Friday, October 5, 2012

Discussion Thread: 'Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World,' Chapters 8-10





'I know without a doubt that we did the right thing.'

We will do a “book club” style discussion of a few chapters at a time as we read the book together. You are free to read with the group or skip ahead. You are also free to discuss whatever you like, however if you want to partake in the book club discussion, this thread is here to discuss the designated chapters. Robert Hoffman’s book “Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World” was available on Amazon for Kindle, but has been suspended with an unknown date when it will be available again. The Kindle app is free for multiple platforms, including PCs.


8. Show Me the Money!!!!! Part 1 

Kate has been marketing the sextuplets even before they were born. She invited dozens of media to their first birthday party. She requested a 15-passenger van and that people give Target gift cards in lieu of sending gifts.

Kate was extremely paranoid that other families with multiples could steal her thunder. Betty Hayes, a New Jersey mother of sextuplets and two sets of twins, called Kate asking about their first special and about being paid and receiving freebies. Kate writes that she is “mad” that the Hayes are getting another special, and “I am merely trying to provide for my family and rely on the Lord to do so! He is in control and I HATE this competition pressure I am forced to deal with!

After the first Discovery special aired and did well, talks commenced for a second special and a 20-episode contract. Discovery agreed to pay the family $2,000 an episode, with many things comped including Disney World and the grocery shopping trip to Giant. Kate was involved in a lot of back and forth e-mails with producer Jen Stocks about episode ideas and money. As time went on, Kate grew more demanding about what things Discovery would comp. She also continued to take checks and cash from fans, friends and relatives, sometimes checks for several hundred dollars or more.

In October 2006, Kate’s grandmother died. Kate wrote this about the funeral: “Her service was nice except that our mother tried to preach to us children through her tribute to grandma… none of us appreciated that!!!”

In March 2007, Kate called Discovery’s treatment of them “wining and dining”  and refers to it as a “magical time.” For season two, Jon and Kate wanted $6,000 an episode. Discovery negotiated them down to $5,000.

Kate obsessively tried to line up other money making opportunities, for example commercials. She accused Discovery of “sucking the life” out of deals after there was concern a commercial she wanted to do for Fridgidaire might compete with some of their other advertisers. Kate had visions of filming even when she was “old and gray.” In one email she writes: “I also want to secure a 'foreverness' for our family (house, college etc) that goes beyond our show so that when I look back when I am old and gray (and probably STILL filming- ha ha) I know without a doubt that we did the right thing.”

9. Show Me the Money!!!!! Part 2

The Gosselins made less money per episode than some sources have reported. Season one they made $2,000 an episode. Season two and three they made $5,000 an episode. Season four was $9,000 per episode, which was later re-negotiated to $22,500. Season five stayed at $22,500 per episode.

Kate hired a new manager, Julie Carson May, in April 2008. May was heavily involved in contract negotiations. She fought to try to limit the family’s commitment to the show to an average of three days a week, that each season include at least 35 episodes, and that the family would be compensated for episodes even if they used old footage from previous seasons (i.e. flashback episodes), for first class travel and “overages” of $600 a day per family member and $75 per diem per day per family member. She proposed a ghost writer to write TLC’s Jon and Kate blog because Kate didn’t have time. Tax obligations were flagged as something to be discussed. She wanted the family to have input and approval over merchandising.

The list of freebies Kate was able to get Discovery and others to pay for or at least offer to her is astounding. Landscaping, fences, Gymboree, ski clothes for Cara, a condo near Cancun, a beach house in North Carolina, an offer for filming a breast augmentation in San Diego and subsequent recovery at a resort called The Hideaway  [Admin note: My source says Kate ultimately chose Dr. Glassman to do her breasts, without filming. In the book she indeed says she has a choice between Glassman (but no filming) or San Diego (filming), though doesn’t say which one she ended up choosing. One wonders if some kind of executive decision was made to keep the boob job secret for image reasons, even though they had an offer to film it.], at least $500 a week at Ann Taylor, make-up, Olay daily facials, Crest whitestrips, camping equipment, furniture, Charmin toilet paper, invisible fence for the dogs, and a trip to Niagara Falls. Kate responded to an offer from a doctor to give just Jon Lasik surgery that she wanted it for both of them. Kate frequently follows up with those who gave her free things, straight out asking for more and claiming how much she talks about how great their products are.

Kate once shamelessly skipped out on a scheduled weekly conference call with Discovery to go to the spa. There were also discussions about a deal for Cara and Mady to “write” a series of children’s books. Perhaps most disturbing of all, there was discussion about designing an iPhone game around the children. Part of the game description includes: “The game starts with the player taking on the roll of Kate on Monday morning.   The player must get through 7 day/night cycles to win the games first level.   Each level will not only be separated by days, but each day will also be separated in sections breakfast time, lunch and dinner time, with bedtime being the goal the player trying to reach each day. The first week is an example of basic daily life, from getting the oldest kids ready for school to getting the rest of the kids ready for their meals, in this case breakfast. Each of the kids run of different timers, where they will get antsy, crying or even have a full tantrum depending on how long they are left alone or not given what they need.”

Kate and Beth received a $100,000 advance for their book Multiple Blessings. A deal with Kmart for their holiday campaign that only required three-days of work paid $158,000 plus up to $5,000 for a security team of Kate’s choosing. There was also a $25,000 Proctor and Gamble deal.

10. A Family Under (Discovery's) Control 



Discovery maintained a frightening amount of control over the family contractually, including where they would travel, what they wore and even how they styled their hair. Discovery also had several provisions limiting their liability and obligations to the family. They specifically prohibited the Gosselins from subjecting their contracts to union rules such as SAG. [Admin note: Huge red flag they were taking advantage of the family and actively trying to circumvent any built in protections in the entertainment industry’s unions.] The contract also included a provision that the Gosselins would “guarantee” the children’s “performance” and “obligations.” Discovery released themselves of all responsibility in the event of an accident or even death. They also had a provision excluding them from any worker’s compensation claims. Any personal photos and video the family took in the course of the show was the property of Discovery. Discovery could terminate the contract at any time for any reason without owing the Gosselins a cent.  It was the Gosselin’s obligation to secure any necessary work permits and travel documents. They also wrote in the right to sue should any member of the family breach any of their obligations. In other words, Discovery could bail on the family at any time without consequence, but there would be hell to pay if any member of the family ever tried the same thing (and as we all saw, there was).

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Wowser said...

If you'd like to sign your name to this post offering sympathy to
Dwindle, just add your name to the list and keep it posting.....

We are here for you!!!

aggiemom09121416

Rhymes with Witch

Chefsummer

Kate is a twit
Wowser

Anonymous said...

No disrespect to Dwindle and pet lovers here, but we've posted many times now our support for her in this terrible sad time. She's acknowledged having received and appreciated our condolences.

May we move on, please...not in callous disregard for Dwindle and those who've shared similar anguish, but in support of the goals that brought us together in the first place?

aggiemom09121416 said...

Anonymous said... 3

No disrespect to Dwindle and pet lovers here, but we've posted many times now our support for her in this terrible sad time. She's acknowledged having received and appreciated our condolences.

May we move on, please
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Dwindle's hanging in there! It wasn't Buffy like I thought, but Idgy (my bad).

But I agree with Anonymous, I think we can stop the super-long (yeah!) condolence list..Dwindle will see the long list of posters that she has amazed and entertained and, I hope, feel encouragement and support.

So I DO agree with anon, it's time to let 'the blog' move on to other topics.
Thanks to all that lifted up Dwindle in her time of need.
Most, if not all, would agree that she is one of THE best posters on this blog.
I bet she pops on today for a bit, I hope she has a lot of time, because there are lot of posters sharing their experiences and notes of condolences.
You guys are awesome.

TLC stinks said...

Interesting article in Washington Post Today. Writer contacted FanMeNow.com to buy Twitter followers. There are two types to buy. Targeted followers who may be interested in what you tweet about and fake created accounts which you use to pad your numbers. The owner of FanMeNow buys the zombie accounts in bulk from India. A million fake followers cost $1300; 27,000 is $202.

You can be busted with a site called StatusPeople.com that offers a Fakers App but it's not perfect.

The fake accounts do not go away. Why? To get rid of them you need to sort through them one by one. You could accidentally get rid of real followers

So it is cheap for Kate to buy followers. She wants to be seen as a social media force to hawk companies or grift. This totally validates her unusual grouping of additional followers. Haven't we noticed that her tweeties increase in even numbered increments? So yes, her actual true followers are very small. She is deceiving those companies that she hawks.

Winsomeone said...

"The younger kids were at the party? I thought Kate said that each twin had three friends there, which would make eight kids, all the same age (according to her tweet)"

Since the twins have such a late birthday, I seriously doubt that all of the kids at the party were 12. Bet most of them were 11,and will be 12 early next year.

Formerly Duped said...

First, I think the list of those who care about Dwindle's loss shows what kind of blog this is. One with substance, compassion and empathy. We care about our Dwindle, and many of us can relate, as pet owners.

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Re: chilly party. Well, Kate made them picnic on a cold day, so why not swim?it was on her 'masterminded 'list. (Same as for the tups when it rained, when it was cool, party's on, in the POOL.)It got quite cold last night. If I were a parent of a party-goer, I would be concerned, as well as worrying about supervision. Kate must be sleeping in after the 'exhausted-ish' event.

Improbable Dreams said...

I can't bring myself to finish reading RH's book right now, but am glad for this discussion. The facts are brutal and unrelenting, and they deserve wide exposure.

Quick question for those who might have encountered this while reading: How did Katie Irene respond when she was asked to change her name to Kate? Or was that her idea in the first place?

Formerly Duped said...

Good question which I missed the answer to in the book, if it was mentioned. Her real name is Katie? That's odd- usually Katherine or something. But in Multiple Blessings inside the the cover 'Katie' is listed as author. I think Kate to rhyme with 8 was selected- and she probably thought it would fly- Jon and Katie Plus Eighty??lol, hope not!

Jennifer said...

She went by Kate long before the show started and before she even had kids. In photos of her and her ex-fiance from when she was in nursing school, she's wearing a jacket that's monogrammed with "Kate." And in the video of her and Jon getting engaged at Christmas, he calls her "Kate."

LoveMyGrandsons said...

njay, your post #117 on the previous page was perfectly stated. It was worded in an honest and loving way, Christians are asked to do. Thank you, I could never have said it better.

Improbable Dreams said...

Oh, thanks for clarifying! I've heard her referred to as "Katie Irene" here on this blog, so I assumed (incorrectly, it seems) that she'd changed yet another thing about herself for the sake of the show.

Lilly said...

IIRC her birth cert was Katie Irene - tlc just did the change prob cause it rhymed

Just finished book - skimmed over last few chapters - lots of repetion of tweets, etc

Worth 8 bucks - yes - a lot of confirmation of things and RV chapter was a hoot to read

Bluebird said...



aggiemom09121416
Rhymes with Witch
Chefsummer
Kate is a twit
Lovemygrandsons
Winsomeone
Linda
Heide
Amy2
Formerly Duped
Permanent Name in Blue
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB
NJGal (and Spike)
Cherier1 (and Biscuit, Chloe & Molly)
PatK
Moose Mania (and Moose)
Auntie Ann
Butterfly
Jo
JudyK
Readerlady
AngerIssuesKate
Michelle
Localyocul
Berks Resident and Molly - Hugs!
wayward
franky
Parent In Lancaster County (Mango & Kiwi, Bali & Tahiti)
Lets throw tomatoes
Readerlady
Mrs. Malaprop
Mel
Swimmermama
njay
Improbable Dreams
AnnaOkie and my fur baby, Clementine
SaveThe8FromEvilKate
Audible Click
westcoastie
Where is Gosselin Give Back?
White Organza
BerksNeighbor
Bluebird

chefsummer #Leh said...

Kate is so fully of S***T.

She's not going to panic if she takes the kids out. She took them to that marathon to work.

I bet if someone offered her and the kids an appearance she'd take them.

Pity Party said...

I wonder why RH did not try to unearth the reasoning behind E. Roberts making that very public statement. Even though he later backed down, probably due to a scathing letter from the attorneys that she has on speed dial, he said it as though he had inside knowledge.

I so love my state. A very powerful attorney here who advertises extensively, recently made a commercial telling everyone if they got into a situation wherein it would be beneficial, to feel free to use his name and that we would see a turn of events and further recourse may not be needed. I know this is true because my ex was related to a very powerful attorney (who never lost a case) and he was always saying, I'll put so and so on you and everyone would back down immediately. To clarify, he did work wherein a lot of legalities were involved. I marveled at the power of a name but never had occasion to try it myself (I certainly could not use it on him though I wish I could have at times).

In sharp contrast to this when we went through our divorce, I hired an attorney, who billed himself as a "bulldog" and he was reduced to an ineffective wimper straight out of the gate. It started when we all happened to get on the same elevator. He immediately recognized my then husband (his legal name was different than the name he was known for) and you could clearly see the "oh sh*t" cross his face. At any rate, the elevator stalled and my then husband (who had positioned himself right behind my attorney) said somebody is too fat and needs to get off (and since my attorney was the only "fat" one the inference was quite clear). I paid him for that appearance and he was happy to say good bye.

To finish the story, I decided to represent myself in negotiations as I knew it was not going to go well in any event. As the namedropper attorney was a criminal and litigation attorney, he did not do divorces so he had a different attorney for this case, though the name association was in the air.

As luck would have it, once we got down to brass tacks my ex's attorney very quickly surmised the situation and realized that his client was out for revenge (we are talking ongoing monies here over a lifetime and even generations that I was clearly due a part of). So this young attorney was beyond intimidation and became an advocate for me as well as his client. He told my ex as well as the judge that he was prepared to withdraw if it became necessary.

It worked out great for the both of us in the end and I am happy to report that my ex and I are very good and knowing friends to this day. We both had a good laugh about it over time and it is a story that he loves to tell how his own attorney turned on him midstream and started working both sides of the fence and only he got stuck with the bill. You OWE me he says.

Ok well then that is my attorney story, and there again we see KT's street smarts as she knows this, wherein I and others have had to learn this the hard way. I guess what I am trying to say here is that there is more in a name than one might imagine.

Yes, I am off today. Yay, fun, fun, fun, did I say fun because we all know that is what life is really about right?



chefsummer #Leh said...

@MyTirNaNog 1st takes more2make me ‘uncalm’; 2nd: not deny I CHOOSE not 2go into public& cause panic& spend $ 4same movie we can watch @ home!
________________

So full of s***t the min the kids get offered something or she wants to use them.

She'll be there front and center.

Formerly Duped said...

"uncalm?" It takes very little to turn Kate into a raging maniac over trifles & take it out on her kids.

Maggie said...

I am not understanding Pity Party about Robert's comment about E. What about E and Robert?

All This Is That said...



I too am sorry about Dwindle's pet, but this created sooo many needless, long posts. Get a grip on the blog.

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Did you ever hear of skimming and/or scrolling? It works, it really does!

Unless you're the blog administrator, then it really isn't "your" blog, and it's not for you to tell anyone to get a grip. You have the option of moving on.

Bluebird said...

So sorry, I didn't see the post asking to stop the list for Dwindle. My apologies Aggiemom.

I've not finished RH's book yet, I can only take so much of Kate's abuse in a day. I'm hoping to finish it soon. I pray for those children, how can anyone be so self-centered as Kate. One day she will get her just dues.

Wishing all of my Canadian bloggers here a very Happy Thanksgiving, to be enjoyed with family, good food and lots of laughs and memories.

Pity Party said...

Maggie - that was Eric Roberts. I don't like to use names that can be googled. Remember after the Alaska thing he came out of the blue and only said 5 words - "KG is a child abuser."

wayward said...

Formerly Duped said... 7

Re: chilly party. Well, Kate made them picnic on a cold day, so why not swim?it was on her 'masterminded 'list. (Same as for the tups when it rained, when it was cool, party's on, in the POOL.)It got quite cold last night. If I were a parent of a party-goer, I would be concerned, as well as worrying about supervision. Kate must be sleeping in after the 'exhausted-ish' event.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
There is a spa or hottub thing connected to the pool. I'm thinking that's probably what the girls were 'swimming' in. That swimming crap was just another shovel full of Kate's BS she likes to pull on twitter.

Formerly Duped said...

wayward@ 22...
Hope so! But remember when they got the (free) slide, Kate had Cara and Mady try it out and it was so cold they were bribed with $20 each & wore T shirts? Then the tups wanted to try it, and Kate said their was frost in the air and if they went in, they had to stay at least 20 minutes ? She was all set to have the party the next day regardless of the weather for the tups & friends.

Twittering And Twattering said...




"I too am sorry about Dwindle's pet, but this created sooo many needless, long posts. Get a grip on the blog."

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Admin said that comments can be made without snippy remarks. Telling someone to "get a grip" isn't really the nice way of going about it.

msgoody2shoes21
@jiminneycricke1 @kateplusmy8 No! Robert Hoffman aka @gosselinbook did what he did to HUMILIATE Kate. Plain & simple! That's what I believe.

Sheeple are still shooting the messenger. Kate humiliated herself. Plain and simple, and she was quite good at it.

wayward said...

chefsummer said... 17
@MyTirNaNog 1st takes more2make me ‘uncalm’; 2nd: not deny I CHOOSE not 2go into public& cause panic& spend $ 4same movie we can watch @ home!
________________

So full of s***t the min the kids get offered something or she wants to use them.

She'll be there front and center.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exactly, Chef.

She considers her kids commodities. When TLC was paying for exotic trips, she was all about them having new and fun experiences. In fact she felt it was imperative. When TLC kicked her out and slammed the door, all of a sudden Khate didn't think new experiences and fun were as important. Staycations for the kids and one grifted vacation was all they got.

I'm calling it right now- she's down to 50/50 custody (and lying by omission about it) because she's still pretending to be a supermom and trying to snag a teevee show. After 1 or 2 typical teenager incidents, she's shipping those kids off to Jon. She is used to physically bullying those kids into submission, she is used to ruling with an iron hand and fear. I'd like to see her try that shit with a kid who is a foot taller than her. What is she going to do? Threaten to call Marty Singer if they don't come home by curfew? Kate has lost any skills she may have possibly held in her previous life for having a civil discussion, natural give & take and compromise and listening to reason.

It is this that pisses me off about living in my state. Here we go again, sticking our heads in the sand. Being more impressed by money than the welfare of children. When the Gosselin kids go crazy as teens (I hope they don't) and they tell in their own words what they endured, it will be deja vu all over again. CPS reports that were conveniently disposed of and witnesses who were lambasted in the press. We've learned nothing from the crimes Jerry Sandusky committed. He kept doing it because he could and he was permitted to do so. He was given a pass, just like Kate has been given for the last 6 years.

Dmasy said...

The death of Idgy, Dwindle's dog, gave us a constructive place to express all the raw emotions we have struggled with since the release of Robert's horrific information.

Our sadness and compassion could be shared due to the death of a sweet and faithful pet.

Kate's behavior stirs us up and leaves us feeling ineffective. (Testy!)

I think expressing our respect and affection to Dwindle allowed us a moment of emotional release.



capecodmama said...

njay...170 I'm not making excuses for Andrea Yates, but if I remember correctly she was diagnosed with severe post-partum depression. I read somewhere that it came out that she and her husband were advised by her doctor after their third child not to have any more kids because her ppd became more severe after each child. The morning that she killed her children, her husband said that his mother (I believe it was his mother) was coming over to be with her because he didn't trust her with the kids because of her state of mind. He had to get to work so he couldn't wait until the mother got there. By the time the mother got there (which was a short time after he left) all the kids were dead. My thinking when I heard this was why would you leave your wife alone with the kids knowing that she could harm them. I'm sure he didn't think she could kill them, but one can't be sure of anything in a situration like that. I hear he did get remarried and wanted more kids.

Twittering And Twattering said...

There is a spa or hottub thing connected to the pool. I'm thinking that's probably what the girls were 'swimming' in. That swimming crap was just another shovel full of Kate's BS she likes to pull on twitter.

___________________

I thought about that, too. We sometimes keep our spa running even when the pool is closed for the winter. However, unless her spa is large enough to hold eight pre-teen girls at the same time, it would be very cold to get out of a super-heated hot tub and jump in 60-ish degree pool water. It makes me cold just thinking about it!

JoyinVirginia said...

I am VERY impressed with the length of the list giving Dwindle Condolences. Dwindle, i'm not on it cause I can't copy from other posts on my phone, and i'm using that to post most days.
Different topic, going back a ways to a post that referenced Susan Smith who was convicted of murdering her children. Did you know the most dangerous time for a victim of domestic violence is right after they leave the abuser? From weekday we read and viewed on film, Ms Kreider did abuse Jon. She abused those children. She has had fits of temper and lost control. Could she be capable of violence that even now could physically injure any of the children severely? Of course she is capable of that! Yes, I do think victims of abuse, including those children, need to understand how to keep themselves safe. And also, in years to come, might Ms Kreider be interested in any eventual grandchildren? Maybe, but I would never let her be alone with a baby or toddler. EVER. This us not to be cruel to the children our be insulting to their mother. This is SAFETY dealing with a person who has extreme anger, poor judgment, and has not gotten any help for herself.

Katie Cry-duh said...

The biggest revelation, the one that explains most of her subsequent behavior, is Kate's faked infertility. Shit, guys, she got pregnant as a teen! She manipulated the system, by lying to her doctors and possibly augmenting her own fertility treatments, to
have HOMs!! Four follicles weren't enough? Just one more? Nah...those kids are nothing but dollar signs to her. Now that she has some fame herself, they are but an annoyance to use as a protective shield to justify her awful behavior

anger issues kate said...

Cherier1: Ok, got yea. These drive-bys, come here an attack, cause Katie Irene, is not giving them attention. So they come here to stir up crap. Even that one who thinks we are nuts for signing a electro card for Dwindle. Just wants us to constantly talk about Kate and child abuse. How much can one talk about that, we all know what Kate did, the book confirmed it. Child abuse is around us all the time, as is animal abuse, and abuse of all kinds, I think if we go on about too much talking on it, we make ourselves crazy. It's nice when we talk off subject a little. Keeps us from getting PO'd. Abuse always angers me, there is no call for it.

Someone commented on an article about Kates, Katie appearance, about Kate saying that her marriage was in trouble, from the start, they said: If Kate knew her marriage was in trouble, back then, before the tups were born, why make more kids? We all know why now. Money & fame.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

JoyInVirginia, I completely agree with your above post. I never left my daughter alone with my mother.

JoyinVirginia said...

Cape cod mama and Njay, I was very interested in the Andrea Yates case. She actually was diagnoses with a type of psychosis and could not tell reality from the wild imaginings in her head. When she was properly medicated and realized what she had done, she became suicidal. Her husband had tried to get her help, she had been hospitalized in a psych unit after the birth of her youngest baby. Her delusions were much, much worse than her psychiatrist realized. It is one of the saddest cases I have ever read about. The Houston Chronicle had a series of detailed articles, their coverage was extensive.

aggiemom09121416 said...

I haven't finished the book, but one thing that popped out at me and royally pissed me off was her reading Despereaux to her kids...everything on that show was used as a means to make money off the kids...free clothes, free procedures, free juice, free car insurance, and free stuff for agreeing to read a book to the kids. I am sure she spewed some type of garbage about how the kids 'love' that book, movie, etc...when all it was was a contract agreement with monetary compensation.
Was that the only time she as seen reading to the kids? I can't recall another time.

Kate had every intention of making those kids pay their own way (from utero, by asking for clothing, food, nurses, help, etc) to later on, when she expected those kids to pay for HER. it's astounding.
She continue to this day, show canceled, nothing in the works, and she still uses her kids on twitter to keep herself relevant.

FYI said...

I was reading some old posts on Kate's blog to see if there was anything she wrote there that might reference something written in the book. I found this entry "Walk a Day in My Heels"(dated 10/15/11), and this part was interesting:
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"As parents, because there is no manual on how to do it all “right,” we must find our way on our own through trial and error. We consult with friends, family, the lady in line in front of us at the grocery store, fellow school moms, and neighbors. We learn as we go and use other’s tips to form our favorite parenting “style,” much like our favorite shoe style.

I believe that all parents should reach out and encourage other parents, share tips, mistakes, fears, and triumphs. In life, it’s through communication and caring that we gain knowledge — in parenting and in all other areas of living. By hearing and sharing, it makes us better, more refined parents. Other’s opinions and advice along with our own past and convictions form who we become as individuals and as parents.

The part that concerns me is the fact that once I became a parent I began to notice how not all “advice” that came from parents or people in general was constructive. Some opinions were “judgements” and they felt harsh and mean. Many people impart their opinions without apology and without full knowledge of the situation as if they have walked in my chosen shoes and have taken each and every painful step that I have taken! This is disturbing to me because criticism is not helpful or advantageous to anyone and can be especially damaging to well meaning parents.

Harsh opinions break down that very individualized and crucial barrier and causes parents to say “am I doing it all wrong?” “Have I made all wrong choices?” This fuels the infamous bouts of “mommy guilt” or “daddy guilt” that so many parents suffer through. It turns the amazing worldwide parental bond into a parental contest and war and I must admit, it disheartened me as a new parent. Fortunately, in most cases, as we become more “seasoned” parents, we learn to wade through those critical darts shot at each of us. We develop a thickened skin and save our weapons only for those “mother bear” (or “father bear”) moments.
"
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Were some of those "harsh opinions" and "judgements" along the lines of "Kate, hitting and physically abusing your children is wrong. Stop it!" or "Kate, you need to seek mental therapy", etc. etc.






Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Maybe she means it would cause panic for her because she'd actually have to do something with them that wasn't a grifted freebie.

capecodmama said...

JoyinVirginia...33 Thanks for the info. I didn't know that. Do you know when she was diagnosed? I had read it was ppd.

Twittering And Twattering said...

It's funny and pathetic at the same time to see what length these fans go to defend Kate...

fostermom62
@stxmom @siobhanr111 @kateplusmy8 Or perhaps she has a small indoor pool or took them to indoor pool. We often stay @ hotel 2 let kids swim.


Right. Okay. Got it. Kate had a "small" indoor pool put in her house just so the kids could swim in October and be comfortable.

If not, then she took them to an indoor pool at a hotel, paid for rooms for nine or more people (helpers?) just so they could use the indoor pool when they already have one at home.

The stupidity of these people never ceases to amaze me.

FYI said...

Some fans' defense of Kate re pool. Love the last one.

"Saw @kateplusmy8 tweet about pool party & of course the #busybodies swarmed it to lecture Kate like every1 KNEW they would"

"their small minds have never heard of heated pools."

"Or perhaps she has a small indoor pool or took them to indoor pool. We often stay @ hotel 2 let kids swim."

localyocul said...

The Yates story is so tragic. I read the book Are You There Alone..it details her mental illness, the aggravating factors of isolation, homeschooling and quiverfull ideology (same one the Duggars ascribe to). Those poor innocent beautiful babies. It's an American Tragedy.

http://www.amazon.com/Are-You-There-Alone-Unspeakable/dp/B0009PZZZG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349625667&sr=8-1&keywords=are+you+there+alone

wayward said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 36
Maybe she means it would cause panic for her because she'd actually have to do something with them that wasn't a grifted freebie.
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That, of course, but I think there's another reason as well.

She spends so little time with them, I don't think she has any clue how to handle them all at the same time. She knows no other discipline techniques other than yelling, screaming and threatening. And worse.

At a theater, she risks people seeing meltdowns and her freaking out. At home, she has complete control and as a bonus, can thrill her twatters by farting rainbows and sunbeams and claiming to be having the bestest movie night ever.

readerlady said...

Joy and Capecodmama -- I read several articles on Andrea Yates, too. IIRC, her husband insisted on more children, despite her difficulties and being advised not to have more by the doctors. At the time, I remember thinking that he was just as guilty of those babies' deaths as she was. More so, really, because she wasn't rational and he supposedly was. She didn't deserve to be villified in the press and to have the death penalty on the table in her trial. I'm not excusing what she did. She should be locked up, but at the time she killed her children she literally wasn't "in her right mind". OTOH, Susan Smith made a rational and calculated decision to get rid of her children for her own convenience.

It's good to see some of our old posters back -- P.J.'s Momma and IDModo. You've been missed. Sorry it took a tragedy to bring you out of the woodwork.

I'm settling in for a good, long day of sports here. My Bengals play the Miami Dolphins this afternoon and my Reds go after the Giants for a second win in the NLDS this evening. GO Bengals! Go Reds!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kate is a twit thanks for reposting that ridiculous blog of hers. My experience has been that most parents are in fact very supportive of each other and encouraging. Only when a parent is truly doing harm to their kids do parents start to get worked up and only when it won't stop do they continue to harass. If you find yourself inflicted with that much guilt and are receiving that much criticism, something is wrong with you more likely than not. Contrary to Kate's belief most people are too busy to go after someone for no reason. But if people see kids being harmed you bet they will make time. I can't stand her innocent act that she is just being picked on for no reason.

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Lilly said...

Thanks everyone for happy thanksgiving wishes - leftovers anyone? Turkey, dressing, fresh cranberry, spaghetti squash, pumpkin pie with whipped cream...help yourself - heinkletroken in the fridge.

Magnificent day here 10 degrees c, blue blue sky and maple trees in bright red, orange, yellow and everything in between (looks like one of those puzzles!) - laundry on Line and off for a Sunday drive - so much to be thankful for - hugs to all

Hope Kate has a crummy day...

readerlady said...

capecodmama - Andrea Yates was diagnosed with Post Partum Psychosis.

Admin -- KK fails to recognize that the majority of the attention that was focused on her and the kids when out in public was due to the film crew. Of course, when a group shows up with cameras, crew, and production people in tow, it's going to garner attention. I bet when she and the kids are out alone, no one notices. THAT's what causes the panic. She can't understand why no one recognizes the big, important TeeVee star.

readerlady said...

Unfortunately, KK views any disagreement with her opinions and actions as criticism and immediately goes on the defensive. If she'd just listen for once and not get her hackles up, she might actually learn something.

FYI said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 44

I didn't see any emails between Jon and his lawyer. There were emails between Kate's lawyer and Jon's lawyer, also emails between JCM, Kate's lawyer and Jon's lawyer.

Most likely these emails were forwarded to Kate from either her lawyer or JCM. Robert could have just left out the "forwarding" part.

wayward said...

Twittering And Twattering said... 38
It's funny and pathetic at the same time to see what length these fans go to defend Kate...

fostermom62
@stxmom @siobhanr111 @kateplusmy8 Or perhaps she has a small indoor pool or took them to indoor pool. We often stay @ hotel 2 let kids swim.


Right. Okay. Got it. Kate had a "small" indoor pool put in her house just so the kids could swim in October and be comfortable.

If not, then she took them to an indoor pool at a hotel, paid for rooms for nine or more people (helpers?) just so they could use the indoor pool when they already have one at home.

The stupidity of these people never ceases to amaze me.
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They are stupid x 1000.

Remember, these are the same people who went berserk when Jon tweeted a few years ago that he had eaten at Olive Garden earlier in the evening with the twins for their B-day. They thought this was a HUGE breach of the twins safety and they thought the appropriate authorities should be alerted.

Now again, if JON had tweeted that he was letting the girls and their friends swim last night in the 45 degree weather, the sheeple would all fire up their HoverRounds and scoot all the way to PA to have him strung up by his thumbs.

There is no horrible deed Kate could commit that the sheeple would not cobble together some excuse to defend her.

Not racisim, not defrauding people in God's name, not manipulating her fertility treatment, not her lying about infertility because she was pregnant as a teen, not endless journal entries about beating her babies, not her absolute disdain and annoyance for her fans, not her lying about how she does have help for every facet of her life and so on and so on.

At this point, it's a pissing match. They don't give a shiz about her, for them it's about saving face and refusing to admit we were onto something. Whatever.

Mel said...

I truly hope that the kids have been instructed in how to protect themselves should Kate get out of hand. They need to be educated in what the first steps are.

Perhaps SHE didn't purchasd the iphones? Maybe they were bought by someone else so that the kids would always have a means of calling 911....

I agree that the only person who panics when they're out in public is HER.

Think about it....you are out and about. You see a camera crew, sound guys, production assistants, and a woman SHOUTING AND FLAILING HER ARMS. Wouldn't you look to see what's going on?
Especially when there are children present in the group. My first reaction would be to check that the children are safe. You bet I would be staring.

She's nothing but a child abuser. And apparently getting by with it. Which is incredibly discouraging.

You're right, Kate. I DO judge child abusers harshly. Of which you are one. You deserve every bit of harshness and criticism that you get. And probably more.

All This Is That said...

I'm a little bit confused about something. Did Robert go through the trash everywhere they lived -- in Wyomissing, Elizabethtown, and Wernersville? He said that he found the box that she allegedly used to inject herself with the hormone. That would have been in 2003, when they were living in Wyomissing. Or, did she hang on to the box and throw it away after they moved to Wernersville? When was that box recovered from the trash?

FYI said...

Sometimes you've got to wonder what Kate thinks when she sees tweets like this--does she think it's directed at her because she's the only one included in the tweet. This is from a sheeple:


@Kateplusmy8 If you didn't see it w/ your own eyes or hear it w/ your own ears don't invent it w/ your small mind & share w/ your big mouth!

aggiemom09121416 said...

Ch.16 question...
There were plans by Discovery to build and secure enough comped materials to hopefully cover the cost of the 7500 sq foot 'film friendly'house.

How come that idea was scrapped, and they purchased their current home?
I was also surprised to read that they didn't pay for their second home (I surmise it was donations,etc.)
And Jon's dad purchased their first home (is that the savings account that was later questioned about, when Kate said they shouldn't have to use their own money to pay their bills?

Kate's a fool...her ex father in law bought her first house.
Others bought her second.
Her kids bought the third.

dang.

Jumping In said...

OT.....

I did not watch Jon and Kate, nor Kate's show, came here as a result of DWTS, so I have a question.

Last night I watched an online episode of Jon and Kate flying to Utah for a ski holiday. They had 2 helpers, Beth and another woman. At no time was Steve featured in any official capacity, yet there he was, sitting on the aircraft behind Kate as if he was a random passenger, without any interaction with the family whatsoever.

Can anyone tell me when they officially unveiled Steve as their bodyguard? This episode was filmed in 2008. What also struck me is how hands-off Kate was, how the helpers and Jon managed all the kids through their meltdowns, while Kate reclined on 3 seats for awhile, then crying, saying it was "all too much."

Once there, Kate again distanced herself from all the winter activities as much as she possibly could. She made no bones about it, she was there for the spa experience.

So, why was Steve there, looking like he was not in any way with the family, were they keeping the bodyguard thing a secret then?



wayward said...

All This Is That said... 51
I'm a little bit confused about something. Did Robert go through the trash everywhere they lived -- in Wyomissing, Elizabethtown, and Wernersville? He said that he found the box that she allegedly used to inject herself with the hormone. That would have been in 2003, when they were living in Wyomissing. Or, did she hang on to the box and throw it away after they moved to Wernersville? When was that box recovered from the trash?
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Robert started working the Gosselin beat for US mag during the divorce summer of 2009. Any trash he has seems to be from that time on.

How he got the hormone packaging......... I have let my imagination run wild on that one.......... I thought Robert said not only did he have the packaging, but also the packing slips showing the pseudonym Kate used to order them. She is sooooooooooooooo screwed.
Instead of siccing her lawyers on someone and washing her hands of the matter & walking away scot-free- she is being forced to reckon with Robert. He has in his possesion the goods to ruin her. She will have to (gulp) play nice. Hahahahahahahahha.......

Cruisin Just As Fast As She Can Now said...

readerlady said...

I'm settling in for a good, long day of sports here. My Bengals play the Miami Dolphins this afternoon and my Reds go after the Giants for a second win in the NLDS this evening. GO Bengals! Go Reds!

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...and my team goes after Baltimore tonight at Camden Yards. I was so hoping it was going to be against Texas and not the Orioles. It will be a chilly night for going out to the old ballgame! A warm Rumspringa might be better than a cold glass of Budweiser!

Anonymous said...

Is it true that Rob was visited by "the man"?

njay said...

JoyinVirginia said... 33
Cape cod mama and Njay, I was very interested in the Andrea Yates case. She actually was diagnoses with a type of psychosis and could not tell reality from the wild imaginings in her head. When she was properly medicated and realized what she had done, she became suicidal. Her husband had tried to get her help, she had been hospitalized in a psych unit after the birth of her youngest baby. Her delusions were much, much worse than her psychiatrist realized. It is one of the saddest cases I have ever read about. The Houston Chronicle had a series of detailed articles, their coverage was extensive.
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Joy, this is my point. When are people going to stop enabling Kate. There is no reason for her to get mental help. She knows that if she was normal she would not get what she wants. All talk would go away. All ratings would go away and then no show in the future for her. It was the controversy of their divorce and Jon and her behavior that got the ratings.

I don't believe Kate really wants to hurt the children. Did she really want to exploit them, the signs point to yes. The reality can never really be known. Had she take her meds., would she have used them for money. Would she even have had the children. That is something we will, nor do I think she, even knows. SHE DIDN'T TAKE THE MEDS. and now the kids are here. So, Kate, take your meds. You have enough money to live on. If you take your meds. I'm sure your life will not seem so un-doable.

All This Is That said...

How he got the hormone packaging......... I have let my imagination run wild on that one.......... I thought Robert said not only did he have the packaging, but also the packing slips showing the pseudonym Kate used to order them.

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Thanks, Wayward. So she hung onto the package and receipt for six years or more? I wonder why...

FYI said...

Jumping In said... 54

In that episode, you can also see the other bodyguard sitting on Steve's right. I don't remember exactly when Steve was "outed". I also seem to recall that when that episode was later repeated Steve's face was blocked out, as were other times when he got caught on camera--such as the episode where they went to Charm City Cakes for Kate's birthday in 2009.

I think with all the tabloid coverage that ensued after Jon was "caught" eventually caused Steve's name and image to be put out there.

By the way, the other woman helper in that episode was Beth's daughter, Kayla.

All This Is That said...

They had 2 helpers, Beth and another woman. At no time was Steve featured in any official capacity, yet there he was, sitting on the aircraft behind Kate as if he was a random passenger, without any interaction with the family whatsoever.

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Or so it would seem. He did grab one of the twin's arms at one point and I believe she just shrugged him off. That's when people started wondering who he was and he was dubbed Mr. Gray.

NJGal51 said...

What concerns me about the sheeple is one of them is a foster mom and doesn't see anything wrong with the "spankings" and the use of the "spanker". She's also the one that thinks Kate may have installed an indoor pool or checked in to a hotel so the kids could use the pool. Why do I find it hard to believe that she checks in to a hotel (as she said) just so her kids can swim? Who does that unless you're on vacation? I think most towns have some type of public pool. At least she's not one of the really nasty sheeple, just a delusional one.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Thanks, Wayward. So she hung onto the package and receipt for six years or more? I wonder why...
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Maybe Jon found it and hung onto it. Kate says their marriage was doomed practically from the beginning, sextuplets or not. And we saw how she tormented him.

If he ran across that and discovered that she had purposely tried for more eggs on her own I can't imagine how he must have felt. I'd keep the documentation too.

charlottsmom said...

I am over 80% done with the book. I noticed something that wasn't mentioned here. She stated twice "Was worried about being lonely" or something to that effect. How pitiful. She really is mentally ill she is lonely all the time or afraid she will get lonely. Also, I disagree that with the poster about writing everything down. Not many people write everything down, especially brutally abusing their babies. How does the busy one have time to write these things down every night.

Tucker's Mom said...

Dwindle, I'm so sorry for the loss of your beloved dog. Your heart must be broken and I hope you find comfort knowing that so many of us here are thinking about you and truly care.

Tucker's Mom said...

How does the busy one have time to write these things down every night.
*****
A village of volunteers! But, Kate is sure to remind everyone that she wrote this all down being so exhaustedish.
Kate's saying her marriage was doomed from the start is such a fricking slight to Jon. I think you have to be seriously mental to put that out there when you have 8 children!
How does this help them?

wayward said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 53
Ch.16 question...
There were plans by Discovery to build and secure enough comped materials to hopefully cover the cost of the 7500 sq foot 'film friendly'house.

How come that idea was scrapped, and they purchased their current home?
I was also surprised to read that they didn't pay for their second home (I surmise it was donations,etc.)
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Ah yes, I pondered this as well when I read about the proposed construction of the new "green" home that was supposed to wrap around many episodes of R show. TLC sure tried soo hard to foist that green thing on them. And there was Kate with her 50 paper plates a day.

In the various emails between Discovery and other entities, it looked like Discovery wanted a strictly utilitarian house. No frills, no bells, no whistles, no blatant show of wealth. Just like Kate's email that read "yeah, TLC wants us to look as "normal" as possible... wonder how we'll explain the $2 million dollar house :)"

Yeah, I don't think Kate was down with no bells, whistles and blatant displays of wealth. She wanted all of that and more. Plus, the bigger the show got, more info was coming out of Westbrooke about how fake and scripted it was. She had to get out, and fast, not in 6-9 months. I think she blew off the building of the drab 'green' house and went house hunting on her own. Once she found one, owned by Dr. C. as a bonus, I'm sure one of those infamous emails went out from JMC that started with "Mr. and Mrs. Gosselin are well aware of the tremendous success of the show....."


Anonymous said...

Thanks Kate is a twit said... 35 for posting that blog from Kate.
Who does she think she is to think people shouldn't have opinions?? Guess what Kate? Too f'n bad! People have opinions. They can voice their opinions whether you want to hear it or not.
SUCK IT Kate.

She honestly (in kate speak) thinks she should be able to go through life and have NO ONE say a word to her. She is not untouchable. The Royals don't even get that pass in life.

Hey Kate- if you want to be invisible to everyone and not put up with opinions- DISAPPEAR.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And if you don't want opinions on motherhood don't craft your entire persona around being a mother.

Really? said...

charlottsmom said... 64
I am over 80% done with the book. I noticed something that wasn't mentioned here. She stated twice "Was worried about being lonely" or something to that effect. How pitiful. She really is mentally ill she is lonely all the time or afraid she will get lonely.

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Huh? Being lonely or fearing loneliness equates to mental illness?

Jumping In said...


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Cruisin Just As Fast As She Can Now said...

charlottsmom said...

She stated twice "Was worried about being lonely" or something to that effect. How pitiful. She really is mentally ill she is lonely all the time or afraid she will get lonely. Also, I disagree that with the poster about writing everything down.
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She's lonely. She's depressed. She has helpers, but obviously nobody to talk to. She has time to write a daily journal. How many hours a day were the babies in their cribs...plenty of time to write journal entries. She uses a journal as a surrogate friend, therapeutic to the extent that she has to tell someone that she needs help in controlling her anger. She can express her feelings in a journal, but that journal isn't going to talk back or tell anyone else about her neurosis. She's safe.

Jumping In said...

Kate is a twit 60......thanks for the insight and explanation.

TLC stinks said...

Does anyone think she kept a journal for her autobiography some day? She is a narcissist.

Unknown said...

All This Is That said... 59
''How he got the hormone packaging......... I have let my imagination run wild on that one.......... I thought Robert said not only did he have the packaging, but also the packing slips showing the pseudonym Kate used to order them.''
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We discussed this before. If I'm not mistaken, we decided that it was probable that Jon had kept it all w/his stuff, and when KK went into her blind rage, she threw out all his stuff w/o even going through it. She just threw it out because 'it was JON'S'!!
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Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 63
''......If he ran across that and discovered that she had purposely tried for more eggs on her own I can't imagine how he must have felt. I'd keep the documentation too.
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Bingo!

Twittering And Twattering said...

"Why do I find it hard to believe that she checks in to a hotel (as she said) just so her kids can swim? Who does that unless you're on vacation? I think most towns have some type of public pool"

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I think that she was talking about using an indoor pool when the weather outside was too cold to go swimming. Public pools usually don't open until Memorial Day and close after Labor Day when kids go back to school.

"What concerns me about the sheeple is one of them is a foster mom and doesn't see anything wrong with the "spankings" and the use of the "spanker"

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She's scary, not to mention as dumb as the proverbial box of rocks.

Twittering And Twattering said...

We discussed this before. If I'm not mistaken, we decided that it was probable that Jon had kept it all w/his stuff, and when KK went into her blind rage, she threw out all his stuff w/o even going through it. She just threw it out because 'it was JON'S'!!

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She's nuts, but I can't imagine she wouldn't have gone through the stuff to make sure that she wasn't throwing away a stash of cash or gift cards!

gabby2 said...

"Kate is a twit said... 35

I was reading some old posts on Kate's blog to see if there was anything she wrote there that might reference something written in the book. I found this entry "Walk a Day in My Heels""

Funny...that as usual Kate thinks ONLY of herself. She has a thin skin and doesn't want to be judged or criticized....yet every interaction with her children and ex-husband is all about tearing them down, pointing out their faults, giving them a taste of Kate's Discipline.

Also, just like she say in the interview....the only way she can have some fun....is hundreds of miles away from her kids and in the arms of some man.

Aeduko said...

Dwindle, I don't know you or really anyone here, but what helped me when my dog died was making a list called "Things I will Miss About Rudy". Yes, I cried when I started writing it, but then I started laughing when I remembered all the silly things he'd do.

Aeduko (which is a name I came up with using my dogs' names!)

fidosmommy said...

Kate is a twit said... 35
I was reading some old posts on Kate's blog to see if there was anything she wrote there that might reference something written in the book. I found this entry "Walk a Day in My Heels"(dated 10/15/11), and this part was interesting:

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Yes it is interesting. Still more interesting is that it does NOT "read" anything like Kate Gosselin writes. I believe she did not write that piece.

gabby2 said...

Does anyone remember that information came out that Jon knew about a "big secret" of Kate's?? It has to be that he found out about the HCG....

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She even says she journals, she said so in I Just Want You to know. So whatever her reasons, she does journal or at least has.

White Organza said...

All This is That said (59): "Thanks, Wayward. So she hung onto the package and receipt for six years or more? I wonder why..."

Who knows? She's not well mentally. ('Being polite, here...) One could also wonder why on earth did she write these horrific, -albeit "smug"-, diaries chronicling her children's abuse. There's simply no logical explanation. In the case of the HCG, if I had to place a bet on why she kept that package, I would put my money on her NPD. Everything that was hers once must takes some sort of sacred significance in her warped mind. I noticed that on "Hoarders: buried alive". About half of the hoarders were also extreme narcissists... And we all saw in what kind of state was her basement before the organizers came in. She IS a hoarder. Except for what is not hers, like her kids' toys and clothing that are still good enough to bring money from consignement. There.

gabby2 said...

Also, remember how she expected Jon to video tape every aspect of her life...she thinks very highly of herself. She is proud that she "gets" what she wants....everyone else be damned.

Everyone wants to "see" her have fun...ya, that's what we all want Kate.

fidosmommy said...

Could Kate have held onto the packaging and her alias in case she decided she wanted to fool the world once more when she tried for "1 more?"
She'd know where to order from, what name to use, etc. And if Jon found the packaging, she could say it wasn't hers. "I'm not Robin Winkler!"

Unknown said...

gabby2 said... 81
''Does anyone remember that information came out that Jon knew about a "big secret" of Kate's?? It has to be that he found out about the HCG....''
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It could be that. OR it could be Kate's abortion when she was 17. Either of those would qualify as a ''big secret''

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Maybe she kept it as some kind of weird momento. Like some women might keep their pregnancy test, or the condom that broke.

Midnight Madness said...

Maybe she kept it as some kind of weird momento. Like some women might keep their pregnancy test, or the condom that broke.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

True, admin. If she kept photos of the kids' first poop as a memento, she'd keep anything.
On the other hand, though, she throws out kids toys, their artwork, and gifts from their grandfather.

She's just really strange!

chefsummer #Leh said...

Kate wrote that stuff in her book and journal for one reason.

She never thought anyone would call her out or punish her for her bad behavior.

She thought TLC or her lawyers would keep people quite.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Dwindle's hanging in there...didn't get a lot of sleep last night, and is trying to get a grip on life after Idgy. Her other two dogs are confused...
She said she might pop back in tomorrow, but appreciates all the prayers and words of encouragement.

......back to your regularly scheduled programming.....

fidosmommy said...

You know how they say that criminals really do want to confess their crimes, that people just can't keep their crimes to themselves without
great difficulty.

Kate's journals may be her confessional booth.
While in her journal she can lay it all out,
promise to do better and feel absolved.

njay said...


pt 1
I have noticed that a large amount of the mentally ill murders or abuses seem to bring religion into the equation. I have to say that reading about Kate's religious involvement and when it started to get out of hand (using the scripture and God for her own gain)the first thing that came to mind was Andrea Yates. She truly loved her kids.

Many were upset that her husband did not hate her for this tragedy, that is understandable but her husband new the whole story of her illness. How do you stop loving your spouse even though this tragidy happened. He probably had a lot of guilt that the signs were there and he didn't FORCE her doing something about it.

I can't even imagine the battle inside that would cause. The pain of loosing his children yet still loving the part of his wife that wasn't sick. I could see this possibility with Jon. I know he was abused but maybe some of him trying to get help had to do with more than marriage counseling. He loved her and he knew the pain his children would feel if the divorced came. I remember in the interview, not sure which show, he said Kate was fake for the cameras. He said he told her what you say to me in private, let it be the same thing she says on the show.

Another thing I'm not sure anyone caught. In one of the episodes they mentioned that the church they attended taught that you couldn't get divorced and re-married. To me Jon was not only trying to save his marriage, he was trying to live his faith.

I have seen and have experienced this myself. I went through something in my life that I tried overcome and fix and when I couldn't, I let go of my faith. I figured if I can't fix it, I don't want to be a hypocrite so I will let it go. I screwed up my life for 30 years. I'm sure that this is how Jon felt, hence his partying. As I hit rock bottom I turned back to my faith and realized I am a work in progress and I am still loved by my maker but that doesn't mean I don't have to live with the consequences of my bad choices, I do. The same with Jon. He realized his bad choices, made them right and accepts that his children is suffering due to his choices and is trying to do what he can to make it right by his children.

njay said...

pt 2
For those who think he is getting a break. Can you imagine the pain he feels knowing and seeing how his decisions are affecting his children. He knows he deserves it. He has been called a wimp, dushe bag,lazy, accused of not having balls, accused of not doing anything to help his children, put on the list of the most hated person under OJ Simpson and called an unfit father who doesn't pay child support. WHERE'S HIS KARMA? You live with all this and then say karma hasn't hit him yet. And to top it off, he couldn't even try to tell his side. He knows some of these are justifiable.

Wow, I just saw how long this is. Sorry, I'll break it in two. Just one more thing. Can you imagine his pain when he has to take his children to a mother that told him one time, "I was afraid I would hurt your kids". I don't want to even think of having that pain. What I feel right now is bad enough.

KARMA! HECK YEAH!!!!

Rhymes with Witch said...

She's nuts, but I can't imagine she wouldn't have gone through the stuff to make sure that she wasn't throwing away a stash of cash or
gift cards! 77

I doubt that she ever let Jon get his hands on a gift card. I wonder if that's one reason that she used a P.O. box - to keep control of the
mail. I think she went into a rage, sweeping anything "Jon" out of "her" house and "her life.

njay said...

Opps, I meant to say
don't have to live WITHOUT the consequences of my bad choices, I do.

Big my bad. lol

LoveMyGrandsons said...

fidosmommy, I agree that this is probably part of it. I also have another thought on why she journaled and detailed the abuse of her children.

I believe Kate has severe NPD and overestimates her importance in the world. Because she has often described herself as an author (choke) and mother par excellance, I think she was going to write an autobiography because, in her mind, it would fly off the shelves because she is such an "inspiration" to others (as she has often claimed).

My mother, a child abuser, never really thought there was anything wrong with her behavior. She insisted that this happened in everyone's home when parents had a bad day. And if we would just behave and listen to her, she wouldn't lose her temper to begin with. I do believe that although Kate may have written she was afraid of hurting the kids, she did nothing to stop it or try to get help. It was how she handled things and everyone else needs to accept it and deal with it; to her she may have felt justified, so to speak, because the kids were creating unhappiness or stress for her. After all, she never thinks she is wrong.

If she was going to write an autobiography, of course she would clean up some of these passages so they didn't look SO bad. However, because of her NPD, her message would be, as parents, we all lose it once in awhile so don't beat yourself up over it. Look what I have accomplished and look what a wonderful mother I am and how special my kids are.

I could be way off, and may not have expressed my opinions very well, but I do think this is a part of it.

Unknown said...

chefsummer said... 89
''Kate wrote that stuff in her book and journal for one reason.
She never thought anyone would call her out or punish her for her bad behavior.
She thought TLC or her lawyers would keep people quite. ''
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I can't agree with that thought. In my opinion, Kate's documenting the abuse of her babies in her journal started out as her prayers to God to give her strength to control her anger, and help her to be a better mother. However, in Kate's narcissistic way, the prayers for controlling herself became prayers for God to make the babies be good and not make Kate angry.

Others have said, and I agree, that in her narcissistic thinking, her actions would make people feel sorry for all KATE had to endure with those awful kids. I'm convinced that it never even entered her mind that people would be horrified at the violence of her abuse to those two year old toddlers!!


Anonymous said...

A month or so ago she tweeted that she would like to be a spokesperson for bullying.

I think at the time she meant "anti-bullying" but now that she has been outed as abusing her children, she could qualify for 'bully of the year' (among other more serious charges of course).

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Excellent observations njay.

I think with the exception of true sociopaths most people doing wrong are going to look for some kind of comfort or validation. The bible could be Kate's crutch. She used it to justify exploiting the kids by convincing herself this is how god is providing. Same with the abuse, she reached out to god for help.

aggiemom09121416 said...

From: j_gosselin@ comcast.net [mailto:j_gosselin@ comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 7: 35 PM To: Beeber, Jessie F. Subject:

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 10033-10035). . Kindle Edition.
Fw: Questions from the network for Tuesday (or Weds) I told Julie that I'm not answering any of these questions. The network is glorifying my divorce!!! Sent via BlackBerry by AT& T

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 10035-10039). . Kindle Edition.
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were jon and kate still using the same computer june 2009?
..is this why she put the deadbolt on the door?
(assuming Jon did not supply material to Robert for this book?)

Moose Mania said...

I doubt that she ever let Jon get his hands on a gift card

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True, but at that time she was really concerned about him taking money. That's the first thing I would have looked for -- a pile of cash that he had withdrawn from one of the many bank accounts. You just don't throw out boxes and boxes of stuff without knowing what's in them. At least a normal person wouldn't.
Oh, wait...

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Also, to add to my above comment: Kate does think very highly of herself. From her blogs to her interviews to her twitter feed, she really doesn't blame herself for anything. Much less thing she was wrong in her thinking or behavior.

This kind of arrogance and her own opinion of her self-importance, could definitely make her think that a book about her "inspirational" life story would be a best seller and cement her own high opinion of herself.

Unknown said...


LoveMyGrandsons......I agree! We said the same thing..just used different words!

White Organza said...

Midnight Madness (88) : "If she kept photos of the kids' first poop as a memento, she'd keep anything. On the other hand, though, she throws out kids toys, their artwork, and gifts from their grandfather. She's just really strange!"

LOL... and so true, Midnight! Words of wisdom. And when some lost sheeple comes here on, -let's say-, a slow saturday night taunting us as to why we would accuse their darling Katie of doing something that is "not logical", we should always point out to them those "Me and my first poop" photo essay. She's that strange. And almost nothing she does is logical.

fidosmommy said...

So, Lovemygrandsons and Remona Blue, will you two be standing in line to purchase "I Just Want You to Know How Wonderful I Am" when it's published?

Snark, snort, chuckle, lol.

Unknown said...

njay said... 93 pt 2
''For those who think he is getting a break. Can you imagine the pain he feels knowing and seeing how his decisions are affecting his children. He knows he deserves it.''
~~~~~~~~~
I agree that Jon knows he deserves it. That is why he made the PUBLIC apology when he said:
"I would like to apologize to my friends, family, and especially my children for not taking a stand earlier in my life and not questioning my decisions to have our lives documented and displayed," he wrote. "I will have to answer to my children for the rest of my life. I will have to live with this guilt the rest of my life. I am truly sorry!"

fidosmommy said...

"Me and my first poop" photo essay

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Mady missed out on that one. Poor kid. No wonder she gave her mom a hard time when she was younger. Not having your first potty picture in the family album will mess you up.

njay said...

chefsummer said... 89
Kate wrote that stuff in her book and journal for one reason.

She never thought anyone would call her out or punish her for her bad behavior.
-----------------
Here is the reason.

I’d remember what happened each day, it has gone by so quickly that many of the memories have all but faded. With each journal entry, each note, each event and conversation recorded,

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24092-24093). . Kindle Edition.
my kids will have a permanent reminder of my love for them during these early years. But this legacy is far from complete. I’ll continue writing my kids love notes because I just want them to know how much I love them.”

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24093-24095). . Kindle Edition.

KathyB said...

About the boxes of stuff that was trashed containing discs, hard drives, etc.; it is my impression from the book that this stuff was in the apartment over the garage with Jon's stuff. I doubt Kate put it in the trash herself, but rather had one of many helpers pitch everything Jon still had in the apartment.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

fidosmommy, LOL!! Only if I run out of toilet paper and her book is cheaper at Dollar Tree than Charmin at Wal-Mart!!!!

njay said...

I haven't read the whole book yet. I have a question. Has anyone read any mention of psycal abuse with the twins? Was it just the tups?

Tucker's Mom said...

LoveMyGrandsons said... 102
Also, to add to my above comment: Kate does think very highly of herself. From her blogs to her interviews to her twitter feed, she really doesn't blame herself for anything.
*******
I was really fascinated with what I saw of Kate's Katie Couric interview. That she truly believes that people would be fascinated watching her date. I thought, omg, who the heck wants to watch her do anything especially without the kids.
Also, did anyone else catch Kate first saying she's got no time to date, but then goes on to pitch/beg for a dating show?
Sure, I'll date. On TV. If you are paying me.
Good grief!

Unknown said...

njay said... 111
''I haven't read the whole book yet. I have a question. Has anyone read any mention of psycal abuse with the twins? Was it just the tups?''
~~~~~
She talks about adding another spoon in the BBB, and says that after using it a few times on Mady, she ''happied up''.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

njay, I don't have the book at all so I only know from this blog what is in it.

Now, I may be wrong, but my feeling is that she probably wasn't all that great to the twins, either. However, in her mind, her life didn't really start until the tups brought her fame. Quite possibly her journal just starts from that point on. After all, we saw on the show that the twins weren't that important because they weren' the true moneymakers.

Again, I could very well be wrong so don't hestitae to let me khow if someone else has other info.

fidosmommy said...

Lovemygrandsons, Good answer, good answer!

Kathy B, don't you bet it was Carla, and maybe Ashley too, that Kate told to empty the apartment? They would have no reason to go through things, cull, save. They pitched, just as they were probably instructed to do with no clue that they were handing it all over to a very interested person.

And that would also clear Jon of any participation.

wayward said...

njay said... 111
I haven't read the whole book yet. I have a question. Has anyone read any mention of psycal abuse with the twins? Was it just the tups?
==========================================
We will never know for sure... but every report and second hand account I have ever heard/read witnessing Jon and Kate with the twins, said they absolutely doted on those girls. People couldn't seem to say enough about what good parents they were and how devoted they were to their babies. I also heard that the girls began speaking very early and clearly too, signals that they were read to often and had alot of adult engagement.

gabby2 said...

I predict FakeKate's new favorite word will be: "FUN!!!!!!"

aggiemom09121416 said...

Seems like I read the part about her telling Jon to get his stuff out of the garage apt...if I remember correctly, it was raining and at night. (he was 'pissed' due to his custody starting the next day, but she wanted him out right then).

LoveMyGrandsons said...

wayward, thank you for the info on the twins. In my #114 post, I was obviously incorrect on how the twins were treated before the tups came along. Thank you for the information.

Twittering And Twattering said...

Kate tweeted...

kateplusmy8
http://t.co/x33qn9HR(preview) Here is pic of us baking with Trild! :) @deannatweeting
syd_cadogar02

Then xxxxx tweeted...
@Kateplusmy8 Does Hannah have braces now?!?

Sheesh! Look the photo! If those aren't braces on her teeth, what do you think they are?

What is WITH these people? You just wonder how they manage to take care of themselves.

aggiemom09121416 said...

He’s also pissed because she wouldn’t let him stay in the garage apartment one last night. His custody starts again at 6 am on Sunday but she made him leave the house and forced him to get all of his things out of the apartment at night, in the rain and cold, alone.

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 9423-9425). . Kindle Edition.

Unknown said...

fidosmommy said... 115
''......And that would also clear Jon of any participation.
~~~~~~~~~
Robert's own words from his GOSSELIN BOOK site, when he prints copies of his email to Radar.....

http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/

''.....As for Kate Gosselin's journal, I think you know that I was given and passed a lie detector test by AMI specifically focusing on the acquisition and content of Kate's journal.''

''....Regarding Jon, as stated clearly in the book, he had absolutely nothing to do with personally giving me any information whatsoever for the book.''

LaLaLandNoMore said...

Kate embellishes everything. Thus, "homemade pizza". I could go on and on. Someone in my family (extended) does this. I see it as a sign of needing extra attention!

Anyway, who cares what type of food she is eating? Are we making her more important than she really is? True stars don't brag like Kate does. They don't have the need. She is disgusting with her "tweets."

Moi said...

''....Regarding Jon, as stated clearly in the book, he had absolutely nothing to do with P E R S O N A L L Y giving me any information whatsoever for the book.''

Robert seems to be playing with words here.

wayward said...

LoveMyGrandsons said... 119
wayward, thank you for the info on the twins. In my #114 post, I was obviously incorrect on how the twins were treated before the tups came along. Thank you for the information.
_______________________________________

You weren't incorrect at all :) We'll never know what went on there. What I heard may not be correct at all.

It sort of makes sense though, if it is true that Kate's ugly demons didn't rear their head when the twins were little. Kate worked full time after having the twins and up until getting pg. with the tups. Jon watched the girls during the day and later Jodi watched them. I think this was an ideal situation for Kate, she could come home from work and enjoy them. Not spending 24/7 with them where someone like her with a hair-trigger temper could be more prone to losing it.

To find out the real truth though, we'll need to wait until one of those talented young writers publishes a book....... ;)

Unknown said...

Moi said... 124
''....Regarding Jon, as stated clearly in the book, he had absolutely nothing to do with P E R S O N A L L Y giving me any information whatsoever for the book.''
Robert seems to be playing with words here.
~~~~~~~~
I see what you're saying, but I think he is not ''playing with words'', instead I think that Robert is being carefully FACTUAL.

Think about this.....Jon made the backup disks and had everything that he had saved in his apartment over the garage. Kate threw Jon out, and he wasn't allowed to remove his things. Kate threw Jon's things out, and Robert got the garbage

Therefore, all that stuff belonged to Jon, but Jon didn't PERSONALLY give the trash to Robert.

Formerly Duped said...

I think if the Spanker went along in the BBB, I imagine it was used on everyone, and often.

Anonymous said...

I'm so disappointed in those who complained about the Dwindle posts. You've never heard of scrolling? How do you think most of us felt with the faux drunken rumspringa trip? At least this thread was about something that was real.

fidosmommy said...

Re: info on discs

Does it say Jon had to pack up EVERYTHING from the apartment leaving it neat as a pin? Every dish, every throw rug, every piece of paper? If not, Kate may have been perfectly good with him getting his clothes, his furniture, his golf clubs, etc. out of there and leaving the cupboard cleaning to her hired help on another day.

Just Down The Road said...

Kate tweeted...

kateplusmy8
http://t.co/x33qn9HR(preview) Here is pic of us baking with Trild! :) @deannatweeting
syd_cadogar02

Then xxxxx tweeted...
@Kateplusmy8 Does Hannah have braces now?!?

Sheesh! Look the photo! If those aren't braces on her teeth, what do you think they are?

What is WITH these people? You just wonder how they manage to take care of themselves.


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

LOL!! Another one!

balletbrooksie
@Kateplusmy8 hi kate. does hannah have braces?!

linda said...

The TLC agreement sound like a one sided pre-nup, and they are contract employees, will receive the 1099 and responsible for their own taxes, SS, medicare etc. Wow!! Whar a deal!!
Thanks for the comments.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Border collie 128

oh, it was just one or two compared to the many many many that posted words of support.

Dwindle says she will try to be back with us tomorrow. She didn't get a lot of sleep, has a headache, and her dogs are lost looking for their buddy. She's also talked to her kids, so that's emotional.
I am in awe of the outpouring of genuine support and concern.
The dog she lost, she's had since it was about 1yr old...HunnyBunny rescued it off the side of the road.

njay said...

chefsummer said... 17
@MyTirNaNog 1st takes more2make me ‘uncalm’

She sure admitted a mouthful there. Why does she need to get "uncalm" taking the kids to a movie?
h
Better question. Why does she get so upset taking them to a movie, and how does she release her anger when she takes them to a movie?

aggiemom09121416 said...

and her dogs are lost looking for their buddy.
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uh....duh. I really need to quit multi-tasking! no, the dogs are not 'lost'. but they are wondering where their furry sibling.

Unknown said...

fidosmommy said... 129
''Re: info on discs
Does it say Jon had to pack up EVERYTHING from the apartment leaving it neat as a pin? Every dish, every throw rug, every piece of paper? If not, Kate may have been perfectly good with him getting his clothes, his furniture, his golf clubs, etc. out of there and leaving the cupboard cleaning to her hired help on another day''
~~~~~~
fidosmommy, for the life of me, I can't make the search thingie work on Robert's book. I'm scrolling till I find the actual entry. When I find it, I will copy it here.

Meanwhile, if anyone else knows the place in the book where Robert talks about it, please let us know where it is.

aggiemom09121416 said...

He’s also pissed because she wouldn’t let him stay in the garage apartment one last night. His custody starts again at 6 am on Sunday but she made him leave the house and forced him to get all of his things out of the apartment at night, in the rain and cold, alone.

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 9423-9425). . Kindle Edition.
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is this the passage?

Midnight Madness said...

@133 --

I think in that tweet she wasn't talking about the movie and being "uncalm." The person tweeting her was asking about why she had money for tanning, etc., but not to take the kids to the movies. The subject of finances came up, and the tweeted told her to calm down because Kate was defensive about how she was spending HER money. I don't think it had anything to do with her being upset at the movies.
At least that's how I interpreted it.

Rhymes with Witch said...

136

Then anything he left behind she would have considered trash. I can easily imagine her calling Carla and saying please get this crap
out of here and to the trash it went.

LancasterCountyMom said...

Dwindle - I am so so sorry to hear about your pupper. :(


amyf,

I watched the video you posted - Perry is a beautiful dog!!

BuckeyeMom said...

Mrs. Malaprop said:
Welcome out of lurkdom BuckeyeMom! I'm from a place 1/2 way between Cleveland & Columbus. : ) Starts with an M, ends with a D.
*****************************************

Sounds like were in the same town, small world! without giving to much away do you live in town or out? I am just catching up on all of the
comments. It was homecoming this weekend and we have been a little busy. I have to admit my daughter looked gorgeous.

wayward said...

Remona Blue said... 126
Moi said... 124
''....Regarding Jon, as stated clearly in the book, he had absolutely nothing to do with P E R S O N A L L Y giving me any information whatsoever for the book.''
Robert seems to be playing with words here.
~~~~~~~~
I see what you're saying, but I think he is not ''playing with words'', instead I think that Robert is being carefully FACTUAL.

Think about this.....Jon made the backup disks and had everything that he had saved in his apartment over the garage. Kate threw Jon out, and he wasn't allowed to remove his things. Kate threw Jon's things out, and Robert got the garbage

Therefore, all that stuff belonged to Jon, but Jon didn't PERSONALLY give the trash to Robert.
____________________________________________

YES! This makes perfect sense.

I think throwing someone out and refusing to let them have their stuff is illegal. I say this, keeping in mind that Kate is exempt from all of the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

So, for MOST people, evicting someone and not allowing them to have their stuff is illegal. I looove irony. I love that Kate did this hateful thing to the father of her children (but remember, she told that sheeple "to be kind to your ex") thinking as usual that she is Teflon and untouchable. And this very act is what is going to bring her down and get her in HUGE trouble with TLC/Discovery. You just couldn't write a better script for Khatie!

Parent In Lancaster County said...

How do you think most of us felt with the faux drunken rumspringa trip?

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It wasn't real? Shoot. I guess I should I ask for the Rumspringa Brewing Company to refund my money, even though I really enjoyed that Harvest Gold Rumspringa!

LancasterCountyMom...miserable day, huh? Low of 36 tonight. Betcha if that party were today, she still would have held a swim-a-thon.

Unknown said...

Found it!

Jon & Kate Gosselin PA Reporting April 2010 Jon is extremely upset with Kate because she threw him out of the house in front of Mady and Cara when she got home. She came in the house and walked over to him and said “I’m home, get out.” He’s also pissed because she wouldn’t let him stay in the garage apartment one last night. His custody starts again at 6 am on Sunday but she made him leave the house and forced him to get all of his things out of the apartment at night, in the rain and cold, alone.

Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 9422-9425). . Kindle Edition.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think throwing someone out and refusing to let them have their stuff is illegal. I say this, keeping in mind that Kate is exempt from all of the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

&&&

I'm not sure if that's true if you're still married.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

This has been talked about briefly in the past but not enough IMO. If anyone ever tried to sue over this contract they might be able to get the judge to throw out the contract as "unconscionable." I.e. the agreement is so one-sided that it is unfair for one of the parties. This actually does happen sometimes in the complex area of contract litigation.

That's why when people say oh well it's Jon and Kate's fault, I pause, because that's not necessarily what the law says. The law does give some basic protections for really unfair contracts.

Wowser said...

Everyone is assuming (hoping) the kids will write a tell-all at some point (myself included)....anyone think that ol kontract Katie had the kids all sign CA's at some point anticipating that that would happen? Considering other kids can't even attend a party at the compound without signing one, I would not put it past her.

Unknown said...

wayward said... 141
''........So, for MOST people, evicting someone and not allowing them to have their stuff is illegal. I looove irony. I love that Kate did this hateful thing to the father of her children (but remember, she told that sheeple "to be kind to your ex") thinking as usual that she is Teflon and untouchable. And this very act is what is going to bring her down and get her in HUGE trouble with TLC/Discovery. You just couldn't write a better script for Khatie!''
~~~~~~~~
Right! It IS ironic that KK's hateful blind raging behavior is responsible for everything being made public. Another ironic thing is that if Robert is forced to go to court, that very act will cause ''discovery'' by his attorneys, and TLC/DISCOVERY will end up with ALL the stuff Robert got from the trash public at the 'trial'. Don't forget that he said what was in his book was only 10% of what was saved on those things he got from the trash! They have GOT to know that Robert holds all the cards!!

That is what I call payback is a bitch!!

fidosmommy said...

Thanks, Remona Blue.

So, whatever Jon decided he didn't want, or that was not his, could have been left behind, causing Miss Kate to blow her top that he didn't do what she ordered, and SOMEBODY took it to the trash.

I seriously doubt Jon would have been able to haul every little thing out of there in his rather small car. Some things were going to have to be left behind.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

How do you think most of us felt with the faux drunken rumspringa trip? At least this thread was about something that was real.


&&&

Eh, it was pretty real when I had to take Auntie Anne's keys.

aggiemom09121416 said...

ol kontract Katie had the kids all sign CA's at some point anticipating that that would happen?
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they aren't members of SAG, and minors can't enter a legal contract...

If she DID do that, it just further proves those kids are strictly a meal ticket.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


She sure admitted a mouthful there. Why does she need to get "uncalm" taking the kids to a movie?
h
Better question. Why does she get so upset taking them to a movie, and how does she release her anger when she takes them to a movie?


&&&

Exactly. So much of what she's tweeted and said aligns perfectly with what she says in her journals. She's all but admitted that she's come unglued.

Parent In Lancaster County said...

Everyone is assuming (hoping) the kids will write a tell-all at some point (myself included)....anyone think that ol kontract Katie had the kids all sign CA's at some point anticipating that that would happen? Considering other kids can't even attend a party at the compound without signing one, I would not put it past her.

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The kids aren't 18. Those attending a party wouldn't sign a contract. Even if they did, legally, it's not valid.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Admin #149 - I heard those stories about Auntie Ann; thanks for confirming it!! LOL!!!!

Parent In Lancaster County said...

I think throwing someone out and refusing to let them have their stuff is illegal. I say this, keeping in mind that Kate is exempt from all of the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

&&&

I'm not sure if that's true if you're still married.

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A friend is going through this right now. Unless there is a court order, she cannot keep him out of the residence or keep him from removing his personal belongings.

Anonymous said...

Dwindle I'm so sorry about your little baby. They are here with us for such a short time, so all we can do is love them, take care of them, and be kind to them!
Once they are gone keep them in our hearts and remember all the good times! They are a part of our families!!

RIP: Little baby

Let's throw tomatoes

Rhymes with Witch said...

Unless there is a court order, she cannot keep him out of the residence or keep him from removing his personal belongings. 154

Unless, of course, you're Kate, who was probably screaming like a banshee in front of the twins.
And she does seem to be immune from many of PA's laws, speeding and parking.for example..

Timely article reviewing 2 new books about asshats. Both focus on entitlement.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2012/10/ascent_of_the_a_word_by_geoffrey_nunberg_and_assholes_a_theory_by_aaron_james_reviewed_.html

carolina peach said...

Sorry if this has been brought up. Bravo tv channel Thursday night 11:00 pm. Andy Cohen's live show, "Watch What Happens" Kate is supposed to be a guest. This is a LIVE show. Online, there is an "after show" that will be available on Fri am, I think. Morgan Fairchild will also be his guest. What do you bet she gets a freebee hair, etc that day? Wonder if she is scheduled for other appearances while in NYC. You knos she won't be going there for just one appearance. Somebody, please call the show, get by the screener and gush and then tell Morgan that Kate looks like HER mother! Thing is, she does look older than Morgan. Bt she doesn't even know who Morgan is and won't bother to find out.

carolina peach said...

ooooo forgot to mention this. Andy Cohen, Bravo TV Chanel host of Watch What Happens - Kate's live appearance on Thursday night 11 pm. He always gives his guests a gift. Wonder if she'll bet a bedazzled red spoon? Me-OW

FYI said...

carolina peach said... 157

Kate will also be running the Run RocknRoll NYC 10K on Saturday. She'll be in NYC for a couple of days at least.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate's going to be on with Andy Cohen?. Blech. Any excuse to leave the kids and you know she's going to be working Andy to get that dating show she's been unabashedly begging for.

aggiemom09121416 said...

Kate journals about one of the girls getting a gash in her head. They let it ooze all night, and it's still oozing in the morning, so she calls a trauma nurse and asks her to stop by on the way home.
Another instance, Kate takes one of the girls to the ped, she has pneumonia. One of the boys gets it the next day, she calls the ped so they can just call in a rx....they say, ped wont do that for a kid they haven't 'seen'...

Now, I have twins, and when they were little, they always shared germs (yea!), and my dr would call in rx's, because they knew what was going on....did this particular dr not want to call it in because he had never SEEN this child? you could interpret it either way...

And the gash on the head....shouldn't Kate, as a NURSE, know if stitched are needed?? All she can say is 'whoops!'.

And then she lets one of the twins suffer for one miserable month with a stomach ache.

wtf?

Wowser said...

Haha...just watched this old interview with Kate....listen to what she says about dating. lOLOL. If this is what we can expect from her then there is no way in Hell that a dating show will get off the ground! Priceless...."blahblahblah"

Wowser said...

Oops...forgot to post the link..my bad



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbts9Ko54iM&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Where's Jon, No More Kate said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 149
How do you think most of us felt with the faux drunken rumspringa trip? At least this thread was about something that was real.
&&&
Eh, it was pretty real when I had to take Auntie Anne's keys.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LOL I'm so sorry I missed that.

The twit's tweets said...

aggiemom09121416 said... 161

Kate journals about one of the girls getting a gash in her head. They let it ooze all night, and it's still oozing in the morning, so she calls a trauma nurse and asks her to stop by on the way home.
Another instance, Kate takes one of the girls to the ped, she has pneumonia. One of the boys gets it the next day, she calls the ped so they can just call in a rx....they say, ped wont do that for a kid they haven't 'seen'...

Now, I have twins, and when they were little, they always shared germs (yea!), and my dr would call in rx's, because they knew what was going on....did this particular dr not want to call it in because he had never SEEN this child? you could interpret it either way...

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I always felt that the Dr was being cautious and when Kate said she heard crackling in the tup's lungs that he didn't want to be liable for prescribing just an antibiotic for a child who could be needing much stronger medical care, ie: hospitalization, etc. AND, if the Dr was familiar with Kate and her insistence that she knew better than him or his staff, he may have been trying to make a point that he would not be told what to do, especially by a mom who didn't bring her children to see the Dr. very often.

aggiemom09121416 said...

I just thought her attitude was strange, said the nurses, front desk help would interrogate her, blah blah, who thinks like this?

None of my kids have had pneumonia, so you are probably right in your accessment regarding the dr calling in an rx.
My kids spent so much time in the dr's office, sometimes he would go ahead and give me the rx slip in case the other twins got it, lol.
I find it funny that she says she finally got what she wanted in regard to the second child...which in fact she didn't, lol. (dr saw the child, she didn't get the called-in meds).

Kate did herself no favors in dumping on her area's medical offices. What an idiot (and she's a nurse!)

anger issues kate said...

Lovemygrandsons: Love how Kate never, took some of the blame for the divorce, even on Katie: it was: there were red flags, almost from the start. Does this mean start of the marriage(before the twins were born) or the start of the TV show. Perhaps Kates red flags: was Jon not wanting to do more than a special and maybe a year of TV, and then go back to regular living. You know make a little money then, quit. Kate got the fame bug or did TLC take Kate aside and tell her they will make her a star, make her rich, give her anything she wants. We will give you this if you get rid of anyone or thing that is in your way.

Lalandnomore: Kate is tryin to convince everyone that she is 1. a good cook & 2. a good mother, who makes nutritional pizza for her kids. Thus the abuse of the word homemade & the word yum.

It's like watching the Duggars, and having everyone in the family tryin to convince people watching that everything is fun. I don't know how many times someone on that show says it was fun. I would like the older ones to sound more adult, by saying it was interesting, very educational, it was work, it was an adventure, not everything was fun. Sorry but some things are not fun.

fidosmommy said...

Pneumonia can be viral or bacterial. Antibiotics work against bacterial, not viral.
Dr. likely opposed handing out potentially
useless meds, prolonging the time before a sick child got a proper medical assessment.

The doctor's office may know all about Kate, and the staff may have been protecting the doctor from a particularly nasty Kate that day.
Just a thought. A good staff will not allow a pushy person to disrupt the office protocol.
Most are extremely efficient at it.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

anger issues, you are right. TLC promised Kate the world as long as she was willing to play by their rules. The iron was "hot" and they had to keep striking to get as much money as they could before the kids got too old to be as appealing as when they were younger. Kate was willing to sacrifice everything to remain in the spotlight. Whatever happened to Twist of Kate? She couldn't capture the attention of the audience and when the test pilot was reviewed, the producers were smart enough to know it. She was nothing without those kids, and she knows it, which is why she keeps publicly talking and tweeting about them. No one will give her anything on her own.

Over In Kate's County said...

"Now, I have twins, and when they were little, they always shared germs (yea!), and my dr would call in rx's, because they knew what was going on..."

"My kids spent so much time in the dr's office, sometimes he would go ahead and give me the rx slip in case the other twins got it, lol."

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At one time they may have done this, especially if the physician was someone you had known all of your life, but not anymore. They are very cautious about prescribing anything without seeing the child...medical liability. In fact, it's not just true of pediatricians. I had my usual bout with bronchitis/cough (get it every year at this time) and I called for some prescription cough/cold medicine. Nope. They wouldn't budge, not without seeing me.

Over In Kate's County said...

She was nothing without those kids, and she knows it, which is why she keeps publicly talking and tweeting about them. No one will give her anything on her own.

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Would they sign her to a dating show if she took the kids along? :)

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Anonymous said...

I have 3 kids, my pediatrician practice would never call in an Rx. They wanted to evaluate the child in person. Sure, sometimes it was viral, we left with nothing other than "give it a few more days and call us back". Note, I am not a nurse (I do have lots of good common sense, and good intuition!), I was happy to be seen.

My take on Khate's pediatrician complaints are that the "new" practice (since moving to Andrew Ave house) had a different procedure than the "old" practice in Wyomissing. She wanted to do what she wanted to do, and the office had a different set of procedures in place.

JMHO.


LoveMyGrandsons said...

LoyalLurker, welcome and please don't let this be your last post. We love new opinions and new blogger friends!

Call Me Crazy said...

Welcome Loyal Lurker! I hope you will continue to post.

Anonymous said...

I didn't even recognize the 3 tup girls! They sure have grown.
Yeah, I would not watch a show with those kids, no offense, but I don't care enough about watching other people's mass quantity of children (Duggars) for entertainment. A special, maybe, I can understand.
Kate can disappear with those children, no one will know who they are.

LancasterCountyMom said...

Parent In Lancaster County said... 142
"LancasterCountyMom...miserable day, huh? Low of 36 tonight. Betcha if that party were today, she still would have held a swim-a-thon."

EXTREMELY miserable (though one of my kids & some friends bought some burgers & grilled them out on the deck in the rain). Glad I went to the Ren Faire yesterday - it was a beautiful afternoon, but as the sun was going down, it got pretty darn chilly.
36 tonight??? =:o

fidosmommy said...

It's always nice to see new people here. Over the years most have been truly delightful to "chat" with on here.

Welcome Loyal Lurker. Please use your keyboard as well as your computer screen! Join in!

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Why did AMI give Robert a lie detector test? Does anyone know? Why was AMI involved?

aggiemom09121416 said...

Over In Kate's County said... 170

"Now, I have twins, and when they were little, they always shared germs (yea!), and my dr would call in rx's, because they knew what was going on..."

"My kids spent so much time in the dr's office, sometimes he would go ahead and give me the rx slip in case the other twins got it, lol."
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I guess I need to further explain it was ordinary stuff, mostly sore throats and ear aches, that sort of thing. When I took in one twin, he'd say, here's a script in case the other gets it...I also need to say it was a small town, I babysat one of his daughters while they went to a medical conference out of state, and we went to the same church.


readerlady said...

The thing that struck me about KK's account of Mady's month long stomach pain was her indifference to it. She said Mady drug around, turned down a chance to do something fun with Aunt Jodi and Cara (go to the Mall, I think) and said something to the effect that her mind wanted to do it but her body just wouldn't let her! When a normal, active, lively kid like Mady says her body won't let her do something that should have thrown up (pun intended)a whole host of red flags, but KK ignored it. And for those of you who will complain that Jon should have taken her to the doctor -- KK was a nurse and she'd pull the nurse card "Who's the nurse here? I say there's nothing wrong with her. When did you get your RN?" -- what was he supposed to think/do/believe?

For those asking about the twins' treatment when they were little -- Jon said on the show that his dad adored the twins and spent a lot of time with them. That probably also made a big difference in their development, too. I remember one picture shown on one of the specials where Dr. G was in a recliner with a book and both girls snuggled in with him. Robert's book really doesn't mention the twins' treatment much other than the few times KK complained about Mady's attitude and her whipping her until she "happied up". Cara's hardly mentioned at all. Of course, that fits with what we saw on the show. As soon as the tups were born, the twins became yesterday's news in KKs mind. I think the most real reaction I heard/saw on that show was when Jon asked in a horrified voice "what have we done to the twins?"

Unknown said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 179
''Why did AMI give Robert a lie detector test? Does anyone know? Why was AMI involved?''
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Robert was given the lie detector test in order to prove that he obtained Kate's journal and the other things legally. Don't quote me, but I believe it was given before Amazon would sell his book. If I've got it wrong, anyone don't hesitate to correct me, please.

Tucker's Mom said...

butterfly said... 176
I didn't even recognize the 3 tup girls! They sure have grown.
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That's what gets me. The kids are really changing and there's Kate, still putting their pictures out there. The kids would stand a chance of going out in public incognito if she'd just stop tapping those damn fingers!
Welcome to lurkers!

Unknown said...

I wonder if the reason Robert doesn't mention the twins much in his book is because KK's journal was started about the ''littles'' while 'writing' Multiple Blessings.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Remona, thanks. Is Amazon owned by AMI?

Over In Kate's County said...

.I also need to say it was a small town, I babysat one of his daughters while they went to a medical conference out of state, and we went to the same church.

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Right. When it's a small town, family doctor you know on a personal basis, it makes a world of difference.

In the case of a large pediatric practice, with several physicians in the group, and many, many patients, it's a different story. Often times you're just a number.

gabby2 said...

Didn't Kate hurt Mady's arm in Alaska?

And someone mentioned here little Collin had a cast or something on his arm? What was that about?

Anonymous said...

I feel I have to say this.

You know, if you love your kids, and I mean you love with that unconditional aspect of love then call me weird that you need to keep "reminding" your kids that, "don't forget I love you."

Your kids probably wouldn't need to be reminded with lunch box notes and messages from you every day because if you love them so much then they would already know that and you wouldn't need to do that.

It's like the guy who beats his wife one night then brings her flowers the next morning and says he just loves her so much and she just makes him so crazy.

You only feel the need to continously point out your love for your kids your spouse or whatever because you are obviously trying to hope that they feel loved when in possible reality they don't and will remember how harshly you treated them.

So I guess her lunch box notes sort of always bothered me a bit. Maybe it's nothing and I'm reaching but I don't know if doing that to your kid everyday (with maybe the exception of once in a while, or their birthday or whatever when they are little) do most mom's or dad's who pack their kids lunch, does everyone drop a "love note" into their kids lunch box?

Unknown said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 185
''Remona, thanks. Is Amazon owned by AMI?''
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I think that AMI is the company that gives lie detector tests. I don't know who owns Amazon. I suppose you could google and find out all you want to know, but I'm no expert on anything. Also, I'm talking WAY too much!!

gabby2 said...

Marie, what about how FakeKate has to constantly tell everyone how her kids are always telling her what a wonderful mother she is.....reminds me of Mommy Dearest.

Anonymous said...

Marie #188 -

In elementary & middle school, I would occasionally put in a cute (rubber stamping is my hobby) note stuck to a small, wrapped piece of candy. Usually on a day of a test, or during a rough week. "Hang in there", "you're sweet" kind of stuff.

Not every day - I wanted it to be special, not routine.

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Marie, I understand what you are saying, but I am one of those people that slip notes into lunches. When I packed my daughter's lunch, I would put a note in their maybe once a week. Maybe twice if she did something special that she was proud of. My hubs used to take lunch every day and I would also put a note in his lunch maybe once a week. Just what I thought were sweet little notes to both of them, wishing them a good day and that I love them. What was sweet is I ocaissionally find a note in my briefcase from my daughter, in her 8 year old handwriting, telling me that she loves me to "peaces". These sweet little notes always brought tears to my eyes.

Anyhow, I didn't do it every day, but I still will drop a note in the hubs lunchbox every so often.

Anyway, that's just me. I also do not believe Kate took the time to do this unless the cameras were filming it.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Remona, no problem. AMI is a huge entertainment conglomerate. It owns Radar and Star Mag. and others that were listed on a different article here which I can't find. Was just trying to figure out why the heck they'd give a lie detector test. If Radar on Line requested the lie detector test (since they broke story about book) and Robert passed I'm just curious why Radar is giving Robert such a hard time and implying insinuating things in a negative light towards Robert.

fidosmommy said...

My mom didn't put notes in my lunch. But she
made me a tasty lunch and sent me out the door with a kiss after a calm, rational morning. She let me know she loved me by leading my Girl Scout troop, officiating at my swim meets, teaching me to do things that interested us,
encourage me daily, listening to my little fears or joys, giving me just enough freedom to feel independent, but restrained enough to feel safe.

Nope, no notes. Just her. Although notes would have been the cherry on top, I guess.

Anonymous said...

I didn't mean offened anyone and I guess from my situations in life I find love notes in lunch boxes a bit much yet maybe more so from Kate's point that she seemed to slave over it or make it sound like it was something she slaved over like everything else in life. It's nice if you do it for your ids and I am sure they appreciate it. Again I didn't mean make it sound like it's completely wrong because it probably isn't.

About the fact, Kate says the kids love her, it's coming from Kate's mouth. Or more or less her fingertips. Sure you can say, "my kids think I'm the greate mom in the world," or whatever...not that I watched the show a great deal but, I don't think I ever heard her kids claim or state endlessly in fashion as Kate claims that they loved her while being filmed. Unless I missed it and unless TLC never filmed those moments whatever I remember being a kid and I never on a daily bases said I loved my mother as much as Kate's kids say they do.

Of course, my mother never returned that gesture either so maybe I'm bitter I suppose it's possible.

But Kate can say her kids say such about anything it doesn't always mean just because you say "my kid said this," I get the feeling from Kate it might not be as true. Such as her shoving down interviewer's throat that her kids love filming, they bawled their eyes out when it stopped. But I lean toward more the fact she's probably just put those words in their mouths, maybe.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

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Yes, another lurker shares the heartbreak
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Please accept my condolences dear DWINDLE, may the Lord be with you. What a blessing it must be to you to know how many, many loving thoughts were sent to you in this blog!

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Unknown said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 193
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Robert answers that question on his blog, when he prints copies of his emails to ROL. It is the entry after his 'blog on blog' entry

http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/2012/10/radar-i-love-you-but-lets-keep-it-real.html

Over In Kate's County said...

buzzedbunny
@Kateplusmy8 I bet your pool is heated, makes it easier to enjoy longer in Pa.

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Not really! You can extend the summer season, but for many, it isn't worth the expense to heat a pool when the air temp is in the low to mid 50s. Swimming during those temps just isn't enjoyable.

I wonder if those kids are in the pool tonight. It's 45 degrees, been rain/misting most of the day, but that's never bothered Kate before.

A Question That Should Be Answered said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 193
Remona, no problem. AMI is a huge entertainment conglomerate. It owns Radar and Star Mag. and others that were listed on a different article here which I can't find. Was just trying to figure out why the heck they'd give a lie detector test. If Radar on Line requested the lie detector test (since they broke story about book) and Robert passed I'm just curious why Radar is giving Robert such a hard time and implying insinuating things in a negative light towards Robert.

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Perhaps AMI gave Robert a lie detector test in conjunction with a contract with him. Notice that Robert says the proceeds from the "project" will be donated. What is "the project?" Is it only the book? If so, couldn't that mean that he is pocketing any $ he makes selling stories to ROL, Star, etc.?

His cries of financial desperation and his jumping at the opportunity to set up a Paypal button for donations certainly make me wonder...

LoveMyGrandsons said...

Marie, Sweetie, there was no offense taken. Little notes were just something I did because I wanted to be different than my mother was. I just wanted to surprise my daughter with a sweet note; and my hubs, too!

However, I do agree with you that I don't believe Kate does all of these little things for her kids. She just puts on this act for public consumption hoping that people will buy it, and her sheeple always do.

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