'I know without a doubt that we did the right thing.'
We will do a “book club” style discussion of a few chapters at a time as we read the book together. You are free to read with the group or skip ahead. You are also free to discuss whatever you like, however if you want to partake in the book club discussion, this thread is here to discuss the designated chapters. Robert Hoffman’s book “Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World” was available on Amazon for Kindle, but has been suspended with an unknown date when it will be available again. The Kindle app is free for multiple platforms, including PCs.
8. Show Me the Money!!!!! Part 1
Kate has been marketing the sextuplets even before they were
born. She invited dozens of media to their first birthday party. She requested
a 15-passenger van and that people give Target gift cards in lieu of sending
gifts.
Kate was extremely paranoid that
other families with multiples could steal her thunder. Betty Hayes, a New Jersey mother of
sextuplets and two sets of twins, called Kate asking about their first special
and about being paid and receiving freebies. Kate writes that she is “mad” that
the Hayes are getting another special, and “I am merely trying to provide
for my family and rely on the Lord to do so! He is in control and I HATE this
competition pressure I am forced to deal with!
After the first Discovery special aired and did well, talks
commenced for a second special and a 20-episode contract. Discovery agreed to
pay the family $2,000 an episode, with many things comped including Disney
World and the grocery shopping trip to Giant. Kate was involved in a lot of
back and forth e-mails with producer Jen Stocks about episode ideas and money.
As time went on, Kate grew more demanding about what things Discovery would
comp. She also continued to take checks and cash from fans, friends and
relatives, sometimes checks for several hundred dollars or more.
In October 2006, Kate’s grandmother died. Kate wrote this
about the funeral: “Her service was
nice except that our mother tried to preach to us children through her tribute
to grandma… none of us appreciated that!!!”
In March 2007, Kate called Discovery’s treatment of them
“wining and dining” and refers to it as
a “magical time.” For
season two, Jon and Kate wanted $6,000 an episode. Discovery negotiated them
down to $5,000.
Kate
obsessively tried to line up other money making opportunities, for example
commercials. She accused Discovery of “sucking the life” out of deals after
there was concern a commercial she wanted to do for Fridgidaire might compete
with some of their other advertisers. Kate had visions of filming even when she
was “old and gray.” In one email she writes: “I also
want to secure a 'foreverness' for our family (house, college etc) that goes
beyond our show so that when I look back when I am old and gray (and probably
STILL filming- ha ha) I know without a doubt that we did the right thing.”
9. Show Me the Money!!!!! Part 2
The Gosselins made less money per episode than some sources
have reported. Season one they made $2,000 an episode. Season two and three
they made $5,000 an episode. Season four was $9,000 per episode, which was
later re-negotiated to $22,500. Season five stayed at $22,500 per episode.
Kate hired a new manager, Julie Carson May, in April 2008.
May was heavily involved in contract negotiations. She fought to try to limit
the family’s commitment to the show to an average of three days a week, that
each season include at least 35 episodes, and that the family would be
compensated for episodes even if they used old footage from previous seasons
(i.e. flashback episodes), for first class travel and “overages” of $600 a day
per family member and $75 per diem per day per family member. She proposed a
ghost writer to write TLC’s Jon and Kate blog because Kate didn’t have time. Tax
obligations were flagged as something to be discussed. She wanted the
family to have input and approval over merchandising.
The list of freebies Kate was able to get Discovery and others to pay for or at least offer to her is astounding. Landscaping, fences, Gymboree, ski clothes for Cara, a condo near Cancun, a beach house in North Carolina, an offer for filming a breast augmentation in San Diego and subsequent recovery at a resort called The Hideaway [Admin note: My source says Kate ultimately chose Dr. Glassman to do her breasts, without filming. In the book she indeed says she has a choice between Glassman (but no filming) orSan Diego
(filming), though doesn’t say which one she ended up choosing. One wonders if
some kind of executive decision was made to keep the boob job secret for image
reasons, even though they had an offer to film it.], at least $500 a week at Ann Taylor, make-up, Olay daily facials, Crest whitestrips, camping equipment,
furniture, Charmin toilet paper, invisible fence for the dogs, and a trip to
Niagara Falls. Kate responded to an
offer from a doctor to give just Jon
Lasik surgery that she wanted it for both
of them. Kate frequently follows up with those who gave her free
things, straight out asking for more and claiming how much she talks about how
great their products are.
The list of freebies Kate was able to get Discovery and others to pay for or at least offer to her is astounding. Landscaping, fences, Gymboree, ski clothes for Cara, a condo near Cancun, a beach house in North Carolina, an offer for filming a breast augmentation in San Diego and subsequent recovery at a resort called The Hideaway [Admin note: My source says Kate ultimately chose Dr. Glassman to do her breasts, without filming. In the book she indeed says she has a choice between Glassman (but no filming) or
Kate once shamelessly skipped out on a scheduled weekly
conference call with Discovery to go to the spa. There were also discussions
about a deal for Cara and Mady to “write” a series of children’s books. Perhaps
most disturbing of all, there was discussion about designing an iPhone game
around the children. Part of the game description includes: “The game starts with the player taking on the roll of Kate on Monday
morning. The player must get through 7
day/night cycles to win the games first level.
Each level will not only be separated by days, but each day will also be
separated in sections breakfast time, lunch and dinner time, with bedtime being
the goal the player trying to reach each day. The first week is an example of
basic daily life, from getting the oldest kids ready for school to getting the
rest of the kids ready for their meals, in this case breakfast. Each of the
kids run of different timers, where they will get antsy, crying or even have a
full tantrum depending on how long they are left alone or not given what they
need.”
Kate and Beth received a $100,000 advance for their book
Multiple Blessings. A deal with Kmart for their holiday campaign that only
required three-days of work paid $158,000 plus up to $5,000 for a security team
of Kate’s choosing. There was also a $25,000 Proctor and Gamble deal.
10. A Family Under (Discovery's) Control
Discovery maintained a frightening amount of control over the family contractually, including where they would travel, what they wore and even how they styled their hair. Discovery also had several provisions limiting their liability and obligations to the family. They specifically prohibited the Gosselins from subjecting their contracts to union rules such as SAG. [Admin note: Huge red flag they were taking advantage of the family and actively trying to circumvent any built in protections in the entertainment industry’s unions.] The contract also included a provision that the Gosselins would “guarantee” the children’s “performance” and “obligations.” Discovery released themselves of all responsibility in the event of an accident or even death. They also had a provision excluding them from any worker’s compensation claims. Any personal photos and video the family took in the course of the show was the property of Discovery. Discovery could terminate the contract at any time for any reason without owing the Gosselins a cent. It was the Gosselin’s obligation to secure any necessary work permits and travel documents. They also wrote in the right to sue should any member of the family breach any of their obligations. In other words, Discovery could bail on the family at any time without consequence, but there would be hell to pay if any member of the family ever tried the same thing (and as we all saw, there was).
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aggiemom09121416 said: is there anyway to strike up a conversation with the kids or parents if you 'just happen' to be outside while they are?
I don't know what I would say to the parents.
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Heartbreaking! Keep reporting! Something has to be done. I reported a neighbor once whose bone-thin children would show up at our house for breakfast and ask for pancakes (which I always made)...one neighbor once caught the older boys, 4 & 6, pushing the baby in his stroller down a hill and letting him roll into the street with traffic. CPS came and saw a nice middle class house with 2 nice looking parents with jobs and did nothing. The kids would roam the neighborhood until after dark and the parents would call us to ask where they were! Shocking.
@Dmasy "She is grasping for glitter and junk and overlooking what is really important. She saved $160.00 on costumes! What?? She lost a fortune in memories."
Perfectly said.
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miloandjack
@mcpheema @BIOGHAWG @Kateplusmy8 Whether IT IS or ISN'T Kate's journal...things taken out of context..possibly even misquoted is #Misleading
I really would like to know what Kate feels when she reads that her no.1 fan even knows about a Kate's journal. I bet she shakes in her 5" heels every time she gets a tweet like this.
If I had a journal admitting to all she done, I would be terrified of getting caught. Oh..she already has been caught. HOW DOES IT FEEL KATE. It's only a belief away from possibly loosing your tweeties. (belief away meaning someone seeing the light) I think the only way that would happen would be by Divine revelation.
The thing that makes me sick to my stomach..for real..is that people like her makes everyone around her pay for her sins. Remember the letter to Jon that said if she's happy, everyone is. Don't forget, she's "never going away" and "she's in charge and that's never going to change."
Please God, let Jon have the kids more than his custody during this time.
Two words for your future reference: SPOILER ALERT.
? No kidding, right? I'm still bitter over investing many hours this summer in Big Brother only to have the ending completely spoiled for me. I stay completely offline until it airs but thought, eh, a Kate Gosselin blog should be safe. WRONG.
There's not much to be done about it now. Apologies have been offered. Now we all know for next time not to do it again.
I'm still bitter over investing many hours this summer in Big Brother only to have the ending completely spoiled for me
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You're still bitter? Are you being serious, or just kidding? It's hard to tell in a post.
"I didn't think pink's mentioning 9s across the board for Tony was that bad. It just made me want to tune in to see the dance."
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I didn't either. She gave the score and said it was great. She didn't reveal who was eliminated, and it wasn't the final show, so the winner wasn't named. It was a SCORE!
Tweeting about taking a child to the doctor AFTER finishing birthday celebrations; does she have a doctor with evening hours? Odd. Guess the sick kid was lucky to go at all. And she told C&M all about the millions of online birthday wishes from the virtual strangers in their lives. They send their thanks. Sick.
`OT unless ipad user!!!!!!!
I have always had problems with comments. What usually happens is that after typing a paragraph or so, it doesn"t allow me to type. If I go ahead to "select profile", once you fill in your name or account, you can use the edit function which takes you back to the comment. You can add to it or make corrections, but, once it happens, it may require several times to finish it. It is really annoying, which is why I usually create the comments in notepad and copy in.
Also, for those that are posting as anonymous and signing at the end, I think that you are not scrolling down the list of choices in "select profile". If you use the down arrow, you will see Name/URL. This will allow you to enter a name that will appear at the top of the post, as in XXXX said... You fo not have to enter anything in the URL
Does anybody have any comments on the Kindle Fire HD? Positive or negative.
I just want a small device to read while I'm lying in bed - I lie on my side. I want to read e-magazines, read this wonderful blog and maybe comment occasionally, and do e-mail. I don't really need it for much else.
Any suggestions will be welcome on what tablet type device you have used and like. Price isn't a concern.
Ex nurse I have an iPad and I have all the problems you mentioned. It seems to freeze and you can't continue and you either have to publish without proof reading the comment or erase and start over! As far as the URL/Name it doesn't work! It used to but not anymore.
Fidosmommy my child has a kindle and likes it ! My child reads a lot so it's perfect.
I bought a Net Book this weekend and I don't like it . But that's my opinion and someone else might like it!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
Do good Christians gamble? Kate's been in Las Vegas more than once. Anyone think she'd hit the slots machines? Not with her own money of course, but maybe if she was comped some gambling money? I wonder...
Kate...the truth is out there.You plotted and planned from the start to have HOM just for the fame. Even tho Roberts book has been pulled for now...enough people have read it and sent it to to anyone who'd listen.
YOU ARE DONE!!!You are a child abuser Kate Gosselin.
Stop with the BS about how much 8 kids cost you.You have millions,and are not hurting for money.You have what? 4 fan's backing you?
Get over yourself,most of America has.You wanted fame and got it...you will now be forever known as the bitch who ABUSES the kids who you forced to work to make you millions.
So I will say again...Kate Gosselin is a child abuser.No one believes a word you say.
Kate...you better drop down on your knees,and start begging for forgiveness.The truth will come from the kids...in their tell-all books.Tick-tock kate...it's coming.
So Sandusky says : You can take away my life,they can treat me as a monster...but they can't take away my heart : He's being sentenced tuesday.This man believe's he's innocent just like Kate does.
Kate Gosselin is a CHILD ABUSER.And dear old Sandusky....may you rott in hell!
Do good Christians gamble?
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It would be a stretch to say the Bible speaks about gambling since it is a relatively new
activity. The Bible does teach there is an
expectation that those with money share what they have with the poor. It would make sense, then, that the Bible would discourage taking great risk with money, even if a loss would cause the loser no personal concern. While the
Scriptures do not say it directly, it is not too far off base to suggest if you have excess money to put in the slot machines, you have money to give to charity. Of course it is possible to give to charity and gamble, but you understand the point.
The Bible is quite plain that a person should work hard to provide for their families. To
throw money away in a gambling casino and leave your family without rent money is wrong, obviously. However, I don't think that was your question.
A woman in a former church refused to participate in raffles because she considered it gambling. Another woman gathered all 6 of her children and flew out to Las Vegas twice a year. Both were fine Christian women who were
generous and loving. It is hard for me to say which was the better Christian even though one gambled and one did not.
With a smile I say that the phrase a fool and his money are soon parted is not in the Bible.
So many think it is.
Thanks for the info Ky pastor. I, too, agree that if one has the 'extra' money, they should help out their fellow man. I suppose this sounds too much like socialism but isn't that what the bible and God ultimately want? For the rich to help the poor? It's comples, I know. Anyways, thank you! :)
I went on twitter and sent over a dozen questions to Andy Cohen. I am just praying that I will be able to see kate on Bravo on Thursday because, they are doing a free peek that has been on for a couple of days. I have the first tier like the entertainment package on Directv and channels like the Cooking Channel, Hub, Bio that you can't normally get, are on now to see if you would like to upgrade. Caught the Bodyguard on FUSE tonight, the last 30 minutes. But the poster that said she was going to call in and ask about kates' dating show and if spanking would be involved! I have laughed so hard, I about coughed up a lung. No joke.
My deepest sympathies to Dwindle? who lost her beloved pet. I know how you feel. My name lukebandit is from 2 of my dogs. Luke and Bandit. Bandit stays with my son and Luke died be was about 18 years old a couple of months ago.
I asked Andy Cohen to ask her about Shoka, the beatings of her babies. I mentioned the book several times. Hopefully he will do us proud!
I don't think Andy will ask questions involving spanking..sad but I don't think he will. My GAWD that woman exaggerates! What is that all about?! Yes, girls, you had over a MILLION happy birthday tweets...so, Kate, 100,000 of your tweeties tweeted 100 happy birthday EACH to Mady and cara?!?! Wow... What an idiot!
My adopted (at birth) daughter was born in New Zealand where they did not celebrate Halloween. I brought her home at age 7, and Halloween became her favourite holiday. I can still remember her saying "Mummy, you can go up to stranger's houses and they give you food!" Contrary to everything I ever taught her,lol, but what an exciting holiday!
Hmmmmm....Charlie's comment begs the question,
did Steve have any influence on the kids not getting to celebrate Halloween? If he thought it was an unnecessary holiday maybe Kate started to think so too.
Conrats on hetting eigth million!
I see the cow is again trying desperately to seem busy and important when everyone knows she doesn't have anything to do.
the tanning salon? When I was in Las Vegas with Jon, I took a call from one the paps telling me to please pass on to Jon that they followed Kate at 110 mph that day with three of the sextuplets in the car. They didn’t report her or
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I read that section yesterday. It bothered me very much that the local police willingly allowed her to park in fire lanes (facing the wrong direction) and to speed. They supported her behavior.
Robert documents times when the police were trying to help "that poor woman" (Kate) by letting her break applicable traffic laws. Those few times she was caught are only the tip of the iceberg of her infractions.
But she got tickets, you say? Notice that all the tickets came from the STATE police. That is incredibly disturbing, and if I were a local I would be FURIOUS that she was held to a different standard.
Robert said in his notes from the time that this was going to end badly sometime. He was very conscious that much of this driving was done with the kids in the car--including make a u-turn across four lanes and passing people at high speeds on country roads around blind curves.
The local police also patrolled hotel parking lots for Her Hineyness and even helped her load her bags. Is that what they were being paid for? All Kate needed was more confirmation that the rules didn't apply to her.
Steve had nothing to do with not celebrating holidays; it was always like that even when she was Jon. Christmas Easter Halloween it made no difference what holiday. If it involved work for her she wasn't interested. If It meant she had to do the work It was agaInst her beliefs.
Hi Admin!
It's meee, Kate!!!
8 million hits!
I'm SOOO honored!!! I have 8 ATMs, I mean, 8 kids!!! You have 8 million plus hits! On the 8th day of the month! I have 8, count 'em, 8 kids!!!!!! !!
Do you get it!!
I just loooove the number 8! Because I have 8 children!! Yay meee!
Prize to the 8,888,888th poster!!!
In honor of meee!!
I have 8 kids, too!! Just in case you missed it!!
Have a gr8t day!!
The non-celebration of Halloween was mentioned in Season 1 (?) -- they were carving pumpkins in the garage (of the old house) and Kate mentioned something about it. This is the episode when she was having a meltdown over the pumpkin mess and started to clean up before Jon & the kids were finished carving/decorating. For some reason, I think she mentioned something about religious reasons for not celebrating...
Kate is spending 20 minutes on her lists? I thought she kept them up to date on her phone so she could just add to them...she is not organized-ish at all. I wonder if the sick child is at school- sounds like good riddance to all of them :(
Does Kate still keep her journal and if so, where? She used to hand-write it, then on the computer- maybe also on the phone with her 'new book' notes? Or when did she stop- maybe relies on Twitter.
Kate's just blabbing on about her hectic life. Does she have a conscience anywhere deep down inside?
But she got tickets, you say? Notice that all the tickets came from the STATE police. That is incredibly disturbing, and if I were a local I would be FURIOUS that she was held to a different standard.
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Yes, you don't mess with State police. It is telling and thanks for pointing that out.
I wouldn't speed with my dogs in the car. If I hit 80 mph I go "whoa", too fast. I can not imagine hitting 3 digit speeds, let alone with kids in the car.
The bottom line is that there is no good reason for this cat and mouse chase game. What was Kate accomplishing? A couple less photos in the rags?
Let them take your photos for the love of everything holy and sacred in life. It's not worth it!
I don't believe Princess Di's death was any sort of conspiracy. It was bone-headed people around her who would go to any length to avoid pap pics. And so what? For what?
As Joy Behar says "so what? who cares?!".
Those poor kids - what a way to start their day, and they got to come home to that. When mommy is not happy, nobody is happy. Such a busy little bee that one. So much to do so little time and 8 unemployed children. What is a mom to do. Make more lists. Seems to me by the time she got all those lists made she could have already a portion of them.
Kate is spending 20 minutes on her lists?
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No, it's worse than that. Those pesky children's trip to the bus stop has put her 20
minutes behind her very important schedule.
How dare they? And where's that nanny??
bone-headed people around her who would go to any length to avoid pap pics. And so what? For what?
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Our community is in deep grief over the death of a young adult whose car went off the road, flipped, and pinned him. No alcohol or drugs, no speeding, no other vehicle involved. There is nobody to blame; it was truly an accident.
When "bone heads" get behind the wheel and play Russian Roulette with peoples' lives just because they can, they need their license suspended by those State Police before another car pins people underneath it.
The bottom line is that there is no good reason for this cat and mouse chase game. What was Kate accomplishing? A couple less photos in the rags?
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I have to revise this. Kate was evading the paps so they wouldn't find out where her secret lair or love nest was.
Lots of Kate's supporters and Jon haters railed on Jon for not being near the kids in PA, even when he didn't have custody time. But here's the thing... where was Kate?
Jon went to NYC and everyone knew it, come whatever backlash. Kate risked lives to keep her little secret and who even knows where she was or how far away it was.
Ex Nurse, Tomatoes, all iPad users...I don't know how to scroll up so I can't proff all of my comments. I was just playing around with my comment at the top of this thread and deleted it. I guess I should read my iPad for Dummies book. I pick up my iPhone 5 after work today so if you see nonsense coming from me it means I'm playing around with that. I've never had an iPhone but figured since I have the iPad I might as well go with that phone as well.
One more comment about the serial speeding involving Kate.
From Robert's book, apparently Kate and Steve attempted to evade paps/reporters in limos.
I'm no limo expert and don't take town cars, so I wonder: Do limo drivers not give a crap about keeping their license? Do they speed at the whims of their passengers to "lose" the paps?
It seems to me that this is not only dangerous, but that the driver would stand charges of reckless driving and possibly lose his job!
For Kate?
Genny-mommy and Ky pastor - Ooops! My husband and I go to Vegas once a year. I consider myself a Christian and don't consider myself a fool (usually). Maybe it depends on your denomination as to whether or not it's considered un-Christian or a "sin". My dad was an Episcopal Priest and didn't look down on going to Vegas. In fact one year the national conference was held in Vegas. Also, a local Catholic Priest goes to Vegas for R&R at least once or twice a year. With all that being said, Kate's going to Vegas is a non issue with me.
Those of you sending questions to Andy, his is a snarky show. Don't send serious questions becasue they won't be asked, it's just not that kind of show. Ask what brand her "good bra" is. Ask about botox. Those are the types of questions he'll ask.
Tucker's Mom,
I agree with everything you've just said in all your posts. You've hit it 100% on the head.
Fido's Mommy,
I'm so sorry for your loss. This may be why I was also so angry to read about Kate's flaunting of traffic laws and endangering herself and others: my children's friend lost his girlfriend to a freak accident this past weekend. Speed may have been involved (the police says yes, the family says no--but she was alone in the car at the time of the accident.) She tried to pass a car, hit gravel, flipped, and hit a tree. Nineteen years old and did not even make it to the hospital.
Kate's behavior behind the wheel is just another way she abuses her children and as well as all other drivers in her path.
Those pesky children's trip to the bus stop has put her 20
minutes behind her very important schedule.
How dare they? And where's that nanny??
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I don't believe anything she posts on Twitter. It's all for spin.
I just finished the chapter on her driving habits. Not all of her reckless driving incidents are for going to a 'secret place'. A lot of them ended with her going to Pier 1, the bank, the UPS store, nail salon, getting her hair done.
She was driving at reckless speeds with the kids in the car numerous times.
I just finished the chapter concerning Beth. Robert has some unkind things to say about her. I wonder if she would seek legal counsel regarding his accusations?
What does he say about Beth?
Good article on Gather already about Kate complaining about her kids this AM.Not earth- shattering but a change from some of the sycophants on that site.
happen to Jon and Kate. In my opinion, remaining silent about the emotional and physical abuse that surely Beth must have witnessed, makes her just as guilty as if she were beating the children herself. Multiple Blessings was written in 2008. Kate’s journal, that she used to write both I Just Want You To Know, and Multiple Blessings, was written from 2005-2008. Surely Beth had that journal and those notes in her possession, and surely she read the same passages that I read … but she did nothing to help the children? Even on the outside chance that Beth Carson never personally saw Kate abusing her children, she surely read Kate’s words in her journal… and did nothing. Quite the opposite; she ignored what she read and wrote a book of lies about Kate being a loving, nurturing, God-fearing woman.
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who was there, in the Gosselin house most days and around Kate and the children as often as she was, I can’t even imagine what she was thinking, as a Christian woman, being a part of that book that was so full of lies.
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Multiple Blessings is a book filled with nothing but lies and Beth Carson wrote it. I’d hide too if I were you Beth Carson. Shame on you.
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for accuracy's sake, this is the first part of the sentence for post #41...
But for Beth Carson, who was there, in the Gosselin house most days
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It's not just her important morning list, it's her 'moment to moment' list. Gawk, what a self-important POS. 20 minutes behind, cries the CEO of Nothingland. I need more coffee to read this dreck.
By the Grace of God, He is keeping those kids alive while kate speeds. I am praying that when she has an accident that she will be the only one in the vehicle and not hurt anyone else but herself. And I hope that does not happen. I really believe that she was horribly abused as a child growing up and she is continuing the vicious cycle of child abuse. It is passed down from generation to generation. Wish someone would put one of those gadgets on kate's vehicles and could print out how much she sped for a couple of days. How does she have insurance? If I knew her car insurance company, I would call them and report her. I can't believe that Jon couldn't do something about this! I would be in court doing something about it. She has money, let her hire a driver to drive the kids back and forth. Man, this makes me so mad and freaking ILL !!! You STUPID COW!
aggie, I have come to the same conclusion about Beth, someone I used to admire as the kids' champion . But yes, she wrote the book and omitted Kate's bad behavior and any inkling of mistreatment. Perhaps she did do something to seek help for the kids, but nothing has come to light. If she did, I retract this post. But it seems she was on the bandwagon of promoting Kate and praising God for His role in the family's new life of fame and fortune. Beth was used to the lifestyle Kate 'desired'(another of K's favorite words) and seemed to take Kate on as a protege...until Kate kicked her to the curb with adding Jon as author to the book. If that's why the two split as friends, I have no sympathy. Beth must know now, and I believe she knew before, of Kate's treatment of her family.
Jodi and Kevin are the real heroes of the story although unfortunately did to get the results we all wished for.
Jerry Sandusky was sentenced 30-60 years this morning. 400 years would have been better, but I don't think he'll see the light of day ever again.
Just finished the chapter on Kevin and Jodi...Robert says Jodi said she'd do the show with or without compensation...she'd do it for the kids.
From Kate's point of view, production approached Kate and said they wanted to compensate K&J, Kate said NO. Later, production approached K, and supposedly that's when the split occurred, 'cuz Kate said NO WAY.
Jodie had an issue on the way J&K talked about her on the show, something along the lines of (paraphrasing here) 'she tries the best she can'.
Kate also said she apologized to Jodi about the gum incident.
Kate also doesn't understand why Jodi was upset when Jon came home saying (paraphrasing again) 'every time the kids come home, they have a sucker in their mouth', which Kate says Jodi should have taken as 'Jodi's the fun aunt'.
I have 4 kids and a full time job, and I manage to function and live life normally with no lists. Why is it Kate has NO JOB and 8 kids and needs "moment by moment" lists? She doesn't have a job, so what in the world does she do all day that she needs such structured lists?
Makes no sense.
My guess is she really goes back to bed until noon and/or reads this blog.
{Hi Kate!! Where are you at on your list now?}
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 Ur children R a reflection of U..ur the parent who has the awesome job of day2day care&training! Ur kids speak volumes abt U
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Dear God I hope the Gosselin kids don't end up like their mother or father.
Like the 8 innocent kids be them sleeves and not like their parents.
Sincerely,
Chef Summer.
Formerly Duped: try Kate is gonna go back to bed. She did tweet, she was still in her PJ's when she dropped the kids off at the school bus pick-up. I don't know about you guys, but if I'm got a list of things to do, I get fully dress, so after dropping kids off, I'm on the run. Leaving PJ's on, is an indication that Kate got back home and went back to bed. She has tweeted that she has done that before, gone back to bed. That lazy woman. The Gather article, was not too kind to kind to Kate about bitchin about a typical morning in most households. Get a grip Kate! Kate even said: she glad the kids were gone. Maybe it's that time of the month for Kate PMS much Kate!
Hey, I wonder if that midnight swim, had anything to do with the kid, who had an ear infec? Swimmer ear?
I stumbled across someone claiming to be Liz, Jons girlfriend on twitter. She hasn't included @kateplusmy8 so she was under the radar. Of course anyone can claim to be anyone but..this person only has 20 something tweets and the first was to Jon back in July about some show.
Then on 9/7 she tweeted:
@LJisGaia
Foolish Pride will only lead to Sorrow.
She has recently been tweeting some more interesting things:
@LJisGaia
@mscatie @mylilabbster @mrsjandthebabes He is doing the right thing.
(in response to Jon not commenting on the book).
Notice she is not replying to tweets directed at her, she must be reading K8s page. Some more tweets and responses:
@msgoody2shoes21
Jon Gosselin Was Behind Malicious Tell-All Kate Book & Provided Hard Drive To Writer Pal, Says Source | Radar Online - http://t.co/j3xrDMTc
@LJisGaia
@msgoody2shoes21 Radars "source" accusing Jon=sad attempt to get him to open his mouth publicly. Not happening.. All unnecessary drama.
3 days ago
@Paige_Kate8fan
@LJisGaia @msgoody2shoes21 the man said himself he's friends with Jon. Is that a lie?
2 days ago
@LJisGaia
@Paige_Kate8fan @msgoody2shoes21 no,not a lie at. Jon's lost everything from tlc suing him first time,Not dumb enough to ask for that again
2 days ago
@Paige_Kate8fan
@LJisGaia @msgoody2shoes21 well I hope not. I hope this can all just go away for the sake of the whole Gosselin family
2 days ago
@LJisGaia
@Paige_Kate8fan I agree- Although a good "eye-opener" can be good for anybody...... Things aren't always how they appear. Take care,Paige
2 days ago
@MiloandJack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 She does...but that's alot of stress 4one woman! I'd sure like 2see her find Mr. Right 2help her & walk w/her!
15 hours ago from web
@LJisGaia
Wow. just fyi,jon had kids sep 28,29,30, had boys 5,6,7, doing dinner tonight w them, and pickup 4 fri-sat
2 hours ago
AND THE BEST:
@Allisstair
@MiloandJack @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 But no concern about what they're exposed to with Kate's boyfriend???
@msgoody2shoes21 @Allisstair @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 The teacher, doctor's daughter, babysitter, reporter, lawyer to be, girlfriend from hell & current gf
13 hours ago
@LJisGaia
@msgoody2shoes21 I'm a "gf" who has also given her benefit of doubt since day 1,my kids and I r filth to her n the negativity effects us all
These kids are eight and 12. They don't deserve their mother mortifying them by telling the world they had a "rough a.m." Good Lord.
anger issues kate said... 51
lol, kinda figured that ! I wondered if she was trying to get the guy who wanted bikini shots to imagine her nightwear, ugh.
It's rainy and dreary here but I have done my usual morning stuff- without a list!Exercise, shower, walked dog, cleaned up house, have some errands. After lunch I will get to work; later make dinner, putout rubbish & recycling, pick up dd.Whatever comes up.
I don't let PMS stand in my way!
20 minutes behind, cries the CEO of Nothingland. I need more coffee to read this dreck.
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20 minutes behind WHAT? She has all damn day to do whatever she needs to do plus a nanny, tutor and other hired help, she doesn't WORK and has a STAFF. Those coupon cabin blogs can't take her more than 10 minutes to put together. If they do she's a dolt.
I really cannot believe there is a single sheeple left who actually works for a living. There is no way this wouldn't drive them bonkers.
She saved $160.00 on costumes! What?? She lost a fortune in memories.
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Quote of the week.
Happy Tuesday to all.
I logged in yesterday and started getting caught up on comments and I became pretty overwhelmed with the posts of support and condolence for my sweet doggie.
I cant find words to tell you all how much your posts and thoughts actually helped. There are times I feel foolish at my grief ("it's only a dog..." ??) and you all really helped so much. I was on my own Saturday at the vet's, and suddenly felt this overwhelming peace about what was happening and felt this large crowd of you all around me. Nuts? Maybe I was but I dont care, it felt warm and nice.
Even though we still have two large young sassy active dogs, the house feels empty.
Thanks again everyone. You are an amazing lot.
Pam: I make lists, to remind me, that certain things will need to be done, for the whole week or so. My lists are more of a guide, than a moment to moment list. Depending on how I'm feeling and the weather or if I have an interview, depends on which stuff gets done. Something are written in stone and most are not. I'm flexible. Certain stuff(written in stone) being: dishes, cleaning birds, frig(old food), getting garbage out, before trash guys come, normal cleaning, etc. that stuff.
Maybe Kate's PO cause the non-existing hire help, could not come today. Those ones that work 15-20 hours a week. Poor Kate boohoo!
Genny-mommy, what's a "good Christian"? Most Christians don't live like the pilgrims anymore. I know plenty of Christians who gamble, drink, have sex before marriage and/or curse. No matter what your vice this is supposed to be a religion that embraces everyone who believes in Christ without putting labels on things like good Christian or bad Christian.
Localyocul said... 53
I stumbled across someone claiming to be Liz, Jons girlfriend on twitter.
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Wow, very interesting. IF this is Liz, it confirms what we've thought about Jon's custody and increased time with the boys, which makes me so very happy.
It must be hard to see Kate out there insinuating that she does it all alone, has the kids all the time, is 100% responsible for the kids financially, and make it seem like Jon is a bad dad.
It's a fine line to walk. Do you say something when you know the truth? Do you risk controversy and possible retribution and/or lawsuits?
Tough call. Tough spot to be in.
Tucker's Mom said... 61
Localyocul said... 53
I stumbled across someone claiming to be Liz, Jons girlfriend on twitter.
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Wow, very interesting. IF this is Liz, it confirms what we've thought about Jon's custody and increased time with the boys, which makes me so very happy.
It must be hard to see Kate out there insinuating that she does it all alone, has the
kids all the time, is 100% responsible for the kids financially, and make it seem like Jon is a bad dad.
It's a fine line to walk. Do you say something when you know the truth? Do you risk controversy and possible retribution and/or lawsuits?
Tough call. Tough spot to be in
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Notice she says she is dirt to Kate after having given her the benefit of the doubt. Very interesting
Well, have to go. Got to go to emissions test, then go to the DMV to get my plate sticker. Come home and finish packing some stuff away and maybe, shampoo rug? Catch yea later.
Dwindle:
Nice to see you back! I hope you're doing ok. Oh no, it's not 'just a dog.' Dogs are living, breathing, unconditionally loving members of the family. You certainly should allow yourself to grieve. I'm glad you had a sense of some peace and I'm pleased the support of this blog could help even an iota of a sad sad event in your life.You are loved here . Thanks to Aggie for starting the list of support.
Wow. just fyi,jon had kids sep 28,29,30, had boys 5,6,7, doing dinner tonight w them, and pickup 4 fri-sat
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I believe this is Liz. And thank goodness. She did just tweet a pic of the 3 girls, no boys in sight.
It's pathetic and sad that Kate has become so unglued she can't even bring herself to acknowledge Jon's heavy role in the raising of his children. She also gave herself away as a liar--she said nothing has changed as far as custody. Then that would mean Jon has every other weekend. If so, why does she tweet every weekend about the kids being with her? Thought it was all "the same" Kate????
Doesn't she know that if she just admitted they are with him half the time the sheeple would hold her up as a martyr just trying to help a father reconnect with his children? They wouldn't turn on her, she would be a saint for "letting" this relationship happen against her better judgment, how hard this is for her poor thing, she's just trying to do what is best. Surely she trusts her sheeple to spin this positively.
Notice she says she is dirt to Kate after having given her the benefit of the doubt. Very interesting
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Oh, I did!
Not too long ago, during yet another yawnerview, Kate was asked for the billionth time about her feelings on Jon dating.
Kate go this total look of disdain on her smug, flared-nostril face, and said "this girlfriend, that girlfriend..." with a big old, trying-to-hard-not-to-care shrug.
Unless you have more money or fame or more power than Kate, you're gum on her shoe.
As far as the potential step-mother of your 8, count 'em 8 kids? Really bad move to not forge an alliance.
It just goes to show once again, Kate hates Jon more than she loves those precious kids.
I believe it rings true too Admin. I hope she can stand her ground respectfully like she is doing now. Msgoody is trying to convince her the sheeple don't hate her and that she is not "filth" to Kate Kate just doesn't trust blah blah blah
Dwindle said... 58
Happy Tuesday to all.
I logged in yesterday and started getting caught up on comments and I became pretty overwhelmed with the posts of support and condolence for my sweet doggie.
I cant find words to tell you all how much your posts and thoughts actually helped. There are times I feel foolish at my grief ("it's only a dog..." ??) and you all really helped so much. I was on my own Saturday at the vet's, and suddenly felt this overwhelming peace about what was happening and felt this large crowd of you all around me. Nuts? Maybe I was but I dont care, it felt warm and nice.
Even though we still have two large young sassy active dogs, the house feels empty.
Thanks again everyone. You are an amazing lot.
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Welcome back, Dwindle :o)
Good point about the girl pic Kate tweeted, Admin. Same time frame Liz says boys were with Jon.
Kate will never give Jon credit for anything.
And IF she does give him any form of credit she will find a sly way to bash him.
@LJisGaia
@MiloandJack Every child deserves to have their father in their life as much as their mother w/out fearing battle.And a good day to u:)
LOLOL and isn't Liz a "single mom" of a bunch of kids! She's calling Milo out on her stuff but doing it in the same tone Milo does. LOLOL
I could watch this all day but I got work to do. My "list" isn't getting any shorter.
Dwindle--
Let me second what Formerly Duped(#64) said. Never ever feel foolish about grief. Grief is a very personal matter, and it's very real.
To some people, it may be "just a dog", but to you and many others here, she was a member of your family.
Reading about your loss, brought up many memories of my cats, the last of which has been gone for 9 years. I still grieve their loss and I cried a lot of tears the other day in their memory.
I am happy that we in some way were able to help you. There are many wonderful people on this blog, and you are definitely one of them.
Would love for Andy Cohen to ask her:
Kate: Which do you like better: Beating your babies with wooden spoons or banging your married bodyguard?
Sorry, feeling snarky today.
heather
Dwindle, welcome back. I'm glad you are finding some measure of comfort and I'm sure your beloved dog was so very loved and spoiled. Never forget the joy.
A tweet from somebody referring to " girlfriend from hell & current gf"....
Are they referring to Ellen as the girlfriend from hell?
She was also referred to as the "demon girlfriend".
Interesting descriptors. Wonder why Ellen would be a demon girlfriend? Because she put her foot down and didn't let Kate get by with beating the kids? Or didn't let Kate run roughshod over Jon?
Lukebandit
I disagree with you about Kate being a CHILD ABUSER because she was beaten as a child. I think people make that choice all on their own.
My younger sister was abused by my mother. I still remember her crying for hours because my mother made her kneel on beans! She was in kindergarten! And she was, is the best mother and person you can ever encounter. But that might be an excuse she will make in the future if the book ever comes out, and the media finally decide to bring her down!
So I don't think Kate has stopped abusing her kids just because they are older, she just buys them more expensive toys ( iPads?) for their loyalty!!!
( Let's Throw Tomatoes )
Formerly Duped said... 39
I read that article on Gather.com. I especially liked when he said:
"Surely there are plenty of parents who, like Kate Gosselin, deal with typical morning drama trying to get their children off to school. What is not typical, however, is Kate's insistence ton complaining about her kids on Twitter to her followers. Everyone gets it... raising 8 kids is tough, but does she really have to keep reminding everyone?"
I think that basically sums up how many of us feel.
http://celebs.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981688215
What I do know, after reading Kate’s journal, is that Steve is an enabler, and his silence while Kate abuses her little children is staggering. He, in my opinion, is just as guilty as Kate and has demonstrated his lack of class and lack of integrity by not coming forward to help those children. Steve Neild is also a liar.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 22149-22154). . Kindle Edition.
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pretty harsh words. I'm not an atty (lol), but can someone say this and get away with it?
Are they referring to Ellen as the girlfriend from hell? 75
Yes and I could never figure out why. They have also bestowed sainthood on Hailey-???
They have also bestowed sainthood on Hailey-???
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Hailey supported Kate after the breakup with Jon. Was very vocal about bashing Jon.
Don't get me wrong. I am glad Mr. Hoffman wrote the book, but can you say such things against people (Steven and Beth) and not get in trouble?
I think it's high time someone called Kate out on her shi*, but I wonder about the legal ramifications. That being said, I'd like to see the other 90% published. I'd pay good money to read that.
he also alludes to proof of lewd emails Jamie sent Jon (while still married to K).
pretty damning stuff.
Wonder what Dr Glassman thought 1. about his daughter's affair w/ Jon and 2. about Kate's good bra- she took his advice! She got herself a VERY good bra.surprised no one blew the whistle on that as some people would know for sure..
Sorry , I meant iPhone , in my previous post!
I don't think Steve has been the only enabler, Kate has been surrounded by enablers since day one. From her family, friends, her community, her church, The media but the worst enablers of all were Jon (Kate is a wonderful mother) and TLC ( we don't care about the kids, just show me the money )
The only people who have tried to expose KATE the CHILD ABUSER have been on these blogs and we have been labeled HATERS!!
(Let's Throw Tomatoes )
"pretty harsh words. I'm not an atty (lol), but can someone say this and get away with it?"
What should be the issue here? He states his opinion (nothing illegal about that) and what he states as fact I assume he has evidence of, just like with Kate.
If that is Liz on twitter, well then good for her, Milo must be losing her mind. And for a woman who wants an insipid dating show, what nerve to treat Jon's real gf like 'filth'. Hope it's her undoing down the road. But what is this reference to Kate's 'boyfriend'? Imagine it's the Skeevster, which then begs the question how do you beg for a dating show with the boobyguard in the closet?
Me, I'm out of k-cups so must go to Costco unless @starbucks wants to drop a box in the mail.
The advertising today tickled my funny bone - $99 divorce. I wonder if Kate is using a coupon for her lawyers...
Starz22 said... 14
So Sandusky says : You can take away my life,they can treat me as a monster...but they can't take away my heart : He's being sentenced tuesday.This man believe's he's innocent just like Kate does.
Kate Gosselin is a CHILD ABUSER.And dear old Sandusky....may you rott in hell!
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It's unbelievably horrifying how long Sandusky was able to prey on innocent children, despite red flags all over the place. So if this man could get away for decades with sexual abuse of children, sometimes in public places, it's probably going to be practically impossible that Kate will ever be formally charged with any type of abuse of her children.
Both of them are despicable, and both of them were held up as examples of success to the general public. My goodness, TLC and Discovery propped up Kate, used all their widespread media resources to sell her to the public, and they still couldn't make her likeable. But they could and did protect her from facing real life consequences to her actions.
I hope Sandusky never gets another press interview, and remains in prison until he goes to meet his Maker. For Kate, the worst that could happen would be for her to run out of money, and to fade into obscurity. I do hope that happens sooner rather than later.
Admin wrote: Genny-mommy, what's a "good Christian"? Most Christians don't live like the pilgrims anymore. I know plenty of Christians who gamble, drink, have sex before marriage and/or curse. No matter what your vice this is supposed to be a religion that embraces everyone who believes in Christ without putting labels on things like good Christian or bad Christian.
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Jesus teaches to embrace everyone, however, absolutely NO PLACE in the bible that I can find did He say to embrace sin. In fact, we are instructed to call out false prophets for what they are, as well as to rebuke and instruct our fellow brethren when they're sinning. I personally don't think it's edifying to describe a Christian as "good" or "bad". We're all sinners, every single one of us, it's just that some (through maturity in Christ) are more consistent in their walk.
OrangeCrusher1 said... 85
Just to clarify--the tweet mentioning the boyfriend was not made by Liz. It was made by a "hater". The first @ in that tweet, is the person who made it.
Weren't the tups something like 10 weeks premature? So regarding the potty training the boys thing, when she started them at 2 (which I think is young for a boy anyway) they weren't necessarily 2 DEVELOPMENTALLY, due to being preemies.
I know she would never consider them anything but NORMAL (other than poor Aaden with his dreaded glasses), but most normal people probably would also take that into consideration, I think.
My daughter pretty much potty trained herself around 18 months. My son was near 4.5 before he really "got it". I knew he would be harder when I had a boy and I didn't stress out over it. I tried periodically starting when it was about 2.5, he showed zero interest/understanding so I never pushed the issue.
I knew he would make the connection eventually and I wouldn't be changing diapers when he went to college so I wasn't overly stressed out about it ;)
Anonymous said... 76
Lukebandit
I disagree with you about Kate being a CHILD ABUSER because she was beaten as a child. I think people make that choice all on their own.
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Absolutely. We have several wonderful posters right here who have shared about their own childhood experiences with abuse, and how they broke the cycle of abuse when they were adults with their own children.
I am reminded of the Horse Whisperer, Buck Brannaman. If you have the chance, read up about his own childhood. He and his brother were severely beaten by his father, and it got worse after their mother died. They were finally removed from the home and put into foster care. Both of them grew up to be good men, and Buck especially is the opposite of an abusive person.
Once you become an adult, you make your own choices, and you can't fall back on what happened in your childhood to excuse your own bad behavior. Kate admits in her journal that she knows her behavior is over the line, "mean," and at times scares her. Yet she does nothing about it! She should have sought counseling, parenting classes, and if she has bipolar or other medical conditions that need treatment, take the proper medications.
Instead, she poses as the perfect mom on the outside while physically and mentally abusing her children, and profiting off them. It's just horrific.
Dwindle dear, this poem is for you!
JUST A DOG
From time to time, people tell me, "lighten up, it's just a dog,"
or "that's a lot of money for just a dog."
They don't understand the distance travelled, the time spent,
or the costs involved for "just a dog."
Some of my proudest moments have come about with "just a dog."
Many hours have passed and my only company was "just a dog,"
but I did not once feel slighted.
Some of my saddest moments have been brought aobut by
"just a dog," and in those days of darkness, the gentle touch
of "just a dog" gave me comfort and reason to overcome the day.
If you, too, think it's "just a dog," then you probably understand
phrases like "just a friend," "just a sunrise," or "just a promise."
"Just a dog" brings into my life the very essence of friendship,
trust, and pure unbridled joy.
"Just a dog" brings out the compassion and patience
that make me a better person.
Because of "just a dog" I will rise early, take long walks and look
longingly to the future.
So for me and folks like me, it's not "just a dog"
but an embodiment of all the hopes and dreams of the future,
the fond memories of the past, and the pure joy of the moment.
"Just a dog" brings out what's good in me and diverts my thoughts
away from myself and the worries of the day.
I hope that someday they can understand that its' not "just a dog"
but the thing that gives me humanity and keeps me from being
"just a man" or "just a woman."
So the next time you hear the phrase "just a dog,"
just smile,
because they "just don't understand."
~Unknown Author~
PoohBear - I definitely agree that parents should not stress over potty training, and allow the child to be the guide as to when they are ready. A good friend of mine was so invested in getting her daughter to be potty trained, that she had her go sit on the toilet every 30 minutes or so. Sure, she was wearing regular underwear, but what a hassle for both! She had to time every trip out of the house, and the little girl still needed pull ups for naps, bedtime, etc.
It just seemed a waste of time, when allowing your child to decide when he or she is ready is so much easier. But I will end the topic here, because I don't want to siderail the main discussions too much :)
Aussie I more or less agree with what you're saying I just don't have a need to call out a Christian who happens to have taken a vacation to Vegas. However I see a big difference between that and someone with a gambling addiction whose children are going hungry because they gambled away the grocery money. That's the kind of behavior in my opinion justifies intervention and speaking out. I suppose everyone who feels that way needs to swine their limits too. I do know that I don't find it all that productive to go around calling out every little sin I see around me especially when I sin myself. I save it for the big ones.
What I found so alarming was Kate's beating that poor boy because he didn't have a better handle on potty training AFTER FIVE DAYS.
five days???????????
omg
The meaning of the word " Christian " seems to have been changed in the last few decades to refer to Evangelical or Fundamentalist denominations. As an Anglican (Episcopalian) I hsve been told that I am not really a Christian because I do not believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible.
Maybe we should stop worrying about whether Kate is a "Christian" and keep worrying about whether she displays even a shred of human kindness to those around her.Her religious affiliation makes no difference if she beats and otherwise abuses her children.IMO.
Dwindle - only had my iphone this weekend so couldn't post, but I wanted to share my condolences. The same thing happened to my cat Milo (different Milo!!!) about 10 years ago - a tumor ruptured and spilled into his lungs. It all happened so quickly and I feel like I never had a chance to say goodbye properly. And holding him in my arms as they put him to sleep, well, it's one of those memories that I remember in vivid detail. My heart breaks for you.
There was a small article in the Cape Cod Times this morning that I'm sure the posters on here will find just as appalling as I did.
According to the article, a 23 year old Texas woman could face life in prison for beating her two year old daughter and gluing her hands to the wall. A doctor testified that the mother beat the child so badly that she suffered significant brain trauma and bleeding. And why was the mother so angry at her daughter? Because of potty training problems. The mother pleaded guilty July 12.
Hey, I wonder if that midnight swim, had anything to do with the kid, who had an ear infec? Swimmer ear?
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It was a midnight swim? The party went on that long? I don't remember reading that. I know it was cold that night, and at midnight it would have been around 42 degrees or so. I hope that it wasn't a late night swim.
IDMODO 96
I agree with you.
capecodmomma,I saw the story on cnn.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/08/justice/texas-mother-sentencing/index.html?hpt=us_c2
That's how I feel, I don't care what Kate wants to call herself, so much of what she does is just wrong no matter what you believe. Wrong is wrong. That said I don't find her mentions of church and religion to be anything close to sincere.
There was an abuse case just last week in Dallas, Ga, apparently an 18 yr old boy was so malnourished he still had baby teeth, weighed 87 lbs. He was locked in a bathroom for a yr.
His siblings didn't even know what he looked like.
When he was discovered, authorities asked him why the bathroom was sparkling clean..he said he didn't have anything else to do.
He was also locked in his bedroom for long lengths of time, authorities asked him why he didn't escape through the window, he said he was afraid of bugs. He hadn't been outside for 2 yrs, his skin was translucent.
He finally received help in CA, after his mother and stepdad placed him on a bus. They told him to find a homeless shelter to live in.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/04/3033901/couple-accused-of-abusing-teen.html
Bearswife:
Loved "Just a Dog."
My "just a dog" is curled up beside me atm. She always follows me around the house and re-settles for her snooze. Without her, I'd be lonely. I know this was for Dwindle, but I thought it was really a nice tribute to dogs everywhere. I know when Dwindle wrote of her dog being so ill, I especially took time to enjoy my walk with my dog and send just a little extra time playing with her.I adore her.
Some people (upthread) were talking about on the RV episode about the white water rafting trip so I went back & watched that part on youtube. OMGosh, what a nasty person she was to the guy that manned their raft. She goes ww rafting but doesn't want to get wet? Who does that?! But I loved how he kept calling her out on everything she said, lol. She probably chewed his butt out after the cameras turned off. But all the while Steve was sitting there trying to control her. I can't imagine ANY man finding her one bit attractive after seeing just how NASTY and MEAN she is.
Glad you liked that poem, Formerly. I meant it especially for Dwindle, but I know what big animal lovers we all are!
I have 3 dogs sleeping on me right now, the joys of nap time at doggy daycare! They are all my babies until its time to go home.
I would also like to thank you for posting "Just a Dog", Bearswife.
Our dogs, and cats give us so much love, and companionship. I love them dearly, and consider them our children.
When you are sad, sick, scared, tired etc... your pet knows it, and will sit, or lay down next to you, and keep you company.
Does anyone remember when Japan had the tsunami-
the story of the dog that kept vigil over an injured dog? There are so many stories of dogs behaving like more than "just a dog".
I just don't understand why some people are so cruel, and dismissive to animals.
Anyway, thanks again.
Love,
Pink
Exactly, Sassy (Pink!) I can't understand child abuse, and I cannot tolerate animal abuse. That's why I am an elephants' rights activist. It's just one species among many that are targeted- strange, when they are so intelligent and powerful. Also rodeos- so cruel. Dog racing. Any sport or entertainment using animals. Worst of all is the abuse of pets in a home.
I guess if Kate could treat her kids that way, no shock she is cruel to the dog.
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Kate does a very good job paying all the bills by herself AND raising her children in a single parent household.
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And she should pay all the bills for her house. She wanted the big house.
And now she should pay for that big house and everything that comes with it all by herself.
Formerly Duped said... 107
Exactly, Sassy (Pink!) I can't understand child abuse, and I cannot tolerate animal abuse. That's why I am an elephants' rights activist. It's just one species among many that are targeted- strange, when they are so intelligent and powerful. Also rodeos- so cruel. Dog racing. Any sport or entertainment using animals. Worst of all is the abuse of pets in a home.
I guess if Kate could treat her kids that way, no shock she is cruel to the dog.
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Amen!
I even get creeped out when the circus comes to town, or see animals that should be free in zoos.
When it comes to children, the elderly, or animals I get very nervous/antsy when I see them in questionable situations.
Chapter 32.
Kate’s journal was found by me while combing through documents and computer discs and files that she threw in the trash, the day after she threw Jon out of the apartment above the garage for good.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24058-24060). . Kindle Edition.
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This explains, once and for all, how Robert got his hands on her journal. KATE through it in the trash HERSELF.
hahahaahahaa
aggiemom09121416 said... 110
The sheep will still question how he got it.-(LOL)
Kate could say she gave it to him and they still will question how her got it.
aggiemom09121416 said...110
''Chapter 32.
Kate’s journal was found by me while combing through documents and computer discs and files that she threw in the trash, the day after she threw Jon out of the apartment above the garage for good.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24058-24060). . Kindle Edition.
This explains, once and for all, how Robert got his hands on her journal. KATE through it in the trash HERSELF.
hahahaahahaa
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Exactly! AND, Robert said (more than once) that he took and PASSED the lie detector test about exactly how he obtained KK's journal!!
September 5, 2006 Today I was officially a horrible mommy. I failed all the way! I was absolutely awful to Collin who was awful to me! He does things just to irritate me! I told him at one point to sit in the corner (one of a million times) and he disregarded me and threw the one gate on the floor! I am too rough with him and the girls see that-- I feel so guilty that I treated him like that that I will set out tomorrow to be a better mommy! I need to pray for my relationship with Collin… I can’t explain it. I love him so much but I don’t understand him. His frustration is unexplained and I don’t know what he wants a lot of times… he just starts shrieking and I tend to ignore it a lot. He is such a sweet boy and so cute and smart. But I just don’t understand him!!!! Lord please help me to understand Collin and help me to only feel love when he is near!!!! Hold my frustration with him and help me to feel only love!!!!! Help me to be a loving mother who is slow to wrath and quick to love!!!!
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24393-24402). . Kindle Edition.
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I'm speechless.
They just love to ignore the fact that Jon also pays his bills by himself and raises his kids in a single parent household. Sheeple, they are both doing the same thing. I know you can't stand it but he is doing exactly what Kate does just as well.
This explains, once and for all, how Robert got his hands on her journal. KATE through it in the trash HERSELF.
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Much thanks to all for NOT correcting my incorrect word usage..I *know* it's THREW and not THROUGH..
(geez, am so embarrassed!!!!)
October is Breast Cancer awareness Month
This is for my Mom, her friend Marian, my friend Patti and countless other women. I hope it makes you smile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEdVfyt-mLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTyIhMLp3FA
Don't forget to get your mammies grammed.
Bad morning for Kate? I wonder what child got beat??
Kate...making every minute count!
aggiemom09121416 said... 115
"Much thanks to all for NOT correcting my incorrect word usage..I *know* it's THREW and not THROUGH..
(geez, am so embarrassed!!!!)"
Silly girl - I didn't even notice. We all do that kind of thing from time to time, don't worry about it. :D
Thank you for "Just a Dog". My dh says that & I get so angry!! My "Baby Girl" isn't "just a dog" and I don't want to think about ever being without her. I haven't loved a dog like this since I was a kid.
Admin, you are so right. Jon is ignored as a single parent "doing it all by himself." He obviously has the children enough that the issue of child support is over. Kate said it herself. "No child support." Doesn't that indicate Jon and Kate split the custody 50/50?
So hilarious about the Roloffs having more air-time on TLC! Must burn Kate up! I suppose she would see it as she has "moved on" from TLC. Delusional, do you think?
I want to put here something I saw on Jacob’s site:
The Best Things in Life Are Free
When we count our many blessings; It isn't hard to see that life's most valued treasures are the treasures that are free. For it isn't what we own or buy that signifies our wealth. It's the special gifts that have no price: our family, friends and health.
Author Unknown
I love this poem! It speaks so true! I want to remember it! I was hard on Joel the last few days… he says ‘no’ way too often and I must work that out of him!
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24834-24840). . Kindle Edition.
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(did Kate read the first part, and determine that the world owed her a living?? after all, the best parts of life are 'free'?
I believe her journal entries really speak to her loathing of 'icky boys'.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 114
They just love to ignore the fact that Jon also pays his bills by himself and raises his kids in a single parent household. Sheeple, they are both doing the same thing. I know you can't stand it but he is doing exactly what Kate does just as well.
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In fact, I'd say Jon is doing it "better" than Kate, because he's doing it on his own, or at most, with the occasional assistance from his new girlfriend. He doesn't have a "head of security" to manhandle the children when Kate is otherwise occupied, and I'm pretty sure he can't afford household help (personal chef, house cleaner, someone to purchase weekly groceries, afternoon "homework helpers", etc.) So when he has the kids - he really is doing all the parenting jobs that Kate farms out to paid help.
Collin decided to pour the beans all over the floor while I was inside peeling potatoes, so the girls told me and I sent all the offenders inside. Well Collin didn’t like that I sent him in and when I was out in the garage, I heard three large bangs… I went inside and three highchairs were on the floor literally. I was instantly so SO angry, that I grabbed him and spanked him as hard as I could and thought I may seriously injure him so I sent him to his crib…. And whipped him into it very hard! I for the first time thought I may really lose it and am glad that I just let him in his crib til Jon came home! I have never felt that I may really seriously injure a child but today was that day! I don’t know what it is about Collin! He is usually kind and caring and nice and tender but when his temper flairs…. Watch out! I don’t like that he doesn’t know how to handle his frustration and anger! I didn’t even get a chance to have him apologize to me because I had to drop everything and take Alexis to the doctor!
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24957-24962). . Kindle Edition.
ccording to the article, a 23 year old Texas woman could face life in prison for beating her two year old daughter and gluing her hands to the wall. A doctor testified that the mother beat the child so badly that she suffered significant brain trauma and bleeding. And why was the mother so angry at her daughter? Because of potty training problems. The mother pleaded guilty July 12.
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I may sound heartless, but for some people, I believe part of their punishment should be sterilization, so that they can never reproduce again. This woman should never be allowed anywhere near or in charge of any child, ever again. This is why I am such a proponent of letting potty training develop naturally. However, this young woman clearly is not fit for parenthood - ever.
aggiemom (#133) said:
September 5, 2006 Today I was officially a horrible mommy. I failed all the way! I was absolutely awful to Collin who was awful to me! He does things just to irritate me! I told him at one point to sit in the corner (one of a million times) and he disregarded me and threw the one gate on the floor! I am too rough with him and the girls see that-- I feel so guilty that I treated him like that that I will set out tomorrow to be a better mommy! I need to pray for my relationship with Collin… I can’t explain it. I love him so much but I don’t understand him. His frustration is unexplained and I don’t know what he wants a lot of times… he just starts shrieking and I tend to ignore it a lot. He is such a sweet boy and so cute and smart. But I just don’t understand him!!!! Lord please help me to understand Collin and help me to only feel love when he is near!!!! Hold my frustration with him and help me to feel only love!!!!! Help me to be a loving mother who is slow to wrath and quick to love!!!!
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This little boy had just turned 2! "Awful to her" "Disregarded her" "His frustration is unexplained" "She doesn't understand him" ???? What is this wretch talking about? He's barely 2 years old! What is her problem? And her prayer? He will read what she wrote about him and his heart will be broken! I would be devastated if I knew my mother felt that way about me. Poor little baby!
Sweet tart exactly. Arguably he is also doing it better because he's working in a field that is more stable and sustainable as opposed to what tv show can I get my ugly mug on this month, and he is living at or below his means.
"His frustration is unexplained and I don’t know what he wants a lot of times… he just starts shrieking and I tend to ignore it a lot."
Of course, it would never occur to her that his frustration was due to her ignoring him. She didn't know what he wants? What did she expect him to do--write down a list of what's bothering him?
HE WAS 2 YEARS OLD, KATE!!!
Kate shouldn't have kids or dogs near her. If she'll beat a two-year-old child in its crib, she'll beat a dog and have an evil grin on her face while she's doing it. The woman is a freaking monster.
This was on Carla's to do list which Kate wrote:
- straighten dog kitchen and take out their trash.... dumb dogs! :(
And speaking of furry family members being so much more than 'just a dog'... Did anybody see this last month?
Loyal Dog Spends Six Years at Master’s Grave
Katie Kindelan
Sep 14, 2012 2:31pm
While Harry Truman once advised, “If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog,” a pup in Argentina is proving that dogs will be your friend in the afterlife too.
The dog, a German shepherd named Capitan, has loyally sat by his owner’s grave for the past six years, rarely leaving the graveside of the man, Miguel Guzman, who adopted him as a gift for his teenage son in 2005.
Guzman died suddenly just one year later, in 2006, and when the family returned from his funeral, Capitan was gone, the UK’s Daily Mail reports.
“We searched for him but he had vanished,” Guzman’s widow reportedly told a local newspaper, The Cordoba. “We thought he must have got run over and died.”
When the family returned to the cemetery, which Capitan had never previously been to, just days later to visit Guzman’s grave the dog was there.
“He [Capitan] turned up here one day, all on his own, and started wandering all around the cemetery until he eventually found the tomb of his master,” the cemetery’s director, Hector Baccega, told the newspaper. “During the day he sometimes has a walk around the cemetery, but always rushes back to the grave. And every day, at 6 o’clock sharp, he lies down on top of the grave stays there all night.”
Staff at the cemetery, located in Villa Carlos Paz in central Argentina, are feeding and taking care of Capitan as their own and Guzman’s son, for whom Capitan was adopted, says he doesn’t think the dog will ever leave.
“I’ve tried to bring Capitan home several times, but he always comes straight back to the cemetery,” said the son, 15-year-old Damian. “I think he’s going to be there until he dies too. He’s looking after my dad.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/09/loyal-dog-spends-six-years-at-masters-grave/
"I don’t know what it is about Collin! He is usually kind and caring and nice and tender but when his temper flairs…. Watch out! "
Wonder where that temper comes from????????
"I don’t like that he doesn’t know how to handle his frustration and anger! I didn’t even get a chance to have him apologize to me because
I had to drop everything and take Alexis to the doctor!"
She expects her 2 year old to apologize to her? She owes the apology!
Who's the Grown Up? Oh right, never mind.
kris said... 125
''This little boy had just turned 2! "Awful to her" "Disregarded her" "His frustration is unexplained" "She doesn't understand him" ???? What is this wretch talking about? He's barely 2 years old! What is her problem? And her prayer? He will read what she wrote about him and his heart will be broken! I would be devastated if I knew my mother felt that way about me. Poor little baby!''
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kris, I understand what you're saying, but I must say that whatever he reads that she said about him when he was two, will only confirm what he already knows! That child knows only too well what KK thinks and feels about him...after all, he lived/survived it!! He and his brothers are STILL living it!! At least now, he is old enough to talk to Jon about it, and be soothed by Jon's love.
There are multiple journal entries describing, by her own hand, her temper,lack of control, severe discipline, etc etc with her kids....
I don't question her own words, but where were all the 'helpers' when all this abuse was going on? where was the helper supervision when kids were in the garage spilling beans, if she's inside peeling potatoes?
where are the multitude of helpers?
Remona you're right, he is still living it! :( I hope Kate realizes that in her later years she isn't going to be surrounded by her kids and grandkids. Maybe a couple of the girls (Mady, Hannah, possibly Leah) but Cara, Alexis and the boys, no way. They will be out of her hair as soon as they can and probably will never expose their kids to her.
Kate tweeted last night at 9:44pm ET:
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
After birthday celebrations done, visit to Ped for ear inf for 1 child,now watching DWTS w my bday girls! Having fun spending X w them!:)
This was right after Tony & Melissa's samba for which they scored all 9's. Anyone think Kate was a tad bit upset about that, and she had to turn to her tweeties for some "twitter love"? Especially since her prior tweet occured 5 hours earlier.
I have noticed this for years with Kate, she has no understanding of child development. She imposes expectations on a 2 year old they couldn't possibly meet at that age, then gets mad when they don't meet them. She expects a fantasy child. We have seen this on the show, in her tweets and now in her journals. It's yet another reason these journals are real, they are exactly how Kate is.
Well that answers that question. WWHL is on at 1130 this Wednesday.
@BravoAndy
11:30 for 6 weeks! “@MrsTeacher129: @BravoAndy if LOLwork premieres Wednesday at 11-what happens to WWHL?? New time on Wednesdays??”
She expects a fantasy child. We have seen this on the show, in her tweets and now in her journals. It's yet another reason these journals are real, they are exactly how Kate is.
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I've always thought this, too. Kate focused on that book of multiples, and she wanted kids like the ones in the BOOK. Kids in a BOOK don't get sick, need to eat, spill beans, pull plastic wrap off the counter, scream, fight, get dirty,poop, etc.
Unfortunately, the kids in the book weren't real kids. they were PICTURES of kids...
Kate wanted the book version, not the REALITY version.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 134
I have noticed this for years with Kate, she has no understanding of child development. She imposes expectations on a 2 year old they couldn't possibly meet at that age, then gets mad when they don't meet them. She expects a fantasy child. We have seen this on the show, in her tweets and now in her journals. It's yet another reason these journals are real, they are exactly how Kate is
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I was thinking that earlier and am baffled that she didn't learn human development in nursing school. Maybe diploma programs don't cover that?
Kate needs God to help her feel love for her little baby boy! WTH??? I think think her own words are proof she didn't want them, she needed them for fame and money! And how was she rewarded?? With fame and money!
She calls her young , unattended , dogs "dumb dogs" . The only word I can think of is " BITCH" sorry I feel such disgust with this woman and her enablers, who have the nerve to come here and defend her!
Grrrrrrrr!
( Let's Throw Tomatoes )
I think what surprises me is that she has had 2 children go through the toddler years before the sextuplets and she remained so completely
clueless about child development. Probably should say remains.
Strange, how Kate can spend $500 or more on a meat slicer, and exercise equipt, but can't spend at most $20 per kid for Halloween.
Don't get me wrong. I am glad Mr. Hoffman wrote the book, but can you say such things against people (Steven and Beth) and not get in trouble?
Aggiemom I do not comment here but I do read here often. Mr. Hoffman said he had proof to back up his claims and the journal was his proof. So what he states about Kate are her words not his. He cannot be held accountable for any libel or slander if what he prints or says is true. Kate would basically have to go on a witness stand and say she lied when she wrote those things about herself, but even then those were her words.
When he addresses Beth and Steve he states IMO which again he cannot be held libel for an opinion, unless that opinion is stated as fact, correct me if I am wrong administrator.
I feel this way about Beth I think much of the child issues happened around the time when Beth befriended her. If she read the journals she might have felt by staying a friend with Kate that she could help her overcome her frustration and ease her temper around the children. Since she was filmed she might have been required to sign a CA. Beth spoke very little after the split with Kate however read it as you will she did say the children could come to her when they were older and she would explain what happened.
I was thinking that earlier and am baffled that she didn't learn human development in nursing school. Maybe diploma programs don't cover that?
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It wouldn't have mattered. She doesn't learn well, just ask Tony.
She's got a short fuse and a bad temper which could be a lethal combination around babies. It's a good thing she had an army of helpers around while they were tiny infants or who knows what would have happened.
Sarah Palin is writing a fitness book:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/shockingly-thin-sarah-palin-writing-fitness-book-article-1.1178693
Keep burning those bridges, Kate!
Kate is or was a child abuser no if and butts about it.
Sorry to post so much today, I am *trying* to finish the book. Some weren't able to purchase it before it was yanked, so I've tried to share pertinent passages.
If I post too much tell me to sit in the corner!!!!!!!
NO LIE
:)
How heart breaking for Collin. Just last year She was caught after kids got off the school bus, tightening her entire hand around his mouth, squeezing it so that her hand indented into his face. Dr. Lillian Glassman had a column about that specific picture. Collin never moved, he stood there, not being able to breathe, her hand tighter and tighter around his mouth and nose so that he could not breathe. Check it out. This is just this past year, not when he was 2 and sitting in drive ways with his pants down and he didn't want to sit on those potty chairs for all the men to ogle him. Nor the impaction in the back of the van.
This woman is dangerous. Little does anyone know just how far she will go with punishment. Until he does something drastic. He is 8, but he is so angry that she better stay a step a head of Collin, his rage must be worse now with her. But she can overwhelm him with her weight and new muscles. She better lock herself in that bedroom because she will push that child too far, she has been doing it for a long long time now.
How heart breaking for Collin. Just last year She was caught after kids got off the school bus, tightening her entire hand around his mouth, squeezing it so that her hand indented into his face. Dr. Lillian Glassman had a column about that specific picture. Collin never moved, he stood there, not being able to breathe, her hand tighter and tighter around his m
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Robert addresses this exact pic. He says the little boy was going to yell to the paps, and Kate stopped him. (Robert says the kids like the few paps, due to their dad being nice to them)
Angie said... 146
How heart breaking for Collin. Just last year She was caught after kids got off the school bus, tightening her entire hand around his mouth, squeezing it so that her hand indented into his face. Dr. Lillian Glassman had a column about that specific picture. Collin never moved, he stood there, not being able to breathe, her hand tighter and tighter around his mouth and nose so that he could not breathe. Check it out.
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Heartbreakingly, RH discusses this in the book. He says Colin saw a pap he recognized and smiled, waved, and said hi which led to that action by Kate. RH said she slapped him then covered his mouth.
We might be able to post a link to this website on news blogs....but for those journalists that did not get a chance to read the book, we can email the link of this website to them and tell them we have direct quotes from the book.
Kate's paid help are doing everything they can to bury this story. Don't let them do it!!!
She has not changed for the better one bit...she is more self indulgent everyday. And she "wrath" against her kids only grows worse. IMO
She's got a short fuse and a bad temper which could be a lethal combination around babies. It's a good thing she had an army of helpers around while they were tiny infants or who knows what would have happened. 142
AuntieAnn, imagining otherwise is terrifying.
Excerpted from a poem by Pamela Redmond Satran
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW... That she can't change the length of her calves, The width of her hips, or the nature of her parents..
EVERY WOMAN SHOULD KNOW...That her childhood may not have been perfect...But it's over...
Adding, if you are going to have children, it's your obligation to seek and accept help when you recognize that you need it.
Professional help.
I'm NOT referring to her army of "helpers," who signed required CAs and got kicked out for disagreeing/criticizing.
Anonymous said... 141
No, Beth was one of the volunteers for the babies when they first came home. She would often take fussy ones out, to her home, or to the store for stimulation. She would have known how Kate treated the volunteers ( eg.yogurt owner) plus all the rules and expectations for freebies, as well as how Kate treated Jon and all the kids.Then they spent a lot of time together with the journals.Maybe she tried to help, no one but Beth and Kate know.
Aggiemom I bought the book but I can't get myself to read it. I would have to drink my whole bottle of Nexium to control my ulcer! I have only read the first 4 chapters! I like and appreciate that you are putting it out in small dosages.
I wish Robert had sent a copy of the book to all the media outlets before selling it. With maybe the publicity he would have sold so many books before they yanked it!
He would have made so much money he would have needed several accounts in many banks! And I would be okay with that!!
Localyocul said... 148
''Heartbreakingly, RH discusses this in the book. He says Colin saw a pap he recognized and smiled, waved, and said hi which led to that action by Kate. RH said she slapped him then covered his mouth.''
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In hindsight, now that we've read the journal (specifically this comment) I'm now wondering if we can look at all those photos of Colin covering his face in a different way.
We thought it was because he didn't want to be photographed, but what if the real reason was because he was afraid the expression on his face might make KK think he was being friendly to the paps? In order to not get punished, he just covered his face so KK wouldn't punish him. The same way he apparently just forced himself to not poop and get beaten by her, and became impacted!!
@Kate(is_mental)PlusMy8 said...
"If u were here now youd c me:in my pjs just back from bus stop,2nd coffee in hand,&a moment by moment list that Im alrdy 20 min behind on!"
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I try not to joke about abuse or mental disorders... but is this woman seriously insane? Is picking up the pink iPhone constantly, to tweet about being a few minutes late for tossing some dough in the breadmaker necessary? I mean, really? Is this Kate's way of deflecting from Gosselin Book's existence and her apparent violent child abuse? I don't even have to read the book, I buy every bit of it, and I trust Robert Hoffman is also a truther!
Kate is right no one can help her-- simply because she won't seek help for herself.
Has she tweeted anything about appearing on Andy Cohen's "Watch What Happens Live" (WWHL) on Bravo, day after tomorrow? Hmm... I think I'll pose a few questions and send them in, for the "Plead the Fifth" segment of the show.
"How about that Hit & Run, Katie?... How do YOU personally feel about abortion?... Is it true you cheated on Jon in the early days? ('Cause he sure mentioned it, in a candid car interview in a parking lot- years ago, when you were at your nastiest!)"
Makes you kind of wonder more about why Collin crawled under the van last year. Kate said "&kind Collin offered w my permission2retrieve Hannah's dropped h2o bottle."
She probably threatened him with the spoon if he didn't go retrieve it.
{This is very LONG, so PLEASE skim if you're inclined to bitch about personal stories.}
I have a CPS story that I've never told anyone, not even my husband.
It happened three years ago but it still bothers me. Administrator, if it's not o.k. to tell it here (My Safe Place), just delete it with my apologies.
A very young girl (maybe 18 yrs. old at most) lived in the apartment above mine. She had a brand new baby who cried at least 20 out of 24 hours a day. When I say "cried," I mean screamed in agony all day and most of the night. This kind of crying far surpassed "the baby's hungry and maybe the mother is trying to breastfeed but it's not working out" type of crying; I thought maybe the infant was born with some kind of awful congenital problem that no one caught before mother and baby left the hospital. Or worse, maybe the mother was like kHate and...
So I finally called CPS who told me I had to call the police first. The police told me to call CPS first.
I called CPS back and told the lady what the police said and she was MAD; it was so weird I almost said the hell with it. Then I thought of that poor baby and begged the CPS lady to help him/her. Well, the angry lady said she "could NOT" file a report, make a home visit, or "allow me" to contact the Child Abuse Hotline until the police dept. did whatever they were supposed to do. She told me NOT to call her again until I had called the police AGAIN. She hung up on me. So now both the CPS lady and the police were REALLY ANGRY and I was just sick at heart like WTH; I thought I was doing the right thing. I called the police back and told the whole story of the baby again; the officer seemed to be writing it down.
About two hours later there was a knock at my door. I was so relieved - it must be the police officer, but no...It was the girl with the baby in her arms, suckling on her breast. She was accompanied by a six foot tall, 300lb. friend. They let me have it with every threat and cuss word in the book. The mother was literally screaming at me, as did the baby at that point!
I lied and told her it wasn't me who called. I was alone 18 hours a day and didn't want to deal with that kind of stress. (I have Sympathetic Reflex Dystrophy and stress makes it worse.) It would take my husband almost three hours to get home if I needed him. The mother just HISSED at me and said, "The cops said it was YOU, they SAID."
From then on, every time I left or came home from the dr.s or grocery store, I was surrounded and "verbally assaulted" in the parking lot by the girl's family members.
I was too chicken to call the police; that would be like admitting I'd done something to piss her off and draw attention to myself.
Luckily, my BPD and NPD mom died during this time and she left me a little money in her will. A month later we used every penny of $9,000.00 to get the hell out of there. My husband walks a block and a half to work now; it's so much better.
I hope I never hear a baby cry like that, ever, ever again, because I worry I've lost the courage to tell anyone, especially CPS.
Kate says: "BUT, I am a different person now", as she clenches her teeth, complaining "every minute counts", and she is "20 minutes behind schedule".................OOOOHHHH, nO!!
Localyocul said... 135
Well that answers that question. WWHL is on at 1130 this Wednesday.
@BravoAndy
11:30 for 6 weeks! “@MrsTeacher129: @BravoAndy if LOLwork premieres Wednesday at 11-what happens to WWHL?? New time on Wednesdays??”
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I don't think that tweet was referring to this week. The show "LOLwork" premieres on Bravo starting Wed. Nov. 7(according to the Bravo website)
The way I interpret it, the question tweeted to Andy was asking what happens to WWHL on Wednesdays once the show LOLwork starts.
My cable guide still has WWHL listed as starting at llpm.
I wonder if Kate spent $500+ on the Iphone5 and that's.
The reason why she won't buy candy & costumes?
It's pathetic and sad that Kate has become so unglued she can't even bring herself to acknowledge Jon's heavy role in the raising of his children. She also gave herself away as a liar--she said nothing has changed as far as custody. Then that would mean Jon has every other weekend. If so, why does she tweet every weekend about the kids being with her? Thought it was all "the same" Kate????
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My friend just texted me a pic of the kids with Jon at a frozen yogurt place, just ten minutes ago. (the pic is from the back, btw). Liz and three little blondies were there too. But she said they were having a blast, going back and refilling their yogurt cups...and guess what - it didn't cause a PANIC!!!!!!!!!
alana, that's a really sad story, and a poor commentary on the services available to children at risk. You can find a bit of comfort in knowing you tried to do the right thing. The systems failed but you didn't.There was nothing more you could do.I hope the poor baby somehow found help.
Alana #156..I don't want to make you upset but did you try going to her apartment to find out what was going on first? The baby may have had a medical problem or something. Maybe you should have tried talking to the parents and maybe offer some help before calling the police or CPS.
AuntieAnn said... 142
I was thinking that earlier and am baffled that she didn't learn human development in nursing school. Maybe diploma programs don't cover that?
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It wouldn't have mattered. She doesn't learn well, just ask Tony.
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I wouldnt have mattered, since she alreadys knows everything and besides, she is so special that nothing about the human species actually applies to her.
She memorized just enough to pass a test or two and then promptly shoved it out of her brain to make more room for the good manufactures or false eyelashes.
In retrospect it's good you didn't go to the apt. The girl had 'friends' who could have made trouble for you, or do worse to the baby.We should be able to rely on the police to investigate such a complaint and CPS to follow-up. I've heard awful stories of how overworked they are and there just is not enough time to checkout every complaint, but at what cost?
Makes you kind of wonder more about why Collin crawled under the van last year. Kate said "&kind Collin offered w my permission2retrieve Hannah's dropped h2o bottle."
She probably threatened him with the spoon if he didn't go retrieve it.
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Sadly enough, as Kate says in her journal, "collin wants me to love him so bad'(paraphrased)...he probably still does, so he does everything he can to help her, so she will love him. A child wants a mother's love.
As far as the young lady that reported the neighbor, that's horrid. Calls should be anonymous. Hopefully your area has improved their procedures.
alana, you tried your best. Bless you for that. And shame on those authorities for not doing a thing.
Berks Resident, yay the kids are enjoying froyo tonight! Go ahead kids, lick, slurp and drip...
Formerly Duped..it could have been something like colic. Babies scream when they have colic. If there was no screaming or yelling on the parents part or things crashing in the apartment I would have to think that it was something more like colic. Lending a friendly hand would have been my first response. If things seemed off kilter after that, then I would have called the authorities.
Ooh, I have another question for the WWHL Show... Do it, Andy! (You see, some of the public tweeters are pissed Ms. Gosselin will be a guest this week. No surprise there.)
"Um, Kate?? Are the recent screen shots on @SchmeckyGXXX's Twitter feed from Gosselin Book authentic?...
Is that YOUR e-mail to Gina Neild, telling her that you will be good if she lets you toss a gala for her folks at your pad? Oh my!! You wrote you were not going to drink anymore, and had your fill of the Rumspinga... so to speak. Where were your children, Kate?"
Kate told Gina it was her 'New Years Resolution' to stop drinking. Makes me wonder what kind of trouble she got into with Gina, and if she's jellus of our many celebrated Rumspringas, as she angrily reads here... Cheers!
Perhaps Kate drunk-sexted a photo of her new fake boobs to Jamie's husband one night? (Ahem- Mr. Stubbs, LOL ;) Jamie might have been returning the favor, with the Rack-Gate pics to Jon. Boy we know way too much now, don't we?
I now feel so guilty for being such an avid fan of the show during those early days. The neglect is as hard for me to bear as the beatings. She is a thousand times worse than I ever imagined and I wish I had never watched. No wonder the kids looked at her so questionably when she was remotely kind to them when the cameras were rolling. She is so unworthy of those children. No wonder Jon went off the deep end at first. He knew she was a terrible mother and I do so wish he had not made that statement "she is a good mother." I wonder if she didn't tell him he could have more custody if he would make that statement. And the saddest part as the children get older, and bigger, the more violent those confrontations will become and she will adopt other measures of control as from what has been said on the show she very liberally sends to bed without dinner. If she won't eat at the table don't let her have anything and make her go straight to bed. If someone had said that to me I would have said hellooo - not on my watch. If you get her wet, we won't get dinner. Right there on camera and it went right over the heads of 3 million people including me.
My sweet female dog, Nouschi Belle, wants me to tell you that calling Kate a bitch is speciesist and insulting to female dogs, who nurture their litters, often of far more than 6 at a time.
She is trying to write a Cease and Desist order but I won't let her have my pen...
PS this is really me, I just got rid of some Capital Letters.
Berks Resident said... 160
My friend just texted me a pic of the kids with Jon at a frozen yogurt place, just ten minutes ago. (the pic is from the back, btw). Liz and three little blondies were there too. But she said they were having a blast, going back and refilling their yogurt cups...and guess what - it didn't cause a PANIC!!!!!!!!!
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Awwww Berks! After a rough week or so reading about the suffering these kids have endured, it's heartwarming to hear they are just having a plain old- panic free trip to the yogurt shop. I hope they eat until they are about to burst and the yogurt dribbles without any fear of an irrational tirade from their gestational carrier :0)
Happy Birthday M&C!
With all of this information that is being brought out about Kate and the kids, I am appalled.
First and formost I want to say that I am appalled by Beth. On this blog and others, she was always respected and everyone thought that Kate shoved her aside because of some arguement.
However, from Robert's book, we now know different. It boggles my mind that Beth probably knew alot of the "behind the scenes" issues, and witnessed them firsthand. Yet, she wrote the book that helped make Kate famous and talked about what a good mother she was. No wonder Robert is disgusted by her. We gave Beth the benefit of the doubt, and as far as I'm concerned, it was proven what kind of individual she really is.
Bearswife said... 92
Dwindle dear, this poem is for you!
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wow. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Tucker's Mom Said:
Berks Resident, yay the kids are enjoying froyo tonight! Go ahead kids, lick, slurp and drip...
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Yes and it's TUESDAY night not the weekend. Imagine that!! So much for SuperMom doing everything herself. This made me smile tonight!
Thanks for the smile, Berks! I finished the book a week or so ago and it still haunts me - it was especially good to see your comment!
Pity Party said... 169
I now feel so guilty for being such an avid fan of the show during those early days. The neglect is as hard for me to bear as the beatings. She is a thousand times worse than I ever imagined and I wish I had never watched. No wonder the kids looked at her so questionably when she was remotely kind to them when the cameras were rolling
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don't feel guilty, apparently she was 'disciplining' these kids before the show came calling.
Dwindle, welcome back and I hope that you and your family are doing well. Missed you for the last few days and you were in my thoughts.
YEA!!!!!!!!
DWINDLE'S IN THE HOUSE!!!!
YIPEE!!
missed your snarkiness, Oh Queen!
(I am kneeling)
:)
I wish Jon would take the boys somewhere and get DIRTY...4 wheelin' in some mud for starters....
how 'bout some good ol' paintball???
Give them plenty of greasy gooey cheeseburgers, milk shakes, french fries...and NONE of it organic.
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Where is Robert? Has anyone heard from him? Is he ok?
Berks -- thank you for the happy, normal report. We needed to read that. Jon has them on a Tuesday night. Hummm....
Just plaid and simple good news.
Missing in Action said... 179
Where is Robert? Has anyone heard from him? Is he ok?
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Oh, I was just thinking the same thing. And Admin, too -- she's been so quiet lately. Hope they're both well.
Plain and simple good news. I don't know what plaid news would be!
Berks, That confirms what Liz tweeted earlier today about Jon having them for dinner. Yay!!
January 9, 2007
After yesterday, with the incessant crib crawling out of Leah, Collin and Joel, and the locking themselves into Cara and Mady’s room and writing on the walls with markers, and my meltdown that went with it, all while they were here filming, I was determined to have a better day today! And I did. I really talked to the kids on and on about staying in their cribs and how happy it would make me and how I would hug and kiss and jump up and down and be happy if they did… (they had climbed out this am already and so instead of spanking, that doesn’t work, I decided to put them back in their cribs and make them stay in there for at least a half hour and let everyone else come down stairs… that makes them quite upset) after nap, everyone was in their cribs so the girls and I danced and hugged and jumped and on and on to let them know we were so happy! Life was good at that moment!
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 24986-24989). . Kindle Edition.
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uh....if the kids are constantly climbing out of their cribs....maybe they spend TOO much time in their cribs you idiot.
Alana, No way should you have gone to that women's apt, no matter how much screaming. All Police Depts have a separate number. You call that number, not the emergency number, and you will talk to someone who has time to talk to you. All of you, you explain what is going on in your bldg., next door, down the street, etc., BUT you ask that your name NOT be repeated. If you can't get anywhere with the Police or CPS? YOU CALL THE NEWS STATIONS and they will get to the POLICE Pronto. Never go near someone who is having problems. Sorry, but Domestic Problems including what you "think' IS GOING ON IS also a possibility of putting your life in danger.
In this world, we do what we can do, but to get deeply involved is a matter for the police, CPS and the news stations.
If I sound cold, cruel, etc., it is a matter of your life. Are you that young stud 300lb guy who can look down the barrel of a gun? No way. So do what we all can do, pick up that phone and make those phone calls and NEVER approach the situation. Even my older brother who was in the police departments and US Marine Reserves for 30 yrs and many horrible situations have occured would say "we never approach a domestic situation without BACKUP". So if a police officer with training and a gun, all kinds of equipment on him waits for assistance, then that tells us we can not help the world on the spur of the moment. Help is there. Whether by the
Grace of God we can be there to help that poor person is not always in our power.Danger lurks around every corner. We pray we can always help and what you did Alana was good and luckily you got out of that bldg. Rest. You did what you could do. Even Administrator will tell you, you can only do so much in this life, we are not superwomen, we would like to think we could help, but never, ever go to someone's door, never. Sorry ladies but I do know what I talk of.
she had to pee…. and then so did Hannah. I had planned on starting on Monday, January 22, but I gave in and let them start. This time they seemed very ready! So out came the pull ups (the bad parenting method that I have given into to avoid the stream of pee I would have training six…. my stress level has decreased immensely since I decided that pull-ups are the way to go!)
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 25006-25008). . Kindle Edition.
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Does this mean she tried to grift a life-time supply of pullups and didn't score???
*snicker*
(and what they hell's wrong with pullups? I thought they were a God-send.)
Dwindle, glad you are back. Missed your sporadic laughter, you are full of life, no matter how sad your days at work may be.
April 10, 2007
Tonight when I was disciplining him(Aaden)I included ‘…. And I love you….’ And he looked immediately up and said ‘I love you too’. Well that just totally melted me!!!!! His little small voice just does me in!!!! … Poor little Joel- he is in love with his daddy and wants to be loved by me. I do love him… but I hate to say that his father-like cluelessness makes me crazy!
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 25139-25144). . Kindle Edition.
Jane said... 181
Missing in Action said... 179
Where is Robert? Has anyone heard from him? Is he ok?
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Oh, I was just thinking the same thing. And Admin, too -- she's been so quiet lately. Hope they're both well
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Don't quote me on the specific wording, but if I'm remembering correctly, Admin posted something over the weekend about being really busy of late--all good stuff, but it's pulled her away from the blog at times. She thanked her co-administrators & gave a hat tip to the Mr. Admins for their support. :)
Berks that's great. It's inevitable Kate would be caught in a lie. Would your friend be ok if we used the pic on the blog with kids blurred?
Dmasy said... 180
Berks -- thank you for the happy, normal report. We needed to read that. Jon has them on a Tuesday night. Hummm...
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People who claim to value the children's privacy should not "need" to read about what they are doing on any given night.
aggiemom09121416 said... 165
Makes you kind of wonder more about why Collin crawled under the van last year. Kate said "&kind Collin offered w my permission2retrieve Hannah's dropped h2o bottle."
She probably threatened him with the spoon if he didn't go retrieve it.
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Sadly enough, as Kate says in her journal, "collin wants me to love him so bad'(paraphrased)...he probably still does, so he does everything he can to help her, so she will love him. A child wants a mother's love.
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Now this is so sad poor Colin.
Ooooo I just saw a hit and run! Check the fences
So terribly sad to read all of these chapters through the postings. I do think that Kate did not want anyone raising her kids or be the boss except herself. She had people doing the dirty work, cleaning, laundry but she wanted those kids to only want her when she was home. She resented Jodi, Beth (but gosh Beth is surprising my thinking now when she knew about those journals)and Jon. Kate wanted mine all mine to mean those kids. Well some of those kids do not like her at all. Not at all. I did over the time I had to get my bells and whistles put on my computer view some you tube segments on Kate and Jon and the kids and even Steve. Kate had so many personality changes, so many different looks, so much nastiness with the hired help out on trips. Everyone was hired help. Never a pleasant person. So how do you think that helps the kids form personalities? Scary. Those children were pulled from TV just in time.
Kate never tweets about the boys or if she does it rare.
She might tweet a pic about the boys. But it seems she never has a happy tweet about her sons.
What is up with that?
Who the hell needs to pray to God to help them love their baby?? I had a very colicky baby..cried from 5 pm to 2am. SCREAMED. Would not let me put her down. Never napped longer than 45 min even as a newborn. And I loved her more than life itself.
Hypocrisy 101 said... 191
Dmasy said... 180
Berks -- thank you for the happy, normal report. We needed to read that. Jon has them on a Tuesday night. Hummm...
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People who claim to value the children's privacy should not "need" to read about what they are doing on any given night.
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Given the recent book relevations, it's important to hear these children are finally experiencing some normalcy.
*I guess it would be okay if Kate tweeted it, though?*
Hypocrisy 101 -- thanks for reminding me to re-think. However, we have read so much dreadful news about the kids lately that it was refreshing to know they were doing something carefree. I hope I didn't invade their privacy.
They deserve both -- anonymity and freedom.
May 16, 2007 Today I think I crossed the line. With the kids. All was sorta fine up til naptime. During naptime, Alexis and Joel trashed their room TWICE and were spanked both times…. they had to stay in their beds for a long time and when I allowed them to come down with everyone else… and FIVE minutes later they were into the m &ms (potty training rewards) with Collin and I really REALLY lost it! I pulled Collin up by the hair and I spanked them so hard!!! I love them so much but I was so very angry with them! I put them back in their beds for their safety and I have apologized many many times but I still feel very very guilty!!! I love them and I saw my dad in myself today and that really scares me!!!!! Lord I am begging you to help me be a loving caring kind and slow to anger mommy. Please stop me somehow from hurting my kids and help me to be slow to anger!!!! I love them SOOO much. Help them to obey me!!!!! And not get into trouble!!!!! Please Lord, amen!!!!
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 25245-25251). . Kindle Edition.
aggiemom09121416 said... 197
Hypocrisy 101 said... 191
Dmasy said... 180
Berks -- thank you for the happy, normal report. We needed to read that. Jon has them on a Tuesday night. Hummm...
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People who claim to value the children's privacy should not "need" to read about what they are doing on any given night.
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Given the recent book relevations, it's important to hear these children are finally experiencing some normalcy.
*I guess it would be okay if Kate tweeted it, though?*
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If you think it's okay for strangers to take pictures of the Gosselin children and then have those sightings reported on blogs, but think it's wrong for Kate to tweet about her children, that is hypocritical.
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