I really like Tristan, hope he will be back to dance with other pros.
Silimom said... 68
http://rumorfix.com/2012/09/exclusive-honey-boo-boo-needs-247-security/
Sorry guys! I posted a correction. I guess no one saw it. Lol. It's NOT Steve Neild. The first article I read didn't name the bodyguard. I thought it was Steve. Sorry.
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in Gosselinland - mighty Katie has struck out.
(With apologies to Ernest Lawrence Thayer-author of "Casey at the Bat")
aggiemom,
So many store brands are the EXACT SAME product as name brand, just a different label, and people don't know, LOL. It pays to stay informed, a little reading goes a long way in the pocketbook :)
I think there are a lot of people who did not sign CA's. Especially from the early years. The first show was in 05? And another in 06? when the serious started? But they didn't incorporate until 07? That tells me they didn't know what they were doing until 2 yrs after they started filming. My guess is that when things picked up and started getting popular they (Kate) realized that they needed to be protected and then they started with CA's.
That still leaves the people at the hospital, the volunteers from the first year, the nurse, and probably some of the early people from the show.
How he is getting this information I don't know, but I have to assume (especially the tax return and the email) that some came from Jon. He would not have a CA, obviously, and if he gives some of his own documentation to someone to publize, well, it's his own property.
Most telling is Kate's twitter silence about all this. Anytime a Radar articule comes out or whatever she comments. Not this time. That's a big tell.
Interesting Article on the health of Leonard Lucas (Kate's former bodyguard)
Be Still My Heart: Catheter Ablation Corrects Persistant A-Fib
Spring 2010
At 6 feet 3 inches tall and 245 pounds, professional bodyguard Leonard Lucas is not easily intimidated. He protects celebrities, sometimes in arenas where there are hundreds of overzealous fans. He knows how to keep things calm. At least he did, until one day in October 2009, when he experienced something he could not control.
Lucas was watching television at his home in Bowie, Md., when his heartbeat accelerated. “I felt like I was running a race sitting down,” he says. Two hours later his heart was still racing. Lucas went to the hospital and was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation (A-fib), a potentially dangerous condition affecting more than 2 million Americans. (continue reading)
AMD said... 49
KAT said... 5
How will the kids be affected?? Why don't you ask Kate that...she's the one who put the camera in their faces...She's supposed to protect them...Her kids would not be affected if it wasn't for her...you're a day late and a dollar short with that question...go ask the monster who put them out there in the first place...she is the sole cause of any affect on them..GIVE ME A BREAK
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Exactly. Kate has never considered her kids' rights to privacy. The blame rests squarely on Kate's shoulders as their mother and "guardian".
No pity party for Kate.
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No pity from me as well.
P.S. Robert has a new post up at Gosselin Book: "Watch for a falling Star today in New York and LA."
I cannot wait!
I cannot for the life of me think what could be so damaging that the carrier would go to these lengths to 'try' to prevent publication. Back in June or July there was a Hoffman post about something like "I know what you did"....
All the things we've speculated about here on the blog (an affair with boobyguard, financial shenanigans, drinking, drunk twitting, child abuse, gay, abortion...) these are all things we know about or have speculated about. So nothing new....
WHAT is it that could be making her crazy to prevent this? Something in her nursing past? Geez, I just don't know what could be making her so pissed off.
Maybe she just doesn't like it when folks don't do what she says??? Hmmm, could that be it? she's not in control and that just blows her mind? Someone else thought this and I tend to agree. She can be really ugly when she doesn't get her way.
Her reaction seems all out of proportion to the upcoming publication. But then again, she does act the drama queen, yes?
and as for the book hurting the kids, it won't hurt like her mean 'mothering' and exploitation has. Hope Jon gets the kids and she has to have supervised visitation. Then she can fly out to Hollywood and be a stah.
TLC stinks said... 38
No happy, happy , joy, joy tweets this a.m., Kate?
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She's curled up in fetal position in the corner of her kitchen.
Poor Paige. Is that envelope ever going to get opened?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 63
Berks Neighbor said... 195
And seriously who ends a letter "You act at your own peril"?
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I've been a legal assistant for 25 years and never seen a lawyer use language like that.
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Michelle I've been in it a lot less than you but I've never seen such a thing either.
By the way, Marty Singer has been chastised by judges before for his tactics. One judge said his letter was EXTORTION. Judges rarely go after lawyers, most of them just respect that you have to do what you have to do, so that's a pretty big deal.
"Singer’s letter closely tracked the same points that the Supreme Court in Flatly held stepped over the line. Like the demand letter in Flatly, the Singer letter threatened exposure of sexual conduct (to the point of including a photo) and made reference to taxing authorities (thereby implying that if the defendant does not pay he will be turned over to the IRS). On that basis, the court ruled that “the activities giving rise to the claims in the Complaint are illegal as a matter of law as extortion, and as allegations of illegal wiretapping . . . .”
http://californiaslapplaw.com/tag/martin-singer/
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Birds of a feather, flock together...
Kate and Marty Singer are kindred spirits- they are both bullies.
I just dug back through my emails to see if I still had my cease and desist letter and I do!
I wanted to show you how polite and professional it was compared to Marty's.
Here is some of what it said:
Dear Sir or Madam:
We represent Discovery Communications, LLC (“Discovery”) in matters pertaining to intellectual
property. Your site, located at http://www.realitytvkids.com, was recently brought to our attention. [I've always suspected a "sheeple" reported us, haha]
Discovery is an international leader in providing nationally and internationally famous educational and
entertainment television, including its renowned TLC television network. One of the featured programs
on TLC is the popular “Jon & Kate Plus 8” television series (the “Television Series”). Discovery owns all
intellectual property rights associated with the Television Series and widely advertises and promotes the
Television Series. While Discovery understands that your site may not be intended to harm Discovery in any way .....We hope you understand Discovery’s duty to protect its valuable intellectual property. Thank you in advance for your cooperation, and we ask you to please confirm to us in writing by August 16, 2010 that you have understood.
Sincerely,
Matthew R. Mills
See? Nice.
The only thing I thought they did that was way out of line is they addressed me by a "real name", a name some sheeple are convinced belongs to me. They had some nerve to do that. I wrote him back about that and said I felt that was incredibly inappropriate and an attempt to bully, given that no real names are connected in any way with this site, not even when you contact Google for contact information for this blog. No response to that but he did respond basically saying that we disagree. Well, duh hehe. I wrote another letter saying if I don't hear from him again I will assume the matter was dropped. No response. LOL.
Just read "the" letter. I notice it is not dated. It appears very heavy handed ("You act at your own peril. Govern yourself accordingly"). Could it be this was the first round of ammunition to scare Mr. Hoffman and tie him up with huge legal bills to defend his book? In any case the legal threats didn't work. I hope Mr. Hoffman can put this experience behind him now and can look forward to the publication of his book.
I can't help but wonder what this has cost K8 (or the children) in terms of the expense she will face in terms of legal bills from this bulldog Hollywood attorney.
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WOW! You go away for a few days and all hell breaks loose! I am just catching up on all the Gosselin Book stuff. I read the cease and desist letter, and the following paragraph stands out:
"This will constitute notice, pursuant to the legal precedents enumerated below, to you that if you write, publish, exhibit, or otherwise exploit a manuscript and/or Proposed Book which is purportedly about Ms. Gosselin which is, in whole or in part, false and defamatory of Ms. Gosselin, or which depicts her in a false light in violation of her right of privacy, or which constitutes publication of private facts in violation of her right of privacy, or constitutes a false endorsement or false designation of origin, Ms. Gosselin will hold you fully accountable and liable for any damages which she suffers, either in the form of damage to her reputation or by the infliction of emotional distress upon her."
All of that blow-hard verbosity simply means that if you print anything false, we will sue you. I like how they have to qualify false and defamatory. If it is defamatory but true, Kate is plum out of luck. That C&D is nothing more than an attempt to intimidate and is meaningless if Hoffman is writing truths.
SG said... 71
Sorry guys! I posted a correction. I guess no one saw it. Lol. It's NOT Steve Neild. The first article I read didn't name the bodyguard. I thought it was Steve. Sorry
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You're forgiven. Of course I can only speak for MYSELF. *I* appreciate your correction. :-)
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KAT said... 5How will the kids be affected?? Why don't you ask Kate that...she's the one who put the camera in their faces...She's supposed to protect them...Her kids would not be affected if it wasn't for her...you're a day late and a dollar short with that question...go ask the monster who put them out there in the first place...she is the sole cause of any affect on them..GIVE ME A BREAK
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Exactly!
Did you hear that?
Me too!
It's the sound of Mr. Hoffman pulling the trigger.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/09/kate-gosselin-discipline-babies-wooden-spoons-claims-reporter-robert-hoffman
Radar On Line has new article up quoting Hoffman's book. Says Kate used to beat her kids for small indiscretions and worried that she might actually do harm to one of them one day. Says he got this info from an online journal that Kate kept. So it has begun. Kate has just got to be craping in her pants right about now.
WOW. So the big secret is he has Kate's OWN WORDS detailing child abuse. OMG. What an idiot to write that down in a diary.
Well, the first amendment is going to protect that one backward and forward. Sorry Kate, outta luck.
Of course Kate hired big guns to try to not let that one out. TYPICAL.
You know I don't feel gleeful. I feel like this woman just needs to be locked up. Those poor kids.
It has to be said I've heard for years she is cruel and abusive to these kids but that any attempts to involve CPS had been unsuccessful.
Okay, okay, I just read the letter Robert received from Kate's attorneys, and I can't stop giggling!
...damages to her reputation?!? Her rep is pretty darn crummy and she has no one to blame but herself for that one!
...undue emotional distress?!? Well, Kate, stop being such a bitch to everyone and then you won't have to worry about a book being published about your nastiness!
Want to improve your reputation and rid yourself of undue emotional distress, Kate? Start being nicer to people and treat them with respect and courtesy, beginning with your own children. Start bonding with your children (so you don't have undue emotional stress 20 years down the road because of what they might write about you!).
Get a job, volunteer to help others in a food pantry, etc. Do SOMETHING productive with the live you have, for your children and for others. For crying out loud, give back to the community for all you were given and blessed with when the tups arrived! Then you may start to see a change in your reputation and with that, relieve some of the stress that your own actions have caused yourself. (If people think bad about you, you are to blame and I suppose it is very stressful trying to keep that secret and stop others from exercising their freedom of speech so the nasty truth about you isn't exposed!)
Ok guys this has been fun, but I have stuff I really have to go do. You all have my Agreeance Power of Attorney if need be, so feel free to SPEAK FOR ME in such matters.
(I just KNOW that I am going to come back in a few hours and all heck will have broken loose and I will be playing catch up again!)
My mouth is on the floor. It's worse than even I ever, ever thought.
The situation in that household and that marriage must have been beyond livable for Jon to have left the kids with an abuser.
Who can not even leave the house without a spoon to hit the kids with.
Where is that picture of the spoon tucked into the door of the SUV?
I never wanted to believe that Kate did not bond with the tups, but I'm afraid that may well be the case. How can you beat your own child if you truly have a mother's love for them?
And, who the f writes about beating their kids? And if you know you are out of control and might actually physically harm your own child, you should seek professional help.
Is it any wonder we've seen the kids physically act out?
Isn't it sweet how concerned the attorney is over Kate's right to privacy? Too bad Kate has no such concern for her children's right to privacy.
Holy shit!
Check out the ROL article.
Chilling..........
Kate is a twit said... 57
I know people are concerned that this book may negatively affect the kids. But, after reading the excerpts from Kate's OWN book, I think if any book would have a negative effect it would be that one. I think how she describes her children and how she showed her neglect in protecting them in HER book, would be more damaging, especially since it's written by their own mother.
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Twit, I think you make an excellent point. Hoffman's book is about Kate's bad behavior; Kate's book is about disclosing her children's behavior and yapping about what she thinks of it and how she feels about them. That is potentially far more damaging. The kids have surely never had, nor will they ever have, that feeling of security that comes from knowing that your mom will always protect and comfort you. I can't imagine how any child could cope with that. It is so sad.
Now that what we always suspected is true, I don't feel at all glad. Just so very sad that these kids were dealt such a disgusting, brutally cruel mother. And I'm sure Jon did what he could and it's good to know he has them 50% of the time, hopefully more.
So...will she play this as 'yes, I was wrong and I got help and now I'm ok' and become a spokesperson urging parents who beat their kids to get help? She's gonna find a way to spin this.
And where was Jon during these beatings? Didn't any of the kids tell him about them? He stated fairly recently that Kate is a good mother..yeah, right.
The ROL article states:
"reporter Robert Hoffman, who claims he found secret journals that Kate used to help her write her books, Multiple Bles8ings and EightLittle Faces"
Of course, the sheeple are going to ask how he got those journals, and then blame Jon as usual.
However, this leads me to believe that Beth is one of his major sources. Beth, at one time, was her friend-someone she trusted. Would she have asked Beth to sign a CA, and would Beth actually sign one.
This could also explain Beth's sudden departure.
So........
Now we know... child abuse, documented in her own words and Jon was aware of it.
I don't have the words to comment on this right now.
Sick.
Here we go! Article on ROL don't have time to link from phone.Wooden spoon, secret journals, boozy nights, former nanny. Article in Star magazine
Robert Hoffman has what she has written in her own journal. It would be impossible for her to defend "her own words".
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Wow. I myself have often speculated that she has a rage disorder, and I know many here have agreed with that. And in her 'book', didnt she say that Collin 'has been the most defiant of my authority'?
Now I really gotta go. Later~~~
My disgust for Jon is now complete. He left them behind knowing she was so abusive she herself was afraid she might go too far.
If this information is available in writing why could it not be used by CPS?
BEAT THEM???????? God help them!!!
Makes you think--who was it that actually trashed the bedroom?
I don't give Jon a pass on this. He was an enabler--he should've done something.
That's so terrible- the poor kids!And Collin- violence begets violence-. My heart breaks for them all. I'm not surprised but it makes me ill what the children suffered- maybe still do? How did Hoffman say he found the journals/ The computer break-in?
We all knew about the red spoon, but this sounds horrible- whipped severely? Pulled by the hair/ All for minor incidents. omg.
Well, Robert's answered one question I've always had and that is why those kids were so quick to find the time out spot. If they didn't go there immediately they might have been beaten.
I hada gut feeling very early on the series that they were being mistreated. From the show where she was upstairs cooking and babes were in the basement behind the gate, it was WTF... I am so glad someone is speaking out on their behalf. Reading it just left me feeling so angry at all those who knew and said nothing and a shakey kind of sad for the kids.
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Wow. I myself have often speculated that she has a rage disorder, and I know many here have agreed with that.
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Her eyes flash black in an instant.
Watch the plastic surgeon's office visit again. When he tells her she does not need a boob job and would not do it, watch Kate's face very closely.
She was very angry and could just barely contain it.
Screw any CA- I would be calling CPS immediately. The life of 8 kids could be on the line. Leah's mysterious cut? Yeah. i agree Jon should have pursued this.
Is there any way she can get charged for this- or was it all supposedly in the past?
Two thoughts...
1. If Jon knew all this, and it seems he did, how could he leave the kids there in her care without protection?
2. Maybe purseboy was actually there to protect the kids FROM HER. Maybe it was some kind of condition that he supervised the raising of the kids to prevent further abuse? Could TLC have seen her behavior and put him in place to keep the kids safe?
Lordy, what conspiracy theories this brings up....
Very disturbing. Not shocked, but disturbed that this farce has gone on for so long.
I hope she is charged "X8".
Before blaming everyone else around Kate, keep in mind, you're allowed to spank your child in all 50 states. Cases like this are routinely dismissed. CPS could have been involved and evaluated it out. Many could have called or talked to lawyers. Seriously, you are allowed to beat the crap out of your kids. There would have been nothing anyone could do legally.
Crappy parenting is allowed in all 50 states.
2. Maybe purseboy was actually there to protect the kids FROM HER. Maybe it was some kind of condition that he supervised the raising of the kids to prevent further abuse? Could TLC have seen her behavior and put him in place to keep the kids safe?
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Interesting! Yes. We've always thought he was sort of a handler, there to protect Kate from herself. Maybe that went much further than we ever suspected. He was there to be sure Kate didn't lose it on the kids and then it would get leaked to the press. TLC couldn't do a lollipops and rainbows show all too easily if Kate is on a 48 hour hold.
Also TLC had to have known. Wow, shame on them.
Gleeful? No. Just very sick at heart.
And to know that God knows how many people witnessed it and did NOTHING. And how many DID try to do something and got nowhere.
How horrible for Jon to KNOW that he was leaving his children with an abuser, and to KNOW that there was nothing he could do to protect them. That the best thing he could do for them was to leave and to try to get as much custody as he could.
It breaks my heart.
I think her behavior must have been apparent on the Palin trip. It would certainly explain the looks on the adult's faces.
I thought I was seeing judgement on the Palin adult faces. That strained, stiff look that says I HATE what you're doing, and I HATE that I can't do anything about it.
Their faces had silence written all over them. They knew that to confront Kate would only make it worse for the kids, so they held back.
Only Sarah was interacting with Kate; all the other adults were staying far away from Kate. (Lest they punch her?) It seemed that Sarah was only interacting with Kate because of Sarah's sense of hospitality. She couldn't be rude to a guest, even though she wanted to be. Just my opinion.
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I would much rather this would have been ANYTHING else. Hiding money from the kids and Jon. A nursing screw up. Fraud charges. Anything else.
But this....no, I didn't want this. It just makes me sick.
No wonder gosselinbook was saying I don't want to do this. Get help. PLEASE!
Here's "The Spanker" in the SUV.
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/18481
I didn't think my heart could ache any more for those children, but it is breaking for them right now.
How could anyone let this go on and not speak up?
what is this...boozy nights witnessed by her nanny....EVERBODYS TALKIN'......Oh Man!!!!
Well, this explains the kids wailing away when Jon returned them to the compound.
So what would You do if a friend/aquintance calls you on a Sunday afternoon with the request if you could come over and clean up their 6!tuplets bedroom, just because they dont want to be late in church. Why would a couple drop everything and rush over and clean up a giant mess they didnt have anything to do with. I would not even have the balls to call somebody to clean up my messes while I sit in church and sing Hallelujah!?!
I cant wait to read the Gosselin-Book! I really hope is the good and honest thruth and not a lot hearsay and speculations and "think-so's" and I seriously hope we find out who he really is and what his relationship is/was with the Gosselins.
CPS can bring up past charges but there has to be a current risk. This may be enough for CPS to go out again, assuming they've been out already, and assess current circumstances. If she's still mistreating them they could try to file a case but no case about spanking will go anywhere, sorry to say. Drinking? MAYBE, if she truly does have a problem AND if it's affecting the kids. You're allowed to lock yourself in your room and drink as long as you're not hurting your kids, legally speaking. You'd be surprised how much parents are allowed to do as long as kids are getting to school on time and not showing up with a bunch of marks and bruises. Even drug addicts can sometimes keep their kids as long as they are being good parents.
That said, I really don't believe these kids are even with her all that much anymore. It may be a moot point.
I'm not blaming everyone else around Kate - I'm blaming JON, who was the ONLY person who could have protected them. If he had evidence like this, he could have gotten custody of them, TLC attorneys or not.
Spanking usually doesn't involve an object that leaves damage, though. Are there no limits? At what point does it become abuse? Being pulled up by the hair is legal? By her own admission it was excessive. My heart just breaks for those kids :(
'Old' GWOP poster here...have been lurking here for quite awhile (and enjoying the commentary immensely), mostly because I felt that I'd already said everything I needed to say on the topic at hand. I came on here this AM to comment on Robert's post re: Steve's charges for the WDW trip - on one day alone, they dragged those kids to *three* WDW parks, from 8 AM to 9 PM!?! My family just got back from our first-ever trip to WDW (you know, because we paid for it ourselves...). I pre-purchased the 'park hopper' option, and didn't use it once over the seven days because a) my kids were always just thrilled to be in whatever park we were in at the time, and b) they were exhausted after just one park (us too!). The G8 must have been delirious by the end of the third park, but I guess the show must go on... Now of course I'm seeing the latest about Kate and her discipline method of choice - can't bring myself to comment on that without reading more, but I will say that the signs were there, of course - here's hoping that the karma bus is finally backing up over her.
I'm not blaming everyone else around Kate - I'm blaming JON, who was the ONLY person who could have protected them. If he had evidence like this, he could have gotten custody of them, TLC attorneys or not.
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Bubbles, unfortunately, that's not true. Parents who spank their kids get custody all the time. It is not a reason in and of itself to switch custody. If it were there would be a lot of people banging down the courthouse door trying to get custody.
I'll say it again, folks: SPANKING IS LEGAL. We need to change the laws if we've evolved enough finally to realize it's detrimental.
I guess we should be glad she had not-a-nannies for the kids.. they were the buffer.
We should be glad she spent time away from them.
AND I believe more strongly than ever that TLC knew exactly what kind of monster they were filming.
Oh my, I am so sad for the kids.
How in the world can she ever hold her head up in public again? I hope all the interviewers who threw her softball questions will be ashamed of themselves and refuse to allow her TV time for interviews.
All of "her team" had to have been complicit in hiding this. Her handlers, her publicist Julie, even Jon... have to wonder if her parents knew and kept quiet too.
Oh, this is just so, so sad.... those poor kids. Perhaps the book will be the best thing to happen to them if it gets them away from her.... they can recover, but she'll never change.
We don't know that Jon didn't try to report Kate's beatings. We just don't know.
I wonder if a threat of Jon's was the cause that Kate alluded to ("Jon's behavior prompted me to file!") for her fortuitously-timed divorce filing.
Spanking usually doesn't involve an object that leaves damage, though. Are there no limits? At what point does it become abuse?
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Significant, consistent marks and bruises are when it starts to cross the line and judges MIGHT get involved. If he was careful not to hit them so hard she was leaving marks and bruises, she would be in the clear.
Also, you're supposed to keep it to the buttocks. If she started beating them on the legs or back, which no one said she ever did, it's not spanking anymore.
Keep in mind a lot of judges around the country are in their 50's, 60's and 70's and spanking was much more commonplace when they were kids. It's hard to get them to consider such a thing abusive.
Admin is right - Corporal Punishment is legal in what, 36 states? Just look at the recent incident in Texas where a student was spanked by an Assistant Principal.
My guess is this is how Kate was disciplined and she "carried it on" to her own children. It's a vicious cycle and unless there has been some major physical damage there is little to nothing Jon could have done.
Tucker 121,
Yes it does!
here's hoping that the karma bus is finally backing up over her.
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bwaaaaaaaa! and welcome!
Regarding the lie detector test and who asked Robert to provide it. Assuming it was his publisher, I imagine the quesrions were:
Did Jon Gosselin participate, or provide ANY information for your book?
Did Steve Neild participate, or provide ANY information for this book?
Names added to this list would provide protection for these people, right? The publisher could at least have a list to protect them from the wrath of Kate and her lawyers.
Paula yes, but spanking in some form is legal in ALL 50 states. They all allow physical force, though they all define it differently.
Here is Pennsylvania's. As you can see, there is no way what she did even comes close to abuse as THEY define it. Any good lawyer would tell Jon they are sorry but don't waste their money. I think it's really unfair to blame anyone around Kate. There was NOTHING they could do. Maybe it's time for PA to update their laws. They've had a lot of problems with child abuse this past year, right?:
PENNSYLVANIA
Parents can use reasonable supervision and control when raising their children.23 Sec. 6302.[Ci.] Parent/guardian/person responsible for general care and supervision/ person acting at request of the above may use force for the purpose of safeguarding or promoting welfare of minor including the prevention or punishment of his misconduct, if the force is not designed to cause or known to create a substantial risk of causing death, serious bodily injury, disfigurement, extreme pain, mental distress, or gross degradation. 18 Sec. 509.[Cr.]
How sad, Andy Williams died.
The first song I learned as a child (before entering school) was "Moon River".
Such a beautiful singer, and human being.
You will be missed, Mr. Williams.
R.I.P.
Couple of things. Wish I had links but I have a. Know...job and I'm checking in at my own peril. I have been watching clips lately and I just watched one early one where she put someone in timeout and as she turned she had a wooden stick in her hand. Think she was holding the spoon by the spoon part. Someone tweeted a few tweets to K8 recently that sounded like RH but wasn't his twitter. One said Is it true that you were the one to hurt Madys arm? (I thought Cara was the one with the sore arm tho?...anyone remember? I remember she seemed reluctant to take her to the doc.
Hmmm...........
Admin, maybe you're on to something... maybe this new 50/50 custody is the result of knowing the book was coming out and it was a tool to get Jon more time with the kids, ergo, less time with abuser.
I'm beginning to sense a larger plan in play here. Maybe this has been in the works for a while and is part of a strategic plan to get the kids to a safe home.
Interesting point someone just made on twitter:
"This could be one of the reasons Jon quit working...to stay home and protect the kids."
There's a twitter/sheeple that has been tweeting Kate since Sept 7 a bunch of times wondering if Kate will send back the books that she sent for signing. It is now Sept 26 and they STILL haven't been sent back. This woman spent good money to buy the books, send the books to Kate and then pay postage for a return envelope and Kate can't even bother to send it back. Heck if it's a book from a fan, open it up at the UPS/mailbox store, sign it there, and hand it back to the clerk in the PP envelope.
This sheeple also wanted a pink bracelet. I wonder when she'll give up on her adulation of a child beater?
WHERE ARE YOU?? You slimey piece of garbage....I wonder if she left the country yet?
Sassy Lassy said... 136
How sad, Andy Williams died.
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I'm sad too. My mom loved him. I hope he gives her a big hug and kiss in heaven.
Is spanking with a spoon legal? Pulling them by the hair? What she herself described? I don't know,honestly. I never spanked my kids for two reasons- one, it's wrong, and two, you can get angry with your kids and may go too far.I would never want to be in that situation- hope I never would have- advised people to put kids in crib if feel angry or yourself in time-out if another adult around.
Now there is proof about the red spoon, The Spanker. I am guessing the nannies witnessed this behavior also. I know we are going off on Jon, but remember, HE was ABUSED TOO and he was an adult. It goes on, believe me. The abuser in the family controls everyone. You don't report it. I know a family where it came out that the husband beat his wife all the time but his teenage children never reported anything. It took the wife almost getting killed for her to seek help. That man is in jail for a very long time.
I love the fact that this info came from her own diaries in her computer. Didn't she accuse Jon of breaking into her computer and thus the lock on the bedroom door? I bet Jon made copies. Thank goodness.
So how many times did the bodyguard witness this behavior? Or was he really a bodyguard for the kids against Kate?
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This may also explain why Jen Stocks and the original TLC crew left.
In PA, you basically have to almost kill your kid before spanking becomes illegal. Good grief.
Even other states say well once you start causing bruising you've gone too far.
The outrage should be at the PA legislature for letting parents do this with no recourse.
localyocul said... 137
Cara said she twisted her ankle- I don't recall any arm complaint?
WOW. So the big secret is he has Kate's OWN WORDS detailing child abuse. OMG. What an idiot to write that down in a diary.
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My take on a some things:
It certainly brings into contrast the RH Queen of Hearts teaser. I commented yesterday about the kids being quite used to being punished. What a piece of work our Katie Irene is.
Where is Ms. "How will this affect the kids" today? Heart breaking and all that.... Seems to me that the kids will be better off when the dust settles.
Blaming Jon seems disingenuous. We don't know what he did to step in and remedy this situation, but I tend to think he did his share. Nobody is perfect and everybody can do better, but this guy had exceptional issues to deal with. Don't forget that Katie was physically abuse to him, as well.
I'm pretty sure this may affect the dating show, the cooking show, the coupon blogging, the travel show and the pap photos. Damn.
here's hoping that the karma bus is finally backing up over her.
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Is pulling them up by their hair legal? Because there was obviously way more to this than just spanking.
I've made no secret of my dislike for Jon and this is yet another reason why. Even if it WAS "just spanking" he still knew about it, knew it was excessive, knew she was scared she'd go too far, and still chose to leave the children behind.
I'd like to think it's possible Steve was around to protect the kids, but I don't believe it. He may have been partially protecting them by keeping her under control in public, but that was more about TLC protecting their profit than protecting the chidren. He's scum.
Interesting that he was able to bill for overtime on those filming days, yet the kids didn't even get paid for being filmed.
I apologize if I seem argumentative, I don't mean to come off that way. There are elements to this situation that cut me to the core, in all aspects - the lying, the greed, the divorce, the child abuse. I wish I could have forgotten all about this family but I just want so desperately for the children to get the love and care they deserve, and see the time slipping through the hourglass, knowing it's really too late to save them.
Look, you can spank your kid. Using an object is carrying it too far, IMO, but I guess unless you hurt the child bad enough you need to seek medical attention, nothing can be done. And really, if your baby is still in diapers it is ridiculous to do what she did.
The point here is that Kate has portrayed herself, and TLC portrayed her, as this wonderful mother who adores her kids and is very protective of them. LIES.
II don't know, I think that CPS allows spanking with an open palm on the bottom but I don't think they allow instruments especially if they bruise.
Kate is a twit said... 139
Interesting point someone just made on twitter:
"This could be one of the reasons Jon quit working...to stay home and protect the kids."
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Oh dear God.
I may have to take an anti-acid before reading Gosselin Book.
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Yes, the kids deserve to know the truth. Just maybe not at their present ages of 8 and 12. How about when THEY are ready or maybe when they reach the legal age of 18 or 21?
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It's a fair point, but by that age, no one really won't care.
I don't think anyone knows the answer to this. But when it's a case of exposing the truth versus shutting up so no one is hurt, I'm going to pick the truth every single time out of the gate.
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That is your right, but I sincerely hope you never again claim to give a crap about these children, since you have chosen "exposing the truth" over what is in their best interest.
Did all those websites pay mady or madys mom for the photo of her legs in shoes?
Sorry if this has been posted - haven't caught up.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/09/kate-gosselin-discipline-babies-wooden-spoons-claims-reporter-robert-hoffman
Yes, one of the twins did have an injured arm. It was on the episode of Kate playing board games with the little kids. The nanny had to take the kid to the dr, Kate had to do the show, can you believe it? Kate later had to go that evening to wherever the twin was, and when getting home, she tells the kid something like, we don't have time for this, or something like that. I believe Kate also said she had been complaining about her arm hurting for a day or two and Kate just blew it off.
Oh, KATE, why don't you tweet today? I DOUBLE DARE YOU.
The conspiracy of silence about what was going on and what did not make it on TV will destroy her.
Now if I did not know about Robert's book, I would probably disregard the Star article as more tabloid trash, so I hope some legitimate media pick up on this story and his book is a success.
Time for a new thread?
That is your right, but I sincerely hope you never again claim to give a crap about these children, since you have chosen "exposing the truth" over what is in their best interest.
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Anonymous, I am going to have to disagree with you at the very TOP of my lungs this time. Because now, we're talking about CHILD ABUSE. Now the game has changed.
It is NEVER, EVER not in a child's best interest to keep child abuse quiet for the protection of children. Good Lord. And I think anyone who thinks child abuse should be kept secret should be sent to JAIL. And in fact, there are laws that send people to jail for such things. Did you learn ANYTHING from Jerry Sandusky? Anything at all?
SHOCK that's the emotion that comes to mind.
My own father left me with an unstable parent and yet I still can't believe what I have read.
God help those kids and may he punish that horrible witch.
What a bucking bunt she truly is...
So sad.
A lot of states specify spanking has to be with an open hand. No objects. That's the law in California. The second you pick up an object it becomes abuse. Anything else with an open hand is fine.
Pennsylvania, sure enough, is NOT one of those states. It does NOT say that you can't use an object. You can. It basically says hey as long as you don't seriously injure or oops, kill your child, HAVE AT IT.
It is seriously time to go to your legislature if you call that place home.
LEGAL QUESTION: If the way someone obtains information is illegal, does it then become illegal to publish it? I'm trying to figure out how Hoffman got his info. I'm assuming it will be explained to some degree in the actual book. But if Jon isn't involved, how did Hoffman get the documents to back up these claims? Or get access to her computer? I guess the computer files could have come from Beth, and he's never said Beth wasn't involved.
But, if, for example, he obtained the computer info because he was in Jon & Kate's house and copied computer files onto a flash drive without their knowledge or permission, that's illegal, right? So is publishing it then illegal?
It looks like Hoffman has done everything necessary to protect himself legally, but this situation has raised these questions so I'm asking.
New post, move on over :)
I absolutely believe that what RH has on Kate is the truth and the whole truth.
I wish beyond words that I could say what I have seen in regards to the children and how they react to adults etc, but I don't want to step over the bounds and discuss the children.
I will say that each one has a distinct pecking order and the boys are on the bottom of it.
I can't comment on Jon of the past, but Jon of the recent future has done his best with his limitations (finances etc) to help those children. I would NOT trust Kate with the kids.
She locks them up in the Konpound all the time so that she can do her own thing. So much so that a trip to Toys R Us (as damage control on Kate's part - I believe) is an amazing BEST DAY EVER! ! ! ! ! ! THANK YOU MOMMY ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I've seen Jon give the kids a few bucks each to have at it at a snack counter, etc. It's not like they aren't used to doing things by themselves, its because KATE never does these things with them.
I'm so p*ssed beyond words right now that the judge looked at dollar signs and gave those kids to a child abusing narcissistic hag!
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 117
Yes, the kids deserve to know the truth. Just maybe not at their present ages of 8 and 12. How about when THEY are ready or maybe when they reach the legal age of 18 or 21?
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It's a fair point, but by that age, no one really won't care.
I don't think anyone knows the answer to this. But when it's a case of exposing the truth versus shutting up so no one is hurt, I'm going to pick the truth every single time out of the gate.
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That is your right, but I sincerely hope you never again claim to give a crap about these children, since you have chosen "exposing the truth" over what is in their best interest.
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As someone who was a formerly abused child, I can tell you that, for some children, this kind of exposure is exactly what they need in order to put their lives into perspective and move forward.
For many of us, the moment we realize that others understand that what our parents did was wrong is a revelation. Children assume that what their parents do is normal, and that they "deserve" the abuse. It's all they know.
For some of those kids, if not all, this documentation will be a validation, and key to building healthy future lives.
The moment I realized that others knew how crazy my mother was was life-changig for me. It had never crossed my mind that I wasn't the one who was nuts. At that point, I was able to begin to put my life together.
This situation isn't nearly as black and white as some are trying to make it. Truth is ALWAYS better than allowing falsehoods and misrepresentations to stand.
If Kate is the only one who writes the history of those children, it will all be lies, and the children will spend their entire lives trying to reconcile what they KNOW when on with the LIES Kate and TLC perpetuated. That's a terrible, soul-numbing way to exist.
Anon (155) I am not sure why you think the kids will be so affected by the "truth" coming out. The kids KNOW the "truth". The kids have been living the "truth" their whole lives.
If Kate has money or not, if Kate and Steve are involved, if Kate really spends her entire day baking 500 cookies. The kids already know. The "truth" coming out only really affects them in the "now everyone knows what our life is really like" kinda way.
The "truth" coming out might have a positive affect on them. Jon might feel freer and feel like he has more support to raise them. That could make him feel more confident and positive as a father. Someone close to Kate might start encouraging her to get help and start truly putting her children first. The teachers at school might feel more open to talk to other people/resources to support those kids. The kids might feel more open to talk to their teachers or counselers about how they really feel about things.
The "truth" coming out affects KATE. It could shatter the imagine that she has so carefully tried to maintain. It could ruin her "career" in tv (which really isn't a career). However, seeing as how she has tons of money, I think she'll live. It could hurt Steve and his reputation (what's left of it) as a bodyguard. Or his family if they really think nothing is going on (but I doubt it!).
Living a lie hurts way more than dealing with the truth, especially for eight children who are not and were not mature enough to have to deal with the consequences of mommy and daddy's lies.
Anonymous said... 155
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 117
Yes, the kids deserve to know the truth. Just maybe not at their present ages of 8 and 12. How about when THEY are ready or maybe when they reach the legal age of 18 or 21?
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It's a fair point, but by that age, no one really won't care.
I don't think anyone knows the answer to this. But when it's a case of exposing the truth versus shutting up so no one is hurt, I'm going to pick the truth every single time out of the gate.
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That is your right, but I sincerely hope you never again claim to give a crap about these children, since you have chosen "exposing the truth" over what is in their best interest
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Anonymous,
Your logic is baffling. So, if someone is murdering someone or molesting children, they shouldn't be turned in because by their crimes being reported it might hurt their children?
Unbelievable.
I'm not gloating even though I'm very glad the truth is coming out. Many of us have speculated upon what we weren't seeing.
This may be why Beth left too. This book will probably explain a lot of things.
And if ANY good can come out of it, it may be that Kate finally has to admit how sick she is and will force her to get the therapy she desperately needs.
This explains M***s change of behavior. Perhaps she started dressing, acting, 'performing' in order to appease her mother. The best way to avoid abuse is to do whatever her mother requested of her.
Think about the message Kate sent to Jon..."you can either do it my way or live miserably" because she was NOT going away.
OMG those poor little kids. I'm so heartbroken.
I remember she seemed reluctant to take her to the doc.
Big red flag there....
aggie:
I think it was Cara's ankle- Farm to Table. She explained how she twisted it and it was sore 2 weeks later.She had an x-ray- Kate took her- but the nanny had taken Cara first to the dr. Kate said we don't have time for a cast so it's lucky it's not broken or similar.
I agree Berk's.
Berks Neighbor said... 171
This explains M***s change of behavior. Perhaps she started dressing, acting, 'performing' in order to appease her mother. The best way to avoid abuse is to do whatever her mother requested of her.
Think about the message Kate sent to Jon..."you can either do it my way or live miserably" because she was NOT going away.
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I totally agree, in fact I said as much about a week ago. Mady learned the game. Please mommie dearest and life will go a little smoother. Oppose her and you will feel her wrath.
And I'm very sure Jon was forced to leave because having him around enraged her even further. Everyone would have been worse off. At least there were nannies, babysitters and a filming crew and bodyguards there for the most part. Jon must have been in one hell of an emotional turmoil over it.
aggiemom09121416 said... 158
Yes, one of the twins did have an injured arm. It was on the episode of Kate playing board games with the little kids. The nanny had to take the kid to the dr, Kate had to do the show, can you believe it? Kate later had to go that evening to wherever the twin was, and when getting home, she tells the kid something like, we don't have time for this, or something like that. I believe Kate also said she had been complaining about her arm hurting for a day or two and Kate just blew it off.
Oh, KATE, why don't you tweet today? I DOUBLE DARE YOU.
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Kate is evil & abusive. What parent wouldn't jump to take their child to the doctor or hospital if something was wrong.
Karma do your thing.
#Kateisanabusivebully
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 161
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Anonymous, I am going to have to disagree with you at the very TOP of my lungs this time. Because now, we're talking about CHILD ABUSE. Now the game has changed.
It is NEVER, EVER not in a child's best interest to keep child abuse quiet for the protection of children. Good Lord. And I think anyone who thinks child abuse should be kept secret should be sent to JAIL. And in fact, there are laws that send people to jail for such things. Did you learn ANYTHING from Jerry Sandusky? Anything at all?
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Your comment was made before the "wooden spoon" article came out, so you were not talking about child abuse nor was I aware of the article when I responded to your post.
However, allegations of child abuse should be reported to child protective services, not put in a flipping book. Do you think child protective services is going to investigate based on a ROL article?
Your comment was made before the "wooden spoon" article came out, so you were not talking about child abuse nor was I aware of the article when I responded to your post.
However, allegations of child abuse should be reported to child protective services, not put in a flipping book. Do you think child protective services is going to investigate based on a ROL article?
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Actually, my comment before this came out was that your comment was a FAIR comment and that I don't know if this is good or not. My comment once it came out is forget that, if it's child abuse, talk about it. You don't know if this wasn't already reported and investigated and nothing was done. CPS investigates or re-investigates things that get a lot of attention. They did to Britney Spears for one, when tabloids caught her driving with her kid in her lap. ANd it's not just about CPS, it's about the children knowing that even if CPS evaluates it out, there were people who recognized the abuse this is. I have nothing else to say to you.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 177
Actually, my comment before this came out was that your comment was a FAIR comment and that I don't know if this is good or not. My comment once it came out is forget that, if it's child abuse, talk about it. You don't know if this wasn't already reported and investigated and nothing was done. CPS investigates or re-investigates things that get a lot of attention. They did to Britney Spears for one, when tabloids caught her driving with her kid in her lap. ANd it's not just about CPS, it's about the children knowing that even if CPS evaluates it out, there were people who recognized the abuse this is. I have nothing else to say to you.
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Again, my comment was pre-abuse allegations. I understand your point about the children knowing that people recognized abuse, but I still want to know if this was reported. Were the diaries he claims to have turned over to CPS? If not, I find that appalling.
If these allegations are true, then what? They have a father who left his children with a woman he knew was abusive and an abusive mother. Should one or both parents lose their rights? Does PA have family preservation programs or the like that can get this family some help? What is the resolution here?
It is seriously time to go to your legislature if you call that place home.
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admin, it is in the works, but as you know from the outdated child labor laws, PA works very slowly in these matters.
Where is Ms. "How will this affect the kids" today? Heart breaking and all that.... Seems to me that the kids will be better off when the dust settles.
**I'm here now. Sorry I cannot spend 24/7 on this blog. You wait until the dust settles, then. However, now that the dust has been kicked up, how are the kids being affected RIGHT NOW?
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