Time Magazine put her in their "bad year" category opposite Kate Middleton in the good year column, blasting Kate for being fired from Coupon Cabin. Ha.
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Merry Christmas from the Realitytvkids.com staff!
Sunday, December 23, 2012
A bad year. For Kate anyway.
Much like last year when Kate made some "worst of" lists, on one of them even being compared to Gadhafi, she's popping up again on 2012 lists.
Time Magazine put her in their "bad year" category opposite Kate Middleton in the good year column, blasting Kate for being fired from Coupon Cabin. Ha.
Merry Christmas from the Realitytvkids.com staff!
Time Magazine put her in their "bad year" category opposite Kate Middleton in the good year column, blasting Kate for being fired from Coupon Cabin. Ha.
Merry Christmas from the Realitytvkids.com staff!
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Glad I missed that, LOL.
I hope everyone had a wonderful, fun Christmas with their loved ones. And wishing everyone a nice day recovering :)
It was lovely to wake up to snow today... if just a dusting. A bit more snow and wintery mix for the next couple hours here, then just rain and wind.
Yes, a good excuse to stay in today and braise some beef stew.
Thank you mods for cleaning up the Troll droppings so rudely deposited here last night.
Bearswife -- I think you'll need to get in line to slap. I'm sure there are a lot of people who feel the same urge after that last, egregious twit. Sad thing is, if JON had twitted something like that, the sheeple would be all in a lather BAAAAAAAAAing for a restraining order, at the very least.
Formerly -- I think what KK means by driving with "authority" is what most of us would call reckless -- Barrelling down the road without regard to speed limits, illegal left turns, and similar traffic violations that she often seems to get away with.
Have fun with your boxing day sales, ladies. It's snowing here, not very hard yet, but more to come, and getting windy. Some businesses and services are already closed, or will close at noon. Roads are already slippery, so I'm doing the smart (chicken?) thing and staying safely inside. Dwindle, how do things look up your way? Or has it hit that far N yet? Seems to be coming up from the South this time, rather than the N or W.
OT - book comments.
In the festive days heading into Christmas I began reading "We Need To Talk About Kevin" by Lionel Shriver. Someone mentioned the book on this blog. I have learned to pay attention to recommendations from my friends here.
This book "hung over" the holidays. I was compelled to sneak away to read in every spare moment.
It is a heavy and serious read. It punctured me and drew emotional blood.
It is not just a book about the mother of a spree killer -- it digs deep into many issues, marital relationships, maternal instincts, loyalty and grief.
In the early chapters (letters to her husband) I had to get used to Ms. Shriver's style of dumping a dictionary into each sentence. Once I adjusted, the book just flowed into descriptive sentences.
The book was so powerful that I will need to wait before turning the first page of another title by this author.
(If you are a mother-to-be or thinking about starting a family, this is a book that will be extremely unsettling. I hesitated to recommend it just because of the stark description of an experience that is usually deified.)
Now, I will retire from book reviews and let Readerlady take the stage.
But, I REALLY want to know what anyone else here though/thinks of this harrowing story.
I'm just catching up here. Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas! We so enjoyed the snow that started Christmas afternoon here & continued into the evening. My dh had to work second shift so it was a quiet day. I'm hoping to make some snickerdoodles today!! :D
BTW: Is there anyone here with experience getting their knees injected for pain relief? My dh has had it done a few times, but this last time his knees have started hurting before the 3 months was up. He can't get an appointment until January 25th. :(
Dmasy: I also am reading "We Need to Talk About Kevin." I find it disturbing too yet can't put it down in my reading time. I think the relationship between the mother and son is unusual; don't most children bond with their mothers at least before the 'danger ' signs appear? At least in a possessive way? Refusing to nurse? Rejecting all her attentions? But the book rings true. Kevin's calculated anger and destruction of her study, for example, and torturing of the 'perfect' daughter the couple has. The father's blinders on the situation also may be real reactions to such situations.
My neighbour's son, now age 20, was a lot like this as a child...
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As for Kate, something doesn't ring true...do I recall correctly that they had Furbies last year for Xmas as well as robots for Cara/Mady maybe? She would have tweeted a pic of the tree, presents, kids,food, church just like last year if all this actually happened. She can't help herself. I bet they were with Jon for a good part of the holiday.
Dmasy said:
In the festive days heading into Christmas I began reading "We Need To Talk About Kevin" by Lionel Shriver. Someone mentioned the book on this blog. I have learned to pay attention to recommendations from my friends here.
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Two part post!
1. Thanks for this book recommendation, as I have received Amazon gift cards for Christmas, as well as a beautiful new Vera Bradley cover for my Kindle. The last book I read on my Kindle was Kate Gosselin How She Fooled The World haha.
I am going to purchase the one you mentioned above. I would also like to ask if anyone has read Defending Jacob...I was considering that purchase as well.
2. This morning I received an email from our local Food Pantry where I am on the volunteer list. They are asking for a special donation for one of the clients who is a mother of four children, and whose husband was placed into jail for spousal and child abuse.
Because of the loss of a second income the family has lost their home and automobile. However, she walked to school three miles with children in tow, in order to attend the parent/teacher conferences in November.
The teachers at the school got together and bought holiday gifts for the children, but the lady just needs a place to live and a way to get to work. Such a sad story.
I guess my point is, this lady truly is someone who is desperate and in need, unlike a certain rich wanna be star who whines and grifts on the internet, and takes from unsuspecting "fans".
I also wanted to comment on the CBS special One Christmas Story, which aired on Christmas Eve night. It was a beautiful special filmed in Reading Pennsylvania, in one of our city churches. It was a very entertaining and uplifting show that showed the beauty and the hope of our impoverished city. With the City of Reading being listed as the "poorest city in the nation", I was thrilled to see that it actually made network television in such a beautiful and sensitive way.
Happy New Year to all the posters and adminstrators at this fabulous blog!
Dmasy you make a good point. If she were a happy woman there would be no sourness in her heart to slam her children's father on Christmas Day no matter how much she can't stand him. Her statement about Jon shows she in fact is not happy at all. Who was that sheeple a couple weeks ago trying to say that parental alienation is just a cheap trial tactic slick attorneys use? Believe in it now???
BTW: Is there anyone here with experience getting their knees injected for pain relief? My dh has had it done a few times, but this last time his knees have started hurting before the 3 months was up. He can't get an appointment until January 25th. :(
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Hi Lancomom!
I had a series of three injections into my knee in November. It was not cortisone however, and I can only have mine done every six months. They say the pain relief will be gradual for me, and I have noticed some very definite improvement, although I still do have pain, admittedly.
My physician said I could come in during that six month interval and receive a cortisone shot if I needed it, since we are planning a trip to Florida in February and I will be doing a lot of walking.
What type of injections does your husband receive?
Hugs to your husband, I truly get it :(
Bearswife, i want to join you in the Kate-slapping. Reminds me of the scene in Airplane where the passengers are all lined up to hit the obnoxious woman - some with clubs, some with baseball bats, led by Leslie Neilsen as the Doctor (Another extremely funny Canadian, God rest his soul!)
Now that Air Canada has a cheap flights airline we could see if it goes to Pennsylvania...
Disclaimer: only joshing, of course ; a chance to bitch-slap Kate isn't worth spending the air fare..
I hope everyone had a wonderful Holiday!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 9
Also if she was so happy to be with the kids on Christmas wound't she not tweet on Christmas?
I mean it's Christmas is only 24hrs right.
she can't stay of twitter for a day to be w/her kids?
I think she can since.
Kate didn't tweet for a whole week when is was away supposedly with Kendra so?
Berks Resident: YES, definitely read Defending Jacob. I read a lot and sometimes forget what a particular book was about, but this one, well, it was a zinger. I remember I couldn't put it down. I highly recommend it!
Merry Christmas Everybody! Hope it was a good one. 'Twas at here at the aviary (no "avaiation" flu in sight ). We flew up to DS's house up north a bit after Mass. Had a wonderful brunch, then later in the afternoon turducken sandwiches on sinful croissants. Eating Good.
DS and her hubby and littles GS are supposed to leave Indy this afternoon and drive to Delaware County. Sorta, kinda, don't think that's gonna happen :( will have to wait until tomorrow. Too dangerous today. Anyway, all of us back up to DS for our little dysfunctional family Christmas celebration on Saturday. Hope the weather cooperates. We then head back to the aviary and the Chicago contingency returns to the big city. But it's like we Christmas all week! I love it! Gave up good thoughts for all of you here while at Mass.
Ah Kate. Kate, Kate. Kate:
PatK said... 160
xxxxxxxx@Kateplusmy8 @Emeril do the kids get to see dad i hope they do i'm sure they would want to
kateplusmy8
@xxxxxxxx assumptions are very dangerous......
Well, there is that saying - when you assume you make an ass out of you AND me. So, I guess you are saying @xxxxxxxx made an ass of out themselves AND YOU???
But you are right. Assumption CAN be very dangerous. Assumptions can be true. Assumptions can be proven true as well as false. Even simple mathematical assumptions A=B B=C logcial to assume A=C (really, really simmply, but no "generalizable" so I don't want to ruffle feathers).
Lady, YOU put your life along with your children's on display for public viewing, announcing it was the "realest of reality shows". The public saw evidence the children loved their father and he them. Your twisted love of the tease (is there a new show, cookbook coming soon, and on and on ad nauseum, not to mention your torture teases aimed at your own children) opens the questioning door. Based on the evidence shown it fair and logical to assume the children would want to see their dad at some point at Christmas time. You could have just said "yes". But, yet again, in your own sadistic way, left things wide open. Was your tweet a dig at Jon? Or maybe Liz - and there a dig at Jon? There was that rumor that the twins didnt' like Liz's kids. Or maybe Jon was out of town for Christmas and you agreed to custody modification for the holiday but just had to word it to the media that kids only wanted to be with you...public only knows what YOU say. Jon is, oh, I don't know, PRIVATE. You oughta give it a try.
The tweeter HOPED your kids got to see their dad at Christmas. Was SURE they would want to. She is a FAN. Kate you were rude and insulting to a fan. Do you even realize that? MUST you try and manipulate the entire world and insinuate that your ex is the devil incarnate on Christianity's Holy Day of Celebration of the birth the Savior of the World?
PLEASE Kate, make a New Year's resolution to stop making tweet's like this one.
I usually got out of town to be with family.
We didn't have the money to go (mom & me) out of town.
So this year it was just me and my mom an untie an cousin and, my dogs we had dinner.
I was happy Kate didn't seem happy to me.
There are so many good books out there!
She's come Undone, I've heard great things about Defending Jacob from a coworker. Also want to read We Need to Talk about Kevin. As soon as I'm finshed with The Help and also with The Things they Carried by Tim O'Brien (has anyone ever read that? It's a Vietnam War book I believe).
Kate is the worst role model in the world, I'm sorry. Yesterday, she bragged, tweeted incessantly, and was completely disrespectful to the father of her her children. Nothing very Christmas-like about any of that.
She thinks she can hide behind her tweets of , oh wow we're all so happy here! 8 screaming shrieking squealing children! Epic! Yay yay yay.
But she always gives her true self away with a nasty tweet like last night's. She just can't help herself. She is a miserable, hateful woman.
There was a time when, although I strongly disagreed with her fans, I respected them as people and valued their right to feel however they wish about her.
Now, I feel differently. I just can't think highly of anyone would support that kind of vicious behaviour.
kateplusmy8
@xxxxxxxx assumptions are very dangerous......
Okay Kate your are kind of right with this.
I assumed that you were a good mother.
I assumed that you would never harm your kids.
I assumed that you would stop using your kids.
I assumed that you wouldn't bash you kids father
-While you talked. About how sad you were to be getting divorced.
I assumed that you Kate Gosselin would never call people haters.
I assumed that you Kate would never steal from churches while being filthy rich.
-I mean what christian does that?
I guess I assumed wrong huh?
By the way, the person who asked Kate if they get to see their dad and said that they are sure they would want to, did she mean on Christmas, or in general? Wasn't sure if she was asking if the kids got to see Jon last night or if they ever get to see him... it's a bit unclear when it's out of context.
Either way, Kate's ridiculous responds implies that, actually maybe they don't want to see him so you best not assume that.
Kate, you should WANT your children to want to see their father. It doesn't mean they DON'T want to see you or don't love you. It means that he is their parent too, he took care of them and loved them for all of those years, too, and they wish for him to be a big part of their lives too.
Most women would be jumping up and down if their kids were happy at both parents' places and had a functioning relationship with both parents after a messy divorce.
Kate seems to pray for the opposite, for them to hate Jon and want no part of his life. And to the sheeple who are reading this, I am not putting words in Kate's mouth, this is how her tweets come across whether you want to admit it or not. And it's disgusting and pathetic.
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Posters who think it odd that there are no pictures of all the superhappyfunshrieks, I think you are right. The nastygram is like confirmation. The children probably were with their father party or all day.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
Leah @ dinner:Boys, @Emeril horsehair sauce is on ur plate.It's delicious but hot so mommy put applecider in r cups' She meant HORSERADISH
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Why does she make her kids sound so dumb?
They're 8 I'm sure that they have better vocabulary then this.
Hey, Emiril! The man who got all the attention instead of Kate on that one Jon and Kate Plus 8 episode, thus annoyed Kate? The man who was wonderful with Kate's children and got little to no appreciation from her? The man who Kate rudely hit with a spoon? I remember him!
She has found a new use for the kids - keeping her company in that dreary, dark house until someone better comes along. What? They may get loud and rowdy you say, not to fear, she has that under CONTROL.
There has emerged a picture of Shoka without a covering over his head. It is generic so could have been taken at any time.
Poor Shoka is at home with Kate I feel so bad for that beautiful boy
http://img.ly/reCI
OK this is kind of a long story so I'll try and condense it. I have one child who is 16. I divorced when she was 2 because her father was emotionally abusive to me. However, he was an excellent, loving, involved father. Soccer games, school events, we went together while she was small. Then when she was 10 he married a woman who is very much like Kate..I believe a narcissist w/ Borderline Personality Disorder. At that point he actually was away in the army but stayed involved with my dd. Sent her presents, had her out for the summer. However the wife constantly made it clear to my dd that her dad now had a new family and she was no longer the center of his world. This devastated my daughter. It wasn't until she was 13 and they moved back, though that things hit the fan. The SM played alienation games, turned my daughter very angry with me. The wife got between my ex and my dd to the point that she was no longer allowed to do activities on "their weekend". She
became awful to my dd. She and ex got in volatile fights. When I went to court to allow dd to do track that they tried to block, they sued me for full custody and drained my finances. However, after therapy and some maturation my dd realized that I was not the problem. She is still very very hurt by my ex not being there for her and feels rejected and abandoned. She does not want to go to that house at all.
My point is, if it were true, which it is not I am sure, that the kids prefer to be with Kate and don't want to go to dad's, they would not just be happy and content to stay with mom and not have to go to dad's. We saw the close bond they had with him. If that bond has eroded, they would be angry and sad that he was not the same for them. They may not want to go there (not true) but they would be mourning the dad they used to have. They would be conflicted and upset, not simply happy happy happy to be at their mother's. She is a parental alienating witch.
Thomas McDougall@tmcdou41
@Kateplusmy8 it's none of my biz. hope u had a great Christmas and the new year bring u happiness
16h Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy8
@tmcdou41 it was indeed a great Christmas..no where else we'd rather be :)
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Unfrickingbelievable. She throws Jon under the bus again when the tweeter backed off by saying "There's nowhere else we'd rather be."
Not being picky, in context, to this tweeter, this DEFINITELY seems like another dig. I am so angry right now that she gets away with this. It's just awful.
I'd rather be with my father who values love and togetherness, than with my mother who cares about materialistic things and bragging for her tweeties above all else. If the kids don't feel the same way, than Kate has seriously given them a distorted view of the world and has effed up their priorities. Mother of the year!
Bearswife said... 197
Happy Boxing Day!!
khatie Irene needs to be slapped. And I selflessly volunteer my services. ;)
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Reading that twit's parental alienation tweet as well as the stories of giving by the readers on this board, I had an idea.
What if we had a dunk tank, with Katie Irene as the dunkee, 3 balls for a $1. Open 1 hour for EACH parental alienator tweet she's ever made or responded to on twitter. All proceeds to charity.
How sad and pathetic that Kate is still so bitter with Jon 3 years after the divorce. Kate's tweets are just validation that the kids DO prefer to visit Jon than stay with her. What child would want to spend their time in a house where their "mother" ignores them as she plays out her fantasy Kate Plus 8 episodes in her head and tweets them out as if they are somehow real. No, Kate is still bitter at Jon because she knows the kids love their father and want to spend time with him, thus the over-the-top posts trying to convince the few people that care, that the children prefer their "mother".
Working Woman:
The Things they Carried by Tim O'Brien is very good; literal and figurative effects of war. Also enjoyed The Help and We Need to Talk About Kevin. So many good books out there!
Pics of deer, Shoka sitting on his carpet line like the kids..but no kids or Xmas decor/ food. I'm still suspicious. Kate is not able to admit the terms of their custody or the children's affection for their father.There is no reason to share with the public,or to feel shame about this, but Kate just blithely lies about everything.
Looks like she posed Shoka on a piece of carpet sample or rug just to get a pic of him indoors maybe? Can't have dirty doggy feet tracking on her floors.
Of course she wouldn't complain about dings and dents on her furniture. She got the stuff for free to begin with and as long as no one is handing her new free furniture yet she acts like she is ok with what she has.
And to the sheeple who are reading this, I am not putting words in Kate's mouth, this is how her tweets come across whether you want to admit it or not.
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Maybe, Jon is not what you all think he is. I think Kate shows a lot of restraint. There is a parental alienator here and it is not Kate. I know this is not what you want to hear but it is,sadly, happening.
Feel bad even posting since I don't have time to read, but I just looked at Kate's blog and no way do I believe that is a pic of Shoka. This dog has much, much more black on his muzzle than Shoka. She doesn't even call the dog Shoka (for the first time), but "our furry friend." Just look at the pic of Shoka on her "Shoka Diaries"...nowhere near that much black on his muzzle.
Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
@Kateplusmy8
@MiloandJack @Emeril delicious ham (w horseradish sauce) pineapple cass,greenbean casserole, baked sweet potatoes &baked beans #kidsrequest
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@Sameo...every word out of Kate's mouth about Jon is a classic case of "parental alienation". Your post was silly.
Lancaster Mom (and anyone else with human or pet joint pain) I HIGHLY recommend the supplement Lubrisyn. It worked miracles on my old dog (who acted young!) and my ex said it also helped him with his bone-on-bone knee pain. Not cheap, but worth it IMO.
Looks like Katherine was busy in the kitchen!!
Sameo 33, that's fair enough if you feel that way. Please enlighten me, though, on how Jon parent alienates Kate. He doesn't have a Twitter account anymore, I don't believe, and when he did, he did not once imply that his kids did not like being with her or that she is not a good mother. In fact, he is quoted as saying that she is a good mother!
Any chance she gets, she gets a dig in on Jon and/or insinuates that the kids would rather be with her than with him.
It has nothing to do with "what we want to hear." Kate writes that stuff right in front of our eyes. Sorry, but nothing will change my mind about that.
Sameo said... 33
And to the sheeple who are reading this, I am not putting words in Kate's mouth, this is how her tweets come across whether you want to admit it or not.
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Maybe, Jon is not what you all think he is. I think Kate shows a lot of restraint. There is a parental alienator here and it is not Kate. I know this is not what you want to hear but it is,sadly, happening.
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Even IF that were the case, and I don't believe it is, are you saying Kate therefore gets a pass on being a total bitch in public whether it be interviews or Twitter? Why doesn't she be the mature adult? No need to answer--rhetorical question.
None of us claim to know Jon. Most of us agree that he has made many, many mistakes.
A lot of us do feel, though, that he has expressed remorse for his mistakes, has proven his remorse by laying low and giving up the behaviours that sheeple cannot get over, respecting his children's privacy, and speaking highly of Kate in the very, very rare instance that he talks about her at all.
That's all we really ask of him. Clearly you support and care for Kate, and that's your business. But she has not given me any reason, based on her tweets, interviews, or "realest" reality show in which she claims that what you see is what you get, that she is a good or kind person who respects her children's privacy.
And please don't blame the editing, whatever you do. Even the most talented folks at TLC would not be able to "edit" words into her mouth or rude looks onto her face.
Susan Toyota,
That is a fabulous idea! everybody better pack a lunch because I have $100 of Christmas money burning a hole in my pocket!
Sameo said... 33
And to the sheeple who are reading this, I am not putting words in Kate's mouth, this is how her tweets come across whether you want to admit it or not.
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Maybe, Jon is not what you all think he is. I think Kate shows a lot of restraint. There is a parental alienator here and it is not Kate. I know this is not what you want to hear but it is,sadly, happening.
December 26, 2012 9:21 AM
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If Kate shows a lot of restraint then why is she still talking about Jon three year after the divorce?
Why is she still bashing him 3yrs later?
Why can't she let go 3yrs later.
Why is the only thing she can talk about is Jon and the divorce?
she has shown anything but restraint on TV & twitter.
Sameo, if you are Kate, please speak up and tell us. We would be fine with it and maybe could kindly ask you to stop throwing your ex under the bus??
Seriously, clearly you are Kate, a very close friend or family member friend who would know about the family dynamics, or an extreme fan who just claims to know to make your idol look better.
You don't have to let us know which it is, but if you are Kate, stop giving us reasons to believe you are a parental alienator if you are not one. If you are a family member or friend, stop enabling Kate and tell her how she comes across to 98 (at least) percent of the population. If you are just a fan, then stop, because maybe Kate isn't what you think she is (just like you say Jon isn't what we think he is).
Playing devils advocate. Say Sameo is correct and Jon or L is doing parental alienation. That doesn't change the truth that Kate is which is proven by her tweets. It also means Kate is definately a liar. One or both parents alienating their kids does not result in Happy! Happy! Kids period. It results in angry sad ALIENATED kids.
Hell every time Kate gets an interview I can predict what she going to talk about.
1. The kids miss TV
2. She is open in doing a TV show with the kids.
3. she open to do a dating show.
4. She and Jon are cool now.
5. She and Jo aren't cool now
6. She talks about the divorce
7. She throws Jon under the bus
8. She needs a bodyguard
9. She's not banging the bodyguard.
It's the same thing over and over.
She's uninteresting by herself that's why she needs the kids & Jon.
(And the sheep know it)
Even IF that were the case, and I don't believe it is, are you saying Kate therefore gets a pass on being a total bitch in public whether it be interviews or Twitter? Why doesn't she be the mature adult? No need to answer--rhetorical question.
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Exactly. Kate needs to zip it. Totally. I don't care if Jon is the worst parent on the planet, totally neglects his children, ran off with a hundred women and left her alone penniless, living on welfare. There are things that you just do not talk about, hint at, confirm or deny in a public forum. The ex-spouse and his/her behavior is one of those things. You exercise complete restraint (not just partial) for the sake of your kids.
With all respect, it may not be accurate to say that "all" Kate talks about is Jon and the divorce. Remember, she also talks about how giddy and happy and squealing her kids are and how much they thank her for everything! And that she has 8 kids, don't forget.
She constantly enables her fans to speak badly about him with her retweets. And she makes rude comments like "assumptions are dangerous" when a fan says that she would think that the kids would want to see their father, which is a totally reasonable assumption by the way.
So, respectfully Sameo, do you think that's appropriate? If you were a divorced women and had children who loved their father, and he was not a danger to them (and please don't try to say that Jon is a danger to them, we all know he's not), you would think it's okay to make that kind of comment on a public forum?
Working Woman said... 48
With all respect, it may not be accurate to say that "all" Kate talks about is Jon and the divorce. Remember, she also talks about how giddy and happy and squealing her kids are and how much they thank her for everything! And that she has 8 kids, don't forget.
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Oh yes I forgot she also talks about running and baking.
And how the kids looooove mommy's meals they rate it 9/10.
And, as its been pointed out, if Jon were so god awful that Kate has shown such restraint (hahahhahah!) even with the many many times she has thrown him under the bus, he would not be granted every other weekend, some week days, and holidays with the kids. It just wouldn't happen if he were as horrible for the kids as the fans want to believe, it's much easier to screw over a father than it is to screw over the mother.
Also, some food for thought sheeple ... how come Jon has had no problems meeting women to date and have relationships with (and the recent ones do not seem to be famewhores because they have kept it pretty low-key), and yet no man will touch Kate with a 200-foot pole, per her own admission?
They both have 8 kids, doesn't matter that she has them more. They both have a lot of baggage and a complicated history.
Jon is a man who has had issues but seems to be a relatively grounded, easy-going man. Kate seems like a royal bitch. Just call a spade a spade.
Tweetle de, When and where does Kate get a pass?
All I am saying is that Jon is not the person you have built him up to be. Never was nor will ever be. I think some of you here see that but don't express it.
I think the truth will come out as to whom cannot move on from the divorce.
Working Woman said... 18
Kate seems to pray for the opposite, for them to hate Jon and want no part of his life. And to the sheeple who are reading this, I am not putting words in Kate's mouth, this is how her tweets come across whether you want to admit it or not.
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No, it is how her tweets come across to YOU. Your interpretation is just that, your interpretation. Others may read her words differently. What is so difficult to understand about that?
I think some of her comments are out of line and she should think before she tweets. I don't, however, think she is praying for her children to hate their father. That is an extreme interpretation, whether you want to admit it or not.
Little early for the sheeple to appear, eh?
@sameo...Kate cannot stop talking about or taking digs at her children's father at any opportunity. I'd say that's not able to move on from the divorce and it's been 3 years. Kate won't move, but sheeple really, you can move on, it wasn't your marriage.
callerbabe
@Kateplusmy8 You need to screw it back on with a screwdriver Kate,ok?That's from my 19yr old daughter who has one from Santa too!
kateplusmy8
@callerbabe 19 with a Furby? Lol! Cute!
callerbabe
@Kateplusmy8 My daughter is 19 but she's special needs-actually she has a mind of a 12-15yr old!
Geez, Kate. Put your foot in your mouth, why don't you?
Moreover, she's lol'ing at a 19-year-old with a Furby? Didn't she say last night that she had an original Furby, which would have made HER 23 at the time?
Anonymous 52, you are right, they may not be how it comes across to everyone, that's far.
You are correct, though, that that is how it comes across to many of us. Therefore, it could possibly come across that way to her children or Jon, if they ever hear of such statements.
Therefore, we think it's best for Kate to not tweet anything that could be interpreted that way. And, I do feel she knows EXACTLY what she is doing. She's already been called out on those types of tweets before by nonfans, and she is not one bit more careful.
You have your opinion, that's fair. I have mine. If she did stuff like that once or twice, it may be fair to say that it's an extreme position on it. She has done it countless times. It's past the point where we should cut her a break or give her the benefit of the doubt.
And Sameo, we have said here more times than we can count, we do NOT think Jon is a saint. Many of us, including me, feel that he is a better parent than Kate and always was. You don't have to feel that way.
I also highly recommend "Water For Elephants" (MUCH better than the movie) and it is only $1.99 in the Kindle store today.
Sameo said... 51
Tweetle de, When and where does Kate get a pass?
All I am saying is that Jon is not the person you have built him up to be. Never was nor will ever be. I think some of you here see that but don't express it.
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Can you say the same about Kate?
It's irrelevant to me whether Jon is the worst father and man in PA. A judge has decided the children may see him, unmonitored, and it's unhealthy and downright damaging for Kate to alienate the children from him which she does every time she makes a nasty comment.
We have varying opinions on Jon here. Some really like him, some don't like him at all, some area so-so but just feel that he's a better parent and person.
The tweeties who dominate Kate's twitter, however, refuse to accept Kate as less than a perfect goddess.
Your opinion is welcome as long as you are respectful and nonoffensive, although to be honest, it's not a popular one here. But please don't generalize that we all view Jon and a saint and as perfect, because it's been made clear time and time again that hardly any of us, if any of us, do.
All I am saying is that Jon is not the person you have built him up to be. Never was nor will ever be. I think some of you here see that but don't express it.
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I think Jon is the person we think he is. An imperfect human being (as we all are), who loves his children and wants the best for them.
If you have any proof other than that share it instead of beating around the bush with sly little innuendos. My guess is that if you had such proof, it would have been made public long ago.
Looks like the new Sheep MO is to come across like they are not that much of a Kate fun, but just want to say (something in favor of Kate and horrible about Jon). LOL
If you are not that much of a Kate fan, why do you bother to come over here, to people who you clearly disagree with, JUST to defend her and/or bash her ex? Makes no sense.
Must be tough, being a Kate fan. I do respect them for continuing to try to find good where there's none. She sure as hell doesn't give them much to work with anymore.
Therefore, we think it's best for Kate to not tweet anything that could be interpreted that way. And, I do feel she knows EXACTLY what she is doing. She's already been called out on those types of tweets before by nonfans, and she is not one bit more careful.
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The issue isn't about Jon's maturity or lack of it, or that he isn't all that and a bag of chips when it comes to parenting. What is a concern is that SHE continues to snipe at him in public, no matter how subtle that may be. There was absolutely no reason in the world to make that "assumption" remark. None whatsoever.
I don't think "Sameo" knows a damn thing as fact. But nice try, dear.
Anyway...is Kate planning on tweeting nonstop the entire time these kids are on Winter Break? Ugh. I think perhaps we'll know when Jon has them by her twitter absence.
I would think if the twins don't care to visit Jon, that at least the "littles" do. Especially the boys, who are at the bottom of Kate's love list.
Also, Kate had mentioned in a tweet yesterday about seeing what marathons she'll be lining up for 2013. I wonder which foolish corporation will be sponsoring her? Methinks her marathons may be the only vacations she gets from now on.
If you are not that much of a Kate fan, why do you bother to come over here, to people who you clearly disagree with, JUST to defend her and/or bash her ex? Makes no sense.
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There was another one here who has surfaced from time to time in the recent past who kept insisting that Jon doesn't care about the kids, is a horrible parent who doesn't want the kids in his life, we don't know him (but she/he does) and the truth will come out. An insider. Hard to tell if this is the same person, but the MO is the same.
I think we learned a bit of truth when it was revealed that the custody split is now 50/50. And that custody modification had nothing to do with any good will on Kate's behalf.
Actually, I think Sameo is a regular poster here who is using another name. There was a huge tell in one of the posts.
I like Jon. I've always liked Jon. I think he's a likable person. A Saint? Hardly, although I think his forbearance in dealing with KKs abusive nastiness approaches Saintliness on occasion. Immature? Irresponsible? Exasperating? Definitely, in the past and maybe still somewhat today, but I think he's been working very hard to grow up and be the adult in those kids' lives. KK certainly isn't acting like the adult. Jon was barely out of his teens when KK got her claws into him. He was immature then, but so are many, many 20 year olds. KK took over and dominated him for nearly 12 years, and prevented him from being his own person. This was partly due to his somewhat passive, easygoing personality and partly to her forceful, domineering one. I don't think we'll ever see the person Jon could have been and probably would have been had KK not seen him at that picnic and decided that she had to possess him. That's been forever altered. For good, or for ill, only Jon can say. One thing is for certain, and that is that he has 8 kids who love him and there is ample proof of that on film and in pictures.
Working Woman
Very well said, readerlady.
The fans seem to think that just because Jon doesn't tweet incessantly about what his kids are doing or about how happy they are or how much they thanked him for everything he has done for them, that he is not a good parent. Ironically, that's what I feel makes him a good parent.
It's horribly presumptuous for anyone to claim that Jon does not want his kids in his life. They seemed pretty comfortable with Liz's doggie, leading me to believe that they are comfortable with Liz, leading me to believe that Jon has made his new life a comfortable place for them.
Oops , I forgot, it's dangerous to assume!
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The orthopedic MD offered to inject the knee if it gets bad again. So far the supplement and modifying activity works. MD also told me research showed about half people who tried the supplements reported improvement, so it doesn't work for everyone.
Hope your dh knees get better!
readerlady said... 66
Actually, I think Sameo is a regular poster here who is using another name. There was a huge tell in one of the posts.''
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I caught that ''tell'' also!
Kate originally said, "When anyone no longer wants to film, we will stop."
Jon clearly wanted his kids NOT to be filmed once the divorce came about, yet Kate got permission from the Court to continue to do so. (Kate- Filming will cease when anyone wants it to stop.") Clearly she never planned for this to happen, as once Jon said he wanted it to stop, it should have stopped.
Most on this board want the best for the kids, and felt the majority of the kids needed privacy after the split, with a few of the kids showing signs of wear and tear, never mind two expulsions for kindergarteners. How many more clues does a parent need to see that the kids needed a break from filming? And the Kate Plus 8 episodes clearly showed Kate for the unreasonable, self-absorbed, angry, selfish person that she is/was. There was NOTHING charming or appealing about her from this point forward. It was a lot of whining, complaining, anger, and frustration exhibited on film. So not sure how this makes her a supermom. Which she never was. She even turned on the film crew for "not helping her pack." And was outright mean to Mady about not being quick enough.
Some of the kids did not "film well"- Mady, Cara, Hannah in the RV trip, as they were not kind, and exhibited "Kate behavior" but were never corrected. Great parenting.
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to all from the frozen north! It's been c-c-c-cold here -28C or 18 below on the Farenheit scale and lots of snow. brrrrrr. So White "Christmassie" though! Santa parked his sleigh here after he finished dropping all the presents off, put the reindeer in the garage and we had a Rumspringa good time. The fun continues...
Hope everyone is enjoying the season, however you celebrate!
"There was another one here who has surfaced from time to time in the recent past who kept insisting that Jon doesn't care about the kids, is a horrible parent who doesn't want the kids in his life, we don't know him (but she/he does) and the truth will come out. An insider."
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A self-proclaimed insider, if I remember. It was suggested by many that he/she contact admin through e-mail to be verified, but I don't recall any of that happening. Until then, I'd take the comment that "Jon isn't what we all think him to be" with a grain of salt. Take it for what it's worth.
"Santa parked his sleigh here after he finished dropping all the presents off, put the reindeer in the garage and we had a Rumspringa good time."
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So will there be any Little Saint Nicks nine months from now?
An ex boyfriend and I had broken up about two months before I found out I was pregnant. He was horrified and didn't want anything to do with the baby. Oh well - I dealt with it, was at first frightened, then joyous to be pregnant and a mother-to-be. When our child was almost 5, the ex decided he did want to be part of his life. Sometimes I get upset with him, when I feel he isn't living up to being a good father. Yet - I have never said one derogatory thing about him in front of our child. Our child loves us both, and treasures the time spent with father.
To me, being a parent means you put your child's best interests first. Your own emotions, hurt feelings, or anger -- all that needs to be put aside so that your child(ren) do not need to suffer for it.
Kate has never been able to put those children first, and she never will. For Kate, it's always been and always will be "all about her." She is immature, heartless, casually cruel, thoughtless, selfish, mean-spirited, and toxic. Jon is so lucky to have escaped her clutches. Now if only he could get more than 50% custody.
Millicent I admire you. Keep up the great work. Your child will thank you.
Millicent, bless you. Hopefully, what you will see in the future is a well-balcanced child who will mature into a wonderful adult.
Kate is going to reap more troubles that she can count. Unfortunately, so will some of her innocent children.
The shrieks in her future will not always be gleeful ones.
Readerlady and Remona -- you are smart detectives. I went back and re-read and still couldn't find what you did.
Oh yeah parental alienators give interviews to national magazines all the time calling the other parent a great mom. Please.
In any case it's also irrelevant whether the other parent may be the worst alienator n the world. It has nothing to do with the fact that what Kate says about him is terrible and wrong and alienating.
Bitch tosses her ex under the bus on Xmas, no surprise there. She seems to conveniently forget who actually initiated that divorce. Horrible that she says anything bad at all about her childrens' father, at any time, period. And she certainly continues to infantilibutze what her 8 year olds say, which I actually doubt, on Twitter. And speaking of Twitter, how awesome that she can spend her holidays with the children twittering pretty much all damn day long.
But seriously, and maybe it's a gourmet custom I am not aware of, but who serves horseradish sauce with ham? This is from Emeril? Horseradish sauce and prime rib, raisin sauce and ham. Does Emeril have a ham crockpot recipe? I see she's twitting him about her gourmet meal. Fine, I should have better things to talk about, but still.
Millicent, I hope you will read this as a note of congratulations and not anything rude. It's hard to tell in the written word:
The way you have done this is the way it is
SUPPOSED to be done. You have risen above the
emotions and have looked into what really matters, and that is your child. As hard and as frustrating as it was, you did it exactly how it is SUPPOSED to be done. Way to go!
And another child is rescued from a very nasty
life trying to live between two warring parents.
Thank you, Millicent. Seriously.
Another topic - I also saw the "clue" in our poster. Oh yes I did. (but that's not it!)
Winter Wonderland said... 73
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So will there be any Little Saint Nicks nine months from now?
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Ho ho ho! Now that really WOULD be a Christmas miracle! lol.
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Millicent said... 74
Kate has never been able to put those children first, and she never will. For Kate, it's always been and always will be "all about her." She is immature, heartless, casually cruel, thoughtless, selfish, mean-spirited, and toxic. Jon is so lucky to have escaped her clutches. Now if only he could get more than 50% custody.
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If she can't find a good-paying job on tv for them soon, I think she'll gladly give Jon more custody time. In the end that means more ME time for her.
It is so sad and unfortunate that for as hard as they've worked to provide her with the fame SHE wanted, they still don't come first. They will always get second billing because Kate is the star attraction (in her mind).
Kate didn't mention church this year, did she? Maybe she's dropping the Christian mom persona?
Reader Lady - is that Water for Elephants the one where the guy took the elephants from a circus and the story of how he raised them? I read a story like that long ago but don't remember the name. Also you may know the answer to this question. Amazon gave me a free kindle when I ordered Robert Hoffman's book Kate Gosselin, How She Fooled the World. That computer later got a virus and had to be wiped clean. Do you think if I order another book they will let me have another free kindle for my computer. I was able to retrieve the book on a cloud something or other, although if it remained on my computer, I can't find it now.
Thanks in advance.
You detectives are making me go silly. More clues, please. This is a mystery to me.
Dmasy, to whom dost thou address thineself? To
Admin, or to Kiwi or to perhaps Hercules Poirot?
Nancy Drew is busy with her chums so she's no help. Oh well, whomever can help our dear Dmasy
it would be greatly appreciated, I'm sure.
Pity Party -- No, that's not the "Water For ELephants" story. WFE is about a young man who lands in a circus because that's his only option during the Depression. He meets a young woman there who's there for pretty much the same reason. The 2 of them form a bond with an elephant with behavior problems and the 3 of them learn to work together. It was a Reece Witherspoon movie a year or so ago and the book was a big best seller.
You can download the Kindle app for free any time on any compatible device, and you don't have to buy a book to do so. Just go to Amazon and find Kindle for PC and download. You SHOULD be able to retrieve the Hoffman book and re-download it from the cloud or from your order history, even though it's been pulled. You paid for it, so it's yours. Just go into your order history, pull up "download" and download to PC after you install the Kindle app.
Dmasy -- Reread the posts and think continual misuse of an indefinite pronoun.
I really give that tweeter a LOT of credit for backing off trying to defuse things saying hey look none of my business have a great day. Was that a sheeple? Well done. She was asking an innocent question and even a sheeple felt uncomfortable with Kate's completely inappropriate answer.
I really give that tweeter a LOT of credit for backing off trying to defuse things saying hey look none of my business have a great day.
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Agreed. Although it is only Kate, Jon and the kids' business when he sees them, the tweeter asked very respectfully and clearly wasn't trying to shit stir, as she backed off right away.
By the way, can I just say how dumb it is to say "assumptions are very dangerous"? In addition to being vile and disrespectful to Jon, it makes no sense. Everyone knows you don't assume unless you wanna make an ass out of u and me, yada yada, but who ever says it's "dangerous" to assume?
Why would it be? People assume all the time. And why would it be "dangerous" in this situation, for someone to understandably assume that children would love to see BOTH parents on a holiday?
I think it was just a misuse of an adjective. It may be "unproductive" to make assumptions, but "dangerous"? Huh? Kate, if you must parental alienate and be vicious snake, at least be intelligible while doing so.
You know what's more dangerous than assuming? Alienating your children from a loving parent who wants what's best for them. Planting negative things in children's minds about their father. Those things are dangerous.
I am not here to upset the apple cart. I know I cannot change your view of Kate. I do hope you keep an open mind in regards to Jon and note what is not being said about him. It is more than 'mistakes in the past'. I would say more but it is not my story to tell.
Thanks for not attacking me.
Sameo said... 91
I am not here to upset the apple cart.
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Well, you're here to try, but we aren't buying the nonsense of what you are trying to sell.
I would say more but it is not my story to tell.
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But, you take it upon yourself to do little "drive-by" innuendos....Again, the ultimate sign of a sheeple sighting.
Dmasy,
I agree with you. "Readerlady and Remona -- you are smart detectives. I went back and re-read and still couldn't find what you did. "
Auntie Ann, it is a balmy -18C here. It has been brutally cold for Christmas, eh?
NJGal -- GOT IT IN ONE!!
But, yet a judge granted Jon 50/50 custody, so whatever you think you know couldn't be too important...
Sameo, Santa didn't bring me a crystal ball for Christmas. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say!
It's just fruitless to come here and hint, imply, wink-wink, nudge-nudge when at the end of the day, it's jibberish word salad. Nothing more.
One day, when and if we find out what you imply you know, then we'll know. Until then, your efforts, though respectful thus far (and thank you for that) are wasted.
This isn't Watergate and there is no Deep Throat. This is a small town PA family who is not surrounded by Secret Service agents. They live in the public eye and simply don't have the money or importance to cover up something of the calibre that would be tantamount to Jon being in any way a danger or destructive force in his children's lives such that the children do not and should not want an ongoing relationship with him.
As Kate continues to imply, without an adult parent's restraint, at every available turn.
Finally, that innocuous tweetie comment could have been, should have been, ignored, for the sake of the kids.
readerlady said... 87
Dmasy -- Reread the posts and think continual misuse of an indefinite pronoun.
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Got it! ;)
I appreciate Sameo being respectful, I really do.
That said, the coy routine may not be very productive, for the future. If you feel there's something about Jon that is oh-so-awful and we are horribly wrong for calling Kate a parental alienator (which she has proven herself to be time and time again), your best bet is to either be upfront about it so you look more credible, or to simply not say anything at all.
It's like saying to your mom about your sister Sally, "Mom I caught Sally doing something today, she's not the angel you think she is ... but, well, that's all I can say for now. You'll find out eventaully." LOL, then why did you say anything?? Either tell Mom the whole truth about Sally so she knows you're not just trying to start trouble, or don't bring it up at all!
Same here, if you have to play coy like that and can't even give us a legitimate argument as to why Jon is an awful parental alienator, or why Kate is not, then your best bet is to not say anything. Otherwise, to be honest, it does look like you are trying to get people riled up. Although, again, I do respect that you did not attack anyone and were polite about it.
I would say more but it is not my story to tell.
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No, it isn't, so why even come here and do the little hinting around thing? If you have something to say, get verified (admin's e-mail address is not a secret) and say it. These are the kind of word games/teasing that Kate is so fond of. We have no idea what you are trying to imply.
Thanks, detectives. I got the clue. It is not your responsibility that I do not know to whom it should be applied.
Aren't we a literate bunch?!
Sameo, I agree with the other ladies. Thanks for being respectful.
We really do want facts here. Contact Admin and tell her and what/how you know.
She will decide what is appropriate to share with us.
Facts are always a great foundation to build upon.
And Sameo, Kate has said herself that things are more peaceful between her and Jon now. Am I supposed to believe that she would say that if he was a danger to her children, or if he was alienating them in any way?
She still gets her passive-aggressive digs in, of course, but things are probably outwardly more peaceful between them now than they were in 2009.
(But certainly not because of anything Kate needed to do differently - eyeroll)
Funny, Kate always tries to make it sound like the kids are practically glued to her. One of her defenders comes here and says that the kids are being alienated from Kate.
So was Sameo calling Kate a liar? For everything negative Kate has implied about Jon, she's never ONCE implied, even subtly, that he alienates the kids from her.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 77
Oh yeah parental alienators give interviews to national magazines all the time calling the other parent a great mom. Please.
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Previously you claimed that your mysterious inside source told you that Jon was misquoted and never said that. So which is it?
Bearswife said... 93
Dmasy,
I agree with you. "Readerlady and Remona -- you are smart detectives. I went back and re-read and still couldn't find what you did. "
Auntie Ann, it is a balmy -18C here. It has been brutally cold for Christmas, eh?
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You can say that again. Jack Frost is not nipping at our noses he is biting them off! I have been keeping warm by drinking copious amounts of my own potent concoction of Irish Cream rumspringa. Ergo, no driving to the mall for all those Boxing Day bargains.
Jon said Kate is a mom, but also said she is good with the kids and he calls her up if they are sick. But the sheeple refused to believe that so the question really is which is it for THEM? Do they believe me that Jon just said she's a mom and he parental alienators her? Because they sure got behind all the good stuff he's said about her, until just now when now he's suddenly an alienator.
Anonymous 103, respectfully, if you disagree with us so adamantly, why do you view this blog often enough to keep track of what Admin says each time regarding a particular situation?
Also, Sameo claims that eventaully we will find out who is really the one who can't get over the divorce, implying that Jon can't. Jon is in a relationship and doesn't (aside for a very rare occasion) speak about his ex at all. Kate has not had a date in a long long time and always answers questions about Jon, no matter how personal they are, and often takes them as opportunities to throw him under the bus.
Yep, Jon's really the one who can't get over it.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 105
Jon said Kate is a mom, but also said she is good with the kids and he calls her up if they are sick. But the sheeple refused to believe that so the question really is which is it for THEM? Do they believe me that Jon just said she's a mom and he parental alienators her? Because they sure got behind all the good stuff he's said about her, until just now when now he's suddenly an alienator.
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You're now saying that he didn't call Kate a great mom but used that exact line to defend him earlier. In other words, you change your story to fit your argument.
I don't think Jon is a parental alienator but you are not doing anything for your credibility when you use a line to defend him that you previously claimed he never stated. It reeks of stereotypical lawyer tactics.
I've always been "team Jon." I don't think he's perfect but he seems to be trying a lot harder.
After two days of fancy holiday food here tonight I'm stuffing hot dogs with cheese and rolling them in crescent rolls. Maybe I should write a cookbook? My husband is kind of excited to eat "kid food" as he calls it.
I have no idea whether Jon said that or not. particular sentence or not But, he has spoken highly of her as a mother and did so recently by saying that she is good with them and that he calls her when he has questions.
I don't remember anyone claiming that Jon never said that. It was a quote, some people here didn't even like that he said it. They felt that it was enabling Kate, who has trashed him countless times.
Oh goodness! Apologies. My post early this morn...around midnight EST was a bit garbled. No excuse but tired :). Well, maybe turducken. Not ambien :)
We are level 2 snow emergency. DD and family still in Indy. They will try tomorrow, weather permitting.
Hope all the blizzard ladies are safe and warm
Thinking of everyone who is experiencing heavy snow or a blizzard! Stay warm and cozy
Ergo, no driving to the mall for all those Boxing Day bargains.
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Boxing Day is typically observed in Canada, is that correct? I remember when someone set up a fake Cara Formspring account and goofed, making a reference to Boxing Day (sales after Christmas). I think that was the give-away that the person who did this was a young fan from Canada. In addition, that person also didn't bother to check when school began, when the holiday breaks were celebrated, among other things.
The account was deleted shortly after alerts were put up regarding the authenticity of that account.
I wonder if Cara's parents knew the identity of the person who did that, or whatever came of that fake identity account.
Anonymous that's not what I said. I said if the sheeple believe as they always have all the nice things Jon allegedly has said about Kate they can't suddenly claim he's an alienator. You can't have it both ways.
To be fair, anonymous did say that she doesn't feel that Jon is a parental alienator.
Although it begs the question anon, why are you arguing then? If you find an incosistency with what the admin says, you can bring it up respectfully without insulting the lawyer profession ("it reeks of stereotypical lawyer tactics"). That's getting too personal and is uncalled for.
Berks resident said... 10
"What type of injections does your husband receive?
Hugs to your husband, I truly get it :( "
It's some kind of fluid? Not sure what exactly, but it helps the pain alot for the first couple months. Our insurance will only pay every 3 months & he is also on Celebrex. He thinks the pain that he has been having the last week or so might have something to do with the weather. He has trouble getting to sleep because of the pain. He works near Harrisburg (2nd shift) & takes tylenol after he leaves work so that it kicks in by the time he gets home.
AussieGoldenLuv said... 37
"Lancaster Mom (and anyone else with human or pet joint pain) I HIGHLY recommend the supplement Lubrisyn. It worked miracles on my old dog (who acted young!) and my ex said it also helped him with his bone-on-bone knee pain. Not cheap, but worth it IMO."
Thanks! I'm going to check into this. There is a store that sells it near Hershey, so maybe we can get it there. :)
Lancaster, best of luck to you! :-)
Kokomo, Cocktails And Dreams said... 112
Boxing Day is typically observed in Canada, is that correct? I remember when someone set up a fake Cara Formspring account and goofed, making a reference to Boxing Day (sales after Christmas). I think that was the give-away that the person who did this was a young fan from Canada.
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Yes, I think it was established that it was Paige. I also think Kate knows very well that it was her, but chose to ignore that fact because Paige is one of her top two diehard fans. They come before her own kids as far as I can tell.
Boxing Day is observed in Canada and the UK. Traditionally it was the day lunches were boxed up the day after Christmas and given out to the less fortunate.
Now it is more or less similar to the US Black Friday sales. A day of freaking chaotic shopping for slashed prices. No thanks!
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SeeSaw said... 108
After two days of fancy holiday food here tonight I'm stuffing hot dogs with cheese and rolling them in crescent rolls. Maybe I should write a cookbook? My husband is kind of excited to eat "kid food" as he calls it.
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We've been watching Anthony Bourdain all day. He showed some New York hot dogs with all the trimmings. I just brought some Schneiders red hots out of the freezer for supper. We too are overwhelmed with holiday food right now.
There are seven seasons of Jon and Kate Plus8/Kate plus 8 that clearly show which parent is the parental alienator and it isn't Jon. There are dozens of quotes and statements uttered by Kate that prove she is determined to sabatoge the kid's relationship with their dad. Why is there even a question about it?
If Jon Gosselin has done something recently to harm or alienate his children in any way, I would like to know what it is.
If, however, this problem with Jon stretches back to 2-3 years ago, I think that ship has sailed and returned to harbor with no more cargo. Done.
My problems with Kate stretch back year and years, but they continue on an on and on, so they are both history AND current events. Newer faux pas bring back memories of when she
did her outrageous missteps before 2012.
Happy Boxing Day, peeps :o)
Auntie Ann...117: Yes, I think it was established that it was Paige. I also think Kate knows very well that it was her, but chose to ignore that fact because Paige is one of her top two diehard fans. They come before her own kids as far as I can tell.
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I remember when that was going down! The person who set up the fake account and claimed to be Cara really let it slip when she (as Cara) said that they might be going to Cuba. Everyone wondered...why would Kate and the kids be going to Cuba? Right after that, Paige (as Paige) announced that her parents were in Cuba. Dumb!
I was trying to change my avatar and removed my comment! WTH is going on with my iPad lately? I have to go to my iPhone or a "real" computer to change the avatar.
I'm making hash from the roast we had yesterday. I'm sure that my husband will squeal with delight and rate it a 10!
I am not a dog expert, but do dogs muzzels get darker with age, cause if not that newest picture is not the original Gosselin dog
JoyinVirginia, I sympathize with you & Pjs momma. My Jack Russell/Beagle also experiences seizures.
I hope your fur baby's seizures happen few and far between.
Love,
Pink
pamelajo said... 122
I am not a dog expert, but do dogs muzzels get darker with age, cause if not that newest picture is not the original Gosselin dog _________________________
Thank you Pamelajo...I said exactly the same thing much earlier today.
Muzzles do not grow...the muzzle on that dog is so much wider in girth than Shoka's was and much darker--and all one has to do to see the difference is to compare the picture of Shoka from the "Shoka Diaries" on Kate's blog from about a year ago--not the same dog.
Now watch the pic from Kate's blog disappear.
Here's of a photo of Shoak-(I assume)when she brought him back.
http://www.infdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/grea.jpg
And here's a suppoed recent photo of Shoak today.
http://img.ly/reCI
Blowing In The Wind (and snow right now!) said... 99
I would say more but it is not my story to tell.
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No, it isn't, so why even come here and do the little hinting around thing? If you have something to say, get verified (admin's e-mail address is not a secret) and say it. These are the kind of word games/teasing that Kate is so fond of. We have no idea what you are trying to imply.
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I'm a huge "Ellen" fan...does anyone remember when Kate was on her show years ago and Ellen said to her, "Who are you talking about? You're talking in code again?" (That may not be verbatim but it's close...the "code" part is verbatim.) And she never had her back again.
Here are more photo's of Shoka on INF daily.
http://www.infdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/grea.jpg
I have to say that Shoka is on beautiful dog.
Do you think the picture from the blog will dissappear or the one from her photo album...either way I printed each of them, What a B&^%h.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 113
Anonymous that's not what I said. I said if the sheeple believe as they always have all the nice things Jon allegedly has said about Kate they can't suddenly claim he's an alienator. You can't have it both ways.
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That is not what you originally said. You said, "Oh yeah parental alienators give interviews to national magazines all the time calling the other parent a great mom. Please." When called out for your inconsistency, you turned it around on "the sheeple." It's called deflection.
Anonymous, you won't make many friends by attacking Admin.
We kinda' like her.
Dmasy said... 130
Anonymous, you won't make many friends by attacking Admin.
We kinda' like her.
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That's okay, I'm not interested in being "friends" with you.
Anonymous #129 is obviously not Kate--the poster knows how to use quotes properly...so very few people do, and Kate certainly does not.
Although not Kate, the poster is obviously on Kate's "hired PR team."
That's okay, I'm not interested in being "friends" with you
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Then why are you here on this board so much, twisting and dissecting Admin's every word. #obsessedsheeple.
What a ridiculous argument! You said this, you said this, you said this! What does it matter,
Anonymous? Wow, I'm just perplexed at the point of that.
It's a good thing you don't care to be friends, because if you were looking for that you might
be disappointed.
Working Woman said... 106
Anonymous 103, respectfully, if you disagree with us so adamantly, why do you view this blog often enough to keep track of what Admin says each time regarding a particular situation?
Also, Sameo claims that eventaully we will find out who is really the one who can't get over the divorce, implying that Jon can't. Jon is in a relationship and doesn't (aside for a very rare occasion) speak about his ex at all. Kate has not had a date in a long long time and always answers questions about Jon, no matter how personal they are, and often takes them as opportunities to throw him under the bus.
Yep, Jon's really the one who can't get over it.
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I agree, and I'll echo what's been said before-
a person who is having issues with getting over an ex, does not date others, or continues to talk about him or her. Jon has not said peep about that woman in a long time, and he's seeing other women. He's moved on.
Kate has historically been the alienator in the family. She "banishes" anyone that disagrees with her- family & friends (work with me, or against me). Whatever. That's her nasty, ugly personality.
But I don't think she realises how poorly she looks when she publically continues to throw her ex-husband under a big mack truck- a bunch of years after their divorce. She looks even WORSE when she hints that she wants to do another show with their kids.
Seems to me that they both stink as parents, for selling their kids as entertainment. BUT at least Jon has backed off, and is allowing his kids their privacy & freedom to grow up peacefully away from cameras.
Kate's supporters, and Jon's haterz can say all they want about his past, but it looks like he as learned his lesson.
Kate, not so much.
This is a face of an admin who doesn't care that anonymous thinks whatever she is babbling about. Still enjoying my beautiful white Christmas and wishing the same for you all.
JudyK said... 132
Although not Kate, the poster is obviously on Kate's "hired PR team."
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That narrows it down to about two people. Three, if we want to be generous. Kate's PR team is pretty sparse these days.
I had a difficult relationship (business only)
with a boss once. I thought less and less of him the longer we worked together. He tried to get me fired, but the Board wouldn't hear of it.
In fact, they gave me an 8% raise one year while he got a 1.5% cost of living raise. Oh my, to say he was mad would be an understatement, and he began in earnest to show the board how much I didn't deserve it.
I still hang on to the anger and the hurt. While I have moved on to a wonderful job I still remember his atrocious behavior toward me and anybody else he didn't like. To hear me tell it, he was on a par with a monster.
Funny, I don't think my memories are perfectly accurate. I think that over time I have made them worse than they really were. The raise and the trying to get me fired are real memories, but all the rest of it could be amped up in my mind. I admit it freely.
Point? Kate may be remembering Jon in a worse light than was "real" during their actual time together. Time can sometimes amp things up to the point where small infractions get magnified into major affronts. It seems she has forgotten how she raved and raved about what a great daddy he was and how much help he was to her in the first pages of her journal that Robert found. That gibes with what we saw on TV. The bad dad never showed up on my screen, but Kate's memory seems to focus on memories of Jon the lazy boy who was essentially worthless.
The only other men is Kate life besides Jon are men that work for her.
Lawn mower boys.
Repairmen.
Steve-(if he's still around).
Maybe dad's at the kids school.
And I bet all these men know who she is and how she is enough said.
Oh I for got Mr. Blow up doll boyfriend.
OT: Former President George H.W. Bush is in Intensive Care. I'm a Democrat, but I LOVE that man.
This is a face of an admin who doesn't care that anonymous thinks whatever she is babbling about. Still enjoying my beautiful white Christmas and wishing the same for you all.
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I have no idea either what the babbling is all about. I wonder if anon herself really knows.
A White Christmas is very special...I'm glad you are enjoying it. We were blessed with a White After Christmas Day today. No advisories were issued for our part of the state, but I never trust the local weather guys. It came down. Really came down hard with multiple accidents in the county, and PennDot admitting that it has not pre-treated the roads. Right now it is sleeting and roads were a mess all day. This is a perfect night for sipping the hot spiked cider by the fireplace. Looking forward (well, not really) to another snow on Saturday.
Safe trip home, admin!
Working Woman
Anonymous, admin said that she was referring to when Jon said that Kate is good with the kids. That is essentially saying she is a good parent, whether he said the exact quote or not. Not parental alienating.
Please bring up a concern you have respectfully or not at all. Talking about "stereotypical lawyer tactics" and insulting the person you disagree with may not be the best way to get a point across.
Fine if you don't wish to be "friends" or make nice with us, but then may I ask why you are here?
Is it that you love Kate? Loathe Jon? Both? Neither? Whatever it is, I am sure that, you are welcome here as long as you are respectful.
Lots to catch up on. So more can partcipate in the kate slapathon, anyone remember Soul Train? Maybe Kate can 'dance' down the center and one of us can toss drawer knobs at her, one tap her with a red spoon, one can happy her up, maybe throw hair extensions at her feet. ME-OW.
Joy, Doctor Who - WOOOOO!!! Marathon on BBCA New Year's Eve.
I think CJWhodunnit has been posting. She's been in a lot of trouble lately and I think she's bored. This blog is relatively new territory for her so she's coming here to stir the pot. I'm choosing to ignore. She's not right in the head and LOVES to argue. Please just scroll by anything from Anonymous or the other sheeple who post here.
I'm going to have to disagree about the dog not being the same dog. In my opinion (and I have bred show dogs), it is the same dog. In the photo when Kate got the dog back, it is a straight shot, and therefore, the muzzle looks wider. In the Christmas photo, the dog is looking off to the side, and thus, the muzzle looks more narrow because you
are not seeing the entire muzzle. Dogs' muzzles can get darker as they age, or they can get lighter. I've seen it happen many, many times.
If you look at the color pattern on the dog's back in both pictures, they are identical and are outlined by a beige vertical stripe where it meets his chest, just above his legs. The lighter band on the front of the dog is the same in both photos. The chest hair patterns, as well as the darker star on the dog's head, is the same in both photos. It would be very unusual to find two different dogs with exactly the same pattern.
If I were a betting person, I'd put my money on it. It's the same dog.
Working Woman
Jo, you're so right. The Kate fans who are respectful and ask fair questions in a tactful, non insulting way, they deserve responses. The ones who pick fights and throw out insults and make rude comments like how they don't wish to be "friends", it's not even worth the attention.
One last comment on this one and then I'm done: I can't believe anon called admin out "deflecting"! Deflecting is what the sheeple do for a living! No one deflects like they do. Pot, here's kettle :)
Admin glad you had a nice Christmas! Hope everyone else did and a good day today
Admin, just because Jon does not say it in public it doesn't get said, in your view? I read here occasionally to see what is being said about Kate. It is frustrating to read things that I know are wrong and not respond.
My intent is not to leave teasing remarks. I cannot say more about any of this at this time. I do hope for Kate's and the kids sake the truth is known at some point.
Yes, I do support Kate. I don't agree with some of her decisions but they are her decisions. Some of you will label me a 'sheeple'. That is your decision. I will not judge you for it.
Thanks for the advice Jo.
Carolina Peach, a Doctor Who marathon! Woo Hoo! I hope it doesn't conflict with the Walking Dead marathon dd wants to watch, I think that is New Years Day.
Working Woman
Sameo, thanks for being respectful.
So, if there's a truth about Kate that means that we misjudged her and are too generous with Jon, does that mean that everything in her show was a lie? Because we know what we saw for years in her reality show and, to be honest, it wasn't all that flattering.
Sameo, if you do have inside info then why don't you say who you are and how you know your info? I want to know the truth. I am not a Jon apologist myself. I think he's far better than Kate but have no way of knowing how he is right now. I know Kate is still throwing HIM under the bus though.
@sameo/anonymous...you sound like that kid who claims that he/she has a "secret" in order to make themselves the center of attention.
If there were anything questionable in Jon's behavior, he never would have been awarded 50/50 custody.
Also, I would not conider "Kate told me" as proof of what Jon says or does. Do you have firsthand observation of Jon's alleged misbehavior or whatever?
readerlady said... 66
Actually, I think Sameo is a regular poster here who is using another name. There was a huge tell in one of the posts.
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Speaking for myself, a somewhat regular poster, I felt very uncomfortable reading this. Lots of people make lots of grammar errors, especially sheeple. The particular error you specify is quite common.
Eyeing each other with suspicion and getting us to turn on each other, that's what the sheeple want. They have nothing else.
I simply don't think any friends of ours would do this. I respectfully ask that if you have any further suspicions or conspiracy therories concerning imagined "rouge" regulars, please keep them under your hat. I don't see any constructive use or benefit in making your observations public.
I said it be four if Kate wants other to know the so called truth about her.
She's a big girl let her defend herself.
Problem is she lied so much in the past.
I don't think people are going to believe anything she says.
Also, I'm sorry to say this, but there is something to be said for the fact that Kate has several estranged family members, has has several twitter wars, and has lost friends that we know of (Beth). Most of the close people in her life seem to be people who are paid (Deanna, her hair guy, Steve, etc). At least, those are the ones she tweets and talks about.
If its one or two people who have issues with you, fine, it happens. But when it's that many, it starts to reflect negatively on the person.
Sameo, are you saying that ALL of those people have been wrong about Kate and Kate was the victim in all of those situations?
She must be one unlucky girl, if that's the case.
I'm still laughing at Kan Do Kate not being able to put batteries in the furbies. Last year the girls got fijits that come with the batteries already installed. I bet if she would have known that she couldn't put batteries in a furby she just would have bought more fijits, dressed them in little furry outfits and told them that they were furbies!
Working Woman said... 155
Was Kate invited to Jamie's wedding you know her BFF of ten plus years?
If not that say's a hole lot.
to whom it may concern said... 153
''Speaking for myself, a somewhat regular poster, I felt very uncomfortable reading this. Lots of people make lots of grammar errors, especially sheeple. The particular error you specify is quite common.
Eyeing each other with suspicion and getting us to turn on each other, that's what the sheeple want. They have nothing else.
I simply don't think any friends of ours would do this. I respectfully ask that if you have any further suspicions or conspiracy therories concerning imagined "rouge" regulars, please keep them under your hat. I don't see any constructive use or benefit in making your observations public''
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I have no problem at all with readerlady pointing out the ''tell'', or to say that it was a regular poster using another name. Anyone that recognized the ''tell'', not to even mention the content of the post, knows exactly who was being 'busted'. If you can't own what you say, you get called out. I see nothing constructive about your observations.
Kate has a pattern of lying, saying bad things about Jon, using firends/families then tossing them to the curb. If Sameo has information that refutes this pattern, then produce the evidence.
Sameo, what do we say about Kate that is so wrong, that you wish you could protest?
Was it when we talk about how she behaved on the trip with Sarah Palin? Was she really an agreeable sweetheart the whole time, and maybe we were all hallucinating during that episode?
Maybe we were all also hallucinating during the RV episode, when she spoke down to everyone and didn't enjoy herself for one second, not while white water rafting, not while in the RV, not even while packing for it (screaming at poor Mady to hurry up and to "get a little fire under her but" when the girl was kindly helping).
Did we misjudge her treatment of Brad in New Zealand at the Sky Tower? Even she admits she was rude to him, she said so in the interview of that episode.
What about all of the family members and friends who have moved on? It's all on them?
How about how condescending she was to Tony on DWTS? "Are we swimming or dancing?" Yep, we've misjudged her alright.
Is it really perfectly fine how she pimped them out on TLC for years and years, and still would be if her show wasn't canceled? It's appropriate that she was actually selling photos of her kids for money four years ago? It's okay that she revealed personal information about her children in a book called I Just Want you to Know for money, when she could have just TOLD her kids that same thing in private?
Seriously, what do we say about her that's so wrong? What do you wish you could defend?
We only say things that we know based on everything that she has chosen to put out there for the public, no one's fault but her own.
I have a few questions for Sameo and I will try to be as respectful as I can.
Do you believe Kate wrote the journals that RH published? Do you believe Kate abused her toddlers for potty accidents or do you believe that was all lies?
Kate filed for divorce and keeps alluding, as do you, that Jon is a horrible person and bad for the kids. Why hasn't a judge also determined this and limited his contact with the kids? Why aren't his visits supervised?
The judge has always been on Kate's side so I'm not sure why Jon, as awful as he is, is still allowed to see his children.
Thank you.
JudyK said... 140
OT: Former President George H.W. Bush is in Intensive Care. I'm a Democrat, but I LOVE that man
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OMG I almost just posted the SAME thing. I am a democrat too and I hope he's ok. He seemed more like an old school more moderate Republican than those we have nowadays, and like a nice guy. Of course I feel for Barbara too.
oh, and what Skeptical said .....
Admin, just because Jon does not say it in public it doesn't get said, in your view?
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This makes no sense. I have no idea what Jon said as he makes so little public so how can I criticize things said in the cloud? I haven't the foggiest. If Kate never alienated Jon publically I'd be happily in the dark unable to criticize such things thinking the kids had a wonderfully supportive and healthy environment with their dad. Some days I really wish that's what I thought.
JoyinVirginia said... 68
"Lancaster Mom, my joint pain cause is ”ragged cartilage” on my kneecaps according to ortho MD after I had a knee MRI few years back. I take glucosamine and chondroitin tablets when it flares up, they help a lot."
Joy, I think he has tried both those, but I will ask to be sure. He damaged his meniscus & the doctor operated on it a few years ago to "smooth it out" which was supposed to help & disappointingly did nothing. He is on his feet alot at his job which can't be helped. I just feel so bad for him.
My kids got me a Nexus 7 for Christmas!!! :)
I just downloaded the Kindle app to it & I am checking out the free kindle book sites that have been posted. Thanks to all for the book suggestions!
My intent is not to leave teasing remarks. I cannot say more about any of this at this time.
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What IS your intent, then, because that is exactly what you are doing, and it appears that you know it's what you are doing. If you cannot say more about any of this at this time, then DON'T tease...wait until the "truth" comes out, if it's from you (will you know the right time to reveal it?) or from someone else. Otherwise, there is no point to any of what you have to say or don't say.
Working Woman said... 109
I have no idea whether Jon said that or not. particular sentence or not But, he has spoken highly of her as a mother and did so recently by saying that she is good with them and that he calls her when he has questions.
I don't remember anyone claiming that Jon never said that. It was a quote, some people here didn't even like that he said it. They felt that it was enabling Kate, who has trashed him countless times.
December 26, 2012 2:46 PM
It was disputed by Admin and her source who claim Jon's quote was "Kate's a mom." Admin also said that Kate had been beaten as a child.
My humble opinion is that Sameo's claim of insider knowlege and insistance that Jon is terrible are strictly to stir things up here and get us riled up. Many posters are asking fair, tactful legitimate questions and bringing up several points, yet Sameo and anonymous (who knows, they could be the same person) are responding to like one out of every ten of them, and speaking in very a general, teasing way ("I can't say any more, I will come out eventually, etc etc).
Sounds like shit stirring to be honest.
Nicknack, admin puts a lot of time in this blog, and I trust that she would only reveal to us what was confirmed by a source.
Maybe she just forgot, since she doesn't hang on to every word that is said at this blog by herself or anyone else. It was likely an honest mistake, so I don't see why anon had to jump down her throat instead of saying something respectful like, "I'm sorry but I'm a little confused. I thought I remember you saying that your source debunked the quote, so why did you use it as an argument?"
Tact and respect come a long way at this blog, but once you fail to give it, you may not find yourself on the receiving end of it.
Sameo won't respond, nor will any other sheeple, to the well thought out questions posed here re Jon. They run when called on to explain how they supposedly know what they know. They'll try and deflect. They'll toss out tidbits that mean little. These shit stirrers can't be taken seriously - with fan blogs closing and Kate's Twitter feed comprised of Milo and a few other crazies, and no Radar/rag stories to comment on, where can they go? Even Kate's paid friend Deanna doesn't tweet her these days.
Dmasy said... 100
Thanks, detectives. I got the clue. It is not your responsibility that I do not know to whom it should be applied.
Aren't we a literate bunch?!
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I got the clue too,Dmasy, but I do not know to whom it should be applied either.
I love mysteries. Off to investigate.........
Penny, Yes, I believe Kate wrote those journals. I believe that Kate was overwhelmed. I think her writing in the journals was a coping mechanism for her. Kate, as we all knows, exaggerates from time to time. I have a question for you, do you think that the abuse was exaggerated by Kate herself. Do you think it was the guilt speaking? As for RH's other 'facts' the abortion etc. I do not believe for a minute. I read his so called book if you could call it that. To me he came across as stalkerish and obsessed with Kate. When he writes of watching her without Kate knowing and wonders what is going through her mind is not healthy.
I believe Jon loves his kids but not enough to not use them for his own gains. I believe he uses them to torment Kate. Some of you believe that Jon has 50/50 custody. He does not.
The judge is not on Kate's side he is on the kids side. They love their dad and as they get older they will still love him but will be able to see what he is. They may be starting to do that now. Jon is a manipulator and a good one.
Remember you asked what I thought and I answered.
Maybe our new don't-want-to-be-friends are writing a book about how awful Jon is. Oops, I think maybe Al Walentis already did that, didn't he? Too late!
Sorry detectives you haven't a clue as to who I am. LOL Not one of your regulars.
Working Woman said... 116
"Lancaster, best of luck to you! :-) "
Thank you, WW!
Sameo, we don't all agree that he has 50/50 custody. I don't personally believe he does, I think he may have a couple of them more than he used to. Honestly, I don't feel that it matters, as long as they get to see him.
I can't speak to whether or not Jon uses his kids for his own games, I can't argue that because he, unlike Kate, is pretty private about everything. But you can't deny that Kate uses the kids horribly and has done so for use, for fame, for money, for exposure, for attention, as an excuse to throw Jon under the bus, etc.
So, you feel that Jon is a manipulator. Fair enough, it's your opinion. Even though I am curious as to how you know him well enough to say that, it's pretty easy for any of us to claim that we "know" this or that, or that we have the inside scoop.
But, anyway, so Jon is a manipulator, you say. I always liked Jon fine from what I saw, but I do not know him and probably never will.
The question, what is Kate, according to you? A good, kind woman? A great mom? What?
Years, not "use" LOL
For the life of me I cannot think of any drawbacks to Kate simply saying those are not my journals. None. Unless of course there ARE her journals in which case she would be calling the author a liar, which is libel.
Parent in Lancaster County said: "Really came down hard with multiple accidents in the county, and PennDot admitting that it has not pre-treated the roads. Right now it is sleeting and roads were a mess all day. This is a perfect night for sipping the hot spiked cider by the fireplace. Looking forward (well, not really) to another snow on Saturday."
More on Saturday?? Oh dear.
I had to go to Strasburg around noon, the roads had been taken care of & the driving was fine. The closer I got to Lancaster...NOTHING done. I had to inch down hills the last mile to home because it was so slippery. :/
I'm hoping dh will be able to get home safely since it is above freezing as of now.
"I believe Jon loves his kids but not enough to not use them for his own gains."
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Now I'm really confused. Jon ended the show. If he wanted to use the kids for his own gains, wouldn't he have kept the show going as long as he could have, and kept the farce of a marriage going just for the sake of fame and financial gains?
Sameo, I know it's hard to keep track of all the parts, but I would really like to know how you see Kate, because I do appreciate that even with your differing opinion, you have not been rude or insulting to anyone. Therefore, aside from the teasing, I do appreciate what you have to saw. Do you feel that she behaves kindly?
I have to say, you keep saying we don't know Jon, we don't know the stuff he pulls, etc. The truth is, unless you are Kate, which you certainly could be, or Kate's judge, you don't know for sure either. If you are a close friend or family member of Kate's, she can tell you anything she wants to make Jon look bad, and you wouldn't know the difference.
So, respectfully, you may not know the whole story either.
Susie Cincinnati said... 181
"I believe Jon loves his kids but not enough to not use them for his own gains."
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Now I'm really confused. Jon ended the show. If he wanted to use the kids for his own gains, wouldn't he have kept the show going as long as he could have, and kept the farce of a marriage going just for the sake of fame and financial gains?
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There you go, Susie Cincinnati...using logic and critical thinking, in order to make your point! That simply won't work when someone is bad-mouthing Jon!!
***posts, not parts. LOL I type too quicky, I admit it. I apologize
for Sameo to try to argue the fact that Kate uses those poor kids for her own gains every waking minute of her life. Sameo, if you are going to defend Kate over Jon, that's fine, but do in a way where you don't call Jon out for doing someething that your Kate is notorious for doing.
She is a child exploiter, plain and simple. Why do you think she has to remind everyone constantly that she has 8 kids? Because that's the only reason she ever became "famous" and she knows it.
Sameo,
I'm sorry but what kind of mother writes about beating her little children?
Lots of parents get overwhelmed and they don't supposed beat their kids.
Kate use her kids for her own gain.
And if you say she doesn't. Then why hasn't she went out on her own without using them in some way?
Supposedly.
Chefsummer,
Oy you know the answer to that! She did go out on her own! Dancing With the Stars, remember?
Oh, wait, nope, that's not it. She still had to mention her kids several times, reminded everyone after a sucky dance that she had saw her "eight little friends," implying that that is why she didn't have enough time to practice enough to do well. Silly me.
Looks like you're right! :-)
Working Woman, I believe that Kate is no different than any other woman who tries to do the best she can for her kids.
Kate has made mistakes in both deed and word but who among us cannot say I wish I would have been kinder or greater at any given moment? Kate is not perfect but neither am I.
It looks to me like the pic of Shoka was taken the same day as the one with the towel over it's head -- either that or they posed him exactly in the same place for each pic. (Check the shutter position/air vent, the rugs, and his placement in front of the window.) The only difference is the towel is missing and the photographer looks like they took a few steps back to take the pic she posted yesterday.
Sameo
Once Kate Gosselin stop using her kids and start taking responsibility for her actions.
And stop blaming others and hiding behind twitter fans.
I will cut her some slack and give her due credit.
Thanks for responding Sameo, I appreciate it.
The thing is, she is different than most women. Most women have not resorted to selling their children's privacies to do what's best for them. Most women have not filmed their kids sick and vomiting for the world to see. Most women have not alienated several family members and friends. So, I appreciate your response, but that is the fundamental difference between your opinion and the opinion that seems present at this blog for the most part.
We feel Kate has exploited her kids and used them for her gain, the same thing you are accusing Jon of.
Please keep in mind, you may not know the whole story either, again unless you are Kate herself or the judge.
And I am not perfect, no one here is and no one expects Kate to be. But I would never treat people like I have seen her treat people.
If I remember correctly Jon broke his contract with TLC and wanted to leave because he wanted to be "Jon" and not "Jon and Kate Plus 8". Jon and Michael Lohan were going to create a show called, I believe, The Divorced Dads Club.
Kate said that she would never do a dating show and now she wide open to do one.
Sameo you are focusing an awful lot on Jon and deflecting on that instead of focusing on Kate, and on how KATE has exploited the kids and KATE can't seem to keep a relationship going (she even admitted that twice, on Dancing With the Stars to Tony - "A lot of people give up on me", and in the RV episode), how KATE has used them for her own gain, how KATE throws Jon under the bus.
We get that you don't care for Jon and feel that Kate does her best. That's all well and good. But then why does 99 percent of the population who knows her, not think highly of her, per her own admisssion? Do you also feel we are all jealous?
Jon may have broke his contract w/TLC but at least he didn't get fired.
-(Sorry I went there)-
That stuff about information about Jon coming out in the future is just all BS.
sameo is spending so much time on Jon in an attempt to turn the conversation away from Kate and her insanity. Now, THAT's real deflection.
Kate just trying to do the best for her kids? Oh, wow...just wow...those children are far down Kate's list of priorities. That we can deduce from her own actions and tweets.
I don't know about you, Sameo, but I never smacked a kid around for having problems with toilet training.
I never worried that my kid had to be away from my presence because they would be safer.
I never smacked my husband and said it was a love tap.
I never called up my s-i-l and bitched her out in front of a TV audience, or threatened to take away my kid's favorite stuffed animal.
I've never thought that the way I behaved was an excuse in itself and that others had to adjust.
I don't believe that Kate is perfect and I don't believe she's evil. But I haven't seen her demonstrate much maturity, self-reflection and ability to change when she's interviewed on TV or in an article.
If you have a closer, firsthand view into a better person than she shows to the world, she needs you and others to help us see that woman.
Otherwise, she continues to show the face of a shallow, materialistic, self-involved, immature, needy shell of a whole person. And that person will not ever win hearts and minds, or succeed at the things she states she wants in life. And please remember, the incidents I'm referencing are from the "realest reality show" and from her own journals.
Kate has made mistakes in both deed and word but who among us cannot say I wish I would have been kinder or greater at any given moment? Kate is not perfect but neither am I.
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Ah, but when one makes mistakes, he should learn from those mistakes. Kate doesn't. She just keeps making them over and over again. It's kind of like Groundhog Day. Mistakes are the bridge between inexperience and wisdom, but she keeps burning new bridges along the way. Kate is still at the level of inexperience. She hasn't reached that "wisdom" stage yet, and perhaps never will.
Sameo, I think one of the reasons that Jon did not fight Kate for more money is that he did think there were still pots of it out there to be made "easily". I think he may have believed there was another entertainment future for himself.
He landed hard in a different kind of reality. He seemed to settle down and go to work in a conventional field. I believe at one time he claimed to be working two "regular" jobs.
Jon probably isn't a very astute money manager. He seems to be swimming upsteam financially most of the time.
Kate still hasn't given up on the unreasonable goal of being a star. She is using the 8 and money earned by the 8 to tide her over until her next big, shining moment.
What if it never comes? Can she fade into obscurity as Jon seems to have done?
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