This got us thinking, what are some other historical publicity stunts that backfired? Here are five of some of the biggest:
Aqua Teen terrorist attack.
O.J. Simpson,
In 2006, HarperCollins's thought it would be a good idea to publish a book written by O.J. entitled "If I Did It." Following the public's outrage, a big wig at the publishing company was fired and the project was scrapped.
A train wreck, literally.
In 1896, railroad companies decided to stage a controlled crash in Texas for publicity. With thousands of spectators watching, the trains collided head on as planned, but then unexpectedly exploded, killing three people and injuring countless others, including the event's photographer, who lost one of his eyes.
No Fly Zone.
In 2009, the Department of Defense flew Air Force One low over Manhattan to take some photos. The flight terrified many New Yorkers, causing "mayhem" as people who thought we were under attack again scrambled to evacuate. A White House aide resigned, authorities apologized and cancelled a similar photoshoot planned in D.C.
Please stop. Sincerely, Mr. President.
Harry Reichenbach was a big time press agent at the turn of the 20th century who promoted films like Return of Tarzan. He staged several outlandish publicity stunts, including a fake suicide, and a kidnapping to Mexico. His antics finally resulted in President Woodrow Wilson writing him a letter pleading with him to please stop his nonsense.
Where will Kate's blunder rank in history? Will Obama write to her asking her to please stop? Heh, never say never! What other publicity blunders would you add to this list?
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Yes, same here. That's exactly what mine were hanging on, too.
Then, Jon backs up the hard drive to disks, and plants them in the garbage for Robert. See, everyone is telling the truth. Robert found the disks in the garbage, so he can pass a lie detector test (assuming that was actually asked). And, Jon took a hard drive after they were separated.
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Ah, but that would fall flat if he were asked if he knew how they got there or who put them there, and Robert said he passed the test, and a question certainly would have been asked if Jon had anything at all to do with it. He couldn't have passed the test if he knew that Jon had planted them there for him to find.
I don't find that parody funny at all. I think it could be very hurtful to everyone, Kate included. This has gone too far.
I think Jon had something to do with something, but not what Kate thinks he did. Or not in the way Kate thinks he did.
I wonder if the trash thing happened just like Robert said it did. He has helping his friend who was in distress.
When Robert heard TFW saying that anything left in the apartment the next day would be tossed, he saw an opportunity to help his friend retrieve more of his stuff. When he started to go thru it he realized he had hit the mother lode, and thought hmmm, I could just continue picking up the trash and TFW will be none the wiser. Jon may have been unaware of this part of things.
There is no reason to twist your way halfway to China in an effort to figure out a way that TFMJG's lawsuit that Jon and Robert conspired to steal a hard drive (or disks, for that matter) is valid.
All you have to do is what some on this blog have done...look back on TFW's own words! SHE has put all the necessary information with her public statements. YEARS ago, she complained that Jon had 'hacked' her computer, phone and bank accounts. YEARS ago, she said that she kept a daily journal. YEARS ago she threw Jon off the property, and called the police because Robert was helping Jon move in the rain. YEARS ago she told them that anything that wasn't removed would be thrown away.
Period.
I agree with you Admin (at 6). This has become a circular firing squad, where no one escapes unscathed.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 6
''I don't find that parody funny at all. I think it could be very hurtful to everyone, Kate included. This has gone too far.''
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I agree. Not only too far, but too far with no warning that it was done by that tacky, rude, mean and nasty stupid Al person!!
And in twitter news, the zipper and banana have both been suspended (presumably for putting up the info on people BV has outed). Kate retweeted a plea to bring them back and by doing so approves of what they are doing. Some of the fans were saying last night that they were suspended because the haters are organized. Maybe this is whe Ricco comes in.
Gayle
I think we've all been assuming that gosselinbook's stunner was something to do with the child/animal abuse. Maybe not? Maybe proof about something else altogether...thus her desperation to prevent it being public.
A has always seemed to have it in for Jon. He slammed him in his book and painted Kate in a good light. He is jealous because he wanted to co author with RH. I'm still waiting for Polly to chime in on this whole mess
Agree, Admin. Not funny in the least.
That Al. He sure thinks he's quite the humorist, doesn't he.
I think he's trying to copy gosselinbook's style but is too crude, isn't smart enough, and has no class.
There is no reason to twist your way halfway to China in an effort to figure out a way that TFMJG's lawsuit that Jon and Robert conspired to steal a hard drive (or disks, for that matter) is valid.
All you have to do is what some on this blog have done...look back on TFW's own words! SHE has put all the necessary information with her public statements. YEARS ago, she complained that Jon had 'hacked' her computer, phone and bank accounts. YEARS ago, she said that she kept a daily journal. YEARS ago she threw Jon off the property, and called the police because Robert was helping Jon move in the rain. YEARS ago she told them that anything that wasn't removed would be thrown away.
Period.
Snarking and parodies should be funny, a little sarcastic, with the element of truth behind them. That is just mean and cruel to all parties!
I don't find it the least bit funny at all and proves that Al wants to a player in this saga... desperate much?!?
I'm trying to catch up after a few busy, busy days. Let's see if I can figure out this latest fiasco:
TFW is in a tizzy because nobody wants to give her a job in the media, so she decides it's all Jon and Robert's fault, then latches onto the only lawyer who is broke/desperate enough to go along with it and slaps together some incoherent complaint.
TFW thinks this will garner her massive publicity and sympathy in the press, plus allow her to bully Jon and silence Hoffman.
The press laughs at her, then ignores her. Her public image drops even further, Jon ignores her and refuses her the satisfaction of a response, and Hoffman makes it perfectly clear that he will not let her push him around.
Did I get all that right?
Too funny. Being laughed at/ignored by the media is the thing that TFW hates most in the world. Second is being unable to bully Jon. She must be going crazy, thinking, "What do I have to do to get my face on TV these days? It's where I BELONG!!!! How dare they laugh at me! How dare they ignore me! This is serious!". And being reduced to using the courts to get a response from Jon must infuriate her. And then there's that rascal Hoffman, refusing to back down. ..I think she's going to need some major therapy soon. Or she can use the stress as an excuse to spend the kids' money to treat herself to multiple spa visits.
PA Dutch Mom said... 124
I did an extensive research paper for a course in religion and those were my findings. It was probably one of the most difficult papers I ever worked on because there was conflicting information.
Of course, just like with the Plain People, there were various groups of Quakers, and many of them differed in their beliefs. Somewhere in my papers I have writings by Penn suggesting that children were either righteous or sinful and that parents should train up a child in the way he should go and when he was old he would not depart from it. He wrote a treatise on the role of parents and suggested that whatever form of discipline needed should be left up to the parents, and if physical punishment was successful for an unruly child, then so be it.
I think that over the centuries, though, the religion has evolved to such an extent that guidance, rather than corporal punishment, is the accepted form of discipline among parents.
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Perhaps you've had a lapse of memory. Are you sure you aren't thinking of John Calvin? Or one of the other Protestant sects in PA. It was settled not only By Amish and Friends, but also by Dunkers, Huguenots, Lutherans, Mennonites, Moravians, Pietists, and Schwenkfelders.
What you are saying about the Society of Friends (Quakers) is wrong. Its leaders from George Fox on always preached kindness and gentle discipline with children and the value of education. Non-violence is one of the guiding principles of Quakerism and absolutely extends to treatment of children. Although there are different groups of Friends today, some more liberal than others, all would agree on this.
William Penn in his writings is very much against corporal punishment. He did not have much to do with raising his own children as he was an Admiral and away at sea during their formative years. He argues strongly against the use of the rod in his letter to his wife and children in 1682 as he was leaving for what later became known as Pennsylvania. I quote:
"If God gives you children, love them with wisdom, correct them with affection. Never strike in anger, and suit the correction to their age as well as their fault. Convince them of their error, before you chastise them; and try them, if they show remorse, before severity; never use that, but in case of obstinacy or impenitency. Punish them more by their understandings than the rod, and show them the folly, shame, and lack of duty of their faults rather with a grieved than an angry countenance, and you will sooner affect their natures, and with a nobler sense, than a servile and rude chastisement can produce. I know the methods of some are severe corrections for faults, and artificial praises when they do well, and sometimes rewards; but this course awakens passion worse than their faults. For the former creates base fear, if not hatred; the later creates pride and vain glory; both which should be avoided in a religious education of youth; for they equally vary from it, and deprave nature. There should be the greatest care imaginable what impressions are given to children; that method, which earliest awakens their understandings to love, duty, sobriety, just and honorable things, is to be preferred."
He wants to hurt Jon but putting false info about a sex tape hurts Kate and the kids too if not more. And you know I'm the first to say public figure fair game. In this case it's not fair game. The Onion generally knows how to write great parodies. I loved their opinion entitled something like Mary Kate is a far superior actress to Ashley. Lol.
That Al. What a class act he is.
Not.
Did I get all that right?
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Basically, yes, in a nutshell, but you forgot she made a statement on her blog, but not at the top...underneath her plug to buy her cookbook.
Hey, y'all! I've been keeping up with reading here, just popping in and out so I'm finally getting back to posting.
I've been so moved by your stories and see some new names. Thank you all for sharing.
Again, what makes this blog so cool is that the sum is greater than the parts and that's because of the amazing conversations we have.
I have to tip my hat to Kate for that. But for her and her batshit crazy self, we probably wouldn't have found one another.
Al W.'s onion-ish article... don't get it. I also wonder if it's libelous? Anyways, I don't have a dog in that whole Hatfields and McCoys drama. I did buy Al's book and it was scathing towards Jon but then again, Jon certainly provided the ammunition back then.
Which brings to to contributing to prior conversation about Jon. I'm of the mindset that Jon has changed and I hope that he saw what he had become, and it scared him big time.
At least he seems to be able to examine his life, unlike Kate, whose stubborn streak is her downfall.
I truly feel that this whole lawsuit is her Waterloo and while I don't feel a lick of pity for her, I do for the children. I can not begin to imagine what they're going through.
I loved their opinion entitled something like Mary Kate is a far superior actress to Ashley. Lol.
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Gawd, those two are weird-like Grey Gardens weird. How a couple of absolutely talentless, alien-looking Hobbits got Rockefeller rich is beyond me.
He wants to hurt Jon but putting false info about a sex tape hurts Kate and the kids too if not more. And you know I'm the first to say public figure fair game. In this case it's not fair game.
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It's disgusting and despicable. His book showed what he is, and I'm not even going to get into it. Of course he has freedom of speech and can say whatever he wants in his blog, but there is a point where you say "enough" when it comes to putting something false out there that would hurt Kate and the kids. It's not fair game. Some people are just really stupid and wouldn't know that it's a parody. It's happened before with Tweeters, some of whom are dumber than a bag of hair, and rumors get started.
My gosh, man...think before doing something like that.
More publicity blunders:
Milli Vanilli.
When they changed the recipe of Coke.
The McDLT, hot on one side, cold on the other.
The name of the water contest was "Hold your wee for a Wii".
The low flying plane all around the Statue of Liberty for a photo op. People went crazy and thought it was 911 all over again. They then photoshopped a plane flying over the SOL.
I like Mary Kate and Ashley because they weren't afraid to say oh by the way we felt like trained monkeys as children. Full House I think is seen as sort of a very friendly set but they were brave enough to expose the dark side no matter how nice the set was and how untouchable that empire was.
Does Al think that's humor? It comes off as vindictive and very angry. It doesn't matter what side of all this you're on, his attempt to throw his hat into the ring and get some publicity for himself is one more fail in a long line of fails. Not to mention, it's poorly written. But that's not a surprise. Al's far from a decent writer.
The parody was in poor taste, definitely. Al's book paints one perspective of this whole mess, Polly's a second and Robert's a third. Personally, of the three I feel Polly's was the most well written and objective. I think all that we learn from any of their books is that Jon and Kate are desperately insecure, flawed human beings and that their children deserved better parents. But we knew that just from watching the show and their interviews.
Jon and Kate always reminded me of the Grimm fairy tale "The Fisherman and his Wife". A fisherman catches an enchanted prince who's been turned into a fish and sets him free. He and his wife are so poor they live in a ditch. The wife sends him back to ask for a cottage. The fish grants the request and the husband is content but the wife is not. She keeps sending the husband back to ask for a castle then to be made king, then emporer, then pope and finally to be made a God. Each time the fisherman, who keeps trying to point out to the wife that she should be satisfied, goes back the sea gets more and more violent until a great storm is raging until the fish finally takes everything away and makes them live in the ditch again. The moral of the story is clear.
So will it take Kate losing everything to finally make her see reason? Maybe.
I think that Al's "parody" hurts TFW just as much as Jon since she's supposedly the one releasing the tape. One could take it as another attempt by TFW to keep her name in the news. #failedattemptathumor
I suppose we all know the ''Anonymous'' that posted that link on this blog, don't we?
Poor old pond scum Al....all that effort to get some attention away from Robert, Jon and TFMJG, and instead of praise, is met with well earned disgust!
I suppose we all know the ''Anonymous'' that posted that link on this blog, don't we?
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Yep. What a waste of a right-click.
Sara--hopefully, she will be able to look back on this ank know that this is an illness, not a character flaw. In any case, sounds like her family has stepped forward to give their newest member the love and nurturing every baby needs. My DIL is pregnant with my first grandchild, so it is always gratifying to hear how people cope in challenging times.
Admin--Whose on first!
Sigh...love when someone pops in with an oh so clever name that perfectly fits the response. Kind of hard to take it seriously, but I will.
You said that of course I would only believe a scenario that implicates Jon. I was refuting the illogical claims that because disks and hard drives were being used in some references, that this is proof that he did not take the drive. I don't see why believing RH is telling the truth, and a legal filing is a lie is the obvious choice. Why go to all that trouble and expense to put a complete falsehood in a legal filing? It does nothing to make the case.
The other reason why I think that TFW may have realized only recently that a hard drive was taken, is because the 2009 "hacking" sounded like spyware that was installed to monitor and send copies of all communications. When Robert started releasing files, like a tax return and legal contracts from Lane furniture, those may have been older files that wouldn't have been sent via the spyware. Those would reside on a storage device or disk.
So, the hacking and hard drive are separate actions. If it was a portable drive, it could have been taken for a few hours to back up or copy, and then returned without TFW's knowledge.
The reason
Her retweet to bring those tweetie pals back:
cheshire cat. @LegitMinnyZiggy
#RT #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack @KatePlusMy8
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin
So she is condoning what they do on there -- sending tweets after tweets linking BV's outing. What in the heck is wrong with her? You'd think she'd want to stay out of it instead of involving herself in that mess.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 6
''I don't find that parody funny at all. I think it could be very hurtful to everyone, Kate included. This has gone too far.''
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I agree. Not only too far, but too far with no warning that it was done by that tacky, rude, mean and nasty stupid Al person!!
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Al is a boorish wannabee.
But that's exactly what a lawsuit is Ex nurse. One person has their version of events another person a different version and it's up to the judge and jury to decide which one it believe. Someone has to be wrong whether the system gets it right or not. Eventfully all you're left with is a lot of bills and stress and very little satisfaction. It may feel good to get someone, a day or two. The feeling is fleeting. When setting out to get someone next thing you know you're the one with bills and stress too. Burning the barn down to get the mice.
Just an FYI, it's RICO, which stands for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations.
So, the hacking and hard drive are separate actions. If it was a portable drive, it could have been taken for a few hours to back up or copy, and then returned without TFW's knowledge.
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Nobody, with the exception of those involved, has any idea what was done, when it was done, if there were back-ups, hard drive, disks, whatever...it really is futile to try to figure any of it out when there are so many possible scenarios. Why even bother to try to put it together?
Admin--Whose on first!
Sigh...love when someone pops in with an oh so clever name that perfectly fits the response. Kind of hard to take it seriously, but I will.
You said that of course I would only believe a scenario that implicates Jon.
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I'm trying to follow this. To whom are you responding? Post #?
Is it too early for a Bloody Mary?
Remona--thanks for your concern oon my twisting brain. Actually, the twisting happens when 2+2 does not add up to four. I have worked with computers since 1989. People are throwing around terms that have specific meanings, and then using faulty logic to come up with smoking guns and gotcha statements that are based on false assumptions. Hacking into a computer and taking a physical hard drive are not the same thing. They are separate activities that may or may not have happened at the same time. And, may or may not have been discovered at the same time. I have a portable drive hooked up to my computer that I use for occasional backups. If someone took it for a few hours, days or even weeks, I wouldn't know it.
Stating the same false assumptions doesn't make them true.
For the record, Jon, as he seems today, would not do either if these things--I truly believe that. He has shown admirable restraint and he is a very loving father.
The Jon of 2009 was a completely different person who was creating chaos and havoc at every turn. That person, IMO, would have been capable of what he is being. So, it is, at the very least, a possibility that you just can't accept. You are welcome to your opinion that this isn't what happened, but the facts just don't support the certainty. So many people have remarked on the fact that Kate has not denied that RH has her journal. Has either Jon or RH denied that he took a hard drive? and, isn't it possible RH didn't question how the disks got in the garbage? And, why would Robert be asked how they got in the garbage? Any answer would be what he was told, which would be the truth. This was a lie detector test given by a tabloid online website that was only interested in covering themselves legally. The only question that would matter is whether RH obtained them legally. They wanted the story, so why would they go to great lengths to discredit their own source. And, I didn't see Radaronline named in the suit, so seems like that worked.
So, not a "Period--more of a ??? I guess I don't understand why a total stranger would be so invested in defending Jon, be unable to tolerate the slightest dissent and cannot see that All I am doing is using the same common sense and logic that I apply.
Pick apart my logic and show me where I am wrong...nothing is furthered by stubborn insistence that only you can be right on every single point, with nothing to back up the assertion.
So Kate feels she knows better than twitter's own suspension policies? Of course she does. Isn't it pretty hard to get suspended there? Someone must have called the mob to get that done.
Melissa exactly. What does it matter? And that was exactly the public and media's reaction this time around. Oh what does it matter, really?
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So Kate feels she knows better than twitter's own suspension policies? Of course she does. Isn't it pretty hard to get suspended there? Someone must have called the mob to get that done.
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Yes, in fact the government is thinking of adding bogus Twitter suspensions to the list of RICO offenses. Just ask Ziggy.
Melissa exactly. What does it matter? And that was exactly the public and media's reaction this time around. Oh what does it matter, really?
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Right. You know, you could drive yourself nuts trying to figure out the possible scenarios, and in the end, could be way off base on every one of them. Who has the time or energy to do that? We're not the attorneys and weren't hired to do any investigations into how the computer was hacked, or if Robert found whatever he found in the trash or across the street where it was dragged by raccoons.
It doesn't matter! It's up to the courts to figure it out, if it ever comes to that and the case isn't dismissed because of that pesky little SOL thing.
Is Al projecting a little wishful thinking or has he completely lost his marbles? That whole blog post is BEYOND inappropriate in so many ways.
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Has either Jon or RH denied that he took a hard drive?
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Robert Hoffman said:
I never used the words ‘hard drive’ when describing where I got the information. I found computer disks. Hard drive is what happened when the story got whispered down the alley on the blogs for a year. So much of what people comment on is so far from the truth and distorted that it’s laughable.
Here’s the exact wording I used in the book: Kate’s journal was found by me while combing through documents and computer discs and files that she threw in the trash, the day after she threw Jon out of the apartment above the garage for good.
Melissan NV said... 38
Is it too early for a Bloody Mary?
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It's FOOTBALL SEASON! :-) Never too early for a Bloody Mary during FOOTBALL SEASON. (ZingZang Bloody Mary Mix Rocks!)
And for any of you who saw the Boilermaker's game yesterday ... I'm going to be drinking a LOT of ZingZang this season :-(
Yes, in fact the government is thinking of adding bogus Twitter suspensions to the list of RICO offenses. Just ask Ziggy.
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lol, Tweet-le! Some of the fans are just so darn dumb that you wonder why they put anything out there on Twitter or on the blogs. You'd think that if you were that stupid that you wouldn't want the internet world, Kate, her followers or those who tweet to know it.
Then again, maybe it's their stupidity that causes them to put it there in the first place. It's kind of like which came first - the chicken or the egg. Kind of a vicious cycle. At least they are good for a laugh. I'd bet there are some sheeple who laugh at them, too, but just won't admit it.
Tweet, I blame it on auto correct and trying to type on an iPhone while on a train. RICO it is!
Gayle
Blowing In The Wind said... 81
I don't want to get into a long-winded explanation. However, an attorney does not have the legal power to issue a subpoena PRIOR to the filing of a lawsuit.
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If there really was a subpoena. I think it was stated on the blog that the owner showed it to an attorney and was told it was legit. I would think that this attorney should have known this and asked for the lawsuit filing before anything was turned over. It's just all so confusing.
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I hope I'm not going on and on ad nauseum on this point, because I really don't mean to.
I'm sure others will remember the time period when the subpoena was supposedly served on the blog owner. How long ago was that?
When a lawsuit is filed, whether in Federal court or state court, there is a strictly defined time period by which it must be served on the named defendants. Once it is served, the defendants usually have 30 days to file their answer or otherwise respond in a legal manner. At that point, then either side's attorney could issue a subpoena.
So my point is merely this: If a class action lawsuit has been filed by anyone (BV, Kate, anyone else) in this saga, why haven't we been able to find hide nor hair of it? Surely enough time would have passed between the filing of the lawsuit, service on the named defendants, then service of this claimed subpoena on the owner of the blog --- that the lawsuit itself would have surfaced. It would be in the public domain.
But nothing, nada, zip.
Once again, I stand by my assertion that whatever document was allegedly presented to the blog owner was not a valid, legal subpoena. It simply could not have been so. The owner can make any sort of statement she wants, but the facts are not backing her up. I do not want to pick on that person - I think she became frightened, overwhelmed, and made a bad decision. Her continued silence on the matter seems to bear me out. She made a mistake, and I wish she'd own up to it.
One reason I like working in the legal field is that it is linear. There is a process that must be followed. Step 1, then Step 2, then Step 3. You don't get to start with Step 3 (serving a subpoena) and then at some later point do Step 1 (file the lawsuit). It is an orderly process, governed by law.
It's not going to happen, but I would love to see a scan of that subpoena. I'd love to know what law firm and attorney were listed on the top of that subpoena. I'd like to see the court name and case number, and who signed it. I'd like to see if the necessary documents were also served along with it (Notice to Consumer, Proof of Service, etc.) I have a sneaking suspicion it never existed.
Berks Neighbor said... 72
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August 31, 2013 at 1:10 PM
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Dear Berks,
Thank you for the suggestion, but I'm afraid to lol. My friend pushed the garden hose down the pipe (as you described) and tried to flush it out, and it only came back up the pipe. I'm afraid I could create a horrible mess.
Oh plumbing repairs - such a headache! But here it is Sunday afternoon, so the countdown to Tuesday is moving along.
RH's words...."Here’s the exact wording I used in the book: Kate’s journal was found by me while combing through documents and computer discs and files that she threw in the trash, the day after she threw Jon out of the apartment above the garage for good."
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If you read that above, RH might even have found a hand written journal. RH does not explicitly state her journal was on a disc, he found it while " looking" through documents and discs.
If he does have Kate's exact handwriting then that would be pretty hard for Kate to deny her own words.
I think BV and TFW are 2 of the same, and am not surprised at all of their partnership. They both believe in bullying back, and as you know bullies will say what ever they need to say to intimidate people whether it is true or not.
I understood people to say that a SLAPP suit is one that is all about intimidation, and often the people being sued can not afford lawyers, etc. When people do not show up on court, they win by default. Technically they can say they won, even if their suit was full of BS.
Admin, that parody by Al is really sickening. Can the link to it be removed?
Not to censor free speech, but to support that we all believe the kids need some protection, and by having that link here, more people will see it. I would hate for kids to find this link and then say to the gosselin kids " your dad is now suing your mom so she doesnt release a video tape.." and they go on to share about Al's message. I dont even want to repeat it here...
Tweet, I blame it on auto correct and trying to type on an iPhone while on a train. RICO it is!
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I think auto correct should also be added to RICO offenses!!
When I see the word Ricco I think of some yuppie bistro on Rodeo Dr. LOL
So she is condoning what they do on there -- sending tweets after tweets linking BV's outing. What in the heck is wrong with her? You'd think she'd want to stay out of it instead of involving herself in that mess.
I think I can speak for the vast majority of the posters here and say that:
We'll never 'get it'.
We don't think like TFW.
We aren't motivated by a vindication no matter who get's hurt.
We aren't vengeful.
We aren't without reason.
We don't feel/see the satisfaction in being a bully.
We don't get satisfaction/motivation from punishing others, whatever the infraction.
We're not narcissists.
We don't hate our exs more than we love our children.
OMG, according to tweets, one of BV's minions is dragging one of the haters' custody cases into this mess by sending info to the custody Judge? Is this for real?
Enough is enough! This isn't a god. This is Kate-freaking-Gosslin. A NOBODY, for God's sake.
Back to Milo In Wonderland.
Seriously? If I had a husband and children ... and I said something like 'a former reality star on Twitter is who gave me the will to get over a serious surgery/health problems' ... I'd know my life was lacking in some pretty significant areas.
I'd send myself to counseling.
Admin, I have to join in with the others who asked you to please remove post #5 with the link to Al's blog. I can't be the only one who accidentally clicked the link, not realizing it was to that blog. Why reward him with clicks from your readers? That's exactly why the link was posted here on your very popular bog. I believe there are many more readers here than just those who post.
Lancastercountymom said...Here’s the exact wording I used in the book: Kate’s journal was found by me while combing through documents and computer discs and files that she threw in the trash, the day after she threw Jon out of the apartment above the garage for good.
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Thank you for that. That clarifies what RH found...that doesn't rule out where they originated. Certainly they were originally stored on some kind of drive. I haven't used a disk drive as anything but a backup for at least 10 years. All of the files must have been originally on someone's hard drive, and then backed up or copied by someone and then placed in the garbage. I know people have given the opinion that Kate herself ordered the disks thrown away, not knowing that they were backups. Could have happened, but that is just one possibility, not a certainty. Given that an ex gave an interview in the exact time period that Jon hacked her computer and described the type of file transfer that are occur when snooping spyware programs are installed on someone's program, it isn't a huge leap to make that the probability favors that Jon did that, too. Because, you know, oddly enough, it ended up in the hands of his friend.
Admin--I agree that this is a colossally stupid action on TFW's part. Not only is this career suicide, this will be another open wound in their family that will have generational consequences. Some, or maybe even most of the kids are going to see what many have said here. One has learned from their mistakes and done what he could to make amends, and the other continues to repeat and compound the mistakes. Jon will certainly leave the legacy of unconditional love and humility. Kate will leave the legacy of greed and anger.
My heart breaks for the kids, who never asked for any of this. How confusing must this be for them.
Melissa NV, I was responding to, literally, Sigh at 176 on the previous page.
For what it is worth, I think that most of us agree that Al Walentis is an ass.
Seriously???? said... 55
OMG, according to tweets, one of BV's minions is dragging one of the haters' custody cases into this mess by sending info to the custody Judge? Is this for real?
Enough is enough! This isn't a god. This is Kate-freaking-Gosslin. A NOBODY, for God's sake.
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A family court judge is going to decide custody based upon which parent likes Kate Gosselin? LOL!
Those 'minions' like the drama they create and the adulation they receive for creating it. Kind of like Kate. A one-note sad lot if you ask me. Kind of like Kate.
Ya gotta love the sheeple!
@MY_3BCOLLIES: @Support @twitter users @LanaBobanna_ & @RealZiggyFlo were suspended as result of a PLANNED assault on good people by a group of bullies.
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''.......Stating the same false assumptions doesn't make them true.''
''....You are welcome to your opinion that this isn't what happened, but the facts just don't support the certainty''
''......nothing is furthered by stubborn insistence that only you can be right on every single point, with nothing to back up the assertion.''
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Ex Nurse, I agree that your same false assumptions don't make them true.
I agree that you are welcome to your opinion that this isn't what happened, but your facts don't support your certainty.
I agree that nothing is adding to the discussion by your stubborn insistence to continue to doubt every single point.
Therefore, I'm no longer going to discuss this with you ever again.
The End
(Unless you decide that my refusal to discuss this with YOU means that you think I'm agreeing with a single thing you said!)
I keep reading about this lawsuit filed by TFMJG, and reading about the twits who are twatting on her Twitter, and shaking my head and rubbing my eyes. Is this all for real? Or have I fallen down a rabbit hole? This represents a new low even for TFMJG. I'd love for it to go up before a tough, no nonsense judge who slaps her down hard!
I didn't go read Al's parody. I have no interest in reading anything he "writes". He's a foul-mouthed, foul-minded low life masquerading as a human being. I made the mistake of buying his book. It is the only book I've ever deleted from my Kindle account, and I've downloaded thousands of books. It was complete and utter garbage. I agree with the poster above who said that Polly's book was the best written of the 3. She also is the only one who made any attempt at presenting a balanced picture of J&K.
I get a weekly digest of news articles in my email every Sunday. One of the articles in today's email is of interest to those of us on this blog. It's entitled "Few Protections For Child Actors", and talks about the G's, quotes Murt, quotes Mara Wilson and Paul Petersen and Corey Feldman. http://www.arcamax.com/currentnews/newsheadlines/s-1383287 . Of particular interest, especially given the discovery that a pedophile worked on the crew of J&K+8, is that the new PA law covering movies, etc., does NOT require background checks for those crew members working with children.
formerly Readerlady
Over And Out said... 33
Her retweet to bring those tweetie pals back:
cheshire cat. @LegitMinnyZiggy
#RT #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack #BringZiggyBack #BringLanaBack @KatePlusMy8
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So she is condoning what they do on there -- sending tweets after tweets linking BV's outing. What in the heck is wrong with her? You'd think she'd want to stay out of it instead of involving herself in that mess.
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Well, I guess at this point, they are the closest thing she has to friends.
I think she got seriously addicted to attention when the tups were born, but also to being in a state of crisis all the time. When both the attention and the crises evaporated, she had no choice but to keep creating them. She actually she is in crisis mode trying to create a crisis to be in. "PANIC! Life is too calm! I CANT COPE!" And no one gets attention for being a calm, normal person. Especially not a stunning brilliant IT girl like JGFW.
So my point is, I guess, that she craves this twitter mess, it is the only thing giving her life meaning right now and the only circle of friends she has, since TLC stopped paying folks to pretend to like her. That and revenge on Jon for making her look bad on TV. Or getting his teeth whitened before she did. Or not filling her gas tank according to her specifications. Or whatever about him is biting her butt this week.
But if she gets revenge on Jon and no tweeties notice, did she really get any revenge on Jon? Hmmm?
Suzee, yes. We will never get it. There's nothing to get. It's on a different spectrum.
"Ex Nurse, I agree that your same false assumptions don't make them true.
I agree that you are welcome to your opinion that this isn't what happened, but your facts don't support your certainty.
I agree that nothing is adding to the discussion by your stubborn insistence to continue to doubt every single point.
Therefore, I'm no longer going to discuss this with you ever again.
The End
(Unless you decide that my refusal to discuss this with YOU means that you think I'm agreeing with a single thing you said!)"
Remona I applaud you..I came to the same conclusion that you did a while back. Some people have to be right, even if doing so takes their last breath. Myself, I am like you, and think there is always more than one possibility that might caused a certain situation to happen.
Dwindle, I think you have analyzed her motives very well.
I have exceedingly low expectations of Kate Gosselin. She has managed to drop below what I thought possible.
This parody video, has anyone seen it? I read Al's website.
It says he was an educator.
Due to his behavior in this fiasco, the educator part makes me sick.
I wonder if she is really going to appear on the Today Show to push her "book". Even to go to the book festival in Baltimore would be very hard for a normal person. Maybe she will have extra security, not just Skeeve. I wish I could go just to observe what is going on. She really has no shame in the face, as my mom always said.
There's always the scroll option. I use it often. Plus there's the added benefit of not taking up so much room on the blog. :)
Seriously? If I had a husband and children ... and I said something like 'a former reality star on Twitter is who gave me the will to get over a serious surgery/health problems' ... I'd know my life was lacking in some pretty significant areas.
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In was going to say the very same thing last night, Milo has a husband and kids, and she said nothing that they encouraged her to keep moving and think positive when it came to overcoming her health problems. No thanks to the support her family gave her. She credits Kate. How sad is that?
Unless there is no husband and no children, and Kate is all she has.
When I see the word Ricco I think of some yuppie bistro on Rodeo Dr. LOL
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I once dated a guy whose name was Ricco. That's the first thing I thought about when I saw that. Don't know if he had mob connections, but he sure was a hunk!
Once again, I stand by my assertion that whatever document was allegedly presented to the blog owner was not a valid, legal subpoena. It simply could not have been so. The owner can make any sort of statement she wants, but the facts are not backing her up. I do not want to pick on that person - I think she became frightened, overwhelmed, and made a bad decision. Her continued silence on the matter seems to bear me out. She made a mistake, and I wish she'd own up to it.
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But that person stated several times that her husband was an attorney. Wouldn't you think if that were true, he would be the one to look it over and decide whether or not it was valid and legitimate document and file a response? That's what makes no sense.
I didn't go read Al's parody. I have no interest in reading anything he "writes". He's a foul-mouthed, foul-minded low life masquerading as a human being.
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You said it better than I could. I agree with the person who said that link should be deleted. Freedom of speech (and to post) is one thing, but posting a link to something that disgusting is another. It serves no purpose and I would hope that nobody sees it and tells the children about it.
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I wonder if she is really going to appear on the Today Show to push her "book".
Remember: when Kate feels pushed, she pushes back even harder. Whenever Kate feels that she is being backed in to a corner, she comes out swinging. This book and TV appearance tour is what she has been patiently waiting for since she had her ass canned by TLC and others. Look at me! I am back on TV!! Yay!!!! I won!!!! Again!! Remember her t-shirt for the marathon? That is her attitude through and through. And I think I may be standing alone in believing this lawsuit is not going to make her look like a real idiot like others are predicting. She is far too calculating for failure of this magnitude. I seriously don't think all this stuff is going to come and out and sink her once and for all.
JMHO....of course.
I once dated a guy whose name was Ricco. That's the first thing I thought about when I saw that. Don't know if he had mob connections, but he sure was a hunk!
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LOL. I'm sure. Jon Franco, Georgio, Paolo...yum!
And I think I may be standing alone in believing this lawsuit is not going to make her look like a real idiot like others are predicting. She is far too calculating for failure of this magnitude. I seriously don't think all this stuff is going to come and out and sink her once and for all.
JMHO....of course.
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I would have agreed with you about the epic failure BEFORE her cookbook attempt. I think she overplayed her hand and doesn't know when to fold 'em. I can picture her going on her "media tour" and saying the same thing she said on Katie Couric's show: She has been advised not to talk about it etc. Just another way to play the victim although everyone is tired of it (as we all know).
But that person stated several times that her husband was an attorney. Wouldn't you think if that were true, he would be the one to look it over and decide whether or not it was valid and legitimate document and file a response? That's what makes no sense.
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There was a commentor there who said her husband was an attorney. Are you sure you're not confusing the two?
colleen campbell @callerbabe 4h
@Kateplusmy8 I've pre-ordered your cook book but when will I recieve it?I live in Edmonton,AB,Canada?
Don't you just want to bang your head when you read stuff like this? How in the bleep would Kate possibly know when this fan is going to receive the cookbook? Is Kate now employed by the post office? Good grief, woman...check your order. A tracking number will be provided.
When I see something like this, I sometimes read the timelines of these people, and I swear, there's something really off when they tweet celebrities, like Amy Roloff, Jennifer Arnold, singers, actors, and tell them what they are doing that day, when they ate, when they went to the bathroom, what they dug up in their garden, and when the cat threw up a hairball. Do they honestly think that these celebrities really care one bit? The Charity Lady, too, seems to think that she has a personal connection with these people.
Then I think, you know, maybe they're just lonely people...
I deleted the link.
Kate's lawsuit brought to light Robert's book that was probably read only by those of us who post on this blog and the sheeple. The media is now talking about Kate in terms of "child abuse". These days media outlets stay away from those involved in racism and abuse. I'd say Kate's lawsuit will have effects she didn't count on. If her "PR" people are able to schedule Kate for the "media rounds" I would be very surprised.
And I think I may be standing alone in believing this lawsuit is not going to make her look like a real idiot
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And I think I may be standing alone in believing this lawsuit is not going to make her look like a real idiot
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It's certainly not going to get her what she really wants -- a talk show.
There was a commentor there who said her husband was an attorney. Are you sure you're not confusing the two?
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Possibly. It wouldn't be the first time. I didn't read there on a regular basis because things were just too wild and crazy for me (and I didn't understand most of the things, anyway, nor did I know who they were talking about most of the time). I did read occasionally when something was going down, or to check out the cartoon things. However, I thought that she said her husband was an attorney because I believe someone had looked it up (they knew her last name) and couldn't find an attorney by that name who practiced in that state.
Does anyone else remember, or do I just go down as suffering from confusion/dementia? :)
Bitchy Pants said... 59
I keep reading about this lawsuit filed by TFMJG, and reading about the twits who are twatting on her Twitter, and shaking my head and rubbing my eyes. Is this all for real? Or have I fallen down a rabbit hole? This represents a new low even for TFMJG. I'd love for it to go up before a tough, no nonsense judge who slaps her down hard!
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Dmasy, Hi. I agree that she has sunk lower, without a shred of common humanity any longer, than many of us thought possible. For that reason, I am not really giving her the credit for organized conniving that some are giving her. I think she is out of control in a whole new way.
And if this doesn't give her the attention she craves, what next? Stringing up one of her sons, naked, by his toes for a pay per view event? After all, boys are icky, she has 2 more at home just like him, it would be all Jon's fault somehow, and the $$ signs in her eyes would be 'all all all for the kids". Right?
Ya gotta love the sheeple!
@MY_3BCOLLIES: @Support @twitter users @LanaBobanna_ & @RealZiggyFlo were suspended as result of a PLANNED assault on good people by a group of bullies.
Gayle
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I guess it wouldn't have been as effective had it been an UNPLANNED assault! You're right -- you gotta love them. They do keep things interesting, especially the one who give perpetual hugs. Wouldn't that really creep you out to be hugged like that...real or cyber?
Is anyone getting tired of the dramatics? An "assault"? Someone got suspended from Twitter, not beaten to a pulp and left in a ditch to die. I'm sure life will go on without Twitter. Life might even be better, mine sure is since I closed my account!
Then I think, you know, maybe they're just lonely people...
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Now I can't get Eleanor Rigby out of my head!
These days media outlets stay away from those involved in racism and abuse. I
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Exactly. This is yet another example of the outright horrendous miscalculations here. It is not "in vogue" to give child abusers a pass right now (yea!!). Child abuse news stories are easily in the top 10 biggest news stories of the past 2 years. Without a doubt. From Penn State to various other sports programs to the Scouts to various other child molesters being exposed, the "in" thing right now is to expose the child abuser and then exclaim your outrage. It simply wasn't going to work to come in guns blazing over an accusation you're a child abuser. Poor, poor move. Badly played.
But she gets laughed at by celebrities and the next thing you know she is appearing on their show!!! We have seen it before. Whoopi had no say when Kate was a co-host even though it appeared that Whoopi detested her. I just can't believe she has cooked her goose yet.......like this blog says, 15 minutes gosselin style...
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And I think I may be standing alone in believing this lawsuit is not going to make her look like a real idiot
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She'll withdraw it and make a media statement about being 'a high road taker', 'a good deed doer', 'a big girl panty wearer', 'a personal rights sacrificererer', a devoted mother who put her children's emotional needs ahead of her righteous fight. How she is willing to lay down her personal indignation about the horrible wrong done to her in the best interest of her children. And how she is now commencing on being a 'speech givererer' about evil ex husbands who manipulate their children to due evilish harm to Saint Former Wife. She will sacrifice her personal dignity in order to end the torture of this matter that Jon has inflicted on HER children - er I mean KIDS, coz FW never calls them children. Yes, indeed it is an exhausting path she walks but you can contact her personal staff at the link below to arrange media appearances so she can set the record straight some more again ad nauseum. Stab plastic nail in eye and sniffle commencing now.
It will never get to a final decision, she will withdraw.
Whoopi, lol.
I loved the last interview with her where she basically just sat there and scowled and stewed. She cracks me up.
Someone should sue her.
I'm not really knowledgeable in what is allowed to be tweeted and what isn't (no account here), but how exactly does one get suspended, and how easy is it to be reinstated? Also, what constitutes a threat? If, for instance, someone like the Bullyville person tweets that he is about to destroy someone, is that considered a threat?
Paper Plates said.. "Remember when Kate feels pushed, she pushes back even harder. Whenever Kate feels that she is being backed in to a corner, she comes out swinging."
That was back in the day when she had TLC and Julie Carson May at her beck and call. Now she's on her own. Those days are well and truly over.
Dwindle . . . 88
Don't forget contract honorer.
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nlan said... 61
Therefore, I'm no longer going to discuss this with you ever again.
The End
(Unless you decide that my refusal to discuss this with YOU means that you think I'm agreeing with a single thing you said!)
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Calm down people. It's just Jon Gosselin for cryin' out loud. LOL
So what? Who cares? LOL
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Just want to point out that this post was not made by "Nobody Likes a Narcissist (NLAN)".
That post was made by a shit stirrer. NLAN moved on from this blog a long time ago.
That was back in the day when she had TLC and Julie Carson May at her beck and call. Now she's on her own. Those days are well and truly over.
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There was a commentor there who said her husband was an attorney. Are you sure you're not confusing the two?
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Possibly. It wouldn't be the first time. I didn't read there on a regular basis because things were just too wild and crazy for me (and I didn't understand most of the things, anyway, nor did I know who they were talking about most of the time). I did read occasionally when something was going down, or to check out the cartoon things. However, I thought that she said her husband was an attorney because I believe someone had looked it up (they knew her last name) and couldn't find an attorney by that name who practiced in that state.
Does anyone else remember, or do I just go down as suffering from confusion/dementia? :)
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Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 87
But she gets laughed at by celebrities and the next thing you know she is appearing on their show!!!
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Perhaps Meredith Vieira is still enamoured with her enough to feature her on her new Youtube channel where the content promises to be "interesting, fun and heated", although I don't think she'd make too many headlines if she did.
It ain't over til it's over but I kind of think this lawsuit/bv business is the final, sorry rattle of her celebrity.
Who, as a mom of 8 children, 6 of whom are in diapers, and the other 2 too young to help out, would have time to write a DAILY diary?
You'd think every waking moment would be taken up with childcare. Any free time would be spent giving each child some individual cuddling.
Oh, wait. We're talking the TFW here. She didn't DO any of the childcare. Or cuddling.
Apparently all she did was beat the crap out of the kids and write in her diary. Oh, and grift for free stuff.
Rainbows, I remember it like you are remembering it.
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Are you saying that I'm not crazy, or wouldn't you go quite that far? LOL!
No problem Orange hope you can get out there, it was one of the most beautiful and peaceful places I've ever seen. They also have a wedding venue right there.
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Rainbows, I remember it like you are remembering it.
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Mel said... 99
Who, as a mom of 8 children, 6 of whom are in diapers, and the other 2 too young to help out, would have time to write a DAILY diary?
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Someone who has planned and schemed for a very long time to someday write a book about being the weary mother of her, ahem, mulitple blessings, maybe even before she was lying there getting fertility treatments to "fill the empty, aching void" in her uterus?
I stopped posting re this Gosselinland kaos a year ago but when I see a story on ROL I will come to 15 to lurk because I know the bloggers here will scour the net to discuss the latest "news" but no, I do not read every post. So when I saw that Kate was suing Jon it pissed me off and my first thought went to the 8 children -- if only she dealt with her anger issues back in 2009 because she is continuing to think of herself first and her children second.
As the week went by though I was enjoying that whatever response Kate thought she would get was backfiring, big time. Loved the GMA video link, thanks! Yes, I happen to believe that she thought that by suing Jon and Hoffman that it would in fact help her cookbook sales by getting TV gigs but I doubt that is going to happen now.
HOFFMAN wrote "I never used the words ‘hard drive' when describing where I got the information. I found computer disks. Hard drive is what happened when the story got whispered down the alley on the blogs for a year. So much of what people comment on is so far from the truth and distorted that it's laughable." -- Based upon his comment, and seeing that there are things posted on 15 that I can't figure out where the info came from and yet seems to be accepted as fact, I have some comments/questions/requests for clarification from you regulars here so in no particular order:
SILIMOM #28 and BITCHY PANTS #60 Re Polly's book -- Her book was about the psychological effects of the Gosselin children being on "reality" TV, 8 children who were part of a social experiment and the sad fact is that it will be years before anyone will know the long term effects. FTR Polly's book is still being used as a text book in college (how many of us can say that we wrote a book instead of just posting on blogs?) and maybe those students who are reading her book are law students and when the kids turn 18 can help them deal with their long term psychological issues (especially after the kids get on the Internet and read what all has taken place over the years).
JON GOSSELIN — I know he recently did an interview where IMO he put Kate on notice that he has not only written a book but if necessary was prepared to fight her in a court of law with documentation to back him up. That being said, why is it assumed that Kate's motivation in going after Jon who is obviously "judgment proof" is to get custody away from Jon so she could move to LA? Is this from the sheeple? Why would anyone think a father who loves his kids would agree to giving up his visitation in a settlement? Am I the only one who believes that Kate loves to travel and does not want to be around her kids 24/7/365? If so, why would she go after full custody which would tie her down? To move to LA? If media people are not calling her now, living in CA is not going to get her phone ringing LOL
HOFFMAN -- Robert, kudos to you for the new book cover which is very impressive, as well as all the links that you provided that prove that your book released in Sept 2012 for less than 48 hours had NOTHING TO DO with her demise on TV, that Kate alone brought about her own downfall. I will buy your book when it is available again now that Kate has brought it to the attention of the public, people who do not know about any Gosselin blogs but want to see why any mother would sue the father of her children in addition to an author of a book that obviously has her running scared, especially since she is not denying what is in the book is not true.
COOKBOOK / BOOK TOUR -- Has Kate posted that she is planning a book tour when her cookbook is released or is it just assumed that there will be one since there were book tours for the other books? The other books had a publisher who no doubt pick up the tab for all her travel, but this time she is self publishing the cookbook ... again, is there a link where Kate herself or TCI confirms that there is going to be a book tour? Even with the low pre-order book sales and the recent news re her current lawsuit?
(how many of us can say that we wrote a book instead of just posting on blogs?)
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I believe that there are a few authors on this blog.
Sleepless,
Opps, I guess I should have been more specific.
For the record I was referring to the 3 local authors - Al, Polly and Robert - who wrote books re Gosselinland from their local POV.
Book tour. Check B&N Staten Island, September 24 (7 p.m.), author signing; there's also one in Toronto, and an appearance at the book festival in Baltimore (September 27-29).
I know someone had a list of those appearances. Did it come from HCI?
Mickey, I remember your posts, mostly from Polly's blog. Good to hear from you. To answer a couple of your questions:
BOOK TOUR: AFAIK, TFMJG hasn't posted about a book tour, but one of the regulars here posted an itinerary taken from the HCI website (HCI is the "publisher" of her book), with a list of appearances, including Today, Extra; a couple of Barnes & Noble signings; a talk show in Canada; and a couple of "pending" engagements including with Piers Morgan and maybe Katie Couric? I don't remember the specifics, but the post should be easy for you to find if you're so inclined.
I know Polly's book was designed to be more of a sociological/psychological study than the other two. I actually have read it, just as I read Robert's book and tried to read Al's. As I said, hers was the best written and was a balanced book, IMO.
I think it's mostly speculation that part of TFMJG's motivation in filing this lawsuit is to try to find a way to strip Jon of all parental rights. I agree with you that she really doesn't want to be with her kids that much, but she's so consumed with bitterness and hatred for Jon because he stopped the filming, that she'll do anything to spite him. She's already gone on record as saying that she doesn't see why he should have any say in their lives. If there's been any public statement by her that this is one of her motivations in this filing, I haven't seen it. Other than her trying to justify it as "protecting" the children, that is. She's just irrational enough to believe that winning this lawsuit would give her full custody and result in Jon losing his parental rights.
I hope we see more from you here.
formerly Readerlady
Hope everyone its having fun Labor Day weekend! Fun things we have done include going to beach after dark with flashlights to find ghost crabs, riding bicycles, walking on beach, charting and visiting with fun bunch of ladies with us this weekend and all our neighbors in OBX.
Summer Days And Nights said... 96
That was back in the day when she had TLC and Julie Carson May at her beck and call. Now she's on her own. Those days are well and truly over.
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MickeyMcKean said... 104
''.... why is it assumed that Kate's motivation in going after Jon who is obviously "judgment proof" is to get custody away from Jon so she could move to LA?''
''......Has Kate posted that she is planning a book tour when her cookbook is released or is it just assumed that there will be one since there were book tours for the other books?''
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Well hello there, Micky McKean! I can only answer for myself, but I based my opinion on TFW attempting to get full custody of the children on the exchange of emails TFMJG had with Hailey, when she was trying to get Hailey to turn over emails she had told TFW she had. The rest is speculation, mostly based on TFW's continued belief that she could get another show if only she could take away Jon's stopping the children from filming. That speculation grew after she did CWS.
There is a list either on Milo or TFW's timeline of the places she has booked when her cookbook comes out.
This took me so long to type due to interruptions, that I'm sure some have already answered the questions!
Lisa claimed her husband was an attorney. The other commentator was mixed up with someone else and was actually told her husband was an attorney so she went with it, mainly for laughs because the sheep had memory problems, and also to deflect from the Defektive Detektive. Don't take all that stuff seriously. The posters didn't.
Sleepless,
Because I was curious and I don't live on the east coast, I just used mapquest.com and discovered that the approximate mileage from Wernersville to Staten Island is 135 miles, to Toronto 405 miles, and Baltimore 110 miles.
It will be interesting to see if she makes these book signings, especially after the news re the filing of her recent lawsuit.
BTW, way back when, someone on Polly's blog went so far as to order the original Love Is In the Mix, the one that was dumped overseas. I know that their money was taken but then refunded when they were informed it was no longer available.
Remember, Twitter and RWA are/were nothing like this blog. The "haters" were in on the game of saying things to confuse and frustrate the sheep. The fans make it easy, but they say what will get a reaction from the busybody sheeple whether it's true or not. It's a joke. No one cared if it was true. If the sheeple would react in a frenzy, it was a win.
Because I was curious and I don't live on the east coast, I just used mapquest.com and discovered that the approximate mileage from Wernersville to Staten Island is 135 miles, to Toronto 405 miles, and Baltimore 110 miles.
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She's going to be in New York City that day, for a television appearance. The Staten Island signing is in the evening.
Well, anonymous, the joke stopped being funny, to me, when they started calling Kate an fing c*nt, tw*t, etc. It all went downhill from there, IMO.
Hello Bitchy Pants aka Readerlady, I remember you too :)
The thing I remember from Jon's interview was that he believes that TFW believes the kids are an "ownership" issue which when I first read it did not surprise me. She may not want them full time but she does not want Jon to have them either.
As for Polly's book you are correct and I know this for a fact because I know the spirit that it was written. For those of you who do not know, not only was I one of the former fans that was interviewed for her book but I also volunteered to edit it for her because of what message she was trying to get out to the world.
Now not only is her book still being ordered as required reading at the college level, based on her sales she knows that more college classes are ordering her book. Also whenever there is a Gosselin story, especially after Kate filed this recent lawsuit, there was a surge in her book sales as well as Al's book too.
Kate really screwed up because all she has done is to reopen a can of worms, and I figure that Robert has been editing his book to make it more readable so he can relaunch it and of course by removing the sections that were deemed inappropriate by Kate's attorneys, I don't see why he could not unless Kate wins her lawsuit and part of the judgment would prevent him from doing so.
BTW I am pretty sure that GMA contacted Al last week looking for Hoffman, and National Enquirer was looking for Jon after Kate filed her lawsuit. The link that was deleted today, had people scrolled down, would have seen other articles that Al posted recently where he mentions these tidbits -- anyway based on something Al posted is why I believe Hoffman posted an email link for media enquiries on his blog.
Thank you Admin for removing the link.
Holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.
I don't have a dog in this fight, well, maybe the kids but they have no idea who I am.
The stuff on twitter is just...beyond words.
Re: She's going to be in New York City that day, for a television appearance. The Staten Island signing is in the evening.
I do not know what show she is supposed to be making an appearance but I bet that she will insist that no questions are asked about the lawsuit and only wants to promote her cookbook. However based on her new lawsuit the TV show may insist they be allowed to ask her the obvious questions and she may or may not show up if she realizes that she is no longer "untouchable" without TLC's backup.
I do not know what show she is supposed to be making an appearance but I bet that she will insist that no questions are asked about the lawsuit and only wants to promote her cookbook
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The Today Show. Check out the HCI website. It has the listings there, as well as those pending.
The link that was deleted today, had people scrolled down, would have seen other articles that Al posted recently where he mentions these tidbits
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Why would anyone care what he posted, and why would anyone even visit that site?
Thanks for deleting that link, admin. That parody, or whatever it was, was nothing but trash. Enough is enough, and that crossed the line.
Why would anyone care what he posted, and why would anyone even visit that site?
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I think that's a personal decision. I find it trash but someone else may find it a treasure. *shudder*
You can't censor the internetz, unfortunately.
I find it trash but someone else may find it a treasure. *shudder*
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I would hope that anyone who found that parody a treasure would be in the minority.
You're right -- you can't censor the internet, but you can delete links that would direct someone there, which is exactly what was done in this case.
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''Why would anyone care what he posted, and why would anyone even visit that site?''
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I clicked on the link because I didn't realize it was that Al person's site. Had I known, I would have never clicked on the link!
No one said the Internet should be censored. What was said was it wasn't funny, was hurtful to the family, went too far, and we'd rather not link to it. That's not censorship. That's just not liking it. I believe very strongly in not censoring the Internet just because you're offended. Not everyone is offended by what offends me and vice versa.
Please remember rule 4. I know this stuff seems very relevant now but I think we're crossing the line into way too much blogs on blogs.
Let's remember tomorrow is Labor Day, a day where many adults get a break from work. Yet a sad day for children, because they're still so very unprotected.
Hi Mickey - I remember posting with you on Polly's site. It's good to "see" you again. :-)
I have always had a great deal of respect for Polly and did enjoy her book. As I said, of the three, it is the best written.
HCI, Kate's cookbook publisher, did post a few tour dates. The rest came from her fan.
Frankly, aside from bitterness and a need for revenge, I have decided to give up speculating what Kate's motives are for suing Jon. I think her reasons for suing Robert are clear - to stop his book being re-released and cookbook publicity.
Kate is a professional victim. Everything is always somebody else's fault. She thinks that if she can boo hoo on tv, people will care. What she won't accept is that her 15 minutes are done.
I hope you keep posting, Mickey. I've missed your comments. :-)
I hope everyone gets to do something fun today, Labor Day, even if your fun activity is finding a great sale or binge watching Orange is the New Black or sleeping late!
Hey Mickey! I followed Polly's blog and posted now and then. It was a nice blog, low on drama.
Like Admin, Polly personally saw Kate in action (filming K+8) and while she got excoriated by Kate's fans, it was absolutely an eye-opening report. Well, more of a report that confirmed what was swirling around for years-- filming was first and foremost about business. It's planned and executed and far, far from the kids just playing in frame.
What was most interesting (and nauseating at the same time) was comparing Polly's eye witness report of filming (at a corn maze) to Kate's overly dramatized and embellished narrative of rainbow farts, when the realest reality was more like a declaration from Caesar: We came, We filmed, We left.
In 20 minutes.
Yup, herd those kids through the corn, get it on film, get Kate doing damage control with one of the boy tups, and leave.
What fun!!
It will be interesting to see if she makes these book signings, especially after the news re the filing of her recent lawsuit.
I felt the same way until the image of McGiblets and TFW sitting on the set of some tabloid show came to mind. I can picture their interviews being all about cyber-bullying and cyber-crimes rather than her vendetta against Jon for things that happened 4 yrs ago. I don't think TFW is the leader in this charge. IMO they're equal partners and she'll agree to anything and everything that she thinks will further her agenda of vengeance despite the cost to her children.
I just don't see Staten Islanders lining up to see Kate.
#superfunsandy anyone? Also, I seem to recall Kate supporting the running of the NYC marathon after Sandy, usurping precious resources from people who were displaced and homeless.
Anyone remember?
Now that Polly is an "authority" with her book being used as a college text, how many people remember how disgusted they were that she was making money off the Gosselin children by writing the book? This was after she was so outraged on her blog that Kate and others were doing so.
She will be asked about the lawsuit, but will a non answer like on the advice of her attorney she cannot talk about it. Otherwise, I doubt any interview will ask probing questions. I think all her questions are submitted to her in advance because otherwise it's too risky to let her run at the mouth.
I was disappointed in Werny Gal attacking Robert, but she did have a good blog and I corresponded with her years ago. Nice person but not sure what the deal was with Robert. My impression was she was tight with Al and took Al's side when Robert decided to go solo. I admire Robert for putting the info out there, he just mishandled it and Kate got the better of him.
Thanks for deleting the link, Admin.
Censorship would be saying he can't post that. No one asked for that.
Not linking to it isn't censorship. He can post all he wants. Doesn't mean anyone has to read it.
Kind of underhanded the way the link was posted here under anonymous, IMO. If someone wanted to post the link, use your regular screen name and own it.
Since that post was outside the realm of how this blog normally talks, and outside the realm of polite society, a warning as to the language and/or content would have been courteous.
But then there wouldn't have been so many eyes on it, now would there.
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I hope everyone gets to do something fun today, Labor Day, even if your fun activity is finding a great sale or binge watching Orange is the New Black or sleeping late!
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Watching Midsommer Murders on Hulu!
I was disappointed in Werny Gal attacking Robert, but she did have a good blog and I corresponded with her years ago. Nice person but not sure what the deal was with Robert.
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There seemed to be bad blood between Robert and Al, but Polly? I have no idea.
Forgot about that actually.
I'm not sure Kate got the best of Robert. Yet, anyway. The book was released and then soon gone. But for Kate bring this suit, no one else beside insular communities like this would have known about the book, or The Spanker for that matter.
So far, Kate's getting the best of Kate.
Polly's book had page after page of blog posts, that she didn't bother to ask permission to use? I found her book boring because of that. Plus, didn't she all but stalk Kate and the kids at times, while gathering info for the book? Going so far as to chase her in her car?
Quotation seen on wall at Stack 'Em High restaurant in Nags Head:
If at first you don't succeed, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it.
And another one:
Live your life so you would not be afraid to sell your parrot to the town gossip.
I think stalk is too strong of a word, but I personally didn't like what happened at the corn maize. If I recall correctly she did follow them around there. It bothered me because if the kids noticed they might feel uncomfortable or watched. The information obtained was not earth shattering. We all knew filming was back breaking work for eight little children. We had had plenty of insider stories before about filming not to mention many stories from many other sets to know that filming stinks for little kids. There's a thread about the corn maize somewhere here where the group was debating the appropriateness of what she did.
I remember someone saying well wait you went to Kate's book signing. Yes, it was a public event where the public was invited. The kids also weren't there. Had the kids been standing right there I hope I would have aborted the whole thing and my question to Kate about whether she had a comment on the child labor laws pending would never have been asked.
Happy Labor Day everyone. I hope no matter what you do today that at least a small part of your day is a day to rest. You deserve it.
If at first you don't succeed, try again. Then quit. No use being a damn fool about it.
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Joy! I love that quote! I wish I was a teacher so I could hang it on my wall haha. Life will be smoother if you pursue things you are good at and quit the things you stink at. When did we become so darn afraid to tell a child that? NEVER QUIT? Good heavens, then you'll liable to end up like TFW writing canned food cookbooks and suing everyone while nobody cares, instead of pursuing the very noble and respectable calling of medical care.
Admin, wasn't your report on the book signing the same signing that was filmed during DWTS?
It was interesting then, too, to understand the bigger picture, not just the usual unicorn farts.
Jim Croce figured it out a long time ago--"you don't spit into the wind".
Yes it was filmed either for DWTS or I think no Inside Kate's World. Where it turned out she was hiding in a utility closet upset about the lack of attendance. I also supplied the information, told to me directly by event security, that Kate had demanded the entire book signing setup be moved from out in the open near the escalators, you know where people walking by might actually see her, to crammed between two bookshelves off to the side.
The reason? In her mind it would make it look more crowded if she were crammed into a tiny space. When actually all it did was make it so hard to figure out what signing was going on I'm sure many people didn't bother. But hey what baby wants baby gets.
Having it filmed was nice for me because it confirmed I was not exaggerating about the poor attendance as BM said I was. TFW herself admitted no one was there!
I thought it was very nice of Tony to go there and stand there. He was so nice, chatted with me for awhile and HE offered a picture I never asked for one. I don't recall if he even made the filming cut to show he stood dutifully by TFW's side and talked to her fans ALL NIGHT. At most he was probably shown standing there and they didn't get into how gracious he was. This little tidbit never made the cut.
I thought it was very nice of Tony to go there and stand there. He was so nice, chatted with me for awhile and HE offered a picture I never asked for one. I don't recall if he even made the filming cut to show he stood dutifully by TFW's side and talked to her fans ALL NIGHT
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Above and beyond. I hope he got hazard pay!
Having it filmed was nice for me because it confirmed I was not exaggerating about the poor attendance as BM said I was. TFW herself admitted no one was there!
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And then you had to go and ask her about child labor and further ruin her day. Poor thing.
Had she simply said I support any and all laws that will protect children as much as I've personally ensured my children have always been protected, what could anyone really say?
Seriously, you object and put TLC's stomping crew on a law that allows minors to work EIGHT HOURS a day?? The horror.
Another poorly played move.
I just went back and read the thread. Great stuff in there and you were hilarious.
"Suddenly, my retina started burning from a beaming white light. No, it wasn't Jesus. It was Kate's veneers glowing on this sign:"
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/04/steve-pulls-admin-by-arm-away-from-kate.html
Admin, so nice to hear again about your positive interaction with Tony Dovolani. There is a reason I call him Saint Tony of the Ballroom. He is so gifted with his talent, and such a patient teacher. TFMJG got the best teacher and completely wasted that gift.
There are many DWTS fans who never saw TFMJG before she was partnered with Tony. Their negative opinions did not come from a book or website, it came from actions of TFMJG herself.
There's a reason that TFW's hair, makeup and costumes were the worst that I've seen on DWTS. It's not because all the support staff read books or blogs. It's because they formed their own opinions after having dealt first hand with her diva behavior. She didnt win any friends in the business while on DWTS. Check!
Tony has a temper and runs his mouth sometimes when provoked, but there is a reason that he gets stuck with Kate and a dozen other divas, per his own words. He once quipped that he always gets paired with the dancers who fail the psyche exam, lol.
The reason was apparent at that book signing. He had the patience of a saint, standing there and putting up with all that and not only that but approaching fans and being as gracious as can be. I think if you stuck someone like Max on her or some of the other difficult celebs, he would just quit. You can see from the picture how genuine his smile is, he was making the best of things and enjoying himself. I'm sure he had many other things he would love to do on a Friday night. Instead, he stood by his partner, a partner who had already proven to be a real royal pain to teach. It's possible this was part of his contractual obligations at DWTS, however he didn't have to have such a good attitude about it. That was all him. I remember thinking that book signing was worth it just to see how Tony is when only 10 or 12 people are looking.
Ha speaking of check, I still crack up when Pam had that little snide smile as she said CHECK!! Ha-ha, PAM. BURN!
I also loved that interview with Niecy and Pam where they were basically like, you're complaining about preschoolers? What do they really need but a snack and a story? Try having TEENS, honey, and then you really get to see what parenting is all about. Baw-hahaha. All I could picture was what probably led up to that was TFW going on and on about how difficult her preschoolers with while Pam and Niecy sat in their makeup chairs rolling their eyes. Too funny.
That really was a pretty good season full of little drama like that that you wouldn't notice unless you followed it closely. I've had no interest in the show since.
Maks doesn't suffer fools. Actually, I don't think Tony does either, but he has more patience.
I remember Maks on a late night talk show with Erin(?) and when asked about Kate, he rolled his eyes back in his head and made an "ugh!" sound. It was way off script and probably came close to him getting a slap on the wrist for revealing what was going on behind the scenes.
Yeah, Pam gave it back to Kate real good. "Check" you're going to beat a woman who's got sex appeal oozing from her pores and legs that go all the way down to the floor?
Come on!
Oh, and boasting that you're going to beat an 80-something year old man? Classy. Keeping it classy, that Kate.
Thank you to those of you who let me know that there was a book signing schedule posted by HCI prior to Kate filing a lawsuit. I am a little surprised, this is a self published book but then knowing Kate and how she likes attention I'm sure she let HCI know that she was willing to attend any book signings that they could set up - I figure Kate will have to fill up her own gas tank since pre-order sales are nothing to brag about. Now if HCI does not offer to fly her to Toronto since it is 400+ miles, will Kate drive just to be there so it will feel like "old times"? Gotta wait and see if anyone attends a book signing and posts here I guess.
Hello Silimom :)
I did not post here yesterday to once again visit old issues. I have been told things in confidence by Polly but it is not my news to share, but suffice it to say that I did make comments on Polly's blog re Hoffman and Silimom did in fact call me out on it. I apologized then, but the fact is that the verbage I used at the time is verbage that I use where I live.
In regards to the corn maze, Polly personally knows the owners, goes there every year to visit with other locals because it is a hang out in Oct, in fact even went so far and asked for permission from the owner to be there under the circumstances, and was already there when K+8 & crew showed up. I know that "stalking" was used here on this blog and at the time I personally felt it was inappropriate but then I knew that Polly was there trying to be objective and report what she saw for her blog, what we all suspected was going on filming wise, she just confirmed it.
I was also surprised that people objected to her using the word "Gosselin" in her book title but I know that the point she was trying to make was how TLC in particular was selling the Gosselin *family* (not just the kids) in order to make a massive amount of money without taking into consideration the long term effects it would have especially on the children. There is no doubt that these kids will forever have emotional scars because their privacy was sold to entertain complete strangers, and as we all later learned that there was a pedophile who was editing all the film taken of the kids in various states of undress in their own bedrooms thanks to the 24/7 cameras.
We all know that Jon eventually took drastic steps to get his children off TV which resulted in TLC suing him for breach of contract, and now Kate is holding Jon responsible years later because her TV career is over. I will always admire Jon for getting the kids off TV even though it appears that he will forever owe TLC a chunk of change but as a father he did what he felt was best for his children. Ya just gotta love any parent who does whatever he can do to correct a mistake that he made years earlier by signing a contract when he did not have any legal representation at the time.
Which reminds me - if Kate does not drop her lawsuit because it did not get her the TV attention that she was hoping for - wouldn't it be an entertaining twist if TLC decides to hire attorneys for both Jon and Hoffman just to make sure that TLC's secrets don't come out in court? After all, TLC would have a pretty good idea if Jon can afford legal representation and they also know Kate pretty well. So if TLC even suspects that Kate will want to go forward no matter what ... yes I can see TLC might think it might make sense business wise to back Jon and Hoffman up before too much private TLC info comes out in court.
MEL - I am pretty sure that Al did not post the link on this blog as anonymous, no, that was someone who specifically wanted to stir things up. See I get "alerts" if Al posts anything Gosselin and I knew about his post 24 hours before it showed up here on 15. It just so happens that I called Polly to see what she was doing this Labor Day weekend and I mentioned that Al's snarky post was being discussed. Well she told Al and his response to her was, "what is 15?"
Oh for heaven sake, Unbelievable. I was just joking around.
JoyinVirginia #150
There are many DWTS fans who never saw TFMJG before she was partnered with Tony. Their negative opinions did not come from a book or website, it came from actions of TFMJG herself.
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IIRC I posted here on 15 during that particular season after I spoke to two strangers when I could not help overhear a conversation they were having re DWTS -- one was at an antique store and the other was at Home Depot both who were clueless re the Gosselin blogs -- and they had nothing good to say about Kate and her obvious lack of effort in trying to learn to dance but instead blamed Tony.
Yes, just another example that Kate will never look in the mirror and take responsibility for her own actions but finds it easier to blame others, especially Jon.
Which reminds me -- why is it that there are those who think that Jon would be on DWTS this upcoming season? Years ago the gal who books the stars said she would never ask Jon and I felt she was pretty adamant about it, now since the Gosselins are "old news" since K+8 was canceled two years ago ... that is until Kate filed her lawsuit last week to stay relevant and no doubt in the hope that it would help her sell her cookbook LOL
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"See I get "alerts" if Al posts anything Gosselin and I knew about his post 24 hours before it showed up here on 15."
I'm assuming that's a typo because it sounds like you're saying you got an alert and knew it was posted here.
Secondly,
"and as we all later learned that there was a pedophile who was editing all the film taken of the kids in various states of undress in their own bedrooms thanks to the 24/7 cameras."
It was my understanding that the pedo didn't edit all the film. I saw a list at one time, his iMBD I believe, and it listed the G+8 episodes he'd edited and it wasn't all of the.
Mickey, Jon called in to Rob Shuter's show and Rob tee-d up the DWTS question (not unlike Kate on Jay Leno) and asked it he'd do it, and Jon said "yes".
That, and he's probably advance further than Kate.
In honor of Labor Day, before I posted here yesterday I actually looked to see what was my last blog post and it just so happens it was about another reality TV child who I felt was being overworked/exploited and during a media blitz on several media magazine shows was acting out - Honey Boo Boo.
After all the years following the Gosselinland drama and discovering that reality TV is NOT reality ... it was the HBB fiasco that got me to stop posting.
However I do remember at the time that I knew that TLC's new star and her family must have had Kate wondering whatever happened to her TV career and how could TLC cancel her show? How could this red neck child and her family who literally have fun playing in the mud and not worry about dirty clothes push Kate and her 8 off the TV and become TLC's new favorite family?
How could Mama June replace Kate as a TLC mom to watch on a regular basis? I mean, talk about polar opposites!
Seriously I could easily visualize seeing Kate just spittin' bullets not being able to figure out how and why this mediocre family who live out in the sticks had replace her family on TLC.
Yet here we are almost a year later and I think the HBB craze is not what it was a year ago. Now I do not/have not checked the current TV ratings for this show, I'm just saying that I don't see the media blitz that I saw a year ago and I am pretty sure that the show has run its course. After all HBB is growing up and has kinda outgrown the cute kid factor which happens to all TV kids.
Another difference between June and Kate is that June knew that this was not going to be a forever thing, whereas Kate figured she would be filming her children all through high school. At least Mama June deals with reality.
HBB does seem to be fading a bit, while Duck Dynasty is white hot right now, or to phrase it in a way that Kate evidently hate, "for the moment".
DD was featured during a TV discussion recently. The TV hosts were talking about the "why" of DD's success and it's thought to be the fact that the DD family made their money through hard work, and value education.
Society doesn't owe them anything.
Something else, to me at least, is that they seem very upfront about how the show is make with re-enactments. No, it's not the realest reality show evah, but quite character driven, and they own it.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB #158
To clarify, I got 3 "alerts" last week.
The first one was after Kate filed her lawsuit and how Al, as a local who reports on local things, noted Kate was suing Jon for "whatever pennies he has left". In his post I did note that Al mentioned that a GMA producer had contacted him looking for Hoffman (the next day Hoffman updated his blog and posted an email address for media enquiries and a 15er noted the change). Another way to look at it is that this confirms Admin's post that she has reason to believe that GMA is watching to see what happens with this lawsuit.
The second alert was about re Al's post that Perez Hilton is thinking that Kate filed her lawsuit just to push her cookbook sales, and the third alert was on Saturday but it did not show up on 15 until Sunday, 24 hours after I knew about it.
So when I checked 15 yesterday morning and noted "anonymous" had posted the link just to stir things up, and when I was outside feeding my chickens I called Polly to say hi and I mentioned his link was on 15.
I just felt the right thing to do was to point out that I do not know who posted the link, but I have reason to believe it was not the person who wrote it and as such should not be accused of doing so.
Tucker's Mom
Thank you for letting me know.
IMO I believe that Jon not only has more rhythm than Kate and is willing to try new things, but unlike Kate he has a work ethic.
Kate on the other hand has been filmed many times sitting on her white plastic chair throne and barking orders ... no wonder Tony couldn't teach her any dance steps ;)
I see Diana Nyan,64, completed her lifelong dream, to swim from Cuba to Key West, Florida. Congrats to her. It was her 5th try. I just can't imagine how many platitudes her fans had to send for her to reach her goal. (sarcasm)
Kinda made me wonder how Kate's coming along with her marathon dreams.
Make that Diana Nyad, and to think I double checked the spelling! I don't have auto correct but I do have little green trolls who jump on my keys when I turn my head.
I just felt the right thing to do was to point out that I do not know who posted the link, but I have reason to believe it was not the person who wrote it and as such should not be accused of doing so.
This is what was said:
Kind of underhanded the way the link was posted here under anonymous, IMO. If someone wanted to post the link, use your regular screen name and own it.
Nothing about Al posting it. I didn't imply that Al posted it. My comment was about the poster, *whoever* that might be.
Regardless of who posted it, I still think it was underhanded.
The other part of the comment But then there wouldn't have been so many eyes on it, now would there. wasn't intend to imply anything about Al either.
I object to someone saying that I was accusing Al of anything, when I wasn't. I'd actually forgotten all about him, and Polly.
I was objecting to an anonymous post linking to a post with somewhat objectionable content.
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Mickey...nice to see you posting. I always enjoyed your posts over at Polly's blog.
MEL #166 and REMONA BLUE #29
Sorry Mel, I guess I just "lumped you" together with a post that I noted yesterday morning and just now had to find it above.
Again just to clarify, I understand how easy it would be for anyone here to easily assume that Al was the one who posted the link but until yesterday I know he did not even know re this blog so he is not the one who hid behind anonymous.
Folks we have three local authors who each have the own writing style. Of the three Al most definitely has a lot of "snark" to him, and it is very apparent in the title of his book. So you either enjoyed his writing style and the info in his book or you did not, no author can write a book that everyone is going to love especially about a subject that bloggers are still fighting about years after this stupid story was in its glory days in 2009.
Now I don't have his book in front of me, but wasn't his first line something along the lines of "this is a story about BS"? I just remember laughing when I read it and I did appreciate the information that he was trying to get out to the public.
By the way, thank you to all of you for not only remembering me from Polly's blog but also welcoming me here. Trust me when I say that it is greatly appreciated.
Mel, I was just coming in to say that I am the one that believed/assumed that Al was the one that posted the link to this blog (and still am not convinced that he didn't)...but I see that Mickey has already made that clear.
It was my understanding that the pedo didn't edit all the film. I saw a list at one time, his iMBD I believe, and it listed the G+8 episodes he'd edited and it wasn't all of the.
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That was what I remember, too. I recall thinking at the time that thank goodness, he didn't edit those episodes.
"I just felt the right thing to do was to point out that I do not know who posted the link, but I have reason to believe it was not the person who wrote it and as such should not be accused of doing so."
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I read those posts and nobody was named as the person who sent the link. Unless I missed something, no accusations were made.
"It just so happens that I called Polly to see what she was doing this Labor Day weekend and I mentioned that Al's snarky post was being discussed. Well she told Al and his response to her was, "what is 15?"
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So right away she called Al? Are you saying that Al doesn't know about this blog? As far as I am concerned, Al's post wasn't snarky. It was so far beneath snarky that snarky would have been good. It was in bad taste, plain and simple, wasn't a bit humorous and just crossed the line between what is all in fun and what shows a penchant for trash writing. Just my opinion, of course.
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Remember, Twitter and RWA are/were nothing like this blog. The "haters" were in on the game of saying things to confuse and frustrate the sheep. The fans make it easy, but they say what will get a reaction from the busybody sheeple whether it's true or not. It's a joke. No one cared if it was true. If the sheeple would react in a frenzy, it was a win.
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Oh...explains a lot. Why on earth someone would do this will always be a mystery.
Remona, we are all speculating here. If the lawsuit makes it to court, maybe the details will come out. Meanwhile, waving a white flag here. I will not respond to your posts, unless you are posting n response to mine. Most people don't respond.
You can keep the ring, but I want my Beatles album back....;-)
Interesting article worth reading on protecting child actors. Scroll down to the "Few Protections For Actors Like Honey Boo Boo," August 29. Kate and the kids are there...
http://www.marshamercer.com/
Hi Mickey, I remember you. I used to post on Polly's blog under another name. I never had an issue with her corn maze adventure. It's not like she was hiding behind a bale of hay. She had permission and simply reported what really went on with filming. So all those trips the kids took making memories were tightly scheduled drills, not casual vacation fun. When Kate says the kids miss filming, I just roll my eyes.
I never did buy Al nor Polly's book because I didn't see where there were any new insights. However, Robert's was captivating although difficult to follow.
I feel terrible for the kids with all the bad publicity, but Kate just will not go away quietly. On what planet does she think there are millions of people who still want to watch her order her kids around and crack terrible jokes? TV shows come and go and people have moved on. Instead, she continually opens up to the public her kids' lives which she believes are unique but actually no different than any other parent's. Eight kids under the age of five was interesting to watch as are anyone's baby and toddler, but tweenies are not innocent and just don't have that cute factor. Kate needs to step back and let her kids have a private life because the teenage years are rough enough. Will she? Highly doubtful.
Blue Moon said... 169
''........Are you saying that Al doesn't know about this blog?''
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Good question! That ''What is 15?'' is something that my Daddy would call too clever by half.
TLC stinks said... 171
....I feel terrible for the kids with all the bad publicity, but Kate just will not go away quietly. On what planet does she think there are millions of people who still want to watch her order her kids around and crack terrible jokes? TV shows come and go and people have moved on. Instead, she continually opens up to the public her kids' lives which she believes are unique but actually no different than any other parent's. Eight kids under the age of five was interesting to watch as are anyone's baby and toddler, but tweenies are not innocent and just don't have that cute factor. Kate needs to step back and let her kids have a private life because the teenage years are rough enough. Will she? Highly doubtful.
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"TLC stinks", I agree with your post.
And I would like to add that the Gkids are in reality LESS interesting than anyone else’s kids. Based on Kate's own tweets and blogs, the Gkids participate in less or even no activities/sports/clubs during school and summer than what my kids and all the ones I know do after school, weekends, and summer.
I could write paragraphs about some kids I know who have amazing athletic, community and faith based service, artistic, and scholastic achievements that would make any one of the Gkids look like they are underachievers and less than MEDIOCRE.
Al absolutely knows about this blog. He referenced it in posts and, I believe, tweets. IIRC he even mentioned Admin.
Just a question. Would an email "alert" show up if a person was posing anonymously? I used to get email alerts about a certain topic in the news but if there was no keyword for the alert to "see" I'd miss that article. Just curious.
Right, Luke's Mom. Her twitter is drivel and everyone has stories just like hers, and kids who are much more talented (not knocking Mady but it irks me that Kate blatantly favors her).
She had TLC glory days and a window after they cancelled the show to move forward, but it is over and it's not Jon's fault and it's not Robert's fault. If she had talent and the chops, she's be on TV right now and to blame them for her documented despicable actions proves she lives in a fantasy world. This is one time manipulating isn't going to get her what she wants. The public has had enough, which means the entertainment media is done with her.
Mickey, glad to see you posting here--hope you continue. I never posted at Polly's blog, but, for the most part, I thought she was pretty even-handed and had the local point of view.
I didn't buy Polly's book because I did think it was hypocritical of her to further her career. I know she said that it wasn't about the money, and that she didn't expect to make much on the book, considering the hours she put in. But, it did bother me. I considered that she is a mental health professional, but, IMO, I think it was the wrong choice, simply because of the appearance of a profit motive. Had she not focused on the Gs! Might have made a difference to me.
I did buy Al's book, and agree with others that it was trash. But, I knew that going in, and there was absolutely no noble cause presented as a justification. I think his writing is absolute rubbish, and Polly's alliance with him, and very obvious cross-promotion just really hurt her credibility.
However, her blog was articulate and thoughtful, and, brought a moderate point of view. The last time I read was her reaction letter to RH. I am absolutely not a fan of his, but I really didn't see that what he was doing was that different then AL's. So, again, seemed hypocritical. I am disappointed, because I really did start out with a high opinion of her. I think she made some naive moves, like appearing on the documentary, and, I think she may have also been paid by technorati--I think that there was a delay in posting on her blog until it was posted there. If I have any of the facts wrong, please correct me.
But, I knew that going in, and there was absolutely no noble cause presented as a justification. I think his writing is absolute rubbish, and Polly's alliance with him, and very obvious cross-promotion just really hurt her credibility.
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Amen.
However, her blog was articulate and thoughtful, and, brought a moderate point of view. The last time I read was her reaction letter to RH. I am absolutely not a fan of his, but I really didn't see that what he was doing was that different then AL's. So, again, seemed hypocritical. I am disappointed, because I really did start out with a high opinion of her.
Another amen.
Exactly my thoughts...
And to add to my other post...
I could write books about women I know who do more with their kids, families, community, churches, and careers than Kate. Women who cook, decorate, and entertain with more talent and imagination than the "drivel" that Kate posts and describes in her cookbook. Women who have raised more children than Kate with more love, organization, fun, and success than the "drivel" that Kate posts and tweets.
.... I could go on and on. By the way, I liked the word "drivel" that "TLC stinks" used in last post(could you tell?). It's definition perfectly descibes Kate's blogs and tweets.
Jen said... 175
Al absolutely knows about this blog. He referenced it in posts and, I believe, tweets. IIRC he even mentioned Admin.
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Yes, I remember that. I don't for one second believe that he didn't know what "15" is (or was).
I think Kate is favoring Mady because she is exactly like herself. If she were being primed for show biz, she would have been in dancing, singing, music, public speaking and more classes concentrating on the craft of being a performer. Kate must feel her kids will get acting roles just for showing up and saying, "don't you know who I am?" That is the way she rolls, and she must think that is the way the kids should roll. They are as mediocre as any other child and should be praised on their own merits. Some do well in sports, some in music, some in academics, but it does not mean a high paying career with Disney.
She is unbelievably dense when it comes to real life.
Jen said... 175
Al absolutely knows about this blog. He referenced it in posts and, I believe, tweets. IIRC he even mentioned Admin.
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Until your post I did not even know he is on twitter.
So if you say you can recall him referencing this blog then it is what it is.
I am, however, moving on from this particular issue because all I really know for sure is that even though I saw his article on Saturday I know I did NOT post a link to it as anonymous on Sunday.
OT: Labor Day report! Today Joy is in North Carolina! After fun am walk on beach and breakfast at Stack 'Em High with houseguests, all the guests headed back north. The dh and I went on an actual mini eco tour, to the Wildlife Refuge Gateway Visitor Center in Manteo. Had lovely and informative talk with volunteer there. She and her husband have an RV and travel to different parks and refuges volunteering and get to park and camp at the refuge for free. The guided bear drives thru the Alligator River NWR are done for the summer, but she told us the back roads are open for the NC dove hunting season. And she gave us map of backroads to travel where she had seen bears in last two days!
The dh and I went and drove every which way around the refuge and even did a nature tail walk. But it was mid-afternoon and all the wildlife must have been taking a nap. We saw one snake, one turtle, several salamanders, and lots of butterflies, dragonflies, and the ever unpopular biting fly!
Oh will, we are here all week and I am gonna go see me a bear! This refuge is home to largest black bear population on east coat, plus about 120 red wolves that were reintroduced into the wild at Alligator River a few years back.
We then went to Wanchese on south end of roanoke island, and had great dinner at Fishermans Wharf restaurant. Still in the Daniels family and run by one of Mrs Maude Daniels fifteen children! Fifteen, count them, fifteen! They are some kin to, well, just about everyone around here. But that's another story.
I hope everyone enjoyed Labor Day.
In the spirit of this topic, what would people think about a virtual tour of some of the historic court houses of the USA? There are some really old ones, and lots of history!
What really gets me is that Kate probably saw nothing wrong in the way she disciplined the kids. I am sure she was raised in a household that spanked.
The tragedy is that the producer and TLC mislead the public. We thought those little guys only got time outs. Little did we know how they were subjected to physical punishment and yelling by a parent with no control. I thank Robert for bringing attention to what was going on behind the scenes. She is volatile and it is amazing that even with careful editing you could see her anger towards the kids and Jon. The temperament just doesn't jive with someone who wants the hassle of a house full of kids. That's why I have always thought the multiple pregnacy was orchestrated not for love of children, but for monetary gain. It must be a bitter pill now for Kate to raise eight kids that are no longer pulling in big bucks for her. This lawsuit reeks of a last ditch effort to eliminate Jon and put the kids to work again.
TLC stinks said... 177
... This is one time manipulating isn't going to get her what she wants. The public has had enough, which means the entertainment media is done with her.
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I know that way back when the general public bought into her crying fits about Jon taking money out of her account, that she had a purse filled with unpaid bills, etc. But it was just a week or so ago that she was quoted in People magazine that she is trying to make ends meet after her show was cancelled two years ago and then last Monday she files a lawsuit in federal court?
We know Jon is judgment proof and more likely than not Robert is not sitting on millions either.
So after manipulating the public in her various pity parties over the years, I now believe that GMA and other news sources will want to determine what is it that Kate is afraid of that Jon and Hoffman have in their possession that she would go after these guys.
We all agree that her career is done, it is over, but yet Kate still filed the lawsuit which bottom line is a mother suing the father of her 8 children which ultimately will harm the kids.
Is Kate that desperate in seeking a way back into the media spotlight? Or is it really just to push sales of a cookbook?
Whatever her true motivation I am sure she was not prepared for the response she got from GMA and other new sources.
Headline: Kate desperate to find a Sugar Daddy---wants to be a prostitute like Pretty Woman:
http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2013/kate-gosselin-man-sugar-daddy-sex-pretty-woman-prostitute-twitter-0902/
Al doesn't know about this blog? Yeah right. If that's true, I got a couple of bridges spanning a canal I can sell.
"Al absolutely knows about this blog. He referenced it in posts and, I believe, tweets. IIRC he even mentioned Admin." (Jen)
That's what I remember too, and quite clearly. And ditto to all ex-Nurse's post. (178) Finally, that is a very interesting question, Tweet-le-Dee. (176)
I hate to see tattling between one blog and another. Any chance of not doing that? Or at least not reporting back here if you must tattle to other people?
I'm interested in others' perspectives on the Gosselin situation. (I'm not interested in what Mickey said that Polly said that Al said about something I wrote.)
Ex-nurse in particular...I don't always agree with her, but her comments make me consider things in a way I wouldn't have come up with on my own. Things to ponder.
Her comment about secrecy versus privacy really resonated with me.
Secrecy never being good, privacy something to be respected. Which isn't done for the Gosselin children by their mother. Sadly.
Did Kate ever tweet anything about the novella Milo wrote (the amazing golfing experience)?
Hello all! I rarely post and apologize if this has been posted already, but did anyone see the "Where are They Now?" interview Oprah did with Christopher Knight aka Peter Brady? He was sent to work in a medium his parents looked down on to support his family at the age of 10. He says he felt "prostituted" by his mother. Interesting....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/28/christopher-knight-peter-brady_n_3824796.html?utm_hp_ref=oprah-where-are-they-now&icid=maing-grid7|customfirefox|dl12|sec3_lnk1%26pLid%3D366316
Summer Days And Nights said... 182
Did Kate ever tweet anything about the novella Milo wrote (the amazing golfing experience)?
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Yes, she tweeted:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 31 Aug
@MiloandJack awwww xo... Keep on moving !!!
Just a question. Would an email "alert" show up if a person was posing anonymously? I used to get email alerts about a certain topic in the news but if there was no keyword for the alert to "see" I'd miss that article. Just curious.
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If you ask to be alerted to all posts on a certain subject or keyword you'll get an notification - or at least I used to, also. I'd imagine it would also work with anonymous posts on a specific site, but I'm not positive.
If this is in reference to Mickey saying: "See I get "alerts" if Al posts anything Gosselin and I knew about his post 24 hours before it showed up here on 15." - I believe she was referencing being alerted to a new blog being posted on Al's site about the Gosselins -- NOT an alert for something posted here at 15 Min. by anonymous.
Hi Shay Shay,
Thank you for the link to the Huffington article about Peter Brady. It was interesting!
Suzee #184
If this is in reference to Mickey saying: "See I get "alerts" if Al posts anything Gosselin and I knew about his post 24 hours before it showed up here on 15." - I believe she was referencing being alerted to a new blog being posted on Al's site about the Gosselins -- NOT an alert for something posted here at 15 Min. by anonymous.
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Correct.
Mickey ( 180) said,
"Until your post I did not even know he is on twitter."
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If you go to his blog, there's a link right there to his Twitter. He's been on there since 2008.
I have a few blogs that I'm particularly interested in set up in a reader, where I get an alert every time there is a new post.
I have both of gosselinbook's sites in there. :-)
And a few sewing blogs that are of interest. And some violin playing blogs. And some stamping blogs. Well, and some healthy cooking blogs. Oh, and a few gardening blogs. And a few blogs about dementia and caregiving.
I actually do engage in all of those activities, not just read blogs about them. Well, not the dementia. I don't engage in that so much. Just the care-giving side. FYI.
"Is Kate that desperate...."
Oh yeah, Kate is that desperate. I'm just afraid for those kids once she realizes it really is all over. It's really quite scary to think about.
capecodmama said... 189
Al doesn't know about this blog? Yeah right. If that's true, I got a couple of bridges spanning a canal I can sell.
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I'm reading back over these posts. Let's see if I have this straight. Someone (?) posts a link to Al's blog. Another person calls a friend of Al to tell her that someone linked Al's blog, and then Al's friend contacts Al to tell him that someone here linked his blog. Al asks...what is 15? A poster here has an alert set to tell her when Al posts something on his blog about the Gosselins, but doesn't know that Al is on Twitter, even though there's a link on his blog to Twitter and he's been there for five years.
Is that about it in a nut shell?
Poor Christopher Knight!
This keeps coming up over and over. Kids who don't have to support their family and don't feel pressure to pay the bills seem to handle working and fame so much better. In contrast, kids who are relied on to support the family often crumble.
Before going into this I wouldn't have guessed that was such an important factor. I would have guessed long hours away from regular school and kids your own age and a "regular" life was the problem.
Exactly Sherry Baby! Word for word, what you just said.
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