We're hearing Katie Couric actually asked some tough questions, about the book Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World, Kate's hired help, and going back to nursing.Check local listings.
Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Discussion thread: Kate on 'Katie'
We're hearing Katie Couric actually asked some tough questions, about the book Kate Gosselin: How She Fooled the World, Kate's hired help, and going back to nursing.Check local listings.
1177 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1177 Newer› Newest»The original comment was that Preesi had tracked down the doctor in question. If the doctor or someone in that doctor's office revealed any patient information, that is a HIPAA violation, regardless of what Kate chose to reveal about herself.
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So what new, BLOCKBUSTER information has Preesi revealed that she got directly from the dr's office and posted on her website that would call HIPPA into play?
All I can see from the post is that she identified whom she thinks the dr is. And I would guess that from Kate's description and the local dr pool, that would not be hard to figure out.
As far as the rest of the posting, anyone with internet access and a brain could figure out the science behind the fertility.
Do tell what ADDITIONAL info Preesi found directly from the source.
Stop shit stirring, you've become tedious.
heather
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Do you get paid by the hour or by the post? Just curious if you still send invoices to Discovery.
heather
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 198
Huh? Where did anyone go to her doctors for a bombshell interview? I think she just means she found them online, she is a star sleuth like that. I doubt she talked to them about all this or that they would say anything.
You said IF. You're talking about things that didnt even happen. LOL.
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What part of "Preesi has tracked down the doctor" and "if this could be proven it would be a blockbuster" is unclear to you? Read the damn comments to which I responded. I responded to an "IF" scenario, so if you have an issue with discussing things that "might" happen, start with that comment. The only way any of this can be "proven" is to obtain confidential medical information, which is a violation of HIPAA. Laugh all you want, but what I am stating is fact.
Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act is HIPAA.. admin is correct. If Ms Jones has diabetes, and tells her best friend who then tells her hairdresser who then tells all her customers, one of whom is Ms Jones coworker, who then tells everyone at work - no health care provider involved, no violation of confidentiality under HIPAA. If Ms Jones doctor or anyone from that staff tells their hairdresser, well that is a HIPAA violation.
RH is a dumpster diver, no medical records were improperly discarded. If he found a vial of insulin in the trash with Ms Kreider name on it, he could surmise Ms Kreider has diabetes, but she threw out the vial so no violation of confidentiality.
Legal question?
Theoretically, if a person sues a book author & ends up in court to prove she did not inject herself with some type of fertility enhancing drug, can the fertility doctor be issued a supoena to appear, and testify to any and all medical procedures and results while she was his patient?
Do we not have Menu Mondays? I'm worried about the sheeple starving if they don't have Kate's fabulous recipes to prepare! When was the last Monday dish?
"It may not seem fair, but they will assess you based on what income they THINK you should be earning."
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Absolutely. It's been pointed out here on this blog before that's exactly what happened in the case of the former New Jersey governor. The judge found that he was capable of earning much more than he was from his current job, and child support was accessed accordingly.
Where was it stated that Preesi contacted Kate's doctor? Link?
Wonder how many kids will come to Mady and Cara's party? I'm sure the parents have caught wind of the book. While it's unfair for the twins, I would not let my child go to the G abode.
Or maybe they'll opt for a family party like she claimed when they turned 7- oh, that was Taliah Carson they wanted to sleep over. Maybe the party will be at a venue unless a mob scene is predicted. Or a sleepover with their BFF KATE as is 'typical.'.
TLC stinks said... 120
And it is obviously she is trying to revamp her image, because of THE BOOK. I am thinking that the attorneys will prolong the dispute until they have bankrupted Robert, but eventually the material will come out and this is why Kate was on KC's show to reveal a more mature, softer Kate.
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Not only mature, but wise. I went back and listened to part of the interview. She's really pulled her thoughts together hasn't she?
Kate: "I've gone through a lot. Sooo, sorry (sniff, snot, sniffle) so, ummm, so when you, you've gone through a lot, so when you go through a lot you realize what's important."
Gone through a lot of what? Shoes? Friends? Babysitters? She never got around to saying what's really important but I think it's safe to say for her it's the money.
And another one:
"I think everybody as you grow you mature and my heart was always in the right place. I was just more focused on my gosh your outfit you've got something on your shirt you know? And now it's just like really? That's what washing machines are for."
Wow that's deep. Move over Ivan Pavlov. Kate Gosselin has discovered that a person matures when they understand stain removal. Who'd have thought anyone could glean such insight from a dirty shirt.
She was trying so hard to do damage control without being able to talk about the book. She just ended up rambling and saying NOTHING. How She Fooled the World is screwing with her head big time. hahaha.
Formerly duped...163 Kate did get lasik surgery. It was in a tweet she sent saying she had glasses, then contacts and the lasik surgery in '09.
RH is a dumpster diver, no medical records were improperly discarded. If he found a vial of insulin in the trash with Ms Kreider name on it, he could surmise Ms Kreider has diabetes, but she threw out the vial so no violation of confidentiality.
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True, unless the action took place in a state where garbage was ruled to be private property.
While it's unfair for the twins, I would not let my child go to the G abode.
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Why not? Not being snarky here, but why wouldn't your child be allowed to go there?
The judge found that he was capable of earning much more than he was from his current job, and child support was accessed accordingly.
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Not accessed...assessed. I've been reading too much of Kate's journals and have the malaprop thing going on!!
I just rewatched Kate's interview with Katie. She is talking about how SHE's been through a lot, and then tells Katie "you've been through a lot too. Katie's husband died of cancer--yet Kate compares what she has been through to what Katie has been through.
I find Kate's comparison of herself to Katie totally repugnant.
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TLC stinks said... 120
And it is obviously she is trying to revamp her image, because of THE BOOK. I am thinking that the attorneys will prolong the dispute until they have bankrupted Robert, but eventually the material will come out and this is why Kate was on KC's show to reveal a more mature, softer Kate.
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Not only mature, but wise. I went back and listened to part of the interview. She's really pulled her thoughts together hasn't she?
Kate: "I've gone through a lot. Sooo, sorry (sniff, snot, sniffle) so, ummm, so when you, you've gone through a lot, so when you go through a lot you realize what's important."
Gone through a lot of what? Shoes? Friends? Babysitters? She never got around to saying what's really important but I think it's safe to say for her it's the money.
And another one:
"I think everybody as you grow you mature and my heart was always in the right place. I was just more focused on my gosh your outfit you've got something on your shirt you know? And now it's just like really? That's what washing machines are for."
Wow that's deep. Move over Ivan Pavlov. Kate Gosselin has discovered that a person matures when they understand stain removal. Who'd have thought anyone could glean such insight from a dirty shirt.
She was trying so hard to do damage control without being able to talk about the book. She just ended up rambling and saying NOTHING. How She Fooled the World is screwing with her head big time. hahaha.
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Auntie, thank you for sharing such profound quotes from Queenie Katie. I wont bother you further, Auntie, as I am sure you are in deep meditation over the life lessons you are learning about stain removal and how to use a washing machine. When you put this life-karma into action, could you report back to us? Does one actually put Thee Clothing (as Kate calls it) INTO said washing machine? How zen is it? Do you yoga before or after The Masterminding?
Later, later, dear. When you have your kismet honed.
I find Kate's comparison of herself to Katie totally repugnant.
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Ugh totally agree. Katie's youngest was TWO when her father died an awful death. TWO. She will never know him.
I wonder if Katie's kids ask her about dating all the time.
Kate has used CC to promote her own agenda==now it seems CC is using Kate to promote theirs.
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Yes! The tail has been wagging the dog, hasn't it?
Why the heck CC ever indulged Kate's imbroglio with Tony (go Tony this season!) and her using CC as a platform for petty back and forth, I'll never understand.
Wonder how many kids will come to Mady and Cara's party? I'm sure the parents have caught wind of the book. While it's unfair for the twins, I would not let my child go to the G abode.
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I think there is nothing wrong with not wanting to send your kids over to a known child abuser's house. It's just common sense.
I think though I would let them on the condition I go too and be there the whole time, and on the condition we are never out in view of the paparazzi. My understand is there are large portions of the house and yard that no paps can see.
What part of "Preesi has tracked down the doctor" and "if this could be proven it would be a blockbuster" is unclear to you?
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Sounds pretty clear to me. She found the doctor because she's a good sleuth. Who knows, she may try to ask questions, but I'm sure he wouldn't talk to anyone. It's not a violation to ASK a question, it's a violation to ANSWER it.
You're making up unlikely scenarios in your head before they even happen and talking about unlikely "what ifs". I don't get the point. If and when HIPAA is ever violated, which I doubt it would be, Kate and her two legal teams can handle it. You needn't worry yourself. Kate's fans are always trying to protect her, it's weird. She is a big girl and can take care of herself.
It's being reported on other blogs and Twitter that TLC is suing over copyright issues. I thought that Discovery simple sent that lame c&d letter. Has a suit been filed, or is this just another one of those rumors?
There was only one person who questioned her bag. It's not representative of the group. We all have our moments.
Aww GrasshopperDwindle... First learn how to soak. Then learn how to wash.
Sigh. I will admit with her guidance everything seems much clearer. The world is a brighter, whiter place. (And here I thought it was Mrs. Stewart's Bluing)
I'm so grateful for Kate's profunditiy. You too?
It's interesting to me no interviewer ever says:
You seem like you really haven't moved on from Jon and the divorce at all. Have you considered getting some therapy?
And, it seems like if the kids are asking about your dating every night at the table they have an unhealthy fixation on you and your dating life and haven't moved on either, have you considered getting them some therapy?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 24
It's interesting to me no interviewer ever says:
You seem like you really haven't moved on from Jon and the divorce at all. Have you considered getting some therapy?
And, it seems like if the kids are asking about your dating every night at the table they have an unhealthy fixation on you and your dating life and haven't moved on either, have you considered getting them some therapy?
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OMG. Beautifully put.
I think there is nothing wrong with not wanting to send your kids over to a known child abuser's house. It's just common sense.
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Or with not wanting to sign a CA for Pete's sake!
I don't know how Kate or J+K+*'s people got so many moms to sign a CA so that their kids could attend the tups bday party at the park.
I don't think I would.
Any moms out there ever heard of having to sign a CA or release of any kind so that their kids could attend a party?
and ps... so far, very proud of Jon for staying mum about the RH book etc.
This has been a pretty big sh*tstorm that has brought Jon's name up over and over again, so I'm glad that so far, he hasn't felt the need to "set the record straight".
Kate is a twit said... 15
I just rewatched Kate's interview with Katie. She is talking about how SHE's been through a lot, and then tells Katie "you've been through a lot too. Katie's husband died of cancer--yet Kate compares what she has been through to what Katie has been through.
I find Kate's comparison of herself to Katie totally repugnant.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 17
I find Kate's comparison of herself to Katie totally repugnant.
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Ugh totally agree. Katie's youngest was TWO when her father died an awful death. TWO. She will never know him.
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Yes I've been meaning to post this exact comment. She is comparing being through a lot because SHE filed for divorce to a woman who was widowed young after her husband died a painful tragic death and left her as a truly single mother? I have never ONCE heard Katie complain about having to raise her kids alone after her husband died either.If I were Katie I'd have wanted to slap her. With a wooden spoon.
I'd say if Kate wants to file a lawsuit claiming that someone got unauthorized access to her medical records - she should certainly bring it on. But since I believe Kate tampered with her own fertility treatments to ensure she had a HOM pregnancy, I think even she will realize what a disaster such a lawsuit would be for her. The publicity, the re-focusing of the public's attention on her 2nd pregnancy, the questions and discussion about "did she or didn't she?".
I doubt she really wants to shine a bright spotlight on that time in her life, her alleged infertility, the rush to get fertility treatments much faster than is normally allowed, etc.
I know it must be very painful to be a long time fan of Kate, and have these devastating revelations come out. To have been a staunch, perhaps even rabid defender, only to find you have been punked by the person you defended. But the truth is now out there and the person you avidly followed, emulated, praised and defended is shown to have not been worth your time and effort.
Unless her new purse was grifted, she spent 100-200 of the kids' money on another goody for herself.
and can't afford to take the kids to the movies.
or pay for a vacation.
or buy 3 d glasses.
or do gymnastics.
instead, her kids wear too-big clothing and hand-me-down shoes.
got it.
Kate has no grace or manners of any kind for people. When she was rehearsing for DWTS, Tony came to the property with two other well dressed professionals from the show and Kate only allowed Tony to enter the house through the front door, after removing his shoes first of course. The others had to walk around the house and enter through the basement. Then as time went on, and the hostility grew between Kate & Tony (as Tony quickly began to see Kate for the dictatorial monster she is), she made him come in through the basement as well. This info was in Robert's book.
I highly doubt Mady & Cara will be allowed to have friends in Kate's sterile germ-free environment for a birthday party. What if a child needed to use the bathroom? The beloved camera crew could not even use one of the 5 bathrooms in that house. If there is a party for them, it will be held outside with port-a-potties on site, with No ENTRY signs posted on all of the doors to the house.
Kate is a twit said... 15
I just rewatched Kate's interview with Katie. She is talking about how SHE's been through a lot, and then tells Katie "you've been through a lot too. Katie's husband died of cancer--yet Kate compares what she has been through to what Katie has been through.
I find Kate's comparison of herself to Katie totally repugnant.
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I agree. Which goes to show that in the grand scheme of things, Kate has been pretty fortunate.
Kate's also pretty vapid, & self absorbed, so whatever.
It's Kate world.
I find it interesting that from what I can see of her Twitter feed that none of her fans have responded to her tweets of the past 24 hours. hmm
At what age will she require C and M's friends to sign CAs themselves if they want to come to the party? Even if she has the parents sign them how can she keep cell phone pics, gossip, even soon tweets about it at bay? Tick tock.
I think that Jon was still under contract with TLC at the time of the divorce and the child support came out of his salary.
Assets under Kate's control might well have been hidden.
BTW, her legal name is Katie.
Doesn't sound like Katie Couric is angry with Kate.
https://twitter.com/RealZiggyFlo/status/253619213116260353/photo/1
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 20
Sounds pretty clear to me. She found the doctor because she's a good sleuth. Who knows, she may try to ask questions, but I'm sure he wouldn't talk to anyone. It's not a violation to ASK a question, it's a violation to ANSWER it.
You're making up unlikely scenarios in your head before they even happen and talking about unlikely "what ifs". I don't get the point. If and when HIPAA is ever violated, which I doubt it would be, Kate and her two legal teams can handle it. You needn't worry yourself. Kate's fans are always trying to protect her, it's weird. She is a big girl and can take care of herself.
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Worry myself about this? Hilarious. I initially made a short (1-2 sentence) post in response to *someone else's hypothetical scenario.* You are the one who got all dramatic about Kate getting away with everything because the HIPAA whistleblower law isn't applicable to the patient, but to the provider.
Oh, and I never said it was a violation to "ask" a question. I understand HIPAA and I even know the correct acronym, unlike some of your posters who are calling it HIPPA.
AuntieAnn said.....
"Wow that's deep. Move over Ivan Pavlov. Kate Gosselin has discovered that a person matures when they understand stain removal. Who'd have thought anyone could glean such insight from a dirty shirt. "
AND, Dwindle said....
"Auntie, thank you for sharing such profound quotes from Queenie Katie. I wont bother you further, Auntie, as I am sure you are in deep meditation over the life lessons you are learning about stain removal and how to use a washing machine. When you put this life-karma into action, could you report back to us? Does one actually put Thee Clothing (as Kate calls it) INTO said washing machine? How zen is it? Do you yoga before or after The Masterminding? "
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You ladies are so funny and clever. Bravo. That's one of the big reasons I love coming here.....and it's the only Gosselin site I comment on. I'm still laughing at your "I just want you to know how much you annoy me" comment, Dwindle. :D
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 24
"It's interesting to me no interviewer ever says:
You seem like you really haven't moved on from Jon and the divorce at all. Have you considered getting some therapy?
And, it seems like if the kids are asking about your dating every night at the table they have an unhealthy fixation on you and your dating life and haven't moved on either, have you considered getting them some therapy?"
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EXCELLENT observation and I totally agree.
I wonder, though.....do you think any interviewer could ever get a straight answer from Kate G.? Anything but deflection and sniffling?
Localyocul said... 27
Yes I've been meaning to post this exact comment. She is comparing being through a lot because SHE filed for divorce to a woman who was widowed young after her husband died a painful tragic death and left her as a truly single mother? I have never ONCE heard Katie complain about having to raise her kids alone after her husband died either.If I were Katie I'd have wanted to slap her. With a wooden spoon.
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What do you want to bet she was quickly briefed on Katie Couric's background the night before she went on the show because she didn't know a damn thing about her before she was a guest.
She thought she'd show just how much she's matured, throw it in there as if to say she's a compassionate person who understands other people's pain. I've never heard her do that before and she didn't do a very good job of it. She slipped it in so fast it was almost missed.
This attempt to repair her reputation is going to fail like everything else.
Awww Grasshopper Dwindle -- spit laugh here! Two funny ladies!
Just me said... 35
I hope you DO realize that that isn't Katie's twitter. It is a twitter account to promote the show.
AuntieAnn said... 23
Aww GrasshopperDwindle... First learn how to soak. Then learn how to wash.
Sigh. I will admit with her guidance everything seems much clearer. The world is a brighter, whiter place. (And here I thought it was Mrs. Stewart's Bluing)
I'm so grateful for Kate's profunditiy. You too?
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yes,Master, but first does one not need to learn to touch the soil of Mother Earth?
As always, we are nothing and must continue to learn at Katie's feet.
(I love blueing, I use LaFrance. SP?)
anonymous said...I understand HIPAA and I even know the correct acronym, unlike some of your posters who are calling it HIPPA.
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Big hand for the little lady at being so knowledgeable! Everyone together now...CLAP...and take a shot of Rumspringa!
admin - is there any way you can disable the anonymous option?
"If there is a party for them, it will be held outside with port-a-potties on site, with No ENTRY signs posted on all of the doors to the house."
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There is a bathroom in the apartment. A tea party was held there, kids were allowed there, and I'm sure they were permitted to use the bathroom.
Formerly Duped and Admin,
I totally agree and think many local parents will feel the same. My children would never be allowed to be go to the compound either. Kate's own words prove how mentally unstable she is, and my kids would not be subjected to that. It's terrible for the G-Kids, but my kids emotional well being would come first. Her kids will continue to suffer for her actions.
On a funny note--I found it hilarious that it was so outside Kate's character to be gentle and soft, and even she knew it was a lie, that she broke out in splotchy red marks. When you have ab evil core, your body just can't fake "nice."
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I understand HIPAA and I even know the correct acronym, unlike some of your posters who are calling it HIPPA.
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YIKES! I had to go back and look at my post and darned if I didnt spell it out wrong! MeaCulpa. That sound you hear is my license rattling on the wall.
Whoops...noticed some typeos, Sorry about that, but I REALLY am cleaning and baking because our REAL family is coming over tonight to cheer on my 12 yr. old and his baseball team...which I coach. :) He will have 3 grandparents, an aunt, an uncle and 2 cousins cheering him on, in addition to his dad, little bro and myself. :)
My children would never be allowed to be go to the compound either. Kate's own words prove how mentally unstable she is, and my kids would not be subjected to that. It's terrible for the G-Kids, but my kids emotional well being would come first. Her kids will continue to suffer for her actions.
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I think that's carrying it a bit far. Kate is what she is, which in itself is disgusting, but what kind of emotional damage could she do to a kid at a birthday party? Is she really going to beat one of her kids' friends?
Does everyone know everything there is to know about a friend's parent when their child goes to a birthday party? How do you know that you're not sending your child to the home of a child molester or abuser? Is there a background check made on each child's parents? That's always bothered me, especially when the kids were very young. I've stayed at birthday parties when I have never met the parents and I wasn't sure about how well they were going to be watched, so I volunteered to help out with the party and "chaperone."
With Kate, though, and with everything that's been revealed through the book, I seriously doubt that she's going to emotionally damage any child at a birthday party, especially if Stevie is making sure that she doesn't! She would be on her best behavior.
Kate's marriage ended three years ago-her show ended over 1 year ago-her job with CC started one year ago.
But that is all she talks about. Jon, the old and new show. She's dwelling on the past and keeps repeating the same old, same old. Even talking about dating. She's got nothing new to offer. It's just "lather, rinse, repeat".
In her interview, she offered nothing new--she just talks about her "past".
While it's unfair for the twins, I would not let my child go to the G abode.
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Why not? Not being snarky here, but why wouldn't your child be allowed to go there?
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I wouldn't encourage a friendship and would absolutely not let my child go the the McMansion for one simple reason. Katie Irene has a propensity to sue. If anything happened that would involve a broken bone, chipped tooth or the like, I would expect Katie to sue me.
In a similar vein, and I am projecting here. I think that Jon got additional custody so his children could be involved in sports - soccer specifically. He played on a PIAA state champion team and his brother is a Division 1 coach. It makes sense, although I have no proof, nor the interest to prove it.
There is a greater chance of injury involved in playing sports. I would not have my child participate in any match that would involve the Gosselin children. Again, my fear would be a situation where Katie Irene would sue me. I wouldn't care what the waiver from the sports association said about injury. Who needs that potential drama?
3 cheers to Auntie Ann and all the posters who see us snarking on each other's snark and know that we are only, well, SNARKING! It's been so testy around here lately! We got pursewars, birthday party wars, yogurt wars, HIPAA wars spelled right or wrong...
We have an extra 4 drive-bys taking on 24 different names and personas and the rest of us are just EXHAUSTED from all the revelations of the past 7 days. It feels like we got caught in an old fashioned wringer of child abuse and then we we finally broke free of that we got the wind kicked out of us when the book got pulled.
Well, not ALL OF US of course! By 'us' I mean only MEEEE!!!! I am only speaking for myself of course. sheesh.
pink slime said... 32
I find it interesting that from what I can see of her Twitter feed that none of her fans have responded to her tweets of the past 24 hours. hmm
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Are you reading here?
https://twitter.com/i/#!/search/realtime/kateplusmy8?q=kateplusmy8
Her moronic fans have been tweeting her all day, asking things like "What is egg bread?" and all the other usual dribblings.
And sometimes I carry a big purse and sometimes I carry a little purse and sometimes I carry and even smaller purse.
Thank you anonymous @171 you said exactly what I wanted to say. Anger Issues you are aptly named.
In a similar vein, and I am projecting here. I think that Jon got additional custody so his children could be involved in sports - soccer specifically
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Gosh, I really hope so. A friend of ours has had his son in soccer since 3. He loves it. The guy is also a pitching coach, so his boys will really benefit from his extensive baseball knowledge both as a player and coach.
He loves being involved in sports with his 2 sons.
I have often thought of what the G boys are missing out on from social skills, to sports knowledge to developing motor skills and sportsmanship.
But, I also think about Jon and what he's missing out on if he can't (or wont) be involved in sports with the boys in particular. The girls too, of course, but if he's missing out on being a daddy, coaching his son(s) in a sport he knows and loves, well, that's so terribly sad.
This childhood of theirs will slip by before both of their parents even knows it. I don't think Kate will ever lament what she's missing with her kids, but I think Jon will.
I wouldn't let my kids go because she has proven over and over that her only methods of discipline and dealing w/ stress are hitting, yelling, degrading and humiliating. My kids do not need to see that or be subjected to that personally.
Right or wrong, I am not sure I would let my child go anywhere near Kate for a children's birthday party. Of course I would not want to punish the birthday girls, non of this is their fault. But at some point, adults have to STOP giving that woman a pass on everything simply because we pity the children. You cant beat your children and then have the community be complicit in your propaganda campaign to hold yourself up as mother of the year.
As horrible and painful as it would be for the birthday girls to have mass refusals of their invitations, the adults have a responsibility to hold Kate socially accountable for her actions.
I dont know - it's hard to know exactly what I would do if I were looking in the eyes of my 12 year old who wanted to go to a party.
Tucker...26: Any moms out there ever heard of having to sign a CA or release of any kind so that their kids could attend a party?
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Yes, I had to sign one, but it wasn't ANYTHING like the one that Kate uses...just a half-page non-disclosure...three paragraphs. I wonder if Kate uses an abbreviated version for a birthday party, or if all parents have to read that dissertation and have an attorney approve it. Must it be notarized? :)
I love how she tweets as if she is physically out there filling the barn with chicken feed. Ha! Come on, Kate, everyone knows that what that means is you have to stand around driving everyone crazy with your "but what about this, put it there" while someone else with a truck dumps it in. And yet, Kate's biggest fans will really believe that Kate is out there with a shovel.
I think it really weird that Kate (or Jon even) would keep the packaging from the medical order. Possible, plausable if Kate is a pack rat, messy person, just not convinced. I mean, for six, seven, eight years?
I haven't gotten to this part of the book, was it Human Growth Hormone? Does Robert say he has the reciept too? Does he mention what the date is on it?
I'm just curious cuz maybe it was for her marathon? Don't know if the dates match up.
Just thinking and wondering out loud here. I DO believe that she got pregnant on purpose, just think this story with the packaging is a little weird.
Improbable Dreams said... 175
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 172
I carry and oversized purse everyone does out here which I'm now realizing might come in handy if I ever need to keep my harddrives with me at all times.
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And damnitall anyway, The Spanker won't fit in my clutch.
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By George! I have just invented Grow A Spanker! Just add spit!
hmmm... not really funny is it? Sorry G kids, I know your thighs and bottoms and ribs hurt...
Dwindle said... 49
We have an extra 4 drive-bys taking on 24 different names and personas and the rest of us are just EXHAUSTED from all the revelations of the past 7 days. It feels like we got caught in an old fashioned wringer of child abuse and then we we finally broke free of that we got the wind kicked out of us when the book got pulled.
Well, not ALL OF US of course! By 'us' I mean only MEEEE!!!! I am only speaking for myself of course. sheesh.
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Dwindle you may speak for me any time. "The Book" has caused much consternation among the sheeple and/or drive-bys.
For us (meaning meeee, too) it was confirmation of everything we've talked about, only much worse in some places.
A little snark and Rumspringa takes the edge off.
I think Kate's norm is to have the parties in the garage or outside...carnival party, park party, pool party, the twins pizza party she writes about in IJWYTK was held in the garage, the tups last "parties" held in the garage...
You know, cuz when you care enough to use your very best...
I bet it will become a running joke in the family, when the twins turn 19 and are out of the house it will be hilarious to them that they can actually have a party IN THEIR HOUSE! (while not inviting their mother, naturally).
Dwindle, you can be my personal spokesperson too, I'll fax you over my 14 page CA as soon as I can get myself illegally parked at Kinkos. Now where are my spiky heels???
Re: party
I would not accept the hospitality of a child abuser and like others, would not sign any CA or subject myself to a lawsuit or my child to 'barking' which Kate calls her yelling. (or worse) At 12, kids would not usually have their parents stay, and I would not leave my kid alone with Kate in charge.
I feel sorry for the G kids- the tups' party was poorly attended, but Kate made the bed her children unfortunately will lie in.
True, we all risk leaving our children with child abusers/pedophiles anywhere- school, sports, Scouts, friends' homes etc but here we know Kate IS one.
*I actually hit myself with a wooden spoon yesterday on the leg while I making dinner- it hurt a lot!
I wouldn't encourage a friendship and would absolutely not let my child go the the McMansion for one simple reason. Katie Irene has a propensity to sue. If anything happened that would involve a broken bone, chipped tooth or the like, I would expect Katie to sue me.
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Exactly, and I would NEVER sign a CA for my child, lest HE get hurt.
heather
mamaK said... 59
I think Kate's norm is to have the parties in the garage or outside...carnival party, park party, pool party, the twins pizza party she writes about in IJWYTK was held in the garage, the tups last "parties" held in the garage...
You know, cuz when you care enough to use your very best...
I bet it will become a running joke in the family, when the twins turn 19 and are out of the house it will be hilarious to them that they can actually have a party IN THEIR HOUSE! (while not inviting their mother, naturally).
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Very sad indeed when your life is so full of lies and deceptions that you have to have your kids' friends' mothers sign CAs just to come over for a birthday party. And even then they are kept at a distance. That's their home for gawdsake. They worked for it.
Kate has no idea what she is doing to the G8. Not a clue.
How do you explain to a 12-year-old that he/she can't go to a birthday party with other classmates because the mother of the birthday girl has "issues?"
MamaK said...I think it really weird that Kate (or Jon even) would keep the packaging from the medical order. Possible, plausible if Kate is a pack rat, messy person, just not convinced. I mean, for six, seven, eight years?
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Maybe Kate kept it for future use, if they wanted another 'just one more?" If the tups did not 'take' would she have tried again and need the package info? I also do believe she is a pack-rat/hoarder.
HCG=Human Chorionic Gonadotropin. Not sure if I spelled it correctly. I don't think that HGH would be used for any sort of fertility purposes....but I could be wrong. I do know that HCG is related to fertility/pregnancy.
From some of the stuff I've read here...it seems possible that Jon did not realize what she'd done (regarding the HCG) until the deed was done. I'm referring to these possible filmed apologies she giggled to him after she was already pregnant.
It would help to have a time-line. Jon may have saved it for evidence down the road in case he needed it. I'm not totally sure of the timing in terms of Jon realizing Kate's interest in him was waning and he began to possibly worry about the marriage lasting.
OR....it just ended up in a bunch of trash bags and RH found it.
We all take the risk that someone MIGhT be a child abuser. You do your best to assess people and watch for red flags. The difference is once you do know they are it's simple common sense not to leave your child alone with them.
Anonymous/mice -- HIPAA applies to medical records. No medical records were released. What was released were KATE'S OWN WORDS detailing her medical information. That is not protected. If there were actual hospital records and doctor reports in the trash and Robert used those in his book, then there might be an issue.
Anonymous/mice -- I agree that the large bag is a non-issue. Some of us prefer a large bag, some of us prefer a small bag, some of us prefer no bag. It doesn't matter. Let's stick to the important thing -- KK routinely and sadistically punished her children for being -- well, children. Eyes on the prize, guys, eye on the prize!
Cruisin:
I assume other parents might feel the same way?
At 12, you as the parent make the decisions. If other kids' parents are fine with it, ok. For practical reasons plus enabling her persona as mother of the year, I would not be among them.
I would maybe send M and C a gift and cards from my kid.
(although we know what happens to gifts in the G house-trashcan. Or like Mommy Dearest, kids not allowed to keep gifts but donated- in this case, consigned!)
I would not let my child go to the G abode.
Why not? Because I wouldn't want my kid exposed to the insanity that's Kate Gosselin. Kate might not be beating on MY kid, but I certainly don't want my kid watching her beat on her OWN kids. Or watch her treating them or anyone else disrespectfully.
she has proven over and over that her only methods of discipline and dealing w/ stress are hitting, yelling, degrading and humiliating. My kids do not need to see that or be subjected to that personally.
BINGO!!!
Is she really going to beat one of her kids' friends?
No, but she is perfectly capable of beating her OWN in public. We have proof of that. And I not only don't want my kid to witness that, I don't want to witness it.
Does everyone know everything there is to know about a friend's parent when their child goes to a birthday party?
No. But if there is KNOWN problem, which Kate is, you bet I don't let my kid go alone. or go at all.
And even if I'm with, if Kate started acting up, we would be leaving immediately. I don't want my kid to be exposed to bad behavior if I can avoid it.
There is a bathroom in the apartment. A tea party was held there, kids were allowed there, and I'm sure they were permitted to use the bathroom.
What makes you think that? We're talking Kate Gosselin here. Who know what might make sense in her demented mind...
How do you explain to a 12-year-old that he/she can't go to a birthday party with other classmates because the mother of the birthday girl has "issues?"
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Easy. You can't go. End of story.
heather
Anonymous...62: Katie Irene has a propensity to sue. If anything happened that would involve a broken bone, chipped tooth or the like, I would expect Katie to sue me.
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If your child broke a bone, Kate would sue YOU? Huh? Or are you saying that if your child was responsible for an accident that caused injury to her child, she would sue?
If it's the latter, then all classmates, sports teams members, school personnel should be kept away from Kate's kids?
In middle school I had a friend whose mom was a known alcoholic. She mostly lived with her dad. My mom said I could go to her dad's, she could come here or I could see her at school. But I couldn't go over to her moms. It's as simple as that. Kids survive. The friendship didn't last anyway.
I let my 8 year old ( a long time ago)
'sleep over' at her friend's, assuming it was at her mom's house, where I dropped her off. The next day, I found the dad ( divorced) had taken them to his home. My dd reported the dad was walking around in hisunderwear, had a girlfriend in bed, and the girls were playing in the parking lot when I picked dd up.
Cruisin,
If you don't wish to explain to your child that their friends' mother has emotional difficulties (understatement), then plan a family thing for your family to do. "I'm sorry, honey, but we have plans as a family. Of course, we can go pick out something for you to give the girls at school."
For me, Bottom Line is: Kate is not of good enough quality to be near my children.
Just finished reading all 662 comments!
Thanks to Adm and all of you for your kind, uplifting comments...truly cheered me up! And I'm having some Rumspringa now...a bit early, but, hey, I have no car, so what's the prob!
Sorry to hear you are also having problems Formerly Duped...so many of us real, mediocre people here do have problems...REAL everyday problems...nice to have friends to boost us back up and make us laugh in the process. I've missed the wonderful women on this blog and won't let myself get so far behind ever again.
And, hey, I carry a gigantic purse.
I hope someone on this blog is in a position to check with the proper authorities to find out about Shoka's welfare.
California v. Greenwood, 486 U.S. 35 (1988).
The Fourth Amendment does not prohibit the warrantless search and seizure of garbage left for collection outside the curtilage of a home. The maority opinion said the "...Court believed it to be 'common knowledge' that garbage at the side of the street is 'readily accessible to animals, children, scavengers, snoops, and other members of the public.'”
US Supreme Ct. trumps any state law. Robert was not violating any laws when he took the trash. Simply, you cannot steal something that has no value, it was abandoned, so he cannot be charged with theft. I am sure Robert's attorney advised him what he did was legal.
As I don't have access to the book (which, btw, can we just use The Book when referring to Hoffman's book from now on) can anyone tell me if Khate mentions in her diary entries ever specific abuse involving the girls? And what are the numbers of boy abuse vs girl abuse? Does she talk about abusing the twins? Thanks in advanced.
If the party were only a few hours long I think I would let my child go. As much as I am repulsed by Kate I think it would be mean to have so few kids or no kids to show up because of her. If Kate beat her kids while the party was going on, the CA goes out the window anyway, doesn't it?
How do you explain to a 12-year-old that he/she can't go to a birthday party with other classmates because the mother of the birthday girl has "issues?"
Easy. You can't go, and here's why. We can talk about the "why's" so that you understand them, but you still can't go. Sorry.
I would explain in terms the kid could understand, without getting into gossipy details. And stress that this is a conversation that needs to stay at home, it's not out for public discussion.
Hypothetically if your kids are friends with the gosselin kids just orchestrate play dates at your house. That way you're not exposing your kids to Kate and the friendship isn't disrupted. It's really not that hard and something parents do every day when dealing with parents they are uncomfortable with without disrupting friendships.
Bet there's no trouble when they're with Jon. Kids come over, play, go home. No freaking big deal like there is at the konpound.
How do you explain to a 12-year-old that he/she can't go to a birthday party with other classmates because the mother of the birthday girl has "issues?"
The same way I would explain to my 16 year old why he/she can't go to a night-time bonfire with older teens there and no adults.
The same way I would explain why he/she can't be a passenger in a car with a teen driver.
The same way I would explain anything else....if it's not safe, it's not safe, and he/she isn't doing it.
There are too many KNOWN problems with Kate's house. My kids can be friends with her kids at school, other public venues, or at my house. But not alone at their house.
Meant the kids' *friends* come over, play, go home.
The good news is that Kate can't handle a party by herself, so most likely the nanny or Deanna, her tweetie, would be there to help. I have to say, if I had to sign a CA for my child to attend a party, I would say forget it, you are not going. If you cannot comment about how much fun your kid had a party and what they did, then something is wrong or there is a REASON for the CA. Birthday parties are supposed to be innocent fun gatherings, right?
Agree with Mel. Your own kids come first, they have to. You can't worry about another kid getting his feelings hurt because no one will come to his party because his mother is unfit to be around children.
Do we even know if she is having a party? They already got the iphones. Maybe she will take them somewhere.
I live in a town (or borough as we call them). When my dd was about 12 she was allowed to walk around within a few block's radius as long as she had her phone and I knew where she was. She and a girl from school she had known since 1st grade walked to down to her house, to then down to another girl's house. When she came home she told me that at the first girl's house (whose mother I had met and how's father is on Borough Council) there was a gun on the kitchen counter. Then, the girl picked up the gun and said "dad you left your gun out again." My daughter was never allowed to step foot in that house again. Scary. My ex was a cop and we used to fight about him bringing his gun home. Just in case he ever did and my daughter found it I scared my daughter to death about guns when she was little, lying to her that one could go off if you even went near it. She was old enough at 12 to know that wasn't true but obviously her friend was allowed to handle her father's gun.
Like my mom used to say when I'd say that "everyone else" is doing xxxx:
If everyone else jumped off the bridge, does that mean you jump, too?
This would be a good learning experience for my kid to see that just because other people are doing whatever it doesn't mean that it's a good idea for them.
It would lay a good foundation for when they come to me as teens and want to do something because "everyone else" is.
It would give us a good opportunity to talk about a lot of things, child abuse being one of them. I'd want them to be able to recognize it when they see it, and to know what to do about it. Both now and later.
Tamara said... 78
In The Book, Kate talks about beating Aaden, Joel, Collin ( the most), and Alexis ( a lot) and Leah and Mady(also several times) Never Hannah or Cara. I think that's right iirc.She also said some horrible things about her kids, implying a couple were not bright, detailed keeping them 'a long time' in their cribs and letting Jon deal with The Monster (Alexis She postponed necessary medical appts, keeping The Spanker in the BBB, and... well, you get the drift..(.my interpretation in some parts- like Joel with the glazed over eyes, couldn't tell if he understands things.)Anger, anger, frustration, anger.
Then the greed...
tLC stinks, Kate tweeted she was prepping for the 'party."
If it's the latter, then all classmates, sports teams members, school personnel should be kept away from Kate's kids?
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In all of the reasons listed above, Kate is NOT in charge, unless she is the team coach, then, NO, my kids would not be on the team. At a birthday party, in her home, she is free to do and say whatever she wants. Total control. My answer is still NO.
I don't want to be Anonymous anymore, I want to Throw Tomatoes, especially at US Magazine with their new story out today! No mention of Child Abuse allegations or the book!
Preesi is easy to figure out. It's old fashion gossip. Doctor got upset at Kate, everyone in the office found out, news travels fast! Kate would never sue him, no matter how money hungry she is. TMI
Purses: I collect them! Small, medium, and large, but I prefer medium. The large tend to get to heavy because I fill them up with crap. I only use my large purses when I'm going shoplifting ( just kidding ! ) Anger Issues you are so funny! I love your comments! I collect purses because I don't like shoes!
One last thing, I'm still a little peeved at Dr. Maloney! I found out by reading Robert's book that he gave Jon and Kate LASIK for free!! Kate didn't even promote him at all! I never would have known if I hadn't read about it! Between my child and I we paid a little over $12,000 dollars! This was in summer of 2008, so it might be more now or less! I have to go in for a tweak so I might say something!
Thanks, Duped. I guess she will tweet pictures like last year. Anything to exploit.
JudyK said... 76
Just finished reading all 662 comments!
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Woah! (snark)
Marathon reading Judy.
Yes, that fix all rumspringa works wonders.
Shoka's wherabouts remains a mystery today :(
Maybe Over in Kate's County will check back with us.
Easy. You can't go. End of story.
heather
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I don't think it would be easy at all, nor would it be the end of the story. This is a 12-year-old who would want an explanation as to why friends are going, but he/she can't. Do you tell your child it's because the classmate's mom is crazy? This isn't a pre-school child who wouldn't really understand why he/she can't go, and would forget about it within a few minutes. When one of the girls asks her friend why he/she isn't coming, does the child say, "because my mom thinks your mom is insane and is going to hurt me?"
The twins' party is a birthday party. It's not a two-week camping trip. I would expect that in two hours, Kate could behave herself so that no child would leave there emotionally or physically scarred.
"In middle school I had a friend whose mom was a known alcoholic. She mostly lived with her dad. My mom said I could go to her dad's, she could come here or I could see her at school. But I couldn't go over to her moms. It's as simple as that. Kids survive. The frieendship didn't last anyway."
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I've driven my kids on field trips rather than have them ride with someone I didn't know. Would I let my child ride in a car driven by Kate? No, not with her driving record.
AuntieAnn said... 95
Yes, that fix all rumspringa works wonders.
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I am thinking of trying some as a lubricant on my torn knee.
boo said... 162
Has Robert offered any explanation as to why he held back the "90%" that is so explosive and damaging to Kate? It doesn't make sense that you write a tell-all book designed to expose her, but hold back the best stuff.
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I didn't get the impression that the remaining 90% was more damaging or explosive than what he did publish, just that there was more. As for why he didn't include it in the book -- the book is already VERY long and I can understand just because of space and book length that there was too much to include.
Formerly Duped said... 90
Tamara said... 78
In The Book, Kate talks about beating Aaden, Joel, Collin ( the most), and Alexis ( a lot) and Leah and Mady(also several times) Never Hannah or Cara. I think that's right iirc.She also said some horrible things about her kids, implying a couple were not bright, detailed keeping them 'a long time' in their cribs and letting Jon deal with The Monster (Alexis...
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Oh I just had a horrifying connection to the fact that Alexis slept in the basement! Or was that Hannah? If it was Alexis....I can't event think about it
Huh? Or are you saying that if your child was responsible for an accident that caused injury to her child, she would sue?
If it's the latter, then all classmates, sports teams members, school personnel should be kept away from Kate's kids?
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Everybody needs to make their own decisions based on available information. I'm just giving my thought process to the question. I've been around people who sue and want nothing to do with them or their families. There are lots of people who have healthy outlooks that I would rather have my children associate with.
Allegedly responsible, but yes that would be my concern. If I'm not mistaken, I believe she wanted to sue her own brother.
Hypothetically, and to use a soccer example, lets say two or more players are going for the ball on a slick field. One of the Gosselin boys trips and slides head first into the path of my son. My son makes every attempt to jump over the player on the ground but can't make it and steps on that player and a nose or bone is broken. It could happen.
What happens next (in my mind)? Katie, if she's there comes screaming on the field and starts to berate my son and sues me. I don't need that drama.
You could say that I am out of my mind and that type of situation would never happen with rational people. I would say I'm not dealing with a rational person and it would be best to avoid the entire issue.
Twittering And Twattering said... 21
It's being reported on other blogs and Twitter that TLC is suing over copyright issues. I thought that Discovery simple sent that lame c&d letter. Has a suit been filed, or is this just another one of those rumors?
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As far as I know there has been nothing filed with the courts and the C&D letter from Discovery is all that has been sent to Robert plus the letter from Kate's lawyers that was sent to Amazon which caused them to pull the book from sales.
Have the twins ever had a birthday party? I know they've had "celebrations", but they only involved parents and sibs. Have they ever had a real birthday party? Ice cream and cake, games, present opening, a gaggle of friends, noise, chaos? You know, the kind of fun most other children get to experience on or around their birthdays?
In all of the reasons listed above, Kate is NOT in charge, unless she is the team coach, then, NO, my kids would not be on the team.
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The point was about suing. It wouldn't matter if Kate coached a team or not. If your child and Kate's child was on the same team, and your child injured (accidentally) her child, she could still sue, regardless of who was coaching the team. So would you not allow your child to be on the same team because Kate could sue you?
"If the party were only a few hours long I think I would let my child go. As much as I am repulsed by Kate I think it would be mean to have so few kids or no kids to show up because of her. If Kate beat her kids while the party was going on, the CA goes out the window anyway, doesn't it?"
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Thank you! LOL!! I was beginning to feel like I'm a very bad mom for not having a problem with my child spending two hours at a Gosselin child's birthday party! I know I'm a Mother Grizzly and an over-protective mom, but I was starting to get worried that I'm being too lenient in this case!
I guess it all depends on the emotional maturity of your 12 year old as to how much you tell her. My son at age 10, understood perfectly why he couldn't play w/ the boy around the corner whose mother was an abusive alcoholic. He saw the brothers beating on each other, heard them talking about video games that would never be allowed in our home, etc. I knew there would be excessive drinking at the "kids only" pool party that he was invited to. We went and did something as a family instead. No big deal.
Why do people tend to keep quiet about Kate Gosselin and the kids? I'm not even talking about the incompetent media news, I'm talking about the people who know her personally or the people who know about her (us). ! History has shown that keeping quiet does not protect the kids, on the contrary, it hurts them.
If Kate had been exposed for her child abuse, her horrific temper explosions, her child endangerment ( 2year olds being left unattended for 4 hours in their crips was dangerous ) I don't care what excuses people make , there is no excuse!
People should care more about the right thing to do, then the kids finding out what their mother is really like! That train has left the station!
"You could say that I am out of my mind and that type of situation would never happen with rational people. I would say I'm not dealing with a rational person and it would be best to avoid the entire issue."
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Am I understanding this correctly? There are those who would deny their child the opportunity to play on a school soccer team with classmates because one (or more) of the Gosselin kids plays on the team...simply because of what Kate MIGHT do?
Would you invite one of Kate's kids to your house for a sleepover? Its a tricky answer. Because on one hand you want G child to have a nice time outside their own home but on the other hand Kate could sue you or say bad things about you if the G child got sick or injured. Is the personal risk worth a child's happiness?
Dwindle said...
I am thinking of trying some as a lubricant on my torn knee.
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hehe.
We need to put together a Rumspringa ad.
Rumspringa...the Wonder Tonic
...soothes toothache, cools burns. Aids in digestion. Helps insomnia disappear in minutes, works as lubricant for stiff joints inside and out. Makes Kate Gosselin's lies easier to swallow.
Side Effects include ....dry mouth, dehydration, addiction. Tell your doctor. He'll want some
Katie C. did a OK interview with what she had to work with in the short amount of time. Wonder if Barba W. would consider another 20/20 interview with Kate G. and not "women of the year"!!
Bitter End, I don't see your scenario as far-fetched.
Any Robert updates?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 86
Agree with Mel. Your own kids come first, they have to. You can't worry about another kid getting his feelings hurt because no one will come to his party because his mother is unfit to be around children
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That's it right there. The mother is unfit.
A question: There is a major piece of the puzzle that I don't understand. Ok, do we know for sure that Jon was granted 50/50 parenting split this spring? I've never seen a definite answer on that, just conjecture. Ok, assuming its true, something major had to have happened for Kate to agree to this. And she agreed to release him from his child support payments. We know our Kate had to have been forced to go along with this. Does anyone know more about this??? (I can guess that there was a report of child abuse which gave Jon leverage? Are the kids pushing to spend less time with their mom? ) Would love to know more about all of this...Paula
KatyKat said, "I knew there would be excessive drinking at the "kids only" pool party that he was invited to."
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I agree with that, without a doubt. If I knew there would be drinking at a party, I wouldn't let my child go, and I'd tell him the reason. But to refuse to let my child go to a birthday party at the Gosselins simply because their mother might do something to inflict emotional damage (what might that be?) on my child is really stretching it...
This showed up on my news feed. Absolutely sickening.
http://www.adn.com/2012/10/04/2650162/couple-accused-of-abusing-teen.html
Auntie Ann 108 -- "Lowers blood pressure when reading about abusive, sadistic, narcissistic gestational carriers."
I need a rumspringa!
Does anyone here think that Discovery will try to buy Robert Hoffman's silence on this entire book issue. I mean if enough money is offered it could be very tempting. It would be a shame if that happens but it wouldn't surprise me.
readerlady said... 115
Auntie Ann 108 -- "Lowers blood pressure when reading about abusive, sadistic, narcissistic gestational carriers."
I need a rumspringa!
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lol! readerlady. That goes to the top of the list. It's what caused us to start on the stuff in the first place.
realziggyflo
@PMKids_Hater @kateplusmy8 She is in litigation. Do YOU understand that?
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If there have been no suits filed, why is it being reported that Kate's "in litigation?"
The book was removed at the request of Kate's attorney; Discovery sent a cease and desist letter. As far as we know, nothing has been filed in court. Robert?
Terri said... 116
''Does anyone here think that Discovery will try to buy Robert Hoffman's silence on this entire book issue. I mean if enough money is offered it could be very tempting. It would be a shame if that happens but it wouldn't surprise me.''
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I think that Discovery will attempt to settle out of court, but I wouldn't call that buying Robert's silence. In MY opinion, Robert won't settle for a thing that doesn't include HEFTY trust funds for the Gosslin 8, and hopefully some sort of comment about KK admiting abuse!
Admin said...
It may not seem fair, but they will assess you based on what income they THINK you should be earning. This prevents a doctor from taking a job at McDonalds just so he won't have to pay as much child support. It kind of makes sense. This means that even if you have no job or no income, you can indeed be responsible for 22,000.
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I'm not trying to be argumentatiive here...it just doesn't make sense. He was fired from TLC and was contractually unable to get a job in any kind of media. In what universe is a 32 year old, not college educated, with a spotty employment record, supposed to get a job paying over $400,000/ year--or, for that matter $266,000/year, which would just cover his CS.
Why won't you consider the fact that Jon may have either had considerable assets or had been compensated for his non-compete and that was what the CS was based on. If not, it is a pretty big coincidence that the CS changed when the contract lapsed.
This is not the first time I have posted on this, and I will let it drop. But, I would appreciate a rational response that will reconcile the facts.
Auntie Ann - I'm reporting back. I did not see the dog outside this morning, nor this afternoon. Before rumors of the dog's demise get passed around by those on Twitter who read here, that does not mean the dog is dead. It simply means I didn't see him. I'll go the same route tomorrow, so I'll check again, or if I have time this evening, I'll scoot by there.
For Season 5, the network approved four days of babysitting per episode. That would be 40 hours per episode....( or it could break out as 40 hours per week, if we project shooting one episode per week). With the inclusion of the hours of Carla and Ashley over this past time period,
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 6645-6648). . Kindle Edition.
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gee, 40 hours for one episode?????? damn
Does anyone else think that someone other than Kate is doing her CC tweets? They are succinct, professional and totally un-Kate-like.
40 hours for one episode 122
Many people who were familiar with filming have said that there were many more hours of work (filming) than the 1/2 or 1 hour episode. It's been a bone of contention with the sheeple for years. (The kids were just playing, dontcha know.
Ex Nurse, i seem to remember that TLC was paying Jon even though they were no longer filming him. I can't source it, but I do remember reading it. Something like 25,00, of which 22,000 went to child support.
Rhymes with Witch said... 123
Does anyone else think that someone other than Kate is doing her CC tweets? They are succinct, professional and totally un-Kate-like.
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I agree. Clearly the tweets have nothing to do with her. And is she still posting her weekly self-love-and-praise fest on their lame stupid site every week?
And is she still posting her weekly self-love-and-praise fest on their lame stupid site every week? 125
No idea, I won't go there.
Over In Kate's County said... 121
Before rumors of the dog's demise get passed around by those on Twitter who read here, that does not mean the dog is dead. It simply means I didn't see him.
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Over - Thank you. Your efforts are appreciated. I hope he's alright. If Kate has one humane bone in her body she should tell the truth about Shoka.
IF (emphasized IF) he didn't make it, we know she'll never own up to it. She'd also say it's none of anyone's business even though she made him everyone's business.
I HOPE he's safe with Jon. That's all I can say.
This made me gasp.(no lie)
But I also wanted to see how this was going to help my family. Jen told me prior to the start that she had my gift and that it was very exciting…. And then told me that it was a gift card for $ 750. I was very grateful but my initial reaction inside was anger that that was all. August 2006
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 7104-7110). . Kindle Edition.
Amy2 said... 107
Would you invite one of Kate's kids to your house for a sleepover? Its a tricky answer. Because on one hand you want G child to have a nice time outside their own home but on the other hand Kate could sue you or say bad things about you if the G child got sick or injured. Is the personal risk worth a child's happiness?
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In my opinion, I think to discuss how I would handle this type of invitation could cause a huge debate with a chance of judgmental comments and hurt feelings for a situation that is really quite hypothetical. There is no way that Kate would ever agree to any of her children stay, unchaperoned by her or CA agreement, at any friends home. She would never leave any chance open for any child to speak of what goes on in her home. Just look at the bday party's. The parents on one side and her on the other when they were at the pool.
Anyway, it is one of those questions that I would have to experience to know how I would handle it.
Over in Kate's County -- thanks. Robert spent years of his life collecting facts to protect the Gosselin children. So far, she is still not being held accountable. And, he is being challenged.
I think if he could prove Kate lied about the dog's whereabouts -- he would suddenly receive the attention and respect that he has been unfairly denied.
Shameful, but a Shoka cover up would probably get more attention than the child abuse journals have.
my eyes bugged out.
supportive! Dr Phil was very complimentary of us and lined up six months (four hours per day, three days per week) of a nanny from nanniesforhire.com AND 3000 worth of toys from Hasbro and playskool!!!!! So after the show (there were more nuts on after us)
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 7234-7238). . Kindle Edition.
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more nanny service. and 3000 worth of toys is a lot of dang toys!!!!!!!!!!! and let's slam the other guests, shall we?
Kate,I hope you rot in hell. you are a HORRIBLE person.
Stacy Bailey in Arizona is pregnant after her frozen transfer and we are waiting to hear with how many! I am nervous that she is trying to come up with another show for herself in all of this! July 2007 Stacy Bailey is NOT pregnant. She has two more embryos that she needs to use but they are of bad quality supposedly. Yes!!
Hoffman, Robert (2012-09-27). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD (Kindle Locations 7260-7266). . Kindle Edition.
I didn't post the part about how she calls Jon weak and a habitual liar...by not telling her he ate lunch in Philly.
you have got to be kidding me, omg.
Over In Kate's County said... 121
Before rumors of the dog's demise get passed around by those on Twitter who read here, that does not mean the dog is dead. It simply means I didn't see him.
Just wondering, since we all believe Kate reads here why would the discussion of when someone was going to check on Shoka be discussed? She probably read about it and maybe moved him inside for whatever reason (she's so nuts). Perhaps a cruise by there without any discussion would have be more productive. We still know nothing. :(
Rhymes with Witch said... 123
Does anyone else think that someone other than Kate is doing her CC tweets? They are succinct, professional and totally un-Kate-like.
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Yes! I thought the same thing when I read the cleaner or whatever one
Yahoo has a story up about Kate and every comment is 100% negative.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/kate-gosselin-says-she-s-now-a-different-person.htm
None of the comments mention goselinbook.
Ex Nurse said... 120
Admin said...
It may not seem fair, but they will assess you based on what income they THINK you should be earning. This prevents a doctor from taking a job at McDonalds just so he won't have to pay as much child support. It kind of makes sense. This means that even if you have no job or no income, you can indeed be responsible for 22,000.
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I'm not trying to be argumentatiive here...it just doesn't make sense. He was fired from TLC and was contractually unable to get a job in any kind of media. In what universe is a 32 year old, not college educated, with a spotty employment record, supposed to get a job paying over $400,000/ year--or, for that matter $266,000/year, which would just cover his CS.
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I think a judge or magistrate, at the time the CS was ordered by the court, would not bother to get into what TLC perhaps would and would not allow Jon to do in the future. If he made xxxxx money the previous few years, the court would possibly assume he would made the same xxxxx in the coming years. Who knew Discovery would soon shut him down like that in order to make Kate look more pitiful?
I am not saying that is what went through the court's mind, I am just saying it is one possibility. Hindsight is... well, hindsight.
Am I understanding this correctly? There are those who would deny their child the opportunity to play on a school soccer team with classmates because one (or more) of the Gosselin kids plays on the team...simply because of what Kate MIGHT do?
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I am going to drop this after this response. We'll agree to disagree.
I'm talking about competitive/club sports and being on an opposing team, not a elementary school team where everyone plays regardless of skill level. My scenario would probably never happen anyway as my impression is that the boys are afraid to get dirty. Unless Jon fixes this, no coach in their right mind would put them on the field with a competitive athlete.
With the inherent risk of injury in the sport of gymnastics would you, if you ran a program, welcome Katie Irene into the program? I would not.
Peace.
Anita said... 136
Yahoo has a story up about Kate and every comment is 100% negative.
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/kate-gosselin-says-she-s-now-a-different-person.htm
None of the comments mention goselinbook.
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I went to this link no more than 10 minutes after you posted this and either it crashed, or they took it down just that fast.
"Oops!
Sorry, the page you requested either doesn't exist or isn't available right now!
Please check the URL for proper spelling and capitalization. If you're having trouble locating a destination on Yahoo!, try visiting the Yahoo! homepage or look through a list of Yahoo!'s online services."
LOL!!!!
Over In Kate's County said... 121
Auntie Ann - I'm reporting back. I did not see the dog outside this morning, nor this afternoon. Before rumors of the dog's demise get passed around by those on Twitter who read here, that does not mean the dog is dead. It simply means I didn't see him. I'll go the same route tomorrow, so I'll check again, or if I have time this evening, I'll scoot by there.
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Auntie Ann, I think if Shoka were w/ Jon, we'd all know it. Thanks for the drive bys #121. Why can't someone send the SPCA over there to check on Shoka?
She's so vile...how in the hell does she continue to get away w/ her lies, deceptions, and manipulations...it's mind boggling.
You know how most loved pets "smile" for the camera? Remember the pic of Shoka in his scarf after being groomed...I wanted to give that poor dog a hug he looked so miserable. I don't believe for a minute that he was EVER considered part of the family and/or loved except on the rare occasions the kids were allowed to be around him and pet him.
Kate needs to be EXPOSED for the absolute liar/user/abuser that is her essence. And I wish Katie C. had asked her one simple question: Where's Shoka...out of the blue, no warning. However, I think it's readily apparent that Katie is not really schooled on The Fake Queen.
Localyocul said... 99
Formerly Duped said... 90
Tamara said... 78
In The Book, Kate talks about beating Aaden, Joel, Collin ( the most), and Alexis ( a lot) and Leah and Mady(also several times) Never Hannah or Cara. I think that's right iirc.She also said some horrible things about her kids, implying a couple were not bright, detailed keeping them 'a long time' in their cribs and letting Jon deal with The Monster (Alexis...
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Oh I just had a horrifying connection to the fact that Alexis slept in the basement! Or was that Hannah? If it was Alexis....I can't event think about it
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And when I read that mention of the basement sleeping it hit me that it was Jon sleeping down there. He'd already been banished from the master bedroom at that point. Anyone else think the same thing?
Fact or Fiction #42...You're sure the kids at a tea party were allowed to use the bathroom in the apartment? How? Kate Gosselin is not a gracious person. She is heartless, doesn't possess a single good manner, has no common sense, is mean-spirited, and is just overall a rotten human being. She has no compassion for her own children. How could she express or show that trait to others? It's not possible.
Bitter said,
"With the inherent risk of injury in the sport of gymnastics would you, if you ran a program, welcome Katie Irene into the program? I would not."
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Kate or her children? I don't know who the "you" is referring to, but yes, I would allow her children in the program or risk facing a discrimination lawsuit. Legally, there may be no other option. As someone pointed out here (and Robert mentions in his book), Kate loves the three words, "Can we sue?"
"Just wondering, since we all believe Kate reads here why would the discussion of when someone was going to check on Shoka be discussed? She probably read about it and maybe moved him inside for whatever reason (she's so nuts). Perhaps a cruise by there without any discussion would have be more productive. We still know nothing. :("
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If you read my post from last night (55), I asked IF I should drive by. I never said when, or that I would drive by. I doubt if she kept the dog inside all day on the chance that someone from this blog would be in her area today.
I do wonder, though, why the whereabouts of the dog is such a big secret. Is Kate playing with her tweeties?
Purple Skies said... 142
You're sure the kids at a tea party were allowed to use the bathroom in the apartment? How? Kate Gosselin is not a gracious person. She is heartless, doesn't possess a single good manner, has no common sense, is mean-spirited, and is just overall a rotten human being. She has no compassion for her own children. How could she express or show that trait to others? It's not possible.
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So you're sure Kate wouldn't let kids use the bathroom?
So you're sure Kate wouldn't let kids use the bathroom?
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It's either that, or let the kids pee in the pool or behind the bushes.
Regarding letting my daughter go to a party at a friend's home that I wasn't sure of, I wouldn't and just explain my concerns to her. We had this issue when she was in eighth grade and wanted to spend the night at a friend's house. However, my dd had mentioned a few things that her friend had told her about her dad's drinking every evening (parents were divorced as the mom left and dd's friend lived with the dad). I did not feel secure letting my daughter stay there and explained that as a parent, if I didn't know the other parent, I could not agree to let her stay with strangers. I then suggested that her friend stay the night with us, which is what happened. Anyhow, as a parent, it is my responsibility to make sure that my daughter was safe, where ever she was. If I didn't know the parent, I was concerned.
However, I did know the parents of the majority of her friends from PTA, room mothers together, Brownies, softball, etc. There were relationships. If Kate doesn't have these relationships with other parents, then I wouldn't blame them if they didn't let their children go, especially after the book.
At most of the parties dd went to, I would ask the parent if they needed help and they were always receptive. Many did the same thing when they dropped off their kids at my home for a party. The kids had fun and the parents got to participate as well as enjoy each others company, too.
So, just my opinion.
I have been reflecting on Kate's interview yesterday, and in the whole scheme of things, it's just a bleep in this world of media OVERLOAD. In my opinion, Kate is done in the entertainment industry, Insiders know, my bet is she is blacklisted, no-one wants to put her back in to a series.
The Book will possibly prolong her life in the tabloids, but she has nothing to offer, nothing.
As many have stated here, I wish Robert had consulted with professionals before putting his book online. He has explosive information, but it got lost in the narrative and formatting. He has the goods, but instead of hitting a home run, it felt more like a bunt. Perhaps the fact it was pulled so quickly will turn out to be a good thing. This will give him time to consult with editors/copywriters and hit that ball right out of park!
Auntie Ann, I think if Shoka were w/ Jon, we'd all know it. Thanks for the drive bys #121. Why can't someone send the SPCA over there to check on Shoka?
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And tell them what? That Kate isn't tweeting about Shoka and hasn't posted any pictures of him, therefore her twitter persons and blogs think that he died or went to Jon's? I don't think that the SPCA would be too thrilled about sending someone out based on those reasons.
Dwindle said...139
The 'l' was missing at the end of the pasted link. Try this:
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/kate-gosselin-says-she-s-now-a-different-person.html
I do wonder, though, why the whereabouts of the dog is such a big secret. Is Kate playing with her tweeties?
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And her bloggers, too.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... #144 Yes, I'm sure. LOL Of course I don't have facts on that issue, but was responding to someone whose user name was "Fact or Fiction". Therefore my response to that person was how could he/she have the facts on it. Kate has stated over and over again on how the crew was her family and even they could not use any of the 5 bathrooms in her household. Anyone, I'm done discussing bathroom usage. ;-)
That woman (ziggyflo) who insists Kate is in litigation is a very ill-informed person who thinks she knows it all because she googles. She'll argue if you say the sky is blue. If you say it's silly for Kate to open the pool in March she'll google inane reasons to open a pool early. Don't pay attention to her. She thinks all evidence points to the diary being fake.
Does anyone else think that someone other than Kate is doing her CC tweets? They are succinct, professional and totally un-Kate-like.
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I just assumed this all along, lol. That's how most of those "agreements" work.
And tell them what? That Kate isn't tweeting about Shoka and hasn't posted any pictures of him, therefore her twitter persons and blogs think that he died or went to Jon's? I don't think that the SPCA would be too thrilled about sending someone out based on those reasons.
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That's my question as well. :)
The Yahoo article is still available and yeah, the comments are all negative
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/kate-gosselin-says-she-s-now-a-different-person.html
librarylady said... 153
Does anyone else think that someone other than Kate is doing her CC tweets? They are succinct, professional and totally un-Kate-like.
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I just assumed this all along, lol. That's how most of those "agreements" work.
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You mean CC blogs? A number of people, including me, realize that. I posted a response confirming I concurred w/ a poster who had stated same on the blog, many people agreed, and then my post mysteriously disappeared a few days later.
Nothing like deleting to negate exposure of the truth. Good job CC!
Midnight Madness said... 118
realziggyflo
@PMKids_Hater @kateplusmy8 She is in litigation. Do YOU understand that?
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If there have been no suits filed, why is it being reported that Kate's "in litigation?"
The book was removed at the request of Kate's attorney; Discovery sent a cease and desist letter. As far as we know, nothing has been filed in court. Robert?
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You're right, so far there's been no suits filed.
Consider the source. ;)
I think her very bright sheeple aren't able to understand the difference between a letter and litigation. I could send anyone a c&d right now but no one is in litigation until a suit is filed.
Dmasy said...
Shameful, but a Shoka cover up would probably get more attention than the child abuse journals have.
JudyK said...
Kate needs to be EXPOSED for the absolute liar/user/abuser that is her essence. And I wish Katie C. had asked her one simple question: Where's Shoka...out of the blue, no warning.
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Dmasy and Judy - I have to admit the ache in the pit of my stomach feels worse for Shoka. I have great pity for the kids but at least they have their daddy and each other and at least they have mouths to speak. But he can't.
He's already been taken from his sister and he's so alone and he looks so sad in past photos.
Kate is too cruel to have a dog in the family and she's playing a cruel mind game about Shoka right now.
Fess up Kate. What did you do with him?
localyocal:
It WAS Alexis sleeping in the basement b/c Kate said he thought she was a bat. Then something about her waking up Leah & Hannah at night for mischief. Maybe Jon was down there too.
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Over in Kate's County:
Thanks for checking on Shoka. If he is usually out, that's a possible concern. Thanks for reporting in .
Kate Gosselin should be in jail for abusing her children! She used Corporal Punishment while potty training her 6 babies! Who in the HELL does that? A very sick bi-polar B****! Confirmed by her family, she is Bi-Polar and refuses to take her meds. She picked up Colin by the hair of his head at 2 yrs. old and threw him into his crib and BEAT him into it with the wooden spoon! The pain that baby suffered, all the babies! If I would of caught her doing that, I would of grabbed that big wooden spoon and broke it over her head! She journaled all of this on her computer in her own words. She said she was afraid that she would cause severe injury to the kids and that today was the day. That was the same day she beat Colin. She refuses to take the kids to the DR. because she is afraid they will see the abuse. She threw out her computer and a ton of papers out to the trash the day after she kicked Jon out of the garage apt. Sorry, Kate, you throw it out, it is fair game. TLC knew all about this abuse and just kept on filming. Why pull the book Kate Gosselin How She Fooled the World off Amazon? TLC should sue Kate because she threw out trade secrets about the show, not the author of the book, who has passed lie detector tests! She also slapped one of the boys for waving and saying hi to one of the paparazzi that had become friends with Jon and the boy knew him. She needs to be put on a psych 5150 hold and taken to a hospital. This is Just My Humble Opinion.
Rhymes with witch said: Does anyone else think that someone other than Kate is doing her CC tweets? They are succinct, professional and totally un-Kate-like.
No....she just tweeted " does anyone in the world besides me not know there is a helium shortage".... I think that clears up the question on whether someone succinct and professional is tweeting for her lol! Ummmm..Kate ...there's a shortage because u have sucked it all into that brain of yours
lukebandit -- If you were running for public office, I would vote for you!
I think her very bright sheeple aren't able to understand the difference between a letter and litigation. I could send anyone a c&d right now but no one is in litigation until a suit is filed
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Bright sheeple? Isn't that an oxymoron?
What parent would send their kid into an unstable eviorment like that? Some of you need help yourselves. She was falling apart on National TV on a fluff interview. Jeeze people.
KG where is Shoka? She will not say what happene to the family dog, so hurry on over to send your child over there. Get those pens ready to sign the 10 page CA agreements.
I am sick with worry over Shoka. IF the dog is alive and still residing at the orphanage Kate is yet again being cruel bot to allay peoples fears.
Wasn't Milo recently all but demanding to know Shoka's ok?
admin said,
I think her very bright sheeple aren't able to understand the difference between a letter and litigation. I could send anyone a c&d right now but no one is in litigation until a suit is filed
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Is the one who posted that Kate is in litigation the person they call zippysh##s? If so, that explains everything! :0)
Kate is shallow and to even mention that she, herself has been through a lot, "a lot", is offensive. She planned down to the letter how her life would be and became a multi-millionaire off the backs of her children. I'm not buying any of it. Katie C., on the other hand, buried her beloved young husband and has reared her 2 girls outside of the limelight. Katie has not exploited her girls. I hope she could see through Kate's rediculous act. Katie is still working to support those 2 young women. Kate, on the other hand, is home counting her bank accounts. Karma, where are you?
Anonymous said... 165
What parent would send their kid into an unstable eviorment like that? Some of you need help yourselves. She was falling apart on National TV on a fluff interview. Jeeze people.
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lol. I guess I need help then because I really don't think she'd harm other people's children at an afternoon birthday party and I don't think she'd lose it on her own when there are other kids around. I just don't.
An anon @165...KG where is Shoka? She will not say what happene to the family dog, so hurry on over to send your child over there.
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I'd really worry that if my child went to a kid's birthday party at the Gosselins that when I went to pick him up, he'd be crated in the basement, or let loose outside the gates to go through the neighbor's trash!
Seriously, though, I think that since this book came out, Kate is going to be on her best behavior because she knows people are watching and CPS just might be on her heels.
Moi said... 166
I am sick with worry over Shoka. IF the dog is alive and still residing at the orphanage Kate is yet again being cruel bot to allay peoples fears.
Wasn't Milo recently all but demanding to know Shoka's ok?
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Yes, Milo asked her several times and has dropped it. Since they do seem to have a kind of email correspondence, I wonder if Kate shared something about Shoka to Milo - who thinks anything Kate says is gospel truth.
Like you, I'd love news on Shoka.
She also said some horrible things about her kids, implying a couple were not bright, detailed keeping them 'a long time' in their cribs
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Did Khate write about Hannah and Cara in positive ways or were they just not mentioned much at all?
Reality Tea weighs in...here's a sneak Peek:
"So, yeah I'd rather croak on rotten spam than watch Kate make-out on TV. And if she thinks anyone on earth wants to watch her on a dating show – she's wrong. Nope, they'd much rather read that tell-all book. Again, Robert, send me a copy ASAP.
TELL US – WOULD YOU RATHER READ THE TELL-ALL BOOK OR SEE KATE DATE? DO YOU THINK JON IS BEHIND THE BOOK? DO YOU BLAME HIM IF HE IS?"
http://www.realitytea.com/2012/10/04/is-jon-gosselin-behind-the-kate-gosselin-tell-all-book-plus-kate-still-desperate-for-a-dating-reality-show/
auntie ann @169...lol. I guess I need help then because I really don't think she'd harm other people's children at an afternoon birthday party and I don't think she'd lose it on her own when there are other kids around. I just don't.
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Right. I don't, either. So I need lots of help, too, but nothing that a good Rumspringa wouldn't cure. In addition, it wouldn't be only Kate supervising. You know darn well she couldn't do it all herself, and there would be an army of help around her.
Auntie Ann, I agree that Kate wouldn't harm other peoples children in front of others. My opinion is as a parent, you have to make a decision what type of environment you are willing to send your children to. I'm sure my bias is because we are talking Kate here, and if she was my neighbor, I don't that I would send my daughter there. It's just my biased opinion at this point, though.
Why is everyone so testy and snarking at each other? What is going on? someone says the leaves on the trees are orange and that is followed by several folks who get snippy about orange leaves, followed by more folks who note how stupid you are to not notice orange leaves...
Why all the name calling, finger pointing and outright anger at each other?
Tamara; I don't think they were mentioned except for Kate asking for ski gear for Cara and things as a group ( food, toys, show ideas.) Nothing bad or abusive.I may have forgotten a detail but I don't think she said much about her favorites.
Wowser said... 162
Rhymes with witch said: Does anyone else think that someone other than Kate is doing her CC tweets? They are succinct, professional and totally un-Kate-like.
To completely change the way she tweets for CC in 24 hours, something has changed! I think either she's letting someone at CC post 'ads' to her twitter account for her or they've convinced her to tweet specific posts they're writing to try a new angle to drum up some business. It's something she should have been doing all along. If she signed a 1 yr contract with CC, they might be trying this different tactic in the last month or so to see if she can actually do some good for them since it was obvious she wasn't promoting for them this past year! lol
The link on yahoo says page can't be opened. But if you type in the topic the article comes up ...so funny...620 negative comments about her personally and her appearance on the show...one person said "Kate and Octomom should do a show together called 'catch 22'". Lol
Oh- and Cara was ahead in reading along with Mady at school but Mady was more immature...
Dwindle, I think people are taking their anger out on Kate by being testy here. I feel people are trying to be fair to the G kids by saying they would not ruin their party etc, but I don't get the big bag is better than a smaller purse thing! I admit I felt quite queasy reading that book and what Kate herself wrote, so foreign to how I felt about my babies. We all get angry but to hurt a child or animal is unfathomable to me, and I guess some of us felt the atrocities and greed and maybe took our feelings out in 'debate.' JMO :/
Dwindle 176 said
Why all the name calling, finger pointing and outright anger at each other?
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You know what? I've been in a bad mood every since I started reading the book. For a mom to exploit her kids like this, it's maddening.
As far as the purse debate, *I* was the one who first brought up the subject, but my point was that here Kate is, AGAIN, making sure she always has nice, new stuff on her kid's dime...she can't afford to be a nurse...wah wah....hasn't worked in a yr, yet botox, procedures, new clothes, hair, travel, all for her...and uses the kids money...and the kids can't even go to the damn movies, cuz it's too expensive.
Dwindle, I think people are taking their anger out on Kate by being testy here.
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lol! I was just googling to find out if it's full moon. No excuse there...not until October 29! Testy is the perfect word for today's comments!
Dwindle, Aggiemom, Parent in LC, Formerly Duped...
I'm feeling the same undercurrent of stress and sadness since reading the book. Deep, dark waters we're navigating here. Maybe we could light candles for the G8, for Shoka, and also for ourselves?
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=15
Peace, peace, peace.
Dreams, I did that and I will say it did give me some peace. The book really 'riled me up.' I felt guilty for watching the show without knowing what really was happening to the kids. It was much worse than I would have thought.The exploitation and greed were obvious but the extent was shocking as well.
Some of the most vile information has been released about her. Does she feel shame? Does she, at least, pretend repent? Hell, no. She is lol-ing with Milo and talking about her friggin' coffee.
I do feel a dark anger. I am glad I have this blog space to vent and share.
I want some kind of justice. She cannot just escape consequences again. Really?
I'm looking at it like this...My hypothetical daughter gets invited to Mady and Cara's birthday party, they go, they spend the day doing whatever girls do on their twelfth birthday and she comes home when it's over.
Kate may be batshit crazy but I do not think she's the old lady Bates/Anthony Perkins psycho type that runs around with a butcher knife screaming at her kids' birthday parties.
I'm thinking that it would be NICE for Mady and Cara to have friends over. A little bit of normalcy in the midst of their abnormal lifestyle. That's all. I'm not sending my hypothetical daughter to LIVE with Kate for the love of pete.
Dmasy ~ I'm glad for this site, too, and for all that we do together, to help light a candle against the dark.
I'm feeling the same undercurrent of stress and sadness since reading the book. Deep, dark waters we're navigating here. Maybe we could light candles for the G8, for Shoka, and also for ourselves?
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I also think that Kate's television appearance yesterday had a lot to do with the feelings of stress and sadness. We read (and some are still reading) about the abuse, her greed, her getting away with everything, and the stupidity of the sheeple defending her with their dying breath.
Then she goes on television, heavily made-up, sniffling her hypocrisy, photographed outside, all smiles and looking with adoration at Stevie...like all is right in the world. She even has the gall to say that she wants a dating show. She was in her element again (the media) and that in itself ticked me off. She's not going away.
I'm thinking that it would be NICE for Mady and Cara to have friends over. A little bit of normalcy in the midst of their abnormal lifestyle. That's all. I'm not sending my hypothetical daughter to LIVE with Kate for the love of pete.
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I think we'd all draw the line there. I'm not even sure that I'd allow my kids to go on a vacation with Kate. That's sad, I know, because when kids become teens, they like to have their friends go with them on beach trips.
A simple two-hour birthday party, with other kids around, parents perhaps, helpers...no worries, at least not for me.
Are we still discussing RH's book, or has that idea been shelved? I ask because I'd to discuss the summarized chapters together. And even without excerpting the passages wholesale, it's yet another way to bring the dark secrets to light.
jadedklay
@Kateplusmy8 your best interview ever on Katie! Love how open honest & genuine you were. Such an inspiration!
They don't get it, do they? They just don't get it, and they are going to grow up to be just like her.
I'd let my kids go to the party if we didn't have to sign any damn papers,but I would stay the entire time.
Why would you send your child into the home of an abuser? is it worth the risk??
Perhaps I need to take a break from this whole sordid mess. But you know what? That's what she wants, for people to quit watching how she treats her kids. She needs to be watched.
It's one thing for us to have speculated what goes on in that house, it's another thing to read in her own words what happened, and it's worse than anyone could have imagined.
And now it appears as she may get away with it.
Sorry, Anonymous at 191 was me.
Thanks Formerly. Sometimes what someone doesn't say is more revealing than what they do.
Between PTSD, neglect like the kind found in some orphanage, the amount of violence each kid saw from such a young age..... It will be surprising if half of the G kids have emotionally stable and productive lives as adults. By stable I mean no drug abuse, not committing physical and emotional abuse of their significant other or children, or have multiple relationships where their significant other abuses them.
Dwindle - Quick - Whats 5+3? Define haberdasher. Use it in a sentence.
OK - just a little testy. How'd I do?
From Robert Hoffman's book:
"So how did Kate like taking care of the family dogs, Shoka and Nala? She didn’t. For Kate, they were nothing more than another freebie that made for a few interesting episodes of reality television. After the novelty wore off, they became a burden to her and she wanted absolutely nothing to do with them.
Kate totally and completely ignored those dogs and kept them locked inside of their cages behind the house. She didn’t feed them and she left them in there, surrounded by their own excrement and vomit until Jon could finally take care of them. Kate finally allowed Mady and Cara to take care of them when Jon wasn’t at the house. The dogs, like the sextuplets a lot of the time, became the twins job to feed, clean and entertain.
I’ve never seen it for myself, but I’ve been told that Kate physically abuses Shoka as well. She did the same with Nala but Nala growled at her and threatened to bite her. I’m guessing that that’s the main reason Nala was permanently banished from the family. You don’t think Kate could beat a dog? If she could beat toddlers in diapers, surely she’d be ok with beating a dog who was trained not to bite her. Kate finally had enough and made Jon get rid of ‘his dogs.’ I was there with Jon the day they were taken away. Jon was sad and the kids were very, very sad. Kate couldn’t have cared any less."
About "our testiness" today!:
So funny because I've been feeling sh____ty, literally, since the book was pulled 10 mins. before I tried to pay for and download it. I realized I'd better get out of here quick when I couldn't get off the toilet (sorry for the graphic) as I was really sick! No reason other than reading about kHate's ugliness and poison; it was the same feeling I used to get before I quit watching her toxic "show" after the vow renewal, and when I first discovered GWoP and how this wasn't all in my head. There really WAS stuff that was so wrong about that whole bunch (TLC, Discovery, Figure 8 and kHate).
So I disappeared myself for a few days and was feeling better until I read that we're testy today. Please feel better everyone and if you need a break, take one. This group's comments won't disappear while you're gone - Administrator will NEVER be bullied or C/D'ed into that, ever!
aggiemom, I agree with you and with others that have said the same thing - it appears she's going to get away with her abuse. However, hopefully, behind the scenes, things are starting to happen.
Meaning family members, CPS, whoever, reading her own words about how she abused those children. She needs to be investigated for abuse. Who pulls a toddler up by their hair? Who whips them into the crib? Who uses wooden spoons on toddlers potty training? That is just so over the edge it's scary.
Now, I don't want to cause an argument here, but being an abused child, I wonder if Jon has brought these abuses to the courts attention to try to get full custody of the kids. Especially since the book is out now and it's in her own words. There is just a part of me that wants to scream Jon, FIGHT! Of course, I don't know that he hasn't, but I would think with his personal knowledge of the abuse and now the book, he would stand a good chance in court.
For those who may say the abuse went on when Jon wasn't home, same thing happened with my dad. However, my dad knew we were upset, he saw the red handprints and bruises when he got home. I'm sorry to say he just didn't want the responsiblity of all of the kids on his own. I sincerely hope Jon will do something.
Sorry if my posts seem judgemental, but they probably are due to my own experiences, my feelings about child abuse, and my absolute disgust at Kate.
One of the best questions to come out of the book, after citing Steve Neild's very impressive resumé, providing protection for presidents and royalty: how do you go from a resumé like that to following Kate Gosselin around carrying her shopping bags?
It's only been a few days since the book was released.(and snatched off the 'shelves') It's going to get worse for her JUST because she raised a big stink about it with her lawyers.
She's done like dinner.
Patience. Patience. Karma is at work here.
How does everyone feel about the abortion claim? No one dares to mention it....So I will. But not to condem her. I know she must be mortified reading that, and knowing others know it too. Too me, that is a private issue.
IMO: I am hurt that she was made to do it. Parents are scary. And, as much as I think Robert was legal in obtaining the information he found in his treasures, I was sick that he posted that piece of information about her.
There are things I would not want my kids or friends knowing about me.
Kate, I am sorry he posted some of the things about you he found. We all have our faults. I am at the top of the list with sin and faults everyday.
I honestly believe that most people just want you to get some professional help. All of the stars get help. Then, you really will be a different, changed person.
I watched you on KC, and while you do not have any formal training yet, I believe you have a lot of potential for being on a talk show.
But, there are some issues you are going to have to confront in order to get through the past, and face the future.
You are beautiful. And you have a beautiful body. (I am a straight woman.) Giving credit where it is due. But, you do not need to have any more procedures.
You are too fake in your interviews and on twitter. Be yourslef all the time.
You are in pretend mode everyday. I know why, but you have to find out why for yourself.
Too many different personalities and too many lies keep your fans and the public confused.
Work on that, get help, and get stable, and then come back and ask for a show or to fill in on the talk circuit.
You are not hated. People mostly hate your ways.
You have that sought after, best in the field Film School, right next to you in NY.
What I would give to send my daughters there. They have always wanted to go there and you can! So can any of your children who want to be on TV or film. We can't afford it, but you have the means and the money.
Get the traiing. Get with SAG instead of Reality TV.
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