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There's a tweeter, KnowsTheTruth, who is asking people to retweet Kate support. This person is harrassing Robert.
Does anyone else feel like shouting "Truce!!!" ?
I mean this is just getting ridiculous. How about everyone just stop?
Yes, it's crazy. I think this will peak this week and hopefully die off. Glad I never tweeted. Adults are acting like jr. high kids.
Macy for days though Milo had been promising a big surprise for Kate on her birthday. It was creeping everyone out. That picture was made during that time. I stand by my comment that picture's intent was to warn in a satire-type manner.
I do NOT think it was appropriate, but the intent was not malicious, in my opinion.
TLC stinks said... 193
There's a tweeter, KnowsTheTruth, who is asking people to retweet Kate support. This person is harrassing Robert.
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Are the Twitter War updates really necessary? Can't people follow themselves if they are interested?
There's about ten of them altogether that we're aggressively going after. @emeraldcityjazz, @gosselinbook, @lisakn16, @Allisstair, @chancertheboxer, @Tallisf @SuzeW718 and a few others. They are despicable bullies of the highest magnitude and we're simply bullying them back. Sometimes you need to be a bully to beat a bully.
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Aggressively going after for what purpose? How is this going to end the hateful comments? He says what they are doing, but offers no logical explanation of what they are going to do with the information or how this is going to end what they perceive as bullying. So they're going to "out" Robert and make him stop...by how, "outing" him and stopping the release of his book? That should be interesting.
I agree that some of those Bullyville are targeting do tweet vile and disgusting comments to Kate. There are times when I've read their obscenities and found it difficult to believe that they are mature adults and not middle schoolers just mouthing off. We've been saying for some time that they are relentless in their attacks and do nothing to establish credibility of the non-fans, but rather make all the non-fans look bad. You just don't attack fan after fan who are simply tweeting to Kate that they like her show. Some of the haters have been abusive not only in their direct tweets to Kate, but to fans as well.
We all said that Kate being on Twitter is the worst thing she could have done because she doesn't have the maturity to know how to handle situations like this. Bullying them back is not the answer. Jon was bullied and he closed his Twitter. He didn't bully back. He knew what should be done and he did it. All Kate needs to do is the same, but this Bullyville fellow doesn't understand that she's unable to do this because she needs them to keep her relevant. Without the back and forth bantering on Twitter, she's history. It's all that is keeping her alive right now and she knows it. If about ten of them are outed, which is the number he says he is after, then what happens after the outing? Another ten will pop up to take their places. Is he going to continue this indefinitely?
Also what's with Robin going on a New Year's Eve date with dinner and dancing with her former boyfriend, but being adamant she hopes he doesn't try anything? She invited him into her hotel room and encouraged him more than once to call her again sometime, and then she called HIM. Unless she spelled it out to him clearly that we're just going out as friends, that just seemed like playing games.
I don't like women who string guys along. It seemed like he was hoping to reignite something with her. Stuff like that makes it a bit hard for me to like her, although I see a lot of her behavior relates back to her instability.
Wasn't there also something said about it being National Something on a Stick Day that day?
And the picture was playing off that?
And there was also some commenting around that time about Milo posting a photo of a caterpillar on her finger, or a stick, or something. And they were having a little fun mocking that, too.
I didn't see the picture that was made, but my understanding was that it was satire about the above two things. Nothing to do with a death threat, IMO.
IMO, I don't think that was the death threat Kate or her tweeters are referring to. I think Kate, anyway, is referring to death threats further in the past than stuff this week or last.
Just my opinion...
Macy said... 190
Just wanted to clear that up. The picture was not made out of concern for Kate which is the spin it seems to be taking right now.
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I disagree. No matter when the picture was made or posted, it addresses the issue of Kate's crazy, unstable fans and surely you agree that there are many. The intent was to warn - and sometimes, to make people sit up and take notice - that has to be done graphically. Many of us have said that it's just a matter of time until it hits the fan and someone is hurt.
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Are the Twitter War updates really necessary? Can't people follow themselves if they are interested?
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Admin, it's your blog, but I thought you said you were cracking down on allowing Anonymous posts.
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So I just read an interview Yahoo did on McGibney. A "bully" they are going after is Gosselinbook. Could this be the real reason why Kate is so invested in Bullyville? Rather than speak out against Robert, she's letting Bullyville do her dirty work because she can't legally stop his book this time around? The timing is suspicious.
Yahoo! article, McGibney said:
There's about ten of them altogether that we're aggressively going after. @emeraldcityjazz, @gosselinbook, @lisakn16, @Allisstair, @chancertheboxer, @Tallisf @SuzeW718 and a few others. They are despicable bullies of the highest magnitude and we're simply bullying them back. Sometimes you need to be a bully to beat a bully. You can't have a rational conversation with people like this. It's actually a complete waste of time to even try to do so. Once they were called out on a national stage, they played the "we're protecting Kate's children because she's a child abuser" card. If that were the case, where's the proof? Why hasn't protective services stepped in? Because it's complete and total bullshit, that's why. One user @emeraldcityjazz has tweeted over 72,000 times and 98% of her tweets are about Kate. Either she's got a major obsession issue or she's on someone's payroll. Same holds true with a few others, we'll get to the bottom of it, we always do.
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So bv wants to expose @gosselinbook?
I presume that the rogue marine is unaware that Robert also has information that will negatively expose Kate.
Kate is tasting blood, and doesn't care if a village burns down, just as long as Robert & the naysayers are silenced.
Poor innocent Kate. As one of her blind (unknowing) sheep said, "Kate should be placed on a pedestal".
Yeah, right.
One other comment....Robin may have a heck of a time getting into social work with her background of CPS involvement. Most social work jobs are going to check for that. I wonder if she knows this.
So, I turned on Jon and Kate last night. I watched the pumpkin patch episode. (The first one?) I wanted to see what it was that I liked about this show. Boy has Kate changed so much! She really did seem like a mom who was trying her best but didn't know what to do and had little encouragement in positive parenting techniques. TLC created a monster.
I can not believe that those who liked her in the beginning would stick with her now. She is so different and the bullying stuff now is just crazy! I wish she would get off twitter and learn how to enjoy her children, but of course that will never happen.
I have a theory on Saint Tony. He has three kids and his family is in Conn.? I think he likes getting the non-front runners because it gives him the paycheck for being on the show, a few weeks of work and exposure, but then he doesn't have the demanding rehersals for the rest of the show and then would have more time to be home with his family. Just my thoughts.
I could have done without the anonymous comment but I wanted to let it through to see if anyone else feels the same.
I don't need the constant updates but I wouldn't want to stop it if others are interested in it. I rarely check twitter so this is how I know what's happening there....I just don't need the play by play. I'm more of a Sports Center girl--half an hour and I'm good! :)
I get the feeling no one who supports Kate really cares about the children, the effects their upbringings will have on them as they get older and be able to process their thoughts better or how they even feel about having been beat. I would think that kind of beatings they suffered will stay with them for a long time, my goodness they were always hitting each other at 2-3 years old! I think that is why Kate makes them watch the TLC shows over and over to brainwash them into thinking they did have fun, she was a good mother and their life was really awesome.
When you don’t hit your children, they actually don’t hit so much as compared to the tups—that is until they reach school age and pick up on that by being around other kids, unfortunately. But I’ve seen it happen with other families. I’m friends with a family that has two children five years apart in age. They are so laid back and they let the children be children---they don’t belittle, mock or do anything that puts down their children. The older sister is so kind to her little brother; I love playing with them.
I remember watching one of the very early shows—I think this one was when the tups turned 3. She was holding one of the little girls and Kate was trying to kiss and show affection to, I think it was Alexis and the child was just pushing her away and leaning back. But she did eventually get a kiss on her check. Maybe the child wasn’t just feeling up to it or was too distracted to participate in it. Or she was not used to being affection with Mommy. I don’t recall them ever teaching that to them. But I’ve always wondered about that one.
I think it is funny that some of the fans are pointing out that the twins are indeed involved in after school activities. But what about the tups? Do they have the same privileges? No, they are left out and having to clean the whole house for Kate.
Now this is funny here's Kate's cookbook.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_d90LfLkO78#!
I get the feeling no one who supports Kate really cares about the children
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They always want things of the kids--pics, stories, blog posts.....and yet never, not ONCE, have I seen anyone add, well that is IF the kids are okay with it if the kids wants to. Never.
That tells me all I need to know.
No problem, Admin. I was just responding to a poster who commented that today Kate was getting a ton of tweets from supporters. It is coming from this tweeter's retweet Kate campaign.
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Exactly! They seem to think the children are some kind of public property that they can access any time, that they are there for their entertainment. No one has stopped to question the truth behind Kate's claims that the kids gave her permission, loved filming, were excited, blah blah, etc. We did not see that on CWS so it cannot be 100% truth that they were doing this of their free will. I think they also are finally starting to understand how filming works because they now know what was filmed will be seen by Mommy and everyone else. That's why they were freaking out about the food spills.
Admin, I understand your point about letting the comment through, and I know you've expressed your feelings before about certain things or play-by-play being brought here from twitter. However, I would just like to further add my comment that the "scroll on by" method, as suggested in the past, still works.
Bullyville @BullyVille 2h
@MyRainbowNinja @Kateplusmy8 Stay tuned, an investigative reporter @cnn is actively working on a story about all of this. #brainsoverbullies
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Macy for days though Milo had been promising a big surprise for Kate on her birthday. It was creeping everyone out. That picture was made during that time. I stand by my comment that picture's intent was to warn in a satire-type manner.
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What picture was that? Kate on a stick? I'm confused. I don't think that picture had anything to do with Milo going to visit Kate, even though Milo had been teasing about a surprise. Someone here said that March 28 was "something on a stick day" and the person on the other blog picked it up and made the photo and put it on there before Milo started her tweeting about being on a road trip. Milo has been featured in quite a few of the photoshops. The blood was uncalled for and the picture wasn't funny. It was inappropriate but I don't think the intent was a threat, but unfortunately it took a spoof photo to a different level. The photo of Milo driving the RV was a response to the surprise Milo had been crowing about for some time, but the stick photo was the response to the "Something on a stick day."
The comment about Selena was made by a hater, and that was in response to Milo's teasing about making a birthday surprise trip. Taken out of context (without knowing of Milo's giddy rants) it could have been perceived as a threat. I thought it was just a warning because of the danger obsessive fans pose to celebrities. Because it could have been misinterpreted, it wasn't really smart to make that comment.
PatK said... 191
Another day, another thousand praise tweets to Kate and retweets BY Kate. How excitin
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Unfortunately for Kate those that are sending the praise tweets are not purchasing her book. As of this morning novelrank.com still has her sales at 15 on Amazon. Kate can buy twitterbots to send her words of encouragement but those twitterbots can't buy books.
Oh please let our boyfriend do the story at CNN.
I think they'll be in for a rude awakening if CNN does a blurb on this, they're not stupid.
OT, but did Kate ever announce who won the free make up and fake jewelry? Seems like she was done with that as soon as her cook book came out. She hasn't been twittering much lately, and as usual Milo has disappeared too.
No I don't agree, Jane. I think there are far more unstable non fans compared to the few unstable fans. I don't see the unstable fans making pictures like that.
If you follow the blog that picture was posted on you know there have been many other "fun" pictures posted there and the intent has NEVER been to warn or have anyone to take notice. The intent has always been to make fun of the fans and justify by saying it is a parody.
When Carol posted that picture, she said it was for Kate's birthday. It was in fun. It is what Carol does. You insult everyone's intelligence by saying the intention there was a "warning."
I do not feel that Carol intended it to be threatening. I also do not believe it had any other purpose than to make fun of Kate and her fans. I do think it crossed the line.
Actually, Robert can turn lemons into lemonade with this. If CNN gets involved, maybe they'll interview Robert. Not what Kate wants.
FYI, McGibney claims they did indeed contact an employer. Question: True?
Bullyville @BullyVille 2h
Hey @ashymama2, you're all about protecting @Kateplusmy8 children? The @HuffingtonPost now has your first/last name. pic.twitter.com/5WOeoafSgK
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They aren't going to stop.
Kate + Bulleyville = a very bad idea. Again, she needs to get off the Twitter, get professional help and refocus on a life plan. If she really has enough money to not need a job, then time to get up and structure her days around meaningful use of tine. But it's Kate and her nacissistic obsessions with herself and a media life will not go away. It's all very sad. I, for one, think Bulleyville may be the most destructive and immature relationship yet.
Winsomeone, as far as I understand, the winners of that makeup contest were emailed directly from Wantables. I did see one tweet from one person proclaiming to be one of the winners.
As for Milo, she's still very much around.
There's about ten of them altogether that we're aggressively going after. @emeraldcityjazz, @gosselinbook, @lisakn16, @Allisstair, @chancertheboxer, @Tallisf @SuzeW718 and a few others. They are despicable bullies of the highest magnitude and we're simply bullying them back. Sometimes you need to be a bully to beat a bully.
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Get a grip, take your blinder off and look at the world around you! Kim Jong-un is a bully 'of the highest magnitude". This hyperbole over a desperate RTV personality is hysteria at its finest; a tempest in a teapot.
Kate is not even a flea on an elephant's butt in the big scheme of things and with a little perspective, both sides of this school yard brawl could calm down.
Keep keeps fanning the dying embers of her 15 minutes. I hope Jon is documenting every moment, every tweet, every threat and every media article and asks a judge how this woman could be mothering 8 children when she's got her head stuck that far up her ass.
This is a strange thing for BV to tweet. Even if it's obviously satire, it comes off as self-mockery:
Bullyville
@bullyville For all you bullies who are upset because we are bullying you back, please fill out the following form:
http://anonmgur.com/up/d539f72c48b5857fedd15b6275e75536.jpg …
As usual, Kate is not thinking about the future consequences of her actions. Does she not realize that she's outed herself to her children on the internet? Her words and their consequences are on the internet in perpetuity for her children to see (if they have not already done so). She will have to live by the mantra "Do as I say, not as I do." Her children will be able to throw everything right back at her as the proof is there, in print.
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Actually, Robert can turn lemons into lemonade with this. If CNN gets involved, maybe they'll interview Robert. Not what Kate wants.
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Anderson can interview Robert on CNN and Jerry Springer can interview Kate on Trashopolis. I think Springer might be Kate's last foot in the door. She's turned herself into television poison.
Thank you for telling us about Kind Hearted Woman. I watched last night & can't stop thinking about it.
Robin seems to be a very loving mother who's trying her best, given her troubled past. She understands her kids love their dad, in spite of his behaviour, & doesn't try to turn them against him.
The kids break my heart. I can't help but feel they are worse off for the filming. How can they handle kids at school seeing the emotional scenes detailing what they've been through?
Tonight's episode is three hours long, & judging by the preview seems to be a little more hopeful.
This made me giggle...MSNBC.com has a story about all time worst dances on DWTS...guess who is in the top five?!?!?
I think Robert's rerelease of the book, the epic failure of her cookbook have made Kate realize that her tv career has come to and end and she is going to go out kicking and screaming. While I am definitely not a fan of Kate's for sure, I do not condone or agree with any of the nasty tweets that people say to her with wishing harm would come to her or her kids. I do wish Kate wold get some psychological help and that she would work on redeeming the years that she has lost in having a "healthy" relationship with her kids. She clearly is ill and is obsessed with the "unreality" of tv. I think Kate REALLY believes that she is a good person who is just misunderstood. What she doesn't seem to "get" is that the avenue she is choosing to defend and redeem herself may actually perpetuate the demise of her "media career" in every way. I think she was actually prophetic when she said on DWTS " I don't get it!! I just don't get it"..... You're right Kate...you DON'T get it.
Nah, Nothing posted on Huff Post. Bullville is scaring them for attention. That tweet was from May 2012. They are searching old tweets?
Interesting: Kendra wilkinson was on the View today and not ONE question was asked about wife swap nor did anyone of Kate's "friends from the View" mention Kate at all....
...well, poor alone KK had to replace stevie, so this is her new bow.
He'd leave her too.
This is GREAT advertizement for Robert's new book...EVERYONE will want to read it.
I hope it comes out SOON.
Bullyville @BullyVille 2h
Hey @ashymama2, you're all about protecting @Kateplusmy8 children? The @HuffingtonPost now has your first/last name. pic.twitter.com/5WOeoafSgK
And what are they going to do with it? This is so insane. What would be really funny would be if these people Bully is going after would all just "out" themselves and steal Bully's thunder.
So Fox reported that Bullyville outed someone to their employer.
"A rep for Gosselin did not respond to a request for comment."
Who's the rep?
I do not feel that Carol intended it to be threatening. I also do not believe it had any other purpose than to make fun of Kate and her fans. I do think it crossed the line.
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You do or you don't? This is confusing. I think that, with the bloodied Kate, it did cross the line. Many of the person's photoshops are very funny, especially the ones with Milo as the head sheep. The photo of her driving the RV, with the hole-in-her-heart sheeple trailing behind in the wheelchair was quite amusing. The Kate on the stick photo, while perhaps not an intentional threat, wasn't appropriate. That one did cross the line, in my opinion.
Unfortunately for Kate those that are sending the praise tweets are not purchasing her book. As of this morning novelrank.com still has her sales at 15 on Amazon. Kate can buy twitterbots to send her words of encouragement but those twitterbots can't buy books.
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The purchase of 15 books isn't going to pay the bill to open the pool next month for their annual Polar Bear Swim.
Chefsummer said...
Even if Kate is getting death treats and bad fan mail.
No one is going to believe her cause she proven to be a liar in the media.
It's sad really.
She cried wolf one to many times.
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That is a great point, chef. She continually puts herself and her kids in danger.
Was the picture done by the same person who told Kate to choke on her birthday? Or, maybe the cake person was the one who referenced Selena? That certainly puts a different interpretation on it.
I didn't see the picture that was made, but my understanding was that it was satire about the above two things. Nothing to do with a death threat, IMO.
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Mel, Kate had blood all over her. It carried the parody thing just a little bit too far.
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Also what's with Robin going on a New Year's Eve date with dinner and dancing with her former boyfriend, but being adamant she hopes he doesn't try anything? She invited him into her hotel room and encouraged him more than once to call her again sometime, and then she called HIM. Unless she spelled it out to him clearly that we're just going out as friends, that just seemed like playing games.
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I watched the two-hour episode last night. I really felt for Robin during much of it. My impression is that Robin is a work in progress with many flaws but trying her best. When I learned that her own mother died from freezing to death in the cold, probably drunk (as she was an alcoholic) at age 30, when Robin was quite young, it explains a lot of why Robin probably fumbles around learning how to be a responsible adult.
However, that New Year's set up was definitely a red flag to me as well. If you are in recovery from alcoholism, don't go to a bar for dancing. She didn't drink, but look at all that temptation right there. She could easily have fallen into the trap of "I'll just have one drink" and ended up blacked out drunk. Second, don't let a guy pay for a hotel room for you, if you don't even want to give him one little Happy New Year's kiss. Didn't look like the guy could afford to spend that money either. How about just a hug for gosh sakes?
Did they say if her ex husband was abusive to Robin? I am pretty sure he was, as she was receiving assistance or counseling from an abuse center. So I guess I didn't understand why she would leave her two children with her ex at all? Some things weren't clearly explained. First she said she was planning to take them with her to Fargo, to stay at the YWCA with her. Later, when the children are with her for a short while (2 months maybe), she says she didn't budget for the three of them, but only if she were there on her own. So which is it?
Even though I had several doubts about her choices over the years, I still felt for her being in the midst of a legal system where she has little control, knowing her children are either with their abusive father or in foster care (where she had horrible experiences herself). The children are so sweet so I hope it all works out for them in the end.
All this twitter back and forth makes me happy that I'm not on Twitter and don't have enough interest in Kate to bother checking her twitter feed. I guess that's the silver lining to approaching dinosaur-hood in my early 50's ha!
Besides, I find Twitter hard to follow with all the "@"s thrown in there, not to mention the abbreviations. It gives me a headache.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/04/02/anti-bullying-site-exposes-identities-alleged-kate-gosselins-cyber-bullies-to/
Last sentence. Gosselin has a rep? Who might that be? Deanna or Milo?
Somewhere, Scott of Coupon Cabin is laughing his head off.
He dodge one heck of a bullet there!
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@BullyVille @misspell @Kateplusmy8 And that threat was directed to a fan of Kate that was harassed & intimidated relentlessly by haters!\
Pot meet kettle. This was tweeted by the "lunatic" mentioned in Robert's book who endlessly harassed Jon, wishing he'd be in a coma,
Yes, Kate has unstable fans as well as unstable haters. I'm thinking of the sheeple who out people and contact employers.
This has to stop. Cease fire!
Does anyone remember about a year ago Kate tweeted something along the lines of she would like to be a spokesperson for bullying. Of course she meant "anti" bullying and it became rather a joke among tweeters.
Since nothing seems to be working out for her career wise, I've been wondering if all this current publicity about bullying is a setup. She is bound to get some interviews about all this providing her with an opportunity to put herself out there as the ideal spokesperson since she sees herself as a "victim".
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I didn't see the picture that was made, but my understanding was that it was satire about the above two things. Nothing to do with a death threat, IMO.
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It was a satire on National Something On A Stick Day on Kate's birthday, plus Milo always carrying that caterpillar on a stick, plus Jon telling Kate to get the stick out.
I do agree, however, that smearing Kate with blood carried it just a bit too far. Some could interpret that as being a threat. It wasn't necessary.
I see I got the haterz confused. The person who tweeted about Selena is the same person who made the choking on birthday cake comment. The photoshop was done by someone else. Was the cartoon sent to Kate, or just posted on the hater site?
If posted on the website only, (which calls itself a parody site), IMO, constitutes an opinion expressed through a graphic medium. If sent to Kate, I can see how it would be misconstrued as a threat against Kate, absent the context. It was a comment on FUFK, not Kate.
Bullyville claims that CPS would be involved if there really was child abuse. Using that logic, if Kate was truly afraid of the supposed death threats, wouldn't she have called the police? Other celebrities have involved the police. Clearly she is not threatened and sees all of this as a way to get her name in the press. Bullyville is certainly helping her and she is using them.
I think that the picture of Kate on the stick was done for two reasons - 1. the 28th was national something on a stick day and 2. I think Milo had tweeted a picture of herself with a catapiller on a stick at some point. I don't think that it was done to warn kate about anything but it was done in satire. This is my understanding based on an explanation that was given at some point. It was definately not done as a threat to Kate.
To the people that are only seeing the recent events, everybody looks equally insane. Nobody is coming off well in this. The only one who stands to benefit from this is Bullyville. Kate is too wrapped up in herself to see it.
Who's Kate's rep maybe it's her iphone lol.
I mean who does she have left?
Sorry Mel, I hit post on my comment before I read your comment.
I think that Bullyville's college hackers tone is very bad and does them no favors. I do not believe you have to be a bully to fight a bully. Although I think Bullyville's intentions are noble, they come on too strong and it accomplishes nothing by releasing names publicly except for some momentary embarrassment for the hard core haters. Others will take their place. If Kate fears for her life, call the cops. But has she ever? Hell no.
Glad that Robert has been public. Can't imagine what Bullyville could do to him. Gives him a public platform for his book, IMO. This attempt by Kate to harass Robert proves his point.... she is a bully.
Kate is spiraling out of control. She is RT every Bville threat and outing, like she's some crusader, saving the internet from one "bully" at a time.
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I doubt McGibney nor the teen hackers he employs have ever watched Kate and Jon's show.
Isn't Bullyville violations Twitter rules?
Privacy: You may not publish or post other people's private and confidential information, such as credit card numbers, street address or Social Security/National Identity numbers, without their express authorization and permission.
Violence and Threats: You may not publish or post direct, specific threats of violence against others.
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@gypsi001 @Kateplusmy8 @BullyVille It shows they have no shame...no conscience. Now would be good time 2back away & stop all this hate.
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You're right, Milo. Kate and you first. Be the big people here and set the example.
With that bloody photo being published, all the good that the ''child advocates'' have done is for naught. Anybody who doesn't know the whole story will never listen to them now, no matter how hard they try to get the real truth out. Kate has won again....
Was not able to get KHW on PBS.i really want to see this though. I thus don't have anything to comment- hope it's on Youtube soon or re-run.:(
Ex Nurse said... 59
To the people that are only seeing the recent events, everybody looks equally insane. Nobody is coming off well in this. The only one who stands to benefit from this is Bullyville. Kate is too wrapped up in herself to see it.
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Kate is going to need a different stick to wipe the doodoo of her shoes. She seems to have really stepped in 'it' this time.
And I wonder how this looks for Twitter. They can't be too pleased about it all. They might have to get invoved somewhere in the middle of this as Bullyville seems to be pushing the envelope on their privacy rules
From Twitter help center:
Privacy: You may not publish or post other people's private and confidential information, such as credit card numbers, street address or Social Security/National Identity numbers, without their express authorization and permission.
Isn't that precisely what bv is doing? It's all very confusing to me when I try to follow it, but it seems like they're tweeting links to personal addresses, etc.
I wonder if Kate has given any thought about how this bullying campaign is going to affect her kids, and they are going to find out.
Child: "Mom, what's this bullying all about?"
Kate: "Some nasty people on Twitter are bullying me and we are bullying back."
Child: "Some kids at school were teasing us, and we bullied back, but we were expelled. Are you going to be expelled from Twitter?"
If Kate fears for her life, call the cops. But has she ever? Hell no.
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We don't know if Kate has ever called the cops, nor will we ever. Steve had reported there were threats, and I imagine when he was heading her crack security, law enforcement was called in. I have no doubt that she does call the cops. This would be her first recourse against threats. After all, as soon as someone does something she perceives as violating her rights, she says (according to Robert), "Can we sue?" I bet she's on the phone with the police department whenever she thinks someone is coming to get her.
The only one who stands to benefit from this is Bullyville. Kate is too wrapped up in herself to see it.
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I think Kate believes she is going to benefit because she's keeping her name out there. It's the old victim/sympathy card. She's desperate and this is the only way she's going to get attention.
Talk about making yourself a celebrity joke. Do you think there is one celebrity with a Twitter account that doesn't receive nasty tweets? Highly doubtful. Do they get their undies in a bundle. Nope! They are working and probably checking their Twitter accounts once a day at most instead of living on it. She has nothing in her life but Twitter. Clearly it takes precedence even over her kids.
I agree with all who said this is the final nail in the coffin of her career. She's toast.
miloandjack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 Berksgirl...then posted it on twitter thread along w/ugly remarks abt how Kate & kids were behaving N Target!
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Okay, now this really cracks me up. Someone tweets about how Kate & kids were behaving in public and Milo is gonna wah, wah, wah, about THAT? Are the fans now spilling their guts about everything said about Kate's looks, her having three cars, etc., etc., ad nauseum? Too frickin' hysterical.
If this is the route this thing is gonna go, I may need to lay in a bigger supply of popcorn.
If a person doesn't like what others are saying on twitter, why not just close the account and stop hearing from those so called "bullies?" Wouldn't that just make sense? No one I know would continue to try to communicate with people who are negative and hurtful. Kate, get a life, for the sake of your kids.
Sharon said... 67
With that bloody photo being published, all the good that the ''child advocates'' have done is for naught. Anybody who doesn't know the whole story will never listen to them now, no matter how hard they try to get the real truth out. Kate has won again....
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I have been thinking the same. Even tweeters with legit comments will be ignored.
Shelby said... 140 I'm gob smacked.
''This 'Kind Hearted Woman' KNEW her husband was molesting her cousin and yet later gave CUSTODY of her KIDS to HIM.
WTH? Why would this woman want her life filmed? It's not inspiring, it's depressing, pathetic and fulfills every stereotype of Native Americans that there is.
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Shelby, I also found it very difficult to understand why she left her kids w/the abuser. I think it wasn't made clear....but maybe it was during the time she was an alcoholic?
Due to family, I have personal knowledge of conditions on the Rez, and The Bureau of Indian Affairs, and the facts are that the ''sterotype'' is mostly true. That is what is so depressing, and really
Shelby...I agree that it was incredibly frustrating to be unable to discuss the episode! And, since my days and nights are upside down, I'm way behind on the discussion that is finally happening. I'm just going to respond from the top down, and hope I don't upset anyone!
I think this is all crazy.
I was just reading through Bullyville's tweet line and I saw that screen shot of the death threat to a fan over someone who supposedly got fired. It is chilling. Someone losing their job over Kate is horrible, but it just doesn't justify a death threat like that to a family with kids.
Kate can self implode without my comments.
I am done.
Maybe milo IS Kate because her skin is awfully thin regarding anything not over the top positive about Kate. Getting all upset because someone said the G8 were behaving badly at target? And.......? Doesn't that kind of thing happen to most parents once in a while? Why take such offense, milo? For that matter, why take such offense, Kate? Not living life right and a little paranoid?
Bullyville @BullyVille 1h
Hey @Berksgrl from Pen Argyl, PA. We now know your real first/last name. We're contacting your local police department. Stalking is a crime.
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This is what I don't get. What is the local police department going to do with the information that a non-fan on Twitter was tweeting to and about Kate? Since when is this a crime? I don't agree with it, and I have never had a Twitter account, nor do I want one, but are the police going to show up at her door and demand that she cease tweeting?
I'm back from Tai Chi class, and I am in the process of watching "Kind Hearted Woman".
Holy cow, what a sad documentary.
Robin's situation breaks my heart.
I haven't seen the picture with the blood and don't want to see it. From what I read, it sure sounds like it goes too far and is a detriment to the cause of protecting the kids. We don't need to stoop to this. The Gestational Carrier does a great job of trashing herself by herself.
Not sure what these outings will accomplish, outside of the loss of twitter accounts and possible legal action.
Anonymous said...151 (Bekka)
''Robert changed his website and blog and he's promoting national child abuse month. it looks great but all of the old posts are gone. i hope he brings it all back. please, robert.''
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Bekka, on Robert's blog, in the upper right corner, there is a drop down menu that leads to the archives of everything on his site. It looks like a dark line...just click on it.
Macy said... 199 Jane said
''The picture was not made out of concern for Kate which is the spin it seems to be taking right now.''
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The picture was made in 'honor of' National Something On A Stick day, which was the day it was posted on RWA.
PatK said... 74
Okay, now this really cracks me up. Someone tweets about how Kate & kids were behaving in public and Milo is gonna wah, wah, wah, about THAT? Are the fans now spilling their guts about everything said about Kate's looks, her having three cars, etc., etc., ad nauseum? Too frickin' hysterical.
If this is the route this thing is gonna go, I may need to lay in a bigger supply of popcorn.
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Wow no kidding. If they're going to go after all the things said against Kate in the last six years they have their work cut out for them.
The popcorn popper is gonna get worn out around here too. May have to switch to peanuts.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said.
''By the way I don't think this was really explained much but tribes can intervene in child abuse cases if you and your kids are a member of the tribe. There's a whole different scheme of laws for Native American children that are stricter. I do get the sense though there is another side to the custody story here.''.....The way Robin and her friends paint it they just don't like her because of filming and that the kids were missing school and false allegations of abuse.''
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Because I have a lot of knowledge about the Rez, and have discussed it elsewhere, I'm going to be very careful to not ''over share'', but something that others may not know is that the Bureau Of Indian Affairs is riddled with corruption and is not trusted by many--maybe most, on the Rez. It is entirely possible (if not probable) that the tribe decided custody based on Robin not being one of the 'insiders', and especially as a way to 'pay back' for the filming.
Fox news has the story.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/04/02/anti-bullying-site-exposes-identities-alleged-kate-gosselins-cyber-bullies-to/
Uh Oh Spaghettios
What this BV alliance will do for Kate is get her name into the news for a couple of weeks at the most.
What this BV alliance might do for Kate is to get her a spot on one of the morning shows BUT she'd better watch out if this happens because there might just be a point-counter point involved. Kate doesn't have the clout any more to demand that they only speak on topics or ask questions that she's previously submitted to said show. She also doesn't have TLC protecting her and feeding her the answers in an earpiece. What it might also do is cause the "haters" to go on twitter silence and show Kate just how irrelevant she really is. It's the back and forth between the "haters" and fans that keeps her twitter alive.
What this BV alliance will not do for Kate is get her a job on TV nor will it sell books.
Ex Nurse said... 56
'' Was the cartoon sent to Kate, or just posted on the hater site?
If posted on the website only, (which calls itself a parody site), IMO, constitutes an opinion expressed through a graphic medium.''
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The cartoon was posted on the website only. Someone ELSE c/p it elsewhere.
Rainbow, Bullyville is accusing Berksgirl of stalking. Ridiculous.
Children First said... 132
''I think this bullying thing is Kate's desperate attempt to stay relevant, nothing more. She's grasping at her last straw. No network is beating down her door, she has nothing in the works, her cookbook is going to be a humiliating failure and she's got nothing going for her. Nothing.''
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I thought I posted this last night, but I don't see it...so I'm going to repeat:
I think that this latest debacle is yet more proof that KK has zero grasp on reality. I believe that she really REALLY believes that anything said against her is ''bullying''. The more this goes on, I also suspect that in her heart of hearts she believes she will be asked to make the media rounds, poking herself in the eye in an effort to produce a real tear as she makes the vulgar mistake in the quote of Ralph Waldo Emerson: "Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted."
This is my two cents on what I think Kate should do next-
1)Kate MUST close down her Twitter account.
2)In that family web page she created, you have to sign in to be able to contribute to the page.
There, that's it.
Kate will never have to deal with haterz. She can have her sheeple blow smoke up her skirt 24/7. Just the way she likes it.
Hey @Berksgrl from Pen Argyl, PA. We now know your real first/last name. We're contacting your local police department. Stalking is a crime.
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This is what I don't get. What is the local police department going to do with the information that a non-fan on Twitter was tweeting to and about Kate? Since when is this a crime? I don't agree with it, and I have never had a Twitter account, nor do I want one, but are the police going to show up at her door and demand that she cease tweeting?
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I 'think' this fan is the one who was shopping and minding her own business when Kate was in Target shopping and she took a pic. So what! Happens to celebs every day and when did it become a crime to take a pic of a celeb? I 'think' she also said she drove by the house looking for Shoka during the time everyone was wondering if he was dead or alive. I think her local pd will lol when they hear the whole story.
Real stalking and bullying is wrong but to trump up accusations like this is sickening. Do we live in a free country anymore? If Kate felt threatened she should have called the proper authorities. Pure and simple.
Is there a limit on the # of tweets someone can make? Can we not take photos in a public place? Can we not drive on a public street? Even camping out somewhere to try to shoot a photo is legal (hello, anyone heard of the papparrazi who make their living doing this?) and they're trying to make trouble for someone who accidentally ran into Kate and snapped a pic. Fans also accuse Robert of 'stalking' because he was doing his job taking pics and interviewing people.
For crying out loud. Kate has 150,000 followers on twitter and they're concerned about 10 non-fans?! Get a grip. Twitter made the block feature available for a reason. What next, we won't be allowed to use certain names or words, just like Kate tried to stop Carlos from using his OWN name on twitter and e-mail?
As for the Twitter TOS prohibiting publishing "private" names, addresses, etc. I think they're not stopping Bullyville because BV says the info is public info found via google and although links to the info are posted there, the info itself wasn't published on the actual site. If not that, I haven't a clue why twitter is allowing it. If regular users can't do it, why can BV? There seems to be a blurring of the lines in the rules, imo.
Ingrid said... 76
Sharon said... 67
With that bloody photo being published, all the good that the ''child advocates'' have done is for naught. Anybody who doesn't know the whole story will never listen to them now, no matter how hard they try to get the real truth out. Kate has won again....
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I have been thinking the same. Even tweeters with legit comments will be ignored.
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IMO haters lost their credibility a long time ago when they started making outrageous statements and claims and using extremely vile language.
Trying to figure something out. They say the one hater that was outed was 62, and twitted from work? Kate has been on twitter for around 3 years now, right? This person, if she only twitted from work, must have spent less than 20 hours per week doing so, as surely she worked at least half of the time she was there? Anyway, how many tweets would she have had to send per hour to have sent 72,000 in the limited hours that she had? Sounds almost impossible.
Just my two cents . . . I like the twitter updates. I like getting a summary so I don't have to go over there myself.
Along the lines of how many tweets is too many.
Did anyone else read about the 72 yr old grandmother whose phone company threatened to terminate her service because she made too many calls from her supposedly unlimited account? lol
She's a fan of AI and set up a system to hit re-dial and could make 50 calls in 10 minutes to vote for her favorites. The phone co said she triggered some kind of alert about # of calls shouldn't have been coming from her phone account type so they threatened to terminate service. Her family said hey wait a minute, she loves the show and is merely voting. After her family stepped in they said it was an error and to ignore the termination notice.
Even if Kate cannot see how this Twitter nonsense affects her children, she might want to consider how it could affect book sales. Neutral cooks - people who are neither fans nor haters - might not want anything to do with her after this hits the general public. They will walk right past her book just on principle.
Read on Washington post website, cause of death for Shain Gandee and his uncle and friend confirmed to be carbon monoxide, because tailpipe of vehicle was buried in mud and window of the truck was closed. Too sad. MTV has suspended production on second season of Buckwild.
Remona, I just read what you posted to Bekka about Robert's site change and I took a peek. I see where it says archives, but there is nothing there - just one post from this month about Prevent Child Abuse Month. Do you see more than this? TIA
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h
@BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 So glad someone with real muscle/courage has stepped up 2help & protect Kate. U guys ROCK! Thanks! :)
Are you sure you want to align yourself with this group, Milo? Absolutely positively sure? I thought Milo was all about love and positivity. Where's the love? I guess she almost has to chime in her support. After all, how would it look if the Chief Executive Ewe didn't show her support and butt in? I'm surprised that she hasn't volunteered her services to Bullyville. You know, giving blow by blow accounts of what is happening -- similar to her marathon reporting.
I read that a local is being reported to the police for stalking. This person tweeted that she drove past Kate's house and saw there were no Christmas lights. Bet the local police department is having hearty laughs over that.
All you locals out there who drive on Heffner Road. Careful! You'll be reported for stalking. Better take another road to your destination.
This person, if she only twitted from work, must have spent less than 20 hours per week doing so, as surely she worked at least half of the time she was there?
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She didn't only tweet from work. She was online every night, and every day. I remember once I checked Twitter because I couldn't believe the amount of time she spent on Twitter -- there was one time I checked and she was on there for 20 out of 24 hours. I couldn't imagine when she ate or slept. No doubt about it...she was an obsessive tweeter, and the tweets were not nice, and there were many times when I read her tweets and just wanted to pull my hair out because there was so much that just wasn't true. It was like she was making things up just aggravate the sheeple.
That said, the outing is wrong, calling employees is wrong, threatening non-fans is wrong, and if Bullyville keeps this up, they are going to be in deep doo-doo. Someone is going to fight back and I would imagine lawsuits will follow.
Bullyville @BullyVille 1h
Hey @Berksgrl from Pen Argyl, PA. We now know your real first/last name. We're contacting your local police department. Stalking is a crime.
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Good luck to BV on getting the police dept to do anything but tell them to stop wasting their (the PD's) time. Further, I don't think a third party can file a police report. For example, if someone was stalking a friend of mine, I can't file a report with the local PD - the person being stalked would have to do that. So someone from BV can call the local police department and they will politely be told that they have no standing to file any report unless they themselves were stalked within the jurisdictional limits of that police dept.
The people running BV are none too bright, are they? No wonder they have taken Kate under their wing: birds of a feather.
In a way, I hope they have contacted the police department, because if they make too many nonsense calls, perhaps the person they are "tattling" on might be able to file a police report against them!
Part 2 of "Kind Hearted Woman" is on tonight?
Tweet-le said:
"IMO haters lost their credibility a long time ago when they started making outrageous statements and claims and using extremely vile language."
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You have that right, Tweet-le. Many of us have been saying this all along, that these outrageous statements and language need to cease. Non-fans no longer have credibility, and they did it to themselves, but they continue. They, like Kate, just won't learn.
Kate is paranoid. She thinks everyone is out to get her. Therefore, driving by a house is stalking. Taking photos of her shopping is stalking. Unless it's being done by a pap she has called, she cries stalking. She taught the boys to shoot at the paps (on the battleship). Everyone who looks her way is a stalker, unless they are a fan. Heck, she didn't even want to pose for fans at The Grove...guess she thought there might be a hater among them. She needs to get a grip and realize that life throws these things your way, and you can't hire a bunch of internet bully-beaters to fight your battles. If you're mature enough, you figure out how to deal with it yourself. Since she's stuck at age 12, that's never going to happen.
MJ said... 101 Remona, I just read what you posted to Bekka about Robert's site change and I took a peek. I see where it says archives, but there is nothing there - just one post from this month about Prevent Child Abuse Month. Do you see more than this? TIA
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MJ, when I posted that, I just saw the menu, and didn't actually click on the archive button. I just checked, and you are correct...there is only one post from this month. I should have clicked before I posted.
Having said that, I am going to speculate that Robert deleted the 'old' comments in order to 'clear the decks' for the re-release of his book......just a gut feeling.
Aren't you legally permitted to take a photo in a public place- like a store? And driving down a road is not a crime!
I thought I posted this last night, but I don't see it...so I'm going to repeat:
I think that this latest debacle is yet more proof that KK has zero grasp on reality. I believe that she really REALLY believes that anything said against her is ''bullying''.
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Remona,
This aligns with Kate's behavior from way back when. Kate tried to control the narrative of a Reading Eagle article on her, calling her out for the mounting freebies, handouts and donations she's received, while still crying poor and asking for more.
Kate called the RE and told them they were taking food out of her babies' mouths.
You see, from the beginning, any skepticism or criticism was met with a tidal wave of derision.
And, thank you for the "insider" information about The Rez. It will give me perspective when I view KHW on dvr.
Question: who is actually filing the "stalking" charges here? Bullyville or Kate? Wouldn't it have to be Kate and is stalking a felony or misdemeanor? Im not sure how Bullyville knows they have the right person because you do not need to use your real name to have a twitter acct.
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Remona and Shelby - re Kind Hearted Woman: As a mother myself, I know that I would never leave my child with a person that I know to be abusive in any way. So when I watch the show, I feel conflicted. I think that Robin grew up in extreme difficulty: didn't know her father (I'm guessing he had a fling or perhaps one night stand with her mother), her mom was alcoholic so she and her brother were put into foster care, then her mom dies when she is very young. Suffers abuse through her years in foster care. Marries a man who turns out to be abusive (I am guessing he knocked Robin around, although that was not specifically stated. However, she is afraid of him.) She becomes alcoholic herself.
So at some point, she divorces her husband, and they have joint custody but she has physical custody (that's what she tells a counselor at one point). She wants to go back to college which means moving off the reservation. She wants to take her kids. At this point, she's completed a 20-day rehab program and is apparently staying sober. Then it seems like her ex refuses to let her take the kids with her; so she goes anyway and leaves them behind.
It's so sad to see the children obviously miserable living with their dad and his new girlfriend. I think Robin doesn't want to deal with their reality, so she tells them they should find a quiet time to talk to their dad about any troubles they are having with the g/f. You see Darian the daughter's face sort of shut down, like - Mom, there's no way we can talk to dad. Why can't you see that?
She tracks down her real father at some point, so now he acknowledges her and gives her a little money now and then to help out. She talks about how after she got sober, she hooks up with some guy who beats the heck out of her and this upset her daughter badly.
I see a woman who makes a lot of terrible choices. But I also see a woman who loves her children, and I think she really does want to be a good mother. And she is her children's best chance, considering their father ends up going to prison for who knows what particular crimes.
I think this movie speaks to lives of desperation. Lives where the kid didn't have much of a fighting chance to begin with. What happens to people who grow up shunting through the foster care system? Robin's brother seems destined to go nowhere. At least Robin is trying to get an education and a career. From the preview for tonight's 3-hour episode, looks like she meets a guy and gets married - I hope he's a good guy and not more of the same.
Now lawyers are getting involved. Bullyville threaten to release a video made by a Kate hater. Bullyville comments lawyer threatened to sue if released.
I had never seen the photo of Kate on the stick, but now, thanks to BV, I and many others have seen it. It is now all over the internet. BV seems to be cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Kate must be hoping that this controversy will get her on some of the morning talk shows and the view. I don't think the announcement of her book got her any notice at all. It seems that the only thing that keeps Kate in the headlines is bad news. Way to keep a career going.
Is Twitter not concerned with the Bulleyville tactics? It seems like they are in violation of several Twitter privacy rules. Aligning herself with the crazies at BV is one of the worst things Kate has done, and she is too full of herself to see it. For god's sake, Kate, step away from this mess now, and stay away.
The popcorn popper is gonna get worn out around here too. May have to switch to peanuts.
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...and send in the clowns. Never mind, they're on Twitter and Bullyville.
MJ: Robert has the archives still on Gosselinbook.blogspot.com. Gosselinbook.com just has the updated logo with no archives.
This Bullyville thing. I don't do Twitter and haven't been following it other than what I've read here. It seems that some *haters* have been saying vile things, but I don't see the point of publicising their names.
Bullyville has no credibility. There is nothing to gain from "bullying back" and Kate is a fool to be involved in this.
Finally, I am pissed as h*ll that Bullyville and Kate G. seem to be trivializing stalking. Bullyville does not get to throw that term around lightly. Simply taking a photo in a public place or driving past a house does not fit the definition of a stalker. And neither does tweeting nasty things about a public figure.
On to a better topic: I thought Kind Hearted Woman was interesting and will be watching the second episode. I guess I am still reserving judgement on Robin. Some of the footage seemed almost scripted to me -- like the interaction with the old boyfriend. I do think she was upfront about how alcohol nearly destroyed her and affected her judgement in the past. I thought the inteaction with the cousin who was molested by her exhusband was heartfelt and very sad.
Now lawyers are getting involved. Bullyville threaten to release a video made by a Kate hater. Bullyville comments lawyer threatened to sue if released.
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Someone is going to sue Kate and Bullyville. Just wait. It's coming. Maybe not right now, but down the road it will happen if she doesn't call them off immediately.
Speaking of down the road. Thanks for the heads up on the local "stalker." I drove past Kate's house last week to get where I had to go. I never even looked at her house. I don't care if she's there, or who is there. But I better be careful or I'll be on the police department's Kate Gosselin stalker list. What's the next step -- setting up a barricade on Heffner Road and only allowing those with a Kate fan permit to pass?
Kate has just turned herself into the biggest laughingstock of 2013 and she just can't see it...and for what? Publicity to sell some cookbooks?
Bullyville tweeters and hackers have no clue about the law. Proves there is no oversight as to what they publish.
BTW, all this nonsense will, I predict, blow up whatever good Bullyville was trying to do for kids who are bullied. You would think that by now people would know any association with Kate does not end well. I bet The Stir has taken note of this mess.
Oh, and this will help Robert's book. You can't buy this type of pre- publicity.
Over And Out said... 103
''.....I remember once I checked Twitter because I couldn't believe the amount of time she spent on Twitter -- there was one time I checked and she was on there for 20 out of 24 hours. I couldn't imagine when she ate or slept.''
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I don't know if twitter works the same as when you're reading 15 Minutes or not, but if anyone checked my time on 15 Minutes, they would believe I never slept or ate! I keep the blog on all the time...when I go to bed, I don't shut it down...I just leave it up, and refresh when I get up. I keep it up 24/7, and that has nothing to do with me going on about my life.
I agree with SC gal, I like the twidiots updates. I am not going near that cesspool. But I will stock up on popcorn and rumspringa for the updates!
Thanks For Going Off Topic said... 116
''MJ: Robert has the archives still on Gosselinbook.blogspot.com. Gosselinbook.com just has the updated logo with no archives.''.....''I do think she was upfront about how alcohol nearly destroyed her and affected her judgement in the past. I thought the inteaction with the cousin who was molested by her exhusband was heartfelt and very sad.''
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MJ, when I went to Gosselinbook.blogspot.com, I got the drop down menu, that I discussed before...there was nothing on the ''archive''.
I do think that the details of what happened when ''alcohol nearly destroyed her'' would explain a LOT more than the (in my opinion) VERY intrusive filming of her daughter telling of her father abusing her. When she talked to the cousin, didn't Robin admit that she believed her husband, and not the cousin?
Bullyville released the video. It's a slicing of promos from the True Grit movie and scenes from Jon and Kate Plus 8. Frankly, I thought it was funny, but unfortunately it did include the kids (but it's from the show, aired for the world to see, thanks Kate). It looked like a parody. How is that bullying? Their next step is to release the names of the people who did the video. Big whoop.
Simply taking a photo in a public place or driving past a house does not fit the definition of a stalker.
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They seem to be implying that XXXXX (local) actually looked in Kate's windows.
(insert sigh and eyeball roll here)
This is where Robert H. could really provide insight into XXXX's tweet and tell how visible the house's lights/windows are from the street.
FWIW, I do not believe this local ever went onto Kate's property. It's hyperbole for drama.
Even with all the furor surrounding Kate right now she's still only sold about 15 books on Amazon. I'm willing to bet that the pre-orders aren't any better at any of the other sites. Amazon is the big one and that's usually a pretty good gauge on how books are seling.
Michelle said... 73
"They are working and probably checking their Twitter accounts once a day at most ..."
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Sorry I clipped you Michelle, loved the whole post, but this particular part is what Kate will NEVER get and where she went wrong the minute she got a Twitter account.
Real celebrities, even most d-list reality celebs, don't use Twitter as fan-mail. (Those as old as I will remember 'fan clubs' right? You wrote fan letters in care of the 'fan club' president ... )
Celebs with an ounce of sense (and a decent PR person) use Twitter to their benefit to 'announce' 'market' 'raise their profile' ... It's not meant to be e-mail or Kate's daily diary.
And unfortunately for Kate, it's too late to go back. Her 'fans' expect the 'personal' interaction now, which has ruined her chances for any network to pick her up for anything on a long-term basis. She shares her life on Twitter. There's no mystery or interest built up on 'oh I wonder what the Gosselin's are doing?'
Over In Kate's County said... 117
Kate has just turned herself into the biggest laughingstock of 2013 and she just can't see it...and for what? Publicity to sell some cookbooks?
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Admin better get started on the 2013 Kate mess-ups! I'm thinking it needs to be a weekly edition this year.
I don't know if twitter works the same as when you're reading 15 Minutes or not, but if anyone checked my time on 15 Minutes, they would believe I never slept or ate! I keep the blog on all the time...
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Remona, these were tweets that were made during an entire day, live time-stamped, not just that a Twitter was left open. If you checked the tweets, that person was on there constantly. I can easily see that the number of tweets made would come close to what was reported.
Since the people that Bullyville 'outed' are STILL posting, I don't see what they have accomplished. The problem is that they seemed to have outted some that weren't the 'baddies', and some of their information is wrong. They may frighten the innocent, but the ones they say are the worst are not intimidated.
I agree with those who have said that Robert is the one they are REALLY after. I seriously doubt that Robert is going to go away. He is the one that has a TON of stuff that would be exposed, and has dared KK to call him a liar.
KK may have the IQ of a slug, but she IS cunning. KK has punked Bullyville into the entire thing in her effort to prevent Robert's book from being re-released!
@BullyVille
@BullyVille To the person who made this video, you have 24 hours to issue a PUBLIC apology to @Kateplusmy8 & her family. #expectus #ticktock
...or what? Sounds like a threat. How can they get away with this on Twitter?
Everyone in the free world knows that Kate needs to close her Twitter account or make it private. Why can't she see that? The only one who is benefiting from this is Bullyville. Does she think that they are on this crusade out of the goodness of their heart, or that they love her so much they need to protect her? Yeah, right...tell me another one. Bullyville is in this for Bullyville. No other reason.
Over And Out said... 127
''Remona, these were tweets that were made during an entire day, live time-stamped, not just that a Twitter was left open''
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Thank you for your response. I guess I shouldn't admit this, but I have insomnia, and since I'm retired with health issues, I am sometimes on the computer for more than 24 hours at a time. However, I mostly lurk and read. I post mostly on 15 Minutes, and if there were mods to ok posts 24/7, I'd probably shock myself about how much I post! Maybe I should be grateful that we're not able to post 24/7??
Since the people that Bullyville 'outed' are STILL posting, I don't see what they have accomplished. The problem is that they seemed to have outted some that weren't the 'baddies', and some of their information is wrong. They may frighten the innocent, but the ones they say are the worst are not intimidated.
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Two of the "baddies" aren't tweeting to Kate. One has gone private, and as far as I can tell, the other one has not sent anything to Kate.
Wasn't there one sheeple who has been accused of allegedly illegally accessing the International Crime Database? Her husband supposedly is in law enforcement. What happened to her? I can't remember her ID.
Some people have been saying they know the truth will come out when Kate sues Robert, but that will never happen. She knows Robert will keep his promise to release everything he has if she sues him and she'll never take that risk. She'll continue to let others fight her battles for her while she sits at home retweeting saccharine coated ugliness, just as she's doing now.
Remona, thanks for the confirmation that Robert's blog archives are empty for you, too. I thought I was cracking up there for awhile. lol
Thanks For Going Off Topic, if you can find the archives, let me know the trick because I see nothing but the current page.
BTW, his blog archives are still available if you use Google Cache - it's a royal pain to find each post, but it looks like it's still there.
Okay.,.so what happens if the person who makes the video apologizes to Kate? Will she accept it graciously? Hell no. What if this person does not apologize? Either way, grifty comes out looking like a humongous douche. Petty. It's like when she'd force Jon to apologize and he'd do it just to shut her up
Making a video is NOT against the law! Just because you don't agree with a content does not make it illegal. The KKK makes and distributes videos, I've seen pictures of President Obama at a lynching, even neo-Nazis make videos. All of this is protected by FREEDOM OF SPEECH! What B-Ville is doing is harassment and I believe that IS against the law! This is all so childish and I hope the person who made whatever video they are referring to does not come forward or a really good lawyer represents them pro-bono!
Melissa NV said... 131
Wasn't there one sheeple who has been accused of allegedly illegally accessing the International Crime Database? Her husband supposedly is in law enforcement. What happened to her? I can't remember her ID.
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At the time she was going by Fostermom. Now she's changed it to PennyAntePoker(?) or something like that.
Remona Blue -- I have relatives who lived on the Rez (in Tenn). The joke is (or maybe it's not much of a joke, because it's to darn close to the truth) that Gen. Custer, who was the first head of the BIA, told everyone, when he went to fight the Battle of Little BigHorn, "Don't do anything until I get back", and very little has been done since.
I can't belive this twitter war. Someone is going to get hurt, and I'm afraid that it's going to be KK, and, by extension, the kids. She's too paranoid and hardheaded to see the issues here, and there's no one who can reign her in. Unfortunately, I'm also afraid that Jon's going to get caught in the crossfire. BOTH sides are at fault and both sides need to just simmer down and call a truce. The bullies at BV, though, are going to continue to escalate things as long as it benefits themselves. They don't really care about KK or about her victims, as long as they get publicity out of it.
Melissa NV said... 131
''Wasn't there one sheeple who has been accused of allegedly illegally accessing the International Crime Database? Her husband supposedly is in law enforcement. What happened to her? I can't remember her ID''
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I don't remember her ID either, but her avatar was a photo of hair (from the back) with a pair of glasses on it. She was a foster mom, but not the one from Australia. Walt/Kelly was a cop, and he is the one that discovered she had accessed the ICD. No matter how many sheeple and/or Bullyville deny that the FBI is involved, I believe that they are. There is much more, but I'm going to leave it there. Anyone that lurks on RWA as much as I do has a pretty clear idea of what is going on.
Melissa NV said... 131
Since the people that Bullyville 'outed' are STILL posting, I don't see what they have accomplished. The problem is that they seemed to have outted some that weren't the 'baddies', and some of their information is wrong. They may frighten the innocent, but the ones they say are the worst are not intimidated.
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Two of the "baddies" aren't tweeting to Kate. One has gone private, and as far as I can tell, the other one has not sent anything to Kate.
Wasn't there one sheeple who has been accused of allegedly illegally accessing the International Crime Database? Her husband supposedly is in law enforcement. What happened to her? I can't remember her ID.
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I thought that was one of the fans -- the one who's allegedly (lawyer word!) a foster mother? I seem to remember she did something with the police the first time the BV folks came a callin'.
This was posted at RWA. I have no idea if it's accurate but it seems like a smart thing to be aware of:
Please DO NOT click on the link to the video that bulluyville is talking about.
Do not go look at it, do not click on any links they supply.
I have reason to believe the link to the video is a trap to capture more IP
Also, be very very careful opening any email from any person you don't know.
If you want to open it, go use a public computer or public wifi, make sure you turn off all the GPS settings on your phones, ipdas etc first.
Also, notice that kate has now added Anderson Cooper as one of the twitter accounts she follows.
I think a well thought out, co ordinated letter to him laying out ALL the facts in an easy to read format with all the history of this need to be sent to him.
Lets get the truth out to him before kate gives him her unicorns and rainbows and poor little old me struggling mom of 8 routine.
It is astounding that she truly doesn't care what the fallout is as long as she thinks she's getting what she wants. Sociopathic.
Hi, everyone. I'd like to wish all of you belated Easter blessings. I've had some health issues and some work issues, but things are getting back to normal. It touched my heart that some of you have asked about me, and I am thankful for your concern and kindness.
We weren't able to see the boys over Easter because of the older one being in school, but his spring break was a couple weeks before and they came out here for an extended weekend. We spent a lot of time with them and had a ball. Just can't believe that in the fall they will BOTH be in school, kindergarten and first grade, respectively.
I have nothing to say about Kate; she's a loser. As for Kind-Hearted Woman, I didn't see the first part, but I'm going to watch the second part tonight.
Much love and blessings to all of you!
Why in the world do people think Anderson Cooper has any desire to get involved in the ghetto craziness that is Kate Gosselin, her few sheeple and the extremists at Bulleyville? It baffles me.
Do you really think for one minute that Anderson Cooper will give Kate the time of day? He has a complete distaste for her as does Andy Cohen from Bravo. I love both of those guys.
Aril 2, 2013 at 4:08 PM
Jane said... 139
Also, notice that kate has now added Anderson Cooper as one of the twitter accounts she follows.
I think a well thought out, coordinated letter to him laying out ALL the facts in an easy to read format with all the history of this need to be sent to him.
Lets get the truth out to him before kate gives him her unicorns and rainbows and poor little old me struggling mom of 8 routine.
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Anderson Cooper had Kate's number several years ago due to her appearance on Regis & Kelly when he was subbing for Regis and the DWTS and the RV trip debacles. She might make his ridiculist again.
I googled Kate Gosselin on Google News. There are only 14 articles written about the Bullyville vendetta. 14 articles written on only 7 websites. Radar Online, Examiner, Gather, Dirty Laundry, Fox, Daily Mail, and Hollywood Gossip are the only sites to bother writing about this. Back in her prime I could find thousands of articles written on her for the lamest reasons. She doesn't even promote her cookbook on Twitter now. I'm sure she thinks now that everyone knows how poor Kate has been bullied all kinds of doors will open up for her. The only people who care are the "haters" and "fans". They might total 200 altogether. She's toast.
I think the best thing to do right now is all of the "haters" should stop tweeting Kate. That would be the end of it. I never understood the goal of the haters on twitter.
Marie
Look at all this ridiculous drama stirred up because Kate Gosselin can't stand that people are calling a spade a spade. What? Me? All I did was be a completely hateful, ignorant, condescending, selfish witch and people are bullying me! Waaaaah! No one who knows her that isn't on the payroll has anything pleasant to say about her. And this predated the reality show. Kate, don't you get it? People don't like you. Period.
I think the best thing to do right now is all of the "haters" should stop tweeting Kate. That would be the end of it. I never understood the goal of the haters on twitter.
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They won't do that because then Kate wins. But does she really? Nope...haters can't see that if they stop tweeting there aren't enough sheeple on there to sustain Kate. This is what is so frustrating. You just can't make them understand that if they stop, then Kate has nothing left. Isn't that what they want, or has this tweeting addiction taken on a whole new meaning for them where they live and breathe it? Perhaps this is why the haters don't stop. It's not about Kate anymore. It's not about the kids. It's about their need to keep this thing going. Nobody is ever going to win.
Oh gawd, it's escalating to the point of all-out, scorched-earth war.
How's that workin' for you, Katie Irene?
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RT @XXXXXXX: @kateplusmy8 Since B'ville thinks one should bully when bullied, we r abt to start a bullyback op. Get ready sheeps
It is a tit for tat thing on Twitter. The Kate lovers attack anyone who doesn't like Kate and the Kate Haters attack anyone who likes Kate. I wish people would be more productive with their time. I mean, how many months, years, can you keep this up?
Marie
Oh gawd, it's escalating to the point of all-out, scorched-earth war.
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That's all this is doing, waging war. I don't see how taking part will do anything but escalate it and make it worse. Look at what happens when kids bully back their bullies. It ends up in a huge war in which eventually no one is even sure who started it in the first place. I can't imagine a teacher would condone such tactics. Have they gotten teachers supporting them? If so do they fully understand what they're doing and if their students handled their bullies this way would that be okay? Both should just stop. There has never been a better moment for everyone to just get off twitter, Kate included.
Readerlady and anyone else who needs it-- it took me awhile to find it but I found BOTH episodes 1 and 2 of Kind Hearted Woman on Frontline's web site. Even though part 2 hasn't even fully aired. Hopefully this works for you and look forward to having you join the discussion.
http://video.pbs.org/video/2364989552
Jane said... 139
This was posted at RWA. I have no idea if it's accurate but it seems like a smart thing to be aware of:
Please DO NOT click on the link to the video that bulluyville is talking about.
Do not go look at it, do not click on any links they supply.
I have reason to believe the link to the video is a trap to capture more IP
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How could BV go through all the IPs that are clicking on the video from everyone on Kate's twitter feed and probably from others on the net and try and figure out from IPs who are haters and who aren't?
No disrespect to the person who said kate was retweeting the " thousands" of platitudes being sent her way... BUT...
Yesterday she retweeted 34 platitudes of support from fans, and today she retweeted 13. trust me, she is retweeting every single one she has gotten and there aint no thousands.
Yep, there you have it folks, the whole world supports Kate.
This is nothing but a smoke screen. Like others have said, an attempt perhaps to take attention away from Robert. Give it a few days this too will dry up.
Kate turned her twitter feed into her narcissist buffet, and sadly she did not get enough strokes to feed her ego. She has no where else to turn. Bullyville can only do so much...if the haters went away all she would hear is........
cricket
........ and Milo....
How could BV go through all the IPs that are clicking on the video from everyone on Kate's twitter feed and probably from others on the net and try and figure out from IPs who are haters and who aren't?
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lol! I was thinking the same thing. The IP isn't followed by "User is a hater on Kate Gosselin's Twitter."
They can't. And even if they do capture your IP address, it is usually a general IP address that thousands of people use. The whole thing is ridiculous. They would need a court order to find out who you are and there is no way that is going to happen.
Marie
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 19m
@Kateplusmy8 Getting back 2good news at hand...Kate's new book #LoveIsInTheMix preorder here: http://www.kateplusmy8.com/ Best way 2support Kate!
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Sheesh even Milo is trying to get people back on topic. She makes a good point--it supports Kate a lot more if you just buy her book. Fair enough.
Over And Out said... 148
... It's not about Kate anymore. It's not about the kids. It's about their need to keep this thing going. Nobody is ever going to win.
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IMHO, for some on both sides of the twitwar, it's always been about their own needs. It reminds me of people that seem to thrive on arguments and conflict.
BullyViIle keeps tweeting about "following the money trail."
Wouldn't you just die if it led right back to Katie Irene herself? I mean that is totally something she would do, anonymously pay people to tweet awful things about her in order to keep attention focused on her.
I just wish they had more experienced haxxorz doing this, it's taking freaking forever for the drama to unfold.
I just wish they had more experienced haxxorz doing this, it's taking freaking forever for the drama to unfold.
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Haha . . . honesty. I hear ya. Maybe everyone will implode all at once and the sooner, the better.
Marie
I'm not on Twitter, but just reading about this stupid "war" here makes me think of the Hatfields and McCoys. The bigger problem here is that this is an almost 40-year-old mother of 8 who is acting like an a childish idiot. You can forgive children for acting immmature, but Kate? Come on, she should step in and stop this, but she won't because she loves the attention and is so gled that her blind followers are defending her. She really is a great big joke, and she is too narcissistic(?) to see that.
Okay call me crazy but.
How did the person supposedly take photos of KK from her front window w/o her noticing?
I mean come on doesn't she have.
privacy trees.
A long drive way.
A locked front gate.
A Dog.
20+ acres of land.
How did she not notice some one pepping in her window taking photos?
Kate went fishing for compliments on her twitter account and what she instead caught was "piranha's"
This blog called it. Her twitter would be the end of her, and it sure looks like she's going out/down with a fight!
Darien wanted to be with him and was devastated she couldn't see him. The little boy missed him terribly too, even said he didn't want his mom to go to court to get custody.
And the entire time, the camera was in their face. Terrible, IMO. I'm not exactly sure what this doc. is trying to show us.
Kate's hit the big time:
Redneck Rag @RedneckRag 2m
Kate Gosselin: Stalked on Twitter By 62-Year-Old Woman! - A war between pro- and anti-Kate that's... http://j.mp/10tneeT
I did a separate post for Part 2 of Kind Hearted Woman. It includes the full episodes.
One more comment on Robin's New Year's Even date.....the more I think about it I think that's just a manifestation of her inner turmoil at the time. She was having custody problems and her life was in shambles. She expressed it in playing games with her ex. I hope she finds true love in Part 2 and he's a good man. And maybe even calls her ex and apologizes for that night.
Where do you think she got the money for that hotel room? The producers? Odd.
And maybe it's just me, but if my chidren's father was a pedophile, I'd be turning them against him any chance I could! There's NO treatment for pedophiles so why prolong the kids' agony of seeing him? He's going only once place: jail.
Robin's opened up a big can of worms with allowing cameras to film her. She's got some tough questions to answer. #1 being: WHY did you let your kids live with him when you KNEW he was molesting your underaged cousin??
If Kate truly wanted to protect the 8 she would stop and stop right now.
She know that she has more haters and more people that don't like her then fans.
If someone was posting a stick up my mother's butt I'd be hurt.
If strangers where saying nasty and mean thing about my mom I'd be hurt.
This is why she needs to stop the things she doing. (but she won't)
LMG - Good to see you. I hope that your issues (both health and work) resolve for the better.
The only reason that I can see AC even giving this a second glance is because he's already called out the head of BV for his cheater site.
Here's an awkward tweet from one of Kate's main fans: @xxxxx @xxxxx@Xxxxxx @Kateplusmy8 I've rarely seen the other moms w/ kids on TV denigrated by h8rs like Kate.
I must say I laughed when I read it because it sounds like she's calling Kate a hater.
Wow! Kate really is on a bender to rewrite history and convince the masses that she is not who SHE has portrayed herself to be...miss queen of all that is holy organic and "healthful" just tweeted to a mom with a 6 year old who has a birthday " hope your day was happy and sugar filled" wtf?!? Also on Easter Sunday she kept tweeting how the kids were loading up on sugar....is she trying to be June now of here comes honey boo boo?
(From Leslie) In reference to the Fox story, note it is about outing hater's names. Well, it states that they did contact the HR office of one hater and they took it very seriously. Well, where is the name of this hater. I thought they were going to out him/her to the public? I call bullshit on this story. Did Fox investigate that Bullyville truly did contact an employer of the hater, etc? I think not. I think Bullyville wants the public to think they are making progress with this whole mess when they are not.
Second, in reference to Robert Hoffman, I thought Kate said 6 months ago, that she could not talk about him because her attorneys told her not to. So, are we to assume that her attorneys are off the case and now Bullyville is taking Robert Hoffman on? How funny, I think this is true. Kate's big shot attorney's can't go after Robert because he did nothing wrong, so now Bullyville is taking over.
How the mighty Katie Irene has fallen. From the covers of People magazine to an advertisement blub calling her an infamous reality star. From high profile entertainment attorneys letters/office visits protecting her to Bullyville tweeting tweets of threats for her. From a four book contract with Zondervan to HCI crap publisher. Wow, Kate is going down, it is just taking longer than expected.
LoveMyGrandsons~
You're back! So nice to "see" you here again!!!Wow, your grandsons are getting so big, aren't they? Hope you're able to visit with them more often these days...
Oh. My. God.
A class action law suit?
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/kate-gosselin-class-action-bullyville/
Jon, where are you? Please protect your children from this madness!
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