Leah Remini spoke up when she saw something she knew was wrong. She was outcast by Scientology for it, but praised by others as courageous and a hero. Dancing With the Stars kicks off again this month, and Tony Dovolani's partner couldn't be more of a firecracker. And an inspiration. Forty-three-year old Leah Remini has had steady work in Hollywood since she was 13 years old, and eventually, like many seasoned stars, found her way to the Church of Scientology. For years she was a devoted follower, until she started seeing some things that just weren't right. When she tried to say something about it, she ignited a war with the church.
Here is a summary of what happened this summer, from the L.A. Times:
Leah Remini made headlines in July when she publicly left the Church of Scientology. In August she filed a missing persons report for church leader David Miscavige's wife, Shelly, who allegedly hasn't been seen in public for six years.
"We can confirm that the missing person report has been taken, and that's all the information we have at this time," a Los Angeles Police Department spokesperson told Us Weekly.
TMZ confirmed that an ongoing investigation into Miscavige's whereabouts is underway. LAPD did not say whether Remini had any connection to the case, but a source told the site that Remini had filed the report shortly after cutting ties with the church last month.
Previous reports indicated that the "King of Queens" star left the church because it allegedly bars members from questioning leaders' management and reportedly forces them to "disconnect" from family members deemed "suppressive persons" if they choose to leave the church.
Remini told People that "no one is going to tell me how I need to think, no one is going to tell me who I can, and cannot, talk to."
Any previous tension Remini may have had with the church is surely being exacerbated amid these most recent reports.
In the past, Remini was allegedly derided by Tommy Davis, the former head of the Scientology Celebrity Centre, for asking about Shelly Miscavige's whereabouts at Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' wedding in 2006. The incident was among the alleged reasons that Remini broke ties with the church. Davis reportedly scolded her and told her she didn't have the "rank" to ask about Shelly.
Former Village Voice editor Tony Ortega runs the Scientology blog Underground Bunker, which chronicles the church's inner workings. Ortega, whose reliability has been denounced several times by the church, reported that Remini filed the report recently. He also said that in 2006 Shelly was transferred to a "secret compound near Lake Arrowhead in the mountains above Los Angeles." The place is the headquarters to the Church of Spiritual Technology and is home to about a dozen Scientologists who are "completely cut off from the outside world," he said.
The church's response was that this is "harassment."
Tony's partner is a breath of fresh air. The only bully here is Scientology.
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I think the person No Netz was responding to has an avatar of Jon. They must have thought they were responding to Jon. Very unprofessional company arguing back with these people.
How stupid can they be? They honestly think Jon would come on and start tweeting them? And gosh if I were a company and thought someone's ex was pissed off, I would SHUT UP. Ex's take you to court. What if he dragged me into court over this? Do they even know for sure who has the legal rights to give them the pictures and whether the ex has veto power over it? Did they even ask if Jon needs to give permission too? Doubt it. I think they freaked out when all this hit them and that's why they immediately swiffered the pics. They knew they were in over their heads.
Somebody put the idea in their heads that their ex and his minions are going to attack them. I think they were expecting it and then, without checking, saw what they wanted to see.
Hmm, who could have told them THAT?
But Ex Nurse,
These were not reviews. They were nasty tweets upset because someone they disliked reviewed this company's product.
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All the more reason to respond professionally by thanking them for their feedback. Or, to just ignore. Any company who utilizes social media for promotion should be prepared for this type of thing.
I tend to agree that TFW got it swiffered. Exchanging goods for promotion is very common with celebrities. But, I believe SG asked a valid question. I don't understand why she seems to expect that her kids have to pay for their own clothing by selling their privacy. It is the parent's job to clothe the children they brought into the world. These kids have worked enough. Let them have the rest of their childhood.
Honestly, Twitter shows what our society would be like without any social or rules of civility.
These were not reviews. They were nasty tweets upset because someone they disliked reviewed this company's product.
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All the more reason to respond professionally by thanking them for their feedback. Or, to just ignore. Any company who utilizes social media for promotion should be prepared for this type of thing.
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Agree 100%. If it obviously wasn't a real review left in a sincere attempt to express your opinion and issues, why even give it the time of day? Roll your eyes behind closed doors, thank them for their feedback, and move on. It's not rocket science. Thousands of company deal with trolls just like we deal with trolls and the only thing you can do is either ignore it or thank them and move on. Engaging has proven over and over not to help a single thing.
This is where Amy's Baking Company got into trouble. Instead of thanking people for their feedback and telling them they'll do better next time, they ARGUED with them. All this did was make them look foolish and it egged people on it. This is what led to it all blowing up. Stupid.
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Honestly, Twitter shows what our society would be like without any social or rules of civility.
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So, so true!
Honestly, Twitter shows what our society would be like without any social or rules of civility.
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It does, and it's uncomfortable. I've slowly started to accept this is how many people are when stripped of societal norms. But this is understandably something hard to accept. We don't WANT people to behave this way. We don't WANT people to be like this when you strip everything way. We want people to be kind and good and generous and sweet even when there are no incentives.
Hence people are going to keep saying OH HOW DARE people do that on twitter! I don't know, I'm over it. It is what it is. Basic human nature is disappointing, but TFW is not the first victim of it.
Why does EM Tanner get a pass?
I am often amazed at some of the reviews on Amazon. When someone launches into an 8 paragraph rant about a $3 phone charger cord
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LOL the phone charger rants! I know them well!
Society has for thousands of years asked us to repress things. We are taught to repress our anger, our tears, our emotions in general. We are definitely taught to repress our sexual urges. There are so many things we can't say or do, raising a child to function normally in this world is a monumental task.
Maybe that's what this is. Maybe this is thousands of years of being oppressed and now finally, for once, we can just be OURSELVES on the internet. We can spout off all we want and say whatever outrageous thing we've always wanted to say and no one can stop us. Maybe people just want to get it out. If we want to be pissed off about a phone charger, we're going to be pissed off about a phone charger and we're NOT going to be nice about it.
From a sociological perspective, it sure is fascinating. We are all, except for very small children, FIRST GENERATION internet users. We're fresh off the boat. Will we get to a point where, okay, we've let it all out and we're good now and return to polite social graces? Or is this here to stay?
On the flip side, sometimes angry reviews are really funny. There is some humor at times in this new normal.
Why does EM Tanner get a pass?
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A pass for what?
Didn't she see the error of her ways and break ties with TFW?
And wasn't Kate HERSELF engage with Em Tanner attacking her out of the blue and demanding she take down her calendar? YES.
That is world's apart from random customers with no stake in the game egging you on. The person she had worked with and given countless freebies to was attacking her out of the blue after years of Em bending over backwards for her. She had every right to defend herself and her business.
Even then after this went on a few days, we said well Em's made her point now so....time to move on.
I back up what SG said. It was definitely their website and it had a banner about the Gosselin kids wearing their suits.
What is so insane about the company responding negatively to Twitter users is that anyone following that company would not have seen what the nonfans said. It would have blown right by. But by responding, anyone following the company would have seen THEIR negative tweets, then they could search and see what the hoopla is about. Someone sends you something on Twitter - only you see it. You respond - all your followers see it. It's just bad business.
Did Em Tanner get in a tweaked war with someone or did she say something on her blog in answer to TFW not wanting her to call it the Kate calendar? I can't remember.
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As I recall as well, Em Tanner actually did get quite a big of negative feedback from the non-fans, some of whom were going after anyone associating with this family and offering freebies and because Em Tanner gave them so much she was a prime target. She always ignored it that we know of and just kept on helping Kate.
It wasn't until Kate herself attacked her she felt the need to say wait a minute I bent over backwards for you (and put up with all these non-fans attacking me for YEARS) and it is really sad to see that you lost your way now.
Gayle, someone (I think a FAN) noticed that Em had a "Kate's Calendar" up and mentioned it to Kate. As I recall, she mentioned it because she was excited about it and thrilled to find it. She was not trying to cause drama.
Kate then took it upon herself to freak out and said something like it's sad when people use your name without your permission for profit. Goodness gracious, if she is taking issue with such a thing why wouldn't you pick up the phone or call a lawyer? On Twitter, seriously?
Em Tanner was like, HOLD THE TRAIN what the what the WHAT??? And the rest was history. I also recall Kate trying to claim she had asked Em to remove it, to which Em said she never heard a word from her about it until now and I distinctly remember Em saying that is NOT how it went down and KATE KNOWS IT. And, despite Em forking over countless time and money toward Kate over the years, she was the bigger person and took the calendar down anyway. Even though it never said Kate Gosselin's calendar. Just Kate's calendar. A common name.
Later on I think the poor fan was like, I'm so sorry I started all this. Poor girl.
Should the company have handled it more professionally? Of course. But it sounds like they're a small company and I would cut them some slack on that. If I were in their place and random people started attacking my company just because we had sent some swim suits to a has been reality star who sent us a letter asking to do a product review and we figured "Hey, that's something we can put in the review page of our website! Endorsed by Reality TV Mom Kate Gosselin!" because we didn't know about all the controversy surrounding her , I'd probably be a bit testy too.
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If they are a small company and want to grow, that is not the way to go about it. They might be a bit testy and cursing under their breath, but a company in that position DOES NOT get into a Twitter war and throw comebacks like they did. They bite the bullet, man up (or woman up) like professionals and give an appropriate response and not get into it at all. I wouldn't cut them slack at all. If this is how they react when tweeted negative remarks, how do they handle customer complaints? If I were a customer, that certainly would make me question the way in which they respond to problems. It's immature and it shows that they have quite a bit of growing up to do if they want to make it in the business industry.
The haters just need to zip it and keep their noses out of it. They just can't. They're helping Kate more than they are hurting her, we've been saying this all along on here, but they just can't seem to get it, and I don't know why. They don't appear to be stupid, but for some reason they are hell bent on continuing this.
No one blamed anyone or libeled anyone, "anonymous". I thought the "defective detective" was the name used when some sheeple feeds some B.S. story to radar. That's how I see it anyway.
Someone fed the story to them. Who, I haven't a clue and I never claimed to know. If you think Radar sits there all day coming up with this on their own, I've got a bridge to sell you. They are spoon fed this nonsense.
I agree with Blowing. I don't think a small company is an excuse for that nasty tweet about having ex wife issues and being bitter. That is inappropriate behavior from anyone--small, large or in between company. It's immature and unprofessional and NASTY, period.
Actually I expect more from a small company than a large one. There is something about small companies that is so salt of the earth that I don't know, I hold them to higher standards than some big boxed store. I expect Walmart to screw up. I don't expect Uncle Joe's hardware to screw up.
Speaking of libel, hasn't Radar libeled Robert by claiming that he swiffered his web site and is running scared. When it fact he did no such thing and it's all still there.
If we want to talk libel.
It doesn't matter if that's just the way things are these days. The attorneys could use what happened with NoNetz as an example.
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I don't see how. Remember you really have to show an actual connection between behavior and HARM to the person. Evidence that everyone is worked up into a tizzy isn't enough until you show that harm. Did they ask for their swimsuits back? Did they withdraw payment if they even gave Kate payment? Did they withdraw an additional offer to work with her again?
Unless that happened, there's no case. The fact that they decided to take a photo down from their own web site is neither here nor there. It's not Kate's site--that's their web site and their call, and Kate still got her freebies.
Moreover, what did Jon and Robert have to do with some haters tweeting this company? You can't prove the connection there, especially when it can be proven that vile and nasty comments have been sent to companies even when Jon and Kate were MARRIED and long before Robert and this book came on the scene. The suit is claiming Jon and Robert did this.
Finally, if what was tweeted is TRUE (i.e. the children are exploited) the idea of there being a case is even further weakened. It's not like someone went on there and said that TFW tortures kittens. What was said is that she uses her children for profit and they don't like that (however vile they said that, that was the gist of their discontent), and good luck trying to prove that's a lie. You are actually allowed to say such things when they are true and no one can sue you for it, especially about public figures. There is no suit here for simply telling a company you don't like who they are working with because they exploit their kids. Again, I think most of the tweets were unnecessary, except for the one asking the reasonable question whether the boys were paid a model's salary. But unnecessary does not equal a lawsuit.
Actually the "defective detective" is Adrian Monk which is actually a complement to anyone. But seriously, how can it be liable if you don't mention a specific person by their given name? I don't get it.
So? Even if that's true, anonymous, it's a free country. I'm not going to tell people they can't post here if they post somewhere else, that's silly.
LOL exactly. Monk!
The DD has morphed into an idea or figurehead or symbol rather than an actual person. I couldn't care less who may or may not be the DD if anyone, I just think it's funny this picture of someone scrambling around on the case sending out links and info to Radar only to have it be 100% wrong.
Radar needs to get their facts straight. No, Robert's blog page is still up and he now has a link to the gosselinbook page.
I think Kate is trying to make more drama and it's not going to work. It appears Jon's attitude is "Fine, go ahead and sue me. Been there before with TLC, got the t-shirt."
Not sure if Hoffman is working with a publishing company or has just worked with an editor and will re-release the book as an e-book. But he, too, does not seem too bothered by things. He's been prepping for this ever since the last book came out and Kate's lawyers slapped him with a C&D letter.
Kate may even win in court, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory. She wil have wasted her time, money and most important her children's emotional well being for what? To try and one up Jon? To show him she's still in control?
Jon is living his life and they always say living well is the best revenge. He's moved on and there's really nothing she can do to him anymore. Kate doesn't get that for some reason.
Which is slightly different from TFW's formula:
Problem: She needs some free swimming trunks. God forbid she'd spend her own money.
Solution: Surf the internet until you find a company to grift from.
Why it's the solution: She has eight kids and no job. Even if the boys don't like them, give the product a thumbs-up X 9 anyway, write a sloppy blog about it and she'll put the spanker away. When Mommie Dearest is happy, everyone is happy.
The catch: Pricey for the average family, but free for TFW, so who the hell cares.
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Auntie Ann you're in fine form. But then, you always are.
Here's what I am wondering about...
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If the company put the kids pictures on their website (I didn't see it, but I take the word of SG and others), then where did they get the photos? Were they lifted from Kate's blog, or did Kate give them to the company? What kind of business arrangement did they have, if any, concerning the photos and promotion on their website which involved the Gosselin boys? You just can't pull photos like that, put them on your site and say that the Gosselins wear the suits. Kate would be in an uproar over that, I would think. But if the company had her permission, then why remove them? I would think that since the Gosselins are so well known, publicity like that would really help sales. It would have been a big draw for them, so why take it down?
I am only guessing, but the specific question is were the boys paid for their modeling. I'm guessing they were not. This is apparently what made them run scared and swiffer the photos within minutes of being asked. In some states, modeling is specifically covered under child labor laws. I don't know what state they are in. They may be well aware of this and concerned that maybe they are in violation of something (even if they are not, the idea they could be is enough to make any small company gun shy). Better to just swiffer and be done with it rather than stubbornly leave them up and wonder if they'll get a call from the Department of Labor asking for their permits and other documentation.
NoNetz is based in NY and is female-owned according to website profile. Three sisters created the designs and sell them.
Too bad no one took a screenshot, it might have shown if it said copyright@kateplusmy8 or had the photographer's name or nothing. Who knows how the photos got there.
Still, I think the boys has no business promoting a company's products as they were not the ones who wrote the review...Kate did. She is using them to market herself. UGH!
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Dang, I forgot to put my name at bottom of my anonymous post about where the company was based.
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The catch: Pricey for the average family, but free for TFW, so who the hell cares.
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Well, yes, and if you can't afford pricey swimsuits because your kids don't go swimming that much, just put in a pool so you can justify the costs of the swim suits.
Yes, admin, that makes sense, but this tweet kind of puzzled me, because if there was a business arrangement, and the company was either given or purchased the photos for use on their site, and had Kate's permission to use the Gosselins Wear Our Suits promo, then why would there be a potential lawsuit?
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@magjd7 @Allisstair @SchmeckyGirl2 @Kateplusmy8 @NoNetzSuits SchmekyGril did NoNetz a favor to avoid a potential lawsuit from Kate
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I am no Kate lover but the tweeters in question were not giving reviews, they were harassing the company.
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Totally agree, but that's no reason for the company to act like children!
#bitter?????
wtf?
That's beyond amateur. Either ignore or respond with dignity. Whomever owns and/or works for this company just got down in the mud with crazy-ass Twitter Khaters. Seriously.
Look, it's insane to harass a company that Kate's associated with. Personally, I'll vote with my wallet.
FTR, it's disgusting that Kate continues to use her children for money and free swag. I don't know how anyone can live with themselves when they grift for a living and don't come by anything honestly.
Where's the sense of accomplishment?
Also, FTR, while I support Jon, I detest that his reported mission with Ed Hard was to have his kids become the faces of their children's line of clothing.
No difference to me. Still using the kids and probably making a nice 7-figure cut for himself as their "manager".
Why do those kids or any kids need to be "set for life"? Why not instill hard work and a sense of accomplishment into them? "Work" is not a four letter word!
It'll be a miracle if those kids don't grow up expecting "golden platters" at every turn.
Just my two cents: I do not see any problem with nonfans commenting to the swimsuit company about their displeasure with the company's affiliation with TFW (no matter how weak or fleeting). If the company aligned themselves with a sports star who is suspected of steroid or other drug use, a political organization or candidate- who doubtless would have fans and nonfans, or any celebrity who is suspected of a crime (hello? child abuse) it would be no surprise for there to be a backlash. Just because this small company didn't see this coming, and clearly had no idea how to handle the negative with the positive, does not necessarily mean that out-spoken detractors are wrong. Ideally, the nastiness would be kept to a minimum, on both sides, sure. Still, the swimsuit company was all to happy to trade swim trunks for TFW's review AND some extra traffic her review drummed up. Well they got that. If they handled themselves like professionals they likely would have gotten a few orders from haters along with some from the sheep. Hell, I signed up with Wantable after reading about them here. I have really loved their makeup subscription boxes, and they have really wonderful customer service. Disliking TFW did not stop me from doing business with a company with a great product; but had they behaved like the swimsuit folks- I never would have done the google search.
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The catch: Pricey for the average family, but free for TFW, so who the hell cares.
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Well, yes, and if you can't afford pricey swimsuits because your kids don't go swimming that much, just put in a pool so you can justify the costs of the swim suits.
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That's barnacle logic for ya.
New York State just passed a bill requiring for models under 18 trust accounts and very strict hours as well as set teachers and on set advocates. The fines are 1,000 per violation.
If they didn't have any of that that could be what made then run scared. Surely using models before they are well aware of the requirements. Actually the fact that a question was specifically asked about models may have made them paranoid someone was trying to allude to the new bill.
Just my two cents: I do not see any problem with nonfans commenting to the swimsuit company about their displeasure with the company's affiliation with TFW (no matter how weak or fleeting).
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Displeasure is one thing. Calling Kate a famewhore is another. They didn't just "comment." They called the company a moron and tweeted about pimping the kids. That's not acceptable in any forum.
Hmmm, fans are ranting about all the jobs TFW has lost due to the "haters" What jobs? Let's take a look, shall we?
1. K+8. We didn't watch. We have no obligation to watch a show we don't like. Ratings sucked, her attitude was horrible (confirmed by an insider in the latest Poeple article), and it got canceled. Nothing to do with Haters. Everything to do with TFW's attitude and lack of popularity.
2. Twist of Kate. Same problem as K+8. TFW was impossible to work with, couldn't bring in ratings. Why would TLC waste money on a loser? Nothing to do with haers.
3. The cruise. That failure was due, in part, to the actions of a certain fan called CJ, who was "veting" all potential cruisers. Creepy. Not the fault of haters.
4. Rock&Roll Marathons. TFW said she was unsure of running after Boston. Nothing to do with haters.
5. Coupon Cabin. CC made it clear she was fired because of her own actions, nobody else's. It's not the haters' fault she has a crappy attitude.
6. The Stir. TFW and her fans claim she completed her contract. If so, then haters had nothing to do with the job ending.
7. Her cookbook. Nobody is obliged in any way to buy a book they don't want. If is failing, and it can't be blamed on haters because there's no expectation that they will buy it.
8. The coupon site. It sucks. Nobody is using it because there are better ones out there. Not the haters' fault she did such a crappy job on it.
That is just a partial list of TFW's failures in the past 2 years. I'm sure there are some I have missed. But one thing is clear--none of them are the fault of anyone except TFW. Haters have nothing to do with any of them.
Wow, 8 major failures in just 2 years. I bet none of us have failed at so many things in such a short time. But, of course, TFW says that people want to see her fail, and they will just have to keep waiting. Truth is, we are watching her fail over and over and over...
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I am often amazed at some of the reviews on Amazon. When someone launches into an 8 paragraph rant about a $3 phone charger cord, I often wonder about that person's mental stability.
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LOL - I know what you mean. I do read the product reviews on Amazon, and I also read Yelp reviews when I'm searching for a particular business. After awhile, you get a feel for the genuine, thoughtful reviews vs. the anger-induced ones.
I also leave Amazon and Yelp reviews. Even if my review is overall negative, I try to be fair and include any positives that I also noted. (The waiting room was clean and there were plenty of magazines to read.) I am leaving a review because I think my opinion matters and I want to be honest about my experience. I appreciate it when others do the same.
If the people who run NoNetz are smart, they will look at this as a learning experience. I don't know if Kate approached them and offered to do a review in exchange for some free swim trunks, or if they approached her. Either way, if they are smart, they will review what happened. They will consider that the next time anyone who might be known to the general public approaches them with an offer to exchange a review for free merchandise, that they will do a little homework before accepting the offer. As in, "what sort of reputation does this person have? Is the overall perception positive or negative? Are we likely to gain sales or to lose sales because of our loose association with this person?"
This is what larger firms do. They don't willy nilly use any spokesperson for their firm. They do market research, they evaluate what the public perception of the proposed spokesperson is, etc. If you are a small business, you won't have the same resources, but you have the internet. You can do a Google search. It would take five minutes to search Kate Gosselin and find out that she's not popular at all. Even Tonya Harding is more popular than Kate.
Just because a business is small doesn't provide any excuse for running it stupidly. Smart business people are successful. But business owners who aren't very smart, who are rude, condescending, or immature, are generally the kind that end up going out of business. And that's their fault, not anyone else's.
Thinking Kate's endorsement was a real "get" was a huge mistake on the swimsuit company's part.
I gather from their childish retorts that they may not learn a lesson, but it should be this-- vet, vet then vet again!
Red flags are all around Kate. She is roundly despised. She just, JUST filed a lawsuit against the father of her 8 children in an effort to destroy him. Oh, she can try to obfuscate and say that she had no earthly idea who she was after when she swore to exact vengeance, but let's face it, Jon was her target.
Who does this? What sane person does this? And you think it's great that Kate endorsed your product?
Get. A. Clue.
Kate doesn't exactly have the Midas touch.
Look at her half-ass coupon site which she's putting in very little effort to promote. Then, she goes and endorses $$$$$$ swimwear. No coupon, no discount and an obvious freebie for her.
Must be nice, but how exactly is this supposed to help Moms struggling to clothe their kids?
Right now, boy's swim trunks are around $10 on sale. End of season. Perfect time to stock up. But no, buy these pricey jobbies instead.
Which is it, Kate? Are you trying to help others, or help yourself?
Never mind. We all know the answer.
This is from NoNetz website:
Kym Timpano
Mahopac, New York
http://www.nonetz.com/
We are sister's and mother's. We developed a better bathing suit that PREVENTS CHAFING after years of watching our son's and husband's suffer. Hand cut and hand made in Brooklyn, NY.
kate watched her daughters, sons and husband suffer for years at her hand and mouth. Too bad she didn't something about it to end their suffering.
It is ironic that ROL prints articles that favor kate and then put a bad picture of her on the article. Can you hear her when she sees the picture? haha
A new Wendys opened up near the Nhome the other day and a girl was going to go get supper and she asked me if I wanted anything. I said, yes! I hadn't had anything from Wendys in 8 years! I got a hamburger, chili and a small frosty. Wow, that chili was fresh and good!
Beats Nobu anyday! haha
No Netz is in NY!
No wonder they did the Swiffer shuffle so fast!
Layla, I liked your list of jobs and reasons for loss of. I did think of another reason for losing out on the cruise. The price was jacked up just to be able to be near TFW.
Wow, 8 major failures in just 2 years. I bet none of us have failed at so many things in such a short time.
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I looked at couponsbykate and she never updated the blog portion. It's from July 11!
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Kate tweeted a $5 off coupon for Blue Basics and linked to her coupon blog. Not the BB coupon, mind you, just the home page of the website. Then, I put "blue basics" in the search box, and nothing comes up!
You just can't make this shit up!
I then searched "dog food" and it did come up-second, but it's misspelled, "Blue Basic".
Come on! Don't you check anything out to see if it works?
#epicfail.
How would anyone expect Kate to succeed when she simply doesn't pay any attention to details and has zero follow through?
Also, I Googled "Target coupon code" and stopped searching for a link to Kate's site at the 6th page of results. And, Target is listed as one of her "feature" stores!
Sherry Baby, I'll have to agree to disagree with you, I guess. I am not condoning name calling (moron, the famewhore thing) but that is someone's opinion of her/the company. Someone else's opinion may be that she is a saint, and that comment would also have nothing to do with swimsuits. As to pimping out the kids, that is absolutely a fair comment to make on that site, as that is exactly the problem they have with her affiliation with that company- that she is using her children for her own gain-and by association, the company's gain too.
I guess I just accept that the internet is full of all kinds. Just like many say here, scroll on by if you don't like what one person has written. When I go reading product reviews and come across a super ragey one, I assume there is something else going on besides disliking a product, and disregard it. Same with the rainbows and sunshine ones, I disregard those because there's no need to get so excited about a power cord, or a swim suit, or whatever.
Like I said in my previous comment, I don't see a problem with the public voicing their opinions about a large or small company regarding what they perceive as a poor decision. If they are carrying on like lunatics, that will be obvious to anyone who reads those comments. If the company engages in name calling, which this company did, then they've only hurt themselves and have no one else to blame. Frankly, a simple google search would have clued them in to the controversy TFW brings to everything she does. She is accused of abusing her children, her animals, of making money off her children's privacy to avoid working herself: I personally do not think she is a suitable spokesperson for any product or service that caters to families, and I have boycotted and written letters to companies that sponored the show. I just don't see how this is different.
Respectfully, LeeLee
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 197
Even if the company thought they were talking to Jon due to the avatar, their tweet was still unprofessional. If they're smart they'll apologize for the little twitter war that they got sucked into and in the future just answer negative tweets with a "thank you for your opinion and please try our suits because they speak for themselves".
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Exactly. I can't feel sorry for them. They accused someone of having man issues. WTH?? That is outrageously rude and unprofessional. Again I say can you imagine a company like Nike tweeting that? I think that would make the news.
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Funny, but when EM Tanner was blatantly unprofessional in her online communication, you had no problem with THAT.
Em Tanner was defending herself against a direct attack from a well know celeb she had worked with. It was not a random driveby. It was her former business partner. And, once she got her point across I said she should move on. It's apples and oranges to this situation. Also when did Em Tanner take pot shots at Kate saying she had issues and that she was bitter? Never. It was so bad that Jon even had to call Em to apologize for Kate. Speaks volumes since he was actually in the know about that business relationship.
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It doesn't matter if that's just the way things are these days. The attorneys could use what happened with NoNetz as an example. Furthermore they could say because of the lawsuit many of the non-fans have become more quiet on her Twitter timeline and that there were more negative comments in the past. It's an example for all to see.
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I see what you're saying. And I agree that leaving nasty tweets for a company about Kate isn't really a productive or helpful thing. But it happens all the time, and anyone who is in business and dealing with the public needs to learn how to deal with such things professionally, or else look as bad as the people who tweeted such things.
I also think it's perfectly acceptable for the general public to let a business know if they disapprove of the way they do business. Kate has been grifting and living off her children from day 1. I'm heartily sick of it, and every time another company gives her free stuff, it irks me. Not enough to send that company a tweet or an e-mail, but I can understand why some people do so.
Kate's attorneys could certainly try to use this in their lawsuit, but it wouldn't help their case. Unless the tweets are clearly from either Jon or Robert, it would not bolster their claim that Jon and Robert have been colluding to damage Kate's reputation.
Comment from me on 3-21-12 thread about Em tanner:
"I would have the same advice for Em Tanner. [We were talking about not engaging on Twitter] In fact lots of people have said she made her point now and should go away."
Nice try but there was no hypocrisy here. We said the same thing about Em.
Millicent (37) and Tucker's Mom (38)
You guys must have posted as I was typing, LOL. You made my points better than I did too. This is why I go so long between comments- someone here always says it better and before I even get caught up. Cheers.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 45
Em Tanner was defending herself against a direct attack from a well know celeb she had worked with. It was not a random driveby. It was her former business partner. And, once she got her point across I said she should move on. It's apples and oranges to this situation. Also when did Em Tanner take pot shots at Kate saying she had issues and that she was bitter? Never. It was so bad that Jon even had to call Em to apologize for Kate. Speaks volumes since he was actually in the know about that business relationship.
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EM Tanner got in a ridiculous Twitter war that made her look completely unprofessional. And yes, I would say that language like this qualifies as taking a potshot:
"got more hate mail than anything TRUST ME do NOT use YOU as a marketing tool LOLOL. u are a piece of work!"
This is not how professionals should conduct themselves in public, period. Just because you happened to agree with her doesn't make her conduct any more professional.
Why are they always so hellbent on proving there is something hypocritical here. It's gotten to the point where they won't even go back and check the old Em Tanner thread before declaring gotchya!!! Now they look like idiots since that thread said pretty much the same thing as now. It's no gotchya at all.
Hypocrisy I don't agree with that particular pot shot and said so. Even back in 2012 I said so. We agree, so I have no idea what you're getting at here since we agree.
My issue is not that they responded. They have every right to do that. My issue is the unprofessional immature slam. They have a right to respond as any business does whose code of conduct permits response. But they shouldn't have been immature about it and neither should have Em. But Em's initial defense of herself was entirely justified. It wasn't until later she got drawn in and lost it a bit. She stopped and didn't do it again, so it's over now. Chalk it up to a learning experience.
Businesses should not be expected to lay down and die when they are attacked. Especially by someone you used to work with. There was nothing wrong with Ms. Tanner defending herself. Much later in the game she got in over her head and that's when people stopped cheering her on so get your facts straight about that. No one said this company can't defend themselves. They just asked they not name call when doing it just like what was asked of Ms. Tanner when Kate attacked her They went straight to name calling. Straight to it.
Kate also kept going on and on against Em for days. She posted that what Em did was not legal, an extremely libelous comment if not true. We also said Em should zip it and just print out what was said in case she needed to take legal action. They both needed to stop and hash this out in private and we said so repeatedly.
It would be easier for Em to stop if a celeb with over 100,000 followers would stop libeling her and attacking her on twitter. Em emailed us at one point completely baffled at what was happening. She really couldn't believe Kate's random rampage against her out of the blue. Em was used to attacks from customers like nonfans and always handled it well. A celeb and business partner is a whole different beast. She was really quite blindsided by the whole thing.
There is nothing wrong with defending yourself, if done in a professional manner. Her FIRST tweet on the subject was not professional and it went downhill from there.
This was her initial Tweet in response to Kate: "OMG. kate u and jon sent stuff left and right..use however. dont want ur name on a THING. no worries!! LMBO." There is nothing remotely professional about it. Imagine receiving that response in a letter in the mail. Would you consider it appropriate? Come on. Let's be honest here.
I'm glad you posted that since I forgot how unprofessional it was. My mistake. I agree she was unprofessional. She sounds mostly baffled to me. Is this really happening baffled, given how much she bent over backwards for the family. In any case a simple I'm sorry you feel that way and ill contact you privately to discuss the matter would have been so much better. We did all say even back then Em took it too far. Even me. I think at the time I was simply relieved someone finally stood up to Kate. She has a long history of walking all over people. Em stood up to someone who could bury her legally and isn't afraid to try.
I don't know if anyone noticed this on the company's website: they asked her to vote for them in a contest Martha Stewart was running for something. I forgot what. They tweeted her on August 28th. I also didn't find a link to her review--maybe they swiffered it too. But it got me to thinking. What's the connection with the contest and the review?
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Layla said: Wow, 8 major failures in just 2 years.
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Lets be fair though. Se also had some major accomplishments. She was "Jackhole of the day" TWICE and she also made AC's "Rediculist".....oh wait, never mind.
100 years ago when my boys were little I simply cut the mesh liners out of their swim trunks. Problem solved.
LB there's no connection between the contest and the review. The company just asked TFW to retweet the contest link in hopes of getting people to vote for them.
LeeLee said... 48
Millicent (37) and Tucker's Mom (38)
You guys must have posted as I was typing, LOL. You made my points better than I did too. This is why I go so long between comments- someone here always says it better and before I even get caught up. Cheers
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Hey don't sell yourself short. I've read your posts and you are always articulate and to the point :) I have the same reaction - I post something, then I scroll down and see some smart posters have already expressed the same thought as I have, usually in a better fashion.
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NJGal51 said... 58
Lets be fair though. Se also had some major accomplishments. She was "Jackhole of the day" TWICE and she also made AC's "Rediculist".....oh wait, never mind.
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That gave me a good chuckle!
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A new Wendys opened up near the Nhome the other day and a girl was going to go get supper and she asked me if I wanted anything. I said, yes! I hadn't had anything from Wendys in 8 years! I got a hamburger, chili and a small frosty. Wow, that chili was fresh and good!
Beats Nobu anyday! haha"
I want to try that sandwich with the pretzel bun..keep seeing ads for it on TV.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 19
It doesn't matter if that's just the way things are these days. The attorneys could use what happened with NoNetz as an example.
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I don't see how. Remember you really have to show an actual connection between behavior and HARM to the person. Evidence that everyone is worked up into a tizzy isn't enough until you show that harm. Did they ask for their swimsuits back? Did they withdraw payment if they even gave Kate payment? Did they withdraw an additional offer to work with her again?
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In a perfect world. In the real world we all know attorney's (not all attorneys) can and often throw just about anything up against the wall to see what sticks. Isn't that exactly what this lawsuit is?
I didn't say what happened with NoNetz could help Kate win her lawsuit. I merely think the haters timing was poor and offensive. The end.
I went back and read the Em Tanner TwitterGate post and wow is all I can say.
Em showed great restraint. Yes, everything should have been handled privately, but her responses were nowhere in the bush-league of this swimwear company.
Em responded- didn't instigate, but defended herself because Kate trashed her out of nowhere, saying that Em was making money off of her name and she was getting none, which was a LIE.
Em was paying J+K for them linking to her site. A monthly fee.
She's a mom of 4 with her own business and Kate, who will bemoan to anyone who will listen, that it's so hard financially to raise small kids, doesn't have the decency to just glad, "glad I could help by lending my name". In fact, Kate charged that Em used her name when she asked her not to.
Great support to a fellow mom!
Em bent over backwards for Kate. Kate would tell Em to supply xyz for her show taping and Em would snap to it to get it to Kate by Kate's deadline.
All for free.
I'd say Kate was the ungrateful one.
No one makes money off Kate's kids but Kate.
Hey, is Kate suing Anderson Cooper and Andy Cohen for lambasting her on TV?
@HaTeRsStAnK: @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 The haters attacked an American company yesterday, of which one of the founders has multiple sclerosis, SO SHAMEFUL
@HaTeRsStAnK: @Kateplusmy8 I hope your boys aren't feeling bad today because their pics were removed from @NoNetzSuits . Haters have no shame
Did they even know that one of the founders has MS? Why would the boys feel bad about something they probably knew nothing about.
Will it never end?
Thanks Tucker. And the important distinction is this is someone who knew Em and worker with Em. A partner. And a celeb people are watching. Any small business owner would be very worried those unscrupulous attacks might affect their business. In contrast a business owner should probably not worry about a few negative attacks from random people they don't know as long as overall they have good reviews. The average customer writes off a few bad reviews. But would probably perk up a lot more if a bad review came from someone who really knows you and your business and even worked with you.
If Kate attacked this swimsuit company like this I would support them in defending themselves because that's different than some drive by.
You probably can't find a product on amazon that doesn't have at least a few scathing reviews. That's different than a famous partner trashing you out of the blue.
Admin> think of it on these terms> those 2 businesses, were embarassed, felt stupid, did not do their research(especially the swim suit) on Kate to really see how popular or un-popular she is or not. That is why they got snippy. The problem with most businesses and reporters & media, is they do not do research. I always take it to mean that someone at the swim suit company is a Kate fan. Since most everyone else is avoiding her. Think of the beach house last year, that company wised up this year, no freebee, no attacks by haters, former fans, non-fans and people who just can't stand Kate getting freebees when she did not earn it. Perhaps the employee of the beach house company thought that Kate is a draw, cause of her twitter account claiming 167,000 followers, thinking wow we can rent beach houses to these people, but finding out it was a bust. People did not come out in droves, to rent. They did get a lot of nasty e-mails. Kate is not a very loved or liked person.
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@HaTeRsStAnK: @BullyVille @Kateplusmy8 The haters attacked an American company yesterday, of which one of the founders has multiple sclerosis, SO SHAMEFUL
@HaTeRsStAnK: @Kateplusmy8 I hope your boys aren't feeling bad today because their pics were removed from @NoNetzSuits . Haters have no shame
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I think the boys are probably upset because their mom is suing their dad. I can't imagine how frightened they must be, but yeah, let's worry about the fact that a company took their photo down.
Clueless.
If these dumb dumbs think that the boys are even aware of something so insignificant, why would they not know about something as serious and profound as a lawsuit?
But yeah, the boys are going to be sad about that, not their dad losing everything. The REAL cruelty here folks isn't that Kate is suing Jon. No, no. The real tragedy is that a company took their photo down.
Or maybe the boys are feeling bad to realize some stranger plastered their pic on their site. Maybe they found it embarrassing and disconcerting. They're not babies anymore and surely are starting to develop thoughts and feelings on being used. All equally possible things they could be feeling.
Shouldn't the dumb fans be upset with this company? They're the ones who caved right away at the first mention of anything amiss. They didn't exactly have Kate's back. They surrendered faster than a fan can out a nonfan. That's their problem if they can't stand up to a little heat.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 14
Gayle, someone (I think a FAN) noticed that Em had a "Kate's Calendar" up and mentioned it to Kate. As I recall, she mentioned it because she was excited about it and thrilled to find it. She was not trying to cause drama.
Kate then took it upon herself to freak out and said something like it's sad when people use your name without your permission for profit. Goodness gracious, if she is taking issue with such a thing why wouldn't you pick up the phone or call a lawyer? On Twitter, seriously?
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Lol, wait.... when the fan first asked about the calendar didn't TFW play dumb first? I'm sure someone will be able to find the exchange... when asked where she got the calendar, TFW said she got the calendar on the internet- but it was very rare and hard to find. TFW was very sure they weren't even made any more. Gayle or another fan tweeted a few minutes later that they found it on Em Tanner. Then the shizzle hit the fan.
Tucker's Mom said... 64
Em bent over backwards for Kate. Kate would tell Em to supply xyz for her show taping and Em would snap to it to get it to Kate by Kate's deadline.
All for free.
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How is that bending over backwards? It was a business transaction, not a personal favor. She supplied free product in exchange for free advertising. I have to meet my client's deadlines all the time. It's not bending over backwards, it's my job. This is no different.
Because Kate would give Em no notice and demand her free things immediately. Em must have stayed up for days on end to get them there. That's bending over backwards. Common courtesy and good business practice allows a reasonable amount of time to fulfill orders. Everything was custom made. It was rude and unreasonable especially when she has many other paying customers who stood in line and gave her a reasonable amount of time to fulfill their orders. Why should their orders be pushed back because Kate jumped in and wants eight shirts for tomorrow's shoot?
The fans are going to gripe about how the haters caused TFW to lose another business opportunity (NoNetzSuits). Fact, is, she was probably sent free suits for the boys and asked for a review. TFW got free swimsuits, the company got their review. Done deal. Didn't take anything away from TFW--she already received the suits, already saved money by getting them for free. And I wouldn't be surprised to hear that she sent them the picture of the boys, then demanded money for its use. We don't know that it was the haters' complaints that got it pulled. I wouldn't put it past TFW to attach the photo, implying that it could be used, then said, "I didn't give you permission to use that ! Pay up!".
I was reading some earlier comments about TFW "piecing and patching", and it's odd--she really does seem to be scrambling for cash. But then spends frivolously at the same time. That's just not logical at all. But it does remind me of a neighbor who just lost her house to foreclosure. She was always a big spender, had to have the best of everything. Right up until the day she lost her home. Another neighbor who spoke to her said her explanation was, " When you get used to a big lifestyle, you can't go back. You just keep it up and hope something will change". In this case, it didn't. Maybe TFW is the same way? That definitely sounds like TFW logic.
It doesn't matter if Em chose to consent to it, it's still rude and unreasonable. It is not right to take advantage of a business's good graces whether they consent or not. If I were starting out I would probably hop to and fulfill whatever order I could on whatever deadline they wanted. It does not mean it is morally right for customers to take advantage of that much less use their star power to do so. I'm surprised a business woman would brush off such bullying tactics and defend Kate on this. Quite shocking.
You should change your name to something not so condescending Hypocricy then we might be able to discus this further. And also use the name you normally use. Unless you're claiming to be a newbie here. If so, welcome.
Em complied with all of Kate's demands. Kate took advantage of Em's generosity because she's so entitled.
Em contacted Kate before the show got huge. Sure, it was product placement and freebies in exchange for a link to Em on the G's website.
End of story? No.
After the show became a hit, Kate started charging Em to keep the link up on her site. Never mind it wasn't the agreement and that it was underhanded, sneaky and greedy.
Kate's starting to make major coin and goes back on her agreement with Em, a hard working mom of 4. Nice.
And Kate, well, being Kate, never lets anything go. She's like an elephant when it comes to grudges. YEARS later, Kate finds out that Em is calling the calendar the "Kate" calendar (for easy clarity when folks placed orders) and instead of picking up the phone and handling like an adult, she takes her spat to Twitter for all to see.
You know who did pick up the phone and call Em? Jon.
Jon called to offer her support and thank her for everything she gave them and apologized. He was embarrassed and wanted Em to know that he was grateful, unlike Kate.
Em bent over backwards to meet Kate's demands, NEVER said a word about Kate suddenly started to charge her once fame got to her head or how much vitriol she received for giving her products to Kate, and was truly shocked and hurt by Kate and wished she's never been involved with her in the first place.
But hey, everyone who meets Kate likes her, right?
Lol, wait.... when the fan first asked about the calendar didn't TFW play dumb first? I'm sure someone will be able to find the exchange... when asked where she got the calendar, TFW said she got the calendar on the internet- but it was very rare and hard to find. TFW was very sure they weren't even made any more. Gayle or another fan tweeted a few minutes later that they found it on Em Tanner. Then the shizzle hit the fan.
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Here are the tweets that started the EmTanner fiasco. Notice how EmTanner didn't respond to Kate's tweet until 2 days after Kate's tweet dissing EmTanner.
Jess duncan @Jessandken04 17 Mar 12
@Kateplusmy8 Im lookin 4 a calndr for fridge lik ur pink 1. Was in hard not havin squares on it 4 ea. day what size was urs? Did u like it?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 17 Mar 12
@Jessandken04 online. It was fantastic!Good luck finding one!:) hang it high enough so that dry erase marker isn't accidentally wiped off!;)
Jess duncan @Jessandken04 17 Mar 12
@Kateplusmy8 @Jessandken04 i found that exact one on em tanners website. Its called Kate's calendar :)
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 17 Mar 12
@Jessandken04 yeah, think she marketed my calendar w/o my consent. Sad when ppl use your name for gain without permission! :(
em tanner @emtannerdesigns 19 Mar 12
@Kateplusmy8 @Jessandken04 got more hate mail than anything TRUST ME do NOT use YOU as a marketing tool LOLOL. u are a piece of work!
Also, notice how Kate tweeted how fantastic the calendar was until she found out that it was called "Kate's calendar". So yes, Kate was the one who started it.
The fan just wanted a calendar and instead of allowing her to buy it from a hard working mom Kate swooped in and made a libelous claim that Em marketed it without her consent. It didn't even say Gosselin on it and since it WAS on the show Em has every darn right to market it as the calendar as seen on the show. Period.
I also notice how Em pointed out that she had been dealing with hate mail due to her association with Kate. Did Kate ever thank her for sticking by her despite that? Doubt it. Did Em ever once respond in a nasty manner to a non fan's hate mail? Not that we ever heard. And you can bet a non fan would have said so had she done so, since back then Em was batting for Kate's team.
I know where I stand after refreshing my memory with those tweets. Em was not seeking out Kate in any manner or knowingly stepping into it like the trunks co. did. She simply had a calendar, HER design that was on the show, for sale. One of many products. She hadn't mentioned Kate in years. Kate broadsided her out of the blue!
And yes she waited days before she replied.
If we want to talk hypocrisy let's talk KATE attacking a nice Anerican company minding its own business. Who is really attacking here?
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I love how Kate calls it "my" calendar, but did Em take to Twitter and tell everyone that Kate didn't make the calendar. Em did. It's Em's calendar that she gave to Kate.
Yes, Kate was totally cagey about where the calendar came from. It takes a real piece of work to get free products and then not send business Em's way when someone specifically asks you where to get it.
I'd have said "great calendar, we love it, go to Em Tanner".
That is just how nasty she is.
The only thing I clearly remember about the Kate vs Em fiasco is that Jon got in touch with Em and thanked her for everything she'd done for them.
That says it all as far as I'm concerned.
Jon stood up for someone that Kate was bullying.
How ironic is that?
Em Tanner also tweeted that she found out about Kate's tweet through emails sent to her:
em tanner @emtannerdesigns 19 Mar 12
@Chablis4u @flowermonkeyz @kateplusmy8 oh well, just found it unfair that years later i get emails that im being badmouthed. RANDOM.
em tanner @emtannerdesigns 19 Mar 12
@Chablis4u @BHappyLoveLaugh @aka_someone @MiloandJack @Jessandken04 @Kateplusmy8 actually i received an email outta the blue on her tweet?
em tanner @emtannerdesigns 19 Mar 12
@hgraymommy @Kateplusmy8 @MiloandJack @Jessandken04 never thought id be bashed for sending free stuff in support of the show. YEARS AGO.=)
Oh! And I should add ... Jon wasn't looking for publicity OR payment when he stood up to Em's bully. He didn't say a word. We wouldn't have known about it except for Em.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 76
It doesn't matter if Em chose to consent to it, it's still rude and unreasonable. It is not right to take advantage of a business's good graces whether they consent or not. If I were starting out I would probably hop to and fulfill whatever order I could on whatever deadline they wanted. It does not mean it is morally right for customers to take advantage of that much less use their star power to do so. I'm surprised a business woman would brush off such bullying tactics and defend Kate on this. Quite shocking.
You should change your name to something not so condescending Hypocricy then we might be able to discus this further. And also use the name you normally use. Unless you're claiming to be a newbie here. If so, welcome.
I never said that it is okay to be rude and unreasonable. What I said, and will stand behind, is that EM Tanner made a conscious choice to do business with someone she found difficult because she thought it was in the best interest of her business. That doesn't make her a saint nor a wonderful person. She may be a lovely person, I have no clue. My point is that it is irrelevant.) If she bent over backwards, she didn't do so for KATE, she did so for her business. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend otherwise.
How is that bending over backwards? It was a business transaction, not a personal favor. She supplied free product in exchange for free
advertising. 73
WHAT free advertising? I don't remember TWF mentioning any of the businesses that gave them freebies by name. I never heard of Em
Tanner until she was mentioned on this blog.
Yes, sadly I did watch the show.
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Em complied with all of Kate's demands. Kate took advantage of Em's generosity because she's so entitled.
Em contacted Kate before the show got huge. Sure, it was product placement and freebies in exchange for a link to Em on the G's website.
End of story? No.
After the show became a hit, Kate started charging Em to keep the link up on her site. Never mind it wasn't the agreement and that it was underhanded, sneaky and greedy.
Kate's starting to make major coin and goes back on her agreement with Em, a hard working mom of 4. Nice.
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How do you know all this? Unless you are EM Tanner, you are repeating one side of the story as fact, without actually knowing what happened. EM Tanner's version of events may be 100% true. I have no idea and neither do you.
For the millionth time, it's not GENEROSITY. It's business. They are not one and the same.
If we want to talk hypocrisy let's talk KATE attacking a nice Anerican company minding its own business. Who is really attacking here?
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Now now. Our Katie is really quite sweet. Almost Mother Teresa incarnate. If you want proof just look what she wrote about herself on the BV site:
"I wish they could look at the world the way I and many others do, as a place that needs endless love, help and positivity. I teach my kids to reach out and help others when they fall instead of stomping on them and passing by. I also teach them to feel happiness for others successes, not jealousy."
Oy. Move over Syrup of Ipecac.
"great calendar, we love it, go to Em Tanner
Nine words and whole thing could have been avoided. Whole thing. Lol.
I haven't read all of this second page of comments, but I just want to say this as a 'non Kate fan' who has also always felt kind of sorry for her.
I can't imagine being so delusional as to think, we have two kids we can barely afford, but let's have more.
I can't imagine having 6 more with NO REALISTIC PLAN on how to financially care for them.
Depending on PA taxpayers or a reality show IS NOT REALISTIC.
She lucked out there with TLC. Does she NOT see that was simply a stroke of luck? It was NOT her talent. Unless birthing children via c-section is a talent?
I can't imagine being Kate's age and not having a career, or anything to fall back on, and having 8 kids.
Here is what pissed me off about Kate - listen up Mr. Bullyville.
There are THOUSANDS of people out there who would like to be parents. For whatever reason, they can't be.
Most of us THINK about if we can afford children and/or how many. Yes, occasionally we have that oopsie! :-) NOT SIX OOPSIES!
That being said ... I'm born and raised Catholic .. I know a LOT of families with more than 8 kids. I don't know ANY family who made their children WORK to provide for the parents.
Parents are supposed to PROVIDE for their children, not the other way around.
Was I pissed at Jon for a long time. You betcha! I do believe he's taken a better path and is trying to atone for his mistakes and most especially NOT USE HIS CHILDREN to pay his bills.
That's what pisses me off about Kate Gosselin. Just in case anyone cares :-)
I teach my kids to reach out and help others when they fall instead of stomping on them and passing by. I also teach them to feel happiness for others successes, not jealousy."
I see now she was just helping out Em and wanted her to feel happiness and success. Clearly.
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How is that bending over backwards? It was a business transaction, not a personal favor. She supplied free product in exchange for free
advertising. 73
WHAT free advertising? I don't remember TWF mentioning any of the businesses that gave them freebies by name. I never heard of Em
Tanner until she was mentioned on this blog.
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Product placement. The names of businesses don't have to be mentioned for it to qualify as advertising.
Of course she was just sharin the love. How could we have been so wrong about her all this time? Well that's it. I'm convinced.
See you guys around....
I'm guessing that it is real, real quiet on the TFW twitter page since we are discussing Em Tanner over and over again. Forgive me, it is really hot here in SoCal.
New Name/Hypocrite -- I don't remember all the details. Others have much better recollections. But, I did go to Tanner's site for the first time during the controversy. I placed 3 separate orders. I WANTED to support her and her business.
I do remember thinking that she had become caught up in the Kate buzz saw of anger and confusion.
To use your phrase, "for the millionth time" -- Kate does not get along with family, friends or former co-workers. She has left a wide swath of destruction through several lives.
"I wish they could look at the world the way I and many others do, as a place that needs endless love, help and positivity.
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
"I'm miserable, but then, someone's got to be"
"If you get me wet, you won't get dinner!"
Delusional. It would be funny, but 8 kids are involved.
AuntieAnn said... 88
Oy. Move over Syrup of Ipecac.
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No crap!!
I'd never read that. Thank you for posting.
I wonder about someone who could write that (truly think that about herself) yet take the role/actions that she's taken? Truly a divided 'self', which is quite scary in the big scheme of things.
Somebody on GWOP posted a letter they received from the company after complaining:
Thanks for your feedback!
We listen to all of our customers quite closely.
Just to clarify, Kate Gosselin reviewed our product.
She didn't sponsor it and we don't have an ongoing relationship with her.
Much like the page of reviews we have on our site , we wanted her to test out our suits since her sons suffer from the chafing rash and give us feedback. We are really active listeners.
She liked the suits , they solved the chafing problem for her boys and she offered to write a review.
We did have to pay her for the review but we view it as an advertising expense, nothing more.
If there's any feedback you can give us about the bathing suits, something you'd like to see, something we've missed, please let us know.
Our goal is to provide the most comfortable bathing suits for guys.
Thanks for taking the time to write us.
Cathy
NoNetz.com
She has left a wide swath of destruction through several lives.
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Dmasy, so true. I have always thought she is very much like a tornado. She seems to have the ability to destroy people and surroundings wherever she touches down.
Did you guys know that there is a coupon site called> Couponkatie.com, Kate's site is called couponsbykate. I'm surprised that Kate has not gotten her lawyer to sent this Katie to shut down her coupon site, cause she is using her name. Thus confusing her fans.
We did have to pay her for the review but we view it as an advertising expense, nothing more
Well, of course you paid her...Kate Gosselin does nothing for free. I really do feel sorry for them - they got "Gosselined".
Parents are supposed to PROVIDE for their children, not the other way around.
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Went to Catholic school. 8 kids? Big deal. Try double digits and then maybe I'll blink.
I was reading a letter in the Ask Amy column in the newspaper and a step dad wrote in and said that he wished his 14-year old step daughter, who he is raising alone now, would show appreciation for everything he's doing for her.
Amy answered that she'll get there, but for now, the child's job is simply growing up and she cant be saddled with his need for gratitude.
I thought about the G ids who have to attend to Kate's endless need for "thank yous" and "the meal is a 10!" and "Mommy, your belly is so hard" and massages.... on and on and on.
NoNetz said, "We did have to pay her for the review but we view it as an advertising expense, nothing more."
They PAID her?
They PAID for that yippee ki yay review?
Payment must not have been by-the-word or she would have inserted several more amazingish !!! words.
Product placement. The names of businesses don't have to be mentioned for it to qualify as advertising. 92
I'll agree that there was "product placement", but how does that advertise the business when the product isn't sourced? Generally with
product placement the name of the product or business is shown. Not so in Em's case. Even when asked, TWF said "I found it on the
internet".
Some advertising.
Thanks for taking the time to write us.
Cathy
NoNetz.com
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Professional response, but here's the rub (pardon the pun)- does everyone need to know that Kate's boys' balls are chafing. Seriously? When does it stop?
Note Cathy said they paid Kate, not that they gave Kate the suits. So, did Kate get a fee AND free suits? You've got to be kidding me.
Hoosier Girl said... 97
I wonder about someone who could write that (truly think that about herself) yet take the role/actions that she's taken? Truly a divided 'self', which is quite scary in the big scheme of things.
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As Tucker's Mom said "Delusional". Really, there can be no other explanation. How can see herself so differently than how she presents herself? It's madness.
Sherry Baby, I'll have to agree to disagree with you, I guess. I am not condoning name calling (moron, the famewhore thing) but that is someone's opinion of her/the company.
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That may be someone's opinion of the company, but the mature way to express that opinion is NOT calling Kate a fame whore and the company a moron, and accusing her of pimping her kids, or whatever it was. It makes them look like haters out to get Kate, which is really what they are. If you have a problem with a company, you contact them and you express your opinion, but you don't provoke them with salacious attacks. That's not the way to express an opinion, nor is it a step in solving a problem. I have opinions of a few companies and I'd love to verbally tell them exactly what I think, but I don't. You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. Nothing good ever comes of a back and forth bashing.
The company responded in the same way...unprofessionally and without considering how this would make them look.
Both sides, in my opinion, showed that they don't know how to comment and respond in a respectful manner.
Isn't she supposed to dislose if she got free product or was paid for the review??
"We did have to pay her for the review but we view it as an advertising expense, nothing more"
Of course free $37 swim shorts weren't enough for Kate. She would squeeze water out of sand in the desert (if water was money)
I saw this comment and though that it was tweeted about MIlo, but then realized that it was sent by a fan about the non-fans. I guess they don't know that a nosy Gladys exists among their own flock! Sheep are funny!
Jacqueline Spalding @JacquieSpalding 1h
@MY_3BCOLLIES @Kateplusmy8 @NoNetzSuits Wonder if they have their noses in their neighbours business like they do in all Kates business!
Mel said... 108
Isn't she supposed to dislose if she got free product or was paid for the review??
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Yes. She wrote that she was asked to review the suits, but does not disclose that the suits were free and perhaps she also was paid.
I can't believe she hasn't been audited by the IRS yet.
Mel, here are the guidelines:
http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus71-ftcs-revised-endorsement-guideswhat-people-are-asking
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Do you think maybe she pulled the photo so she wouldn't have to give the boys their share of HER money? Now all they did was wear them and tell mom they felt good so she could keep all the cash.
Note Cathy said they paid Kate, not that they gave Kate the suits. So, did Kate get a fee AND free suits? You've got to be kiddin
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They PAID her for writing that thing? With money...actual Benjamins? Wow...did they ever get gypped.
Wouldn't they have to put a disclaimer saying that Khate was paid for "her" review.
Paula said... 101
I really do feel sorry for them - they got "Gosselined".
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LOL!
Lukebandit...
I also noticed that all of the recent articles have old pictures with a stone cold are in her eyes. I'm guessing these were not take on one of her zero dirty looks days.
Tucker's Mom- ITA about the boys chafing being made public. Also, very nprofessional al for a company to give out that info.
Ex Nurse
Do you think maybe she pulled the photo so she wouldn't have to give the boys their share of HER money?
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Well according to NYS law you have to set up a trust account for models and pay 15% into it in addition to paying them. However I'm not sure that would apply since this shoot took place in PA. However, Rep. Murt's law DOES include models so they need to follow all the new provisions, including a set teacher and putting their money earned in trust. (A: Yes, The term “perform” or “performance” is defined under the Pennsylvania Child Labor Act as “The providing of artistic or creative services to a live audience or recorded for exhibition or broadcast to an audience. This term shall include modeling”.)
Think that happened? *cough*!
Why is this company still talking? They are burying Kate by outing this whole thing as a paid endorsement and not just out of the goodness of my heart I found a great product! It's a relief they were respectful this time, but I think it's disgusting to disclose the boys had chaffing problems. No one has a right to do that, much less a stranger. There goes their social lives. What is WRONG with people? Has the internet become THIS open that we'll just talk about all this stuff no matter how mortifying to the child?
Ahh, the problems of the 1%. Spend so much time in your luxury pool you're chaffing.
"Amy answered that she'll get there, but for now, the child's job is simply growing up and she cant be saddled with his need for gratitude."
Wow, that's great. Saddled with gratitude. It's not about him and him being made to feel the best. Do not have kids just to feed your ego. That is not their responsibility.
They PAID her for writing that thing? With money...actual Benjamins? Wow...did they ever get gypped.
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All the more reason to do their research. No one can be blamed but them for this. Whenever you enter into a paid agreement with someone, you are supposed to do your research. When it's a celebrity endorsement that means getting a feel for how the public perceives them. It's not just a few vile tweets to them. The public in general doesn't like her, that's a fact that Kate herself even admits, and to go in there and act surprised by this is just ignorant. Had they just typed in Kate Gosselin they would have seen she was suing her children's father, which should have been a huge red flag no matter who the celeb is. And heaven forbid they should read some of the comments, just a sampling, they would have been able to get a good gauge of how the public felt. I have always been the first to say leave companies alone, but this really is different this time for the many reasons we've stated. At a certain point, you stop being the victim and start being responsible for your company and the deals you make. Since many other small businesses are able to handle this task just fine, they have no excuse not to do the same.
I checked out the NoNetzSuits site to see what TFW's review said, and I couldn't find it. Nothing on the reviews page, no picture, no mention of the G's at all. Did they remove it? Or am I looking in the wrong place?
they have their noses in their neighbours business like they do in all Kates business!
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LOL. How can they say this with a straight face. It is our business. Kate specifically reached out to the public and asked them to buy a swimsuit, and got a cut for doing so.
If she were just quietly buying some swimsuit from them and not asking the PUBLIC to buy what she bought too so she could get her cut, that would be none of our business. Kate specifically invited the public in. It's her problem if they don't like how this turned out. The public has a right to ask whatever questions they want to of a snake oil salesman before they fork over 40 bucks a kid for a swimsuit.
Much like the page of reviews we have on our site , we wanted her to test out our suits since her sons suffer from the chafing rash and give us feedback. We are really active listeners.
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How did they know this in the first place? Did Kate email a bunch of swimsuit companies crying about the poor poor boys and their chaffing please sir could I have a freebie? Did they go around emailing various celebrities who have boys asking if chaffing was a problem?
It's just WEIRD. And also super awkward.
I'm guessing that it is real, real quiet on the TFW twitter page since we are discussing Em Tanner over and over again. Forgive me, it is really hot here in SoCal.
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I imagine so. No one can complain this company was attacked when KATE attacked Em Tanner the same way last year. And that was even worse because Em wasn't even reaching out to her or doing ANYTHING but minding her own business supporting her family and working hard on a few products that happened to at one time be gladly accepted for showing on the T.V. series.
Orange! It's unbelievably hot! I don't have air. I don't think I've slept soundly in a week and a half. When is this supposed to end again? I don't remember a heat wave this bad in years, although thankfully it's only our second one of the whole summer and probably the last.
How did they know this in the first place? Did Kate email a bunch of swimsuit companies crying about the poor poor boys and their chaffing please sir could I have a freebie?
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Had I known that chafing was a problem, I would have given Kate the name of a store in her area that sells suits without those dang nets...and they don't cost $40 each. I wonder if she shops for these kids, or if she has someone do it for her. Obviously she doesn't know much about what to buy when it comes to boys' swim suits.
LOL. How can they say this with a straight face. It is our business. Kate specifically reached out to the public and asked them to buy a swimsuit, and got a cut for doing so.
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I believe that the fan who posted that has historically been just a little bit ditzy and a kisser-upper.
For the millionth time, it's not GENEROSITY. It's business. They are not one and the same.
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Some people believe that morals, ethics, kindness, reasonableness, and checking rudeness and demanding behavior at the door, oh and even generosity are all part of good business. Many business people do not believe in "it's just business." You may disagree, but I truly believe that Em contacted this family in large part because she truly wanted to help. She of course knew it would help sales too, but I don't believe that was her only motivation. Like many people before her who have tried to help this family, her heart was in the right place. It wasn't until ages later that they suddenly made it big and it was decided her products would go on T.V. She had no way of knowing such a thing could possibly happen.
I remember many of us bought things from Em after this to support her.
Oh and speaking of generosity, after this incident Em Tanner sent me a free cell phone cover for iphone 4 that said realitytvkids.com. She did it just because. Not expecting anything in return. The photo of it should be somewhere here. It's very nice although I can't use it because I don't have a 4 anymore. If anyone wants it it's yours. I had actually exchanged several emails with Em during this incident to clarify what was going on and make sure we were getting everything right, and I found her to be kind, genuine and very reasonable. She showed me some emails from Kate that were not like that. In particular there was an email from Kate when they were about to go on Oprah demanding that no one email her anymore as Kate didn't have time for such things anymore. Talk about spitting in the faces of everyone who supported her, including Em. I guess she needed the email free and clear to keep the freebie communications rolling.
Based on all that, I have every reason to believe Em's version of events, especially since Jon, who was also there, called to apologize to her.
Orange! It's unbelievably hot! I don't have air. I don't think I've slept soundly in a week and a half. When is this supposed to end again? I don't remember a heat wave this bad in years, although thankfully it's only our second one of the whole summer and probably the last.
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Time to visit PA, admin. The only really hot days we had were in July. We had the coolest August in 20 years. Gorgeous days right now in the 70s, low humidity, clear nights, with tonight's low of 46 degrees. I love those cool pre-fall nights. Great sleeping weather!
She showed me some emails from Kate that were not like that. In particular there was an email from Kate when they were about to go on Oprah demanding that no one email her anymore as Kate didn't have time for such things anymore. Talk about spitting in the faces of everyone who supported her, including Em. I guess she needed the email free and clear to keep the freebie communications rolling.
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I can only imagine how demanding those emails were.
The "please don't email me for I haven't the time or use for you anymore" is laughable. And that was WAY back when Kate was still playing the little mousy hausfrau.
DWTS Daddy! @EmeraldCityJazz 13m
@SchmeckyGirl2 @NoNetzSuits #Kateplusmy8 It was obvious that Kate did not write that endorsement -- it was written by their PR person
Huh?
So, how did this go down? How would 2 sisters in NY know about such a personal problem of 3 boys in PA, to the point that they would send 3 suits for review? The suits are tried, then TFW offers to write a review as her way to say thanks. But no. Not to say thanks - to get paid. The way the letter reads to me, the payment came by request from TFW, rather than an offer from 2 sisters in NY. You don't pay me, forget the review. But thanks for saving me $120.00 in swimwear next summer!
My money is on TFW scouring the net for gullible business owners who have stuff she wants.
fidosmommy said... 129
''....My money is on TFW scouring the net for gullible business owners who have stuff she wants.''
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I suppose we now know for certain what TFMJG does all day while the children are in school.
Wanna know something funny? You can still buy the "Kate" calendar! It's still called the "Kate" calendar or "Kate's" calendar by Em Tanner.
The moniker was going to stick whether Em used Kate's name or not.
My money is on TFW scouring the net for gullible business owners who have stuff she wants.
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Is that not how the entire saga began? Where have I read before that she shopped around until she found a production company that would film her HOM family, tell the sad story of this overworked and exhausted mother of eight? The woman is a pro at this stuff.
I guess piecing, patching, grifting and suing can make one a millionaire, but you'd better not have a conscience.
Remona Blue said... 130
fidosmommy said... 129
''....My money is on TFW scouring the net for gullible business owners who have stuff she wants.''
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I suppose we now know for certain what TFMJG does all day while the children are in school.
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Grifts and then off to UPS to pick up the spoils?
Time to visit PA, admin.
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Our hottest days are often in September in October. Especially with Santa Ana winds.
I will be in Philly in Oct.!
Sleepless (107)
I wrote the comment you quoted there, and I agree with you that neither side showed respect. I feel misunderstood. My original comment was in response to the suggestion that the negative remarks against TFW's relationship with NoNetz should not have been made at the NoNetz site. Earlier today there were a couple of comments that suggested that this company was being harassed because people followed TFW's blog post over to their site, and left opinions there. I stand by my position that the overall sentiments of the haters was valid and well placed, especially considering the company paid her for the review. I was NOT defending the manner in which they made their points, and I would never use those kinds of nasty, name-calling tactics myself. I was defending the appropriateness of the target of their attacks: ie. yet another company who signs on to the exploitation of her children.
However, in the spirit of free speech, and because this is (unfortunately) how many people express themselves, I just don't find their choice of words shocking, uncommon or unexpected. I repeat, I was not condoning the choice of words, nor was I trying to suggest that the matter was handled well by either side. I was merely stating my opinion that the company deserved to hear from the public that their affiliation with TFW was a terrible idea. I still do not see a difference between this particular company getting a backlash for hiring TFW to do a little promotion compared to any other company or organization that aligns themselves with a similarly polarizing figure. In either case, a mix of positive and negative, respectful and salacious comments would be normal for internet feedback.
Jennifer Lopez recently took a lot more heat than this because she took a job performing at a foreign leader's birthday party. It was a payday, and probably a cushy gig; too bad the guy tops the list of human rights violators. Similarly to this company, JLo failed to check up on who she was doing business with, and it cost her in the realm of public opinion. Rightfully so. This company did not do their homework, and made matters worse by letting themselves get caught up in the ugly spirit of some impassioned haters. This pr failure falls on their own backs, and hopefully they will learn from it. The statement made later in the day suggests that they have taken a collective deep breath, regrouped and put the focus back on their product.
Sorry for the long post; didn't expect to have this much to say about a lame swimsuit review, but I think I'm done now. Sigh.
LeeLee I think that was so well said and I agree completely.
There's a difference between saying the opinions should be made more respectfully and some were out of line, versus saying that the discussion shouldn't be had at all. We're talking about the LAW here. Minors posing as models. We're talking about a moral issue here, child exploitation. It was not a case of Kate endorsing perfume and leaving the kids completely out of it. We're talking about someone highly controversial trying to sell us things. Why shouldn't we question?
This is not coming in and harassing someone at their nursing job. This is a public figure asking us to buy a product. Spend our hard earned dollars, 40 bucks worth a kid, in this economy.
It is not any different than any other celebrity endorsement. Not any different. Any number of controversial celebs could have endorsed them and faced the same questions and even nastiness. Again, do your homework about who you are signing on. No one else is going to do it for you.
The day we stop asking questions about products we buy is the day we really do become sheep. The day we stop questioning who is aligning themselves with what products to try to sell us things is a sad day. We are smarter and savvier than we used to be, and we shouldn't lose that out of some guilt that, oh we're coming between someone and their job. Excuse me, but there is no RIGHT to behave badly and then sell us things. And there are a million other jobs where it would be entirely inappropriate to interfere with available to these people, starting with nursing. This...comes....with...the....job. Public discourse goes hand and hand with public statements. You cannot ask people not to do it. It goes against everything we are. American company? You bet we're American. Right down to every last scathing review.
My guess is Kate trolls the internet all day long looking for this or that product she could use and then sends some B.S. email to the company offering to do a blog post and claiming how their product will solve everything for her and her kids (chaffing, hunger, makeup, whatever). I'm not sure how very satisfying that "job" is at the end of the day.
Admin, Thanks for getting what I was striving for.
You've now got me imagining TFW's "job". If fishing for freebies in exchange for paid reviews is her idea of work, then you are right, her job satisfaction must be pretty low. As far as I can recall, she's only done a handful of product reviews, but how many lines did she send out? That actually sounds like a lot of invested time for a low payout. And why on earth is she wasting time on free swimming trunks and a paid review, when her newly launched coupon site is (reportedly- haven't seen it myself) still in its buggy infancy? Why is she spending any time promoting some other company's product when she should be singularly focused on promoting her own cookbook? If she could just give one project her complete attention and energy, and see one of these passing fancies through to completion, she could have found her second career several projects ago. Gets me thinking about all the opportunities she has had, and then I just get po'd because she always falls back on parading the kids out instead of digging in and doing something hard.
New name said....
Product placement. The names of businesses don't have to be mentioned for it to qualify as advertising.
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She was mentioned on the Dutch Wonderland episode. She made numbered t-shirts for the kids, Jon and TFW.
Yep Admin - the people running NoNetz learned a hard lesson. At least, I hope they learned from this little mess they helped create. To succeed in these very tight economic times, it's even more crucial that up and coming businesses be run smartly, professionally, and well.
I feel embarrassed for them that they paid Kate for that review. What were they thinking?
In a perfect world. In the real world we all know attorney's (not all attorneys) can and often throw just about anything up against the wall to see what sticks. Isn't that exactly what this lawsuit is?
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I have worked in civil litigation for close to 20 years. I have worked for both plaintiff attorneys and defense attorneys. I have seen attorneys at every point along the scale - from the unethical (thankfully few), to the inept, to the mediocre, to the well-prepared and dang good ones.
I also understand there are many perceptions of how attorneys behave out there - most based purely on jokes, anecdotal comments, and very little actual dealings in a court of law with an attorney.
Most attorneys do not simply throw out any and every theory of law up against a wall and see what sticks. Seriously, they really don't. A few inept or inexperienced attorneys might try this. What usually happens is they get embarrassed in court when they do so, and find that's really an unpleasant experience and maybe next time they'll do their research and present a much stronger case. The idea is to win, not look like a buffoon in front of the judge. Often times, attorneys will have 90% of their practice in two or three counties, and become familiar with other attorneys in the same area as well as the judges. Most of them have big egos and want to win, not look like idiots who don't really know what they are doing.
Nothing changes with TFW. These are clear signs of insanity. I don't think she'll make it until her children reach the age of 18 and they can legally get out of that house. It's very sad for these children.
Why are these boys chafing from their swimsuits. My kids grew up going to beaches with the ocean, real sand, surf etc. and didn't have chafing. Didn't TFW recently switch to a saltwater pool? Maybe that is the problem.
And if her cookbook doesn't have anything to do with chafing, other than posed photos of her sons sitting on top of her pristine countertop, then chafing is not being promoted in her cookbook. This does go back to her 2005 complaints about needing a $25,000 nurse for diaper rashes and her inability to read stories to her sextuplets.
Hi Everyone,
I don’t post here much, but read almost daily. I would like to ask a favor: PLEASE send good thoughts and vibes my way tomorrow.
My dear father passed away last week; I was with him. The services are today. I'm too anxious to sleep. He divorced my mother after 30+ years of marriage. She treated him like crap and didn’t respect him. I wish he’d left sooner, but he stayed until my sibs and I were grown.
My mother will be there tomorrow, playing the grieving widow. I just get dirty looks and reprimanded when I say, “they’re not married; he divorced her!” She brainwashed my sibs into thinking my dad was mean to her. They refuse to see how she was treating him before he would finally lose his cool and storm out of the room. They also outvoted me, and listed her in his obit!!
A family friend, one of the few people who see my mother as I do, said, “Oh, your mother will be in all her glory with the attention form this!” Sadly, she, along with the few other people who see her as a narcissist, will be able to attend tomorrow. I hope I get through the day without losing it; it won’t be easy.
I know my dad never wanted me to be mean or bitter towards her, but it’s SO hard!
Thank you :-)
oops - they will NOT be able to attend.
T minus 7 hours, and counting.
So, this link is at the very bottom of RH's gosselinbook.
http://www.rph3photo.com/
ROL< I dont think RH is running scared, but someone else might be a bit nervous!!
yes, this is the resident troll...lol...
New Name said (re: someone's explanation of how EM / KG relationship evolved)...
How do you know all this? Unless you are EM Tanner, you are repeating one side of the story as fact, without actually knowing what happened. EM Tanner's version of events may be 100% true. I have no idea and neither do you.
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EM told us what happened. These posts (which I believe, may have since been deleted) came from EM's FB page and were then posted here on 3/19/12.
EMTanner Designs.
UNREAL..LOL. geesh..ok so i really didnt even know "kate" had a show still and find out she is bashing ME on twitter saying I USED HER...LOL. have never even offered my thoughts when people would ask me about the "experience" of working w/them on some stuff (out of respect bc i so appreciated the opportunity..honestly i truly did)...unreal i am a hardworking mom of 4 that went to her BEFORE fame offering products...she in exchange offered to post a link to our site...then the show blows up...i get a monthly bill for $25 to keep the link up...i paid even though i saw what was unfolding...we offered OUR CALENDAR DESIGN to her in whatever color she'd like and bc we called it the "kate" calendar (we knew we couldnt call it her full name but we just used kate bc the design was easy to recall on orders)...NOW ON TWITTER I AM USING HER FOR PROFIT. OMG...lolol...i was kind and generous and laid low when i got some of THE most DOWNRIGHT RUDE emails at the same time requests for certain products to be designed and sent ASAP for certain episodes(also for FREE which was the agreement from day one..products for recognition..). i never once voiced my opinion or how it all changed instantly when the show got big. YET 3-4 years later i get emails that SHE is bashing ME on twitter. Really?? WOW. frankly i began to be concerned as the amount of "hate mail" we received grew as the show did...really sorry my name was ever associated at this point. i WORK HARD...im not rich..im not famous so why bother...that's just SAD. true colors. end of story. NOTE: our calendar name is now THE PINK CALENDAR (may change but not sure what word i use at the moment..LOL..xo
2nd FB post to follow in the next comment.
From EM's FB page - 2nd post:
Yo Pat..u know the best part?...i have EVERY SINGLE CORRESPONDANCE EVER EMAILED. YEPPERS. ;). Now yall see why my emails are always overflowing? I delete NOTHING! And for the record he was a very nice guy even after it got big. Cant wait to go print off all these emails tomorrow that i ONLY EVER SHOWED like 2 or 3 of my friends bc i did appreciate everything they did for me (evem though it was all by accident bc homestly NO ONE KNEW what the show was when i first emailed her..and she was humble and sweet too!)...even had asked some routine advice bc of my chaotic house. Yep, have the chummy emails too PRE-fame. It was so sad to "accidentally" be able to watch what TV was doing to someone via emails. Really out of nothing but
"southern hospitable R-E-S-P-E-C-T" i never said a word. Not once. I thought shes gotta be semi-kind to help a nobody like me out of the goodness of her heart (i always seemed to overlook the fact that we were sending tons of product as well as design requests that wed have to OVERNIGHT ON MY BUCK for the day they were shooting. Lol. Usually laura would be like woa...what now?..but me i still thought it was just one mom appreciating another and vice versa...TILL I GOT THE $25 a month invoice for the link to my site WHICH WAS OFFERED TO ME. I DID NOT ASK FOR ANY OF IT.. And was always so very thankful via email for ANY PLUG we did receive. Im just sorry i was dumb enough to hide that i was also being taken advantage of by a (u can fill in blank with whatever u feel)and now shes trying to make MEEEE LOOK BAD! Exactly kate hayden....it totally coulda been named for u which was my point. But we all casually agreed to plugs in lieu of product...then fast forward a year and half or so (everyone watched at this point and after i had put lots of work and $$$ upholding the aggrememt AND AGAIN APPRECIATING EVERY BIT OF RECOGNITION THEY SO GRACIOUSLY GAVE ME)...i get slapped with a "u can no longer use ANYTHING FOR MARKETING WITH THE SHOW NAME" i was so hurt and shocked! He would send me pics and even say, "use however u want"...and the photos on one of the book covers were TAKEN FOR ME TO DO THE PARTY BANNER AND Magnets out of!! After bathtime in pjs (i always thought itwas strange time for photos to be used for somethimg at a party in pjs with wet hair)...(have these emails too. Soooo what im saying here u can bet itsTHE GOSPEL)...i can still call it the kate calendar yes bc ummm like u say there are a zillion kates that like pink..i left off the rest purposely to not step on HER TOES EVEN AFTER CHANGING ALL THE AGREEMENT TERMS AFFFTER MONTHS of slaving away and shipping abd producing freebies:)...it was called RESPECT! They helped me out and in my head i was amd still a part of me forever appreciative but i did get bulldozed in the process and even was aware but still respecting what i had gained. And as i said i had no clue there still IS EVEN A SHOW and 4 years later im a USER on a public forum. I am still a small company..living a normal life im certain is NO MORE POSH THAN MANY OF U...and after all the $$$ and fame she decides to rip me?? Really just felt the RESPECT "dance" out the door (but it danced one hell of a lot more gracefully!
3rd FB post to follow.
3rd EM FB post:
3rd FB post from EM:
EMTanner Designs. Thanks. I promise i am normal. Hardworking mom. Not living a lavish lifestyle bc well I CANT!;)...and was seriously just flabbergasted to hear she was saying i used her name! She screwed me to the wall AFTER TAKING PRODUCTS. LIKE IN MY HEAD all the $ spent was going to advertising then its like she decides ooh no more advertising even tho u did ur job. I kept my mouth shut and just kept working and working HARD! May have even taken up for the show a few times...again out of respect!...but to try to ruin and drag little ole hardworking crazy MEEEE thru the mud when u were freaking walking the red carpet is just EVIL. MEAN. I wouldnt be so honest and take up for myself if i werent telling the absolute, honest truth! I admit we just used the generic name of "kate" to be legit but still it was a loophole...not ME BEING A DISHONEST USER! Im not. In past few years to be honest was sorry i ever did any of this mess for that craziness:(..the show made me so sad. It truly did. $ and fame changed everything and it was so evident even from a string of emails over the course of a couple years
:(...when prior i was told i could use anything wherever and NOW im the one paying bills like normal folks and working to pay them and sometimes find it tight just like everyone these days in this economy...BUT I AM USING HER NAME TO MAKE A PROFIT! Even if i had agreed to pay a percent of profit on the calendar that WAS MY DESIGN ALL ALONG (which was never even proposed)..the check wouldnt even come close to her monthly bank statement interest! Lol. Im THE BAD GUY. HOLY CRAP. IT IS SOOOO IRONIC THAT I NEVER DELETE AN EMAIL (i mean people make fun of me for it..ummmm)..still think its funny she had a show and i have never seen it. Not once. Dont even know what its called! Thats how "FAR REMOVED" em has been from that whole scene! Talk about BLAST FROM THE PAST" hell fire!
Some more from the 3/19/12 posts here at 15min re: TFW and EM: (re-reading the posts from that day brings back sooo many memories. lol)
Some more from that day that I thought were interesting:
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From EM's FB:
EMTanner Designs. Haha. Yall dont know how long ive been biting my tongue. I can promise u and back it up that it was SOOOO NOT EDITED to portray her in a bad light!!!!
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EMTanner Designs. And even though the ed hardy with double ear piercings screamed mid life crisis i will honestly say he was nice and always respectful. And obviously BRILLIANT FOR RUNNING LIKE HELL;)!!!
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Well what an "interesting" day. K. Sooo nah i wont be posting any emails here am just printing for our own in-office entertainment..honestly not even sure id feel right doing that to such a stand up celeb..;)...seriously though probably in all honesty wont waste another second to even print them. Not worth my time if i had all the time in the world but its nice to know if i ever do wanna read them i have them all bc im an email hoarder:)... Said what i felt needed to be said...ONLY CHANGED NAME to gladly disassociate!!! And to anyone i offended i do apologize but im not dishonest and work hard. Just felt it was WRONG to stab someone outta the blue when clearly 4 years down the road i am NOT HER PROBLEMO. Said my piece...now lets rename that stupid calendar already! Lol. xoxo. Welcome newbies that like me bc im feisty when its dark out. Lolol. glad to have yall join this crazy unfiltered buncha adhd jabber by moi. Really. Gonna be a prune if i dont get outta this tub. love yall.
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In light of the lawsuit, this one makes it so apparent how TFW has no one to blame for her bad reputation but herself:
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Kate has earned a whole new group of haters! Good work Kate! The people bashing her on Em's FB page are mostly a brand new crop. Good work Kate!
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This last comment here at 15Min from 3/20/12:
SG said...
Here is something Em Tanner just shared on Twitter and Facebook:
umm yep, see i do just tell it like it is...Claire answered the phone first thing as she walked in the door and it was Jon looking for me (yea..Jon Gosselin ya know) bc he couldnt believe what he was reading after all i did for them early on. yep, seriously. i was in bed snoozing but he left his cell and i had a really nice convo with one heck of a stand up guy that has absolutely had his fair share of being thrown under the bus unfairly! REALLY. Excellent, cool, humble, appreciative guy who honestly just wanted to thank me again himself..he's also the fun one who "got" my sarcasm...promise he is normal i dont give a crap what the rag mags may have said! STAND UP GUY...once again CONFIRMED. Just thought some of you would find this tid bit interesting and of course bc i DONT step on toes i ASKED him if it was okay to share this FIRST! ha. really that's the funny part I would never tell yall this had i not gotten his permission! He & his kiddos deserve the best!
Didn't tfw finally shut her cake hole when Em said something like "you want to go there? really? I'm so glad that I keep ALL MY EMAILS, I NEVER DELETE. I have EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM"
Yes, tfw mentioned a "fan" named Em Tanner (I think Jon even said her name) sent them those numbered t-shirts they wore at Dutch Wonderland. IIRC tfw said it in a kind of blasé tone and insinuated that SHE came up with the idea for the numbers on the back?? And wasn't it a "fan" named Em Tanner who sent them the portion plates? Was saying "fan" her sneaky way of making it appear it wasn't a business transaction?
I'm finally getting caught up with the comments here and have a few thoughts. Please bear with me. It's early in the morning, I haven't had enough caffeine, and my brain takes a vacation on weekends.
Re Em Tanner -- What product placement? In order for there to be product placement, a company must be identified. IIRC, TFMJG never mentioned that Em Tanner was a business. She said something like Em Tanner sent them the T-shirts because she loved the kids. That left me, at least, with the impression that Em Tanner was a random fan who sent them shirts out of the goodness of her heart. I didn't realize Em Tanner was an actual business until the kerfuffle over TFMJG's attack on her a year or so ago. If there was "product placement" on the show, it was damned inept.
Auntie Ann 88 -- That quote from TFMJG begs the question of just how she teaches her kids to have happiness for other people's successes. How she teaches them positivity and kindness and not to stomp on those who are down, etc. It sure isn't by example. "No one makes money off our kids but us". Rejoicing when a woman who was expecting HOMs miscarried, constantly moaning and complaining about not getting this or that perk or privilege. And on and on and on ad nauseum.
Hoosier Girl 90 -- Brava! Very well said.
LeeLee -- I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I see nothing wrong with getting in touch with a company and expressing displeasure over advertising tactics, celebrity endorsements, product flaws, etc. However, I disagree with harassing, abusing, disrespecting, or badgering the company. If you have a complaint, express it politely and respectfully. No name calling, no profanity, no threats.
formerly Readerlady
And some people believe that generosity done in the name of "good business" does not really qualify as generosity at all
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In some cases, but generosity and good business are not mutually exclusive. To illustrate, a Venn diagram would show A intersects B. In other words, it can be both, there is overlap.
I believe that Em offered free goods, hoping for quid pro quo, but not demanding it or making it a condition for everything she sent, which sounds like a lot (x8!!!!) over the course of a couple years.
I'm assuming that the product placement gave her business a bump, but certainly didn't propel her into another tax bracket, as evidenced by the fact that her business is no longer.
Kate, on the other hand, was adding zeros to the end of her bank account balance.
That being said, both parties seemed to be living up to their part of what seemed to be a tacit or verbal agreement and understanding. I have no idea if Kate told Em in no uncertain terms, she was never to associate Kate's name with that infamous calendar, and then Em violated that request.
If Em violated the agreement outright, or maybe took advantage of Kate's name and show (what she doesn't know won't hurt her), it is beyond my ability to understand why, as an adult, Kate would take to Twitter instead of picking up the phone.
The fact that Jon called to apologize and thank Em again, AND allow her to publicly state Jon's support, tells me what I need to know about whose intentions were what.
Gets me thinking about all the opportunities she has had, and then I just get po'd because she always falls back on parading the kids out instead of digging in and doing something hard.
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I love this, LeeLee.
The hard thing would have been buckling down and furthering her education and degree to secure a career that would see her and the kids through until they went off to college and she retired.
She is continuing to lean on her kids for a living.
Whether it's using their image to grift freebies and paid endorsements, or filming them, or constantly using them to lure eyeballs to her site to sell cookbooks.
Breaking news!! Kate has finally pre-sold over 500 books on Amazon-Yay!! Total as of now is 502.
Meanwhile, Ree Drummond(PW) has sold over 4200 copies of her book, which has only been available for pre-order since May 18.
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I am so sorry for your loss. I wish you strength to muster every ounce of energy to ignore the nonsense and stay focused on celebrating and honoring the life of the father you loved.
Peace.
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So, this link is at the very bottom of RH's gosselinbook.
http://www.rph3photo.com/
ROL< I dont think RH is running scared, but someone else might be a bit nervous!!
yes, this is the resident troll...lol...
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I don't get your comment. I'm I the only one? It's nice to see he's got a business though.
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She said something like Em Tanner sent them the T-shirts because she loved the kids. That left me, at least, with the impression that Em Tanner was a random fan who sent them shirts out of the goodness of her heart.
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I do think it was product placement, however Em was barely mentioned and when she was, Kate DEFINITELY painted a picture that this was just Em trying to help them out. That Em was really just a sweet lady who wanted to give the kids cute clothing that matched. It was very clear it was all done for free.
You would have to really do some hunting to try to find Em's business just from that limited information. It's not like they gave you her web site or anything, or put her name on the screen or mentioned her every time the shirts were shown. And her logo was not anywhere on the shirts.
For Kate to then turn around eight years later and act like oh this was all a business deal for Em she just wanted to make money off us, is really disingenuous, since that was not how Kate herself painted the arrangement to begin with. You don't get to pick and choose when Em is just a nice lady trying to help them, and when Em was all business. Doesn't work that way.
Bitchy Pants (I feel so bad calling you that!)-
Don't forget that Kate got PISSED when Jen handed her a check (or gift card?) for $700 after filming. For what? Doing her highly paid and pampered job? Yes, Kate actually had to talk herself off the ledge because that wasn't enough of a bonus.
I have criticized NoNetz (here, never contacted them or anyone) for not vetting Kate enough, but I hope they've got themselves out of the mire by quickly removing Kate from their site, and don't continue to be scathed by their decision to pay Kate to endorse their product.
It was a mistake on many levels, but hopefully, they'll act with an abundance of caution her on out.
They are an American company, and I admire their home-grown roots commitment.
My bet is that they work their asses off, and while some of their retorts were unprofessional, I can only imagine they never envisioned the amount of vitriol that would be spewed their way.
Em went through the same thing, but seems like a really neat lady and mom.
ROL< I dont think RH is running scared, but someone else might be a bit nervous!!
yes, this is the resident troll...lol...
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I don't get your comment. I'm I the only one? It's nice to see he's got a business though.
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I don't get it either, Gayle, but then again, I'm out of the loop quite often, even if I'm not gulping down the Rumspringa!
Coincidence, I'm very sorry to hear that and I'm thinking of you.
In brighter news I've learned the Farmer's Wife daughter Audrey, who's the oldest I think, is getting married today. What a beautiful family and I wish her a lifetime of happiness. I can picture Juanita beaming with pride. She is such a good mother.
he couldnt believe what he was reading after all i did for them early on.
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This really says it all. Says it all. Jon heard something that he knew was wrong, and he took it upon himself to step in and try to make it right.
Someone said it was ironic that Jon was the one standing up against the bullies. Is it EVER!
And to anyone i offended i do apologize
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Did you see Em also apologized too? Even though she owed no one an apology since SHE was attacked out of the blue by her former partner while Em was minding her own business. And she pointed out that she bit her tongue for years. It was only when KATE starting attacking her she finally said you wanna go there, you really wanna go there???
In contrast, NoNetz immediately reacted with vile and nasty potshots towards a few nasty tweets from nobodies. They didn't hold it in years until they were attacked by their business partner. Their FIRST reaction was to accuse someone of being bitter with ex issues (HUH??). Their first reaction. And to date I have not seen an apology.
Oh and I like that she kept Kate's Calendar up there. Kate Gosselin cannot copyright the common name KATE. Nice little F-U from Em.
Funny thing is, had Kate simply emailed her or called her and asked her respectfully if she would remove the name Kate from the calendar, I'm guessing Em would be fine with it.
What's even sadder is that Kate could have put an affiliate link on her new web site over the years and sent business Em's way and gotten a small cut of it. Over time, that small cut could have added up to several hundred dollars a year and perhaps more. The boys could buy their own swim trunks. EVERYONE WINS. But because of her OWN spite, now no one is going to make money off this situation. Stupid.
And some people believe that generosity done in the name of "good business" does not really qualify as generosity at all
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I suppose you could make the argument all acts of generosity have some kind of ulterior motive to them. Sad way to look at the world, but some do.
However, that's not how I view the world. Some do, but many acts don't, in my view. In life you have to make credibility calls based on the evidence. Em gets the win here for credibility over the lying liar TFW in my book.
She screwed me to the wall AFTER TAKING PRODUCTS.
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And Em NEVER disclosed this until stupid Kate decided to poke the sleeping bear. Poke poke poke and eventually that bear will wake up and be angry.
If you're going to screw someone, at least have the courtesy of returning the free things you took.
prior i was told i could use anything wherever
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Permission was given to do it, then yanked back and her reputation was slammed. This is what narcissists do. Leave you guessing. Leave you on edge. Leave you wondering what's up and down, what's what.
AFFFTER MONTHS of slaving away and shipping abd producing freebies:).
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Sounds like my days of "sleepless nights" description wasn't hyperbole after al, No Name!. It was actually MONTHS of it.
Orange if you're out there, the weather promised me 91 today and I was mentally prepared I could do 91.
Now today they are saying 95. No, you can't change it on me like that, I wasn't mentally ready for 95!
THIS IS INSANE!!
Orange if you're out there, the weather promised me 91 today and I was mentally prepared I could do 91.
Now today they are saying 95. No, you can't change it on me like that, I wasn't mentally ready for 95!
THIS IS INSANE!!
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LOL!! We went through a week of that in July, with the heat index reaching 110. It was brutal. When it finally cooled down into the high 80s, we were happy! I guess I shouldn't tell you that it is now a gorgeous 65 degrees out there...was 52 when I woke up this morning!
Come on over. If you bring some cheese and crackers, I'll pour the wine...on the patio, of course!
TFW lives life like playing a game of Whac-A_Mole.
Bop your "enemy" on the head repeatedly until they are driven into an underground hole with zero visibility.
She just doesn't realize how such aggressiveness distorts her personality.
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AFFFTER MONTHS of slaving away and shipping abd producing freebies:).
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Sounds like my days of "sleepless nights" description wasn't hyperbole after al, No Name!. It was actually MONTHS of it.
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I suspect that EM Tanner is not a stranger to hyperbole either. If you want to believe that she slaved for sleepless months to send Kate Gosselin a few products, be my guest. I tend to believe that she was venting about someone difficult to work with and exaggerated a wee bit.
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For Kate to then turn around eight years later and act like oh this was all a business deal for Em she just wanted to make money off us, is really disingenuous, since that was not how Kate herself painted the arrangement to begin with. You don't get to pick and choose when Em is just a nice lady trying to help them, and when Em was all business. Doesn't work that way.
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Reality TV does work that way. Did you expect Kate to stop, face the camera and do a commercial in the middle of the show? How the arrangement was described on camera and what was discussed and agreed upon off camera are not one and the same.
Re-reading those emails from EM Tanner, I am struck as to how similar Kate's words and actions are so similar to how Bullyville approached the "haterz". Kate has been bullying people for years to get what she wants.
Dmasy your analogies are always so funny yet so true. I picture TFW playing Wack a Mole with anyone she decides she wants to smack down. Only after hours of fun play, Kate's the one who is out of tokens and the moles are still there popping right back up. She only hurts herself with her deranged attacks on others.
Did you see Em also apologized too? Even though she owed no one an apology since SHE was attacked out of the blue by her former partner while Em was minding her own business. And she pointed out that she bit her tongue for years. It was only when KATE starting attacking her she finally said you wanna go there, you really wanna go there???
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That's Kate. Always poking the bee hive and not letting sleeping dogs lie. She's her own worst enemy.
On the nonetz website they have now disclosed that they paid TFW $350.00 for the product review. I wonder if she put the boys' fair share into their accounts for modeling fees. Oh, that's right! Silly me........we are talking about the champion of child pimpers here.
For coincidence is not an accident: my sincere sympathy on the loss of your father.
I do hope you were able to make it thru the service without too much drama from your mother. Talk to the people who really know how your father was, and how she treated him, for support.
Reality TV does work that way. Did you expect Kate to stop, face the camera and do a commercial in the middle of the show?
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You mean something as blatant as Juicy Juice, Allstate Insurance and VTech and Crooked Houses and, and and..
Well, yes ;-)
But seriously, Em never complained that her products weren't given full frontal and wrote repeatedly that she was grateful for any bump she got from the show.
I think the heart of the matter is that Kate became demanding, took advantage and then turned nasty. Libelously so.
Who does that?
Can Em sue?????
FYI - Em Tanner Designs is closed. No, not because of Kate but because work was interfering with Em's family life and she decided family comes first (big round of applause for Em).
Her website links on google don't work. It says "Account Suspended". You can, however, read about it on her Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/funkyemtanner
NoNetz made a post on their site about Kate's review:
http://www.nonetz.com/pages/kate-gosselin-as-a-product-reviewer
This is an excerpt:
"But, as a small company with great belief in our product, we were thrilled when Kate Gosselin accepted and decided to take a chance.
The bathing suit worked for her boys and she wrote a great review.
However, we had no idea the polarizing effect she has with the public. Some people love her and many just can't stand her. But people, get a grip. It's just a product review. She is in no way a sponsor or spokesperson for NoNetz - just a product reviewer.
Ultimately, we stand with our customers and listened.
We paid $350 for the review and received many unhappy emails and tweets. Just to put it in perspective, most large product reviewers charge at least $500 to do a review.
We have taken her review down and have asked her to do the same on her site.
As a small company, we have made the decision to walk the straight and narrow at every opportunity."
Reality TV does work that way. Did you expect Kate to stop, face the camera and do a commercial in the middle of the show?
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Yes. It's what they did for other products. Remember that episode about the nintendo video game. Jon went on for ages and ages about it and we practically watched them play the whole thing. There were other episodes that spent huge amounts of time promoting various products. One I believe they even did for a kids film. Their trip to the Disney dolphin cove was a half hour commercial with the exception of the vomiting. In those situations it was much clearer what the product was and how to get it.
Well, they didn't have to take it down. I appreciate their honesty that they had no idea how polarizing she was and their decision to react to it.
"Get a grip" was out of line, and it's very unprofessional to disclose how much she was paid. I will never be told to get a grip about child exploitation.
Couldn't Kate make far more than 350 bucks at a nursing job just in one weekend?
I'm afraid Kate will just use this as the poor victim whose work is interfered with. I wouldn't be surprised if she told them to take it down just to play victim.
Clearly this choice of a product reviewer has pissed you off.
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Immature.
They also have a pic of someone tearing their hair out. Immature.
Geez how dare people get upset when you exploit a child who has spent his whole life being exploited. How dare they.
And they don't seem to get it. It's not about what they did or didn't pay Kate or how much. It's about the children, what they were paid, whether child labor laws were complied with, and whether children who have been so used over their ENTIRE LIVES should be continued to be used and whether they should have a hand in that. I want to like them, but I don't. I think they're big babies.
As of now, her review is still on her website.
On another note, although I personally have chosen not to contact companies and never have, let me say this.
Kate has chosen to play hard ball. She is suing Robert and her children's father. She is making numerous claims that all her non-fans are involved in some big conspiracy and threatening suit, even a class action suit. She fully supports outing of IPs and various other nasty forms of harassment. *I* was threatened to be outed until I apologized to her. That is a THREAT any which way you slice it.
If you want to play DIRTY, do not cry when people play even dirtier back.
I think some of the non-fans have only been galvanized by her rampage against them. She has declared war on them and it's only natural that they have said okay you want a war we'll show you a war. I think some of them were INTENT on destroying this particular business opportunity to sort of get back at her for what she's done to us (and it really is US this time) over the course of the past five months.
She gets as good as she gives. She has only herself to blame.
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I'm afraid Kate will just use this as the poor victim whose work is interfered with.
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And so will her fans and BV and her attorneys. It's the perfect excuse. Just like I said the other night.
And she hasn't removed her review from her website yet although NoNetz asked them to. I doubt she asked NoNetz to remove theirs.
I sent NoNetz an email.
I thanked them for their American-Made ethics.
I thanked them for removing the exploited Gosselin children from their website.
"We have taken her review down and have asked her to do the same on her site."
Good luck to them getting her to take it off her site. They obviously don't know who they're messing with. lol
"We have taken her review down and have asked her to do the same on her site.
As of now, the review is still on TFW's website. Will she take it down as asked?
The company doesn't get it that it wasn't the review that was the problem. It was her blatant use of her sons and their pictures in her review, in order to get people to go to her website. Remember, this is what she tweeted:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 5 Sep
Have you seen my 👍review of @NoNetzSuits ? Go here to read AND see cute pics of my boys: http://www.kateplusmy8.com
She didn't provide a direct link to the review. She linked to her home page, and she used the pictures of the boys as bait.
That's what this company fails to understand. They were used by Kate to further her own agenda, which was to get people to her website in hopes that they would order her book. Plus she got paid for doing so. What did the boys get? Oh, yeah-they got new swimsuits.
This is an excerpt:
"But, as a small company with great belief in our product, we were thrilled when Kate Gosselin accepted and decided to take a chance.
The bathing suit worked for her boys and she wrote a great review....
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OK, let's get a grip. Kate wrote a favorable review and the fact that she got paid means no one will ever know the truth because money changed hands. That makes Kate a "spokesperson" for NoNetz... a very public one.
I applaud their decision to scuttle the whole shebang.
It seems to still not have sunk into their heads that this isn't just about a polarizing person. This is about child exploitation, and this has been going on since those cute little boys who modeled your bathing suits were born.
NoNetz is complicit in using these children as billboards, as race cars, as visors, as wrist bands, as tennis shorts, as a vehicle for them to ultimately make money.
Own it.
Didn't they feel just a little icky deep down inside when they paid Kate to use her children for profit? Just a little?
Again, good on them for taking the review down and attempting to sever ties (don't be surprised if Kate takes offense and decides to leave your review on her site), but do it for the right reasons.
This isn't a popularity contest. This is about doing the right thing.
Actually if their complaints are true this incident is useless to her attorneys. There is no law you can't complain about a company's spokesperson. It happens all the time and many celebs have been let go for it. No cause of action there.
And she hasn't removed her review from her website yet although NoNetz asked them to.
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I thought the company said it was advertising for them. Did they mean on her blog or on their website? Why did they ask her to remove her review on her blog? Sorry, I haven't been following the nitty-gritty of this.
I'll bet Kate's eyes turn black with rage when NoNetz asked her to remove her review which she'll probably never do and I'll be she got on the phone with some BV toady and b*tched for an hour.
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My condolences and best of luck. It is never easy.
Nn also sunk her own case by making it very clear this was just a one time thing anyway. There was no business relationship to ruin with. Moreover her cause of action would be against them for wrongful termination not toward people expressing opinions about her.
It's about the children, what they were paid, whether child labor laws were complied with, and whether children who have been so used over their ENTIRE LIVES should be continued to be used and whether they should have a hand in that.
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I was thinking about this and if the PA DOL law applies here. Obviously, if she is going to snap two pictures of her children at the pool and use them on her blog, it's not working. However, if the kids were used as models for an endorsement, do the rules apply? Were they required to get a work permit and have a teacher on the "set?" This would seem rather ridiculous just to take two pictures, but I don't know. Was the new law violated when she either gave or sold those photos to a company and should the boys have been paid? Does one need a work permit to have your own children used as models, however briefly?
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Reality TV does work that way. Did you expect Kate to stop, face the camera and do a commercial in the middle of the show?
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You mean something as blatant as Juicy Juice, Allstate Insurance and VTech and Crooked Houses and, and and..
Well, yes ;-)
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The scene where Jon was at the computer saying something like "before we do blah blah blah (whatever they staged to do that day), I need to check on my Allstate Insurance". It was the most obvious product placement ever.
Going to take a lot of "piecing and patching" at $350 a pop to maintain that lifestyle!
The bathing suit worked for her boys and she wrote a great review.
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Cough.You've got to be kidding me. $350 for that thing? That wasn't a "review." What a waste of their money. It told next to nothing about the swimsuits like the other review did.
Anything said about whether the swim suits were freebies?
Admin said: They also have a pic of someone tearing their hair out. Immature.
Geez how dare people get upset when you exploit a child who has spent his whole life being exploited. How dare they.
And they don't seem to get it. It's not about what they did or didn't pay Kate or how much. It's about the children, what they were paid, whether child labor laws were complied with, and whether children who have been so used over their ENTIRE LIVES should be continued to be used and whether they should have a hand in that. I want to like them, but I don't. I think they're big babies.
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I agree with the characterization of the company, but....... I do not in any way believe they are responsible for making sure that TFW is complying with applicable law. That is TfW's job. The review could have been accomplished w/o TFW's obvious visual exploitation of the children, but we all know TFW is incapable of carving out her own voice. How much better this would have been if TFW would simply have posted a written review, sans pictures, of the 'success' of the swimsuit trial (and, really, once money was exchanged does anyone think the 'review' would have been negative?). I hope the owners of the company see the larger picture here, for their own future success.
15 % of the 350 should have been put in trust. It works out to 17.50 a boy. Great pay day there.
No, te company really doesn't get it. That's disappointing.
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