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kateplusmy8
FYI: I am in favor of any legal actions to stop all forms of bullying--including death threats and (cont) http://t.co/IOMkX8KA9d
I guess she's in agreeance with the lawsuit!
kateplusmy8
Thx 2 those of you who believe in and tweet goodness positivity,support&love 2 ALL! You make me smile & I'm happy 2 call u my friends! GN!
What a sad, sad person this is...to call internet strangers her friends. I'm beginning to feel sorry for her.
So is Kate prepared to be deposed in court "to keep her family safe"? She really has not thought this stupid game through, not at all.
And the Duggars - why assume that they are cooking on a budget? They are making bank with their TLC exposure, so I am going to have to think their starchy, overly processed meals are due to habit and poor choices. Give up tater tot casserole? Not happening. Interesting that only the oldest boy is married with #3 on the way; his sisters have to be old enough but JimBob is is no hurry to lose his unpaid nanny staff.
Kate: "As always, I will do whatever it takes to keep my family safe"
Except get off twitter.
Sam said: Many of you here have no idea what has been written about Ziggy and her children.
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That is true for me - I have no idea who this Ziggy person is, nor what has been written about her. Is she a fan of Kate? Have other Twitter users tweeted to Ziggy saying hurtful/hateful things? I have absolutely no idea.
However, I don't think you can sue a person for saying/tweeting mean things to you. The dictionary term for libel is "defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures." Slander, on the other hand, is a malicious or false statement by oral utterance. So if one person were accusing another of being a drug dealer, and did so in writing, as in a public tweet, then the person who was defamed could sue for libel.
But if a person said, "so and so is the ugliest woman I've ever seen," you can't really sue for that.
Anyway - I don't feel like getting involved in the drama of strangers any more than I have by observing the public antics of Kate Krieder. I hope this Ziggy has gone private with her twitter feed, any blogs she might have, her FB page, etc. The best way to shut down online bullies is by shutting them out of your online life and ignoring them. If you ignore them long enough, they lose steam and go looking for someone else to pester. What they really want is attention.
OT. But maybe not... My personal addiction used to be cookbooks. Never met one I didn't like. Heck... for relaxation, I would read cookbooks while soaking in the bathtub. Sheer nirvana, if you ask me. For years, my kitchen was almost half library with all my precious cookbooks, half "real" kitchen. Got rid of most of them when I decided to simplify my life in general, and my kitchen cleaning in particular. I've been using Internet ever since, beginning most of my researches with Allrecipes. Like someone here wrote earlier, the comments are always really very helpful if you want to tinker with the recipe a little, put an extra twist on it... It's almost as much fun as talking to other real life cooks, exchanging personal recipes, tricks and knowhow. I miss is the bathtub experience, though. That, and spending obscene amount of weekend time in the cookbooks section in libraries. Sigh... That was fuuunnn. And veryyyy expansive.
What about damages, though...if there is one plaintiff representing a group, and there are multiple defendants, how is it decided who gets what? Certainly the case isn't heard on an individual basis, and not every plaintiff would have the same claim of damages.
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Have you ever received a notice in the mail that a class action suit has been filed against an entity and you might be entitled to a portion of the settlement? I have gotten several of those over the years: one was a suit against Comcast; another was against Netflix, etc. I ended up getting a small check in each case, for less than $5.00. That represented my portion as an unnamed party to the class action suit. The named plaintiffs would receive a much larger share. The bulk most likely goes to the law firm that brought the lawsuit and fronted the costs.
The reason it's highly unlikely that any reputable firm would take on a class action suit brought by people claiming Kate bashers have maligned them somehow, is the large number of defendants. Most class action suits seem to have one big defendant (think cigarette manufacturer, drug manufacturer, cable company, etc.) and many plaintiffs. You would have to file in Federal Court because your defendants are scattered all over the country. You'd have to have each defendant served with the suit. Which district court would it be filed in? (I don't do District Court stuff, but what a nightmare to have multiple defendants, all living in a different state - and the judge trying to hold a case management conference.)
Again - the payoff has to be pretty large for a law firm to want to take on a class action suit. The firm fronts the costs (filing fees, service fees, subpoena costs to obtain records that would prove up their claims, deposition fees, expert witness fees, jury fees, on and on). Then if your defendants are Joe Schmoe with little to no assets, who cares if you win and get a judgment? Collecting on a judgment against a judgment-proof defendant is a losing proposition.
Seriously, this class action talk is nothing but hot air. Maybe they ought to start by trying to file a police report against the person or persons they think are harrassing, threatening, and/or otherwise breaking the law in their interactions with Kate Krieder. And the only person who can file such a report would be the "alleged victim" herself, Krieder. Not Bullyville. They are dumb asses.
Many of you here have no idea what has been written about Ziggy and her children.
Ziggy will be doing this for herself. I imagine most others will also.
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Then again, there are those who follow this saga who have an idea what was written about her and her children. Were there death threats? What would be the damages? I think that there are many who might not know what SHE wrote about some of the non-fans on her blog that was a total LIE and for which the person being defamed could have sued for libel.
It works both ways. And so it goes...
jolie Jacquelyn said... 198
Do you think all this publicity the so called "bullies" are creating will have a negative effect on Robert's book?
By the time it's finally released, he may come across as just another meanie picking on poor innocent Kate.
Too bad it's been such a long wait.
No, I think it will do the opposite and possibly cause interest in the book. IMO people will become curious why so many people dislike Kate so much and want to read it.
Diana
If it is indeed going to be a class action lawsuit then it will have to be Kate against the haters, correct? That's the only way it can work, I think. Unless someone wants to sue Twitter since that was how they were communicated to Kate.
I remember when TLC had Steve on, he mentioned her receiving death threats also. If it has been going on for that long, why a class action lawsuit then?
Kate Gosselin will join a class-action lawsuit against many people who have attacked and threatened her online a source close to the situation tells RadarOnline.com exclusively.
Kate tweeted strong support for the lawsuit Tuesday but stopped short of saying she would join it. But one source close to the situation tell Radar, “She is 100 percent in” and will be a plaintiff.
More here, if you're interested:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/kate-gosselin-joining-anti-bully-lawsuit-against-critics/
I haven't read anything posted since comments stopped last night, so I'm posting without reading the comments made this morning.
Generations ago, when our Government forced Native Americans onto reservations, and not allowing them to leave, they began the process of creating a dependent society...run by The Tribal Council and the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
Extreme poverty, unemployment, alcoholism, rape, sexual abuse, domestic violence and suicides is overwhelming on Reservations.
Robin's story was sad and depressing and upsetting, yet she is much better off than many on the Rez. Robin had a car, a job, a decent place to live. She also had the l
I believe attempting to understand Robin with no understanding of the real problems and/or Native American culture on the Rez won't work. It is very frustrating to deal with the culture of learned helplessness, combined with the Native American beliefs.
I am determined to not post any more on this subject. It is too frustrating to discuss on a superficial level. I do hope that if this story did anything, it would be to encourage everyone to do some googling.
How afraid of threats can she be?
Just a few months ago, she left her children to fly to an unknown location while an un-identified woman moved into her home.
That would be the least security conscious decision ever made.
Kate sees this a way of getting attention -- again. She is not standing up for justice and/or safety. She just sees her name and face on ROL and gets a thrill.
Maybe this class action threat is just a smoke screen. If Robert is their main concern maybe they will just go after him in the hopes that litigation will stall the republication of his book. I worked before.
Robert, if you're reading, I hope you are ready. By your tweets, I am assuming you are.
Kate has lost her mind. Withdraw from the public spotlight. Close your twitter. Go about your life. Easy peasy.
Here's the thing - Have you noticed that Kate is not suing these "haters" directly herself? She's allowing a third party site to make these lawsuit threats. Sure she'll support it. She has no problem jumping on the bandwagon, especially if someone else is doing all the work.
What's the view on Mr. McGibney (oops, almost types McGlibney) in the entertainment world? Frankly, I think his websites are revenge bullying at their best, despite all his protestations of only wanting to do good. Tit for tat, eye for an eye, etc. is really a mature way to handle your problems.
Susie Cincinnati said... 186
Who pays the lawyers in a class action suit? The answer is the winning complaintants. The lawyers don't charge anything if you lose but rake in a good 1/3 of what you win.
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So all class actions are done on a contingency basis, much like personal injury lawsuits?
What about damages, though...if there is one plaintiff representing a group, and there are multiple defendants, how is it decided who gets what? Certainly the case isn't heard on an individual basis, and not every plaintiff would have the same claim of damages.
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Please understand I have never been to law school. I can only tell you what has gone on with friends of mine, and I may not know the whole story. Anyway, the idea behind a class action suit is that you were harmed (by X because it was leaking toxic fumes from its
containers.) Complaints were ignored. Your neighbor was also harmed by those fumes, but not as much as you were. It turns out 10,286 people have been harmed by those same fumes from chemicals in barrels just like those in many communities. Finally, a lawyer steps in and sets up a class action suit. The agreement is that everyone gets the same amount. If you want more than everyone else is getting, go file your own suit. If you don't want to be part of it, you get nothing out of it. If the case is won, the ($10,000,000) is shared between the (10,286) people who chose to participate, with the law firm skimming of the top 33.3% right off the top before anyone else sees a dime.
$10,000,000 divided by 10,286 less 1/3 of the total award.
In some cases, the promise is that the payoff will be a certain percent, such as 400% of the actual cost to the complaintants. All that money comes from Company X, who either shrugs its shoulders and considers it a mere bump in the road, or files an appeal. It can go on for literally YEARS.
There has to be provable, documented HARM. You have to be physically harmed, mentally harmed,
left without income, etc. You don't enter into a class action suit when setting a brown paper sack of doggie doo on fire on your enemy's front porch will do. ;-)
Have you ever received a notice in the mail that a class action suit has been filed against an entity and you might be entitled to a portion of the settlement? I have gotten several of those over the years: one was a suit against Comcast; another was against Netflix, etc. I ended up getting a small check in each case, for less than $5.00.
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Of course. Many of them! I never received more than a hundred dollars. The difference, though, the suits were against just ONE entity. I imagine it would be much more complicated if you have many plaintiffs and many defendants, each claiming different damages. If a company, as a defendant, is found to charge you for an insurance fee on a bill to which you never authorized, the damages are universal and the settlement is divided equally. In the case of Kate and the lawsuit, the complexity of the suit itself would be great.
"I hope this Ziggy has gone private with her twitter feed, any blogs she might have, her FB page, etc."
Are you serious? That is the answer. Get off the internet. I truly am shaking my head.
Kate - you're being really stupid. Plain and simple. You have aligned yourself with someone who behaves like a middle schooler. Is that really how you want to be seen by the general public? Do you really want all the tweets that your fans have posted over the years against your ex-husband to be called into evidence, tweets that you supported by either retweeting them yourself or by your silence? Your fans have been just as cruel and have made threats against Jon and you did nothing to voice your disapproval. Do you really want to be held accountable for that?
I think the comments some people have made about both you, Jon and your family have crossed the line many times, although to be fair I don't use Twitter very much and I haven't read the exact tweets in question, just going off of what's been posted here and what I've seen posted on pro Kate and anti Kate websites.
But I will say I find it most reprehensible that you are only concerned about what they say about you. Being against bullying means being against ALL bullying. You don't just get to conveniently pick and choose who you support and who you don't, including the father of your children. Your silence says volumes about your true motives and feelings.
You want to know what you can do to make things better? Disassociate yourself from Bullyville. Stand up and say "Enough. If you don't like me, you're entitled to your opinion. If you disagree with my lifestyle choices, fine. However, I will not tolerate anyone threatening me, my children or my ex-husband. If you do so, I will log your tweets and will report you to the proper authorities. Fans, Jon is off limits as well. I would be a hypocrite if I criticized how people treat me and the things they say about me but gave you tacit approval to attack Jon in the same way. I have moved on with my life. Jon has moved on with his. You need to all move on as well. Let's talk about positive things only. If you can't do that, I will block you, fan or non-fan. I will take my Twitter private. It's up to you. Behave or don't. But I've had enough and I'm not going to take it anymore."
Kate is bound and determined to make people like her even if it means suing them into submission.
Millicent, all of your points are spot-on. And federal judges don't screw around. This is going nowhere.
Silimom, that was a great and sensible post!
Remona, I can sense your frustration with the treatment of native peoples. If you are speaking from experience as one, or helping with their cause, I admire your courage and stamina. Life sure dealt the Natives a rotten hand of cards, same in Canada.I agree one story will not present anywhere near a complete understanding of the demoralization of the Natives of this land.
Admin, I do appreciate your willingness to take responsibility when anything crossed the line for even an hour or two.
As a fan of Tony Dovolani of Dancing With The Stars fame, can we now expect Ms Kreider to tweet him an apology for how mean and ungrateful a student she was to him? We all saw the video Ms Kreider, you were mean and nasty to him and did not do the work required and you also stared at those judges like you could do them bodily harm while they were giving you higher scores than you deserved because they knew you were not a pro.
Wynonna got some harsh critiques Monday night. SHE had the grace to say the judges were right. She will be missed next week. She was nice. She worked hard. She appreciated having Tony as a teacher.
The entire world could apologize to Ms Kreider. It would not make her nicer, or happier, or talented, or mentally healthy.
Dmasy said...
Kate sees this a way of getting attention -- again. She is not standing up for justice and/or safety. She just sees her name and face on ROL and gets a thrill.
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That is how it appears to me too. I think she is sitting there seal clapping and screeching goodie goodie saved from obscurity once more! If this lawsuit is for real, she is going to have a lot of 'splainin to do concerning security issues with the children. I don't think she's thought that far ahead.
In the meantime, this bullyville thing should offer up at least a talk show appearance or two which will satiate her appetite for attention, for a little while anyway.
Admin, well done. You have shown integrity and class, unlike many others involved with the Gosselin saga.
Terri said... 21
Kate is bound and determined to make people like her even if it means suing them into submission.
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lol! Yes that should do it. She's going to happy up her haterz.
Kate will never take her twitter private. If she goes private she loses the "vreified" check mark. Being "verified" seems to be important to her as she has mentioned it on more that one occasion when people have asked if she's really Kate Gosselin. Without being verified, in her mind, she is nothing.
Now the fan who has/had the huge hole in her heart that was never operated on is joining in the lawsuit.
Do they allow popcorn in courtrooms?
If the video is so offensive, why did Bullyville have it available for viewing on their website? Slightly hypocritical, don't you think?
The letter Admin wrote is a good one. Funny though, I've been on this blog for several years and I don't even remember the offendng video. That is good thing. I don't need to.
It sounds to me (what do I know about class action law suits, though) that other than legitimate death threats, which if there were any should be handled by the police, that this case boils down to a question of free speech.
Unless I'm missing something I'd think the very people who are the most prolific twitter and blog commenters on BOTH sides would be the last to want their right to express themselves limited or taken away altogether. Do they really want a court to decide who they can tweet or how many times or limit the subject of blogs or videos or music lyrics?
As has been mentioned SO many times before, if you don't like the comments you're getting on twitter, block the person. If you don't like the comments you're getting on a blog, don't continue to go back and read it and especially don't continue to engage in the rhetoric that is so common nowadays thanks to social media.
Both sides engaged in twitter and blog insults and both sides gave as good as they got. It seems awfully disingenuous for some to be crying foul when they're as guilty as the next. Just as with Bullyville bullying, 2 wrongs don't make a right and neither does blog and twitter wars. (TY Admin for not allowing that to take place here) What's that about judge not, lest ye be judged?
And, all this for Kate Gosselin. sigh
Admin, I just read your gracious apology regarding the video.
(I am one of the many who never saw it or heard of it until the recent exposure.)
I will follow Administrator's outstanding example.
Hey Kate, I have posted some unkind comments about you.
I wasn't very classy or thoughtful.
Now, could you please fade into obscurity before my sense of humor is tempted to type another snarky remark?
When she's asked in court what measures she's taken to protect her kids, what is she going to say - "I planted bushes and locked the treehouse"?
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Silimom, if only...
Yes, a very gracious apology. Now everyone can move on. Except Kate, she is bat shit crazy and has yet to consider the ramifications of this lawsuit nonsense on anyone but herself. And maybe even herself, she is clueless, just clueless. Poor kids, another embarrassing episode in their lives.
Joy in VA said, "The entire world could apologize to Ms Kreider. It would not make her nicer, or happier, or talented, or mentally healthy."
You are so correct.
If we thought it would help her children, we would get in one long line and grovel with apologies.
She will never understand that she invited all these negative reactions.
She provoked extraordinary responses from ordinary people.
I have made many negative comments about Khate but I stand by what I wrote and will not apologize- not for one bit of it! I have not used profanity and I have not attacked a sheeple personally. I do not owe Khate an apology at all! My comments were formed by my own opinion of "her". I also do not follow Khate on twitter or go to "her" bog sites.
That my3_bordercollies person on Twitter needs to step back a bit. She's starting to look like a needy, whiny fool with her "they did this, they did that to me" tweets. And suggesting that Sue Buddy needs to be found and brought into this. Why? Because she wrote some mean articles against Queen Kate? Get a grip, fans. Get a grip.
Admin, I thought your post about the video was thoughtful and honest. Thank you for being the first and only voice of maturity and reason in this whole debacle.
Give this about a week and you won't hear anymore about this from Kate. She seems to jump into things without much thought and then when she does it's like "Oh my bad." I am totally convinced now more than ever that she does not have anyone advising her.
Admin, I join the others complimenting you on your honest and thoughtful apology for the video you made years ago. As you said, you deleted the video when you realized it was a mistake. That should have been the end of it...but it wasn't. Your public apology was commendable. Well done!
Admin, your apology was dignified and perceptive. Well done.
Bravo!
If only Kate would apologize to her children for the many humiliating videos on the internet. i.e. vomit fest, constipation, potty training...
Very classy and well-said apology. I am pround to be a member here. The comment rules says it all about this blog. The whole bully thing has gotten out of control. Some of the tweets they are posting as "proof" predates B-ville which began in 4/2012. This tells me some of K8's rabid fans have been stalking anyone who criticizes Kate and they went to B-ville with the agenda being the insane hater/fan war, not K8. I think Milo is in deep too. She is the one that kept sending DMs to Kate in the last few months. You can only send a DM if they follow you.
I thought the video was in poor taste and completely hypocritical therefore I thought it was great to apologize. Even though two years late.
Anon for this
Ok, so Admin wrote a gracious apology for something that had been taken down and apparently not seen by very many people.
Now, thanks to BV, LOTS of people have seen it.
Where's their apology? Who has done the done the most damage re: the video? BV or Admin?
Where's Kate's apology for allowing people to tweet horrendous things about Jon and never asking them to stop?
AuntieAnn said... 45
Admin, your apology was dignified and perceptive. Well done.
Ditto!
Admin, that was a very gracious apology; kudos to you. I, too, had no idea about any video that was on this sight until today. But you listened to the viewpoints and opinions of others and removed it entirely. Good for you for doing the right thing.
I read on this blog somewhere (but can't find it now to quote) that this entire mess is because KK knows something we don't know about Robert and his book. I agree, and said so yesterday when we discovered Robert had deleted his archived blogs. At the time, I said that I had a gut feeling that he had 'cleared the deck' of his book in order to start over with the re-release of his book.
Someone else posted a timeline that showed the news of Robert's pending re-release was followed with KK's hook up with Bullyville. It seems so obvious to anyone with a lick of sense that KK will do anything she can to discredit Robert before his re-done book Good for Robert...his tweets to Bullyville made it clear that he will not back down.
This is NOT going to end well for KK.
OT on more positive tho sad note: the producers of Buckwold, a company called Parallel productions had stated they will cover the cost of Shain Gandees funeral expenses. Shains cousin is still planning a fund raising mud bogging event and the funds raised will go to cover funeral costs of Shains uncle and a friend who also died in his truck from carbon monoxide, when the tailpipe became blocked with mud. This is a terribly sad story, but three production company did not have to help. It is a very decent and considerate thing they are doing for the family.
Do you think that Kate realizes that she will have to file the lawsuit on her own behalf? And pay the tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees that she would occur? Maybe she thinks that BV will pay for her. How about the other people jumping on the bandwagon, do they realize that they would also be responsible for a portion of the legal fees? And just because you win, does not mean you will collect any money.
Remona said:
I believe attempting to understand Robin with no understanding of the real problems and/or Native American culture on the Rez won't work. It is very frustrating to deal with the culture of learned helplessness, combined with the Native American beliefs.
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thank you Remona - and I agree. I think there is such a vast history that has contributed to the current culture on most reservations, and I definitely do not have any grasp on the scope of that history. Sadly, I think the film's maker might have done a better job at providing some context and background, so that the average viewer would begin to ask more questions and seek more answers rather than have my knee jerk reaction of "what is this woman thinking?!"
I'm sure the producer didn't mean to leave a lot of viewers with reinforced stereotypes, but unfortunately, he may have done just that.
I appreciate the comments you did make, and am sorry that this opened such a painful door for you at the same time. Take care Remona.
I forgot to add this but I don't have the foggiest notion what they're talking about with lawyers threatening to stop them from posting the video. I never did that. I wouldn't waste my money. I didn't even know what they were talking about until it was posted. So either they're lying or someone else sent a lawyer.
Breaking news from Kate's Twitter:
One of the kids saw an oppossum and wanted to keep it. Fans thrilled and overjoyed.
Nice apology, Administrator.
No word of understanding to Kendra W. from her dear friend Kate? I would think Kate would show her friend some, oh, I don't know, FRIENDSHIP. Maybe Kate's too busy with other things today.
Admin...64,
I'm sure someone who legally keeps all his ducks in a row wouldn't outright lie. Perhaps he was confused by the communication from the Sheep who sent him the video?
Admin., I stand with the others here concerning your apology. Well done.
Ditto to what Dmasy said @34.
I didn't see the video when it was posted here and I won't seek it out to watch it becasue I just don't care enough.
Kate, I truly am sorry that you don't seem to have a clue.
Sam said... 19
"I hope this Ziggy has gone private with her twitter feed, any blogs she might have, her FB page, etc."
Are you serious? That is the answer. Get off the internet. I truly am shaking my head.
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Sam, Why did you ask if I was serious? The answer is yes, I was. I don't know who Ziggy is, but any person who has a public FB page or Twitter account and is bothered or harrassed by strangers should go private.
I did NOT say "get off the internet." I said, make your internet stuff private. I have a Facebook page. Only friends can see my page or post on it. I don't have a Twitter account. Is there a way to make it private, so only friends can see your tweets? If so, that's what I would do.
I ran a single moms forum group awhile ago. Most of the site was open to the general public, but we had one section that was restricted to members only. It wasn't a complicated process.
I think you should slow down and carefully read the comments, because you totally missed the point of mine.
I hope someone has saved all the horrendous comments made to Jon....I am sure they have erased them. Maybe Bully should take a look at those.
I also think there is a lot more in Robert's book and she is desperate. Maybe about the money and where it is and the truth about her and Stevie.
With all the threats of lawsuits flying around do you think that Kate's lawyers will sue us for calling them Laverne & Shirley and do you think that Laverne & Shirley will sue us for calling them lawyers? What a world!
fidosmommy, Kate tweeted support to her last night after someone pointed out to her that Kendra quit.
LoveMyGrandsons said... 52
Admin, that was a very gracious apology; kudos to you. I, too, had no idea about any video that was on this sight until today. But you listened to the viewpoints and opinions of others and removed it entirely. Good for you for doing the right thing.
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Same here.
Millicent said... 56
''Sadly, I think the film's maker might have done a better job at providing some context and background, so that the average viewer would begin to ask more questions and seek more answers rather than have my knee jerk reaction of "what is this woman thinking?!".....I appreciate the comments you did make, and am sorry that this opened such a painful door for you at the same time.''
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Thank you for understanding my point. This documentary wasn't actually ''painful'' for me....it simply jerked to the surface my frustration with the conditions on the Rez, and my overwhelming rage at the people responsible for not only creating the disgraceful mess, but that they are continuing to do things generations later that are not doing more to correct the problems.
As I said before, I hope that some of the people that watched the documentary will do some research and ''seek more answers''.
Add me to the list of posters here who never heard of nor saw the video referred to in Admin's apology post. However, Admin demonstrates why this blog is so long-lasting and popular - it is run with real class.
It takes a big person to apologize. I didn't realize the video they were talking about was one that you had done. Kudos to you.
Marie
OK, who else should be targeted for being a bully???
Jimmy Fallon for the paparazzi dance?
Anderson Cooper for the Rediculist?
Andy Cohen for naming her as a Jackhole?
Any late night host that ever made a joke about her?
Any negative article that was ever written about her?
Makeup, costume and hair on DWTS?
What about Polly for reporting on what went on at the corn maze?
The list could go on and on and on and on...
You forgot Katie Couric for her hysterical Katie plus 80 video. I demand an apology.
Why do we need lawyers, cops, etc? Isn't The
Sheriff around anymore?
There's no way Kate will go to court. If she did, any decent attorney would skewer her. I still think this is about Robert - deflecting from what's to come. It's meant to put her in a poor, little me light and garner support. Sheesh, if she was feeling so litigious, why didn't she sue Robert? Well, we know the answer to that. And I don't see anything at all coming of this. Once fans like Ziggy and Goody and CJ are deposed, that's the end of the case. They've been as file and defamatory as any of the haterz.
OT:
I love Call the Midwife, too!
Thanks for letting me know that Kate tweeted
Kendra.
Kate, I apologize for believing (or assuming) you had not. I misjudged you on that.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 30
Now the fan who has/had the huge hole in her heart that was never operated on is joining in the lawsuit.
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Hahahaha! I don't know why but this cracked me up! This fan is beyond redemption - with more Internet names than I have fingers and toes along with myriad medical issues that seem to come and go. Wasn't the latest that she has a broken arm? She's a damn good one-armed typist!
fidosmommy said... 74
Why do we need lawyers, cops, etc? Isn't The
Sheriff around anymore?
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Oh, I think there's a new Sheriff in town. lol
Didn't Kate say she was going to shoot Jon when he forgot to use the coupon for the shower nozzle?
Seems like a pretty severe threat for something so minor.
How about the judges on DWTS? How dare they criticize Kate? Especially Bruno for calling her a shopping cart. Bullies one and all!
I am feeling a little misunderstood here. Not arguing with anyone and not addressing anyone specifically or disagreeing with anecdotal statements. Nothing is a given and AA never makes recommendations about the details of how people choose to live their lives. Attending meetings, working the steps, sponsorship, a higher power of one's understanding and giving back to other's in the program--those are the suggestions for getting sober. Period. There are people who came into the program owning bars and restaurants. It may not be realistic financially to get rid of them, so they need to work a strong program.
My reference to kidnapping people off of barstools is a historical reference. The founder regularly brought home drunks to live in their home because the belief was that the ONLY way to stay sober was to actively seek out drunks (their word, not mine). That idea is now practiced more artfully, but the essence is the same in modern AA rooms. I haven't watched the documentary yet, so I was not at all commenting on what Robin should or shouldn't do.
From the comments here, sounds like there are some cultural influences in play--as Remona was discussing. The Farmer woman (can't remember her name) had a lot of integrity and honesty that was probably in either her home, community, school or church. From what Remona has said, it sounds like residents of the reservation have many challenges and there haven't been many positive role models in her life. It takes hitting bottom for most people to become sober. Maybe Robin hasn't hit bottom. It takes a lot of courage and humility to face up to an addiction.
Anonymous said... 71
It takes a big person to apologize. I didn't realize the video they were talking about was one that you had done. Kudos to you.
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I agree. Well done, Admin.
AuntieAnn said... 79
Didn't Kate say she was going to shoot Jon when he forgot to use the coupon for the shower nozzle?
Seems like a pretty severe threat for something so minor
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I wonder if Jon can join in the lawsuit and sue Kate for telling him to stop breatings?
The person who apologized thru ROL is now being attacked for her apology being insincere and not good enough. What do these people want? Blood? I thought that is what Bullyville tries to prevent...someone shedding their own blood over being bullied?
Or is this group just using a "cause" for financial gain and media attention? Something seems "off" with their tactics.
Oops, the above should have been "breathing."
Now people are complaining that the apologies aren't sincere. Can you imagine these people in a courtroom? I'd pay to see it.
I had no idea that video existed, but thanks to the BV site I was able to access it with ease. Good call on pulling it two years ago and owning the mistake.
Do you think Kate and her co-plaintiffs actually think this class action lawsuit is going to happen? Do they have a vague clue about the legal issues involved? A judge needs to certify as a class action to even make it one. They can't just say they're doing it and that's that.
If Kate had a legitimate lawsuit, I think her Los Angeles attorneys would have filed it by now.
This is "Twitter War" is crazier than fiction.
I wonder when MsGoody will apologize to Jon and Ellen for all the harassment she's done? That's what I am waiting for.
Tweet-le - oh breathing. I thought you might have meant beratings. How about both? lol!
I finished watching the doc. While I was intrigues, i found it very sad. Robin is trying so hard but it seems she is swimming against the current of her past. I hope Darian has a brighter future- she seems intelligent, has many interests, is resilient and open to being a survivor. Anthony I'm not as sure- he does not have that spark his sister has. They are close,luckily. I wish this family all the best.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 84
Now people are complaining that the apologies aren't sincere. Can you imagine these people in a courtroom? I'd pay to see it.
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What do they want? "Dear Ms G, It behooves me to apologize for besmirching your impeccable reputation"?
A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said... 68
LoveMyGrandsons said... 52
Admin, that was a very gracious apology; kudos to you. I, too, had no idea about any video that was on this sight until today. But you listened to the viewpoints and opinions of others and removed it entirely. Good for you for doing the right thing.
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Same here.
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Ditto that.
I can hear this courtroom drama now:
Ms. Googy2Heels, you sent a tweet to SooperPoddyPie on February 43rd. Then it was retweeted to HispanicGraceland the next day, am I correct?
It sounds like an updated game of Clue.
AuntieAnn said... 88
Tweet-le - oh breathing. I thought you might have meant beratings. How about both? lol!
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LOL. There ya go. He's got two things to sue her for...for starters.
And as for what do the fans want...their heads! Vigilante justice.
Some of the haters on Twitter really do go to far. It stops being funny; no one is laughing. If you dislike a celeb on Twitter, don't follow them - be it truly following them by clicking follow or reading their tweets on twazzup. There's no need to tweet hate.
Shelly
kateplusmy8
@BullyVille @chancertheboxer This is WONDERFUL news!!!!! Think of all the emotional turmoil that so many will be spared going forward!
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Oh, Kate, Kate, Kate. Perhaps, you're just catching up on your tweets, but Bullyville is calling her apology insincere. I'm not sure you got the memo.
"Or is this group just using a "cause" for financial gain and media attention? Something seems "off" with their tactics."
I couldn't agree more! It'll be interesting to see where this goes....
It takes a big person to apologize. I didn't realize the video they were talking about was one that you had done. Kudos to you.
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I was thinking about this on our way to dinner. It would have been a tough call to make the decision to apologize or ignore it. On the one hand, you don't want to look like you're giving in to what could be perceived as blackmail since an ultimatum was given, and you were bullied into an apology. On the other hand, you don't want to appear to look the other way and not care. Good call, admin...it makes YOU look like the bigger person. Very well written, covered all bases...excellent.
What I don't believe that person understands is that the video was pulled and buried. Not many remember it, and who knows if Kate and her family were aware of it. But by dragging it up again and putting it out there, he is doing essentially what he is claiming others have done -- it's a form of harassment by linking the video for all to see. Why do it NOW? It's like all of the sheeple who just keep bringing up Hannah's unnerwears over and over again. It was embarrassing the first time -- why keep harping on how cute it is? Let it be done and over with. Why call more attention to the video, especially after two years have elapsed?
I didn't watch the video and have no plans to do so, but will someone please point me in the direction of Admin's gracious apology?
I wonder when MsGoody will apologize to Jon and Ellen for all the harassment she's done? That's what I am waiting for.
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Or when Sherri threatened to blow up Jon's car and burn down the house? He could have made a big stink over that statement, but he let it go. Good for him, the high road taker.
Is this class action going to also be against all of the tabloids, the online articles, and all of those who bash her in the comments sections? The attorneys are really going to have their work cut out for them!
I was reading on the comment section of something Kate related, and the haters are relentless. There are a few who just won't shut up. They have lost all perspective. A little snark goes a long way, really. I have a picture in my head of what their faces look like while they are typing what they type.
Anonymous said... 94
Some of the haters on Twitter really do go to far. It stops being funny; no one is laughing. If you dislike a celeb on Twitter, don't follow them - be it truly following them by clicking follow or reading their tweets on twazzup. There's no need to tweet hate.
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I couldn't agree more. I have never understood the whole Twitter thing at all. If it's true that one "hater" tweeted over 70,000 tweets to Kate, that baffles me even more than Kate's behavior.
Laurie said... 72
OK, who else should be targeted for being a bully???
Jimmy Fallon for the paparazzi dance?
Anderson Cooper for the Rediculist?
Andy Cohen for naming her as a Jackhole?
Any late night host that ever made a joke about her?
Any negative article that was ever written about her?
Makeup, costume and hair on DWTS?
What about Polly for reporting on what went on at the corn maze?
The list could go on and on and on and on...
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Who's next hmmm?
Tony Dovolani: for not knowing how to teach her.
Kevin & Jodi: For wanting to help the kids.(how dare they)
Hugh Heffner: for not wanting KK in Playboy (how could he not)
Kathy Griffin: For making fun of her and the tummy tuck scars.
Taylor Swift: From making fun of the mullet.
Jamie: How dare she tell KK off on the RV trip
Steve: How dare he not stay her boob guard.
Ashely: How dare she be sick of KK being dramatic.
TLC: How dare they fire their star.
CC: How dare they fire their all some coupon mom.
Rock&Roll Marathons; How dare they not promote KK.
AuntieAnn said... 35
When she's asked in court what measures she's taken to protect her kids, what is she going to say - "I planted bushes and locked the treehouse"?
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And I hire a bodyguard to keep her safe I mean the kids safe.
All I can say is that I believe Robin to be stronger than you make her out to be. Of course she has made bad choices, who hasn't? The fact that she has held on to her sobriety in the midst of everything is awe-inspiring to me. How many of you behind your screens can say you would make perfect life choices when dealing with the memories that obviously will haunt her until her last days? I have been a victim of a very painful childhood, which is why I was initially pulled to this blog. A mutual disdain for all Kate stands for, exploitation of her children for a means of survival. As I write this I think all of you are just a little too bias in your opinion of Robin, just trying to survive when all hope has been lost. But doing it for her kids, perhaps none of you really know what that's like.
fidosmommy said... 92
I can hear this courtroom drama now:
Ms. Googy2Heels, you sent a tweet to SooperPoddyPie on February 43rd. Then it was retweeted to HispanicGraceland the next day, am I correct?
It sounds like an updated game of Clue.
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LOL, just what I was thinking.
I don't think BV realized he's stepped into a 6 year long war between fans and non fans when he suggested others join in the lawsuit.
Well, I finally finished watching "Kind Hearted Woman".
Thank you for recommending it, Administrator.
I wish Robin,and her family nothing but the best in life.
Our Native Americans deserve better treatment.
I hope this documentary brings a positive change
for the nation.
Improbable Dreams said... 98
I didn't watch the video and have no plans to do so, but will someone please point me in the direction of Admin's gracious apology?
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Improbable Dreams, click the header on top of this page. It will direct you to the front page. There you will find the apology.
Paige C @Paige_Kate8fan 2h
@BullyVille @kateplusmy8 it's a relief to know I won't be bullied for supporting a hard working single mom!
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Do these people actually think because one person took down her twitter account, the whole "bullying' thing will stop? When one drops out, how soon will it be before another steps in to fill the Twitter void?
Paige is complaining because she was called butchy. So, join the class action suit. When you are asked your damages, you say, "but your honor, someone called me a name. I suffered emotional abuse, I'm depressed, can't sleep, lost my job, etc. etc."
Put on your big girl pants and get over it. You're young, and not everything in this world will be all roses and sunshine.
Kate tweeted, after her hero bullyville, said that an account of a hater was closed:
@BullyVille @chancertheboxer This is WONDERFUL news!!!!! Think of all the emotional turmoil that so many will be spared going forward!
I'll go along with that. The person who took down her account tweeted the most disgusting vile insulting comments directly to Kate and harassed other fans. I'd try to skim over them, but felt like that one needed her mouth washed out with soap.
What's to prevent her from simply opening a new account?
It doesn't really matter what others think of whatever apologies have been made. The apology is between the giver and the receiver.
I don't think BV realized he's stepped into a 6 year long war between fans and non fans when he suggested others join in the lawsuit.
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Exactly, Tweet-le. I was just thinking the same thing. He thinks that all the guilt is on the back of the haters. He has no idea what has transpired in this war -- how the sheeple have harassed the non-fans with outings, and in how much deep doo-doo the Defective Detective is in. But I think he's going to find out. He goes ahead with the lawsuit, and can bet you a dollar to donuts, all of that is going to come out in discovery. Do they really want to go there, especially if discovery shows the part the sheeple played in accessing personal information and threatening to hack into bank information, social securitiy numbers, contacting employers, and publishing credit card information?
He has opened up a can of worms now that can't be closed.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 108
It doesn't really matter what others think of whatever apologies have been made. The apology is between the giver and the receiver.
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True, but I still think it was well-done. And the Hustler V Falwell...interesting reference. Non-fans have nothing on that!
A little snark goes a long way, really. I have a picture in my head of what their faces look like while they are typing what they type.
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Does it involve foaming at the mouth?
You know i have to say, it kind of annoys me that it's not as easy as 1,2,3 to contact Twitter and get them to take down a malicious account like that. According to what everyone has said here they are almost non-reponsive to such requests. I have heard the same exact thing about Facebook. That parents of children being bullied have to fight tooth and nail to get Palo Alto to do ANYTHING. In contrast, it's much easier to report complaints to things like Blogger and Youtube, which incidentally are owned by Google I believe, and they will ACT, immediately.
I think half of this mess never would have even happened if legitimately harassing twitter accounts could easily be shut down.
In light of all this "stuff" going on now, I just want to say that after having watched a number of episodes of Jon and Kate plus 8, I came to the conclusion that Kate was mean and emotionally abusive. That is my opinion based on what I saw. After I came to that conclusion, I googled "Kate Gosselin is a bitch" and I found a number of sites where people thought the same thing. Everything I've read and seen of her supports my conclusion that I came to from seeing her in her show. I also read Robert's book and nothing surprised me in it. I believe him. That is my opinion that I am entitled to have.
Kate really has lost any kind of common sense. And her mind.
Before saying oh yes I support any and all lawsuits absolutely, any rational person would want to know the following: What is the lawsuit going to allege, who will be involved, who are you suing, who will pay for it, what will be said about me, who will be in charge? What is meant by a "class action" lawsuit (hey aren't things like that typically more for a big group of people suing drug companies and things like that?) and where will it be filed, here in PA or elsewhere? What is the long-term plan for how much effort will be made and what results do we expect? What is our "harm" and how will we prove it? What damages are we asking for? What about our own abdominal behavior, is there any chance we could be countersued?
Does she ask any of these OBVIOUS questions that we all asked this morning? No, of course not. I fear for these kids.
How about the judges on DWTS? How dare they criticize Kate? Especially Bruno for calling her a shopping cart. Bullies one and all!
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Or when he referred to the wonderful memories he had performing with Elton John in the South of France, and she turned it into a nightmare. Better lawyer up, Bruno...they're coming to get you!
Same goes for Carrie Ann. She slammed Kate when she said she's never seen anyone who had no self awareness. Don't criticize Kate -- you'll up in a courtroom.
Abdominal=abominable. LOL thanks autocorrect. Although it does turn my stomach.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 112
Abdominal=abominable. LOL thanks autocorrect. Although it does turn my stomach
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Thought you were making fun of her tummy tuck! #bully ;)
The comments on ROL and tweets mention death threats. When was this death threat levied against Kate and/or the kids? I must really be out of the loop, but I never saw a death threat.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 108
It doesn't really matter what others think of whatever apologies have been made. The apology is between the giver and the receiver.
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I honestly don't think that the Kate fans want this to end. They are addicted to this massive train wreck that is called Twitter just as much as the Kate haters are. If it all ends, then what will they do?
Marie
SCgal said... 113
In light of all this "stuff" going on now, I just want to say that after having watched a number of episodes of Jon and Kate plus 8, I came to the conclusion that Kate was mean and emotionally abusive. That is my opinion based on what I saw. After I came to that conclusion, I googled "Kate Gosselin is a bitch" and I found a number of sites where people thought the same thing. Everything I've read and seen of her supports my conclusion that I came to from seeing her in her show. I also read Robert's book and nothing surprised me in it. I believe him. That is my opinion that I am entitled to have.
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I'm afraid I have to agree with your opinion. I don't think you can get sued for an opinion.
Marie
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy844m
RT @SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 I'm going to buy some cookbooks and donate to a local women's shelter.
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It would be really special and wonderful if Kate would just donate the cookbooks herself. She hasn't a clue.
Marie
Local lol yes I'm sure that case goes right over "let's file a defendant heavy 'class action' law suit's head. I echo what others have said that you can't just say okay we are a class and here is our class action! God how stupid are these people? A class action will rise and fall based on whether the judge will certify the class, not to mention all the other specific requirements. They need an experienced class action lawyer who knows what they are doing. Who is their attorney of record? Why does no fan ask these questions?? As the OP said the only good thing is now we know there CAN be a plaintiff class, LOL.
Next I'll be accused of implying Kate and a goat are doing something not for children's eyes. Little Hustler v. Fawell reference. I do appreciate the support, I just mean when people want to say it's insincere, they can say that, but it's really none of their business. I was between a rock and a hard place. I would have rather been able to apologize when it's warranted without third parties involved, but that's how life goes sometimes.
Back to Kind Hearted Woman, at one point they were on a Canadian Reservation. Are they much different than U.S. Reservations or pretty much the same? Do they have ICWA i.e. they can interfere in custody battles? I so appreciate Remona sharing what she knows with such restraint and respect. I'd love for her to cut loose and tell us all but I understand she feels she can't. This is such an important issue that just isn't on anyone's minds IMO.
I like what people have been saying about the context. In defense of Robin showing just this out of context picture of life without really explaining Reservation life, the history, the attitudes, her background, the kids' background, how custody battles typically work, and on and on, I also agree leaves the average viewer angry and confused.
I still can't get over how much Leeann bent over backwards for Robin and Robin spit it back in her face. She gave her raises, more hours, and did you catch this, she put her in a position in which Robin had NO experience other than her own personal experience! Who does that but the most generous, kind employer and you should be down on your knees grateful and willing to do ANYTHING she wants, anything. Is this a self sabotage thing? When things are going great and people are on your side you can't handle it and screw it up? I have seen that and it breaks my heart.
If Kate thinks the threats or lawsuits will make Robert Hoffman back down, I think she is sorely mistaken. Hoffman is a tough guy, and he has her journals. He knows he can do her a lot more harm than she can do to him. She links up with Bullyville, thinking they can label Hoffman a bully and discredit him, but it's going to backfire. There's a lot of information that Hoffman has not released, and if he is pushed, it will all come out. All he has to do is turn the accusations back on her, start quoting her own words, and she is through. Hoffman owns what he says. He already stole Bullyville's thunder by outing himself. You can just hear him saying, "Bring it on!" He put himself out there on his own terms. He has nerve, and he isn't going to back down. She should stop for a minute and think abut whether she really wants to do this. I can guarantee that at some point, some lawyer is going to ask her under oath if the journals are her actual words, and she can't lie. They can go page by page through all of her journals, and she will have to answer truthfully to everything. And then everyone will know. No more hiding, no more avoiding the issue and letting her fans make excuses for her. Once she has to answer to it all, who is going to feel sorry for her? Nobody. She'll be publicly outed as a child beater. When she goes out in public and people look at her, she'll know that they know she abused her babies. People at Target will be thinking that. People at church. She can't escape once it's out there.
"... theft & documented stalking."
Huh? What is he referring to?
What about our own abdominal behavior, is there any chance we could be countersued?
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That is what should scare the heck out of them.
I never saw a death threat either except the one saying Jon should be in a car accident. Where is the apology for that? Also where is my apology from the sheeple for saying that I tried to use this web site as a front to get people to donate to pay my student loan? Utter falsehood and libelous, NEVER. I don't care for an apology, but it's worth pointing out the hypocrisy. The whole thing gets rather silly after awhile when you start playing tit for tat all the time. Just put on your good bra and let it go. Dredging up things from two years ago just calls MORE attention to it, how can they not see that?
If Kate has a death threat why would she wait around for a class action lawsuit that could take six years? Get on the phone and call police. Idiot.
Well there you go, a new reality series called Twitter Wars and Kate can be judge and jury. He tweeted- she tweeted - they retweeted! Milo can be her court clerk.
I always hated the excuse for bad behavior "well she put herself out there; she has to expect criticism". Just because someone on TV is behaving badly in one way does not make it OK for the critics to behave badly in their criticism online.
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I'm not sure that's exactly what people are saying. I do believe in if you want to present yourself as a public figure people have every right to criticize--but it should be done in a manner that does not intimidate, harass or crosses the line, absolutely. There's an even extra level with Kate though. Not only did she just put herself out there but she has tried to sell herself as a good parent and mother and has tried to make millions off parenting and most notably her children.
Especially when you are trying to make money off kids expect criticism and lots of it. Kate herself even admits that she put herself out there and her family.
There is an easy alternative in that you can always get a different job and not work your kids. 99% of America choses to do things not in the public eye and 99% of kids do not have to ever go to work until they are at least 15 years old. I firmly believe most people would not want this life. In fact there is actually a legit study out there that says the public eye attracts a disproportionate number of narcissists. THey love the attention even negative attention, as unhealthy as that is. If Kate is as multi talented as she thinks she should have no problem getting out of the public eye if she is tired of the criticism.
I think she is ADDICTED to the attention--good and bad, she wants it all.
Marie, another perfect opportunity to reform her image.
How about, whatever you donate to the shelter, I will match it! I bet she could even get a ROL story out of that. Nope, of course not. Not one mention of charity. Not even the poor koalas are getting a cookbook.
I actually think a shelter might appreciate a few cookbooks even Kate ones. Good idea.
You've made some very good points Layla. AND she can't claim PPD for her actions because she publicly stated that she willed herself not to have it.
...this is what happens when KK gets no sex.
Meltdown. LOL.
Layla said... 120
I can guarantee that at some point, some lawyer is going to ask her under oath if the journals are her actual words, and she can't lie. They can go page by page through all of her journals, and she will have to answer truthfully to everything. And then everyone will know.
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Hi Layla,
I agree with everything you said - but I want to point out something. I used to work for a narcissist and I was in a legal situation with her once - and she easily lied under oath in a formal hearing. I was dumbfounded, but then when I thought about it later I shouldn't have been surprised. I had the documentation that would have proved her lies, but I didn't bring it with me because it never occurred to me that she would lie about something that could be proven wrong. And she did it seemingly effortlessly too. Just rolled off her tongue. I don't think we should assume that Kate will tell the truth under oath, not if she thinks there is even a small chance that she can get away with it.
Which reminds me, where is Kate's apology to all the mothers who have faced PPD for her callous remark?
Anonymous said:
As I write this I think all of you are just a little too bias in your opinion of Robin, just trying to survive when all hope has been lost. But doing it for her kids, perhaps none of you really know what that's like.
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I think you have chosen to ignore the variety of responses, especially those from Remona Blue, A Pink Straight Jacket, Admin and myself, in which we all said that we cannot really fathom Robin's life, because it's so different from the reality that most of us experience.
I think what I've seen here is a lot of sympathy for Robin's plight, mixed with disappointment at some of the self-destructive choices she makes over and over again. If you've read my posts, you should have noted that I admit I cannot stand in judgment of Robin, because I haven't walked a mile in her shoes. I have not lived her life, nor do I have any kind of understanding of what growing up on a Native American reservation is like.
You tell us that "all of us" are too biased in our opinion of Robin, but by the way you present your thoughts, it only serves to turn the reader off.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. What helped me rethink my initial opinion was the helpful contributions from Remona Blue. If you want to sway opinion, you might re-read some of her posts and see how she presented her opinions, without judgment.
I'm sorry you had a rough upbringing and I certainly wish you well in both the present and future.
All I can say is that I believe Robin to be stronger than you make her out to be. Of course she has made bad choices, who hasn't?
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I think most good people don't run out on their bills, kidnap their children to Canada, stay with a jealous man who calls them a whore and a slut, and let your children be around a man who KNOW molested your foster child to the point where sure enough he molests your daughter too. Also most good people when they don't show up to work due to a psyche hold and are finally faced with the GIFT of reduced hours as they are no longer fit to work at such a place, don't give lip back and get themselves FIRED. This goes way beyond a few bad choices we've all made, this goes into illegal activity--illegal border crossings, kidnapping, child molestation. Even if she got rid of half those terrible choices it would be a lot better. She's a sinking ship with SERIOUS problems and that I do feel bad about but I do not feel sympathy for her.
I have to say I'm kinda bummed about this. I went into this documentary hoping for another Farmer's Wife. I badly, badly wanted to love Robin like so many loved Juanita in The Farmer's Wife. I badly wanted to see her pull through, learn grow and get out of this situation. I liked her less and less with each terrible choice and the moment she almost proudly ran out on those creditors I was done with her. I'm sorry but even people MUCH worse off than her face the music. Grow up and deal with your problems, your kids are watching. Look at Juanita going in to face her creditor when even her husband wouldn't? She even took Whitney with her, not a bad thing for Whitney to see--when things go wrong, tackle them. These are the women to be admired.
I think her bad choices would have been much easier to accept and overlook if she were learning from them and doing better. And I think a lot of us are very uncomfortable with this choice of a lead because of what she has done to perpetuate stereotypes, that makes many people irritated.
I mean, Juanita and Darrel made some really bad decisions when it came to running the farm. But with each one, she faced it, tackled it, and resolved it. With each bad decision came a lesson learned.
I'm sympathetic to the plight, but not to Robin. Millicent very well said, looks like we were typing at the same time. I think you can feel badly that this is how someone has ended up and feel badly for the circumstances, without condoning their actions. I'm not sure it helps Robin to condone her actions, overlook them, or not call her out on them. I wonder if this is how a lot of people in her shoes got to where they are....getting away with things.
As much as I thought Leeann, her boss, was an absolute saint, I'm not even sure she was really helping Robin by being so enabling. I was glad when she finally put her foot down--Robin is a child who needs to understand that when you screw up there are consequences and when you give lip back the consequences could get even worse and then there will you be? I'm glad Leeann finally said enough is enough. Maybe more people in Robin's life should have told her ENOUGH. No more excuses, lots of people were abused, lots of people live on REservations, lots of people are poor. Chin up and tackle it or get out.
I'm curious how her PBS chat went today.
Remona - I am going to do some more research and learning about the history of American Indians in our country. I found a PBS special that I might start with called American Experience: We Shall Remain.
This is another reason why I check this blog all the time - it's not just Kate, Kate, Kate. I learn many things here.
Another thing about this lawsuit. The sheeple have no idea how long something like this could drag out -- years! They are probably all cheering -- yea, I'll have some serious money in my pocket for vacation this summer. Not going to happen.
Speaking of non-Kate things, here is a recommendation. There is a documentary on Netflix streaming about the famous photographer who took many of the images of Native Americans we've all seen. It's called Coming to Light: Edward S. Curtis and the North American Indians." I watched it in a hotel room earlier this year--stumbled upon it bored and thought okay well I have an interest in all things photography, however I was surprised at how much time they devoted to exploring the changing lives of Native Americans. The history, how they got there, where they were going, the culture, the sociology, the stereotypes, the changing attitudes. And it doesn't shy away from exposing some of the shenanigans the Native Americans did--for instance dressing up and doing things they don't normally do, posing in front of a teepee when they lived in a house, etc., playing "games." It was very well done.
On another interesting note, there was quite a battle of wills over their children Curtis fought with his wife. Curtis spent months on the road because back then you couldn't just take a jet for the weekend and come back. His wife eventually got sick of it. If I recall, some of his kids hated him for it and stayed with their mom, while I believe his older girl hated her mom and stayed with him.
I think many of us have been part of class actions lawsuits at some point. Some have mentioned it. If you've used Apple you probably got a buck or two from them. I got three bucks for them for some gift card suit last month, anyone else get that? There is a class action lawsuit for Barbri, which is a company that most law students use to study for the Bar. I'm due some money for that. That was years ago and I still haven't heard back about that.
The biggest one I ever got was a hundred odd dollars and change, and that was for a very large, now defunct company that I worked for in their factory between my freshman and sophomore year in college. The company was improperly not paying for overtime and got sued. They were doing a loosey-goosey four days on four days off thing to try to avoid it and got caught. I had graduated law school and was a year into my first job when the check finally came! EIGHT YEARS! What's the FASTEST anyone's gotten a check?
These sheeple haven't the foggiest. They won't even care about Kate in eight years.
just trying to survive when all hope has been lost
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I wanted to comment specifically on this. The sad thing is all hope had not been lost. She won the sexual abuse child and custody of her kids. She had a great job at a great organization that was paying decent, loved her, and giving her more and more hours. She could have really springboarded this into doing quite well for herself as a single mom and made this work. Instead she sabotaged it--she moved, lost her job, and it was downhill from there.
I see now Robin thought in her head all hope had been lost when that was not reality. I am very sad that this was her perspective. Sometimes it really depends on whether you see things as glass half full or empty thing.
What's the FASTEST anyone's gotten a check?
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I'm still waiting on one, and it will be four years in June since the complaint was filed.
I must have missed the part where Robin mouthed off to Leanne! What did Robin say to her?? I thought Robin said something about the funding not being there for her position any longer.
Robin's going to have a lot of people asking a lot of questions in this chat. I'll have to find a link for it. This should be interesting.
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@BullyVille @chancertheboxer This is WONDERFUL news!!!!! Think of all the emotional turmoil that so many will be spared going forward!
Kate must feel so blessed to have found the digital version of the big red spoon.
Unless you are in a legal battle with them, the best thing you can do for yourself when dealing with a narcissist is to nod your head in agreement, apologize and bow out gracefully. Otherwise they'll tail you around until they get what they want whether they deserve it not. It actually does save you the emotional turmoil of arguing with them.
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Your apology is very gracious in view of the facts. I think people who are so happily joining this clusterf*** have no idea what they are in for. Litigation is a nightmare that can tie up your life for years. And for what? I think that your apology was basically a "meh", when no apology was owed. If poor taste is a punishable offense, then Kate would be put away for life. Kate owes everyone who has had the misfortune of knowing her a giant apology--especially her children, for selling out their childhoods. Hopefully, the kids will take a page from her book and sue her for damages and compensation for their work.
I must have missed the part where Robin mouthed off to Leanne! What did Robin say to her?? I thought Robin said something about the funding not being there for her position any longer.
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This was all according to Robin. Robin said that Leeann sent her an email saying that due to her psyche hold she didn't feel she could continue to run a certain aspect of the program, can't remember what, and that as a result she would like to reduce her hours.
Robin said she wrote her back via email and said that Leeann has no right to do that to her (she does) and that she didn't care what Leeann said she was going to show up at that part of the job whether Leeanna liked it or not.
At that point, Leann invited Robin to resign which frankly was a gift.
That's what I mean by mouthed off, via email Robin very defiantly told her she was showing up anyway. Which of course couldn't happen. Insubordination really. This was a job she had no experience for in the first place.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 132
Which reminds me, where is Kate's apology to all the mothers who have faced PPD for her callous remark?
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Or when she called all of us mediocre and Jon.
Then she gave some half a$$ accuse on what she meant.
And she still slammed Jon in the end.
Oh, geez, admin, I had forgotten about one that was filed in 2007 and last I checked, it still needed to go to the judge for approval.
These sheeple haven't the foggiest. They won't even care about Kate in eight years.
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Except for one, who will still be singing "Close To You" and riding off into the sunset with Kate, and Katie Irene II in tow.
gabby2 said... 130
...this is what happens when KK gets no sex.
Meltdown. LOL.
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What...
Her gorwn-a-man and batteries aren't working aw poor KK,
SCgal said... 131
''.... I don't think we should assume that Kate will tell the truth under oath, not if she thinks there is even a small chance that she can get away with it''
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I agree with you. In my opinion, KK has, through some narcissistic/mental illness quirk, managed to convince herself that the things she says are true really are true. She really believes that any criticism against her is bullying. KK would have no problem at all lying under oath.
Ex nurse, I wouldn't recommend litigation to anyone.
I have believed this for a long time. You're not a good lawyer unless you're telling your clients are you SURE you want to sue? Do you know how emotionally and financially devastating it usually is? Do you know how much time it will take? Do you understand that although you may THINK winning will make you feel better and change your life....it probably really won't? People think it's this magic fix and it usually isn't. Look at the Erin Brokovich case, sure you can give that cancer victim a million dollars, but will it make her cancer go away? I understand it does help some people and ease it but do not go in expecting it to fix things. Or look at Darien, yes she got her conviction of her father and that's good, but it can't undue the sexual abuse she endured. That is done.
Darren blew up and left her because she was talking to the census guy? Um Darren, everyone had to talk to that guy in 2010. Good grief.
Just to clarify my previous post:
The apology was excellent--I meant it as Meh--it isn't worth taking a stand for this person. There are too few people who show the integrity that you did in this post. If my daughter did this, I would be proud of her. Some things just aren't worthy it--IMO KG is one of those things.
I looked at the cookbook pre-order counter. How accurate is that? It shows five in April; 11 in March, and one in Canada. The Milo Wannabe, who is giving away eight cookbooks, would account for eight of the March pre-orders. Assuming this is an accurate account, that means that Paige in Canada ordered one, and only 8 other sheeple placing orders, one of whom would have been Milo.
Is it possible to have a number that low?
Millicent said... 137
''Remona - I am going to do some more research and learning about the history of American Indians in our country. I found a PBS special that I might start with called American Experience: We Shall Remain.''
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Millicent, I just googled We Shall Remain, and though I haven't seen it, it sounds like a good start. I think I will watch it too.
The cookbook counter is for Amazon orders only. Barnes and Noble is selling it too, so maybe it's safe to assume the same amount has been ordered there. It still doesn't amount to much.
What's to prevent her from simply opening a new account?
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She's posting on another blog, and her ID consists of the same nasty sex slang vulgarity that she used on Twitter. I honestly think it's an addiction that needs intervention. Closing a Twitter account is not going to stop it.
At the almost end of the documentary Robin was talking with her lawyer about not yet having full legal custody. In my experience it's just a no brainer, and legally correct, that if the other parent is incarcerated, it's just too hard to have them participate in medical, educational and religious decisions. Not to mention the sexual abuse, another reason to give full legal custody to mom. It's such a no brainer the other side might not even try to argue for joint legal.
I am SO glad Remona was around so I knew....well that must be a Reservation thing. Sure enough what does her lawyer say? That the tribal judges are appointed not elected and have NO LEGAL EXPERIENCE and that explains the joint legal on a SEX ABUSE AND PRISON case.
If they knew and understood the law, they would know Robin is entitled to legal. Entitled. Craziness. Now this part I do feel bad for her about, if this woman stepped into any other court this could be squared away in two minutes. Most judges would be horrified at any other order.
Okay, Kate, you got your apologies. Now what?
Admin, I forgot to add this earlier -- thanks for resurrecting Jon as part of the family in your public apology.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 159
''.....well that must be a Reservation thing. Sure enough what does her lawyer say? That the tribal judges are appointed not elected and have NO LEGAL EXPERIENCE and that explains the joint legal on a SEX ABUSE AND PRISON case.
If they knew and understood the law, they would know Robin is entitled to legal. Entitled.''
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Admin, you almost 'got' it. Then you said that ''if they knew and understood the law''. The thing you're missing is that you do not understand that ''the law'' outside the Rez is NOT ''the law'' on the Rez. Not only are the Tribal Judges appointed, but they are riddled with corruption and nepotism.
On the Rez, the law is whatever the Tribal Council says it is. The only way to deal with Tribal Law is to go through step after step after step with the Bureau of Indian Affairs--and if you're lucky, you can finally get the FBI involved. Remember that the FBI was involved when Robin's husband was convicted of sexual abuse.
MAN....here I go, commenting and finding myself getting angry at the plight of those on the Rez once again!!
I don't think I'm understanding something here. The sheeple-hater war has been ongoing almost as long as the Hatfield-McCoy battle. Sheeple have been outing people, posting names of minor children, along with addresses, names, and anything else they can come up with. They do this under the guise of Freedom of Speech. They have allegedly libeled people on their blogs with downright lies that would constitute defamation.
However, when a non-fan tweets criticism to Kate, according to them, it is no longer Freedom of Speech, but bullying. I agree that some of those haters' tweets (a handful of about six or so) really crossed the line with vulgarity and harassing, but what happens when those who are outed really weren't part of the mess and never issued any threats to Kate? I'm thinking of the Trenton Duckett-Nancy Grace case, in which she pounded his mother relentlessly until she committed suicide, as well as the Vodka Mom lawsuit,
Heaven forbid if something like this were to happen, it would be on Kate's shoulders (and bullyville). Does she really want that kind of publicity? The problem with Kate is that she never looks into consequences, and the "what ifs."
Thanks for the explanation on what Robin said/e-mailed to Leanne. I agree that Leanne went above and beyond the responsibilities of a 'boss' and Robin should have counted her lucky stars.
I've been away visiting family when all of this Kate, Bullyville, sh*t hit the fan. I still haven't caught up-just read a couple of articles at ROL.
Just one question--Kate recently called articles at ROL "Lies, all Lies". So I'm curious now, which ones are lies. If they support her they're truth, but if they don't they're lies? Robert was quoted in one of those articles-is that articles lies or truth?
To Kate, only an article that calls her out is consider a "lie". If an article puts her in a good light, she never says anything. Yet, as frequent as February, she retweeted this tweet from a fan.(the Milo wannabe):
RT @ljohnson2006: Don't believe everything you read about @Kateplusmy8 or any other celeb. Tabloids fiend off of making money not spreading truth
So, she claimed that ALL tabloid stories were lies-that you couldn't believe anything that was written in the tabloids about her. Is she changing her tune?
Remember when she actually had the audacity to tweet that she would love to work with Michele Obama on an anti-bullying campaign? Remember, it was "circulating". Does she really think her latest actions will help her? This was the tweet, back in June of last year:
@tashapork it's circulating around... I'd love to help M Obama in her quest... It's SO my passion :) for kids, moms& families as a whole!
I really wonder what the First Lady would think of Kate's vendetta regarding her twitter "bullies"?
I haven't caught up on all the articles and posts about this whole fiasco. I haven't even looked at twitter-I'm not sure if I even want to.
All I know, is that Kate had the power to stop all this and nip it in the bud. She is the one who always told her fans to "block the bullies and join the fun". That's all she and any of her followers had to do--yet it seems like she and her fans didn't follow that mantra. And I have noticed she hasn't said it as often as before.
It's almost like she wanted her fans to be harassed, rather than warning them about the "haters". Even recently, when they complained to her about the harassment, she didn't say anything. UNTIL VERY RECENTLY-when the whole thing started with Bullyvile going after the haters.
Those are my thoughts on things I have read so far. I also agree with many, that this is a subversive attack on Robert, in the hope that he will not rerelease the book. I hope Robert will not be intimidated by the latest actions of Kate and Bullyville. I have faith that he will not be.
So just weighing in with my opinion. Haven't caught up on all the posts regarding this matter-but just wanted to share my thoughts.
Leeann also said she knew a ton of resources to help robin with her debts. I get the feeling Leeann herself was ready to loan her the money. Why didn't Robin take advantage of that? Better than illegal boarder crossings.
The real target of Bullyville/Kate is revealed IMO:
Bullyville @BullyVille 48m
Hi Jon, have you been enjoying all of this? It must be quite a shock I'd imagine. Your pal @gosselinbook has gone silent & we both know why.
This is going to end very badly. Whether it is Jon or Aunt Jodi, those kids will be crushed.
Shiitakemushroom is hitting the fan said... 167
''The real target of Bullyville/Kate is revealed IMO:
Bullyville @BullyVille 48m
Hi Jon, have you been enjoying all of this? It must be quite a shock I'd imagine. Your pal @gosselinbook has gone silent & we both know why.''
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Just as we all said all along. Robert is the target, and bullyville is trying to goad Jon into commenting...even though Jon is way off the grid, and been silent for quite some time! We know that Robert cleared the deck on his blog, but bullyville is insinuating that it is because the book/Robert is in trouble. KK better watch out, if she can't stop bullyville he will poke Robert one too many times! Go on KK, call Robert a liar. Do it, do it, do it!!
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The true puppeteer hasn't even been exposed yet. They thought they were so smart and would never get caught. They never expected #thehive.
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Jeez, I'm getting tired of Kate Gosselin. She's such a disgusting person.
Millicent said...Remona - I am going to do some more research and learning about the history of American Indians in our country.
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Millicent, I am very happy you want to research my people, but please, may I ask you not call us "indians". Many Native Americans resent that (some don't, but I am among those who do). Just because some Italian thought he was finding a new trade way to the Indies does not make me an "indian". We were here first.
And I know a lot about living on a reservation, from the 1950s and on. I'd be happy to help.
Thank you.
I think it's kind of arrogant for them to even assume Jon knows what's going on with them or looks at their twitter or site. The only reason I knew they were threatening me with such a short notice was this site. I do not check out their site or twitter period. What if this happened when I was out if town or really busy? I might not even realize what was going on. They could have at least emailed me to alert me. They really think the whole world is paying attention. They should turn on the news to see what's really occupying people's thoughts.
None of this has anything to do with Jon or jodi. Blame blame blame. Kate acts foolishly and the usual suspects are blamed.
Bullville is really into taunting and trying to provoke people into giving him the attention he wants. he is trying to taunt Jon now. What he is saying, I think it is libel. I don't think it's a good idea to drag him in Bullville's drama show. The father of her children. That is how low Kate will stoop to get what she wants? Think about the children, please.
And now we see the truth... Kate doesn't give a toot about any apologies. She really would love to see Jon and Robert suffer and be intimidated. What a bully. And no matter how Robet got that hard drive, it still has Kate's own words on it. She can't hide from the fact that she is who she is. I am concerned that bullyville may have dug up some personal and hurtful information on robert. If so, it is so sinister that Kate has allied with Bullyville.
Kate does not understand slash and burn or scorched earth tactics will eventually destroy her, too.
She is so determined to punish anyone who does not "stand with her" that she will throw the welfare of her children (and their father) into the flames.
She has taken mean and self-centered all the way to evil.
AuntieAnn said... 161
Admin, I forgot to add this earlier -- thanks for resurrecting Jon as part of the family in your public apology.
Nicely said, Auntie.
Admin, we are proud of you for taking the high ground and hopefully extracting yourself and this blog from Kate's path of destruction.
You even thought of Jon. That shows genuine consideration.
I hope Jon is getting some sound advice. I hope Robert is legally protected.
I find it strange that an organization like Bullyville would just take someone at their word. Why not do some due diligence in this whole matter? There has been bullying going on on both sides but Bullyville is only taking Kate's word that she has been bullied. What about Jon being bullied and Ellen? What about the death threats to Jon? IMO they lose any credibility by not recognizing that there has been bullying on both sides and both sides are wrong. It makes me want to contact them and really ask them what their desired outcome is? Is it really and truly to stop bullying or is it to take up a cause for someone who may be paying them or maybe just using each other for maximum publicity? I'm all for stopping bullying but this is totally one sided. And to call out Jon on Twitter? For what purpose and to what end? If Kate has a problem with what Jon is doing, that needs to be taken care of privately for the sake of the children through the courts - not on Twitter for God sakes.
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Admin, you almost 'got' it. Then you said that ''if they knew and understood the law''. The thing you're missing is that you do not understand that ''the law'' outside the Rez is NOT ''the law'' on the Rez. Not only are the Tribal Judges appointed, but they are riddled with corruption and nepotism.
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I went to college with a woman whose hometown was right next to a reservation. When in high school, two of her friends were cutting through backroads on the reservation and hit a horse. They thought about what to do and ultimately just high-tailed it out of there without telling anyone because they would be subject to the laws of the tribe. Local cops had no jurisdiction.
I am not unempathetic to Robin's plight, but we are in dangerous ground with continuing to allow this "cultured helplessness" (thanks to Remona, that is such an accurate phrase) within the American culture itself.
People just wait around for the gov't, Red Cross, anyone, to come in and "save" them. It would be an interesting documentary to see how all Americans have evolved from can-do pioneers, to whiny victims looking to be saved. This is across all demographic groups. I read a blogger piece about the hold illegal/prescription drug has on certain populations and that how to break free one has to embrace freedom of choice in the very primal/base sense of the word "freedom." I'm not explaining it well, but it was a powerful point of view.
At what point to we become responsible for our own choices?
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 136
I have to say I'm kinda bummed about this. I went into this documentary hoping for another Farmer's Wife. I badly, badly wanted to love Robin like so many loved Juanita in The Farmer's Wife. I badly wanted to see her pull through, learn grow and get out of this situation. I liked her less and less with each terrible choice and the moment she almost proudly ran out on those creditors I was done with her.......
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I agree Admin. She's smart and had so many opportunities within the film and she just couldn't follow through with any of them. I think that will be the future of her life.
I also noticed, maybe it's just me, that both her and her daughter were very aware of the cameras and at times it felt scripted, not producer scripted, but participant scripted.
I did read through the transcript of the 'chat' on pbs and felt that her answers were very basic. The moderators were asking very good questions and she just was not answering them. Of course, all the other commentators were praising her and asking her to write a book!
Let's assume that the 10 or so worst Kate "offenders" are outed and their employers are contacted, what will exactly change for Kate? Nothing! Except a few of her most vile haters will no longer be tweeting her. (They will just probably change their twitter handles and resume at a later date).
She will not be viewed any more favorably in the media/press or public opinion. It is not going to get her another TV series or show. It isn't going to get more people to buy her book. All the massive amounts of negative press written about her in the past 6 years in magazines, blogs, newspapers ,etc. is not going away. They will all be there for her kids to read in a few years. Robert's book is still coming out for the masses and her kids to read. Her 150+ episodes of her TV show are still out there showing what a bitch she was.
In summary, just because bullyville shuts down the worst haters of hers, it isn't going to help her be better liked by the world. All of her problems will still be there. In fact, as we all know, this ploy is only going to open up more negative comments about her and bring her more negative press. Why does she want the world to know that her own twitter feed is highly infected with people that hate her guts? I rather the world not know this about me if I was her.
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From what I am seeing posted by Kate's groupies, they feel that they have won..whatever that means. The handful of anti-Kate fanatics seem to be lying low for now, but unless a law suit really does go forward, I hate to think what the coming months will be like. Both sides will be back to "normal," with their hate filled posts, and maybe even worse.
Leslie, 182 -- you make so much sense. Kate seems to lack the ability to connect current actions with future results.
She just does what she does with no thought to consequences.
You see it.
In the vague "tomorrow" she is a still an unhappy woman driving a big blue bus full of children.
She was once on the cover of major magazines. She was once a contestant on DWTS. She was once a happily married woman.
She once traveled and wined and dined on the budget of TLC.
The reality is that Bullyville cannot restore her glory days.
Kate is tweeting thanks for her b-day treats from 'fans'....she is so out of touch with the real world. I bet she knows little about the plight of Natives Americans. Her kids can educate her as they have in the past about things should they learn about this problem which is not going away.
Very nice write up, Admin. What is sad is that Bullyville obviously got only half of the story on the video. They weren't aware of your actions of taking down the video nor the posters' reactions to the video. I would bet that Bullyville has never been told that you and many others here have voiced disapproval of the attacks that Kate gets on Twitter. That YOU have announced many times that those people were not welcomed here to post. With the video post by Bullyville, it confirmed my thoughts that he is being used to settle old scores. Personal vendettas that have nothing to do with Kate. The person who reported this video is most likely the same who wanted you disbarred for the same. I would think this man is smart enough to realize this. It seems so silly for some of these fans to act as if their hands are clean. It is so one-sided. Some of the vile things said by them and done to non fans is/was more vile than anything thrown at Kate.
People just wait around for the gov't, Red Cross, anyone, to come in and "save" them. It would be an interesting documentary to see how all Americans have evolved from can-do pioneers, to whiny victims looking to be saved.
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You're offended by disaster victims getting help from the Red Cross? Wow. Just wow.
I knew at some point bullyville would drag Jon in this stupid mess.
What I don't get is why isn't Kate standing up for herself?
Oh yeah she has her fans to do it for her and now bullyville.
I guess she TLC canned her she had to find some one else to stand up for her.
Even Steve stood up for her but he's gone. She had Jaime at one point but she gone.
She never stands up for her self never.
I also hate when her twitter fans say she raising the 8 alone.
Um are you stupid they have a loving father that spends time with them.
It seems so silly for some of these fans to act as if their hands are clean. It is so one-sided. Some of the vile things said by them and done to non fans is/was more vile than anything thrown at Kate.
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That's the thing, do they REALLY want to go there? I have a laundry list of things they have said about me that are libelous or only half the story. Rule 4 has been here almost since the beginning because I never, ever wanted us to go there. I never allowed us to do blog posts about a sheeple or to go trolling around the net trying to find dirt on them to take out of context. They did the SAME THING to many other people. We have been the ones who have just let it go, each and every time. Who never used this blog as a forum to fight back or even so much as tell our side of the story. It wasn't worth it to me, I didn't care what some obsessed, deranged fans thought, and I had no desire to get into a war with them.
Or let's take twitter. I opened an account for this web site mainly to post when I updated the site and would occasionally tweet things such as thanks to Alison Arngrim and such. From day ONE I was viciously attacked. I never tweeted Kate, not once. I never tweeted a fan, not once. I blocked anyone spewing nasty things at me. Finally I was so sick of it I just went off Twitter. I never provoked any of that.
Now these same people with unclean hands (good term whoever said that first) are crying foul? You know what, I can't feel that sorry for them. They started this idea that a blog should be about other bloggers and that twitter should be about with tweeters. I think it should all just end and everyone should just call a truce, but they are hardly the innocents here.
I think this is the perfect example of why I made rule 4 and why it's been the most important rule we ever stuck to. Well done folks. Well done.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 14h
Thanks 2 every1 who sent a birthday wish &/or special treat-- I just NOW got to my mail and smiled at my happy(belated)birthdaywishes! GN:)!
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OMG she still let's people send her things.
Guess she not that scared of haters or bullies.
This is just so out of control. I do hope both Jon and RH stay silent:
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.@GosselinBook you have 24 hours to issue a public apology to @Kateplusmy8 & her children. CC: @sixymomma8 #expectus http://t.co/BvnmliQwMR(preview)
People just wait around for the gov't, Red Cross, anyone, to come in and "save" them. It would be an interesting documentary to see how all Americans have evolved from can-do pioneers, to whiny victims looking to be saved.
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I believe in the can-do attitude more than anyone, but see I think the Red Cross is exactly the OPPOSITE of the whiny victim mentality. The Red Cross is the embodiment of the can-do attitude. The embodiment of the way people used to pull together and help their neighbors. It's mostly volunteers helping each other out in bad times, or collecting blood for those in need. This is what we should be doing, pulling together without interference from anyone else to get each other back on our feet.
The Red Cross hardly enables anyone. By providing a few meals, shelter and a meal to people experiencing disasters? They provide the very basics to get people back on their feet then usually they are gone. Government assistance that stretches out years is what would bother me lots more.
I have a lot of theories and beliefs on this but I think the private sector could handle things like this MUCH BETTER. Now let's compare to FEMA. :)
I realize the RedX gets government funding but they are still an independent charity and function more or less like the private sector and could probably do just fine without any ties to the government. I firmly believe that at this point, the only way we can move forward is if we do it ourselves and the RedX is a shining example of that.
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.@GosselinBook you have 24 hours to issue a public apology to @Kateplusmy8 & her children. CC: @sixymomma8 #expectus http://t.co/BvnmliQwMR(preview)
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Will they STOP? Okay, the video warranted an apology, fair enough. A book that Kate has never denied that tells the truth about child abuse and is a matter of public concern does not warrant any such apology. 24 hours or WHAT? Everyone knows his name already. I'm sure the sheeple have tried everything in the book with him. What else can you DO to the man? Sue him? I had hoped in vain my apology would settle them down. It seems that they have just taken it as one more battle one and are on to the next one.
Kate's lawyers would have sued him by now if there were any case. There IS no case.
Oh and who called this? Of COURSE this was about Robert and Jon. Of course. We're just collateral damage.
Kate needs to grow the F up (excuse me) and handle her problems like a grown-a%% WOMAN. This is just so insane.
AuntieAnn said...(145)
"kateplusmy8
@BullyVille @chancertheboxer This is WONDERFUL news!!!!! Think of all the emotional turmoil that so many will be spared going forward!
Kate must feel so blessed to have found the digital version of the big red spoon.
Unless you are in a legal battle with them, the best thing you can do for yourself when dealing with a narcissist is to nod your head in agreement, apologize and bow out gracefully. Otherwise they'll tail you around until they get what they want whether they deserve it not. It actually does save you the emotional turmoil of arguing with them."
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Just catching up after a drawn out Easter. Hope everyone had a great time whatever you celebrate. It finally feels like Spring up here with melting snow and sunshine.
Wow, just wow. So Kate's got out the big guns eh? Since when is the use of social media a right that deserves legal protection? A class action law suit indeed.
'Help me, help me, I'm putting every detail of my and mine children's lives on the internet and can't handle the backlash. Won't someone come to my rescue?'
Here's a hint Kate, log off Twitter, put down the iPhone and go take care of your kids or something.
Good grief. It does appear though that it is merely one huge deflection and ruse to attempt to thwart Mr. Hoffman's book release.
I'm with those that think this will blow up in her face and she's going to come out of it looking like a bigger arse than she already does.
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Dmasy said...(184)
"The reality is that Bullyville cannot restore her glory days."
Exactly, she's not going to get what she really wants from this and it has nothing to do with bullying. She wants her reality t.v. star crown back and that's never going to happen.
Oh, good grief, if an apology is requested from RH by a tweetering BV and not a court, I think that says it all.
I think Kate has actually now set herself up to look like a total shrew to the widespread public instead of just to the "haters". To the little bit of public or media that actually pays attention, it's going to show that she's running scared from RH (whom everyone knew was the real target) and the attempt to deflect will be magnified.
This is not going to gain her any more "fans" but will make everyone look at her with even more questions, even if she and BV think the opposite. Jon is already maligned in the public, won't hurt him, but it's going to hurt her and ultimately those kids, if it hasn't already.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 189
VERY well said, Admin. Well done.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 14h
Thanks 2 every1 who sent a birthday wish &/or special treat-- I just NOW got to my mail and smiled at my happy(belated)birthdaywishes! GN:)!
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Seriously? Just now? Guess you can pretend that almost a whole week goes by before your narcissistic self 'opens' the birthday mail when you are consumed with twitter wars @bulleyville. Yes, this is how a 38 year old woman runs her life. This morning I was thinking that if she just had one real friend left, well, a real friend would pick up the phone and tell her this is crazyland. But she has no friends, they, and her family, were kicked to the curb long ago. Anyone think @deanna is around much these days? Kids go to school, Kate is playing @bulleyville. Beyond pathetic, the longer this continues.
People go to the trouble to send her birthday greetings or gifts in the mail and she can't get around to it until almost a year later. I'm sorry does this woman work or something? This is so rude.
Also she needs to thank each person individually and not just send out a collective tweet. Grow up.
You all don't know the true story of the lengths haters have gone to out fans. I have a feeling you might soon though.
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I don't know because I try to stay out of it. I am not unaware that both sides have gone to great lengths. How about everyone just call it even and stop?? I didn't say one side has clean hands and the other unclean, I just said the side that is INSTIGATING this does not have clean hands, some of them. Again, why not just quit this ridiculousness? Where is it leading? The worst offenders aren't going to stop or will just change their names. Kate is looking like a helpless fool who can't handle her own problems like an adult and needs some vigilante bully to do it for her. This is not helping a thing. It's juvenile.
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you have never allowed naming of sheeple here but you have allowed a lot of talk about who someone might be or not.
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It's true some people like to speculate whether Milo is a man or in a facility, but that's it. I don't care myself, but this is hardly anything like actually trying to find the information out. I wouldn't allow such things. Other than that it's not a topic of conversation who people are unless I missed it. Plus, Milo tweets Kate publicly on Kate's twitter. I have have even said if Milo were just on another blog talking with other bloggers and not engaging directly in so public a way, those comments would be OFF LIMITS. In fact I believe she does post on another side, baby mama's? And I don't allow those comments. She is free to play in her sandbox without interference.
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