This got us thinking, what are some other historical publicity stunts that backfired? Here are five of some of the biggest:
Aqua Teen terrorist attack.
O.J. Simpson,
In 2006, HarperCollins's thought it would be a good idea to publish a book written by O.J. entitled "If I Did It." Following the public's outrage, a big wig at the publishing company was fired and the project was scrapped.
A train wreck, literally.
In 1896, railroad companies decided to stage a controlled crash in Texas for publicity. With thousands of spectators watching, the trains collided head on as planned, but then unexpectedly exploded, killing three people and injuring countless others, including the event's photographer, who lost one of his eyes.
No Fly Zone.
In 2009, the Department of Defense flew Air Force One low over Manhattan to take some photos. The flight terrified many New Yorkers, causing "mayhem" as people who thought we were under attack again scrambled to evacuate. A White House aide resigned, authorities apologized and cancelled a similar photoshoot planned in D.C.
Please stop. Sincerely, Mr. President.
Harry Reichenbach was a big time press agent at the turn of the 20th century who promoted films like Return of Tarzan. He staged several outlandish publicity stunts, including a fake suicide, and a kidnapping to Mexico. His antics finally resulted in President Woodrow Wilson writing him a letter pleading with him to please stop his nonsense.
Where will Kate's blunder rank in history? Will Obama write to her asking her to please stop? Heh, never say never! What other publicity blunders would you add to this list?
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I completely disagree. This time around, the bulk of the news media outlets and internet sites put the abuse FRONT AND CENTER. As it should be.
They covered it right this time, thank God. I even have two links in this post to respected newscasters like Elizabeth Vargas covering it correctly. Bringing up the spanker and her bad behavior and abuse FIRST THING. Good for them. Good....for...them.
I already thought she was mean from her show..my mother thought she was awful and refused to watch after a few episodes. My big WTF moment was when my friend dragged me to see her talk (sponsored by my friend's church) in Lancaster County in 2008. There were photos of their Hawaiian vacation in People out, yet she was passing the plate "for the kids" and my friend whose husband was out of work was going to donate. I told her she was nuts, had she and her family been to Hawaii? Her laziness and greed were apparent to locals back when the tups were 1 and she was begging for a free nurse.
Paul Petersen isn't going to weigh in with a plea for privacy in a million years because that goes against everything he believes in, that bad behavior should be exposed, not covered up.
capecodmama said... 184
It was tons upon tons of episodes where she sat down and barks orders.
The episodes I didn't like was when she told Maddy to hurry up and get paper towels.
And poor Maddy was like. I'm trying while Kate just yelled at her and talked to the camera.
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...the trick is you have to be willing to listen and hear what they are saying.
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That's the trouble with Kate. She is unwilling and incapable of listening. If you've ever had a debate with a narcissist you soon find out they never ever admit to wrongdoing. They'll speak over you and louder. They'll dig their heels in even deeper. I'm sure people have told her to move on, but that just makes her more angry. She believes she's right and by god there will be justice for her!! lol! This is the same woman who held high court over a missing two inches of equator on a $20 globe.
"At the beginning of this investigation I made the decision to take legal action against those found to be responsible and see no reason to change this decision now..."
Nancy, my experience is similar to yours. Older dd came home from college for a break and told us there was this great show on tlc about this cute young couple with a bunch of adorable children, and we just had to watch! An episode came on and dd got us in the living room and turned it on. It was in the middle of one of the couch sessions. TFMJG was being typically disrespectful to Jon. We watched for about two, three minutes when my typically laid back dh saw enough. He asked dd why was Jon letting her talk to him like that. Dd said something like they just teased each other, they were really cute, just keep watching. That is when dh turned off the TV, told dd he did not want her to watch that trash, and told her that she should never tall to any future husband like that. He concluded by observing he didn't care how mammy kids they had, he didn't understand why Jon hadn't left her if that was the way she talked to him in front of a camera,.how much worse was it in private?
I caught a few minutes of the show other times, to see of things were really that bad. When I saw TFMJG say her parents were not involved, I knew something was really off about the show and their entire situation.
like others, long before I ever googled Kate Gosselin abuse. I just thought Jon was a victim of emotional and verbal abuse. It was so much worse. Child abuse. Animal abuse. Horrible, horrible woman. I formed that opinion back when Jon was still her servant and before anyone had heard of Robert.
I am tired of the messengers being blamed instead of Kate being blamed. SHE did the abuse, not us. No one else is to be blamed or shamed about this abuse and no one should be blamed for talking about it. If it helps one parent to question whether perhaps their own behavior is abusive, it was a good thing
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Exactly Admin! Geesh, the world I full of cover ups and when it finally gets out people cry foul that "what took so long?" In this case some people are now saying "oh, don't expose anymore"!!
Whistle Blower laws came into place because of this type of mentality.
I don't give a s%$@ if Jon, in a covert operation, Mission Impossible style, STOLE those disks and gave them to Hoffman. Goes to show IF he did, how tight his b$##@ were being vise gripped. They (tfw & tlc) destroyed him, emotionally AND financially! CPS couldn't even do what was right! Desperate times call for desperate measures. He exhausted ALL avenues. ALL. SHE'S TRYING TO TAKE HIS KIDS AWAY!!! GET IT?
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It must be very hard to desperately want to change the public's perception of you, yet the images from "the realest reality tv show" beg to differ from your now desired persona. SHE made the bed and to blame anyone else is delusional. But I guess. If you have the money you can get an attorney to try anything. Sad. Westbrooke
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So true, Westbrooke. I think TFW became addicted to the control and manipulation her fame and money afforded her. She heartily patted herself on the back while telling everyone how hard she worked, when her job only consisted of being paid to go on vacation. She then told everyone she was a fabulous, world class runner, her first (and only) full marathon was mired in controversy. She is the one who constantly and repeatedly insisted she does it all with very, very little help. Robert exposed the fact that she had help for just about everything. He offered proof of back and forth emails with her personal chef and the many grocery lists TFW provided the nannies who did the bulk of the grocery shopping.
She seems to labor under the delusion that she is legally entitled to tell multiple lies about herself because it is necessary for her fame, brand and persona. She now wants to punish the person who exposed her, but does she really think a judge is going to have sympathy for someone who insists on lying and who is now crying because the lies were exposed? Because that person insists that the only way she can make a living is by being famous?
The whole suit makes no sense. I think it was filed with the hope that it will have the same outcome as BV's suit against Hunter Moore. Mr. Moore didn't show up and BV won a large judgement- BY DEFAULT. BV crows about winning that suit and his judgement, when really he won nothing. He won because the other guy didn't show up. I can't help but wonder if TFW was railroaded into this with the promise Robert and Jon probably won't show up, either.
This story is being covered as a salacious celebrity divorce, not the story of abused, exploited children. What don't you get, Vanessa? If the media begins to cover this as a story of abuse and exploitation, then, I agree that there may be some value in it.
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It's being reported in exactly the same way as ALL COVER UP SCANDALS. Sadly the haydays of 60 mins and "original" CNN are long gone.
I also feel the majority of us that WANT this exposed ARE victims of abuse. Am I wrong??
Whatever happened to "Block the haters and join the fun"?
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Narcissists flitter and flutter from one thing to the next, never able to stick to one thing for long. Block the haters was just one thing she fluttered to and quickly lost interest in. Now it's sue my children's father. And who knows what's coming next!
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Someone else said she will withdraw it. I'm starting to think that too. She'll use this to create just enough buzz to jump start the cookbook sales then withdraw it at the 11th hour. I bet this lawsuit will be gone in 6 weeks, we'll see.
She's despicable.
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I feel this to and it will prove that she's selfish and only cares about staying in the limelight.
I'll even bet she'll delete her new statement from her blog.
I'll even bet she tweet something saying I withdraw. Due to respect of my kids blah blah blah making herself once again look good.
OT: Molly, I keep up with BB at jokers updates dot com. There are quite a few folks who get the live feeds and post ongoing commentary and summary to the live feed discussion board. Sometimes even screen captures.
don't go there unless you want to know every detail in real time.
I just love Julie Chen more and more! She is handling a delicate balancing act with grace and class. Long live the Chen Bot!
Lots of people here said they were abused so I assume that's a common opinion, it should be exposed.
Let me pose it this way, is there a specific example of an abused child making a public statement saying how much worse things are because the abuse is being talked about and exposed and to please stop it? That their lives would have been so much better if only it all stayed behind closed doors? I recall abuse PERPS saying that but not the victims.
I didn't hear that from a single Sandusky victim or any of the countless victims of Catholic priests. Actually, I heard the opposite. Expose it, talk about it, put this front and center, I never want this to happen to anyone else. I thank my lucky stars I was never abused and had a wonderful childhood so I can't say how I would feel, but I trust these children that they know what they are talking about it.
@ Chefsummer, this post wasn't mine :)
Vanessa said... 160
To those who were raised in abuse, what do you think it would be like to have it published in a book and plastered in the media? And, to start school with your teachers and classmates knowing about it , and sordid details of their lives. I just can't see how this is in the best interest of the kids.
I think that surprised her. Seems the only one who asked was whoever was at the bus stop. No one (two words, Somewhere in Time) would pay for it just like no (space) one would pay for the picture the Philly Pap took two years ago.
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lol, Local! My comment wasn't a criticism, grammar policing (heaven knows I make my share of goofs) or snark. So many people do the NOONE thing, and I always have to think of Peter when I see it. He puts on a wonderful show, by the way, sometimes joining with Mickey The Monkees Dolenz and David Cassidy.
Admin? Are posts appearing and disappearing or is it just my eyes?
Vanessa said... 17
@ Chefsummer, this post wasn't mine :)
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LOL.
Let me pose it this way, is there a specific example of an abused child making a public statement saying how much worse things are because the abuse is being talked about and exposed and to please stop it? That their lives would have been so much better if only it all stayed behind closed doors? I recall abuse PERPS saying that but not the victims.
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OMG! Exactly. Walk into ANY therapy session and LISTEN for crying out loud. Sorry, but I'm really frustrated
Just speculating, but I'm guessing TFW went to BV's lawyers with a laundry list of complaints that certainly included all the haters.
And at the end of the day the only remotely meritorious lawsuit they could come up with was really about Jon and Robert. He had to tell her the ridiculousness with the fans and non-fans is no suit at all (just like I'm CERTAIN Marty told her). But because she's basically promised her fans something good for ages now, she has to sort of save face and pretend it's all related. Thus she writes some convoluted blog post tying it all together but not really. She's banking on them being too stupid to realize that their part of the suit is completely kaput, which would be a fair bet.
The other option is that in her mind she really does think it's all related, and that's pretty pathetic.
Jaycee Duggar is probably the most shy, private young woman you will meet. But it was very important to her to write a book and go on T.V. to tell the story. That speaks volumes. She truly does want her privacy and even most of the media has agreed not to take her photo, but the one aspect of her life she was willing to expose was the abuse. She wrote horrific details because it was important to her that be public. I put a lot of weight in that. I highly recommend her book.
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@Kateplusmy8 I don't blame u AT ALL for taking legal action. It takes a lot of courage. Just know u hv ppl pulling for u & praying too.
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No, that's the easy thing to do, take legal action. Anyone can file a lawsuit. It takes courage to bite the bullet, walk away, put all of that behind you and move on...for the sake of your kids. You just have to know when to walk away and not count all of your money while you're sitting at the table.
If she still goes on her press tour I hope no one ask her about the lawsuit.
I hope she doesn't get the attention from this and gets the chance to play victim.
No, that's the easy thing to do, take legal action. Anyone can file a lawsuit. It takes courage to bite the bullet, walk away, put all of that behind you and move on...for the sake of your kids.
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Amen. It takes courage to make up with your children's father and move on from past slights. Any schmuck can file a lawsuit and have some other bully fight their battle for them behind closed courtroom doors.
Blowing - I think she'll go through with it. "Can we sue them?" was one of her catch phrases inRobert's book. Kate is a bully. She uses lawsuits or the threat of them to intimidate people.
It's ironic that Randazza is part of a SLAPP suit, as he really lobbied to get Nevada's anti-SLAPP statute updated. He also is known for defending the first amendment rights of the adult entertainment (porn). My husband has followed his work on the Righthaven case. In that case, he was defending website owners against a copyright troll company.
Randazza has probably been brought in to Kate's case because of the alleged copyright issues. He is a heavy hitter, from what my husband says, and Jon & Robert need good representation going up against him.
I wonder, though, what he'll do when he actually starts working with Kate and gets to know her. Should be interesting to watch.
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@sunnytm9 I was gonna order her cookbook 2 until this nonsense about her contacting the media about her suing her kid's dad
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Lost all respect for Kate gosselin. Supposedly she's changed. Her actions have proved otherwise #unfollow
I expect that Kate's going to lose a few fans as a result of her latest actions. She just doesn't know when enough is enough.
Here's the link to Randazza's firm if anyone is interested. http://randazza.com/
Jeanne my eyes glazed over reading that complaint too and I'm a lawyer. A good lawyer really is a writer. Don't assume most lawyers like to read a long boring Harvard law run on sentence diatribe. You have to tell a story. There is something about that complaint that has the feeling of, if I just put enough legalese in this it will look legit.
If you've ever had a debate with a narcissist you soon find out they never ever admit to wrongdoing. They'll speak over you and louder. They'll dig their heels in even deeper. I'm sure people have told her to move on, but that just makes her more angry. She believes she's right and by god there will be justice for her!! lol! This is the same woman who held high court over a missing two inches of equator on a $20 globe.
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Another reason HER OWN WORDS should be out there for the world to read.
She's been allowed to speak her lies upon lies to whatever outlet she chose.
Bullyville has tweeted a couple of interesting tweets that are so applicable to TFW.
"True redemption is seized when you accept the future consequences for your past mistakes."
"Everyone has their faults which they continually repeat: neither fear nor shame can cure them.
Blowing - I think she'll go through with it. "Can we sue them?" was one of her catch phrases inRobert's book. Kate is a bully. She uses lawsuits or the threat of them to intimidate people.
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I also think that she will. Perhaps at first this was just a publicity stunt and she figured she could always withdraw the complaint. It's too late now. She's in way too far. She never counted on this backfiring as much as it has.
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@sunnytm9 I was gonna order her cookbook 2 until this nonsense about her contacting the media about her suing her kid's dad
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Lost all respect for Kate gosselin. Supposedly she's changed. Her actions have proved otherwise #unfollow
I expect that Kate's going to lose a few fans as a result of her latest actions. She just doesn't know when enough is enough.
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I just checked this person out to see if it was a hater sock. Nope. Some girl who also is watching Big Brother. Good for her!
I was abused as a child. I was in the first grade and my mom asked me if I had broken a glass and I said no( which was true) and she hit my mouth so hard that she cut my lip and gums. Even though the bleeding wouldn't stop she didn't bother to take me to the doctor. She raised her hand many times but her weapon of choice was cutting a branch of a tree or plant, remove the leaves and use it as a whip. The last time she laid a hand on me I was a junior in high school!
Would I want someone to expose my abuse? Heck yes! Who cares what anyone thinks. If a family member, nanny, housekeeper, TLC, or one of the older girls had exposed Kate imagine how many less beatings those kids would have gone through.
BTW, the pain of those beatings went away but the pain that stayed to this day is I still think my mother did not love me.
Kate reminds me of my mom, they have very similar personalities. The only difference is my mom was very hard working and Kate is very lazy.
Have a great Labor Day weekend !
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I think that surprised her. Seems the only one who asked was whoever was at the bus stop. No one (two words, Somewhere in Time) would pay for it just like no (space) one would pay for the picture the Philly Pap took two years ago.
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lol, Local! My comment wasn't a criticism, grammar policing (heaven knows I make my share of goofs) or snark. So many people do the NOONE thing, and I always have to think of Peter when I see it. He puts on a wonderful show, by the way, sometimes joining with Mickey The Monkees Dolenz and David Cassidy
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Oh! Good! My mistake! XO
"At the beginning of this investigation I made the decision to take legal action against those found to be responsible and see no reason to change this decision now..."
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Does this sound like she's been under pressure from some (either friends, family, celebrities or perhaps other attorneys) to drop this case? Why does this just randomly appear in her statement? By darn, she started it, she's going to see it through no matter what anyone else advises...the control thing.
Since she is asking for a jury trial…will she have to come clean with all the freebies she has received? I remember someone mentioned on twitter or on this blog that she is often seen at Target paying with a pile of gift cards. The way she has proyarded herself to be struggling financially should also be brought up. The incessant grifting from past years and her behavior on the show has basically made her a target for ‘bullying’. No one told her to behave like that; she brought that on herself. The solicitations for gift cards and stuff should be made illegal, in my opinion.
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Molly 12 said... 193
...I agree with an earlier poster that thinks now that the kids are back in school, there is no way to keep them from hearing about mom suing dad from their peers. Kate can’t turn off internet access on everyone’s phone.
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I don't think there is a need to worry about the kids finding out about the lawsuit from people at school or on the internet. I believe their lunatic, histrionic, "I am victim" parental unit has probably already told them all about it.
She has no doubt cried to them that their father is soooooo horrible and mean, and he is always trying to hurt her and make her look bad, and has caused people to hate her, that she just had no choice but to sue him. She has never before considered how her actions and words would affect them, so I don't think she would suddenly change in an effort to protect them.
Boo, hoo, cry, cry, sob, sob, whine, whine, lie, lie.
Those poor kids probably don't know which way is up.
And for what it's worth, I think all instances of abuse should have the brightest of lights shined upon them as soon and as long as possible. We should never allow abuse to remain in the shadows where dark secrets and shame fester.
There is something about that complaint that has the feeling of, if I just put enough legalese in this it will look legit.
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It goes with the KG writing style - if you use big words you look smarter. Not working so well for her I would say. Wait until Ms. Umm gets asked a question about the lawsuit - she is not prepared for that. I hope she gets slamdunked, and hard.
Was abused at home by a family member throughout my entire childhood. Sounds awful, but please do not feel bad for me; I've worked really hard and made some difficult choices in order to have a really great life today. As to Admin's question, I constantly fantasized about being saved, about him getting caught, or going to jail, or dying. I literally mean constantly; every day that was my thought upon waking and my dream as I went to bed at night. However, I was terrified to talk about it because of the threats he told me, of what my life would be like- in foster care, for exammple- if I talked. He spoke of being taken away from my mom, my sister, my school.
There were a few times I attempted to get help, once with a sixth grade teacher, but this was a long time ago, and the teacher handled it privately with my mother. He felt I was just looking for attention, and he didn't want to cause unnecessary problems for my parents. He actually said this to my mother while I stood there. I also attempted to talk with my mother on numerous occasions, but she was deep in denial and chose to look the other way.
So, to answer your question Admin, yes, victims want the truth out, they want the abuse to stop, and they want the abuser to get what's coming to them. I had one aunt, my mother's much younger sister, who had also been abused by the same abuser as me, and who spoke privately about it with me on one single occasion: I cannot describe how meaningful that one conversation was to me. To be heard, believed and validated, even though it was only that one time, gave me hope and the strength to move off the path those experiences set me on.
As to those speculating that having school mates, teachers or passers-by knowing the private shame of abuse would make things worse, I would ask you to imagine how isolating and soul-killing it is to go about pretending to be a "normal" kid, all the while knowing what waits for you when you get off the bus everyday. I never would have given a rat's ass what anyone knew or said about me, if only it could have stopped a little sooner.
Shamelessly, LeeLee
I think it's just Randazza's firm, not actually him in person who will be in court.
She will not drop the suit. She is stubborn. Ha, but so is Robert.
What happens if....she pulls the suit. RH will probably still publish the book and Kate would have some explaining to do on why she didn't pursue action against RH. Since the tide of public opinion is against her now she might be considering it. The public would wonder always why with all her public accusations didn't she see it through. On the flip side if she does continue and it does go to court, all her secrets could be exposed. So pull the suit public wonders "why", pursue the suit her secrets are exposed. What to do, what to do. Didn't really think this one through. She was probably in her "can we sue" mentality when she filed the suit.
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How far do you take this anyway. Maybe nothing bad should ever be talked about because someone could be hurt by the talk. I just can't buy into that philosophy.
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we are talking about. People have been talking about this for years. it is already out there. the authorities know, the divorce judge knows, CPS knows and everyone involved with them know.
Those were the people that needed to know about Sandusky, to take protective measures and throw him in jail.
Apparently, Kate's actions do not rise to the level of abuse that would revoke her custody, or even require supervision. I don't agree with this--I think she qualifies as an abusive parent. I agree with 95% of the conclusions reached by most posters. Where I disagree, is that I believe that more harm then good will come of the public thrashing this out. The time will come when the kids will deal with this in their own way, and for those who choose, privately. Because, exactly like filming their lives, they have no voice in this. I want them to have privacy and the chance to have what is left of their childhood. I am not in a hurry for TFW to get her comeuppance. She will, and, to some degree, she has. I guess that nothing short of a public tar and feathering will satisfy some people.
Shouldn't the REASON someone files a law suit be clearly evident said Law suit? Not attached to an advertisement for a cookbook?
@Leelee, your story resonates with me. Those fantasies you had I also had. And don't think for a minute those kids don't have the same fantasies. Take another look at the video of those hysterical kids in the van before they're forced to go back into that prison, without ANYONE to act as a buffer. In "our" examples of wanting to be saved and the perp exposed, it's not on the global scale that THIS exposure has to be. The media HAS to report on it. It's a huge cover up that involved money exchanging hands to save and abuser and a corporation. If tfw HADN'T had tlc backing her and Jon had the proof he has now, I honestly think he would have had primary custody. She would have still abused those kids, but Jon would have had MORE power to stop her. It's not just their mother who abused them it's an entity, a corporation.
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By darn, she started it, she's going to see it through no matter what anyone else advises...the control thing.
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Also goes with her "I'm a contract honorer"...when it suits her
And some of us have specualated that she may be bi-polar. Try being a child living with THAT without another adult around? Ask any adult child of a manic parent what their childhoods were like?
Just read TFW's statement on her blog addressing the lawsuit, and I am dumbfounded. The way I read it, she is saying that she is a victim of online hate and bullying because she is also the victim of Robert's book, and by default, also a victim of Jon's friendship with Robert. Did I get that right? The online hate and bullying are the real problems she wants to address with this lawsuit, and she has concluded that the root cause is the book. Um... Okay?
She also tacks the kids in there, her usual, "doing it for the kids" spiel, but I don't see any hate or bullying directed at the kids (according to her, they do not have any social media accounts). [I realize there once were sites that were quite nasty towards a child or two, but since the show ended, that appears to have gone away]
Randazza's site is an interesting read. It seems contradictory in regards to signing Kate as his client. In this case, what and whom he usually defends, fall on the other side of the lawsuit. I also find these quotes: "Gambling is the future on the internet. You can only look at so many dirty pictures.”, "Those who wish to stamp out pornography wish to stamp out ideas." "We strongly believe that the remedy for bad speech is more speech; not censorship", sum up many of his beliefs. Not someone I would've chosen to represent my family. Rushie is less impressive.
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Seems like when a new post goes through it's not necessarily in sequence? I thought some were disappearing
Apparently, Kate's actions do not rise to the level of abuse that would revoke her custody, or even require supervision.
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SHE had an expert legal team behind her, Jon could only afford a schmuck
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 I don't understand folks who expect U 2just "look the other way"...just "take the abuse"!! Ur kids were being hurt as well!
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 We R not a "law unto ourselves"..there R consequences 4folks who repeatedly break the law..even if they're "close 2home"! #Life
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Milo sounds more like she's taking TFW to task than encouraging her. I wonder if these tweets will be deleted once Molo realizes what she's written. Yes Milo, too many people have looked the other way for too long because TFW had the TLC machine behind her and TFW is not a law unto herself. I do agree with you on these points Milo.
Does anyone besides me think that Laverne and Shirley are sitting back shaking their heads and breathing a sigh of relief? I kind of picture L&S on one of THW's shoulders and BV on the other (a la Animal House) with BV saying "do it! Do it!" and L&S saying "don't do it, stop and think". There's a reason that this did not start until her alliance with BV.
Then again, she could quickly lose interest in this lawsuit (if it actually exists, other than in her own mind, and I'm not entirely convinced it does).
It could be her way of toying with people's emotion$, same as with Menu Monday, Throwback Thursday, etc. Maybe it's the latest in a series of "traditions" K8's famous for. #CanWeSue?
The problem with the belief that abuse should be kept private, even when stated that it's done to somehow protect the victims of abuse, is that it conveys to the victim that their being abused is shameful, something to be hidden and not talked about, and further, it protects the one doing the abuse.
For those reasons, I cannot agree that Kate's physical abuse of her children should not be made public, until the children are adults.
Keeping a lid on this information is protecting the abuser. Further, if my child was friends with someone whose parent was abusing them, I'd want to know. If I am unaware of this abusive behavior, then I unwittingly allow my child to be around that abusive parent. I say heck no! to that.
I have little idea as to what this means but thought it interesting. It was tweeted by one of BV's buddies
xxxxxxxxxxxx as someone who has assisted @Bullyville in locating some of the "Doe's" I can assure you their identities are indeed known.
The time will come when the kids will deal with this in their own way, and for those who choose, privately. Because, exactly like filming their lives, they have no voice in this. I want them to have privacy and the chance to have what is left of their childhood. I am not in a hurry for TFW to get her comeuppance. She will, and, to some degree, she has. I guess that nothing short of a public tar and feathering will satisfy some people.
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Are none of these survivor stories taking any effect? We've allll said that if only SOMEONE had listened, helped, saved us! And just like filming, they have no voice in escaping their mother! If they have "privacy" like you suggest, it'll be swept under the carpet. There has to be an uproar with THESE kids. THESE KIDS WITH A VERY PUBLIC MOTHER WHO WILL BE ALLOWED TO DISMISS THEIR ACCUSATIONS, DENY AND SPIN.
This is all so ridiculous. Someone said it earlier, Just Grow Up. She loves all the attention. She won't block or ignore the do called haters because any attention is good. She always said the haters motivated her. In fact, what little attention she does get is motivated by the haters. If it wasn't fair the haters, the people on her Twitter would not be there. They are just like her, they need someone to fight with. It I'd their "cause.". This bullshit lawsuit is just that. And now that the media, who she considered peers by the way, aren't standing behind her and who are actually laughing at her, she is feeling sheepish (fitting) and I'm guessing a little embarrassed. Grow. Up.
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This is all hard, isn't it.
Ex-Nurse - I see your point. Admin, others - I see your points, too.
I feel horrible for the kids. First day of school and this just had to be the hot topic of the day the day before.
TFW couldn't have waited a month? Or done it a month earlier? Who wants their kids to go to school facing crap like that their first day???
Not that they aren't already, but these poor kids are going to be scarred for life.
Ex nurse, again, Kate chose to make this a topic of discussion again. The media was silent on the abuse for ages until she decided to open the door again. It would be irresponsible of the media to not report and discuss the abuse in reference to this lawsuit. You don't get to open that door then cry to stop talking about it. It's directly relevant and the media has rightly made it front and center. The story is what it is. You can't pick and choose by some arbitrary standard. Moreover it is not the media's place to make that decision.
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when she left poor Joel in the dark on the cold laundry floor when he was sick. Holy crap! She is a cruel, cruel woman.
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That disgusting display of cold-hearted bitchiness was probably the straw that broke the camel's back for me. The scene of that poor little boy, left to lie alone on a cold laundry room floor with a bucket by his side, all because his horrible, foul mother was more concerned with not having to wash a dirty comforter! Then Jon arrives home, finds his sick son on the floor and picks him up, comforts him, takes him into he and Kate's own bed. Why people would ever say that Jon and Kate were equally bad parents after seeing that is beyond me.
The other heartbreaking scene was when Colin got a little gum on his lovey and Kate absolutely went off at him, literally screaming in his face, threatening to throw it away, while he cried in desolation.
No decent human being would make a child feel such sorrow and heartbreak, over stupid gum! If the lovey had been dipped in something dangerous, then yes you would have to get rid of it. But you comfort your child as you explain why it cannot be cleaned or otherwise salvaged. You break the news gently - you promise to find them another wonderful lovey just as good. What sort of inhumane person were we seeing on TV? Pure, straight cruelty on full display.
Kate - you ruined your own reputation, or rather, the phony reputation that TLC had concocted for you. Time and again, you've shown your true colors, and we see the despicable failure you are. Don't blame anyone else but yourself. And for crying out loud - get a dang job already! Lazy good-for-nothing.
I think that feeling bad that the abuse of the kids is out for public fodder is ok, but the blame for that falls squarely on TFW's shoulders.
She's the one who put it out there for public discussion. Again.
I am not in a hurry for TFW to get her comeuppance
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Meanwhile, those kids are still under her thumb.
Yeah, they have allll the time in the world to wait it out.
I want them to have privacy and the chance to have what is left of their childhood.
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They need to have what's left of their childhood SAVED, not just getting to live in in privacy. Period. SHE's the one who isn't shutting up.
Admin you're saying what I'm trying to say a lot more eloquently:)
This isnt' just little Jimmy down the street. It deserves media coverage. It deserves to be exposed, she needs to be exposed because she's a public persona and so are her kids, whether you like it or not.
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To those who were raised in abuse, what do you think it would be like to have it published in a book and plastered in the media? And, to start school with your teachers and classmates knowing about it , and sordid details of their lives. I just can't see how this is in the best interest of the kids.
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I was not abused as a child, so my opinions are just that, my own.
That being said - we know story after story of abuse that went unchecked for years, simply because people didn't know it was going on; or didn't want to interfere in someone else's "parenting style", or simply didn't know what to do, so did nothing. And the abuse continued on and on.
If the choice is between exposing the abuse publicly, versus the abuse continuing on -- then I would choose publicity and exposure every time.
Someone is being physically abused, and probably mentally harrassed as well. Do you think they would prefer that abuse to continue unabated vs. feelings of embarrassment when the abuse is exposed, which feelings will have a limited shelf life. After which, hopefully the abuser loses custody of the children and the abuse stops? I think if I were a child being abused, and had been from toddlerhood, I'd take a little bit of embarrassment if the end result was the abuse came to a stop.
Millicent spot on.
Why is abuse so shameful? Why are we so afraid to talk about it? We are not afraid to talk about fires, murders, theft, kidnapping against children. But heaven forbid a poor child's abuse be disclosed. I think deep down it's our ingrained notions that well discipline is a family matter we don't want to come between a parent's right to do as they see fit, that's too uncomfortable. It shouldn't be.
The very idea it should be kept quiet is exactly why children and others are so afraid to report it. The Sandusky tragedy should be plenty lesson enough to understand exactly what a culture of shame about abuse has done. Do you know how much those boys and their families wish someone, anyone had blown that whole thing wide open years ago?
It should not be a shameful thing and I hope someday no child should feel any fear whatsoever at telling an adult something is wrong.
Throwing Tomatoes, I agree with you about the pain that doesn't go away. It is the lessons of worthlessness that abuse teaches its victims that lingers and lingers; the messages of being unloveable and not worth protecting are really hard to unlearn.
Vanessa, it is horrifying to think of all the witnesses to the G8's abuse, isn't it? and that it was tolerated because there was a show to film and money to be made. There stands Kate, spanker in hand, an entire film crew, including a producer and nannies present, and she just goes to town on those kids, trusting that they'll edit out the really bad stuff, and she still has a paycheck on the way. They didn't just let her get away with it, they rewarded her for it.
Down the road, when the kids are ready to deal with this stuff, I believe it will be cathartic for them to realize that not everyone was okay with TFW's treatment of them. Like I said in previous post, just having one person validate me was enormously instrumental in fixing what my abuser had broken.
we are talking about. People have been talking about this for years. it is already out there. the authorities know, the divorce judge knows, CPS knows and everyone involved with them know.
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And we still need to keep talking. We keep hearing about the Dionne Quints, Christina Crawford, Cory Haime, Jackie Coogan, Corey Feldmen, alter boys....
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@bellefidele8684 @ashymama2 @Kateplusmy8 Dear God what in the world is an explication? Sheeple speak is so gross
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Actually, it's a good word and was used in the correct context. It means to make something clear or clarify. Non-fans need to know what they are talking about before calling out sheeple. Otherwise, it makes the non-fans look rather clueless.
I'm surprised that a sheep knew the meaning of that word. Wonder of wonders.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 Let the chips fall where they may!! http://shar.es/zImeY They instigated this & relentlessly continued. Now they have 2pay!
I guess Milo's "come to Sunday meetins group" preaches the old "eye for an eye" and she takes it literally. She's out for blood.
TFW couldn't have waited a month? Or done it a month earlier? Who wants their kids to go to school facing crap like that their first day???
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I really think it was to get the paps out there at the bus stop. Everything she does is calculated.
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I also think that she will. Perhaps at first this was just a publicity stunt and she figured she could always withdraw the complaint. It's too late now. She's in way too far. She never counted on this backfiring as much as it has.
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I agree. She really stepped in it this time. She's been trying to refurbish her miserable reputation for the last few months, hoping that people would either never believe or forget what a tyrannical, abusive mother and vengeful ex-wife she is. She was building up to the Kate's Great Comeback Cookbook. It didn't work, it IS too late and nobody is that stupid (with the exception of her dwindling fan base).
Now she's got a public fight on her hands, which I find rather amusing because it was Jon who said "The worst thing you can do in the media? Defend yourself."
Ha!
They need to have what's left of their childhood SAVED, not just getting to live in in privacy. Period. SHE's the one who isn't shutting up.
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Fans don't give a tinker's darn about those kids. They've made that quite clear. It's all about Kate and revenge. What fools those sheeple be, and to think that many of them are parents.
The Sandusky tragedy should be plenty lesson enough to understand exactly what a culture of shame about abuse has done.
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And a culture of doing anything to keep the $ rolling in. Turn a blind eye and then hope it goes away, blows over until the next story takes front page
Why is abuse so shameful? Why are we so afraid to talk about it?
I think our reluctance to address the issue openly has much to do with huge discrepancies in opinion about what it is that distinguishes "discipline" from "abuse." It's a socio-cultural divide we don't feel comfortable crossing. More's the pity.
To Let's Throw Tomatoes, LeeLee, Vanessa and others who have shared their real life stories - thank you for trusting us enough to share. My heart aches for what you endured, but I am thankful to know that you survived, that you broke the cycle, and are determined to create the kind of life you want for yourselves.
I hope your real life experiences will help clear up the question of whether any fleeting moments of embarrassment would be worth having the abuse exposed or not.
You don't get to open that door then cry to stop talking about it.
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Exactly. You don't get to fling open a door as far as she has and only let in what you want to let in. When the door is wide open, all of those waiting outside will try to enter, even if they don't have an invitation.
This is exactly what she has done. Put it out there for discussion/criticism, and cries because she doesn't like what's being said.
I think child abuse should be outed.
My youngest nephew was being hit and pinched by my brother'ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend.
My nephew was being hit so bad he had a bruise so I ask him.
who did it he told me and I went took him to the police and hospital. I called CPS made a report on her and her BF.
She was pissed but the court made her get help. DO I regret turning her in no.
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Apparently, Kate's actions do not rise to the level of abuse that would revoke her custody, or even require supervision.
...Where I disagree, is that I believe that more harm then good will come of the public thrashing this out. The time will come when the kids will deal with this in their own way, and for those who choose, privately. Because, exactly like filming their lives, they have no voice in this. I want them to have privacy and the chance to have what is left of their childhood.
...I guess that nothing short of a public tar and feathering will satisfy some people.
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As to the first sentence - I think CPS was never able to find or prove serious abuse. What they suspected might be true vs. what they could prove to be true are two different things. So far, no broken bones, noses, jaws, etc.
As to the second point - fair enough. We agree to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect your even though it differs from mine. However, if I were undecided, I would give more weight to those who have lived with abuse. On that score, it seems the majority would have wanted the abuse exposed, and if that meant publicly, on the local news or otherwise, so be it. It would be preferable to having to endure the abuse until reaching adulthood.
As to the final comment - I am respectful of your opinion. I wish you were as respectful of those that disagree with you. Instead, you have painted us as vengeful people, wanting to see Kate "tarred and feathered." Do you see why that might make it hard for me to fairly consider your opinions, when I know you think so little of those that disagree with yours?
Tucker's Mom - sorry, I meant to respond to your question the other day. We are pretty much on our own but I do take him to the hospital twice a week for physio. He calls them physio-terrorists. haha! Hopefully he will be walking again before the snow flies.
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Hi Auntie Ann!
Wow, I am so far behind!
Oh, peeshaw! I've been called a Physical Terrorist and a Physical Throwupist. Keep pushing through!
I'm wondering if Kate is even aware that this lawsuit has backfired on her. She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Is she even truly aware of how many people despise her? As long as she has just one person telling her she's all that and a bag of chips, that's all that matters to her. She can go on feeling superior and right in any situation. I'm amazed that she hasn't learned a damn thing after all this time. It's the same mistakes over and over. I believe that's the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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In reply to the many requests to comment on the recent lawsuit filed on my behalf http://shar.es/zImeY via @sharethis A classy response!
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So now we know what, in Milo's world, defines "classy." Speaks volumes.
"Repeatedly" breaking the law? What is Milo talking about? No matter which account you believe they all seem to agree on one thing: this all happened on ONE DAY. It was a one time incident. There's no repeatedly about it. Surely a hard drive can't have cost as much as getting your wedding band stolen.
Shouldn't she be busy listening to the children about their second day of school and spending what little time she has with them instead of manically writing more incriminating blog posts?
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She wrote a single blog post. The one writing manically yesterday was you.
Millicent I think there's a credibility problem too when an article was posted yesterday trashing Jon but ex nurse posted it as if it trashed Kate and claimed not to notice 90% of it was ranting against Jon.
Respectfully I found that suspicious. I have no problem being alerted to that article but I didn't understand why it was framed in such a misleading way.
Admin, by "repeatedly breaking the law" I think Milo is talking about those gosh darn haters who have an opinion. The fans have spoken of the nonfans as being criminals many times. Just what law they broke is something the fans can never quite put their finger on.
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When I removed all the unnecessary wordage from Kate's statement what remained were 3 points:
1-What started out as a mission to find the source(s) of excessive internet bullying and hate directed towards me ..... has ended with the filling of this lawsuit.
2-.....the investigation to identify the source and those responsible for orchestrating this barrage of hate for their own financial gain, has ended where it has and with the individuals named in the court documents.
3-At the beginning of this investigation I made the decision to take legal action against those found to be responsible and see no reason to change this decision now that the investigation has revealed those responsible are unfortunately so close to home.
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Everything above is exactly what BV has been tweeting about since last April. Very early on he hinted that RH and his wife posted on RWA. He also hinted that a "hate blog" was benefiting financially in some way.
This is what he told ROL on April 5:
But right as the book resurfaces, McGibney, owner ofbullville.com, tells Radar he will prove Jon schemed with Hoffman to profit off “lies” and “deceit” about Kate.
“I’m going after Jon , a lawyer involved in this and Hoffman,” McGibney told Radar exclusively.
"Jon Gosselin & Author Linked In Scheme To Spread Lies About Kate Gosselin For Profit –Anti-Bullying Activist Vows To Expose Money Trail" Proof here:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/04/jon-gosselin-linked-robert-hoffman-book-author-profit-lies-kate-gosselin-charges-activist/
This is how Kate, Razamatazz and McGiblets are linking it all together:
From the lawsuit--
#31-In reality Hoffman, Gosselin and Does 1-20, hacking in concert and on one another's behalf, hacked into Kate Gosselin's various accounts and disseminated the illegally obtained information.
#37-On information and belief Defendants Hoffman, Jon Gosselin and Does 1-20 illegally accessed Kate's computer's confidential data and then conspired among each other to spread false, defamatory and unflattering information about Kate Gosselin for the purpose of profiting from the book and the tabloid publications.
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On March 5, 2013 from ROL:
“Kate has been shopping her lawsuit around to various law firms, but no one is interested in taking her on because she has no actual evidence to support her case!”
"Kate Gosselin Strikes Back! Dragging Jon To Court, She Wants Him Jailed Over Tell-All Book" here:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/03/kate-gosselin-strikes-back-dragging-jon-to-court-she-wants-him-jailed-over-tell-all-book/
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In a mere one month's time (from Mar. 5 - April 5) Kate discovered BV (or he discovered her) and he uncovered a giant conspiracy for monetary gain involving RH, Jon and 1-20 Does and a lawsuit was filed including them all in one, nice and neat and tidy.
RWA didn't officially close until June 7. Where did BV collect all this information in such a short period of time? And are the Does known or unknown?
Item #4 of the lawsuit states that the John/Jane Does are individuals whose names and addresses are unknown.
Item #8 of the lawsuit states that ALL of the parties reside in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
Kate said they're all close to home.
Inquiring minds want to know.
It seems to me when she filed the lawsuit, for the first 24-36 hours anyway, the mainstream media had it all covered; not so much the following day; after all there are other things going on in the world, the events in Syria being the major concern.
By issuing this outrageous statement linking bullying to her lawsuit, she hopes to get what she craves most more attention from the press. She has timed it just before a long weekend too. I'm not convinced the press are going to be as concerned about her feelings as they are about the outcome of the crisis in the middle east. But again, what does that matter to her, after all that she sees herself going through.
I just can't see how her statement is going to help her lawsuit - the Judge will be scratching his head.
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@Kateplusmy8 I don't understand folks who expect U 2just "look the other way"...just "take the abuse"!! Ur kids were being hurt as well!
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The kids were being hurt as well? I thought they were happy happy happy well adjusted under TFW's loving care and skipped and squealed with delight over every meal and just over daily life because it was so wonderful?
First off, I was abused as a child--and, I worked with abused children on a psychiatric unit. So, please don't speak for me. I respect that others who have gone through this feel differently, and honestly, I don't understand that people can't see that I agree with 95% of what has been said. This is about this last 5% that separate private and public. I distinguish private from secret, which I agree should never happen. For this family, it is no longer a secret.
In my own parenting, I broke that cycle of generational abuse. Sometimes, that is the victory that comes from survivors of abuse. And, for future generations, that is a huge victory.
I believe this harms the children because their mother will not go down alone--Jon will go with her. The more that comes out about her, the more questions there will be about Jon and his behavior in that period of time. He will be smeared again--he is not going to come out of this unscathed. His life was a sordid train wreck during this time--this will be dredged up.
These children's lives must be a living hell. The media circus does not move these kids in the direction of healing that I want for every victim of abuse. I think it is easy to be blinded by hatred and the natural feeling that this woman suffer the consequences for her abuse. But, I am saying that, for this to happen, Jon will most likely not emerge from this without further damage to his ability to provide the stable and loving home for his children. How does any of this further that goal?
My heart breaks for everyone who shares their story here. Out of respect for them, I will not comment on this any more. If people here cannot understand, so be it. And, I ask that people here stop characterizing my statements as being somehow pro-secrecy. privacy is not secrecy.
On that score, it seems the majority would have wanted the abuse exposed, and if that meant publicly, on the local news or otherwise, so be it. It would be preferable to having to endure the abuse until reaching adulthood.
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I wonder if any studies have been done on those who were abused as kids, getting it out in the open when it happened, or immediately thereafter, as opposed to those who kept all of that bottled up inside of them and waiting until they were adults to finally reveal that they had been abused.
What is the opinion of psychologists on this issue?
"I don't think there is a need to worry about the kids finding out about the lawsuit from people at school or on the internet. I believe their lunatic, histrionic, 'I am victim' parental unit has probably already told them all about it."
No doubt. It's interesting how people tend to assume by default that she functions like a normal parent would, shielding her kids from things that might harm them emotionally. This is Kate we're talking about--the person who told her kids outright, "your father doesn't care about your safety." And this was when they were still together! Can you even imagine what she might say now that she obviously hates him so much?
I also don't believe she'll pull the suit. Backing down just doesn't fit her personality or mental illness, and it doesn't fit anything we've seen her do before. She just has to win at all costs. The irony is her complaint about others ruining her reputation when she's putting the nail in her own coffin with her very own actions.
...I guess that nothing short of a public tar and feathering will satisfy some people.
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I think that most of the people here would disagree with that. Many have said over and over again that they wish Kate would seek help, get therapy and move on from this grudge she's holding so many years. I don't want to see her tarred and feathered. The point is, people who post here have repeatedly said that what concerns them is the effect all of this has on the children. Considering that, what would be the point in wanting her tarred and feathered? Nothing would be solved by doing that, and no good would ever come of it. She needs professional help -- not a public flogging.
No Excuse 4 Abuse
IIRC 2 other books about Jon & Kate Gosselin were published BEFORE the one by Robert Hoffman and both authors are PA residents w/blogs.
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Has it been suggested that Polly and Al might be two of the John Doe defendants because of their PA residency?
I can't keep up with all of this!
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Vanessa, it is horrifying to think of all the witnesses to the G8's abuse, isn't it? and that it was tolerated because there was a show to film and money to be made.
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I think that's why I'm so frustrated at the rationale that this should NOT be covered by the media, be it tabloids or not.
This is HUUUGE. For God's sake their was member of a pedophile ring in their midst. Without exposing this, those kids are RE-victimized. She's the adult here who is able to defend herself and tell her side of the story. She had high priced lawyers protecting HER reputation and their "product". To hell with the kids! She's the adult who signed her kids lives away for a buck. SHE GETS TO SPEAK AND THEY DON'T?! It' like hitting my head against a brick wall
I'm pretty sure Kate's attorney would have advised her to keep her mouth shut. The time to speak is in court and through your attorney. Also, if a lawyer had helped draft that, he wouldn't have written, "In reply to". Intelligent attorneys know the word would be response not reply.
Also, this investigation Kate wrote about means she's pretty much admitting that every nasty thing BV did to people was at her direction. She'll be lucky if she doesn't face 20 countersuits. That was unbelievably dumb and no attorney would advise her to admit it. Legally, there was no reason to make that statement. It was all about ego and that's why I think it was cooked up between TFMJG and BV.
Admin, when this was filed in Federal court I had a feeling she would try to involve her detractors in this. Can she really compel someone to travel across the country to defend themselves? This will involve depositions, trial, an out of state attorney, travel and hotel expenses. Is this really feasible for a nonsense suit involving things that took place in Pennsylvania?
I hope your real life experiences will help clear up the question of whether any fleeting moments of embarrassment would be worth having the abuse exposed or not.
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Thank you Millicent. There is still shame, always will be. To this day my mother (very very much like tfw) goes on and on about how hard her life was with my father, never ONCE acknowledging our miserable childhoods. SHE was the only victim. What we endured was worse than what she endured, but she'll never ever see it that way. WE were the children.We never spoke outside of the family what life was really like and THERE is why we couldn't be helped. The Gosselin kids' have a voice through exposure.
There stands Kate, spanker in hand, an entire film crew, including a producer and nannies present, and she just goes to town on those kids, trusting that they'll edit out the really bad stuff, and she still has a paycheck on the way.
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Great point! Most abuse happens WITHOUT witnesses.
Tweetle, I appreciate how you put that all together. The lawsuit is still as clear as mud, but the timeline helped to sort out their insanity.
Ducking here - but I do want to see her tarred and feathered!
Thank you RealityTV Admin for having this site. I don't know how Kate can think Jon, Robert and a few others have ruined her reputation when Hollywood hasn't been banging down her door to make her a star she thinks she is already.
Kate just doesn't have any kind of talent. Why would Hollywood want anything to do with her.
"The kids were being hurt as well? I thought they were happy happy happy well adjusted under TFW's loving care and skipped and squealed with delight over every meal and just over daily life because it was so wonderful?"
No, no, no. Don't you get it? Everything that Kate has ever done for them and every decision she has ever made from them has resulted in squeals of delight and happy, well-adjusted kids. It's only *Jon's* actions that have damaged them; it's only *Jon* she needs to protect them from. ;) There are few people in the world more delusional than she is, I think.
Ducking here - but I do want to see her tarred and feathered!
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Nice pun, pink bitchy! LOL!!
Sherry Baby:
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Has it been suggested that Polly and Al might be two of the John Doe defendants because of their PA residency?
I can't keep up with all of this!
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All I can say is that it is usual practice when filing a lawsuit, to include Doe defendants. If you already know the names of anyone you think should be included in the lawsuit, you should name them in the complaint. It's easier than having to file an amendment to name them later on.
So since Al and Polly Walentis are "known", or should be known to Kate as the plaintiff, and if she and her attorney thought they had a cause of action against them, they ought to have already been named.
The reason for Doe defendants is if some unknown parties are discovered as the lawsuit progresses. If I get hit by another driver, and I sue him, then I later learn that someone else owned the vehicle - I would then add that person's name to the lawsuit. I didn't know it when I filed the lawsuit, but I learned it during discovery.
Anyways - time will tell if Kate's attorneys are going to name any other defendants.
Can she really compel someone to travel across the country to defend themselves? This will involve depositions, trial, an out of state attorney, travel and hotel expenses. Is this really feasible for a nonsense suit involving things that took place in Pennsylvania?
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Supposedly, the defendants, also known as John Does, are from PA if this is the case that she's filed against Jon and Robert. In the class action suit, I would imagine they come from everywhere, but is Kate involved in that also?
I am so out of the loop here. What attorneys are handling that case...if indeed there are two separate cases?
History's biggest publicity disasters.....The Titanic. Major publicity and then it sank. Hmmm sounds a bit like Kate.
"Ducking here - but I do want to see her tarred and feathered!"
Me too. I also want to see TLC pay for their part too. Also want to know how the Blakenship thing went away so fast..wonder how much money passed through how many hands for that to happen?
Lisa has told her former posters that she did what she did to protect them - that Kate promised her no one from the blog would be sued if she gave up the IPs. It was supposedly all about finding out what Jon and Robert were writing on that blog. I don't believe Kate is a woman of her word and I think what Lisa did was stupid, but what I don't understand is what Kate thought she'd gain from this. That blog, at least for the past couple of years that I was aware of it, was about the fans. The fans would write nasty things on their blogs about the posters at RWA and RWA posters would respond. What did that have to do with Kate?
The fans who are cheering all of this on are too stupid to realize that it won't end with RWA. If this goes further, their blogs are going to be subpoenaed. The law hears both sides.
I don't understand how Kate was able to wrap her internet haters into a lawsuit about what happened in private at her house four years ago. It's not credible to say her internet haters were involved in hacking and computer theft. It's bizarre and confusing.
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I believe this harms the children because their mother will not go down alone--Jon will go with her. The more that comes out about her, the more questions there will be about Jon and his behavior in that period of time. He will be smeared again--he is not going to come out of this unscathed. His life was a sordid train wreck during this time--this will be dredged up.
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Well, again, that's your opinion. It's valid in that you own it, you believe it and plan to stand by it. Fair enough.
I am not sure if you are implying that Jon was abusive to the children, and that this abuse will come out, just as Kate's abuse will come out. If so, could you identify where you saw evidence of his abuse?
In all of the tv episodes I watched, I never got the impression that Jon was abusive to his children. In fact, I believe he was the buffer and when present, tried to re-direct Kate's ire away from the children as best he could. He took a lot of abuse at Kate's hands as well - both physical and verbal.
So where is the concept that Jon is just as guilty as Kate, just as "sordid", come from? I really don't get it.
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@Kateplusmy8 These people that revolve their entire lives around hurting you are sick.
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You just have to wonder why these fans can't see that since the divorce TFW has been out to get her ex, hell bent on making his life miserable. They can't understand that what she is doing to him is the same as what she is accusing the non-fans of doing to Kate.
Head banging on brick wall.
There is no class action suit.
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Millicent said...
I am not sure if you are implying that Jon was abusive to the children, and that this abuse will come out, just as Kate's abuse will come out. If so, could you identify where you saw evidence of his abuse?
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No, I have never thought that or seen other than normal frustrated responses from Jon, to frustrating situations all parents have--at least I have. I was referring to the other controversies swirling around him at that time. The last time I posted a string of stories that were reported around the time of that dark and stormy night, I was blasted for dredging it up. Anyone who wants to can filter google results for that week. If this is what this lawsuit is focused on, then those stories will be revived, and some of his exes may just be witnesses for the defense. Get the picture?
Admin--you actually made my point for me. If any of the kids want to tell their story, I think it would be extremely valuable and important.
I have not seen a single story that, after mentioning that the book detailed her abuses, centers on the topic of child abuse. It quickly slides into chortles and guffaws. Gratifying as that is, (and it is!), it doesn't help the kids. I can only imagine what the kids came home to that day--I don't think it was a zero dirty look day. I really do fear for their safety. TFW is one staircase descent from "I'm ready for my close up, Mr DeMille."
Ad at the bottom of the page "reduce stress and anxiety naturally with MoodBoost". Good advice!
Two of the best books I have ever read are about parenting. "Easy to Love, Difficult to Discipline" by Dr. Becky Bailey and "Becoming the Parent You Want to Be" by Laura Davis and Janis Keyser.
They both focus on viewing discipline as an opportunity to teach, rather than an opportunity to punish and seek physical retribution. Discipline using your mind and knowing how your child's mind is developing vs. disciplining w/ your emotions. Excellent reads.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 31
....And since I watched the show all by myself while waiting for the Bar results and never went on the internet to discuss it until much later, I formed my opinions about all this FIRST, by myself, with my only help being Kate HERSELF. The reason I sought out the internet in the first place is to see if anyone couldn't stand her as much as I did. It's not a chicken or egg argument. I know exactly what came first. I couldn't stand her FIRST, THEN I went to see if others felt the same. Bam! Robert or Jon had absolutely nothing to do with my opinions. Years later, the book simply confirmed them, that is all.
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Thank you ADMIN for stating exactly what I would post! Except I was not waiting for Bar results :)
I hope Kate's reads what Admin posted above.
And then reads it again and again.
Kate and only Kate caused the "public perception" that she claims is so "inaccurate and untrue". But it has been proven time and time again to be ACCURATE and TRUE. And her lawsuit just confirmed it again. People don't like Kate because of Kate's own actions and words.
BMG said... 98
Tweetle, I appreciate how you put that all together. The lawsuit is still as clear as mud, but the timeline helped to sort out their insanity.
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You're welcome BMG. I needed to get a timeline in my mind. I believe BV got information from someone else regarding the alleged plotting for financial gain by the DOES. I don't believe he could have come up with that in a month. He didn't even have access to the RWA blog until early June. Someone fed him information and I don't think he necessarily verified that information.
I was referring to the other controversies swirling around him at that time.
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Oh, okay. Thank you for the clarification.
Admin, found this definition online, can you clarify or expand on the use of Jane and John Doe in a lawsuit?
"Naming fictitious defendants stops the statute of limitations (the time in which a party has to file a lawsuit) from running out even though the true name is not yet known. Sometimes during the investigation or discovery (taking depositions or asking written questions under oath) new information about a potential defendant is found and the real name substituted. Then that person is served with a summons and complaint. If no substitution of a real name for a Doe has been made by the time of trial, usually the fictitious defendants are then dismissed from the case since they never existed in the first place, and the case continues against the named defendants. Fictitious defendants are not permitted in federal cases." From Free Dictionary - Legal.
Who here thinks that the cook book will get canceled now? I think it will but I'm not sure, would the publisher cancel over this?
That explanation makes perfect sense to me but I never deal with the doe a deer a female deer in my practice so I have zero experience to draw from. I think it's Millicent who had some good insight earlier. Mill?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 By going ahead w/this > http://shar.es/zImeY Kate is setting an example 4her kids...handling wrongs of other legally!
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Good lord. She's nuts! Sure, Milo, in a litigious society, teach your kids that if you don't like something that someone has done, head to an attorney with "Can I sue?" Follow in Mom's footsteps. Great example she's set there.
It may backfire, Milo. Those kids may well realize that they have been wronged and Kate might be on the other end of a lawsuit that those children might file one day.
If Kate were convicted of a DUI and the other person was seriously injured would Milo say that it was the other person's fault because they should have stayed out of Kate's way?
"Fictitious defendants are not permitted in federal cases"
Interesting. I still think this case will be tossed by the judge.
Anyone who wants to can filter google results for that week. If this is what this lawsuit is focused on, then those stories will be revived, and some of his exes may just be witnesses for the defense. Get the picture?
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Why do your comments tend to be condescending toward other posters? I seem to remember where you responded to other posters that they needed to tone it down if they wanted to continue to post, and I don't recall anything objectionable being said by those people in their posts.
People here are expressing opinions and some may need clarification because something said may not be fully understand. That's no reason to take the attitude that they are too clueless to comprehend what someone is trying to say.
Ex Nurse said... 153
''.......To those who were raised in abuse, what do you think it would be like to have it published in a book and plastered in the media? And, to start school with your teachers and classmates knowing about it , and sordid details of their lives. I just can't see how this is in the best interest of the kids.''
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Ex Nurse, as I said in my comment to another abused poster, in MY life, people DID know. Everyone knew. NO ONE did one single thing about it. THAT is what scarred me the most. I'm basing my comments about the Gosselin children on what I felt/endured during MY childhood. Having their mother despised for abusing them will, in my opinion, be something that they will be able to see later in their life, and know that at least a LOT of people cared and worried about them. I wish I could look back and find that someone worried about me.
I say this even as a lawyer, all methods of conflict resolution should always be given a sincere effort before ever resorting to a lawsuit. Lawsuits are expensive and stressful and studies show do very little to satisfy you. It's very sad that anyone would list a lawsuit first when trying to resolve a dispute.
Luke's Mom said...
Thank you ADMIN for stating exactly what I would post! Except I was not waiting for Bar results :)
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I came here after my wool was sheared. At first I thought the show was cute. Parents managing to get through their days with 8 little kids, no harm in that. Sure she was bitchy, who wouldn't be with that many kids, I'd be a little harried too. I even defended her on some discussion board. As time went on she was beaking on Jon more and more and it became really apparent she wasn't a kind or gentle mother to her children. She was a spoiled brat. I don't know if I can pinpoint the day I realized she had morphed into a wolverine but thanks to the internet I discovered I wasn't the only one who found her offensive. I'm so glad I found this place.
As someone who has assisted @Bullyville in locating some
of the "Doe's" I can assure you their identities are indeed known. 57
Acknowledgment of bullyville's involvement.
I'm wondering if Kate is even aware that this lawsuit has backfired on her 80
I'm sure that she's aware that the media is talking about her but not
INTERVIEWING her.
By issuing this outrageous statement linking bullying to her lawsuit,
she hopes to get what she craves most more attention from the press.
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Desperate times, desperate measures.
I think she really expected hordes of paps at the bus stop and to be
making the rounds of the talk shows.
Nurse said,
"The more that comes out about her, the more questions there will be about Jon and his behavior in that period of time."
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What behavior? His getting an apartment in New York? His running around with women? I really don't think that this lawsuit has anything to do with his "behavior" post-divorce. How would that be admitted into evidence? As far as we can tell, there is nothing in the complaint alleging that he was boozing and chasing after anything in a skirt.
vanda isabel rodrigu @vanda_isabel 12m
@Kateplusmy8 love d way u save money. How can i buy yr book in portugal?
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LOL!! Save your money and get the recipes off the internet!
I have been reading here a long time and respect all the opinions stated.
The latest debate over abuse and silence brought to mind a statement by Martin Luther King: "Our live begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Abuse, no matter the form, thrives on silence
I noticed fairly quickly that Kate wasn't "tender" with her children.
There is one episode where she feeding the toddler tups. In the interest of efficiency, she is shoving the spoon into their mouths. They would tip their heads backward to offset the force of her spoonful of food.
There is another scene where she is brushing a toddler's wispy, short hair. (I believe she is railing at Jon at the same time.) She is yanking the brush and tearing at the tiny head.
There wasn't much of a lag between noticing the roughness to observing the meanness.
My dis-enchantment with Kate was a fast slide down a muddy slope.
Mine came with the gddamn Korean dinner eppy, my husband used to watch with me. Cuz they were a young family who looked like us, but after that episode, the show was banned in the house and that's when I found this website, moons website and all the others. Those kids, by having a racist mother will have racial identity issues with all the other issues they will have.
thuvia said... 129
I have been reading here a long time and respect all the opinions stated.
The latest debate over abuse and silence brought to mind a statement by Martin Luther King: "Our live begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." Abuse, no matter the form, thrives on silence
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That quote sums it up Thank You :)
There is one episode where she feeding the toddler tups. In the interest of efficiency, she is shoving the spoon into their mouths. They would tip their heads backward to offset the force of her spoonful of food.
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I remember the ice cream episode in New York City when she shoved the cup of ice cream in the face of one of the boys with such force that he yanked his head back. My jaw dropped open in disbelief.
And, to start school with your teachers and classmates knowing about it , and sordid details of their lives. I just can't see how this is in the best interest of the kids.''
SHE filed the darn lawsuit and it coincided with the beginning of school. It's been all over the internet and on prime time television. Whose fault is that? Jon's?
Born Blue @ziletrezo 12m
@glassridges @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 @Captien_Obvious Yes Defendant Doe #13 is Psycho Selene
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Who in the world is Selene? Have the doe a deers been named? I can't keep up with these "haters." The Twitter people all seem to know each other! LOL!
I remember liking them when I first started watching the first season, and then after a couple episodes, I googled "Kate Gosselin is a bitch" and found GWOP, Preesi's, and Moon's site.
FWIW Ex Nurse, I agree with you. 100%.
I am just half way reading these posts, but had to say my peace. I agree so much with LeeLee and Vanessa, I would have given anything for someone to find out I was being abused, and had the abuse stopped!! Not hidden behind a curtain!!
I also wonder just how many of us abused children grew up and married abusive men, because we don't feel like we deserve any better?
Selene is @MissAnonNews. There are a lot of BV wannabes who make up stuff about the lawsuit with no basis in fact. They are trying to intimidate and scare people with their inside information but they know nothing.
Shelby said... 137
FWIW Ex Nurse, I agree with you. 100%.
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Me too, but for some reason my posts saying so aren't going through
Publicity disasters...how about the Hindenburg? Oh the humanity! Not far from here in Lakehurst NJ
I had no idea Ricky Lake had a show again but it was on at the gym this afternoon. Wouldn't you know it the topic was abused children who grow up to be troubled teens. Ricky herself said she was molested as a child and was so relieved when she could finally say that. She talked a great deal about the shame she felt, the shame to keep it a secret.
The panel universally said it was a weight off their shoulders when the abuse was exposed. One man even said before anyone knew about the abuse he felt like he was living in a terrible dark world. Once it finally came out everything was light and bright and he didn't feel alone anymore.
I thought that was so telling they were all saying that in light of today's discussion.
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My first witnesses: Nannies 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1
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...followed by the TLC film crew
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And then followed by STEVE!
Wouldn't that be hysterical?
Jon should subpoena Steve as his witness..."tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth"....
Steve is probably the one person who knows all of Kate's secrets. And he would have to spill it all if asked in depositions or on the stand.
I googled "Kate Gosselin is a bitch" and found GWOP, Preesi's, and Moon's site.
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Sounds like Google really was batting 1,000 with that search.
In reading up, there are cases where you can sue a fictitious defendant in federal court but it's supposed to be a matter of not being sure of someone's name, not for a fishing expedition during discovery.
My money is on it being tossed by the judge.
SHE filed the darn lawsuit
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Exactly. She filed it. It's not like this suddenly hit the airwaves for no reason. Talk about shooting the messenger. I rarely buy into the cop out blaming the media for various things the public talks about. I prefer to blame the people who started what they're talking about in the first place. In this case that would be TFW.
I still find her comment odd about how she sees no reason not to continue to go forward with this. She was responding to someone with that. If you go to all the trouble to file a lawsuit spending so much of your children's money to do so, I would assume you'd go through with it. It definitely makes me think that at some point it's been proposed to her that perhaps she should withdraw it. The plot thickens!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 142
''....The panel universally said it was a weight off their shoulders when the abuse was exposed. One man even said before anyone knew about the abuse he felt like he was living in a terrible dark world. Once it finally came out everything was light and bright and he didn't feel alone anymore.''
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I keep thinking about the saying ''you're only as sick as your secrets''
If it weren't for the overwhelming stories about how relieved kids are to go public with their abuse and how many of them over and over are relieved to speak publicly about it, even very private people (Duggard, Elizabeth Smart), I doubt i would feel the way I do. These kids have made it clear: they're okay with it. In fact, they PREFER it be public.
BV is busy tweeting taunts and threats. He has so much hatred inside and how long has he known of Kate, her twitter, etc...5 months?
Many of the fans and non-fans on Twitter don't seem to understand that this is not a libel lawsuit against Jon, Robert, or the John/Jane Does. I know that the lawsuit is confusing, made even more so by her statement trying to tie the bullying into the complaint against Robert and Jon, but this is not a defamation suit. Is it? ;-)
On a funny note about publicity disasters, who remembers the tv show WKRP in Cincinnati and the time they dropped live turkeys from a chopper for Thanksgiving. I thought of this when I first read the title of this new post. Here's the "live report"
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Their tragic "last flight" was relayed to WKRP listeners by reporter Les Nessman, played by Richard Sanders:
"It's a helicopter, and it's coming this way. It's flying something behind it, I can't quite make it out, it's a large banner and it says, uh - Happy... Thaaaaanksss... giving! ... From ... W ... K ... R... P!! No parachutes yet. Can't be skydivers... I can't tell just yet what they are, but - Oh my God, Johnny, they're turkeys!! Johnny, can you get this? Oh, they're plunging to the earth right in front of our eyes! One just went through the windshield of a parked car! Oh, the humanity! The turkeys are hitting the ground like sacks of wet cement! Not since the Hindenburg tragedy has there been anything like this!"
Luke's Mom said... 143
What would be more funnier if Steve gave Robert the disks or better yet Gina did.
pink bitchy pants said... 99
Ducking here - but I do want to see her tarred and feathered!
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Actually, I would, too. I just really don't want what I see as an inevitable rehash of that period of time--it is a tragedy. Actually, the modern day equivalent of that would be her having to walk around with a big sign that says "I am a child abuser". As far as I am concerned, the abuse, and the details are out there for anyone to see. Portions of the book were copy and pasted in this blog and discussed in detail. Anyway, I am in complete agreement that Kate should drop this suit.
On a different note, I don't think that the media is going to cover this story, since, with very few exceptions, they were complicit in giving her a platform, and allowed her to dictate the terms. Is the View in reruns--seems like they would be all over this. But, maybe not, since Barbara Walters was an epic fail in her judgement of Kate as 'fascinating'.
Many of the fans and non-fans on Twitter don't seem to understand that this is not a libel lawsuit against Jon, Robert, or the John/Jane Does. I know that the lawsuit is confusing, made even more so by her statement trying to tie the bullying into the complaint against Robert and Jon, but this is not a defamation suit. Is it? ;-)
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No of course not. Has nothing to do with that. However I'm starting to feel like giving them a pass. She has completely confused them and deliberately mislead them into thinking this is exactly what she promised them all along (even though it's only about getting Jon and she just used them to get Jon and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with helping THEM with anything.) Poor things. If you can't really get through their opening brief/complaint due to time or just difficulty understanding it, I can see how anyone could get very confused.
Maybe this is silly but I feel TERRIBLE for those turkeys. I assume they died. That's awful they must have been so confused.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 149
BV is busy tweeting taunts and threats. He has so much hatred inside and how long has he known of Kate, her twitter, etc...5 months?
August 30, 2013 at 6:07 PM
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Did I miss something? I didn't see where he mentioned anything to do with Kate or the Twitter "wars".
This guy has been tweeting his article to TFMJG's timeline this weekend. She has to prove a $5,000 loss on the CFAA and he believes she can't meet that requirement to go to trial.
http://shawnetuma.com/2013/08/29/kate-gosselin-sues-jon-gosselin-for-violating-the-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act-did-she-adequately-plead-a-loss/
Sorry I need to learn how to make links clickable.
I don't know who this guy is, but he's put this on his blog regarding Kate's lawsuit:
The Unauthorized Access Allegations
Specifically, the Complaint alleges that following unauthorized accesses occurred after their separation: (1) Jon accessed Kate’s password-protected e-mail account without her authorization, (2) accessed her password-protected online banking accounts without her authorization, (3) accessed her password-protected cell phone without her authorization, and (4) stole a hard drive from her home (though it does not allege he actually accessed the hard drive, only took possession of it). The Complaint asserts a claim pursuant to section 1030(a)(2) which is the broadest, most easily pleaded (and proven) claim under the CFAA and these allegations will likely get this claim past the motion to dismiss stage.
But is There a Loss?
The major problem that I see, however, is their efforts to plead the required “loss”, without which the Complaint will be subject to mandatory dismissal. Specifically, the effort to plead the “loss” states:
“Defendants accessed Kate Gosselin’s computer and computer services without authority to do so and in doing so, caused in excess of $5,000 worth of damage.”
As readers of this blog know, I have stated many times that the “loss” issue is one of the top two most misunderstood issues dealing with the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and one that confuses lawyers and judges alike....
Causing damage is typically not considered to be a “loss” unless there is an interruption of service allegation, which is not there. A loss is typically a “cost” incurred and this description does not get there. I anticipate that this issue could cause some problems for this claim
Kate Gosselin Sues Jon Gosselin for Violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act–Did She Adequately Plead a “Loss”?
http://shawnetuma.com/2013/08/29/kate-gosselin-sues-jon-gosselin-for-violating-the-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act-did-she-adequately-plead-a-loss/
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly". #classic
I am not sure if you are implying that Jon was abusive to the children, and that this abuse will come out, just as Kate's abuse will come out. If so, could you identify where you saw evidence of his abuse?
He was physically PRESENT when Kate used her 'spanker'. That alone speaks volumes. Jon's not innocent in this.
Flo great article. That is written by a business attorney who is very well versed in the Computer and Fraud Abuse Act. He believes there are deficiencies in the damages component (read it, he explains it) and that for that reason the challenge should be thrown out.
This guy has absolutely NO DOG in this fight, he is simply an expert in this area seeking to provide some helpful commentary on a current situation. Robert and Jon should show it to their attorneys.
It is not meant to be cocky, it is not meant to not take this seriously, however based on what he is saying as well as many other problems that we have found with this suit, my money is on this not going anywhere. I think it was filed to prove a point (I guess, push me and I WILL sue???) and perhaps never was intended to seriously go all the way.
I also wonder just how many of us abused children grew up and married abusive men, because we don't feel like we deserve any better?
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My mom told me that her father my grandfather was verbally and physically abusive.
To her and my grandma and my aunts and uncles. My mom went on to marry my father who was an abusive drunk.
The only difference between my grand ma and my mom was my mother left the situation.
I once asked her why she married my dad and why did she put up with his behavior.
She told me that it was all she knew and it took her a long time to wise up.
In Kentucky, back in the early 2000's anyway, if you withdrew a filed lawsuit, the person you were going after could turn around and sue you for putting them through the turmoil of having a lawsuit against them. I was going to go after another person who was in collusion with
the thief/fraudulent person, but my lawyer told me I didn't have quite enough gotcha proof against the 2nd guy, so I'd better think long and hard about it. If I filed I'd better be willing to carry it through to the bitter end.
This may have nothing to do with Kate's case, but just saying filing lawsuits and then dropping them isn't a lark, at least in the state I'm most familiar with.
Ex Nurse, as I said in my comment to another abused poster, in MY life, people DID know. Everyone knew. NO ONE did one single thing about it. THAT is what scarred me the most.
Remona Blue, all due respect but Jon did nothing either. Yet you defend him. He EVENTUALLY decided to stop filming but he never said it was because Kate abused his kids. And he was THERE.
I just can't give Jon the pass that others seem to.
chefsummer, it's so tragic that your mom was like so many other victims of abuse - it's all she knew so she married the same kind of man.
I'm afraid the G boys will only know abuse from women and will end up married to women like their mother. The girls though, know the love of a father and perhaps they will find kind men. I just hope they can be kind mothers.
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Ex Nurse, as I said in my comment to another abused poster, in MY life, people DID know. Everyone knew. NO ONE did one single thing about it. THAT is what scarred me the most.
Remona Blue, all due respect but Jon did nothing either. Yet you defend him. He EVENTUALLY decided to stop filming but he never said it was because Kate abused his kids. And he was THERE.
I just can't give Jon the pass that others seem to.
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In one of the Dutch Wonderland clips, he grabs one of the tups roughly, and in the later episode where they are walking in the woods he snaps a stick and one of the tups looks terrified of him. I can't give him a pass either.
Malicious use of process is a tort.
Our system is not here to play games and "get" somebody. Your suits are supposed to, at a bare minimum, show good cause that you have met all the elements of the claims you are making before you file. If you want to "get" someone there are probably many ideas out there google could give you but the courts are not a good option.
What does this have to do with Jon getting a pass anyway? The abuse should come out. It's neither here nor there Jon's involvement. If he's involved, it should come out. If he wasn't, that should come out too. It has nothing to do with KATE trying to say that it's all a lie and has nothing to do with KATE trying to get him.
I am NO fan of Kate G but it's pretty easy to find the 5000 dollars in damages for a an individual. For example if she had to hire a tech company to ensure her accounts were now safe as it wouldn't be a part of her normal business practices like it would be for the companies outlined by the lawyer in that article.
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chefsummer, it's so tragic that your mom was like so many other victims of abuse - it's all she knew so she married the same kind of man.
I'm afraid the G boys will only know abuse from women and will end up married to women like their mother. The girls though, know the love of a father and perhaps they will find kind men. I just hope they can be kind mothers.
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It is very sad I give my mom props though she did leave my dad was I was a baby now at 25yrs old.
I never heard my mom say a nasty thing about him heck. She even refused to take a lot of CS cause of my half bros&sis.
Also as an adult I have forgiving my dad he was also. Horrible abused as a child and never go help.
Abuse is a sad cycle that needs to be stopped.
Yet you defend him. He EVENTUALLY decided to stop filming but he never said it was because Kate abused his kids. And he was THERE.
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Yes he did say that. Abuse is not only physical; there is emotional abuse as well and the reason he decided to stop filming was because he didn't want to put his kids out there and have their privacy comprised at every turn. She wanted to keep filming, and that was emotional abuse. In fact, he mentioned that he was sorry that he had agreed to have those cameras in their faces for the entertainment of pedophiles Jon recognized that there was emotional abuse and their childhoods were being lost due to being exploited on television and in the media. You're right. He was there, he saw it and he stopped it.
What behavior? His getting an apartment in New York? His running around with women? I really don't think that this lawsuit has anything to do with his "behavior" post-divorce. How would that be admitted into evidence? As far as we can tell, there is nothing in the complaint alleging that he was boozing and chasing after anything in a skirt.
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Nope, it's neither here nor there. It has nothing to do with what she's alleging and would be thrown out under a "relevance" objection.
I mentioned this before, a lot of people are bringing up information that really has no relevance to the actual allegations. It's understandable we're talking about every last bit of bad behavior that would come out, but the reality is very little of it is relevant to these particular allegations.
It actually is completely irrelevant who abused the children if anyone. Not to allegations of hacking and theft and stealing and so on. Hacking is hacking. Abuse has nothing to do with it.
You have to look at the elements of each allegation. Unless your evidence has direct bearing on either proving or disproving an element, it's completely irrelevant.
Kate's abuse is irrelevant, Jon's little missteps, dating some immature women and wearing some unfortunate t-shirts, is similarly utterly, completely irrelevant to these allegations.
I came here after my wool was sheared. A
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I thought that was rule 5 here for awhile, please come pre-sheared. I lost my scissors.
(3) accessed her password-protected cell phone without her authorization, and (4) stole a hard drive from her home (though it does not allege he actually accessed the hard drive, only took possession of it).
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How could he have damaged a computer if the disks that were thrown into the trash? I'm still trying to figure out if he is being accused of removing the hard drive from the computer, or if Robert is accused of going through trash. Wouldn't she have to prove that the computer hard drive was removed in order to prove damage to the computer? I would think it's a case of he said (Robert found the disks in the trash) vs. she said (Jon stole the hard drive). How is that going to be proven? There has to be a loss, and if Robert indeed found the disks in the trash, then the computer was undamaged and there is no loss.
In William and Kate news, they did their first public appearance together since George was born. They kicked off a marathon. They opted to leave George at home. He's a 5 week old baby, no reason to bring him out for the paps. This is their life, not his. Yet anyway. People are dying to see him again, but that's not their problem. I like them.
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly". #classic 159
Actually, wild turkeys can fly, at least short distances.
Speaking of WKRP, does anyone remember "Venus Flytrap explains the
atom" ? Also classic!
Rhymes With Witch said... 176
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly". #classic 159
Actually, wild turkeys can fly, at least short distances.
Speaking of WKRP, does anyone remember "Venus Flytrap explains the
atom" ? Also classic!
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No, but I grew up near Dayton and one of the characters, Les Nessman I think, was from Dayton and I loved this show.! Venus Flytrap was fly!
Ex-Nurse (88), Thank you for clarifying your position in this comment. When I first read your comment on victims not benefitting from having the sordid details of abuse publicized, I assumed you were speaking from a professional stand point more than from a personal one. Ideally, all of us would have the freedom to seek help and share our stories at our own pace. Every time I have shared my experience with other survivors, I am always amazed at how similarly we often feel and see ourselves in the world, even though the abuse is different for everyone. Yet, we are all individuals and need to set our own boundaries and parameters that keep us feeling safe and honors our own values.
I apologize if my comments sounded as if I was speaking for all victims, because I cannot know the heart and mind of anyone else. That was wrong of me. Privacy sounds like an important part of your coping strategy, while for me, I am more of a talker and feel less isolated, less broken and more connected with the rest of humanity when I can share my story and have others' trust me with theirs. You have reminded me that many victims who remain quiet do so for their own needs, and are not necessarily "suffering in silence". No disrespect intended.
Thanks to everyone who shared today and to all those who added their thoughts and opinions to the topic so respectfully. My hope is also that if the G8 ever decide to read our thoughts down the road, that they will find solace knowing people care. I certainly hope that they do not feel further pain if they perceive our discussions as a violation of their privacy.
Such serious conversations today. Where's Silimom with the next recipe review?
localyocul said... 166
''Remona Blue, all due respect but Jon did nothing either. Yet you defend him. He EVENTUALLY decided to stop filming but he never said it was because Kate abused his kids. And he was THERE.''..''I just can't give Jon the pass that others seem to.''
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Localyocul, you are assuming that Jon did nothing. We don't know for a fact that Jon did not report TFMJG's abuse of his children. You choose to believe that Jon did nothing, and I choose to believe that Jon would do all in his power to get his children away from her abuse.
Neither of us should forget that during the time that TFW was writing in her journal the details of what we found horrific abuse of her toddlers, they had film crews ''THERE'' just as Jon was. None of us have any idea how many people, how many times tried to do something about the abuse.
IF it seems to you that I'm giving Jon a pass, it would be because I base my opinion on the stark difference in the behavior of Jon and TFW that I saw with my own eyes as I watched that show.
OK, this is weird. I checked out WKRP IMBD and both Gordon Jump (Arthur) and Gary Sandy (Andy) were born in Dayton OH where I grew up. But I was born in Paterson NJ
Chefsummer (77), Just wanted to acknowledge your initiative with your nephew. He's lucky to have you for an auntie. Too many chefs may spoil the soup, but the world could use more like you!
In one of the Dutch Wonderland clips, he grabs one of the tups roughly, and in the later episode where they are walking in the woods he snaps a stick and one of the tups looks terrified of him. I can't give him a pass either.
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Snapping a stick is abuse? I think that's stretching it a bit.
But is There a Loss?
The major problem that I see, however, is their efforts to plead the required “loss”, without which the Complaint will be subject to mandatory dismissal. Specifically, the effort to plead the “loss” states:
“Defendants accessed Kate Gosselin’s computer and computer services without authority to do so and in doing so, caused in excess of $5,000 worth of damage.”
As readers of this blog know, I have stated many times that the “loss” issue is one of the top two most misunderstood issues dealing with the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and one that confuses lawyers and judges alike
http://shawnetuma.com/2013/08/29/kate-gosselin-sues-jon-gosselin-for-violating-the-computer-fraud-and-abuse-act-did-she-adequately-plead-a-loss/
I see BV has lots of pictures of the posters from RWA on his site, I never knew that posting pictures of people at a place like that was legal.
I keep remembering those photos of Jon with the kids...the one of him on the bench with his daughter; one of Hannah running to him when she got off the school bus; his child, at her birthday party, begging him not to leave again. the video of him with his kids in the van, crying because they didn't want to go back home to Kate. It's quite clear that he loves his children and that they love him. Those pictures/videos weren't staged for the media. They were from the heart.
Rhymes With Witch said... 176
Actually, wild turkeys can fly, at least short distances.
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Sorta like Kate's lawsuit.
sweetbren66
@Kateplusmy8 HI. am I going to see you next weekend ? At the race #YesICan ?? Our place we first met :)
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OUR place? Where we first met? Are they lovers? If that isn't enough to gag a maggot.
in the later episode where they are walking in the woods he snaps a stick and one of the tups looks terrified of him. I can't give him a pass either.
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I may have to look at the episode again, but as recall A. was slashing her stick around, causing danger to her siblings. Jon told her to stop, she did not. He took the stick from her and snapped it in half so it was of no danger to anyone anymore. She screamed bloody murder because her stick got broken. She didn't have a stick like her siblings anymore and probably thought Daddy was mean. But nobody got hurt by her waving it at people anymore. A meaner parent might have swatted her on the back of her legs with that same stick.
sweetbren66
@Kateplusmy8 HI. am I going to see you next weekend ? At the race #YesICan ?? Our place we first met :)
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If I were Kate, that would totally creep me out. I mean...big time.
I thought that was rule 5 here for awhile, please come pre-sheared. I lost my scissors.
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There's only a few strays left.
AuntieAnn -- you consistently provoke the most laughter with the fewest words!
Healthy wishes to you and your husband.
I thought that was rule 5 here for awhile, please come pre-sheared. I lost my scissors.
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There's only a few strays left.
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Can you tweeze them?
Rhymes With Witch said... 176
Actually, wild turkeys can fly, at least short distances.
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Sorta like Kate's lawsuit.
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I need a bottle of Wild Turkey to figure out this lawsuit.
LeeLee said... 181
Chefsummer (77), Just wanted to acknowledge your initiative with your nephew. He's lucky to have you for an auntie. Too many chefs may spoil the soup, but the world could use more like you!
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Thank you I didn't see him for a few weeks after I called cps.
But now I do see him he tells me everything is much better so I don't regret what I did.
Auntie Ann said...
There's only a few strays left.
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Hair or sheeple?
prairiemary said... 185
I see BV has lots of pictures of the posters from RWA on his site, I never knew that posting pictures of people at a place like that was legal.
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I think he got a lot off people's Facebook pages.
Aw Dmasy, thank you. I will share your message with my husband.
In turn, I want you to know I think you are the bedrock of wisdom here.
Just checked Kate's cookbook sales on NovelRank.com and she has only sold 453 to date: 391 in the US, 33 in UK, and 29 in Canada.
Assuming similar sales on the B&N website, that would be about only 900 books. In over 5 months!
Pathetic, especially considering her fans have let her know they bought multiple copies (one mentioned buying 6). And I believe that Kate herself has been buying them too in order to increase her sales.
In comparison, the PW (Ree Drummond) cookbook has sold 1841 copies in August - in one month! Kate barely has sold 1/2 that number in 5 months.
I hope Kate enjoys reading about this tonight. It's sad that she is going to spend so much of the kids money to print a cookbook that will just be stored away in her garage and basement.
Shelby said:
He was physically PRESENT when Kate used her 'spanker'. That alone speaks volumes. Jon's not innocent in this.
August 30, 2013 at 6:22 PM
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I understand your anger toward Jon. I agree that he did a number of things wrong. But I also know that a husband can be an abused spouse, just as much as a wife can. In this case, I believe Jon was an abused spouse and was under Kate's thumb for much of their marriage. She treated him pretty badly.
I think he was overwhelmed at suddenly becoming a father of 8; didn't know how they would make ends meet. Then they are presented with an opportunity to film and make money, make lots of money. It sounds ideal.
I think he should have stepped up much sooner; and protected those children better. However, I do not believe he participated in the abuse, condoned the abuse, or otherwise employed abusive methods toward his children. And I do give him credit for finally waking up to how bad the situation was, and doing his best (mediocre though it might be) to make things better for his children.
Again, it comes down to forgiveness, although Jon has done nothing to me that needs forgiving. But I am a person who believes in giving people another chance, who believes in redemption. I don't believe in holding someone forever guilty for actions (or lack of action) they did in the past --- if they are clearly turning a new page, making their best efforts to change, doing things right, etc.
So there's the difference. Some will never forgive Jon for things he did in the past. For me, I look at his actions since the divorce and how he is living his life now. I compare that to Kate. One of these two parents is sorry for how they contributed to this mess and the other is not. One has moved purposely back to normal life, to focusing on improving himself and being the best parent he can be, while the other has not. That's why I can give Jon "a pass," if you want to call it that. Because he's clearly sorry for the error of his ways. And even though he made some bad decisions, I believe he always loved his children and tried his best to be a good dad. I do not believe Kate ever loved her children, nor has she ever tried to put them first, sacrifice for them, endure media mudslinging and name calling, etc. She has always been and will always be solely interested in what benefits her.
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