Lifetime is airing a New Year's Dance Moms marathon all day today, followed by the premiere of Season Three at 9 p.m. EST. Seasons One and Two can be found on Amazon, Netflix, and for a limited time all for free on Lifetime streaming (sweet!).
Dance Moms has been sashaying around for awhile now, but Season Three, which begins tonight, marks the first season that Lifetime's production, based largely in Pennsylvania (although the girls participate in a lot of out of state competitions), will have to comply with Rep. Murt's new child labor laws passed last year. After a brief waiting period, the law will take effect this month, and requires a set teacher on set and limits the hours the girls can work. Previously, one of the moms reported the show films for 70 hours a week.
Will we notice any changes, or will Lifetime still be able to churn out a great guilty pleasure even with safety protections in place? We're hoping the latter. Here's hoping this show can prove that schmalzy, addicting reality T.V. can still be accomplished without exploiting the living crap out of the children participating.
To check out previous posts we have done on the Dance Moms, click on the link "organizational-ish" Dance Moms link below.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1230 Newer› Newest»Dwindle said... 163
I refuse to watch any reality shows with kids on them. But I might go take a peek at Liz and Dick now. hehe
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Dwindle - It could easily be confused with a SNL parody, if it had any humor. Oh, it is baaaad.
Something interesting (I can't quit you!), I was going through my running magazines and Competitor lists running events through the year. Lisbon's Rock-n-Roll event was September 30, 2012. Kate was fired a few days after that. Remember a while back, she declared on twitter that she got 'very close' to going to Portugal? Hmmmmm......... I can't help but wonder if her thinking she was going to be sent to Europe to simply run was part of the 'series of events' that led to her termination. All speculation of course, and I don't really care, but the dates sort of line up.
"I love the man who can smile in trouble, gather strength from distress and grow brave by reflection." - Thomas Paine
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin 11:47 AM - 2 Jan 13 ·
Gee Kate, are you trying to get back together with Jon? That quote described him quite well.
Amy2 said... 185
One of the threads is a sheeple is saying why do we go after Kate and not the Dance Moms, they are both exploiting their children.
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Amy2, I sincerely hope you're not calling me a sheeple. I've been on this blog a long time. No one is allowed a different opinion? Everyone has to agree on everything? That's being a sheeple so maybe you're one.
Jo,
I am not a sheeple. I know that I have done my part to bring awareness to exploiting children.
And, no, we do not have to agree on everything or anything. That's was give and take is all about. And I welcome all points of view.
My point is going after Kate and not the DMs has been called to question. I say, if the poster is not happy with whats going on, do something about it. Just don't sit and whine, make a difference in children's lives.
And for the record, I was not directing my comments to you.
Amy2 said... 5
You don't know me Amy2. You don't know what I've done or haven't done. Let's leave it at that. Stop with the judgements.
One of my latest reads was "The Kitchen House". It's a GREAT book about slavery, indentured servants, and the dynamics between the plantation owners and their slaves.
I also loved Defending Jacob and "Kevin". Thanks for the book endorsements from everyone.
I just googled Kody Brown. He is/was an advertising salesman. I don't know how current that Wikipedia article is.
Dwindle - a belated Happy Birthday to you! I keep holiday decorations up until Jan 6 - the Epiphany/Orthodox Christmas as well. I'm lazy. I own it. Cannot deal with taking it all down when it seems like I just got it all up. It's too sad for Rocketman. He helps, but we have to do it in small batches. He really, really misses the kids and grandkids. I do too, but not the depression he goes through - particularly after a visit by the Chicago contingency. I know I'll see them soon. He does too, but that after holiday letdown gets him every year.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 178
From the episodes I've seen he is a very, very selfish and egotistical man. Some of the wives, well, like maybe two of them, seems very down to earth and normal and I don't know how they STAND him. I wouldn't say he's a narcissist but he is very self absorbed and is perfectly willing to hurt the kids for the end result because he's right.
I remember there was an episode where they interviewed some of his childhood friends and they were all basically like, yeah he's a fame whore always has been. Yikes.
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I think the casting director sits behind a two way mirror for a while and just watches. Most of those self absorbed, fame seeking reality show wannabes never met a mirror they didn't like.
Auntie Ann: "The producers of a documentary don't tell the subjects what to say or how to say it, they just film things as they happen."
Count me in with Heather, Fido, Jo and all the other posters here who think Dance Moms IS exploitive. Like Auntie Ann wrote, a real documentary never ever interferes with the life of its subjects.The main goal of a documentary is to educate, to inform. It's a "document", a "testimony", something you eventually can refere to and from which you can learn how it was, say, to be a farmer's wife in such and such location at such and such times.
To insure that what the're filming is as close to reality as it can be, -being very well aware that the mere act of filming one's life is disruptive enough to alter its reality-, documentarists follow a strict code of ethics, the very first rule being not to meddle in their subjects lives. And if nothing particularly exciting happens during the filming period, so be it: that was, for example, the life of these boys in that dancing class, that year at the Bolshoi Ballet Academy. And that's why documentaries almost never are box office hits: most of them do lack drama.
A reality show is up and foremost... a show. It has to be entertaining. To achieve that, the producers has to meddle in their subjects lives and exploit everything that will help that purpose. Little girls learning to dance week after week definitely isn't riveting material for a televison serie. Not very different from the little boys at the Bolshoi.(A very good documentary available on You Tube, by the way...) So the producers exploit their private lives, digging in probably what is most precious to those little girls, their relationship with their mothers, exposing the moms' foibles, real and completely fabricated, to create the drama for everyone to see.
When they agree to participate in the show, I don't think any of those little dancers had any idea their own mother would come of as horribly as they are shown. And that what bothers me the most with that show. Not the dancing, not Abby's teaching, not the pyramid,not even the cheesy costumes, but the fact that the producers are exploiting a very important part in the little dancers' private lives to create drama, entertainment, a... show. A show. Not a documentary.
It's not as worst as what the Gosselin 8 went through, but I still think those little dancers' sting on that show will eventually, somehow, sometimes, have negative repercussions in their personal lives. And, for that reason, I, too, chose not to watch Dance Moms.
I enjoyed Defending Jacob! Try Gone Girl - another good psychological mystery
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Yes! I have Gone Girl and I have also read her two other novels, both very good. I really like the author.
Could not put Gone Girl down.
Working Woman, just started reading Defending Jacob...will let you know.
White I pretty much agree with your well thought out comments. I think Dance Moms IS exploitive, I don't think anyone said otherwise, just don't see it as the exact same show as Jon and Kate. It's not to me, though the distinctions are subtle. But noticeable, to me.
Speaking of sheeple, I guess there is no age requirement to join the flock. This parent has apparently started her six-year-old into a very early initiation into the fold:
nat_hughes
@Kateplusmy8 watching the finale show 5 mins in and I'm already a complete mess as is my 6 year old daughter she loves u guys :(
A six-year-old a "mess" because the show ended? How do these people deal with real heartbreak and painful situations in their lives, if five minutes into a defunct reality show they are complete messes? I don't know, but I shake my head when I think about these fans facing conflicts in the real world. How do they cope?
heather here ...
What if Kate signed up Mady for voice/acting lessons and filmed the crap out of her as she went from lesson to audition and had a show on Lifetime?
Would that show be in the category of K+8 or DMs?
Well Mady had already had the crap filmed out of her for five years so in my opinion filming even two seconds of that child is exploitive hands down. Even if its just Mady eating an apple.
Hheather,
sadly I think that is what kk is shopping out. I would't surprise me.
Still wouldn't watch it. Poor girl is already over-exposed.
Let them do that in private, no need to see the rejections etc on camera.
I troed acting for a while, it can be brutal
My point is this:
If Kate were to do it to Mady = bad.
But, if moms on DMs do it to their daughters = OK.
What's the difference??? Because it's Kate? Filming before doesn't matter, it matters as to what is on NOW. So people would be supportive of getting Mady off the air, but DMS? Eh, not so much.
Don;t mean to offend, but I don't get that line of thinking.
No one said Dance Moms was "ok", Heather so I'm not sure what to tell you. A different beast does not equate to "ok". Seeing merit in some areas does not mean anyone is endorsing the entire thing as "ok". It's not okay.
If invited, would I have gone a day with the Gosselins on any of the trips they had, or even a day at home? Nope. No desire to be a part of that, even as a silent observer behind the scenes. There was no point, nothing was being accomplished by that family. They had no point worth filming, in my opinion.
If invited, would I go watch the Dance girls practice? In a heartbeat. As long as their mothers took the day off. It's the moms who make this some kind of a freak show, not the
girls. The girls are making beautiful art and
their art is worth appreciating. They have a POINT in being there. The Gosselins really didn't.
Locals often go to basketball practices, football practices, baseball practices, etc. around here. We don't have a swimming team, but those practices are pretty interesting to those who love swimming. I wish I could hang out at the school pool and watch them train - but alas, that won't happen. I miss the world of competitive swimming.
That's why I have less trouble with Dance Moms than with Kate. The end product is dance! Good dancing by well trained students.
Full disclosure - I don't watch Dance Moms any more because of the mothers. They ruined a beautiful display of artistic talent for me.
Dwindle said... 163
thanks Working Woman! And to all who wished me Happy Birthday, thank you so much! I really have been busy for the holidays this year, so I can either read here, or post, I hadnt been able to make time to do both! LOL! But everything is back to normal now, and I am glad about that! My tree stays up till Orthodox Christmas (HunnyBunny's dad was Russian Orthodox) so I have a few more days before the boxes invade my living room again.
I refuse to watch any reality shows with kids on them. But I might go take a peek at Liz and Dick now. hehe
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Oh wow! I just caught this post.
Happy, happy birthday Dwindle :o)
May all your wishes come true.
With love,
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Admin (13) "I think Dance Moms IS exploitive, I don't think anyone said otherwise, just don't see it as the exact same show as Jon and Kate."
O.K., fair. Dance Moms is certainly not as bad as Jon & Kate. And the one big reason for me is that at least the mothers on DM were never presented to the public as role models, like the Incredible Kate was. Just to think that overworked, overwhelmed, tired young moms were impressed by her mothering style gives me shivers, I swear.
Finally, just to make myself clesr, I'm not pointing any finger at anyone who chooses to watch DM. In spite of its exploitive choices, I can understand the train wreck factor attraction effect. It's just not for me. Like somebody wrote earlier, I, too, have a hard time watching little girls cry .
Berks resident said... 12
I enjoyed Defending Jacob! Try Gone Girl - another good psychological mystery
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Yes! I have Gone Girl and I have also read her two other novels, both very good. I really like the author.
Could not put Gone Girl down.
Working Woman, just started reading Defending Jacob...will let you know.
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I was thinking of d/ling Gillian Flynn's other books - thx for the recommendation!
I just downloaded We Need to Talk About Kevin for kindle free from the library. Never even left my chair and I'm off and reading. What a world!
Kate's website really is a mess, isn't it. I haven't been there for a long, long time, and I just checked "coming events." She lists the marathon for December 4, but when you click on the link, it takes you to the November 17, 2013 run. If you click on the Steve Irwin Day (which she says is November 16), it pulls up the November 15, 2013 date. She also announces that she will be joining them in Australia, but I think this is from the past event, and not that she will be at the 2013 event. Such a poorly organized blog, with erroneous information. Fashion and beauty and other topics are from 2011, and the "inspiration" is still "coming soon." I guess nothing inspires her, other than platitudes from her faithful tweeties.
I remember all of the hype when she was on Today and made the big announcement about this wonderful website to keep fans connected to her family, where they can check in and learn what's happening in their lives.
She quickly lost interest in maintaining that site, didn't she? No more Menu Mondays...what are the sheeple cooking on Mondays without those recipes?
Winter Wonderland said... 25
No more Menu Mondays...what are the sheeple cooking on Mondays without those recipes?
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Sheeple Kibbles, Purina SheepleChow and Troll Treats... chased down with troughs of koolaid. It can't be healthy.
Who thinks Kate will still be running marathons
by the end of 2013? That's not snark, that's a real question, btw.
chased down with troughs of koolaid.
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What flavor Kool-Aid? :)
Winter Wonderland said... 28
chased down with troughs of koolaid.
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What flavor Kool-Aid? :)
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Orange, of course!!
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@Kateplusmy8 From Australia..missed following your family...from 57 year old new to tweet :) Still don't understand why show stopped.
What is it that they don't understand? They can't be that slow in the comprehension department, can they? She caused her own demise with her attitude and holier-than-thou personality. She couldn't make it on her own without Jon. No viewers, ratings tanked.
Things we can expect Kate to tweet during her manic tweeting phase after she returns from the (working?) vacation:
1. The kids were surprised and shrieked with delight.
2. She's terribly exhausted-ish.
3. She's never had so much laundry to do in her life.
4. Hints about a surprise for her fans. (Again, filming.)
5. The kids thanked her a gazillion times x8.
6. The kids told her she's the best mother in the world a gazillion times x8.
7. She'll be sooooo sad to see them go back to school. (Let's laugh.)
8. Complaints about getting back into the early rising routine.
Lol Pat. And also, there was no place they'd rather be!
I.e. what kid would actually want to be with their deadbeat dad over the holidays?
Why do the fans think they own the kids? Why do they think they have a right to watch these kids grow up?
Oh yeah, because KATE sold their privacy. Bitch.
Those fans are scary crazy and if I was Kate, I'd move and not let them know where I am but she'll never do that.
I think Milo gave Kate another free vacation. Some people make friends with their personalities and others just buy them.
It was Mady and Mackenzie's mom that went to the Philly Children's Hospital.
Penny that's Melissa the one Kate picked a twitter war with! Lol. She tries very hard to stay out of the fights, she's probably the most likable. Someone could be screaming in her face and she'll just sit there unresponsive. And it was nice to see her put Kate in her place.
Funny. I like her even more now.
Maddie spells her name properly. LOL They all seem like nice girls and to have good relationships with their moms, go right to them for comfort.
I think Milo gave Kate another free vacation. Some people make friends with their personalities and others just buy them.
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But wasn't Kate seen in NC in a limo? The other vacation, rumored to be a freebie from Milo, was in Gulf Shores, Alabama. How many vacation homes does Milo have?
Kate wouldn't have driven all the way to Gulf Shores again so soon, would she? I just can't see Milo shelling out several thousand dollars in cash to pay for a vacation for nine. Then again, it's Milo. Who knows? She hasn't tweeted for nearly a week.
If Milo did give Kate another free vacation, then I hope Milo doesn't think this means she has rights into Kate's life even more than she thinks now.
I just can't see Milo shelling out several thousand dollars in cash to pay for a vacation for nine.
ANYTHING for Kate. ANYTHING.
ANYTHING to be friends with Kate. ANYTHING.
Are we assuming the kids are with Kate? I don't know what's going on, but she may be away on a mommy only vacation? Or with some carefully vetted travel buddy.
ANYTHING for Kate. ANYTHING.
ANYTHING to be friends with Kate. ANYTHING.
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Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?...;)
Just like me
They long to be
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Fleecing The Sheeple said... 42
ANYTHING for Kate. ANYTHING.
ANYTHING to be friends with Kate. ANYTHING.
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Why do birds suddenly appear, every time you are near?...;)
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Well, not THIS flightless bird :)
I think she went on a cruise with the twins.
Laurie
Aww, come on, Kiwi. Just flap your arms.
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Penny that's Melissa the one Kate picked a twitter war with! Lol. She tries very hard to stay out of the fights, she's probably the most likable. Someone could be screaming in her face and she'll just sit there unresponsive. And it was nice to see her put Kate in her place.
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If it had been Abby it would have been brutal. Kate knows exactly who she can tangle with and who not to go near.
I do enjoy it when people shut her down. Like the skyjump guy who just pushed her off the tower and Mr. River Raft Man. It makes me tingly all over.
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Winter Wonderland - I think the flavor koolaid Kate gives them is cherry merlot. Generic brand, non alcoholic. She keeps the hard stuff for herself.
I thought they traded the Kool-ade for Juicy Juice for life. Juicy Juice is free, after all.
Although I do understand the Kool-ade reference.
For life? Holy cow. No wonder she brushes those kids teeth with a vengeance.
Hello all, I've been lurking over the holidays but did not stop to wish everyone a Happy New Year, and on the top of the list, I wish you all good health.
I see Kate is twitter-silent. As others have said here, it's my belief that she's on a cruise with her BFF twins. I also think that Milo is with her and that Milo is either Deanna or Jamie. Just MO but this so fits in with the tweets. Does anyone else think this?
LMG, I also read about your dilemma regarding DH's smoking. I hope you can work out a solution with your DD because I know how much your GSs mean to you.
Franky, I love your posts. I went to Montreal last week and couldn't believe how much snow you got.
Dwindle, I wish you a belated Happy Birthday, and many, many more to come.
PJ's, plantar fac. If that is the horrible heel pain especially when you get up in the am, have a cheap way to take care of it. It's similiar to an ace bandage, an elastic like band for your foot about 1 and 1/2 inches wide. Slip your foot into it. It supports your arch. It should rest at your instep and over the top of your foot. Get two. Wear one one day, wash it by hand and let it air dry while you wear the other. Thin enough to wear with shoes. I was almost crawling the first few steps in the am and I got IMMEDIATE relief. Wore those for a few weeks and haven't had the pain in years now. Saw these in a catalog along with the really expensive devices. It supports the arch so the tendon doesn't contract at night. That's what hurts so much. I know podiatrists have this. They just cut the width you need. Hope this helps.
If she's actually with her kids, I'm glad she is finally putting away her phone for once. Although if it's some kind of cruise that's probably more because there is limited interest access.
Admin, I doubt she's with all the kids. I take it you meant internet access. I truly believe she's on a cruise and that's why there was only one tweet, probably when she was ashore.
Dmasy, how's the rumspringa get-together coming along. I only wish I lived closer to be able to join everyone at the brewery.
Hogs to all!
Hi carolina peach and thanks. I had a pretty severe case in both feet from running and it required physical therapy and a brace. If you get it again, know it is an injury caused by tightness in the calf. The injury is caused by the pull on the arch and yes, the pain is in the heel. I had that pain all day long. You can stretch, stretch, stretch those calves as much as you can, and if it comes on, roll your arch hard on a hard ball, or better yet, a frozen water bottle. That massaging helps release the fibers. Hopefully you will never suffer again!
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Aww, come on, Kiwi. Just flap your arms.
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My chicken buddies and I have tried and tried and tried, but just not happening :)
Oh carolina peach! I wish I knew this months ago about the plantar fasciitis. I had it bad for months and months - and with stretching and insoles it finally went away. I am on my feet all day and it sucked. But I am going to look into getting some in case it comes back! thank you SO much!
lol autocorrect is funny. Internet to interest, really?
Thanks, PJ's momma. Funny we spell it 'Mama' here. Anyway, appreciate the info.
When Dance Moms came on the other night I felt anxious and almost sick because of the screaming. Not for me. Just cannot even listen to it. Can't imagine being in the same room.
Think KK's site hasn't been updated because she hasn't paid her web updating person?
Bluebird, if Milo is quiet, she must not have a signal. Maybe they are all together plotting the next year of lies and chaos.
Odd that there's not been one pic or sighting of any of them over Christmas. Anywhere. Has school started back in her school district? If so, wouldn't they all be in school? Does Jon live close enough that he could get them there if she's crusing? Ha. If she is she made sure it isn't hurricane season this time.
Is the a port for cruise ships in SC?
I don't think "Milo" is a real person. I never have.
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Is the a port for cruise ships in SC?
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Yes, in Charleston.
AuntieAnn said... 181
Kody and the wives said they still don't own the houses.
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As of the week before Christmas, all but Meri/Kody's house have had the deed transferred into the wives' names. IDK what the one delay is, but so far 3 of the women are new homeowners.
Someone else mentioned Kody working in advertising - he did that in Utah, but not since they've moved. After the move, it doesn't seem he's been doing much other than selling some kind of supposed health? drink (a pyramid sales business) and the TLC show.
I clicked published too soon. I think the only ship that sails out of Charleston at this time of the year is Carnival to the Bahamas. I had looked into that port for a post-Christmas sailing. Somehow I can't see Kate sailing on Carnival, but you never know. She's more of a Celebrity or Royal Caribbean cruiser.
PJ'S Momma. I confess, I confess. I can't let anyone think my heel pain was from running. It just happened. But you know what, I had a good friend with an electirc wheelchair. Have you ever tried to keep up with a determined shopper speeding through the mall? Maybe it was from running after all.
Suze, is that true - a health drink pyramid scheme? Did anyone watch Big Love? That is what the youngest wife got involved in (the Ginnifer Goodwin character). I find that hilarious!
Just wondering if her limo sighting in SC might be taking her to the port. Then again, it could be a sheeple making it all up to get us talking. That has happened before.
I think Milo is staying twitter silent hoping people think she's doing something with Kate. Nothing would please her more than knowing people think they're vacationing together. Once Kate's back to tweeting, Milo will be too.
Carolina Peach, I don't think Kate has the capacity to plot ahead. She's so insipid that she lies in the moment, and then believes her own lies. She really thinks that everyone believes her every word. As for Milo, maybe she's awaiting the signal, but I honestly think that Milo's someone close to Kate and knows exactly where Kate is at all times.
OT, I went to see Les Miserables and totally enjoyed it. I did not know that it was a musical, and when it started I was a bit disappointed but as the movie progressed, I was totally engrossed. Good acting!
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Suze, is that true - a health drink pyramid scheme?
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Well, it's a direct sales 'business' where they get others to work selling the product and they receive a percentage of each person under them, sales as income. They have links and sell LIV (idk what it stands for) on their website.
Carolina Peach, do you remember what catalog you got the elastic band from? Or what it is referred to? I too have bern dealing with PF and was thinking I needed a heel pad.
Just wondering if her limo sighting in SC might be taking her to the port.
She was spotted in NC, not SC.
If Kate is on a cruise she probably expects no
"interest" availablility, LOL, and ditto Milo. So they've probably put their phones down for a week or so. That is IF Kate is on a cruise.
Or, as some have guessed, Milo is with Kate as we type.
Thamks for the correction, MJ. That shoots down my theory.
Kids first, I ordered some for a friend a while ago. Will have to see if I can find the receipt and will post. I can see them on the page of the catalog. Now I have to remember which one.
Carolina peach, that is funny! Anyone can get PF...people on their feet a lot, women who wear high heels, athletes. I got it on my first outside run after winter, running hills. The next day, my right heel was killing me and the left foot got sympathy pains and it was downhill from there for about 15 months. Even riding my bike rendered me useless. It'll never be gone.
Kids first, www.footsource.com has some great products. The best thing you can do is stretch those calves, ice that heel, and massage that arch, several times a day. My PT had me doing it 3x/day for 3 minutes at a time. . I got a brace at Target, which keeps your foot at a 90 degree angle while you sleep. The muscles cannot tighten/shorten that way. It helps a lot.
Good luck.
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We are just gr8... Thanks for worrying, everyone!:) Still having fun on our break...X9!!! #makingirreplaceablefamilymemories
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kids first - BINGO! checked amazon. search for FootSmart ArchHuggers Arch Supports $7.99. Worth every cent. get 2 sets to rotate every day. These are the simple and effective ones. No pad. Just arch support. Happy Feet for all!
Hogs, Bears Wife!
Why do I get this stinking suspicion something is up, like with filming. What a perfect time to do a special, over Christmas. She's never gone twitter silent before when she has the kids.
I hope she really is just enjoying the kids without being glued to her phone, that her New Year's resolution is to put the darn phone down. Interesting she pops in just as we are discussing this.
Anyone can get PF...people on their feet a lot, women who wear high heels, athletes. I got it on my first outside run after winter, running hills.
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I got mine at Epcot, of all places. I was dumb enough to wear sandals with very thin soles, and pounding around on concrete was enough to do it. I was fine when I went to bed. When I got awake, I couldn't even walk to the bathroom...so much pain, and I had a full day ahead of me with the kids at MGM Studios. Ouch. By the end of the day, no pain, but when I woke up the next morning, it was the same thing all over again.
It took about two weeks once I was home to be pain-free, and I never got it again. Thank goodness.
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''Why do I get this stinking suspicion something is up, like with filming. What a perfect time to do a special, over Christmas. She's never gone twitter silent before when she has the kids.''
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I agree that KK has never gone twitter silent before when she has the kids....which leads me to believe that whatever she is doing, she does not have the kids. I think when she stopped twittering right after Christmas, that marked the transfer of the kids to Jon.
Admin I find it interesting too. Just when we were all mentioning that we thought she was only with the twins, she had to tweet x9. Who says she doesn't read here? What a witch, or should I say b--ch. Does this mean that Jon did not have the children at all during this vacation? Or, because we saw no pictures at Xmas that they were with Jon? What a world, what a world...
I think Milo is staying twitter silent hoping people think she's doing something with Kate. Nothing would please her more than knowing people think they're vacationing together. Once Kate's back to tweeting, Milo will be too.
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That's the first thing that crossed my mind. I do think, however, that it was interesting that Milo's last tweets before Kate disappeared was that she (Milo) needed a vacation:
MiloandJack
I need a vacation! Winter..I'm already tired of you! I'm gonna dream abt the beach 2night..warm sand/gentle waves/glorious sun here I come!
MiloandJack
If U can't physically be there...U let ur mind take U where U want 2b. Works 4me! Gnite....:)
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In the past, when Kate's gone silent, something big happened shortly thereafter. Not always good things - wasn't she quiet before Hoffmans book was released? The cruise idea makes sense though, perhaps it was part of a deal worked out with Cindy when the original cruise was cancelled. However she's making this latest batch of memories, I guarantee she's not paying. Also, Deanna promised her twenties that she'd be around to play over the holidays and she's been silent also.
Jane
On the off chance it is a cruise, she really is a shitty person.
If she were going to go on a cruise ANYWAY why couldn't she go with her fans?? Even if there were only a few signed up, just suck it up and go. Loves her fans my butt.
If she is on a cruise she does NOT want her fans to know it.
I have never seen a family law order that didn't either split up the holiday evenly, or alternate holidays so one would get New Year's and one gets Christmas, and the next year, you switch. It's as standard as apple pie. The only exception is dad is out of the state or in jail.
She is a desperate woman who can't stand the mere thought of anyone knowing Jon is involved with these children.
Wait, so according to Kate's tweet, they're "making irreplacable family memories"?
Say whaa??? But wait Kate, what you are doing now is not being filmed by a TLC camera crew. So does that mean...you CAN make memories without shoving cameras in your kids' faces and exploiting them? Gee golly, who knew???
That puts her main reality show rationalization of "it was our way of making memories" to hell. Kate you are supposedly making memories now without filming and tweeting very little for once.....why couldn't you do that three years ago, when everyone and his brother was begging you to stop filming???
Admin, if there is an order that splits the holiday but Kate wants to take them on an extended trip and the kids would rather go away than stay with Jon, does the court get involved? Or can the parents work it out themselves?
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They can work it out themselves but it's not usually a good idea when you don't get along. For instance say it were the opposite and Kate agreed the kids could have an extra day with Jon, she may hold that against him as blackmail forever. Not worth it.
I almost always caution parents to just follow the family law order. Stick to it and a lot of conflicts are avoided. But people ignore that advice all the time.
When Kate is with the kids = twitter mania
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Kate is with the kids and filming= twitter silence
When Kate went to Australia, didn't the judge allow kate to have the kids for both Christmas and New Years because it was " work".
Kate is only making " family memories" when a camera is in their face, or something has been handed to them free. Kate would NOT pay for cruise for 9 people.
I believe Deanna is her new travelling babysitter/Friend who has replaced Jamie. IMO Jamie and Kate may still be friends, but not for travel! Who in their right mind would continue to travel with kate after the RV disaster!
I have a stinkin suspicion too! Kates way too happy! Hope I am wrong, but not likely....
I don't see Kate taking her kids on two major vacations in one year on her own dime. Even with the beach house this past summer being grifted, this isn't her style. They very well could be filming.
Either way, she's been with the kids a long time now. I suspect she'll take off for some "me time" soon after they get back.
And I have no doubt that Milo knows exactly what's going on.
Meagler said... 90
''When Kate is with the kids = twitter mania
unless
Kate is with the kids and filming= twitter silence
When Kate went to Australia, didn't the judge allow kate to have the kids for both Christmas and New Years because it was " work".
Kate is only making " family memories" when a camera is in their face, or something has been handed to them free. Kate would NOT pay for cruise for 9 people.''
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Point taken. IF another judge allowed KK to have the kids for the entire holiday because it was ''work'', it is so very KK to say that the kids wanted to be with her for the entire holiday, NOT Jon, instead of saying that the kids had to work with her!
I will never believe that ALL the kids wanted to work, and not spend time with their father. Never.
When Kate went to Australia, didn't the judge allow kate to have the kids for both Christmas and New Years because it was " work".
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I don't know if it was xmas too but it cut into Jon's time. His time was made up later. Still shitty though.
Kate's comment " we asked the kids what they wanted to do for Christmas and they said they wanted to be at home for Christmas and the days surrounding it"... ( hmmm what about the days not surrounding it, like the days before New years, New Years, and the 5 days after that??)
I think a BIG carrot got dangled in front of the kids. What kid would not want to go somewhere exciting at Christmas time? They may feel some guilt about not seeing dad, but hey have been down this path before.
Kate just seemed to giddy to me before Christmas! The only thing holding me back from betting on my hunch is... she did go on a beach vacation that did not exploit the kids, other then posting some pictures to the website, which she did afterwards. I really truly , for the kids sake, hope this is an attempt to re-connect with family!
If she bribed them with some fun fancy trip of course they chose that and any good parent wouldn't make them feel guilty about wanting to choose that.
She has NO credibility, none.
Want to go on a lavish, sun soaked cruise, or stay home with daddy and risk the power getting knocked out again and getting mauled by pit bulls? You decide!
thx bluebird..we'll have to have coffee someday. lol..we could speak vrai quebecois with so many expressions the sheeple coild google up their ewe-yam until the cows comme home and still not figure it out.lol
let me know..or we coild geocache
a bientot j'espere
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
On the off chance it is a cruise, she really is a shitty person.
If she were going to go on a cruise ANYWAY why couldn't she go with her fans?? Even if there were only a few signed up, just suck it up and go. Loves her fans my butt.
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How can they not see how much she really doesn't care about them? She couldn't even give them the time it takes to have lunch with them.
I know we make fun of them but are they actually THAT gullible?
New reality series for TLC..."Six Stupid Sheeple"... airs on Monday @ 7:00 pm.
Dwindle, Happy Belated Birthday!
I don't watch Dance Moms or any of the Real Housewives shows or the Kardashians or even Jersey Shore. I DO enjoy Project Runway, Top Chef, shows where the contestants are making something. And of course Survivor and Big Brother are fun to watch! Attractive, well dressed women screaming at each other, kinda boring. Dirty, grimy, muddy contestants screaming at each other while wrestling for some reward, fun to watch!
Guiltiest guilty pleasure without one single solitary redeeming feature: Redneck Island on CMT! Host Stone Cold Steve Austin, at the ritual typical vote contestants, who are all the most stereotypical rednecks they can fine, write their votes with a Sharpie onto a beer cosy and pot it into an Igloo cooler! DH thinks the vote is the funniest part of the whole show.
This is creepy. Why do these people need pictures of the kids? What do they do with them...frame them and put them on a table with their family photos?
callerbabe
@Kateplusmy8 When you have some free time could you send me a recent pic of your wonderful kids-please Kate?
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AuntieAnn said... 181
Kody and the wives said they still don't own the houses.
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As of the week before Christmas, all but Meri/Kody's house have had the deed transferred into the wives' names. IDK what the one delay is, but so far 3 of the women are new homeowners.
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Well that doesn't make sense. How can the three concubines get their houses and the only legal wife and Kody can't? Did they say that? Because I could have sworn they said (on Secrets Revealed) that the mortgages still hadn't been approved.
I wonder if the 6 year old and 3 year old enjoyed the episode of Kate's birthday celebration in New York -- the foot licking and over-indulgence in liquor...
joannamfbarber
@Kateplusmy8 my kids and I watch ur show Daily. Thank u Netflix. One of the only show a 6 and 3 year and I will watch. We adore u
"I know we make fun of them but are they actually THAT gullible?"
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Sadly, yes.
Auntie Anne, maybe Meri still has to come up with that extra money to cover her being over budget. lol
I wouldn't let a child go near most episodes of Kate Plus 8 or even Jon and Kate Plus 8. I wouldn't want them getting any ideas that Kate's behavior is acceptable.
What was the name of the co
pany that gave kk the vacay? westpoint? or something else?
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@Kateplusmy8 According to the school calendar the kids were due back to school on the 2nd of January.
Before the rumor takes wings that the kids are missing school for this vacation, no, they are not. School is still on break.
Perhaps there were so many extra add-ons to the one home that the mortgage holder no longer thinks the price is worth the house, even including the cheap, but expensive add-ons. In order to get a lousy wet bar, they had to take the options of a 5th bedroom and a bonus room, plus the woman wanted blinds, french doors, etc. Ups the price more than the value.
A Friend
a friend
which house? the legal wife's?
There is a cruise on allure lines leaving New York on December 30. 2012 for 7-days. With schedule Kate could get hair fried before leaving? Kate could be back January 6, 2013. That could mean she'd ship twins or all 8 kids to school January 7 when their school actually resumes. That way Kate has time to rest! !!!
Go to sisterwives blog. They've got the real scoop of what's going on. All of the wives but Meri have moved in. They've twittered pics.
Auntie Ann said...
"Well that doesn't make sense. How can the three concubines get their houses and the only legal wife and Kody can't? Did they say that? Because I could have sworn they said (on Secrets Revealed) that the mortgages still hadn't been approved. "
Yes, they said that in the Secrets Revealed show, but idk when that was taped. If you check the Clark County Recorder's office you'll see the deeds for the 3 sister-wives have already been transferred to them. Meri's has still is not showing (she may have closed on her house, but with the holiday maybe the paperwork is taking longer for hers to appear).
Over In Kate's County said... 105
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@Kateplusmy8 According to the school calendar the kids were due back to school on the 2nd of January.
Before the rumor takes wings that the kids are missing school for this vacation, no, they are not. School is still on break.
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LOL. You're right, they don't re-start school until Jan 7. This person obviously can't read the calendar.
In order to get a lousy wet bar, they had to take the options of a 5th bedroom and a bonus room, plus the woman wanted blinds, french doors, etc. Ups the price more than the value.
A Friend
Meri said she'd pay the $4465 she was over budget for her extras like blinds and her washer and dryer herself. Now, how she'd come up with that money, I sure don't know. IMO, they made stupid decisions buying these houses, but we'll see who, if any of them last there and how long they hold up.
http://sisterwivesblog.blogspot.com has the details, background info, gossip, etc.
Kate's a FREAKIN' LIAR:
From the OMG! Yahoo article Nov. 30, 2012
"Although the brood typically spends Christmas Eve with their father who lives nearby in Reading, Pennsylvania, "They're at the age now where we ask them," Kate tells omg!. "So they basically dictate it and they want to be home Christmas and the days surrounding it." "
So, Kate, which is it? Either you lied to the public about the kids wanting to be HOME on Christmas and the days surrounding it. Or, if you are truly away on a vacation, then the kids didn't choose that, because you are quoted saying they chose to be home.
Perhaps you are lying about your vacation?
Perhaps you are lying about the kids not being with Jon?
How can ANYONE trust her?
You are a freaking Lying Liar that Lies!
I have family members similar to Kate.
They live in a nice home, have nice kids and yet need to brag, lie, embellish and fabricate stories in order to validate their existence.
I've always wondered why they can't get on with their life, enjoy what they have instead of try to make things sound even better than anyone could possibly imagine.
There is only one conclusion. It's the reality that they are unhappy, unsatisfied and disappointed in themselves and it manifests itself so deeply that they project their feelings onto the people they come in contact with (or in Kate's case, the public/twitter folk). Hence, non-fans are jealous, and the sheeple need Kate to tell her lies so that they can live vicariously through her.
This whole issue would make a great dissertation/research project on the psychological effects of lying.
I can't wait to read the explanation from milo on why she did not tweet a single tweet while Kate was gone. Something is fishy here!! Hope everyone had a great Christmas and happy New Year! I'm focusing on staying on my diet. My one and only resolution. I told my doctor that I'm not looking for punds lost,but just to eat right and maybe the pounds will fall off one at a time. Anyone else trying to eat right?
"Although the brood typically spends Christmas Eve with their father who lives nearby in Reading, Pennsylvania, "They're at the age now where we ask them," Kate tells omg!. "So they basically dictate it and they want to be home Christmas and the days surrounding it." "
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Didn"t *she* hsve the kids for Christmas Eve last year? Photo of them at church?
She's not saying they want to be home for the day, and the days surrounding it. She's saying tney want to be with *her* for those days. In her usual sly way.
Thanks everyone that posted the informaton on PF. I have been stretching my calves and massaging my arch as much as possible since last night and I think I am feeling some relief. I will look into getting the arch support elastic thing too.
Hello Franky, I often go to Montreal or its environs to line dance, it's one of my passions. Et oui, j'aimerais bien prendre un café avec toi, we could talk OT on so many things. What does geocache mean?
Pat K said ... And I have no doubt that Milo knows exactly what's going on. I too think Milo knows everything about Kate, like I said earlier Milo's either Deanna or Jamie.
I wouldn't be surprised that Kate's on the December 30 Allure cruise with all 8 kids and Deanna or Jamie. Cindy probably ended up giving Kate this freebie.
Administrator said:
"Why do I get this stinking suspicion something is up, like with filming. What a perfect time to do a special, over Christmas. She's never gone twitter silent before when she has the kids."
Blue Angel suggests:
Perhaps Skate Productions is filming a special to try to sell - since it doesn't appear that any reputable company wants to work with her.
She is probably too embarrassed to let people know she is on a cruise after cancelling the oher one. I'm sure that when the ship gets back, someone on it will tweet that they saw her. That is, IF she was on a cruise.
Not that it necessarily means anything, but Deanna tweeted a few times on Jan 2 & 3 - stuff about the fiscal cliff. A few fans have tweeted her during this time but she hasn't responded. Her boyfriend tweeted that they were together on New Year's Eve.
There is a private group where some of us are exchanging pet pictures, a recliner photo and silly stories. We have not tried to arrange a Rumspringa meeting. Only one local made it to the "safe" island before the blank account (the leak to profile names) was closed. (Insert another "I am very sorry here".)
The Facebook account under my name IS private. My Friends are not visible. If anyone here recalls my name, please send a friend request there. I will send you a private message.
We are all still happily posting here. (No implosion or problem!) We still hope to arrange a Rumspringa meeting -- somehow, someway.
Everyone have a great day!
I'm just getting caught up here. 200+ posts down and about 300 to go. My computer died a quick but very painful (for me, at least)death on Wednesday. It's still under warranty, so it will be fixed or replaced free of charge, but in the meantime, I've borrowed a spare laptop from a friend, who upgraded over the holidays and hadn't (Thankfully)donated the old one yet.
Permanent 117 -- I hear you on the shoe issue. I have the opposite problem. I wear a 5 1/2 or 6 AAA. Very few shoes are made in those sizes any more, and even fewer are narrows. Have you tried the kids department? A girl's 4 is the equivalent, in length, to a woman's 6 and the kids' shoes tend to run wider than adult shoes. I've found a few styles of sneakers that run really narrow there. The best thing is, they are much cheaper than adult shoes; even what amounts to the same shoe can be $20 less in the kids' department.
I've never watched Dance Moms, but from what I've read about it here and elsewhere, I don't think I'd enjoy it. I watch a few shows on Lifetime, so I've seen some clips. Yes, it's exploitative, but not as much as the G8's were exploited. The girls obviously want to be in the class and they enjoy dance and the competition. I'm probably going to be flamed for this, but, IMO, kids that age can, and should, have some input into what they do with their lives. Obviously, a toddler can't say "I want to be on TV". However, by the time a kid gets to be 7 or 8, they can decide, up to a point, what they want to do. It's no different from a kid saying "I want to join Boy/Girl Scouts", or "I want to learn how to play the piano", "I want to play on the railroad tracks" or "I want to play soccer". It's up to the parent to make the final decision whether the activity is good for the kid, the kid is able to make the time commitment, and if the family can handle the extra time/stress/whatever involved. I'm not saying the kid should make the decision, but they certainly deserve to make some input into the decision. The thing with the G8 is, they were pushed into it by their parents before they were old enough to express an opinion, and continues to be forced to participate by their mother long after they (or at least some of them) were tired of it and wanted no part in filming. They were smacked around to make them cooperate (Mady being "happied up" by the "spanker")and threatened with abandonment if they didn't straighten up and toe the party line (Cara and "I'll leave you with strangers", all the kids and "Are you Palins or Gosselins?"). IF the protections are in place by law, and that law is adhered to, I don't have a problem with the kids being on TV, assuming their parents agree that it isn't harmful to them. Dance Moms sounds like it's more focused on the moms than on the girls, anyway. Yes, it's stressful for the girls, but any competition is. I remember getting so nervous/excited before concerts or band/choir/piano/voice competitions that I couldn't eat. But the competing was good for me. It taught me a certain amount of poise, gave me confidence, and taught me how to win and lose gracefully.
Yikes. I didn't mean to write so much. My flameproof suit is on. I know some (or maybe all) of you will disagree with me. That's fine. Just keep it respectful, please.
heather here...
The girls obviously want to be in the class and they enjoy dance and the competition. I'm probably going to be flamed for this, but, IMO, kids that age can, and should, have some input into what they do with their lives. Obviously, a toddler can't say "I want to be on TV". However, by the time a kid gets to be 7 or 8, they can decide, up to a point, what they want to do. It's no different from a kid saying "I want to join Boy/Girl Scouts", or "I want to learn how to play the piano", "I want to play on the railroad tracks" or "I want to play soccer".
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This is true, but it's a heck of a lot easier to drop out of the Girl Scouts than to break a financial contract with a tv network.
The kids in reality tv are bound by financial contract. Even I, as an adult, can quit my job anytime I want. Can the same be said of the girl dancers if they don't want to be filmed?
heather here...
This is true, but it's a heck of a lot easier to drop out of the Girl Scouts than to break a financial contract with a tv network.
The kids in reality tv are bound by financial contract. Even I, as an adult, can quit my job anytime I want. Can the same be said of the girl dancers if they don't want to be filmed?
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Right. When money enters the picture it's a whole different story. Greed, power plays, all kinds of ugliness.
Brooke and Paige quit at least for now and I didn't hear that lifetime sued did they? The contracts don't necessarily forbid quitting I haven't seen them.
kids first, plantar fac-heel pain. I think the bands can also be found in some drug stores in the 'foot dept'. Probably less expensive than ordering, too.
carolina peach and kids first, here is the basic regimen that my PT had for me. I use a frozen water bottle rather than a can. These things really do help. I think ordering online can sometimes actually be much cheaper than buying locally. My sleeping brace was about $30 at a store (but so worth it for what it provided) and I have seen it for $10 less online. You can also just tape up your arch, which works too, but is more of a hassle daily, and messy too. Good luck to you both.
http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/student/health/pdf/O-P/Plantar%20Fascitis%20Exercises-1.pdf
Sister Wives...I don't watch that show, but have a question about the houses. Why did the one wife have to have a 5th bedroom and a bonus room for a wet bar? Is this a sub-division with a builder who has pre-set plans? Seems odd a wet bar couldn't be added later in the existing plan cheaper. Why would one add blinds, or a washer/dryer for that matter, into a mortgage?
I realize I see these things from a different perspective, but still seems odd.
I did a quick search online for elastic arch supports and wow are there a lot to choose from. And what makes it harder is the reviews on each product are so mixed, just as with anything. I may just go with the Footsmart Arch Support and see how it works.The stretching exercises look very helpful too. Thanks again, all!
Thanks, PJ's Momma. Appreciate you.
When someone said KK was spotted in NC? after Christmas, wonder why they didn't say which city? Thought that was odd. Was this just a rumor 'dropped' by a sheeple?
Admin...did you change something on the blog? Now every time I hit refresh, I'm sent back to the very beginning of the topic, instead of staying where I was, and adding any new posts.
Is that happening to everyone, or just me?
The wife who had to opt for the 5th bedroom to get the wet bar is also the wife with only one child. That child will be leaving for college next year. The was a brief glimpse of a wet bar -- tiny sink in the center and maybe 2' wide. Really? She is also the "cliff hanger" story -- will she or won't she use in vitro or a surrogate sister wife?
Those ladies have gone deep into drama mode. Lots of tears.
Hi Reader Lady, I agree with you on kids having input into what activities they want to do. It would be really interesting to see the contacts with the families and Lifetime. Remember the contract with Ms Kreider and Discovery, where they were penalized for sick days, with kids that is just ridiculous.
I do agree with you that competition and performing can be very good for kids who want to be involved in performing arts or even in academic competitions like Battle of the Brains. Being involved in music and theater in middle and high school helped prepare my youngest dd for college in managing her schedule, in self confidence, and ability to deal with stressful situations. I was a band mom, and it was a bonding experience for the kids and the parents.
I don't watch Dance Moms either, just not interested in it. They have commercials for it non stop when I watch Project Runway, so sometimes I feel like I have seen the whole Dance Moms show whether I wanted to or not!
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Admin...did you change something on the blog? Now every time I hit refresh, I'm sent back to the very beginning of the topic, instead of staying where I was, and adding any new posts.
Is that happening to everyone, or just me?
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Usually I am sent back to the beginning when I post, always have been. Occasionally that doesn't happen but that's rare.
Remona - It's happening to me as well with a refresh on my PC. Also when I post. I read from bottom up so Ctrl+End on the keyboard get's me to the bottom fast. Beats scrolling when there's lots of posts (which is ALWAYS - yay our blog!)
Remona Blue, when I post, it goes all the way back to the beginning. Thought it was the settings on this computer. Recently when I refresh it sometimes does the same instead of taking me to the last post I read. Glad you brought this up. Thought it was just me.
Suze said... 110
Yes, they said that in the Secrets Revealed show, but idk when that was taped. If you check the Clark County Recorder's office you'll see the deeds for the 3 sister-wives have already been transferred to them. Meri's has still is not showing (she may have closed on her house, but with the holiday maybe the paperwork is taking longer for hers to appear).
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Thanks Suze. I'll take your word for it. After watching how the whole Gosselin fiacso went down, all I can say is I hope the Browns know what they're doing.
Only on TLC would we be able to see an unemployed polgamist family find santuary in four expensive homes in Sin City.
The devil wears ostrich feathers ;0)
kids first...
i used to suffer greatly from plantar fascitis and tried everything. It wasn't until I got prescription insoles that the pain subsided. They were costly but were covered by my health care plan (~$300 in Canada). If you don't have success with what the others here have suggested, I highly recommend going to see a podiatrist. I have had insoles for over 10 years and use them everyday and still wear the original pair and I don't find it necessary to do any arch stretching (except occasionally) or other exercises any more and my heels never feel like they are ripping apart in the mornings anymore. good luck to you!
Thanks for the responses....and for the info about Ctrl+End...which I didn't know! I'll just deal with the annoyance, because it is a lot better than my secret fear that my computer was about to bite the dust!!
The sister wife who has one kid is getting five bedrooms???? For what purpose? Who does she think she is Adele??
Does anyone think that maybe Kate finally offended or hurt Milo and that's why she went silent? She is usually there defending Kate's every little move and she's responding to nothing at all. I just can't see them on a trip together and she would normally still be defending Kate against the people who attack her on twitter.
Kody wants her to have more babies. I guess 17 isn't enough.
Maybe TLC will arrange an appointment with Kate's fertility doctor.
Dmasy said...
The wife who had to opt for the 5th bedroom to get the wet bar is also the wife with only one child. That child will be leaving for college next year. The was a brief glimpse of a wet bar -- tiny sink in the center and maybe 2' wide. Really?
That just infuriates me, what a waste of resources/money/energy!! 5 bedrooms for 2 people - think about it! Oh it honestly (sic) makes me so livid I can not formulate my thoughts into words. I don't like any of those people, they are idiots and need a slap.
FOTK, the wife with the wet bar said she wanted it because she entertains a lot, HA HA, and her sisterwives said she wants it so she has a place to put the pastries on Christmas. LOL
The builder didn't give them many options and for her to get the wet bar she had to go with the plan that offered the 5th bedroom and hobby room. Their builder used pre-set plans. OH, and the homes are all the same model, all right next to each other around a circular end of the road. lol A true custom built home builder would have found a much less costly way to give the buyer that simple option. Their builder has a few developments in Las Vegas. They built on a gated street with approx 10 homes, BUT, the lots the Browns chose back up to a major road and locals report that the noise will be considerable. IMO, they did not make wise financial or lifestyle decisions when they signed on the dotted lines for the homes. Time will tell...
I mostly lurk but wanted to say thanks for the PF tips. I developed it due to side effects from my hypothyrodism. I knew about the hard ball and the stretching but not about the arch support. The advice on here is always spot-on!
How did the other wives react to such selfishness? I'd be ticked!
Admin, they were. One wife said she got over her upset when she realized her needs would be met. One wife was asked if she would consider sharing her allowance and she hedged. In the couch interview there was a lot of looking down and biting lips and tense silence.
#1 wife cries again....she always feels like the other wives think she shouldn't have equal amounts of anything because her family is so much smaller. The issue then evolved to TIME with Cody. Should he be at the homes with kids more than the home where 1 child is leaving soon. #1 wife cried again.
I sound unsympathetic because, I guess, I am.
I'd like a sister wife if she'd do the cleaning, dishes and the laundry. But she'd have to leave DH alone. Guess that's not the way it works.
Meri's face never moves and she had fake eyelashes on in one of the previews and Mormons don't drink alcohol, caffeine or any other thing that is considered harmful to the body. I think they have their own version of Mormonism and it is nothing like the church teaches and they should not be allowed in a temple just for the alcohol alone. I don't think they let them in; if so, according to their teaching, they don't qualify.
I think I would feel guilty, having just one kid who is one foot out the door to college, hogging the resources like that. It makes me wonder what's missing in Mary's life that she tries so hard to fill it up with lavish houses and extravagance when it's basically about to be just her. When I was living alone I just wanted a bedroom and an office. It was enough work to keep up a small place why live in an empty mansion? Makes no sense.
I had quite a few morman acquaintances at my Christian college and they were not like these people. They were beautiful, all married dashing spouses at 21, were very kind, quiet and never, not once, discussed their religion or wanted any kind of accommodations. Morman Morman Morman is all I heard from this family. .
My best friend is LDS, and she and her husband are 2 of the kindest people I know. They are the first in line to help anyone in trouble. These people on Sister Wives aren't real Mormons, they're an offshoot. The LDS abolished polygamy over 100 years ago. I don't imagine they're any happier about that show than the rest of us are.
But she'd have to leave DH alone. Guess that's not the way it works.
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I guess that depends on how you feel about the DH.
If you want to be left alone for awhile, you might appreciate a Sister Wife taking him off your hands. ;)
Remona asked, "Admin...did you change something on the blog? Now every time I hit refresh, I'm sent back to the very beginning of the topic, instead of staying where I was, and adding any new posts."
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It's not just you. After I post, the refresh does nothing and I have to click on "NEW" to get back to the current page.
PJ asked, "Does anyone think that maybe Kate finally offended or hurt Milo and that's why she went silent?"
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Something happened. It's been a week since Milo tweeted. I doubt that she's on vacation with Kate. She didn't even book the cruise with the fans because she was concerned about how Kate would "imagine" her to look. Either something happened between them, or she is ill, or she really is Deanna or Jamie or a nanny who is away with them and she has limited internet access.
I was just reading through twitter and it seems Milo is confined to bed. From what I understand she DM'd someone to let them know that is why she hasn't tweeted. I don't believe it, but who knows.
Last time Kate grifted the beach vacation Milo just happened to be on vacation too. Either way, I'm sure she'll recover when Kate returns. Maybe it's just too much for her not to see Kate tweeting up a storm, especially over the holidays, so bad that she had to take to bed... airly waving my hand over my forehead and off to bed I go...
I think Meri is threatened by the other three who keep giving Kody more children. He was being a dick forcing her to make a decision to have another child. She keeps saying she doesn't want another one and he said it's his decision too. If it was me, I'd hand him a bundle of divorce papers not a baby.
Obviously the money and perks coming in from the show is worth the humiliation, very similar to Jon's situation.
Blowing In The Wind said... 154
Either something happened between them, or she is ill, or she really is Deanna or Jamie or a nanny who is away with them and she has limited internet access.
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It's suspiciously coincidental isn't it? Kate must think she's really put one over on us. She must be so happy that we haven't figured this one out yet. ha!
Give it time, someone will talk.
Last time Kate grifted the beach vacation Milo just happened to be on vacation too. Either way, I'm sure she'll recover when Kate returns. Maybe it's just too much for her not to see Kate tweeting up a storm, especially over the holidays, so bad that she had to take to bed... airly waving my hand over my forehead and off to bed I go..
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As strange as Milo is, I doubt that not having Kate around over the holidays is enough for her to be bedridden. You'd think she would be on Twitter, furiously defending Kate and shouting praises and accolades, gleefully hinting that she knows where Kate is and when she will be back because Kate shares everything with her. Is it possible that she's seriously ill and can't get to her computer?
Seems like one of Milo's last tweets was thst she was tired of all the tweets about the leak. Maybe KK agreeed with her and maed her mad.
Kelly H, we get SO many good ideas from these gals. Especially the laughs.
Having chili for supper. Good night for it. brr.
Maybe Kate is mad at Milo for getting into an argument on twitter about the alleged abortion Hoffman wrote about in his book.
AuntieAnn said... 160
Maybe Kate is mad at Milo for getting into an argument on twitter about the alleged abortion Hoffman wrote about in his book.
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Could be. She really did get "fired up" over the alleged abortion, and set herself up to speak in behalf of Kate. Milo has no idea what happened in Kate's life when Kate was a teenager and yet she claimed she knows her well enough to speak for her. Of course, she's never met Kate.
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@Kateplusmy8 I KNOW Kate well enuf 2state that she is always foremost a #Mother...her instincts always set 2protect/preserve life of child!
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@msgoody2shoes21 @ashymama2 @Kateplusmy8 That is a bold lie MsGoody! Never happened! Kate values life...would never, ever abort a baby!
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@Truth_Teller201 @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 They think repeatin a LIE will make it so! Kate was raised w/moral values...unthinkable!
What's really interesting about those tweets is this one:
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@Kateplusmy8 H8RS are LIARS. That wasn't in Kate's journal, Robert Hoffman, the stalking liar, said it
Milo is acknowledging that Kate's journal was, in fact, her journal. She must have read it to know what was in it, especially grabbing her toddler by the hair and saying that she was afraid she would seriously harm her child, and yet Milo continues with her celebrity worship obsession.
Not to mention, how does she even know how Kate feels about abortion in general. Heck maybe Kate supports it. She basically slammed everyone who supports this right as not valuing life, without morals and values? Wow. And of course, she hasn't the foggiest whether it's true. I think Milo would be surprised how many people she knows quietly had abortions in their youth not that its any of her darn business. Talk about naive. And finally a scared 16 year old with an overbearing father and a big mistake threatening to ruin their life I would never slam as morally inept. Even Kate. I believe she did it, and I do not fault the kid. Where is the compassion? Geez.
The 4 (count em) luxury homes are going to change the wives. It is just a matter of time.
Yes it will change them and I also think TLC is stupidly sacrificing a major hook which is everyone coexisting together. If you spread them out what more are they but neighbors? Yawn.
I wonder how the other home owners in the gated community feel about the Brown family and their TV crew moving in.
Probably nothing in the covenant covered that possibility!
Soooo, anybody thinks that Milo is a family-member or old family-friend, or just a realy scary wannabe???
Nosey neighbors at that! They will be watching him like a hawk to make sure they are getting equal time.
And I dont watch Sister-wives! A watched once and a whikle, like looking at a trainwreck butr Im totally disgusted by a bunch of modern women who agree to be part of an old fashioned harem. That dude is a prime example of a narcissist and I cant stand his angelic look on his face when he explanes the struggles of his life.......oh get one!!!!! A real one!!!!!!!
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And finally a scared 16 year old with an overbearing father and a big mistake threatening to ruin their life I would never slam as morally inept. Even Kate. I believe she did it, and I do not fault the kid. Where is the compassion? Geez.
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Exactly, admin...my thoughts exactly. Milo has no knowledge of what happened to Kate as a teenager, the circumstances of the alleged abortion (if it happened), Kate's emotions at the time, or her feelings. It was twenty years ago, and yet Milo slams anyone who opts for an abortion as a person without morals and values. She accuses the non-fans as being judgmental when these tweets proved that, when speaking for Kate, she showed herself to be among the most judgmental of all on the issue of abortion. What a hypocrite.
She really worked herself into a frenzy over this issue, and how in the heck would she know if Kate was or is under a gag order?
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@Truth_Teller201 @ljohnson2006 @Kateplusmy8 Kate is apparently still under "gag order" fr lawyers..so its sad that they promote this untruth
What's interesting is that she usually deletes her tweets, but she didn't clean these controversial ones from her Twitter.
I vote for Milo being ill or offended. The reason I don't think she is Deanna or another friend/family member is because she spends a lot of time trying to 'manage' Kate into better behavior with her tweets. A true friend would DM and say, 'You know, you are getting slammed for saying this or not acknowledging (insert tragedy). You might want to do something to clear that up.' But no, Milo does it publicly on the twitter feed, when she's not gushing enough sugar to make Willy Wonka vomit.
I do hope she's OK, I see her as a very lonely/frail person who desperately wants to be accepted by this person, despite the vitriol hurled her way. But Kate stomps on people with little regard for their feelings and Milo would most likely take that very hard if it happened.
What ever happened to walking in the other person's shoes what the sheeple always say? Not only is milo refusing to walk in the shoes of anyone facing an unplanned pregnancy but she is refusing to walk in the shoes of a 16 year old, a child. Unreal. I side with Kate in this one, for all we know there was a frightening and overbearing father who would kill her over an unplanned pregnancy. Shame on Milo, she hasn't a clue.
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What's interesting is that she usually deletes her tweets, but she didn't clean these controversial ones from her Twitter.
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Well we know Kate is tardy in cleaning up behind herself (ie: her blog) but IF this is what has caused a rift between them, I'd have to agree with Kate this time. She might have finally told Milo to back off, or words to that effect.
My two cents' here...
I think Kate and the kids are at the beach in Alabama again. I read somewhere that the beach house from last summer belongs to Milo, and of course Milo would offer it to Kate and the kids any time they want it. Kate dropped a hint a short time ago about wishing she could tell the kids they were going to a beach. Big hint, there. Why would she even think of that in the middle of the winter in PA? Milo would have taken the bait, and offered the beach house to Kate. And suddenly, Milo is dropping hints about wanting to be at the beach. Hmmm....
I recall that last summer when Kate went to the beach in Alabama, she was spotted in NC. Now she's spotted there again. A regular stopping point, perhaps? Maybe Milo even talked Kate into meeting, seeing as how she's giving Kate free vacations. So, Milo is silent, too. It's all just too coincidental, with all the hints being dropped by both Kate and Milo about the beach, both going Twitter silent, Kate spotted once again in NC. Kate has Milo wrapped around her little finger. I bet she could talk Milo into a limo to make the long drive to Alabama (with 8 kids). The drive wold be much too exhausting for poor little Kate. Anyone agree with me?
I recall that last summer when Kate went to the beach in Alabama, she was spotted in NC. Now she's spotted there again.
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She was spotted in NC last summer because she drove to Alabama. I doubt that, with the kids on limited time over break, that she'd drive to Alabama again...it would cut the vacation short. It's really a haul from PA and Milo lives in the "deep south" (as she has stated), so Milo wouldn't be much help driving from PA to Alabama. Moreover, was it ever confirmed that the NC spotting was really Kate?
I think that was just a rumor that Milo owns a beach house in Alabama. It was never confirmed...just something someone floated around, or did someone actually prove that the rental belonged to Milo?
"Kate dropped a hint a short time ago about wishing she could tell the kids they were going to a beach. Big hint, there. Why would she even think of that in the middle of the winter in PA?"
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I think about the beach every day in the middle of winter in PA! Sigh...
Milo and the beach tweet, though, is suspicious, but Kate said that she was dreaming of the beach, and maybe Milo picked up on that. She wants Kate to think that the two of them have so much in common. Kate mentions the beach. Milo dreams about the beach. Monkey see, monkey do.
I vote for Milo being ill or offended.
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I'm voting along with you. She's either very ill, or offended, or both. Something's up, but I'm willing to bet that she will be back when Kate comes back. She can't give up her Twitter nonsense. It's not going to happen, and if she was offended, she'll get "un-offended" when the object of her affections returns from vacation.
Would Kate really have the nerve to tell her to back off regarding the abortion tweets? If Kate didn't, maybe someone in Kate's camp did.
I hope Kate and the kids aren't away filming with her production company or some other company. We all know she hasn't given up yet. I would not be surprised when we all now think she is dead in the water that she pulls something out of her ass.
Flight of the Kiwi said... 9
Dwindle - a belated Happy Birthday to you! I keep holiday decorations up until Jan 6 - the Epiphany/Orthodox Christmas as well. I'm lazy. I own it. Cannot deal with taking it all down when it seems like I just got it all up. It's too sad for Rocketman. He helps, but we have to do it in small batches. He really, really misses the kids and grandkids. I do too, but not the depression he goes through - particularly after a visit by the Chicago contingency. I know I'll see them soon. He does too, but that after holiday letdown gets him every year.
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I know this is late, I'm sorry.
There is something odd for me about having to dust the ornaments as I take them off the tree: says to me they have been up too long.
I am with Rocketman - huge letdown usually. But this year, I was blessed with a houseful for a lonnnnng visit and frankly I am a bit glad to have my life back. For now. But I know what those January and February blues are like.
I have increased my vitamin D and my B12 and am hoping for an easier winter-blues this season! Wish me luck!
PJ's momma said... 171
I vote for Milo being ill or offended.
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I believe so very strongly that Milo is a nursing home resident, that I am willing to bet that her family and the staff decided to cool Milo's jets when it comes to tweeting for a while. I picture her sitting at a computer in her room all the live long day until OOOPS an internet issue occurs and that darn maintanance man cant quite fix it yet.
Or not...
carolina peach said... 159 .
Kelly H, we get SO many good ideas from these gals. Especially the laughs.
Having chili for supper. Good night for it. brr.
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BINGO!! having my sis and her hub over tomorrow night and what to serve, what to serve? Chilli! And it can go in a - all together now - crockpot!
Thank you Carolina Peach!
Now when you say "offended" do you mean Kate offended her, or she committed an offense and is committed?
My vote is a nursing home too. The light's out man is when everyone has to go to bed. They can't have these people up all night and sleeping all day.
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Permanent 117 -- I hear you on the shoe issue. I have the opposite problem. I wear a 5 1/2 or 6 AAA. Very few shoes are made in those sizes any more, and even fewer are narrows. Have you tried the kids department? A girl's 4 is the equivalent, in length, to a woman's 6 and the kids' shoes tend to run wider than adult shoes. I've found a few styles of sneakers that run really narrow there. The best thing is, they are much cheaper than adult shoes; even what amounts to the same shoe can be $20 less in the kids' department.
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Readerlady, I have missed you! To you and Perm Name, my grandmother wore a size 7AAA and got her shoes from Red Cross Shoes. Some she even had specially made as her heel was even narrower than AAA on one foot. My grandmother was a professional woman in the early 1970s and dressed to the nines so her shoes had to be stylish. anyway, i hope that info helps?
Count my vote for Milo being in a nursing home (or an assisted living facility) too.
My vote is a nursing home too. The light's out man is when everyone has to go to bed. They can't have these people up all night and sleeping all day.
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I thought about this, too, but that would mean that her hubby, her kids, her Sunday meetins, choking while driving, the plumbing leak, her vacation pictures, taking care of her now-deceased aunt, have all been lies. The Lights Out Man, though, makes total sense in a nursing home facility. She's signed off religiously at 11 p.m., and I can't imagine that happening in someone's home.
Isn't anyone voting that Milo is actually Iwana? Remember the hairy hand, the man pants and a black dog in the photo? It was quickly deleted.
Nursing homes don't necessarily keep you locked up to never leave like it's prison, especially if it's more of an extended care thing for young and old alike. When my great grandmother was in one the last few years (she lived to be 102!!) we were still able to take her out shopping, to family gatherings, church, other activities. She had lived for a number of years before that with her son, but at that fragile age it was just too unsafe for her to live with family anymore, but it didn't mean it was unsafe to take her on day or even overnight trips now and again. I bet some people can even go on vacations on some kind of pass.
I think where the reputation comes in that you go in and never leave is because sadly for some people they don't have people around or willing to do those kind of social things people love.
And yeah I can't imagine 11 pm with no exceptions EVER would be a strict lights out for any residential home.
You think Milo's in a nursing home? I never thought she was elderly.... not that I know her at all, she could very well be.
RE the abortion issue, Kate was so adamantly against selective reduction when she found out she was pregnant with 7 babies, so that is somewhat of an indicator as to what her views on abortion might be in general. But I don't know the story (if there even is one, I do take some of the stuff Robert claims with a grain of salt, respectfully) at all, so of course I can't say much.
I am going to try to say this as delicately and tactfully as possible. Kate may have gotten pregnant at 16, I do not know her and I do not know most of her history. But I have to be honest, she seems like the last person who would have been sexually active at that young of an age. Heck, I have a hard time seeing her as being interested in a sexual relationship with anyone now, at age 37. Even when she and Jon were married and they appeared to have a decent relationship, there never seemed to be anything passionate between them. If I were a betting girl, I would guess that they never had much of a physical relationship.
So I just don't see her as the type who would have gotten pregnant in high school.
Working Women nursing homes aren't just for the elderly. She could be 50 or 60 years old but if she has some kind of issue that requires more formal care they'll take her. I also sadly have a family friend who is only 26 but had a heart attack that cause brain damage when he was only 20, and he's in a similar facility. By the way if you could pray for him or keep him in your thoughts, it's been five years now and his family is really struggling to try to accommodate their house so he can come home.
My aunt with cerebral palsy has been in a "nursing home" for years. It's for young and old alike, she loves it, they have all kinds of daily activities, she's on the committee that runs the whole thing, she hosts Wii events and other fun stuff. THey just aren't what people think.
Admin I will absolutely pray for your friend and his family, that's such a shame. That's so young to have to go through something like that.
And I apologize, I truly didn't know that about nursing homes. I am sorry if that offended anyone who has young, ill loved ones who are staying in one. It's fortunate that those homes are there for people who need them, regardless of age.
You learn something new every day, I guess.
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So far, I really love 2013! Nothing but fun has been on our schedule! Let's hope it continues on throughout the year! Good night all! XO
I think what raised the red flags for me on this whole Milo thing is that she never met Kate. She didn't sign up for the cruise, and it wouldn't have been that far a drive for her to get to the port. She never went to Kate's book signings, or speaking engagements, and for someone as much in love with Kate as Milo is, you'd think that she would want to meet her no matter what, no matter where she'd have to go, and she'd find a way to do that.
Working Woman not at all you didn't offend at all. The fact is the majority usually IS older people which can be really tough if you are a young person there. You must feel like what am I DOING here. But they are there.
In fact a classmate's wife who had a stroke right in our apartment complex when we were in our early 20's (gosh, I have my share of people my age getting hit by catastrophic events) was in an assisted living home down in Riverside for maybe nine months and she has a beautiful blog, in which she wrote quite a bit about how she felt lonely and left out because she didn't have any peers there. I felt awful for her. Thank GOD she is home now and living a fairly normal life. She is an amazing person, she still goes back there to visit the staff and friends she made. She knew how it felt to feel so alone there and so now that she's not alone, she's trying to bring them cheer.
Pat, what a TEASE she is.
A downright TEASE.
Usually we she talks about fun, fun, fun and love, love love, it's filming. I have a bad feeling about this.
RE the abortion issue, Kate was so adamantly against selective reduction when she found out she was pregnant with 7 babies, so that is somewhat of an indicator as to what her views on abortion might be in general
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That's because she wanted multiples! I think this was all planned out from the time she knew she was pregnant with them, figuring out a way to capitalize on being the parent of multiples, and it worked for her. Her views on abortion now may have had nothing to do with when she was an unmarried teenager, still living at home with her parents. Since her father was a pastor, I would think that as an unwed teenage mother, that couldn't have been looked upon too favorably, and would have brought shame on the family.
Admin - Great job expressing the position Kate might have been in as teen. No matter what, being 16 and under pressure is no cakewalk. All 16 yos (Our 16 yo selves and current ones that we know) deserve patience and kindness.
so I went to that Sisters Wives blog, and my goodness, so they didnt move out of Utah for fear of prosecution- WTF?? How could they ruin their children's lives like that?
You can see the interview on this site, just scroll down to the little Access Hollywood flash player - it's a short interview and it all comes out in the beginning. I really cant stand this family now (the parents- not the kids).
http://sisterwivesblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/part-2-sister-wives-moving-over-fear-i.html
But I have to be honest, she seems like the last person who would have been sexually active at that young of an age.
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Didn't Kate move in with her boyfriend and his parents right after she graduated from high school?
Admin so glad to hear that your classmate's wife is healthy again and back to her normal life, and that she has compassion to go back and visit those who helped her through that rough time.
It's always scary to hear about those types of things happening to such young people. Remember Malcolm in the Middle star Frankie Muniz (who was my biggest celebrity crush when I was in middle school)? He just had a stroke at 27. He was riding his motercycle and realized he couldn't see out of one eye! Terrifying. Fortunately, he's doing well now.
I hope that Kate's kids are having fun, I just hope it's good, healthy fun and not some trick Kate has up her sleeve.
Gosh, going by her tweets you would think Jon was a total stranger to them, wouldn't you? I don't expect her to tweet every time they are there, of course, that's her business not ours. But it would be nice if she gave him some credit, maybe once in a while a tweet after they returned from his place, like "Kids had a wonderful weekend with their dad X 8. We are so blessed!"
Hey I can dream, right??
That's because she wanted multiples! I think this was all planned out from the time she knew she was pregnant with them, figuring out a way to capitalize on being the parent of multiples, and it worked for her. Her views on abortion now may have had nothing to do with when she was an unmarried teenager, still living at home with her parents. Since her father was a pastor, I would think that as an unwed teenage mother, that couldn't have been looked upon too favorably, and would have brought shame on the family.
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I totally agree. Besides I don't buy her whole oh I'm a born again Christian who rescues wounded flies and nurses them back to health. The whole oh we can't reduce thing was just a convenient excuse so she could keep the multiples and make money. I bet my bottom dollar if she didn't think multiples were a path to riches she would have reduced.
Also, you can feel one way and totally change your position on something at a later date. Maybe she feels really guilty about the abortion now. She was a kid, she is a woman now with different perspectives on things. I can't imagine it. Even if I were to have chosen that if I got pregnant as a kid, I imagine I would think about that baby every single day the rest of my life. Maybe that's the reason she was so adamant, because she went through an abortion and knew how it felt.
In any case, the hypocrisy of a sheeple who has spent their entire career working for Kate lecturing us that we just need to walk in Kate's shoe--in this situation being so harsh, impatient, and arrogant about children who end up having abortions, is baffling.
I have all the sympathy in the world for Kate the child. Of course she's an adult now and has to own what she does now, but I give her a lot of leeway on whatever she did as a CHILD, her growing up years do not sound pretty.
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RE the abortion issue, Kate was so adamantly against selective reduction when she found out she was pregnant with 7 babies, so that is somewhat of an indicator as to what her views on abortion might be in general
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That's because she wanted multiples! I think this was all planned out from the time she knew she was pregnant with them, figuring out a way to capitalize on being the parent of multiples, and it worked for her. Her views on abortion now may have had nothing to do with when she was an unmarried teenager, still living at home with her parents. Since her father was a pastor, I would think that as an unwed teenage mother, that couldn't have been looked upon too favorably, and would have brought shame on the family.
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I had a friend who had an abortion at 16 and is now staunchly anti-abortion. This is not uncommon. Some may regret what they did, some may just have not grown up yet and made their minds up about issues, such as that. I think we all can agree that we are not the same person at 25 that we were at 16. At 16 you may think many things in society are ok, or not, but your views, opinions and morals often change with maturity and or circumstance.
I think we all can agree that we are not the same person at 25 that we were at 16. At 16 you may think many things in society are ok, or not, but your views, opinions and morals often change with maturity and or circumstance.
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Absolutely. A 16 year old is still figuring out how they even feel about issues, what their politics are, where their moral stance is, that's why they are still called children.
Picture this hypothetical scenario, Milo. Your conservative minister abusive father who has physically and perhaps even sexually molested you finds out you're pregnant. He throws a fit, tells you you will disgrace your entire family most of all him, tells you if you choose to have this baby you will ruin the family, you will ruin your life, and most of all you will ruin this child's life. He will disown you if you have the child--don't expect one cent from him. Not for the baby's care, not for anything you need or want. He's taking back your car, he's kicking you out of the house, good luck finding a job at 16 that will pay your way and now a baby's way. Also, you can forget ever contacting the family ever again if you have this baby, you might as well move to Arizona or Canada or something. You tearfully suggest adoption, but he tells you that's not possible, as everyone will know about the pregnancy if they see you. Abortion is the only answer, he tells you. It's your "choice", you choose what you would like.
Make no mistake, this is the situation many young girls have been in. Come on, Milo. How awful to judge them for choosing abortion.
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