Sunday, April 7, 2013

'The People vs. Larry Flynt': Was Falwell bullied and deserved damages for emotional distress, or was it just free speech about a public figure?

'Free speech,' said the Supreme Court in 1988.

What if you said a very famous celebrity likes to sleep with goats? What if you said that celebrity loves hard liquor and is always intoxicated in public? What if you said his first sexual experience was with his own mother?



In 1983, Larry Flynt said all that and more about Jerry Falwell in his magazine Hustler. Falwell sued him for 50 million dollars. What followed was one of the greatest victories for free speech, specifically parodies and criticism involving public figures, ever to come down from the Supreme Court. The decision was unanimous. Said the court, in part:
"Justice Frankfurter put it succinctly in Baumgartner v. United States, 322 U. S. 665, 673-674 (1944), when he said that "[o]ne of the prerogatives of American citizenship is the right to criticize public men and measures." Such criticism, inevitably, will not always be reasoned or moderate; public figures as well as public officials will be subject to "vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks," New York Times, supra, at 270. " . . .

. . .In the world of debate about public affairs, many things done with motives that are less than admirable are protected by the First Amendment. In Garrison v. Louisiana, 379 U. S. 64 (1964), we held that even when a speaker or writer is motivated by hatred or ill will his expression was protected by the First Amendment: Thus while such a bad motive may be deemed controlling for purposes of tort liability in other areas of the law, we think the First Amendment prohibits such a result in the area of public debate about public figures.
"Debate on public issues will not be uninhibited if the speaker must run the risk that it will be proved in court that he spoke out of hatred; even if he did speak out of hatred, utterances honestly believed contribute to the free interchange of ideas and the ascertainment of truth." Id., at 73."

Falwell and Flynt later became good friends, visiting each other frequently, going on speaking engagements together, and exchanging Christmas cards. In 1998, Flynt apologized for the ad. Falwell leaped to his feet and shook Flynt's hand.

This Oscar-nominated film from 1996 details Falwell's early life through the famous court case and his near assassination. It can be viewed for free and legally from Crackle.com on Youtube.

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Anonymous said...

Agreed admin.

I want to throw my hat in with the crowd who is very pleased that Jon has stayed out of the media during all of this debauchery. He's been taunted on twitter by BV and on ROL in their comments and has not said anything in his defense. In my opinion his silence and restraint is the best defense.

Good on you, Jon!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Pink, exactly, tell us something we don't know. Blah blah, there were two badly behaving parents in 2009. WE KNEW THAT. And if Jon was so bad why was she with him for so long anyway? LOL

In any case calling the paps doesn't in any way prove you are friends with the paps, and even if you did prove you are close, it still doesn't prove you collaborating on a book together. It's a separate issue. And even if the texts were true it only shows Jon was THINKING about cooking up something with Robert, it doesn't prove he ever actually went through with it. Who is to say Jon didn't back out and Robert went ahead without him anyway. I guess I'm looking at the evidence like a court would and none of this proves anything. It's useless.

The logic here is laughable. All this stuff proves nothing, even if it were true. Evidence has to be LINKED. Hailey's got a mountain of evidence, but no link.

Unknown said...

Rhonda said... 159
''blah blah blah.''
Paragraphs are your friend.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Susie Cincinnati said... 196
irishfan47
@Kateplusmy8 Morning Beautiful! Do u live close 2 Harrisburg?Have buss meeting today & was wondering if u would be up for ur BDay dessert?

This guy is not going to give up. He knows she lives near Reading. He knows where Harrisburg is. Why would he ask her if she lives close to Harrisburg?
That one really scares me.

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Apparently, Kate loves having smoke blown up her butt.

If she would (just for one moment) stop feeding
on the attention, and realise that leading these men on is dangerous- and puts her entire family in peril.

Tink said...

Oh, I have no problem (except it seems juvenile) when people tweet Kate. She is a public figure who put herself out there. I think it's ridiculous that people seem to "live" on twitter, picking apart petty details. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

I was referring to the twitter people who attack, berate, belittle and attempt to force their opinions on those who hold opinions different than there own. It may not be bullying, but it's certainly not a nice thing to do.

I was pointing out that it's great for both sides to have their blogs where like minded people can discuss things without being attacked. Disagreeing is different, and none of us agree on everything. But this blog is a place where it's appropriate to post our negative opinions, and I appreciate it.

I guess my first post wasn't very clear.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 200
Children, you just busted Hailey.

This is a case of not being able to keep lies straight.

In this latest story Robert and Jon were thick as thieves, why she even goes into an elaborate story about how they had an elaborate plan with Robert about cropping Hailey from the waist up, posing for pictures and splitting the profits. But if you look at the dates of those kissing pics, they were from SEPTEMBER 2009. A full month before the alleged text conversation.

Then, allegedly, in October 2009 in the texts which I'm now certain are fake, Jon has to remind Hailey that "Rob" is the one she thought was gay at the diner? Why not say you know Robert Hoffman our main man pap who crops your photos and we share money with?? HELLO????

Why would she even have to ask who he was if that were the case?

BUSTED. Hailey is an amateur!

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Whaaaaaaaaaa! Hahahahahahahaha!

mamaK said...

It is so hard to keep the lies and deception straight, isn't Kate?

Fan twitters her...X amount of days til school is out.

Not to be outdone, Kate replies Oh, we totally counted the days for us this morning too! (small world we are so exactly alike)

Yet, she says I THINK we have more than you...

Yeah, so totally counted those days this morning. Coffee make you forget how many you have left?

She drives me crazy!

Paula said...

Hailey is oh, so confused. Now we know why her Mother has begged her to stay out of all of this - Hailey is in WAY above her head.

And yes, Jon, no need to involve yourself in this nonsense. All other parties are doing enough harm to themselves....

PDMan said...

Kate's new bog is up. And I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

Tink said...

Hailey's parents must be so proud.
j/k

Anonymous said...

Kate,s topic today on Cafemom is pets.

Sophie

Millicent said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 190

I've come to believe in following this saga that some people really are addicted to the spotlight and it's not that different than drugs. Since I believe most people don't want to be famous and don't like this sort of negative attention, I think this is a concept that has been difficult for most of us to understand or accept. And yet I believe it to be true.
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That is a really good point Admin. I most definitely am a person who avoids the spotlight. I am an extremely private person.

So yes,it is hard to get in the mindset of a person who seems to do anything just to get attention, positive or negative.

FYI said...

Hailey's story is so full of bull. She says "“Rob was mainly the guy who took our photos back then,”.

Yet how many photos of Jon and Hailey were NOT taken in PA. The majority of them were taken in NYC, France, the Hamptons. Very few are of them in PA.

So how was Robert the "main photo guy"? I doubt Robert was travelling all over the place to take pictures of Jon and Hailey, since he lives in PA and his job with US Weekly was to cover the goings on in Wernersville.

Here are some pictures of Jon (and Hailey) from Getty Images taken in Oct. 2009. Some were taken in NYC and in PA. Look at both page 5 and page 6. The photographer who took pictures in PA is named "Ray". Maybe Hailey got her "R" names confused, or figured "Rob" is close enough to the name "Ray".

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&p=jon+gosselin&assetType=image#5

Millicent said...

I hope Jon continues to keep out of the fray, and keep on minding his own business and enjoying private life.

McGiblets looks like the idiot he is. It's no wonder his wife cheated on him while he was away - the guy is a Class A jerk.

Kate has burned yet more bridges - onward and downward Kate!

Hailey Glassman is a very troubled young woman and it's time for her to grow up and try to lead a productive life. I wonder if she has a substance abuse problem, or other health issue, that contributes to her poor choices.

FYI said...

Kate's new bog post is all about what a wonderful pet owner she is, and all about the pets she has.

Sounds like more damage control regarding her abuse of the dogs in Robert's book.

"And, okay, so over time our pets have taught me stuff about myself too: I've confirmed I'm a soft-hearted animal lover who “mothers” our pets much like I mother my children. My pets benefit from it. My kids see it and emulate it. And they all adore my soft side. So there you have it!"

So no mention of the new car? Last week, the day after her bog about her car breaking down, she tweeted:

Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 5 Apr
Good morning! Didn't leave you hanging about my car on purpose...when I know the results, I'll let you know!:) Have a gr8 one!

I guess she's trying to figure out how to reconcile her purchase of a new car, while one of her tweeties is explaining how hard it is for her to afford birthday gifts for the children.

Anonymous said...

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said... 199
P.S. I do not condone either Jon or Kate's unsavory behavior during that time.

They were BOTH behaving like animals
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I agree. I think they were both out for themselves. And did not consider the impact this would have on the kids

AuntieAnn said...

“Kate can bully the world and go after everyone yet anyone dare give her a taste of her own medicine and she plays victim. She’s the biggest hypocrite.”

Hmm. Does this mean Hailey can turn to BV so he can coordinate an #op against Kate? Or would that be a conflict of interest type of thing? ha!

Children First said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 200
Children, you just busted Hailey.

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So my case of being confused resulted in being a Hailey-buster? Who would have thought it? :-)

Why would Jon even have to say, "Robert (or Rob), the guy who did the photo cropping?" I mean, how many Roberts were there? If they were so close, just a name, "Robert" would have sufficed. In fact, Robert says that Jon never called him "Rob," but in Hailey's story on ROL SHE is the one who referred to him as "Rob," same name in the text messages:

“Rob is lying when he says they weren’t close enough for Jon to trust him,” Hailey said.
“Rob and Jon hatched a plan that they would split the money from all the photos that Rob took and sold of us..."

More than ever now, I believe Robert. Those text messages just sound like they were following a script. They were too succinct and contained info that was just too contrived.

Marie said...

I've confirmed I'm a soft-hearted animal lover who “mothers” our pets much like I mother my children.
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I would have to agree with this. Except for the "soft hearted" part.

Marie

Millicent said...

"I've confirmed I'm a soft-hearted animal lover who “mothers” our pets much like I mother my children."

Within the lie is the sad kernel of truth: Kate does indeed treat the family pet much like she does her own children. Underfed, ignored, and when not ignored, mistreated.

Vanessa said...

Hailey is just as much of a clinical narcissist as Khate. She is a pathological liar, she is void of empathy, she is in her own delusional world. There is probably some small kernal of truth to what she says, but she's backpedalling now to save face with those "faked" texts/emails. She still has to throw Robert under the bus. She's got to keep to her script now. Just like khate, when you START by lying, it just keeps going and going...

Vanessa said...

Maybe the OCC chopper guys should vouch for how much she LOVES dogs?
Millicent:another kernal of truth? She basically admits the dog is PETRIFIED of her!

She is clucking cray-cray!

Vanessa said...

And you know what? Who fricken cares if Jon had a deal with the paps? They were mostly pics of HIM and his latest squeeze. RARELY was he parading those kids around with a death stare traumatizing them WORSE than any pap could and NEVER like their own mother did! YOU BOTH agreed to sell your kids, the paps are part of the package. Don't ACT so dumb Hailey. WE, YOU, EVERYONE knows how it works.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Children said:

Why would Jon even have to say, "Robert (or Rob), the guy who did the photo cropping?" I mean, how many Roberts were there? If they were so close, just a name, "Robert" would have sufficed. In fact, Robert says that Jon never called him "Rob," but in Hailey's story on ROL SHE is the one who referred to him as "Rob," same name in the text messages:

“Rob is lying when he says they weren’t close enough for Jon to trust h,” Hailey said.
“Rob and Jon hatched a plan that they would split the money from all the photos that Rob took and sold of us..."

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Good point. If Hailey faked the texts and the emails to and from Kate, that means she punked Kate too. It would mean Kate didn't talk to Hailey's mother and didn't release the emails to ROL or BV, whomever, wouldn't it?

Wanda lives in Paradise, Pa said...

We know why K & J stayed together, they made money and got free stuff and all that publicity and all the interviews on TV shows but when it got overwhelming and Kate thought she was more popular than Jon and Jon realized he wasn't but some women wanted to get laid by Jon? So like 2 children with no parent to watch over them after filming, because during filming TLC (parent) controlled them both for most of the time. BUT children being children Kate thought she would be great on The View with BW and Jon thought he was going to make a fortune with Hardy's clothes and all the women. Have to say this though, Kate controlled herself a lot more and hid whatever the heck she did better than Jon who was so out there with the pot smoking and his talk about being normal and not being on reality TV and I just gotta say Jon is so sorry he did not listen to better people or lawyers and make sure he got what he needed financially. He did dumber things that Kate, that is all I think it is. But no one should threaten someone's life and if you don't want to be within reach stay off the computer or tweeter or whatever you do. Best thing Kate can do is take those kids out of PA and get lost but she is obsessed with being chased by obsessive people. Sorry for the spelling errors I just get to typing faster that I don't spell check. But you get the message. K & J are so over that it is still 2009 in their lives instead of 2013. Living in the past.

FYI said...

In Kate's bog, she tries to say how much they love Shoka and Shoka loves them.

"Each day he is greeted with a warm bowl of (mostly) organic food presented by one of his favorite kids in the world. He is hugged tightly and then let outside to eat breakfast and explore the newest scents on “his” property. He watches us from his various favorite outdoor spots with love in his eyes. We go about our day, stopping to hug and kiss him or to give him a quick pat on the head -- or to simply play a quick game of “fetch” with him and his beloved (albeit “legless”) plastic chicken toy.

"So, when I think about life through his eyes, I imagine he feels like one of the luckiest dogs alive. A great property to “rule,” delicious (and sometimes specially cooked, just for him) meals, and tons and tons of hugs and kisses from his favorite family daily -- almost more than he can handle!!!

If all this is true, then why did she tweet last week:

Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 5 Apr
A long day of work, a furry child gone 'AWOL' (he just loves to roam!) and science experiments with Mady and Cara. Time to sleep, hooray!GN!

So if he is so loved and loves them so much, why does he feel the need to roam? This isn't the first time she has mentioned him being "awol". It seems to me, that if a pet were happy with the way he was being treated, he wouldn't feel the need to "roam".

Marie said...

I honestly don't know how you guys keep this all straight. I would be a terrible investigator.

Marie

Children First said...

McGiblets looks like the idiot he is. It's no wonder his wife cheated on him while he was away - the guy is a Class A jerk.

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Wasn't it his friend's wife who cheated on the friend while he was away?

Question for Twitter people. I don't have an account, but I sometimes read on Twazzup or Real Time. I can't seem to see either one today...just a blank page pops up. Is this a Twitter glitch or something screwy with my computer? Why are there some tweets that show up on Real Time but not on Twazzup -- does it depend on whose name @ is in the tweet?

FYI said...

Hmm, looks like Kate's slipping in her book promotion. She's now letting others do it for her. She retweeted this tweet, but did she even realize that the link goes directly to Amazon, not to Kate's website? Oops!

TracersCouponAffair ‏@tracersDEALS 10h
Pre-order @Kateplusmy8 new #Family-Friendly #Recipes #cookbook!
http://amzn.to/YeBQ1y

Retweeted by Kate Gosselin

As many have said, I think this book is going to go the way of the cruise--Big Fail.

Children First said...

"I've confirmed I'm a soft-hearted animal lover who “mothers” our pets much like I mother my children."

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Wouldn't it be ironic if Robert has a photo or video of her mistreating the dogs?

Tink said...

This is better (or worse) than anything on tv.
High drama, lots of counter plots and everyone trying to figure out how this story will end.

With all the twists and turns it's hard to see it as real.

Formerly Duped said...

The 'bog' is boring(sorry Shoka) and mainly all lies.Kate does not like animals; she said so herself on TV.
Wonder why Shoka has abandoned his 'bog?'

Marie said...

Wouldn't it be ironic if Robert has a photo or video of her mistreating the dogs?
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I'm sure the rabid fans would insist it was photoshopped.

Marie

Anonymous said...

Hailey emails real, it is her text messages that are fake.

Can anyone answer why this was stated under every email in the ROL post today? "Proof Kate Took Jon’s Incriminating Correspondence".

Kate took Jon's correspondence? Is this an error?
Leslie

chefsummer #Leh said...

Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 6h
The money trail never lies ~Jon Gosselin & Anti-Kate Book Author Split Money On Photo Ops
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It isn't over yet folks.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Anonymous said... 35
Hailey emails real, it is her text messages that are fake.

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How do we know that for sure?

Midnight Madness said...

I don't think it's all that complicated. Kate's e-mails are real, but the texts from Jon to Hailey are faked for reasons others here have pointed out. Hailey gave those to Kate, never realizing that she'd send them to ROL or BV or whatever. When she saw that they were published, she panicked, knowing that they were faked texts. She's trying to cover her behind now by saying that Jon and Robert were good buddies back then. Apparently she forgot that some of the info in those texts point to the fact that she didn't know who Robert ("Rob") was during that time period.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Kate is a twit said... 27

In Kate's bog, she tries to say how much they love Shoka and Shoka loves them.

"Each day he is greeted with a warm bowl of (mostly) organic food presented by one of his favorite kids in the world. He is hugged tightly and then let outside to eat breakfast and explore the newest scents on “his” property. He watches us from his various favorite outdoor spots with love in his eyes. We go about our day, stopping to hug and kiss him or to give him a quick pat on the head -- or to simply play a quick game of “fetch” with him and his beloved (albeit “legless”) plastic chicken toy.

"So, when I think about life through his eyes, I imagine he feels like one of the luckiest dogs alive. A great property to “rule,” delicious (and sometimes specially cooked, just for him) meals, and tons and tons of hugs and kisses from his favorite family daily -- almost more than he can handle!!!

If all this is true, then why did she tweet last week:

Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 5 Apr
A long day of work, a furry child gone 'AWOL' (he just loves to roam!) and science experiments with Mady and Cara. Time to sleep, hooray!GN!

So if he is so loved and loves them so much, why does he feel the need to roam? This isn't the first time she has mentioned him being "awol". It seems to me, that if a pet were happy with the way he was being treated, he wouldn't feel the need to "roam".

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Ew. Her writing is tedious as hell.


Wait. Hold on.
The phone is ringing.
It's Shoka!
What is it, Shoka?
Your mother is what?
She's full of sh*t?

Oh, we know that already.
Did you & the kids finish digging that tunnel yet?

NJGal51 said...

Bullyville ‏@BullyVille 6h
The money trail never lies ~Jon Gosselin & Anti-Kate Book Author Split Money On Photo Ops
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And how much did Kate make selling photos to the paps/rag mags?

FYI said...

Can anyone answer why this was stated under every email in the ROL post today? "Proof Kate Took Jon’s Incriminating Correspondence".
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I think it means that since Kate emailed Hailey and thanked her for giving her proof that Jon helped with the book(the texts), Hailey is using those emails to prove that Kate gave those texts to bullyville, even though Hailey states that she wanted them back and did not want them published.

In the ROL article it states "Hailey told Radar that Kate asked her for correspondence she had with Jon so that she could put together a lawsuit against Jon. But Hailey never gave permission for Kate to ever use any of the material — and then Hailey’s messages ended up published."

So the emails are Hailey's "proof" that Kate used the texts without her permission.

rainbowsandunicorns said...


How do we know that for sure?

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I think we'll find out for sure if Hailey really does go through with the lawsuit against Kate. She'd have to be nuts to do that and then have it come out in deposition (which it would) that she faked those texts.

foxy said...

This is confusing....didn't Jon's relationship with Hailey last from the end of June 2009 until the first part of October 2009? Then a one week fling with Kate Major, and 2 months or so in Utah. He finally saw the light so to speak and has hooked his star to decent women (Ellen and Liz). I admire him for keeping out of Kate's constant fighting with everyone and everything.

Shoka eats ORGANIC? Is that what you call fresh kill in the yard now?

FYI said...

Best comment on Kate's Stir bog:

"Why is it that the worst "writer" on the site writes the LOOONNNNNGEST damn posts?"

Longest is right--1753 words of pure drivel.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

fidosmommy said... 160
Virginia Pen Mom, thanks so much for the detailed reply. I appreciate it. For some reason I cannot get onto NovelRank - the browser tells me it can't connect to that website, even though I have been on it in previous years. I had forgotten what all NR
tracked. You've cleared that up for me. :-)

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You're welcome, Fidosmommy. I don't pretend to have all the answers, just have some idea how it works from mucking around in it for seven years. And it's all changing so fast, too.

OT: The narcissist in my life gave me a good blessing out today. Yelled at me so loud that my daughter upstairs could hear her. I appreciate all I've learned about narcissism here. This person is my aunt, my mother's only sister. I think I posted last year that my disabled mother lived with and took care of my disabled grandmother.

My grandmother passed away six months ago, and narcissist aunt is furious that my grandmother left everything in the house to my mom. My aunt received a hefty sum of money and had previously received 30 acres of land--and help building a house and pond!--from my grandparents, but of course, that's not enough. She expects to cherry pick the things she wants from the house and leave the trash and useless items for my mom and me to contend with.

So today my daughter and I were doing some packing (with my mother's blessing) preparing to move her in with us. My aunt showed up and screamed her heard off. I swear she looked like the devil walking through that door. God love those who have to actually live with people like this. She called me a liar and a thief, and I think we know who that would actually be... : / Thanks for letting me vent, and I appreciate all the comments here about narcissists over the years--helping me to understand this strange beast of a personality.

PatK said...

How long is her contract with The Stir? Seems to me that if she's writing about the family pets, it signals she's grasping for new topics.

"Cute Things My Kids Say" next week?

SCgal said...

Virginia Penn Mom,
I understand what you're saying. I used to work for a narcissist and it's very helpful to read the information here and see other people's stories. It finally helped me really understand what was going on.

FYI said...

PatK said... 46
How long is her contract with The Stir? Seems to me that if she's writing about the family pets, it signals she's grasping for new topics.
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Last week she wrote about her car, this week she writes about her pets. Maybe next week she'll write about her favorite appliances, and then there's always the chickens to write about too. The possibilities are endless!!

You know she has to write some "filler" articles until she can wax on about the tups birthday in four weeks.

Molly12 said...

Childrens First said……29
Question for Twitter people. I don't have an account, but I sometimes read on Twazzup or Real Time. I can't seem to see either one today...just a blank page pops up. Is this a Twitter glitch or something screwy with my computer? Why are there some tweets that show up on Real Time but not on Twazzup -- does it depend on whose name @ is in the tweet?

************************************************This has been happening to me as well. I now get a blank page on Twazzup on my phone and on certain computers. It doesn't matter the name I am searching. I don’t know why it happens or how to correct it.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Jon and Kate both split the money with the paps. That's very common. Awhile back I was shopping at The Commons shopping center in Calabasas . As I was putting my bags in the car my hubby says oh look, it's the Kardashians! It was Kendall and Kourtney and a pap, young guy with big camera, was taking their pictures. All of a sudden He stopped and Kourtney thanked him and he said " yea, call me". As he was passing by me I asked him if she had called him and he just ignored me! Funny!

That night the pictures were on Hollywood Gossip! It really bugs me when celebrities complain about the paps! All lies! BTW, they are not that great looking in person!

Sherry Baby said...

We go about our day, stopping to hug and kiss him or to give him a quick pat on the head -- or to simply play a quick game of “fetch” with him and his beloved (albeit “legless”) plastic chicken toy.

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Quick pat on the head. Quick game of fetch. Sounds like there's not too much time spent with the dog.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

There are five things I would never want Kate to do for me:

1. Babysit my kids
2. Dog sit my furry babies
3. Treat me for an ingrown toenail
4. Cook me a meal
5. Be my friend
Ummm, I'm sure there's more but those are the top five!

And Hailey is not telling the truth!

Marie said...

Fired Up 4 Kate‏@MiloandJack15m
@PatriciaChow1 @Kateplusmy8 Aw thanks! Atleast someone noted my effort! Was really hard 2get back out there!! :)

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Aww, poor Milo. Kate won't ackowledge her accomplishment. :( I'm sorry but I don't feel sorry for her. I think she/he is a creep.

Marie

LaLaLandNoMore said...

Wanda lives in Paradise, PA (26), I wholeheartedly agree with what you have surmised about Jon & Kate. They both apparently believed their TLC PR. No one remained grounded in that mess. Jon made more mistakes that we know about when the divorce happened, but Kate may just be able to be a lot sneakier. No idea the depth of the deception by both of them. They loved the money train, totally. I believe Kate is a D-list celebrity with a whole lot of money. Not so sure Jon has always shared "her" wealth even when they were married. We will NEVER know the truth about this family. More like a figment of someone's delusional thinking. Very ungrounded and tiresome.

lukebandit said...

I read the post about Anne S. who was killed in Afganistan delivering the books. I was moved to tears reading what the man said about her, that she was...

Authenic.

What a legacy!

Millicent said...

K & J are so over that it is still 2009 in their lives instead of 2013. Living in the past.
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How is Jon "living in the past"? He's involved with a woman named Liz, and they've been together for awhile. He's living out of the public eye. He does not post on Twitter or any other outlet that I'm aware of. I know very little about Jon's current life - because he's living a very private life.

It sounds like he has moved on from the days when he received a check from TLC.

Now Kate - she has to tweet about things the children supposedly did and said; she posts pictures of them, she recently did CWS (including the poor kids!), and is clearly pining to have a tv show again. Yes, Kate has been unable to accept that her 15 minutes of d-list fame have come and gone, never to return.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Let's throw tomatoes said... 52
There are five things I would never want Kate to do for me:

1. Babysit my kids
2. Dog sit my furry babies
3. Treat me for an ingrown toenail
4. Cook me a meal
5. Be my friend
Ummm, I'm sure there's more but those are the top five!
+++++++++++
6.Parking for you (cause she loves fire lanes).
7.Go on an RV trip with her.
8. Show U What She Learned From DWTS.
9. Share Her Gift of Gab.

lukebandit said...

I came across a video of a little boy who was battling brain cancer and he got his wish granted to play in a Nebraska football game, for real! He was taking a 2 week break from 60 weeks of chemotherapy.

It was the teams A Day game. Offense vs. Defense.

Here the little boy coming running out to the field, fully suited up to play. The quarterback took the snap and handed the ball to the little boy.

He ran a few steps and then turned around, he thought it was over. The quarterback put his hand on his back and guided him and told him to RUN! People in the stand were going crazy and it was so cute to see the football players pretend to block and tackle, then you see the players waving their hands encouraging him to go go go!

That little boy who was battling brain cancer, RAN A 60+ touchdown.

The place went wild, they scooped him up and he was riding on big shoulders. \]

I have watched it 3 days and cry every time.

Here is the link, if you would like to see it!

Please pray for Alabama. We are in for some bad tornadoes tonight. There was one earlier just 4 counties away from me.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Things were much easier when there weren't so many conspiracy theories, and Stephanie, who was 2.8 miles away, was asking for a chat with us. Good times!


Let's Throw Tomatoes said,

"That night the pictures were on Hollywood Gossip! It really bugs me when celebrities complain about the paps! All lies!"

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I'm not so sure that it's all lies. There have been quite a few incidents involving celebrities and harassment by relentless photographers, especially when there are children involved and the celebrity goes to great lengths to protect their privacy.

I also remember last summer with Bieber had a pap arrested, and just this past January Miley Cyrus filed a complaint on a pap who was stalking her when she walked her dogs.

Unknown said...

Wanda lives in Paradise, Pa 26
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Paragraphs are your friend, Wanda

FYI said...

Kate doesn't mind when tweeties bring up numerous questions about the children, especially how old they are, over and over but she sures seems a little testy when asked about Nala. What does she expect when she writes a bog about pets?

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 1h
Hi guys! Wanna read about our pets and how we feel about them? Go here:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/home_garden/153933/kate_plus_my_eight_and …

Rikki Shipley ‏@RikkiSh 59m
@Kateplusmy8 still wondering what happened to Nahla


Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 5m
@RikkiSh where have you been? I've answered that at least 100 Xs now! She has a new family..I could only focus on 1 dog:( but she's happy!

Did she ever stop to think that this may be a new follower who isn't up-to-date on everything Kate? How much ruder could she be?

Silimom said...

Luke - here's the link:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9146442/seven-year-old-jack-hoffman-stars-nebraska-cornhuskers-spring-game-college-football

Fleecing The Sheeple said...


Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 5m
@RikkiSh where have you been? I've answered that at least 100 Xs now! She has a new family..I could only focus on 1 dog:( but she's happy!

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Seems she's not doing all that great of a job focusing on one dog if he escapes on a regular basis.

What a condescending snippy answer to that fan. Sounds like all is not sunshine and lollipops in that household right now. She's just a little bit testy.

handinhand said...

Lee Stranahan's take on the BV situation.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2013/04/11/kate-gosselin-steubenville-james-mcgibney

Anonymous said...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2013/04/11/kate-gosselin-steubenville-james-mcgibney

This is very interesting listening. Stranahan and McGibney have a history and do not like each other.

Kate should be ashamed of aligning herself with a person like McGibney. He lets people anonymously post about someone on his site, and the info is much worse than anything ever written about Kate. Maybe someone should put Kate on there and write next to her name "Likes married men." My gosh, the five or so "villes" he owns are the lowest of the low.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

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RT @xxxxxxxx: @Kateplusmy8 Let's NOT 4get! #LoveIsInTheMix is ready 4 pre-ordering! Let's do it tweeties...make this book a HUGE SUCCESS! 4Kate & her8!

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Hahahahahaha! Silly fanatics.

Begging each other to make the millionaire's crookbook a success. Each fanatic will have to buy alot of copies to make this work for Kate.

"Love Is In The Mix", available for sale in September.

And then shortly after that, at a garage sale near you.

Vanessa said...

Ummm? Didn't Robert say in his book she got rid if Nala because she was starting to growl and bare her fangs at Khate? You know, because thosr dogs just KNOW how much they are love love loved.

Somewhere In Time said...

Robert reported in his book that he witnessed the two dogs escaping from the property and the gates closed behind them, leaving them in the road, Kate had driven away, slowed down, saw them, but just kept going.

Recently she tweeted that Shoka was missing, but only "for an hour or two" like it was no big deal. For any dog lover, that would have been a VERY big deal. I would have panicked. Given that recent tweet where she seemed totally unconcerned that the dog was gone, I believe Robert's account of what happened when the two dogs left the property, ran around in the street, with Kate never bothering to go back and make sure they were safe.

AuntieAnn said...

Anonymous said... 65

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2013/04/11/kate-gosselin-steubenville-james-mcgibney

This is very interesting listening. Stranahan and McGibney have a history and do not like each other.
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Thank you for posting that link Anonymous. The man has BV`s number - and Kate`s and the rest of the rat`s nest.

Just when I thought Kate has hit rock bottom she tunnelled a few levels lower when she got into bed with Bullyville.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The dog is Not looking at them lovingly he's looking at them longingly. He is a dog and he wants to be with his pack.

FYI said...

Milo still is worried about Kate's car. Will Kate finally give the answer that she promised them last week?

miloandjack
@Kateplusmy8 Hate 2ask...bracing myself 4U on the cost...how sick is ur lil car? Still thinking abt how dangerous that was 4U! :(

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

KKate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 5m
@RikkiSh where have you been? I've answered that at least 100 Xs now! She has a new family..I could only focus on 1 dog:( but she's happy!


Kate can't fathom there are people in the world who don't follow her every move.

PatK said...

miloandjack

@Kateplusmy8 Hate 2ask...bracing myself 4U on the cost...how sick is ur lil car? Still thinking abt how dangerous that was 4U! :(


&&&&&

Oh, Milo, are you playing games with Kate to get her to admit she bought a new car?

OrangeCrusher1 said...

She can only handle one dog? Kind of like she can only handle one person - herself.

Mostly 'organic' dog food means what exactly?

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Lee Stranahan's take on the BV situation.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stranahan/2013/04/11/kate-gosselin-steubenville-james-mcgibney
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Lee Stranahan ‏@Stranahan 32m
@stephenstephan @Kateplusmy8 is involved in a scandal where she's directed Anonymous to go after her crtitics.



I don't understand who Lee means by "Anonymous." I thought the real Anonymous guys weren't involved with Kate at all.





Silimom said...

Personally, I wouldn't put too much stock into what Lee Stranahan has to say, about as much as I'd give McGibney.

If you like him, I apologize. This is just my opinion.

NJGal51 said...

Thank you Silimom and Luke...now you've got me crying but it's a good kind of cry. What an inspiration that little boy is!

lukebandit said...

Thanks, Silimom.

I was trying to post the link and the post went poof!

I watched the video of J and k's worst moments.

It was disgusting to see HOW BAD KATE TREATED JON AND THE KIDS! I had a knot in my stomach.

She just NEVER SHUTS UP!

They drove to a place 75 miles for the kids to go to make something and Jon was being very attentive to the kids and she kept on and on and on sitting in that chair with her arms crossed and would not shut up!

She was concerned about the kids getting the kids clothes STAINED and here she goes. Your going to be the one taking hours rubbing out stains out of their clothes. Then Jon said whatever, and she said something else and he said whatever, YOU DON'T DO LAUNDRY! BINGO!

On the couch:
Jon says, Why didn't you bring them another set of clothes?
She said YOU WOULD HAVE TO change a HUNDRED KID'S clothes and Jon said SO WHAT!

It was hard to watch the boys not get their cupcakes and the girls did. One of the baby boys said, But I ate the chicken. If Jon would of bucked kate and gave in he knew she would go into a RAGE!

He was SO miserable. How he kept it together through her reign of terror needs to be studied by professors from across the globe.

About the Bella Bars. I emailed corporate and ask them to stop sending her free coupons or free Bella Bars and all about how rich, sports cars, that she does this for anything she can get free. She is a millionaire!

Got a response back:

kate has bought Bella Bars from us.

I don't believe it!





Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I almost feel bad for the real Anonymous. At least some of their tactics are meant to expose real security flaws, not just stick their nose in some D-list reality star's business, someone who can take care of herself.

It was a group of teens who were first helping out Kate and then some rogue bully whom no legitimate anti-bully groups would endorse his tactics. Anonymous even released a polite but firm statement saying they have no part in this. But for some reason for some people it's become fact that Anonymous was involved.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Not to mention, it's really not Milo's business how much her car repair will cost. Kate never brought up the cost, just that it was broken down. Maybe it's just me but I was always taught it was not polite to ask people about money--how much things cost, how they will handle such huge repairs, and so on.

If people want to OFFER to talk about money and how much their car repairs cost that's one thing but to ask yourself is rude.

Somewhere In Time said...

ired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 Hate 2ask...bracing myself 4U on the cost...how sick is ur lil car? Still thinking abt how dangerous that was 4U! :(

Milo is not going to let this go until Kate tells her about the car. Wouldn't you think that since MIlo knows everything about Kate (her favorite words..."I know Kate," and "Knowing Kate") that she would have gotten the scoop on the car by now?

Milo has seemed to have found her missing "g's" the past few days. New Milo?

Ally said...

I read this blog about Kate's imaginary love affair with shoka. Does she not remember that she wrote another blog about shoka within the last year talking about shoka loving getting the opportunity to ride in the BBB to the bus stop in the morning? Then today she tells us how upset, angry and teeth bearing he gets when she turns on her car. He runs away with his ears back and tail down. But in the next breath, he loves the groomer and his car, because he gets to see his girlfriend? Is she serious. I really thought it was written sarcastically but I know she is not capable of writing with that insight. So I know she actually believed that shoka prefers one vehicle to another. Either a dog likes the car or not. She really didn't get that he likes the groomer and does not like her. Also, which blog is the truth? They are complete contradictions. One is a bold faced lie! My take on the situation; shoka takes one look at Kate and runs the other way. Also she talked about shoka walking in the front door with her upon bus stop return, for a daily treat. Does anyone believe she allows that dog on the main floor? If he comes inside, I guarantee it is only in the basement.
I have my own dog and the behavior she describes is so obviously the result of receiving abuse by her, not fear of only her car. Her cluelessness really scares me sometimes.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You know what I find flipping hypocritical?? She is talking about her dog growling (growling??? What!!!) at certain things, cars I guess, and a breed with a usually very agreeable people-pleasing personality, having some serious issue with cars (I realize not all dogs love cars, although it would be unusual for this breed not to), perhaps even an indication it has some trauma in his background. And not to mention all his roaming activities, hours on end alone without his pack, and killing small animals. In other words, some red flags that she has a possibly dangerous dog on her hand.

And yet Kate was freaking out over a pit bull with no indication it has a single one of the issues her dog does. In fact from the picture we saw this dog was relaxed, comfortable, happy with his pack, submissive and loving.

HER dog is more dangerous. LOL.

Meagler said...

Hmm Kates bog, No mention of the car...

but she did the "Once I was, but now I am...." to make sure she got in her kick about being a different person..

"Oh how far I've come in my ability to “go with the flow” in allowing it!

A few years ago, the entire idea of fish and marine life was considered off-limits in ANY part of the house, and even the thought would have totally freaked me out. And on OUR TABLE where we EAT? Yeah, so I've really mellowed."


More foreshadowing. In my opinion Kate might be thinking... I cant refute Roberts books as lies, or I will have a libel suit against me, so instead, I will just keep telling everyone, I have changed, I dont judge people anymore, and I have really mellowed.

So maybe I did hit the mark, except for the car...

What do people think?

Paula said...

Does anyone think that Kate is building up to make an excuse as to why she had to get rid of "Shoka".

Ally said...

Admin, I agree. I would be worried if my dog growled at me. Not good. Yes lots of red flags. The irony is that it is probably a direct result of her abuse. I find it comical that her stories change 180 degrees depending on the type of message she wants to convey. Does she not realize people see constant contradictions. Hence, lies or embellishments. The other thing about this way too long blog was het talking about the feelings and emotions her 25 cent fish and water frogs? Seriously? I could not figure out the purpose of this blog until the very end when she through in "life experiences" and how much she has "mellowed". Another rewrite of history, this woman is anything but and will never be close to mellow.

Meagler said...

Also, there is some gently used information in this bog. I have read before about Rick the groomer.

Also, I am a Mom, and I am being honest, and I have NEVER used trickery with my kids. I believe that children should learn about the cycle of life as a child. The loss of a gerbil, a frog, and even a dog, although hard, gives kids the tools they will need in their life to hopefully deal the best they can with the BIG losses ( family member, job, etc).

I do know that some people feel differently and that is okay.

I just dont like it when a Mom tells me that if I was " really being honest, I would act the exact same way as her."

My narcisstic friend use to do that all the time. I know how you feel, I know how people feel and usually she was so off base. She had no clue. of course because she had no ability to empathize, she couldnt believe that people who feel or think anything different then she did.


I believe their is heavy editing in kate's bog, unlike the editing she says s done in her tv shows...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The first thing I noticed about her blog is that she said something that should have taken a third as long as what she wrote to say. I'm not sure what her theme is, all she does is rambling. The only theme I see so far is talk about myself and try to reform my image. Seriously, how does someone rambling about their pets contribute anything to the discussion? She didn't even tell a funny or cute story. And she kept assigning thinking and feelings to the dog that have no basis in reality. I have friends I can call who are pet lovers who can ramble about them if I feel like such a thing. I haven't read the stir comments but they have to be done with her by this point.

White Organza said...

Ally (77), not to be confrontational or anything, but maybe this time she's not lying. Maybe Shoka do hate car in general (Particularly Kate's, apparently, go figure. Must be that in such a confined space, her smell get too concentrated and makes him gag ...), but sees the groomer's car as the escape vehicule from that dog hell.

Unknown said...

Paula said... 82
''Does anyone think that Kate is building up to make an excuse as to why she had to get rid of "Shoka".''
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ME! As soon as I read that Shoka was baring his teeth and growling at her, my first thought was that one more dog is about to bite the dust.

Then I started thinking about it, and think there is a distinct possibility that KK is so totally self-centered, and knows so little about animals that she is too stupid to see what Admin called ''red flags''. I don't doubt in the least that she actually believes whatever stupid thought she has about Shoka is what she thinks Shoka thinks!!

She clearly is too stupidly self-centered to realize that she is revealing that Shoka has a bad reaction to her...probably because of KK's past abuse.

fidosmommy said...

My dog loved car rides more than he loved food, and that is no exaggeration. He'd get in any car as long as he could have a window seat. But he absolutely despised UPS trucks and would start growling and snarling as soon as he heard one coming down the street. White trucks, blue trucks, red trucks were all OK with him, but brown trucks (and brown uniforms) were cause for him to flip out and attack. Something happened to my Fido before I adopted him, and it had to do with brown trucks and brown uniforms.

Something happened with Shoka and Kate and her vehicle. I'll bet on it.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Meagler, I agree with you. I think that's why she's been on Twitter more lately. She's trying to show everyone she's a new, laid back, patient, loving Kate.

It sounds like Shoka isn't buying it if he's growling at her. Dogs know!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think trickery is a personal choice. It's not my cup of tea either. The only thing is I don't like when it's done for the wrong reasons. I get the sense Kate would do that so it's easier for KATE. Not because she truly believes it's best for the kids not to know.

This is exactly what Kate did to Kendra. She couldn't accept that Kendra had ways of doing things that were perfectly appropriate and worked for their family, just massively different than Kate's boot camp.

It's one thing to dislike behavior because it's abusive and detrimental, and it's fine to respectfully discuss what might be better or worse for what reasons. People do that all the time both on the internet and in real life. But it's quite another to dislike behavior for no other reason other than because it's not my way or the highway.

Ally said...

I just had another thought reading a comment somewhere else. It dawned on me the reason why Kate hates paps taking pictures of her and her children is for one reason. They sell those pictures for money. It will be a cold day in hell when she allows anyone, other than herself, to make money off of her family or herself. That I believe is the only reason. Not privacy. It can't be privacy because she splashes intimate details and photos of them all the time. Bottom line, cash! Cold hard cash.

Somewhere In Time said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 6m
@gypsi001 BEST fruit ever is Harry&Davids but its monthly org fruit del&it's TOTALLY Divine!We were gifted 2yrs from friends!Kids miss it!

Calling Milo! Kids need Harry and David! You're late with the program, Milo. Come on!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fido my dog hates UPS trucks too! Though I know he never had a bad experience with cars since he was with a loving foster home indoors in the pantry until I took him at 12 weeks or so. I do think it's the brown color that has something to do with it, it's big and dark and I think the drivers look threatening in dark uniforms. Dogs can be very sensitive to anything "off" or not normal. He otherwise adores cars.

I suppose it's possible that while I wasn't home he witnessed something bad happen with a UPS driver, stealing a package or something, hurting someone, it happens, who knows. He also hates the mailman.

I do though think something happened to Shoka, as it's ALL cars he dislikes except the groomer. That suggests to me that the groomer, who is probably excellent with dogs and understands them, makes him feel calm and safe around cars. If the groomer can anyone could. Just shows a total lack of understanding about dog psychology, just like there is a lack of understanding of child psychology.

OR, it could just be that Kate never socialized him about cars. It could be that. If she didn't allow him to be around cars frequently and run in and out of them and realize their noises and people are safe and fun, he could have developed a fear . It could be a sign of NEGLECT.

It also could be the PEOPLE he fears from the cars, not the cars themselves. That's another sign of a dog not properly socialized if he's parking or growling at anything that brings someone new to the house.

Why doesn't she get HELP with this serious problem? This dog is SUFFERING being petrified of everything with four wheels. And, it could be dangerous and cause him to attack. Pit bulls are dangerous? Um, dogs who are not SOCIALIZED PROPERLY ARE DANGEROUS.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Geez what kind of friend was THAT? Two years of fruit is EXPENSIVE.

Meagler said...

Katie's using her kids again to grift free organic fruit/veggie delivery

NJGal51 said...

@Kateplusmy8: @gypsi001 BEST fruit ever is Harry&Davids but its monthly org fruit del&it's TOTALLY Divine!We were gifted 2yrs from friends!Kids miss it!
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Oh no! Kate forgot to include @harryanddavid in her love tweet so they have no way of knowing that Kate needs MORE! Here's a novel idea Kate, if your kids miss the grift basket of the month BUY IT FOR THEM YOURSELF. You can afford it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It's infuriating.

The kids love the fruit. Fruit is good for them. Freaking pony up the money for it and BUY IT FOR THEM. Haven't they earned it??? It's not like they're asking for the new Playstation. They want FRUIT for cripe sake.

You just bought a FOURTH CAR. We know you did. She is an abomination.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I had a female rottweiler from pup to the day she passed and she never growled at me or my family.

She had a puppy that I kept as well and she never growled at me either.

A dog can sense who loves it and who doesn't.

chefsummer #Leh said...

So not only do people know that KK is full of S%%t but so does her dog. (HAHAHAH)

Sleepless In Seattle said...


Meagler said... 98

Katie's using her kids again to grift free organic fruit/veggie delivery

Here's the thing. Gypsi asked if anyone knows a company that delivers organic veggies/fruit. Why wouldn't Kate (who can't seem to stay off Twitter even though she says she's going to bed) tell Gypsi to e-mail her, or if she had to mention a company, simply say Harry & David delivers? She had to brag that she had fruit gifted to her and she just had to mention the kids in that tweet.

Kate complains that she's always accused of grifting. Read the writing on the wall! This is exactly what she did in this tweet! There was no need to say that the kids miss it. No need at all.

Tink said...

She really has no shame.
Grifting for fruit, now?
How low will she go?
"My kids loooooove to brush their teeth, but organic toothpaste is sooo expensive..."

Paula said...

The more "gifts" Kate receives for her children by grifting - the more of their money she can spend on herself!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You know the sad thing is what that dog is probably thinking most of the time is: What can't I be with my pack?

What can't I be with my pack?

What can't I be with my pack?

What can't I be with my pack?

silimom said...

Um Kate...You leave in freaking Pennsylvania in Amish Country. I realize I'm from California and I take fresh fruit a bit for granted, but I've got to believe that you have fresh fruit from farmer's stands or farmer's markets out there.

Or better yet - start your own freaking garden and orchard! You have enough land!

But if you truly need the Harry and David fruit (which, I do agree, is wonderful), then you can get the 12 month Fruit of the Month club for $317.95. Or you can do the Gourmet Presidential Fruit Club for $339.95.

Now, Kate, let's be realistic. I have a family of 5 kids, two of who are in college, one's getting ready for college in another year and then two elementary age kids. On top of that, my two youngest receive behavioral therapy (ABA) and occupational therapy for their autism spectrum disorders. I would bet that, aside from the expense of trying to keep my name in the media spotlight, my household expenses are on par with yours. And even little, mediocre me could afford the Fruit of the Month club if I truly wished to do it.

So Kate? Just buy the darn fruit.

Unknown said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 96
''Why doesn't she get HELP with this serious problem? This dog is SUFFERING being petrified of everything with four wheels.''
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Admin...what are you talking about? Shoka isn't suffering. He just doesn't want to seem wimpy around Rick...you know, a guy thing....so Rick can take him to see Soka's girlfriend! KK knows...she said so!!.......
''although I can tell he WANTS to make me happy and hop in, most of the time, he just can't bring himself to join me! Oh well!
Having said that, every other week or so, our dog groomer, Rick, comes to pick him up to be groomed. For some reason, Shoka willingly rides in Rick’s vehicle. I think it's because he knows he's on his way to see his girlfriend, Inka (Rick’s dog). If I had to guess, I'd also think it’s a “guy thing” and that Shoka doesn't want to seem “wimpy” in front of Rick ... so he hops into Rick’s truck without even the slightest hesitation. In fact, his face lights up as if to say “I got this! Here I come Inka!”

Just Down The Road said...

Um Kate...You leave in freaking Pennsylvania in Amish Country. I realize I'm from California and I take fresh fruit a bit for granted, but I've got to believe that you have fresh fruit from farmer's stands or farmer's markets out there.

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lol! I was just going to write that. There are farmer's markets and roadside stands. In fact, take your kids to school on Tuesdays and head over to Roots Country Market. There is everything you need right there...more than 200 vendors! Go for it!

Unknown said...

Don't say it! I know, paragraphs are my friends!

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

NJGal51 said... 99

@Kateplusmy8: @xxxxxxxxx BEST fruit ever is Harry&Davids but its monthly org fruit del&it's TOTALLY Divine!We were gifted 2yrs from friends!Kids miss it!
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Oh no! Kate forgot to include @harryanddavid in her love tweet so they have no way of knowing that Kate needs MORE! Here's a novel idea Kate, if your kids miss the grift basket of the month BUY IT FOR THEM YOURSELF. You can afford it.

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Apparently "gifted" fruit tastes better than having to shell out money for it at the supermarket.

Hey Kate, get your own "Harry and David" fruit basket.



Just Down The Road said...


You just bought a FOURTH CAR. We know you did. She is an abomination.

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She has four cars now, or did she trade the Audi in for a new car?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Our farmer's market in LA has a fruit club thing. It's actually really reasonable I can't remember the exact price but I remember doing the math and thinking it was a deal.

Anyway the only reason I don't do it is because I am a control freak who wants to pick my own fruit and not be surprised. LOL.

Ally said...

Harry and David is extremely expensive. That fruit of the month for 2 years would probably be valued around $1000. She uses the term "friend" loosely and we know that does not mean anything. She also tweeted snacks and candy fom Dean and Deluca. Very expensive and small quantities. Again, she didn't buy it. We'll never know where it came from. But with the quantities she would need, that could not last very long. Something fishy here.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She has four cars if she's not lying. She said her audi is still in the shop.

However I didn't say she had four cars, I said she had bought her fourth car. Trade in or not, she bought her fourth car. Three cars too many.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Ally said... 94

I just had another thought reading a comment somewhere else. It dawned on me the reason why Kate hates paps taking pictures of her and her children is for one reason. They sell those pictures for money. It will be a cold day in hell when she allows anyone, other than herself, to make money off of her family or herself. That I believe is the only reason. Not privacy. It can't be privacy because she splashes intimate details and photos of them all the time. Bottom line, cash! Cold hard cash.

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Bingo!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Harry and David says you get about four pounds a month.

That's nothing. A family of just four would go through four pounds of fruit in a matter of days. Not worth it.

I don't see the point of that with a family of nine. Remember Jon is dead.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I love how my two doggies jump onto my bed and snuggle w/me till I wake up.

Sometimes they'll lick my hair till I wake up. Or they'll roll around crazy style till I get up.

Susie Cincinnati said...

ishfan ‏@irishfan47 44m
@Kateplusmy8 Hey you awake?

Why does he want to know? He tweeted her this morning telling her he was in Harrisburg. Is he planning on cruising over to her house tonight to give her a birthday dessert?

irishfan47
@Kateplusmy8 Morning Beautiful! Do u live close 2 Harrisburg?Have buss meeting today & was wondering if u would be up for ur BDay dessert?

chefsummer #Leh said...

The only time my dogs bark at parked cars is when they see their reflections (LOL).

Or at other tiny dogs.

Just Down The Road said...

However I didn't say she had four cars, I said she had bought her fourth car. Trade in or not, she bought her fourth car.

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If you're counting that way, then it's actually, five. She had the black Toyota LC before her silver Toyota SUV.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 115
Harry and David says you get about four pounds a month.

That's nothing. A family of just four would go through four pounds of fruit in a matter of days. Not worth it.

I don't see the point of that with a family of nine. Remember Jon is dead.

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Each child probably got 1/4 of a piece of fruit anyway.



Ally said...

I always wondered why, with all her land, she and the kids never made their own garden for fruit and veges. She could get large quantities and practically no cost. Fresh, organic produce, kids could help, great summer activity.

Just Down The Road said...

This one is really funny. Alone time? Kate getting up at 5 a.m. for alone time when she's alone nine hours a day?

MeganHankss
@Kateplusmy8 omg! Do you wake up at 5 every morning?? Is it for the kids school or alone time?

Meagler said...

Wonder when this "friend" bought them the 2 years subscription to David and harry's fruits, because All I have ever seen her kids eat for fruit, both on her show and in her picks were 8 grapes, 1/2 banana, or 3 apple slices. You would think with the fruit gift basket we would have seen pictures of more exoctic fruit.

I am confused she didnt tweet @davidandharry because I might have thot she was grifting for an apportunity to do a sponsored post about their gift baskets.

If she could get herself out of the way and get some writing skills, with her effort, she "might" be able to have a somewhat mediocre blog which brought in a nice small income...but she wont.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Ally said... 120
I always wondered why, with all her land, she and the kids never made their own garden for fruit and veges. She could get large quantities and practically no cost. Fresh, organic produce, kids could help, great summer activity.
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Careful KK might steal your idea.

FYI said...

My daughter had a beagle who always barked when the UPS truck went down the street. He didn't even have to see the truck-it was almost as if he could tell it was the UPS truck by the sound of the engine. He never did that with any other trucks or cars going down the street-even garbage trucks didn't bother him.

But when the UPS truck drove by, he'd just start howling and barking. However, if the truck stopped to make a delivery, he would stop. It was all very weird.

Maybe everytime he heard the truck, he expected a delivery of doggie goodies and was actually barking for the driver to stop and deliver him a package.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Meagler, this is just another example of her not understanding what might be slightly more interesting than the usual drivel she posts on twitter. How about a cute photo of her monthly fruit arrangement or digging into it? People would ask about it, it would prompt discussion about what others do for their fruit needs.

I mean these are simple things that make a twitter account slightly more interesting.

LancasterCountyMom said...

Just Down The Road said... 107

lol! I was just going to write that. There are farmer's markets and roadside stands. In fact, take your kids to school on Tuesdays and head over to Roots Country Market. There is everything you need right there...more than 200 vendors! Go for it!
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Oh, Lord, no. She'd freak out. Too many people. And they sure wouldn't shut down the market for her to shop by herself, lol!!!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

She said her audi is still in the shop.

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Did she say that recently? Last I heard she said that she'd let her tweeties know its fate. Kate twisting words. She didn't say that it was still in the shop, did she?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

That's really splitting hairs, lol. If she doesn't know what is wrong with her Audi yet, I'm not sure why it would be out of the shop.

That said this is all so silly because I don't think there was a grain of truth to that blog post other than to explain why that car is gone and she treated herself to yet another expensive toy while denying her children fruit.

AuntieAnn said...

Ally said... 123

I always wondered why, with all her land, she and the kids never made their own garden for fruit and veges. She could get large quantities and practically no cost. Fresh, organic produce, kids could help, great summer activity.

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Why? Because it might involve actual w.o.r.k. for Kate.

Just as well too because if she did have a big vegetable garden the eight serfs would have to give up even more of their time serving the royal nobleness of the manor.

FYI said...

The price of the cookbook went up again-it's now selling for $14.11. Is this how they try to encourage people to pre-order now, increasing the price bit by bit to scare people into locking in at a lower price? Making people think "The price keeps increasing-maybe I should order it now, so I can get that guaranteed lower price before they increase it again?"

Sleepless In Seattle said...

That's really splitting hairs, lol.

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Sort of, but not really. This is Kate. If she didn't say it's still in the shop, then she won't be called out on it when she finally figures out how to tell her tweeties she bought a new car!

not a fan of Jon's said...

Admin said...
If people want to OFFER to talk about money and how much their car repairs cost that's one thing but to ask yourself is rude.


To be fair, Kate DOES talk about money and how expensive things are for her kids and it's discussed ad nauseum how cheap she is when it comes to them. So why not ask?

FYI said...

Saw this convo on Kate's twitter.

Emily Creighton ‏@EmCr68 5h
After having such a scary dream about my grandpa last night....seeing his name come through on FaceTime was such a relief.#cherisheachmoment

They call me Mike ‏@jman6466 3h
@EmCr68 after just getting back from my uncles wake. That's very good advice...

Emily Creighton ‏@EmCr68 3h
@jman6466 so sorry to hear about your uncle. Life is so short, it's crazy.

They call me Mike ‏@jman6466 3h
@EmCr68 yes it is. Life is so fragile and can change so quickly. Make sure you tell him you love him all the time. He won't get tired of it.

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 3h
@jman6466 @EmCr68 I second that sweet sentiment..I wish I could hug/tell my grandpa just 1 more time how much I love him! And my grandma 2!

Kate wasn't even included in the original conversation, but probably saw it because she follows Emily.

Not only does she butt in, but she doesn't even offer one word of sympathy to the tweeter who lost his uncle. She, as usual, just turns it all around to be about her and how she feels about her grandparents.

By the way, another tweetie responded to Kate being rude to the fan asking about Nala.

JDT ‏@jd2thet 47m
@Kateplusmy8 @RikkiSh I think sometimes how u answer people so curtly is why some people get a bad impression of u, Kate. Just sayin xoxo

Kate would be wise to listen sometimes to her fans advice.

fidosmommy said...

I don't think there was a grain of truth to that blog post other than to explain why that car is gone and she treated herself to yet another expensive toy while denying her children fruit.

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Scott Kluth really does have her pegged, doesn't he? Inauthentic. She wrote for a money saving blog and she is surrounded by all sorts of shiny but unnecessary expensive stuff.

lukebandit said...

Just learned that in the produce dept. if the sticker with 4 or 5 numbers start with a 9, it is organic.

If it starts with an 8, it is GMO.

GMO is not our great-grandparents farm corn!

prairiemary said...

LOL, Chefsummer, I don't dare leave my door open for my 5 dogs to wake me up! I must sleep on a waterbed, and though it is a queen size, there is hardly room for me when I let them jump up to have their morning naps! During the cold months, I think they love the warmth of the bed. If Shoka was mine, he would even be allowed to jump on up, with a waterbed, it is so easy to keep it clean. I bet kate does not even let him lay on the kitchen floor, never mind anywhere near her bedroom. Ugh, don't like that woman at all!

NJGal51 said...

My bully barks when anyone has the nerve to walk or drive by "his" house and then looks at me so that I can tell him what a brave boy he is. He has a basset hound friend at day camp that taught him how to bay. He always coughs after baying like a basset because it hurts his throat. It's very funny to watch. He's a silly bean and Kate doesn't know what's she's missing by not having this type of relationship with Shoka.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

My bully barks when anyone has the nerve to walk or drive by "his" house and then looks at me so that I can tell him what a brave boy he is.

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Funny! My Airedale has a different bark for the USPS truck, UPS and Fed Ex when they're in the neighborhood. USPS is a kind of low, guttural growl; UPS is a series of six barks, followed by six more barks, and Fed Ex is a continuous high-pitched whine. Honest. This is really helpful because if it's a whine and I'm expecting a Fed Ex delivery, I know to run to the door to sign for the package.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

On this day in Kate history a year ago, a helpful poster here was explaining what a malaprop is!!

I hope Mrs. Malaprop is still out there and doing well.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

How ironic. Pioneer Woman has two posts in a row about her dog Charlie. She genuinely adores him. They are short, funny, cute and full of beautiful photographs of him. The pictures are all of Charlie lounging around inside on her COUCH. No, not the couch!

http://thepioneerwoman.com/confessions/

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Also her personification of Charlie is actually funny haha.

Shoka says he loves being outside cold in the rain. Charlie on the other hand hates it and wants to be inside with his family.

Silimom said...

http://www.organicconsumers.org/state/greenbiz.cfm?state=PA&type=csa

Here you go, Kate. A whole listing of Pennsylvania Community Supported Agriculture and Buying Clubs.

You're welcome. :-)

Ingrid said...

Ally said... 120
I always wondered why, with all her land, she and the kids never made their own garden for fruit and veges. She could get large quantities and practically no cost. Fresh, organic produce, kids could help, great summer activity.
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I think last spring she mentioned having seeds or seedlings to start a garden. Nothing came of it. She could save a lot of money growing a garden but of course she is too busy "working"> Hahahaha....

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

"Working" I.e. rounding up her ex's ex girlfriends over a divorce that was finalized three years ago.

Unknown said...

KK having a garden just sent chills up my spine! It reminded me of my childhood on the farm, and all the work my siblings and I had to do on the over one acre garden.

I could just see KK in her must overdo everything way having the children 'help' her plant 20 rows of corn, 20 rows of potatoes, planting two dozen tomato plants and on and on. She would work those boys to the bone, planting and weeding and then gathering it all. Then she would become KK the martyr, freezing everything...with Cara and Mady 'helping'. She'd probably have to buy another freezer to keep it all.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't encourage that woman to plant a garden. Think of the children!! !!!!!!

Ingrid said...

Part of a comment on her bog. There's that "A" word again. LOL

It would also make her look more authentic if what she wrote on another blog contained info that matches what she says here.

Millicent said...

Just Down The Road said... 109
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lol! I was just going to write that. There are farmer's markets and roadside stands. In fact, take your kids to school on Tuesdays and head over to Roots Country Market. There is everything you need right there...more than 200 vendors! Go for it!
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Kate has always skimped on providing those children with delicious fresh fruits, vegetables and other food. She will buy herself a new Fiat, but won't spring for an abundance of fresh produce?

I don't know about other parts of the country, but around here, strawberries are apparently in abundance. My local Safeway had them, two large baskets for $5.

I love going to our local Farmers Market on the occasional Saturday morning when I get up nice and early. It's such a treat to come home loaded with locally grown fresh produce.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

I want to talk about Paps because Kate always complained about them and said they followed her around( in Wernersville??). I use to live in the Bay Area not far from San Francisco and I never saw any celebrities and didn't know anything about Paps or how they work.

When I first moved to Southern California we lived in Newport Beach. I lived about 3 miles from Kobe Bryant but I never saw him and I also worked out at a gym where Tiger Woods also worked out and never saw him. But then we moved to LA and and I see movie, TV, and reality stars all over the place. I have never seen paparazzi follow stars around. Sure the paps might hang around like at the Grove but stars don't have to go there, they can go to many other malls!

Miley Cyrus doesn't have to be hounded by paps when walking her dog! There are walking trails, dog trails all over the place.she wants to be photographed to stay relevant. And that is true to many stars who complain about the paparazzi. Just like Kate when she would call HER pap to take pictures of her and the kids!

Now there is a difference between stalkers and paps! Stalkers do go to stars houses and that's why Kate should stop flirting with that Irish guy! That's scarey!

I don't want to simplify the relationship between stars and paps but come on LA is a big place. That's why the really big stars aren't photographed unless a movie is coming out! That's why I say ALL LIES!!

Jennifer said...

"@Kateplusmy8: @xxxxxxxxx BEST fruit ever is Harry&Davids but its monthly org fruit del&it's TOTALLY Divine!We were gifted 2yrs from friends!Kids miss it!"

She is so shameless, if she had an ounce of self-awareness, she'd be embarrassed. How pathetic does it make her look as a mother if her kids miss eating FRUIT? Seriously, no wonder she has no friends.

handinhand said...

Admin, your 'Remember Jon is dead' line was fuuuny.

Anonymous said...

Long time reader of this blog. Love all the witty and intelligent discussions about the ongoing saga which is Kate's life. You are some funny women! First post. I just had to bring up a documentary (love any and most all) I recently watched; Family Band, The Cowsills Story. It is the sad tale of a family band which was made up of 6 siblings and their mom. Dad was an abusive alcoholic who ruled over the band with an iron fist. By the now adult children's first hand accounts, he was a tyrant. A bully. By all accounts from the way the band was portrayed they were this successful, perfect family. And of course it being the early to mid sixties who would have exposed the father as the emotionally and physically abusive browbeater which he really was. But the story, in my opinion, had similarities to perhaps what the Gosselin eight are going through at the present. And watching the 7 siblings(one sibling was not allowed in the band by father) reminiscing about the past and the heartbreak of their childhood, I could see the eight in the future doing the same. There was also interviews with former managers and the like, one spoke of the money the family earned, close to the amount of twenty million he guessed. And he asked, what happened to it? One of the sons said we all came into adulthood in debt. Sounds like another story we know....

Dee

kris said...

She claims she doesn't get 8 hours of sleep because she has 8 kids? Are they 2? Good grief, they are almost 9 and 12 - they sleep thru the night. Get the heck off of twitter and go to bed, don't blame the kids b/c you need tweeties to adore you before bedtime.

Marie said...

wonder what happened to Kate's BFF - the one who used to fry her hair?


Marie

Mel said...

Welcome Dee! Keep posting!

handinhand said...

Does Kate buy a special keyboard that allows her to type all those lies on her Stir bog and Twitter?
I think most keyboards would spontaneously combust.

Resident said...

Dee, I am actually going to see the Cowsills get inducted into the R.I. Hall of Fame at the end of this month.

I don't get Showtime but that documentary is available for purchase on Amazon.

Thanks for mentioning the Cs here. I have always adored them and their music.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

"@Kateplusmy8: @xxxxxxxxx BEST fruit ever is Harry&Davids but its monthly org fruit del&it's TOTALLY Divine!We were gifted 2yrs from friends!Kids miss it!"


She mentions the kids miss it hoping one of her gullible fans will send a subscription for the tups birthday.

Get crackin' Milo. Kate's sent down the word.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

We have enjoyed our fair share of Harry & David gift fruit boxes over the years, the pears are amazing, but the operative word is gift. Otherwise, it's a ridiculously expensive way to provide fruit for your family. She make herself look dumber and dumber with every new tweet. Or it's just another grift call-out. Pathetic.

FYI said...

Does Kate ever think that when she retweets platitudes, that the message in the platitude actually refers to her?

kateplusmy8
RT @Notebook: Live without pretending, love without depending, listen without defending, speak without offending.


Kate's life has been all about pretense and lies.

She depends on her tweeties to emotionally support her and that's why she "loves" them-she depended on her children to monetarily support her.

She never "listens" and is quick to defend herself. Her claims that she's a victim of bullying proves that.

As late as yesterday, she was rude to a fan who asked about Nala.

Here's a platitude for you, Kate:

Think, before tweeting, about the message you're sending.


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Welcome Dee and thanks for the documentary recommendation! Adding it to my list.


Let's Throw that is my experience too with the exception of people who were REALLY in demand and on every cover. I wasn't there but my friend did see Britney Spears pretty hounded over near Cross Creek once. Everyone else though it's not like that. Some people want it and cooperate.

I recently saw the paps with Dick Van Dyke outside the grocery store, they chatted with him like friends for a few minutes, snapped a few pics, then left. They didn't bother him in the grocery store and they didn't follow him home. I do think it would be nice to be able to go to the grocery store without getting your picture taken, but Dick Van Dyke really didn't seem to mind.

That said, I do think there was a brief time when the paps were crossing the line with Jon and Kate. Hounding them, camping out, following them around. Poor Collin had to cover his face. I'm sure that was scary. Do I think that's going on now? Absolutely not.

By the way I recently saw a pic from Easter of Angelina Jolie's oldest child (Maddox?) covering his face with his hat as he left the store. It broke my heart how much that reminded me of Collin.

FYI said...

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 2m
@kmcs1957 I say everyday:
'Anyone is capable of quitting, but not every1 can continue on and finish.......'
-Me (lol)
I'm a finisher...

So now she's tweeting her own platitude. At least this one she got right--

She's finished!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Oh I wanted to say this about Shoka the other day. For someone who is so confident that Shoka just loves being an outside dog, she sure spend a heck of a lot of time defending it.

If it were no big deal and he truly did love it I'm not sure why she would be so preoccupied with defending it, even going so far as to get inside his head and tell us his happy thoughts.

Her behavior suggests that she knows darn well deep down that that dog should be inside with his pack when the pack is inside, she just doesn't want him inside because she's not a dog person. If she would just be honest--I'm not a dog person and don't want a smelly hairy thing in my house, she'd get a lot more respect.

Mel said...

I finally got around to reading her blog post about the pets on The Stir. Good grief. What a bunch of drivel.

So many phrases that we're heard before....

I'm known for ....
I can tell xxx wants to make me happy
I can honestly ....
She has solved a social situation with humor
Din/noise of the household ....
I must admit ....
Another chance to teach a valuable lesson ....
The kids LOVE my new soft side

and all the stupid quote marks, and the bolding.

Mel said...

Oops! Forgot one.

A mental note


She's always making those!

Mel said...

And another one.

"I've mellowed"

We're seen that quite a few times lately, also.

Mel said...

I've already made a mental plan to rush to our local pet store when no one is looking to find a “fishy body double” if need be

Uh huh. Makes me wonder if all the "speculation" about Shoka being a "different" dog might indeed be true.

Maybe she could "honestly" tell us!!!!!!!!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Millicent yes strawberries are coming into season! They should be starting to get dirt cheap now so watch for sales. We can get them for as low as 99 cents for one of those big containers at the height of it usually around May or June.

If you follow a seasonal schedule fruit is much, much cheaper. I used to do this until I pretty much had it memorized, I found a web site that showed what fruits are in season in my area and printed out the list, taping it to my pantry door. I'm sure this similar printout can be found for any area of the country. Then I knew what fruits to look for in the store or farmer's market. They were almost always cheaper. Some fruits I do tend to want year round even though they are not in season, like berries and apples, so I tend to sometimes pay a premium for that, but I don't have a need to, say, eat pears or peaches all the time. I can wait until they are in season.

TLC stinks said...

Just popping in. My, my. How things have calmed down since last week. Safe to say there will be no Bullyville class action lawsuit. Hailey got her additional 15 minutes, and Kate continues to manufacture the world she wants her fans to see. And Jon stayed out of the whole mess. Bravo.

As far as her bog post, I have never known a dog who did not get giddy with anticipation for a car ride. Shoka must have been treated badly for him to not want to jump in a vehicle with Kate at the wheel. But then she says, "Having said that, every other week or so, our dog groomer, Rick, comes to pick him up to be groomed. For some reason, Shoka willingly rides in Rick’s vehicle." Wasn't Rick the name of the breeder? Anyway, she is using these blogs to paint herself as changed, but you see, Kate, Robert's first book is out there and the readers of your blog are posting quotes from his book about your mistreatment of Shoka and Nala. As an animal lover, I was and still am appalled.

The only reason any dogs were introduced into her household was because of TLC. And that fake return of Shoka: RATINGS. Shoka is now nothing more than a watchdog on that property. Not a family member.

Oh, I want to add the Kardashian divorce trial will be interesting in regards to the fakery in reality TV. Good job, Kris Humpheries, for not backing down in how you were used by Kim for the show.

Upstater said...

I heard that the Partridge Family TV series was kind of very loosely based on the Cowsill's story, obviously just the good parts anyway.

Thanks for the Documentary recommend, Dee. I plan to watch.

FYI said...

Hmm, has she revised her household manual?

mmkarnes ‏@mmkarnes 50m
@Kateplusmy8 are you as ready for nice weather as I am here in Illinois? Ready to get my 2 kids outside again...can't imagine having 8!

Kate Gosselin ‏@Kateplusmy8 24m
@mmkarnes mine play outside every night til almost dark... Ahhh! So nice! They zoom around on their bikes! Happy noises! :)

Remember Kate-you tweeted it:

"Live without pretending".

TLC stinks said...

Oops. Looked it up. The breeder was a guy named Jeff Christopher.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Kate is a twit said... 164

Now now,

Kate is right about this one she never quite anything.

She either fired or shamed into doing things or wants to show out.

chefsummer #Leh said...

prairiemary said... 139

I have to sweet little Apso dog that's the only reason why they're allowed on my bed.

If I had Shoka she would be inside the GS is a beautiful dog.

TLC stinks said...

I had a chihuahua once and if you asked him if wanted to go "Ride, ride?" he literally danced himself crazy. Yeah, sure, Kate. Blame the kids and their battery cars for scaring Shoka.

FYI said...

The part of Kate's bog about Shoka was just a repeat of her Shoka Diaries post from Feb. 27, 2012, where Shoka "wrote" about riding in the BBB to the school bus stop. Excerpts:

"Oh, I wasn’t having ANY part of that! I do not enjoy car rides (or at least I try to convince myself that I don’t!) and I have only once in my life ridden in their really big car! It was when we visited the pet store a long time ago! The only time I really enjoy riding in a car is when my barking good friend, the groomer, picks me up in his suv! Oh yeah, that’s fun! Sometimes, he brings my girlfriend, Inka, along and we have lots of fun!

So, when I was called, I pressed my ears flat to my head, and made a very obvious bee line as I skidattled out around that back door – just in case it tried to suck me in! But my non-furry mommy patted the floor of the big car and called me very sweetly so I obliged and hopped right in! I really love her so I do as I’m told just like my little friends do – well, almost always – again, just like my little friends do!"

Kate can't even come up with any new material when writing her bog. She just recycles her old posts.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If anything those kids and their battery cars should have helped Shoka. It would have been good for a pup to hear their noise and see them whizzing by and become familiar with loud and fast machinery. The more he is exposed to such things the less likely he would have developed a fear of all things cars.

Did she do ANY socialization exercises with him as a pup or did she just get him and forget him?

Dmasy said...

My internet/cup of coffee time is extended because one of my MinPin girls is asleep in my lap. I just can't unfold and "dump" her.

In one minute I cant think of more authentic and loving comments about my dogs than Kate conjured up in all those dis-jointed words.

She pretends to be an pet lover. Pretends. You can't fake affection for an animal. She wants us to believe that she can read Shoka's mind. I think Shoka is growling because he is so mis-represented.

TLC stinks said...

From Cesar:

The car is the place where he is exhibiting the highest level of intensity of the problem or fear. First, take into consideration how you may be nurturing this behavior. What is your tone of voice? How are you feeling? Are you giving affection? Are you projecting your own fears or anxiety on him?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Speaking of dogs, foster dog is probably going to get adopted today! We're doing a meet and greet and as long as all goes well she will be welcomed into her new home.

I am happy for her but it was too quick. :-( She was the sweetest.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It just makes your life easier if you have a dog who enjoys car rides. Part of the reason I prefer dogs to cats in the first place is that dogs can be a little more involved in your lifestyle. As long as it's not too hot my dog often comes along with me. I'm lucky to live in a very pet friendly area and he is welcome in many places.

But if it's a battle to even get the dog in the car that highly reduces the quality of your time with him. If I want to go for a hike with him, I don't want the stress of battling him to go in the first place. I love it that I say let's go for a hike and he happily follows me outside, to the car, and is happy as a clam and will probably fall asleep on the way back. Shoka is missing out on many opportunities to do fun things with his pack because of his debilitating fear that no one seems keen to help him with. Even just having him tag along to the bus stop every day would be good stimulation for him that he's missing out on. Poor guy.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I use to have a female rottweiler she was huge and muscular.

She never barked or growled at cars or anyone but she was protective over my family.

Jennifer said...

"Did she do ANY socialization exercises with him as a pup or did she just get him and forget him?"

Are you kidding? This is Kate we're talking about. He's a commodity to her, just like her kids. He's probably afraid of the car because she beats him if he goes near it (can't have him potentially soiling it in any way).

TLC stinks said...

ITA, Admin. Nala was fortunate to not be returned and I hope she is happy. I feel so bad for Shoka. Wonder why the dog is so anxious and fearful? Geez, makes you wonder what is going on in that household.

A Pink Straight Jacket For Kate said...

Anonymous said... 154

Long time reader of this blog. Love all the witty and intelligent discussions about the ongoing saga which is Kate's life. You are some funny women! First post. I just had to bring up a documentary (love any and most all) I recently watched; Family Band, The Cowsills Story. It is the sad tale of a family band which was made up of 6 siblings and their mom. Dad was an abusive alcoholic who ruled over the band with an iron fist. By the now adult children's first hand accounts, he was a tyrant. A bully. By all accounts from the way the band was portrayed they were this successful, perfect family. And of course it being the early to mid sixties who would have exposed the father as the emotionally and physically abusive browbeater which he really was. But the story, in my opinion, had similarities to perhaps what the Gosselin eight are going through at the present. And watching the 7 siblings(one sibling was not allowed in the band by father) reminiscing about the past and the heartbreak of their childhood, I could see the eight in the future doing the same. There was also interviews with former managers and the like, one spoke of the money the family earned, close to the amount of twenty million he guessed. And he asked, what happened to it? One of the sons said we all came into adulthood in debt. Sounds like another story we know....

Dee

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Dee, OMG I saw that documentary- Louise Palanker
& Bob did a BEAUTIFUL job putting it together.

The Cowsills were a big part of my childhood, and I still hold them close to my heart.

I'm so happy that Bill was a big part of this documentary. What their father did to that family broke my heart. I don't understand why Barbara allowed him to be so iron fisted (I really don't), but she was probably a victim of his abuse as well.

I believe that Bud was the reason Bill, Richard, and Barry's struggled with substance abuse. It's apparent that Bill, Richard, and Paul took the brunt of their father's abuse.

And just when you think that it could not get worse, you find out that Bud tried to sexually abuse Susan.

God, what a sad story. The Cowsills are true survivors. God bless them. I wish them all happiness, and peace.

Have you all seen this youtube video, "Billy's Car"? Bill Cowsill was such a decent man.
Please watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyJKIRPu1uA



Tucker's Mom said...

My dogs love car rides. "Ride in car?" and the tails wag. DH and I took our Beardie on our yearly Cherry Blossom visit a couple days ago. He was such a trooper on our 1 1/2 hour lap around.
The blossoms took forever to pop to "peak" bloom, but boy, this year was gorgeous.

There is something seriously wrong when a dog shows aggression getting into a car. Fear is something totally different. Shoka's behavior with Kate in her car is worrying, and she's got the nerve to complain about Liz's dog.
Seriously, if your dog shows this type of behavior getting into a car, you need to get a professional involved.
Kate is so clueless. She tries to write about being such a good pet owner and just shows that she doesn't have a clue.
If your dog happily hops in the groomer's car and shows aggression and hesitation getting in your car, guess what? It's YOU.

Marie said...

I have a little pomapoo who likes going for car rides if he knows where he's going. He gets very anxious if we don't turn the right way. If we turn toward the groomer, he turns into a shivering mess. He does not like going to the groomer or the vet but he loves to go everywhere else. He has never gotten aggressive about going in the car. I don't think I have ever had a dog who would do that. It's more likely he is afraid to go with Kate, especially as he is a German Shepherd. They are definitely the breed of dog who gets very attached to their owners and want to be with them all of the time (normally). Our family has had shepherds in the past and they can be annoying clingy.

Marie

Marie

Silimom said...

The documentary is on YouTube. I think, Admin, we have a new one for our movie club. :-)

AussieGoldenLuv said...

TLC 171...I have never known a dog who did not get giddy with anticipation for a car ride.
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Many dogs don't. I've had both. One I got as a puppy and socialized out the whazoo, but she was spooky and fearful (otherwise she was the perfect dog) and didn't like the car. The other was a rescue I got at ~1 yr old and even working desensitization she hated it. Right up to her last trip to the vet. :-( I've trained 5 dogs over the last 13 years in 9 sports, with over 80 titles, high in trials, national rankings in multiple sports, etc. and have attended over 40 behavior/training seminars so it's not like I'm completely clueless about canine behavior.

I'm SO thankful my current two love their car. They pretty much grew up in it, traveling with me everywhere I could, to shows, classes, etc. They had thousands of miles on before they were 7 mos old and it makes a huge difference.

I personally wouldn't have left Shoka outside darting at the little cars. That is a herding dog instinct - to stop the moving vehicles - but it's not a cute behavior to encourage. Proper desensitization would've included moving Shoka far enough away from the activity so he wasn't overy threshhold, rewarding desirable behavior, then slowly moving him closer.

Silimom said...

He's probably afraid of the car because she doesn't take him for rides in it. Oh wait, she probably would have no issue with him being in the BBB. After all, that's the kids' car. But I doubt he goes in any of the others.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Aussie I didn't realize German Shepherds are herders! If that's the case, I wonder if he has a lot of pent up frustration because he always wants to herd the kids, and obviously, can't.

I've seen herding breeds at the dog park and they actually seem very frustrated and unhappy. They spend most of the time trying to herd the other dogs. Of course the other dogs will have none of it and the herders are left constantly darting back and forth with no one listening. Like a teacher in an out of control classroom.

Herders I think are intermediate to advanced dogs. You need to know what you are doing. Kate should have got a real simple to handle breed that will just lounge around and doesn't have so much energy to unleash.

FYI said...

When Kate wrote the Shoka Diary about Shoka being skunked, Shoka "said" this when Kate went to pick him up after someone found him:

"My non furry human mom, opened the back door, while shaking her head (for the record, she had a loving half smile on her face – I saw it!) and thanked the man who “got” me, and I obediently hopped in."

In the picture included in the post about Shoka's ride in the BBB, Shoka doesn't look the least stressed out about being in a car. If he were, I don't she would've been able to take this picture.

http://www.kateplusmy8.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/shoka_car.jpg

So which is it Kate? Shoka doesn't like cars, or he has no problem with them?

FYI said...

When Kate wrote about Shoka chasing the kids' motorized cars, she said:

"Although we have no idea what really upsets him about moving vehicles, the kids suspect he was “scarred for life” by their fleet of small battery-operated cars. When Shoka was a puppy and the kids were just 5 years old, they used to whiz around the driveway in these cars. They think he thought they were chasing him, but in actuality, he seemed to spur the chases as he “rabidly” tried to puncture their tires any chance he got with his strong jaw and teeth. It was his attempt to shut those cars down for good! It was a daily game of “car and mouse” around here"

My first thought was that if she assumes that he was "attempting to shut those cars down for good", wouldn't she be very concerned about Shoka getting off the property and possibly chasing cars on their road? She said he "loves to roam", yet she doesn't really seem all that concerned about his safety at all. I know dogs who have been killed by cars that they chased.

Thinking that chasing cars-any type of car-is a game of "car and mouse", shows very poor judgment for a dog owner.

Formerly Duped said...

Who would get their dog groomed every other week??? Mine has hair that grows so has to go every 6 weeks or so, but we bathe her in between as needed and brush her daily, as well as her teeth. What a waste of money and denies the kids the responsibility and joy of pet care.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

None of his behaviors seem to concern her.

It would be one thing if this dog had one or two quirks. All dog owners know sometimes that happens. But this dog has a dozen red flags.

She's one of those dog parents who thinks it's "cute" that her dog lives in constant fear, it's "cute" that her dog runs away or is stubborn or growls. It's all cute.

Also I think describing your DOG as "rabidly" doing something isn't exactly the best choice of words LOL. No pun intended right!

Anonymous said...

Kate tweets about 'working' from her 'desk' at 'home'. She's been doing this for a while now and I believe it's because she wants to be able to claim a part of her home as a business/self employment deduction.

She can actually deduct a part of her heating/electric bill, phone bill, and more by whatever percent of her home is being used as her office.

However, the mystery still remains, what the Heck does she work at?

AuntieAnn said...

I haven't read Kate's lastest post but from what everyone is saying it sounds like the usual twaddle full of lies and fantasies written by 12-year-old mind in a 38-year-old body.

Our neighbor had a black lab, Judy, who lived for car rides. He couldn't leave his car keys laying around anywhere or Judy would bring them to him in her mouth.

Shoka is the saddest victim of the entire Kate Gosselin saga. He can't speak so of course she'll put words in his mouth. We've seen how she treats her kids and anyone weaker than herself. If she'll yank a baby up by the hair she'll beat a dog.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm not sure how the IRS would feel about it when your "home office" is used as a command center to coordinate with old ex girlfriends about how to get back at your ex husband.

AuntieAnn said...

I wonder if she wears a combat helmet while she's sitting there.

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