"A series of recent events have made it clear to me that Kate Gosselin and her contributions do not align with the authenticity which we set out to build almost a decade ago, and that Ms. Gosselin is simply not a good fit."A Letter from CouponCabin CEO Scott Kluth
To all our Kate blog readers:
Some nine-plus years ago, I started CouponCabin with the thought of creating a single website that had all the best coupons… no gimmicks, no fluff, just a site that was easy to use and that had great deals. Along the way, we’ve helped our users collectively save hundreds of millions of dollars.
A series of recent events have made it clear to me that Kate Gosselin and her contributions do not align with the authenticity which we set out to build almost a decade ago, and that Ms. Gosselin is simply not a good fit with the wonderful team and culture at CouponCabin.
It’s with this that I am writing to inform you of our decision to discontinue Ms. Gosselin’s feature blog on CouponCabin.com. Ms. Gosselin’s contributions garnered both positive attention and criticism, but as always, I respect and appreciate your candid opinions, which often encourage us not to lose sight of our mission — to help YOU save money.
We wish Kate, her family and her support staff all the best.
Scott Kluth
Founder and CEO of CouponCabin.com
Founder and CEO of CouponCabin.com
1801 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 1801 Newer› Newest»LBelle, does it help to know I've been posting here for years and my posts are hardly ever
responded to?
I guess I don't write to get a response, I write because I feel compelled to say what I think. Maybe I project my own non-need for a reply onto everyone else, forgetting they may want something different than I do.
Thank you for speaking up.
RE: the "core group" on here. We try very, very hard to keep all the crazy ones talking so we know where they are. It's when they get quiet you have to worry......
OT grandson story so please scroll past.
This is a conversation I had the other day when my grandson was at my house.
Him: Mimi, I have a boogie.
Me: Okay, go get a tissue and get it out.
Him: No, I can use my finger.
Me: Honey, I know you can use your finger but it's better if you use a tissue.
Him: Got it.
I got the tissue.
franky said... 194
Me bro and I made me mum wait 30 and 33 years for grandkids..we gave her a boy and a girl withing 7 weeks of eavk other dee! Maybe when it finally rains it'll pour=)
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Hahaha....aww, thanks franky. I'm just worried I'll be dead and buried before I get one. :D
Readerlady, Admin, Franky, I absolutely loved the Earth's children series. Jean Auel did a lot of research when she wrote and my favourite was The Mammoth Hunters too.
LBelle, welcome, I totally get what you're saying and I've been reading here a long time too, there are so many peole commenting that it's impossible to answer all. But I do love this blog and try to keep up with all the posts.
I'm a grandmother to 5 grandchildren, ages 3mo., 4-5-6 and 7. I enjoy every moment I have with them, children are so spontaneous and innocent. For those who are not yet grandparents, your time will come when your DD or DS decide, in the meantime I guess you'll just have to read our OT stories, loll.
Not hearing a peep from Kate, worries me!
Dwindle said... 1
I worry about that too. DD1 says they will not be having any. DD2 is not in a serious relationship; DD3 is having health problems. I too have made a few silly comments over the years but I have stopped now. Not MY MOTHER however! She looks at her granddaughters, taps her watch, and says "Tick Tock, girls!" Omg! I will never be that bad.
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Oh, see....I DO want to be that bad. :D I want to put on my orthopedic shoes, brandish my cane and start yelling "snap to it!" to them.
I mean, shouldn't there be some advantage to being an old lady? Shouldn't people at least tolerate me waving my cane around and hitting them in the head with it and saying any damn thing I please and getting away with it?
I think I'm using the dog as a surrogate. It's gotten so bad that I won't leave him alone in the house unless hubby is here....just like I did when the kids were really little. I have to keep reminding myself that HE'S A DOG, dee!
fideosmommy, I always enjoy your posts. Big giggle for your theory about keeping a tracking device on the core group.
Well, I guess LBelle made us aware of not neglecting each other. We have to thank her.
Son and his lady of 10 years have no plans for children. I try not to hold it against their two cats.
capecodemomma, cute story! I've been through that with my boys a number of times.
Oh, how do I say this? I hope I word it correctly. If you don't have grandchildren, the Lord has put other little ones in your life that create just as much joy.
Prior to going through the major hot flashes with menopause, I was the director of our church's Awana Cubbie program. Those kids filled me with so much joy and I still see many of them today, and they still bring joy to me.
It seems that many without grandkids have other children in their lives that bring them the same joy. Cherish this and God bless.
I hope that no one was offended by this post because that truly was not my intention.
There are 6 books in the "Earth's Children" series with the last book being "The Land of Painted Caves". If you've only read 5 than you still have one more to read :).
Dmasy said... 7
Son and his lady of 10 years have no plans for children. I try not to hold it against their two cats.
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Hahahaha! OMG, is that funny!
A few years ago, this neighbor tossed her de-clawed cat out because she didn't get along with her dogs.....so I rescued her and she's solid black so my 32 year old also rescued a black cat (who is now his and his wife's surrogate child) and then...the 29 year old and his then fiance adopted a black cat and we all joked about how "the cousins and their aunt were all related" (because they all almost look the same).
Meanwhile, turned out my husband is horribly allergic to cats so 29 year old and wife have taken her in for me....so now they have my "daughter" in addition to their little rescue cat and I have to go over there to visit her.
So....I always refer to them as my "daughter" and my 2 "grand-kitties".....and make little jokes about my grands being kitties......and you are so right....I try not to hold it against them.
Because to be perfectly honest....there ARE times when I wonder if they are SO happy with and devoted to their kitty children that I may not get my real grandchildren.
And I'm not being greedy...I'll be perfectly happy with just one. I've offered to do 24/7 babysitting if they need it....and boy, I wish my mom had made that same offer to me.
Which one of the G. tups wears the glasses? Is it Colin? Boy, would I LOVE to have a little grandson just like him. Oh what fun we could have!
Dmasy said... 191
''........Most posts don't get commented on. It isn't personal. Sometimes we all say the same thing with different approaches. There is an understood agreement.....''
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Echoing the thoughts of many others that posted while I was typing, I agree that most posts don't get commented on. I have posted many many times w/no response. A few times I've thought my comment would have generated a good conversation, but since no one commented, I decided my comment wasn't as interesting as I thought it was!!! LOL
This blog has so many posts that it would be totally unmanageable to respond to all posts. I read every post, and get my enjoyment from the reading, not the response to my posts.
I missed out on having a chance to buy The Book, so I was hoping someone who has it could do a little search through it for me to answer this query: Do dates and entries mesh with specific episodes of JK8? Especially for the first two series.
LoveMyGrandsons - You have such a tender heart. I love that about you.
fidosmommy - I want to go on record with Dmasy as another someone who always enjoys your posts. You do realize, however, that since you have now gone and tipped off all our "crazy ones" to our strategy of keeping them talking, we will have to figure out another way to keep them out of trouble!
Dee3, I have a black cat too, not a spot of any other color, and she's my baby. Which reminds me of a grandson story. He's 4. GM: Who's Mommy's boyfriend? GS: Daddy. GM: Does Grandma have a boyfriend? GS: Yes. GM: (I was really surprised, I'm alone) I do? Who? GS: Your cat, Jazzy! He sleeps in your bed. lolll, they're so cute.
Lovemygrandsons, I'm like you, to those who want to be grandparents and aren't yet, I don't know what to say, just keep hoping.
I have some great news I need to tell somebody! I have 3 boys, ages 29, 27 and 26. The 29 yr. old and his wife came to see me this past Sunday. They gave me a card with a picture of the front door of their house with a big pumpkin with their initial on it and a little pumpkin. It didn't dawn on me what was going on! But I flipped it over to the back and it said, This is not a trick it is a TREAT! We are EXPECTING A TREAT! Then their names and due date!
I am going to be a FIRST TIME GRANDMOTHER!!!
I am so happy! I just hope and pray that I will be to live to see the baby next May. I am on kidney dialysis and not on the transplant list.
lukebandit, Congratulations on your little treat. What a clever way for your son and his wife to tell you. I had such a big smile on my face until I read your last sentence. I am so sorry.
Hold hope close to your heart. God bless you.
miloandjack
@stashcache @shatzy8 Oh who cares! Kate knows she a dumb whiner and complainer! She's honored 2carry my ID! She has no personal claim2fame!
Does anyone know what this was about? Tweet-le? It wasn't sent to Kate.
Lukebandit, that's wonderful news, I'll add you in my prayers. Keep strong.
Those of you who were able to buy Hoffman's book, can you still read it or did it disappear? Mine's gone.
Lbelle...what a pleasant way to post your opinion!
I read every post that has a name on it, but don't usually comment on them. When I post it's because I have something to say or I'm interested in a question being answered. I don't get offended if no one comments on my posts. It's a very busy blog, which is what makes it fun!
Anonymous, 19 -- My copy of the book is intact on my Kindle. I just checked.
lukebandit, A BIG CONGRAT'S on the new grandbaby! You will be holding that baby, Im sure of it! :)
I bought the book, finished it, and it's still on my Kindle Fire.
Hi again! Sorry to post and run the first time but hubby had just walked in from work and I spent some time with him.
First things first....lukebandit: wow! Such awesome news! Our gorgeous grand baby just turned 3 and he is the light of my life! Praying that you get well and will indeed be there for the joyous occasion! Congrats!!
Thanks so much for understanding that I was trying not to say anything mean or bash anybody or this fab blog. I was heavily invested in the DIS discussion boards (largest on the web) and I know full well that all posts can't be answered by all posters. Sometimes here, I may state an opinion about Kreider or something and then a more regular poster may come along later on and pretty much say same thing and get responses for it. As I said before, I'm a big girl and not easily hurt or offended it was actually more just confusing. I don't expect to be answered on all my posts, it's not that at all. Just letting you guys know that it CAN be perceived as a 'cliquey' blog and that will turn off potentially new posters.
A couple of you had some great suggestions for me, re: ask. Questions instead of just stating what was on my mind. Makes sense! I will try that a little more as I can now see how some of my posts may not have even needed a reply. Thanks for the hints. : )
Now...back to the important stuff of bashing the you know what out of that nightmare Khate Kreider!!! Muaw, ha ha ha!!
My guess: Kate's filming a dating show. That is the sweet treat that Milo is referring to.
LBelle said... 183
I have been reading all the posts here, as I have everyday for years, and in regards to the 'core group/regulars'...I'm hoping this doesn't come off as bashing in any way but....sometimes it's very hard for new (to posting) people here to feel included. Sure we get the initial 'Welcome' but after that, not much.
I have posted a few times on the last few threads and not one, single person even acknowledged any one of them, in any way.
That's actually fine, my feelings are truly not hurt but it has definitely has made me reconsider posting here. Why bother? If nobody notices, cares or whatever, I may as well just stick to reading here only again.
All I'm trying to say is, no...it's NOT a 'mean girl club' in any form but it IS, perhaps, a solid group who already have enough of 'their people' to converse with and maybe just don't want to really bother allowing anybody new into the fold. I have read a ton of comments made by new names since the book, the firing, etc. people just having a blurb or two to say and they get nothing from the majority of the clique. I myself have wanted to jump on a few times JUST to acknowledge somebody's comment as many were ignored. Unless its a shit stirrer...then you guys are all over that. In fact, somebody today made a statement about not letting anybody say anything bad to 'one of US'.
Is that what this blog is now? One big solid group, no room left to really include new posters? It's just kind of sad to me as I know, for a lot of folks, jumping on to a blog and commenting can be a scary endeavor. Being ignored after finally having the guts to post will keep a lot of very food and fun people excluded...they won't bother trying to post again. It's happened to me here and I've watched it happen daily to others.
Be gentle. We're only trying to be one of the cool kids! : )
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Sadly, I have to agree with you LBelle. I lurk way more than I comment simply because I rarely get any feedback. I'm not a person who feels comfortable telling family stories but I am interested in the Kate saga. I'm concerned for those poor kids and Shoka so I'll always stop in to read but this blog is really not as welcoming as it was in the early days, and that's a shame.
I very seldom post here but read everything.
My husband of 40 plus years died two months ago. Five weeks after he died, my DIL had a baby boy. He has a big chin dimple just like my husband. I feel like a part of him is still with me now.
Those of you who still have husbands, cherish them, appreciate them and love them. Life is so sad when they are gone.
Dee.
yer welcome
bluebird..sainte simon lac et j'ai tout compris..
tu peut etre mamie a ma fille n'importe quand..kikland aussi?
Thank you for the prayers and best wishes! tears flowing! God bless you all.
Granny, So sorry about your dear husband passing. My deepest sympathies.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 141
Do you think, maybe, just maybe, she has decided maybe to take a break from fame? Not a PEEP out of her for yet another day. I wonder if she finally really is thinking about stepping back.
Or am I delusional.....
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I think it would be great if all Kate is having to face now would bring her to her senses and she is finally getting help. I hate to see anyone who has lost their way. Even if they brought it on them self.
I thought my stepmother was the most evil person I ever knew. She spoke ill of everyone and was even jealous of her own children. When I had to move in with her and my dad because of bad choices I made that screwed up my life for 30 years, I saw that she only wanted to be loved and never had anyone patient enough to teach her how to go about it.
Does she deserve a second chance, it's easy to say no. I know eight children that would love to see her get one. A true, life changing one. It might take Divine intervention like it happened to Jon with Rabbi Schmuley, or whatever his name is.
Maybe I have joined in with your delusion Admin. lol
Granny, Deepest sympathies on the loss of your husband. Sounds like you will be seeing him in that sweet grandchild for a long time.
oops, Patience not patients. What good is spell check if there are different spelling with different meanings. lol
Kate is a Twit #150
If you're interested, this is in Robert Hoffman's book in response to tweets between Kate and Milo about Rod Dixon surprising her at the finish line. Kate also says they will stay in touch... blah, blah, blah
"Yep Kate, sure. Rod Dixon "surprised" you at the finish line. It wasn't set up in advance with your manager Julie May, who, by the way, just happened to be standing there with Rod Dixon waiting for you to arrive at the finish line. She probably had to point you out to him so he could fulfill his end of the contract.
Rod Dixon is over 60 years old and a very accomplished athlete. Are you expecting us to believe that he took time out of his life to "surprise" you at the finish line because he wanted to?
Your idiot fans bought it, I guess that's what matters."
Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled The World
Location: 33323 - 33346
I also referenced this way back when, can't remember why, but made the mistake of thinking it was Eileen O'Neill that was at the finish line.
bleuoiseau..bluebird
thanks
btw
heard M.zauel's 5th book was not so hot...opinions?
still waiting fkr frip-prix dolllar store..as in saving money
Congratulations, lukebandit! I was in the delivery room for my first and it was so very special!
Why doesn't this blog just go private with password protection? It's pretty clear this has become a handful of people's personal webpage.
Aren't some of you church goers? Is this how you treat acquaintances in your real life too?
Is narcissism spread through keyboards?
This is really the only place to go for Gosselin news. So, to keep up with the Gosselin news, I have to scroll past hundreds(!) of nonsensical diarrhea posts.
I'm not wasting my time anymore - which I'm certain you'll all celebrate. This used to be a good info blog on Gosselin news. I don't know what it is anymore but I'm DONE.
any advice for loose tooths?
sheezh .. %weekS..oye..
tooth iz movung
Disgusted, is there some tidbit of Kate news we missed or didn't talk about for days, weeks or more? There comes a point where criticism loses credibility and starts to look like a sad attempt to derail a nice group with a nice flow. Not buying it.
Nice? Really Admin? You'd call your posters a 'nice group'?
I'm out, too. If the owner is cosigning the the behaviour that has gone on here today as 'nice', it's time for me to move along too.
Ok. Everyone who doesn't like snarkiness can stop reading here. You really dont need to announce it.
WE are all her frustrated and like to lighten things up with fart jokes or whatever....so what?
@lukebandit may you be blessed with the precious gift of time with your future grandchild.
@LBelle. I liked your post about being new here and finding a spot. This is a popular & busy blog. I often post & run, beause ''m popping while @ work. I never purposely ignore a sincere comment, but I mostly ignore disrupters, criticizers, and passive agressive Kate defenders. I hope you will keep posting.
Another deep sadness I have for the Gosselin children is not having that special relationship between child and grandparent. I hope when they are with Jon, he makes sure they reconnect w/cousins, aunts and uncles, and loving grandparents. The more love that surrounds them, the better.
I think kate has something in the works.Dating show or whatever?! It's been made clear that kate has more "haters" than lovers.I really hope if she has a show people here DONT take one for the team and watch it.
Show's are repeated over and over again...wait a day then watch it.Please do not give this beast any ratings. I may be jumping the gun...but please...don't watch anything kate.
The people on this blog are smart enough to know that by watching anything that kate is on just add's to her "draw". TV show's don't care why you watch...to laugh at, ridicule ,to support...all they care about is that YOU watched.
Kate needs to be called out for what she is...A Child and Animal ABUSER.
On HLN today,they talked about kate being fired.One of the ladies pretty much said...kate gets ratings..people will watch ANYTHING she does...to either support her or berate her...it just matters that THEY watch her.
That said it all.
Let's call her out for what she is...any show she goes on or any company who may want her...flood them with the FACTS..Mention RH book...Call her A Child Abuser...but please please dont' watch anything she's on!!!
Admin post #31
"Just some of the many ways to deal with substantiated claims:.. Have someone move into the house to help, like a relative, or have someone move out of the house (the abuser) for a cooling off period. ..."
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The best would be for Kate to move out permanently but as far as what Kate's been up to this would be the best scenario "..or have someone move out of the house (the abuser)..", I doubt this has happened but surely she could have come back home sometime inbetween her interviews and run. I would miss my kids like crazy and make it a point to find time for them before doing another interview that might as well be a rerun.
I don't think Kate's capable of having a nervous breakdown. She doesn't think anything she does is wrong (Coupon Cabin didn't know how to help her) so I don't see any of this bothering her.
It took time to become what she is and will take a long time for her to change, if ever. That goes for the abuse also, I do not think that has stopped.
What she would do to deal with a dismissal letter like this is rage and we know what happens then. Sure the kid are "shrieking with joy" if they have been able to spend all of time she's been gone with Jon.
Actually Dina, one can do or say anything here. Apparantly. Or have you made up a new rule? You're no regular poster!
LBelle and Audible Click said... 26
I have to say I agree with you and have seen/felt the same thing as you. However, I have wanted to mention for quite awhile now that I have seen this blog evolve into a more friendly and receptive place than it used to be. To Admin and her staffs credit.
I, like you, lurked for a long time and then got the courage to post. Having lurked for so long I felt like I already belonged. Unfortunately I selected a name that had been used by someone that caused problems prior to me coming here.
When I had first started to post it was a time when if some, but not all, didn't agree with you they would accuse you of being a troll/dodo stirrer and rudely told you to go play in someone elses sandbox. I'm embarrassed to say that I took it personal and my feelings got hurt. Silly me!
I have watched Admin, and her staff work hard to fix all the bugs they could and though maybe not always doing it right, this blog has improved immensely. A few of the first faithful bloggers have gone and now the then new are the now old. Hehe, did that bend your mind a little. lol.
I am pretty sure, after seeing the patience and the greater length of tolerance and multiple chances given to trouble makers, there is no intentional avoidance meant. I will admit though that when someone adds or comments about my posts it does make me feel good that someone thought my ideas or questions are meaningful or important enough to grab someones attention. Heck, it makes me feel like I belong here.
So the moral to the story Mr. Peabody, is, WAVE, SAY HI, OFFER ME WOODEN NICKLE, MAKE ME FEEL AT HOME. lol. Maybe if someone invited Sophie a rumspringa or whatever you call it, she wouldn't have gotten so bent out of shape. Who knows?
I didn't make any rules but when people feel the need to say I'M DONE and then write paragraph after paragraph about the Evils of this blog, I think they are making themselves look like they're crying our for attention.
Thanks for the very warm wecome, regulator.
I believe those posters that left the blog came from 2 different people. Where do you see paragraph after paragraph?
The owner here has said she takes into account the feedback she gets and makes appropriate changes (I think). So why can't someone speak up about what they don't like? Or would you rather hear tales of gas, snot and depression?
I'd say if YOU don't like what you're reading, you're free to leave too.
Meow!
I'm so done!!!!
(Btw, that is sarcasm)
Admin, re: Clan of the Cave Bear - it was ReaderLady & Formerly Duped that were talking about the books here: http://www.realitytvkids.com/2012/09/kate-runs-in-y102s-yes-i-can-5k-in.html
Now I may have to check them out, too. ;)
lukebandit, congratulations on your new grandbaby coming!!!
granny, that is so neat that the new baby has a dimple in his chin like your dear husband. How special!
audibleclick - I'm glad you're here, I always read your posts. :)
njay - you have such a kind heart. That was a nice post about your step mother.
Savethe8, INTERESTING excerpt from the book about Rod Dixon!
fidosmommy - I, too, really enjoy reading your posts!
dee - I chuckled to myself when I read your post about not wanting to leave your dog by himself. I think I do the same thing! I feel much better when someone is home with my little girl! (I have a hard time calling her a dog, she seems more like a little person to me!)
I posted not too long ago that HLN talked about kate being fired. What I found funny was that they had a divorce court lady/judge who weighed in on her opinion...(sorry I dont remember her name)
She said kate never HID what she was...I call BS on that.Kate tried to HIDE everything she is. Now her true colors are being called out and no-one wants to believe it or call her out on it. That's why I think its SO important to call her out on anything and everything. Any stupid on-line poll...any show having her on...anyone saying anything about her.Call her out...direct them to Roberts book.BUT PLEASE...don't watch anything she is on on its 1st airing.
They seem to be hanging on the fact that kate has 8 kids to support,so it seems she get pass for everything she does.Directing them to Roberts book will shed light on the fact that this beast isnt hurting for money.
Jon having 50% custody of the kids will never matter...he's the villain...and always will be.So,direct the people to Roberts book...the truth is there,and if people have any sense,they will see the light.
She said kate never HID what she was...I call BS on that.Kate tried to HIDE everything she is.
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Not really. Khate has been surprisingly honest about her true self, if only because she is too ignorant to believably put out a fake persona. It has been the dozens of hired help that have hidden her and Jon's faults/unwanted pluses/abuses/law breaking.
LancasterCountyMom, ReaderLady, FormerlyDuped and Admin. I forgot all about Clan of the Cave Bear until it was mentioned here. Last one I read was The Mammoth Hunters. My memory isn't what it use to be so think I'll start at the beginning and continue on to the books in the series I missed.
Thanks for the OT post ;)
Tamara -- To answer your question -- Yes, some of the excerpts from KK's journal align with filming/episodes. Many of the excerpts are from before filming began in earnest, especially the ones detailing the most horrific of the abuses. The references to filming do not always make it clear what episode is being filmed, but the ones that mention specific travels and places can be identified. Just as one example, KK talks about going for the twins' headshots. She talks about going to St. Judes -- more or less in passing, unfortunately. There are other references to specific episodes, too.
I still have the book on both my computer and my Kindle. Check your archives. It may be there.
Forgot, sorry. Yes, there are 6 books in the Children of the Earth series: "Clan of the Cave Bear", "Valley of the Horses", "The Mammoth Hunters", "The Plains of Passage", "The Shelters of Stone", and "The Land of Painted Caves". The first 3 are the best of the series.
Wasn't Clan of the Cave Bear one of the most banned books in the USA? I've celebrated Banned Books Week every year of my life :)
I remember back when J/K/8 show was on, Jody was watching the kids then---Kate and Jon would go tell the churches about looking for coins in the couch cushions for the mortgage payments, same story never updating as their finances grew. Does anyone else remember the story when Jon was over-heard complaining about having to do these church events (bilking the churches) and Kate replied, "we have to do it for awhile longer." or something like that. That woman kept a damn diary! Is that included in the book cause I'd love to know how much in "love offerings" or how she thought the Lord could help them more bilking the foolish Christians with her well-rehearsed sob story.
Jon Gosselin has a conscience and Kate Gosselin does not...sociopaths do not have consciences. They do not see human beings as people, only what they can use them for their own gain or sick pleasure or destruction. Remember Kate telling Jon after embarrassing him in the store, "I don't see people."
Lots of us here in our office wonder if you will now leave Kate alone if she has lost her way?
Will you stop trying to destroy her? We feel you have destroyed her. You are all a success but now she has 8 children who need a mother and father. People are human. Human beings make mistakes. Kate deserves to go back to her life with her children and not have spies watching her or you who run this blog keep watching her, reporting on her. We all feel it is done now. She has no way of getting a job. What she does now that is not in the public eye is none of your business. We don't know who runs this blog but you succeeded in destroying her. She did have haters, all of those who kept coming back here feeding the Blog here that makes money off of Kate Gosselin. Her sins should now be forgiven if she wants forgiveness with her children not with any of us.
We are the night workers at a utility company who read this blog daily. We expect an answer, how much money does the administrator make with this blog? Have you been made a millionaire from this blog? You did some good but now, it should be over.
anon 58
how dare you .kate gosselin a child and animal abuser and YOU enable her.
kate brought kate down.not this blog not haters on twitter katie did all by herself. why in the world would yall keep coming back if thats how you feel?
Twittering And Twattering said... 17
miloandjack
@stashcache @shatzy8 Oh who cares! Kate knows she a dumb whiner and complainer! She's honored 2carry my ID! She has no personal claim2fame!
Does anyone know what this was about? Tweet-le? It wasn't sent to Kate.
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Twittering, I'm assuming the above came from the Tweeter named @shatzy8 who calls herself "MiloandJack?"
It appears to be in reply to this tweet:
@stashcache
@MiloandJack You need to report MiIoandJack @shatzy8 for impersonating you.
It gets a bit confusing at times. I'm not sure why someone would want to use another person's name.
Anon 58. Those are some BOLD statements. First of all how does someone make millions on a blog. Good grief. I read here 3 times a week but never post. Kate does not want out of the public eye, this is obvious. She needs help so she CAN mother her children. She destroyed herself with all the lying she did over and over. She has plenty of monies to live on for the rest of her life.
You are completely off base and rude. One little ol blog did not destroy KG she did that by her little ol self..
I am not outraged by your comments, anonymous. I feel I must respond and say that this blog did not bring down Kate Gosselin... she did it all herself in her very own words in her journal and her behavior to others. Have you read Robert Hoffman's book? If not, and when it is republished, please do. Just because you give birth does not make you a mother. And she is an abuser. Are you telling me a child needs to remain with his or her mother at any cost?
I do not believe it is over with Kate Gosselin. This woman is so delusional that even the public firing will not deter her. She is quiet because either she is working on something else to bring her fame or she is locked away (rightly so).
I am glad you read here, but please do not excuse Kate Gosselin from what she is and feel sorry for her, and please do not think those kids should be raised by such a hateful, delusional abuser. If you feel pity, then feel pity for her children.
First things first: I am also a regular lurker, I hardly EVER post. But you know what I'm sick of? People who post just to gripe about the comments here. If you don't like something/aren't interested in it, you have two choices: scroll past it or DON'T READ HERE.
My God, you'd think someone puts a gun to people's heads and forces them to read this blog. Free will, people. Look into it.
I'm not really into the OT stories myself. I come here to read Kate information and snark. You know what I do? I act like a big girl and scroll right past anything I don't want to read.
Ug. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
As for anon at 58, no one's buying what you're selling. Shoo.
As for Kate, I don't go to twitter. Is she still on radio silence, ostensibly licking her wounds?
She richly deserves and has EARNED everything that has been happening to her. You can't be an asshole running roughshod over everyone and everything for too long without it all catching up to you and biting you in the butt. She has several chomp marks on her flat ass and will have many more before it's all over and done if she keeps insisting on chasing fame and money.
Anonymous (58) and night utility workers, don't worry yourselves about little ole Kate. We also run the World Bank and the US elections! Be very afraid.
Now doesn't Kate seem insignificant?
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I think your sympathies are well-intentioned but woefully misplaced. Blaming us for Kate's failures is blaming us for the sky being blue. Kate's own actions have placed her squarely where she is today.
Kate has had the opportunity to go back to her kids. Guess what? She doesn't want to, apparently. And yes, I feel very sorry for them and feel they should have their mother's presence there in their lives at all times, even when they're physically with Jon.
Kate is not that mom and I know we and probably you really want her to be that mom for the kids' sake, but Kate has continued to chase fame, and use her kids if not directly, indirectly to stay in the limelight.
Again, your intentions are admirable and if you read here that often, you have certainly read many posters admit that despite Kate's often despicable ways, we feel sorry for the onslaught of vitriol being spewed her way, especially now. Many including me feel that she puts forth a facade and may be quite fragile and mentally disturbed underneath the plastics, hair, tan, veneers and devil-may-care-I'll-be-in-the-media-forever-farce.
The kids have to have wind of this very public firing. They just have to. This is big, bad and ugly. I'm sure it's a knee-jerk reaction for the kids to worry when she loses a job--twice in about a year now, that they will lose their home, not be able to pay bills, have to leave their school. They've heard it before.
Where is Kate? I don't think she's home and just her mere presence, being there for them, a constant in their lives, could overcome anything the haters have got to give.
That's the true tragedy here. To wit:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
Good afternoon!I'm alive!I've been super busy working away!I'm having lots of fun and can't wait to share!No worries..we will chat soon! XO
Not, hi yall! I'm home with my kids, being their anchor during this difficult time, assuring them that all is well. We'll be ok!
Nope, she's off "working" and having fun, fun, fun.
And WE HERE are the problem? It's a flattering notion, but really, do you think Kate got fired because Mr. Kluth reads here, or do you think Kate's blogs were a joke and insult to a man who put everything on the line to build a company and reputation, and that despite coaching, guidance and warnings even, Kate did not improve her performance and was fired like ANYONE else would be if they did not discharge their duties as assigned.
Long response, thanks for reading!
"Those of you who were able to buy Hoffman's book, can you still read it or did it disappear? Mine's gone."
Mine is still on my kindle.
I downloaded the book onto my PC - it is still there. Does anyone know who the anchor on HLN who talked about Kate? I'll be glad to forward my copy to him/her.
Oh, and we all know it's the sheeple trying to cause trouble. They really don't like the OT posts because they feed on the Kate posts here. It's like an addiction to them, so when the posts are not about Kate, they OD.
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Agree, especially about making "millions" off of a blog. Yeah, if your Ariana Huffington!
If you hold Admin. to this whole 'your making money off Kate/the kids, then write to every single author who has penned an article online about Kate and her antics. Write to every late night host about using Kate for monologue fodder and to every magazine that sold copies using images of the children on the cover and spread in the pages of the magazine.
Then, go try to find the last tidbit written in the tabloids about Jon Gosselin. There ain't much and you know why?
You CAN go back, you juts have to want to is all.
Busy afternoon and night, I see! Trying to catch up before heading out in the rain.
Anon58 (and your coworkers). Seriously, you think this blog brought Kate down? Get real! Did you watch her show? Read her blog and CC? Read Hoffman's book? See her interviews on television? She did it to herself - 100%. She's a public figure and has continued to put her kids out there for public viewing. When she disappears (ha!) I'm sure most of us will, too. As for what the Admin makes off this site, who cares? It's her blog and hopefully she is making some good money. It's called free enterprise in America.
LBelle - I'm more a reader/lurker and when I do post, it's rare that I get a response. It would be nice to be acknowledged but I've learned to simply say what I want to and move on. I hear you :)
Admin - I never thanked you for The Farmer's Wife. After I read RH's book, I needed to refocus and began watching Juanita and her family. Not sure how I missed this when it aired - it's one of the best documentaries I've ever seen. So... thank you!!
I searched out this blog after becoming disillusioned with TLC. Most of my friends were still enthralled with the Gosselin family and I wasn't so sure what we were seeing was really the realest reality show. Unlike other non-fan blogs, this one was well-run and the posters were and are intelligent, well-written, snarky and fun. Because I come here to keep up with Kate, etc, the OT posts get a bit much at times. I really don't want to discuss or read about farts, depression, grandkids to the extent it's sometimes done here. But I've learned to scroll and hope we'll all get back on topic.
For those in the northeast, stay warm and dry!
Granny, I hope that little dimple gives you warmth and pleasure for all the years of your life. Sorry for your loss.
lukebandit, congratulations on expecting your first grandchild! I will pray for your health, Sweetie, and I know you'll be there to hug that little one.
Granny, I'm so sorry for the loss of your husband. How wonderful that he lives on in your sweet grandson.
Anon #58, as everyone else has mentioned, no one on this blog, including Admin, destroyed Kate. She did that all by herself.
Tweet #65 - Bwahahahahaha!!! Classic!
Kate's idea of having "fun" is what exactly? Having strange men grope you to make your bodyguard jealous? Sounds about right.
Does anyone know why some replies have a huge space between the end of reply and the date and others don't? I have a small comment box, but see that I can enlarge it by dragging down with my cursor on the lower right corner. I'm wondering if some have a large comment box that is not filled up but still posts the unfilled space.
I bet Kate was breathing fire when she found out Hailey Glassman was getting a show on Lifetime!! Ahh, sweet justice.
audibleclick, I always appreciate your posts. For the longest time I read your name as audible chick...either way it works!
njay, you have pierced my heart more than once. I appreciate that you are here.
58 anon I agree! Posters on this blog snuck into the rehearsals with Ms Kreider and Saint Tony of the Ballroom and made her treat him so disrespectfully! Yes, before RH did research for his book posters here went around to everyone Ms Kreider ever knew and told them to not tell RH any positive thing about her.
Our fearless admin also lives in one of them there fancy houses with a cement pond, dontcha know, from all her blog earnings! ( this makes me laugh so hard, y'all don't know the realities of the interwebs) . Yes, and we conspired to make Ms Kreider demand expensive accommodations and perks with our combined psychic powers. We also made her ignore all the people in her life who tried to give her good advice: Jon, Jodi, Kevin, the producers who left her, Janet the ironess, on and on. Yes, Ms Kreider had absolutely no responsibility for her own failures.
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I'm so sorry for your loss and I hope that your new grandchild fills your heart so full of love and laughter.
BKind2animals, hello. You have some feisty in you! Thanks for weighing in!
Tucker's Mom, 66 -- I dont' have to type ONE word. You said it all. I hope Anonymous/Utility Ladies read what you said. Logic should always win.
I found Childen of the Earth series on E-Bay at a very good price. I am always looking for books my son might read and look on E-Bay before going to Amazon. Much cheaper.
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Does anyone know why some replies have a huge space between the end of reply and the date and others don't? I have a small comment box, but see that I can enlarge it by dragging down with my cursor on the lower right corner. I'm wondering if some have a large comment box that is not filled up but still posts the unfilled space.
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I see this happened with my comment and I did nothing different. Comment box looked as it always does. Let's see if it happens this time.
Hi All - LONG time lurker here. Has anyone given serious thought that besides being bi-polar KG fits the actual very definition of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Literally you could tick every one of the symptoms off the list when thinking of KG. From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
Symptoms of this disorder include[1]:
Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
Taking advantage of others to reach their own goals
Exaggerating their own importance, achievements, and talents
Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
Becoming jealous easily
Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others
Being obsessed with oneself
Pursuing mainly selfish goals
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Becoming easily hurt and rejected
Setting goals that are unrealistic
Wanting "the best" of everything
Appearing unemotional
The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. Yet, they have a fragile self-esteem and cannot handle criticism, and will often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. It is this sadistic tendency that is characteristic of narcissism as opposed to other psychological conditions affecting level of self-worth.
Robert alludes to it in one sentence of his book and I found it very compelling to describe her and her motivations.
Tucker's Mom #66, excellent post.
Maybe Kate and Steve are back in Cabo Mexico.
LoveMyGrandsons said... 84
Tucker's Mom #66, excellent post.
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Thanks! I usually don't wax on so heavily first post of the day, but it felt good to "set the record straight".
The poster seemed sincere enough so I though it deserved a well thought out response.
Anon at 58
I think I understand where you're coming from... No one wants to see someone kicked while they're down. But to be honest, I believe with all my heart that it was Kate who brought herself to this low point; and because of her circumstances, knowable and not, it's entirely likely that she hasn't yet hit bottom.
It's that bottoming out that worries me. Seems as if that's the main concern that you and your co-workers share.
So I have a question for you--and members of this blog who want to weigh in: How bad do things have to get before Kate a) snaps; or b) snaps out of it?
Peace....for the Gosselin 8, primarily.
Anonymous, 58...said, "We are the night workers at a utility company who read this blog daily."
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Ladies, when you come back to read tonight, hello.
You must be hard-working, gainfully employed women. Do you get back home early in the morning and spend your first hours helping your children get off to school...lunches, hugs, well-wishes?
Do you forgo sleeping hours to do the grocery shopping and clean your homes?
I am going to assume that you wrestle with child care, Dr.appointments, some pet accidents and budgeting for vacations.
You probably live a normal life without someone else cleaning your toilets and unloading your groceries.
You and most of the ladies here don't have much in common with Kate's lifestyle.
We have expressed compassion for Kate. We have actually given her some very good advice -- the kind of counsel that you get from a caring friend.
She chose her own path and she clomped right down the middle of it with determination.
Good luck finding a way to help her. But, insulting us and Administrator isn't the way to do it.
So I have a question for you--and members of this blog who want to weigh in: How bad do things have to get before Kate a) snaps; or b) snaps out of it?
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That is so hard for me to say because as much as Kate has put herself out there, she remains an enigma. With that said, I think a will happen before b. Or, maybe c) she will blow enough sunshine up some TV exec's butt that she will get a gig that will feed her wallet and ego for a time. If Mamma is happy, everybody's happy, as they say. For for the kids sake, maybe that should happen.
Kate is never going to be a June Cleaver mom. She'd love to play one on TV (as she has on Twitter), so send your pitches!
I'm not into kicking a horse when its down. Kate is getting what she deserves but I take no pleasure in it. I wish her kids peace and happiness. At this point, there is just a lot of repeating going on. I'll be back if there are further developments.
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Forgot, sorry. Yes, there are 6 books in the Children of the Earth series: "Clan of the Cave Bear", "Valley of the Horses", "The Mammoth Hunters", "The Plains of Passage", "The Shelters of Stone", and "The Land of Painted Caves". The first 3 are the best of the series.
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Yes, read them all. Franky- I felt the last book did not tie up all the loose ends, such as the Clan meeting up with the Cro-magnon Cave Ayla lives with and her being reunited with Durc. I read Jean Auel may write some "Ayla stories" but the sixth book is the last volume in the series. I guess we can surmise that the clan will die out but continue on through Durc's 'mixed spirits' while Ayla's people continue to evolve through her other children- JonAyla & a son one day?. I have read them more than once- they are so full of detail it is almost like reading them anew!
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as for Kate, I must admit I feel a shred worried about her. Why? Because she's a human being. I think she definitely reaped what she sowed- for many years- and I don't think she'll change. But I would bet she is playing some game with her tweeties and may be off trying to sell herself with 'dream projects.' If she's cloistered doing some soul-searching, good. I worry for the kids too and would hate if she ever harmed herself in any way.But to Anon who said 'we' destroyed her, balderdash!
I'm still not sure that Kate is filming. Why film a show if there's no audience? Perhaps she is bankrolling it herself to shop around. Someone mentioned that there was a casting call for male actors for a dating show for her. I wonder if she's hanging around the bordello, and the male actors who were selected in the casting call are supposed to be random men who come up and hit on her. I can definitely see that. She has to pay actors to pretend she's desirable!
If she is in LA filming (again, IF. Funny how there's not a peep from anyone other than one of her fans), then the kids have been with Jon for a couple weeks now. I always thought that, once she had a camera in her face, she would walk away from them and never look back. Her monstrous ego demands to be fed, and if she can't use the kids to feed the ego, they fall by the wayside. Fortunately for the kids, they have a dad who is there to step in and be with them.
I am one of the posters who posts OT on her family so I will reign it in. Apologies to anyone who doesn't like my OT.
Lukebandit..Congrats on your upcoming grandchild. I hope for the best on your health.
Granny...May your new grandson bring you joy while dealing with the loss of your husband.
Annon...58 If you think this blog and this blog alone brought about the downfall of Kate Gosselin then I guess Admin. wields a hell of alot of power. I'm assuming your taking the blame away from Kate and her behaviour. This blog wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Kate's behaviour. There wouldn't be countless discussions about her on TV, articles posted on the internet, printed in newpapers, magazine and tabloids, the latter which are all front and center in grocery stores, convenience stores and book stores. They are more accessible than trying to find a blog. Let's be very clear. Kate and Kate alone is responsible for her downfall. No one else is.
Kate is getting what she deserves but I take no pleasure in it.
I think that is how everyone here feels, and most of us have said so. Tnat we are not taking pleasure, no glee. We are heartsick at how she abuses those children and that poor dog.
For those that follow the twitter feed, is this the longest Kate's been on twitter silence?
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Nice? Really Admin? You'd call your posters a 'nice group'?
I'm out, too. If the owner is cosigning the the behaviour that has gone on here today as 'nice', it's time for me to move along too.
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Yep, you bet it's a nice group.
This nice group was minding their own business, talking about the post topic and talking about other things, when someone came in and very rudely and cruelly attacked them and demanded that they stop posting a certain way. This nice group was actually pretty restrained, though justifiably defensive. If that were me being attacked I don't think I'd hold back that much.
And the respectful responses to LBelle, who WAS respectful with her opinion, show exactly how this nice group will behave when shown a bit of respect.
The final episode of Kate's show rang like Coupon Cabin's letter. This woman in not authentic, she is not well liked, she is selfish and rude and abrasive and even capable of harming those she claims to love, time to show her to the door.
How many times does Kate need this kind of smack down to get the message?
So while I understand the 'don't kick a horse while it is down' sentiment expressed here by Anonymous, I don't think this blog can take credit for her downfall.
The only difference you are seeing now is TLC is no longer backing her. There is no more manufactured hate against Jon, Beth, Jodi,Kevin or anyone who walked out of her life, or were kicked out of her life, for trying to save her children from her.
I truly don't think we care much about Kate and her silence. She can never tweet again and I won't miss her. It is the children we worry about. I know some children of an alcoholic who said to me in their late teens - why did nobody rescue us? The community saw their dad driving around drunk and parking them in the car at the tavern until late at night, and moving them from rat hole to rat hole to live, he preferring the drink over a nice apartment, and they wanted to know why nobody ever banged on their door and tried to save them.
The Gosselin children might ask the same someday. I don't think there is any footage on the cutting room floor of Kate happy in her skin being patient and kind and wonderful to her children. I really don't.
BeKind2Animals, it's good to know that you are still around.
More to say but no time at the present.
Readerlady: on the news: if you can find a way to block robo calls, you can win $50,000.
To all who had grandbabies: congrats!
To all who lost someone & pets: I'm sorry for your loss.
And I too get ignored, a lot. Nothing new there. I also get attacked, and for grammar or I did not understand your post. No big deal.
As for Kate: she did this herself, and whatever she is filming will be a flop too. There have been many dating shows, that have not lasted 3-5 episodes. The concept, Kate mentioned on twitter or was it TV interview, has already been done, on TV and canned. I don't think Kates will be that different or exciting. Anyway how can anyone take adult situations and make them kid friendly? Kids are kids, most till they reach a certain age, where they really understand adults, could really careless, what adults do, that includes dating.
Franky, I loved the Children of the Earth's series but I took a long time to read the last book. I found there was way too much detailing on the drawings in the many different caves.
Granny, my sympathy for the loss of your dear husband, enjoy your new grandson.
Anon 58, Kate did not need this blog to bring her down, she did it herself. I doubt she will change, narcissists never admit when they are in the wrong. You have to admit you have a problem before working on it. Like I've said earlier, Kate's silence means that she's got something up her sleeve. If it's a dating show, I pity the men that will have to interact with her. She'll be all sugar and spice on the outside and vapid and ugly on the inside. My only hope now is that the children are with Jon and that Kate is able to out her frustrations before being reunited with them.
Also: Kate did do herself a dis-service, by getting fired. Cause, it was made public, if Kate chooses to go back to the private sector, she will have a hard time getting a nursing job. Besides the firing, her treatment of people, her actions and not been doing any kind of nursing in 7 years, her hiring is very unlikely.
Mama Mia: Excellent post. My "sediments" exactly!
I don't care if Kate gets a dating show, however, I know it would not succeed as her true negative attitudes would dominate. It's mind boggling how someone so hated continues to "appear" on tv. Coupon Cabin did the right thing. I hope the children have been in Jon's care the past week and not "cared" for by various babysitters.
Audible Click, I've always enjoyed your posts, but don't respond a lot in general. You and many others cover the base very well.
The OT posts aren't of any particular interest to me, except as a sociological artifact (seeing the way the community evolves). But, sheesh, people get a grip!
SCROLL PAST! I mean, is that so hard???
Kate deserves to go back to her life with her children and not have spies watching her or you who run this blog keep watching her, reporting on her.
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Has Kate left the land of fame and gone back to her children? If that's the case, I will stop, just like I stopped with Jon. But until Kate indicates that, no. Kate JUST tweeted not two days ago she is busy on some things and we soon shall see. That doesn't exactly sound like a "I'm leaving fame to go back to my private life" announcement.
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We expect an answer, how much money does the administrator make with this blog? Have you been made a millionaire from this blog?
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Yes, I've been made a millionaire from this blog and live off the interest.
We don't know who runs this blog but you succeeded in destroying her.
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No. Kate destroyed Kate. I did not make Kate abuse her children or her dogs. I was just a first year law student working hard at schoolwork and my part time job when this happened, I just tuned in now and again to a cute little show I saw on Discovery about eight kids. I hadn't the first clue Kate was beating those babies, nor did I make her do it.
I did not make Kate estrange everyone around her. I did not make Kate behave mean and nasty to everyone who tried to help her. I did not make Kate spend her children's money on herself. I did not make Kate write crappy blog posts and be inauthentic and otherwise not fulfill her obligations to Coupon Cabin. I did not make Kate get fired. What you are doing is essentially blaming the whistleblower (and this blog is just one of many, everyone is blowing the whistle right now), and as a hard working American, you should know that it's not right to blame the whistleblower when wrong-doing is happening. The blame here is on Kate.
Dozens upon dozens of folks here including me have expressed great concern for what is going on with her right now, is she okay, how does anyone survive such humiliation, is she having a breakdown, and most importantly of all, are the kids safe. You need only scroll through the posts to see that despite how mean and nasty Kate has been to others much less her own kids, compassion for her still exists and probably always will.
I think the nasty posters trying to stir up dissension and defensiveness are not regular lurkers--they're some of Kate's crazy fans. I would suspect one in particular who's posting under different names.
Don't let her get to you. Just ignore, ignore, ignore. They are (or she is) spitting mad believing the "haters" won. Won what? Kate's seeming demise isn't a happy day. Just because we saw it coming doesn't mean we made it happen. Murt's child protection law--that's good news. We did have a (very) small hand in that.
It wasn't a blogger from this site who wrote the book; it wasn't a blogger who wrote the scathing Coupon Cabin letter; it wasn't a blogger who called her out as Jackhole of the Week.
Then you have Kate's own words in her journals, letters, and on television catching up with her. Foolishly claiming she's one of the rare few who de-age? Who would do that? Even someone who just NATURALLY looks good for her age, much less if the evidence of plastic surgery and botox is there for all to see.
I could go on.
Kate's own behavior--like serious allegations of child and animal abuse--has caught up with her, and the fans don't know what to do with their anger and perhaps even embarrassment. So they come here to take their anger out.
My OT for the morning and then a comment relevant to the discussion.
OT: I seem to be in the minority here (maybe the only one) but I really don't care if I have grandchildren...please don't think any less of me, that's just how I feel.
Kiwi - Your writing style reminds me of two of my favorite authors (Laurie Notaro and Jen Lancaster). I really enjoy your posts.
My copy of the book is still showing in my Kindle library so I assume that it's still on my Kindle and iPad.
Now for the on topic.
Paula@68 is exactly right when she said (re those leaving the blog because of the OT content) " Oh, and we all know it's the sheeple trying to cause trouble. They really don't like the OT posts because they feed on the Kate posts here. It's like an addiction to them, so when the posts are not about Kate, they OD."
Disgusted/Edith/a regulator/who died and made Dina boss and anon@58 I'm talking about you and all the other anonomice who come here to shit stir and try to disrupt the flow.
BTW my husband and I will be going out for Korean food for lunch today (I'm planning to have a big bowl of kimchi soup) so I think there will be enough "tooting" going on in our house tonight to play a symphony.
Hi All - LONG time lurker here. Has anyone given serious thought that besides being bi-polar KG fits the actual very definition of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
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Buttercup exactly how closely do you read here? :) Yes, we've given it a little thought, right guys. Just a little!
In seriousness though, I do believe even if she is bipolar she is also narcissistic too. You can be both.
Since this blog and many others like it have been here for years and KT has gone on during that interim to have huge opportunities one after another, I do not feel the blogs have in any way contributed to her present state of affairs. If I did feel that way, I would not participate. Even as we speak it is said that she is filming perhaps a pilot for her dating show.
As I understand it alcohol, drugs, personality disorder, etc. are not a problem until it's problem (I know:). For instance you can drink like a fish and it is not a problem until it adversely affects your job, your health, your interpersonal relationships, causes harm to your family, etc. Only then would you be deemed an alcoholic or perhaps in this case a person with a personality disorder. Up until then you are simply a person who drinks a lot, does drugs, is not a very nice or just downright mean.
I think what is happening to KT right now is purely and solely a result of her own actions, and the blame can be placed on no one. Hopefully, she can come to realize that some of her own actions seem to be causing a problem for her and she might seek counseling, or maybe go into rehab with Dr. Drew as a person addicted to fame and get help for the kids.
I read here a few times a week, post here once or twice in a blue moon, and, if I'm not interested in what a poster has to say, I take it upon myself to scroll past it. Not complain.
I'd venture a guess there's a few sheeple who have nothing to do now that Kate's quiet and they have no idea how to defend any of this.
Bravo, Admin for being the Anti-Kate Superhero (we need to give you a real superhero name)! Can you do the same for Dina Lohan now? That may push you to multi-millionaire. ;)
BKind...hoping you are well (greetings from Jersey)!
Jane enjoy Farmer's Wife! Please post your impressions here, I for one would be happy to discuss it again. My favorite theme of it is what a devoted mother Juanita is. She was so young too with those three kids, only 29 when the show started. I love how respectfully she talks to her children, how she listens to them, how she holds and cuddles the youngest with such devotion, the way she encouraged Audrey to do 4-H even when her father in law was griping she could learn the same on the farm (Juanita understood it was about more than that), and that sweet little Halloween party she threw for the girls even though she only had about five bucks to do it. If this isn't a definitive portrait of motherhood I don't know what it.
On another topic, it's interesting to me the sheeple will chime in now and again complaining the blog makes money. Do they get mad if Andy Cohen or Kate Coyne or Katie Couric get a paycheck when they talk about Kate, because they all make a lot more than me talking about Kate. Huffington post, Radar online, ENews writers all make money for writing about Kate. So it's okay if THEY make money, but not okay if a blog does? The difference please?
You know I think the blame everyone else but Kate attitude that both Kate and her followers have is pretty much everything I hate about how some people live.
I prefer personal responsibility. I prefer you look first to yourself for what you messed up when something happens. The blame game has gotten a lot of people into big ole messes over the past several years. It's not a life philosophy I subscribe to or believe in.
I think she's a sociopath. No matter what, good times or bad, she NEVER shows any empathy. It's ALWAYS about HER goals, her desires, her feelings, her needs, her possessions, her dissatisfaction, her rules, her lover, her money, her way, her security, her fame, her secrets, her looks, etc etc, everyone else in her life are disposable bit players. Even her kids.....a dating show? traveling around the world for weeks and weeks, leaving her kids to fend for themselves with unprofessional "help"??? Really??
She really does not give a shit about anyone except getting her "needs" met. No she has not changed. IMO
I post every now and then but do read almost daily. I used to post as Nannersmom if anyone remembers that. The OT posts normally bring a smile to my face and some of them are truly funny.And some of the "snarks" are truly funny. I have learned to read the "sediments" very carefully in order to not shower my computer screen with something. Some of you really should do a stand up routine together, you would put many other comedians to shame.
Going OT Here now - Really sorry I missed the California trip. I had a daughter that had to have have surgery and asked (actually I saw it as blessed) me to assist with taking care of the grand-kids.
Like others have said, don't like reading the OT- then don't. Always talking about Kate does get very boring. How many times can one discuss the firing from CC? Kate is just not that entertaining for very long.
Wishing everyone a great day
A response to post #58 written by Anonymous
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And a good morning to you Kate!!!!!!!!
Please stick to Sheeple Talking Points / item #1. The downfall of Katie Irene is the fault of Jon Gosselin.
That is all.
It's really nice to see long-time lurkers and old posters popping in this week.
Anon 58 ..... Hi Kate! How ya doin? How's trendin' #1 workin' for ya? Cool, huh?
I don't always respond to a posts because so often others have said it first, far better than I could. And if you don't respond right away, the blog is so busy, that it's moved on to another topic by the time I've read everything!
I also don't include the original post if I'm reading on my phone or my tablet (not a humblebrag, just a fact), cuz it's just too hard.
I read everything with a name on it. OT is fine with me, even tho I don't engage in it. (Sorry, granny, for the loss of your husband. Rumspringa people: you're quite the comedians! NJay and others, me included, I'm sorry about the narcissist in your lives. LoveMyGrandsons: I love my grandchildren, too, and feel much the same as you about it. Carry on.)
I don't see that every post needs to be acknowledged by someone else. Rest assured that most of us seem to read every post. Seems to me that there are lots of lurkers here who don't post, but read everything. Everyone once in a while they're drawn to comment. Good for them.
When I see a post with a name I don't recognize, and their first ever post is rudely criticizing another poster (regular or not) or the blog, I immediately discount it as a drive-by.
If someone doesn't have the balls to post with the same name, every time, I'm not interested in what they have to say. Nor do I feel any need to interact with them. Ignore, ignore, ignore!
And if they don't have the balls to even use a name, and have to hide behind anonymous....well, may they always have a Kate in their lives!
I came here initially because I LOVED the hysterical snarky recaps. Stayed because it's a NICE group. The OT's are interesting, makes us human. Let's me see that there is indeed recovery possible from living with a narcissist. You as a group have validated my personal experiences, feelings, and thoughts. You've helped me to see how I can better help a little one in my life by being able to better handle the parent. You've reassured me that I AM helping the little one.
Admin: This blog is great. THANK YOU for having it here for us. And putting up with all the nonsense. I'm happy to hear that you've made millions from it and are now living off the interest. (SNARK!)
And now back to our regularly scheduled snarking. I love snarking on Kate. She soooo totally deserves it. I think some like that getting her come-uppance is soooo totally karma. I love it.
Not OT but just curious about something. As I read I am discovering more and more of us are grandmothers, as am I. It is interesting to note so many woman in our age group are speaking out about Kate and her treatment of the children, and her actions in general. I just wonder why it is so irritating to those in our age bracket (not that others aren't disgusted with her). Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
Robert hope you are doing OK.
OK, the Truth in Cosmetic Surgery post about Kate (and her de-aging comment) is up by Dr. John Di Saia, MD and it briefly sums up what any lay person like us has surmised: Kate looks like she's had stuff done, but doesn't consider any of it "plastic surgery", therefore, denies it.
From the blog entry:
"Her recent comments should probably be translated to mean she has done nothing she would consider plastic surgery or at least to which she would care to admit as this time. I’d wager she has maintained herself with more “skin procedures” including laser, Botox, fillers and the like. A touch of a more surgical “Nip Tuck” would not be out of the question either.
What does she mean by “De-Aging?” Beats me. The procedures I mention are available everywhere “now a days.” "
Source:
http://www.cosmeticsurgerytruth.com/blog/?p=16687
Yawn.
Kate is a Witch said... 64
First things first: I am also a regular lurker, I hardly EVER post. But you know what I'm sick of? People who post just to gripe about the comments here. If you don't like something/aren't interested in it, you have two choices: scroll past it or DON'T READ HERE.
My God, you'd think someone puts a gun to people's heads and forces them to read this blog. Free will, people. Look into it.
I'm not really into the OT stories myself. I come here to read Kate information and snark. You know what I do? I act like a big girl and scroll right past anything I don't want to read.
Ug. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
As for anon at 58, no one's buying what you're selling. Shoo.
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Why don't YOU scroll past the comments you don't like rather than telling someone to "shoo?"
I am someone who sees both sides, but there should be no sides. If you don't like the OT, scroll on by. The internet is a weird place. That said, no one here save the blog owner should dictate the rules. As for those who would prefer no OT, it might be better if everyone just scrolled on by them as well.
This blog has not caused the fall of KateG; she has managed that very nicely on her own. If she truly cared for her twitter groupies, yes she might just pop in with a brief tweet along the lines of " thanks for your concern, just taking a twitter break", but she does not care, never has, never will. Where is she? Don't know, don't care.
Just another vote for civility.
Coming out of lurkdom to express my thoughts on this blog/Admin "destroying" Kate.
Kate destroyed Kate. What has been discussed here on this blog for years is Kate's (and in the beginning Jon's) own actions, words and behaviors. I believe most people enjoy seeing a person get their just rewards. Whether those rewards are positive for doing good, (like Jon attempting to do what's best for his children) or negative for doing bad, (like Kate continuing to use her children in a grasp for fame and fortune). For years Kate has implied, or outright said, she is better/more deserving than other families simply because she has 8 children. She has treated many, many people terribly, most importantly her children. She uses her kids as a means to get what she wants, and doesn't care who she trampled on the way. Am I happy to see her finally get her comeuppance? Absolutely! Mostly, because now that Kate has been knocked off her pedestal, she no longer has a safe place from which to inflict damage her behavior causes. She is a child abuser who got away with it for a very long time because she was protected by that very pedestal!
Also, while I am not a person who would normally kick someone while they are down, there are certain situations that warrant a continued kicking in order to keep a person down. Child abuse is certainly one of those situations! That of course is just my opinion.
Scroll past if you hate humblebrags. This is your final warning!
OH and I had USC tickets for Saturday's game but sadly a funeral came up for an older church friend (no need for sympathy for us, we are fine, it's her family that needs it), and we really should go to that funeral and can't go to the game. We talked about trying to sell them on Craig's list or Stubhub but the hassle involved with that not to mention the worry there wouldn't be any takers was not something we wanted to bother with.
We realized we have a friend who is a huge sports fan and has five kids and works long hours as an admin assistant not making very much. We decided, pretty much on impulse, to just give the tickets to him as long as he didn't have plans. Well, he did have plans, but he changed them, lol. He's thrilled and is going to have a little date night with his wife. I've never been in circumstances where I could do that before, just give someone tickets like that. When I buy tickets, I usually go! :) It felt great. They're not great seats, they weren't expensive, but they mean a lot to him and his wife.
That feeling we got that those tickets are going to give a hard working man and good father a break with his wife for one afternoon was like nothing else. Anyway the point being, I wish Kate could understand that. I wish she could understand all the opportunities she has to do things like that, way more than I could ever hope for. She just doesn't seem to take pleasure in such things. And you don't have to be rich to do little things like that. Sometimes circumstances just align like that to create openings if you look for them. Does she even have an arsenal of friends to chose from when something like that happens? She is missing out on so much that life has to offer.
This blog has not caused the fall of KateG; she has managed that very nicely on her own. If she truly cared for her twitter groupies, yes she might just pop in with a brief tweet along the lines of " thanks for your concern, just taking a twitter break", but she does not care, never has, never will. Where is she? Don't know, don't care.
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Exactly my thoughts. Unless she is in a straight jacket somewhere, there is no reason for her not to check in and at least say hi to her devoted fans who have been through hell protecting her. She claims to love and care for them yet will leave them in the dust trying to defend her reputation in a shit storm. The absolute dust.
If she is filming something that's proof right there as soon as something better and shinier comes along she couldn't care less about being there for her fans. They are dead to her. When filming stops and she gets bored again and no one is catering to her needs, she'll come crawling back to them. Seems to me this is the very definition of being USED in a relationship. Wake up, sheeple.
Maybe I have a answer to the Scroll Past problem. Just word search the word kate, Press CTRL and the letter F at the same time and it will highlight every kate, (her name in lights, haha) and all you have to do is hit enter and it will take to every mention of kate.
We had a tragedy in my hometown late Wed. afternoon. A grandmother was leaving her 2 yr. olds house and she went a different way in the yard and ran over her 2 yr. old grandson and he died later at the hospital. The police officers were highly upset at the scene. They first thought it was a girl because of long blonde hair but found out that he was a boy. They investigated and found out that the grandmother was intoxicated on her meds and that she had 3 previous DUI's. The dad had came outside and had tried to grab him but was just out of reach. They are charging her with a 3rd felony. She is in jail, I think without bond. Please pray for the family, you know they have to be heartbroken and in shock.
Anon 58....
My guess is that if Kate woke up one morning and asked herself how she became so desperate for fame she (obstensicly) wound up in an L.A. nightclub looking for a man to film a dating show around, then her first step to recovery is set. I am not saying it could not happen, but it would take depth, bravery, and an unshakeable belief that she needs help to stop her endless, empty quest for the spotlight.
In order for Kate to make the necessary changes to right the many wrongs we have witnessed over the years she would need intense, on-going therapy, but she still cannot undo the damage she has inflicted on so many. Kate needs professional help, a diagnosis and a commitment to changing her life by putting her children's real needs ahead of what she currently thinks they need..another show for "dating" mommy.
Kate's track-record suggests to me that the path she has chosen is to just let her detractors fall away. Cutting out the non-believers demonstrates how strong-willed and determined she is to succeed to "provide" for her children. This is her mantra, she really believes in her goals and will likely spend every last dime to prove she has what it takes to fulfill her dreams.
No-one on this blog had anything to do with Kate's demise, she did it all herself. The people who post here have often suggested ways for Kate to find her way back to her family and friends, to value her children as 8 individuals, and not the number 8 that is her brand. To date, she sees herself as the misunderstood, hard-working, can-do Kate dogged by jealousy and hate.
This blog will be here as long as Kate defies all critics as "haters". She will throw as much money as necessary to stop Hoffman's book to keep up the facade. It may all be crashing down around her, but unless she recognizes it herself, and takes full responsibility for her own demise, it will be business as usual for Kate.
Scott Kluth did something no-one else has ever done, and that is to call her out on her inauthenticity. Kate will cast aspersions on Robert's book because of his connection to Jon. I suspect she will even find a way to excuse/deny her very own words. But, Mr. Kluth exposed her for the fraud she is and made no bones about severing ties with a narcissistic poser who expected much for doing as little as she could get away with. His letter left no doubt about her character, and she either addresses her laundry-list of short-comings or moves on in full-blow denial....again.
"The truest joy in having treasure is allowing it to slip through your hands into the hands of another."
Good comment on the Radaronline post from Nanci Valente · Top Commenter · Montclair State University
"Obviously CC signed her for the name recognition, and found that this pseudo celebrity had no intention of actually doing work, improving her performance, or interacting appropriately with other people. Just like her disasterous Dancing with the Stars experience. She expects to be adored and honored and gifted simply because she has 8 kids.
She at least could have gotten a few years pay out of this pathetic blogging gig, but instead she was fired in less than a year and was called out as inauthentic and not fitting in with wonderful CC culture. Hopefully this nortifying experience will be the ahah moment that she and her handlers need to understand that this woman needs psychological help and to stop trying to be a "celebrity". She is a divorced woman with kids who used to be on a cable reality show. End of her public story.
I hope every other company and production company and talk show takes careful note: there is such thing as bad publicity and people who don't appreciate the actions and attitudes of this child abuser will react vocally and negatively to any enterprise that keeps her in the public eye."
Oh, I forgot to post that the grandmother's previous 3 DUI's were dropped. Everyone is upset about that, including me. My college roommate was taking vet tech and was out on a call with the vet and 2 of my classmates from middle school with their gfs hit and killed her. The vet suffered horrible injuries and many surgeries. They (the classmates) weren't even charged one charge. That has been over 31 years ago.
Not really. Khate has been surprisingly honest about her true self,
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I'm not so sure about that. Kate doesn't know who she is, therefore, how can she be honest about herself? Is she the struggling, mediocre, single mom supporting her kids all by herself, or is she the glamorous, super star who demands and gets what she wants just for the asking as she lives the lifestyle of the rich and famous? She's caught in limbo, not knowing which one she really is, nor does she know which one she wants to portray in the media or to her fans.
Re anon 58 - We are the night workers at a utility company who read this blog daily.
I sure hope you don't work for my utilty company, I would hate to think I pay utility bills to support workers reading blogs all night
No-one on this blog had anything to do with Kate's demise, she did it all herself. The people who post here have often suggested ways for Kate to find her way back to her family and friends, to value her children as 8 individuals, and not the number 8 that is her brand. To date, she sees herself as the misunderstood, hard-working, can-do Kate dogged by jealousy and hate.
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People here really have laid it all out there how she could change for the better.
Even with Coupon Cabin we explained how to write a good blog post, how not to sound like a tool, various better ideas for the same topic of blog post i.e. instead of a post about your pool, a post about cheap ways to stay cool like water balloons. Heck I even did a blog post once on how to take great photos of food for your blog since she couldnt even do THAT right.
We helped, we honestly tried, lol. Even Radar's CC source said they tried to help Kate but she ignored them.
No one has been sitting here just letting Kate self destruct. At every step along the way people have tried to help and redirect her like she were a four year old. At every step.
Well said Jumping In.
But, I don't think any amount of therapy can help someone develop a conscience or acquire empathy. I think either you are born with the capacity for compassion or you are not. I suspect some of kate's problems with her father were related to her willful pursuit of her desires over any social norms or values. Maybe he did try to beat her into good behavior, but all it did was make her hate men.
I guess the point I am making is the you can fake compassion, but either you have it or you don't. I don't think Kate will ever experience empathy in her life. She is defective in that way, no pill or talking therapy will cure that. Just look at her history of victims.
There is nothing in this world as horrible as a selfish, cruel mother. NOTHING. It's time she looses power over those poor kids.
How does it happen anyway that a group of utility workers sits down around a blog and looks at it together? Is it like a book club?
It's hard to imagine an entire group all in one place would really care that much about the same blog. I probably would have said uh, thanks, but no thanks, I've got work to do and such.
Obviously that was a drive by but it's just interesting to me the stories they make up.
Hey do you think the folks at TLC are wishing that they had had the balls to sit down and write Kate a Dear John letter like that when they fired her then post it all over their web site?
Scott truly had guts and it's about time. He had to, for the protection of his foundation which is so involved in children's charities. Good for him putting his charities first.
If I was the Admin. And this was my blog and people were saying MY BLOG brought down Kate I would take it as a compliment! Wow to be responsible for helping those 8 children from Kate on spending all their money ! Having Kate on a constant high and low temperament from her on- going grind of Hollywood. And the scariest part of all Kate eventually pushing at least one of her kids into Hollywood ( Lindsey and Dina Lohan ) what a nightmare!
Admin. That could very well be the best thing you've ever done, so far, in your life!
Kate will always be a terrible mother but at least that would be the only thing she would be terrible at!!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
Jumping in on the O/T bandwagon and on the Repeat bandwagon . . . I don't mind the off topic posts so much as the posters who continually repeat the same old points over and over again.
Can we all agree that Kate:
1. is a narcissist.
2. needs therapy.
3. abuses her children.
4. abuses her dog.
5. has had plastic surgery
6. lies
7. only plays a mother on TV
8. is a grifter
9. is selfish
10. is a fame whore
11. is mean
Then we can discuss more off topic concerns. Although I have to tell you, I also hate the posters who post horrible stories that happen in their neck of the woods, i.e., the story of the grandmother with three dui's. We could all post these types of stories and they are all horrible. I don't see what purpose it serves.
But, Mr. Kluth exposed her for the fraud she is and made no bones about severing ties with a narcissistic poser who expected much for doing as little as she could get away with. His letter left no doubt about her character
Jumping In 126....well said!
And I will add that at the moment I actually don't worry so much about the kids. Sure, their lives are not perfect, but they have more access to their father, attend an excellent school and above all, are no longer having their lives filmed. If Drama Momma is truly still not home I imagine their lives are also quieter; no forced marches up and down the driveway, no histrionics from her, no posed photos for twitter. It could be worse. Kate, the loose cannon, is the most difficult part of their young lives.
Maybe I'm burned out, but I too am tired of the repitition. It is like beating a dead horse at this point. Narcissist, therapy, poster, grifter, abuser, rinse, repeat. Ugh. How many different ways can the same point be explained? I don't know, but I think I've reached my limit.
One more thing about Kate's demise, even though I don't believe it, the entertainment media should have brought her down years ago! They have nurtured her from the get go. When they decide they like someone for whatever reason they only report the positive and the negative is very filtered.
Does anyone think that her defenders( ENABLERS) are closet abusers who relate to her?? Who else would defend a CHILD/ANIMAL ABUSER???
Let's Throw Tomatoes
Just had to pop in and post this from Twitter. #mademydaysomuchbetter
Neal Mayhem @MinutesofMayhem
Kate Gosselin says she no longer allows her kids to use Google. I wish Google would no longer allow Kate to use her kids.
Aw, NJGal, we would never think bad of you. I never cared about being a grandma either, and then it happened!
Enjoy your soup!
Tomatoes, I agree that Kate has been coddled from the get go. Most people can see authenticity, like TV show hosts, but they're there for entertainment and the business is incestuous. The media is an oligarchy of power and they put a great deal of resources behind pitting Kate, the good, jilted mother, against Jon, the douchebag wearing Ed Hardy. It was always about making money.
If the veneer starts to crack, and I think it finally is, then they (the powers that be) backed the wrong horse.
Ouch, don't you think?
Tucker's Mom -- I love learning new words!! I had to look it up. Thanks!
Oligarchy is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, ...
??For people that are tired of talking about Kate, well what do you want to talk about? Jon? The royals? The economy? Recipes? Books? Who we are, our personal details? What?
I thought this was a blog about the rights of kids on TV and especially to expose the fraud that is kate gosselin.
I will quit blogging about her when she quits forcing herself on the public stage. And her kids are able to collect what is theirs....and not when they are 30 years old.
Repeat After Me #137 - That is quite possibly the most baseless request that's been posted here, considering it encompasses nearly all that is Kate Gosselin. And you expect posters to stop discussing the very core issues that surround the madness of Kate Gosselin?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 135
Hey do you think the folks at TLC are wishing that they had had the balls to sit down and write Kate a Dear John letter like that when they fired her then post it all over their web site?
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But Admin, they did. Didn't you watch the Alaskaa snd RV trip episodes? They DID write her a Dear John letter and post it for all to see.
Admin (136) - TLC could never have written a Dear Kate letter (like CC did) because from day 1 they had a hand in promoting/enabling the inauthentic Kate.
And just like Kate, I doubt they have learned anything from this experience. Their line up of shows hasn't really improved much, has it?
My last post of the day. I will not beat a dead horse ( I love animals) but I don't mind beating a rock til it's dust! Kate should never be left alone to continue being rewarded for her horrific behavior ! No more TV, no more scamming for freebies, and hopefully not be a role model for young ignorant teenagers!
I don't think we can stop the CHILD/ANIMAL ABUSE! She needs mental help for that!
BTW, my very strict mother beat us until we were in high school! My younger sister who was the Collin of the family married at 16 divorced at 18! But maybe Kate will keep her hands to herself now that she is being watched! But who knows with that temper!!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
Does anyone remember an episode when kate and Jon were discussing trusts and when the children would have access to their money? Jon wanted them to get it in their 20's and kate wanted to withhold the money till they were 32, or something like that....
Kate is a Child Abuser . . . 147
Do I expect that we stop discussing the core issues? No. I think they will be discussed and repeated ad nauseousness. It's like everybody is trying to come up with newer and better ways of saying the same old thing. There is no newer or better. It's all been said. At least maybe wait until a new revelation comes out and maybe talk about that? And in the meantime, we do have a lot of very good off topic discussions going on. I mean how many times and how many ways can you say that Kate is a child abuser? I guess you thought of another one :) You used it as a name.
I am going to agree with others that this blog is not the same as it used to be and I'm implying that is not a good thing. However, I have to say I don't generally post hoping someone was going to reply back or comment on it. I don't ever expect people to ever think that whatever I have to say is pithy and discussion-worthy. In fact, I rarely say anything pithy. My comments are fairly banal and I don't do any research like a lot of posters appear to do. I do appreciate the people that do get facts out there and put together a cogent comment. I comment because I want to put my 2 cents in about something that has to do with Kate and the kids. I don't like reading any of the off topic stuff either because it bores me and I scroll past it. I am here to snark and follow the world's ultimate fame whore's path to stardom. It's entertaining to me.
But Admin, they did. Didn't you watch the Alaskaa snd RV trip episodes? They DID write her a Dear John letter and post it for all to see.
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One picture is worth a thousand words.
Kate's still on twitter silence? If I remember correctly, even after her show was cancelled last year, she was on board within a day or so, tweeting platitudes, looking for sympathy and adoration from her fans who held her up in high esteem, blaming everyone and anyone they could for ending the show. Is this the longest she's been quiet?
Truly, nobody expects to be on a blog for life. It's something you do as long as the content is of interest to you. When it no longer is, you just quit reading. The fact is,
even the most faithful and ardent blog posters
don't stay around for the life of the blog. Most us us come and go, come and go as we need to.
It is no big deal to depart. I don't know that it requires announcement, either.
If you post, we'll know you're still with us. If you don't post, we'll figure you've moved on, even if only temporarily. Or prefer to simply lurk. Come back when you're ready.
But please, when you leave, please do so with a
wave and a smile rather than a big huff. Or just slip out the door. Is that asking too much?
love my grandsons -- please don't stop posting about your grandsons. I love hearing about them. I am a grandmother of 3, ages 4 to 18 and they are the joy of our lives. They live close and we spend a lot of time together, and here's one of the best parts of it all -- our 18 year old is one fine kid, never went thru the yucky teenage syndrome, still loves coming to our house, spending time with us. We have a granddaughter who is just simply beautiful. She is all girl with hair to her waist and a sweet personality. Our youngest grandson is a ball of energy. He is so much fun! So keep your stories coming, I never skip over your comments.
I'm also one who doesn't get responded to much, but it is no big deal. There are a LOT of comments on this blog and it would be impossible to even remember who said what at any given time. I just really like being part of the most successful anti-Kate site out there!
I am one who has lurked here for years. I read when taking a break from whatever I'm doing that day. I've posted a couple of times and gotten little response, but ya know what? I'm OK with that.I'm happy to sit on the corner of the veranda rail and listen to the wittiness that sets this blog apart from the nastier crowd. Be live me, there are a number of anti blogs that make this one look like a think tank. Lol
I love the Tales from the Faux Ultra Suede Lazy boy, the adventures of the grands, etc.I've moved twice in the last year, but you ladies, and guy, I've been able to keep with me and that I appreciate.
Oh, and btw, to all the grandma wanna best, I'm one of you. Not gonna say a word to my kids, though my mom probably will. Lol
Thanks to Admin for keeping it clean and classy.
Wow. I go to work this morning and all heck breaks loose, LOL.
Anonymice 58 --The only person(s) responsible for Kate's downfall is Kate and, possibly, some of her enablers who keep kissing her feet and telling her she's a "star" instead of telling her she needs help. Is KK destroyed? I'm not so sure. She's definitely in a down cycle, but we've thought that before and she seems to have more lives and more opportunities than a centipede has legs. I seriously doubt we've seen the end of her yet.
I have a question for you utility workers who read here at night and love and admire Kate. What is there about her that you admire? What has she done that is worthy of admiration? Is it because she birthed 8 children? Is it because she conspired to systematically and maliciously destroy the father of her children? I truly think that if she had driven Jon to suicide, she would have rejoiced. Fortunately, he had more strength of character than most of us gave him credit for. He spent a few months drinking and running around with the wrong women, then began to try to pick up the pieces and make amends to his children. Is it because she ruthlessly rides roughshod over anyone she perceives as standing in her way in her quest for fame and fortune? Is it because she is capable of jerking up her toddler son by his hair and hitting him as hard as she can, till she fears that she may actually hurt him (and I can guarantee she hurt him. Being struck by an object hurts. Being hit by someone much larger than you are hurts. Not understanding why you are being hit hurts). And what was the heinous act that this little 2 year old committed that warranted such treatment? He got into the M&Ms. M&Ms! He ate candy! Who was responsible for putting that candy where he could reach it in the first place? None other than your idol, Kate.
Personally, I don't find anything admirable in KK. She's not capable of love. She took a good, though immature and passive, very young man, and used and abused him until he had enough. He clearly adored her, at least in the beginning, and bent over backwards to make her happy and to "help" her. She doesn't love her children. Oh, I think she loves the IDEA of her children. As abstract concepts designed to make her look good. As peeing, pooping, puking, whining, crying, mess-making, demanding, laughing, giggling, joyous, loving individuals -- not so much. I wonder how many times she thrilled to have a warm little body crawl in her lap and wrap sticky arms around her neck and whisper "I love you". My guess would be never. So -- what is it about Kate that prompts your admiration and your devotion? I really would like an answer.
Berks resident said... 118
Not OT but just curious about something. As I read I am discovering more and more of us are grandmothers, as am I. It is interesting to note so many woman in our age group are speaking out about Kate and her treatment of the children, and her actions in general. I just wonder why it is so irritating to those in our age bracket (not that others aren't disgusted with her). Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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I was mulling-over that exact same thing last night. And just as an aside....regarding the drive-by's...it's pretty ridiculous to think that a group of loving grandmothers would be out to destroy Kate G. and her family.
I think it's the collective wisdom and experience. Many of us have raised our own children and we clearly see now that what we reap so shall we sow. And that there are no do-over's. There is no going back. If you screw up a child, you can destroy that child's life and future....and the damage can continue through their generations.
I also think that just from our years of experience, we saw Kate coming long ago.....and we had a pretty good idea of what was probably going on behind the scenes. We know quite well how children of that age behave.....and had a pretty good idea of just how long they had to be "working" to get all the filming done, all the posed photos, etc.
We've had experience with friends and family going through divorces, have seen child alienators and how they can destroy their children, etc.
And I think many of us have written OT comments regarding our grandchildren and pets and friends who volunteer because it was a
comforting break from watching the sad tale of what was happening in the lives of the G. children. We found it a relief to reassure ourselves that there is plenty of love for children, grandchildren, animals, etc. in the world.....despite the fact that we'd been waiting for years to see karma finally show up and our concept of fairness restored.
To be honest.....and I don't want to go off on a whole different tangent here or offend/upset anyone......but I have a problem with ALL the really young children being on reality TV.....including Honey Boo Boo. Yes, her mom is a far cry from Kate and she is certainly WAY more authentic than Kate is.....but I do have concerns regarding the effects this show will have on Honey Boo Boo and her siblings when they get older.
It was one thing back in the early days of reality TV....when a bunch of adults decided to be on "Survivor" for example. But this showcasing of families on reality shows with young children? It just doesn't really sit right with me for some reason. This little Honey Boo Boo, to me....seems to have a few possible narcissistic issues of her own at such a young age. I'm worried that this show will make it far worse.
THE most successful reality stars ARE narcissistic by nature. That's what makes them so much fun to watch....the RHW being a great example. But now we have a narcissistic child being encouraged in this behavior because again, a big network is making bank off of her....and don't really care what happens to her once the show is over.
And what's upsetting me is that so many seem to think that Honey Boo Boo's show and family are different than the Gosselin situation. Sure, many of the particulars are different.....but different show/family....same problematic situation....at least in my opinion.....and similar damage potentially being done.
If it's a true documentary....done in a documentary style....that's one thing. But when it comes to these reality shows where they showcase these families with young children and encourage all sorts of negative patterns and behaviors.....then it's a concern for me.
"I am here to snark and follow the world's ultimate fame whore's path to stardom."
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Snarking is one thing. Kate's boobs, her Mr. Ed teeth, her bragging about her pool and filling ten million Easter eggs is entertainment to some, but I think that with the allegations of child and animal abuse, it's no longer snark, but rather a very serious subject matter. There's no making light of it for entertainment, and that is not to say that anyone here has done this. Kate is a woman who, along with those who will follow her to her dying breath, has mental health issues far and beyond what was ever imagined.
Take a look at the photo below and tell me how any mother, no matter if she is stressed or exhausted or angry to the point of not being able to control her temper, could take this precious little boy, pick him up by his hair and slap him as hard as she could. Imagine this being done to an innocent child who has no idea why his mommy, who is supposed to be protecting and nurturing him, could do this. Anyone who defends this, and this includes the sheeple, are very sick people. I hope that they have not reproduced.
Rant over.
http://www.polyvore.com/collin_gosselin_image_robbster51_on/thing?id=2318712
Readerlady and Dee3 -- those were two excellent posts. I read each one twice. Points well made.
What readerlady said.
And by the way, you stated something that I have long though but never stated. She really wanted (wants?) Jon GONE, no matter how it happened.
have a question for you utility workers who read here at night and love and admire Kate. What is there about her that you admire?
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readerlady, don't hold your breath. I have asked the same question to Kate's fans several times and have received no answer. Not one single paragraph to describe why they admire her, you know, with real examples rather than the generic "she's a wonderful mom who does it all with no help" routine. I asked for specific examples of Kate being a good mom, a loving mom, a genuine mom. Nothing.
It's about that time they quit posting though, so maybe that's the better thing.
For me this blog is like a good puzzle, (not that I do puzzles). Each person's insight comes from a place of their own experience or perhaps just a keen sense of observation. Kate's behaviour is mystery to everyone here. The opportunities lost, the bridges burned, the abuse, the lies, we just want to understand why. Why did people still lavish so much on someone without an ounce of gratitude, why? Why is the media give her time to repeat the same lies over and over again?
I want to believe she can change for the sake of her children, but this is an unlikely scenario, she is likely too entrenched to come back to reality. if so, what is her reality outside her life of fame, does anyone really know?
dee3 said... 159
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Beautifully said. Yes, there are other reality tv moms are are more likable than Kate, like Michelle Duggar, but they're essentially cut from the same cloth. I've only seen pics of June and never watched HBB, but if she winds up NOT a train wreck, cautionary tale or dead early, I'll be shocked.
You can't take these "regular, mediocre" folks, make them wildly famous with all the money, opportunities for money and power that goes along with it and not expect an implosion.
Just look at most lottery winners...they go nuts, go broke and then sometimes, go take a dirt nap.
Just happened to one woman last week or so.
It's a recipe for disaster and sadly, it's considered entertainment.
Although some things have been rehashed over and over, I think sometimes it is new readers who haven't been here reading for very long and don't realize it has been talked about. (I can't see anyone having time to catch up by reading all the thousands of posts from the day the blog started.) It doesn't bother me if someone does. It sometimes encourages new discussions or some hilarious snark that gives me the laughs I need some days.
Love the grandkid stories! I have 5 myself and relate to the fun stories.
Here's an idea (it's a repeat by the way)...accept this blog for what it is. If you don't like a post, whether it's OT or repetitive, scroll by it. If you don't like the content, don't read here at all.
Funny how the "recommendations" are made by names that I have not seen on this blog in the two years (?)I've been reading here.
BTW...new grandma here too. Perhaps a bit younger than the average grandma, perhaps not. And if this isn't acknowledged by other posters, I won't get upset. :)
To the grandma wannabees, just want to say I feel for you. About 5 years ago I very much felt the same way. We have 3 grown children. 5 years ago one was married, my mother had just died, and my close cousins had grandbabies. Fast forward - we now have 3 married children, 3 grandsons and another gbaby on the way. Sometimes I marvel at what can happen in a few short years, and I say this really to empathize and emphasize that life is mysterious. Keep the faith.
For anyone who thinks I'm a man because I go by Jo, I'm a woman. Jo is my knick-name. If I were a man I'd be Joe. Just wanted to clear that up :)
Is this Children of the Earth series the kids version of the Clan of the Cave Bear adult reading series? I had no idea they had a children's version, if so. Over 20 years ago when the series was new there was a man on death row who contacted the author wanting to know if the next book would be out before his execution date because he wanted to know what happened next. Funny, but true story.
fidosmommy -- I don't really expect an answer, but if just one person stops and THINKS and comes to the conclusion that there really isn't anything admirable about KK, then my work here is done, ;) .
Some posters chime in and say don't discuss Kate. Others chime in and say stay on topic don't discuss anything else. Hmm, sounds like they don't want us to discuss anything. I could respect them more if they would just admit they want this blog to go away.
anonymous 58 - Kate has destroyed her own self, by her own actions, for which she must now face the consequences.
If you feel so strongly in support of a child and animal abuser, that's your problem and I hope one day you will see the error of your ways.
No one here at this blog did anything but help expose the truth about Kate Krieder. She is quite despicable. I'm sorry you cannot find anyone better in popular culture to be fans of, as almost anyone would be better than that particular low life.
How lame to excuse away all of Kate's reprehensible behavior by acting as if she just made a few youthful mistakes. Beating your toddlers with a wooden spoon, yanking them by the hair, leaving them to suffer with a medical condition because taking them to the doctor would interfere with filming, making them film and work long hours to support their greedy mother, physically and abusing their father, carrying on some strange sort of affair with a married man, speeding with children in the car, finagling a HOM pregnancy, grifting money from earnest church goers when you already have millions in the bank -- the list of "mistakes" goes on and on and on. Kate deserves the scorn she is now receiving and quite frankly, I think the IRS ought to investigate her tax returns. I have a feeling she probably lied to them as well.
Thanks One Nana's One Cents. I'll keep that in mind and keep hoping.
Perhaps we should have an official blog song? We could call it "Scroll On By" to the tune of the old hit, "Walk On By" sung by...someone I don't remember....
Border Collie -- No, the Children of the Earth isn't a children's version of "Clan of the Cave Bear", it's the name of the series. I don' t think there is a children's version of the books. Although, come to think of it, that would be a great concept for a children's series. Take out the sex and the rape and the abuse and it would be a great way to get kids thinking about pre-historic life and the way humans grew and changed and (dare I say it?) evolved over the centuries.
Tucker's Mom said... 119
OK, the Truth in Cosmetic Surgery post about Kate (and her de-aging comment) is up by Dr. John Di Saia, MD and it briefly sums up what any lay person like us has surmised: Kate looks like she's had stuff done, but doesn't consider any of it "plastic surgery", therefore, denies it.
From the blog entry:
"Her recent comments should probably be translated to mean she has done nothing she would consider plastic surgery or at least to which she would care to admit as this time. I’d wager she has maintained herself with more “skin procedures” including laser, Botox, fillers and the like. A touch of a more surgical “Nip Tuck” would not be out of the question either.
What does she mean by “De-Aging?” Beats me. The procedures I mention are available everywhere “now a days.” "
Source:
http://www.cosmeticsurgerytruth.com/blog/?p=16687
Yawn.
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But, but, but...
Kate insists (in various interviews) that all she's had done is a tummy tuck.
A fortune pissed away:
*new hair extensions and highlights, which ran her an estimated $5,800;
*$1,000 worth of Botox;
*$11,000 worth of skin procedures on her cheeks;
*$5,500 of eye work that included eyelash extensions and eyebrow shaping; and
*a new set of porcelain veneers, which can cost $1,300 per tooth.
Source: msnbc.msn.com/id/36006109/site/todayshow/ns/today-
entertainment/t/gosselin-reportedly-had-makeover/#.UH84mFIeWSo
Funny, all that money she spent improving her looks, could have been
better spent with a Psychologist.
Very well said Julianna. My path to this blog went something like this:
1. Show first airs. I see the commercials and kids are very cute. I tune in and watch the show. I don't love Kate, but I think she's just a little high strung and otherwise not a bad mom.
2. Show goes on and little red flags begin to pop up in my head. Things that as a mom myself, make me go hmmmmm? Early example - Jon making coffee for Kate before he leaves for work. She is still asleep and I believe it's a voice over from Kate that says she doesn't wake up until 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. (maybe even later!) That is not normal when you have babies (one or many). I woke up when my son woke up. That's how it works.
3. Still keep watching show, but go online and find GWOP. Read the hilarious recaps of the show, which highlight what an unnatural mother Kate is, her pretensions and odd ways. My dislike of Kate grows but I still don't see anything seriously wrong with the show or with Kate.
4. Then it got more disturbing - screaming at Collin for getting gum on his little bear and threatening to throw it away while he is sobbing his heart out. What kind of mom does that? (Answer: A horrible one). Putting little Joel on the laundry room floor when he was sick and vomiting, because she didn't want him to get the comforter dirty. What kind of mom does that? (Answer: A truly horrible one.) I find Kate's behavior very disturbing and distressing.
5. Through GWOP, hear about Preesi's blog. Through Preesi's blog, hear about 15MGS. Learn background info, neighbor stories, family stories, and realize what a sham the whole show has been.
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Readerlady; Heck that just gave me an idea. It might be fun to write a children's series on a similar topic. HMMMM
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 172
Some posters chime in and say don't discuss Kate. Others chime in and say stay on topic don't discuss anything else. Hmm, sounds like they don't want us to discuss anything. I could respect them more if they would just admit they want this blog to go away.
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Tough luck on them.
Oh well...
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6. Stop watching J&K+8... Then stop watching TLC at all. Continue reading here and at other blogs. Write to advertisers urging them to spend their ad dollars elsewhere.
The rest is pretty much history. I read here to find out the latest goings on. I knew that sooner or later, Kate's karma would catch up with her. No one can get away with her outrageous behavior forever. This may or may not be the "end" of Kate's opportunities to have any sort of job in the public eye, but her brand has been permanently tarnished. Never again will she be able to command a lot of money and perks. She is possibly already reduced to spending the children's hard earned money to film a sleazy dating show, then she and Skeever will desperately try to market it around Hollywood. I predict producers will turn it down, except the slimiest who will offer Kate money to do a porno (like they did for Octomom). Skeever will probably tell her it will help her career and she might actually do it.
In any event, Kate Krieder is done. If she had common sense, she would simply retire from the public eye, and live frugally on the money she has stockpiled. Somehow, I doubt she'll do anything that makes much sense to the rest of us.
I think Khate's off getting some more body bending medical intervention.
I never really kept up with Kate's blogs on Coupon Cabin, and just went over there to read a few. Good grief, she wasn't phoning it in--she was interpretive dancing it in, with a side of smoke signals! And to think, she was actually PAID to scribble out that drivel!
Sweet Tart -- keep asking questions. The answer will always be "a horrible one". And, we will never be able to understand. Good post.
Good afternoon, ladies of the blog!
I am kind of hanging my head in shame right about now...feeling pretty much silly for my post on feeling that it would be nice for all posters ( except for the occasional shite stirring posts ) to be acknowledged for their contributions.
Why do I say this? I have just read through over 100 fantastic posts and wouldn't even know where to begin in responding to them all! I truly apologize if I upset the apple cart in any way. Thanks to all that responded on the subject...all very classy and respectful. Hugs : )
Now...as to 58 anonymous blaming the downward spiral ( finally! ) of Kreider on this blog: if that was true, Khate would have been History long, long ago. Wish this blog could take the credit for her epic flameout happening as we speak but the only one to blame in ALL of this is Katie Kreider herself. She is super successful at screwing up. A pro actually!
Oh....and she SUCKS and I, for one, feel not even a tiny bit guilty for enjoying the show!
Pass the popcorn...this is simply EPIC!
Sweet Tart - your trajectory mirrors my own in terms of how you first got interested in JK+8, red flags started popping, then onto the blogs for more info and then finally stopped watching TLC altogether.
I'm also worried about Honey Boo Boo and all the other reality show kids right now because if anything TLC has learned from the Gosselin experience and will probably lock down even more on their "ratings gold mines".
There will come a time when Alana (HBB) will no longer be cute and that will be a painful to know what will probably happen to her and her family.
None of this ever ends well. The only 2 child stars that I know of that have ever been any kind of "normal" and success later in life would be Jody Foster and Ron Howard and I'll bet they have stories that would make us all want to burn down Hollywood.
I think CC kept Kate too long. Should have read a test blog and said no thanks.
fidosmommy -- I don't really expect an answer, but if just one person stops and THINKS and comes to the conclusion that there really isn't anything admirable about KK, then my work here is done, ;) .
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Ah, but you are assuming that sheeple can think. There's no reasoning ability there, or they would have come to that conclusion some time ago. They are missing the mental process of cognition.
Keep on trucking. Your work here isn't done! :)
LBelle...have a bit of Rumspringa with your popcorn. Consider it comfort food!
Sweet Tart:
Same path as me, although I never liked the P site!Those recaps were funny; not so much in retrospect. I thought Kate was 'off' when she stopped the pumpkin carving but wrote it off to OCD. Then I realized her attitude to Jon was terrible, rude and abusive.Later, with the kids. I watched to see what the kids would do next and if Kate would change. It wasn't entertainment exactly - more amazement at her
behavior. The entitlement became obvious and my disgust grew...the worst was the new house, MINE, ALL MINE and my kids 'deserve life on a golden platter." I did watch to the finale, but I was duped only for the first specials, perhaps, the Toys R Us one did me in as a viewer.
I imagine kate is now giving steeve some stiff demands. Shit or get off the pot.
She will not longer have her excuse to travel ad nauseam with steeve. No way to make him jealous with her dating show, and no more 4 star hotels and resorts picked up by her sponsors. No more paycheck for him at other people's expense. Let's see if he now wants to be a gigolo for FREE. Gina might finally rebel. LOL
Berks resident said... 118
''Not OT but just curious about something. As I read I am discovering more and more of us are grandmothers, as am I. It is interesting to note so many woman in our age group are speaking out about Kate and her treatment of the children, and her actions in general. I just wonder why it is so irritating to those in our age bracket (not that others aren't disgusted with her). Does anyone have any thoughts on this?''
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I'm going to respond to this even though I'm sure many others will have said the same thing by the time I get it posted....
Like you, I've noticed that many of us are grandmothers. Another link is that many of us were abused children. In my case, I just 'knew' that Kate was abusing not only Jon, but her children, because her actions triggered past memories. Many of us talked about how we broke ''the cycle of abuse'' with our own children.
I believe those of us in our age bracket react to KK's abusive behavior in a sort of instinctive way as though OUR grandchildren were being abused. I believe that our frustration of being unable to physically help the children fed our determination to openly discuss on this blog all the things about KK that disturbed us. KK got worse and worse, so we responded more and more about KK and her horrid behavior.
I think that is also why we were so grateful that Robert got his book out, using KK's own words about her violent abuse of those toddlers, her naked greed, and TLC's feeding her greed, and protecting her...hiding her abuse of those children...not to even mention the way they CRUSHED Jon.
Sweet Tart: yep....pretty much the same way I found myself here. The episode that actually had my jaw on the floor was the bed buying/impacted toddler in excruciating pain one. Seriously couldn't believe what I was witnessing and found myself on the computer googling it and found that I was far from alone in thinking she was one heinous bitch! The rest is history.
Butter cup: I agree with all you said about Honey Boo Boo. I feel really Wful saying anything bad about a small child but I just don't see her as anything but quite annoying. June, though....love her!! I don't watch all of their shows but I know the last few I watched I was paying very close attention to see if any of their dynamics were beginning to change. I did notice very little things, not much to get worried about, I just hope this family, who clearly love each other, remain grounded.
Oh Dmasy....ha ha ha! You're going to get me in trouble! It's only 3pm here BUT it IS 8pm somewhere, right??? Guess a little rumspringa wouldn't hurt. Pass that thar darn bottle, girl! You are joking me I hope!
Just a quick thought. Do we have any concept of how long these posts would be if we all answewered everyone's comments? We'd be up to
8,888 by the end of every day. Then we'd be hearing complaints because the threads are too long to manage and read through.
I think "we" could safely say "we" enjoy the comments made by serious contributors here whether we reply or not.
(Oh boy, I can hear it coming now. "How do you
deign to speak for everyone on this blog? Can you possibly know that everyone enjoys the
contributors? What about the not serious ones, the snarky ones? Who put you in charge of
deciding who enjoys what?") (eyeroll)
There will come a time when Alana (HBB) will no longer be cute and that will be a painful to know what will probably happen to her and her family.
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It's so hard to child stars/actors to grow up in front of the camera. Some go from a good looking kid to an attractive adult and some don't blossom as well. Boys especially, it seems.
Thank goodness Dakota Fanning turned out to be a beauty. Her career would have halted otherwise.
HBB, well, how do I say this delicately? She didn't win the gene pool lottery.
(hides from lightning bolt)
Sorry....joining me. Not joking me.
Formerly Duped said... 186
I think CC kept Kate too long. Should have read a test blog and said no thanks.
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I agree. I don't know why everyone is clapping Mr. CC CEO on the back and calling him smart. He PAID her to be a complete and total moron whom barely mentioned his site for nearly a year. And whatever it was that FINALLY made him swing the axe can it really be worse than everything she's been guilty of for the past 10 months?
Kate watched as a well armed tactical force attacked Jon. Why, she gave just the teeniest bit of a push herself. The press, gossip sites and fan blogs hit him over the head time after time.
I don't think she ever -- remotely -- thought that the same weapons would ever be aimed toward her.
I think she is shocked and stunned into uncharacteristic silence.
Pulled me post. That's how you operate when money comes up. Knew it!!
LBelle said... 193
Oh Dmasy....ha ha ha! You're going to get me in trouble! It's only 3pm here BUT it IS 8pm somewhere, right??? Guess a little rumspringa wouldn't hurt.
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The rule here is noon. Unless it's Sunday, then it's 1:00. We're respectful that way (also local liquor laws prevent the sale on Sun until 1:00 pm...but makes for feeling superior if we claim it's a respect thing). Also, being Catholic, we get that head start at Mass on Sundays anyway...
Repeating Admin,Jon,Robert had pictures proofing of beatings why not give them to cops and news reporters.Held out for money and bigger book?
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