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| Jon's attorney, Shawn Tuma |
Attorney and computer fraud expert Shawn Tuma's fantastic Federal Rules of Court 12(b)(6) Motion to Dismiss can be read in full here (if the link doesn't work trying reading the mirror on our site). Tuma rips Kate's initial complaint to bits, explaining why the lawsuit fails on multiple grounds, including statute of limitations, and accusations the lawsuit is a fishing expedition and doesn't come anywhere close to meeting all the elements of the various causes of action alleged.
"The timeline of the case is straightforward. In 2009, Plaintiff was aware of allegations that “Jon Gosselin 'hacked' into her e-mails, phone, and online accounts,” she was profoundly disturbed by them, and she was “carefully considering all of her legal options regarding this matter, and she [would] pursue them if and when the time is right."5 Now, roughly four years later, Plaintiff has apparently determined that the time is right. Indeed, the Complaint was filed one month prior to the release of her new cookbook. However, all of Plaintiff’s claims, except for the Identity Theft claim, are governed by a statute of limitations of two years or less and are time-barred. These seven claims should be dismissed with prejudice."
445 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 445 Newer› Newest»"The motion doesn't say whether the entire computer was disposed of or not, or if there is an existing computer somewhere that has the files."
What difference would it make whether the CPU was disposed of? The hard drive has all the data. (And why would someone through away a CPU if the HD went bad?) I would also assume the data doesn't exist on another PC somewhere, or else he would what would have been the need for the backup on disk?
Kate is a twit said... 199
Kate's lawsuit, in the Preliminary Statement, includes the line:
"Kate Gosselin is a single mother raising 8 children".
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Kate is co-raising 8 children with Jon. I wish I could say co-parenting, but that's just not what they're doing, sadly.
Vanessa, I think that could be interpreted as TFMJG keeps getting fish and causing them to have untimely demises!
Interesting post by Kim Weiss on Facebook this morning.
Kim Weiss
8 hours ago near Ocean Ridge, FL
Someone, please remind me NOT to look at my work email before bed. Argh.
Poor kids. Now that it's out in the open that kids told Jon about the discs, will there be a reprise of Globegate? Which kid might look the "most guilty" this time?
That being said, one has to wonder what the emotional toll will be when all is said and done.
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I'm sure the toll will be high - but this has been going on since nearly Day 1 for the sextuplets. They were part of a reality tv show since they were babies. That alone will take a toll. Then their parents were constantly fighting, and loved family members and friends would disappear from their lives because Kate would banish them. Their parents fought constantly.
Then the ugly divorce. Not to mention Kate's temper, unrealistic expectations and lack of any material instincts. Dragged hither and yon by their mother. Probably constantly being told their father is worthless. Having to constantly appease their mother and walk on eggshells. Frequent "spankings" with various implements.
This lawsuit is only one in a long string of craziness that has following these children for most of their lives, and most of it instigated by Mommy Dearest. Jon has no other option but to respond.
I, too, love LHOP. :) The episode where Mrs. Garvey and Mary's baby died in the fire broke my heart. On a trip to CA, we detoured to Simi Valley to see where it was filmed...yes, I ran down the hill. :)
In this day and age, making fun of a man who is working hard is really going to backfire on Ms. Mediocre.
Ex Nurse said...
What is not explained is how Jon would have had access to the hard drive, after he had vacated the apartment.
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It is explained.
"On June 22, 2009, Kate filed for divorce. After Kate filed for divorce, Jonathan moved out of the family home and into an apartment above the garage of the family home (the “Apartment”); Jonathan left the Dell Computer in the family home for continued use by his children. Jonathan was still permitted access to the family home during this time. On or about April 2010, Jonathan observed the hard drive of the Dell Computer was failing so he performed a backup of it and stored the data on DVD disks."
He made two backup dvds, one for himself and one for his former wife.
It doesn't say whether or not he told her he had made one for her, but she wouldn't have heard anything he said anyway. She wanted him out. Maybe he didn't and just left it on the desk, but not his fault if she threw it out.
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Ex Nurse said...But, since she did give him the courtesy of a call to make sure he didn't want anything left behind in the apartment, maybe they were trying to cooperate as best they could.
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I find it hard to believe the phone conversation was courteous. We heard many times how she spoke to him while they were married. I can just imagine how she spoke to him after she filed for the divorce. It sends chills up my spine.
Kate had better not be tampering with Jon's witnesses. They should be in the Witness Protection Program.
The terms "disc" and "drive" are semi-interchangeable. A "drive" contains discs, which act as the media on which the data is recorded. A "disc" can be either a hard drive (older term) or removable media like cds and dvds. Backups are usually made to removable media.
Techies use the both terms.
FYI
A Retired Techie
Remona (189) Hope you are on your way to the appointment by now. I also remember Kate having a laptop on a road trip for the show, maybe on the Disney trip or the first beach trip when they were looking at property along the way. Maybe the laptop was "hers" and the desk top was "his" even though they shared? That's how it is at my house, at least. We have a few devices to share, but the desktop is in the man cave and the laptop sits at my chair in the living room. Our music and picture/video files are stored on hubby's desktop because it can hold more data.
ExNurse (198) I may be mistaken, but Jon was still allowed "on property" after the divorce, and may have spent some of his custodial time with the kids at the house, even after finding another place. So if the Dell in question was left with the kids, for example, Jon may still have had access. Also, considering the age of the computer and his expertise, Kate may actually have wanted him to keep it running for the kids' use and specifically granted him access to the computer. According to him, she would have known he already had the backup discs, so there would be no harm in him getting on, unless she was using it herself for banking or emails. I doubt that though, because as Remona mentioned, Kate had her laptop.
Jon's version is just so plausible, and is how I would handle a marital computer if I were divorcing. Nothing he said makes me scratch my head wondering why he did something in a weird or convoluted way. This was his computer as much, perhaps even more than, Kate's. Her allegation of hacking is stupid to my way of thinking. I would not think my husband was hacking my computer or stealing my identity if he logged into his own computer. Even if he used my passwords to see a bank account or check on emails- he knows my passwords because he is my husband and I am not hiding anything from him. Also, step number one if I were divorcing would be to change all my log-in information so he couldn't nose around my information, no matter what computer he was using. That's one thing with the hacking into her accounts part that doesn't make sense to me; Jon would not have to use Kate's computer to access any online account. That could be done from anywhere and he probably knew her passwords (if she hadn't bothered to change them).
Ex Nurse said... 198
...I find it hard to believe that Jon could just walk in the house, go to the family computer, and remove the hard drive. Or, that TFW would call him to deal with the hard drive.
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For a while there, they traded off weeks in the house. It was the "kids' house". So when TFW was there, she had the master bedroom and the house. When Jon was there, he had the garage apartment and the house because he watched the kids the alternative weeks he was there.
I don't doubt that TFW also left a list of stuff he was supposed to do (or not do) while there, including fixing the broken computer.
How many blog posts can you write about fish? And who cares?
TFW really needs some careful coaching before her upcoming media interviews. Her crapbook is way less interesting than her ex's recently filed suit for dismissal of her ridiculous lawsuit. Under oath is a catchy phrase.
Oops. That last post of mine was really long. Sorry about that. Just an FYI, DListed and Huffington Post are both carrying the story of Jon waiting tables for work. Neither article paints Jon in a bad light. In fact, the HuffPo heading you click on to go the the whole story asks Is this what happens to forgotten stars? (paraphrased).
Complete speculation and wishful thinking, but wouldn't it be lovely if someone offered Jon a really great job?
Ex Nurse said...But, since she did give him the courtesy of a call to make sure he didn't want anything left behind in the apartment, maybe they were trying to cooperate as best they could.
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I find it hard to believe the phone conversation was courteous. We heard many times how she spoke to him while they were married. I can just imagine how she spoke to him after she filed for the divorce. It sends chills up my spine.
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Agree. Anything but courteous, and I really doubt that she was trying to cooperate, especially if it's true that she made a call to the police. That's hardly cooperating with your soon-to-be ex-spouse.
Also, step number one if I were divorcing would be to change all my log-in information so he couldn't nose around my information, no matter what computer he was using. That's one thing with the hacking into her accounts part that doesn't make sense to me; Jon would not have to use Kate's computer to access any online account. That could be done from anywhere and he probably knew her passwords (if she hadn't bothered to change them).
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Excellent point. When Jon was accused of "stealing" money, this is how I think he did it. He transferred funds over to another account all the while KNOWING the passwords etc. Frankly he was in the right. A friend of mine was blindsided by her husband when he told her he wanted a divorce and that he was in love with someone else. She IMMEDIATELY took HALF of the liquid assets out of their JOINT accounts and opened up another personal account. Smartest thing she could have ever done . I would love to know how/why Jon had to "repay" what was rightfully his?
I, too, love LHOP. :) The episode where Mrs. Garvey and Mary's baby died in the fire broke my heart. On a trip to CA, we detoured to Simi Valley to see where it was filmed...yes, I ran down the hill. :)
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I read this as IHOP and thought...gosh, some chocolate pancakes would hit the spot right now!
I'm sure the toll will be high - but this has been going on since nearly Day 1 for the sextuplets. They were part of a reality tv show since they were babies. That alone will take a toll. Then their parents were constantly fighting, and loved family members and friends would disappear from their lives because Kate would banish them. Their parents fought constantly.
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Do kids become resilient to this way of life after awhile? It's all they have ever known. I wonder if they just think that this is the way it is with most families, and they just shrug their shoulders and accept it.
Jen said... 2
"The motion doesn't say whether the entire computer was disposed of or not, or if there is an existing computer somewhere that has the files."
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What difference would it make whether the CPU was disposed of?
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Maybe none. Wasn't he accused of stealing the hard drive? We now know that it was inside a desktop computer, not a portable hard drive. If he took the computer, with TFW's knowledge into the apartment, why would she say it was stolen at all? Nowhere does it say that the whole computer was taken. I find that odd, that's all.
And I didn't say her call was courteous. I said that she gave a courtesy call before getting rid of the stuff. That surprised me.The motion said that a short time later, after April 10th, the drive failed, and that Jon then destroyed it. The fact that he was allowed into the house after he vacated the apartment surprised me, too. Certainly discredits RH's description of that dark and stormy night. Sure didn't seem like Jon would be in the house for any reason, let alone dealing with a failing computer. If Jon had had possession of that computer for personal use, I think that would have been made clear because how could he be accused of stealing it? I'm quite sure that Jon, circa 2009, had a laptop, and, probably a damn good one. Sorry, this part just doesn't compute. He was buying cars, living in NYC and jet-setting. But, he has to use a castoff desktop? That is why I asked that question.
Not so long ago, people were insisting that Jon had absolutely nothing to do with the disks. Now we know that he did. And, still, people pounce on someone's complete speculation that he must have had it in the garage with him, assert it as fact, and then become annoyed when another possibility exists. It just isn't logical. I can understand that people don't care, or feel like anything he may have done is justified. I just don't understand attacking me or anyone because they feel that it doesn't quite add up. If you don't agree with the logic, then refute it.
For the kids' sakes, I hope this motion will put an end to it, once and for all. Obviously, RH is not going to rethink putting out the book, so, it still won't be over for them. Hopefully, he will have cleaned it up and taken his personal snark out. If any good will come of it, it has to be well-written, with commentary limited to providing some context. His taunting behavior is childish and immature. I sincerely doubt that his latest video is part of some scathingly brilliant plan.
Re ROL: Of course they have, saying Jon is playing "dirty" by bringing the kids into this. He just said that the kids told him that Kate threw the trash out. But now, he's the bad guy?
Since when is answering a lawsuit with the truth considered playing dirty? Plus, they couldn't have told Jon anything if there was nothing to tell. Imagine how traumatizing it must have been for them to hear her tell of, or witness her actually throwing Jon's things out in the trash.
I thought maybe ROL's position might have moved a little towards center since David Perel left, but it looks like Alexis Tereszcuk is the anointed TFW slanted writer there now.
So when is Kate going to inform her tweeties about her latest "Fish Story"?
And I'm not talking about the lawsuit.
Sherry Baby said... 19
Do kids become resilient to this way of life after awhile? It's all they have ever known. I wonder if they just think that this is the way it is with most families, and they just shrug their shoulders and accept it.
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I think it depends on the kid. Of the Gosselin children, it's Colin that I feel most sad for. He tried so hard when he was a little boy to please his mother, and all he got in return was misery. Whenever I see a picture of him, he seems detached.
However, the saving grace is they do have their father, and when they are with him, access to other loving family members. So I think that's what will provide them with some form of antidote to their toxic mother.
Children don't need perfect parents. But they do need to feel loved and accepted and cared for. I think Jon provides that to the best of his extent.
For God's sake Milo like KK promote her own coupon site.
Sorry Ex Nurse, you are correct. You didn't say it was a courteous call you said she gave him the courtesy of a call. I read courtesy as she was polite enough to give him a call.
I'll put it another way then. I doubt she called him out of politeness.
I'm sure he did have his own laptop in the garage apartment. The desktop was still in the main house where he was allowed to be when she was gone.
The kids can't even have fish without the world knowing. Kate thinks it's a big deal that she "let" Mady name one of the fish. What parents insist on selecting pet names? Kids should be able to agree on a name. My gosh!
Kate sounds so damn entitled, too. So basically the kids did nothing but swim in their pool all summer long. Wow! And they slept in late all the time. Wow!
I can smell the bs from here.
Another Robert post....frank Sinatra...the end is near....I did it my way!!
From the US magazine inerview:
""I don't have a relationship with Kate. There is no relationship. Text and email. That's it," Gosselin told Anderson, noting that it's been that way for four years. The two don't even cross paths when Gosselin goes to pick up their children. "The nanny comes out and I exchange the kids at her gate or at the bus stop," he explained. "I don't physically see her."
Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jon-gosselin-says-he-doesnt-pay-child-support-has-no-relationship-with-ex-wife-kate-gosselin-2013199#ixzz2fNPSMaOg
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Uh.... if Kate does it all by herself, since she's said she doesn't "employ" a nanny anymore, then, who exactly does the transfer of the kids?
That would be the nanny, you lying liar!
How much hatred does Kate have to vow never to see Jon face to face? That's some serious, scathing hatred.
This woman is kissing 40 years of age and she acts like a bratty teenager. Grow up.
Two new postings on ET about Jon. The first one is an article, the second is a short video with more of Jon at the restaurant. Neither have anything about the lawsuit, but they may be saving that for the show tonight.
http://www.etonline.com/news/138608_Exclusive_Jon_Gosselin_Doesn_t_Interact_with_Kate/
http://www.etonline.com/news/138618_Jon_Gosselin_Waiting_Tables_Bartending_at_Black_Dog_in_Pennsylvania/
My opinion; those kids will not have a moment of mental health until a therapist helps them say good bye to their mother for good.
Woe is me, summer's over.Happens every year. Kate's bog is way over the top. At least no more risk of 'sammynella' poisoning with her 'grilling specialties" Why does she thing Mady, age 13, naming a fish Fizzy, is soo cute? The bog starts complaining about summer's end, then ends up talking about the new fish?
So Jon and Robert's accounts don't quite jibe. I think this points to a total lack of collusion on their part. Robert told what he knew of what he heard and saw on the night he helped Jon move. Kate said she would throw out everything that was left. The next day there was a big pile of stuff on the side of the road. Robert would not know if all the the material on the roadside came from the garage or not. TFW and friend might well have done a sweep of the mansion and discarded anything that they considered Jon's. Does it really matter what came from where? How would Robert know of Jon having a private conversation with TFW about the disposal of his belongings? I'm just not seeing this as a headbanger set of discrepancies.
It's a bit counterintuitive, but slight variations in stories can be a good thing. It shows you didn't sit down together and say ok so what's our story gonna be?
mel, franky, Auntie Ann and Tucker's Mom...thanks for the tips re: colic. My grandaughter is on formula and the pediatrician switched her to a non-milk based one and she's much happier.
Glad Jon has good representation. Nothing more to add as everyone here has said it so well. Will agree that Shawn Tuma is rather dishy.
ITA, Admin. Their stories are slightly different. That's normal. And we have all experienced a dying hard drive. You make back up copies. When the hard drive croaks, you remove it, destroy it, and replace with a new hard drive. Jon had the family computer and obviously he took it with him since Kate had a lap top. She's such a POS.
Husbands and wives share passwords too.
TFW has TV show appearances.
TFW has a new cookbook coming out.
TFW has a book tour.
TFW filed a lawsuit seeking publicity.
Jon Gosselin is trending on yahoo.
Karma?
I wish Jon would refrain from these types of interviews. I know he means well but he really tends to overshare and he never acquits himself very well. The gossip sites then piece and parse his words in ways that really discredit him. He should know this by now.
It's time for him to let Team Tuma do the talking in the only place it really matters, the legal briefs and the courtroom. Jon should go to lunch and vent to family or trusted friends if he feels so inclined.
Maribeth said... 30
My opinion; those kids will not have a moment of mental health until a therapist helps them say good bye to their mother for good.
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What would it take to get psychological exams for each of the kids? I wonder because I think some judge has to mandate that Jon and Kate get a mediator and undergo counseling so that they can finally co parent together.
I can't imagine the anxiety the children must feel, knowing that their parents loathe on another. That they love the parent that the other parent hates. That's got to take a mental toll.
Wowser said... 27
Another Robert post....frank Sinatra...the end is near....I did it my way!!
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I know I'm in the minority but I love Robert's teasers! They make my day. Just think about how Kate has tortured her kids, ex and family. And think about how Kate tortures and teases her six fans on Twitter. Turnabout is fair play. #TeamRobert
Tucker's Mom said... 26
The kids can't even have fish without the world knowing. Kate thinks it's a big deal that she "let" Mady name one of the fish. What parents insist on selecting pet names? Kids should be able to agree on a name. My gosh!
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And everybody cheered!!!!
IT'S A FISH, Kate. Pull yourself together.
She's so childish when it comes to naming pets. She gets them puppies for Christmas, but doesn't allow them to name the dogs. She probably named the fish because it's the boys' fish and of course the boys are incapable of coming up with a name that starts "F".
I bet they'll come up with a dandy F-name for her some day.
"I wish Jon would refrain from these types of interviews. I know he means well but he really tends to overshare and he never acquits himself very well."
I think it's a fair bet that he would not be making these appearances if they were not OK'ed by his attorney.
Uh.... if Kate does it all by herself, since she's said she doesn't "employ" a nanny anymore, then, who exactly does the transfer of the kids?
That would be the nanny, you lying liar!
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He says in the article that it's the nanny. I'd certainly believe what he says rather than what she says. She's so full of it. She does it all herself. Sure she does.
I love that he outs her as having a nanny. So much for poor single mom with eight kids. A statement that had absolutely nothing to do with anything in her brief but she put it in their anyway as a cheap shot at sympathy. She used the kids, not him. I also love that he gives the woman caring for their children the respect she deserves. She is not a babysitter, the hired help, mommy's helper, that girl who comes over for homework. She is the NANNY. Thanks Jon.
Kate herself said that she has help at least once a week.
I wonder what her fans think "help" mean when she said that.
I don't like that he does interviews but at this point I think he's just doing it to make Kate squirm. She has a way of squirming herself straight into a ditch and he knows it. In fact I think she already has. The picture of her seething over him getting publicity is funny as long as she doesn't take it out on the kids.
I saw Jon's interview on ET. The lawsuit was mentioned in a voiceover, and when asked directly "Did you hack Kate's computer", he said that he couldn't legally talk about it. I'm glad that he didn't talk about the case. Good for him.
Also, at the end they did mention that he filed a Motion to Dismiss.
I knew Kate was playing word games again when People reported that Kate said she no longer "employs" a nanny.
I don't employ cleaners, but they do clean my house twice a month. Wink, wink.
I think he does the interviews for the money, but he never does himself any favors. He will never be able to win in that arena.
Kate really needs to find a new word besides "squeal". I never want to hear that word again for the rest of my life.
The sheeple, bless their hearts, are still arguing over the child support issue. I guess there is nothing one could do to help them to understand that CS goes through the courts and a judge makes the decision to enforce already existing support or allow it to be dropped. Kate could not, out of supreme acts of kindness, tell Jon that he doesn't have to pay support.
Jon's Motion to dismiss explains about the DVD back ups...
"Once the divorce was final, Jonathan was required to move from the Apartment; Kate
continued living in the family home.
When Jonathan moved from the Apartment, he left Kate’s copy of the backup DVDs in the Apartment in a box along with other items he believed Kate
would want. He informed Kate that the DVDs were in the box.
The following day Kate called Jonathan and asked if he would be returning for any other items left in the Apartment and he responded that he was not and she could discard the items as she saw fit.
The children told Jonathan that Kate (and a friend of hers) threw away in the trash everything left behind in the Apartment.
Jonathan has not wrongfully access any computer, online accounts, or telephone
belonging to Kate—it is far more plausible that Kate herself threw out the DVDs in the trash.
Shortly thereafter, the hard drive of the Dell Computer failed. Jonathan destroyed that
hard drive in a manner consistent with his training by taking it apart, removing the physical disk...."
So, everyone... I see no discrepancy between Jon's story or Robert's. The MTD doesnt fill in every detail and that is okay. When Jon moved out of the apartment, it could have been a dark and stormy night. The police could have been called.
I seem to recall that Robert said he went back to the residence at a later time and picked up the bags of trash from beside the road. Later could mean , that night, the next day , a week a month...but likely befor ethe next trash pick up day) I got the sense that he might have been picking up their trash for a while.
The first few paragrapsh give Jon's timeline. It's Jons MTD, not Roberts. Why would JOn need to mention about Robert getting the DVD's?
Anyways, people were speculating on when where who, etc. To me the only thing not clear, is where the computer was after Jon moved out of the apartment. I am going to think that because it isnt mentioned, it remained in the family home for the kids to use.
Also, as for TFW blog about fish....
Most people let ALL their kids pick a name for the fish. Why did Kate get to pick the name for one fish, and Mady the name for the other?
I know kate would say t would just be CHAOS trying to all pick one name, but hey classroom full of 30 kids do this all of the time.
It teaches negotiation and working together as a team in a fun way. Not just when it comes to chores.
I don't like that he does interviews but at this point I think he's just doing it to make Kate squirm. She has a way of squirming herself straight into a ditch and he knows it. In fact I think she already has. The picture of her seething over him getting publicity is funny as long as she doesn't take it out on the kids.
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I bet she was on seething overload when she read the Motion. I hope she has her attorney on her Friends and Family Plan or she's going to be way over her minutes this month!
Yes, apparently the kids are still squealing. Between showing them with stuffed animals and squealing, I bet they get teased.
Lalalalala said... 39
''....I know I'm in the minority but I love Robert's teasers! They make my day. Just think about how Kate has tortured her kids, ex and family. And think about how Kate tortures and teases her six fans on Twitter. Turnabout is fair play. #TeamRobert''
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Lalalalala...come over and sit by me. I also love watching Robert poke at that useless piece of work, TFMJG! #TeamRobert for me too!
Auntie Ann said "Poor thing, her stars must be falling out of alignment".
You mean they aren't pink stars falling in lines, AA?
Jen said... 41
''I think it's a fair bet that he would not be making these appearances if they were not OK'ed by his attorney.''
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I agree that Jon's appearances are done with the approval of his attorney. Jon has been very very quiet for a long time, and I feel sure that if his attorney had told him to be silent, he has shown that he is able to keep his mouth shut.
A blurb about Kate's appearance on Katie next Wednesday from Katie Couric's site:
"Katie is dropping in on former reality TV star Kate Gosselin and her family! What’s it like raising 8 kids? She’s now a cookbook author who’s even showing Katie the ropes!Plus, Julianne Moore and the cast of “Days of Our Lives!”
So is Kate going to demonstrate her fantastic cooking expertise for Katie? I wonder what she'll make.
At least the whole hour is not going to be devoted to Kate.
Kate can't even let their first day of school be about just that. She has to steal the kid's thunder and buy fish!
I guess there is nothing one could do to help them to understand that CS goes through the courts and a judge makes the decision to enforce already existing support or allow it to be dropped.
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I sometimes wonder if they are really as dumb as they present themselves to be, or if they pretend to be ignorant to annoy the heck out of the "haters."
Kate really needs to find a new word besides "squeal". I never want to hear that word again for the rest of my life.
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It does tend to grate on the nerves, doesn't it? Along with YUM, YAY and DELISH!
I bet they'll come up with a dandy F-name for her some day.
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That was a Rumspringa out the nose if there ever was one!
On her bog post, Kate writes that she named the male beta fish Finnley Fire-Finn for short. That's all she said about his name.
But when a fan points out that Finn was the name of Cory Monteith's character on Glee, Kate changes her story.
Lauren @ljohnson2006 1h
@Kateplusmy8 Finn was also a character on Glee. He was played by Cory Monteith. #gonetoosoon
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 9m
@ljohnson2006 omg! That's right! I miss Cory! I had the honor of working w/ him..wonderful warm& friendly guy!So so sad! #fishnamedinhonor
How can she say she named the fish in his honor, when she forgot that his character's name was Finn? Just another way to remind people that she worked ONE TIME with him.
Does anyone remember if their very first beta fish was Mady's also? I seem to remember something like that. So if it is true is it favoritism towards Mady or do not a single one of the other 7 kids want a fish of their own? With that many kids I would invest in a nice 20 gallon tank and get several fish so they each got one as their own.
Maybe I am remembering wrong though.
How many people have been able to tell TFW that she can't have things her way just because she wants it? Mr. Shawn Tuma just told her - and her attorney - it doesn't work that way. Even the Queen of England has heard the word NO before. TFW has now been told that wishing doesn't make it so.
You know, what I would really love to see is the judge tossing out her lawsuit as so poorly executed it rises to the level of frivolous. Of course that will not happen just because I would like to see it happen. See TFW? We all have to hear the word NO.
Someone has tweeted that Robert's attorney is the famous trial lawyer, Martin Garbus. How do they know that?
Twit . . . She's an accomplished liar. Its like breathing to her.
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There's a tweet saying RH's lawyer is Martin Garbus. Has this been confirmed? I really don't
want
to start a rumor but the tweeter has always been depemdable. if true, Razzy must be curled up in the fetal position.
What’s it like raising 8 kids?
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I imagine like raising two kids only times four. Good grief. Hundreds of thousands of families have raised eight or more children over the years. Large families used to be the norm. Having only one or two kids is a NEW thing.
THEE Martin Garbus??
Oh sh&%!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePYzX1jnbjo
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Lalalalala said... 39
''....I know I'm in the minority but I love Robert's teasers! They make my day. Just think about how Kate has tortured her kids, ex and family. And think about how Kate tortures and teases her six fans on Twitter. Turnabout is fair play. #TeamRobert''
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Lalalalala...come over and sit by me. I also love watching Robert poke at that useless piece of work, TFMJG! #TeamRobert for me too!
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I think it's quite funny she taunts her fans and Robert taunts her.
I'm sure Kate is scratching her head. Here she is fighting tooth and nail for even a 350 buck blog post. She has to slave over writing a cookbook and even sue her children's father just to scrounge up a few appearances and a satellite radio "tour" in her PJs.
And there's Jon just dum-de-dum WAITING TABLES and he's done some kind of media thing every day for days now. He even made the AOL scrolling stories today. LOL. It must kill her this is all just sort of happening for him seemingly without trying.
I think it's quite funny she taunts her fans and Robert taunts her.
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I don't find it funny but I will admit this, she asked for it. She taunts too worse than anyone.
Kate teases constantly. Bullyville taunts. Go figure.
Maybe Kate's not-a-nanny also doubles as the housekeeper. So in Kate's mind, she no longer employs a 'nanny'. Perhaps she fired the staff and hired a new housekeeper/nanny to work fast and "always be running!" Said help then assumed the responsibility of wearing both hats, because Kate no longer has the means to employ 2 weekly workers. Just a thought. Let's face it- Purse Boy is long gone. It will be interesting to see who the hired handler is, during her upcoming world-wide cookbook tour.
Auntie, 40 -- you have me guessing "f" names. f......unny comment.
I agree about the taunting thing. Hey, its better than being locked in a crate for hours (like the dogs).
Marie
THEE Martin Garbus??
Oh sh&%!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePYzX1jnbjo
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I'm holding my breath hoping its true and not some out of control twitter rumor.
Wow, here's to Robert getting a jackass attorney!
Marie
By the way you guys make my chuckle sort of bashfully admitting you have the hots for Jon's lawyer. LOL.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 70
THEE Martin Garbus??
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Good gawd! Yes, THEE one and only! LOL!! Could this be true?
Bitchy Pants said... 56
Auntie Ann said "Poor thing, her stars must be falling out of alignment".
You mean they aren't pink stars falling in lines, AA?
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ha. Not any more.The colors are changing and they're re-aligning.They're telling her she's overstayed her 15 minutes and she should move on.
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capecodmama - that is really good news. Now they can relax and get some rest. And you, too!
Is it possible to search those very cool legal databases and see if RH filed a motion?
LOL . . . Not "jackass". "Kickass" attorney. Dang auto correct.
Marie
Jane said... 78
THEE Martin Garbus??
Oh sh&%!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePYzX1jnbjo
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I'm holding my breath hoping its true and not some out of control twitter rumor.
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Can someone help me out here? I've no idea what this means and I did see the video.
Thanks!
Tucker hehe no deep meaning to it it's just a cute chipmunk who drops his little piece of food in shock.
PatK said... 66
Someone has tweeted that Robert's attorney is the famous trial lawyer, Martin Garbus. How do they know that?
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Who tweeted that?
I bet she was on seething overload when she read the Motion
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I doubt she slogged her way through a 40 page motion or could even begin to understand it but I bet she understand it enough to know someone is trying to tell her NO. So that made her seething for sure.
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@ReneeAudric: @kateplusmy8 Robert Hoffman's lawyer is Martin Garbus. THE Martin Garbus. Time mag calls him "legendary" http://t.co/zUVEbAZvyW Ur screwed
This is the tweeter who, I believe, tweeted about the motion to dismiss.
Jane, thanks. I'd sure like to know where she got that information.
Oh, ok, so Martin Garbus seems to be a legendary lawyer and perhaps Robert has retained him.
Hmmm.... if true, the playing field has been leveled...
Where was this info found...Martin Garbus? If it's true, then oh.my.gosh. I'll believe it when it's confirmed! The man has been around forever. He has to be in his late 70s.
Kate would be shaking in her boots about now. What's really funny is a few days ago one of the sheep tweeted, sarcastically, that Robert should get an attorney!
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Jane, thanks. I'd sure like to know where she got that information.
Yes, as would I. Perhaps Robert will let us know. The videos he's been posting lead me to believe .... Hope .... It might be true. Or perhaps he has other really competent counsel.
Just checking in, but I am so glad that Jon finally has a decent attorney. I read the 26 pages, a lot of the argument seems to be common sense. Totally believe as the lawyer mentioned, this case was submitted one month before the release of her "cook book" all for publicity to keep her name out there. Has she reached 600 hundred in sales yet? Don't think so. Maybe 6 -10 a day, all at the expense of her childrens' father. Karma is going to bite her in the butt big time.
I read the 26 pages, a lot of the argument seems to be common sense
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Sometimes there's no big secret to winning a case other than trying to convince the court that doing what you want is just simple common sense.
I have seen the term used by others and used the term common sense myself. It works.
NaughtyButNiceRob has an article saying Martin Garbus IS Robert's lawyer, and that he filed his answer to the lawsuit this afternoon. I hope someone can find a copy of the document.
http://www.naughtybutnicerob.com/kate-gosselin-gets-ready-for-the-biggest-fight-of-her-life/
Let's face it- Purse Boy is long gone. It will be interesting to see who the hired handler is, during her upcoming world-wide cookbook tour.
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If Steve's free and not working with someone else during that time, why wouldn't he continue his role as RC?
Naughty Nice Rob is confirming its Garbus
http://www.naughtybutnicerob.com/kate-gosselin-gets-ready-for-the-biggest-fight-of-her-life/
Wowowowow! Well played Robert.
Excerpt from NBNR's article:
Hoffman has hired a great lawyer, who filed his answer to the suit this afternoon.
Legendary attorney Martin Garbus representing Robert Hoffman, author of KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD in upcoming Federal lawsuit.
“Martin Garbus is one of the country’s leading trial lawyers. He aggressively represents his commercial and criminal clients in both the courts and the public media. Marty Garbus has appeared before the United States Supreme Court as well as trial and appellate courts throughout the nation, in over 100 cases,” Hoffman tells NAUGHTY BUT NICE ROB. “Martin Garbus has diverse litigation experience including copyright, intellectual property, commercial, corporate, criminal defense, First Amendment, free speech, estates, class action, entertainment, libel, and Internet law.”
So it looks like Robert, himself, gave the info to NBNR.
Naughty but nice Rob has confirmed that Grab us is Robert's attorney. Yay! Suck it Kate!
Marie
Oh.....sh&T.
Syas he filed his motion today too. Wonder where it is. Anyone?
She's an idiot. An absolute idiot. She has such a big delusional head she actually thinks no one will EVER try to get the best attorneys in the country and TAKE HER DOWN. This thought never even was a possibility for her. But yeah keep tweeting about beta fish.
He's argued in front of the Supreme Court. Most attorneys will never argue in their state Supreme Court let alone ever dream of getting all the way to the SC. Even if you filed in the SC it would never be heard.
This cannot get any better. PASS THE POPCORN.
The article on DListed.com about Jon's new 'Rock Bottom' life, is one of the kindest I have ever read on their site. DListed is notorious for ripping celebs a new one, and they took a pass this time on Jon Gosselin. Just one excerpt from the story...
Courtesy- DListed.com
"Okay, who in the hell is saying that Jon hit rock bottom because he’s waiting tables and living in a cabin in the woods? Let’s see, Jon is working a job and when he goes to his peaceful cabin in the woods, he gets to snuggle with a deer (???) instead of hearing his child army screech as Kate Gosselin gnaws on the raw area where his nuts used to be. Jon’s current day life is the opposite of rock bottom."
The bigger story is-- what Boobs (pun totally intended) Kate, her attorneys, and BullyVille are now that Tuma put the smack down on them. Keep tweeting about fish, Kate. It's so TFW to deflect from the real issues. Fish!! !!!!!! (Squealing with delight). F-off, lying liar who lies.
Something tells me- the kids told Jon about the trash haul, because they know exactly who they are dealing with in TFW. When they were toddlers, the look of fear on their faces during one of Kate's "episodes" on any given episode, spoke volumes.
Anybody else notice that Goody has disappeared off Twitter?
Marie
What's really funny is a few days ago one of the sheep tweeted, sarcastically, that Robert should get an attorney!
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I think he just did! The sheeple have no idea who the attorney is...it's obvious that they have never heard of him. What fun!
I haven't posted in a LONG time....I was the one who saw in my local paper the TLC employee snared for child porn. Anyway, does anyone have a sinking fear that J&K are in cahoots with the burst of press about both of them? Hope it's not true, just a gut feeling.
Lalaland
I keep thinking about when BV threatened to out me until I apologized for some post from years ago everyone had forgotten about. And then the apology was never even acknowledged by Kate the person it was supposed to be TO. Did she even see it?? They won the battle, but looks like they're gonna lose the war.
He started this whole thing with her and look what resulted. Judgement issues. You have to have good judgement when aligning yourself with people or next thing you know two of the absolute top experts in the country are battling you. What a massive, massive mistake.
Lalala thank you for noticing that way back then. We don't get to be the first to break many stories though I try to be quick when they happen, but we were first to break that story thanks to you and IMDB (other than local outlets who hadn't figured out the Gosselin connection yet.)
I have a feeling the insider who is giving us a heads up has good access to the docket. (Which is public record). Maybe they either work in the courts or are just refreshing their screen all the time. IT would have shown up on there who his attorney is.
I never did figure out how to access it. To be truthful I gave up, the site is too much for me. :)
Holy sh*tters, pass the popcorn, the rumspringa and some Milk Duds. Oh, and make sure you put a surprise at the bottom of my popcorn bag!
Anonymous said... 98
''I haven't posted in a LONG time....I was the one who saw in my local paper the TLC employee snared for child porn. Anyway, does anyone have a sinking fear that J&K are in cahoots with the burst of press about both of them? Hope it's not true, just a gut feeling.''
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There is no way on earth that Jon and TFMJG are ''in cahoots''. I think maybe your gut is telling you that you have a tummy ache.
I feel like doing a post that just says "Oh #@*($&!"
Oh and the Richest Man in walnut Grove is so cheesy but I love it. It's a beautiful wholesome hour of T.V. about a family pulling together and the value of hard work. But in later years when the mime raped Sylvia that kind of creeped me out.
Jane said... 95
Naughty Nice Rob is confirming its Garbus
http://www.naughtybutnicerob.com/kate-gosselin-gets-ready-for-the-biggest-fight-of-her-life/
Wowowowow! Well played Robert.
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This is amazing! Think I need to go over to gosselinbookblog and play "My Way" again. Whoo hoo.
Holy sh*tters, pass the popcorn, the rumspringa and some Milk Duds. Oh, and make sure you put a surprise at the bottom of my popcorn bag!
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Heck let's just through a party. Right now.
In honor of PA, Philly steak sandwiches and sweet potato fries work for everyone? Bring whatever's in the fridge.
I've no doubt someone will dig up Robert's motion.. I can't wait to read what you all think about it.
Man, talk about poking a bear. I'm hopeful for Jon and Robert. I've been worried about them and their families.
Somewhere in Philadelphia, a lawyer is changing his skid marked tighty whities.
I'll bring the cheesesteaks. Wit anyone? I'll bring the Frank's Black Cherry Wisniak and Tastykakes!
I sometimes wonder if they are really as dumb as they present themselves to be, or if they pretend to be ignorant to annoy the heck out of the "haters."
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I would say that some of them really are as dumb as they present themselves to be, as evidenced in this tweet about Robert's new attorney:
Aren't you @SooooooStupid 15m
#sixymomma8 #FireyTopaz1 #ReneeAudric @Kateplusmy8 just what hoffman needs MM's estate lawyer.
I'll bring the pizza remember to wash your hands and us foil.
I'm stunned. An attorney who's been before the Supremes? Stunned.
Hot fudge would be good right now.
So.....will Kate, Razzy, and BV fold or will they fight. I almost hope they'll fight. Imagine Kate giving a depositin to these teams of attorneys. They'll turn her to mush.
Remona Blue said... 105
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There is no way on earth that Jon and TFMJG are ''in cahoots''. I think maybe your gut is telling you that you have a tummy ache.
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I hope you're right! & you probably are....the timing of it makes me uneasy, but then so much is going on and this is Gosselinland, after all!
Lalaland
Tucker's Mom said... 104
Holy sh*tters, pass the popcorn, the rumspringa and some Milk Duds. Oh, and make sure you put a surprise at the bottom of my popcorn bag!
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I think RH already put a surprise in our popcorn bags. :)
We really need a new post for this!!!
I'll bring the cheesesteaks. Wit anyone? I'll bring the Frank's Black Cherry Wisniak and Tastykakes!
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Funny you should mention that. I went to the store for just a few things today, including Tastykakes and came home with everything under the sun except the Tastykakes!!
I've never even known an attorney who FILED in the Supremes let alone argued there. It's just unheard of. They take thousands of petitions a year but only agree to hear a few.
Razamatazz? Comment?
I'll bring the blondies I baked this afternoon for my art class potluck. Looks like Jon and Robert have more than nicely lawyered up. Good job guys.
Ummm, Kate, let me once again ask if you have any idea what 'under oath' and 'perjury' mean. Google is your friend.
Did someone say "party"? I'm here! I'm here! And I don't have the faintest idea what are "Frank's Black Cherry Wisniak and Tastykakes!", but I want some! Also, I call dids on sitting next to Ramona, Lalalalala and Chef: I, too, always kind of liked RH's little games. Finally: you all can have Shawn Tuma as your imaginary boyfriend. He's cute and cuddly, but he's no Martin Garbus. Class...
Shall we all chip in and get the theatre-size popcorn machine? Oh and maybe we better get the rumspringa brought in by the keg and put it on tap.
In my opinion, BV is just another narcissist who suffers also from small man syndrome and uses intimidation to project a false illusion of being a big strong feared man.
He is nothing but a fool. Even the anonymous's are questioning some of his recent tactics of publishing IP address's. BV appears to believe that people are guilty until he determines them innocent.
WOWZA...someone is gonna take her down!!!! I hope BV feels it too! he has a tweet that says, "If people lie for you, they will lie against you"
Wonder who will do that first BV or TFW...
I am so worried about those kids. So the children knew their Mother and her friend (an outsider) threw out their Father's things after he left. How old were they? They will carry that memory forever.
And I'll bet they did not dare whine about it.
Previously the spankings - they knew hours or days ahead of time they would be receiving spankings. Mommy comes home from NY all glammed up, tanned and bleached and here comes your pain and humiliation for what...being a normal child surviving a very difficult life?
And the talk show folks are so sweet to your mother, so as a child, you live through this and see other adults show adoration for this person....no wonder someone was always throwing up in that house.
The more I learn the more my stomach hurts.
Dmasy - ha! I think we can almost guarantee it won't be Freida, Francine or Faith.
:o)
I love Jon Gossein and the wonderful man he has become. My Dad died at 83 years. All of the Gosselin children know who loves them, where to look for that love. The Mother does not love them, has not ever raised them and only uses them. What kind of mother comes home and only wants a tally of which chldren need spankings? A monster Mother.
Kate Gosselin has never raised her children. She is a fake.
Anonymous no not true no worries. :)
I'm in! I will bring the watermelon rind sweet pickle I made last weekend, and I will go back to the post with all the different banana bread recipes and make the different ones for taste comparison. Pour me a rumspringa!
Quick, someone call BV! Jon and Robert are bullying TFW because they went out and got competent representation. BULLIES!!
FWIW, Ex Nurse, I feel the same way. The faintest, slightest opinion portraying Jon in a bad light is not popular here.
I think Jon is a big doofus. A harmless doofus but a doofus all the same.
I'll bring a veggie tray and some dip. Also a couple of pitchers of mint ice tea for those who don't care for rumspringa. Shall we make a weekend of it?
I'm glad both Jon and Robert have powerhouse attorneys, but this begs the question How are they paying for them? Neither of them is rolling in dough. Could Tuma and Garbus have taken the case pro bono? Admin?
perhaps our anonymous insider will post a link to Robert's Motion to dismiss...pul-lease!!!!!! :)
I'll bring the fancy flavorings for the popcorn. I have dill, sour cream n onion, cheddar cheese, and my favorite sweet n salty!!!
Kate is so far out of her league if it's true about the legal representation that both Jon and Robert have working for them. I'd be ordering CASES of DEPENDS if I were her, because she sure is going to need them in the months and probably years to come. These cases take years sometimes to come to a conclusion. I think it was a bad bet, she should have folded. You gotta know when to fold to save yourself a lot of grief. Guess Kate has never played much poker.
handinhand said... 37
I wish Jon would refrain from these types of interviews. I know he means well but he really tends to overshare and he never acquits himself very well. The gossip sites then piece and parse his words in ways that really discredit him. He should know this by now.
It's time for him to let Team Tuma do the talking in the only place it really matters, the legal briefs and the courtroom.
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I couldn't agree more. It's like he never learns.
I will bring some homemade toffee with or without almonds, your choice. We can put it in the bottom of the popcorn bags.
I see a withdrawal of the complaint in TFW's immediate future. Before discovery even begins. I don't think she is emotionally capable of facing down real legal procedure instead of the wishing on a star she
can have things her way and expecting her wants to materialize.
I hope you're right! & you probably are....the timing of it makes me uneasy, but then so much is going on and this is Gosselinland, after all!
Lalaland
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I think the timing of this is hilarious. Can you imagine getting ready for a book tour, tweeting excitement at meeting fans, riding the celebrity train once again, only to have it in the back of your mind the whole time that your foes have just hired two fantastic attorneys, one of whom is a legend? Kind of puts the damper on your festivities, wouldn't you say?
I wondered how they were managing to pay for these well powered lawyers too, but perhaps they only take on cases they know they will win and part of their argument is that TFW will have to pay their fees and any other damages/expenses.
I don't have any problem with Jon doing interviews. Lately he has avoided talking about his children except in a generic ways or about his own private life - like where he's working.
My only complaint is his persistent use of the word "like". It drives me nuts, but it seems like it's part of his speech pattern now. It's a minor thing.
Shall we all chip in and get the theatre-size popcorn machine?
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Instead of the French yogurt maker? That mean I'll have to cancel the appointment with the French outlet installer. Darn...he was so cute.
I'll bring the whoopee pies! Can I join the group who love Robert's videos - I listened to "My Way" three times. Are crocs with socks mandatory for admission to the party?
fidosmommy said... 141
Isn't there a cut off point when people should stop using the word "like"? I thought it was a young person's thing. Someone his age shouldn't be using it. Although he did say he is making up for lost time having all those kids when he was so young. Even Kate constantly peppers her convos with the same word. The two of them appear somewhat immature for their ages if you ask me.
Admin, Millicent & other esteemed counselors who read/post here:
High-power lawyers don't come cheap, and high-caliber law firms don't typically affix their names/reputations to petty grievances. So I'm wondering: Do you think Robert and Jon's lawyers took this case because they see an issue of larger impact, one that extends well beyond the narcissistic whims of TFW? Something that perhaps needs a legislative remedy, at some point?
TFW's leg will be - a - swinging at next weeks rag mag shows.
I also forecast a return of the ummm's, and uhhh's, along with the eyerolling and looking upwards ( which forensics say means she is not so truthful)
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 80
"By the way you guys make my chuckle sort of bashfully admitting you have the hots for Jon's lawyer. LOL."
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So I'm guilty of posting about Shawn Tuma's good looks last night. Admittedly, I've always been a sucker for a blue-eyed blonde with brains, and the desire to right what is wrong in my own eyes. They say "The eyes are the window to your soul"... and I believe it's the truth- more than I can say.
Say, is Marty Garbus as easy on the eyes? He may very well be my new legal crush.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 97
Let's face it- Purse Boy is long gone. It will be interesting to see who the hired handler is, during her upcoming world-wide cookbook tour.
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If Steve's free and not working with someone else during that time, why wouldn't he continue his role as RC?
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Again, go with me on this.
- Steve's earnings are reportedly $1,600 per day plus extravagant expenses (Nobu anyone?)
- Kate's measly cookbook tour, will not sell $1,600 worth of copies per gig.
- Hiring Rat Claws = $$ LOSS.
pixie said... 138handinhand said... 37 I wish Jon would refrain from these types of interviews. I know he means well but he really tends to overshare and he never acquits himself very well. The gossip sites then piece and parse his words in ways that really discredit him. He should know this by now.It's time for him to let Team Tuma do the talking in the only place it really matters, the legal briefs and the courtroom.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I couldn't agree more. It's like he never learns.
So true. I understand him wanting to stand up for himself, but he's doing himself no favors with those interviews.
I'm not sure that he is a doofus, but he surely comes across as one in the interview format.
I wonder what other format would work for him....
Improbable dreams - I don't know the answer to your question (about why a high powered attorney like Tuma took Jon's case). I think that it is probably a combination of selfless and at least slightly self-promoting reasons. Selfless perhaps, if Tuma is doing this because the issue is something he finds interesting, and one he thinks needs some legal clarification. He may see this as a case in which some common misconceptions regarding these issues can be better defined.
If he prevails on Jon's behalf, he will be able to add this to his "resume" and include it in any further articles he publishes or talks or courses he teaches. It might gain him some further notice in the legal field.
I can't say for sure what his reasons might be. But I am impressed with the attention to detail, and the legal knowledge he displayed in his motion. I would say he is a force to be reckoned with.
"does anyone have a sinking fear that J&K are in cahoots with the burst of press about both of them? Hope it's not true, just a gut feeling."
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Um, NO. One of the classic characteristics of a person that suffers from acute NPD... would never allow that to happen in their world.
Here is a link to some of the high profile cases Marty Garbus has defended. Quite a few are with Books publisher companies, so perhaps that is why he is working with Robert?
A poster above got me thinking that perhaps there is an even bigger underlying issue here then many of us realize...
Mr Garbus began representing individuals and companies in Internet litigation. Perhaps the allegations against Jane and John Doe 1-20 for the " internet bullying" has caught Mr Garbus' attention..
Admin said:
I imagine like raising two kids only times four. Good grief. Hundreds of thousands of families have raised eight or more children over the years.
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Yes, including my parents. And they never made a big deal about having 8 kids and I know they would have liked to have more but felt they were past their prime. So 8 it was and while we were a busy household, my mom never once complained or acted exhausted. My mom was and is an amazing energetic woman who once said she never really liked children, except her own! LOL. And she lavished love and attention on us and always made us feel special.
I think that's why I have this interest in the Gosselin children, because I see that they never once got anything like maternal love from their mother. I feel for them and wish somehow that they find true unconditional love from their dad and other relatives in the family. I count my own blessings every day.
I *love* that gosselinbook's atty "aggressively represents" his clients.
I wonder if razzy is shaking in his boots yet. :-)
Martin Garbus - wow.
You know, I wonder if Razzmatazz has created ill will in the legal field, and that's why two high powered attorneys are willing to take him on regarding this ridiculous lawsuit? Or perhaps its McGibney and Razzmatazz both? Something is up when Martin Garbus is willing to get involved. Fascinating! I can hardly wait to watch this all play out.
. Anyway, does anyone have a sinking fear that J&K are in cahoots with the burst of press about both of them? Hope it's not true, just a gut feeling.
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I believe you might be the only one with that feeling. I well remember a poster somewhere else years ago also quite sure that Jon & Kate were divorcing as a ratings booster and would reconcile for another ratings booster. That, clearly, was not the case.
Rest assured, Jon and Kate are not in cahoots on anything. But I did get a good chuckle from that earlier memory.
kate's a mess said... 133
FWIW, Ex Nurse, I feel the same way. The faintest, slightest opinion portraying Jon in a bad light is not popular here.
I think Jon is a big doofus. A harmless doofus but a doofus all the same.
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Hmmmm, well I feel that's not quite accurate. I agree that Jon is sometimes a doofus, even a big one. But his heart appears to be in the right place.
Where I usually have to add my 2 cents in Jon's defense is to any post that compares Jon and Kate and finds them equally bad. Or to any post that still finds fault for Jon's actions of years ago, as if it were yesterday.
As to his recent behavior - I can't say much about it because I don't know much about it. He's gone private. He is working as a waiter, has his kids about 50% of the time, is doing what he can to make ends meet, and seems to be a genuine loving father. If in addition, he's slightly goofy, oh well. At least he doesn't hit his kids with a spoon or a heavy cardboard roll.
Tucker's Mom said... 115
I'll bring the cheesesteaks. Wit anyone? I'll bring the Frank's Black Cherry Wisniak and Tastykakes!
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Tucker's Mom - Cheesesteak wit, please! And can I put in my request for kandy kakes and krimpets?
I think I will bring some Ben & Jerry's Phish Food, in honor of the newest poor creature TFW will be traumatizing.
Improbable Dreams Becoming Nightmares said... 145
''Admin, Millicent & other esteemed counselors who read/post here:
High-power lawyers don't come cheap, and high-caliber law firms don't typically affix their names/reputations to petty grievances. So I'm wondering: Do you think Robert and Jon's lawyers took this case because they see an issue of larger impact, one that extends well beyond the narcissistic whims of TFW? Something that perhaps needs a legislative remedy, at some point?''
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I'm not one of the esteemed posters, but Tuma did tweet this posted by Terri on the previous page of this topic:
Terri said... 111
Shawn Tuma
September 11 near The Colony, TX
New case. New client. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is the key issue. Briefing. All night. Not because I have to, but because I want to, and we just may make a little law in the process. I cannot wait until this one gets filed!
September 19, 2013 at 6:20 AM
"You gotta know when to fold to save yourself a lot of grief. Guess Kate has never played much poker."
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Terri- What comes to mind, is Kenny Roger's The Gambler soundtrack. Sing it if you know it - -
"You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em..."
Grave mistake, Kate bringing up her own misdeeds in a frivolous lawsuit.
I'll leave it at this- something I've always held close to my heart, is pure honesty and empathy. If I disregarded someone and lied, there's no way I'd ever sue over it. Bury that (hopefully) one time flaw, and check yourself. Take inventory on how you feel about YOU. Look in the mirror and like what you see, everyday. Even if you're 41.
What a fool. I predict the Dead Man's Hand, Aces & 8's for Kate.
Everything happens when I am gone! So much reading to get caught up on, but am so happy that both Jon and Robert have excellent Lawyers. I did catch ET today, and really, really loved that they showed the clip of TFW screaming at Jon in the store, sure makes her look like an idiot. I wonder how she felt seeing it! It has been so long since we have had any strong hope about her getting what she deserves, it almost feels like Christmas is coming early!
And Jon sure does look great, I would eat at that restaurant every day if he would be there as my waiter:)
I have to go to bed, 'cause I have a real mediocre job, but Meagler did Tuma ask for attorney(s) and court fees in the argument? The defense team deserves to be paid, and very 'handsomely'... hee. They get more than Kiwi too.
"part of their argument is that TFW will have to pay their fees and any other damages/expenses."
And isn't Tuma based out of Texas? Costly.
Improbable dreams # 145.
I think Mr. Tuma did say he was hoping some new precedent would be set with this case. Maybe precedent isn't the right word, but I hope you know what I'm trying to say.
With a world class lawyer this highly esteemed, will this not bring national headlines? I would think so.
I also LOVE his daughter Liz. She does the BEST insightful documentaries. Coma, on HBO, for one.
"TFW's leg will be - a - swinging at next weeks rag mag shows."
MEAGLER? You know, Fired Up can't quit Kate riiiight? Stop encouraging her with the a-swinging of the Pooh Bear leg.
Improbable Dreams Becoming Nightmares said... 146 Admin, Millicent & other esteemed counselors who read/post here:
High-power lawyers don't come cheap, and high-caliber law firms don't typically affix their names/reputations to petty grievances. So I'm wondering: Do you think Robert and Jon's lawyers took this case because they see an issue of larger impact, one that extends well beyond the narcissistic whims of TFW? Something that perhaps needs a legislative remedy, at some point?
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''I'm not one of the esteemed posters, but Tuma did tweet this posted by Terri on the previous page of this topic:
Terri said... 111
Shawn Tuma
September 11 near The Colony, TX
New case. New client. Computer Fraud and Abuse Act is the key issue. Briefing. All night. Not because I have to, but because I want to, and we just may make a little law in the process. I cannot wait until this one gets filed!
September 19, 2013 at 6:20 AM''
When he said we might make a little new law in the process, that's something an attorney would say when the subject they are working on is missing some case law and they hope to help make some. The statutes lay out the law but the case laws interpret and clarify what the statutes mean and how to apply them to various situations. When a law is new there won't be a lot of cases on it and so no one is quite sure yet how to work the statutes.
He might take this pro bono for that reason. I can definitely see a case with facts like this in a law school textbook. A fair amount of celebrity cases make the textbooks if they demonstrate the issue well enough. I think they do it so you'll remember them and also because a lot of these cases just tend to be good cases to know and understand in order to understand the law. We read cases involving Barry Bonds, Carol Burnett, and Larry Flynt, off the top of my head.
I imagine this new area of law really doesn't have a large collection of case law yet. Attorneys get nerdy excited to be part of shaping case law on subjects they are passionate about. This is an area he has established himself as a leading expert on. Feather in his cap to pick up this case, a resume booster. Most laws have one or two seminal cases. To be able to say that was your case is a badge of honor.
Remember this Kate? " No never means no to me."
Perhaps you'll be able to choke out a "no more" some time soon. Or an "oh no!". Or a heartfelt "nonononono".
Try it. It comes more easily each time you say it. No. No more.
I'm truly glad that Jon and Robert finally have some heavy hitters on their sides.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 80
"By the way you guys make my chuckle sort of bashfully admitting you have the hots for Jon's lawyer. LOL."
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Is there a Mrs. Tuma?
I can see a seasoned attorney who cares about the First Amendment and civil rights getting involved in this case. Bullyville's vigilante justice may just have crossed the line. I would personally love to see a countersuit against Bullyville for their involvement in intimidation and cyberstalking. This is going to be fun--and educational! Didn't Kate say that she is all about education? Then, she is going to love what is next for her, because I think she will be getting seriously educated, and, hopefully, a huge smackdown with some punitive damages. If these big guns are involved, it is because they will go big with this.
And when the kids are 18, TFW may be facing 8 little lawsuits against her.
Start the party without me--I'm stopping for the tar and feathers--a look that Milo will certainly enjoy.
Poor Kate. It's just not turning out to be her day. A widely panned blog piece, 2 top of the heap lawyers aiming their guns at her lawsuit, and that pesky woman from the ranch in the middle of nowhere has sold nearly twice as many cookbooks in the 19 days of September as Kate has sold since March 29. (Amazon.com sales only.)
I'm glad both Jon and Robert have powerhouse attorneys, but this begs the question How are they paying for them? Neither of them is rolling in dough. Could Tuma and Garbus have taken the case pro bono?
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Do you think Robert and Jon's lawyers took this case because they see an issue of larger impact, one that extends well beyond the narcissistic whims of TFW?
I don't think there's any way in the world Jon or Robert could afford to pay either one of the attorneys, let alone both (Robert said he had no money and I think we can assume Jon has none, too).
With the new info about Martin Garbus representing Robert, I'm wondering if he was hired first and then in turn put Jon in touch with Shawn Tuma. The attorneys specialize in different parts of the law and it makes sense to have the appropriate experts to best defend the various important points of the suit.
I think this suit is much bigger than just TFW vs Jon and the attorneys have taken the cases because of the larger implications, ie: constitutional rights, free speech, internet law, etc. I don't think either one expects to make any money on this. Maybe Jon and Robert will pay filing fees and court costs, but I'll bet the attorneys are either pro-bono or they're being funded by something similar to a non-profit constitutional rights group.
I'm so pleased and relieved that the attorneys believe in Jon and Robert's cases and feel that the laws that apply are important enough to warrant their high powered participation. If this ends up being about issues like BV threatened, these attorneys may actually end up defending *our* rights to blog, express opinions, and better define internet free speech.
This is going to be very interesting. Pass the popcorn, please.
♪♪And now, the end is here
And so I face the final curtain♪♪
♪♪I did what I had to do and saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this, I did it my way♪♪
September is almost coming to an end people! Do you think maybe next week is the week?? I hope so. I also hope TFW and Robert have to cross paths down some corridor at a tv studio, while each doing their own book tour!
fidosmommy said... 141
I see a withdrawal of the complaint in TFW's immediate future. Before discovery even begins.
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I've wondered about this as well but I don't think Kate has the intelligence or forethought to truly understand what is happening.
Mr. Garbus had no role in Jon hiring Shawn Tuma but I'm sure it's safe to assume Mr. Tuma is chomping at the bit to try this case.
I knew Kate would rue the day she got in bed (so to speak) with Bully, but did anyone imagine it would happen so soon?
I saw Robert's response. He denies almost everything but he agrees Kate is the mother of eight children, including sextuplets. Gotta love it!
Makes you wonder, again, what else gosselinbook has that is yet unknown.
Kate is of the "stomp your foot and dab your eyes" defense.
I believe she does not feel any jeopardy -- yet.
She doesn't recognize the names of the two attorneys. She has no respect for authority or intellect.
Someone will have to carefully and SLOWLY explain to her exactly what is happening. They will have to clap their hands in her face and demand that she pay attention.
Ex-Nurse said: Is there a Mrs. Tuma?
Yes, and she's beautiful as are their five, count 'em five kids. OK, I admit, I creeped on his Facebook page, but who wouldn't?
So glad Jon and Robert have excellent attorneys. Kate thought she intimidate them but it looks like she has opened up a big, fat can of worms. It's about time oil' Teflon Kate gets hers.
I read comments upthread and I did not even think about the period when Jon was allowed to share the house. So the desktop may have indeed stayed inside the main house for the kids and Jon made the backups before Kate kicked him off the property for good. Then dumb ol' Kate issued orders to her "friend" to dispose of all of Jon's property and the backup CD meant for Kate got thrown in the trash. Ahhhh. Poetic justice at last. Now it all makes sense. Jon didn't steal squat.
I cannot imagine Jon was aware Robert would go through that trash, but Robert worked for a tabloid and was looking for a big score, and boy did he get it. When I think about Kate's convoluted thinking about a Jon and Robert conspiracy, I just have to believe the woman is driven by hatred and spite towards Jon that is consuming her.
Nearly every source printing items about Jon's ET interview also include a snippet about Robert Hoffman and his book's title. Some even include short sentences about Kate's alleged abuse.
Kate thought yanking this book from Amazon so quickly and suing to prevent its release would eliminate the chances of people ever seeing or talking about it again. Au contraire.
Remona @189
I remember that on one episode, they were on a trip somewhere, and Jon mentioned TFW's laptop. It was something about her having the laptop while on the trip so she could write in her journal. Anyone else remember that?
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I am late responding to this because I actually "Gasp" work 12 hours as a nurse but the episode you are referring to is when they went to Disney. They were packing the van and Jon clearly tells Kate the laptop goes up front and when she ask why he says so you can journal or whatever.
Discovery....it's a gonna be ugly.
I pray to God those kids are with Jon this weekend.
As a local, I would take vacation days for the honor of sitting in the courtroom to watch this unfold! Robert, Jon, you have my respect. Carry on!
SwingsandRoundabouts said... 172
Remember this Kate? " No never means no to me."
Perhaps you'll be able to choke out a "no more" some time soon. Or an "oh no!". Or a heartfelt "nonononono".
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I think Dr. Perry Cox said it best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eO3XmuVry4
Classic!!
marie said... 103
Anybody else notice that Goody has disappeared off Twitter?
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She's still tweeting, just not on Kate's timeline. Most of her tweets are retweets of conservative news articles, platitudes, that kind of thing with an occasional RT of BV or mention of Jon. She has to be concerned - didn't RH include her tweets in his book? And since then, there's much more for him to work with. She may have deleted tweets about Jon's body parts, as well as many coarse and vulgar tweets that may be libelous, but there are lots of screenshots out there.
The above holds true with CJ, also. After she removed the outings and much more from her blog, she's rarely been seen on Kate's timeline, and she had been there 24/7.
Quite a few other previously vocal fans have gone silent. I don't think they've lost interest. I do think some of the smarter ones now realize that they can be involved in legal actions, too.
I really hope these attorneys address the ridiculous accusation that J and R conspired with some (formerly) anonymous "haters" on Twitter. People who are scattered to the four corners of the world. I did find this footnote in the motion:
The Complaint fails to make even a single allegation of access of any computer as to any of the Defendants, including Defendants Robert Hoffman and John and Jane Does 1-20. See Compl.
Admin or someone, please post a link to Robert's response to dismiss. Thanks!
I have no doubt that she expected J and R to not address the lawsuit because she has million$ and they do not. Now, everytime she calls or emails Razzmatazz to whine, give info, cry, defend, etc, every response he has to file is going to result in billable hour$ to her.
localyocul said... 191
I really hope these attorneys address the ridiculous accusation that J and R conspired with some (formerly) anonymous "haters" on Twitter. People who are scattered to the four corners of the world. I did find this footnote in the motion:
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Yes, I hope so, too. I also hope that those whom BV outed and continues to harass have some recourse.
Has anyone of our legal posters found Robert's motion?
Whenever I see the name Razzamatazz, I picture him walking up to the judges bench and going into a jazz hands routine.
"I read comments upthread and I did not even think about the period when Jon was allowed to share the house. So the desktop may have indeed stayed inside the main house for the kids and Jon made the backups before Kate kicked him off the property for good. Then dumb ol' Kate issued orders to her "friend" to dispose of all of Jon's property and the backup CD meant for Kate got thrown in the trash. Ahhhh. Poetic justice at last. Now it all makes sense. Jon didn't steal squat."
If the backup disk was thrown into the trash by Kate, then how did she still have access to the old family pictures...the slanted eyes Chinese one in particular? Was everything transposed to her lap top by then?
Is there a Mrs. Tuma?Is there a Mrs. Tuma?
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Yes, and five young Tuma people, according to his bio!
On the human interest side, looking back with Mr. Garbus. Nice story!
http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/encounter/57470/
Thanks for all the insights re my question at 145. Your opinions (and quoted material helps confirm my belief that Jon & Robert's attorneys may be doing this for altruistic reasons, but that they are also responding to what they see as broader issues, with wide-reaching implications. I can easily see the appeal at all ends of that spectrum.
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And yet, there's still this tiny, trifling matter to be dealt with (i.e. TFW's vindictive, trifling lawsuit.) Hmmmm. The engine on the karma bus is rumbling...do you feel its vibrations, see it pulling away from the curb?
Mel said... 186
Discovery....it's a gonna be ugly.
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And to think that's also the name of the network that started this entire trainwreck.
Meet me in Philly said... 179
I saw Robert's response. He denies almost everything but he agrees Kate is the mother of eight children, including sextuplets. Gotta love it!
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Where did you read the response? Do you mean a motion or a blog posting?
Local, I'm an old friend from Twitter (we spoke on the phone once ;)and I will see you there! I think everyone involved on the side of Jon and Robert is hoping this goes to trial.
As a local, I would take vacation days for the honor of sitting in the courtroom to watch this unfold! Robert, Jon, you have my respect. Carry on!
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Me too! I have loootttss of vacation time
localyocul said... 193
I have no doubt that she expected J and R to not address the lawsuit because she has million$ and they do not. Now, everytime she calls or emails Razzmatazz to whine, give info, cry, defend, etc, every response he has to file is going to result in billable hour$ to her.
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HA! Given everything that has transpired, I'm guessing old Razzmatazz is avoiding TFW like the plague.
I can just picture him seeing her number pop up on his phone, and him answering the call in his best Romanian accent: "This is Peggy."
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