Could y'all help me with my post#185 on the previous page. It is driving me nuts why this doesn't make sense to me. Thanks everyone!
**************************** Maggie - she could have had several almost mature follicles. There are two schools of thought with IUIs. My doctor had me do the trigger shot and one IUI, followed up with doing it the old fashioned way at home. My sister's doctor believed in the trigger shot, followed by an IUI and then another IUI the following day.
Kate's 3-4 mature follicles were triggered to release for the IUI. Several more could have matured in time to be released (with a second trigger shot or naturally) in time for the follow up sex or second IUI (depending on her doctor's practice.)
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No matter what the usual format is for this show, why do I get the feeling Kate will be thrown softballs again? We all know there is a list of restrictions when it comes to interviewing Kate.
But WHO is protecting her? Do you think Discovery is in order to hide their own skeletons from her show? I don't thini any high-ranking government official would even get this sort of protection.
But WHO is protecting her? Do you think Discovery is in order to hide their own skeletons from her show? I don't thini any high-ranking government official would even get this sort of protection. ____
Could you imagine the fallout if it came to light in a legal way that a major corporation made $200 million by promoting a woman they knew 100% was a child abuser and they did NOTHING to stop it except count the money they made?
She also wouldn’t be fertilizing three, or possibly four mature eggs. God would not have had a problem with Kate going home and trying again next time. But Kate did come back, the very next day and received her “one final injection of HCG” (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) and then the IUI (Intrauterine Insemination) and went home again to wait. At least that’s what she was supposed to do. What Kate actually did though when she got home was to immediately give herself at least one more shot of HCG, which she had purchased weeks before online. With the IUI, Jon’s sperm were now swimming around inside of Kate’s uterus among the three or four mature eggs that the doctor knew about. Kate wasn’t looking for maybe two, or three or even four babies this time around though, and she wasn’t about to leave anything to chance either. She knew that by administering her own injection of HCG, even more mature eggs would drop down to join the others, unbeknownst to her ‘African doctor.’ Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online. _________________________ Can somebody explain this to me: We know these facts given by Robert: 1)Kate had 3 to 4 possible mature follicles. 2)She returned to the Dr. the next day and received another & final HCG shot by the Dr. Then had IUI that very day. (washed sperm placed in her uterus).
Let's pretend here Kate did NOT do step 4) Kate give herself another shot of HCG at home received from online.
Robert states that the Dr. was shocked that more than than 4 mature eggs were present. Well, remember her Dr. the next day gave her another(her final)HCG shot so of course more eggs 4 could have been present.
Even if Kate never gave herself another shot at home, she could have had more than the original 4 follicles because her DR. gave her another shot at his office before the IUI procedure.
What am I missing here? Robert's point doesn't make sense. If the Dr. NEVER gave Kate another shot after detecting the 3 to mature follicles and Kate gave herself another shot, then we would know that it was Kate's shot that caused more mature eggs. But the Dr. gave Kate another shot after the detection of the 4 follicles. So it could have been the Dr.'s final shot or Kate's own shot she gave herself that caused more than the 4 mature follicles.
Could you imagine the fallout if it came to light in a legal way that a major corporation made $200 million by promoting a woman they knew 100% was a child abuser and they did NOTHING to stop it except count the money they made?
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Sadly I'm not sure there would be all that much fallout. It's hard to get people worked up about these things for some reason, this country does not value the protection of children as we should.
On another note we talked about this briefly before comparing Lance Armstrong sheeple to Kate's sheeple. Even in the face of the obvious many continued to defend him. Whereas people with common sense said if it looks, quacks and talks like a duck, it probably is. Well this week it's pretty much coming out that the guy was involved in a massive doping conspiracy, first hand. It IS a duck. Just like it's come out Kate is a child abuser. And still he has his defenders who won't believe it.
Not even the cold hard facts will change an obsessed fan's mind.
I really do not believe for one second that TLC or Discovery would waste their interns' time writing tweets like that looking so creepy and unglued. I realize sometimes this probably happens, sock twitter accounts tweeting support, but they surely would sound more stable. Even if it's Kate's intern, unless she hired an absolute nut, no one would talk like that. She's for real, as hard as it is to believe. I think it's just because we're watching what happens when a celeb actually interacts with their obsessed fan that makes her behavior so over the top. The reason being because no one Kate, usually does this, you idiot. You've created and encouraged a total freak.
He'll think Kate's a pussycat compared to some of the company he keeps (NeNe, Kim, Teresa G., to name a few). Those women are FREAKS.
Andy won't ask her anything...he won't due to legalities.
Ya know what?? Have Andy invite Kate, Jon, Kevin, Jody, Beth, Carla, Ashley, Jamie and Steve onto the couch...let's have a series finale show...lololol let's get them all glammed up (Kate can wear Teresa's green dress!, well, she might rather wear Melissa's dress and her eye shadow)...get everybody all tanned, do some plastic surgery and give everyone hair extensions and let everyone go at it. I'd watch that. lol
Thank you very much for answering but I don't think it does help.
Robert claimed that Kate's HCG shot that she gave herself upon arriving home after getting her "final" HCG shot and IUI treatment is what caused Kate to have more than the original 3 to 4 mature follicles the Dr. saw the day before.
Question: Why does Robert say it was Kate's at home shot that caused her more follicles and NOT the "final" shot given by the Dr. that very day that could have caused her to have more mature follicles.
I don't think any distinction can be made by the two shots. Robert claims it was Kate's at home shot that caused her to have more than the 3 to 4 mature follicles seen by the Dr. the day before.
"hCG stimulates ovulation, but it has a long life in the body and the prolonged exposure to hCG causes the follicles to continue to grow and make the hormones that contribute to OHSS"
I did send a question: Kate is on the Katie Couric (and everyother morning show) rolling her eyes and saying she has no time to date and then right out the other side of her mouth says, "I would do a dating show....it would be fun...it was my idea"....so, is the only reason she wants a dating show is to get back on TV/get away from the kids? It's totally contradictory. wonder if he will ask her that?
Maggie....really simple, more shots...more eggs. Why are you having soooo much trouble understanding? Are you arguing Kate did not give herself a shot?
Maggie -- I know nothing about HCG or how it affected Kate's pregnancy. Robert speculated.
The facts he had were that Kate ordered HCG "legally" from another country. She had it mailed to a fake name at a PO box address she set up outside her home. She invested effort in keeping the shipment a secret from Jon. She had a plan that she didn't want to be traced back to her.
What happens after that and how it might have contributed to her HOM pregnancy is just any one's best guess.
Kelley, thank you so much for responsing but that doesn't answer the question.
Kate went to the Dr. and had scan and Dr. saw 3 possibly 4 mature follicles.
The next day Kate returned and had her "final" shot by the Dr. and then the IUI procedure. She returned home and then gave herself another shot.
Robert claims it was Kate's shot that caused more mature follicles causing her to have 6 babies. How can he state this when it could have been the "final" shot given by the Dr. or hours later the shot Kate gave herself.
Maggie....really simple, more shots...more eggs. Why are you having soooo much trouble understanding? Are you arguing Kate did not give herself a shot? ________________ Please Gabby, I am not arguing with anyone. And I 100% believe Kate ordered and gave herself another shot upon coming home from the Dr.
What I don't understand and yet nobody has answered is can Robert state that it was Kate's shot and not the Dr.'s "final" shot that caused more than the 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?
Simply question...Yes or No answer. Can Robert state unequivocally that it was Kate's shot that causes more than the original 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?
It is anyone's best guess. In any event, she would have double the required hCG hormone in her body, which could have caused more eggs to mature and release. No one can really say which shot caused it, just that giving herself a second shot was "overkill"
Kate is not a working mom, SAHM, or a star. She is a woman who spends all her time "masterminding" how to get money without working! She also uses her kids to ABUSE when she gets angry!
Kate will smile and flirt ( I know Andy is gay ) like crazy and " show her fun side " I can't even type the fun part without cracking up! Andy will be nice!
Tucker's mom praying for Mr. Bichon! Hope things go well!
Maggie -- Robert, nor anyone else, can know for sure how the HCG multiple shots affected Kate.
The significant point is that Kate has always said she wanted "one more child -- only one more." There is now evidence that those words were a cover for her desire to have media-worthy amount of children.
She's for real, as hard as it is to believe. I think it's just because we're watching what happens when a celeb actually interacts with their obsessed fan that makes her behavior so over the top. The reason being because no one Kate, usually does this, you idiot. You've created and encouraged a total freak.
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I agree with this, admin, and posted on the other thread. It's the inconsistencies in her stories, though, that bother me. This would indicate one person tweeting, and the next one not being able to adhere to the original script. Whatever the outcome, if there really is a Milo, she indeed is one delusional freak and really needs professional help.
I think what is conceivable to me...is WHY would any mother that loves child intentionally create children that had a HIGHER risk to be born dead, handicapped, disabled, preemies, have to spend their first few weeks in glass boxes with needles in the arms and tubes down their throats??? Or possibly have health problems for the rest of their lives. And then beat them when they are not ahead developmentally of normal kids?
Thanks for all of your well wishes for my Bichon. He's resting mostly, but has a good appetite-ate another bowl of burger and potato for lunch ;-) I just want him to get better and be able to enjoy life, which he was doing, albeit slowly at his age!
Re: Andy Cohen--I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't ask Kate about her boobs. He LOVES boobs, even though he's gay. I wish he'd ask her about augmentation with a side by side photo of her. As we know, she can deny all she wants, but seeing the pics says it all.
Maggie -- Let's see if I can try to help. I think I have this straight. If not, I'm sure someone will correct me. The HCG doesn't cause mature follicles. The HCG causes mature follicles to release their eggs. In a normal cycle, one follicle matures, sometimes 2. More rarely, 3 or more. KK had 3 - 4 mature follicles when the doctor gave her the HCG injection. More follicles may have matured by then and also released eggs, or more follicles matured later and KK's shot caused them to release eggs. It could have been either injection which did it. Robert concludes that it was KK's injection. He may be right, or he may not be. Either way, the mere fact that she injected herself with HCG shows that she was trying to manipulate things. Keep in mind that fertilization doesn't always take place immediately. Sperm can survive in the body and fertilize eggs for several days afterward.
Could you imagine the fallout if it came to light in a legal way that a major corporation made $200 million by promoting a woman they knew 100% was a child abuser and they did NOTHING to stop it except count the money they made?
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Sadly I'm not sure there would be all that much fallout. It's hard to get people worked up about these things for some reason, this country does not value the protection of children as we should. __
I have a little bit more hope, I guess.
Anyone else remember the public outcry regarding Kathie Lee Gifford's child sweatshop charges?
Maggie said... Simply question...Yes or No answer. Can Robert state unequivocally that it was Kate's shot that causes more than the original 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before? --------------------- The explanation is just too simplistic--there are many more variables that influence the fertilization process. People are applying a false logic--the human body is just too complex. If it is true that she ordered the HCG, obviously she was trying to influence the outcome. She is just not sane enough for a rational person to discern what her motives were. She is an extremely sick person--I can't even begin to figure out what she was thinking. Most of Robert's commentary are extremely biased against Kate--he consistently takes the absolutely worst scenario as a basis for his comments. I don't find him to be much of a critical thinker, so I pretty much dismiss his narrative and draw my own conclusions. IMO, before he advanced the scenario of the HCG, he should have included a statement from a fertility specialist to present possible theories--that is what a legitimate author would do. JMHO, of course.
It was bad enough that she thought that triplets or quads would be okay. How was she planning on supporting them? Really, the facts that we do know are bad enough--we don't need to be making up more. I find the opinion of posters who have first-hand experience with infertility a much better source then an admittedly obsessed tabloid writer who has anointed himself as the definitive expert on the Gosselins, based on his skewed and biased opinions, rather than true experts.
Morgan Fairchild will be on the same show as Kate. I think she must be in her 60's now and appeared in a series about cosmetic surgery a few years ago (can't remember the name of it now). I hope Andy brings the subject up; it could be interesting.
I remember the fallout from the sweatshop re: Kathie Lee Gifford. It became extremely ugly.
I hope Andy asks the hard questions of Kate, but we haven't really seen it yet. Teflon hasn't rubbed off on her yet. The skillet has a few more scratches on it, but it's still non-stick. Someone is promoting this woman and it needs to stop. I would imagine Kate will be all "purty" in a too short skirt, low-cut top, fried hair, and make-up you need a putty knife to scrape off of her face. Mother of 8, you know does it all herself!
OT as I know that most of you don't like Honey Boo Boo but any toys/gifts/money that she receives between now and Christmas she is giving to a local Christmas toy drive for kids in GA (Kids Yule Luv). http://tinyurl.com/9laxm7g
Rather than grift for more, more, more, this is something that Kate should have been doing dince the begining.
My questions are also related to the comments she made to Katie Couric. Why did she pursue fertility treatment knowing her marriage was showing signs of trouble from the beginning? Also, if they had marital issues, why have a renewal ceremony in front of their 8 kids; was this a staged, fake tv ceremony to get ratings? Does she make decisions based on being a famous and being on television?
It was Kate who told Katie Couric that there were signs of trouble even before having their kids, on national television!
Since WWHL is a snarky show and Andy doesn't really sit down and interview and ask probing questions, I sent him "If you get a dating show will there be spanking involved"...sort of a double entendre if you will.
Whoa, Naughty Rob has finally written about RH book! Did he write about the Child Abuse ( NO ), did he write about the Animal Cruelity ( NO) he wrote about her hotel food demands. What a guy ( I still think he has the hots for her ) to go out on the limb like that!! Jacka##!
BTW, Kate has not promoted tonight's show on twitter. Didn't go well??????
It was Kate who told Katie Couric that there were signs of trouble even before having their kids, on national television! **** Can you imagine the trust issues those kids are going to have? How will they trust their own feelings when dad goes on TV and says he loves some 22 year old pothead brat more than he ever loved their own mother, and their mom says the marriage was always doomed and she hopes her kids will pick a better guy than she did.
NJGal51 said... 44 ***** It's great that HBB's mom is making her donate the gifts. It the right thing to do. This morning on the Today Show, the subject of HBB needing a body guard came up. Someone on the panel said when your child being on tv (reality tv) and that causes the need for a body guard, it's time to get off tv! Amen. Sicko Kate claims the need for Steve was because of the kids, but Steve is Kate's Gal Friday and only "guards" the kids if Kate's with them. Otherwise, they get left with young sitters and no security.
If everything was on the up and up, why would Kate need to order *anything* on-line, using a fake name/address, from a different country?
I guess all women hoping to get pregnant order their own drugs from another country and inject themselves? Sounds like a really safe thing to do.
And why would you hide that from your husband and your doctor? Cuz, you know, it's all such a legit thing to do.
I suppose being he's an "African" doctor, he probably recommended that she order her own drugs and do her own injection. You know, cuz he's African and all. A Norwegian doctor probably would have insisted on doing the injection himself with his own drugs.
SherryBaby said Kate doesn't promote anything. She has a history of that ------- Well, that's not totally true....she promotes her birthday, the twins bdays, the 'littles' bday, christmas, valentines day.... *snark*
I don't watch HBB, but my 8th graders do, they think it's hilarious. I've read enough and seen enough clips to get the jest of the show. I applaud their giving the gifts, etc, they have received to charity. Sounds like June has more dignity, compassion, class and Christian charity than Kate.
Robert states that Kate keeps the christmas gifts the fans give the kids as reward gifts throughout the year...if that's the case, the gifts are stowed away until she is ready to disperse them. I'm surprised she doesn't take them to the consignment store or try to return them for store credit. To Target, of course.
I really do not believe for one second that TLC or Discovery would waste their interns' time writing tweets like that looking so creepy and unglued. I realize sometimes this probably happens, sock twitter accounts tweeting support, but they surely would sound more stable. Even if it's Kate's intern, unless she hired an absolute nut, no one would talk like that. She's for real, as hard as it is to believe. I think it's just because we're watching what happens when a celeb actually interacts with their obsessed fan that makes her behavior so over the top. The reason being because no one Kate, usually does this, you idiot. You've created and encouraged a total freak.
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I've been out of the loop for a while, but I, too, believe that Milo is an obsessed fan, not a fake paid for by Kate or Julie May. The reason goes back to the first time Milo appeared on the scene, around the fall of 2009. She came in as Fired Up For Kate (which many "haters" have had fun with--FUFK, you do the substitutions of the first two letters!)
Somehow, FUFK caught my attention when she began posting on Baby Mama's site. She said she was tired of Kate being the underdog, and she loves to fight for underdogs, doggone it! And she was fired up! (she said). I sort of watched her posts after that--I don't know why. I had no idea how this would all morph.
Kate disparaged Baby Mama's site publicly (and stupidly) on Twitter, so it's not like Kate had a lot of respect for it and so had previously hired this person to post there. I just don't see it.
When Kate had that call-in show a few months after FUFK began posting, Fired Up called in. (I posted the link to the show many months ago and that link even got reposted on Twitter.) FUFK/Milo had a slow Southern drawl. I lived in Georgia a few years, and I'm pretty sure it's a real Georgia accent. Milo has alluded to the fact that she lives in Georgia. She hasn't said it directly, however.
Then once Kate began to tweet, Fired Up couldn't wait to learn how to tweet, too, to communicate directly with Kate as her #1 fan. FUFK then gave herself the name Milo and Jack.
I do think it's funny what you all have done with the letters of Mi-Lo and Jaime, etc. But I still think Milo is real, just as Admin does.
Milo's also a HUGE dog lover. I agree with whomever said Shoka's death--if that is so and ever proven-- might throw Milo to the dark side. She was clearly worried that Kate hadn't confirmed Shoka was okay. Milo has tried desperately to get Kate to demonstrate what a dog lover she is by including the dog in family photos. I believe this is Milo playing P.R. helper.
Sadly, I think the child abuse wouldn't sway Milo they way dog abuse would. She can forgive Kate that. She's just "disciplin her kids cause she loves em so much."
About dropping the g's or not, my belief is Milo forgets to drop the g's when she feels something is seriously going on with Kate. She panics and reverts to conventional spelling--not the cute stuff.
I also think a paid Twitter fan would sound a whole lot more sane and educated, just as Admin said.
I'm glad everyone is watching Milo. Admin's comment about her being the textbook overzealous fan really chilled me.
Well, I left 2 posts (squatfoot) at Rob's website about the child abuse. And I directly quoted from the book about the abuse. Let's see if the 2 posts remain there. One of the posts is a direct quote from the book. So I don't know why Huffington Post would remove it.
Sherry Baby, Kate promotes after the fact. They filmed last night. I think she doesn't promote in advance because she is terrified that people who don't like her call in to the show and complain!
Was it Librarylady that likes the Reds? Darn Posy of the Giants just hit a grand slam. Darn, I'm for he Reds because I like Dusty! Besides the Giants recently won the World Series.
One of the posts has a comment that it needed to be approved. Well, that approval comment is gone and my 2 posts are still there. So I assume the direct comment has been approved by HP. If so, then Huffington Post is accepting direct quotes from the book.
Maybe we should keep posting direct quotes from Robert's book at this site. This is a good way to get the main points of the book out in the public.
Well, that's not totally true....she promotes her birthday, the twins bdays, the 'littles' bday, christmas, valentines day.... *snark*
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I stand corrected. She promotes anything involving gifts or gift cards, and she does it in advance so there is ample time for the gifter's shopping and shipping so that it arrives in time for the event.
Rob Shuter remarked in his comment section that J lo's rider isn't even that detailed. Some fan calls Kate's dietary demands reasonable. What? Kobe beef tips? Yeah, get me the most expensive beef in the WORLD, oh, and whole grain bread with no grain showing. Diva much?
Sherry Baby, Kate promotes after the fact. They filmed last night. I think she doesn't promote in advance because she is terrified that people who don't like her call in to the show and complain!
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Boy, I am really out of it regarding this show, probably because I don't plan on watching it. If they filmed last night, then why are they taking questions today?
Dmasy said... 27 Maggie -- I know nothing about HCG or how it affected Kate's pregnancy. Robert speculated.
The facts he had were that Kate ordered HCG "legally" from another country. She had it mailed to a fake name at a PO box address she set up outside her home. She invested effort in keeping the shipment a secret from Jon. She had a plan that she didn't want to be traced back to her. What happens after that and how it might have contributed to her HOM pregnancy is just any one's best guess. * * * Dmasy = great post. We can get sidetracked over speculating what effect, if any, the additional HCG shot had on Kate's pregnancy. But the main point is that Kate apparently intended to ensure she had a HOM pregnancy, and was willing to engage in secret behavior to do so. She did not do this with the knowledge and permission of her doctor; nor with the knowledge of her own husband.
I believe her doctor was trying to help her get pregnant with "just one more" while Kate's agenda was to have a HOM pregnancy. She took the steps she believed would most likely obtain the result she wanted. After that, she ended up in the hospital with overstimulated ovaries, due to how own hubris in believing she could practice medicine on her own body.
Chesterctymon said...31 @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Breeder confirmed...Kate has been paying for Shoka and Nola's boarding & that Shoka is now fully trained & has returned home.
IMO thesetweets are not sent by the same Milo. The "g's" disappeared below.
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 U have a gr8 fun filled & excitin day! Or should I add...NITE as well! Long one 4U..but we will be watchin/supportin U!
Let's Throw Tomatoes said: Was it Librarylady that likes the Reds? Darn Posy of the Giants just hit a grand slam. Darn, I'm for he Reds because I like Dusty! Besides the Giants recently won the World Series. * * *
Bay Area girl here, and huge Giants fan too -- so I squee'd like a fangirl when Buster Posey got that grand slam. Sorry Reds' fans - I love me some Giants! I am sorry that Matt Cain has had two bad outings so far because he truly is better than that.
Dmasy said... 27 Maggie -- I know nothing about HCG or how it affected Kate's pregnancy. Robert speculated.
The facts he had were that Kate ordered HCG "legally" from another country. She had it mailed to a fake name at a PO box address she set up outside her home. She invested effort in keeping the shipment a secret from Jon. She had a plan that she didn't want to be traced back to her. What happens after that and how it might have contributed to her HOM pregnancy is just any one's best guess. ------- Nothing like a *little* honesty in a christian marriage, huh? nothing says honesty like ordering meds under a fictitious name to a mystery mail box! no siirreee!! Gee, I wonder what Jon should have done if he found out.... Kate went pschyo when Jon didn't want to admit he ate lunch in Philly....said she didn't want a 'liar' around her kids. what a freaking hypocrite!!
A little OT, but Texas and Ohio posters have recently bonded over location in their respective states. Anyone in Tennessee? I'm in a suburb of Nashville. Any other Middle Tennesseans on here?
This guy Andy wont ask her a single thing. He will tease her a bit about some of the recent revalations, and she will giggle, flirt, dab fake tears, the usual.
No one will ever confront her unless you put her in front of real journalists like 60 Minutes. The rest of these bafoons are all merely runners up to the "Spokesmodel" category on Starsearch from 25 years ago. All tooth whitener and hair shellac, just like Kate.
Re Milo and the few remaining yet devoted fans of Kate: I think that these people have defended her for so long and with such ferocity sometimes, that they are deeply invested in the Kate persona they've created in their own minds. They will likely never be able to publicly admit that they were wrong about Kate. At most, they will fade off into the sunset, until they find another public figure to emulate, fawn over and use to fill whatever void they have in their lives.
I think Kate used to have a subset of fans that were teenage girls, who thought Kate was glamorous. I lumped them with the sort of person who would also be a fan of Teen Moms on MTV (or whatever channel had that show). They were young girls, not particularly bright, not particularly ambitious, and caught up in surface things. Those fans have mostly moved on, to whatever the latest fad might be.
What puzzles me is why the media (much of it controlled by Discovery) is still trying to promote Kate in any way. Surely they ought to be able to read comments, see that she is nearly universally disliked, and perhaps come to the conclusion that they backed a losing horse. Why continue promoting Kate - there simply is no rehabilitating her in the public eye. It's weird. It almost feels as if the powers that be are determined to force Kate down our throats, and we keep spitting her back out. LOL
aggiemom, 65....let's compare, a lunch lie vs. fertility fib. Oh yeah, they are about the same level of deception.
I can't even imagine such a fraud in a marriage. Who saved the invoice and the wrapper? She is dumb if she didn't destroy it. Can you just imagine the conversation when she had to explain the paper trail to Jon?
He has protected her beyond the call of kindness. She is so bold when she attacks him knowing what he could reveal about her. He is truly a "gentleman".
This guy Andy wont ask her a single thing. He will tease her a bit about some of the recent revalations, and she will giggle, flirt, dab fake tears, the usual.
No one will ever confront her unless you put her in front of real journalists like 60 Minutes. The rest of these bafoons are all merely runners up to the "Spokesmodel" category on Starsearch from 25 years ago. All tooth whitener and hair shellac, just like Kate. ====
Hi Dwindle. I think you're right. This is all a game to the producers/hosts/guests alike. It's for entertainment and entertainment alone. If it were serious no one would dare go on the show. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Some just have more bones than others.
I sure like the 60 minutes-type interview idea though. Oh how I'd love to see the truth come out about her scam. Unfortunately I think she's just old tabloid news to 'real' news programs. Something you'd wrap your fishscales in.
Exactly Aggie'sMom - Kate promoted herself heavily in the early days as a devout Christian and devoted wife. Yet she went behind Jon's back to purchase drugs from out of the country and made risky medical decisions.
That entry about Kate freaking out over Jon having lunch and then trying to deny it - talk about a scary control freak. I think she tried to put Jon on a 3 grapes/2 crackers diet like the kids, but when he was out in the real world (and not under her watchful eye), he'd eat like a regular person. She wasn't angry about his lying, she was angry because he disobeyed her strict commands. If there weren't children suffering because of her twisted mentality, she would actually be an interesting case study.
Had to pop in on this one about Andy Cohen(Exec VP of Original (new) Programming & Development) and Morgan Fairchild(Board Member of Screen Actor's Guild). Andy is a grad of Bos U where he majored in broadcast journalism. His resume' reads like Golden Boy with 10 yrs sr producer The Early Show,Sr Producer 48 hrs., major news broadcast producer He is no dummy. He was voted one of 25 most influential people in TV by TV Guide just this year. He came up with the Housewives Franchise, Queer Eye, Kathy Griffin, Top Chef franchises, Millionaire matchmaker, bethanny show, Project runway. Lots awards/nominations. I love the way he looks: boyish, laughs at questions, but he has a way of twisting you into knots. He makes people nervous at times. He can just feel the energy or lack of it or the stupid flirting. Now Morgan Fairchild is no dummy as tomatoes said: from Texas did local TV shows/commercials since a child & parents Eng HS teachers. Double for Faye Dunaway in Bonnie & Clyde. She has been acting all of this time, she is 62 and she has been on every situation comedy& guested forever (really has been a working actress all of these years) anyone remember Dalls & Flamingo Rd. theater, soap operas, latest work on Friends as Chandler's mom. Nom for Emmys & Golden Globes. Major info on her? She sits on the Board of SAG (Screen Actor's Guild) and has for over 3 terms or more. Committees:Legislative Com, Natl Exec Com, Commercial Contracts Co, Also SAG-AFTRA Comm. She is intelligent. She is full of plastic surgery and speaks about it. She is an accomplished person in a 25 yr relationship with an exec movie prod.Also had been kidnapped early in her career or someone tried to kidnap her 2x.
Okay did the background, so we know what Dippity Do with the horrible look posted on BRAVO TV has in her resume: child and animal and hubby abuser, thief, grifter, liar, no talent, none, can't do anything but cash gift cards, hide money and bad mouth Jon and make sure he never gets a job and (halfway to prison).Bravo TV site has terrible photo of Kate. Long, horsey face, biggest caps on her teeth (why did she do all of that) and her dyed and fried hair and she is orange with a red dress on.
Andy Cohen is looking for original programming. BRAVO has a couple of matchmaker shows. I personally would say that although I don't watch much of BRAVO of E that his chosen people are saavy to making their shows what those magazines live for: DRAMA. Kate is not a smart person.She has no master of the English language and that is there, right out of her mouth with the ish, est, etc. JMO for sheeples.
JMO Milo (I do go for the Jaime, spelled backwards, who else has such info plus where did she disappear to during that Ala trip when she had visited Kate and they washed the big, gigantic stove vent, wasn't it around that time, maybe she was one of those that travelled down to Ala, who else would be dumb enough to help Kate drive that van and a u haul?)Plus during that time, Milo disappeared from tweeting, didn't she.
Why oh why did I do this Wikipedia research? Addiction to seeing Kate fall so far down her ladder that she looks up and sees there are no longer rungs on the ladder.
Hope this gets posted. Not saying this show being shown tonight is going be anything but Andy is like a dog with a bone if he thinks he has zinged you. He made Meryl Streep admit she wanted to see Dustin Hoffman dead when she could have said "no comment" as the drinks keep coming. Andy asks questions with a boyish laugh but his face turns serious looking at the guest like am I getting somewhere. Maybe it will be a let down, it is only a half hour show with commercials but he does allow 2 call ins and asks a question for tweeting for some type of poll like whose plastic surgery looks better Morgan or Kate. He is wicked. Too much to read? Hope not.
Maggie said... 29 ''What I don't understand and yet nobody has answered is can Robert state that it was Kate's shot and not the Dr.'s "final" shot that caused more than the 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before? Simply question...Yes or No answer. Can Robert state unequivocally that it was Kate's shot that causes more than the original 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?'' ~~~~~ Many people have explained it to you over and over...yet you keep asking. You've said you accept that Kate ordered the meds secretly, You are stuck on ONE question that YOU have decided is a problem. It is not a problem. KK gave herself a secret shot right after the Doctor's last shot.
Simple answer...Can YOU state unequivocally that it was NOT KK's shot that caused more mature follicles? Why can't you let this go?
Dmasy said... 32 Maggie -- Robert, nor anyone else, can know for sure how the HCG multiple shots affected Kate.
The significant point is that Kate has always said she wanted "one more child -- only one more." There is now evidence that those words were a cover for her desire to have media-worthy amount of children.
She lied. Unbelievable, I know. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Excellent points!
And let's not forget, Kate did not use the Dr. she used for the twins because that Dr. wanted to do *IVF* and transfer ONLY ONE EMBRYO. That ethical Dr. wanted to ensure that this young, strapped couple who already had twins, had no chances of ending up with more than one baby. "Just One More" (haha) Kate ditched that Dr. and looked for one who would do more IUI.
It didn't make sense why Kate didn't use the same Dr. for the twins and she never gave a good reason why she switched. Wasn't the new Dr. much farther away?
It is downright sickening how she plotted, schemed and planned a HOM pregnancy all for her own greedy, selfish desires. It's even more sickening how she abused/abuses them and treats them with contempt and disgust when they aren't earning her any money.
And when I think about the old J+K+8 show opening where we hear Kate explain "just one more" so innocently. My gosh, how we were totally had. I believed it with gusto.
At this point, re: Maggie, who really cares aout the Hcg and what it did? Kate apparently ordered the drug from another country, had it sent to a secret PO box. She lied to her doctor, lied to her husband, ended up with 6 more children. Who cares how it worked, if it worked, etc.? The real story is what happened from that point forward. It's time to let the science part go, or go ask an ob/gyn if you don't get it.
The talk show is unique in that the main focus is on having fun and that it is always done live. Most talk shows are pre-taped so they might be behind when it comes to current event. Andy does not have a band or a co-host and the atmosphere is very light. He will often allow viewers to ask his guests questions by phone, Twitter, or Facebook so the process is very interactive. There are also poll questions where viewers can text their answers during the live broadcast.
She wasn't angry about his lying, she was angry because he disobeyed her strict commands. If there weren't children suffering because of her twisted mentality, she would actually be an interesting case study. ---- not to push the point, but according to Kate's journal, she was angry that he LIED..she didn't want a liar around her children, it would teach them to lie.
This woman has some serious mental issues. I wonder how long after they married Jon figured out she was nuts?
I think it gives us a window into Jon's mental issues when married to Kate. If he as a grown man felt he needed to lie like a 3rd grader about having lunch in Philly, he must have been treading water under the surface like a duck brother. I think it was his immaturity when they married and Kate's knowing he'd cower under her rule. Kate set up this dynamic and unfortunately, it would take years for Jon to "just be Jon". I'm glad he's being Jon now. Jon's no longer afraid of you Kate. His eyes are opened.
Does anyone remember that Kate once said on a couch segment something like because of this show we have exceeded all our expectations. Sorry, kind of wordy and not verbatim but that's basicly what she said. What did she mean??
Okay , I'll answer my own question. Kate freaking planned the multiples for money! I think the fame was the exceeded part! Everything just fell in her lap, her only obstacle to take it further was herself!
Maggie don't worried about it, I'm the same way. When I want to know something it has to be perfect or it drives me crazy until I do!
The whole situation is just nuts. Suppose you knew this couple:
Young, have twins. He's unemployed, so they decide they want more kids. She has to have expensive infertility treatments, yet they have no money. They do it anyway. They have no insurance.
She gets pregnant with a lot of kids. They expect their friends, family and the state to pay. FOR EVERYTHING.
WTFFFFF????
I am gonna put it all out there and say it....if this wasn't a white,married, (supposedly) christian couple, this NEVER would have floated with the public.
(look at how octomom was vilified).
Ok, I said it, I will go sit in the corner. Anyone want to hit me with a spoon?? lol
Dwindle, I guess you are the one that mentioned Ft. Campbell at some point. My SIL was stationed there when he and my daughter met.
Let's Throw Tomatoes, Tennessee is a beautiful state! I'm a transplanted yankee, but have lived here longer than anywhere else. Thanks to both for commenting.
At this point, re: Maggie, who really cares aout the Hcg and what it did? Kate apparently ordered the drug from another country, had it sent to a secret PO box. She lied to her doctor, lied to her husband, ended up with 6 more children. Who cares how it worked, if it worked, etc.? The real story is what happened from that point forward. It's time to let the science part go, or go ask an ob/gyn if you don't get it. ________________________ Wow, Orange Crush, no need to be snippy. A OB/GYN would not know the answer to my question.
I was one of the first ever poster's on this blog. I agree that Kate 100% ordered the shot, her shot increased the odds of more multiplies, and the selfishness of her not caring about having so many multiplies when the odds greatly increase for birth defects. I always believed this BEFORE I asked ONE question about Robert's book.
And we should all care about the truth of what Robert claims as fact. And since the book's title about how she fooled the world is 100% related to this topic and the shot she gave herself we should be able to ask a question without certain posters being snide. If Robert wrote that Kate's shot clearly increased the odds of her having multiplies I would not have questioned it in the least. But that is not what he wrote.
Robert wrote that Kate's shot is what caused her body to go from 3 to 4 mature follicles to 7 follicles. That is incorrect and a misstatement of facts. In fact, Robert wrote this in reference to this, "So Kate went back to see her ‘African doctor’ and he was “in a trance,” and “visibly shaken,” according to her. I’ll bet he was visibly shaken, as he was trying to figure out how in the Hell three, possibly four mature follicles magically turned into seven."
I was only asking this question because I have never been pregnant and don't have kids. I thought since Robert was so dogmatic I must have missed something in his writings. I am a fan of Robert's but I do question important things that don't make sense to me.
Orange, you wrote, who really cares aout the Hcg and what it did and how it worked. Well, apparently Robert cared very much about HCG and what it did and how it worked.
NOTE: I dropped this subject hours ago. I made 2 recent posts about another topic. I wasn't going to bring this subject up again until Orange's post. Subject is closed as far as I am concerned.
Perez Hilton did post an article about Kate and the dogs. But it's not on his main page, it's on "Teddy Hilton"'s page, where he writes about celebrities and their pets.
Tomatoes -- Librarylady may be a Reds fan, but I'm a HUGE REDS FAN! I yelled and screamed (not in a good way) when Posey hit that Grand Slam. The Reds have had so many opportunities to put the series away and have just fallen short every time. Most discouraging. OTOH, no one expected them to be in the post season to begin with, and after Votto went down, no one expected them to increase their lead in the division. Season of minor miracles, at the very least.
I was helping a friend do some research today and came across the following website. Check it out and see if you recognize anyone we know. http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html. It's a real eye-opener.
Angie @75 - Thank for saying what I've been trying to say since we found out hate was going to be on WWHL. Andy has zinged better people than Kate. I'm set t watch it tonight and I hope he doesn't disappoint. I also sent in a question earlier in the week about her "good bra".
I looked up Courtney and Allen Tipping, the couple pregnant with sextuplets in 2009 looking for support from Kate and Kate brushed her off as only 8 weeks along and seemed threatened. Turns out, Courtney lost all 6. Congrats Kate, the threat was eliminated.
I am gonna put it all out there and say it....if this wasn't a white,married, (supposedly) christian couple, this NEVER would have floated with the public.
Exactly aggiemom, and what Jon and Kate both did was used the church circuits on the "we refused to reduce theme." J&K were not accepted at first by many people, many saw her as self serving and greedy, except the churches. I wholeheartedly agree had everyone known that they could not afford what they had, then had more they certainly could not have afforded, it would have raised a ton more eyebrows. Not to mention if what Robert is now saying is true and was added into the mix.
While I do not and did not give Jon a pass I think he felt awkward continuing to speak in the churches as his conscience get to him.
Kate didn't want a "liar" around her kids. Maybe that's what happened with Jodi, Kevin, Beth, Ashley, etc. who disappeared from the kids' lives. The truth was too painful for Kate. This new book must be eating her up. She wants to keep fooling the world, and it just isn't working. Maybe the teflon coating will eventually disappear completely. Here's hoping that happens.
I believe that as long as she gets a few television gigs (such as tonight) and is able to continue grifting for toilet tissue and coffee, she will still see herself as the "stah". I know, delusional. Truth is, sometimes when I am writing here the pity I feel for the kids comes to mind and I can barely continue. It's so difficult to understand a mother putting herself in the position to be disliked and at times despised and seen as a pathetic greedy grifter. We all realize she is desperate to be given another show and all the while she herself must know the true interest in the Gosselins was the children. We all see this, so who is leading her on to believe she, herself, has something to offer the entertainment business?
Anon 93 said While I do not and did not give Jon a pass I think he felt awkward continuing to speak in the churches as his conscience get to him. ---------- You are correct. Robert said that is exactly what happened in 2008. He told Kate it was wrong what they were doing taking the church money and he wouldn't go to any more churches. He then said that was when the marriage ended.
NJGal51 said... 44 OT as I know that most of you don't like Honey Boo Boo but any toys/gifts/money that she receives between now and Christmas she is giving to a local Christmas toy drive for kids in GA (Kids Yule Luv). http://tinyurl.com/9laxm7g
Rather than grift for more, more, more, this is something that Kate should have been doing dince the begining.
http://tinyurl.com/9laxm7g __________________________________________ I love HBB!! (the person, not the show) and what a nice deed for her to do. Kate would NEVER in million freaking years even consider donating in the same fashion. Nope. What a selfish bitch.
aggiemom09121416 said... 86 The whole situation is just nuts. Suppose you knew this couple:
Young, have twins. He's unemployed, so they decide they want more kids. She has to have expensive infertility treatments, yet they have no money. They do it anyway. They have no insurance.
She gets pregnant with a lot of kids. They expect their friends, family and the state to pay. FOR EVERYTHING.
WTFFFFF????
I am gonna put it all out there and say it....if this wasn't a white,married, (supposedly) christian couple, this NEVER would have floated with the public.
(look at how octomom was vilified).
Ok, I said it, I will go sit in the corner. Anyone want to hit me with a spoon?? lol &&&&&&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
I agree. Octomom was on public assistance just like the Gosselins. She was out of work, just like the Gosselins. She was/is mentally unbalanced, just like Kate. But Nadya is of Middle East descent and that just doesnt fly in this country right now. Plus she didnt have the benefit of learning her lines at the dinner table from a live-in preacher, like Kate did. Kate knew the words, the cadence, the hands-in-air schtic to get the church folk plunking bucks into that offering plate. Kate was raised with the act.
I also have always thought that by the time Nadya had those babies and made it clear right away she wanted a reality show, the public had had enough of the Greedy Gosselin Grifters and that was part of the anger at Nadya.
Milo's also a HUGE dog lover. I agree with whomever said Shoka's death--if that is so and ever proven-- might throw Milo to the dark side *****************
aggiemom 86 -- Jon wasn't unemployed when they decided to try for another baby. He was working for the company they later lied about and said fired him because they didn't want to insure 6 more babies (so presumably they also had insurance, too).
DRATTED GIANTS!! They beat my Reds! Boo! Hiss!!!!!!! Now I'll root for the Nationals(Actually, I'll root for any team that isn't St. Louis)!
There was another couple mentioned in the book (from AZ maybe? her name was Stacie)..Kate is gleeful that two of her viable eggs (or follicles, whatever the term was) were considered of 'poor quality'. When Kate finds that out, she says "YES!!"
she's got a judgement coming to her that is gonna hurt. b-a-d.
Kate just proves what a horrible, mean spirited, selfish, vain shrew she is by continuing to show her face in public since the release of this book. If that had been me, I would have dug a hole so deep it would reach the other side of the planet (I would have said 'globe', but that's a sensitive word,lol)...well, it I *did* dig that whole all the way through, guess I could consider that a 'free' trip?? lol
quit hitting me with a wooden spoon...I wasn't lying, just thought it was the truth, lol..
I thought he was unemployed when she wanted the just one more thing. Robert says Jon's dad paid for the procedures. Maybe the procedures weren't paid for with insurance...but that still means the same thing, if you can't afford more kids, you shouldn't have more kids.
This is interesting (and frightening) on several levels. And don't get me wrong: I think this Honey Boo Boo show is obnoxious and with it, TLC continues to sink deeper into the cesspool that is reality tv exploitation.
1. It's exactly what we've been talking about, the risk to the Gosselin kids from so much exposure and reporting of their whereabouts.
2. This jumps out at me:
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"The family’s current residence – located in an isolated, heavily wooded area of McIntyre, next to the railroad tracks and behind a sub shop – makes them an easy target for a kidnapping.
“They’ve thought about moving, but the problem is that TLC has them locked under contract to keep their lifestyle – and that means they have to stay put,” explained the source.
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SO, TLC knows there might be a kidnapping attempt and threat to the child and family, but the "contract" demands the family maintain their white trash lifestyle, meaning staying put. That's how I read it. And we already deeply suspect that TLC knew the Gosselin children were being abused. But the $$$ from the exploitation of the Gosselin children and little Alana trump it all for TLC.
Aggiesmom:not to push the point, but according to Kate's journal, she was angry that he LIED..she didn't want a liar around her children, it would teach them to lie. * * *
I agree that Kate said in her journal that her reason for being so angry at Jon was because he lied about having lunch (while away at work that day?). However, my belief is that her anger stemmed more from Jon not following her directives - she probably forbade him to eat out, then saw the credit card statement and immediately put the hammer down. Husbands and children who do not obey without question must be punished, right Kate?
I have had a couple of friends who ended up in abusive relationships, and the big issue is always control by the abuser. Control over every aspect of the other person. So I see that in Kate's journaling about this incident. Jon did not obey her, did not follow her instructions, and this made her furious. I still say it wasn't the fact he lied, it was the fact that by choosing to make his own decision on where and when to eat lunch, he showed that he wasn't completely under her thumb. That could not be tolerated.
aggiemom -- Sorry. I'll take 10 lashes with that wooden spoon. Just don't leave any marks or bruises. I agree with you, they had no business going for another child. Reportedly, Jon didn't want to. He was over the moon about the twins and was perfectly happy as a family of 4. KK wore him down. I also agree with you about them being a white/middle class/Christian couple. When the McGhees, in Columbus, had their sextuplets, they got all sorts of grief over it, even though she had a good job (executive position with Chase Bank) and he was starting his own business (installing and cleaning carpets), were Christian, and had been married for over 10 years. I think most of the vitriol directed at them was because they were AA. They had a rough time of it to begin with, but when a new family homeless shelter was built they showed up with donations of unneeded and/or outgrown equipment, clothing and packs of diapers. Did KK ever do anything like that?
Sorry, Maggie, truly did not intend to come across as snippy, just finding this whole shot thing done and done. Actually I think Robert's interpretation is medically inaccurate, but what can you do, a lot of this is pure conjecture. My husband has done work in infertility; I described some of this to him, he just shook his head about the shots increasing the follicles. My real point is that no matter how this happened, the real story involves the lies, and more lies.
Moving onto Madame's Bravo appearance. As I have said before I hope someone, anyone, chews her up and spits her out tonight.
Maggie said: And we should all care about the truth of what Robert claims as fact.
* * * Maggie - I read everything with my critical thinking skills. I read Robert's book (part way - it's very painful reading). Parts that I feel are extraneous (his own commentary for example) or parts that seem questionable to me - I discount them accordingly.
You are asking a group of non medical professionals to answer a very specific medical question. Why do you think we know the answer to your question? Why not go on a medical message board and ask there instead?
People are simply pointing out that we don't know if Kate's second shot at home caused her to have a HOM pregnancy. However, we are pointing out that the bigger issue (to me anyway) is the fact that she secretly purchased this drug from Canada, had it sent to a phony name at a P.O. box, hid this info from her fertility doctor and her husband, and possibly compromised her health and the health of her future babies by doing so.
It is not my job nor my concern to fact check everything in Robert's book. Nor is it my job to allow one unanswered question take up my entire focus. So I am moving on and wish you the best of luck in your quest for an answer to your one question. Again - perhaps a fertility board or medical message board would be of more help to you than asking a bunch of non-medical experts here, repeatedly.
Well, one of my posts seems to have disappeared. So -- I'll post this again. I came across this website when I was helping a friend do some research. Read it and see if you recognize anyone we know. http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html.
Does Kate honestly not realize how much credence that she, herself, has put into Robert's book by having her lawyers remove it from Amazon? Doing that just tells the world that the book is the truth. She most definitely isn't the brightest bulb in the package. They also don't realize just how many of us have already downloaded the book and have it saved to our hard drives. Pulling it was useless.
Thanks Orange for the apology and thanks to the others that nicely responded to my question. I really do appreciate it. And no Dr. or medical board could have answered the question of why did Robert state that it was Kate's shot that caused her increase of follicles. Again, I thought I was missing something in his writing about this that made him so dogmatic.
And for all the posters who apparently thought I beat the question to death, besides the initial question, I only made 3 posts in follow-up. After that I only responded to the snide remarks after I had moved on and made 2 other posts that had nothing to do with my question.
I have heard many say, if you don't like the post, scroll past. Well...
Maggie, don't get upset, I asked that same question last night. I just think both injections occured within 24 hrs now.
My question or just my opinion is the reason Kate kept that box, that empty medicine containing box with her phony name and PO Box # is If that show had not been hit by Jon leaving, she was going to reorder more and she would have done anything to create that BRAND.
quit hitting me with a wooden spoon...I wasn't lying, just thought it was the truth, lol.. ------ I need to go back to gosselin 101 and take a refresher course,lol... I remembered him being unemployed, you said he was, so ok! lololol But I do remember Robert saying the father in law paying for the treatments.
we still friends???? :)
(Disclaimer: If I ever say anything that in any way is a personal slam on anyone here, you can banish me to the compound!!!!!!! I think you guys are awesome, and I am happy happy happy that you let me play in your sandbox. Here me Dwindle?? I am SINGING with JOY!!)
Does Morgan Fairchild have a Twitter account? Maybe she's the person to Tweet questions to. She's not invested in Kate & might relay a couple of enlightening facts if given the opportunity.
Was it Librarylady that likes the Reds? *************** Nope, not me, lol! Not a follower of professional sports, really, since the glory days of the Indians, ha ha.
(Now, my son is going to get a nice lecture from Mom who found out that he skipped math class just before a midterm to watch that game - fellow is missing high school sports too much still and needed a "tourny-type" fix, apparently at the risk of a midterm review...)
RE Kate tonight - I never heard of the show, actually, and won't watch, but it will be interesting to hear what transpires. Don't people call in live? Or are questions screened beforehand, just in case she doesn't like one?
Ramona Blue said... Many people have explained it to you over and over...yet you keep asking. You've said you accept that Kate ordered the meds secretly, You are stuck on ONE question that YOU have decided is a problem. It is not a problem. KK gave herself a secret shot right after the Doctor's last shot.
Simple answer...Can YOU state unequivocally that it was NOT KK's shot that caused more mature follicles? Why can't you let this go? --------------- And why do you object to some intelligent debate? I don't happen to think that reading a few blurbs on the internet about the effect of HCG on ovulation qualifies anyone here as an authority. I know enough to know that I don't know enough--that is one of the pitfalls of getting an education.
Remarks like this are why we lose good posters like Pjs Momma. If Kate managed to pull this off by injecting herself with one dose of HCG, then she is an absolute genius. In any case, Admin has been admant about keeping this blog respectable. Since no one here has stated that they have the credentials as a fertility specialist, no one's opinion is any more valid than anyone else's. I think it was stupid of Robert to even go there--it is one of the reasons that his book lacks credibility.
Dmasy said... 118 Robert has a new post at Gosselin book site. Shoka. No information. But, nice to know he is around and poking at Kate. ____________________________________
Regarding whether the show was taped yesterday or will be live tonight - some people in the last post were saying that Andy had another show or something he had to do live tonight until 11:00 and couldn't be there in time, so for that reason, they had to tape Kate's show on Wednesday.
aggiemom -- Of course we're friends. Don't be silly. It's easy to get mixed up. Jon was unemployed (I think) when the six were born, but not when they were conceived.
I tend to agree with posters here who think Robert is very biased against KK and that his commentary in the book is slanted. However, I think part of that is because he's seen the grief she's brought to his friend, Jon, seen the way she treats her kids and it hurts his father's heart, and is tired of seeing her get a pass on everything while Jon gets (deservedly at times) dumped on. I read all his comments; some I agreed with and some I didn't, but I don't discount them completely. All biographers have a certain slant or bias to their writing. It sort of goes with the territory, and, as Robert said, he isn't a professional writer and he didn't use an editor, so the problems are compounded. The important part of the book is, IMO, not his opinions but his outing of KK's greed, cruelty and abusiveness, in her own words.
Dmasy said... 118 Robert has a new post at Gosselin book site. Shoka. No information. But, nice to know he is around and poking at Kate. ____________________________________
Thanks PatK for the shitty uncalled remark. I have had it. Thanks for those who were kind. I am out of here. I suffer greatly with bad chronic pain for over 25 years every day of my life and severe depression and severe abuse from my mother who I am forced to live with.
Hope all the ugly, smug posters are happy I am gone. Some of you are disgusting.
readerlady said... 109 Well, one of my posts seems to have disappeared. So -- I'll post this again. I came across this website when I was helping a friend do some research. Read it and see if you recognize anyone we know. http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html.
I read this and must agree it sure sounds like someone we know! Robert is actually following advice in the article about DOCUMENTING information!
readerlady said... I tend to agree with posters here who think Robert is very biased against KK and that his commentary in the book is slanted. However, I think part of that is because he's seen the grief she's brought to his friend, Jon, seen the way she treats her kids and it hurts his father's heart, and is tired of seeing her get a pass on everything while Jon gets (deservedly at times) dumped on. ______________ In agreeance....I think it really damages his credibility and dilutes the effects of the real facts and evidence in the book. If we jump on the bandwagon without question, it damages the credibility of this blog--which, I really do help get her off of TV. Many of us started out as fans (maybe to strong of a word--I watched because of the adorable kids and the chaos that the family faced). Once I started seeing red flags, it was the old GWOP and this blog that laid out the case against her. Since so many of the posters are clearly intelligent and logical, this is the only blog that I participate in. When we start jumping to conclusions, it just damages our case against her. The facts alone are horrifying--doesn't need embellishments.
On the topic of Jon's lie about lunch--anyone who is married knows that no one knows what happens in another's marriage. It is probable that this was not the first time Jon lied about something. Anyone who has not experienced someone they love looking them in the eye and lying have no idea how crazy making that is. I do believe that Kate was abusive and violent. I am just asking that people open up their view and see that there was a very sick family dynamic and that both of them contributed. To it and reacted to each other. According to many posters, their relationship problems were all Kate's fault. That is just too simplistic a view to be true. I have had relationships with passive-agressive men like Jon--they are impossible to relate to on an adult level and will always blame someone else for their behavior.
My only thing about Kate blistering Jon on the lunch thing is....damn,he was gone for the day, what did she expect him to do, STARVE until he got home? It's been said that she only gave him 5.00 a week, so what's he supposed to do? I think Kate just was just pissed he put it 'on the card', as she said. She didn't have a bit of trouble putting her over the border medicine 'on the card', nor renting a mailbox to receive the meds. I am Robert's side. Kate even goes off in her journal about how she doesn't want a houseful of liars like Jon. wtf?? Kate wouldn't know the truth if it bit her in her fake as*.
Good grief, he was HUNGRY, he ought to be able to EAT. she drives me nuts with her hypocrisy. She learned how to lie later,...'i have a purseful of bills i can't drop in the mail.' geesh
aggiemom, Dwindle, Admin, et al - I agree 100%! Jon was unemployed, Kate claimed they didn't have a lot of money, they already had 2 children they were struggling to support, so why spend money on more fertility treatments? Why plan on having more babies that you couldn't afford? Then expect the state and donations to support your poor decision? Octomom is struggling and has made some poor choices, but what is the difference between what she did and Kate did? They are not so very different in their poor choices.
On another note, Maggie, I'm sorry if you were offended and I'm sorry for the pain you have to deal with daily. I hope you reconsider because alot of the posters here can offer wonderful support and encouragement. Take care and God bless.
@Ex-Nurse, I totally disagree that Robert's commentary diminishes his credibility. The majority of the book is Kate's own words - she has damned herself. Robert's commentary comes from his anger at how she has abused her children. I would hope all of us would be as angry as Robert at what he has seen and has read about what has gone on inside that hell-house. The man had the courage to come forth and expose this evil, evil, woman and kudos to him.
Ex nurse in general I agree it takes two to screw up a marriage but I just can't agree that Kate doesn't bear most of the responsibility if not all. We have too much material showing how Kate has treated countless people poorly. Just one example how she talked to Jen Stocks in chapter 11 and her subsequent backhanded apology. Just one of many. We have a very, very good idea how Kate treats people, good decent people at that. She is a very unstable, anti social, diabolical, manipulative, mentally ill woman. My eyes are wide open don't worry, and what I see here is a host of dysfunctional relationships which all have one thing in common. Kate. I don't believe any man, even the perfect husband, could withstand her. It's very telling that despite wanting to date, nothing serious has happened in three years. There is a reason men won't date her and its not the eight kids.
Maggie said... 126 Thanks PatK for the shitty uncalled remark. I have had it. Thanks for those who were kind. I am out of here. I suffer greatly with bad chronic pain for over 25 years every day of my life and severe depression and severe abuse from my mother who I am forced to live with. ------------ Maggie--hope you will reconsider. That was completely uncalled for. I think we are all being traumatized by what was revealed in the book. I know that I have a sense of helplessness about the G8 and it is definitely effecting my mood and my posts. If we are to accomplish anything, we need to be respectful and patient with each other. Who knows--maybe we can actually learn from those who have different opinions.
In any case, I appreciated your thoughtful writing today and I wish you luck. If the intolerance here continues, the blog will dwindle (not you Dwindle) down to the anti-sheeple--opposite sides of same coin.
Robert is just asking about the whereabouts and well-being of Shoka, as are many others. That picture is an old one, showing both Nala and Shoka...not a recent one.
Regarding Kate being upset because Jon "lied". Knowing what we know about Kate, she has no right to be self-righteous if someone lies with all the BS she has dished out. Reminds me of my grandma's saying: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
If the intolerance here continues, the blog will dwindle (not you Dwindle) down to the anti-sheeple--opposite sides of same coin.
There is no intolerance problem here. Maggie spent days asking the same questions. She didn't like the answers she was given and went on and on and on. When she was called out on it she got vulgar. That's on her, not this blog.
Maggie, please don't go. Many of us have been hurt by words here but we are all different and conflicts happen.
Personally, I appreciated your questions because I didn't understand the whole shot thing either.
There are so many of us here and we are all heartbroken and sick by Kate's own words. The fact that she's still smiling and appearing on TV has made us all more sensitive and disgusted.
We've been watching this train wreck for 4 years and when it finally crashed (RH book), nobody payed attention.
It is up to US to keep this book and it's words alive.
Admin said... Ex nurse in general I agree it takes two to screw up a marriage but I just can't agree that Kate doesn't bear most of the responsibility if not all. --------------------- Thank you for your respectful disagreement. I think that the reason it is hard to see Jon's responsibility in the family dynamic is because his dysfunctional behavior is in his inaction and passivity. People naturally gravitate to people that have characteristics that they themselves lacked. When they met, he was drifting in life and was probably attracted to Kate's assertiveness and driven personality.
In my experience, people in long-term marriages often end up hating the very characteristics that initially attracted them. They are simply extremes on the opposite side of the spectrum. It takes two to tango (not that Kate would know).
Kate has a very jealous nature and apparently she is competitive as well. History tells us that she went after younger Jon when he already had a steady girlfriend. That fact is so telling. She gets what she wants at any cost. Still applies. She wanted to be famous and she knew that having HOM's would put them on the map. Kate and Jon duped many good, generous Christians in to helping this needy young family. It's good to know that Jon became uncomfortable with the con and wanted it to stop. There is hope for him. The greed that we know about is just horrific. Other large families "make it" through life without grifting. My dad came from a family of 12 kids. His parents worked. No child went hungry and they survived the depression era. Go figure?
Wow, are the people on this blog supposed to be therapist for others that haven't dealt with their childhood and or even on-going issues? I hate the broad brushes used to paint the posters here when someone isn't kowtowed to. The respond to me, don't ignore me posts are especially random to me since there are 1000s of posts and really I find it hard the few times I can comment to remember every little post. It's not that I don't care for a person when I don't try and jump on and welcome a person or offer a condolence but also doesn't mean I don't care either. This is a Gosselin board not a support board for adult children survivors or other MH issues. Maggie, that was pretty darn insulting to many posters that aren't here to be your shoulder to cry on or whipping post. Admin has email, which is where she's told folks many times to take their issues. I really don't think anyone here is qualified to assist you deal with your abusive mother or chronic pain. I do hope your county as a Crisis Assessment Center that you can call, as perhaps that is where you need to go to deal with that left over anger over the parenting you received, as well as, your hostility about the chronic pain you suffer.
For the people that want to judge Robert too harshly....remember he knows a lot more. I am sure he has reached his limit. The book is credible to me and that's why Kate is spending so much money to get it bury.
I think it's borderline blaming the victim. If the shoe were on the other foot no one would say a woman is responsible for how badly she is treated because she's passive. I SEE Jon's flaws I am not blind to it, I just don't blame that for the issues in this abusive relationship. I have also see far more good out of him and believe he can and has had a very functional, positive relationship with women who are not mentally ill.
There are no perfect people or perfect marriages. You work through your differences. The problem here is not that Jon was passive or Jon had flaws like all partners do. Many marriages have that issue and are able to work through it and do just fine. The problem here is Kate and her issues went far beyond normal, expected flaws to the point of true deranged behavior.
It does look like the show was pre-taped. According to Andy's twitter he is having dinner with Jane Fonda ahead of some event they will both be at tonight.
I think some folks were just frustrated the same question had been asked and answered many times. Folks can be more patient or just scroll past, and if those askig don't understand after asking more than twice, move on as well. I don't see anything wrong with how this was handled other than a little display of frustration, a normal emotion. The blog is not going the way of the sheeple or whatever insulting thing was said. It was people justifiably upset is all, it happens. It also helps to always bear in mind that we're getting a lot of comments lately. It can't always be the small porch gathering it once was, which has its good and bad points.
Admin, I agree with your comments about the marriage falling apart.
Ex-Nurse, I have been married to the same wonderful man for almost 27 years. However, prior to that I had a brief marriage of 3 years to someone who was controlling and abusive. I found myself lying to him about miniscule things because I knew it would cause a huge argument and he would get abusive, verbally and sometimes physically. When I couldn't take anymore I finally left that marriage. What is telling is that when he knew I was getting fed up, he wanted a baby! To his way of thinking, that would make me stay for the sake of the child. I refused to get pregnant and left him. Yes, I'm sure I was partially responsible, but I still believe the majority of the failed marriage rested on him and his various abuses. This is just my opinion based on my own experiences.
(By the way, I was as young as Jon and Kate were when I married my first husband.)
Not your mental health counselor said... 143 ----- There's something to be said for having a compassionate heart, for reaching out to others who are hurting. I may not have a fancy psych degree hanging on my wall, but speaking for myself (hey Dwindle!!!lololol), I am humbled by the many, many posters here who reach out to someone who is hurting... If the posters here didn't care about their fellow man, this blog wouldn't exist!
" I really don't think anyone here is qualified to assist you deal with your abusive mother or chronic pain." ----I think you are wrong...those that have suffered the same circumstances can extend a word of understanding, some words of comfort that may help that person make it through some difficult memories.
And I wish Maggie would reconsider as well...I was confused as to the HCG med that was ordered, and tried to follow along with all the explanations, but I finally gave up trying to understand it since I am not in the medical field, either. But there was something WRONG with what Kate did...if you order medicine from another country under a fictitious name to a secret mailbox, you are up to something illegal or no-good.
Maggie I hope you come back. I have always read your comments like I do everybody else's !
With your health problems and your living conditions being poor and yet you dedicate your time to help children who are not even yours. I think you are a very kind person and you need to ignore nasty comments! I have only commented for a few months and I have gotten a few nasty attacks myself. But you should not let anyone keep you from expressing your opinion!
Readerlady, sorry I forgot you were the Reds fan. To bad you lost because I like Dusty but at least your team got to the playoffs my new adopted teams, Dodgers and Angels didn't even get to the playoffs! Oh we'll there's always next year!
I read with interest "Not a Mental Health Counselor" & your post. What is it about this Blog that bothers you the most? The fact that these people have been together a long time and have established a friendship, some a very long time and a very deep friendship? There is a common thread that runs through this Blog. The Blog is about Kate Gosselin and her actions along with her husband, TLC, child abuse, etc., and in between the care of these posters about what can they do to help, aid, support comes "life that happens" which sometimes needs to be said. It is not just a Kate Gosselin caring about a Kate Gosselin and no one else. It is about people sharing their lives, which happen to just pop up and sometimes relieves some of us of those events in our past which cost us angst now that we are so close to someone, through Robert's account, who could commit such horrendous abuse of 8 children, while projecting a country girl with Christ on her shoulder and a Plastic Surgeon on the other shoulder image.
Step back yourself, take a deep breath and if you have time read the 4 "Simple Rules" and if I were you, I would try #3. Thank you for your time.
Ex Nurse said... 117 ''......In any case, Admin has been admant about keeping this blog respectable. Since no one here has stated that they have the credentials as a fertility specialist, no one's opinion is any more valid than anyone else's.....'' ~~~~~~~~ Admin's posting rules: 3. No insulting other posters or picking fights, refusing to let things go and move on. My response to Maggie was more in the range of rule number 3....''refusing to let things go and move on.'' And now that I've explained my response, I'm doing just that.....moving on.
Hope all the ugly, smug posters are happy I am gone. Some of you are disgusting.
A few days early? Last Saturday we were gleeful, the Saturday before arrogant.
Questions are good. Points are valid. Asking the same question over and over, annoying. I don't think anyone has the answer to the question. It's all just speculation; different people each have a piece of the puzzle and some pieces are plain missing. The only one who knows the truth is Kate. And we all know how much of a truth teller SHE is. :-)
Paula, 153 -- I agree. If Robert wants to know where Shoka is, he has sufficient ways to find out. He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides.
He must infuriate her. And, I am fairly sure he enjoys the effect!
aggiemom and Angie, I agree with what you both posted. We are not claiming to have degrees psychiatry (probably spelled that wrong!), but we show compassion and support to those who need it for the life's ups and downs. Many times I have felt the compassion and support for things I have posted from my childhood, and it was so appreciated. It's like finding "kindred spirits" because some of us experienced the same things and found an outlet to talk about it.
My thanks to all the great people on this blog. And to you, Admin, for keeping it all together, which I'm sure has to be VERY difficult at times!
Maggie said... 126 Thanks PatK for the shitty uncalled remark. I have had it. Thanks for those who were kind. I am out of here. I suffer greatly with bad chronic pain for over 25 years every day of my life and severe depression and severe abuse from my mother who I am forced to live with. ------ I went back and re-read Maggie's testimony to her living situation. I can't imagine suffering chronic pain for 25 YEARS, can you? Add to that depression and having to live with an abusive parent. She's just reaching out, just like everyone else. (old story applies here...when you think you've got it bad, all you have to do is look to your neighbor). The older I get, the more time for reflection I have....if you don't love your fellow neighbor, you really are missing out.
Sorry Maggie, but I agree with Paula #139. Answers were given that you did not like and you kept harping on the same thing. This is what little kids do until they get their own way. This is a great blog with wonderful people that are very nice to each other. I am sorry that you have chronic pain and depression and that you will be feeling better. Long time reader, first time poster.
Add to that depression and having to live with an abusive parent. She's just reaching out, just like everyone else.
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I agree, Aggie. I really don't see the difference between Maggie reaching out and others doing the same thing, such as when someone loses a pet, someone has a parent who is terminally ill, or someone going for major surgery. And yet, for some reason, a poster or posters chastised her for it.
I agree that the blog is not a therapy board, but if others do it and it's okay, why not give the same compassion to all of those who are going through rough times?
I respect the right of posters to stay here -- reading and commenting. I respect the right of a poster to decide this is not a blog they enjoy and decide to stop contributing.
I just don't understand why insults are thrown in the path of their departure. Just go do something you like better and leave the rest of us to our happy ignorance.
Answers were given that you did not like and you kept harping on the same thing. This is what little kids do until they get their own way.
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I don't think it was a matter of her not LIKING the answers, but rather that she didn't understand and was just trying to disseminate the information that was given to her.
AuntieAnn said... 4 In a perfect world she will be tarred and feathered. ________________________
I hope tonight is that "perfect world." =====
I do too but I have my doubts. She really does manage to fall into shitpiles and come up smelling like a rose. I'm not going to get my hopes up that this Cohen show is going to be any different.
KathyB 127 -- Scary isn't it. Virtually every point. Those poor kids are so screwed.
Aggiemom -- No worries. Readerlady and Librarylady are very similar and we're both from Ohio, so it's easy to get us confused. There are so many people on the blog that it's sometimes difficult to remember the individual details.
Hmmmmm 149 -- Maybe Jon doesn't know where Shoka is? Or maybe Robert is keeping his distance from Jon so Jon doesn't get pulled any further into the controversy over the book any more than he already is.
Maggie -- Please don't go. Try to let go of the hurt feelings and continue to contribute. I understand your frustration. I could feel your frustration and confusion in your questions. The sad truth is there aren't any concrete answers for what you were asking. You've contributed a lot here with some of your posts and I think you need an outlet. Stay with us and let us be that outlet.
Tomatoes -- I like Dusty too and I think he's a good manager. The Reds dealt with adversity all year and still managed to put together a winning season. Unfortunately, he catches a lot of undeserved flack from some "fans". I hope the Reds owners renew his contract.
Remona 154: "3. No insulting other posters or picking fights, refusing to let things go and move on. My response to Maggie was more in the range of rule number 3....''refusing to let things go and move on.'' And now that I've explained my response, I'm doing just that.....moving on."
=================== Oops. I guess I interpreted this rule incorrectly. I thought since the first part of it had to do with picking fights and insulting poster, the "refusing to let things go and move on" meant that you don't continue to pick on people and insult them, but rather just let it go. Nobody wins and you just don't keep harping on it and attacking the other person. I didn't know that it meant that questions shouldn't be asked more than once when one was trying to make a point or find out an answer.
But, I guess moving on means moving on, or as Milo says "gettin Ur groove on..."
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So it looks like the show will be live. Maybe Andy is leaving the function with Jane Fonda a little bit early so that he may do his show.
Remarks like this are why we lose good posters like Pjs Momma. If Kate managed to pull this off by injecting herself with one dose of HCG, then she is an absolute genius. In any case, Admin has been admant about keeping this blog respectable. Since no one here has stated that they have the credentials as a fertility specialist, no one's opinion is any more valid than anyone else's. ~~~~~ Well said ex Nurse!
****** Tucker's Mom, I hope your bichon boy is feeling good tonight!
Dmasy said... 157 ''Paula, 153 -- I agree. If Robert wants to know where Shoka is, he has sufficient ways to find out. He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides. He must infuriate her. And, I am fairly sure he enjoys the effect!'' ~~~~~~ I think that Robert knows exactly where Shoka is. Yes, he's jabbing KK with a stick. Robert knows exactly how to get under her skin. The instant I saw the price of his book, $8.88, I knew Robert was going to poke at her. I hope that Robert is enjoying the effect he has on KK, because I sure am!!
What I think is different on Watch What Happens Live is that the conversation is so random, so fast. Khate will have to be going it without an earpiece - there would be no time for anyone to whisper an answer to her. And there will be alcohol involved. (how's that for a lunch table discussion at school - "saw your Mom doing shots on TV!") I don't believe she will be fast enough on her feet - remember how she stayed out of the conversations when she co-hosted The View?
I saw Andy Cohen on some show last week...maybe Anderson? (I was folding laundry, whatever was on for that 10 minutes) He was telling whomever that YES, he is a gay man, but he loves him some BOOBIES.
This is a gag question but how about Andy asks her what she thinks of the presidential race. Or even if that's too hard, to name one candidate, any candidate, of the two. I'm guessing at most she heard there's votes or something coming up.
I agree that WWHL did not go well....it was pre-taped and Kate has not tweeted about it at all! She tweeted up a STORM about "watch me on @katie couric" the day it was suppose to air. I think she waits until after she's done it to decide if it went well enough to promote...anything negative and it's total silence
I hope PJ knows I think that was probably just a drive by and she's always welcome here. It's interesting to me that it's fine to talk about not having very much money, but talk about having money and people freak out. Why is that, jealousy? It's not really a big deal either way, or shouldn't be. I'm happy for successful people especially for those who did it through hard work, I don't have a need to resent it or begrudge it. I wish Kate would be more honest about money. That's what bugs me, when people misrepresent their money.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 183 He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides. =====
haha Dmasy! I like that. What a funny visual.
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Shouldn't he be removing the stick that Kate already has in there before poking her with another? More than one stick could be very uncomfortable! ______________
I bet she'll remove it so she and Robert can duel it out.
I think both points of view are correct: Ex-Nurse wrote: "I am just asking that people open up their view and see that there was a very sick family dynamic and that both of them contributed. To it and reacted to each other..."
Jon chose her because she took control; she chose Jon because he let her have control. They ending up hating each other for the very things that initially attracted them. Add to that Kate's (obvious, IMO) pathology and the stress of multiples and it gets taken to a whole new level as Admin suggested.
The thing is, as Jon got healthier, Kate got crazier.
The only thing I object to, respectful, is asking people to "open up their view."
Just because there are different takes on who bore what responsibility for what doesn't mean anyone is being closed minded or not opening up. I don't think ex-Nurse is closed minded nor do I think the other view is either though.
Someone mentioned Jon. He did put that Stop Filming sign up, he did pull his kids off of TV. When TLC's legal dept came running, Jon got crushed. His own wife was in TLC's corner, not in their kid's corner.He left, he got drunk, stoned and then after a few months he found his way back. But she kept the kids in that konpound making them go to bed hungry for breathing. She dragged them around the country on K+8, those kids lost every relative; just camera people whom Kate thought loved her. I want to see this case go to court and Robert pull out every piece of info, bring everyone in to blow open this horrible life that these kids have been made to live. How many people have quit working for Kate? 20? More or less. How many people don't stay in touch with her? Someone on an post yesterday, while we were talking about the dresser and mirror and the destroyed bedroom, that a bunch of 6 little ones in one room could be destructive. I will never believe that. Those kids were too afraid of Kate to do anything like that. Maybe 2 of them would try to destroy but not the other 4. Scared to death of Kate, wouldn't do it. Had to be Kate.
Angie, I agree with everything you said above except for the part about thinking the film crew lover her. My opinion is that she didn't care one way or the other what they felt about her or the kids; that was just for show/publicity.
As long as she was being filmed, being put on TV, and getting big bucks for it, she doesn't care what anyone thought of her. She just wanted the fame and fortune.
"It's interesting to me that it's fine to talk about not having very much money, but talk about having money and people freak out. Why is that, jealousy? It's not really a big deal either way, or shouldn't be"
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Good question, and I think you answered it with your question. I don't think that it's jealousy, but rather because there are so many people struggling right now and unemployed, that when someone talks about how much money they have, how many houses they own, and that they are wealthy, it's almost like a slap in the face to those here who are going through rough times. It's like rubbing salt in an open wound. It's tough to go through economically rough times and to hold down multiple jobs just to survive, and then if someone talks about their accumulated wealth and giving money away, it's really hard to take for the people who don't have much at all. It might make them feel much worse than they already do, especially since people come on this blog to talk about various things, recipes, gardening, rumspringa, and forget their money woes even for a little while.
If you've worked hard all your life and are enjoying the result of that hard work, why is it necessary to make it public...why not just quietly enjoy that money, realizing that not everyone is as lucky as you?
LoveMyGrandsons said... 192 ''......thinking the film crew lover her. My opinion is that she didn't care one way or the other what they felt about her or the kids; that was just for show/publicity. As long as she was being filmed, being put on TV, and getting big bucks for it, she doesn't care what anyone thought of her. She just wanted the fame and fortune.'' ~~~~~~~~~ I do remember an exchange of emails KK had when she was complaining about the crew. She didn't like that they ''have opinions'', and wanted new crew members that kept their opinions to themselves. I remember that because my first thought was to hope their ''opinions'' were that she shouldn't beat her toddlers!!
Sorry, everyone, for so many posts tonight, but there are so many good posts worth commenting on.
Midnight Madness, you said it perfectly. I'm sure other posters do not mean to make someone feel bad, but if you are struggling, a certain post can strike a raw nerve. I'm sure it is not intentional, but to struggling families, it can cause hurt feelings.
I do not mean any offense to anyone; I am just stating my opinion.
Remona Blue, I forgot about those email that were posted here. That does prove that Kate didn't care what anyone thought. As long as they were being filmed and she was getting paid, she didn't care.
I wonder what Kate will be drinking, during the WWHL show tonight. Cellar No. 8 white wine perhaps? Gina Neild might scold you... (Remember your resolution to her on January 1st of 2009, Katie?)
I believe Jon was dwelling in the apartment above the garage back then. Interesting, and crazy at the same time! Still planning make-up galas for Mrs. Neild's folks, and all while fooling the World.
I'll talk about Milo's identity crisis, and Eric Roberts in a few minutes. I have a few details to add to the conversation this week.
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Kate is starting to show her true colors. She is right...there's no going back now, lol.
what a loser.
Don't ka know Morgan Fairchild is pissed she has to sit next to this loser. geez
Maggie said:
Could y'all help me with my post#185 on the previous page. It is driving me nuts why this doesn't make sense to me. Thanks everyone!
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Maggie - she could have had several almost mature follicles. There are two schools of thought with IUIs. My doctor had me do the trigger shot and one IUI, followed up with doing it the old fashioned way at home. My sister's doctor believed in the trigger shot, followed by an IUI and then another IUI the following day.
Kate's 3-4 mature follicles were triggered to release for the IUI. Several more could have matured in time to be released (with a second trigger shot or naturally) in time for the follow up sex or second IUI (depending on her doctor's practice.)
Does this help?
Got a question for this week's guest, or for Andy? Or do you want to suggest a Bravo-related topic for discussion? Send it, and Andy might answer you on the next episode of Watch What Happens Live.
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In a perfect world she will be tarred and feathered.
Taken from last thread:
Anonymous said... 14
I kinda thought Milo was Jamie (Milo And Jack = MAJ, jamie backwards)
heather
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ooooooo.....goes along with my one thought:
Milo-----
"My Lover----JAMie
Real reason she likes to keep busy, is less time to be a mother, less time with kids.
How much time do they get a piece daily? 5 minutes? And that's to get hit or yelled at....
No matter what the usual format is for this show, why do I get the feeling Kate will be thrown softballs again? We all know there is a list of restrictions when it comes to interviewing Kate.
Reality Bites, maybe we should each send Andy our favorite clip from youtube. Kate's special moments.
But WHO is protecting her? Do you think Discovery is in order to hide their own skeletons from her show? I don't thini any high-ranking government official would even get this sort of protection.
http://www.booksnreview.com/articles/1292/20121005/kate-gosselin-reality-show-didnt-cause-divorce-tell-all-book-how-she-fooled-world-tearing-her-apart.htm
Better yet, send Andy the link to this (realitykids)website!
I don't normally do this but I sent Andy a question asking why does she lie about Jon's custodial time and him having 50-50. LOL I hope he asks it.
But WHO is protecting her? Do you think Discovery is in order to hide their own skeletons from her show? I don't thini any high-ranking government official would even get this sort of protection.
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Could you imagine the fallout if it came to light in a legal way that a major corporation made $200 million by promoting a woman they knew 100% was a child abuser and they did NOTHING to stop it except count the money they made?
heather
I thought the show was taped yesterday because of the problem with Andy's schedule. Was it taped already? Does anyone know?
She also wouldn’t be fertilizing three, or possibly four mature eggs. God would not have had a problem with Kate going home and trying again next time. But Kate did come back, the very next day and received her “one final injection of HCG” (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) and then the IUI (Intrauterine Insemination) and went home again to wait. At least that’s what she was supposed to do. What Kate actually did though when she got home was to immediately give herself at least one more shot of HCG, which she had purchased weeks before online. With the IUI, Jon’s sperm were now swimming around inside of Kate’s uterus among the three or four mature eggs that the doctor knew about. Kate wasn’t looking for maybe two, or three or even four babies this time around though, and she wasn’t about to leave anything to chance either. She knew that by administering her own injection of HCG, even more mature eggs would drop down to join the others, unbeknownst to her ‘African doctor.’ Three months earlier, Kate had ordered an HCG kit online.
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Can somebody explain this to me: We know these facts given by Robert:
1)Kate had 3 to 4 possible mature follicles.
2)She returned to the Dr. the next day and received another & final HCG shot by the Dr. Then had IUI that very day. (washed sperm placed in her uterus).
Let's pretend here Kate did NOT do step 4) Kate give herself another shot of HCG at home received from online.
Robert states that the Dr. was shocked that more than than 4 mature eggs were present. Well, remember her Dr. the next day gave her another(her final)HCG shot so of course more eggs 4 could have been present.
Even if Kate never gave herself another shot at home, she could have had more than the original 4 follicles because her DR. gave her another shot at his office before the IUI procedure.
What am I missing here? Robert's point doesn't make sense. If the Dr. NEVER gave Kate another shot after detecting the 3 to mature follicles and Kate gave herself another shot, then we would know that it was Kate's shot that caused more mature eggs. But the Dr. gave Kate another shot after the detection of the 4 follicles. So it could have been the Dr.'s final shot or Kate's own shot she gave herself that caused more than the 4 mature follicles.
Please explain this to me. It is driving me nuts.
kates 2 hair destroyers jason& ted were on several episodes of rhodc probaly begged andy to have her on
Could you imagine the fallout if it came to light in a legal way that a major corporation made $200 million by promoting a woman they knew 100% was a child abuser and they did NOTHING to stop it except count the money they made?
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Sadly I'm not sure there would be all that much fallout. It's hard to get people worked up about these things for some reason, this country does not value the protection of children as we should.
On another note we talked about this briefly before comparing Lance Armstrong sheeple to Kate's sheeple. Even in the face of the obvious many continued to defend him. Whereas people with common sense said if it looks, quacks and talks like a duck, it probably is. Well this week it's pretty much coming out that the guy was involved in a massive doping conspiracy, first hand. It IS a duck. Just like it's come out Kate is a child abuser. And still he has his defenders who won't believe it.
Not even the cold hard facts will change an obsessed fan's mind.
I really do not believe for one second that TLC or Discovery would waste their interns' time writing tweets like that looking so creepy and unglued. I realize sometimes this probably happens, sock twitter accounts tweeting support, but they surely would sound more stable. Even if it's Kate's intern, unless she hired an absolute nut, no one would talk like that. She's for real, as hard as it is to believe. I think it's just because we're watching what happens when a celeb actually interacts with their obsessed fan that makes her behavior so over the top. The reason being because no one Kate, usually does this, you idiot. You've created and encouraged a total freak.
He'll think Kate's a pussycat compared to some of the company he keeps (NeNe, Kim, Teresa G., to name a few). Those women are FREAKS.
Andy won't ask her anything...he won't due to legalities.
Ya know what?? Have Andy invite Kate, Jon, Kevin, Jody, Beth, Carla, Ashley, Jamie and Steve onto the couch...let's have a series finale show...lololol
let's get them all glammed up (Kate can wear Teresa's green dress!, well, she might rather wear Melissa's dress and her eye shadow)...get everybody all tanned, do some plastic surgery and give everyone hair extensions and let everyone go at it.
I'd watch that.
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kates 2 hair destroyers jason& ted were on several episodes of rhodc probaly begged andy to have her on
Maggie - Please see number 2 and see if that helps.
I don't twitter or have Bravo, could someone that does send the following question to Andy for Kate
"What's your favorite brand of wooden spoon? Is it made with reclaimed wood or sustainable wood?"
Thank you very much for answering but I don't think it does help.
Robert claimed that Kate's HCG shot that she gave herself upon arriving home after getting her "final" HCG shot and IUI treatment is what caused Kate to have more than the original 3 to 4 mature follicles the Dr. saw the day before.
Question: Why does Robert say it was Kate's at home shot that caused her more follicles and NOT the "final" shot given by the Dr. that very day that could have caused her to have more mature follicles.
I don't think any distinction can be made by the two shots. Robert claims it was Kate's at home shot that caused her to have more than the 3 to 4 mature follicles seen by the Dr. the day before.
Maggie -
I found this:
"hCG stimulates ovulation, but it has a long life in the body and the prolonged exposure to hCG causes the follicles to continue to grow and make the hormones that contribute to OHSS"
http://infertilityblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/preventing-ovarian-hyperstimulation.html
So, I guess a second shot could cause the more immature follicles to grow.
I did send a question: Kate is on the Katie Couric (and everyother morning show) rolling her eyes and saying she has no time to date and then right out the other side of her mouth says, "I would do a dating show....it would be fun...it was my idea"....so, is the only reason she wants a dating show is to get back on TV/get away from the kids? It's totally contradictory. wonder if he will ask her that?
Maggie....really simple, more shots...more eggs. Why are you having soooo much trouble understanding? Are you arguing Kate did not give herself a shot?
Maggie -- I know nothing about HCG or how it affected Kate's pregnancy. Robert speculated.
The facts he had were that Kate ordered HCG "legally" from another country. She had it mailed to a fake name at a PO box address she set up outside her home. She invested effort in keeping the shipment a secret from Jon. She had a plan that she didn't want to be traced back to her.
What happens after that and how it might have contributed to her HOM pregnancy is just any one's best guess.
Kelley, thank you so much for responsing but that doesn't answer the question.
Kate went to the Dr. and had scan and Dr. saw 3 possibly 4 mature follicles.
The next day Kate returned and had her "final" shot by the Dr. and then the IUI procedure. She returned home and then gave herself another shot.
Robert claims it was Kate's shot that caused more mature follicles causing her to have 6 babies. How can he state this when it could have been the "final" shot given by the Dr. or hours later the shot Kate gave herself.
Maggie....really simple, more shots...more eggs. Why are you having soooo much trouble understanding? Are you arguing Kate did not give herself a shot?
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Please Gabby, I am not arguing with anyone. And I 100% believe Kate ordered and gave herself another shot upon coming home from the Dr.
What I don't understand and yet nobody has answered is can Robert state that it was Kate's shot and not the Dr.'s "final" shot that caused more than the 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?
Simply question...Yes or No answer. Can Robert state unequivocally that it was Kate's shot that causes more than the original 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?
Maggie
It is anyone's best guess. In any event, she would have double the required hCG hormone in her body, which could have caused more eggs to mature and release. No one can really say which shot caused it, just that giving herself a second shot was "overkill"
Kate is not a working mom, SAHM, or a star. She is a woman who spends all her time "masterminding" how to get money without working! She also uses her kids to ABUSE when she gets angry!
Kate will smile and flirt ( I know Andy is gay ) like crazy and " show her fun side " I can't even type the fun part without cracking up! Andy will be nice!
Tucker's mom praying for Mr. Bichon! Hope things go well!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
Maggie -- Robert, nor anyone else, can know for sure how the HCG multiple shots affected Kate.
The significant point is that Kate has always said she wanted "one more child -- only one more." There is now evidence that those words were a cover for her desire to have media-worthy amount of children.
She lied. Unbelievable, I know.
She's for real, as hard as it is to believe. I think it's just because we're watching what happens when a celeb actually interacts with their obsessed fan that makes her behavior so over the top. The reason being because no one Kate, usually does this, you idiot. You've created and encouraged a total freak.
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I agree with this, admin, and posted on the other thread. It's the inconsistencies in her stories, though, that bother me. This would indicate one person tweeting, and the next one not being able to adhere to the original script. Whatever the outcome, if there really is a Milo, she indeed is one delusional freak and really needs professional help.
I wonder if Robert knows who or what she is.
I think what is conceivable to me...is WHY would any mother that loves child intentionally create children that had a HIGHER risk to be born dead, handicapped, disabled, preemies, have to spend their first few weeks in glass boxes with needles in the arms and tubes down their throats??? Or possibly have health problems for the rest of their lives. And then beat them when they are not ahead developmentally of normal kids?
Thanks for all of your well wishes for my Bichon. He's resting mostly, but has a good appetite-ate another bowl of burger and potato for lunch ;-) I just want him to get better and be able to enjoy life, which he was doing, albeit slowly at his age!
Re: Andy Cohen--I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't ask Kate about her boobs. He LOVES boobs, even though he's gay. I wish he'd ask her about augmentation with a side by side photo of her. As we know, she can deny all she wants, but seeing the pics says it all.
http://www.twitwheel.com/miloandjack
Maggie -- Let's see if I can try to help. I think I have this straight. If not, I'm sure someone will correct me. The HCG doesn't cause mature follicles. The HCG causes mature follicles to release their eggs. In a normal cycle, one follicle matures, sometimes 2. More rarely, 3 or more. KK had 3 - 4 mature follicles when the doctor gave her the HCG injection. More follicles may have matured by then and also released eggs, or more follicles matured later and KK's shot caused them to release eggs. It could have been either injection which did it. Robert concludes that it was KK's injection. He may be right, or he may not be. Either way, the mere fact that she injected herself with HCG shows that she was trying to manipulate things. Keep in mind that fertilization doesn't always take place immediately. Sperm can survive in the body and fertilize eggs for several days afterward.
Could you imagine the fallout if it came to light in a legal way that a major corporation made $200 million by promoting a woman they knew 100% was a child abuser and they did NOTHING to stop it except count the money they made?
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Sadly I'm not sure there would be all that much fallout. It's hard to get people worked up about these things for some reason, this country does not value the protection of children as we should.
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I have a little bit more hope, I guess.
Anyone else remember the public outcry regarding Kathie Lee Gifford's child sweatshop charges?
heather
Maggie said...
Simply question...Yes or No answer. Can Robert state unequivocally that it was Kate's shot that causes more than the original 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?
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The explanation is just too simplistic--there are many more variables that influence the fertilization process. People are applying a false logic--the human body is just too complex. If it is true that she ordered the HCG, obviously she was trying to influence the outcome. She is just not sane enough for a rational person to discern what her motives were. She is an extremely sick person--I can't even begin to figure out what she was thinking. Most of Robert's commentary are extremely biased against Kate--he consistently takes the absolutely worst scenario as a basis for his comments. I don't find him to be much of a critical thinker, so I pretty much dismiss his narrative and draw my own conclusions. IMO, before he advanced the scenario of the HCG, he should have included a statement from a fertility specialist to present possible theories--that is what a legitimate author would do. JMHO, of course.
It was bad enough that she thought that triplets or quads would be okay. How was she planning on supporting them? Really, the facts that we do know are bad enough--we don't need to be making up more. I find the opinion of posters who have first-hand experience with infertility a much better source then an admittedly obsessed tabloid writer who has anointed himself as the definitive expert on the Gosselins, based on his skewed and biased opinions, rather than true experts.
litsapret
@Kateplusmy8 You have inspired me to be the best ME that I can!!! I realized that EVERYTHING is possible when you put your mind to it!!!\
Except getting your show back! :)
Morgan Fairchild will be on the same show as Kate. I think she must be in her 60's now and appeared in a series about cosmetic surgery a few years ago (can't remember the name of it now). I hope Andy brings the subject up; it could be interesting.
bm
I remember the fallout from the sweatshop re: Kathie Lee Gifford. It became extremely ugly.
I hope Andy asks the hard questions of Kate, but we haven't really seen it yet. Teflon hasn't rubbed off on her yet. The skillet has a few more scratches on it, but it's still non-stick. Someone is promoting this woman and it needs to stop. I would imagine Kate will be all "purty" in a too short skirt, low-cut top, fried hair, and make-up you need a putty knife to scrape off of her face. Mother of 8, you know does it all herself!
OT as I know that most of you don't like Honey Boo Boo but any toys/gifts/money that she receives between now and Christmas she is giving to a local Christmas toy drive for kids in GA (Kids Yule Luv). http://tinyurl.com/9laxm7g
Rather than grift for more, more, more, this is something that Kate should have been doing dince the begining.
http://tinyurl.com/9laxm7g
I asked Andy Cohen to channel Anderson Cooper!
My questions are also related to the comments she made to Katie Couric. Why did she pursue fertility treatment knowing her marriage was showing signs of trouble from the beginning? Also, if they had marital issues, why have a renewal ceremony in front of their 8 kids; was this a staged, fake tv ceremony to get ratings? Does she make decisions based on being a famous and being on television?
It was Kate who told Katie Couric that there were signs of trouble even before having their kids, on national television!
Since WWHL is a snarky show and Andy doesn't really sit down and interview and ask probing questions, I sent him "If you get a dating show will there be spanking involved"...sort of a double entendre if you will.
Whoa, Naughty Rob has finally written about RH book! Did he write about the Child Abuse ( NO ), did he write about the Animal Cruelity ( NO) he wrote about her hotel food demands. What a guy ( I still think he has the hots for her ) to go out on the limb like that!! Jacka##!
BTW, Kate has not promoted tonight's show on twitter. Didn't go well??????
Let's Throw Tomatoes
It was Kate who told Katie Couric that there were signs of trouble even before having their kids, on national television!
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Can you imagine the trust issues those kids are going to have? How will they trust their own feelings when dad goes on TV and says he loves some 22 year old pothead brat more than he ever loved their own mother, and their mom says the marriage was always doomed and she hopes her kids will pick a better guy than she did.
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It's great that HBB's mom is making her donate the gifts. It the right thing to do.
This morning on the Today Show, the subject of HBB needing a body guard came up. Someone on the panel said when your child being on tv (reality tv) and that causes the need for a body guard, it's time to get off tv!
Amen.
Sicko Kate claims the need for Steve was because of the kids, but Steve is Kate's Gal Friday and only "guards" the kids if Kate's with them. Otherwise, they get left with young sitters and no security.
If everything was on the up and up, why would Kate need to order *anything* on-line, using a fake name/address, from a different country?
I guess all women hoping to get pregnant order their own drugs from another country and inject themselves? Sounds like a really safe thing to do.
And why would you hide that from your husband and your doctor? Cuz, you know, it's all such a legit thing to do.
I suppose being he's an "African" doctor, he probably recommended that she order her own drugs and do her own injection. You know, cuz he's African and all. A Norwegian doctor probably would have insisted on doing the injection himself with his own drugs.
BTW, Kate has not promoted tonight's show on twitter. Didn't go well??????
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Kate doesn't promote anything. She has a history of that. It doesn't mean that anything went well or it didn't go well.
SherryBaby said
Kate doesn't promote anything. She has a history of that
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Well, that's not totally true....she promotes her birthday, the twins bdays, the 'littles' bday, christmas, valentines day....
*snark*
I don't watch HBB, but my 8th graders do, they think it's hilarious.
I've read enough and seen enough clips to get the jest of the show.
I applaud their giving the gifts, etc, they have received to charity.
Sounds like June has more dignity, compassion, class and Christian charity than Kate.
Robert states that Kate keeps the christmas gifts the fans give the kids as reward gifts throughout the year...if that's the case, the gifts are stowed away until she is ready to disperse them. I'm surprised she doesn't take them to the consignment store or try to return them for store credit. To Target, of course.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 18
I really do not believe for one second that TLC or Discovery would waste their interns' time writing tweets like that looking so creepy and unglued. I realize sometimes this probably happens, sock twitter accounts tweeting support, but they surely would sound more stable. Even if it's Kate's intern, unless she hired an absolute nut, no one would talk like that. She's for real, as hard as it is to believe. I think it's just because we're watching what happens when a celeb actually interacts with their obsessed fan that makes her behavior so over the top. The reason being because no one Kate, usually does this, you idiot. You've created and encouraged a total freak.
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I've been out of the loop for a while, but I, too, believe that Milo is an obsessed fan, not a fake paid for by Kate or Julie May. The reason goes back to the first time Milo appeared on the scene, around the fall of 2009. She came in as Fired Up For Kate (which many "haters" have had fun with--FUFK, you do the substitutions of the first two letters!)
Somehow, FUFK caught my attention when she began posting on Baby Mama's site. She said she was tired of Kate being the underdog, and she loves to fight for underdogs, doggone it! And she was fired up! (she said). I sort of watched her posts after that--I don't know why. I had no idea how this would all morph.
Kate disparaged Baby Mama's site publicly (and stupidly) on Twitter, so it's not like Kate had a lot of respect for it and so had previously hired this person to post there. I just don't see it.
When Kate had that call-in show a few months after FUFK began posting, Fired Up called in. (I posted the link to the show many months ago and that link even got reposted on Twitter.) FUFK/Milo had a slow Southern drawl. I lived in Georgia a few years, and I'm pretty sure it's a real Georgia accent. Milo has alluded to the fact that she lives in Georgia. She hasn't said it directly, however.
Then once Kate began to tweet, Fired Up couldn't wait to learn how to tweet, too, to communicate directly with Kate as her #1 fan. FUFK then gave herself the name Milo and Jack.
I do think it's funny what you all have done with the letters of Mi-Lo and Jaime, etc. But I still think Milo is real, just as Admin does.
Milo's also a HUGE dog lover. I agree with whomever said Shoka's death--if that is so and ever proven-- might throw Milo to the dark side. She was clearly worried that Kate hadn't confirmed Shoka was okay. Milo has tried desperately to get Kate to demonstrate what a dog lover she is by including the dog in family photos. I believe this is Milo playing P.R. helper.
Sadly, I think the child abuse wouldn't sway Milo they way dog abuse would. She can forgive Kate that. She's just "disciplin her kids cause she loves em so much."
About dropping the g's or not, my belief is Milo forgets to drop the g's when she feels something is seriously going on with Kate. She panics and reverts to conventional spelling--not the cute stuff.
I also think a paid Twitter fan would sound a whole lot more sane and educated, just as Admin said.
I'm glad everyone is watching Milo. Admin's comment about her being the textbook overzealous fan really chilled me.
Well, I left 2 posts (squatfoot) at Rob's website about the child abuse. And I directly quoted from the book about the abuse. Let's see if the 2 posts remain there. One of the posts is a direct quote from the book. So I don't know why Huffington Post would remove it.
Sherry Baby, Kate promotes after the fact. They filmed last night. I think she doesn't promote in advance because she is terrified that people who don't like her call in to the show and complain!
Was it Librarylady that likes the Reds? Darn Posy of the Giants just hit a grand slam. Darn, I'm for he Reds because I like Dusty! Besides the Giants recently won the World Series.
Let's Throw Tomatoes
One of the posts has a comment that it needed to be approved. Well, that approval comment is gone and my 2 posts are still there. So I assume the direct comment has been approved by HP. If so, then Huffington Post is accepting direct quotes from the book.
Maybe we should keep posting direct quotes from Robert's book at this site. This is a good way to get the main points of the book out in the public.
Well, that's not totally true....she promotes her birthday, the twins bdays, the 'littles' bday, christmas, valentines day....
*snark*
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I stand corrected. She promotes anything involving gifts or gift cards, and she does it in advance so there is ample time for the gifter's shopping and shipping so that it arrives in time for the event.
Rob Shuter remarked in his comment section that J lo's rider isn't even that detailed.
Some fan calls Kate's dietary demands reasonable. What? Kobe beef tips?
Yeah, get me the most expensive beef in the WORLD, oh, and whole grain bread with no grain showing.
Diva much?
Sherry Baby, Kate promotes after the fact. They filmed last night. I think she doesn't promote in advance because she is terrified that people who don't like her call in to the show and complain!
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Boy, I am really out of it regarding this show, probably because I don't plan on watching it. If they filmed last night, then why are they taking questions today?
Dmasy said... 27
Maggie -- I know nothing about HCG or how it affected Kate's pregnancy. Robert speculated.
The facts he had were that Kate ordered HCG "legally" from another country. She had it mailed to a fake name at a PO box address she set up outside her home. She invested effort in keeping the shipment a secret from Jon. She had a plan that she didn't want to be traced back to her.
What happens after that and how it might have contributed to her HOM pregnancy is just any one's best guess.
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Dmasy = great post. We can get sidetracked over speculating what effect, if any, the additional HCG shot had on Kate's pregnancy. But the main point is that Kate apparently intended to ensure she had a HOM pregnancy, and was willing to engage in secret behavior to do so. She did not do this with the knowledge and permission of her doctor; nor with the knowledge of her own husband.
I believe her doctor was trying to help her get pregnant with "just one more" while Kate's agenda was to have a HOM pregnancy. She took the steps she believed would most likely obtain the result she wanted. After that, she ended up in the hospital with overstimulated ovaries, due to how own hubris in believing she could practice medicine on her own body.
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@MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 Breeder confirmed...Kate has been paying for Shoka and Nola's boarding & that Shoka is now fully trained & has returned home.
IMO thesetweets are not sent by the same Milo. The "g's" disappeared below.
@MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 U have a gr8 fun filled & excitin day! Or should I add...NITE as well! Long one 4U..but we will be watchin/supportin U!
Great idea Maggie. Why hasn't Perez Hilton written anything?
Let's Throw Tomatoes said:
Was it Librarylady that likes the Reds? Darn Posy of the Giants just hit a grand slam. Darn, I'm for he Reds because I like Dusty! Besides the Giants recently won the World Series.
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Bay Area girl here, and huge Giants fan too -- so I squee'd like a fangirl when Buster Posey got that grand slam. Sorry Reds' fans - I love me some Giants! I am sorry that Matt Cain has had two bad outings so far because he truly is better than that.
Okay - back to regular programming :)
Sweet Tart said... 61
Dmasy said... 27
Maggie -- I know nothing about HCG or how it affected Kate's pregnancy. Robert speculated.
The facts he had were that Kate ordered HCG "legally" from another country. She had it mailed to a fake name at a PO box address she set up outside her home. She invested effort in keeping the shipment a secret from Jon. She had a plan that she didn't want to be traced back to her.
What happens after that and how it might have contributed to her HOM pregnancy is just any one's best guess.
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Nothing like a *little* honesty in a christian marriage, huh? nothing says honesty like ordering meds under a fictitious name to a mystery mail box! no siirreee!!
Gee, I wonder what Jon should have done if he found out....
Kate went pschyo when Jon didn't want to admit he ate lunch in Philly....said she didn't want a 'liar' around her kids.
what a freaking hypocrite!!
A little OT, but Texas and Ohio posters have recently bonded over location in their respective states. Anyone in Tennessee? I'm in a suburb of Nashville. Any other Middle Tennesseans on here?
This guy Andy wont ask her a single thing. He will tease her a bit about some of the recent revalations, and she will giggle, flirt, dab fake tears, the usual.
No one will ever confront her unless you put her in front of real journalists like 60 Minutes. The rest of these bafoons are all merely runners up to the "Spokesmodel" category on Starsearch from 25 years ago. All tooth whitener and hair shellac, just like Kate.
Re Milo and the few remaining yet devoted fans of Kate: I think that these people have defended her for so long and with such ferocity sometimes, that they are deeply invested in the Kate persona they've created in their own minds. They will likely never be able to publicly admit that they were wrong about Kate. At most, they will fade off into the sunset, until they find another public figure to emulate, fawn over and use to fill whatever void they have in their lives.
I think Kate used to have a subset of fans that were teenage girls, who thought Kate was glamorous. I lumped them with the sort of person who would also be a fan of Teen Moms on MTV (or whatever channel had that show). They were young girls, not particularly bright, not particularly ambitious, and caught up in surface things. Those fans have mostly moved on, to whatever the latest fad might be.
What puzzles me is why the media (much of it controlled by Discovery) is still trying to promote Kate in any way. Surely they ought to be able to read comments, see that she is nearly universally disliked, and perhaps come to the conclusion that they backed a losing horse. Why continue promoting Kate - there simply is no rehabilitating her in the public eye. It's weird. It almost feels as if the powers that be are determined to force Kate down our throats, and we keep spitting her back out. LOL
I am in Ohio, but I have 2 daughters in Nashville and 1 in Clarksville.
aggiemom, 65....let's compare, a lunch lie vs. fertility fib. Oh yeah, they are about the same level of deception.
I can't even imagine such a fraud in a marriage. Who saved the invoice and the wrapper? She is dumb if she didn't destroy it. Can you just imagine the conversation when she had to explain the paper trail to Jon?
He has protected her beyond the call of kindness. She is so bold when she attacks him knowing what he could reveal about her. He is truly a "gentleman".
What makes people think Kate taped last night? I don't think so..
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This guy Andy wont ask her a single thing. He will tease her a bit about some of the recent revalations, and she will giggle, flirt, dab fake tears, the usual.
No one will ever confront her unless you put her in front of real journalists like 60 Minutes. The rest of these bafoons are all merely runners up to the "Spokesmodel" category on Starsearch from 25 years ago. All tooth whitener and hair shellac, just like Kate.
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Hi Dwindle. I think you're right. This is all a game to the producers/hosts/guests alike. It's for entertainment and entertainment alone. If it were serious no one would dare go on the show. Everyone has skeletons in their closet. Some just have more bones than others.
I sure like the 60 minutes-type interview idea though. Oh how I'd love to see the truth come out about her scam. Unfortunately I think she's just old tabloid news to 'real' news programs. Something you'd wrap your fishscales in.
Exactly Aggie'sMom - Kate promoted herself heavily in the early days as a devout Christian and devoted wife. Yet she went behind Jon's back to purchase drugs from out of the country and made risky medical decisions.
That entry about Kate freaking out over Jon having lunch and then trying to deny it - talk about a scary control freak. I think she tried to put Jon on a 3 grapes/2 crackers diet like the kids, but when he was out in the real world (and not under her watchful eye), he'd eat like a regular person. She wasn't angry about his lying, she was angry because he disobeyed her strict commands. If there weren't children suffering because of her twisted mentality, she would actually be an interesting case study.
Sweet Tart: I'm from the Bay Area though I live in LA now. I'm more for the Oakland A's and of course my Raiders!
Maggie: great job!!
Kathy B.: I'm not from Tennessee, but I would like to be! I think it's a pretty state!
Gabby : I'm with you. What's up with the silence from Perez Hilton, US magazine, Hollywood Life, INF DAILY etc. Who is protecting this witch??
Let's Throw Tomatoes
Had to pop in on this one about Andy Cohen(Exec VP of Original (new) Programming & Development) and Morgan Fairchild(Board Member of Screen Actor's Guild). Andy is a grad of Bos U where he majored in broadcast journalism. His resume' reads like Golden Boy with 10 yrs sr producer The Early Show,Sr Producer 48 hrs., major news broadcast producer He is no dummy. He was voted one of 25 most influential people in TV by TV Guide just this year. He came up with the Housewives Franchise, Queer Eye, Kathy Griffin, Top Chef franchises, Millionaire matchmaker, bethanny show, Project runway. Lots awards/nominations. I love the way he looks: boyish, laughs at questions, but he has a way of twisting you into knots. He makes people nervous at times. He can just feel the energy or lack of it or the stupid flirting. Now Morgan Fairchild is no dummy as tomatoes said: from Texas did local TV shows/commercials since a child & parents Eng HS teachers. Double for Faye Dunaway in Bonnie & Clyde. She has been acting all of this time, she is 62 and she has been on every situation comedy& guested forever (really has been a working actress all of these years) anyone remember Dalls & Flamingo Rd. theater, soap operas, latest work on Friends as Chandler's mom. Nom for Emmys & Golden Globes. Major info on her? She sits on the Board of SAG (Screen Actor's Guild) and has for over 3 terms or more. Committees:Legislative Com, Natl Exec Com, Commercial Contracts Co, Also SAG-AFTRA Comm. She is intelligent. She is full of plastic surgery and speaks about it. She is an accomplished person in a 25 yr relationship with an exec movie prod.Also had been kidnapped early in her career or someone tried to kidnap her 2x.
Okay did the background, so we know what Dippity Do with the horrible look posted on BRAVO TV has in her resume: child and animal and hubby abuser, thief, grifter, liar, no talent, none, can't do anything but cash gift cards, hide money and bad mouth Jon and make sure he never gets a job and (halfway to prison).Bravo TV site has terrible photo of Kate. Long, horsey face, biggest caps on her teeth (why did she do all of that) and her dyed and fried hair and she is orange with a red dress on.
Andy Cohen is looking for original programming. BRAVO has a couple of matchmaker shows. I personally would say that although I don't watch much of BRAVO of E that his chosen people are saavy to making their shows what those magazines live for: DRAMA. Kate is not a smart person.She has no master of the English language and that is there, right out of her mouth with the ish, est, etc. JMO for sheeples.
JMO Milo (I do go for the Jaime, spelled backwards, who else has such info plus where did she disappear to during that Ala trip when she had visited Kate and they washed the big, gigantic stove vent, wasn't it around that time, maybe she was one of those that travelled down to Ala, who else would be dumb enough to help Kate drive that van and a u haul?)Plus during that time, Milo disappeared from tweeting, didn't she.
Why oh why did I do this Wikipedia research? Addiction to seeing Kate fall so far down her ladder that she looks up and sees there are no longer rungs on the ladder.
Hope this gets posted. Not saying this show being shown tonight is going be anything but Andy is like a dog with a bone if he thinks he has zinged you. He made Meryl Streep admit she wanted to see Dustin Hoffman dead when she could have said "no comment" as the drinks keep coming. Andy asks questions with a boyish laugh but his face turns serious looking at the guest like am I getting somewhere. Maybe it will be a let down, it is only a half hour show with commercials but he does allow 2 call ins and asks a question for tweeting for some type of poll like whose plastic surgery looks better Morgan or Kate. He is wicked. Too much to read? Hope not.
Maggie said... 29
''What I don't understand and yet nobody has answered is can Robert state that it was Kate's shot and not the Dr.'s "final" shot that caused more than the 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?
Simply question...Yes or No answer. Can Robert state unequivocally that it was Kate's shot that causes more than the original 3/4 mature follicles seen on the scan the day before?''
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Many people have explained it to you over and over...yet you keep asking. You've said you accept that Kate ordered the meds secretly, You are stuck on ONE question that YOU have decided is a problem. It is not a problem. KK gave herself a secret shot right after the Doctor's last shot.
Simple answer...Can YOU state unequivocally that it was NOT KK's shot that caused more mature follicles? Why can't you let this go?
Dmasy said... 32
Maggie -- Robert, nor anyone else, can know for sure how the HCG multiple shots affected Kate.
The significant point is that Kate has always said she wanted "one more child -- only one more." There is now evidence that those words were a cover for her desire to have media-worthy amount of children.
She lied. Unbelievable, I know.
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Excellent points!
And let's not forget, Kate did not use the Dr. she used for the twins because that Dr. wanted to do *IVF* and transfer ONLY ONE EMBRYO. That ethical Dr. wanted to ensure that this young, strapped couple who already had twins, had no chances of ending up with more than one baby. "Just One More" (haha) Kate ditched that Dr. and looked for one who would do more IUI.
It didn't make sense why Kate didn't use the same Dr. for the twins and she never gave a good reason why she switched. Wasn't the new Dr. much farther away?
It is downright sickening how she plotted, schemed and planned a HOM pregnancy all for her own greedy, selfish desires. It's even more sickening how she abused/abuses them and treats them with contempt and disgust when they aren't earning her any money.
And when I think about the old J+K+8 show opening where we hear Kate explain "just one more" so innocently.
My gosh, how we were totally had. I believed it with gusto.
At this point, re: Maggie, who really cares aout the Hcg and what it did? Kate apparently ordered the drug from another country, had it sent to a secret PO box. She lied to her doctor, lied to her husband, ended up with 6 more children. Who cares how it worked, if it worked, etc.? The real story is what happened from that point forward. It's time to let the science part go, or go ask an ob/gyn if you don't get it.
WWHL is a *live* show. It's aired the same day that it's taped.
The talk show is unique in that the main focus is on having fun and that it is always done live. Most talk shows are pre-taped so they might be behind when it comes to current event. Andy does not have a band or a co-host and the atmosphere is very light. He will often allow viewers to ask his guests questions by phone, Twitter, or Facebook so the process is very interactive. There are also poll questions where viewers can text their answers during the live broadcast.
http://www.yidio.com/show/watch-what-happens-live
She wasn't angry about his lying, she was angry because he disobeyed her strict commands. If there weren't children suffering because of her twisted mentality, she would actually be an interesting case study.
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not to push the point, but according to Kate's journal, she was angry that he LIED..she didn't want a liar around her children, it would teach them to lie.
This woman has some serious mental issues. I wonder how long after they married Jon figured out she was nuts?
I think it gives us a window into Jon's mental issues when married to Kate. If he as a grown man felt he needed to lie like a 3rd grader about having lunch in Philly, he must have been treading water under the surface like a duck brother.
I think it was his immaturity when they married and Kate's knowing he'd cower under her rule.
Kate set up this dynamic and unfortunately, it would take years for Jon to "just be Jon".
I'm glad he's being Jon now.
Jon's no longer afraid of you Kate. His eyes are opened.
Dwindle...
what's with the new avatar? you making fun of katie ireennneee????
her list:
1. drive 100 mph to bus stop with 8 kids, drive with one hand, drink second cup of coffee with @coffeemate in the other.
2. drive home 90 mph and try TO hit the dog.
3. go in the house and scream MINE ALL MINE 8 times fast!!!!!!!!
4. Leave lists for maid, pool boy, personal shopper, ironer, nanny, tutor, yardman.
5. Put a cold cloth on forehead..exhaustish-ness already!!!!!
6. drink third cup of coffee.
7. grift.
8. take a nap.
9. grift some more.
10. go for a run when the nanny brings the kids home.
11. tweet.
Does anyone remember that Kate once said on a couch segment something like because of this show we have exceeded all our expectations. Sorry, kind of wordy and not verbatim but that's basicly what she said. What did she mean??
Okay , I'll answer my own question. Kate freaking planned the multiples for money! I think the fame was the exceeded part! Everything just fell in her lap, her only obstacle to take it further was herself!
Maggie don't worried about it, I'm the same way. When I want to know something it has to be perfect or it drives me crazy until I do!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
The whole situation is just nuts.
Suppose you knew this couple:
Young, have twins. He's unemployed, so they decide they want more kids. She has to have expensive infertility treatments, yet they have no money. They do it anyway. They have no insurance.
She gets pregnant with a lot of kids. They expect their friends, family and the state to pay. FOR EVERYTHING.
WTFFFFF????
I am gonna put it all out there and say it....if this wasn't a white,married, (supposedly) christian couple, this NEVER would have floated with the public.
(look at how octomom was vilified).
Ok, I said it, I will go sit in the corner. Anyone want to hit me with a spoon??
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Thanks Improbable Dreams @ 80 - 81
Even so, Kate is such a practiced liar she'll just keep on lying. Or plead the fifth.
And the thing we know for sure that will happen is she'll get that 'dark look' when the questions start coming in.
Hope you guys give us Canadians a blow by blow report. We won't be able to watch it up here.
Dwindle, I guess you are the one that mentioned Ft. Campbell at some point. My SIL was stationed there when he and my daughter met.
Let's Throw Tomatoes, Tennessee is a beautiful state! I'm a transplanted yankee, but have lived here longer than anywhere else. Thanks to both for commenting.
At this point, re: Maggie, who really cares aout the Hcg and what it did? Kate apparently ordered the drug from another country, had it sent to a secret PO box. She lied to her doctor, lied to her husband, ended up with 6 more children. Who cares how it worked, if it worked, etc.? The real story is what happened from that point forward. It's time to let the science part go, or go ask an ob/gyn if you don't get it.
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Wow, Orange Crush, no need to be snippy. A OB/GYN would not know the answer to my question.
I was one of the first ever poster's on this blog. I agree that Kate 100% ordered the shot, her shot increased the odds of more multiplies, and the selfishness of her not caring about having so many multiplies when the odds greatly increase for birth defects. I always believed this BEFORE I asked ONE question about Robert's book.
And we should all care about the truth of what Robert claims as fact. And since the book's title about how she fooled the world is 100% related to this topic and the shot she gave herself we should be able to ask a question without certain posters being snide. If Robert wrote that Kate's shot clearly increased the odds of her having multiplies I would not have questioned it in the least. But that is not what he wrote.
Robert wrote that Kate's shot is what caused her body to go from 3 to 4 mature follicles to 7 follicles. That is incorrect and a misstatement of facts. In fact, Robert wrote this in reference to this, "So Kate went back to see her ‘African doctor’ and he was “in a trance,” and “visibly shaken,” according to her. I’ll bet he was visibly shaken, as he was trying to figure out how in the Hell three, possibly four mature follicles magically turned into seven."
I was only asking this question because I have never been pregnant and don't have kids. I thought since Robert was so dogmatic I must have missed something in his writings. I am a fan of Robert's but I do question important things that don't make sense to me.
Orange, you wrote, who really cares aout the Hcg and what it did and how it worked. Well, apparently Robert cared very much about HCG and what it did and how it worked.
NOTE: I dropped this subject hours ago. I made 2 recent posts about another topic. I wasn't going to bring this subject up again until Orange's post. Subject is closed as far as I am concerned.
Perez Hilton did post an article about Kate and the dogs. But it's not on his main page, it's on "Teddy Hilton"'s page, where he writes about celebrities and their pets.
http://teddyhilton.com/2012-10-10-kate-gosselin-animal-abuse-allegations/
Tomatoes -- Librarylady may be a Reds fan, but I'm a HUGE REDS FAN! I yelled and screamed (not in a good way) when Posey hit that Grand Slam. The Reds have had so many opportunities to put the series away and have just fallen short every time. Most discouraging. OTOH, no one expected them to be in the post season to begin with, and after Votto went down, no one expected them to increase their lead in the division. Season of minor miracles, at the very least.
I was helping a friend do some research today and came across the following website. Check it out and see if you recognize anyone we know. http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html. It's a real eye-opener.
Angie @75 - Thank for saying what I've been trying to say since we found out hate was going to be on WWHL. Andy has zinged better people than Kate. I'm set t watch it tonight and I hope he doesn't disappoint. I also sent in a question earlier in the week about her "good bra".
I looked up Courtney and Allen Tipping, the couple pregnant with sextuplets in 2009 looking for support from Kate and Kate brushed her off as only 8 weeks along and seemed threatened. Turns out, Courtney lost all 6. Congrats Kate, the threat was eliminated.
I am gonna put it all out there and say it....if this wasn't a white,married, (supposedly) christian couple, this NEVER would have floated with the public.
Exactly aggiemom, and what Jon and Kate both did was used the church circuits on the "we refused to reduce theme." J&K were not accepted at first by many people, many saw her as self serving and greedy, except the churches. I wholeheartedly agree had everyone known that they could not afford what they had, then had more they certainly could not have afforded, it would have raised a ton more eyebrows. Not to mention if what Robert is now saying is true and was added into the mix.
While I do not and did not give Jon a pass I think he felt awkward continuing to speak in the churches as his conscience get to him.
Kate didn't want a "liar" around her kids. Maybe that's what happened with Jodi, Kevin, Beth, Ashley, etc. who disappeared from the kids' lives. The truth was too painful for Kate. This new book must be eating her up. She wants to keep fooling the world, and it just isn't working. Maybe the teflon coating will eventually disappear completely. Here's hoping that happens.
I believe that as long as she gets a few television gigs (such as tonight) and is able to continue grifting for toilet tissue and coffee, she will still see herself as the "stah". I know, delusional. Truth is, sometimes when I am writing here the pity I feel for the kids comes to mind and I can barely continue. It's so difficult to understand a mother putting herself in the position to be disliked and at times despised and seen as a pathetic greedy grifter. We all realize she is desperate to be given another show and all the while she herself must know the true interest in the Gosselins was the children. We all see this, so who is leading her on to believe she, herself, has something to offer the entertainment business?
Anon 93 said
While I do not and did not give Jon a pass I think he felt awkward continuing to speak in the churches as his conscience get to him.
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You are correct. Robert said that is exactly what happened in 2008. He told Kate it was wrong what they were doing taking the church money and he wouldn't go to any more churches. He then said that was when the marriage ended.
NJGal51 said... 44
OT as I know that most of you don't like Honey Boo Boo but any toys/gifts/money that she receives between now and Christmas she is giving to a local Christmas toy drive for kids in GA (Kids Yule Luv). http://tinyurl.com/9laxm7g
Rather than grift for more, more, more, this is something that Kate should have been doing dince the begining.
http://tinyurl.com/9laxm7g
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I love HBB!! (the person, not the show)
and what a nice deed for her to do. Kate would NEVER in million freaking years even consider donating in the same fashion. Nope. What a selfish bitch.
aggiemom09121416 said... 86
The whole situation is just nuts.
Suppose you knew this couple:
Young, have twins. He's unemployed, so they decide they want more kids. She has to have expensive infertility treatments, yet they have no money. They do it anyway. They have no insurance.
She gets pregnant with a lot of kids. They expect their friends, family and the state to pay. FOR EVERYTHING.
WTFFFFF????
I am gonna put it all out there and say it....if this wasn't a white,married, (supposedly) christian couple, this NEVER would have floated with the public.
(look at how octomom was vilified).
Ok, I said it, I will go sit in the corner. Anyone want to hit me with a spoon??
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I agree. Octomom was on public assistance just like the Gosselins. She was out of work, just like the Gosselins. She was/is mentally unbalanced, just like Kate. But Nadya is of Middle East descent and that just doesnt fly in this country right now. Plus she didnt have the benefit of learning her lines at the dinner table from a live-in preacher, like Kate did. Kate knew the words, the cadence, the hands-in-air schtic to get the church folk plunking bucks into that offering plate. Kate was raised with the act.
I also have always thought that by the time Nadya had those babies and made it clear right away she wanted a reality show, the public had had enough of the Greedy Gosselin Grifters and that was part of the anger at Nadya.
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Milo's also a HUGE dog lover. I agree with whomever said Shoka's death--if that is so and ever proven-- might throw Milo to the dark side
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Please tell me Shoka isn't dead!
aggiemom 86 -- Jon wasn't unemployed when they decided to try for another baby. He was working for the company they later lied about and said fired him because they didn't want to insure 6 more babies (so presumably they also had insurance, too).
DRATTED GIANTS!! They beat my Reds! Boo! Hiss!!!!!!! Now I'll root for the Nationals(Actually, I'll root for any team that isn't St. Louis)!
There was another couple mentioned in the book (from AZ maybe? her name was Stacie)..Kate is gleeful that two of her viable eggs (or follicles, whatever the term was) were considered of 'poor quality'.
When Kate finds that out, she says "YES!!"
she's got a judgement coming to her that is gonna hurt. b-a-d.
Kate just proves what a horrible, mean spirited, selfish, vain shrew she is by continuing to show her face in public since the release of this book.
If that had been me, I would have dug a hole so deep it would reach the other side of the planet (I would have said 'globe', but that's a sensitive word,lol)...well, it I *did* dig that whole all the way through, guess I could consider that a 'free' trip??
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aggiemom09121416 said... 84
Dwindle...
what's with the new avatar? you making fun of katie ireennneee????
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Yes! And I expect everyone on this blog to follow my list! In fact, i 'faithfully require it'! Even you, Admin!
need more exclamation points? Here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Readerlady...
quit hitting me with a wooden spoon...I wasn't lying, just thought it was the truth, lol..
I thought he was unemployed when she wanted the just one more thing. Robert says Jon's dad paid for the procedures.
Maybe the procedures weren't paid for with insurance...but that still means the same thing, if you can't afford more kids, you shouldn't have more kids.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/honey-boo-boo-kidnap-plot
This is interesting (and frightening) on several levels. And don't get me wrong: I think this Honey Boo Boo show is obnoxious and with it, TLC continues to sink deeper into the cesspool that is reality tv exploitation.
1. It's exactly what we've been talking about, the risk to the Gosselin kids from so much exposure and reporting of their whereabouts.
2. This jumps out at me:
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"The family’s current residence – located in an isolated, heavily wooded area of McIntyre, next to the railroad tracks and behind a sub shop – makes them an easy target for a kidnapping.
“They’ve thought about moving, but the problem is that TLC has them locked under contract to keep their lifestyle – and that means they have to stay put,” explained the source.
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SO, TLC knows there might be a kidnapping attempt and threat to the child and family, but the "contract" demands the family maintain their white trash lifestyle, meaning staying put. That's how I read it. And we already deeply suspect that TLC knew the Gosselin children were being abused. But the $$$ from the exploitation of the Gosselin children and little Alana trump it all for TLC.
Okay, I'm convinced. TLC is the devil.
Aggiesmom:not to push the point, but according to Kate's journal, she was angry that he LIED..she didn't want a liar around her children, it would teach them to lie.
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I agree that Kate said in her journal that her reason for being so angry at Jon was because he lied about having lunch (while away at work that day?). However, my belief is that her anger stemmed more from Jon not following her directives - she probably forbade him to eat out, then saw the credit card statement and immediately put the hammer down. Husbands and children who do not obey without question must be punished, right Kate?
I have had a couple of friends who ended up in abusive relationships, and the big issue is always control by the abuser. Control over every aspect of the other person. So I see that in Kate's journaling about this incident. Jon did not obey her, did not follow her instructions, and this made her furious. I still say it wasn't the fact he lied, it was the fact that by choosing to make his own decision on where and when to eat lunch, he showed that he wasn't completely under her thumb. That could not be tolerated.
aggiemom -- Sorry. I'll take 10 lashes with that wooden spoon. Just don't leave any marks or bruises. I agree with you, they had no business going for another child. Reportedly, Jon didn't want to. He was over the moon about the twins and was perfectly happy as a family of 4. KK wore him down. I also agree with you about them being a white/middle class/Christian couple. When the McGhees, in Columbus, had their sextuplets, they got all sorts of grief over it, even though she had a good job (executive position with Chase Bank) and he was starting his own business (installing and cleaning carpets), were Christian, and had been married for over 10 years. I think most of the vitriol directed at them was because they were AA. They had a rough time of it to begin with, but when a new family homeless shelter was built they showed up with donations of unneeded and/or outgrown equipment, clothing and packs of diapers. Did KK ever do anything like that?
Sorry, Maggie, truly did not intend to come across as snippy, just finding this whole shot thing done and done. Actually I think Robert's interpretation is medically inaccurate, but what can you do, a lot of this is pure conjecture. My husband has done work in infertility; I described some of this to him, he just shook his head about the shots increasing the follicles. My real point is that no matter how this happened, the real story involves the lies, and more lies.
Moving onto Madame's Bravo appearance. As I have said before I hope someone, anyone, chews her up and spits her out tonight.
Maggie said:
And we should all care about the truth of what Robert claims as fact.
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Maggie - I read everything with my critical thinking skills. I read Robert's book (part way - it's very painful reading). Parts that I feel are extraneous (his own commentary for example) or parts that seem questionable to me - I discount them accordingly.
You are asking a group of non medical professionals to answer a very specific medical question. Why do you think we know the answer to your question? Why not go on a medical message board and ask there instead?
People are simply pointing out that we don't know if Kate's second shot at home caused her to have a HOM pregnancy. However, we are pointing out that the bigger issue (to me anyway) is the fact that she secretly purchased this drug from Canada, had it sent to a phony name at a P.O. box, hid this info from her fertility doctor and her husband, and possibly compromised her health and the health of her future babies by doing so.
It is not my job nor my concern to fact check everything in Robert's book. Nor is it my job to allow one unanswered question take up my entire focus. So I am moving on and wish you the best of luck in your quest for an answer to your one question. Again - perhaps a fertility board or medical message board would be of more help to you than asking a bunch of non-medical experts here, repeatedly.
Well, one of my posts seems to have disappeared. So -- I'll post this again. I came across this website when I was helping a friend do some research. Read it and see if you recognize anyone we know. http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html.
Does Kate honestly not realize how much credence that she, herself, has put into Robert's book by having her lawyers remove it from Amazon? Doing that just tells the world that the book is the truth. She most definitely isn't the brightest bulb in the package. They also don't realize just how many of us have already downloaded the book and have it saved to our hard drives. Pulling it was useless.
Thanks Orange for the apology and thanks to the others that nicely responded to my question. I really do appreciate it. And no Dr. or medical board could have answered the question of why did Robert state that it was Kate's shot that caused her increase of follicles. Again, I thought I was missing something in his writing about this that made him so dogmatic.
And for all the posters who apparently thought I beat the question to death, besides the initial question, I only made 3 posts in follow-up. After that I only responded to the snide remarks after I had moved on and made 2 other posts that had nothing to do with my question.
I have heard many say, if you don't like the post, scroll past. Well...
Maggie, don't get upset, I asked that same question last night. I just think both injections occured within 24 hrs now.
My question or just my opinion is the reason Kate kept that box, that empty medicine containing box with her phony name and PO Box # is If that show had not been hit by Jon leaving, she was going to reorder more and she would have done anything to create that BRAND.
Readerlady...
quit hitting me with a wooden spoon...I wasn't lying, just thought it was the truth, lol..
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I need to go back to gosselin 101 and take a refresher course,lol...
I remembered him being unemployed, you said he was, so ok! lololol
But I do remember Robert saying the father in law paying for the treatments.
we still friends????
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(Disclaimer: If I ever say anything that in any way is a personal slam on anyone here, you can banish me to the compound!!!!!!! I think you guys are awesome, and I am happy happy happy that you let me play in your sandbox. Here me Dwindle?? I am SINGING with JOY!!)
Does Morgan Fairchild have a Twitter account? Maybe she's the person to Tweet questions to. She's not invested in Kate & might relay a couple of enlightening facts if given the opportunity.
AuntieAnn said... 4
In a perfect world she will be tarred and feathered.
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I hope tonight is that "perfect world."
Was it Librarylady that likes the Reds?
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Nope, not me, lol! Not a follower of professional sports, really, since the glory days of the Indians, ha ha.
(Now, my son is going to get a nice lecture from Mom who found out that he skipped math class just before a midterm to watch that game - fellow is missing high school sports too much still and needed a "tourny-type" fix, apparently at the risk of a midterm review...)
RE Kate tonight - I never heard of the show, actually, and won't watch, but it will be interesting to hear what transpires. Don't people call in live? Or are questions screened beforehand, just in case she doesn't like one?
Ramona Blue said...
Many people have explained it to you over and over...yet you keep asking. You've said you accept that Kate ordered the meds secretly, You are stuck on ONE question that YOU have decided is a problem. It is not a problem. KK gave herself a secret shot right after the Doctor's last shot.
Simple answer...Can YOU state unequivocally that it was NOT KK's shot that caused more mature follicles? Why can't you let this go?
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And why do you object to some intelligent debate? I don't happen to think that reading a few blurbs on the internet about the effect of HCG on ovulation qualifies anyone here as an authority. I know enough to know that I don't know enough--that is one of the pitfalls of getting an education.
Remarks like this are why we lose good posters like Pjs Momma. If Kate managed to pull this off by injecting herself with one dose of HCG, then she is an absolute genius. In any case, Admin has been admant about keeping this blog respectable. Since no one here has stated that they have the credentials as a fertility specialist, no one's opinion is any more valid than anyone else's. I think it was stupid of Robert to even go there--it is one of the reasons that his book lacks credibility.
Robert has a new post at Gosselin book site. Shoka. No information. But, nice to know he is around and poking at Kate.
Hahaha! Thanks, RH - keep the jabs coming!
Jane
Dmasy said... 118
Robert has a new post at Gosselin book site. Shoka. No information. But, nice to know he is around and poking at Kate.
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Who is that with the dogs? Anyone know?
Regarding whether the show was taped yesterday or will be live tonight - some people in the last post were saying that Andy had another show or something he had to do live tonight until 11:00 and couldn't be there in time, so for that reason, they had to tape Kate's show on Wednesday.
aggiemom -- Of course we're friends. Don't be silly. It's easy to get mixed up. Jon was unemployed (I think) when the six were born, but not when they were conceived.
I tend to agree with posters here who think Robert is very biased against KK and that his commentary in the book is slanted. However, I think part of that is because he's seen the grief she's brought to his friend, Jon, seen the way she treats her kids and it hurts his father's heart, and is tired of seeing her get a pass on everything while Jon gets (deservedly at times) dumped on. I read all his comments; some I agreed with and some I didn't, but I don't discount them completely. All biographers have a certain slant or bias to their writing. It sort of goes with the territory, and, as Robert said, he isn't a professional writer and he didn't use an editor, so the problems are compounded. The important part of the book is, IMO, not his opinions but his outing of KK's greed, cruelty and abusiveness, in her own words.
Maggie @#89--
Extremely well-written response. Some of us don't suspend our logic and reason just to make the "facts" fit a predetermined narrative.
I appreciate the effort you took to explain your very reasonable and logical position.
Maggie said... 111
I have heard many say, if you don't like the post, scroll past. Well...
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Dmasy said... 118
Robert has a new post at Gosselin book site. Shoka. No information. But, nice to know he is around and poking at Kate.
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It looks like Robert.
Thanks PatK for the shitty uncalled remark. I have had it. Thanks for those who were kind. I am out of here. I suffer greatly with bad chronic pain for over 25 years every day of my life and severe depression and severe abuse from my mother who I am forced to live with.
Hope all the ugly, smug posters are happy I am gone. Some of you are disgusting.
readerlady said... 109
Well, one of my posts seems to have disappeared. So -- I'll post this again. I came across this website when I was helping a friend do some research. Read it and see if you recognize anyone we know. http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html.
I read this and must agree it sure sounds like someone we know! Robert is actually following advice in the article about DOCUMENTING information!
You go Robert!!!!
I hope Jon has the dog. It would be best for the dog to be away from Kate.
readerlady said...
I tend to agree with posters here who think Robert is very biased against KK and that his commentary in the book is slanted. However, I think part of that is because he's seen the grief she's brought to his friend, Jon, seen the way she treats her kids and it hurts his father's heart, and is tired of seeing her get a pass on everything while Jon gets (deservedly at times) dumped on.
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In agreeance....I think it really damages his credibility and dilutes the effects of the real facts and evidence in the book. If we jump on the bandwagon without question, it damages the credibility of this blog--which, I really do help get her off of TV. Many of us started out as fans (maybe to strong of a word--I watched because of the adorable kids and the chaos that the family faced). Once I started seeing red flags, it was the old GWOP and this blog that laid out the case against her. Since so many of the posters are clearly intelligent and logical, this is the only blog that I participate in. When we start jumping to conclusions, it just damages our case against her. The facts alone are horrifying--doesn't need embellishments.
On the topic of Jon's lie about lunch--anyone who is married knows that no one knows what happens in another's marriage. It is probable that this was not the first time Jon lied about something. Anyone who has not experienced someone they love looking them in the eye and lying have no idea how crazy making that is. I do believe that Kate was abusive and violent. I am just asking that people open up their view and see that there was a very sick family dynamic and that both of them contributed. To it and reacted to each other. According to many posters, their relationship problems were all Kate's fault. That is just too simplistic a view to be true. I have had relationships with passive-agressive men like Jon--they are impossible to relate to on an adult level and will always blame someone else for their behavior.
Andy Cohen is very good friends with Anderson Cooper(he co-hosts often) so I wonder if Andy is aware of Kate's challenge to Anderson?
Because, we know that a man with 2 hit tv shows really NEEDS DWTS.
My only thing about Kate blistering Jon on the lunch thing is....damn,he was gone for the day, what did she expect him to do, STARVE until he got home? It's been said that she only gave him 5.00 a week, so what's he supposed to do?
I think Kate just was just pissed he put it 'on the card', as she said.
She didn't have a bit of trouble putting her over the border medicine 'on the card', nor renting a mailbox to receive the meds.
I am Robert's side.
Kate even goes off in her journal about how she doesn't want a houseful of liars like Jon. wtf??
Kate wouldn't know the truth if it bit her in her fake as*.
Good grief, he was HUNGRY, he ought to be able to EAT.
she drives me nuts with her hypocrisy.
She learned how to lie later,...'i have a purseful of bills i can't drop in the mail.'
geesh
aggiemom, Dwindle, Admin, et al - I agree 100%! Jon was unemployed, Kate claimed they didn't have a lot of money, they already had 2 children they were struggling to support, so why spend money on more fertility treatments? Why plan on having more babies that you couldn't afford? Then expect the state and donations to support your poor decision? Octomom is struggling and has made some poor choices, but what is the difference between what she did and Kate did? They are not so very different in their poor choices.
On another note, Maggie, I'm sorry if you were offended and I'm sorry for the pain you have to deal with daily. I hope you reconsider because alot of the posters here can offer wonderful support and encouragement. Take care and God bless.
@Ex-Nurse, I totally disagree that Robert's commentary diminishes his credibility. The majority of the book is Kate's own words - she has damned herself. Robert's commentary comes from his anger at how she has abused her children. I would hope all of us would be as angry as Robert at what he has seen and has read about what has gone on inside that hell-house. The man had the courage to come forth and expose this evil, evil, woman and kudos to him.
Ex nurse in general I agree it takes two to screw up a marriage but I just can't agree that Kate doesn't bear most of the responsibility if not all. We have too much material showing how Kate has treated countless people poorly. Just one example how she talked to Jen Stocks in chapter 11 and her subsequent backhanded apology. Just one of many. We have a very, very good idea how Kate treats people, good decent people at that. She is a very unstable, anti social, diabolical, manipulative, mentally ill woman. My eyes are wide open don't worry, and what I see here is a host of dysfunctional relationships which all have one thing in common. Kate. I don't believe any man, even the perfect husband, could withstand her. It's very telling that despite wanting to date, nothing serious has happened in three years. There is a reason men won't date her and its not the eight kids.
Maggie said... 126
Thanks PatK for the shitty uncalled remark. I have had it. Thanks for those who were kind. I am out of here. I suffer greatly with bad chronic pain for over 25 years every day of my life and severe depression and severe abuse from my mother who I am forced to live with.
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Maggie--hope you will reconsider. That was completely uncalled for. I think we are all being traumatized by what was revealed in the book. I know that I have a sense of helplessness about the G8 and it is definitely effecting my mood and my posts. If we are to accomplish anything, we need to be respectful and patient with each other. Who knows--maybe we can actually learn from those who have different opinions.
In any case, I appreciated your thoughtful writing today and I wish you luck. If the intolerance here continues, the blog will dwindle (not you Dwindle) down to the anti-sheeple--opposite sides of same coin.
Robert is just asking about the whereabouts and well-being of Shoka, as are many others. That picture is an old one, showing both Nala and Shoka...not a recent one.
I wonder if Anderson C. has kept up with this. I'd like to see an expose of the whole multiple births issue.
InKate's own words...she plans everything including the "long con".
Remember she studied closely the previous HOM and followed suit.
Regarding Kate being upset because Jon "lied". Knowing what we know about Kate, she has no right to be self-righteous if someone lies with all the BS she has dished out. Reminds me of my grandma's saying: people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
If the intolerance here continues, the blog will dwindle (not you Dwindle) down to the anti-sheeple--opposite sides of same coin.
There is no intolerance problem here. Maggie spent days asking the same questions. She didn't like the answers she was given and went on and on and on. When she was called out on it she got vulgar. That's on her, not this blog.
Maggie, please don't go. Many of us have been hurt by words here but we are all different and conflicts happen.
Personally, I appreciated your questions because I didn't understand the whole shot thing either.
There are so many of us here and we are all heartbroken and sick by Kate's own words. The fact that she's still smiling and appearing on TV has made us all more sensitive and disgusted.
We've been watching this train wreck for 4 years and when it finally crashed (RH book), nobody payed attention.
It is up to US to keep this book and it's words alive.
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Ex nurse in general I agree it takes two to screw up a marriage but I just can't agree that Kate doesn't bear most of the responsibility if not all.
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Thank you for your respectful disagreement. I think that the reason it is hard to see Jon's responsibility in the family dynamic is because his dysfunctional behavior is in his inaction and passivity. People naturally gravitate to people that have characteristics that they themselves lacked. When they met, he was drifting in life and was probably attracted to Kate's assertiveness and driven personality.
In my experience, people in long-term marriages often end up hating the very characteristics that initially attracted them. They are simply extremes on the opposite side of the spectrum. It takes two to tango (not that Kate would know).
Kate has a very jealous nature and apparently she is competitive as well. History tells us that she went after younger Jon when he already had a steady girlfriend. That fact is so telling. She gets what she wants at any cost. Still applies. She wanted to be famous and she knew that having HOM's would put them on the map. Kate and Jon duped many good, generous Christians in to helping this needy young family. It's good to know that Jon became uncomfortable with the con and wanted it to stop. There is hope for him. The greed that we know about is just horrific. Other large families "make it" through life without grifting. My dad came from a family of 12 kids. His parents worked. No child went hungry and they survived the depression era. Go figure?
Wow, are the people on this blog supposed to be therapist for others that haven't dealt with their childhood and or even on-going issues? I hate the broad brushes used to paint the posters here when someone isn't kowtowed to. The respond to me, don't ignore me posts are especially random to me since there are 1000s of posts and really I find it hard the few times I can comment to remember every little post. It's not that I don't care for a person when I don't try and jump on and welcome a person or offer a condolence but also doesn't mean I don't care either. This is a Gosselin board not a support board for adult children survivors or other MH issues. Maggie, that was pretty darn insulting to many posters that aren't here to be your shoulder to cry on or whipping post.
Admin has email, which is where she's told folks many times to take their issues. I really don't think anyone here is qualified to assist you deal with your abusive mother or chronic pain. I do hope your county as a Crisis Assessment Center that you can call, as perhaps that is where you need to go to deal with that left over anger over the parenting you received, as well as, your hostility about the chronic pain you suffer.
For the people that want to judge Robert too harshly....remember he knows a lot more. I am sure he has reached his limit. The book is credible to me and that's why Kate is spending so much money to get it bury.
Good for Robert!
I think it's borderline blaming the victim. If the shoe were on the other foot no one would say a woman is responsible for how badly she is treated because she's passive. I SEE Jon's flaws I am not blind to it, I just don't blame that for the issues in this abusive relationship. I have also see far more good out of him and believe he can and has had a very functional, positive relationship with women who are not mentally ill.
There are no perfect people or perfect marriages. You work through your differences. The problem here is not that Jon was passive or Jon had flaws like all partners do. Many marriages have that issue and are able to work through it and do just fine. The problem here is Kate and her issues went far beyond normal, expected flaws to the point of true deranged behavior.
It does look like the show was pre-taped. According to Andy's twitter he is having dinner with Jane Fonda ahead of some event they will both be at tonight.
I think some folks were just frustrated the same question had been asked and answered many times. Folks can be more patient or just scroll past, and if those askig don't understand after asking more than twice, move on as well. I don't see anything wrong with how this was handled other than a little display of frustration, a normal emotion. The blog is not going the way of the sheeple or whatever insulting thing was said. It was people justifiably upset is all, it happens. It also helps to always bear in mind that we're getting a lot of comments lately. It can't always be the small porch gathering it once was, which has its good and bad points.
Admin, I agree with your comments about the marriage falling apart.
Ex-Nurse, I have been married to the same wonderful man for almost 27 years. However, prior to that I had a brief marriage of 3 years to someone who was controlling and abusive. I found myself lying to him about miniscule things because I knew it would cause a huge argument and he would get abusive, verbally and sometimes physically. When I couldn't take anymore I finally left that marriage. What is telling is that when he knew I was getting fed up, he wanted a baby! To his way of thinking, that would make me stay for the sake of the child. I refused to get pregnant and left him. Yes, I'm sure I was partially responsible, but I still believe the majority of the failed marriage rested on him and his various abuses. This is just my opinion based on my own experiences.
(By the way, I was as young as Jon and Kate were when I married my first husband.)
Since Robert is such a good friend of Jon's why doesn't he just ask Jon where Shoka is?
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There's something to be said for having a compassionate heart, for reaching out to others who are hurting.
I may not have a fancy psych degree hanging on my wall, but speaking for myself (hey Dwindle!!!lololol), I am humbled by the many, many posters here who reach out to someone who is hurting...
If the posters here didn't care about their fellow man, this blog wouldn't exist!
" I really don't think anyone here is qualified to assist you deal with your abusive mother or chronic pain."
----I think you are wrong...those that have suffered the same circumstances can extend a word of understanding, some words of comfort that may help that person make it through some difficult memories.
And I wish Maggie would reconsider as well...I was confused as to the HCG med that was ordered, and tried to follow along with all the explanations, but I finally gave up trying to understand it since I am not in the medical field, either.
But there was something WRONG with what Kate did...if you order medicine from another country under a fictitious name to a secret mailbox, you are up to something illegal or no-good.
Maggie I hope you come back. I have always read your comments like I do everybody else's !
With your health problems and your living conditions being poor and yet you dedicate your time to help children who are not even yours. I think you are a very kind person and you need to ignore nasty comments! I have only commented for a few months and I have gotten a few nasty attacks myself. But you should not let anyone keep you from expressing your opinion!
Readerlady, sorry I forgot you were the Reds fan. To bad you lost because I like Dusty but at least your team got to the playoffs my new adopted teams, Dodgers and Angels didn't even get to the playoffs! Oh we'll there's always next year!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
I read with interest "Not a Mental Health Counselor" & your post. What is it about this Blog that bothers you the most? The fact that these people have been together a long time and have established a friendship, some a very long time and a very deep friendship? There is a common thread that runs through this Blog. The Blog is about Kate Gosselin and her actions along with her husband, TLC, child abuse, etc., and in between the care of these posters about what can they do to help, aid, support comes "life that happens" which sometimes needs to be said. It is not just a Kate Gosselin caring about a Kate Gosselin and no one else. It is about people sharing their lives, which happen to just pop up and sometimes relieves some of us of those events in our past which cost us angst now that we are so close to someone, through Robert's account, who could commit such horrendous abuse of 8 children, while projecting a country girl with Christ on her shoulder and a Plastic Surgeon on the other shoulder image.
Step back yourself, take a deep breath and if you have time read the 4 "Simple Rules" and if I were you, I would try #3. Thank you for your time.
@Hmmm...149. I think Robert knows exactly where Shoka is. I took it as a rhetorical question since Kate continues evade questions about Shoka.
Ex Nurse said... 117
''......In any case, Admin has been admant about keeping this blog respectable. Since no one here has stated that they have the credentials as a fertility specialist, no one's opinion is any more valid than anyone else's.....''
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Admin's posting rules:
3. No insulting other posters or picking fights, refusing to let things go and move on.
My response to Maggie was more in the range of rule number 3....''refusing to let things go and move on.'' And now that I've explained my response, I'm doing just that.....moving on.
Hope all the ugly, smug posters are happy I am gone. Some of you are disgusting.
A few days early? Last Saturday we were gleeful, the Saturday before arrogant.
Questions are good. Points are valid. Asking the same question over and over, annoying.
I don't think anyone has the answer to the question. It's all just speculation; different people each have a piece of the puzzle and some pieces are plain missing.
The only one who knows the truth is Kate. And we all know how much of a truth teller SHE is. :-)
Hmmm said... 149
Since Robert is such a good friend of Jon's why doesn't he just ask Jon where Shoka is?
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Robert may know perfectly well where Shoka is. He appears to be suggesting that Kate come clean.
Paula, 153 -- I agree. If Robert wants to know where Shoka is, he has sufficient ways to find out. He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides.
He must infuriate her. And, I am fairly sure he enjoys the effect!
aggiemom and Angie, I agree with what you both posted. We are not claiming to have degrees psychiatry (probably spelled that wrong!), but we show compassion and support to those who need it for the life's ups and downs. Many times I have felt the compassion and support for things I have posted from my childhood, and it was so appreciated. It's like finding "kindred spirits" because some of us experienced the same things and found an outlet to talk about it.
My thanks to all the great people on this blog. And to you, Admin, for keeping it all together, which I'm sure has to be VERY difficult at times!
Maybe Jon isn't talking to Roberts since the book was published?
Maggie said... 126
Thanks PatK for the shitty uncalled remark. I have had it. Thanks for those who were kind. I am out of here. I suffer greatly with bad chronic pain for over 25 years every day of my life and severe depression and severe abuse from my mother who I am forced to live with.
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I went back and re-read Maggie's testimony to her living situation. I can't imagine suffering chronic pain for 25 YEARS, can you?
Add to that depression and having to live with an abusive parent.
She's just reaching out, just like everyone else.
(old story applies here...when you think you've got it bad, all you have to do is look to your neighbor).
The older I get, the more time for reflection I have....if you don't love your fellow neighbor, you really are missing out.
Hugs to Maggie.
Sorry Maggie, but I agree with Paula #139. Answers were given that you did not like and you kept harping on the same thing. This is what little kids do until they get their own way.
This is a great blog with wonderful people that are very nice to each other. I am sorry that you have chronic pain and depression and that you will be feeling better. Long time reader, first time poster.
Add to that depression and having to live with an abusive parent.
She's just reaching out, just like everyone else.
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I agree, Aggie. I really don't see the difference between Maggie reaching out and others doing the same thing, such as when someone loses a pet, someone has a parent who is terminally ill, or someone going for major surgery. And yet, for some reason, a poster or posters chastised her for it.
I agree that the blog is not a therapy board, but if others do it and it's okay, why not give the same compassion to all of those who are going through rough times?
I respect the right of posters to stay here -- reading and commenting.
I respect the right of a poster to decide this is not a blog they enjoy and decide to stop contributing.
I just don't understand why insults are thrown in the path of their departure.
Just go do something you like better and leave the rest of us to our happy ignorance.
Answers were given that you did not like and you kept harping on the same thing. This is what little kids do until they get their own way.
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I don't think it was a matter of her not LIKING the answers, but rather that she didn't understand and was just trying to disseminate the information that was given to her.
He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides.
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haha Dmasy! I like that. What a funny visual.
I just hope the sheepe aren't here trying to cause trouble for the regulars here!!!!!
Oh, Maggie,I am so sorry. God Bless you. I am going to pray for you for your depression and pain in Jesus's Holy Name.
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AuntieAnn said... 4
In a perfect world she will be tarred and feathered.
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I hope tonight is that "perfect world."
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I do too but I have my doubts. She really does manage to fall into shitpiles and come up smelling like a rose. I'm not going to get my hopes up that this Cohen show is going to be any different.
hmmm, wondering what birth control katie is using with the bodyguard>
KathyB 127 -- Scary isn't it. Virtually every point. Those poor kids are so screwed.
Aggiemom -- No worries. Readerlady and Librarylady are very similar and we're both from Ohio, so it's easy to get us confused. There are so many people on the blog that it's sometimes difficult to remember the individual details.
Hmmmmm 149 -- Maybe Jon doesn't know where Shoka is? Or maybe Robert is keeping his distance from Jon so Jon doesn't get pulled any further into the controversy over the book any more than he already is.
Maggie -- Please don't go. Try to let go of the hurt feelings and continue to contribute. I understand your frustration. I could feel your frustration and confusion in your questions. The sad truth is there aren't any concrete answers for what you were asking. You've contributed a lot here with some of your posts and I think you need an outlet. Stay with us and let us be that outlet.
Tomatoes -- I like Dusty too and I think he's a good manager. The Reds dealt with adversity all year and still managed to put together a winning season. Unfortunately, he catches a lot of undeserved flack from some "fans". I hope the Reds owners renew his contract.
Remona 154: "3. No insulting other posters or picking fights, refusing to let things go and move on.
My response to Maggie was more in the range of rule number 3....''refusing to let things go and move on.'' And now that I've explained my response, I'm doing just that.....moving on."
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Oops. I guess I interpreted this rule incorrectly. I thought since the first part of it had to do with picking fights and insulting poster, the "refusing to let things go and move on" meant that you don't continue to pick on people and insult them, but rather just let it go. Nobody wins and you just don't keep harping on it and attacking the other person. I didn't know that it meant that questions shouldn't be asked more than once when one was trying to make a point or find out an answer.
But, I guess moving on means moving on, or as Milo says "gettin Ur groove on..."
WWHL has this post on it's FB page.
After Real Housewives of Miami @9/8c, legendary TV icon and star of Syfy's upcoming movie "American Horror House" MORGAN FAIRCHILD will be here alongside Reality TV star KATE GOSSELIN!
Post your questions NOW for Morgan and Kate and keep 'em coming while you watch RHOM!
https://www.facebook.com/WatchWhatHappensLive
So it looks like the show will be live. Maybe Andy is leaving the function with Jane Fonda a little bit early so that he may do his show.
Angie #75. BRAVO! Andy is smart. He presents himself as an unthreatening guy. Sure hope he's looked at the grifting tweets and zings her.
Ex Nurse said...
Remarks like this are why we lose good posters like Pjs Momma. If Kate managed to pull this off by injecting herself with one dose of HCG, then she is an absolute genius. In any case, Admin has been admant about keeping this blog respectable. Since no one here has stated that they have the credentials as a fertility specialist, no one's opinion is any more valid than anyone else's.
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Well said ex Nurse!
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Tucker's Mom,
I hope your bichon boy is feeling good tonight!
Dmasy said... 157
''Paula, 153 -- I agree. If Robert wants to know where Shoka is, he has sufficient ways to find out. He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides.
He must infuriate her. And, I am fairly sure he enjoys the effect!''
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I think that Robert knows exactly where Shoka is. Yes, he's jabbing KK with a stick. Robert knows exactly how to get under her skin. The instant I saw the price of his book, $8.88, I knew Robert was going to poke at her. I hope that Robert is enjoying the effect he has on KK, because I sure am!!
What I think is different on Watch What Happens Live is that the conversation is so random, so fast. Khate will have to be going it without an earpiece - there would be no time for anyone to whisper an answer to her. And there will be alcohol involved. (how's that for a lunch table discussion at school - "saw your Mom doing shots on TV!") I don't believe she will be fast enough on her feet - remember how she stayed out of the conversations when she co-hosted The View?
I saw Andy Cohen on some show last week...maybe Anderson? (I was folding laundry, whatever was on for that 10 minutes) He was telling whomever that YES, he is a gay man, but he loves him some BOOBIES.
I don't see how she will escape that question.
My DVR is set.
This is a gag question but how about Andy asks her what she thinks of the presidential race. Or even if that's too hard, to name one candidate, any candidate, of the two. I'm guessing at most she heard there's votes or something coming up.
Maggie, wishing you nothing put positive things for your life. I understood exactly what you were saying and had no issues with it.
Be well.
I agree that WWHL did not go well....it was pre-taped and Kate has not tweeted about it at all! She tweeted up a STORM about "watch me on @katie couric" the day it was suppose to air. I think she waits until after she's done it to decide if it went well enough to promote...anything negative and it's total silence
Will Kate have an earpiece in so that Julie Carson May can feed her answers? :)
It was hilarious finding out she had an earpiece in during that infamous Natalie Morales interview.
I hope PJ knows I think that was probably just a drive by and she's always welcome here. It's interesting to me that it's fine to talk about not having very much money, but talk about having money and people freak out. Why is that, jealousy? It's not really a big deal either way, or shouldn't be. I'm happy for successful people especially for those who did it through hard work, I don't have a need to resent it or begrudge it. I wish Kate would be more honest about money. That's what bugs me, when people misrepresent their money.
He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides.
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haha Dmasy! I like that. What a funny visual.
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Shouldn't he be removing the stick that Kate already has in there before poking her with another? More than one stick could be very uncomfortable!
Wow! This definitely was not an upbeat article about the gosselin's ...yikes
http://www.heavemedia.com/2012/10/11/rambling-dispatches-kate-gosselin/
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 183
He is just jabbing a stick in the dark hole where Kate hides.
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haha Dmasy! I like that. What a funny visual.
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Shouldn't he be removing the stick that Kate already has in there before poking her with another? More than one stick could be very uncomfortable!
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I bet she'll remove it so she and Robert can duel it out.
Or even if that's too hard, to name one candidate, any candidate, of the two. I'm guessing at most she heard there's votes or something coming up.
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That's too easy. Ask her the candidates for Vice President!
First things first: why is Kate’s last name still Gosselin? Oh, that’s right, for the fame.
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Amen. Own it Kate.
I think both points of view are correct: Ex-Nurse wrote: "I am just asking that people open up their view and see that there was a very sick family dynamic and that both of them contributed. To it and reacted to each other..."
Jon chose her because she took control; she chose Jon because he let her have control. They ending up hating each other for the very things that initially attracted them. Add to that Kate's (obvious, IMO) pathology and the stress of multiples and it gets taken to a whole new level as Admin suggested.
The thing is, as Jon got healthier, Kate got crazier.
The only thing I object to, respectful, is asking people to "open up their view."
Just because there are different takes on who bore what responsibility for what doesn't mean anyone is being closed minded or not opening up. I don't think ex-Nurse is closed minded nor do I think the other view is either though.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 187
First things first: why is Kate’s last name still Gosselin? Oh, that’s right, for the fame.
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Amen. Own it Kate.
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She going to give some B.S answer like.
"I don't want to hurt my kids by changing my last name"
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"My kids have the same last name and they want mommy to as well"-blah blah bah.
Someone mentioned Jon. He did put that Stop Filming sign up, he did pull his kids off of TV. When TLC's legal dept came running, Jon got crushed. His own wife was in TLC's corner, not in their kid's corner.He left, he got drunk, stoned and then after a few months he found his way back. But she kept the kids in that konpound making them go to bed hungry for breathing. She dragged them around the country on K+8, those kids lost every relative; just camera people whom Kate thought loved her. I want to see this case go to court and Robert pull out every piece of info, bring everyone in to blow open this horrible life that these kids have been made to live. How many people have quit working for Kate? 20? More or less. How many people don't stay in touch with her? Someone on an post yesterday, while we were talking about the dresser and mirror and the destroyed bedroom, that a bunch of 6 little ones in one room could be destructive. I will never believe that. Those kids were too afraid of Kate to do anything like that. Maybe 2 of them would try to destroy but not the other 4. Scared to death of Kate, wouldn't do it. Had to be Kate.
Angie, I agree with everything you said above except for the part about thinking the film crew lover her. My opinion is that she didn't care one way or the other what they felt about her or the kids; that was just for show/publicity.
As long as she was being filmed, being put on TV, and getting big bucks for it, she doesn't care what anyone thought of her. She just wanted the fame and fortune.
admin said...
"It's interesting to me that it's fine to talk about not having very much money, but talk about having money and people freak out. Why is that, jealousy? It's not really a big deal either way, or shouldn't be"
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Good question, and I think you answered it with your question. I don't think that it's jealousy, but rather because there are so many people struggling right now and unemployed, that when someone talks about how much money they have, how many houses they own, and that they are wealthy, it's almost like a slap in the face to those here who are going through rough times. It's like rubbing salt in an open wound. It's tough to go through economically rough times and to hold down multiple jobs just to survive, and then if someone talks about their accumulated wealth and giving money away, it's really hard to take for the people who don't have much at all. It might make them feel much worse than they already do, especially since people come on this blog to talk about various things, recipes, gardening, rumspringa, and forget their money woes even for a little while.
If you've worked hard all your life and are enjoying the result of that hard work, why is it necessary to make it public...why not just quietly enjoy that money, realizing that not everyone is as lucky as you?
Just my thoughts...for what they're worth.
LoveMyGrandsons said... 192
''......thinking the film crew lover her. My opinion is that she didn't care one way or the other what they felt about her or the kids; that was just for show/publicity.
As long as she was being filmed, being put on TV, and getting big bucks for it, she doesn't care what anyone thought of her. She just wanted the fame and fortune.''
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I do remember an exchange of emails KK had when she was complaining about the crew. She didn't like that they ''have opinions'', and wanted new crew members that kept their opinions to themselves.
I remember that because my first thought was to hope their ''opinions'' were that she shouldn't beat her toddlers!!
Sorry, everyone, for so many posts tonight, but there are so many good posts worth commenting on.
Midnight Madness, you said it perfectly. I'm sure other posters do not mean to make someone feel bad, but if you are struggling, a certain post can strike a raw nerve. I'm sure it is not intentional, but to struggling families, it can cause hurt feelings.
I do not mean any offense to anyone; I am just stating my opinion.
Aggiesmom if I move to your hometown in Texas can we be best friends ! You are so cool!! And you are also very nice!!
Let's Throw Tomatoes
Remona Blue, I forgot about those email that were posted here. That does prove that Kate didn't care what anyone thought. As long as they were being filmed and she was getting paid, she didn't care.
I follow Andy on Twitter. The show is definitely live tonight. He is asking for questions and saying join him live at 11.
Sandusky and his wife are disgusting.
Just needed to say this.
I wonder what Kate will be drinking, during the WWHL show tonight. Cellar No. 8 white wine perhaps? Gina Neild might scold you... (Remember your resolution to her on January 1st of 2009, Katie?)
I believe Jon was dwelling in the apartment above the garage back then. Interesting, and crazy at the same time! Still planning make-up galas for Mrs. Neild's folks, and all while fooling the World.
I'll talk about Milo's identity crisis, and Eric Roberts in a few minutes. I have a few details to add to the conversation this week.
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