"We did the best we could."
Chris Cuomo's moving interview with Aaron Fisher, 18, otherwise known as "Victim Number 1" is so important we thought it deserved its own post.
How did teachers, principals, police, investigators, prosecutors, Pennsylvania's Office of Children, Youth and Families (CYS), therapists and two grand juries let Jerry Sandusky continue to molest children for three years after Aaron first reported the abuse to them? Chris Cuomo tries to find out why, and hold people accountable."Why are you moving so fast now when you moved so slowly when Aaron needed your help?" Cuomo shouts to a school principal running away from him. Karen Probst, mandated by law to report any abuse, instructed Aaron to go home and think about it when he first disclosed the abuse to her. She is still principal.
Will anyone ever be held accountable for the child abuse and child labor violations perpetrated against the Gosselin children for years? According to Robert Hoffman, he reported the child abuse allegations to CYS twice. Is this the best they could do?
Aaron's book Silence No More: Victim 1's Fight For Justice Against Jerry Sandusky is available for purchase on Amazon.com
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«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 1729 Newer› Newest»Poor Shoka. I don't have a dog and I'm puddling up here reading all about your buddies, but I'll bet they all greet you with wet sloppy kisses too. Isn't it kind of a natural show of affection for them to do that? Kate said she didn't allow kisses from Shoka and it must have been confusing for him. I feel so damn bad for that dog.
I want to know what happened March 16, 2007 when Ms Kreider got a stern talking to after some Chicken Soup for the Soul magazine interview. Just what did she say that TLC did not like? Was the TLC staff even then trying to advise her about interviews? Sounds like Ms Kreider was NOTimpressed with the advice or scolding.
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What if the kids know the dog is buried on the property? I can see me pulling up towards the backyard and saying somberly "Hi Sweetie the Goldfish, Hi Henry the Turtle, Hi Polly the Parakeet" to all the kids little pets buried in the back yard in shoeboxes. I mean, if my kids were that little and they were with me.
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This is exactly what I thought. She pulled into the driveway and was acknowledging Shoka's gravesite. Why? Because she is still trying to fart out rainbows and unicorns, but also because she is that mentally ill to rub Shoka's death into the children's faces. She is truly evil, playing mind games with a bunch of children. Thank goodness none of them said anything along the lines of 'you always lie' as they did in that one episode of Kate+8.
Hey KATE!! Yeah, you bitch. If I'm wrong, post a picture of Shoka with a copy the day's newspaper. Maybe you can get a copy at Starbucks.
Duck & Cover was first released in 1952 as a Civil Defense film and was used to scare the heck out of us during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1961.
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Why am I thinking at the Cuban Missile Crisis was in October of 1962, a year before JFK was assassinated?
Somebody on twitter started a thing where every time Kate mentions Bella Bars, this person donates $8 to Mr. Hoffman's fund. :-):-):-):-)
And now they're taking bets whether or not Kate goes to the RnR run this weekend. $16 to Hoffman's fund if she goes, $8 if she doesn't. Except for one person who tripled their bet to $24.
Better than having her stay home and beat the kids.
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That bridge would have to be made of fireproof material just to make sure that Kate couldn't add it to the ones she's already burned.
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She's already got that covered. hehe, pun intended. It's lined with all the el toro poo poo the sheeple have thrown her way for so many years. It's too thick to measure so there is no danger there.
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Why am I thinking at the Cuban Missile Crisis was in October of 1962, a year before JFK was assassinated?
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Sleepless, you are correct. In fact, during the debate last night they said that it was the 50th anniversary of JFK's address to the nation regarding the Cuban Missle crisis, which he gave on Oct. 22, 1962.
Admin.
Does your source know anything about Shoka? If not , can they find out? I know that many of us are worried about Shoka! But I also think that Kate is playing with people's emotions because of their love of dogs. She reminds me of a cat playing with a mouse because she knows many of us here are dog lovers!
I have known so many people during my lifetime, and I can say that Kate is on top of the list as a first class bitch! She's also a CHILD ABUSER/ANIMAL ABUSER!
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Kristine said... 1
My Papillon Ty... barks at everything, including the door bells on TV. I'm sure Anita here & her "Sophie" can relate. It's in their nature to be barkers and Sheeple Herders.
Hi Kristine, my Sophie is really not a barker, it's my Rat Terrier who really gets things started when any door bell rings (on or off TV)!
Sleepless, you are correct. In fact, during the debate last night they said that it was the 50th anniversary of JFK's address to the nation regarding the Cuban Missle crisis, which he gave on Oct. 22, 1962.
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Thanks, Twit. I recently read Bill O'Reilly's "Killing Kennedy," which was excellent...easy-to-understand narrative of the time leading up to the assassination, with the politics behind the scenes written so that even "non-history people" can figure everything out. I had previously read his "Killing Lincoln," and this was his follow-up to that book. If you like the Civil War period of history, I recommend "Killing Lincoln." It's really worth reading.
I read Paige's tweet to Kate today and all I have to say is Paige get help! Do you think Kate is your mother?? Has she pulled you up by your hair? Has she clobbered you because you ate M&MS ? Did she beat you because you crawled out of your crib when you were a baby? Has she had you on a diet since you were a small child? Did she make you work since you were a baby and kept your money? Has she kept you from having a relationship with extended family? Does she bad mouth your dad on national TV and made him one of the most hated man in the country? Does she show favoritism and you are not her favorite? Does she try to get away at every opportunity and does not return for days when she is with her boyfriend ( oops, I meant bodyguard ) all the while won't even take you to the movies?
If your answer is NO then Kate is not your mother! Go hug and kiss your real mother and thank God that Kate is not your mother!
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Sleepless, you may have originally been thinking of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, which was in 1961 (April). My Uncle, who was career Navy, was stationed at Guantanamo during both the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missle Crisis. Very tense times.
I remember those "duck and cover" drills, too. In first grade, we were told to crawl under our desks and cover our noses and mouths. Scary. And wouldn't have helped a bit in a nuclear attack. Do you remember defense bonds? We were expected to purchase those at school, too.
I am, as usual, behind on comments, but I wanted to comment on something from the previous thread regarding new people feeling like there are cliques, they are unwanted etc.
I can't help but wonder if the people that feel this way are either new to the internet or new to online communities.
In the many years I have been online, I have been a member of any number of online communities and have seen this complaint (and the ones that go with it like "the blog/forum/community is changing" "the blog/forum/community is not as fun/intelligent/etc as it used to be" "regular posters are leaving" "the blog/forum/community is dying" etc etc etc) too many times to count. This is pretty much just the natural, cyclic progression of online communities.
"Old-timers" change interests or get busy and leave, new "regulars" pop up, the community continues to thrive, life goes on.
What people don't seem to understand is that you can't "barge" into an established community that has been in place for YEARS and has an established community atmosphere, scream "I'M HERE, WORSHIP ME!" and expect that to go over well with the community.
If you do that kind of thing in real life, I can't imagine that you have a very successful social life. The same social rules that apply in real life apply in online communities. Just because it's online doesn't mean it's not real. The people behind the words being typed are still REAL people. They have been here for years and have forged relationships. Many people here probably communicate with each other off the blog, as well.
When you move to a new place, do you just barge in to a social setting and interrupt and expect everyone to immediately pay attention to you or do you slowly talk to people and get to know them and eventually people know you and you know them? Do you think that the people that have been friends for YEARS before they even knew you are being "cliquey" because they aren't falling all over themselves to pay attention to you when their good friend is talking to them and you have jumped in the middle of their conversation? If so, you need to drag Kate with you when you see a therapist for your narcissism.
Read some old threads. Get a feel for how the community works (in this case OT is ALLOWED for example) and then start posting and just keep posting and before you know it, YOU will also be a regular :)
Something weird just happened with Blogger over here.
Anita... You are so lucky! Your Sophie is a real gem.
Sleepless, you may have originally been thinking of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, which was in 1961 (April). My Uncle, who was career Navy, was stationed at Guantanamo during both the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missle Crisis. Very tense times.
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I was responding to a post (I don't see it now) about the Cuban Missile Crisis happening in 1961, and it just sounded about a year off. Those events were before my time, but I do find that period of history very interesting, especially the stories of bomb shelters being built under houses, and kids diving under their desks during drills at school. Did kids really understand what was going on, and the seriousness of a nuclear war?
O'Reilly's book really gets into the emotional aspect of what the President was going through, as well as Jackie's concern for her children during that time. Apparently it was more serious than anyone knew and the media reported. Kennedy wouldn't back down, and he knew that an attack could happen at any minute. You're right -- tense times and I wonder if he hadn't been President what the outcome of that Crisis would have been.
Kate probably would have said, "Nuclear bombs or whatever..."
ohh are we talking about Papillons and barking?
I have 2 that are dreadful barkers. I've tried everything with them (short of shock collars which I won't do) and nothing works.
I call one of them "The Informer" because she barks to tell you about EVERYTHING she thinks is wrong. If the cats are playing, if the cats are where she doesn't think they should be, if 2 of the dogs are playing she has to referee, if you pick up another dog she barks the entire time you are holding it. She does not bark at stuff outside though, go figure.
The other one barks at EVERYTHING outside, including imaginary things :(
My other Papillons don't bark very much. My chihuahua doesn't bark at all unless a Papillon has stolen something that belongs to her. Then she will let you know about it, but she shuts up if you just tell her to be quiet.
Poohbear that was great and so on point. Thanks!
We had " duck and cover " drills at my school district for earthquake safety. I would tell my students to get under the tables and cover their heads with their hands!
It was reported that during the last big earthquake in China that a whole kindergarten class had been killed when the roof of the school had fallen on them. They were found under their desks! That news report just broke my heart because it reminded me of my students who thought getting under those tables would save them! So, so sad!!!
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Thank you Admin :) My pleasure. It must be that time of year, I just went through this with another community I'm involved with.
I think a lot of people don't understand that people are likely actually friends OFF SITE as well and for some people this community is more than "just a blog" to them, having been here for years.
I'm not a very active poster here (and had to have a name change when someone sheepleish took my usual name), but I have read regularly since the beginning :)
Sleepless, I was in Jr. High during both the Bay of Pigs and the Missle Crisis, so, yes, I think we understood what was going on and what could happen. The "duck and cover" drills in early grade school -- not so much. I remember being afraid and my parents talking to me about it, but not a lot of the particulars. I had a father who had been Navy, an uncle who was career Navy, and another uncle who had also been Navy, so I was aware of that aspect of it and being afraid that my dad would have to go to war at some point. My parents made me understand that that would never happen (he was a disabled vet and his injury would have prevented him from serving any longer).
Admin...How kate says she is single,and you don't see single is a bad thing.OR you see nothing wrong with kate claiming she's single....I have to differ..
I am A single Mom.I have busted my ass every day.Doing everything I can for my kids.I'am alone in my effort,trying to lead my kids to everything I see as right..I'am the SOLE provider...My ex is 20 thousand dollars behind in support.He hasn't seen or talked to or given a shit about OUR kids in almost 10 years.I provide everything for them...I don't get weekends free or even a day free...My ex has NOTHING to do with "our" kids..He is a complete loser..I'm pissed...
I'am the one who goes to every conference...I'am the one who takes them to the doctor...and to school and to their friends houses...I'm not looking for kudos...This is what parents do....it's my/our job!!
Do I get frustrated? You bet!! I would love a day or 2 off...but I get none.
So when kate wants to say she is a single mom it just pisses me off.This woman has had help from day 1...Jon is not dead...he is there...taking the kids as much as she will allow.
I would love 1/2 the time kate gets for alone time.I wish my kids father would give a shit like Jon!
kate has NO clue what it means to be a single mom!
Kate you are a Child abuser and a Animal abuser!
I just said it doesn't bother me that she calls herself a single mom because all that means to me is she doesn't raise her kids in a two parent household. Jon is a single dad for the same reason.
I already know that some single moms work 100 times harder and have it 200 times worse off than Kate. Just like many people call themselves Mom, but that doesn't mean they are all good moms. I guess you could argue she has no right to call herself Mom either, but the fact is she is.
I understand the outrage at Kate painting herself as a single mom "doing it all on her own," as though John were dead and not contributing any time/$$ etc.
I'm curious though, don't most divorced women/men refer to themselves as single parents? I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to themselves as a "divorced mom," for example.
How do people think Kate should refer to herself?
Is it just the "doing it all by herself" part of her claiming to be a single mom that is the issue or is it something else?
I think her claims are despicable, of course. I just can't figure out what else she would call herself in our society, so I'm curious what others think she SHOULD call herself.
I'm looking for serious answers because lying hobag wouldn't really work in polite company ;)
If Shoka is alive and well, Kate is a nasty and abusive woman for not confirming his healthy well being. Or Shoka is not OK and no longer living on the property and Kate is abusive and nasty for playing games with her twitter followers. She is one sick human!
To me single mom means what it is, you don't have the children's father in the household. Single dad means what it is, you don't have the children's mother in the household.
I'm not sure where the connotation comes from, but it has never meant to me the other parent wasn't involved. It doesn't speak one way or the other about the other parent.
The problem is when talking about being a single mom she then goes on to imply she does it all, and that's a flat out lie and most of all, disrespectful to the children's father whom they adore. You never hear Jon acting like Kate isn't involved in their lives and that he does it all. On the contrary he makes a point to talk about her involvement, mentioning that he called her when the kids were sick. Even though, ironically, he probably is doing the bulk of it now that Kate has busied herself with whatever stupid project she is up to.
It's her sick parental alienation that makes her paint this disturbing and detrimental fantasy of Kate doing it all and Jon dead, and it's just one of the many things she needs massive help with in therapy. This woman needs to be in therapy five days a week every week for the next year to even begin to crack the surface of her mental illness.
I am watching the Betty Broderick (another famous narcissist) movies tonight. I've seen them before, but seeing her absolute obsession with her ex-husband makes me slightly worried for Jon.
At least Betty never abused her kids, in the strictest sense. It could be argued listening to the messages she left for her ex-husband and finally killing him wasn't great for them, but she wasn't actively mentally/physically abusing them like we know Kate has been doing to her kids.
I'm watching the trial now and watching the prosecutor with Betty on the stand is like her trying to nail jello to a tree. I imagine it's what trying to carry on any kind of conversation with Kate would be like.
I agree with you, Admin. That is pretty much exactly the way I feel about Kate re: single mother as well.
. Two of her children spoke at her parole hearing, asking the board to release their mother. Betty's other two children spoke against Betty, imploring the board to keep Betty incarcerated.
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I think it's always interesting to see how kids react all grown up. This is exactly what happened to Joan Crawford and why some of her sheeple never believed Christina, because some of Joan's other children say it never happened.
Anyway the point being just because some children have different perceptions of their mother doesn't mean the other children are lying.
Admin...didn't you say you really dont believe Christina? I have watched the "new" will's and Bio's...
I believe Christina...I believe Joan was a monster...there are too many stories to argue different.
People she (Joan) had worked with??/ fead stories too....
This woman was a star in her OWN time...she faded out and couldn't deal with it... Who does that sound like?
Admin...didn't you say you really dont believe Christina? I have watched the "new" will's and Bio's...
I believe Christina...I believe Joan was a monster...there are too many stories to argue different.
People she (Joan) had worked with??/ fead stories too....
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Ummmm, NO Starz I never said that. Never! I fully believe Christina's Crawford's story. Fully. We've talked about this a lot, shared some interviews she has done that are on youtube, I've never suggested I didn't believe her. Forgive me but I find it awfully suspicious you would suggest I ever said otherwise given that youve caused problems here in the past and even had to be banned once, call me jaded.
I'm just trying to point out that just because her younger siblings say they weren't abused doesn't mean SHE wasn't. I imagine that's exactly what will happen when the Gosselin kids are older. Hannah and maybe Mady will say their mother was wonderful and the sheeple will believe them and no one else.
Starz, more than a year ago I was talking about Christina and Christopher being "scapegoat" children of a narcissist, I wrote about it in my recap:
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2011/08/recap-kates-toughest-questions-part-1.html
In common usage, single mom means the dad is not in the picture at all or largely uninvolved (this is also how, as an editor, I would use the phrase myself). There are plenty of situations like this. What Kate is, and always has been, is a *divorced* mother. Huge difference.
Admin...I find myself wrong. I did believe that you said Christina was crucifying her mother and that you didn't believe her.
YES...I believe the Gosselin children will deal with the same.
These kids have no one to help them...they have NO ONE to back up their claims...
They have TLC and every "news" source backing kate...saying she was the loving mom...single mom doing it all for the kids...
The one thing everyone forgets is...The 8 have LIVED this...they will know who fucked them (wrong word) I know...and they will know who tried to help...
That will be this blog...This blog...The 15 minutes...tried to help..did all they could...contacted everyone they could to help the 8....
This is NOT Al's or polly's blog...trying to earn a buck...This is a blog exposing kate for what she is...A Child Abuser!
"I'm curious though, don't most divorced women/men refer to themselves as single parents? I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to themselves as a "divorced mom," for example."
I have seen people be referred to as a divorced parent. Believe me, Kate's "single mom" label is purposeful and part of her brand--she intends to give the impression she parents alone and that Jon isn't involved. All the more reason to garner sympathy and attract offers of assistance (in the form of freebies, job offers, etc.).
Again...I apoligize to Admin...I was wrong..
I am not a suck up...but I do believe,saying sorry when I have **cked up.
Maybe it was too much rumspringa..
(its like drinking the milk left over in my cinnamon crunch toast..only thicker)
I just wanted to say..kate gosselin is a Child Abuser!
I just want to chime in on Khate's journal entry-"bombs or whatever" Absolutely it was insensitive, but I think she wrote"whatever" to mean "bombs, or whatever you would call 2 airplanes crashing deliberately into the Towers"... Just picture her speaking those words. She knows it wasn't bombs that were used, but is so blase about 911, it's "or whatever it was"
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It's interesting that you brought up Betty Broderick....quite a different variety of narcissist. Hers was more of the "if I can't have you, nobody will"....more like the Glenn Close character in Fatal Attraction. She seemed to have been a good mother....but for the fact that she manipulated her kids in the battle between her and their father....but prior to her husband leaving...back when the family was intact and the children were younger....she seemed to have been a very good mother.
She still, to this day, sees herself as totally in the right.....as does Diane Downs...a woman who was never reported to have abused her children....but then killed and crippled them (to attract a man she wanted). I read a psych profile of her and there were multiple other diagnoses in addition to narcissism...one being histrionic personality disorder. I actually see more similarities between BB and DD when it comes to their particular narcissism issues. I think both probably have a significant histrionic personality disorder component.....whereas not so much with Kate G.
Kate doesn't exhibit the obsessive behavior towards men that Betty Broderick did.....though it will be interesting to watch her reaction if and when Steve up and leaves her. I highly doubt Jon would ever be in danger of any physical harm from her. Psychological harm? Yes but not physical. Both narcissists but with different features.
To me...."narcissistic abuser" fits Kate the best.
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Thanks for providing those journal entries. Boy, are they hard to read. No child should have to go through that but boy, just remembering how adorable those little tups were back then....it's just heart-breaking. Of note to me is the religious stuff she journaled about back then. I know that there are some religious people who believe in "spare the rod, spoil the child". Several of us have asked why she would have even documented the child abuse she did........and I'm wondering (after reading the religious parts)....if she may not have seen it as being as abusive as the rest of us do because of her family's religious beliefs?
I would love to be able to have some sort of time-line that would show exactly how much additional help....covering what hours....she had during the time she journaled about hitting them and pulling them by the hair. How much time she was actually alone with all 8 of them.
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Speaking of Shoka (and Nala, for that matter).....TLC used a similar plot-line on one of the HBB episodes....the "let's bring a new pet home" plot-line. So Sugar Bear/Alana's dad brought home one of those adorable little/miniature pot-bellied pigs (I think that's what they're called....they never get bigger than the size of a cat)....that they named "glitzy".
Long story short....the adorable little pig ended up going back to the breeder and it broke Alana's heart and it was very sad watching her holding glitzy like a baby in a blanket and sobbing (all caught on camera, of course).
Now....and probably influenced by the Gosselin pet debacle....they've made a big production of making sure they let everyone know the status of glitzy at the breeder's....on the TLC website and on info shown on the screen during episodes that refer you to the website for this info. BUT....I think it's rather cruel to have a "new-pet" plot line when the situation it's being brought into is clearly not one where the pet will be able to remain long-term.
In the HBB situation, the little pig was just too much work, there were too many people in that house with a new baby coming, and they already had a cat and possibly a dog or two.
In the Gosselin situation....Kate never wanted those dogs from day one.
Boy, is that little piggy cute, though.
I wonder if Dr Drew would agree to be interviewed and be asked some "tough" questions? He's responsible for giving us the Teen Mom franchise.
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I wonder if Dr Drew would agree to be interviewed and be asked some "tough" questions? He's responsible for giving us the Teen Mom franchise.
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I didn't realize he was involved in the Teen Mom franchise. I do know that Morgan J. Freeman is the producer.
Just my opinion....but a show like Teen Mom could have had some redeeming qualities in terms of showing teens how difficult it really is to have a baby at that age.......but they're making these teen moms into reality stars and ultimately sending the wrong message. Makes me feel a little disappointed in MJF.
Vanessa~
Did you get to see the interview of HBB last night by Dr. Drew?
I think he did a better job with it than he did with the Kate G. interview.....but then, I can't really make a great comparison because I could barely make myself even pay attention to any interview show with Kate G. on it because I could never stand to watch or hear her.
My initial impression of the HBB interview with him is that he seemed to have tailored it in a way that made me feel he's learned a few lessons from the Gosselin debacle (and possibly senses that the tide may be turning in terms of interviewers acknowledging the damage being done to these reality TV star children).....but maybe I'm being too hopeful. Time will tell.
It wasn't that he was tough with June....but she WAS squirming a bit and you could see she was having a bit of a struggle clinging to the party line (the talking points of which, I'm sure, she'd been made to review with TLC)....the whole "oh no, no harm to the kids....just living our normal life...kids love it"...yadda, yadda.
You could tell June was really put in a spot when Drew asked Alana if she liked being on TV and she yelled NO! and then said she didn't like fans all coming up to her....and a few other things that contradicted June's claims that Alana loved it.
Maybe I expected the worst...but I was pretty satisfied with Dr. Drew's interview. Many significant messages were sent to the audience thanks to the way he handled the interview, I think.
TLC and their phoney storylines...unbelievable about the pet pig. It's like they are conducting experiments to torture children, to get a dramatic reaction and the parents are ok with it. Sick.
I believe someone soon will come out with Shoka information. It is impossible for Kate to keep pretending. I think Robert's release of the book about the dog abuse knocked her for a loop. She got outed and she did herself in with her Shoka tales. Really, Jon should intervene if the dog is still at the Konpound. Shame on him because he knew she was mean to those dogs.
New thread, more book chapters, Admin?
Yes Teen Mom could very well be a platform to educate teens on the difficulties of being parents, but it isn't. Like alllll reality tv, it focuses on drama, alcohol, drugs, boyfriend/girlfriend hookups, breakups, cheating, physical abuse, jail...you get the jist. The same path you said June/Sugar Bear were taking. Dr Drew is a partner and contributor to this sensationalized dysfunction, along with his HBB Interview.
Why doensn't he ask the teen mom's own mothers
the hard questions he asked June?
Admin, I looked up current info on Betty Broderick as well and found that about the kids interesting.
Another interesting point about the kids, while it didn't say exactly which 2 were for and against, it did say that Kathy, which was the oldest daughter wanted her mother to come live with her and didn't think she should have to spend her later years behind bars.
It also said Dan, who was I believe, the first boy and the 3rd child was the one that said he felt like she could be a danger to society if she was released because she still had so much anger and hadn't moved on from what happened.
In the movies, the oldest daughter was definitely portrayed as being very much a peacekeeper between her parents and trying to keep her mom calm and to keep things smooth between her mom and dad after they divorced. She also is the one that told her mom to come to her house after Betty phoned her and told her that she had killed Dan and Linda.
In the movie, the oldest boy felt like it may have been partially his fault because he knew Betty had a gun and he didn't say anything to anyone about it.
The youngest boy was pretty young when it happened, probably 7 or so based on the movie. The second child, a girl, was a young teen 13-14ish in the movie, I'd say.
In my part of Ohio, yellow jackets tend to come into houses and cars now, to escape the night's cold.
Dee3 said:
Kate doesn't exhibit the obsessive behavior towards men that Betty Broderick did.....though it will be interesting to watch her reaction if and when Steve up and leaves her. I highly doubt Jon would ever be in danger of any physical harm from her. Psychological harm? Yes but not physical. Both narcissists but with different features.
I'm not sure I totally agree with this assessment, Dee. I agree, her obsession is not to the same degree that Betty's was (arguably still is), but she isn't exactly what I would call moving on.
They have been divorced for what? 3 years now? Yet she still talks about the divorce every. chance. she. gets.
Betty was a world class parental alienater and we know Kate is as well.
In Betty's case, Dan held all the cards. He had all the money, power etc. In Kate and Jon's case it is the reverse so I think that might be why we see a little less (at least in public) than with Betty/Dan. We do NOW know that Kate threatened Jon with legal action regarding keeping him away from the kids if he tried to stop the abuse according to The Book.
I do agree it will be interesting to see what happens if Steve flys the coop. I hope he doesn't have any bunnies!
Is she so cruel, so mentally ill, that she would say "hi Shoka" if the dog wasn't there and say it in front of the kids? Oh wait, I read Hoffman's book :( If RH knows anything about the dog, I wish he'd speak up.
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Other than when the dog reappeared,and them getting all excited for the camera, I don't recall any pictures of the kids actually interacting with him, other than one or two of them hitting him with a plastic bat. Never saw any of them actually petting or hugging that dog.
Admin,
I have a small suggestion that may help some of the newbie issues.
I know you don't want a lot of rules, but maybe putting a note some place around the rules area or in the side bar that OT is ALLOWED will help curb the STAY ON TOPIC posts from people that come here expecting to ONLY get news on Kate.
I think that is probably one of the things that riles up regulars the most in ANY community is some "young pup" that hasn't bothered to spend 10 seconds even getting to know the community coming in and having the audacity to DEMAND that people DO IT THEIR WAY!!!!!!
Many blogs are strictly on topic only and since there is nothing that says OT is allowed, I'm sure some of the newcomers think they are helping (even though it's always rude to enter a new community and immediately start dictating how things should be done).
I think we will probably start getting more and more new people as this story takes on more speed in the mainstream, particularly if Robert's book gets to be on sale for more than 2 minutes and we should probably be ready for when that happens.
Just my .02 speaking from experience :)
PoohBear said... 14
I am, as usual, behind on comments, but I wanted to comment on something from the previous thread regarding new people feeling like there are cliques, they are unwanted etc.
I can't help but wonder if the people that feel this way are either new to the internet or new to online communities.
In the many years I have been online, I have been a member of any number of online communities and have seen this complaint (and the ones that go with it like "the blog/forum/community is changing" "the blog/forum/community is not as fun/intelligent/etc as it used to be" "regular posters are leaving" "the blog/forum/community is dying" etc etc etc) too many times to count. This is pretty much just the natural, cyclic progression of online communities.
"Old-timers" change interests or get busy and leave, new "regulars" pop up, the community continues to thrive, life goes on.
What people don't seem to understand is that you can't "barge" into an established community that has been in place for YEARS and has an established community atmosphere, scream "I'M HERE, WORSHIP ME!" and expect that to go over well with the community.
If you do that kind of thing in real life, I can't imagine that you have a very successful social life. The same social rules that apply in real life apply in online communities. Just because it's online doesn't mean it's not real. The people behind the words being typed are still REAL people. They have been here for years and have forged relationships. Many people here probably communicate with each other off the blog, as well.
When you move to a new place, do you just barge in to a social setting and interrupt and expect everyone to immediately pay attention to you or do you slowly talk to people and get to know them and eventually people know you and you know them? Do you think that the people that have been friends for YEARS before they even knew you are being "cliquey" because they aren't falling all over themselves to pay attention to you when their good friend is talking to them and you have jumped in the middle of their conversation? If so, you need to drag Kate with you when you see a therapist for your narcissism.
Read some old threads. Get a feel for how the community works (in this case OT is ALLOWED for example) and then start posting and just keep posting and before you know it, YOU will also be a regular :)
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I am so far behind, once again...but what a GREAT post!
I'd love to know if you are responding to a particular post, because I've missed almost everything the past several days.
Just listened to Kate's set-up sing together and her hi to Shoka. Strange that NOT ONE of the kids joined in to say hi.
She becomes more of a manipulative fraud and more despicable by the day.
PoohBear said... 46
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Hope I don't get lambasted for this but if Betty Broderick wasn't such a narcissistic, histrionic and non-remorseful person...not to mention, a murderer....I'd have almost felt sorry for her because Dan really did screw her over legally, financially, etc.
Now to be fair...perhaps he'd not have gone to those lengths if she'd not been acting the way SHE was.....but in some ways, I think it was an extremely poor choice he made to almost...don't know what the best word would be....wave a red flag....in front of someone who was clearly not mentally stable at that point.
My guess is that he repeatedly responded punitively to her behavior (the phone messages, etc.) but to me, it turned out to be a bad choice for him (and for his new wife). It almost seemed to me that he was playing with fire but was a little too arrogant to really heed the alarm bells.
But with Kate G.....I don't see her ever shooting (or running over with her car) Jon or any woman he associates with. Not a guarantee, of course...but I just don't see her going that far.
They have been divorced for what? 3 years now? Yet she still talks about the divorce every. chance. she. gets.
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I would add that it is the interviewers that keep on asking, too. BUT, the thing is, Kate can't get it through her head that she should have given them NOTHING about the kids' dad, nothing.
Not, "I wish he'd see the kids more", or "Oh, you don't know half of it!", or of course, "I wait by the phone for the kids to call" and there's always, "he's doing better....now".
Anyone knows she'll knock Jon any chance she gets and so they want ratings and sound bites and Kate obliges. My gosh, she made an entire press junket out of Jon allegedly "stealing" money from an account. Who the frickity frick does that?
And Kate's trying way too hard to blow off Jon's "this girlfriend, that girlfriend" is so obvious!
This was just posted on A Minor Consideration's FB page:
Hey Team Kids...today, Wednesday the 24th of October, the Rep Tom Murt Bill goes to Governor Corbett for signature in Pennsylvania!
Victory, and I wanted you who visit this site to be the first to know.
Thanks for your support...and while you're here, remember that two of our greatest champions, Rep Thomas Murt and Janet Palazzato, both dealt with the passing of their fathers during this campaign and never lost their focus. Our hearts go out to them even as we celebrate this major victory in the home state of The Gosselin Family. No child should be forced to work in the world of entertainment without adequate protections and compensation. Hooray, Pennsylvania. Thank You, one and all. Paul Petersen
Kate is a Twit said...52
Hurray! Such a huge accomplishment! I know firsthand just how hard it is to get a bill considered by a legislative body, much less passed into law. No small feat--this is HUGE.
We (ahem, those with twitter & Facebook accounts) should post the news far and wide! Adding @tlc and @kateplusmy8 to your tweets would be an extra nice touch. :)
Improbable Dreams said... 53
Kate is a Twit said...52
Hurray! Such a huge accomplishment! I know firsthand just how hard it is to get a bill considered by a legislative body, much less passed into law. No small feat--this is HUGE.
We (ahem, those with twitter & Facebook accounts) should post the news far and wide! Adding @tlc and @kateplusmy8 to your tweets would be an extra nice touch. :)
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P.S. Deserves a new post, don't you think? If Admin's got the time and inclination to write one... :)
I'll admit I got a little down when it seemed that the gears stopped turning on the bill Rep. Murt was working on. I am elated to hear that what Jodi and Kevin went through, and their testimony and efforts to bring awareness to the filming process has been well worth it.
I know they were attacked for going public with the REAL state of J+K's marriage, their arrangement for filming and the fact that the kids needed a break from the constant cameras. First and foremost it was Kate who went on the attack and accused them of making gobs of money and moving into a bigger house on the backs of her kids. Pot or kettle, Kate?
I think the "star power" that Murt brought to the table with Paul Peterson, Allison Angrim and Gloria Alred helped to raise awareness and get the story out there.
Kate would have you believe that they were all in it to make money, which no one did. Traveling to PA to be part of the hearings was done out of their own pockets.
I hope that this story gains traction in the media. Although it was certainly the Gosselins kids who were the impetus to get the child labor laws changed in PA, they are now apparently out of the spotlight. Hopefully, the discussion can go beyond the G's and PA to kids like HBB who, have no doubt, are supporting the family and it's disgusting.
A comment on AMC's FB page regarding HBB, from Janet Palazzotto:
Janet Palazzotto
I am always saddened by any of the headlines we see nowadays about those who grew up in this crazy untamed "showbiz" world but never have I been so disturbed by the hundreds of parents who have thrown their children to the wolves in an even more exploitive and untamed part of this industry called "reality TV".. I recently watched a little child from down south..Honey Boo Boo take a tour on National TV and was disturbed at what I saw in her actions and how not one person interviewing this family ever spoke about child labor protections or labor regulations or guidelines being followed to protect this young girl's welfare..her images or how she might be exploited along the way because reality TV is not regulated, especially in states that are void of any child labor regulations for minors in entertainment. Not ONE has gone down this path to talk about a Federal child labor exemption for minors in entertainment since 1938. The only thing they did was to give the producers of these shows a boost and encourage the continued exploitation and attract more parents who will sign anything for the price of fame, even if it puts their child's life in jeopardy. This is a sad, sad world.
I watched 5 minutes of HBB with Dr Drew last night...only so I can make more comments based on what I see rather than just articles and promotional clips.I also wanted to see what all the hoopla is about.
Based on all of the above, I don't think this show can last much longer. Alana's behavior is the same, over and over- silly, hyper or rude. It may be funny to some in a 7 year old, but not to me. I think either that child had had too much Go Go juice ( Mt Dew and Red Bull) or is actually ADHD (JMO) Dr Drew even hinted at that.
I was not impressed with June- what she said, her child contradicted, such as if she was treated differently at school now and if Alana enjoyed the show.I got the feeling she is a tough woman and I wouldn't want to tangle with her.Being the manager for the family can only lead to further exploitation.She really is pushing Alana to do these interviews- probably bribing her.(as mentioned, McDonald, for one)It was hard for her to answer above HBB's noise.
Kate is a twit said... 52
This was just posted on A Minor Consideration's FB page:
Hey Team Kids...today, Wednesday the 24th of October, the Rep Tom Murt Bill goes to Governor Corbett for signature in Pennsylvania!
Victory, and I wanted you who visit this site to be the first to know.
Thanks for your support...and while you're here, remember that two of our greatest champions, Rep Thomas Murt and Janet Palazzato, both dealt with the passing of their fathers during this campaign and never lost their focus. Our hearts go out to them even as we celebrate this major victory in the home state of The Gosselin Family. No child should be forced to work in the world of entertainment without adequate protections and compensation. Hooray, Pennsylvania. Thank You, one and all. Paul Petersen
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Congratulations to ALL that worked so hard to see this bill go through!
And a special thank you to Paul Petersen.
He is the real deal- God bless him.
This is the link for AMC's FB page. There are several posts about HBB, and also about the Boy Scout scandal.
http://www.facebook.com/minorcon
Paul made this post about HBB:
I had one of those "moments" last Friday night when I had a chance to talk to three teenagers before a high school football game...ordinary girls who watched "Honey Boo Boo," and found the show "funny" and "a hoot." They weren't concerned about the future impact, or the grinding display of ignorance, or even the possibilities of real harm coming to "Honey Boo Boo" in an uncertain future when she'
ll have to relate to others her own age. None of it mattered. They watch on their cell phones and share the most telling moments in brief clips (the way Teens watch things these days). "It's just like a cartoon," I was told. "None of it's real."
I was left wondering who is going to explain that to the very young child at the center of this controversial show.
Paul Petersen
Children on reality shows should be illegal. HBB is 7 yrs old. She goes to school all day, has a full time job and does pageants on weekends (which probably requires weekly practices, then hair/makeup prep,ect).
The Hoffman book states the G family was filming 40 hrs a WEEK....how is HBB getting any free time of her own if she spends the majority of her day in school?
(don't get me started on pageants...blech!)
The current post addresses the Penn State scandal. This one isn't any different from recent ones (BSA and Catholic). The common denominator in all of them is MONEY. Guilty parties shut their mouths and closed their eyes to the abuse due to fear of losing their jobs ($), threatening their organizations ($), loss of their brand ($) and so on and so on.
Since when is money more important than a child?
Even though legislation passed in PA, didn't the child work hours extend to 48 per WEEK? That doesn't sound like a resounding victory for the kids.
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As far as posting excerpts from the book, I hope Mr. Hoffman didn't mind. I would say if Mr. Hoffman had been in the Penn State shower that day, Jerry Sandusky would have been eating the shower floor. Mr. Hoffman isn't afraid to do what is right. I wish there were more people that put the safety and well-being of children ahead of all else.
Mr. Hoffman, you gave the children a voice. Thank you.
Pink: Thanks for the wonderful news! That is a major victory.I have the utmost respect for Paul Petersen.
I also agree with his comments on HBB- people don't see her or her family as real- they think it's staged and she is playing a part. She is working but it is a real child caught in this trap.
I want to add my thanks not only to Paul Petersen, but also to Jodi and Kevin, who had the guts to go against TLC and testify at these hearings.
I'm not happy about the 48 hours either, but at least it requires a set teacher and that a parent or guardian be present during filming.
Remember when Kate went to NYC for her birthday, and the kids were left with Ashley? One of the biggest points made here were how could they film the kids when no parent was present.
Kate is a twit~
Thanks so much for all that facebook information. I'm not on any of the social media sites so wouldn't have seen this if you'd not posted it.
I think it's telling that Paul P. and Janet Palazzotto have both mentioned HBB....I think it's telling. TLC may have gone too far this time....only time will tell.
I think one of the big reasons they are mentioning this show specifically is that out of all the family shows with children (Duggars, etc.), HBB is the one that has thrown the child exploitation topic back out there....in the biggest way since the Gosselins.
I really hope that this legislation goes national, for the sake of HBB and the next HBB once this HBB flames out, and you know she will.
After reading dee3's posts yesterday, i went to YouTube and picked an episode to try to watch. And yes, *try* to watch. It's inane and silly and HBB is drinking up the attention like a sponge.
What really got me was when Alana was doing her confessional interview, she kept PULLING UP HER SHIRT! Is there no parent or guardian there? I don't think she had a nip slip, but it was close and I don't even think she was aware that she just about exposed her chest (yes, she's a little girl, but...). Someone, hell, anyone on the camera crew, male or female, should have stopped the filming and said, "Alana, honey, little girls don't do that, they keep their shirts on". Do any of them have a little girl? How would they feel if it were their little girl lifting up her shirt on national tv?
If that were my little girl (and it would never be, but if) I'd be LIVID that first of all, she was pulling her shirt up over and over again but that TLC decided to air it!
Where is the protective instinct? I would be fierce and pity the fool who let this air!
The actor, Morgan Freeman, is not the same person as the producer, Morgan J. Freeman.
http://movieline.com/2010/04/07/16-and-pregnant-creator-morgan-j-freeman/
I heard Carrie Ann Innaba on a local radio show this morning. She was talking about a fund-raiser she was doing for one of her charities....The Humane Society.
No wonder she didn't take to Kate. People who are sensitive to dogs can sense a dog-beater a mile away.
Tuckers' mom:
Apparently HBB's catch phrase is " I holla (holler) for my dolla! " (dollar) So I don't think anyone would be concerned about her antics,sadly.I agree about the 'try' to watch that- I found 5 minutes plenty yet enough to have an opinion.
Admin...I find myself wrong. I did believe that you said Christina was crucifying her mother and that you didn't believe her.
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Are you kidding me? No, I never remotely said that.
This link gives information on the bill. It has the history of the bill, the vote on the bill and also what looks like the final amended draft of the bill. The vote in both the house and senate were only a few votes short of being unanimous.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billinfo/BillInfo.cfm?syear=2011&sind=0&body=H&type=B&bn=1548
I'll do a post on the bill when it's signed and it's official.
Kate is a twit said... 69
This link gives information on the bill. It has the history of the bill, the vote on the bill and also what looks like the final amended draft of the bill. The vote in both the house and senate were only a few votes short of being unanimous.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/billinfo/BillInfo.cfm?syear=2011&sind=0&body=H&type=B&bn=1548
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I just clicked on one of the links to browse through the bill a bit and found this:
PROHIBITED YOUTH PEDDLING ALSO INCLUDES SUCH PROMOTION
ACTIVITIES AS THE HOLDING, WEARING OR WAVING OF SIGNS,
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Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
JudyK - My post wasn't in response to any one post in particular. There were just several "handslapping" stay on topic posts and a few "newbies aren't welcome," "there are cliques" posts that I saw in the last couple posts. I'm still trying to catch up on the last thread. I'm just reading this last page on this one since I'm posting on it.
Dee3 - I agree with you regarding Betty. By all accounts until Dan had the affair, she was a great mother and an almost perfect "lawyer's wife." She kept the home spectacularly, threw parties, was well liked in their social circle, etc.
Dan really was a prick and had she not gone off the deep end, I'm sure people would have rallied around her.
She worked to put him through both med school AND law school. She worked through most if not all of her pregnancies, including one that ended with a baby boy that died 2 days after birth, which was a really rough pregnancy.
She held everything together during all the lean years and then once he REALLY started making money, he starts the affair with someone half his age and she's not good enough anymore. That would be crazy-making for anyone, let alone someone with her probably very carefully controlled mental state up to that point.
Regarding his punitive system, he eventually started "fining" her out of the payments he was making to her. $100/vulgarity she left on his answering machine. One month when he was due to pay her $9,000, she ended up OWING him $1,000.
She drove her car through his front door, she burned all his suit, she broke in and spray painted his walls and everything on them. He had to have a pretty good idea that poking her with sharp sticks was not a great idea, but he was very arrogant and he thought he could do what he wanted.
At one point he was paying her $16,000 a month, which sounds like a lot until you know that he was making $300,000 a month.
Their divorce took something like 4 years and was, of course, horribly contentious. In the end, he paid her something like $30,000. He was a multi-millionaire by this time.
I'm sure she was just eaten up inside and again if she didn't have the mental disorders she did would have been SUCH a sympathetic person.
It's a sad story, really.
aggiemom09121416 said... 60
As far as posting excerpts from the book, I hope Mr. Hoffman didn't mind. I would say if Mr. Hoffman had been in the Penn State shower that day, Jerry Sandusky would have been eating the shower floor. Mr. Hoffman isn't afraid to do what is right. I wish there were more people that put the safety and well-being of children ahead of all else.
Mr. Hoffman, you gave the children a voice. Thank you.
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aggiemom, I tend to agree with you that Mr. Hoffman wouldn't mind. What you're doing is keeping the book's contents alive while the litigation is ongoing. These excerpts (in my opinion) won't prevent anyone from buying the ebook when it again becomes available. (You are not a party to the lawsuit--he himself probably can't post any of the content right now? Just a guess.)
The passages demonstrate the book's credible content and keeps Hoffman's ideals in the forefront of people's minds. It might HELP sales. The content you have posted here will show up in google searches as well.
Mr. Hoffman's choice of $8.88 as a price was fabulous. He could have easily asked for $9.99 (typical Kindle price). But the jab at Kate, despite the dollar lost per sale, was awesome.
I have a copy of the ebook, but I'm sure those who don't have one appreciate the excerpts very much and the time you take to post them.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 70
I'll do a post on the bill when it's signed and it's official.
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Thanks, Admin. Is it possible to connect this bill-signing with some related journal entries via RH's GOSSELIN BOOK?
For example: what was TLC's culpability in/response to this? And what did Kate do/not do behind the scenes when the bill was first proposed and then made its way through the legislature?
Wow, it'd be interesting to see the point-counterpoint and interplay, as expressed by Kate and TLC. Their words, their actions (and inactions), speak volumes.
Tucker's Mom said... 64
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If you get a chance, catch episode #9 and FF to almost the end to catch the part where they keep filming little Alana with her hand over her nose...while they play "circus parade" music and just keep filming...and filming...and rolling the credits while still filming. It will make you want to cry for the child.
I'm starting to think that one unfortunate consequence of the whole Kate/Gosselin phenomenon is that I'm seeing HBB supporters (out on the internet) commenting that everyone should leave this family alone because "they all love each other".......as if....as long as the mother isn't Kate Gosselin....everything is okay.
I'm seeing comments saying...well, they're not the Gosselins...or...they're not the Kardashians.
Kate Gosselin was an aberration. A severe narcissist. MOST families love each other....there's nothing really exceptional about that. There are hundreds of moms and grand-moms here on just this blog who all loved and still love their children and grandchildren. That's what families are supposed to do.
Just because the HBB family members love each other....doesn't mean their children aren't being exploited. Love and exploitation are not mutually exclusive.
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Oh good....that's a relief. Glad to know it's not the same Morgan Freeman who I so highly respect. Thanks for that info.
It's unfortunate because the Teen Mom concept could have been utilized so much better. There was one episode....and can't remember the name of the teen but the boyfriend wanted to ride in the rodeo (if that rings a bell) and they had great footage of their baby getting up over and over and over during the night and these 2 poor teens getting more and more exhausted.....and this is the type of thing that teens contemplating pregnancy need to see.
But then they make big reality stars out of them and next thing you know....you see Farrah in a pretty fancy apartment in a new city (can't remember...in FLA?) with her toddler....and then the whole dynamic starts looking attractive to these teens who want to grown up too fast.
I haven't seen every HBB episode. I did see the T & T show with HBB competing. It has been quite awhile, so my summary here will probably have some flaws.
Anyone else recall?
Once they arrived at the venue for the competition, Mama June decides that Alana should actually practice on the stage. Alana does not want to. She tries being silly and cute to avoid practice. June insists. Edit...cut. Then a miniature bat shows up on the edge of the stage near June. Alana has suddenly begun practicing, but she is crying. June gestures some threats. Alana is obviously upset and cautious. When they get ready to leave the auditorium, Alana is crying. June grabs her arms, yanks her, and traps Alana against a wall and whispers angrily in Alana's ear. We get the captions....something to the effect. Dry it up. Don't you dare go out there acting like this. She actually says there are cameras out there. I don't recall the actual words, but I remember they were all threats. June seems unaware that she is being filmed at the moment.
I always wondered what the bat was for. I think June might have had her own version of the spanker spoon.
PoohBear said... 72
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Thank you SO much for reminding me of the details of the BB case. I've never seen the movie but have seen multiple true crime-type TV stories of her case and I think I also read a book where she was one of several "female murderers" so her story was a portion of the book......but it had been some time since I'd seen or read of her....and was trying to recall the facts. And yes....what you wrote sounds exactly like what I remember.
It's really unfortunate that she has so little remorse when interviewed because it makes it difficult to like her....but had she been a woman treated this way and not done the vindictive and crazy things she did, I would have been completely sympathetic to her and would like to think that others where she lived would have too.
Dan really did treat her despicably, IMO....and but for the fact that he was murdered, I had little sympathy for him and found him unlikeable. Do you think he would have treated her as badly had she behaved more normally? Or do you think he'd have totally screwed her over anyway?
Poor BB had been quite beautiful when she was young.....but then became middle-aged and overweight and he dumped her for someone much younger. And she'd devoted almost her young adult life being supportive (and even supporting when he was in school) to him and to their family. And then he just treated her abominably.
I remember BB saying that he had all the power when it came to the legal community because he was a respected attorney....and that because of this, she'd had no chance when it came to fighting him in court. I wonder....had she acted differently.....if he would have not been able to win over her in court to the extent that he was able.
I think it's a cautionary tale for anyone in that situation who has an ex who is going off the deep end like she was. Nobody deserves to be murdered but not only was it clear she was a danger, but like I said...he seemed to be arrogantly waving red flags in front of an enraged bull....and not only did he lose his own life but so did his new wife.
Not only that.......but I think he also damaged his children by doing this and just making the situation worse for them.
FYI for those of you that don't have FB accounts-
You can still read the posts on A Minor Consideration's FB page. If a pop-up screen shows asking you to sign up or log-in just close that screen, and the page will appear.
Kate is a twit said... 62
I want to add my thanks not only to Paul Petersen, but also to Jodi and Kevin, who had the guts to go against TLC and testify at these hearings.
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Can't you just hear Kate's response to this... "Yeah, um it's um something about kid actors...or whatever".
It was two years ago at the Santa Monica book signing I asked Kate what she thought of the new child labor laws in PA Murt was trying to push through. She stared at me like a deer in headlights and Steve hauled me away.
What do you think of them NOW Kate? I'm guessing you still have the same blank look.
How embarrassing, a bill pushed through your state just because of YOU! LOL.
Wow look at the parallels:
(CNN) -- For years, as Lance Armstrong basked in the glow of an adoring public, his critics frequently were banished to the shadows, dismissed by the cycling legend and his coterie as cranks or worse.
Now, with Armstrong stripped of his titles and endorsement deals, those who spoke out against him before it was the popular thing to do are feeling vindicated.
"Eleven years of bullying and threats," Kathy LeMond, the wife of cyclist Greg LeMond -- one of Armstrong's earliest targets -- wrote on Twitter. "LA is now the Greatest Fraud in the History of Sports."
How embarrassing, a bill pushed through your state just because of YOU! LOL.
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Yep and I'll bet she's oblivious to it.
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Funny you mention that....but after watching all the available HBB episodes on youtube....I wanted to see Alana in T&T....but I can't figure out how to tell which episodes have Alana in them.....so haven't watched any of them yet......until I can figure this out.
But the MAIN reason I wanted to see her on T&T is that I keep reading various comments all over the internet where people are referring to June, on T&T, being filmed disciplining Alana in a rather severe way that is now NEVER seen ever since they got the show (either ON the show or in interviews, etc.).....so I want to see this footage to see it for myself.
Does June truly not discipline her children much? Was she just having a bad day that one day on T&T? OR....is TLC (in response to all the recent bad Kate G. press) intentionally making it look like June doesn't discipline her kids?
And BTW.....as far as comments go....some lambaste her for not disciplining Alana and her other children and others see that as being a loving mother...so the comments are all over the map.
Very hard to tell.....but for the past few years...there were a whole lotta things we suspected but never knew for sure about the Gosselin situation...so could only speculate on and look for clues.
In common usage, single mom means the dad is not in the picture at all or largely uninvolved (this is also how, as an editor, I would use the phrase myself).
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I have to disagree, single mom in common usage doesn't tell you anything except that the other parent doesn't live with you. I've heard plenty of people say, I'm a single mom, but I get along great with their dad and he's very involved. Or, I'm a single mom and I haven't seen their dad in four years. Without explaining what the situation is with the dad, those two words don't tell you much.
Dmasy--Good to see back. You've been missed!
TLC has reality check issues in many arenas it seems. While doing some debate reading the other day, I tripped into a UK Daily Mail article about the Breaking Amish show. According to this report, at least two of the young women have been married and divorced. There were wedding pictures. And the one who is now 'engaged' to one of the young men has been involved with him for awhile, they have a baby together. Another picture of one with a DUI arrest. Seriously TLC?
True confession - I still watch Say Yes To The Dress on that channel, habit from watching with my bride to be daughters a few years back. While I can see the heavy editing/scripting, the explotation factor is minimal.
The HBB saga is not going to end well for anyone. Vety sad for this little grl.
How embarrassing, a bill pushed through your state just because of YOU! LOL.
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LOL here too. Kate had a choice. She could have acted on behalf of her kids and other kids in PA to effect laws that do Reality TV correctly. She could have been a consultant, given her vast experience with RTV.
Instead, she dug her heels in and acted like it was a witch hunt, and I disagree that was the case.
I do wonder if this puts the final kabosh on any aspirations Kate has to get the kids back on tv again. I can not imagine for the life of me, Kate putting up with a set teacher and rules, because, you know, they don't apply to her.
Not even time nor gravity applies to Kate (cough, cough)!
PoohBear said... 14
I am, as usual, behind on comments, but I wanted to comment on something from the previous thread regarding new people feeling like there are cliques, they are unwanted etc.
I can't help but wonder if the people that feel this way are either new to the internet or new to online communities.
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Your entire post is so beautifully said! I love the term 'our online community', to describe this site.
In a different part of my life, I needed to do an in-depth study of Betty Broderick. There are 3 books written specifically about her. "Until the Twelfth of Never" by Bella Stumbo is the most balanced and detailed. It is an excellent read.
I had a brief correspondence "realtionship" with Betty at her current address in the California Inst. for Women.
The story is complex. Neither Dan or Betty presented themselves well.
I have strong opinions that are based on solid information. The prosecutor at both of Betty's trials was Kerry Wells. She is probably the person who grasped the closest reality of who/what/where fault. She invested years of her life in exacting some justice. She cared deeply for the welfare of Betty's four children.
Kate is a Twit -- thank you. I missed everyone here, too. I had snatches of time to read posts. The friends I traveled with made fun of me because in free moments, I headed straight to my iPad and logged onto this site.
Great posts. Always something happening.
(CNN) -- For years, as Lance Armstrong basked in the glow of an adoring public, his critics frequently were banished to the shadows, dismissed by the cycling legend and his coterie as cranks or worse.
Now, with Armstrong stripped of his titles and endorsement deals, those who spoke out against him before it was the popular thing to do are feeling vindicated.
"Eleven years of bullying and threats," Kathy LeMond, the wife of cyclist Greg LeMond -- one of Armstrong's earliest targets -- wrote on Twitter. "LA is now the Greatest Fraud in the History of Sports."
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What amazes me is there are still people saying he is innocent.
I've known he was guilty of doping for years ....no one is that dominant that long without something illegal going on.
I guess I am a pessimist, but I've always thought the same of college football....if a team dominates for years and years, there is some illegal recruiting going on, boosters are palming money to recruits, that sort of thing. I was in college around the time SMU received the Death Penalty for their dirty dealing..their program still hasn't recovered almost 30 yrs later.
I thought he was doping because people were coming forward saying he was. I think you can still work hard and win a lot without enhancements. To me that's not strong enough evidence in and of itself to prove anything.
Another parallel.
Why would people come forward and say such outrageous, "libelous" things about someone so famous if it weren't true?
Why would they risk everything?
Um, duh sheeple, because it was true therefore they could say it without fear.
Tucker's Mom said... 88
LOL here too. Kate had a choice. She could have acted on behalf of her kids and other kids in PA to effect laws that do Reality TV correctly. She could have been a consultant, given her vast experience with RTV.
Instead, she dug her heels in and acted like it was a witch hunt, and I disagree that was the case.
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Her lawyers may have to sit down with her with a box of crayons and write it in big easy words so she can understand... 'KATE, YOU BROUGHT THIS LAW INTO BEING'.
I'm just afraid she'll take it as a compliment. Sigh.
IMDB doesn't list Dr. Drew as being involved in Teen Mom. Also, Morgan J. Freeman is not the same person as Morgan Freeman the movie star. Just clearing up a couple of things. Personally, I think the Teen Mom thing is despicable. Those girls needed support and caring and EDUCATION, not tabloidization.
On Lance, yes there were a lot of reports of supposed doping (I forgot to mention that, it just corroborated my belief he was doing some enhancing somehow).
If something seems to good to be true,it probably is.
"Eleven years of bullying and threats," Kathy LeMond, the wife of cyclist Greg LeMond -- one of Armstrong's earliest targets -- wrote on Twitter. "LA is now the Greatest Fraud in the History of Sports."
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It took eleven years yes, but Karma doesn't keep track of time.
See I think you CAN work hard and win a lot without enhancements. I think there are some pure, unadulterated sports stories out there about winning and that people like Lance who CHEAT take away from the people who got there without cheating.
For example, I don't think there's been a shred of evidence Michael Phelps has ever done anything illegal to enhance performance. Sure he did marijuana in the off season but that wouldn't help a bit with anything. I think he just works his butt off. These are the people we should be getting behind who really did it just by hard work.
There is a new post about Rep. Murt that will fire away as soon as the bill passes. Either me or my helpers were publish it so watch for it.
Hey Kate, here's an irony for you....all those legislators, aides, attys, secretaries, etc, etc, all made money while working on a law concerning your family. And no one makes money off your family but you, right Kate?
I don't know how this woman shows her face in public.
Anyone think Kate will use her own money to go to the LA R&R marathon this weekend? Or will she say the kids have blah blah so she has to stay home?
I don't think Kate will be running in LA on her own dime. I think she moved up her LA trip to see lawyers, maybe film and play with her tweenie buddy from NY last week, on her dime or somehow deducting as a 'business' expense. But if her travel expenses are not being comped, I think she's running in her driveway.
readerlady:
Dr Drew does the final shows on Teen mom seasons a called Checkup with Dr drew. Often the fathers and the girls' parents show up as well as the babies.
Dmasy: I didn't see that T and T bit... when you said 'bat' I thought you meant the creature..then I realized. Hope was a prop? Yikes. I think most of those pageant moms are scary- live vicariously through reluctant children, even babies with wigs and false teeth ( flippers)
Dr. Drew Dr. Phil. Dr. Oz. Pffft. It's all about the 'brand' and the paycheck.
I hate the new law! I haven't read it but children can work up to 48 hours a week+ school? Can work til 10:00 PM on a school night?horrible law!!
The only good part is the set teacher. The set teacher would have saved the Gosselin kids from Kate's beating for not doing what they were told during filming!
I feel bad for Paul Petersen because I know he tried but all he got are crumbs!
As a parent and teacher I can say that law is horrible!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
AuntieAnn said
Dr. Drew Dr. Phil. Dr. Oz. Pffft. It's all about the 'brand' and the paycheck.
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I am in agreeance! I don't watch any of them. blech!!!!!!!
Let's Throw Tomatoes--the law isn't perfect, but it finally addresses children who work in Reality TV. Previously, the law addressed child labor, but Reality TV was not included and was subject to interpretation. Now there are specifics governing Reality TV.
On HBB, Alana's older sister, Anna, had a baby (Kaitlyn) over the summer (August, I believe). According to reports, earlier this month (10/7), the infant was in the Miss Southern Princess Pageant, placed 5th and won "People's Choice"....there are photos of her on the internet in her crown.
My question is....if you start entering your child in pageants when they are 2 months old....how do you even know that they want to be in them? By the time they become toddlers, don't they just assume this is what they are supposed to be doing/this is what mom wants me to do?
Great news about the Gosselin bill. We should have a rumspringa party when it's signed.
I can't see KK putting up with a set teacher. I think her reaction would be the same as it was when she was photographed whaling away on Leah for blowing a whistle. "I'm the parent and I'll decide how to discipline/treat/exploit MY children."
Does anyone here remember the MaryBeth Tinning case? She was an upstate NYer who murdered 9 babies -- 8 of her natural born children and one adopted -- due to Munchausen by Proxy. Her firstborn was sickly and never left the hospital. Apparently she got off on the attention and sympathy. She had 7 more children and kept showing up in the ER with a dead or dying baby in her arms. It wasn't until a 9th child, who was adopted, died the same way that someone began to suspect that it wasn't natural. Before, the doctors were thinking it was some type of rare genetic anomaly causing it. Death had been attributed to SIDS. She's currently serving 20 - life for the murder of her youngest and is up for parole (for the 3rd time) in January.
My question is....if you start entering your child in pageants when they are 2 months old....how do you even know that they want to be in them?
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I'd rather see Mom's get their pageant fix at this age than older. An infant doesn't know or care if she's at a pageant, a rodeo or the mall. As long as they are kept on their schedule, I think it's fine.
Start to push them to perform and adopt a Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver or a Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman persona, and you're pretty much sucking as a parent.
Tear up your card and give back the decoder ring.
From a news channel update:
'Honey Boo Boo is on her latest media tour. From Extra to Jimmy Kimmel, "You better rednecknognize," said Honey Boo Boo. The crowd recognized one of her favorite sayings. She went from interview to interview, acting up.
Now there are some people questioning all the attention on Honey Boo Boo. "I honestly think people are doing a disservice to this child," says Sharon Osbourne. Sharon Osbourne's family had their own reality show."I think 7 is way too young," says Osbourne.
'The media grind can leave you pooped. Honey Boo Boo's family seems to be exceptionally loving, but that didn't stop people on line from posting dire predictions. "This will end badly." already she's been portrayed on SNL, debuted on South Park and been mentioned by the president, "Honey Boo Boo endorsed me."
Fantastic new article by Sue Buddy.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981665512
Perfectly said, Sue. Thank you.
aggiemom09121416 said... 105
AuntieAnn said
Dr. Drew Dr. Phil. Dr. Oz. Pffft. It's all about the 'brand' and the paycheck.
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I am in agreeance! I don't watch any of them. blech!!!!!!!
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I won't either. Yet there are people (like my mother) who hang on to their every word.
But she will argue with HER medical doctor when she visits him. lol! Celebrity doctors seem to have a magical influence over some folks.
I don't know that I feel up to a Rumpspringa celebration. This is a serious issue, for which many people worked long and hard, and for a very long time. They sacrificed a great deal to make this happen.
I don't think we need to don sackcloth and ashes, but we should mark the occasion with something equally serious, to help demonstrate to the world that we're not a vindictive lot. And to show them that this isn't just about Kate and/or Jon and the Gosselin 8.
We're bearing witness to the demise, long-overdue, of child exploitation/opportunism in Pennsylvania. But there's still work to be done, in other states. And the implementation & enforcement of laws isn't typically a smooth and uneventful path.
I'm feeling victory with this bill, although not perfect, I'd have to say that a set teacher is right up there at the top of my list.
This could have prevented a litany of scenarios when filming the G8. Among them, being naked, pulling pants down and exposing genitals, urinating and defecating on the potty, filming in 103 degree heat from morning until night, disallowing Kate to smack kids awake when they were passed out from exhaustion, 6/7 kids becoming sea sick and vomiting, becoming drenched in their emesis and NOT turning the boat around in favor of "getting the shot" deep sea fishing and even more than that, someone with their head on straight would have prepped for the deep sea fishing venture (that is naturally fraught with peril) with medications, fresh shirts, towels, soda, crackers etc.
I think it's paramount that there is someone on set that has no financial investment in pushing until the shot is captured, or a little too far into the day or a little too far past meal time.
Tucker's Mom said... 87
Not even time nor gravity applies to Kate (cough, cough)!
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Hahahahahahaha - good one!
OT...way off OT. Our home is invaded Steven King/Alfred Hitchcock style with boxelder bugs. They look much like a lightening bug. They are outside. When the sun shines on the side of a building they swarm. There will be dinner plate sized clumps of them crawling all over each other -- ugh! There are thousands of them trying to find a hibernation spot in our siding and under the eaves. We knew we had a personal problem when we learned our nearest country neighbors did not have any of these bugs at their homes.
We actually called in an exterminator. I would only consider chemical warfare because the invasion is so severe. We got some useful info from the bug killer tech, but decided not to use their service. We learned that cold weather will not kill them. And that if we don't terminate this generation, next Fall we will have even more. (If that could be possible.)
I went to the internet. Why I didn't sooner is only testimony to my ignorance.
I learned that SOAP will kill the bugs. I mixed up several solutions in different spray bottles. I used Ajax, Tide, and Dawn detergent. You ladies in this community will know before I announce it which one was the most effective! Of course, Dawn.
I share this in case there is another poster out there with a boxelder buy habitat.
We have a full-time job following the sun around our buildings and spraying the unwary bugs as they rest in the sunshine. I think that when it rains we will have some sudsy foundations and very clean lap siding!
Dmasy said... 116
OT...way off OT. Our home is invaded Steven King/Alfred Hitchcock style with boxelder bugs
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Ewwww! I looked them up and it sounds as though you have to get on killing them or they'll hibernate in your siding or house until they warm up again.
Dawn to the rescue!
Tucker's Mom said... 114
I'm feeling victory with this bill, although not perfect, I'd have to say that a set teacher is right up there at the top of my list.
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Back in the days during the show.....when Kate was totally protected by TLC and was "Teflon Kate" and seemed untouchable.....would there have been a chance that TLC could have easily extended their tentacles of influence over whoever the set teacher would have been (if this law had been in place back then)?
If a bad situation is being covered-up, hidden and protected by a powerful entity like TLC (just like the Penn State case).....couldn't they have unduly influenced the set teacher back then?
In any situation where a huge, powerful and wealthy entity is engineering a cover-up.....couldn't every single safety mechanism put in place on the ladder below them be influenced/silenced?
I'm thrilled about the bill...it's certainly better than what was in place before....which was pretty much nothing.
But in situations with really bad behavior and major cover-ups....are these things even going to be a remedy?
I've got my fingers-crossed here that TLC has just gone too far with HBB. I don't think HBB would be getting nearly as much of a negative response if people didn't already have the Gosselin kids on their minds now.
Wishful thinking, I know.....but the comments seem to be calling TLC on the carpet for child exploitation with HBB WAY more than they did back when the Gosselin kids first became a phenomenon.
And many commenters are mentioning the Gosselins as a cautionary tale in their HBB comments....and I think this is a good thing. The Gosselin tale may have not even slowed TLC down....but I think it's being used to make many more look at HBB with a more critical eye.....and there will hopefully be some negative results for TLC down the road.
Dmasy: good luck! Sounds wicked. Luckily easy solution.
Sue Buddy:
Loved the article. It's got some good supportive comments, too; nice to see people paying attention. I think Robert could well add onto his book by now. I would like recent exploits to be brought for in the name of safety for the children.Is there hope for the sheeple- possibly some. The die-hards like Paige and Milo, dunno.I think they have issues of their own they should concentrate on instead of worshiping a mammon ---Christians began to use the name of Mammon as a pejorative, a term that was used to describe gluttony and unjust worldly gain in Biblical literature. It was personified as a false god in the New Testament.{Mt.6.24; Lk.16.13} The term is often used to refer to excessive materialism or greed as a negative influence
oh- above quote re: Mammon form Wikipedia- sorry, forget to give source.
Murt's bill is far from perfect, but it's a start. Everything starts somewhere and that's the point: it can be changed and added to etc over time.
The 48 hours thing is misleading. That includes school and breaks. Kids 6 to 9, the tups, can work only 4 hours a day but are allowed to be on set for 8. The rest of the time is supposed to be for rest and schoolwork. Age 9 to 16 can be on set for 9, but can only work 5. This is how California does it. It may sound counterintuitive, but it's actually a good idea to keep them on set to ensure schoolwork and rest happens. If you just work them 4 hours and let them go, there is no way to ensure that a parent will make sure they get proper schooling and rest the rest of the day. This is why it's permissible to keep kids on set even if they have exhausted their working time, because lawmakers believe the set is the best place to ensure these other things happen. At that point it's not much different than being in school, you're just with a set teacher.
What about for kids younger than 6?
Isn't the Lifetime's Dance Moms filmed in PA? Wonder how this bill will change how they film?
Under 6 months can be on set 2 hours. 6 months to 2 can be on set 4 but only work 2. 2 to 6 can be on set 6 but work just 3. Can you imagine TLC trying to film everything they did with only being able to film the kids 2 to 3 hours a day??
The 48 hours thing is misleading. 121
Admin., thanks for clarifying that.
Very disturbing video off of Radaronline.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/chinese-teacher-hitting-students-video
It's the chinese Kate Gosselin.
Tucker's Mom said... 114
I'm feeling victory with this bill, although not perfect, I'd have to say that a set teacher is right up there at the top of my list.
This could have prevented a litany of scenarios when filming the G8. Among them, being naked, pulling pants down and exposing genitals, urinating and defecating on the potty, filming in 103 degree heat from morning until night, disallowing Kate to smack kids awake when they were passed out from exhaustion, 6/7 kids becoming sea sick and vomiting, becoming drenched in their emesis and NOT turning the boat around in favor of "getting the shot" deep sea fishing and even more than that, someone with their head on straight would have prepped for the deep sea fishing venture (that is naturally fraught with peril) with medications, fresh shirts, towels, soda, crackers etc.
I think it's paramount that there is someone on set that has no financial investment in pushing until the shot is captured, or a little too far into the day or a little too far past meal time.
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Not much of a show left if all that wasn't in there. Kate got away with it ... again.
Great article, Sue Buddy!!
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On the topic of HBB, I have tried to sit an episode multiple times (just trying to see the family interact, see why TLC thinks this is show worthy)...I get 5 minutes into it, and I can't take it. I feel like I am getting hives and my head is going to explode.
I can't believe any parent would not see that as detrimental for their child and their family unit.
oops - missed a word on #127
"I have tried to sit THROUGH an episode"
A couple of my posts disappeared but I mentioned I also enjoyed Sue Buddy's article.
Sue Buddy has another well done post.
One sentence she says that Kate Gosselin has maternal instincts TO match (an adolescent mentality). I read it first time to say that she had the maternal instinct OF a match. I think it works either way.
Thank you, Sue Buddy.
(Did somebody beat me to this? If so, sorry)
AuntieAnn said... 82
How embarrassing, a bill pushed through your state just because of YOU! LOL.
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Yep and I'll bet she's oblivious to it.
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Kate: What? I don't accept bills. I only accept checks. If you've got a check with my name on it, then it's good. All bills to to
TLC/Discovery!
Admin. I think Michael Phelps is an anomoly (am I using the word correctly) Something about the length of his arms and torso and the span of his hands all give him an advantage, IIRC I read this somewhere, like his body was built for swimming.
More HBB: I read ( and I really knew little about her until a few days ago!) that her infant niece is now in pageants, and HBB's teenage sister puts Mountain dew into the 2 month old's bottles. :(
and HBB's teenage sister puts Mountain dew into the 2 month old's bottles. :(
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I've heard this is a common practice in the south? Any experiences with this?
Great post by PoohBear about joining an established on-line community and how to find a nice comfy spot for yourself. One of the things I often do when I've found a new site, where people are discussing topics of interest to myself, is read through several threads. I get an idea of how people on that forum express themselves - what seems to be okay, and what isn't okay. Some forums are very raunchy, "everything goes." Others online forums have strict policies re profanity, etc. Learn the rules, follow the rules, and then get a feel for the general flow of conversation.
After I do that, then I begin to post. I'd also like to encourage everyone to not feel hurt if your post isn't commented on, or seems as if your remarks are ignored. Especially on this busy blog! I read through nearly every comment, but time constraints prevent me from responding to many. I might have ten minutes here or there to check out the latest posts here, and then I might leave 3 or 4 comments total before I have to get back to my life demands. :)
Obvious trolls get mostly ignored by me. Sometimes I do poke some fun, but for the most part, I think the trolls are probably mentally troubled individuals and I don't like to encourage them in their obsessions. They are not thinking rationally and thus using logic and reason is a sad waste of time. So I just move right beyond their posts and spend my time reading the enjoyable and interesting posts by the rest of you :)
It's like putting out a fire - cut off the oxygen supply and the fire goes out. Ignore the obvious trolls and eventually they will get bored and go elsewhere for the attention they so desperately crave.
Formerly Duped said 134
More HBB: I read ( and I really knew little about her until a few days ago!) that her infant niece is now in pageants, and HBB's teenage sister puts Mountain dew into the 2 month old's bottles.
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Is this a credible source? If so this young mother needs a visit from a social service agency. Giving an 8wk old baby mountain dew is child abuse.
I wish someone would explain to me how a pageant mom's brain works (if they have one, that is).
Why put a BABY in a pageant?? WHY???
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 98
See I think you CAN work hard and win a lot without enhancements. I think there are some pure, unadulterated sports stories out there about winning and that people like Lance who CHEAT take away from the people who got there without cheating.
For example, I don't think there's been a shred of evidence Michael Phelps has ever done anything illegal to enhance performance. Sure he did marijuana in the off season but that wouldn't help a bit with anything. I think he just works his butt off. These are the people we should be getting behind who really did it just by hard work.
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Lance, and all other athletes who dope (which is many, I think we can agree, depending on sport) are STILL outstanding athletes! Mark Macguire is still a great athlete, Barry Bonds, Russian olympic gymnasts, Lye Alzado, and TOO many others to name. That doesnt change the fact they are stellar athletes. A regular person cant dope and all of sudden break records or go pro. Not gonna happen. Doping only enhances one's natural abilities that were already there, that these athletes were already working on. Yes, it's unhealthy (deadly in some cases) and yes it gives them an edge, an advantage- but my god, these folks are still amazing for what they do and fit they are. You could dope everyone who cycles and Lance would still have won.
I'm curious though, don't most divorced women/men refer to themselves as single parents? I don't think I've ever heard anyone refer to themselves as a "divorced mom," for example.
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I am a single mom (from the get go), but I have a number of friends who are divorced and have children. They all refer to themselves as single moms, rather than using the term "divorced mom." I think it's mostly to denote marital/romantic involvement status. A few have remarried and I am pretty sure they stopped calling themselves single moms at that point, although we still discuss issues about dealing with exes/the dads of our kids.
However, I certainly understand the disdain upon hearing Kate cry about how she's doing this all on her own. We all know she's done practically nothing besides buying drugs from Canada to facilitate her HOM pregnancy. After that, as Mady so clearly pointed out, she sits on her white plastic throne and barks out orders. I don't care about her claim to single motherhood, because most moms see right through her BS.
Formerly Duped said... 134
More HBB: I read ( and I really knew little about her until a few days ago!) that her infant niece is now in pageants, and HBB's teenage sister puts Mountain dew into the 2 month old's bottles. :(
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Not sure which rumor is true....but I had read the same thing over on another site but then someone corrected it by saying that she'd actually dipped the baby's pacifier in Mountain Dew....and not filled her bottle with it.
Sweet Tart said... 136
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Well put.
Sometimes it's hard not to poke the trolls but I try either saying nothing and ignoring or agree, agree, agree.
aggiemom,
I've seen moms give their infants soda. Unbelievable, I know. And yep, they have an infant-age category in pageants. It's like these mothers are playing dress up with dolls instead of caring for a live child.
Okay, will some techie PLEASE post a clickable link to Sue Buddy's article? The link Jo posted gets me a "you are not authorized to access this article" note and searching Gather for Sue Buddy articles brings up a bunch, but the most recent is the 9/2012 on the Hoffman book. Please have mercy on a techno ignorant reader, LOL.
butterfly said... 138
You could dope everyone who cycles and Lance would still have won.
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Maybe. Maybe not. We'll never know since he chose to cheat and not compete on a level playing field.
readerlady, try this link:
Sue Buddy's Article
Anon,
I am reasonably sure he (and I mean his entire team) would have. They were strong to begin with and many other cyclists were doping also and didnt beat them, and who knows how many havent been caught yet? Doping isnt a few people here and there. It's widespread through out a sport. So he didnt cheat, I dont think. He enhanced.
butterfly said... 146
Anon,
I am reasonably sure he (and I mean his entire team) would have. They were strong to begin with and many other cyclists were doping also and didnt beat them, and who knows how many havent been caught yet? Doping isnt a few people here and there. It's widespread through out a sport. So he didnt cheat, I dont think. He enhanced.
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It doesn't count as cheating when others do it too? That's interesting logic, to say the least. It doesn't matter what percentage of athletes are doing the same thing. If you knowingly violate the rules of the sport, you are cheating. A cheater by any other name ("enhancer") is still a cheater.
You can be reasonably sure of whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that no one will ever know for sure what Lance Armstrong was capable of without doping. Maybe one of the athletes who didn't dope would have beaten him. Or maybe he was simply the best. No one will ever know. And that is nobody's fault but his.
Athletes who cheat are not outstanding athletes. They're cheaters. If lance could have won anyway why take anything at all?
PoohBear said... 72
JudyK - My post wasn't in response to any one post in particular. There were just several "handslapping" stay on topic posts and a few "newbies aren't welcome," "there are cliques" posts that I saw in the last couple posts. I'm still trying to catch up on the last thread. I'm just reading this last page on this one since I'm posting on it.
Dee3 - I agree with you regarding Betty. By all accounts until Dan had the affair, she was a great mother and an almost perfect "lawyer's wife." She kept the home spectacularly, threw parties, was well liked in their social circle, etc.
Dan really was a prick and had she not gone off the deep end, I'm sure people would have rallied around her.
She worked to put him through both med school AND law school. She worked through most if not all of her pregnancies, including one that ended with a baby boy that died 2 days after birth, which was a really rough pregnancy.
She held everything together during all the lean years and then once he REALLY started making money, he starts the affair with someone half his age and she's not good enough anymore. That would be crazy-making for anyone, let alone someone with her probably very carefully controlled mental state up to that point.
Regarding his punitive system, he eventually started "fining" her out of the payments he was making to her. $100/vulgarity she left on his answering machine. One month when he was due to pay her $9,000, she ended up OWING him $1,000.
She drove her car through his front door, she burned all his suit, she broke in and spray painted his walls and everything on them. He had to have a pretty good idea that poking her with sharp sticks was not a great idea, but he was very arrogant and he thought he could do what he wanted.
At one point he was paying her $16,000 a month, which sounds like a lot until you know that he was making $300,000 a month.
Their divorce took something like 4 years and was, of course, horribly contentious. In the end, he paid her something like $30,000. He was a multi-millionaire by this time.
I'm sure she was just eaten up inside and again if she didn't have the mental disorders she did would have been SUCH a sympathetic person.
It's a sad story, really.
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Thanks for responding Pooh.
As far as Betty Broderick, I've watched the movie (both parts I and II) at least twice. Meredith Baxter was outstanding in that role...a fantastic dramatic actress.
Such a sad situation. She really did just snap--it was hard to watch the she-devil she became.
Vanessa said... 134
Admin. I think Michael Phelps is an anomoly (am I using the word correctly) Something about the length of his arms and torso and the span of his hands all give him an advantage, IIRC I read this somewhere, like his body was built for swimming.
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As a former competitive swimmer, I can say that yes, Michael Phelps has the perfect swimmer's body. He is lean, he has huge shoulders, very narrow hips, a flat backside and long legs and arms and his hands are like fins. He's very tall, too.
He is also ADHD, and his mom, that darling woman, tried to find something for Michael to focus all his energy on when he was just a kid. Swimming was it for him, and he was off and butterflying. Hours and hours and hours a day, 6 days a week, 4 seasons of the year, he was in the water, listening to coaches, doing his drills, improving his times, giving the sport of swimming his best. And it shows.
Hard work gets you where you want to be.
'Er ya listen'n' Katie m'dear? Hard work gets you where you want to be. The operative words here are hard work. Got it?
Hey, no tweets today from Kate? And she promised!!
Dmasy #89: Fascinating! I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during those conversations.
I came across what I think seems to be a pretty good article from a news site called International Business Times that had interesting info from both Paul Petersen and Michael Brody, a psychiatrist and chair of the Television and Media Committee of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry and gave some good info regarding child labor laws in various states, mentioned the PA case and JK8, HBB and GA laws, A Minor Consideration, etc. Very relevant and informative, I thought.
http://www.ibtimes.com/there-goes-honey-boo-boo-reality-tv-and-exploitation-children-794002
At the end of the article, Paul Petersen was quoted:
“We sit back and watch while adults make a profit off of the destruction of childhood,” Petersen said. “Why isn’t America outraged at this abusive employment of children?”
Tucker's Mom,
Mt. Dew in a baby's bottle is NOT a common practice in the South! I've lived here most of my life and raised two children to adulthood here and I've never heard of it until I read the post here.
Thanks Jo #111 for that link.
Sue Buddy, you are quite a writer! Loved it.
I posted my "background" regarding Betty Broderick earlier today.
I think it should be considered that the personality she revealed for 4 years prior to the murder and during her two trials might have been more extreme, but it was the same personality she had earlier in her life.
She may have been less manic while she was focused and getting her needs met. Some of her behaviors were witnessed earlier in the marriage. She was always controlling and subject to tantrums and anger.
Dan did not handle the situation well. He did have an affair that he denied for years. He did contribute to her final crazy actions.
But, throughout her life she made everyone (including her children) know that if things were not done HER way, she would retaliate. The murder of two people was her final act of retribution.
To this day she has not shown remorse. That is the primary reason she was denied parole.
I have some letters from her. I tucked them into one of the books written about her for safe keeping. She writes as if Dan was still alive and her anger is just as fresh. She underlines and has multiple exclamation points that almost pierce the paper. She says that she was the victim and she is not sorry. Her children do not visit her in jail.
She is a fascinating character study. The story is completely sad, especially since 4 children were involved.
“We sit back and watch while adults make a profit off of the destruction of childhood,” Petersen said. “Why isn’t America outraged at this abusive employment of children?”
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Good question. I always wonder why their parents aren't outraged at this abusive employment of children.
Fidosmommy #133...ROFL! Perfect. I can actually hear Kate saying that!
My apologies if this has been posted before, but this is just too funny not to share. The pictures are hilarious.
http://thelyingchannel.blogspot.com/2012/10/noone-wants-to-put-kate-gosselin-in.html
Formerly Duped: yea, expect the drive-bys to show up. I wonder if Kate did not already leave for LA, today or did she go to NYC again. She probably say, she had tons of errands to do.
Kirkland, thanks for the link. That article is the one I was pulling up as the most recent. It's from 9/2012, but it's still timely. Some excellent comments, too.
Dee3 -- I think the reason we "sit back and watch . . . adults profit", as Paul Peterson puts it, is because we, as a country, really don't value children and childhood. In the early days, families set out to have as many children as they could because there was a high infant mortality rate, men's worth was measured by how many children they could sire, and because it provided more unpaid labor for the family farm. These days, too many people view children as the ultimate status symbol. If your child excels, that's because you are such wonderful parent. It has nothing to do with the child's innate abilities and hard work and determination. Too many parents are living vicariously through their children. Until we begin to see children as their own persons, in their own right, and to appreciate and value them as such, people like Kate Gosselin and companies like TLC will continue to flourish.
Okay, backing away from my soapbox now.
dee3, thanks for the link to that excellent article. What I found telling is this:
"But Shannon would not be specific, and the truth is she is under no legal obligation to share any of that money with her daughter. "
Yeah, her "Sugar Bear" won't be getting June's hand in marriage any time soon. I hope that there continues to be ever-present pressure put on June to prove that HBB will be receiving a trust fund that her earnings will go into.
If HBB does not, there should be outrage.
From JJ Blog...
"Noone want's to put Kate Gosselin in a binder"
I read this and thought...Peter? What about the rest of the Hermits? No one is two words, except for Peter's last name, of course! :)
If anyone likes oldies concerts, he puts on a great performance.
the_mad_hobbit said... 155
Tucker's Mom,
Mt. Dew in a baby's bottle is NOT a common practice in the South! I've lived here most of my life and raised two children to adulthood here and I've never heard of it until I read the post here.
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Thanks for answering that. Apparently, there is something knows as "Mountain Dew mouth" and it's prevalent in Appalachia.
Quote:
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It's a stereotype rooted in a terrible fact. Central Appalachia is No. 1 in the nation in toothlessness. According to dentists, one of the main culprits is Mountain Dew soda. With 50 percent more caffeine than Coke or Pepsi, Mountain Dew seems to be used as a kind of anti-depressant for children in the hills."
Source:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6863173#.UIhqVRywCpc
Sad ;-(
I, too, saw the HBB interview on Dr. Drew's program. Momma June did clearly say that there are no laws in GA concerning child actors, so she is in charge of investing the money. This program will not last too long. Alana is cute, but can she sustain a show for any length of time? Dr. Drew even suggested that the show is truly about Alana, but everyone is getting in on the money. He indicated that Alana is the draw, but they are all getting a cut. If someone heard that differently, I don't mind being corrected. That is what I took from it. Momma June was quick to say they (the entire family) are all involved in the show. My personal opinion is that Honey Boo Boo (Alana) is the star. TLC spotted her on their Toddlers and Tiaras. My feeling is that TLC is exploiting another family. Sad, sad, sad form of entertainment.
I hate the new law! I haven't read it but children can work up to 48 hours a week+ school? Can work til 10:00 PM on a school night?horrible law!!
The only good part is the set teacher. The set teacher would have saved the Gosselin kids from Kate's beating for not doing what they were told during filming!
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You haven't read the law, but you know the only good part is the set teacher? How can you hate the law and make this determination if you haven't read it?
If you are at all familiar about the "old" child labor laws (I don't know if you live in PA) which did absolutely nothing to protect kids in the entertainment industry, you would see that this is an excellent bill. Personally, I believe that it did need some tweaking before it went to the governor, but the legislators, particularly Tom Murt, put in a considerable amount of time, research, hearings, interviews, to get it to where it is now. They deserve much credit for taking the initiative to do so, particularly when the old labor laws were let slide for so long. Finally somebody took the bull by the horns and did something.
Petersen seems to be satisfied, calls it a major victory and is not at all critical of the law. He's been involved in fighting for the rights of kids in the entertainment industry for years, and therefore knows exactly what should be included in such a bill.
The Betty Broderick story is one of the worst examples of how "not" to get divorced. Betty needed help long before she committed the murders. Too bad she just couldn't take Dan for as much money as possible and practice the best revenge which is "living a good life." She became a very unsympathic figure. Sad for her children. Betty didn't need to commit those murders. There is always a better way. A good mental health therapist could have helped her had she allowed it.
I read somewhere that Jessica was living out her pregnancy at her grandmother's house, but TLC wanted her to move back to June's house, so she did. I guess she wouldn't get paid if she didn't.
There are some comments here from people who say Honey boo boo is cute. I am just curious about the word 'cute' and what you mean by that. Cute as in an adorable little personality or cute as in physical cute? I'm dead serious. I found her neither, but I don't think it's fair of me to form an opinion of her since I've only seen her on that short clip with Drew Pinsky yesterday.
AuntieAnn said... 170
There are some comments here from people who say Honey boo boo is cute. I am just curious about the word 'cute' and what you mean by that. Cute as in an adorable little personality or cute as in physical cute? I'm dead serious. I found her neither, but I don't think it's fair of me to form an opinion of her since I've only seen her on that short clip with Drew Pinsky yesterday.
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Yeah, Auntie, I said something about that a few days ago and I just want to warn you - watch out. Stating that a child is not cute on TV is sometimes taken as fightin' words.
LaLaLandNoMore said... 168
The Betty Broderick story is one of the worst examples of how "not" to get divorced. Betty needed help long before she committed the murders. Too bad she just couldn't take Dan for as much money as possible and practice the best revenge which is "living a good life."
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I dont remember the details, but wasnt one her valid complaints is that he was leaving her with nothing after everything she had done in the marriage? And NO lawyer would touch her case because of HIS postion in the legal community? Sounds like a reverse Jon and Kate, sort of...
LaLaLandNoMore said... 166
I, too, saw the HBB interview on Dr. Drew's program. Momma June did clearly say that there are no laws in GA concerning child actors, so she is in charge of investing the money. This program will not last too long. Alana is cute, but can she sustain a show for any length of time? Dr. Drew even suggested that the show is truly about Alana, but everyone is getting in on the money. He indicated that Alana is the draw, but they are all getting a cut. If someone heard that differently, I don't mind being corrected. That is what I took from it. Momma June was quick to say they (the entire family) are all involved in the show. My personal opinion is that Honey Boo Boo (Alana) is the star. TLC spotted her on their Toddlers and Tiaras. My feeling is that TLC is exploiting another family. Sad, sad, sad form of entertainment.
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I watched Dr. Drew also and you're remembering correctly. June did say that she is putting money in trust for all of the kids since they're all participating in the show. I agree Alana is the draw, but I also think they're all participating and should share the income.
June is in WAY over her head managing the family herself. OH MY, what an overwhelming job for someone untrained and inexperienced trying to arrange schedules, transportation, correspondence, contracts, deal with publicists, networks, etc., especially dealing with the snakes slithering around the entertainment industry just waiting to devour the next new face/name to enter the fray.
I so enjoy the interaction and wit and insight here. This really is a community and so glad to be here.
Watch out. KG will be screaming rights to the name "fridge phone".
Tickled to see the references to The Doctor and Star Trek. Anybody see a resemblence to KG and the angels on the Doctor Who "Blink" episode when they get really close to their victims? The screaming mouths nd hate filled expressions. Check it out. scary likeness.
Milo's getting creepy again....
@deannatweeting @Hollybm78 @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 I know what U mean! That gr8 body & natural good looks intimadates scrawny ME! :)
@deannatweeting @Hollybm78 @msgoody2shoes21 @strawberrypsu @Kateplusmy8 Ha..Kate's N such "hot" shape...she looks good N most anything! )
Mrs. Brown's Daughter said... 164
From JJ Blog...
"Noone want's to put Kate Gosselin in a binder"
I read this and thought...Peter? What about the rest of the Hermits? No one is two words, except for Peter's last name, of course! :)
If anyone likes oldies concerts, he puts on a great performance.
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I had a chance to meet and get Peter Noone's autograph. He was so gracious to me. Made me feel like he all the time in the world for me. Even though I'm in my 60's, I got up and danced in the aisle during his performance. Yes, he DOES put on a great show.
Dwindle -- you are correct. Those were two of Betty Broderick's complaints. Perhaps that is how she felt and saw her life. However, neither proved to be true when the facts were revealed.
Dan bought her an ocean view home in La Hoya. He paid different amounts of spousal support -- at one time $13,000 a month. He also had full custody and support for the children. Several times during the divorce, she got way over her head in credit card bills and he stepped up and paid off her debts.
She had several attorneys and at on time represented herself because she could not get along with any of the defense she had hired. Dan and Betty had lawyer friends, some who offered to help Betty as they saw the situation deteriorating.
I am not trying to defend or condemn Betty. But, those are a few of the facts as the actually occurred.
I am fairly sure that Betty Broderick saw things from a different point of view.
That's really interesting about the Betty Broderick story. Thanks for that information.
butterfly said... 143
aggiemom,
I've seen moms give their infants soda. Unbelievable, I know. And yep, they have an infant-age category in pageants. It's like these mothers are playing dress up with dolls instead of caring for a live child.
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I knew a young woman once who would put 8oz of lukewarm tap water in a baby bottle, dump in a box of Jello, shake it and call it either lunch or juice, depending on her mood. I tried but couldnt talk her out of it. The last time I saw her (about 30 years ago) she had a 2nd baby that the 4 year old was apparently trying to harm, so she put an old crib upside down on top of the baby's crib, to make a box cage the 4 year old couldnt get in.
This stuff does happen. Horrible. I wonder how those kids turned out...
AuntieAnn & Dwindle: I do not think Alana's (HBB) behavior is cute in the least either. Regardless of what she looks like, that is my opinion.
Dmasy said... 132
Sue Buddy has another well done post.
One sentence she says that Kate Gosselin has maternal instincts TO match (an adolescent mentality). I read it first time to say that she had the maternal instinct OF a match. I think it works either way.
Thank you, Sue Buddy.
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Tried to light a nice fall scented candle and the match wont light. Now it makes sense.
Just a theory, but I think a lot of people are uncomfortable thinking about laws interfering with child actors because some people think if that were me I wouldn't want no stinking law telling me how to protect my child and spend my child's money. We've seen it with the sheeple, no one has the right to tell Kate how to raise her kids. The fact is that we are a society that does do just that, at least somewhat. People just hate the idea of that and would rather ignore anything that seeks to restrict a parents' choices even those just aimed at bad or selfish parents.
While it is sad (although not surprising) that Lance Armstrong turned out to be something other than what people believed him to be, it is equally disturbing that the world of cycling turned a blind eye to all the cheating for so many years. Everyone involved in the governing bodies of cycling bears some blame for allowing the culture of cheating to take over the sport.
There is a strong probability that no winner will be named in place of Armstrong for those 7 titles. Cycling's governing agency said that "20 of the 21 riders on the podium in the Tour from 1999 through 2005 have been 'directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations' or other means. It added that of the 45 riders on the podium between 1996 and 2010, 36 were cyclists 'similarly tainted by doping'."
That is not just a few people going rogue. That is a systematic failure.
To me, the situation is very similar to that with the Gosselins and TLC. The parents are first in line for blame for not protecting their children, but TLC bears a great deal of responsibility for making the exploitation possible.
Virginia Pen Mom said... 175
Milo's getting creepy again....
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She's always been creepy, but that's more than creepy. Now she's obsessed with Kate's body? Ewwwwwww! Hide the bunny!
This has got to be a man. What woman says that another woman is hot?
I guess Milo likes women with no waists and belly buttons an inch under their breasts. If it turns her on, go for it!
Dwindle said... 171
Yeah, Auntie, I said something about that a few days ago and I just want to warn you - watch out. Stating that a child is not cute on TV is sometimes taken as fightin' words.
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lol. Dwindle. I hope people don't think I'm looking for a fight. I'd just like to know what it is about that little girl makes people think she's cute.
Dmasy said... 177
Dwindle -- you are correct. Those were two of Betty Broderick's complaints. Perhaps that is how she felt and saw her life. However, neither proved to be true when the facts were revealed.
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Thanks Dmasy, and welcome home, BTW! I didnt know those facts about the Brodericks.
I have seen interviews with Betty (not Meredith Baxter) and video of her actual testimony in court, and she is much more unstable and terrifying in reality than Meredith portrayed her. NO ONE could have portrayed it any better than she did, but if she had stepped it up any more, she would have been accused of overacting, when the REAL Betty was actually quite histrionic every time she spoke.
I love the Betty Broderick Lifetime movie. Meredith does a great job. Similar to her kids, there was a murder in NJ several years ago. The father murdered the mother at a reststop. There was a tv movie about that too and one of the sons met Tracy Gold and they married. That son totally thinks his dad his guilty and another son is on his dads side. Not sure about the third sone (I think there was a third son).
I wanted to say thanks for sharing the info on the Brodericks. Merideth Baxter was perfect in that role. It's frightening to think that the real Broderick was someone who was hanging on by a thread all that time, and was a mom too.
Improbable Dreams said... 53
Kate is a Twit said...52
Hurray! Such a huge accomplishment! I know firsthand just how hard it is to get a bill considered by a legislative body, much less passed into law. No small feat--this is HUGE.
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Maybe Kate would understand if we hooked her up with Schoolhouse Rock - I'm Just a Bill
carolina peach said... 174
I so enjoy the interaction and wit and insight here. This really is a community and so glad to be here.
Watch out. KG will be screaming rights to the name "fridge phone".
Tickled to see the references to The Doctor and Star Trek. Anybody see a resemblence to KG and the angels on the Doctor Who "Blink" episode when they get really close to their victims? The screaming mouths nd hate filled expressions. Check it out. scary likeness.
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I love horror (not splatter-horror tho), sci fi, and paranormal stuff. it is my escapism. But I was never a Dr Who fan. DD#1 tried and tried to get me to watch. But when I stayed with DD over Mother's Day week she MADE me watch that episode. It has been a very long time since I was so creeped out! It scared the SH*T out of me!
Which of course makes it GREAT viewing! LOL! For anyone who has never watched Dr Who, just watch that one episode. AND DONT BLINK!
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Dwindle said... 171
Yeah, Auntie, I said something about that a few days ago and I just want to warn you - watch out. Stating that a child is not cute on TV is sometimes taken as fightin' words.
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lol. Dwindle. I hope people don't think I'm looking for a fight. I'd just like to know what it is about that little girl makes people think she's cute.
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From what I have read, many people think her belly is cute, which is why she lifts her shirt to show it to the cameras. They find her dirty feet to be charming and kind of down-home. Folks find her one liners to be cute, while others find them rude. Some find her accent to be cute, while others cant understand her. Some find her to be spunky and cute-sassy, while others find her to be rude, mouthy and getting worse.
Dmasy said... 177
Dan bought her an ocean view home in La Hoya
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La Jolla is such a beautiful and very, very, expensive area. I walked up and down that beach many times. Ah, the memories.
dwindle said
I love horror (not splatter-horror tho), sci fi, and paranormal stuff.
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oh geez, not me! I declare myself to be the biggest chicken on the planet. I cannot stand a scary movie...just the opening music sends me to my room. I cannot watch a scary movie. They literally give me nightmares for weeks. Four of my kids LOVE them, but they also like that gory splat stuff...just sit there without blinking.
Parent In Lancaster County said... 167
I hate the new law! I haven't read it but children can work up to 48 hours a week+ school? Can work til 10:00 PM on a school night?horrible law!!
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Somewhere upthread Admin clarified the 48 hour week. It is a good law, worth the time to go and find the post.
From what I have read, many people think her belly is cute, which is why she lifts her shirt to show it to the cameras.
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This stunned me to watch. There has to be an adult with a brain in their head that says no. I wrote about this earlier today. Someone has to tell this little girl that little girls do not lift up their shirts!
HBB was *this close* to a nip slip and I'm betting that the camera crew has been flashed her chest before.
It's absolutely indecent and no one is teaching this girl right from wrong.
It certainly is not cute or endearing.
Audible Click -- thank you for fixing my mis-spelling. I knew I was wrong even as I typed it. Just not thinking. Thanks. I will write La Jolla 100 times on the blackboard.
Tucker, 195...It certainly is not cute or endearing.
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I don't think that there's ANYTHING about her that is cute or endearing. Nothing, especially not her tummy or lifting her shirt to reveal it.
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aggiemom09121416 said... 194
Parent In Lancaster County said... 167
I hate the new law! I haven't read it but children can work up to 48 hours a week+ school? Can work til 10:00 PM on a school night?horrible law!!
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Aggie -- just to clarify. I was responding to another post in which the person commented that she hated the new law but hadn't read it. I didn't make the above comment. I'm happy that the new bill will be signed into law.
Crisis time here! Serious barking coming from the back of the house! ILLEGAL ALIEN INTRUDERS! ILLEGAL ALIEN INTRUDERS! Good think I speak Dog! I can hear an emergency situation, so I grabbed my police style flashlight and dashed out there!
(Now, you would think the 3 deer in the yard would be the scared critters, right? Noooo, my dogs are noisy but keep jockeying for postition to hide behind each other while they are barking at the deer. LOL!) Once I opened the back door, the dogs couldnt fly into the house fast enough. Big bad Lab and my vicious Rott, my butt.
As for Honey Boo Boo, saw enough of her and her mother on Toddlers & Tiaras. Won't watch another child abuser in the making. Any mother who gives their child: a drink they made called Go-Go Juice, which is made of Mountain Dew and Red bull, should be charged with child endangerment. If any of you ever had red bull by itself, that stuff is nasty, it makes your heart race and you get a high, and then a headache. With Mountain dew it's like a chaser rush. I can't even imagine what that does to a 6 year, and who knows how long Alanas mother had been giving that to the kid. Her mother lacks any common sense. I saw enough of them on T & T. And on some talk show, and the kid was bad mannered. I don't care the kid won all those titles for beauty, she has no manners. And that is moms fault.
Tucker's Mom said... 195
From what I have read, many people think her belly is cute, which is why she lifts her shirt to show it to the cameras.
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This stunned me to watch. There has to be an adult with a brain in their head that says no. I wrote about this earlier today. Someone has to tell this little girl that little girls do not lift up their shirts!
HBB was *this close* to a nip slip and I'm betting that the camera crew has been flashed her chest before.
It's absolutely indecent and no one is teaching this girl right from wrong.
It certainly is not cute or endearing.
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I had seen photos online of her pinching her little belly rolls to make them protrude for the cameras, because of the adoration she apparently has gotten about this. i will try to find the pics.
Parent In Lancaster County said... 167
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my apologies! lol!! what kind of gift card would you like?
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