Sunday, April 7, 2013

'The People vs. Larry Flynt': Was Falwell bullied and deserved damages for emotional distress, or was it just free speech about a public figure?

'Free speech,' said the Supreme Court in 1988.

What if you said a very famous celebrity likes to sleep with goats? What if you said that celebrity loves hard liquor and is always intoxicated in public? What if you said his first sexual experience was with his own mother?



In 1983, Larry Flynt said all that and more about Jerry Falwell in his magazine Hustler. Falwell sued him for 50 million dollars. What followed was one of the greatest victories for free speech, specifically parodies and criticism involving public figures, ever to come down from the Supreme Court. The decision was unanimous. Said the court, in part:
"Justice Frankfurter put it succinctly in Baumgartner v. United States, 322 U. S. 665, 673-674 (1944), when he said that "[o]ne of the prerogatives of American citizenship is the right to criticize public men and measures." Such criticism, inevitably, will not always be reasoned or moderate; public figures as well as public officials will be subject to "vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks," New York Times, supra, at 270. " . . .

. . .In the world of debate about public affairs, many things done with motives that are less than admirable are protected by the First Amendment. In Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 U. S. 64 (1964), we held that even when a speaker or writer is motivated by hatred or ill will his expression was protected by the First Amendment: Thus while such a bad motive may be deemed controlling for purposes of tort liability in other areas of the law, we think the First Amendment prohibits such a result in the area of public debate about public figures.
"Debate on public issues will not be uninhibited if the speaker must run the risk that it will be proved in court that he spoke out of hatred; even if he did speak out of hatred, utterances honestly believed contribute to the free interchange of ideas and the ascertainment of truth." Id., at 73."

Falwell and Flynt later became good friends, visiting each other frequently, going on speaking engagements together, and exchanging Christmas cards. In 1998, Flynt apologized for the ad. Falwell leaped to his feet and shook Flynt's hand.

This Oscar-nominated film from 1996 details Falwell's early life through the famous court case and his near assassination. It can be viewed for free and legally from Crackle.com on Youtube.

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Mel said...

I bet Mrs. Glassman rues the day she asked her husband to help that poor mom of sextuplets.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Go Robert GO!!!

Time for Kate to say bye-bye to bv, and get her ass to a job placement agency.

Kate, it's over. Move on with your life for your kids' sake.

And get mental help STAT.

Mel said...

Whatever else Robert has, it must be good.....and true.
Cuz it sure has given him brass b*lls!

librarylady said...

I still don't understand the end game here.
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I don't know that there really is an "end game". I just think that she really believes she's still relevant within the overall public eye and this might "ruin" it (in her eyes). Or else she's finally gotten somewhat of a clue that she's NOT anymore and is desperate.

But an actual end point, there just isn't going to be one. Unless it's for her to keep the kids away from Jon completely so she can have total control for her benefit (which would backfire on her eventually as they get mature).

Jane said...

Kate's clearly desperate, you can smell it, she's frantic. She thinks that the more she trashes Jon, the more pity and attention she'll receive. She has to know that Robert has some pretty serious info on her - thus the desperation. What she doesn't see is how unstable this makes her look and that fans are beginning to see the light, seeing that it's the kids who are suffering.

AuntieAnn I think this clip you posted from GWOP (which sounds like it's from Hailey) is very telling!

[snip]

Another move is coming soon and it will be the nail in Jon’s coffin. It’s going to be devastating. Just watch."

12/20/2009 11:10 AM

Marie said...

"And these are the Days of Our Lives . . . "

Marie

TLC stinks said...

Saw this at RWA. From the vanished emails?

"My mother called me last night saying she spoke to Kate, because I called Kate to let her know I will not be testifying since my mother can't handle the stress...

My mom spoke to Kate and said she couldn't get a word in but my mother told me to email you telling you my family and I will not testify and don't want involvement with anything having to do with them."

PatK said...

I guess all the popcorn and meatball subs I enjoyed last night made me pass out in bed too soon and I missed this latest Hailey/Kate email fiasco.

If anyone grabbed those and posted them somewhere, can a link be provided for our viewing enjoyment?

Anonymous said...

Schmeckygirl who posts here a lot tweeted that she has screenshots of the radaronline emails that were deleted. Can someone you has twitter tweet her to come here and explain all this to us. Also you gave the emails to radaronline?

Anonymous said...

SchmeckyGirl ‏@SchmeckyGirl 36m

These tweets are from schmechkgil. I want to know more about this whole situation.

The emails and phone calls between @haileyglassman1 and @kateplusmy8 and Hailey's mom took place in MARCH 2013. Last month!
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SchmeckyGirl SchmeckyGirl ‏@SchmeckyGirl 49m

Too funny that Hailey said her mom called @kateplusmy8 to reason with her and couldn't get a word in edgewise.

mamaK said...

Is it possible for Kate to not realize that she threw away disks with this info on it? and to believe that Robert and Jon actually stole it from her?
Here's what I'm thinking, Jon and Kate fight, she kicks him out. I can totally see her saying "get your stuff out anything left will be tossed" (similar to her "penalty of severness" threat to her CHILDREN).
Jon, having a moral compass, leaves the disks because they were hers and just ended up in his stuff. After he is gone, and in a fit of rage, Kate goes to the apartment and just throws things in a bin and tosses them. (similar to the episode where she is home all day with the kids and she throws the grill toy down the stairs, or the episode of cleaning the twins room, or the episode where she pulls the vacuum across the rocks).
She might not realize what was on the disks, and may have been in such a rage that she doesn't remember that she threw away some disks that day too? And she really then believes that the information had to have been stolen?
Just wondering out loud.
I don't understand why the fans are so nuts about her. The basis for her behavior and for backing up Roberts book was shown on tv for all to see.

Anonymous said...

And yet that's exactly what you gals do here to Kate G every single hour of the day. You have no idea how Kate treats her kids now what goes on in their home. Try a little of your own advice.


I was waiting for this. So you thing beating the crap out of babies should be forgotten like a character flaw or poor judgment?

We DO KNOW what goes on in their home now. Kate showed us on CWS and wrote it all down in her Household Manual.

You're defending a CHILD ABUSER.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


We DO KNOW what goes on in their home now. Kate showed us on CWS and wrote it all down in her Household Manual.

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Amen. That manuel was scary. We also have a blog post from just a few months ago about the peeling globe that tells us exactly how she handles minor transgressions. Even scarier.

It's really not fair to say we are criticizing or speculating in a vacuum. It's just downright untrue. Kate has put numerous information out there about how she treats the kids and much of it is very current.

Improbable Dreams said...

@XXXXXX Just passed @Kateplusmy8 #SweetRide

New car, perhaps?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Very interesting, but not surprising, that the article about Kate and Hailey's texts has been removed from Radar.

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Uh oh. Kate freaked I assume?? She wants people to think everyone is helping her out of the goodness of her heart while she's just minding her own business, those emails not only prove that she was actively recruiting Haley to get involved but when Haley wanted to back out, Kate disregarded her wishes and went ahead anyway.

Who the heck gave them the emails in the first place? This saga is just NUTS.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Foxy all your comments have always been posted, never had an issue with you. I published them, do you not see them?

I'm not sure if you saw earlier comments but blogger has been finicky this week. I've been published comments that people have said aren't showing up or show up later.

Tucker's Mom said...

Mel said... 2
I bet Mrs. Glassman rues the day she asked her husband to help that poor mom of sextuplets.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Glassmans have misgivings about getting involved. They seemed like a lovely couple; really good hearted and well intentioned. They both gave so much to Kate.
So much collateral damage...

PatK said...

Now I'm confused. It's being said that those emails that ROL posted and then pulled were from March; yet it's also being said Hailey tweeted in early April that she would be glad to testify for Kate.

Perhaps she had a change of heart after those emails and IS helping Kate after all?

Kate doesn't too upset this morning. As usual, she's tweeting rainbows about her kids wearing shorts to school today.

June said...


David Perel said very late last night: "ok this is it for now: tune in tomorrow for something very, very interesting that will stir a lot more debate I believe.'

The URL that was up was only to the picture page of the article. I believe it was published before it was meant to be. I saw it and it was not an article on the home page. I am amazed someone here was able to even find that. I think ROL messed up and published the link page to the email exchange before the story was up. I think we will see the story shortly with the emails.

Localyocul said...

What was the date on those (alleged) emails between Hailey and Kate? This article was March 5:

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/kate-gosselin-strikes-back-dragging-jon-to-court-she-wants-him-jailed-over-tell-all-book/

mamaK said...

I agree with Penny (12).
The problem is we DO know what went on in that home. Kate made sure of that with two years of television. Kate WANTED people to come into their home and see how they were managing with those kids because people would stare at them while they were out. (At least that is what she said).
Even if you just take her behavior from the show alone, and set aside the journals and the believed abuse, it still is pretty bad. Kate's behavior seen on the show shows a detatched mom, someone with an anger management problem, a lack of self awareness, and seriously flawed judgement. Kate on the show often showed no respect, no thoughtfulness, no consideration for other people or for their feelings. She showed us all that she is not a nurturer or grateful for the opportunities and experiences that she has had. And then you mix in the lies and falsehoods and I anyway am left with a bad taste in my mouth. (Thus, why we need the chocolate!)
I got hooked on the show right as I started having babies. As a new mom, I looked to Kate as a role model. I totally believed the line "If I can do it with 8, anyone can do it". It took a few months of watching the show often to see that the way she talked to her family was not something that I wanted to emmulate. Her attitude and approach were/are very mean and inconsiderate. When I realized that I was starting to have that attitude too, I turned it off.
And because I had bought into that line of "I could do it cuz she can" I started looking into HOW Kate does it. Oh, cleaning woman, oh, nanny. Oh, look, cute camping episode (where the production assistants set up all the tents). Oh, look, fun "movie on the lawn" night, (where the PA's set up the movie). Even something simple as being home all day or going shopping (set up for the show) she always had someone there. Always another set of eyes to watch and warn her, always another person to vent to or chitchat with and help pass the time.
If she had really been home alone raising 8 kids, I would have more respect for her. That is a hard job! But, doing a tv show was easy.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Can someone who has read it give me the executive summary?


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I read it very late and skimmed it but this is how I remember it. If anyone can fill in the gaps please do.

Basically it starts out with Kate and what appears to be some crackpot team, maybe of lawyers, of PR people? NOT Laverne and Shirley, some new people, communicating back and forth with Haley about setting up a time to talk on the phone. It was dated February 27 I believe. Then, at some point the text messages are given to Kate, and Kate says something like Thank you so much Haley I knew Jon was involved with that book and this proves it!

Then, oddly, Haley suddenly seems to have buyer's remorse and sends a very long email back to Kate saying that basically she changed her mind and does NOT want Kate to use those emails and does not want to testify because Mrs. Glassman her mom said if she does so the family will estrange her (you can't make this shit up) and that the whole family is so DONE with the Gosselin saga that it's all been too much for them (I actually feel sorry for Mama Glassman just trying to help someone out and six years later THIS??). Someone else said there was reference to Mrs. Glassman herself calling up Kate to plead with her to stop.

Kate writes a pleading email back pretending to be understanding but basically begging Haley not to back out, says something like it's important all women band together, blah blah. (No Kate it's important you MOVE THE F ON, GOOD LORD)

Funniest part, the two platitudes quotes at the bottom of Kate's email!! LOL, so 1998. So Kate.

By the way, in terms of authenticity, this is how a REAL authentic email conversation goes. It's confusing and out of context. I believe this conversation 100%. I'm just curious who turned it over to Radar. If it were Haley does that mean Haley is mad at Kate now for disregarding her wishes?

FYI said...

I, too, saw the ROL article showing the email exchange between Hailey, Kate, and a law firm.

Thanks to RWA, who found this link to that law firm and also published the text of one of those emails. This is the law firm, named in Hailey's emails with Kate.

http://www.woodcock.com/home/about.asp

This is the text of one of the emails from Hailey, which was posted at RWA.

"My mother called me last night saying she spoke to Kate, because I called Kate to let her know I will not be testifying since my mother can't handle the stress...

My mom spoke to Kate and said she couldn't get a word in but my mother told me to email you telling you my family and I will not testify and don't want involvement with anything having to do with them."

I do wonder how ROL acquired those emails, and also why they have deleted that post. This whole thing just gets stranger and stranger.

Will Kate ever realize that this whole thing is a lose, lose situation? The more she pushes, the more I'm sure Robert will push back. I admire Robert for not backing down. Kate must be so frustrated right now that her intimidation and extortion plans have not worked in her favor. She expected Bullyville to silence her detractors, but in fact, all this hoopla has proved just the opposite.

I publicly want to thank Robert for sticking to his guns and not running away like Kate had hoped he would.

mamaK said...

Does anyone remember what was happening in April of 2010? When Jon was kicked out? Would be interesting to have a timeline from that period.

Anonymous said...

mamaK,#11 the new article from Robert explains exactly what when down about the thrown away dics. A police report was even written up about this.

Leslie

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

This is spiraling out of control.

I have this vague fear that something terrible could happen. Like someone, one of these players, might lose it here. I hope to God I'm wrong. But what if, for instance, Haley is emotionally unstable right now and Kate has gone ahead against her wishes, and her family estranges her? What if Haley tries to hurt herself as a result? This is so out of control. Someone needs to put the brakes on before something goes terribly wrong.

Can't they just call a truce over things that happened in 2009??

FYI said...

Scarlett Parker ‏@parker_scarlett 43m
@Kateplusmy8 GM Kate! Sending u love & support! I hope u r shielding the kids from all this drama the best u can. #TruthWillPrevail

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 13m
@parker_scarlett yes-they are safe, happy and oblivious here....:)

Does Kate really think that her kids are oblivious to the current drama, or is that only wishful thinking on her part?

Mel said...

Someone on twitter was recommending that Schmeckygirl keep the screen shots out of the public realm for now.

Probably a good idea. Best to hold the cards close for now. Don't want to give Kate any ammunition.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You mean the drama SHE stirred up???

None of this ever would have happened without her role in it, does she not see that?

Sure Robert MAY have released his book again but by that time it would have been old news and it would have quickly faded away.

All she did was make it worse, and not to mention, she wants that book silenced so bad all I believe now is that it's the gospel truth. Otherwise she wouldn't care so much or could sue him traditionally. I think AuntieAnn said they're burning the house down to roast the pig. The barn and outbuildings are ablaze too.

I noticed that firm was an intellectual property firm. Copyright. Not defamation like Laverne and Shirley. Two different things.

I wonder what happened to Laverne and Shirley. Kate didn't pay her bills?

Pear said...

I am more of the thinking that she needed a copyright lawyer to fight this and she was advised to get someone close to home and in PA.

Tucker's Mom said...

I wonder what happened to Laverne and Shirley. Kate didn't pay her bills?
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Now who desperately needs the rent money??

Kate is insane if she thinks the kids don't see this at school. No friends speak of it, ever? 12 year olds?
Now way.
The kids have been raised to utterly disregard reality by simply not talking about it. The kids were told to say they don't want to talk about their show to any schoolmate who asked.
That's asking them not to share what was the bulk of their existence.

Pear said...

http://radaronline.com/2013/04/im-suing-kate-gosselin-for-releasing-my-texts-that-proved-jon-gave-computer-to-author-says-hailey-glassman/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Pear, that's what I'm pretty much thinking. This is a copyright issue at best. Obviously it's all true now, so defamation is out the window and I bet even Marty told her that. Doesn't he bill 700 bucks an hour? Even he wouldn't take that money knowing her case is sunk. Even then, I don't see how she holds a stake in the contracts. They aren't her intellectual property, they belong to Lane or Discovery.

She could try to make a case out of the emails but it will cost her hundreds of thousands when all is said and done.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

OH shoot!!!! Now Hailey is taking immediate action to sue Kate for releasing the text messages! And Hailey's family has the money and a mother PISSED at Kate and PISSED that someone she helped out of the goodness of her heart has burned them.

Look, this is Kate's fault. She stirred this all up. Don't the fans love Hailey? Watch them turn. People ask her not to do anything and she does WHATEVER SHE DARN WELL PLEASES ANYWAY. Eventually it was going to catch up. Poop's gonna hit the fan folks.

Is it too early for popcorn? Omelets anyone? Veggie ok?

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Admin said...

Basically it starts out with Kate and what appears to be some crackpot team, maybe of lawyers, of PR people? NOT Laverne and Shirley, some new people, communicating back and forth with Haley about setting up a time to talk on the phone. It was dated February 27 I believe. Then, at some point the text messages are given to Kate, and Kate says something like Thank you so much Haley I knew Jon was involved with that book and this proves it!

Then, oddly, Haley suddenly seems to have buyer's remorse and sends a very long email back to Kate saying that basically she changed her mind and does NOT want Kate to use those emails and does not want to testify because Mrs. Glassman her mom said if she does so the family will estrange her (you can't make this shit up) and that the whole family is so DONE with the Gosselin saga that it's all been too much for them (I actually feel sorry for Mama Glassman just trying to help someone out and six years later THIS??). Someone else said there was reference to Mrs. Glassman herself calling up Kate to plead with her to stop.

Kate writes a pleading email back pretending to be understanding but basically begging Haley not to back out, says something like it's important all women band together, blah blah. (No Kate it's important you MOVE THE F ON, GOOD LORD)

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If Admin's memory is right about that email date being Feb. 27, here's Kate first tweet that day. Now we know what her next "project" was. Ironic that she was simultaneously spewing platitudes about bullying all the while trying to bully Hailey into bullying Jon on the stand.


Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 27 Feb
It's a dark dreary and cold am here in Pa...but I have lots to do! On to the next project...I need to work hard&fast!
Have an energetic day!

FYI said...

Kate says she is all about positivity, but it seems that has become her second priority. She wants Robert stopped and stopped NOW!

As I am still catching up, has she even mentioned her book or promoted Wantable?

Her main goal seems to be stopping Robert's book at any cost and if, as her sheeple believe, it's all lies, why is she working so hard to reach that goal?

IMO, she's in panic mode and she'll do everything to discredit Robert, including throwing Jon under the bus yet again. She thinks she is fighting the "good fight", but in reality she's fighting a losing battle. She still hasn't realized that it's her kids who will become the collateral damage in all this current warfare.

Kate has shown not only in the past, but in the present, that her kids are the last people she cares about.

readerlady said...

Admin -- Love veggie omlets. just leave the mushrooms out, please.

Joy -- HUGE baseball fan here. Some of my earliest memories are of being taken to Cincinnati Reds games by my parents. My Reds are doing well so far this year. Couple of big blowout games against 2 very good teams, plus they are leading their division. Of course, it's early days, but I'm glad baseball is back. I like Football, basketball -- not so much, but baseball is my real love.

Wonder what today's events in the continuing soap opera/fantasy that is KKs life will be. Glad to hear that Hailey is suing KK. Now maybe the Wicked Witch of Wernersville will get a taste of her own medicine. stay tuned. This is only the beginning, folks.

Upstater said...

ooooooh, veggie frittata please! and coffee. These theatrics are getting good!

Anonymous said...

New article at ROL

Leslie

Pear said...

"I wonder what happened to Laverne and Shirley. Kate didn't pay her bills?
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Now who desperately needs the rent money??"

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Could we stop with this made up theory already?

That makes no sense. She just hired a different law firm and one in her state. Why spread rumors like this.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She tried to deny that was her in the car when someone said they saw her driving. Then she backtracked and said okay it was me. It's like she's so used to lying she can't even tell the truth if she wants to.

LOL she's a nutcase. Pass the straightjacket.

Laurie said...

Ah, the circle of Kate's life.

Kate puts out a call for people to help her "get Jon". Haley (also being somewhat of a fame whore) responds because she sees this as a way to get herself back in the news and either creates or doctors up some old text messages. My guess is that Kate and Haley probably talk on the phone before anything is sent to Kate. Haley mentions something to her parents (buyer's remorse?). Her parents advise her not to get involved especially if she can't prove (under oath) that everything is true. Haley sends an email to Kate (obviously to no avail since everything was published last night). Haley's mother calls Kate (again to no avail). Kate knowing that Haley doesn't want to go forward with this gives everything to BV anyway. Haley's parents' lawyers call either Kate, BV or ROL and threaten legal action. ROL pulls the article. Kate tweets the platitude about liars because this is her way of covering up the Haley connection as in "oh, she lied to me and I'm such a trusting person I believed her". The circle of Kate's life that begins with a lie and ends with a lie.

What have we learned from this? Kate is the one giving everything to BV. Kate will do anything to destroy Jon. Kate will do anything to keep Robert's book from being re-published. Kate only cares about Kate. Well we already knew all of that anyway, this just confirmed it for us.

Do you think that Dr. Glassman wants to take back the tummy tuck right about now.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Pear, whoa, it's just snark. Snark. He bills $700 an hour and she suddenly dropped her big bad lawyers. The obvious joke is she can't pay the bill.

Marie said...

Oh my goodness. I am really hungry this morning so omelets sound divine! This is better than daytime television.

Marie

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Although, why do you say that makes no sense Pear? Attorneys drop clients all the time once you burn through the retainer and you can't pony up anymore. It's not meant to be disrespectful, they need to eat too.

I bet Marty burned through the retainer, told Kate she'd be better of with hiring lawyers who specialize in copyright and live closer to her, and she dropped him. She wasn't about to fork over even more money to someone who doesn't know how to help her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Laurie, sounds like that's exactly how it went down.

I actually kind of sort of feel sorry for Hailey. She's young and seems to have similar judgement and leap without thinking problems that Kate has, ironically. However, her family was able to bring her back down to earth and get her to see that her involvement was not prudent. At least she listened to them. It sounds like they even gave her an ultimatum, enough is enough, get away from this family, all of them. She went back to her "friend" Kate, someone who by the way she was under NO obligation to help but was trying to help anyway, and explained how her family had talked her off the ledge and that she's very sorry but this was all one big mistake.

OOPS, she didn't count on Kate being NORMAL and saying that's okay Hailey I understand, thanks anyway for your time. Nope, Kate basically gave her an F-U and published everything ANYWAY. Astonishing. So, we also learned Kate has absolutely no respect for the wishes of those who are trying to help her.

On another note, who lowers themselves to rounding up ex girlfriends to get back at their ex for something three years ago? It's just insane. Move on!

Vanessa said...

The emails are back up on Radar with an interview with Hayley! This calls for keg of rumspringa!
She really thinks she's teflon kHate doesn't she? I hope the RICH plastic surgeon puts the "last nail in her coffin"

Zoe said...

Curious. Can Hailey really sue Kate for releasing texts that Jon wrote? It would seem like the text messages don't belong to Hailey. Hmmm

Tucker's Mom said...

I think Hailey's eyes are finally seeing the real Kate.
I believe Hailey when she says Jon manipulated her, I really do. I think their break up was ugly and she was involved with Jon at a point when he hadn't moved on yet and so yes, I believe Jon wanted to give it as much as he got from Kate.
That seems to have changed, but I don't know.
Why Hailey ever became involved is this mess with the journals and book is hard to understand. I can only fathom that Hailey thought she was helping the children and that her involvement would end at handing over the emails/texts.
It sounds like Kate really tried to persuade Hailey to crush Jon.

To any locals, because we know Jon's been silent, do you still see the kids with Jon? Is there any chance that the kids can't stand him (and vice versa) and don't want to see him?
I just find this so hard to believe, and I unfortunately can believe that Kate is seeking to revoke Jon's custody.

Terri said...

You just gotta laugh at the irony of the situation. I'm sure the last person the Kate ever thought would be suing her would be Hailey Glassman.

Tucker's Mom said...

Pear said... 41
"I wonder what happened to Laverne and Shirley. Kate didn't pay her bills?
*****
Now who desperately needs the rent money??"

88888888888

Could we stop with this made up theory already?

That makes no sense. She just hired a different law firm and one in her state. Why spread rumors like this.
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It's a euphemism that I took from Kate's playbook. Kate claims that any story that portrays her in a bad light is just lies made up by someone/"source" to get "rent money".
There's been a flood of Jon-negative articles, so, if the same applies, Kate apparently needs the rent money.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I believe text messages are considered private property, both incoming and outgoing. So yes she could sue. She could try to sue for invasion of privacy too. Kate's playing with the big boys now. She may not win in the end, but Kate will have to shell out a lot of money defending herself.

chefsummer #Leh said...

OH snap Hailey is possible going to sue KK I didn't see that coming.

Who's next her former nannies maybe her landury girls law mower boys. (maybe they saw the abuse).

Maybe Micheal Loahan will get Kate Major to sue.
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http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/im-suing-kate-gosselin-for-releasing-my-texts-that-proved-jon-gave-computer-to-author-says-hailey-glassman/
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I say go Robert go Jon go Hailey and anyone that stands up to KK.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Hailey maintains she didn’t want to be in the public eye again, and certainly not attached to the Gosselin name, but she won’t let this action by Kate slide.

“I never get involved with Gosselin crap and drama, but when it pertains to me and Kate illegally using MY information, with motives, to put Jon in jail, that’s when I put my foot down and speak out,” she told Radar.
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Radar Online.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Hey BV looks like you're defending a bully.

“But once I dropped out Kate bullied my mom on the phone with her manipulation tactics.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

A bully doesn't take no for an answer.

A bully publishes things even after the giver specifically asked them not to because the drama was creating catastrophe in their family and life.

A bully even tries to go after your MOM to browbeat you into submission.

BV looks stupid.

Anonymous said...

I am the one that posted the link to Radaronline Hailey/Kate e-mails. The way I found them was to do a search for Gosselin in Radars search key but they couldn't be found if you were scrolling through their pages and looking at the newest stories. I thought that was odd and I also thought it was odd that no one here was talking about it since I saw them as early as 9 p.m. last nite. I hope someone saved them somehow.

What is most disgusting is the dates on the e-mails, last week of this February into the first week of this March, I guess this is what Kate means when she says she is working hard, because taking down Jon has become her full time job, despicable !!

laurajean

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Clearly coffee will not be enough this morning; I will have a veggie frittata and sourdough toast, please.

Guess the s*#t is hitting the fan. Hailey G, not so young but clearly still unstable, initiates e-mails with KG hoping to get her revenge on JG years later. Her mother, who hoped this was ALL over, calls KG hoping to end this. KG, of course, talks through Mrs. G. Mrs. G tells Hailey the family has had ENOUGH, fix it or we cut off our support. This is where we are today. Drama to the enth degree. KG is getting exactly what she deserves, playing this game with unstable people.

And if she was seen driving a 'sweet ride' guess that rental Fiat turned into her new 3rd car, imagine that. Retail therapy to pretend you are not imploding your life away. Defend that one sheeple.

Looking forward to breakfast now, and since it is laundry day at my casa, I have time for reading this am. Taking KG's advice to have an energetic day, god how she abuses this language.

Anonymous said...

(This firm is based in Philadelphia. Looks like LaVerne and Shirley is not taking on this case.)
Referenced from the website at http://www.woodcock.com/

Woodcock Washburn is a national firm specializing in intellectual property law. Since its founding in 1946, the firm has provided personal service and trusted advice to clients across a wide range of industries and technologies.

The lawyers listed on the email posted at ROL
David J. Wolfsohn
Emphasis:
Intellectual property litigation

Aleksander J. Goranin
Emphasis:
Patent litigation
Copyright litigation
Trademark and unfair competition litigation
Licensing

Lesley McCall Grossberg
Emphasis:
Patent litigation
Copyright litigation
Trademark and unfair competition litigation

IDModo said...

As a grandparent, and an aunt, I'm wondering where Kate's family is in all this mess. Will the Kreiders grow the balls to step up and do something to save their grandchildren from all this ugliness, or do they think Kate is right? If so, they are as despicable as she is IMO.

My guess is that Jodi and Kevin also have information that could bolster Robert's position. Maybe it's not enough to just say "I did everything I could at the time."

If they were my grandchildren I would have tried to put a stop to this long ago, as I am sure most of us who are grandparents would.What is the matter with these people?

Anonymous said...

Well, Robert claimed those text messages are FAKE. So is Robert lying?

Or did Hailey make up those fake text messages and give them to Kate? And if Haiely faked those text messages, is she really going to sue Kate over fake text messages that she faked in the first place?

And how come ROL doesn't publish Robert's lastest message?
Leslie

chefsummer #Leh said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 3h
@parker_scarlett yes-they are safe, happy and oblivious here....:)
+++++++

Can she be this stupid????

The twins are 12yrs old with Iphones.

Your twitter and your TL is public and they have friends.

KK is so unaware so she's to selfish to care what her oldest daughters think of her.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

ID I wonder where the family is but didn't Kate estrange them all? Jodi and Kevin tried, they can't do anything, they're cut off. Grandparents have very little rights. As a parent if you want to estrange the grandparents you can go RIGHT AHEAD AND DO IT. It's very hard to get the courts to intervene unless the other parent is dead. You have every right to estrange your entire family if you so choose. Except the father--moo-ha-ha. This is why I've always said Kate hates Jon so much. He is the ONE PERSON she couldn't cut off and that has driven her to the brink of insanity.

It's a little scary to be a grandparent actually when someone like Kate is your daughter because your entire access to your grandkids depends on the parents.

Anonymous said...

RE: my post on the lawyers...perhaps these lawyers noted in the email CC line from Hailey are actually Hailey's lawyers and not Kate's as I originally assumed.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Lisa Davies ‏@LisasStars 5h
@Kateplusmy8 please RT 'Breakaway' who support kids with bowel problems, crohns, colostomy bags. Pls RT http://bit.ly/X86XhZ
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin
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Really????

Did she not see the J&K epis where her poor sons couldn't use the bathroom cause his bottom hurt?

And Kate did nothing but ignore him then she passed her sons off to Jon.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said... 10
Schmeckygirl who posts here a lot tweeted that she has screenshots of the radaronline emails that were deleted. Can someone you has twitter tweet her to come here and explain all this to us. Also you gave the emails to radaronline?
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The emails have not been deleted. They are still on ROL: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/im-suing-kate-gosselin-for-releasing-my-texts-that-proved-jon-gave-computer-to-author-says-hailey-glassman/.

The link to exclusive documents takes you to "page not found" but the emails are further down in the article.

Amy2 said...

I have not read all the comments before writing this. Kate has been saying for the past few weeks how busy she has been "working". Now I wonder if the working was actually her trying to get people to testify on her behalf. I'm getting a bit lost in all the goings on so I'm not sure what people are testifying for or against.

FYI said...

You can view the email exchanges between Kate and Hailey here:

http://radaronline.com/photos/email-exchanges-between-kate-gosselin-hailey-glassman-proof-kate-took-jons-incriminating-correspondence-2/photo/513613/

Page #7 really shows how what a bitch Kate is and that her goal in all of this is to bring down Jon, and also Robert.

I believe the truth in all of this will come out--and unfortunately for Kate, the truth will be her downfall.

Paula said...

Just my thoughts:

1. The texts from Hailey are fake – that’s why she and her mother are in such distress.

2. I believe the law firm referenced is Hailey’s.

3. There is just pure evil running through Kate Gosselin’s veins. I cannot get my mind around how anyone could still stand up for this woman.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I have a blackberry and the CC is only used in a subject when you want to send a photo not a text.

IDModo said...

Admin, I was really suggesting that even if they are estranged, they have voices, and could be advocating for the children using their voices and information. I realize they are between a rock and a hard place - their daughter or their grandkids- but IMO the kids' safety trumps Kate's (non)relationship with her parents.
I know that it's nearly impossible for g'parents to have access if parents say no.

Anonymous said...

did you see how she is all kissy kissy nice nice to Hailey luring her in, then she burns her? This woman doesn't have an authentic bone in her body. She was fishing for what she needed and didn't care what the damage would be to others. Count me in hoping Hailey sees through her now too. Oh and her fans. If she is being nice to you she's using you somehow get it?

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Kate will do anything to keep Robert's book from being re-published. Kate only cares about Kate. Well we already knew all of that anyway, this just confirmed it for us.

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And why do you suppose Kate will do anything to keep Robert's book from being re-published? Sheeple! -- because she knows what's in it is true and her own words.

We said Kate will keep digging and digging that hole until she finally digs all the way to China (where she's said she always wanted to visit), and she said one right thing in that e-mail -- this will put her in "a whole new light." Yes, indeed...but not the one that she wants to be put in!

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Any basketball fans who missed it can go to CBS sports online and watch the game, or watch it again. On to the next sports season! Any baseball fans? Who are you rooting for?

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The Yankees! ;-)

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

So will Kate sue Hailey for releasing her e-mails? Stay tuned...

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

I believe the truth in all of this will come out--and unfortunately for Kate, the truth will be her downfall.

===============

Somewhere, Scott from CC is sitting back, breathing a sigh of relief knowing that he got out of that mess just in time.
Somewhere, the head of The Stir is pulling out his/her hair, thinking 'what do we do now?'
I think Kate's day there are numbered.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else see this quote in the ROL article:

Hailey said:

“But once I dropped out Kate bullied my mom on the phone with her manipulation tactics. I called Kate to explain why we weren’t doing it and she cut me off and said, ‘Hailey this is good for you. It will clear your reputation and I will state what a good person you are and how you didn’t come into the picture dating Jon until a year after we broke up.’


So Kate never wanted to clear Jon's name when it came to the Medias portrayal of Jon being a womanizer, but if it would help her get an upperhand in getting the information she dangled the carrot to clear Hailey's name. (Hailey was called a 'homewrecker')
Kate is despicable.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

What is interesting is how family dynamics are at play here. Clearly Hailey Glassman, a grown yet immature young woman, is involved enough with her family to be concerned when they apparently threaten to pull their support over her latest bonehead maneuver. KG, estranged from her family by HER choice for years, has no such support system. In all fairness, I think any comments about the Kreiders are unwarranted. By all accounts they are relatively uninvolved in the lives of all, what is it, 17 grandchildren? And KG herself cut them off years before TLC gave her a ridiculous sense of entitlement. I am sure they have opinions about her life, but riding in to save the day is not on their agenda. She has nobody and it is her own doing.

Anonymous said...

Amin. #53 But could Hailey sue over fake text messages that she created?

Do you think Hailey faked these text messages?
Leslie

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 35

OH shoot!!!! Now Hailey is taking immediate action to sue Kate for releasing the text messages! And Hailey's family has the money and a mother PISSED at Kate and PISSED that someone she helped out of the goodness of her heart has burned them.

Look, this is Kate's fault. She stirred this all up. Don't the fans love Hailey? Watch them turn. People ask her not to do anything and she does WHATEVER SHE DARN WELL PLEASES ANYWAY. Eventually it was going to catch up. Poop's gonna hit the fan folks.

Is it too early for popcorn? Omelets anyone? Veggie ok?

************************************************

Kate had better try harder selling her crookbooks- she's going to need every cent.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

I think bv owes Robert & Jon an apology.

Ex Nurse said...

RH Fan said...
It's insulting to ExNurse to say she sounds like Goody. One has thoughtful opinions, the other goes on tirades.
________
Hopefully, I am the one that has thoughtful opinions...Thanks for your kind words. I haven't been able to read here since early evening last night, so have a lot to catch up on.

You know, just because I have opinions on Jon, doesn't mean that I haven't "moved on". I don't know why I have to keep saying that I believe that he is a loving parent and he is doing a pretty good job of keeping his head down.

Some here think of his 2009 flame-out as some kind of youthful exuberance. What is happening now, 4 years later, is a direct result. Action have consequences. Today's news was set in motion the day that they both signed that first TLC contract. It was a stupid decision then, and now we can clearly see why. It is a bad idea to bring children into the world that you can't support. It makes you do stupid things.

So now that Hailey Glassman has gotten herself back into the story, I wonder if we will be seeing this played out on her new reality show. Not sure if they have started filming yet--she was cast in Lena Dunham's new reality show about young women trying to make it in New York.


Lynne In RI said...

I'm trying to follow this. So Kate is the one who gave Bullyville the text messages who in turn gave them to ROL? Were they the actual messages or did Kate and/or Bullyville alter them in any way?

I don't understand how releasing those would stop the book from being published. Who cares how Robert got the information and how would those messages prevent him from re-publishing the book?

It sounds like a last desperate attempt from a desperate woman who doesn't want the world to know what's in that book.

FYI said...

I'm starting to wonder just what more info Robert has on Kate that she is going to such great lengths to discredit him, and pulling Jon into her battle against him.

When the book came out last September, she remained basically quiet, yet now she is going all gung ho to stop it. She is "working" overtime to get other people involved such as bullyville and Hailey.

The original edition of the book with her journals talking about her abusing her children was bad enough. I just have to wonder what more is there to the story to get her worked up into such a frenzy now.

mamaK said...

About Hailey's interview...she gives ROL "PROOF" that Jon is involved with the book but then when interviewed she says "IF he is involved with the book..." why would she say that if she knew Jon was involved?

And I again bring attention to the fact that what we are talking about is HOW the journal was obtained, NOT that the journal is a lie. Deflection at it's finest.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Millicent:
You didn't have to apologize. I am passionate,as I'm sure everyone here, about children or animals who are abused. I don't hate Kate I only want her to be exposed,and not keep being rewarded for her bad behavior. I have been following this saga for seven years, but I will stay with it until it comes to an end!

I like everyone here and so glad that people here care about the Gosselin kids.

Sorry Aggiemom but I have a new BFF Remona Blue, you are so gutsy girl and focused.
I am sick today with the flu so I think I'll just read today! Lots of new developments!

Tucker's Mom said...

Fleecing The Sheeple said... 77
*****
I've posted the same "sediments". Scott is somewhere laughing and saying "whew!". I admire Scott's ability to take definitive action to protect his company.
The Stir had better wisen up. They've hitched their wagon to Kate and this mud=slinging day in and day out? It's not doing anything good for their brand.

Ex Nurse said...

Dn't have time to get caught up right now, but I am waving a white flag of surrender. I have to say that the biggest sign that the emails aren't legit is the articulate language, punctuation and the lack of shorcuts. I remember seeing some other texts of his, and at the Gerry least, he used shortcuts (u for you) .

Most of my logic rests on the fact that all of the proof is authentic, and that Hailey's statement that an attorney pulled the records for her protection when Jon reported the burglary of their apartment. I assume that if any of the lawsuits see the light of day, forensic data will verify or disprove the authenticity of all of this.

I did predict that this would result in a circular firing squad. By the time this is over, there will be bodies strewn all over the place. If any of this goes to court, I hope it is covered on Court TV.

All we need now is for Robert to be found floating in the pool, Calling Mr. DeMille--Kate is ready for her close-up! (Sunset Boulevard).

AuntieAnn said...

Jane said... 6

AuntieAnn I think this clip you posted from GWOP (which sounds like it's from Hailey) is very telling!

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Jane - remember Ming Vasegate? Well, upon further investigation (ha!) of the Hailey, Stephani, Kate 2.0 period, I found another reference to that same gwop post here:

http://tvsnark.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/ming-vase-really-jon-and-why-do-all-jons-friends-have-the-same-lawyer/

Seems to me the person who posted that ,"I might know something", DID know something...like they knew Jon was being set up and knew the people in on it. I have to wonder if it was a friend of one of the three women, or maybe a TLC insider, who had signed a nondisclosure agreement, but had a conscience.


Sheesh. Is there a tiki bar in this rabbit hole anywhere?

Rhymes with Witch said...

I guess this is what Kate means when she says she is working hard, because taking down Jon has become her full time job, despicable !! 58

This is why I've always said Kate hates Jon so much. He is the ONE PERSON she couldn't cut off and that has driven her to the brink of insanity. 64

I think that both of these statements are accurate. I have always thought that she would prefer it if Jon was washed off the face of the earth.

I also think that part of her issue (only part) is that the kids LIKE Jon as well as love him.

P.s. Any baseball fans? Who are you rooting for? 198

Joy, resident of Red Sox Nation here.

Tucker's Mom said...

When the book came out last September, she remained basically quiet, yet now she is going all gung ho to stop it. She is "working" overtime to get other people involved such as bullyville and Hailey.
******
Robert has alluded to having an arsenal of additional, damaging information and photos, so perhaps Kate knows what Robert has on his hands and what he has so far kept close to his vest.
My sense is that further information will be released in the re-released book.
It's got to be *that* bad, otherwise, it's just a rehash of what was released last year, and that didn't cause any real blowback on Kate, as far as I could see.
Something has changed.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Some disjointed thoughts.

I remain under the impression that TLC paid for Jon's apt in NYC. That said, I think he spent money very freely for a time as he was a)
still under contract to TLC and b) thought he had potential media work.

He was in fact offered a Superbowl commercial that TLC quashed. Kate and TLC squished him like a bug under a shoe because they held
all the cards.

I find the "incriminating texts" highly suspect - just too perfect. Why didn't Lavely & Singer do something with them? In fact, why didn't these high powered and expensive lawyers take care of this alleged "book of lies"?

A "former Marine" can do it better? Maybe, if he is unscrupulous. He's been caught in at least one lie.

All of this reinforces my belief that Kate would like nothing better than to have Jon completely out of his own children's lives.

I also came across aword that I think describes Kate: snollygoster.
An unprincipled but shrewd person.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/snollygoster

Rhymes with Witch said...

Even Paul “Pauly D” DelVecchio, who has built a lucrative post-“Jersey Shore” career as a DJ and is signed to 50 Cent’s G-Note label, has had
a hard time adjusting. His first few weeks after “Jersey Shore” were so disconcerting that he’d find himself waiting to leave the
house, convinced a camera crew was getting ready to film him.

“Then you realize,” he says, “that no one’s waiting for you.”


I don't think Kate has realized this after YEARS. Who would have thought that one of the Jersey Shore guys was smarter than Kate? Umm,
never mind................

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_jersey_shore_hangover_4fC7CGWmKC6ucnjGFT4UjK/0

Mel said...

Ex-Nurse - always enjoy your comments, even if I don't always agree.

I go back and forth on Jon so much. Why is that?

Sometimes I think he's been totally wronged, and he *was* wronged by Kate/TLC. There was no fighting TLC. How could he? Who privately would have that kind of dollars?

They totally beat him into the ground. Kate would be happiest if he died and would therefore no longer have a say in what happens to the kids. She certainly behaves as if he died.

And then this kind of crap comes out, and I think yep, he may have been wronged, and he is certainly the better parent, but he's still a pretty sleazy person.

He's sleazy/gullible, she's mean/vindictive/lazy/entitled.

Kate we have figured out. Jon....not so much. He seems to be a conundrum, even after all these years.

Still struggling to understand. Maybe who he was in 2009 isn't who is is now.

Who knows. Is it because he's really turned over a new leaf? Or is it just because he's broke and doesn't have the resources be the old Jon?

I think at the time Jon was really into the game playing. Who knows if he still is.

However, all that being said, I *do* think that the best thing he can do right now is to be totally silent.

It's so interesting to how this will all turn out. One of those things you just can't look away from.

gabby2 said...

Anything for Krazy to abandon her mothering duties.

8 kids and she has time for this shit...

OrangeCrusher1 said...

And to the poster who is appalled by what she sees as cavalier comments about popcorn and meaball subs on the porch because she is 'sick' over all this Kategate, I say this in the kindest way: no one should be made physically sick over the latest unraveling of an internet stranger. If you are, then perhaps you need to step back into your own real life, get some fresh air and regain perspective.

While Kateworld is not the best place for her children perhaps, to the best of the knowledge of this group of internet strangers, they are fed, warm and dry, and in contact with their father. Do I think their mother may be unraveling, yes, but they are not helpless toddlers either. And since their mother is choosing to unravel rather publically, they are probably safer than some.

Tucker's Mom said...

All we need now is for Robert to be found floating in the pool, Calling Mr. DeMille--Kate is ready for her close-up! (Sunset Boulevard).
******
Kate is art imitating art more and more by the day.
The question is, who here has clean hands? Anyone? Doubt it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Sheesh. Is there a tiki bar in this rabbit hole anywhere?
******
Let's find the tiki bar, falafel stand and nail salon.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Oh forgot about baseball : Dodger Blue, through and through. They followed my mother from Brooklyn to LA, or so she said.

Incredibly sad to realize that the only thing that motivates KG to work hard is her quest to take down her ex. And since her tweens have Iphones, does she really not think about her insane public exposure? Spin this one, Milo.

Call Me Crazy said...

Has there been a peep about all this from the Bullyville camp?

Unknown said...

Two things from ROL's latest.....
They are STILL saying that Robert found the hard drive
AND
''“But once I dropped out Kate bullied my mom on the phone with her manipulation tactics. I called Kate to explain why we weren’t doing it and she cut me off and said,
'‘Hailey this is good for you. It will clear your reputation and I will state what a good person you are and how you didn’t come into the picture dating Jon until a year after we broke up.’'
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Once again....right out of KK's own mouth. I predict that KK is going to end up committed if she is not able to get a grip!

Silimom said...

I need to say that this is an interesting turn of events!

As for Robert's statements - according to Werny's site, it looks like Jon and Robert became at least acquaintances if not friends in 2009. So is it possible that they planned to write a tell all together in 2009? Yes. Is it probable? I really don't know. Jon made a lot of poor choices back then.

And for those that say Robert wouldn't lie, yes he would. Admin, what would Robert's liability be if Jon gave him the info rather than finding it in the trash? Could Kate sue him? I would think Robert has a great deal invested in being consistent in saying he found this info in the trash.

Again, I think Jon copied the info off their computer in 2009 with the intent of using it against Kate. I think when Robert helped him move, they knew Kate would throw out anything left behind without thinking about it which she did and Robert could say in all honesty "yes, I obtained this info from her trash." I think Kate's attorneys understand that if she gets up on the stand not only will Roberts material be entered into evidence but also that she can't deny that she was angry and threw out what was left of Jon's and that yes it's possible that she threw out the cd's etc. reasonable doubt is all an attorney would need to shoot her down in court.

If she had as Robert suggested just ignored the book it would have faded away. She's trying hard to protect a brand and reputation that just aren't' there. Very sad, a waste of time and bad for the kids.

Move on, Kate.

What's her Twitter look like?

Tucker's Mom said...

Still struggling to understand. Maybe who he was in 2009 isn't who is is now.
*****
Not condoning any behavior here, but can you imagine you are the BIGGEST STORY to hit the tabloids in years. You are highly sought after for interviews, photo ops and appearances (Jon and Kate both were at the time).
You are the "it" person, surrounded by "yes" people and you've made a shitload of money and have a lifestyle that rivals major Hollywood celebs.
Can you imagine how big your head must be (with no one around to remind you that indeed, your shit still does actually stink) with entourages of people around you and in your daily life? Can you imagine how invincible you feel/are?
Now flash forward 3 -4 years and no one wants you. You've got no real talent to have any staying power in the media and you've had to come back down to earth with the rest of humanity.
It must be very sobering in a come-to-Jesus kind of way.
So yes, I think Jon has changed from decent but unmotivated young man, to father of 8, to Celeb du jour with more money and sway coming in than you can shake a stick at, to yesterday's news. Chewed up and spit out.
Kate's leathery hide is a bit tougher to masticate, but she'll be expectorated sooner rather than later.
Yesterday's news.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Berks Neighbor. That is one of the worst comments I've ever heard from Hkate if she said that. She will be happy to clear Jon's name but only if she can use it to try to get his former girlfriend to provide some dirt. Otherwise what does she care? She is a bitter empty person.

westcoastie said...

If the point (or one of many points) of all this crap is/was to get sympathy for kate so that if/when Robert re-published the book she would at least have had a chance to hit the media outlets with her "poor-pitiful-me" routine yet again, well, I can only say: Bwahahahahahahahaha

Tucker's Mom said...

Tucker's Mom said... 98
All we need now is for Robert to be found floating in the pool, Calling Mr. DeMille--Kate is ready for her close-up! (Sunset Boulevard).
******
Kate is art imitating art more and more by the day.
The question is, who here has clean hands? Anyone? Doubt it.
******
art imitating life, ugh, smacks head ;)

westcoastie said...

Oh, and one other thing and I'll let you gals get back to what you are doing------

What could Robert have in his treasure trove of coffin nails that could be worse than being a child abuser? Murderer? Yes, but I'm pretty sure she didn't murder anyone.

If, say, there were photos of kate and purseboy bumping uglies, Jon would have used those in court. Though, why he didn't use the child abuse journal I'll never know.

You guys have a pretty good record of calling a spade a spade before the spade has been announced on ROL or Twitter. (Thinking cookbook most recently)

I am curious as to what you all think????

JoyinVirginia said...

I definitely need more than popcorn! junior mints. And raisinettes. And then take a break and take a nice long walk outside and enjoy the sunshine. Maybe a veggie tray with ranch or a yogurt dip. Mushrooms, cherry tomatoes, cucumber slices, green and red bell peppers. Anything else?
Hailey is the one with media connections to. She was on Girls, written and produced by Lena Dunham. Lena has 500,000 twitter followers btw. Judd Apatow executive produces Girls.
I hope hope hope some tiny part of this tempest that is bubbling up out of the teapot will end up on Girls or in an Apatow movie. The satirical possibilities are many!
Hey, Ms Kreider, Hailey being a home wrecker gives her street cred, dontcha.know! Ms Kreider is the vicious harridan who we saw on film insult, belittle, and hit her husband.

SaraMRN2010 said...

I swear I feel as if we are watching an epic add use of Springer with all of thus Kate drama.

westcoastie said...

Auntie Ann said......90

Sheesh. Is there a tiki bar in this rabbit hole anywhere?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
One can only hope

njay said...

Kate is a twit said... 85
I'm starting to wonder just what more info Robert has on Kate that she is going to such great lengths to discredit him, and pulling Jon into her battle against him.

When the book came out last September, she remained basically quiet, yet now she is going all gung ho to stop it. She is "working" overtime to get other people involved such as bullyville and Hailey.
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She had Steve to protect her. Also, wasn't she still under contract but not filming anymore, when Robert's book came out the first time? I can't remember. I don't know why but it seems to me that Steve's contract went on about six months after the TLC contract.

Girl From Up North said...

My thoughts and I apologize if it has already been supposed.....Hailey made up those emails to corner John just after they broke up, a sort of insurance policy. She gave them to Kate to get him back, albeit a few years later. Then she came to her senses and tried to reel them back in from Kate, fearing that SHE, Hailey, would get caught. No dice, Kate is not playing. Kate gives them to Bullyville.

I still tend to believe Robert's story.

Sheri said...

This whole thing defies description. Reminds me of the old saying,

"Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive."

The 'realest reality' show was a farce from day one and all these years later the consequences are raging on. Do those kids really stand a chance?

I'm glad Mr. Hoffman decided to publicly defend himself against the accusation that he and Jon "conspired to profit" off the allegations in the book. I'm even more glad that so far Jon has made no public statement. At this point it would serve no useful purpose for him to say anything.

Kate is digging her own grave and should be left to do it. How her followers can continue to support her in light of these most recent developments is totally beyond me.

The argument that she's just protecting her kids just rings so hollow. Really, trying to get an ex-girlfriend of Jon's to help publicly discredit him, as recently as a month ago, is defending her children?

Is she so adamant that her 'brand' can be revived and she will one day be restored to her former TLC sanctioned glory?

If that doesn't speak volumes about her state of mind, I don't know what does. All it says to me is that any adverse affect to her children, past, current or future, is simply collateral damage in the quest to save the 'brand', or rather, Kate's desire for fame.

Well, infamous IS a kind of fame, right?












Unknown said...

OK....when reading all the convoluted back and forth between everyone, I believe the best way to keep up and figure everything out is simple.....

Robert is telling the truth. No matter what anyone says, or insinuates, remember that Robert is telling the truth....and compare everything to what ROBERT said.

So....the ''texts'' that Hailey claimed were between her and Jon were fake. Once Hailey realized that she was getting pulled into a law suit by KK against Jon, she would have to either tell the truth that the ''texts'' were fake, or perjure herself, she told her parents. Her parents tried to get KK to back off, but it didn't work...after all no never means no to KK.

ROL is posting everything because they're getting page hits.

Robert said there was a police report of the night he helped Jon move out in the rain, because KK called the police. That can't be erased. More proof that Robert is telling the truth.

Five words...filter everything through those five words.
Robert. Is. Telling. The. Truth.



Jennifer said...

"As for Robert's statements - according to Werny's site, it looks like Jon and Robert became at least acquaintances if not friends in 2009."

Werny says a lot of things. She also presented that story about Jon sneaking on the property and letting the chickens loose as fact, when in reality Robert planted it to see if Al would divulge it to her (which he obviously did). Werny also claimed that the fan site Kate's sister and mom used to run was really run by fans masquerading as her sister and mother, when anyone (who was capable of seeing things rationally) could see that it was legit. So I'll take whatever "Werny" says with a grain of salt.

"And for those that say Robert wouldn't lie, yes he would."

And you know this as an absolute fact? How?

chefsummer #Leh said...

westcoastie said... 106
If the point (or one of many points) of all this crap is/was to get sympathy for kate so that if/when Robert re-published the book she would at least have had a chance to hit the media outlets with her "poor-pitiful-me" routine yet again, well, I can only say: Bwahahahahahahahaha
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I hope no one gives her the chance (Mean I know) I just don't want to see her TV anymore.

Mel said...

Tucker's mom #108....yes, exactly, You articulated it better than I did.

JoyinVirginia said...

Westcoastie, I am also curious about what could be fuelimg this venomous attack. Something that definitely confirms the infertility claims were fraudulent? Something that shows that somebody wasn't such a good Christian like they claimed? Can't be that, everyone loves a great story where the biggest sinner.asks for forgiveness.
See, if Ms Kreider had just not said anything about Hoffman, no one would be curious about the book at all!

Mel said...

Out of all the stories so far, I have to say that Robert's rings the truest.

Kate G, Kate M, Michael Lohan (stellar dad that *he* is), Hailey....can't believe a word ANY of them say. About anything.

Paula said...

With all due respect sillimom...."Werny Gal" has her own credibility issues.

Mel said...

I've often thought that Deanna Hummel and
Stephanie Santoro were set-ups.

Kate knew Jon's weaknesses best of anyone. She knew that as soon as he was set free from her, that his adolescent urges would kick in. That he thought he was 'desired' by all the young women.

So she and Steve set up some women to pursue him, knowing that he'd go for it. Their plan was to portray him as the cheating husband, and Kate as the cheated upon wife.

Except that for some reason they never really got provable goods on him.

Imagine how it would feel to later find out that it was all just a set-up by your ex-wife and her ....whatever he is.
That the women were never interested in you. They were just getting paid big bucks from Kate/TLC for their services, and it was too much for them to turn down.

How humiliating.

Country Gal At Heart said...

Wow. Just wow. I knew it. Kate's whole purpose in involving BV was not because she felt she was being harassed, and not to protect her fans from bullying (she doesn't give a flying fig about them), but to bring Jon down. She's manipulative and devious. Only this time it backfired. She's used BV and she's used her fans, and she used Hailey.

She says that everything she does is for her kids. Love to hear her explain how putting their father in jail is beneficial for her kids...so they can grow up knowing that their mother threw their father in jail and that he has a prison record?

Ingrid said...

Admin, In normal lawsuits wouldn't the people be instructed by their lawyers to keep quiet and not spread info all Wouldn't they use subpoenas to get those texts, the phone/computers they are on, or any other proof and just hang onto them while building their case? Wouldn't selling these things to ROL to publish hurt their case?

I can see some things leaking out yes, but all these links to pastebin to out people, images of texts and emails coming out, etc. seems wrong. Could it be that Kate is just using BV to bully everyone into stopping the book because the texts are faked and her lawyers "can't help her"?

I thought back to Kate's big meltdowns on the RV trip and how trivial the issues were. I can't believe she is holding it all together through all this. She is either ranting and throwing things all day while kids are gone to get rid of her anger or she is medicated to be able to tweet some of those sappy happy happy tweets and "keep the kids oblivious)

Country Gal At Heart said...

Werny says a lot of things. She also presented that story about Jon sneaking on the property and letting the chickens loose as fact, when in reality Robert planted it to see if Al would divulge it to her (which he obviously did).

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I remember that! When asked for proof there was none, saying that no police report was filed. Baloney. Every call that law enforcement makes is logged, whether a complaint was filed or not.

Tucker's Mom said...

Robert said there was a police report of the night he helped Jon move out in the rain, because KK called the police. That can't be erased. More proof that Robert is telling the truth.
*****
I believe that it happened, but don't get why. Why did Kate call the police and on whom did she call the police?
Obviously, Jon had a friend help him move out... in the rain... what is criminal about this? Obviously, Jon knows this person who maybe Kate didn't recognize. Was he not allowed to let someone in to help him.
If I wanted my ex the f*ck off my property, I'd tell him to bring his entire posse to get the job done asap.
Not. Computing!

Thanks for Going Off Topic said...

Ex Nurse said... 83

(snip)
Some here think of his 2009 flame-out as some kind of youthful exuberance. What is happening now, 4 years later, is a direct result. Action have consequences.

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I'm on topic for a change:). Ex Nurse, I agree with you quite frequently on your take on Jon Gosselin's irresponsibility in the past and his apparent collusion with Kate in exploiting their children. I also agree that his actions immediately after Kate filed for divorce had a devastating effect on the terms of the divorce and played straight into Kate's hands.

However, I don't think of his 2009 flameout as youthful exuberance. Having worked over the years with people who are survivors of domestic violence this type of flameout in people getting out of an abusive relationship is not that uncommon. Having had every move they make been controlled by the abuser for so long some, not all, survivors can go completely off the rails for a period of time.

I believe that Jon Gosselin was abused by Kate. He is not a strong personality and she ran the relationship. He was slowly isolated from his friends and family, verbally and emotionally abused (we saw the constant put-downs on film), and possibly physically abused way beyond the "love taps" we saw on the show.

Kate is controlling, I think we all agree, and wanted to control his every move. When he wanted to stop filming I'm sure she went after him with guns blazing. It must have been hell in that house.

Domestic violence causes severe psychological and emotional problems, including depression, anxiety, panic attacks and PTSD. Survivors also turn to alcohol and/or drug abuse to help with the pain. Their judgement is off. They can trust anyone who has a kind word for them because they are starving for positive attention. They are their own worst enemies and are extremely vulnerable to falling into another abusive relationship.

I think we saw that in Jon in 2009. As we know, and as leaked by the delightful (sarcasm) Ms Hailey Glassman after their break-up, he was drinking heavily, possibly doing drugs, and bitterly angry as Kate and TLC destroyed him in the press. Hailey was drinking right alongside him and enjoying her time in the spotlight although she wants to deny it now.

Jon Gosselin fell into the clutches of very shady people, and I include Hailey Glassman in with Lohan, and a series of questionably competent attorneys. Hailey wasn't that young. She needs to take responsibility for her own actions. I just glanced back at ROL's 30 odd articles focused on Hailey Glassman's trashing of Jon G. She is great at using the press and hardly a shrinking violet.

Jon has a lot to regret and apologize for and has made many mistakes. I hope he got some decent counselling in the end and has learnt to do better. He has certainly managed to stay quiet for a couple of years now.

Goodness knows what the truth is in these latest developments, but Kate is the one stirring things up now. How Robert Hoffman got the journal in the first place is not the issue. As others have said, deflection!

I do feel horrible for the Gosselin kids. Kate is the one who is totally off the rails today. I also feel sorry for Mrs Glassman. I'm sure she regrets ever having mentioned Kate's tummy to her husband.

Sharon said...

I was ready to stop following the Gosselin saga until I read Robert's book. I remember sitting here at times with tears swelling up just thinking about how anyone could be so cruel to a little precious toddler. The more I read, the angrier I got, to think that I allowed myself to get hooked on that show.
I already had a soft spot in my heart for Jon with the tender way he handled the kids, and most of all, for his sense of humor. I would think, he's the kind of guy that everybody needs for a friend. I'm certain Robert felt that way too.
Robert is a very sensitive, thoughtful and compassionate person, and I was touched by his way of telling the story. It was very real and brutally honest.
I pray that Jon and Robert will be vindicated soon, but I'm not holding my breath. Who knows how long Kate will keep fighting. She is living in a fantasy world and refuses to see what she is doing to those children. Alienating them from their Father will scar them for life, and they need our prayers more than anything else we could possibly say. I don't think praying for Kate will work...she is too just far gone...

Millicent said...


And yet that's exactly what you gals do here to Kate G every single hour of the day. You have no idea how Kate treats her kids now what goes on in their home. Try a little of your own advice.
* * * *
I know this is old in terms of blog postings (from yesterday afternoon), but I wanted to respond. We do have some idea of how Kate treats her children now, and not only because she keeps posting about them. She most recently put them on television again on CWS, and she would sign them up for a weekly show in a second.

Katykat said...

Wow...And now she'll need to spend more of the kids' $$ if Hailey pursues her lawsuit. This woman makes me sick.

I LOVE baseball! I coach both of my sons' teams. Love all of the MLB teams...well, all but one. Can't stand the Yankees. ;)

Melissa NV said...

Kate is digging her own grave and should be left to do it. How her followers can continue to support her in light of these most recent developments is totally beyond me.

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I think that they gradually will be leaving the flock. Not all of them, of course, but I think that this is the beginning of the end for her. All except Milo, of course, who would defend Kate even if she put out a contract on Jon. Milo will say that Kate was forced to do it because she had to protect herself and her children.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

It must be killing Kate that she has lost control of the situation.

Doesn't she realise that her games of destruction are going to destroy her?
Isn't she scared that her instability might result in her losing her children?

I think that more people are starting to understand just how mean she is. I wonder if bv
is going to make her life miserable as well for lying to him?

Who will she hire next to bully people?

The Mafia?

*I'm full of questions, today ;o)

Sue Buddy said...

Did someone above ask what Bullyville is saying these days? Not very much, but this one is ironic:

Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 1h
If you didn't see it with your own eyes or hear it with your own ears, don't invent it with your small mind & share it with your big mouth.

Tucker's Mom said...

Mel said... 122
I've often thought that Deanna Hummel and
Stephanie Santoro were set-ups.
******
It's something to consider.
What I found odd (and really creepy) was Deanna's brother so willingly sharing about his sister (allegedly) schtupping Jon, as evidenced by the noises he heard.
I mean, gross!
Most guys wouldn't want to even think about their sister having sex let alone talk about it.

Snickdog said...

I think Hailey's speaking to ROL is her way of publicly telling Kate to STOP.

Hailey knows the texts are fake. Kate may not have known that before, but Hailey is trying to tell her now!

"Stop or I'll sue you!" translates to "Please don't use these texts in any type of legal action--they're as phoney as your good bra!"

Ingrid said...

part of my sentence got erased *not spread info all over the internet*

Melissa NV said...

As for Robert's statements - according to Werny's site, it looks like Jon and Robert became at least acquaintances if not friends in 2009. So is it possible that they planned to write a tell all together in 2009? Yes. Is it probable? I really don't know. Jon made a lot of poor choices back then.

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Don't forget that she and Al are thicker than blood and that Al hates Robert. Enough said.

Millicent said...


Wouldn't Bullyville which Ex Nurse says has all their ducks in a row make sure the lawyer they are talking to is actually a lawyer? State Bars are all public record and most have a very easy search function to make sure your lawyer is licensed, you can do it in two seconds flat.
************
McGibney wants everyone to believe he's so smart. Well, if he got an e-mail or phone call from someone claiming to be an attorney - he should have gotten that attorney's name and looked him up. Find his official State Bar listing, then called the number listed, and asked to speak with the attorney - just to confirm everything.

So, he either took some stranger's word over the phone or an e-mail, and thus is a gullible fool.

Or, he made the whole thing up.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Kate's shocked-flock are in denial.

It doesn't matter to them that it looks awful bad for their defective idol.

It reminds me when our armed forces rolled into Bagdad. The Iraqi defense minister was having a press conference by an open window. He kept on saying that they were still in control, that no one has taken over Bagdad, etc...

But if you looked past his shoulder, you could see our tanks rolling through Bagdad as clear as day.

It's o.k. sheep. Life goes on. You will go on without Kate. I promise.

lukebandit said...

On Robert's new post he said that the picture of kate spanking Leah for blowing the whistle OUTSIDE and showing her underwear SOLD FOR $70,000 DOLLARS!

If that was Chris taking that photo, KATE GOT A HUGE CUT FROM IT! Just think, In kate's world, CHILD ABUSE PAYS! I feel so bad for Leah finding out this one day! What is she going to think? What is that poor baby going to do?

kate, she is a freaking multimillionaire. Oh, I forgot and 40 years old, according to Robert! hahaha What is kate going to say? He lies about my age, so why would you believe the lies in the book? hahahaha

GO ROBERT GO GOD BLESS YOU!

AuntieAnn said...

Hailey's parents are two more victims caught in Kate's web. I feel sorry for Dr. and Mrs. Glassman. Mrs. G seems like a compassionate woman who like many of us got lured in at the beginning when she saw Kate's jowls of the dog stomach, and she and her husband were only trying to be helpful. Little did they know who and what they were dealing with. Now their daughter is involved in this whole sordid mess. It has to be a nightmare for them.

Melissa NV said...

About Hailey's interview...she gives ROL "PROOF" that Jon is involved with the book but then when interviewed she says "IF he is involved with the book..." why would she say that if she knew Jon was involved?

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What I saw in those texts were statements of intent. He wanted to get the "hard drive" and let a friend hold it. The texts were written BEFORE anything was actually done, were they not? Where is the proof that he actually carried through with this and gave them to Robert?

So much going down, I may have missed that part.

Unknown said...

Ingrid said... 124
''...Could it be that Kate is just using BV to bully everyone into stopping the book because the texts are faked and her lawyers "can't help her"?''
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is what I said last night...(really wee hours of this morning on comment 371)
'I should be ashamed to admit it (I'm not) but I am sitting here smirking that we're seeing the ''work'' she is getting all dressed up to go to is......punking bully boy into dealing w/attorneys in yet another idiotic, failing scheme to shut up the people who are saying hateful things to her. ....AND yet another pathetic attempt to not only stop Robert's book, but to make Jon PAY and PAY and PAY that she can no longer control him!!!''

NJGal51 said...

Any basketball fans who missed it can go to CBS sports online and watch the game, or watch it again. On to the next sports season! Any baseball fans? Who are you rooting for?
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LET'S GO METS!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

So have any of them realized she doesn't give a flying fig about their own bullying struggles and was just using this whole thing to get to Jon? I'd feel so used.

Melissa NV said...

Janet Hicks ‏@JHicks1712 2h
@Kateplusmy8 when will the Gosselin family be visiting South Africa.

LOL!! I Kind of think that going to South Africa isn't on Kate's list of top priorities right now!

Sheri said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 13m
@parker_scarlett yes-they are safe, happy and oblivious here....:)

*******

If this is true, and somehow I doubt it, it won't be true for long.

What happens when the kids are no longer oblivious to the nonsense that's going on?

Do you think they'll be happy to know their parents engaged in a publicity war that appeared more based on their hate for each other than on love and respect for their kids' privacy?

Will they be happy to have to spend the rest of their lives reconciling their sold-to-the-masses-for-entertainment childhoods? Will they feel compelled to take sides?

Who will they have to blame? Their parents? TLC? The people who watched the show?

********************

To Tomatoes - I know I said earlier that I disagree that anyone who merely watched the show should feel responsible for "giving Kate the opportunity" to abuse her kids.

Though I still stand by that, I also think I understand a little better now what you were saying.

By watching their show I was complicit in providing a market for TLC to sell it to. Had no one watched, the show wouldn't have made it past the first special and maybe Kate's ego wouldn't have gotten so out of control.

Anyway, what a freakin' mess and the worst part is that I suspect it's only going to get worse.







Call Me Crazy said...

Sue Buddy said... 133

Did someone above ask what Bullyville is saying these days? Not very much, but this one is ironic:

Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 1h
If you didn't see it with your own eyes or hear it with your own ears, don't invent it with your small mind & share it with your big mouth.
____________________________-

Hi Sue Buddy. I asked about it. Thank you for the update. I am waiting to see how BV spins things now. He seems quite the vindictive sort, so if he finds out he was played, things could get much uglier for Kate.

Unknown said...

Tucker's Mom said... 126
''....I believe that it happened, but don't get why. Why did Kate call the police and on whom did she call the police?
Obviously, Jon had a friend help him move out... in the rain... what is criminal about this?''
~~~~~~~~~~~
Remember the five words? (Robert is telling the truth)
What did Robert say about the incident? On his Gosselin Book blog, Robert said:
'' Interestingly enough, there’s a police report on file documenting the fact that Kate called the police on me because I was at the house at night in the rain on April 28, 2010 helping Jon move his belongings out of the apartment above the garage because Kate told him that anything that was left would be thrown in the trash the following day. She was so spiteful and mean-spirited that she called the police on someone helping Jon move things out of the garage, in the rain. The report also states that she knew I was a reporter, and yet she still threw his things to the street.''

Mel said...

We've all seen Kate's lame, idiotic blog posts. Filled with triteness, exclamation marks and made-up words.

Tell me that she wrote those emails to Hailey.
Far, far too coherent.

Mel said...

What happened to MadBritishGuy?

Is he still a part of this story? Or part of BV? He seems to have disappeared.

This is getting way too complex, eh?

Let's throw tomatoes said...

GO DODGERS, ANGELS, OAKLAND "A", TEXAS RANGERS, IN THAT ORDER!

That's it!

Depends on Your Perspective said...

Remona Blue said... 115
OK....when reading all the convoluted back and forth between everyone, I believe the best way to keep up and figure everything out is simple.....

Robert is telling the truth. No matter what anyone says, or insinuates, remember that Robert is telling the truth....and compare everything to what ROBERT said.

*********************************

You can believe whatever you want, but you have no proof that Robert is telling the truth, so basing everything on that assumption has no more validity than any other theory. I happen to think Robert is a nut job (opinion, not fact), which doesn't mean that everyone else in this bizarre tale has clean hands, but it does mean that I certainly wouldn't filter my perceptions through the lens of "Robert the purveyor of all that is righteous and true."

Lynne In RI said...

By watching their show I was complicit in providing a market for TLC to sell it to. Had no one watched, the show wouldn't have made it past the first special and maybe Kate's ego wouldn't have gotten so out of control.

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But that still wouldn't have stopped any abuse that was going on in the house.

Mel said...

What I found odd (and really creepy) was Deanna's brother so willingly sharing about his sister (allegedly)

Wonder what percentage his cut was?

OOpppps said...

I’m Suing Kate Gosselin For Releasing My Texts That Proved Jon Gave Computer To Author, Says Hailey Glassman


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/im-suing-kate-gosselin-for-releasing-my-texts-that-proved-jon-gave-computer-to-author-says-hailey-glassman/

Terri said...

Why doesn't Kate just sue Robert Hoffman if this book is full of lies. Why go to all the trouble of contacting an ex of Jon's from 3 years ago to stop the book. I know why. Because it's all true, so the next best thing for Kate in her twisted mind is to go after Jon who is the reason for every bad thing that has ever happened in her miserable life.

Marie said...

So many twists and turns here. Al and Werney don't like Robert or Jon I assume. Werney writes a book. Al writes a book. Robert writes a book. None of them sell because no one is interested in the Gosselins any longer. Kate is still mad as hell at Jon and will do anything to show him in a bad light, even if it means exposing her children to the sordid false details. Kate loses everyone in her life, including her ex-bodyguard/boyfriend and now her attorneys, because apparently they can't help her. She lures in BV to save her from all of the "bullies" but really to stop the publication of Robert's book, with fake text messages to help her throw Jon and Robert under the bus and now that is going to backfire big time. She apparently made up with Hailey at some point in this whole sleazy affair but Hailey is now suing her for selling (?) emails to ROL that she had given Kate but then changed her mind. If she put this much effort into doing good things in her life, she would be admired by everyone.

Marie

chefsummer #Leh said...

Melissa NV said... 146
Janet Hicks ‏@JHicks1712 2h
@Kateplusmy8 when will the Gosselin family be visiting South Africa.

LOL!! I Kind of think that going to South Africa isn't on Kate's list of top priorities right now!
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If she can grift a free trip she would love to go.

Lynne In RI said...

I think that they gradually will be leaving the flock. Not all of them, of course, but I think that this is the beginning of the end for her. All except Milo, of course, who would defend Kate even if she put out a contract on Jon. Milo will say that Kate was forced to do it because she had to protect herself and her children.

__________________

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 26m
@Kateplusmy8 Its not right 4U ever 2have 2stand alone....rest assured so many R sympathetic/supportive of U! Do what U have 2do!

Yes, Milo --- Kate should lie, cheat, steal, encourage "outing" and anything else she needs to do to bring Jon down. Never mind how the kids will be affected by all of this. Did you learn that at your Sunday meetins?

Fired Up 4 Kate Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 27m
@Kateplusmy8 #Hailey The tale of 2women mistreated, abused, lied to, cheated on & bullied by the same evil little man!

She really IS nuts, isn't she?

readerlady said...

My thoughts on what Robert has that he hasn't revealed? I think he has proof positive that KK was having an affair with Steve long before the marriage broke up. Think about it. Jon apparently told Kevin and Jodi that KK had told him it was over and that he suspected KK and Steve were sleeping together. If this is proven, it blows EVERYTHING she's done out of the water. She/TLC painted Jon as responsible for the marital break-up and she's done the "poor scorned wifey, single mother of 8" routine since. Proving her responsible and not Jon turns everything on its head.

Re Werny saying Jon knew Robert in 2009 -- Robert didn't deny that Jon knew him then. He said Jon didn't trust him then.

Remona -- I agree. Robert is telling the truth.

AuntieAnn said...

Mel said... 151

This is getting way too complex, eh?

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It's a chess game and the eight pawns are the weakest pieces on the board. It's all so very sad.

Unknown said...

Depends on Your Perspective said... 153
''.....You can believe whatever you want, but you have no proof that Robert is telling the truth, so basing everything on that assumption has no more validity than any other theory.''
~~~~~~~~~~
You know what? When you're right, you're right. It DOES depend on my perspective. My perspective is MY perspective....whose perspective would MY perspective be, if not mine?

LaLaLandNoMore said...

I've been exposed to the narcissist and to the passive-aggressive. Both are rediculous and horrible to live with. Run as fast as you can in the other direction. The ones I have been around never admit they have a problem. All the other person's fault, no matter what. It is very difficult to co-parent with a person afflicted with either condition. Impossible, really.

MJ said...

Ho, ho, ho...who is calling whom the bully, Kate?! (anyone know how the sheeple are defending Kate's actions with Hailey and her mom, or are they claiming that Hailey is lying?)

(from the radar online interview w/Hailey)

"“But once I dropped out Kate bullied my mom on the phone with her manipulation tactics. I called Kate to explain why we weren’t doing it and she cut me off...’

“Kate got really aggressive with me — and especially with my parents — trying to convince us to participate, but it just wasn’t going to happen.”

“She is using it and having BullyVille be her mouthpiece.” Hailey noted the irony of Kate using her material without permission while a furor erupts over Hoffman using material without her permission."

Hailey told Radar, “Kate’s perception of reality is off, fueled by her narcissism and she is by far the biggest bully I have ever encountered. It boggles my mind that she is going after anyone on Twitter who has tweeted her negatively."

“I never get involved with Gosselin crap and drama, but when it pertains to me and Kate illegally using MY information, with motives, to put Jon in jail, that’s when I put my foot down and speak out,” she told Radar.

“Whether Jon is behind this book or not, it’s wrong…and if everybody’s wrong, nobody is right.”


Who would have ever thought that Hailey of all people would be a voice of reason in this mess?

***

Tuckers Mom,
You asked if the kids still see Jon. I'm not a local but after what Hailey said in the Radar interview and what we know about how vindictive Kate is and her retaliation activities against Jon, I can't imagine that Kate hasn't done everything in her power to poison the kids' view of their Dad. I'd be shocked if it was otherwise and as a result that some of them don't want to spend as much time with him as they used to. I keep coming back to what has been said so often about Kate about her being guilty of parental alienation. Just like when Robert's book came out confirming what many thought about the abuse, what was exposed in Hailey's interview w/Radar confirmed what we've thought of Kate's bullying and hatred of Jon and the lengths she'll go to exact her revenge.

Now, back outside to enjoy the great weather we're having this week. Spring has finally sprung!

PatK said...

I've been running errands the last few hours, get home and check Twitter, and the first thing that jumps out at me is this one from Milo:


miloandjack

@MeInAtlanta @Kateplusmy8 Kate needs alot of hugs/support! It's mind-boggling 2just take care of her 8! She doesn't need this other junk!



Ummm...Milo? She's MAKING "this other junk" happen.

Now, I'm off to catch up on all the other comments, tweets, etc.

Anonymous said...

Who is this milo person? Even Hailey didn't want any part of it. She told Kate she was out. Kate went ahead anyway. How bad is it when even Hailey has better sense than Kate Gosselin?

Ex Nurse said...

Okay--I am trying to get the whole text/email thing straight. I agree that the texts are suspiciously articulate. However, Hailey said that the reason her attorney got them from Verizon was to exonerate her from the burglary charge. Which she was--exonerated, I mean. She said that she had proof that Jon had gifted her the items that were "stolen", but she referenced the fact that he was doing that because otherwise the whole apartment would be seized. Just a guess, but maybe so that his expensive Ming vase (???!) and other furnishing weren't included in the marital assets. 

Well, we know that Hailey was exonerated from the burglary charges. Which means that the police were satisfied with her proof. But, these texts, supposedly pulled at the same time aren't legitimate?

I am thoroughly confused and I am not asserting any particular scenario--these are the facts as they stand right now

SCgal said...

I thought that Robert's big thing was that he has other proof of Kate's abuse besides her journals.

MJ said...

Tucker's Mom,
You ask why would Kate call the police when Jon was moving his stuff from the garage apartment.
From Robert's most recent blog post he states:

"She was so spiteful and mean-spirited that she called the police on someone helping Jon move things out of the garage, in the rain. The report also states that she knew I was a reporter, and yet she still threw his things to the street.

Millicent said...

Thanks for Going Off Topic said... 127
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Thank you for your post. I have long believed that Jon was the victim of an abusive spouse. Some people think only women can suffer abuse from their male spouses, but it happens to men too, and it's no less real, nor devastating.

Abuse doesn't start out full-blown. Abusers pick their victims carefully, looking for the type of person who is susceptible. It starts very mildly, with "jokes" about your partner (their looks, their poor grammar, their intelligence). If the partner says, "hey, that's hurtful" the abuser will laugh, and say "I was just kidding. Can't you take a joke?"

Once that barrier has been broken down (and the partner's self-esteem is weakened), then comes the little physical stuff. A push here, a "love tap" there. I think Kate didn't physically hit Jon as much as she was just plain relentless in making him give in on every little thing. I recall in her journal how angry she got when she discovered Jon had eaten lunch out one day while at work. I guess she saw a credit card statement. He had defied her and ate lunch out, and she was furious with him. It showed that she didn't have total control (yet).

I think it eats away at Kate to see Jon living a happy life. She didn't want him, but she can't banish him from her life until the children are all over the age of 18. If the children really do tell her that they don't like spending time with their father, it's probably something they've learned to do to avert the worst of Kate's wrath. I know they love their father and are happy when they are with him; but I think they know better than to share that openly with their mother.

I have had friends who were victims of an abusive partner. What they have all shared with me is that it happened so gradually, they didn't even realize it, until it got to the point where it was really, really bad and they were so ashamed to admit it. It must be much harder for men to admit they are being abused, because everyone thinks they should be stronger than that.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

PatK said... 166
I've been running errands the last few hours, get home and check Twitter, and the first thing that jumps out at me is this one from Milo:


miloandjack

@MeInAtlanta @Kateplusmy8 Kate needs alot of hugs/support! It's mind-boggling 2just take care of her 8! She doesn't need this other junk!



Ummm...Milo? She's MAKING "this other junk" happen

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Kate is certainly causing this mess.

Maybe millionaire Kate will let Milo move in, so she can be free to go on her "business trips", etc... ;o)



AuntieAnn said...

“She is using it and having BullyVille be her mouthpiece.” Hailey noted the irony of Kate using her material without permission while a furor erupts over Hoffman using material without her permission."

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Haha.

Hey Kate - time to pack up and head on over to KarmaVille.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

MJ said... 165
Ho, ho, ho...who is calling whom the bully, Kate?! (anyone know how the sheeple are defending Kate's actions with Hailey and her mom, or are they claiming that Hailey is lying?)

(from the radar online interview w/Hailey)

"“But once I dropped out Kate bullied my mom on the phone with her manipulation tactics. I called Kate to explain why we weren’t doing it and she cut me off...’

“Kate got really aggressive with me — and especially with my parents — trying to convince us to participate, but it just wasn’t going to happen.”

“She is using it and having BullyVille be her mouthpiece.” Hailey noted the irony of Kate using her material without permission while a furor erupts over Hoffman using material without her permission."

Hailey told Radar, “Kate’s perception of reality is off, fueled by her narcissism and she is by far the biggest bully I have ever encountered. It boggles my mind that she is going after anyone on Twitter who has tweeted her negatively."

“I never get involved with Gosselin crap and drama, but when it pertains to me and Kate illegally using MY information, with motives, to put Jon in jail, that’s when I put my foot down and speak out,” she told Radar.

“Whether Jon is behind this book or not, it’s wrong…and if everybody’s wrong, nobody is right.”

Who would have ever thought that Hailey of all people would be a voice of reason in this mess?

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Well, there you go.

That Kate is something else.

I guess she will not be sending the Glassmans
a Happy Hannukah/ Happy New Year card this year.

Anonymous said...

Where did Hailey get these texts from Verizon from? I mean texts don''t show up on your phone bill. Does Verizon (or phone company) keep a record of all the texts a person sends?

If so, why doesn't Jon get a record from Oct. 09 from Verizon showing that he did not text those messages? Wouldn't that solve the debate.

I don't have a cellphone, so yes I am clueless.
Leslie

PatK said...

I wonder what this week's blog post will be about at The Stir. Choosing the Best Law Firm? lol

Vanessa said...

"Think about it. Jon apparently told Kevin and Jodi that KK had told him it was over and that he suspected KK and Steve were sleeping together."*******************************

Oh I would laugh and laugh if there's a draft of THE CONTRACT that aledgedly was drafted for Jon to sign on those discs! You know the one where they were done, but for the sake of the show, they would pretend to still be together? The one Jon told Kevin and Jody about?

AMD said...

It's now so apropos that Kate is blogging for "The Stir" cause she certainly is good at stirring up drama.

Unknown said...

AuntieAnn said... 173
“She is using it and having BullyVille be her mouthpiece.” Hailey noted the irony of Kate using her material without permission while a furor erupts over Hoffman using material without her permission."
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And now Hailey is saying what I've been saying for a long time. BullyVille is being PUNKED by KK.

My next prediction is that once Bv FINALLY realizes how badly KK has punked him, he will turn on her.

It won't be pretty, because Bv has made it clear that (unlike Robert) he doesn't really care if what he says is 'provable'...he will say whatever, do whatever, in order to get even with KK for punking him into 'helping' her!! Time will tell.

Amy2 said...

This reminds of of when Lance Armstrong was finally caught for his bad doings. Once people came forward everything just snowballed. Lance couldn't control anything, the media, his fellow bikers, etc. The same thing seems to be happening now. Kate has control of nothing; Hailey, her parents, her journals, the books, Robert Hoffman and most importantly, Jon.

Sheri said...

Lynne In RI said... 154

By watching their show I was complicit in providing a market for TLC to sell it to. Had no one watched, the show wouldn't have made it past the first special and maybe Kate's ego wouldn't have gotten so out of control.

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But that still wouldn't have stopped any abuse that was going on in the house.

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Oh, I agree. I also stand by the statement I made earlier regarding this issue that without the crew and handlers, the abuse may have been much worse.

I was merely making the association that without an audience, of which I admit to being in the beginning, TLC would not have had a market to start with.

Beyond that, almost everything about this scenario is still speculation.

Except this, 8 kids are stuck in the middle of a media war their parents started before most of them were even born.

This will be one for the record books.

Susie Cincinnati said...

@MeInAtlanta @Kateplusmy8 Kate needs alot of hugs/support! It's mind-boggling 2just take care of her 8! She doesn't need this other junk!

Is Milo really this far gone in her Kate obsession and love for her that she really doesn't see what's happening here, or does she have to put up this Lovefest front so she saves face? To admit that Kate played any part in this fiasco would be like having egg all over her face.

Susie Cincinnati said...

Who is this milo person?

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Nobody seems to know -- yet. She/he/it is totally in love with Kate and will defend her to the ends of the earth. If it's a girl crush, a guy thing, or just an obsessive, delusional fan still remains a mystery.

One thing is known. This person appears to be crazy, as well as annoying and is in desperate need of intensive psychological counseling.

Vanessa said...

"Who cares how Robert got the information and how would those messages prevent him from re-publishing the book?"
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I think in her warped deranged mind, if SHE'S going down jon's going down too.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Robert's other 'proof' is police reports or some other public entity's reports acquired through a freedom of information act request(s).

Talked, then Stalked.

Tucker's Mom said...

Sharon said... 128

So beautifully said.
I also pray that Jon is the good man I believe him to be, and that he steps up and becomes the hero here and rescues the kids from all of this turmoil. Turmoil that no doubt spills into their little lives.
I just can not fathom how bad Kate thinks Jon to be to want to pursue diminishing or obliterating his parental rights and visitation.

shiitakemushroom hitting the fan said...

‏Wait. What?


@MY_3BXXXX
@hAiLeYgLaSsMaN1 @XXX @BullyVille Don't you realize that by suing Kate you are bullying her? Now you're like Jon. All about $$$$ #sad

Susie Cincinnati said...

irishfan ‏@irishfan47 15m
@Kateplusmy8 the looks and body of a 20yr old;)

Then there's this one who has been sucking up to Kate for some time and she won't date him. He's drooling over her and just waiting for her answer. Of course, it could be a female just pulling her leg.
Why does she attract these unstable people?

Foxy said...

Is it possible that Hailey wrote those emails to herself "from Jon" because he accused her of breaking into the New York apartment, and this was her way of trying to cover her own a** in case he sued her? And now she is getting nervous because she is being involved in something that will only get her in more legal trouble with this family. I feel bad for all the innocent people who have crossed her path. But as they say, "every dog has their day and every cat has their night". Just wait.

LAgrand said...

Any parent who wants to completely shut off the father of their children from them is a despicable, low life, vindictive shrew. I have no doubts that she has manipulated those children against Jon. They are young and just don't see it yet. But they will. Those poor children will find out what Kate has done eventually and they will hate her. Especially those poor boys. This woman needs to grow up and change her ways or she will be fully alone after they grow up. God what a horrible female.

Admin you called this long ago, you saw the 'parent alienation' before many others did, including me. I am sick to my stomach.

shiitakemushroom hitting the fan said...

LAgrand said...

Admin you called this long ago, you saw the 'parent alienation' before many others did, including me. I am sick to my stomach.

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Truth.

chefsummer #Leh said...

shiitakemushroom hitting the fan said... 187
‏Wait. What?


@MY_3BXXXX
@hAiLeYgLaSsMaN1 @XXX @BullyVille Don't you realize that by suing Kate you are bullying her? Now you're like Jon. All about $$$$ #sad
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I think they mean since Hailey might sue KK is being a bully to KK.

Thanks for Going Off Topic said...

On Topic again :)

OK, let me try to make sense of today's breaking news. Is all this correct?

Kate wants to claim Jon "stole" her journals and gave them to Robert, thus deflecting negative attention away from the content of her journal and onto Jon and Robert.

Kate is apparently working with a firm, Woodcock Washburn LLC, specializing in Intellectual Property rights. Along with her attorneys she contacts Hailey (and probably othes) for corroborating evidence of Jon's dastardly nature (in Kate's opinion)and connection with Hoffman.

Hailey sends her some texts, purportedly from Jon, implying that he has a plan to take their (K & J's)community property computer hard drive and give it to Robert.

We don't know whether a) the texts are genuine or faked, and b) if the texts are genuine, Jon followed through with the plan anyway. Robert could still have found disks and papers in the trash as he claims.

Hailey then backs out of the deal and is now claiming to be suing Kate for leaking those texts without her consent.

While all this is going on, Kate stupidly hooked up with Bullyville in or around February 2013. Either BV or Kate herself sends the texts to ROL. Did BV or Kate also send ROL the emails between Kate and Hailey, (ccs to 3 attorneys at Woodcock Washburn) as corroborating evidence of the authenticity of the texts? Or was it Hailey who sent the emails to ROL to prove that Kate went against her wishes by sharing the texts with BV and ROL?

Phew! Did I get most of that right?

I'd think that one of Kate's better arguments for stopping the Hoffman book is that she retains Intellectual Property rights over her writings and journals. Of course she is caught between a rock and a hard place. Claiming that Robert is violating her Intellectual Property rights confirms that the journal entries in the book are real.

I can't imagine Woodcock Washburn, LLC is very happy with Kate at the moment. The Bullyville/Kate/ROL connection is leaking details of potential evidence in any case they might have against Robert.

Surely any leaking to the press should be done by Kate's own lawyers, not some questionable vigilante "anti-bullying" site! Her attorneys are surely capable of trying things in the press themselves.

As an attorney, what if your take on this Admin? Would you want to drop a client who hooks up with Bullyville and passes them information to send to ROL behind your back?

TLC stinks said...

From the peanut gallery and shaking my head, here's the info someone asked about wireless carriers and their retention of our records.

The information was obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of North Carolina via a Freedom of Information Act request, and shared
with Wired.com.


"The document, entitled, 'Retention Periods of Major Cellular Providers,' was produced in 2010 ... to advise law enforcement agents seeking to obtain cell phone records and was uncovered by the ACLU's coordinated records request on cell phone location tracking by police," the ACLU said.

Here's a snapshot for subscribers of the four major carriers' policies, each with differing lengths of time for how long they keep data:

Verizon: Keeps records of calls and cell towers used for a year; text message details are retained for up to one year, actual text message content between 3 to 5 days; Internet session information for up to a year, and Web sites visited for up to 90 days.
AT&T: Stores call records for between 5 to 7 years; cell tower records since July 2008; text message details for between 5 to 7 years; text message content is not retained; Internet session information and destinations for up to 72 hours.
Sprint: Hangs onto call records and cell tower records for between 18 and 24 months. Internet session and destination info for up to 60 days; text message details for up to 18 months, depending on the device; text message content not retained; Internet session info and destination info for up to 60 days.
T-Mobile: Retains call record details for 5 years; cell towers used, "officially, 4-6 months, really a year or more;" text message details 5 years; text message content, not kept; Internet session and destination info is not kept.

I found this on a legal site:


As a general rule, the cell phone carrier can't help you if you want copies of text messages. Under federal privacy laws, such as the Consumer Telephone Records Protection Act of 2006, your cell phone carrier can't give you these phone records, even if you own the phone and pay the bill. That's because these records often show messages sent and received by someone else, and that person has privacy rights.

There are some exceptions, though. If you think your phone is being used for criminal activities, or if you're being harassed or threatened through text messages, you may be able to get a court order requiring the phone carrier to release the records. If this is the case, you should talk to an attorney or your local police department immediately.

If a cell phone still exists and you own it, it's possible to hire a forensic digital specialist who can find deleted texts.

TLC stinks said...

ITA, I now believe Kate punked McGibney.

Tucker's Mom said...

So the children are "oblivious" to what's going on? Oblivious to Kate's efforts to have their father put in jail, ruined and have his parental rights terminated?
I must be missing something here. Is Jon running a meth lab in his home; is he "breaking bad"?

Unknown said...

readerlady said... 161
''My thoughts on what Robert has that he hasn't revealed? I think he has proof positive that KK was having an affair with Steve long before the marriage broke up.''
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I'm going to use my five words....Robert is telling the truth:
''The other 90% of the material that I possess will not be published, ever, but you
can be sure that if I'm falsely accused of anything and drug into court, or called a liar by Kate Gosselin or her lawyers, this information will come out then, including photographs. My sources include former crew members who witnessed the abuse.''

Robert has the actual THINGS that were discarded. There are SO many things that Robert said he has in his possession. Not only discs, but actual THINGS that can't be 'faked'. When you consider the 10% he put in his book, the sky is the limit as far as possibilities go!

AuntieAnn said...

Foxy said... 189

Is it possible that Hailey wrote those emails to herself "from Jon" because he accused her of breaking into the New York apartment, and this was her way of trying to cover her own a** in case he sued her? And now she is getting nervous because she is being involved in something that will only get her in more legal trouble with this family. I feel bad for all the innocent people who have crossed her path. But as they say, "every dog has their day and every cat has their night". Just wait.
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That's what I was trying to say but not as clearly as you have.

I think she might have had Jon's phone when they were together and kept it when they split up. That's when she could have texted herself intentionally setting Jon up for all this. Those texts suspiciously give too many details.

If you go to the link I provided earlier ( # 90) it makes sense that it could have gone down that way.

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Remona - I think you're right and I don't think McNibbets will take too kindly to being punked if it turns out that way. Just like everything else, Kate acts first and ask questions later. And then she wonders why she's being alienated from the human race.

chefsummer #Leh said...

LaurenBGlassman ‏@LaurenBGlassman 20h
When people show you who they are . . . Believe them.

Hailey Glassman ‏@hAiLeYgLaSsMaN1 21h
I am thankful for all those difficult people in my life, they have shown me exactly who I do not want to be.
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I think they're referring to KK.

TLC stinks said...

I also read that there are apps to save your text messages to your SD card.

NJGal51 said...

I actually did LOL when I read this tweet to kate:

@XXXXXXXX: @Kateplusmy8 I was just wondering Kate.... How do you like your Goose Cooked?!

Tucker's Mom - Jon is either "breaking bad" as you suggested or he's started a PA chapter of SAMCRO!

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