11. The World According to Kate Part 1
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In an e-mail to
Jon in 2006, Kate wrote: “I'm sorry... I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
frustrated with you! I beg and plead and beg some more for you to do things
around here that I CAN'T do... and you don't do them! It is so frustrating! Why
can't you see that in order to keep our house running smoothly, you have to
help with more than just the daily stuff? Everyone would win in the end! I'd be
happy so everyone else would be happy--including yourself! Don't take the lazy
approach! I am not going away so you can either do the stuff i ask or live
miserably! You choose!”
Kate passed on
filming dinner after a visit to the NICU because Steve couldn’t be there. She
also appeared to be very jealous of the Duggars and would make jokes about
them.
Not content to
just order off the room service menu, Kate had very specific demands for a
family stay at the Essex hotel in New York, including Kobe beef, and fruit from
Whole Foods.
Kate’s emails to Jen Stocks, shortly
before Jen left to work on the Duggars, grow increasingly snippy and demanding.
She points to production problems including “continuing oversights” and “lack
of organization” and demanded a meeting to talk about these issues. Kate
complains among other things that Jen did not provide her a shooting schedule
far enough in advance, to which Jen replied that in fact she had, the problem
was Kate hadn’t confirmed it, and that production always works around Kate’s schedule and bends over backwards to be
accommodating. Wrote Jen: “Below is the schedule for this week. As you know, I
tried many times Last week to get the plans for this week confirmed with you,
and I am still waiting on you to tell me if we can do interviews on Friday. I
emailed you this week's schedule, as it existed last week, on Thursday. And
that is when you decided that you wanted to make changes. I'm not sure when we
have ever done anything at a time that did not Suit you, you are the one who
always chooses the times, we work around your schedule, always.”
In another email
to Jen in which Kate tells her, look baby, it’s not you, Kate sort of
apologizes to her. Tellingly, Kate writes, “We appreciate having a say about
WHO comes to our house as part of the crew. We appreciate a crew without
opinions (we have discussed this before).” [Admin note: No opinions? You mean
no opinions on child abuse or child labor violations? And if Kate had no say in
who comes to her house, how can she say with any certainty that she has any
control over who is around her children, including, potentially, someone like
Bill Blankinship?]
A new producer
brought on board after Jen transferred, Jeff, wrote an email to Julie Carson
May essentially falling all over himself to help Jon and Kate make a great show
and be happy doing it and improve things from when Jen was at the helm. He asks
to set up a dinner meeting to discuss all of their concerns from before and fix
them. Apparently neither Jen nor her replacement Jeff were good enough for
Kate, as Kate replies skeptically to Julie that she doesn’t trust Jeff and
doesn’t want to do dinner until a trial month is over.
Kate writes this in response to an
article in a local Philly publication: “TLC wants us to continue to be
'normal'.... Wonder how we will explain
the $2M house? :)”
When asked via
e-mail to speak at a Triplet Convention conference in Philadelphia , Kate writes to Jon: “Blah blah
blah... No thanks.”
A
friend of a mother and fan of the show newly pregnant with sextuplets, reached
out for support from Kate. Kate replied to Jon, “You realize.... She's only 8
wks along.......” [Admin’s note: Sadly, Kate’s fan Courtney Tipping indeed lost
all six of her babies, apparently never having received any encouragement from
her idol Kate. Wonder if she’s still a fan?]
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Due
to some of the stories in the tabloids, a company backed out of a $100,000
deal, which naturally ticked Kate off.
At
one point, forty hours of babysitting was approved by TLC for each episode. There were some disputes
over their nanny Judy’s rates when she stayed overnight. Robert Hoffman regards
Judy as the children’s best nanny, although at some point she was let go.
Kate
found it “annoying” that a fan who gave them free toys featured on an episode
of the show, also named their child Aaden. And by the way, it appears the only
way the fan knew they received the toys was they saw them show up in an
episode. Says the fan: “My wife and I were
watching the show the other day and happened to see these toys that we gave you
in the background. We were thrilled to
see that the kids received them and seemed to enjoy them.“ What, no thank you note, Kate? I guess
featuring them on the show is thank you enough these days?
12. The World According to Kate Part 2
Much of Kate’s journals show her daily emotions of selfishness, jealousy and greed. When Jen Stocks gave her a $750 gift card, she felt anger because she wanted more.
On
the five year anniversary of 9-11, Kate wrote this: Monday, September 11, 2006 Today is the five
year remembrance of the Sept 11 bombings
or whatever.”
Kate
grew easily frustrated with various people, often with little to no good
explanation why, at least none that she wrote down. They include a sound
person, a kind neighbor who offered to help watch the twins, the pediatrician
(who is obnoxious and lacks intelligence), and Mady’s kindergarten teacher. She
seemed to sometimes feel that people who wanted to help just wanted the
limelight. She once said her local favorite restaurant gave her the ‘Wyomissing” attitude, and so she left.
In
April
2007, she wrote this of Joel: “Poor little Joel- he is in love with his daddy
and wants to be loved by me. I do
love him… but I hate to say that his
father like cluelessness makes me crazy!”
Kate also seemed to feel that people who did not follow her orders,
did not love her. Kate was very upset when Jon lied about buying lunch for
himself in Philadelphia, calling it the most “horrible day in history.” She
writes, “Why am I so unloved that he has to continually lie to me?”
13. Child Abuse
In 2009, an unnamed former staffer gave an interview to
The National Enquirer that appears to be the first mention of the physical
abuse going on in the home. The interview got a little press, then seemed to
quietly fade away.
“She dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic spoon,” the staffer said. “You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs. People told me it happened more than once, but it was off-camera because Kate didn’t want it in the show.”
“She dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic spoon,” the staffer said. “You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs. People told me it happened more than once, but it was off-camera because Kate didn’t want it in the show.”
The journals Robert found corroborate this brave staffer’s
story. Kate details a number of incidents from when the children were toddlers.
Collin knocked over some high chairs, so Kate spanked him very hard, whipped
him into his crib, and actually thought she might seriously injure him. She spanked
Alexis and Joel for trashing their room, and pulled Collin by his hair for eating
M&Ms. Kate said she apologized to them, feels guilty, and sees her dad in
herself.
When Aaden had a potty training accident in the dining
room, she spanked him and felt he should have been able to control himself
better. Joel was spanked for climbing out of his crib during nap time, and
further punished by being left there beyond nap time.
Mady was spanked for being “grouchy,” which made her “happy
up.”
Kate spanks the kids for various other frustrations like
getting into tissues. She once called Jon so upset with them she told him she
thought she might hurt them. She had taken to sending them to their cribs when
they were naughty where they would be “safe” from her.
Kate threatened Jon that if he ever spoke a word about
her abusing the kids, that Discovery would sue him for every cent he’d ever
make, and she’d make sure he never saw or had any contact with his children
ever again.
The same day Kate tweeted about the family weeding
outside, Robert observed Kate yelling at the children to work harder and
faster, and the children crying, while she jogged the driveway.
Robert was present to drive Jon home on that day in
August 2010 in which video showed the children wailing for their Daddy as Jon
dropped them off at the house in the big blue bus. Jon had called Robert prior
explaining that the kids were upset and didn’t want to go home, and he was an
hour late trying to get them all into the van.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 306 of 306 Newer› Newest»Actually, She Is said... 188
Thank you so much for that excellent post!! I have a child that has autistic tendencies & some of what you said gives me food for thought.
I almost wonder if that 20/20 interview deserves its own post. It seems so relevant.
Also one more thing Posh, again I have to emphasize that when a true drive by comes here and is rude and inflammatory remarks aimed at individuals, that is NOT a newbie just trying to fit in. I simply cannot require the posters here to treat those people like sugary syrup. They have a right to stand up for themselves.
I don't know what you are seeing, but this group is very nice and welcoming to those who are respectful. I don't see the cliques, I don't see the old ladies catered to, I don't see it. Look at how LBelle, an infrequent poster, was treated.
And blogs on blogs is exactly what you are doing, yet you say you can't stand it. Don't contribute to it then.
I came across the following on twitter while reading Kate's feed. It's from Jackie Hoffman - local Berks DJ and apparently Kate admirer who has had Kate on the show. It looks to me like she was try to shit stir so that she'd have something to talk about on her show. Why do I think this? The first tweet is directed to "haters". This was two days ago and I don't know if it generated as much "hate" as she wanted. I wonder what the brass at the radio station think about her love for a child/animal abuser. The tweets are:
radiogrl43 Ok @Kateplusmy8 haters, Im going to send Kate a message. So get ready to fire back...because I happen to like her. So bring it. #k8rocks
Followed immeditely by:
@radiogrl43: @Kateplusmy8 I said it before and I will say it again. I have met you on 2 occasions , YOU are a class act, beautiful, gr8 mom & healthy.
Actually, She Is said... 195
"Whoops, I should have said (188) that I have a personality just like Kate's, but without the NPD.'
Actually, you didn't have to. :) We can tell. Thanks again for sharing.
Jane said... 198
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 189
Sometimes your phone won't even work at all and yes there are all kinds of roaming charges for using the internet depending on the country.
But if there is wireless she can hop on for free like anywhere else. It's just a question of would she bother.
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Nah, she wouldn't bother. Especially if she's being a star, having Deanna apply makeup and do hair and having fun with Steve. And is away from the children. It all fits. On the other hand, she could be in rehab and Deanna knows that even if she innocently tweets to a friend, she'll be besieged by Milo and her buddies.
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Jane, I agree. i think she is somewhere getting the star treatment with Steve. Maybe back in Mexico as someone else suggesting. People magazine anyone? "EXCLUSIVE! Kate Gosselin breaks her silence! Photos inside!"
I still say she will tweet Saturday or Sunday, just once. She will be back home by Monday night and so will the kids and the Rainbows Birthing Unicorns Inside Sunshine Bubbles tweets will commence by Tuesday night right as the kids get back to Kate's house from school.
I am seeing a pattern of the kids 10-14 days with Jon and then 10 days with Kate, and then she takes off for a few days. And she only tweets when she is locked in the house with the kids.
I am mostly likely wrong however, and I really do hope she is locked away in a psych facility, which she will call 'rehab' or a 'spa'.
Actually, She Is, 188 -- thank you for sharing your experience and insight. You sound like a disciplined and caring person. I am sure your close friends are very blessed to know you.
NJGal51 said... 4
"I came across the following on twitter while reading Kate's feed. It's from Jackie Hoffman - local Berks DJ and apparently Kate admirer who has had Kate on the show. It looks to me like she was try to shit stir so that she'd have something to talk about on her show. Why do I think this? The first tweet is directed to "haters". This was two days ago and I don't know if it generated as much "hate" as she wanted. I wonder what the brass at the radio station think about her love for a child/animal abuser. The tweets are:
radiogrl43 Ok @Kateplusmy8 haters, Im going to send Kate a message. So get ready to fire back...because I happen to like her. So bring it. #k8rocks"
What a dumba**. @@
Glad she didn't get responses.
Well, I'm infrequent, not sure about "much loved", and all I have to say is that if people are saying this is how they feel, that is how they feel. And there are more than a few people who say how off putting it is here at first. I've said it too. So whether the regulars agree or not, it is something that people pick up on and is not invalid.
A counselor once told me that 90% of conflict resolution is acknowledging the other person's point of view. Something that happens here more often now than it used to. Which I choose to believe is because people have said they felt shunned.
Actually #188, thank you for the excellent post. As someone else said, it was very insightful to those of us not familiar with autism. God bless.
In case people forget their different parenting styles, it's all there in color:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ZQD2R_EMU&feature=endscreen
Watch to the end if you can.
LancasterCountyMom - She did get some responses but I don't think that she got as many as she expected AND I don't think that the "haters" responses to her were all that bad.
LancasterCountyMom said... 5
Actually, She Is said... 195
"Whoops, I should have said (188) that I have a personality just like Kate's, but without the NPD.'
Actually, you didn't have to. :) We can tell. Thanks again for sharing.
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This made me grin - Thanks, LancasterCountyMom. I'm glad to hear this!
Dwindle, thank you for your response. This was a really difficult post to write, but I thought it was important. Knowledge really is power. It helps when trying to understand other people, and it helps when trying to understand yourself.
Dmasy, thank you, too.
Aeduko I think people have been very acknowledging of other's points of views. We've been talking about it all along here. Even though it's breaking the rules it's being allowed.
What suggestions do you have for improving things? The blog is huge and I don't think can be what people are demanding it be. I think we've explained pretty well why it's impossible to respond to every single post. For those that say my posts are not responded to, have YOU responded to other posts? You want your posts responded to yet I don't see you coming in responding to every post. Of course I wouldn't expect anyone to do that, but think about how unreasonable that demand is when you can't even accomplish it yourself.
That is frustrating to me because I want everyone to feel great here and yet I don't see how to do it on a blog this size.
@radiogrl43: @Kateplusmy8 I said it before and I will say it again. I have met you on 2 occasions , YOU are a class act, beautiful, gr8 mom & healthy.
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Two occasions. Well there's a good sample size.
I believe Kate will go broke before she will let Steve go, as he's all she has left. He's been there for a while now. I also believe that IF (cause we know this won't happen) Kate was to tell Steve that she couldn't afford him and he should go,that he would convince her that he should stay and she should keep paying.
This guy has found his gold mine (for now) in Kate and his wife Gina knows this. He could play pork pistol with Kate every night and go home and tell Gina that it's all just rumors..here look at my paycheck. If he can brainwash Kate,well then you he can brainwash his wife as well.
Aeduko said... 10
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I appreciate your insight and I think I consider you fairly 'regular' around here. I have made myself a promise to be more patient with names I am unfamiliar with.
I think Milo's getting worried:
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 We definitely need a #ImAlive tweet Kate! LOL Know U have been workin really hard, long hrs. Hope U are hm now? #MissYou :)
She says on twitter that she KNOWS Kate has been working really hard, yet I read somewhere else where she said that she HOPES that Kate has something new that she is working on.
So she doesn't know a thing, although she's trying to give the impression she does.
I still say she will tweet Saturday or Sunday, just once. She will be back home by Monday night and so will the kids and the Rainbows Birthing Unicorns Inside Sunshine Bubbles tweets will commence by Tuesday night right as the kids get back to Kate's house from school.
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I still think she is away somewhere, hiding and hoping for things to die down (never will for her), and then will suddenly reappear with Happy Positive Thoughts and Platitudes for a Strong and Determined "Working" Woman. lol!
Then will come the "they won't get me down, I'm a determined mother of 8,8,8" interviews, to try to resurrect what she thinks her reputation is - which isn't correct, of course, as people do have a sixth sense about others which has been her problem all along.
In any case, I think it's a twitter strategy to be silent. And she thinks she will then rise like a phoenix, lol. Planning or filming the strategy somewhere warm and sunny, I imagine. (It's almost summer in New Zealand, right? ;) )
Boy, didn't look like him.
I think kate is trying to figure out how to spin this, with steeve, julie and lawyers...hoping the story will get off the front pages. Can't wait till julie may bails.
If they're so close what's Milo worried about?
She needs to admit that Kate left her in the dust just like everyone else. Some friend who doesn't even call/text/email in four days.
@radiogrl43: @Kateplusmy8 I said it before and I will say it again. I have met you on 2 occasions , YOU are a class act, beautiful, gr8 mom & healthy.
And on those 2 occasions did she have the kids with her? We all know that when Kate is solo and the center of attention she can come across as being all those things. It is when she has the children with her that the true Kate comes out. Great example was when Mady asked for water before an interview and Kate not only didn't give her any but proceeded to drink it in front of her. Yeah, that is a sign of a great mother.
Know U have been workin really hard, long hrs.
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Milo can hope or know all she wants, but working "hard long hours", true or not, still isn't going to help Kate.
re: Jon and discipline.
On the show, and especially on the actual 'Disciple" episode, both said they mainly used time-out as punishment. Kate another time scolded Jon for putting Collin in time-out for pushing his plate away. She said Daddy was mean and told Jon not to discipline out of anger but to explain what the child did wrong. What a hypocrite. I agree, although I don't know, that perhaps Kate wished Jon would be more on her side with corporal punishment aka abuse. I think Jon was a little rough at times but not abusive as far as we can tell.He also rescued Joel from the laundry room and asked if he had Tylenol- which I always wondered if Joel really had- they didn't show that part.
In the later episodes when jon obviously did not want to be there ( fire station lemonade) he was quite surly and short-tempered to the older girls, and took away the privilege of their participating...no hitting though...
A few months ago I was reading at BlindGossip - during one of my insomnia phases.
They have a tradition over there that a new poster seems to always say "First time poster here!" and without fail they get a hello and welcome from the admin. And some responses from other posters.
Admin, I know you dont want to add another 'rule' but perhaps we could politely ask newbies to identify themselves? It is hard to always tell a newbie, especially since we have one or two regular posters here who change their name with every post. But lots of times we see "Long time lurker, first time poster" and I see lots of folks try to say hello.
I do know that some have said that after that nice 'hello and welcome', they feel ignored, but I dont know how I (for one) could possibly reply to every post to make folks feel welcome. I just want to know what *I*, Dwindle, can do help non-stalkers feel more comfortable here.
I am asking in all humility and sincerity, so some one please give me some gentle suggestions. :-)
miloandjack
@muddiedRunner @Kateplusmy8 LOL..thanks! U really need a "thick skin" & a good sense of humor! I've come 2know Kate & just want 2encourage!
miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 We definitely need a #ImAlive tweet Kate! LOL Know U have been workin really hard, long hrs. Hope U are hm now? #MissYou :)
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But, Milo, if you've come to know Kate and as close as you are to her, then you certainly know if she is home or not! Certainly she's thrown you some bones in the past few days!
Admin, I know you dont want to add another 'rule' but perhaps we could politely ask newbies to identify themselves? It is hard to always tell a newbie, especially since we have one or two regular posters here who change their name with every post. But lots of times we see "Long time lurker, first time poster" and I see lots of folks try to say hello.
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Yes unless they identify themselves as new it's hard for me to tell too. I dont want to embarrass myself by welcoming someone who has been here for years.
I would also suggest that newbies take a few days if they have't already and just read the comments. Get a feel for the place. And when they do post, to make sure they read the rules, there are only four, and be sure they are not violating any of them or even coming close.
Actually, She Is said... 188
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One of them most fascinating reads on this blog. Thank you for sharing. Your insight makes so much sense and it gives me some measure of hope that the Gosselin kids stand a chance of having a mentally healthy mother, should Kate embrace help and change.
I'm grateful that Jon has changes and not reverted to seeking the media for attention and remuneration. Or, any kinds of "career".
Eonline.com had a short blurb about what Jon is up to, in light of Kate's firing:
"Just saw the news about Kate Gosselin getting fired from her coupon job. Which reminds me, where did her ex Jon Gosselin disappear to?
—Figgs, Ohio, via Twitter
If by "disappeared" you mean "stopped doing public appearances and settled down into a relatively anonymous life in Pennsylvania," then, yes. The former Mr. Kate is back to working in the tech field and, I hear, has plans to start a business or two in that arena in coming months."
Source:
http://www.eonline.com/news/355716/what-jon-gosselin-is-doing-these-days-honey-boo-boo-s-shelf-life-and-more-burning-questions?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-topstories&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_topstories
It makes more sense now why Jon's mind could see that it was entirely possible to "go back" and why Kate insisted that even the mere possibility didn't exist. And of course, why Kate would let nothing or no one stand in her way, despite the trail of destruction she left behind.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 16
@radiogrl43: @Kateplusmy8 I said it before and I will say it again. I have met you on 2 occasions , YOU are a class act, beautiful, gr8 mom & healthy.
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Two occasions. Well there's a good sample size.
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For the love of gawd.
I see the same cashier at the grocery store nearly every week. She is very pleasant to me and quick, and I usually deliberatly get in her line.
So I have 'met her' likely over 100 times, every week for several years. But I have no way of knowing if she is a 'class act', a 'great mom' or 'healthy'.
Unless this radio announcer went on two, month long spiritual retreats with Kate, she wouldnt have a clue. Some folks have really lame standards.
A Dudes View said...This guy has found his gold mine (for now) in Kate and his wife Gina knows this. He could play pork pistol with Kate every night and go home and tell Gina that it's all just rumors..here look at my paycheck. If he can brainwash Kate,well then you he can brainwash his wife as well.
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That would be poetic justic, a con getting conned by a con.
LBelle, I'm glad you saw my post about SuperTy and his amazing parents. I just wanted to let you know where I heard of him.
Did you hear Taylor Swift sing 'Ronan' on the Stand Up2 Cancer show on TV? That song just ripped my heart out so I searched for Ronan on the internet.
I found his mother, Maya Thompson's website, www.rockstarronan.com and my heart has been ripped out of my chest since I started reading it. It is the most raw account of a mother's love & overwhelming grief & pain I have ever read. She has a gift like no other to grab childhood cancer & shove it right in your face & dare you to look.
I can't even type his name without crying. He was the most beautiful little boy who ever lived. Scary beautiful.
The cancer moms (how sick to even write those words) are a tight community & that's how I learned of Ty. When I received a Twitter alert about Ty dying, I did the only thing a reasonable person would do, I lashed out at the worst mother in the world. Ok, sort of kidding about being the reasonable thing to do.
If you read about Ronan, make sure you have tissues & lots of water to drink so you don't become dehydrated from crying.
In my 44 years, I've never heard the phrase "pork pistol"! LOVE IT!
ljohnson2006
@Kateplusmy8 keep being the great mom you are! Don't let the negativity get to you. Supporters of you and your 8 outweigh the haters 100x's
Apparently this one doesn't do much reading on the internet, or watch television shows, or read magazines or tabloids!
Dwindle said... 26
A few months ago I was reading at BlindGossip - during one of my insomnia phases.
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BlindGossip is one of the key places where I learned about how much inside info gets passed around (I know more about "bearding" now and who has them thanks to BG) behind the scenes in all sorts of venues. Then there's...I think it's the Daily Mail....where you can learn all sorts of inside info behind the scenes regarding celebrities and royals in the UK.
Having spent time reading at these sorts of places convinces me that there is just NO way that all sorts of info and rumors were circulating around for some time about Kate's abuse. There were just too many people involved...all the staffers, the filming crew, etc...not to mention all those who interacted with her at DWTS, etc....in green rooms while waiting to be interviewed, etc. It's my belief that hundreds of people were aware of or at the very least suspected what was going on and looked the other way.
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@ Administrator~
I think that many just don't realize the sheer numbers of people who regularly write comments here. There is just no way a group this size, with this many people actively commenting....could be considered to be any kind of clique.
It's always been my impression that at least 90% or more of the time, commenters (such as me) always use the same name and don't post under multiple names. Occasionally, one may change a name....but generally, we all use the same name for all of our individual comments. And if you just count the ones who actively comment under their own same name...it's really quite a LONG list. There are some blogs with a very small, close-knit group that can be hard to glide into (and also some with a small group who post under all sorts of different names).....but this isn't one of them. The numbers of active DIFFERENT commenters here on this blog is just MUCH higher than many seem to realize.
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And for the person who wrote #188 regarding autism:
Excellent information.....and some was even personally helpful for me.
Thank you
Kate may well be off somewhere filming a pilot for her dating show but I believe that if she is it is on her dime. SK8 productions was formed for a reason. I believe that she may have shopped the idea for a dating show and was told "show us something". This was before The Book and before the public firing from CC. As many of us have said, she can film all she wants but a network still has to pick it up and even if it is picked up how many episodes will air before the public becomes bored. Dating shows are becoming a "been there, done that, got the tee shirt" and who cares medium. She doesn't have enough fans or haters to sustain a show and grab mega ratings. Also, I don't think any network would cater to her as TLC did. At one point she was TLC's golden child but now she just an also ran.
Won't it be a week tomorrow since she's left the kids or am I mistaken?
We don't know exactly when Kate got fired. Last Saturday, she tweeted a few times about the race, and then did not tweet again until Tuesday afternoon. In that tweet, she said how she's busy, having fun, no worries, chat soon.
It's now been 4 whole days since she's tweeted. I really think that she is laying low, and that someone has convinced her not to tweet. I also suspect that they told her NOT to shut down her twitter account, because that would look like she was running away. Remember, when Jon shut his down? All the enablers were accusing him of that, and called him a chicken.
Kate wanted to convince her tweeties that she's too busy to tweet, and it looks like for now she has succeeded.
You'd think she would at least tweet her loyal followers with something like "Still busy, busy. Will tweet soon?". But she's not even throwing them a bone to gnaw on.
Dwindle, that's a good idea and I try to welcome those that say they are new. The problem for me is that when I check in while cooking dinner, sometimes there have been over a hundred posts through the day! At times, I find myself just skimming the posts to pick up on the topics. I could easily miss a new poster that way.
I'll try harder.
Dwindle said... 30
I see the same cashier at the grocery store nearly every week. She is very pleasant to me and quick, and I usually deliberatly get in her line.
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lol Dwindle. I have the opposite cashier at the grocery store. I avoid her like the plague because she's a BITCH. She looks and acts like Kate - about ten notches above us mediocre shoppers. I want to reach over, grab her by the throat and throttle her. She lectured me one time for not having my Safeway club card with me. WTF? So I asked her if it was too much trouble to type in my phone number and we've been exchanging nasty glances ever since...about five years. I'll circle the store ten times with my cart until another check out opens up.
chefsummer said... 37
Won't it be a week tomorrow since she's left the kids or am I mistaken?
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Kate appeared on Andy's show Oct. 11. If she left the kids that day, that was 9 days ago.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 2
You can't just put them to bed whenever you don't feel like dealing with them like they are children in an overcrowded Russian orphanage.
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I have looked into Russian adoption and remember an article regarding the orphanages...following is an except and a link to the article. I cannot help but see a similarity between the childhood of the Gosselin kids while they were filming and not filming:
"Human Rights Watch said, in its chilling report Cruelty and Neglect in Russian Orphanages. But having read the report, having spent time in numerous orphanages of different categories and levels, your thoughts blur down an endless tunnel of confusion, depression, incomprehension, fear, outrage and finally numbness, a feeling of helplessness against a behemoth.
And struggling to the surface, among the Dickensian pictures, are the constant smiles on the faces of staff, the genuine love they can show, the smell of a clean ward, the echoes of the babble of excited children, dressed in their best clothes, singing happy songs for the guests, warm kitchens, the clatter of spoons on plates.
But then again the pallid faces of babies in the "lying down rooms", the stoic, clinical, outdated dismissiveness: "This child is an idiot, that one's an imbecile," remind you how grim life is here.
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http://www.redcross.int/EN/mag/magazine2000_1/voyage_en.html
dee3 said... 35
"I think that many just don't realize the sheer numbers of people who regularly write comments here."
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When we were all posting our condolences to Dwindle and adding our names to that one comment, I counted over 90 names on that list and most of the names were regular posters. So yes, there is a large volume of regulars who post here.
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Harrisburg Native said... 7
You've seen me here only a few times...been reading for YEARS though. As of this year I'm living across the pond in England with my husband where luckily there is no mention of K8 in the media. I have heard several accounts throughout the years of people who have dealt with K8 in the Harrisburg area. No good stories, trust me.
The kids lived it, yes. Reading their mother's words in addition to the living nightmare...is so sad.
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Nice to meet you!! My English hubby is living across the pond with me here in Tennessee!!!
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Aw how lovely :) Such a culture shock, huh? I miss the US so much. Hopefully I'll come back one day. We're here now celebrating our wedding reception and we just toured Lancaster County and the Amish...what a weekend! Will need to get down to Tennessee sometime!
Did any of you guys read the "Fake Heinze ketchup factory discovered" story that's on Yahoo today? At the very end it says "And super-expensive Kobe beef isn't legally available in the US, so if you paid extra for a pricey Kobe steak you got ripped off". Not sure if this is true or if Kate's hotel could somehow get it anyway but thought it was interesting :).
In 2009, an unnamed former staffer gave an interview to The National Enquirer that appears to be the first mention of the physical abuse going on in the home. The interview got a little press, then seemed to quietly fade away.
“She dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic spoon,” the staffer said. “You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs. People told me it happened more than once, but it was off-camera because Kate didn’t want it in the show.”
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If everyone had to sign CAs how did this person get away with talking to NE?
Actually, She Is -- Thank you for your post. It took a great deal of courage for you to be so open with a group of strangers, and I'm impressed. You've given us something to think about when we look at KK's behaviors and consider what we'd like to do to her (kidding, kidding). Seriously, I'm working with a 7 year old right now who probably has Asperger's. Diagnostic testing is currently underway. He's extremely bright, but so difficult to reach. Your post gave me some insights and ideas of how to work with him. Whether KK is on the spectrum or is just a self-absorbed, oblivious, mean and nasty person remains to be seen, but maybe there is some hope for her. My wish is for SOMEONE to be able to break through to her and convince her to get the help she needs. And you, my friend, I hope will continue to grace us with your wisdom and courage. Bless you.
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Thank you so much for your post! I found it fascinating! I have an 8yo son with autism (fairly mild) and ADHD (NOT MILD!) and I'm always interested to hear from adults with ASD and learn how they cope.
I struggle every day (every minute sometimes) with when to push him and when to back off a bit. This past month has been especially hard, he is in a regular classroom (grade 3) and he's having a hard time. His class is large and his teacher and aid are inexperienced with ASD and they feel he needs to be in a special class that can better deal with his behavioural issues. I, on the other hand, feel that he needs to learn to deal with a typical environment and putting him in a special class will only set him back. It's so unbelievably hard to know how to deal with it, I worry constantly that I may be pushing him too hard. He does pretty well socially, has lots of friends and is well liked by his typical peers. He isn't like most ASD kids in that he is very very social and craves social interaction, he is very motivated to fit in with his peers and he works very hard at it.
The black and white that you described is BANG ON, by far the hardest thing for him to deal with is to be flexible and understand that the world isn't going to accommodate him. Its a constant struggle but he's getting better at it.
Mostly though I am just fascinated every day at how his mind works, his focus to tasks and especially his memory amaze me every day! A quick story- this spring we started reading "The Hobbit" together, a few chapters a night. After a few nights he got a new book and we put The Hobbit aside and I forgot about it. A couple of MONTHS later I came across it and told him we should finish it but by then I had no idea where we had left off and I suggested to him that we should just start it over from the beginning again. He looks at me and blurts out a page number and recites a sentence, I open the book to the page and there's the sentence, WORD FOR WORD! After two months he had remembered the page and the exact sentence that we left off.
Anyway, I'm totally rambling now. Back to the topic- Yes, I agree with you, I think that Kate probably does have some form of mild ASD. The scene with the ice-cream, where she's screaming that the kids are ruined, and the scene on the plane when she has that major melt down because of the delay (just to name a few) has ASD written all over it. Also her extreme social awkwardness and rigidities (notes all over her house).
(sorry for the ramble) :)
Dr. Phil had a show this week with two adults suffering from OCD -- extreme conditions. It was stark to feel/see what life was like from the point of view of the young woman and the young man.
A Dr. specialist did a brain scan on the guy. The colors and hot spots in his brain were dramatically different than "normal" brain activity.
They live a pain-filled life.
Actually, She Is -- I read your post 3 times. Thank you. I will understand some people in my life better now.
If everyone had to sign CAs how did this person get away with talking to NE?
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Well first of all it was an unnamed staffer, so TLC would have no real way of knowing who it was. Second of all you can't contract away the right to speak out about child abuse and they know it. They can try to scare people into THINKING they cannot report such a thing, but if ever pressed to uphold it in court it never would fly. Maybe this staffer had a lawyer friend or something who knew they were free to disclose it without fear. And no way would National Enquirer ever give up their source.
For several years now I have been encouraging people on this blog and others, Rep.Murt.etc., to actually read the PA child abuse laws.
While Kate's horrendous behaviour is shocking and definitely child abuse, according to the laws at the time in PA. it WASN'T.A child needed to be near death for a parent to be charged.
I understand those laws are being reviewed now.Too little too late. Please read the legislation if you haven't already, you can google it, and you will see why no substantive action was taken.This doesn't seem to apply to sexual abuse, just physical abuse and neglect.
Her legal right to spank them aside, how bad did it get? It really makes you wonder how many people reported Kate's behavior to CPS and how many times she put on her nice face and talked her way out of it. We'll never know.
And another thing I'll throw out there is - I wonder if the CPS workers were somewhat intimidated by the celebrity aspect. Certainly they're trained to look past that but do they?
Look at the Sandusky's victims and how they were let down by professionals.
I was just reading an update on the case of the PA Deputy Attorney General, who along with his wife, is accused of physically abusing their 2 adopted children. I didn't know that they also have 2 biological children, ages 4 and 2.
According to the article:
"Pending trial, the couple wanted visitation rights and were granted part of what they wanted.
They can have visits with their biological children, aged four and two, who were not identified as abused, but not the adopted children. The visits with the biological kids have this restriction: the 4-year-old biological child’s visits will be monitored since she could be a witness in the abuse case.
“These are very young kids,” Zappala said. “So the ability to influence them is rather substantial and we want try to avoid that if we can.”
So the visitation will be monitored because the child could be a witness, and not because the child may become the next victim of their abuse? Does this make any sense to anyone? I'm glad the visits will be monitored, but just because these children did not show signs of abuse, does not mean that they will not be abused in the future, especially since the previous victims have been removed from the parents.
IDModo, the child had to be near death to be considered abuse???? A useless law like that is like doing nothing at all! Why wait till the child is near death or dead? How about stopping it before it gets that far? Unbelievable.
It's about time those laws get reviewed.
Forgot to add the link to the article:
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2012/10/16/couple-accused-in-abuse-case-allowed-to-visit-biological-children/
Ha ha ha! Hee Hee Hee! Bahahahahahaha!
Kate Gosselin: NUDE show host!!!
Wonder if THAT will finally clue her in as to how finished she actually is??
Ha ha ha ha!
It's about time those laws get reviewed.
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They are, even as we speak. The bill will be presented to the governor next month and if approved, will be put into law in 2013. Task forces have been working on this since the Sandusky scandal broke.
Kate is probably at home. Her PR team has told her to lay low until this blows over! She is never going to give up! The money and the fame came to easy, and the media , even now is still giving her an easy time!
Do you really believe that she is depressed, I'm thinking more like really, really angry! People like her don't get angry at themselves for what they did they get angry at the person who exposed them!!
Don't worry Kate is at home MASTERMINDING how she is going to survive this, never mind her kids, and get herself back on TV and how she is going to push the wheelbarrow full of money to the bank!
The laziest person in the country is no way going to raise those kids without her nannies!!!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
“She dragged one of the boys into the bathroom and spanked him five or six times with a large plastic spoon,” the staffer said. “You could hear Kate forcefully whacking the child and the child screaming at the top of his lungs. People told me it happened more than once, but it was off-camera because Kate didn’t want it in the show.”
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It's gotten to the point where I can't read these accounts without feeling physically ill, so if Robert has any more mentions of child abuse in his book, I'm just going to have to pass over them. I didn't even read the accounts of animal abuse because I didn't want to know about it.
Then she has the balls to present herself to the world as a super mom who wanted nothing more than to be a parent. How many times did we hear her, in interviews, say "Everything I do, I do for my kids." She's a very sick person. She may have fooled the world, but there were many who watched the episodes who knew that something was just not right in that home. We said over and over again that if the rough handling of these kids were shown on television, what in the world went on behind closed doors.
Some interesting cross-overs here related to Gosselin stories:
1. The story just mentioned about the Barbours and their abuse of their 2 adopted children. Apparently....these 2 adopted children were from Ethiopia and there are some similarities to the stuff Preesi had on her blog related to Kate's sister raising money to adopt Ethiopian orphans. Apparently, this Barbour and his wife also adopted these Ethiopian orphans through some religious venue and there was similar fundraising going on (sounds eerily similar to what preesi had on her blog about Kate's sister).
http://www.reformtalk.net/2012/10/06/how-could-you-hall-of-shame-prosecutor-douglas-barbour-and-kristen-barbour/
2. Apparently, Jacqueline Laurita's husband Chris (from RHWNJ) is being sued (via his business) by the Susan G. Komen foundation for not paying them the $18,000 he owes them from clothing he sold that had those pink SGK tags on them, promising that a portion of the proceeds would go to the charity.
From TMZ:
When God closes a door, he opens a window and in Kate Gosselin's case ... that window is a job offer that would involve her hosting her own show in the nude!!!
Gosselin was axed this week from her gig as a blogger for the website CouponCabin.com after the CEO said she was no longer "a good fit" for the company.
But the mother of eight might not be out of work long because everyone's favorite porn company, Vivid Entertainment, wants her to serve as a Naked Host for their new cable division, VividTV.
In an offer letter to Gosselin obtained by TMZ, Vivid honcho Steven Hirsch says the gig (which wouldn't be all-nude all the time) would allow her to have a flexible schedule so she could spend plenty of time with her brood.
Gosselin is at the top of Vivid's list, with Hirsch saying, "We have binders of women who would love the job, but you're definitely our first choice."
LOL, a comment seas whoever compiled the list should be fired!
TMZ has a link to the letter that was sent to Kate. It was sent not to Kate directly, but to her lawyers. How embarrassing for Kate. I wonder if they even forwarded it to her.
I know Vivid offers the same thing to other celebrities, but it just makes Kate look more and more like a laughingstock.
PMK...ah ha! It is you that is responsible for my swollen eyes today! Seriously though, I want to thank you for directing me there. Powerful stuff. From Ty s site, I found my way to beautiful Ronan last night ( he looks soo much like my 3 year old grandson, it's scary! ), moms blog, YouTube videos and then....the song Ronan. Taylor Swift did an amazing thing with that. You could see how hard it was for her to keep it together when she sang it last month. I think it's one of the most beautiful songs I've ever heard.
These 2 little boys are now in my heart forever. I have never has a reaction as strong as that about people i don't know...ever.
Mud puddles, rainbow slides and candies to the moon and back, forever!
I remember being welcomed here by Dwindle and Lovemygrandsons. It meant a great deal to me that they did.
I don't know that every post needs acknowledgment, but if everyone scooped up a couple for a response, it'd go a long way toward making all contributors feel welcome. And further, even if we don't always agree with one another, we can validate the fact that they've spoken up on a given issue. Yes, the conversation moves rapidly, but it doesn't take but a few extra seconds to mention someone else's post (copy/paste, for instance) and to acknowledge their point of view. I'm going to make an extra effort to do just that...
It's like Maya Angelou says, "We are more alike than we are unalike." And the bottom-line truth is that everyone wants to be seen, and everyone likes knowing they've being heard.
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Your story, insights and the control you have taken in your own life to manage the difficulties of living with HFA are exceptional. The idea of Kate having HFA has been brought up before, and I will respectfully say again that I disagree. There are several traits that you mentioned that are common to a number of disorders. I am not a professional, but have 20 years direct experience with children on the spectrum, a son dx w/ HFA, and my own cluster of dx's that resemble the core features of HFA. So, though I strongly disagree, it is still just an opinion.
I found this website which gives an overview of personality disorders. The first 6 or 7 disorders include things like: cdifficulty forming friendships, cold toward others, seem like they do not fit in, lie, cheat, use and manipulate others for their own gain, irritable, get into fights, attack others, engage in dangerous behavior, abruptly end relationships if the other person lets them down, needing to be center of attention, dress and act in exaggerated way, exaggerate talents and accomplishments, imagine them selves to be wealthy, powerful, need people to admire them and treat them as special, do not care about needs of feelings of other people, take advantage of others with no remorse for their own gain... None of disorders comprised of those characteristics are HFA, and most are behaviors we've seen in spades watching KG.
I have not experienced anyone yet, with HFA, who could mastermind, plot and lie the way KG does. If anything, being "too honest" is the issue. KG seems to know exactly when to pay attention to people for her own benefit and then blow them off the minute they can offer no more. My son will "end a friendship" in words when he is beyond his limits in frustration, but it is intense and temporary. It has such a different quality to it than what KG does. He is himself always, not pretending with awareness to be something he isn't in order to benefit from it and then pretending the opposite when that suits him. That is one of the main differences I think between those with HFA and other things. She puts on whatever persona works for her, tells any tale that she thinks will help get something from someone.
Again, I really appreciated your post, but just don't see the same thing.
Now this is sad, but not unexpected ~~~
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@Kateplusmy8 Well Kate...this is the day! At 4pm EST I will attempt 2walk a 5k! Sure was hopin U'd be here 2cheer me on!
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Poor Milo, Kate only receives, never gives, doncha know!! Well, good luck on your 5k!
butterfly--I saw that tweet, and kind of feel bad for Milo, especially after all the support Milo has shown Kate when Kate did her races. I also find it sad that none of the other Kate supporters don't seem to have wished Milo good luck.
But I'm sure it still won't deter Milo from being Kate's #1 defender.
Another great photoshop titled: "What Can We Find Inside Kate's Dumpster..Let's See":
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kEH_IA-NVh0/UILyqlAqESI/AAAAAAAACBw/bPyh4Mghoaw/s1600/trashkatepic.jpg
Well, I think Kate is doing a number of things: filming something(maybe dating show, some kind of trend scene show, or that was not Kate and someone who looks like her, her look is after all a dime, a dozen) , having surgery(she lost weight, girls went south), taking a mini vacation(cause you know she is the only woman in the world with 8 count them 8 kids, that have nanny/sitter/not hired help, to look after them, Jon does not figure in this. And working that one day a week blog was just too much, not including, the trips to UPS/Fed-ex, spa, nails and going all the way to NYC for hair, and driving those kids to & from the school bus drop/pickup). Whoa is me!
This does prove that Kate cares nothing for her fans, or her kids. Course now Kate can't cry poor anymore, cause, one has to have money to make a pilot. Where did it come from, surely not the little blog she did.
Kate is a twit said... 69
Another great photoshop titled: "What Can We Find Inside Kate's Dumpster..Let's See":
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that pic is hilarious! It hits all the points succinctly - love it. Thx for sharing that jem, Kate is a twit :)
Actually, She Is said... 188
Amazing post. TY for sharing and educating. Bless you.
I see the same cashier at the grocery store nearly every week. She is very pleasant to me and quick, and I usually deliberatly get in her line.
So I have 'met her' likely over 100 times, every week for several years. But I have no way of knowing if she is a 'class act', a 'great mom' or 'healthy'.
Unless this radio announcer went on two, month long spiritual retreats with Kate, she wouldnt have a clue. Some folks have really lame standards.
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Believe me Jackie Hoffman is a dimbulb. Someone who tweets, ask her about some of the comments she has made about Kate ON THE RADIO. Meeting her two times in person is NOT going to show this real supermom of 8. Also if I'm not mistake, Kate was scheduled to be on their program previously and stood them up.
"kateplusmy8
Just finished a long SUPER fun project...so good to be home but what a great time had by all involved!....A fun bright future lies ahead!"
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I think you are an amazing and loving mom. Thanks for sharing that about your precious son.
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"kateplusmy8
Just finished a long SUPER fun project...so good to be home but what a great time had by all involved!....A fun bright future lies ahead!"
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Does this mean she's back?
Boy there's been a lot going on here over the past few days. I've been reading, but I just don't have much to say I guess. I've only been able to keep up with comments because I caught a nasty cold, so I'm not up for much else. Ugh!
NEW POST http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/
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@Kateplusmy8 I'm sure the project was helping people. Whatever it was we support you and your 8! Keep doing great projects Kate!
The new gosselin book post is pretty funny. She really is built like a boy, isn't she?
Thanks cherier1. Wow - that picture is not good. (cringe)
Heide said... 79
The new gosselin book post is pretty funny. She really is built like a boy, isn't she?
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There's nothing wrong with the way Kate is built, but there is plenty wrong with turning herself into a human Barbie doll on her children's earnings, and trying to make herself look like an imaginary cultural ideal which is as different from her children as possible.
Heide said... 79
The new gosselin book post is pretty funny. She really is built like a boy, isn't she?
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Yeah, her figure, in that picture, isn't too feminine- no waist and flat butt, but her skin tone looks much healthier than it does now. She's lost a lot of weight since then. I hope she's at least taking supplements for her health.
Honestly, I think Kate's body is amazing after 2 multiple births! Yes, I know she had help - I would do the same w/the tummy tuck if I needed it. She also has plenty of time to work out - something nearly every single parent I know has to squeeze in whenever they can find the time, if they can find the time. Still, I give her props for that. The boobage? Not so much.
I don't like to criticize Kate for physical attributes. We as women get more than enough of that in the media and society. Still, and perversely, I enjoy the fact that some real images are out there unlike the photo-shopped ones of Kate People magazine put out. I admit to that hypocrisy. Sue me, trolls.
Cherier,
Agreed about women and criticism and media.
While I dont think Kate's figure is feminine in that picture on RH's page, I do think she looks 1000x better in that picture- she was real then, she looked healthier. Now she looks fake, unhealthy and beat down. Her skin doesn't have that glow to it. Her hair, too. I believe it's form her weight loss - the lack of vital nutrients. Anyway, real and not 'ideal' is better than fake anyday in my book.
PS- I am not opposed to having work done, either- but it should enhance one's beauty, not morph it!
I was just remembering a comment Kate made stating that people don't have to be biological family, that the kids can be just as close to Nana Janet or the other elderly woman they used to see(forgot her name). I realize one of them (I think Nana Janet passed away), but they weren't seeing these women anymore even before her death.
Kate, with biological grandparents, the relationship usually goes on for they grandparents entire lives and doesn't end just because you get pissed at them and Kate, when they are biological grandparents, they bond is much stronger than with just people you meet or friends. DUH!! I'm sure the kids see that their friends have grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. and they don't.
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"kateplusmy8
Just finished a long SUPER fun project...so good to be home but what a great time had by all involved!....A fun bright future lies ahead!"
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If this was Kate I don't believe a word she says and I hope CC finds a way to take her to court.
From Examiner.com:
"Kate Gosselin has been offered a role as a nude television host for Vivid Entertainment, TMZ reported on Saturday, Oct. 20.
The offer came after Kate Gosselin had been fired as a coupon blogger at Coupon Cabin. TMZ obtained a copy of the letter sent to Kate by Vivid Entertainment."
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Here's my question:
How did TMZ get a copy of that letter? That is now splashed all over the internet? And so fast?
Did Vivid honcho Steven Hirsch send it to TMZ? Like, "Hey guys, look at this letter we just sent to Kate Gosselin!" ?
Or did Kate (or her support staff) send TMZ the copy after she received it?
Would it be protocol for a company that sends a letter of a job offer to a potential employee to also send a copy of it to TMZ? In the celebrity world?
According to the info, it was sent AFTER she was fired from CC...so a pretty recent event.
I'm not accusing Kate or her staff of anything...it just struck me as odd....how the heck did TMZ get a copy of this letter?
Whenever a job offer is made to a celebrity, does the company making the offer make sure it gets spread all around the internet? Before the person even responds to the offer? Is this pretty common in the celebrity world?
Koopdodoo #116, Kateissociopath #104, thanks for your comments. Shame on them for giving Shoka back to Kate.
PityParty #122 Great post, totally agree
Dwindle #155 Maybe Leah had patches of hair loss because it was pulled out when she was whipped around by her hair. Couldn't imagine keeping babies alone for so long without any stimulation. Kate's evil.
Actually, She is said That is one of the best explanations of autism I've heard. You're a very strong and smart person.
Wonder when/if we'll ever know what Kate has been doing all these days. I hope not, no news is good news, unless she spent some time in jail or a courtroom.
Might we being seeing Kate in her baby doll dresses or a new bikini on the cover of trashy 'People' again soon? After all, 'People' has morphed into nothing but a PR spin/tabloid rag from what it used to be. What's her name, Kate Coyne up Katie Irene's rear?
Look at NBC and the Today show. Who can stand to watch their garbage anymore?
RE - the autism spectrum. Raising a GS who is diagnosed with Asperger, my experience is that these kids when they are home in their comfort zone they are at their best, when no one is looking. My GS is very intelligent; we can talk about anything, yet he does poorly in school. He is such a joy to me, gentle and kind yet I get called to pick him up from school and he will be in a small room alone with 20 teaches milling about outside the door, all but applauding my arrival. When he is out in public his whole demeanor changes and he is ill perceived at times and it has always been my wish that others could see him as the fun, relaxed, creative, caring person that I see. We have been very fortunate to have some supportive people come into our lives. I signed him up for case management as that means the counselor comes to our home and she is able to see him in his comfort zone and she is a great advocate for him as a result.
I personally don't think KT fits in that spectrum at all as from my experience they are very real unable to filter their feelings and/or actions and thereby not manipulative and do not plan to be this way or that. They are at their best when they are home and as we now know that is when KT is at her worst, when no one is looking. They also do not understand that consequences occur as a result of an action. For instance talking about birthdays weeks ahead will result in gifts from afar, or that talking about a certain need or want will result in that coming to pass. I have always been of the contention that there is nothing wrong with KT, she just doesn't care and that is the way she will always be as a leopard cannot change its spots.
Pity Party~
I think Kate is a narcissistic abuser. Someone had posted a link years ago to information on this from a psychiatric website and I'd bookmarked it but lost it when my old computer crashed. I wish I still had it. It listed about 15 features and I think Kate hits all 15 of them. The information was mainly referring to a narcissistic abuser of other adults...not children....but it wasn't excluding children....it was just specifically geared for adult behavior with other adults.
It might as well have been written specifically FOR Kate.
This was back before I even knew about Kate. I'd bookmarked it for a family member whose spouse, I thought, met about 10 of the listed features....but remembering back, it described Kate better than anything else I've read in terms of psychiatric information.
Listen...could Kate have been diagnosed as bi-polar years ago? Sure. But I've known quite a few who have also been diagnosed bi-polar and I have my doubts.
It can be extremely difficult to find a really good psychiatrist (or psychologist) and whether the one she went to was good or not, I'm sure he/she wanted to help her.....and there simply is no medication for narcissism.....whereas there IS for bi-polar disorder. There really isn't a whole lot (to date) that any psych professional can do for NPD or for a narcissistic abuser. Many SO's/spouses will stay in relationships with narcissistic abusers hoping they'll change.....but they never do. They only get worse and more abusive. The general recommendation is to just get the hell out of the relationship.....but of course, the poor G. children can't really do that.....and can only escape to their father's during the designated times.
Those poor, poor kids. Those involved with narcissistic abusers feel responsible for the abuse they get (look what you made me do to you).
She's classic. I'll go and see if I can find the info again.
I have a nephew with an autism/Asperger's diagnosis....he's now in his 20's...and because of him, I did tons of research on this and had no idea autism was so complex. The entire subject of autism fascinates me.
This young man...I just love him but then I didn't have to raise him 24/7...to be fair....but he still wears shoes with velcro straps but has almost a genius streak....stays up for hours every night researching the internet and teaching himself about everything under the sun.
Your son sounds like a lovely and loving child.
I, for one, believe Kate "missed the bus" on a dating show. She is late to that party. Kate is receiving some bad advise and I believe she will spend every dime she has trying to be rich. She just doesn't know she doesn't know. You cannot tell her anything. Not a good trait to have. The fame and money came too easily to the Gosselins. There was no investment from them. No talent was developed. Kate's over-inflated ego could be her downfall and could eventually bankrupt her financially. She appears to already be emotionally bankrupt. Not pretty at all.
But lets hope that Jon's influence will curb that. Hopefully, now that Jon has his own life away from their mother and has 50% of time with them, that will be what it takes to prevent that from happening.
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Let me get this straight. You really think that Jon is a good influence on the kids?
Someone who would hack into his wife's computer and give the very person whose wife had always hated his family those files?
The person who, if you believe the GosselinBook, knew about the child abuse but did nothing to save his kids? But who told the world that Kate was a great mother?
The person, who instead of reporting his abusive wife to authorities who could help his children, chose to leave those children in an abusive situation?
The person who has lived off of every single woman he has been in a relationship with since the divorce? Who has taken their money and used them as helpers with his kids?
The person who is content to not support his children financially?
This is the person whom you think is a good influence on the kids??
And lastly, why do you all here continue to believe that Jon has 50/50 custody without any proof? Why would you believe RH wthout any proof?
LBelle said... 101
After I finished reading the book I spent some time on YouTube, watching a bunch of those 'worst moments from season whichever' of J&K+8. They are even more disturbing than before, with all this proven info about what was REALLY taking place in that house.
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I think it's disturbing that people think that RH's book has proven anything. I've been a juror 5 times and nothing that he has said would be classified as "beyond a reasonable doubt".
He said he has proof but has never shown it.
He says he has contacted CPS but there is no proof of that.
He said he passed a lie detector test but failed to say from whom.
Lots of unanswered questions and no proof, really.
I was casually reading a discussion on this board about the Gospel of Prosperity in regards to Kate. I don't know how it ended but I found it quite thought provoking. I don't know if I prescribe to it as a formal belief (that God will make us rich). I'd say my belief is that if we know that if we are a child of God, we know that we are already rich. In relation to Kate praying for "stuff" and thanking God for "stuff" it made me recall that it is said that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. I don't fault Kate for asking for provision for her children and even for herself. But Kate sinned when she didn't count the massive provision that she had already received as ENOUGH. She asked, she received, and she asked some more as if she had not received. And many will argue that wealth can be measured in many ways that is unrelated to money. Kate was able to give birth to 8 beautiful children - all of them healthy, none of them special needs - and if that is not a true gift, I don't know what is. Yet her story is so so sad. In her quest for money and fame, when all is said and done she will end up with nothing. She's lost her husband already. She has no friends, no supportive family, no career to speak of and I can already begin to name the children who will leave their mother when they can. She really did have an enviable life at one point but the only one who didn't recognize that was her. To finish with the religious theme - sometimes the means God chooses to punish us with is to give us what we want. Here's looking at you Kate.
Sorry to double post. In regard to people who need anger management and are easily annoyed, I feel for Kate because I am one of those people. It really isn't something that you are doing on purpose or in the interest of malevolence. You honestly ARE supersensitive and the best that you can hope for is that you can learn to not voice your complaint, but you do FEEL your complaint. I understand her wanting to put the children in a place to be "safe" from her. I applaud her for that because it shows some level of self-awareness - she knows that she is running hot and doesn't trust herself at that state (and yes, probably doesn't like herself in that state). I get this because I live this. I am this way with my dog and I struggle to improve (and I AM improving). And Kate, having been abused, most likely thinks she is doing good if she doesn't go to the level that she had growing up. She probably doesn't THINK she's abusive because she spanks rather than beats, and she yells and separates rather than punches, and she doesn't touch her children sexually. She probably considers herself successful as a parent, having far more severe abuse as her standard bearer. Understand this as well - that anger that needs managing does not mean that you don't love. As sick and twisted and misguided as Kate is, I do believe she loves her children but she truly is sick. So what is her recourse - leave her kids? She won't do that. I wouldn't do that. Kate has many flaws and sins but I do offer up a plate of fault to the many adults who watched this transpire and didn't act. Kate is tough, but for the kids, another adult should be tougher. Kate can be made to understand but nobody feels like putting in the work it would take to make that happen. Honestly, the only one I think who could have the power to do this is Jon. I think she does still love him and she DOES back down when he asserts himself. And HE is the father of all 8 kids and the only one who could bring about true consequences with and for the kids. I doubt he'll do this though, and without outside help, this will continue ad infinitum.
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Dwindle said... 30
I see the same cashier at the grocery store nearly every week. She is very pleasant to me and quick, and I usually deliberatly get in her line.
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lol Dwindle. I have the opposite cashier at the grocery store. I avoid her like the plague because she's a BITCH. She looks and acts like Kate - about ten notches above us mediocre shoppers. I want to reach over, grab her by the throat and throttle her. She lectured me one time for not having my Safeway club card with me. WTF? So I asked her if it was too much trouble to type in my phone number and we've been exchanging nasty glances ever since...about five years. I'll circle the store ten times with my cart until another check out opens up.
Girl, you get in that line, give her your best eat sh&% and die smile, make her ask for your card and 'kill her with kindness'. Works every time. Wonder if she sees you and secretly prays that you don't get in her line. Now, go buy some red meat in a leaky package for her to handle.
Admin,
Wouldn't the LEGAL requirement to report child abuse trump the non-disclosure agreements?
Also, even though I am in Texas, I did contact the PA Child Protective Services back in 2009 or so, when some of the obvious signs of abuse (to my eye) were apparent. Then when the tabloid showed one of the girls getting spanked (or whipping as I saw it) I also called. I have no idea what occurred or did not occur in either case although I did give my name and address - in Texas, a reporter who identifies themselves is sent a letter regarding the outcome of the investigation - nothing was sent to me from PA CPS.
Makes you wonder that since the reporting system is ANONYMOUS that someone inside did not report her. Especially the crew that came in after Jon left.
Those who did not report child abuse are equally responsible for what happened to those children.
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Additionally as a child survivor of a mother who was both Bi-Polar and Narcissistic... those kids need therapy to stop the cycle of child abuse. Now. Paid for by TLC and the state of PA for not intervening.
I am new to this whole blog thing, i will tell you that. I live in Akron, Ohio, and I usually check the news daily. On fox8.com there was an article about RH's book and the allegations of her child abuse. A few years back, i'd watch her show, J&K+8, with my mom. This baffled me (if that's the right word for it, anyways). I looked into it, and stumbled upon RH blogspot for the book and read threw all of them (the blogs that is) & i must say i was INTRIGUED. the credibility of this guys book, amazed me. everything about it, the fact that someone would actually take a stand and not car about the consequences of it (legal actions and what not), the fact shes a 'star' & just threw away hard drives, TLC covered her abusing the kids, just pretty much the whole story. I have not read the book, as I started looking into this about a week after the book was pulled :(,& i haven't personally met kate gosselin either. I have not come to this blog to tell stories of her or anything of that matter, just to get a little insight of the bbok, and former info about her- when i watched her show i just watched it to watch it, i never followed her in the gossip or anything like that.
so when i setarted reading on it, i got suuuuper interested, and i just feel like im left hanging, you know? caause i've looked all over for even just excerpts- which is how i found this blog, (thanks by the way!) when i came accross this, i read alot of your comments and opinions, and may i say; that blog about this, (if blogging IS what you call it) have got me even more interested. everyones tired of hearing me tell them random stuff about Kate Gosselin LOL so i figured hey why not tell them how much i like this blog more than any other thing i've found searching. i CANNOT wait to read this book if and when it gets re-released. :))
my point to that comment ^ was i hope you guys dont mind if i join the discussion even though i have yet to read the book
danielled - HI! Nice to see another N.E. Ohioan here... I'm in North Canton. Like you, I can't wait to read this book. I wish I could get a hold of a copy somehow. The excepts have been fascinating and validation that the dislike I felt towards K8 all these years has been validated. Those poor kids.... :(
North canton hello! & nice your only about 20, 25 minutes away from me :) as we speak i am talkin to someone on twitter who has the book - the original 1st copy & is willing to share with me, we just have to figure out how to do that! (so if anyone here knows how to do that, please let me know) Lol but yeah, the excerpts and summaries here have made me want the book even more! Lol cannot wait to get my hands on it! Hope to keep in touch :)
Pretty please finish the book update!
ljohnson2006
@Kateplusmy8 keep being the great mom you are! Don't let the negativity get to you. Supporters of you and your 8 outweigh the haters 100x's
Apparently this one doesn't do much reading on the internet, or watch television shows, or read magazines or tabloids!
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Or even listen to Kate! She herself admitted that 90% of people don't like her. Not that that gave her pause.
The short answer is it DEPENDS.
Depends on what you are saying, who you are saying it about public or private. For instance saying allegedly you murdered that person without a grain of proof is a problem. But if they found your jacket and knife at the scene, saying allegedly is probably enough to cover you. Be Careful is right, better just to not say it.
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