'I know without a doubt that we did the right thing.'
We will do a “book club” style discussion of a few chapters at a time as we read the book together. You are free to read with the group or skip ahead. You are also free to discuss whatever you like, however if you want to partake in the book club discussion, this thread is here to discuss the designated chapters. Robert Hoffman’s book “Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World” was available on Amazon for Kindle, but has been suspended with an unknown date when it will be available again. The Kindle app is free for multiple platforms, including PCs.
8. Show Me the Money!!!!! Part 1
Kate has been marketing the sextuplets even before they were
born. She invited dozens of media to their first birthday party. She requested
a 15-passenger van and that people give Target gift cards in lieu of sending
gifts.
Kate was extremely paranoid that
other families with multiples could steal her thunder. Betty Hayes, a New Jersey mother of
sextuplets and two sets of twins, called Kate asking about their first special
and about being paid and receiving freebies. Kate writes that she is “mad” that
the Hayes are getting another special, and “I am merely trying to provide
for my family and rely on the Lord to do so! He is in control and I HATE this
competition pressure I am forced to deal with!
After the first Discovery special aired and did well, talks
commenced for a second special and a 20-episode contract. Discovery agreed to
pay the family $2,000 an episode, with many things comped including Disney
World and the grocery shopping trip to Giant. Kate was involved in a lot of
back and forth e-mails with producer Jen Stocks about episode ideas and money.
As time went on, Kate grew more demanding about what things Discovery would
comp. She also continued to take checks and cash from fans, friends and
relatives, sometimes checks for several hundred dollars or more.
In October 2006, Kate’s grandmother died. Kate wrote this
about the funeral: “Her service was
nice except that our mother tried to preach to us children through her tribute
to grandma… none of us appreciated that!!!”
In March 2007, Kate called Discovery’s treatment of them
“wining and dining” and refers to it as
a “magical time.” For
season two, Jon and Kate wanted $6,000 an episode. Discovery negotiated them
down to $5,000.
Kate
obsessively tried to line up other money making opportunities, for example
commercials. She accused Discovery of “sucking the life” out of deals after
there was concern a commercial she wanted to do for Fridgidaire might compete
with some of their other advertisers. Kate had visions of filming even when she
was “old and gray.” In one email she writes: “I also
want to secure a 'foreverness' for our family (house, college etc) that goes
beyond our show so that when I look back when I am old and gray (and probably
STILL filming- ha ha) I know without a doubt that we did the right thing.”
9. Show Me the Money!!!!! Part 2
The Gosselins made less money per episode than some sources
have reported. Season one they made $2,000 an episode. Season two and three
they made $5,000 an episode. Season four was $9,000 per episode, which was
later re-negotiated to $22,500. Season five stayed at $22,500 per episode.
Kate hired a new manager, Julie Carson May, in April 2008.
May was heavily involved in contract negotiations. She fought to try to limit
the family’s commitment to the show to an average of three days a week, that
each season include at least 35 episodes, and that the family would be
compensated for episodes even if they used old footage from previous seasons
(i.e. flashback episodes), for first class travel and “overages” of $600 a day
per family member and $75 per diem per day per family member. She proposed a
ghost writer to write TLC’s Jon and Kate blog because Kate didn’t have time. Tax
obligations were flagged as something to be discussed. She wanted the
family to have input and approval over merchandising.
The list of freebies Kate was able to get Discovery and others to pay for or at least offer to her is astounding. Landscaping, fences, Gymboree, ski clothes for Cara, a condo near Cancun, a beach house in North Carolina, an offer for filming a breast augmentation in San Diego and subsequent recovery at a resort called The Hideaway [Admin note: My source says Kate ultimately chose Dr. Glassman to do her breasts, without filming. In the book she indeed says she has a choice between Glassman (but no filming) orSan Diego
(filming), though doesn’t say which one she ended up choosing. One wonders if
some kind of executive decision was made to keep the boob job secret for image
reasons, even though they had an offer to film it.], at least $500 a week at Ann Taylor, make-up, Olay daily facials, Crest whitestrips, camping equipment,
furniture, Charmin toilet paper, invisible fence for the dogs, and a trip to
Niagara Falls. Kate responded to an
offer from a doctor to give just Jon
Lasik surgery that she wanted it for both
of them. Kate frequently follows up with those who gave her free
things, straight out asking for more and claiming how much she talks about how
great their products are.
The list of freebies Kate was able to get Discovery and others to pay for or at least offer to her is astounding. Landscaping, fences, Gymboree, ski clothes for Cara, a condo near Cancun, a beach house in North Carolina, an offer for filming a breast augmentation in San Diego and subsequent recovery at a resort called The Hideaway [Admin note: My source says Kate ultimately chose Dr. Glassman to do her breasts, without filming. In the book she indeed says she has a choice between Glassman (but no filming) or
Kate once shamelessly skipped out on a scheduled weekly
conference call with Discovery to go to the spa. There were also discussions
about a deal for Cara and Mady to “write” a series of children’s books. Perhaps
most disturbing of all, there was discussion about designing an iPhone game
around the children. Part of the game description includes: “The game starts with the player taking on the roll of Kate on Monday
morning. The player must get through 7
day/night cycles to win the games first level.
Each level will not only be separated by days, but each day will also be
separated in sections breakfast time, lunch and dinner time, with bedtime being
the goal the player trying to reach each day. The first week is an example of
basic daily life, from getting the oldest kids ready for school to getting the
rest of the kids ready for their meals, in this case breakfast. Each of the
kids run of different timers, where they will get antsy, crying or even have a
full tantrum depending on how long they are left alone or not given what they
need.”
Kate and Beth received a $100,000 advance for their book
Multiple Blessings. A deal with Kmart for their holiday campaign that only
required three-days of work paid $158,000 plus up to $5,000 for a security team
of Kate’s choosing. There was also a $25,000 Proctor and Gamble deal.
10. A Family Under (Discovery's) Control
Discovery maintained a frightening amount of control over the family contractually, including where they would travel, what they wore and even how they styled their hair. Discovery also had several provisions limiting their liability and obligations to the family. They specifically prohibited the Gosselins from subjecting their contracts to union rules such as SAG. [Admin note: Huge red flag they were taking advantage of the family and actively trying to circumvent any built in protections in the entertainment industry’s unions.] The contract also included a provision that the Gosselins would “guarantee” the children’s “performance” and “obligations.” Discovery released themselves of all responsibility in the event of an accident or even death. They also had a provision excluding them from any worker’s compensation claims. Any personal photos and video the family took in the course of the show was the property of Discovery. Discovery could terminate the contract at any time for any reason without owing the Gosselins a cent. It was the Gosselin’s obligation to secure any necessary work permits and travel documents. They also wrote in the right to sue should any member of the family breach any of their obligations. In other words, Discovery could bail on the family at any time without consequence, but there would be hell to pay if any member of the family ever tried the same thing (and as we all saw, there was).
1844 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1601 – 1800 of 1844 Newer› Newest»The one tall dresser was toppled, lying on its’ face. The lamp was scattered, the light bulb shattered with shards of glass everywhere.
And she didn't hear that on the baby monitor???? You'd think the dresser falling would make quite the noise. And the light bulb shattering is kind of a unique sound.
I'm voting that she was in her room, door locked, no baby monitor. Wonder what Steve was doing that he didn't hear a dresser falling over...
From the Paps: “Kate came flying by at excessive speed and reached speeds over 100 mph in traffic heading toward Lancaster. She continued past Lancaster and got off at the Elizabethtown exit, trying to lose the paps the entire time. She pulled into a residential neighborhood and into a driveway to a house and quickly jumped out and shuttled the boys inside.”
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 19181-19184). . Kindle Edition.
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After reading this book twice, I cannot come up with one good thing to say about Kate Gosselin.
what a horrible person. she should be ashamed of herself. blech!
OK, I swore I wouldn't comment, and what Kate does is WRONG, but why are these paps continuing to pursue her at high speeds, knowing she has kids in the car? Do they need a picture that badly?
While reading this book I'm about to get out the credit card and head out to the nearest psychiatrist. I don't know about anyone else but reading about EVERYTHING this woman is doing and has done is bringing back so many things that I thought I have overcome.
The part where she prayed for God to help her to not hurt her children and then add I love them so much caused my memory to hear my mom say, I knew I was a bad mom but I loved you kids so much. I couldn't stand the thought of giving you away and being without you, so killing myself was the only way you could have a better life and me not long for you to come back. Obviously it didn't work because she is still here.
That story in itself is a guilt trip, yes I still hear it and I'm in my early fifty's. What good message could come to a child's mind if your mother said that. That stupid book, I just want you to know, is exactly a guilt trip to those children but I don't think for one minute the children are the only ones she wanted to know how she sacrificed her time, emotions, strength and self..single mommy.. all for them.
Oh, I have to stop again. I'm getting too riled up.
I live in a 2 story house & when I'm downstairs I can hear when people are walking across the wood floor upstairs so I can't imagine (even with the baby monitor turned off)not hearing a dresser falling over?!
I dunno, I can't fathom this womans thinking and honestly know that only by the grace of God those kids haven't been seriously injured.
aggiemom09121416 said... 194
Saturday, June 23, 2007 Lord help Jon and I to be able to let go of our frustration and ugliness and help our words to each other be kind patient and loving. Take away our ugly parenting and replace it with LOVE!!!!! Monday, July 16, 2007 Today is quite a rough day! I am being horrible to my kids, and they have also been horrible! Tuesday, July 17, 2007 When I came up from nap, I found a site that only a burglar should make!!!! The one tall dresser was toppled, lying on its’ face. The lamp was scattered, the light bulb shattered with shards of glass everywhere. In addition to that, there was a two foot long and one foot high section of the wall that was peeled down to the brown part (into) the drywall!!!! Those pieces were strewn everywhere in the room. Then the ‘locked’ box of lotions and potions was opened and on the floor with the contents smeared everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do you like this day? This all happened while I was downstairs listening on the baby monitor thinking ‘oh well, if they aren’t going to sleep, at least they are playing nicely.’
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 9002-9017). . Kindle Edition.
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This is exactly the type of thing I was referring to in my earlier comment.
As soon as my sons woke up, they went into the child-proofed playroom and played with all their toys and pieces of toys from their multiple toy boxes. And I never even had a baby monitor. I would just check them frequently when they were napping and they would call out for me when they woke up...."Mom!!"
How in the heck do toddlers remove a section of a wall and she didn't hear them? How do they knock a tall dresser over and knock a lamp to the floor, shattering the bulb and she didn't hear them? Just thought they were playing "nicely"? "Crash, boom!" Where the heck was she....down the street?
My sons played for hours in the playroom and never caused any sort of damage like this. Or I would set them up at the kitchen table with crayons or paints or play-doh....while I was right there cooking.
And I loved having their friends come over because for some reason, this seemed to eliminate them fighting with each other.
I remember I collected all these multi-colored margarine containers and my sons would play for hours with these on the kitchen floor while I was in there....having coffee, cooking, doing bills at the kitchen table, etc.
I don't ever remember any damage they did except for once....my oldest son got hold of a tube of Desitin I forgot to put away after changing a younger child and smeared some of it on our cat. It was hysterical!
And why would I have gotten mad at him? It was my fault for not putting it away fast enough.....and he was a toddler....and that's what toddlers do.
She seems to have almost set-up scenarios where they would get in terrible trouble with her.
Kate says forgive me for being horrible but turn around.
And then say the kids have been horrible.-(WTF)
Who calls or says that their own babies are horrible children?
This is a small part of the letter she sent asking for her free baby nurse to be extended another year.
process. We have eight children four years old and under. Our six youngest are 11 months old. In a sense our children (our six 11 month olds) are disabled. They cannot feed themselves, transport themselves up and down stairs or at all, bathe themselves, get a drink when they are thirsty, go to the bathroom by themselves, put themselves to bed or dress themselves.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 19748-19753). . Kindle Edition.
Did ya'll know Kate has a personal chef? (maybe this was a TLC freebie to help her lose weight..)
< sixymomma@ comcast.net > Date: Tue, December 30, 2008 5: 08 pm To: Katherine Shwartz < katherine@ xxxxxxxx.com > Ok. Please call when you are near. Please pull and load the fridge in the little room to the right as you walk on those double doors. Beware: two German shep puppies now live in our basement!!!! :) Shoka and Nala will greet you lovingly! I didn't mean to, but I so love them! Anyway, your dishes are in that room by the fridge you will be using... (the old subzero). Thanks and see you tomorrow! Kate
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 19897-19911). . Kindle Edition.
Amanda... Our tempermental ironess (nanna Janet) took her check and quit today!!!! SO-- could you inconspicuously look around our area (Berks county- Reading, Shillington, Sinking Spring, Wyomissing area) and find us a weekly ironer!? In the past, I've had no luck replacing Janet! She does an immaculate job but is hard to deal with... Jon was busy comissersting with her about me this morning while I was away so I can only imagine his part in her quitting... Thanks Jon! Thanks Amanda! Kate Sent from my (formerly) PINK iphone
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 19985-19998). . Kindle Edition.
To me Kate is basically saying to her 8 children.
IF you weren't horrible.
I wouldn't be horrible.
IF you weren't bad and naughty kids.
I would be a bad mother to you.
If you didn't do things to make me pissed.
I wouldn't beat you.
If you didn't act bad and listened and do what I say when I say it.
I would love you.
To: gina_neixx@ hotmail.com Subject: nana and lance Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 08: 31: 08 -0500 Hey – I am so full of thinking already today….. I am looking at my calendar and trying to schedule things that I want to schedule befor e production takes over on Monday…… Why don’t we have a farewell party for your parents on Sunday Feb 8 (we can find a different date that would work too) ….. we could do a ‘surprise’ (or not) and invite some of your/ their friends (up to you) and do a big thing….. I will totally behave on this occasion! J No more drinking…. I have drank my fill for a long while….. It’s my New years resolution… no more drinking! J Let me know what you think….. it will be fun! Just wanted to throw that out there….. I could even get Katherine to make the food so we don’t have to…… Ok, off to get work done….. Kate
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 20024-20034). . Kindle Edition.
Lol Kate. Your six 11 month olds are not disabled, they are 11 month olds. Is her understanding of child development that poor? How dare she compare a happy and healthy child to a disabled one.
Jon couldn’t understand why Steve accompanied Kate alone on a reading of her book, Multiple Blessings. Steve was assigned to the family by TLC to keep the kids safe but Kate decided she needed Steve by her side. Kate wouldn’t even explain it to Jon, telling him “you wouldn’t understand.” · Jon felt the end of their relationship came when he stopped doing church speaking dates with Kate. In October 2008
Kate said to Jon, “you can live your life. I’m going to live mine.” Kate was totally focused on getting as much money out of people as she possibly could, any way she could. One of her main ways early on was to speak at churches and collect “Love Offerings.” Jon never liked doing this and felt bad about it and finally told Kate that he wasn’t going to do it anymore. He thought it was hypocritical. It was then that Kate announced the end of their relationship to Jon.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 22761-22767). . Kindle Edition.
Does this Katherine live with them or does she just prepare food and leave it in the freezer? Does anyone know??
From what I understand Katherine brings the food and leaves.
People are more worked up about the dogs then they were about the kids. I guess the spank/abuse line is gray to some people. But dogs...that's another story to some. 58 comments on this article..all of them scathing.
http://www.celebitchy.com/256516/kate_gosselin_abused_and_neglected_the_family_dogs_regularly_hit_them_and_didnt_feed_them/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
AntiAnn...
The journal entries are like something out of a Stephen King novel. She is a nightmare of a mother, wife and now ex-wife and she was probably a real pain in the ass of a daughter too. And she wonders why 'everybody leaves me'. Well figure it out Kate.
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Oh please don't give her any ideas. She reads here. lol with a tad of seriousness.
The kids and the dog need to be taken from Kate.
Kate has to be paying Steven to do her.
Cause I cannot see how he does it with her looking more & more manly.
With all the work she has/had done.-woof
PJ's Momma -- I too agree that the paps chasing her at those speeds was wrong. There is just so much truth brought to light by Robert that it is mind boggling and really, quite likely we would have never known about the awful extent her meanness went. But to chase her at those speeds when she had kids in the car is just wrong. Now if they were just chasing Kate, then go for it.
I still say thank you Robert. ,thank you very much. I think that the article about the dog abuse could be the beginning of people really coming around and believing all the info in the book. What a bitch.
It seems clear that Kate does not have the same grasp on reality that most people do. I don't know if you can even call it stunted thinking. She has no concept of how babies and children behave. Entry after entry in her journal talks about the children, as babies, behaving quite naturally. Yet to Kate, they are "being horrible." What she wanted them to do was a) sit quietly wherever she placed them, b) never ever make a mess, and c) smile pretty for the camera and make mommy lots of money. (No one in their right mind would think this was possible, much less behavior that should be demanded.)
She's just not normal. She seems unable to grasp simple concepts, such as "babies must be supervised." She played with those babies when they were little as if they were dolls. When they needed mothering from her, she lacked the ability and the desire to provide that mothering. So it fell on "helpers" to do the work that moms normally do.
Sadly, combined with her complete lack of mothering ability, she seems to have an obsession with controlling every aspect of those children's lives, mostly to the point of making their lives miserable. She withholds food, love, affection, yet goes overboard on yelling at them, disciplining them, punishing them, striking them, and so forth. What a miserable messed up unnatural human being is Kate Krieder.
Sometimes it feels as if karma will never leave its mark. But one has to be patient with karma. It always does roll around. Ask not for whom the bell tolls Kate Krieder - it will toll for thee, eventually.
cycle a failure. The second cycle according to Kate, was a “great cycle.” “At the scheduled ultrasound on a sunny Sunday morning, the doctor was thrilled. He discovered three mature follicles and possibly even a fourth follicle with the potential to still mature.” Kate throws in for good measure to make herself look special while also covering the lie, “As if reading our minds, our doctor was quick to reassure us that statistically it would be very unlikely that all four or even three of the follicles would be fertilized. He was also completely thorough in giving us an escape route if we so chose. We could simply discontinue the injections and repeat the process in two months, aiming for enough but not too many follicles.” That last paragraph is also Kate-speak, again, to keep her ‘African doctor’ from blowing the whistle on this whole operation. She makes sure that we’re aware that he did everything humanly possible to make sure that there was no risk of Higher Order Multiples and he did his job to his fullest capacity. What Kate doesn’t mention in Multiple Blessings, or anywhere else for that matter, is what she did during that ‘second cycle.’ Kate was receiving injections from her doctor of a drug called Human chorionic gonadotropin or HCG, which is an ovulation inducer that would help Kate ovulate and release her eggs. Since Kate never really had PCOS in the first place, her eggs were released on their own, so adding injections of HCG to the mix would only serve to release even more eggs for possible fertilization. For the men: Ovulation occurs when a mature egg is released from the ovary, pushed down the fallopian tube, and is available to be fertilized. So when Kate went to see the infertility doctor for her scheduled ultrasound, she was told that it was a great cycle with three or four mature follicles. That would be an expected result with a healthy woman taking the controlled injections of HCG and it would be a great cycle for someone with PCOS taking controlled injections of HCG. The doctor had no reason to be suspicious at this point. But since Kate was so adamant about wanting ‘Just one more’ baby, why didn’t she just turn around and go home like her doctor suggested, and come back again in another two months to try again? It wasn’t a money issue. Jon’s dad was paying for everything. So why the big hurry?
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 26484-26491). . Kindle Edition.
More importantly, she wouldn’t be ‘killing’ any babies with selective reduction this way. She also wouldn’t be fertilizing three, or possibly four mature eggs. God would not have had a problem with Kate going home and trying again next time. But Kate did come back, the very next day and received her “one final injection of HCG” (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) and then the IUI (Intrauterine Insemination) and went home again to wait. At least that’s what she was supposed to do. What Kate actually did though when she got home was to immediately give herself at least one more shot of HCG, which she had purchased weeks before online. With the IUI, Jon’s sperm were now swimming around inside of Kate’s uterus among the three or four mature eggs that the doctor knew about. Kate wasn’t looking for maybe two, or three or even four babies this time around though, and she wasn’t about to leave anything to chance either. She knew that by administering her own injection of HCG, even more mature eggs would drop down to join the others, unbeknownst to her ‘African doctor.’ Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. To keep the purchase a secret she went outside the United States and purchased the drug overseas and had it shipped to her newly created post office box in Wyomissing. She used the name K. Kauffman when ordering. Perhaps the only mistake she made is not destroying the HCG packaging. She didn’t try and fail with the first cycle. She lied about the first cycle to make the story of her not being able to get pregnant more believable. But something happened twelve days later that didn’t go according to Kate’s master plan. She experienced pain… severe pain, and she was rushed to the hospital where it was discovered that she had over-stimulated ovaries. For fear of not wanting anyone to know what she had done, Kate kept silent about the additional HCG shot that she had given herself.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 26506-26514). . Kindle Edition.
“Neither one of us at that point even vaguely considered that this pain could possibly be related in any way to the HCG shot I had received just a few weeks beforehand.” Even Kate knew that it would be best for her to mention HCG as little as possible so as not to arouse suspicion.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 26542-26546). . Kindle Edition.
Please I wasn't born yesterday! Those kids didn't make all those noises and mess while Kate was downstairs. She was probably in a deep sleep, and we all know how she loves to sleep, or she went out and left them alone! When she found the mess she went nuts! Again I'm going to say all her extreme meltdowns had to do with clean ups. She's very, very lazy!
I was a young working mom as I'm sure many of us were and I can bet that we all experience those times when everything went wrong during the day, but I can say gosh I miss those days! What I would do to go back in time and raise my little darlings( ??) again!! Kate's a lazy, selfish, bitch!
I read the Radar story and I'm on NALA'S TEAM! I'm glad that finally somebody had the brains and guts to growl at her! I wish I had been there!
Aggiesmom you are one great Texan ! Thanks for your hard work, and I'm going to send you a yellow rose!
( Let's Throw Tomatoes)
went back to see her ‘African doctor’ and he was “in a trance,” and “visibly shaken,” according to her. I’ll bet he was visibly shaken, as he was trying to figure out how in the Hell three, possibly four mature follicles magically turned into seven.
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 26557-26560). . Kindle Edition.
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and there's the proof...Kate orchestrated those multiples by manipulating drs, her husband, even her own body.
how DO you get 7 embryos out of 3 or 4 follicles...(one absorbed). scientifically impossible since none of the 6 kids are identical.
Aggiesmom you are one great Texan ! Thanks for your hard work, and I'm going to send you a yellow rose!
( Let's Throw Tomatoes)
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lolol...nope, only Target gift cards will suffice!!
(I'd hate to say "I got real mad when I realized that that was all there was'..{kate quote} )
My hat is off to Mr. Hoffman, I hope he comes out of this unscathed. I truly believe his mission in writing this is for the kids' well being. (and maybe too, she won't take advantage of her 'fans')
If they get into the tissue box, and you care so deeply about that (how fun for a little kid to whip those tissues out one by one!) MOVE THE BOX!
One of my great nephews did this at his nana's house (my sister) and when I asked for a tissue he handed me a grocery shopping bag. We both laughed and chucked about that all night long! Difference between my sister and Khate is that she knows it was harmless in the grand scheme of things and to shrug and laugh it off.
Of course FakeKate knows Milo...she sends her a check every month, doesn't she??
I wonder how many bloggers are on payroll...
@Anonymous said... 26
Please I wasn't born yesterday! Those kids didn't make all those noises and mess while Kate was downstairs. She was probably in a deep sleep....*******************
My thoughts exactly. She's asleep, they wake up, climb out of their cribs and start being kids. That's why she didn't hear the children.
njay 4
Please do what ever you need to do to care for yourself.
Just what I have read here is horrifying.
As someone who has done IUI treatments, they whole HCG conspiracy is just that a conspiracy. The process does NOT work they way the author is saying it does. The HCG does not "create" more mature follicles nor does it cause hyperstimulation. The other drugs you take whether orally (clomid) or via shot (ex. follistim). as a patient you are monitored closely, going home and taking another HCG shot would do nothing. Just my 2 cents. I don't like the woman but I also don't like these stories about her fertility process. Lastly, hyperstimulation can happen well after the IUI has been done, it's not a joke and nothing I would wish on anyone, it also doesnt' mean you have an overflow of follicles, it is an excess of fluid and is extremely dangerous.
I wonder if Milo is getting a little worried:
miloandjack
@deannatweeting @Kateplusmy8 Hey Deanna...In view of the Shoka insanity...maybe U've seen him lately? I've us an update on how he's doin!:)
miloandjack
@deannatweeting @Kateplusmy8 Whoops....meant 2 say GIVE us an update!! I know Kate is super busy rt now! :)
As if anyone would believe Deanna, especially without a current picture.
Fired Up 4 Kate (@MiloandJack) tweeted at 2:58 PM on Wed, Oct 10, 2012:
@deannatweeting @Kateplusmy8 Hey Deanna...In view of the Shoka insanity...maybe U've seen him lately? I've us an update on how he's doin!:)
(https://twitter.com/MiloandJack/
WOW, I just read the article and the comments on Celebitchy! Kate has so far
100% negative comments! I can't even imagine so many people hating me. I'd go to some faraway place and never show my face again! And she's going to go on TV again! What is wrong with this woman???
BTW Kate if you are reading this, take my advise and send Admin. a gift. The people who comment here are soooooooo nice compared to the comments that are on Celebitchy ! At least you have that!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
I am thinking that maybe KT trashed that room in a rampage to put fear in the kids after she beat themn as hard as he could and had to cover her tracks because she was going to have Carla come over and clean it up. I just don't see how the babies could have done that much damage without getting severely injured or worse.
I think all the people that are up in arms about the dogs but not the babies didn't read the book where she said she hit them as hard as she could over and over for pooping in their diaper. She was so neglectful. Leaving them unsupervised so long and then punishing them for a poopy diaper.
Checking in to see if there's any Shoka news....
If kids are old enough to climb out of their cribs it's time for a toddler bed. My daughter got one for her 2nd birthday. I dreaded it because I knew she would get out of it but that's life. And as a result I have the cutest pic of her in footie jammies with her feet on the floor but her torso on the bed, sleeping. She had started to get out and fell back asleep.
I'm almost surprised Kate would phone Jon and tell him about her meltdowns and that she was afraid she could hurt them. I know she's stupid, but why would she do that? What was he supposed to do? Rush home and rescue HER? Obviously she wasn't prepared to do anything to help herself. She was refusing her meds according to what RH wrote.
I wonder if the reason he went along with her plans get their faces out there and sold to a production company, was more than just for the money. Maybe he felt they would be safer from her meltdowns and cruelty if he was around. Personally I think he was in quite a jam. He wasn't working very much, he was probably told by his parents that they'd help him but wouldn't be able to support all ten of them forever. He must have felt trapped in the situation he found himself in. I know it sounds like I'm making excuses for him, but considering he was married to a raving lunatic he couldn't have been thinking very clearly. Living with her insanity would make you think about swallowing a whole bottle of rat poison. Putting them on tv probably seemed like a good idea. Besides the money he at least knew his kids would be safer.
Too bad he couldn't have just taken the kids and run.
gabby2 said... 30
Of course FakeKate knows Milo...she sends her a check every month, doesn't she??
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It would not surprise me at all if Milo is more than one person, some male, some female. The writing style is different. Sometimes the person is passive-aggressive, sometimes insulting, sometimes is missing the "g's" and sometimes not. In addition, one of the Milo characters has two children; another one has one child. One is wheelchair bound, the other runs in the sand and swims in the ocean and takes long walks with the dog.
I wonder if they are on salary, or get paid by the tweet.
Wasn't the story about the trashed room also in "I Just Want You to Know"? I remember someone here posted that excerpt from the book. If it's in Kate's own book, that she wrote, and it's also in Robert's book, right there is proof that the journals in Gosselin Book are Kate's.
From Deanna - just tweeted. I don't believe much from these two.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@deannatweeting @Kateplusmy8 Hey Deanna...In view of the Shoka insanity...maybe U've seen him lately? I've us an update on how he's doin!:)
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting
@MiloandJack @kateplusmy8 LOL yes the Gosselin household is quite busy but I saw Shoka last week! He is his same old regal self. :)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@deannatweeting @Kateplusmy8 Hey Deanna...In view of the Shoka insanity...maybe U've seen him lately? I've us an update on how he's doin!:)
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting
@MiloandJack @kateplusmy8 LOL yes the Gosselin household is quite busy but I saw Shoka last week! He is his same old regal self. :)
Two pathetic hanger-on-ers, privy to everything Gosselin, trying to make themselves sound very important. I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of either one of them.
Kates trending on Yahoo again..this time for...beating the crap out of her dog..
Ella, you are right. I also went through multiple cycles of IUI. HCG does not stimulate the ovaries or.cause follicles to mature. It triggers ovulation from an already mature follicle. I haven't read this part of the book yet, but as much as I can't stand KG, I doubt that she chemically manipulated her pregnancy chemically. I suppose it is possible that the doctor actually detected many mature follicles, advised against IUI for that cycle, but she insisted on going ahead with it. We'll never know.
I know nothing about infertility, but where there's smoke there's fire.
Kate wanted multiples....why would she order that whatever it was from Canada under a fictitious name?
Blowing In The Wind said... 44
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@deannatweeting @Kateplusmy8 Hey Deanna...In view of the Shoka insanity...maybe U've seen him lately? I've us an update on how he's doin!:)
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting
@MiloandJack @kateplusmy8 LOL yes the Gosselin household is quite busy but I saw Shoka last week! He is his same old regal self. :)
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1) I don't believe this is true, but if she did see Shoka
2) The tweet is carefully worded. There's no confirmation here that Shoka's at the Kompound.
Why does Milo act like shes/hes Kates spokesperson? This really gets on my nerves...she should ask to get paid...what exactly IS she getting out of Kate to be so protective of her? What a wacko...Does she think that Kates gonna be her life long friend....delusional birds of a feather flock together...
All of Kate's three 'best sellers' need to be re-categorized as FICTION.
I wonder what kind of deodorant she wears to ward off that smell of desperation???
Her appearing on WWHL negates any return back to the christian circuit. Kate has finally taken off the mask and shown her true self. She's right, there is no going back.
karma is knocking!
localyocul said... 39
If kids are old enough to climb out of their cribs it's time for a toddler bed. My daughter got one for her 2nd birthday. I dreaded it because I knew she would get out of it but that's life. And as a result I have the cutest pic of her in footie jammies with her feet on the floor but her torso on the bed, sleeping. She had started to get out and fell back asleep.
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Awwwww! If I remember correctly, I got my son a "real" bed when he was about 2 1/2, at Christmas time. I have the cutest picture of him sitting on his "big bed" with a huge smile on his face. He never really climbed out of his crib, but that's because I was tuned in to hear him when he woke up and I'd go in and get him.
Kate - if you're reading - that's what moms normally do. Well, that's what moms who care for and love their kids do.
Kate appears ill-equipped to handle 8 children. Jon may have not known what to do with this situation. Can you only imagine how many calls per day he received at his State of PA job from his wife? She is not a strong woman by any stretch of the imagination. So many were fooled by her for a time, but the truth is coming out. I, too, believe there will be more about the Gosselins coming to our attention as the children "leave the nest" and tell their own stories. Not pretty at all. Kate's golden child is "H". Disgustingly obvious. Sad for the other 7 kids.
Hoffman needs to get one of these for when he stops by Kate's. http://www.amazon.com/Smithsonian-Sonic-Ear-by-JCPenney/dp/B0040UZ6Y6
Kate's Cart said... 53
Hoffman needs to get one of these for when he stops by Kate's. http://www.amazon.com/Smithsonian-Sonic-Ear-by-JCPenney/dp/B0040UZ6Y6
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lol!
Robert states in the book he one time HEARD Kate screaming at Jon. She was INSIDE the house. Robert says the house is a football field away from the road.
what a fine meek christian woman. blech.
I've read the book, but not REALLY read it, word for word, but rather skimmed it. I will go back and read it again when I can fully concentrate on it. However, here's my question: Did Robert go through the trash on a weekly basis or monthly basis, or just whenever he was around? If so, wouldn't the garbage collectors have wondered why she had no trash in her bins? If I were Kate, I'd be scared out of my mind not knowing what he found in there...personal letters, letters from school, receipts, bills, used tampax (ewwwww), and other disgusting trash.
Ella and Boo - why does all the literature confirm hCG particularly is associated with ovarian hyper stimulation? Reports as current as 2012 advise doctors to use it judiciously. Some are withholding altogether.
Sheeple brilliance:
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@SchmeckyGirl @sarasmith2990 @ashymama2 @kateplusmy8 I think I'm going to call ROL & ask them about the accuracy of their stories & sources
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That's exactly what I would do. Call ROL and ask them just that. Would one expect them to answer that everything they print is inaccurate, their sources are not credible, and their reporters pass along rumors as facts?
Good grief.
Ella and Boo - why does all the literature confirm hCG particularly is associated with ovarian hyper stimulation? Reports as current as 2012 advise doctors to use it judiciously. Some are withholding altogether.
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I think my question would be why would Kate even go out of the country using an assumed name to purchase it if it did nothing to help assure her of more follicles? She was a nurse; she must have done research on what to expect in the manipulation of fertility.
Kate is a twit said... 42
Wasn't the story about the trashed room also in "I Just Want You to Know"? I remember someone here posted that excerpt from the book. If it's in Kate's own book, that she wrote, and it's also in Robert's book, right there is proof that the journals in Gosselin Book are Kate's.
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Which might be part of authorized permissions to which Amazon referred, along with the contracts printed in full?
KAT said... 45
Kates trending on Yahoo again..this time for...beating the crap out of her dog..
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And I'll bet the farm Kate is tickled pink about it. oooo look! I'm trending!
Miserable witch.
Kate didn't go out of the country to buy the 'smoking gun' medicines.
According to the book, she ordered it online from Canada, using a fictitious name.
Kate tweets she 'loves being a working mom'...and loves @oldnavy. Right, you love O.N. just like you did Gymboree...the mighty have fallen.You are not a working mom or a real SAHM and I bet you punish the kids by making them wear O.N. stuff (I like it fine, but Kate, probably not)
theaustinmartin
@Kateplusmy8 U still working on a new show?!How bout "Kate'sTake" where u go in2 a familys house&help them stay organized,healthy,happy,etc.
Oh, yes, help them with a family's housework by providing them with the names of nannies, cooks, housekeepers they can hire, and then show the parents how to deal with a child climbing out of the crib, or how to get a child potty trained in five days. Absolutely that's what Kate needs to do. She's be particularly effective at keeping them healthy, since she's always hawking Zicam for herself. When the kids are are sick, you just put them on a cold laundry room floor, or turn off the heat in the house and open the windows.
It would make a great show. Oh, wait...we've already seen that!
Do the sheeple keep getting dumber, or have they been this way all along and it's only coming out in the open now that the book has made its appearance?
New post please...maybe title it part II of chapters.....1,600+ comments is benefiting no one.
Kate didn't go out of the country to buy the 'smoking gun' medicines.
According to the book, she ordered it online from Canada, using a fictitious name.
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Yes, I know that. She ordered it under the name of Kauffman. My wording was just a bit off. I didn't mean that she physically went out of the country. Thanks for catching it...
Celebrity Worst Red Carpet Looks, starring the one and only KG:
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Fleecing The Sheeple said... 6
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lol, you've got Kate's number..She can help them when they take the family out to eat, too. Make each child share a meal with a second sibling! Take home the leftovers for the next day's school lunch!
yum yum!!
sienna_star
@Kateplusmy8 Good afternoon Kate. I want to ask u if we'll get to see pics of the girls bday party? I hope so!
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WHY? WHY? WHY? If you have burning desire to see photos, go and take pictures of your own kids' parties and look at them!
They do live their lives through Kate and the eight children, don't they?
Regarding the dresser falling, as I stated a few posts back, there is no way that you would NOT hear a dresser falling over. That would make a very loud crash, especially if she was had the monitor as she claimed. Also, I do not understand how toddlers would be able to knock over a dresser.
Also, regarding the paps chasing her at high speeds. I don't know, but there is just something about this that makes me think it's not altogether true. Kate always thinks they will get mobbed by paps, she always thinks the paps are following her (when in fact we have learned that many times SHE was calling the paps). I don't know, I just have this nagging feeling that it's Kate's bad behavior and a usual, she is trying to blame her poor choices on someone else.
Before anyone says Princess Diana died because of the paps, yes that is true. However, Kate was no where near as famous as Princess Di, no matter what she thinks in her own mind.
Of course this is just my opinion, but it just doesn't ring completely true to me.
Pity Party said... 37
I am thinking that maybe KT trashed that room in a rampage to put fear in the kids after she beat themn as hard as he could and had to cover her tracks because she was going to have Carla come over and clean it up. I just don't see how the babies could have done that much damage without getting severely injured or worse.
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I 100% agree. Unless a person is out cold, there is no way a live person could not hear that kind of noise, baby monitor or no baby monitor. It does not add up.
Also, if Carla had found bruises on the kids, it would make sense that they got them while being naughty, dumping over the dresser.
AuntieAnn #40 - After reading the book, I wondered if "perhaps" TLC gave the Gosselins enough money per episode to allow Jon to stay home (to take care of the kids, because volatile Khate was incapable)in an effort to keep the cameras rolling on her obvious mental issues, that were ratings gold.
Just reread the ROL article. There's only one thing wrong with it. It says "After a while, Kate began to fear she’d be attacked, so she sent the dog back to the breeder.”
Nowhere does it say that she got Shoka back. Some people commenting on different articles are assuming that the dogs are gone and living happily ever after somewhere else. I hope the article in the Star mentions that Shoka is (supposedly) still living at the house.
It would not surprise me at all if Milo is more than one person, some male, some female. The writing style is different. Sometimes the person is passive-aggressive, sometimes insulting, sometimes is missing the "g's" and sometimes not. In addition, one of the Milo characters has two children; another one has one child. One is wheelchair bound, the other runs in the sand and swims in the ocean and takes long walks with the dog.
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Anything is possible, of course. The persona
"Milo" is southern, and is probably tryin' to sound southern in his/her tweets. Are the g's
missing in the middle or beginning of words, too, or just in words that end in ing? Also, the persona "Milo" has a bone disease where bone tissue decays. He/she had surgery and goes for walks as part of therapy. They started out short, have progressed to a few miles.
I certainly don't know the truth about who Milo is, but the part about him/her walking makes sense to me. So does the missing g on the ends of words. Just an opinion, of course.
I still say thank you Robert. ,thank you very much. I think that the article about the dog abuse could be the beginning of people really coming around and believing all the info in the book. What a bitch.
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There is only one dog. Easy and mostly no stress. There are 8 kids, you have to understand because "I can't even imagine what it's like. I only have 2 and have a hard time." Sarcasm here. I don't have kids. I'm just repeating what people say.
P.S. I just took my mom to her hospital. She was confused and having chest pain and a real raspy cough.
I certainly don't know the truth about who Milo is, but the part about him/her walking makes sense to me. So does the missing g on the ends of words. Just an opinion, of course.
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True. But she couldn't go on the cruise because she needed a wheelchair. Within a short time (weeks) she was actually running and tweeted Kate with a report of this. How fast does one make a recovery in physical therapy? It must have been a miracle recovery.
The one Milo had two children, but the other night someone caught her tweeting that she has one child. She deleted it the same night. Sometimes she really piles on the old southern hick talk, but the next night, it's gone. She's not consistent.
It's weird, and the fact that she is totally, madly in love with Kate is just plain creepy. If you are that nuts over a person, wouldn't you try to get to at least one public appearance or a meet and greet? Kate's been down south, Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina. Wouldn't you think that this uber fan would at least have arranged to meet her somewhere, even if she had planned to go to Florida to meet up with her before the cruise (even if she couldn't go on the cruise)? Then there was her infamous tweet asking Kate if she would meet her, how would she visualize her. She also asked Kate what she would expect from a suitor.
Something isn't right there.
njay,
Prayers for you and your mom.
njay, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your mom. God bless.
njay -- peace and blessing go with you.
localyocul said... 39
If kids are old enough to climb out of their cribs it's time for a toddler bed.
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Agreed. When my oldest started climbing out of her crib, the pediatrician even said, "it's time to move her to a bed." He said that there are more injuries with kids climbing in and out of the cribs than people realize (head & neck injuries,etc). She didn't move them out of the cribs, 'cause she was waiting for those FREE beds. She didn't care that her kids could get hurt...
In kindness, may I suggest that we post our support for njay and her mother on "our" candle site? You can light a candle for them, for the Gosselin 8, and perhaps also for those who speak for them when they cannot.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=15
Njay Will be thinking of you and your mom.
Yes, once the kids were able to climb out of the beds, they needed toddler beds. When my daughter started climbing out the crib, we got her a twin size bed (I never saw toddler beds back in the late 80's). Bedtime did take longer because it was easier for her to get out of bed and come in the living room where we were.
However, it was a matter of reading to her, talking with her, explaining bed time. When all of that didn't work, I asked her if she would stay in bed if we gave her a special treat, and she said yes. The special treat was a soft, fluffy teddy bear that was supposed to be one of her Christmas presents. I gave her Special Treat Teddy and she stayed in bed that whole night. A couple of times she got out of bed, but usually no. She slept with special treat teddy all of the time and he even stayed on her bed (after she made it) when she was older.
I have a special trunk with momentos from my daughter when she was little (and growing!), and special treat teddy is in that trunk! What wonderful memories.
Yes, Kate was to cheap and waiting for someone to give her the beds (which TLC eventually did), plus she didn't want to spend the extra time it would take to get them to stay in their beds.
By the way, my daughter remembered special treat teddy when her own children were ready for toddler beds. She took them to the store and let them each pick their own "bedtime pal" to sleep with and for the most part, the boys stayed in their beds as well.
Ah, the bedtime stuffed animals! I had lots of them. I was plagued with nightmares as a child and would wake up and go get my mother. She would take me back to bed and stayed with me until I fell asleep, but worried about what to do for me. Finally, one night, she put my stuffed animals all around the perimeter of my bed before I climbed in. She told me they would
keep nightmares away. And you know what, they did most of the time. Not always, but most of the time. I still have those animals, and I am 60 years old.
Too bad Kate hated stuffed animals and was very
unhappy when the kids had them. She saw them as dust collectors. How sad for the kids.
Still, she buys them for her kids (see Easter basket pics) when it makes her look like a kind and loving mommy to her tweeties.
Yes, fidosmommy, those squishy, warm, stuffed animals are so important to toddlers. They love to cuddle and that is their cuddling when they feel alone in bed. Who cares if they get dirty and dusty? Special treat teddy went through the washer so many times I had to sew his eyes back on, use red thread to redo his mouth, etc. But my daughter loved him. That's all that mattered.
ust reread the ROL article. There's only one thing wrong with it. It says "After a while, Kate began to fear she’d be attacked, so she sent the dog back to the breeder.”
Nowhere does it say that she got Shoka back. Some people commenting on different articles are assuming that the dogs are gone and living happily ever after somewhere else. I hope the article in the Star mentions that Shoka is (supposedly) still living at the house.
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Somewhere in the book Robert says one of the reasons Nala couldn't come back was because she growled and tried to bite Kate. The dogs were banished soon thereafter. Smart dog. I feel sorry for the one that returned, after a year that dog was probably quite content where it was.
My computer has been in the hospital the past few days. Goodness! Lots of posts to catch up on!
Kiwi "Oh shootsky"?? Thanks for the great laugh, and a good substitute for a word I use too often sometimes.
PJ's Momma -- It really bothered me reading about the paps chasing KK at those high speeds, too. Odds are, she still would have driven dangerously (The wicked flee when no man pursueth. Prov. 28:1), but at least they wouldn't be a contributing factor if they didn't give chase.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I read the passage about the kids trashing their room when KK was supposedly listening on the baby monitor. I don't see how in the world 6 two year olds could upend a dresser. Those things are heavy. And if they could easily do it, then their room was unsafe. And who leaves "lotions and potions" around where little ones can get their hands on them, even if they are in a supposedly "locked" box? She may have been sleeping, as some have suggested. My guess is she was deep in a box o' wine.
Moosemania --- I am no expert, and perhaps I'm not using precise terminology. What I meant was HCG doesn't make you create more egg producing follicles. Drugs like Clomid and Perganol are used to do that. HCG (at least 18 years ago when I did IUI) was used mid-cycle, once mature follicles were observed. The injection would cause ovulation and the IUI would be done soon after. Hyperstimulation of ovaries means they are fluid filled, enlarged, distended, which can cause bloating and sometimes extreme discomfort and pain. HCG use is associated with that condition, but it really has nothing to do with how many eggs are produced. So yes, HCG is associated with hyperstimulation. I hope tat makes sense.
Ok, I am going to ask something stupid.
Kate did her infertility treatment and had 3 or 4 egg follicles, correct?
So she orders some meds from Canada for what reason?
Is my reasoning correct in that she had unprotected sex that resulted in not only the egg follicles already there, but any that were produced due to the extra shot she gave herself?
If my reasoning is wrong (which wouldn't be the first time, lol), what was the reason of ordering the meds from Canada?
Jane said... 43
[From Deanna - just tweeted. I don't believe much from these two.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@deannatweeting @Kateplusmy8 Hey Deanna...In view of the Shoka insanity...maybe U've seen him lately? I've us an update on how he's doin!:)
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting
@MiloandJack @kateplusmy8 LOL yes the Gosselin household is quite busy but I saw Shoka last week! He is his same old regal self. :) ]
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Doesn't Deanna's tweet sound like Kate's tweets?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 Breeder confirmed...Kate has been paying for Shoka and Nola’ s boarding & that Shoka is now fully trained & has returned home.
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Anyone care to translate this? Is Milo talking about the past or the present?
Milo is on the clock again! She is like the characters in Thank You for Smoking; the PR people for the Tobacco, Alcohol, and the gun lobbies. The book is about their jobs to defend these industries. LOL
http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/12/09/toddler-killed-when-dresser-falls-on-him/
This is just a small sampling of stories about dressers and other furniture falling over on very young children. It happens all the time. Where were you, Kate??
Jon's girlfriend's twitter has been outed....haters are having a field day on her feed. I bet she will shut it down or go private very soon.
why can't they leave her alone? that is beyond stupid.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 91
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 Breeder confirmed...Kate has been paying for Shoka and Nola’ s boarding & that Shoka is now fully trained & has returned home.
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Anyone care to translate this? Is Milo talking about the past or the present?
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He/She is talking about when Kate brought Shoka back. She tweeted several tweets about how the breeder said Kate was a good caregiver and gave Shoka back.
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 So even when it comes 2animals...these two dogs Shoka & Nala...Kate was the BETTER parent! It was Kate who took care of them!
She really is off her rocker, and sinking fast.
I wish someone would ask her which parent supported the kids in all of their school activities, from the time the twins were in first grade through the present time. Which parent went on field trips, festivals, conferences, sports, picnics fund-raisers when the other one was off on other adventures of her own. I'd love to hear her answer for that one. Since Milo has a special God-line to Kate, and I'm sure she's been to the school many times to attend these events, she certainly would know the answer. After all, Milo emphatically stated that the kids are Kate's life, so then wouldn't it hold true this Super Mom does everything in their world to support them, especially at school?
koop dedoo said... 71
AuntieAnn #40 - After reading the book, I wondered if "perhaps" TLC gave the Gosselins enough money per episode to allow Jon to stay home (to take care of the kids, because volatile Khate was incapable)in an effort to keep the cameras rolling on her obvious mental issues, that were ratings gold.
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Yes I'm sure they would do something like that if it meant better ratings which of course translates into bigger $$. After reading the contract it's very obvious Eileen O'Neill/TLC were not concerned about the kids well-being at all.
fidosmommy said... 73
Anything is possible, of course. The persona
"Milo" is southern, and is probably tryin' to sound southern in his/her tweets. Are the g's
missing in the middle or beginning of words, too, or just in words that end in ing? Also, the persona "Milo" has a bone disease where bone tissue decays. He/she had surgery and goes for walks as part of therapy. They started out short, have progressed to a few miles.
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There was a fan blog Milo posted on - she may still, I no longer visit them - and when she posted there her 'g's' were intact. And she sounded less hickish.
You know, with the breeder said Kate was a good caregiver, I have to question the integrity of the breeder. They had the dogs for a whole year and couldn't find other homes for them?
Once again, my radar is up and I think the breeder was not a truly responsible breeder, but just the owner of one of the puppy mills that are so widespread.
I may be wrong, but that is just my opinion.
I was just thinking about all Kate has written and confessed to. I had mentioned Munchhausen syndrome earlier and, sorry I can't remember who, gave good explanation why it couldn't be that.
I believe 1000% she is a horrible abusive mother and you can see this in the children's faces. The only thing that makes me go hummm is that it is just so over the top that it mirrors all the lies she tell infront of cameras and on twitter. Like everyone says, every time Kate speaks, she is lying.
Does anyone think that, though her real abuse is horrific, she embellishes and exaggerates some of it. This would explain her confessing it. She saw $ signs with the mention of a book and thought it would "get her ratings" if you will.
Mind you, her works are evil and she should never be alone with them until she gets help and can control her anger.
As far as Milo goes, I believe she is one person and a crazy one at that. Remember in the beginning she tweeted Kate minute after minute with platitudes that serves the gods. Kate ignored her quite often until now.
I remember one time that Kate and Milo were talking about meeting and Milo said that she would be embarrassed for Kate to see her. That she wasn't much to look at. Something along that line. I do fear though that when Kate finally gets sick of her there is going to be trouble. Same with her fan Paige.
fidosmommy said...
Still, she buys them for her kids (see Easter basket pics) when it makes her look like a kind and loving mommy to her tweeties.
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Do you think she buys them? I think her stupid sheeple are still sending the kids stuffed animals even after they've been told not to a gazillion times by the warden at the konpound.
Kate wouldn't spend an extra dollar on them if she didn't have to.
Sweet Tart said...Sadly, combined with her complete lack of mothering ability, she seems to have an obsession with controlling every aspect of those children's lives, mostly to the point of making their lives miserable.
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She's either trying to control them, punishing them because she required them to act in ways totally unnatural for young children and they didn't live up to her expectations, or ignoring them. Yikes.
miloandjack
@Truth_Teller201 @Kateplusmy8 Exactly...it was only Kate who cared enuf abt dogs wellfare 2pay 4their upkeep & training. Jon paid nothing!
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 Breeder confirmed...Kate has been paying for Shoka and Nola’ s boarding & that Shoka is now fully trained & has returned home.
This Milo found her "g" key! Oops!
njay, no doubt Kate is abusive to her kids. However, I also doubt if she was completely honest in her journal. Did she embellish things because she was planning on writing an autobiography in the future and she wanted people to see just "how much she went through"?
As I stated previously, she would probably clean up the entries a bit for the book, but I think she wants people to feel sorry for all she had to go through with the children. Heck, she still does that now.
I just am completely confused by her.
That first tweet by Milo to "Truth_Teller" sure reads like a Kate tweet. I think Milo is multiple "tweeters".
Kate has been beating those kids since they were born. Kate has starved those kids from the day she had to pay for any food. Those children are so destroyed that school is their escape from their reality.
I want the book, I don't want the book. I read about the mirror and dresser and the destruction of their room. That is a mad women. Also a drunken woman awoken from her sleep. Mad woman. She starves and beats animals while they are caged? She is crazier than I thought.
Something I want to touch on, please. I have talked to so many money people. People who think nothing of working with people with multi million dollar portfolios. Kate made her money over the past6 or 7 yrs, maybe. She has from what everyone seems to think 5 million dollars, just say. No one I talked to thinks that money is still 5 million, she never had it long enough to make money to cover all of her bills with her not working. No way. People have money over many, many years. In this economy, you take a chance on whatever area you choose to put your money. You are gambling. She is desperate for money to cover her monthly bills. She has to get a job on TV.
Pity Party said... 37
I am thinking that maybe KT trashed that room in a rampage to put fear in the kids after she beat themn as hard as he could and had to cover her tracks because she was going to have Carla come over and clean it up. I just don't see how the babies could have done that much damage without getting severely injured or worse.
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One thing every family with sextuplets seem to agree on is that six toddlers can be surprisingly destructive. Even 4 together are. But why wasn't the room child-proofed?
Was Nana Janet not ironing out of love?
miloandjack
@Chablis4u @Kateplusmy8 Not true...speaking at the Southern Women's Show in Charlotte, NC, Kate suggested the dogs aren't banished forever.
Was Milo there? If not, why not? It was right in her neck of the woods.
miloandjack
@strawberrypsu @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 LOL..because she is! She is abt 2go out of town 4several days...has lots 2cook&prepare b4hand!
If this person hasn't already been committed, it's time to get the papers signed, or HIDE THE BUNNY!
Maybe MIlo is Kate have you guys thought about that?-(LOL)
I mean who's better at defending Kate than Kate?
Maybe Kate has split personalities and she is Milo.
I am hopelessly behind on comments, but I just got to the ones about Dwindle's dog crossing the bridge and wanted to say how sorry I am for her loss. It's so hard to lose them.
We lost our 17 year old boy about a month ago and I still automatically look for him to be in his favorite bed when I go by it.
If Nala growled at Kate if could have been because Nala was protecting one of the kids from physical abuse....OR from Kate beating her. It does not happen in a vacuum.
If she beat the kids...she beat the dogs!
yuck, blogger keeps eating my comments half way through. I'm going back to reading. Thanks to all who have sent encouragement. I hope I haven't come across as a victim. I have learned to lean on my faith for help and healing.
I get snarky sometimes about things I've gone through. Are all the scars gone? Not yet. I still have some plastic surgery for the ones left. (snark, emotional scars)lol because of Kate's journal but I really am doing good.
aggiemom09121416 said... 94
Jon's girlfriend's twitter has been outed....haters are having a field day on her feed. I bet she will shut it down or go private very soon.
why can't they leave her alone? that is beyond stupid.
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So far there are only about 9 tweets on Jon's girlfriend's twitter today. Sometimes people tweet without paying attention to the other names that are included. But I agree, I wish they'd be more careful when replying and remove names that aren't involved.
Sorry there is a part II to my post. Andy Cohen made his career with the first Housewives TV shows, he was not a VP of Production for BRAVO until he came up with the Housewives Shows. He loves to rattle women or any guest, but especially women on his nighttime show. It is filmed in NY. So Kate is with her lover (more and more I think he does not love her or is anything to her I would bet he would love to testify against her, she treats him like crap too)
I just have a question that I hope gets answered someday. Jon, why did you not report her treatment of the children? Why didn't you do it? It is not too late to help those children of yours. I don't think Kate is going to be okay someday. If she does or does not get a TV show, she is still going to torture those kids until they can run to safety.
All of this smacks of children who take revenge on the one who beats them or am I imagining it isn't as bad as it all reads?
If Kate had let Nala out of her cage when she was growling what do you think would have happened?
The same thing a person would do to someone who let them out of a cage?
I am also beginning to think it was Kate that trashed the room in anger.
Poor kids left for hours in dirty diappers because lazy Kate could not be bothered.
If I were a fan of Kate, and loved the shows, and then I read Robert's book (Kate's own words) I would switch teams immediately, even if I been a die-hard sheeple. I can reason and logically figure out that this woman did indeed fool the world. She did all of this by herself and her journals prove it. I wonder what's wrong in the sheeples' brains that no matter what kind of proof is offered, they still continue to defend and deflect. Why is it that some can wake up to the truth, but others can be so blind?
miloandjack
@Chablis4u @Kateplusmy8 Not true...speaking at the Southern Women's Show in Charlotte, NC, Kate suggested the dogs aren't banished forever.
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Wow! If I were a believer in conspiracies I'd say Milo has been given "talking points." Who would remember that without having some kind of notes?
Njay: Hope mom is ok.
Njay I don't see you as a victim. I see your mother as the victim. She had you in an era when OUR mothers got married, had kids. Kids they didn't want. They liked the baby thing but the Kids thing? No they didn't like it and all their rage wasn't enough for the ironing board and watching General Hospital on TV wasn't enough. Our just talking and joking and laughing made her angry. Too loud, too noisy. Can't wait until you are all in bed.
We grow up and we are so caring, so sincere with people but for some reason the oldest know the pain more than the youngest. Life moves on and here we are older, wiser and more understanding. But we don't forget. Never do we forget. We just understand more like we aren't alone. That is why we come here. We aren't judged.
I think the reason some here are starting to doubt that the ABUSE /ANIMAL CRUELITY is true is because that would make Kate a monster! Two reasons why I believe they are ,one is that her lawyers had that book for months and they came to the conclusion that it happened. Secondly if someone would accuse me of child abuse and animal cruelity I would be at the top of the highest mountain screaming my innocence! No lawyer would keep me from talking, I would fire him!
What does Kate do?? Crickets! SILENCE!
We will not help her kids, or Kate for that matter if we start doubting! Best thing to do is pray for them all that she becomes human for the good of her kids!
Kate don't forget to send a gift to Admin. She has some nice posters here!!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
"talking points" exactly.
....and she locked the dogs in the basement....ugh.
Wow! If I were a believer in conspiracies I'd say Milo has been given "talking points." Who would remember that without having some kind of notes?
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@Truth_Teller201 @Kateplusmy8 Exactly...it was only Kate who cared enuf abt dogs wellfare 2pay 4their upkeep & training. Jon paid nothing!
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How would Multiples Milo know that Jon paid nothing unless she/he/it had access to his checking account and receipts from the breeder? Was this a tweet from Kate disguised as Milo?
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Two reasons why I believe they are ,one is that her lawyers had that book for months and they came to the conclusion that it happened.
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Really? I didn't know that Robert gave the book to Kate's attorneys. Did he state that somewhere on his blog?
Kate's taking the advice of her attorneys and she should. To scream about it right now, even if she were innocent, would only come back to haunt her. For the first time, she's keeping quiet. Even if she were innocent, making comments about it would open up that proverbial can of worms.
miloandjack
@Truth_Teller201 @Kateplusmy8 Exactly...it was only Kate who cared enuf abt dogs wellfare 2pay 4their upkeep & training. Jon paid nothing!
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This doesn't even make sense. Point blank, they were married when they got the dogs. Sheeple, I will try to explain this so you can understand. When you are married, your money is my money. We all share from the same pot. So there is no "Kate paid for the dogs with her money." The family paid for the dogs with the family's money, period. You don't say that's my husbands money and this is my money, that's not how marriage works. It's OUR money.
Kate only got Shoka back after they were divorced and at that point that's her choice and her money to spend. Why should Jon pay for a dog that is no longer his?
All that said, dogs really aren't that expensive unless you are careless leaving things out for them to eat and require surgery.
I just have a question that I hope gets answered someday. Jon, why did you not report her treatment of the children? Why didn't you do it?
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Angie, of course we hope he did. We don't know if he did or did not, because nobody is going to tell us anything. Anything at all. We have read right here on this blog stories of our own 15 minute friends who called Child Services and never knew what happened, or CPS never did a thing - i.e. did not show up to investigate. Even if they did investigate, we are not privvy to the report - or even the knowledge that there IS a report. It's all confidential.
Jon, and multiple others, probably did what they could short of kidnapping the children. What the system does about it is another thing.
In PA, smacking a child with spoon or pulling a child's hair is not considered abuse unless there is serious damage done. Sad but true. So, if Kate used The Spanker on a 1 year old, she wouldn't be charged with anything and would keep her kids. If the house was a mess and there was no food in the refrigerator, however,
CPS would have considered that a problem and taken some action, most likely.
The point is, Jon could have been beating down the door of a Judge, a sheriff, the entire CPS
department, and if THEY decided not to do anything, what could Jon do?
He probably tried. I bet he has shed rivers of tears over his children's situation, but if the system doesn't work better that it does, nothing gets done to help the children.
I'd like to know how Eric Roberts knew enough about 2 years ago to say "Kate is a child abuser". Did he witness something? That interview was linked to this blog and because Eric was no Prince Perfect, his words were taken with a grain of salt. I think I might go on a search for that article again....
If I had watched K&J and then the book came out, maybe I would have been a sheeple. But I discovered her when DWTS and then K 8 came out. I thought what a monster she is dragging kids around, screaming at the kids and the cameras and pushing, shoving kids around, acting like she was competing with the kids just running down the beach to the sea and back. She was rough and tough and mean to people who worked at the resorts she went to. She treated people so horrible. She never stopped screaming.
Then her personality on interviews were different from the TV shows and she lied and lied and lied. I wasn't a follower of her at all. It seemed she was all over the magazines at the beauty salon and I would look at her and read the articles, then turn on the View and there she is lying her face off to Whoopi Goldberg, who had the guts to call her on her attitude and actions against Jon. She slowly changed physically, lied about the boobs, her face changed and kept changing, her personality was weird at times. She was loving herself. Her treatment of people was either she was great or she was lonely while she was keeping Jon from his kids and ruining his life. If she had kept that divorce on a quiet and delicate event, which it should have been, but she has not stopped at destroying him because she does not have a brand, never will.
They say when you have hate in your heart that you can destroy yourself, well I think it is true and she has proved it.
No, I don't believe everything I read but she has had our attention since she went after Jon over and over and over. He never told the truth about herself. I wish he had, but he didn't want to destroy his kids, she didn't care. She really thought she was all this and a bag of chips huh? Not so.Now she has 8 witnesses that will speak up soon. Very soon those 12 yr olds they turn into different people at that age and 13 and they buck their parent's every intention. It will come out, then we will know.
I tend to agree with Angie on the money issue.my spouse makes extremely good money, half of which he gives away and half he invests. We have zero debt and he has health insurance with his job. We have a house in the suburbs and a condo in the city. Kate probably does not have what people think and she has massive expenses in just tuition, mortgage and house upkeep alone. She probably has car payments and pays'helpers' in various capacities. Her expenses are hundreds of thousands of dollars per year and there is no way she is living on dividends. Returns are at an all time low. She is digging deep into that capital and needs to get a JOB.
Shoka was brought back when ratings for Kates show started to plunge. I remember the ads leading up to the show, major surprise for the kids then you see the garage door open up and the kids squealing...tune in folks it's something the kids thought would never happen. Everything done was for ratings. Only the last few weeks Shoka's wherabouts is being questioned.
And here it is. November, 2010. Eric Roberts
speaks about Kate.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/11/eric-roberts-calls-kate-gosselin-a-child-abuser
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@sixymomma8 u just don't like people that are more popular than u I love her with all my heart she is the best mom in the world
Oh, my. She loves her with all of her heart based on someone she saw on a reality television show. What kind of sad lives these fans must have. There are some that you almost pity, and others who drive you nuts because of their stupidity. Sheepledom is a crazy world.
I am still pulling my hair out trying to figure out how these sheep people can defend Kate when the documentation is in her own words and her own e-mails. Milo Maniac is still saying that Robert published misleading and false info and will get taken to court. So if Kate's journals are in her own words, then is Milo saying that Kate is lying? I'm confused...
Fidomommy, Thanks for talking to me. I guess you all know so much more than I do. I just have a hard time with the kids being hurt so much inside and outside. I know how Njay feels. I know you never forget those years and when you are older like this you know what prison with a parent or parents can be like. You have no voice, none. You do what you are told or you will be taken away to live by ourselves. Little kids see dark forests in one tree.
Has it ever been empirically proven that the dog who came back really is Shoka?
My heart goes out to all who have suffered by those who should have protected and loved them. No surprise, Katie Irene, is indeed the monster that was peeking out on that poor excuse of entertainment on TLC. Wasn't my over active imagination at all that she was a shrewish, child abusing, neglecting diva. Still a mystery to me why people actually watched more then an episode or two seeing her interactions with her limited nuclear world.
Sorry I too missed Robert's book by a few hours. Darn life interfering with investigating the mystery of KIK's ability to hoodwink TLC, Discovery etc.
chefsummer said... 109
Maybe MIlo is Kate have you guys thought about that?-(LOL)
I mean who's better at defending Kate than Kate?
Maybe Kate has split personalities and she is Milo.
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Well one of the personalities could be Milo. There's quite a few of them milling around in there.
Actually kidding aside, that seems possible. Who does Kate love more than Kate? NOBODY. So why give a shout-out to a "tiny little runner who was having some problems" when she was on Dr. Drew? Kate sees herself as a tiny person. God knows she's starved herself enough to become one. And who thinks she has more problems than anyone on the planet? Why KATE of course.
By jove Chef, I think you're on to something!
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You don't say that's my husbands money and this is my money, that's not how marriage works. It's OUR money.
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However, when the children earn the family income, it's the MOM's money. Right? ;-)
The money and Kate being in charge of everything. Wow that reminds me of people getting married and they vow to each other. Jon probably believed he was becoming one together and Kate saw it as her having someone to push around.
Someone please tell me if Jon knew all those fertile eggs were out there? Do you all know that? I mean it would be his sperm being fertilized with her eggs right? No expert here.
But how many times did Jon have to provide the sperm to come up with those eggs? Maybe I am not asking this the right way.
If she did this like explained up post then she is crazy, really crazy. Did Jon suspect she did something or was he so immature in that area and she being the medical expert.
She was on The View and when asked what she did for a living (or had done) she said she was a maternity surgical nurse. I thought she worked with Kidney dialysis in an office, not in the operating room. But she got some info from somewhere.
143kategosselin
@sixymomma8 u just don't like people that are more popular than u I love her with all my heart she is the best mom in the world
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Creep alert.
PJ said..."I tend to agree with Angie on the money issue.my spouse makes extremely good money, half of which he gives away and half he invests. We have zero debt and he has health insurance with his job. We have a house in the suburbs and a condo in the city."
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Not snarking, but how does your personal financial situation relate to Kate's money issue?
I agree that she needs several hundred thousand dollars annually just to support her lifestyle. If she's making that kind of money from investments, I'd like to know the name of her financial adviser.
Yep could see Kate having someone portray Milo and other tweeters. She is crazy. Nothing about her surprises me anymore.
Why do I get a feeling that everything we write is recorded or copies made of. Keeps her one step ahead of a lot of you people who really have been around her for a long time. No wonder she is paranoid and she sure is. LOL LOL LOL........got my DVR set to tape that witch on Andy Cohen's show. I do want to see what Andy does to her. He is sharp, really sharp, he can get those housewives tearing their hair out. And with Kate being so paranoid but with a few drinks during the rehearsal which encourage drinking, she could really be out of control. Wouldn't that be a dream.
Good night Njay. Know you are never alone with how you feel, never. There are lots of us, too many. Now I respect those gals today who say I don't want to have a baby, never wanted a baby and it is okay, their parents are waiting for grandkids and putting pressure on them, but these gals today say I don't want kids. That is a good thing. You have a choice. I never blamed my Mom because I knew later in life that she really didn't know what she was doing. Good thing that teaching birth control is happening in schools today. No one has a child that doesn't want one. JMO not offending anyone I hope
The Money Game, I relate because we have a tremendous amount invested and I can estimate pretty well what her returns are, ok? Our living expenses are minimal compared to hers. Yet my husband continues to work because he feels it's not enough to carry us through old age, especially if there is some catastrophic event. Kate spends like there is no tomorrow.
And that type of asshole post is why I swore off this blog before and I bid you adieu again. Take care, everyone.
Angie, you ask wonderful questions, and there are answers for many of them!
The process for Kate's fertilization is spelled out in Robert's book, so this is his conclusion of what happened, according to Kate's journal and the packaging he found in Kate's trash (the HCG)
She took HCG that HER DOCTOR ADMINISTERED, and discovered there were 3-4 follicles (eggs) that had matured and were ready to travel down the Fallopian tubes for fertilization (if that was the # of embryos wanted - could be reduced in #). Jon gave his sperm, probably the old fashioned way.
After that was done, it is thought Kate gave herself an extra shot of HCG, purchased from another country, and suddenly instead of 3-4
ripe follicles, there were 7. Since none of the
sextuplets are identical, eggs did not split, they were 7 separate follicles. Jon's sperm
impregnated all 7, but one was reabsorbed by Kate's body, (according to Kate's story that came out a few years later.) The Gosselins refused to consider reducing the # at any time.
The doctor was surprised, Jon was stunned. Kate just screamed. We don't know if it was
scream for joy that a plan worked, or scream of horror that her plan actually was now for real. But according to her, it was one of the most horrible days of her life.
Now, I'm pretty sure somebody will correct any errors I have made here, and I'd be thankful for any and all of them. But this is the basic gist of what Robert tells us went on.
I'd like to know how Eric Roberts knew enough about 2 years ago to say "Kate is a child abuser". Did he witness something?
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I think it was common sense. Maybe he was abused as a child and saw the signs.
I think we would have speculated about it more here had we not been so darn worried about libel. In retrospect....
I wasn't snarking. I asked quite a few people who do investing for multi millionaires. Friends of my sister's in laws. That is all they talk about when there is a family get together, how no one is making money today. Everyone is holding on, not really make that big money unless they have Tom Cruise or Oprah
Winfrey's money. To make money, you need money and more money and Kate has not had that money that long to get a good equity fund going not with her high cost of living. No matter where she put the money, she has to be thinking of next year and the following year. I'll bet she is sweating the use of $1.00 that she has to spend. Just getting these interviews in NY, even though Robert's book is out there, is getting her some publicity. Now if TLC could hold off that book being sold again, maybe she would get something on TV, on cable, something. But she will never get what she got from TLC and the free stuff. Who is she going to get free stuff from? dog food? Learning Programs for her kids?
Kate needs to think about all of her mortgages and the interest she is probably paying on top of interest.
I tend to think these money people know money. I do not know money, not like million anything. I only know zeros in writing it and then I have to re count the zeros.
Kate has kept her high cost of living looking like she has made it but time is running out.
I have been rambling here but some good discussions tonight.
I almost forgot, if any of you remember my Tabby going away, crossing the Rainbow Bridge, well the Vet's office sent a sympathy card and everyone in the Vet's office signed the card. Do you know how much that meant to read. Each asst wrote a little note. So kind, very kind.
I agree that she needs several hundred thousand dollars annually just to support her lifestyle. If she's making that kind of money from investments, I'd like to know the name of her financial adviser.
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With several million in the bank, that's completely possible if not probable even in conservative investments.
Fidomommy, thanks for the high five on the questions. Sometimes everything going at once on here and I have not been really getting into the when, why or how of a lot, been saying how I don't like the woman, but I see so much anger brought about by thinking she did not need Jon and she got that show K8 and then another Twist of Kate and she never, ever thought she would be cancelled. I believe she never did see that coming. For as conniving as she is, she is pretty stupid. I mean she threw away the journals, the woman has got to have a machine that shredds, right? I mean she thought she was a big star and all stars are careful not to through a tampon away, it appears in rag mags. But Kate is not smart, she is angry and if she was depending on Steve or some other advisor, she never trusted anyone to get the real picture or wouldn't listen to anyone. I can't understand it. Never will, I guess why she doesn't realize nothing lasts forever, never, ever.All she had to do was look at ratings and she left that to someone else.
But know what I will never forget? The trip on the boat where those kids got sick. She refused to turn the boat around. She was pointing to her kids and saying to the camera look, look it is all over her or all over him. Look, look, like she was thrilled, not embarrassed, not concerned and then she insisted that she catch a fish. I was shocked. Still can't believe it.
That was some of the behavior that turned on a light for me. Crazy behavior. Never got to know the kid's personalities and she seemed as though she had no personality. Weird now that I think of it. Ugh.
Well saying goodnight. This is a good place to come to talk about her, the kids and about ourselves. Just amazing how we can get somethings out about ourselves and know it is something we wouldn't talk about face to face.
Peace!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 Breeder confirmed...Kate has been paying for Shoka and Nola’ s boarding & that Shoka is now fully trained & has returned home.
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Anyone care to translate this? Is Milo talking about the past or the present?
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Who knows, but what a damn cop out. Would you let someone else train your child? No. It's also your responsibility to train your dog, not your breeder. Or if someone else is doing it, you should be right there too. Lazy.
Blowing in the wind , I read somewhere that they had the book for weeks but my gosh, I don't remember where. Does anyone remember where it was written that Kate's attorneys had the book ?? Admin. do you know?
I have to disagree, guilty people never talk! I would be so furious that lies were being told about my treatment of my children. Now my child who is a lawyer would disagree , but I would never stay silent. But I guess different strokes for different folks!
BTW Kate could possibly be Milo! Makes sense to me! LOL
Let's Throw Tomatoes
I have to disagree, guilty people never talk! I would be so furious that lies were being told about my treatment of my children. Now my child who is a lawyer would disagree , but I would never stay silent. But I guess different strokes for different folks!
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Well, guilty people do talk all the time. But, I do find it a little odd that her lawyers aren't allowing her to at least deny these "baseless allegations."
Often it seems when something like this happens celebs will make a point to deny it up front then say no comment about everything else. It's a little odd she went straight to "no comment."
Maybe Khate's lawyers forced her into only "no comment" so she wouldn't ramble like usual and say something incredibly incriminating.
BTW Kate could possibly be Milo! Makes sense to me! LOL
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Kate, Kate's sister, Kate's mom.... Maybe they finally figured out how to help Kate. Gina?
Just like Kate doesn't want a crew with opinions, she doesn't want tweeters with them either. A year or so ago there was a person identified as Charlene K. who was standing up for Kate. Translation: They support every single thing she does, at least publicly.
Could be anyone. It would be great fun to find out who. Where's CJ when you need her??
fidosmommy said... 142
Angie, you ask wonderful questions, and there are answers for many of them!
The process for Kate's fertilization is spelled out in Robert's book, so this is his conclusion of what happened, according to Kate's journal and the packaging he found in Kate's trash (the HCG)
She took HCG that HER DOCTOR ADMINISTERED, and discovered there were 3-4 follicles (eggs) that had matured and were ready to travel down the Fallopian tubes for fertilization (if that was the # of embryos wanted - could be reduced in #). Jon gave his sperm, probably the old fashioned way.
After that was done, it is thought Kate gave herself an extra shot of HCG, purchased from another country, and suddenly instead of 3-4
ripe follicles, there were 7. Since none of the
sextuplets are identical, eggs did not split, they were 7 separate follicles. Jon's sperm
impregnated all 7, but one was reabsorbed by Kate's body, (according to Kate's story that came out a few years later.) The Gosselins refused to consider reducing the # at any time.
The doctor was surprised, Jon was stunned. Kate just screamed. We don't know if it was
scream for joy that a plan worked, or scream of horror that her plan actually was now for real. But according to her, it was one of the most horrible days of her life.
Now, I'm pretty sure somebody will correct any errors I have made here, and I'd be thankful for any and all of them. But this is the basic gist of what Robert tells us went on.
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What "Robert tells you" and reality are two different things. As others have already pointed out, HCG does not "create" follicles, it stimulates ovulation. Robert is not a fertility expert and is regurgitating conspiracy theories that have been swirling in the Gosselin blogosphere for years.
I think it's eating Kate up that she can't set the record straight. As far as not talking because she is guilty, she has shown that she wants to tell it all. One with her book, I just want you to know. Two, her journal. She couldn't even wait until the kids grew up.
It's like a child that has money in his pocket and names everything he wants to buy. They get so antsy that when they can finally spend it they forget all they want to buy and ends up buying everything but what they wanted.
Kate had so much in her journal that she finally let loose and out comes I just want you to know. I have a feeling that TLC didn't want her to go on her own but good ole Kate had a journal full. I think it is the same with her writing everything on her ipad.
from the webMD web site
One dose of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is then used to stimulate ovulation.
Gonadotropins may be used:
[...]For developing multiple egg follicles on the ovaries. Multiple eggs are harvested and used in assisted reproductive techniques such as in vitro fertilization or gamete intrafallopian transfer.
Ovarian stimulation increases the likelihood of multiple pregnancy (twins, triplets, or more). Multiple pregnancy is considered high-risk for both a mother and her fetuses.
Milo is being outed on Twitter by someone who knows who it is...it's not one person but an intern account set up to tweet adulation to Kate and keep the fire going for her. It wasn't supposed to be a country hick, but rather a mom with kids, and it got out of hand. Interesting stuff. How true? Don't know, but it certainly makes sense when one considers that the Milo tweets take on different personalities, depending on the subject and the time of day, and tonight Milo tweeted that Kate knows who she is and where she is. Was this a slip-up?
Don't rely on Robert, you and I are saying the same thing, just using different words. HCG, ovaries stimulated, 3 or 4 ripe follicles released, more HCG, 3 or 4 more ripe follicles released....7.
Thank you for your concern about Robert, but I'm not in that camp. I think he's got the real story about what happens in that house and what Kate did to assure her future as a famous person. That includes what Robert writes about her unauthorized use of HCG. Thanks again, though.
don't rely on don't rely on Robert said... 154
from the webMD web site
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If Kate premeditated it or not, the bottom line is that she had more than she could handle. She knew it was at least three. She knew she had a anger problem, She knew they couldn't afford them. She knew she had, according to her, ocd and had a hard time with others doing things different than she would. Most and worst of all, she knew three were to many to handle alone and she still chose to keep them.
So you see, it really doesn't matter if she helped it along or not. She wouldn't have changed a thing.
Milo is being outed on Twitter by someone who knows who it is...it's not one person but an intern account set up to tweet adulation to Kate and keep the fire going for her.
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It would certainly explain a lot, since Milo was crippled and unable to go on a cruise, and a short time later was preparing for a 5K run. She gave her thanks to Kate for encouraging her and supporting her...making Kate out to be a miracle healer.
Thank you for your concern about Robert, but I'm not in that camp. I think he's got the real story about what happens in that house and what Kate did to assure her future as a famous person. That includes what Robert writes about her unauthorized use of HCG. Thanks again, though.
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Exactly. There was a reason she bought that hormone and ordered it out of the country and under a fake name. It certainly wasn't for Jon's use.
Maybe Kate wrote down what happened in her journal because it was a way to confess her sins. Kinda like Catholics go and confess to a Priest their sins! It made her feel better by writing down what she was doing to those babies!
I have a hard time relating to her because I can't even imagine doing those horrific things to those kids. As a matter of fact I'd probably be the complete opposite and smother them with love to the point where my children would say " enough mom we know you love us"!
I wonder how she did with the taping of Andy Cohen' s show. I once read that Morgan Fairchild is really smart. I wonder if they were interviewed together or separate ?
(Let's Throw Tomatoes)
Milo is being outed on Twitter by someone who knows who it is...it's not one person but an intern account set up to tweet adulation to Kate
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That has got to be the funniest and the saddest thing I have ever heard. How wonderfully pathetic! Adulation that comes basically from paid help. hoothoothoothoothoothoot! Does Kate even know this? snickersnickersnickersnickersnicker.
Oh my, I thought I'd heard it all in LoveKateLand, but that takes the pancake!
Oh, I do hope it's true. I really do.
"It's YOUR turn to kiss up to her!"
Heck, no. I had to tell her UR so wunderfl 8 times yesterday, I'm done.
"Then Roscoe, you do it"
No way. I can't face it today. It's Monday!
"Well, OK, but I forget. Is today a g day or
a dropped g day? Do I have one child or three today? Somebody give me the cue cards! I've got some droolin' to do here!"
I hope it's 6 guys in a frat house earning enough to pay their rent.
Many of us have said we thought Milo was just too over the top to be for real. Maybe, just maybe, we were right!
Oh, I hope it's all true. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I bet Kate is paying Milo/inter to tweet good things about her.
fidosmommy said... 130
''And here it is. November, 2010. Eric Roberts speaks about Kate.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/11/eric-roberts-calls-kate-gosselin-a-child-abuser
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I'm just about to go to bed, and haven't looked it up, but I believe that Eric Roberts statement was made when the pap photos of KK spanking the little girl were published. If I'm mistaken, please correct me.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That has got to be the funniest and the saddest thing I have ever heard. How wonderfully pathetic! Adulation that comes basically from paid help. hoothoothoothoothoothoot! Does Kate even know this? snickersnickersnickersnickersnicker.
Oh my, I thought I'd heard it all in LoveKateLand, but that takes the pancake!
Oh, I do hope it's true. I really do.
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I just went over there and read the excitement for tonight. The person who outed the interns/Milo was noboogers4U. You can check out the tweets on Tweet Tunnel and what went down.
I'm not sure if it's true or not, but Milo really got off Twitter fast!
salleywinner
@Berksgrl @noboogers4u @Kateplusmy8 TLC SUED to stop the sale of the @gosselinbook b/c IT CONTAINED ACTUAL COPIES OF TLC CONTRACTS. period.
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I am so confused. Did TLC file suit? I thought it was Kate's attorneys who had the book removed from sale, and that Discovery just sent a Cease and Desist letter.
Last I heard nobody has sued anyone, or did I miss something?
MiloandJack was an account set up to give plausible deniability to anyone questioning Kate or her tweets. Intern account and there's no LIGHTS out man. @noboogers4u also says Kate is set to do a Nickleodeon commercial also Milo was set up to be a mom with a husband, kid, dog and cat , someone wo could relate, got out of hand.
Any chance Milo could be Julie Carson May or someone working for her or , perhaps, Jamie?
Pulling the Wool, I think we are all waiting to see. Robert is incommunicado, which he should be, and nothing has hit any part of the media.
We are all waiting to hear what's going on, but it might be a long wait.
Am I the only one who thinks Milo is exactly who she says she is? An obsessed fan, lots of celebs have them, whose celeb is actually interacting with them, making them all the worse. Had Kate just ignored her she may have gone away by now.
Kathy, as much as I really want it to be a bunch of rowdy frat boys, the tweeter noboogers4U suggests it's TLC interns who were on site during filming. Whether that's true or not is up to the reader to decide, I guess.
I still think it's hysterically, sadly amusing.
Admin, I usually accept things at face value. I thought Milo was some soppy person who loved and protected Kate and wanted to be her friend.
But in the past year it has become comical, and started to sound way too contrived to be real.
It was going beyond starstruck and had ventured into a parody of fandom. It sounded like a big prank to me. I kept saying that I thought Milo was there to jerk Kate's chain, and that she was not really a Kate fan. Way over the top.
To hear it may be several people playing along was just the ticket for me. I love it.
But, you may be right. Maybe she's just an over the top kind of gal. Maybe she is just who she says she is. But who is that, really?
Lots of discrepancies in her presentation.
@boogers4u
@kateplusmy8 I've already outed myself giving this information, there is no LIGHTS out man and there is no real person.
go ahead and doubt me on this. I'll be trashed tonight or tomorrow but I don't care. It's a fact and deal with it @kateplusmy8
One more thing and then I will quit hijacking the thread and go to bed.
1) If there is no lights out man, does that also mean there is no vanilla ice cream? Oh no!
2) noboogers4u says MiloandJack is an acronym.
Any ideas? I'll try.....
Mommy is Loudly Overbearin' & Just Ask Crazy Kate
GN my 15 minute bloggies! ;-)
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Njay: Hope mom is ok.
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Anger, she is doing good. Thank you. I brought her home from the ER about 3 hours ago. They couldn't find anything though. They did give her some antibiotics yet said she didn't have an infection. Go figure.
Her eyes still don't look normal and she still is a little confused and coughing but the chest pains have gone away. She has had three heart attacks, two stints.
If Milo works for Khate why does she keep harping on her about Shoka?
Woke up in the middle of the night and now I can't get back to sleep. UGH! I hate when that happens. At least I don't have to work today, so I can sleep in if necessary.
Tomatoes 161 -- Morgan Fairchild is VERY smart (and yes, I have met her). If KK tries any shootsky (again, thanks, Kiwi. I love it!) with her, Morgan will shred her. It'll be done with a smile and a sweet Southern charm and KK won't know what hit her.
So Milo may be a sock! That would certainly explain all the inconsistencies. Who knows for sure. Just when you think you have everything figured out in KKs world, something new comes along. No wonder most of us keep coming back. You just couldn't make this stuff up. It's so entertaining, in a sick and discouraging kind of way.
PJ's Momma -- Please don't desert us again! We've missed you. Don't let one drive-by run you off. Just agree, agree, agree (It makes them CRAZY!!) and stick around.
njay -- Glad your mom is home and doing better. Caring for aging parents is difficult {{{hugs}}}.
PJ's momma is mad because someone called out her HumbleBrag?? What do you expect? When you post here about how great and well off you are, you're gonna piss people off. Common sense.
Also, regarding the paps chasing her at high speeds. Kate always thinks they will get mobbed by paps, she always thinks the paps are following her (when in fact we have learned that many times SHE was calling the paps). I don't know, I just have this nagging feeling that it's Kate's bad behavior and a usual, she is trying to blame her poor choices on someone else.
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These chases happened in the summer of '09. Kate wasn't calling the paps then. They were lined up at her fence during that summer.
Fidosmamma,
Lots of discrepancies in her presentation.
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Lots of discrepancies in her brain.
Am I the only one who thinks Milo is exactly who she says she is? An obsessed fan, lots of celebs have them, whose celeb is actually interacting with them, making them all the worse. Had Kate just ignored her she may have gone away by now.
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Nope, my hand is raised in your favor. hehe My speak for I agree with you. For me the radio phone call way back when convinces me.
Readerlady and Njay -- I will keep you company in the wee hours.
Readerlady, 177 -- except for having met Morgan Fairchild, I agree with everything you said in your post.
Did anyone else notice that in Kate's journal entries "woah" and "georgeous" are both mis-spelled in her signature way?
I looked back at Milo's tweets and apparently she deleted the ones I'm thinking of but does anyone remember when she was on vacation a few weeks ago? Something in her tweets to Kate made me think it was her beach house in Alabama Kate and the kids went to last summer. She showed a photo of a walk way to the beach and said something about Kate must have too. She also deleted the photo. Sorry I can't remember exactly what it was. There have been many things Milo has said on Twitter that lead me to believe she really does know Kate personally. I'm not sure how but maybe she is an aunt or cousin. I'm convinced they know each other and have met before. I also think Milo gets private information from Kate either through phone calls or emails.
She also wouldn’t be fertilizing three, or possibly four mature eggs. God would not have had a problem with Kate going home and trying again next time. But Kate did come back, the very next day and received her “one final injection of HCG” (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) and then the IUI (Intrauterine Insemination) and went home again to wait. At least that’s what she was supposed to do. What Kate actually did though when she got home was to immediately give herself at least one more shot of HCG, which she had purchased weeks before online. With the IUI, Jon’s sperm were now swimming around inside of Kate’s uterus among the three or four mature eggs that the doctor knew about. Kate wasn’t looking for maybe two, or three or even four babies this time around though, and she wasn’t about to leave anything to chance either. She knew that by administering her own injection of HCG, even more mature eggs would drop down to join the others, unbeknownst to her ‘African doctor.’ Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online.
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Can somebody explain this to me: We know these facts given by Robert:
1)Kate had 3 to 4 possible mature follicles.
2)She returned to the Dr. the next day and received another & final HCG shot by the Dr. Then had IUI that very day. (washed sperm placed in her uterus).
Let's pretend here Kate did NOT do step 4) Kate give herself another shot of HCG at home received from online.
Robert states that the Dr. was shocked that more than than 4 mature eggs were present. Well, remember her Dr. the next day gave her another(her final)HCG shot so of course more eggs 4 could have been present.
Even if Kate never gave herself another shot at home, she could have had more than the original 4 follicles because her DR. gave her another shot at his office before the IUI procedure.
What am I missing here? Robert's point doesn't make sense. If the Dr. NEVER gave Kate another shot after detecting the 3 to mature follicles and Kate gave herself another shot, then we would know that it was Kate's shot that caused more mature eggs. But the Dr. gave Kate another shot after the detection of the 4 follicles. So it could have been the Dr.'s final shot or Kate's own shot she gave herself that caused more than the 4 mature follicles.
Please explain this to me. It is driving me nuts.
Don't Rely on Robert said:
he took HCG that HER DOCTOR ADMINISTERED, and discovered there were 3-4 follicles (eggs) that had matured and were ready to travel down the Fallopian tubes for fertilization (if that was the # of embryos wanted - could be reduced in #). Jon gave his sperm, probably the old fashioned way.
After that was done, it is thought Kate gave herself an extra shot of HCG, purchased from another country, and suddenly instead of 3-4
ripe follicles, there were 7. Since none of the
sextuplets are identical, eggs did not split, they were 7 separate follicles. Jon's sperm
impregnated all 7, but one was reabsorbed by Kate's body, (according to Kate's story that came out a few years later.) The Gosselins refused to consider reducing the # at any time.
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That is not what he said. The Dr. discovered the 3 mature follicles, possibly 4. Robert said Kate returned the NEXT DAY to receive another and final shot and her IUI procedure. Then Kate went home after that and gave herself another shot.
Is there any proof that Milo is an intern account. If there is no lights out man than why did Milo say so herself.
I believe what Admin. believes. Milo is who she says she is. I think she is old. I heard her phone voice on that radio show. She called herself Fired Up and sounded very old to me.
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I remember that! It was a path to the beach and she said "Look familiar?"
I totally have always thought Milo was a faker. The Internet is the Wild West for fake identities.
Kate was not anxious to allow the toddlers move to beds because the cribs were her cages for the babies...climb out and you get spanked.
As far as Shoka, if she is cruel to the children, I can only imagine how the dog is treated. Kate Gosselin shows no natural loving empathy for her kids or animals.
And I agree, Admin, if she has invested millions she can live comfortably on the interest.
Can anyone see Kate's Twitter feed at top? It's blank for me.
Please send good thought for Mr. Bichon today (15 years old, God bless him). He's been having one little thing after another recently and this morning had another spasm (heavily leaning away from seizure per Vet) and was incontinent in bed. DH took him to Vet Hospital and he seemed to perk up and nothing flashed horrible red flags. Bichon got blood drawn and some serious muscle relaxers for the next few day (he's already on pain reliever/anti-inflammatory).
I thought this could be it ;-( Cried til I could hardly breathe.
Can't wait to have him back home and be next to me today. I hope he has the strength to get past this rough patch and be his old man self again.
Thanks friends.
I don't think TLC would have interns spending time defending KT after they kicked her to the curb. I thought M/J would be the one fan that would hold her accountable for mistreatment of the kids or the animals. But no she is lamely limping along in a feeble attempt to make it all seem trivial. However, some of the tweets seem borderline satirical at times which does make one wonder if she is playing with a full deck or crazy like a fox. One thing is for sure, she is single-handedly keeping KT's twitter alive (her and the nonfans). Otherwise would be dead in the water.
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salleywinner
@Berksgrl @noboogers4u @Kateplusmy8 TLC SUED to stop the sale of the @gosselinbook b/c IT CONTAINED ACTUAL COPIES OF TLC CONTRACTS. period.
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I am so confused. Did TLC file suit? I thought it was Kate's attorneys who had the book removed from sale, and that Discovery just sent a Cease and Desist letter.
Last I heard nobody has sued anyone, or did I miss something?
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The sheeple apparently don't understand the difference between sending a letter and filing an actual suit.
As far as we know there have been NO papers (suits) filed with the courts, just the original cease and desist letter sent to Robert and the letter sent to Amazon.
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Can anyone see Kate's Twitter feed at top? It's blank for me.
Please send good thought for Mr. Bichon today (15 years old, God bless him). He's been having one little thing after another recently and this morning had another spasm (heavily leaning away from seizure per Vet) and was incontinent in bed. DH took him to Vet Hospital and he seemed to perk up and nothing flashed horrible red flags. Bichon got blood drawn and some serious muscle relaxers for the next few day (he's already on pain reliever/anti-inflammatory).
I thought this could be it ;-( Cried til I could hardly breathe.
Can't wait to have him back home and be next to me today. I hope he has the strength to get past this rough patch and be his old man self again.
Thanks friends.
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Alot of positive, & healing vibes for your Mr. Bichon, Tucker's Mom.
Love,
Pink
P.S. My Kate Tweeter feed is also blank this morning- but it's happens every so often.
Her Twitter still exists, though ;o)
Thanks, Pink.
Bichon is home--had a drink and big breakfast--something told me yesterday to make him ground beef and baked potato, so he got that heated up this morning at went at it.
Good sign.
Waiting for blood work and urinalysis results later today ;-)
Our black lab/his mommy couldn't wag and smell him enough when Bichon came home. So adorable.
Well, Kate should be proud of herself. The story about neglecting the dogs has already gone viral with at least 15 different websites writing online articles.
Did anyone else catch the end of Watch What Happens Live last night? Andy had on the guys from Jersey Shore and Andy put up a photo of Kate and Morgan Fairchild and stated they were his guests tomorrow night (tonight). The Jersey Shore guys started laughing and snickering and you could hear Andy making sounds too, like he KNOWS it's going to be interesting! I do plan to watch as I've always enjoyed the show; it's like no other late night show that is for sure!
I've looked everywhere in the TV Schedule for here (Quebec) and I can't find Watch What Happens Live anywhere. I'm just hoping that there will be a way to get a you tube version or maybe someone will be able to post a link here.
I'm hoping to see Kate squirm!
Bluebird look for Bravo TV channel. It is broadcast on that channel.
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I've looked everywhere in the TV Schedule for here (Quebec) and I can't find Watch What Happens Live anywhere. I'm just hoping that there will be a way to get a you tube version or maybe someone will be able to post a link here.
I'm hoping to see Kate squirm! "
Has Kate ever squirmed on any show she has ever been on? No! I doubt this one will be any different..she always comes out smelling like a rose.
"Am I the only one who thinks Milo is exactly who she says she is? An obsessed fan, lots of celebs have them, whose celeb is actually interacting with them, making them all the worse"
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I also think Milo is who she says she is. She has been around on the fan blogs for several years. She always acted like she knew what Kate was thinking, always defended her, but also bashed Jon and especially bashed Ellen.
When she had her surgery last summer, Kate never even asked how she was doing. When she came back, Kate finally recognized her. I think Kate realized that she had a fan who would never ever question anything that she did and used that to her advantage. Hence, the shout out on Dr. Drew. Then Kate followed her back in June so that Milo could give a play by play of her half marathon in SD.
Kate has made Milo feel "special" and Milo will do anything and everything for Kate. There could be a possibility that Kate is using Milo as her "spokesperson", especially since they follow each other. They could be DMing each other back and forth, with Kate feeding Milo info on what to say, but we wouldn't know that.
Or because they follow each other, Milo is just acting like she has the "inside" scoop on all things Kate.
Either way, it is creepy.
I sometimes can see Kate's tweets at the top of this page and other times a blank box comes up.
I use IE and will get a message saying that IE has modified the page to prevent cross-site scripting, which I take to mean there is some sort of conflict between twitter.com and and something on this site.
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