Kate stipulates it will be dropped with prejudice. The portion of the suit against Robert Hoffman and the John and Jane Does remains.
Thank you Shawn Tuma and congratulations.
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE
EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
KATE GOSSELIN,
Plaintiff,
JONATHAN K. GOSSELIN, ROBERT
HOFFMAN, and JOHN AND JANE DOES
Defendants.
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CIVIL ACTION
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NO.: 13:4989
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JOINT MOTION TO DISMISS WITH PREJUDICE
Plaintiff Kate Gosselin, by and through her attorney, A. Jordan Rushie, and Defendant
Jonathan K. Gosselin, by and through his attorneys, BrittonTuma and Orwig Law Offices, files
this Joint Motion to Dismiss with Prejudice pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 41(a)
and (c) and in support thereof, state as follows:
Plaintiff Kate Gosselin agrees to dismiss with prejudice all claims and potential claims
that she has or may have against Defendant Jonathan K. Gosselin that were or could have been
asserted in this case.
By this motion, Plaintiff Kate Gosselin is not dismissing her claims against any
Defendant other than Defendant Jonathan K. Gosselin.
Defendant Jonathan K. Gosselin agrees to dismiss with prejudice all counterclaims or
potential counterclaims that he has or may have against Plaintiff Kate Gosselin that were or
could have been asserted in this case.
Dismissal with prejudice of the claims and/or counterclaims between Plaintiff Kate
Gosselin and Defendant Jonathan K. Gosselin is appropriate pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil
Procedure 41(a) and (c).
JOINT MOTIONTODISMISSWITHPREJUDICE PAGE 1
Case 5:13-cv-04989-JLS Document 18 Filed 11/19/13 Page 2 of 2
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff Kate Gosselin and Defendant Jonathan K. Gosselin agree that
an order dismissing the asserted and potential claims and counterclaims between them with
prejudice is appropriate and respectfully request that the Court enter such order.
Respectfully submitted,
Dated: November 19, 2013
2424 E York Street, Suite 316
Shawn E. Tuma
/s/ A. Jordan Rushie
Philadelphia, PA 19125
p. 215.385.5291
Attorney for Kate Gosselin
/s/ Shawn E. Tuma
BrittonTuma
7161 Bishop Road, Suite 220
Plano, Texas 75024
d. 469.635.1335
f. 972.767.3181
e. stuma@brittontuma.com
Richard L. Orwig (Associate Counsel)
Orwig Law Offices
2213 Quarry Dr., Suite B001
West Lawn, PA 19609
p. 610.898.9880
f. 610.898.1323
e. rlorwig@orwiglaw.com
Attorneys for Jonathan K. Gosselin
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE
The undersigned hereby certifies that a true and correct copy of the foregoing has been served
via ECF upon all counsel of record in the above-styled civil action on November 19, 2013.
/s/ Shawn E. Tuma
Shawn E. Tuma
JOINT MOTIONTODISMISSWITHPREJUDICE PAGE 2
538 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 538 Newer› Newest»Thank you all so much who have commented on the technicalities of the case and the motion. No way in the world would TFMJG agree to dismiss with prejudice unless her lawyers finally got her to see reason.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 196
''The case was NOT dismissed with prejudice.'' says BV buddy
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''So then this is a lie?
"Dismissal with prejudice of the claims and/or counterclaims between Plaintiff Kate
Gosselin and Defendant Jonathan K. Gosselin is appropriate pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil
Procedure 41(a) and (c)."
Now who do we believe?''
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Oh Sleepless in Seattle, who are we going to believe, bv buddies, or our lying eyes? It just floors me the way they blather on and on and on, as though only people with double digit IQ are reading their slop! It is even more fun when called on their nonsense, they are so indignant! What? How DARE we say they are full of it!!???
Walt was one of the people from the other website(the one that is closed) that BV was threating going to go after, for things he said on Kate TL, about Kate, besides the fan hacking, into his account. Perhaps he re-read, what was dismissed today, and decided to back off/delete his tweets, just in case. We don't know who all the John & Jane Does are? or if that is that other law suit, or they are 2 separate things. Better to be safe than sorry.
At this point, can Kate offer Robert lots of money to close this thing down? Is that extortion?
Signed
-getting very confused!
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I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Robert would ever take money from Kate to make this go away. He has invested too much blood, sweat and tears over many years, and seems to be truly concerned about the well-being of the children, to just let her off the hook.
On tonight's Watch What Happens Live After Show, (which is on each night on Bravotv.com after the broadcast show), there was a HYSTERICAL Kate Gosselin reference. The guests were Jesse Tyler Fergerson (JTF) and Meredith Viera (MV)- JFT was asked if he and his husband were planning on having any children. He replied that yes they were planning on having a "Kate Gosselin situation", and then he and Host Andy Cohen joked about "exploiting them and putting them on tv to make $. One of them even pretended to crack a whip. I can't remember the exact wording or order of what was said and will have to check tomorrow when it is posted online, but the best part was that TFW dear "friend" Meredith did NOT say or do anything to defend Kate. So funny!
Ps. I guess we can add Andy Cohen to that list of people that have actually met TFW and DO NOT like her....so much for that 100% that she claims, or maybe it's just math "gosselin style"?
The case was NOT dismissed with prejudice.
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So then this is a lie?
"Dismissal with prejudice of the claims and/or counterclaims between Plaintiff Kate
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Can' they read, or can't they understand, or both?
Perhaps he re-read, what was dismissed today, and decided to back off/delete his tweets, just in case. We don't know who all the John & Jane Does are? or if that is that other law suit, or they are 2 separate things. Better to be safe than sorry.
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The unnamed persons are the ones who allegedly conspired with Jon and/or Robert to damage Kate. Since Walt had no time for either one of them, I seriously doubt that he is one of the John Does.
Walt has had a protected account ever since his personal info was supposedly leaked by a fan, and he stepped back because he said that he was leaving everything up to the people who could deal with it according to the law.
The sheeple spin...
Kate dropped the lawsuit (without prejudice) because she knew that it was a slam dunk for her. Jon knew he didn't stand a chance of winning. She has more than enough evidence against him to nail him to the wall.
You can't make up this stuff.
Well, this is really annoying. I used the word "invested" in my previous post and when it was published, a link was automatically created to a crummy commercial!
But if Kate backed out because she was going to win why bother filing in the first place? She's the one out all that time and money. That's not just illogical, it's downright nuts. She did it to prove she could? I would suggest therapy then. Way cheaper than lawsuits.
I'm trying to think under what scenario Kate would sign off on agreeing to drop this suit. I bet it all comes down to money. She paid a retainer that covered the initial suit and the briefs responding to Shawn's first motion to dismiss. But she easily could have blown through it by then and when Shawn filed a SECOND motion to dismiss they told her she's going to have to pay up for a proper defense of that because they're out of dough. I'm sure they also told her this is a money pit and not to waste her money. So when it came down to crunching the numbers and knowing how much more she would need to pay to keep this going, she very reluctantly caved. I would bet money Robert's portion is getting dismissed too. She's not going to dig into those pockets too deep when she knows she has so many other things she wants to spend that money on.
What is unknown at this time is whether Jon has agreed to testify against Robert in exchange for Kate dropping the case against him . . . or not. I
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That's absurd. This is a court of law. Jon is not married to Robert. He can be called to testify and he will have to tell the truth. He doesn't have to NEGOTIATE away this testimony. Kate can have it if she wants it. It's called calling him to the witness stand and putting him under oath. It's not something you can leverage. She can call him if she wants to and he can't say no. What a crock of absurdity. And again, the judge has to approve this settlement and if anything is shady about it it won't be approved. Settlements are supposed to be fair and believe it or not, ethical. If they are not, they are not approved.
As for the other part, I don't know what they are whining about since I don't see anyone disagreeing that only Jon's portion of the suit was dismissed. No, the ENTIRE suit was not dismissed, no one disagrees with that.
Anonymous what on earth are you complaining about? I said I was thinking of the most plausible scenario to ME. I never said it was not speculation or that there couldn't be other speculations out there if anyone wants to offer them up. Chill out, for once?
Admin I think you're right, it was all or nothing for Tuma. And partly because this was truly a frivolous lawsuit.The initial complaint was vague and pieced together.
As someone said awhile back, it read like Rainman's notebook; "Charlie Babbit squeezed and pulled and hurt my neck in 1988."
So true.
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LOL the Rainman reference was perfect. It's an attorney's dream to get a case like this one. So full of holes and logical fallacies. The fact is most cases are rarely this clear cut and easy to dismantle. Usually you're chasing down the smallest little thing trying to poke holes and you get to know Mr. Dead End so well it feels like you're dating. Frivolous lawsuits aren't filed too often because most sane people realize lawsuits are incredibly expensive and time consuming and you better be sure your case is air tight before you take such a huge step or risk financial ruin or worse. Not with this one though. There were times when Shawn seemed almost giddy as he skipped through the holes in her case like they were Swiss cheese. His second motion to dismiss even had a bit of humor. There is no way after all that he would suddenly let Kate make out like a bandit with a great settlement. Settlements are not unlike negotiating to sell your house. If you know you've got a buyer who really wants it, you hold the cards and you can name your price. You don't let the other person negotiate, why would you when you're in control? Shawn held the cards here and Shawn was naming his price here. If Kate wanted it, she was going to need to "pay up."
TFW dropped her lawsuit...I do believe it was b/c her lawyer told her she had nothing. TFW is getting slapped very hard with reality. The realist reality ever! TFW is freaking out...she has been denied...this is new for her..
Guess what TFW...you have nothing.
No book no show no nothing...You are done!
Well the McCaughey birthday post didn't last long!!
Most excellent!!
Whoever upthread said Jon gave her "something" on Hoffman? I don't think Jon needed to give up anything to win (still won sheep, even if it was dismissed, just like your biotch 'won' with LaFair, works here too!)
Now isn't Hoffman's lawyer a big time freedom of speech guy? Maybe HE doesn't want this dismissed? Maybe he's got the perfect case to add to his portfolio? Hoffman wins either way-it either goes to court and he exposes EVERTHING or he doesn't and the book gets published. I wonder if she plays back the night she threw the father of her children, the man she once "loved" (narcs don't love) out in the rain? Wonder if she thinks to herself "why did I call the cops?"
naaahhh!!
Someone mentioned that this is probably why she was back to her Jon bash-fest, which she's toned down a bit lately. She knew she lost. Best part is she cannot sue again. Finally she was put in her place
She will never admit her case against Jon lacked merit, so her line will be she agreed to dismiss the portion of the case against him because it is best for the kids.
I think the suit against Robert will press forward because she wants that book to NEVER be published. Discovery ought to scare her off but maybe the material that Robert has is so damaging she does not care. If she cannot prove the material was stolen, then she may try to prove he violated her privacy and there is copyright infringement by him publishing her private journal. Anyway, I think it is not over for Robert. Maybe Tuma will help him also.
TLC Stinks said...117 I think the suit against Robert will press forward because she wants that book to NEVER be published.
She can want all she wants, but I seriously doubt she'll get what she wants--least wise, not in this case. As the saying goes, "If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride." Her days of whine and glory, of imposing her will on others? OVER. Dismissed with prejudice. Stick-a-fork-in-it, DONE.
That's how I see it, anyway.
This case is essentially over, what is left is the settling out between TFW's attorneys and Hoffman's camp. The initial complaint filed in August 26, amended severely on October 2, now has no legs.
Reason for this suit was to stop Hoffman's book. They knew they could not do that directly, so they circled around their objective and pieced together a conspiracy theory. They built their case backwards, with nothing substantial, bits and pieces.
Susie Cincinnati said... 9
The sheeple spin...
Kate dropped the lawsuit (without prejudice) because she knew that it was a slam dunk for her. Jon knew he didn't stand a chance of winning. She has more than enough evidence against him to nail him to the wall.
You can't make up this stuff.
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And these are the people BV relied upon for his "intel."
As they like to tweet:
#EpicFailOp
TLC stinks, yes I agree she is probably right now formulating her "good hearted" reasons for dropping the case. This is someone who cannot apologize or accept blame.
Wire tapping, identity theft, fraud, computer hacking filed in court on August 22nd and now, LESS THAN THREE MONTHS later she takes it all back.
Why'd she take the dog to do bus pick up yesterday...is it because she had to drop the lawsuit, and now she needs to provide canine protection for her 'children's safety?" LOL
I wonder what it's like to be one of those kids....your parents don't speak. at all. whether WOS says it or not, those kids KNOW their mom HATES their father. I wonder what they think.
I also wonder what they think about their mother suing their dad. for 'the safety and future of my kids."
Could she, if she tried, make them feel like a bigger burden than she already infers?
I hope Robert's case is dismissed as well and he manages to send the book back to print. Those kids already lived the abuse, now they get validation.
I hope when it's finally shown that the emperor has no clothes, WOS will finally get the help she needs. Unfortunately, it looks like publishing this book is the only way she will finally hit bottom and realize she needs help.
This entire lawsuit was a joke from the very beginning. How many other lawsuits have you ever heard of being filed claiming all sorts of misdeeds only to be dismissed 3 short months later. Usually lawsuits take years to come to a conclusion, but in true Kate fashion she manages to end hers in record time.
The sheeple continue to amaze me. One tweeted:
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 8h
@princeoftweetin @Kateplusmy8 #shawnetuma When a lawyer saves his client from potential jail time, that's a good lawyer.
Why don't the sheeple understand that there is no jail time in CIVIL cases? Even though the case was in federal court, it was still a CIVIL case. Jon was not facing jail time. Seriously, they should think before they tweet!
Why'd she take the dog to do bus pick up yesterday...is it because she had to drop the lawsuit, and now she needs to provide canine protection for her 'children's safety?" LOL
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Or there's a lot more animal abuse stories ready to come out and it's her predictable and lame attempt at damage control?
swimgirl said... 25
The sheeple continue to amaze me. One tweeted:
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 8h
@princeoftweetin @Kateplusmy8 #shawnetuma When a lawyer saves his client from potential jail time, that's a good lawyer.
Why don't the sheeple understand that there is no jail time in CIVIL cases? Even though the case was in federal court, it was still a CIVIL case. Jon was not facing jail time. Seriously, they should think before they tweet!
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She's backtracking now saying what she said was results from civil case could have led to criminal charges being filed.
Just found some sheeple spin...they are honing in on the part where Jon agreed to drop any claims/counter claims and are saying why would he do this if he knew TFW's claims were false?
Also, Ziggy clarified her tweet about jail time by stating that civil cases can lead to criminal charges.
The absurdity continues to astound me. They are really desperate and grasping at straws now.
Oh, and I should have added that her tweet about taking the dog on a ride (presumably to the bus stop) is probably a LIE. Jon is on record saying HE has the kids every Tuesday.
How many other lawsuits have you ever heard of being filed claiming all sorts of misdeeds only to be dismissed 3 short months later.
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
Here is the sheeple argument in a nutshell.. (thanks Ziggy)
There is also the legitimate possibility (and IMO the most likely one) Kate had so much proof against Jon he didn't stand a chance in hell of successfully fighting this lawsuit against her. As Cap stated Jon could have agreed to testify against Hoffman if Kate dropped her case agaisnt him. Had this case carried through and her claims against Jon proven in court then Jon strongly faced being charged with federal charges which could've resulted in some serious jail time.
Angie said... 23
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I think about the same things with regards to the kids and how this never-ending tension, nay, vitriol, must affect them.
How can it not?
It reminds me of reading about Mady in Robert's book (aka, Kate's journal), where Mady had really bad stomach pain for a month. She had bloating and vomiting. For a MONTH.
Emotional? Nerves?
Just tooka look at Gosselinbook. Robert has no intention of backing down. I think Jon let her off easy to keep the peace, but Robert is going to put up a fight. He is not going to negotiate. He has the police report, he has the discs, and she has nothing but lies and specuation. He will win, and he knows it. She will either have to dismiss with prejudice or be prepared to be destroyed in court. Her response to Robert is due on the 27th? Can't wait!
Somehow, I think her days of saying, "Can we sue?" are over. The answer is NO!
As Robert said, "Let's Get it On".
I can hear Kate lying now once she gets and interview.
Repoter. So Kate why did you drop the lawsuit against Jon if she hacked into you personal thing.
KK; Well um I um thought it uh would be um best for my eight kids to um not see how their uh father uh get negative attention from the media uh but.
I literately can um talk about it cause um the case is still pending so um uh I wrote a cookbook I need a TV show I have 8 kids to support..
So, I'm wondering, if Kate decides to persue the suit against Hoffman, could portions of the book be made public in court? Or is the case purely based on the hacking and privacy accusations?
swimgirl said... 25
The sheeple continue to amaze me. One tweeted:
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 8h
@princeoftweetin @Kateplusmy8 #shawnetuma When a lawyer saves his client from potential jail time, that's a good lawyer.
Why don't the sheeple understand that there is no jail time in CIVIL cases? Even though the case was in federal court, it was still a CIVIL case. Jon was not facing jail time. Seriously, they should think before they tweet!
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LOL That was pointed out to her so now she's claiming that TFW could have proven federal crimes were committed and that could have LED to federal charges. Right, that's why she dropped the suit.
First of all, the statute of limitations for authorities bringing federal charges has long been blown. Second of all, if Kate doesn't want Jon to go to jail why the heck did she file in the FIRST PLACE? That's just nonsense. If someone doesn't want their ex to go to jail they don't file lawsuits accusing them of such things in the first place.
Third of all, if Kate was in the driver's seat about this, why was she so ticked off and obsessed with Jon on the Home and Family show?
This is just like the LaFaire thing. They will never admit she lost, the other party had the upper hand, the other party was right and she was wrong.
Remona, you said all she has left is her stubborn stupidity. But Kate would tell you it is her"determination". Yeah, you stick with that determination and see where it takes you.
This entire lawsuit was a joke from the very beginning. How many other lawsuits have you ever heard of being filed claiming all sorts of misdeeds only to be dismissed 3 short months later. Usually lawsuits take years to come to a conclusion, but in true Kate fashion she manages to end hers in record time.
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Exactly. Like I said most people don't go to the trouble of filing such a serious lawsuit and putting all that money, time, effort and stress into it, only to withdraw it three months later. Most people take the court of law seriously, as well as their time and money.
@localyocal Interesting the sheep DID NOT KNOW that TFW had joined in the "motion to dismiss with prejudice" but they know why!
TLC stinks, yes I agree she is probably right now formulating her "good hearted" reasons for dropping the case. This is someone who cannot apologize or accept blame.
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Speaking of apologies I think it would do wonders for both her image and her relationship with Jon if just once, once she was the bigger person and offered a *sincere* apology for filing this frivolous suit against her children's father. But she never, ever will. Ever.
Jon is in a different position than Robert. Jon has more motivation to make it easier on her to drop it. He has eight children he has to share with her. Robert doesn't have to worry about that. He's not going to give her the gift of walking away from this easy.
Saw this on someone's fb page today, someone should tweet this to her and her sheeple
"weak people seek revenge, strong people forgive, intelligent people ignore"
There is also the legitimate possibility (and IMO the most likely one) Kate had so much proof against Jon he didn't stand a chance in hell of successfully fighting this lawsuit against her. As Cap stated Jon could have agreed to testify against Hoffman if Kate dropped her case agaisnt him. Had this case carried through and her claims against Jon proven in court then Jon strongly faced being charged with federal charges which could've resulted in some serious jail time.
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What???
They built their case backwards
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A surefire way to craft a weak suit. Never build your case backwards. No matter what side you are on. Building a case backwards is what happened to Amanda Knox and why an innocent woman sat in jail for four years. Thankfully nothing that serious happened here.
Vanessa, don't even try to understand. :)
" he didn't stand a chance in hell of successfully fighting this lawsuit against her."
Isn't that the POINT if you file against someone? You want to go into the lawsuit with the upper hand. You want the other party to not have a chance in hell. That's IDEAL Because then you win! She can't be saying that Kate was just doing this to play games and "show" Jon and never wanted to bury him. Why, you could be held in contempt for such shenanigans. Our Kate wouldn't go there. Sheeple, she was buried by Tuma. Accept it. The court of law is not here for someone to play a little cat and mouse game with their ex. Please leave these courtrooms free for people who have legitimate complaints.
@LisaNH I highly doubt any attorney is going to take on her battle with Hoffman. Tuma completely dismantled this case. There is nothing left. Based on conspiracy, she now backs off those claims.
And there were no John or Jane Does unearthed in discovery.
Admin thank you for having this blog. It is good to be able to express opinions without all the "poo flinging." Lol
In my opinion~
She had hoped this case would bring to light the sources who spoke to Hoffman, then link Jon to hacking and paint the entire "alleged journal" not directly, but through smoke and mirrors as a conspiracy to ruin her and make money for Jon.
This way in her mind she would never have to deny or admit to the journal's accuracy. She would have destroyed all credibility for anyone and everyone involved with the Gosselin Book.
She thought she was putting out a fire.
I think she was pouring gasoline on it.
A local radio station was interviewing a 13 year old actress this morning. Talk about poise!
Not one 'um', 'and um...', 'honestly', 'like'.
And she answered the questions succinctly, didn't flounder around saying 100 things that make no sense for the question asked. She didn't bash anyone. The one question which might have been a little touchy she answered very tactfully.
Surely if one took some coaching one could manage to spit out a coherent sentence which actually answered the question. If a 13 year old can do it, surely a 36 year could manage it.
There is also the legitimate possibility (and IMO the most likely one) Kate had so much proof against Jon he didn't stand a chance in hell of successfully fighting this lawsuit against her
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You actually think that if this were true, she would have dropped the suit?? IF IF she had proof, it would have taken them BOTH, Jon AND Robert down. There's no proof because there's NO PROOF. You think Robert would be so cocky if he thought there was some smoking gun out there? His lawyer is TOP NOTCH. He wouldn't bother with Robert if he thought he was guilty of anything.
She has so much proof in your honest opinion? surrreee
I wonder if part of the dismissal would include Kate not speaking about it in interviews and not being able to say that she "dismissed it for the good of the children." I certainly would hope that they put something like that in there.
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Was reading up thread the comments Ziggy made on her blog. I almost feel sorry for her, almost. Some of these sheep are just so ignorant, so close minded. I'd pay good money to see just one of them say, "yup, I was wrong. She really is nasty".
I wonder if part of the dismissal would include Kate not speaking about it in interviews and not being able to say that she "dismissed it for the good of the children." I certainly would hope that they put something like that in there.
Marie
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I agree, that would be great. No "for the good of the children," no blog posts, no tweets. I hope she doesn't get to say a darn thing to try to spin herself as the martyr here when SHE started this big ole mess all on her own. Enough is enough. Given she hasn't said anything so far, I'm hoping that's the case. When you are winning, you can call the shots and insist on all of that, and I hope they did.
Vanessa, don't even try to understand. :)
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Ha ha! You're absolutely right. It probably goes the same way for them. They probably are saying WE don't understand! Scary world we live in.
I wonder if part of the dismissal would include Kate not speaking about it in interviews and not being able to say that she "dismissed it for the good of the children." I certainly would hope that they put something like that in there.
Marie
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Yes, that would be perfect. It would even be a great penance for her to have to keep her pie hole shut for once.
Just found some sheeple spin...they are honing in on the part where Jon agreed to drop any claims/counter claims and are saying why would he do this if he knew TFW's claims were false?
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Simple. Because unlike Kate he understands that suing his ex and making her pay for this crap is not good for his children. It's really as simple as that. She is the mother of his children and unlike Kate, he respects that the children love her and that she is their other parent and that it's in their best interest they all move on from this.
When you enter a lawsuit, you need proof. Here's our former Prime Minister describing it, in a nutshell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX6XMIldkRU
PJ
Well Maybe Kate's still suing since she said 100% of stories written by her is all lies lol look out radar you're next for printing lies.
The sheeple just need to take a deep breath, sit back, and shut up. The more they spin it, the more stupid they look, with this zippo person leading the flock. If you are that darn dumb, why put it out there on Twitter? I guess it's a case of being too stupid to know that you're showing how idiotic you really are. Time for deflecting, continuing the baby animal contest and tweeting platitudes. When it comes to understanding and discussing lawsuits, they are so out of their league.
Is Milo still in hibernation?
The sheep became personally involved in this. In general they gave as good as they got in this poo flinging contest. Trouble is people's feelings and pride were hurt in the crossfire. Now they are so completely vested they refuse the truth even at the cost of appearing foolish and dim witted.
And again their Idol hides or tweets rainbow-isms.
Marie said... 49
I wonder if part of the dismissal would include Kate not speaking about it in interviews and not being able to say that she "dismissed it for the good of the children." I certainly would hope that they put something like that in there.
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That would be so hilarious and it would eat her up not to be able to lie on TV and toss Jon under the bus.
Marie...was thinking the same thing (47)..some sort of gag order to STFU. However, wondered about your previous remark towards beginning of this thread...I hope you were being sarcastic.
Reader, yes. This reminds me of the failed cruise.
They were just SOOO sure that anyone who signed up for the cruise must have nefarious intentions. They went on a defective detective mission to screen and out anyone who expressed interest. If I recall they even went after Gypsi. They scared off people who might have been interested and deeply offended some true fans.
It was their delusion that Kate haters had organized to sabotage the cruise and sink the ship that led to themselves sabotaging the cruise, just like it was Kate's (and theirs) delusion that Jon is trying to sabotage her that led to this disaster of a suit. While there is no denying there are some non-fans who choose to contact things like the cruise to express displeasure, there is no organized operation, conspiracy, army or green berets, nor do I believe this has much to do with influencing most of her opportunities with rare exception (the swimsuit thing, but that was because it was a small inexperienced company who had no idea how to handle anyone controversial like most other companies do). Even when shown actual IP addresses that showed no conspiracy, they still don't believe it. The paranoia sure is fascinating.
Milo is still pouting after accepting that acknowledgement of her apology from the hater (good for you Milo).
If even this can't draw Milo out that says a lot. I give her credit for not saying anything about this, at least so far. Sometimes it really is better t just not chime in. Their spin makes Kate look like a manipulative ex from hell who used our fine court system that we pay for with our tax dollars to show her ex she COULD. That is not the spin I would want. If anything, they implicate her in actions that could potentially put her in contempt of court. I don't know if they know this, but if caught using the court system to "play games" with lawsuits you were never serious about, you could be held in contempt. Highly unlikely, but I wouldn't go there if I were them.
Regarding her recent stomach turning tweet, school p/u with dog....total fabrication, damage control, fantasy land, eternally living in here depraved mind. GO AWAY!
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 22m
@popems42 @summerdowling87 @Spar_kle_Girl @princeoftweetin @Kateplusmy8 Jon released 'with prejudice'.
Jon released with prejudice? LOL! Read the dismissal, Ziggy!
"Plaintiff Kate Gosselin agrees to dismiss with prejudice all claims and potential claims that she has or may have against Defendant Jonathan K. Gosselin that were or could have been"
Good grief.
Did ya'll see how pissed KK got when the host of home&family read the Q about Kate still using her kids for her own gain.
Did ya'll see how pissed KK got when the host of home&family read the Q about Kate still using her kids for her own gain.
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That was so funny. They were supposed to read Facebook questions but the only one they had was how do youcoparent with someone who is so different and the answer is.,,,you don't
Frankly, I do not think most of the sheeple know what 'with prejudice' means. Which makes their comments funnier, I guess.
One can only hope that part of yesterday's agreement does include a gag order for Kate and social media - it would be a blessing IMO. Perhaps that is why she was rainbow farting tweets last night about putting her babies to bed. Huh? Those babies are growing KIDS, but everything she says does clarify how she sees them in her mind. And yes, once again her use of English is mystifying. She's 'excited' to be going to bed. Strange, strange duck. And now a duck with a pretty empty pond. Karma.
Marie...was thinking the same thing (47)..some sort of gag order to STFU. However, wondered about your previous remark towards beginning of this thread...I hope you were being sarcastic.
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Sorry about that. I am very sarcastic in person and sometimes it doesn't translate in print. I try to be cognizant of that but don't always do a good job.
Martha, it was meant to be a parody of sorts of the things that Kate has said in interviews. "Everything I do is for my kids, etc., they deserve silver platters.)
Her me time on H & F shows she knew that she was going to dismiss the lawsuit on Tuesday and took advantage of it by throwing Jon under the bus. TFW thought he needed a new fresh set of 4 wheeler tire marks up and down his back. Or, did she pay Steve to do it with the scooter?
She knew she was going to agree to not bash Jon anymore and this gave her the chance to do it, legally. She did do a pretty good job at it, but she could of been more viler.
You know the old saying, It comes In Threes? Well, I have the feeling this saying will apply in kates situation. She lost the LaFaire lawsuit, She lost the lawsuit with prejudice against Jon and I believe she will lose against Robert, I'm calling it, with prejudice, OR she will barrel ahead with it, get into depositions and then pull out with prejudice.
Also, I think doing the depositions will really put her under so much stress, turmoil, angst, gnashing of her veneers that she will have a major mental break down and will have to be hospitalized.
I am still very concerned about Steve being able to swoop in and take over the kids, over Jon, if something like this happened to her. She hates Jon so bad that it wouldn't surprise me if they got a notarized paper stating this. Just think. Steve knows the code to the gate of the compound. Jon, the father, does not know. So very wrong.
Did ya'll see how pissed KK got when the host of home&family read the Q about Kate still using her kids for her own gain.
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I watched the H&Fcouch questions, and I thought they asked her a lot of questions that everyone else has interviewed her hasn't had the balls to ask her.
They didn't fluff around it to much, they weren't doing any butt-kissing...and it's ironic that a family show is the one that asked the questions, and not a 'news' person like Katie Couric.
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Yep Ziggy person - Kate's lawsuit was so strong that her lawyers dropped most of the original charges in their first response to the motion to dismiss ... and their next masterful legal maneuver was to agree to dismiss the case with prejudice ... LOL! That must have been some really strong case they had!!
Hell, I know nothing about legalese, and even I could see that Tuma was schooling Kate's boys and making them look like first year law students!
As much as I'd like to see Hoffman save his money and time, I really think Kate deserves to be deposed by a very skillful lawyer! "Let's get it on!"
Admin, I also want to express my appreciation at having such a nice verandah to gather and discuss things. The pool boys and blog gals are ever so efficient, and the rumspringa servings are generous!
Sheeple are in full bleet-mode saying WOS is doing this because:
1) she loves her kids too much
2)doesn't want him to go to jail
3)Jon saying the kids saw the night about their mother throwing his things out, will then make the kids testify, and WOS doesn't want to do that to the kids
They do say this, and I'd like a legal explanation for this (it's splitting hairs, but let's clarify it for clarity's sake, lol)
They are saying WOS dropped the case against Jon....instead of it being 'dismissed'...
okay, legal eagles here, what's the difference?
Frankly, I do not think most of the sheeple know what 'with prejudice' means. Which makes their comments funnier, I guess.
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lol!! I guess they know what the word "prejudice" means, and if they think that Jon released Kate with prejudice, it means that he is the won who dismissed the lawsuit, but still is prejudiced against Kate; i.e., there's still hate and animosity there and he still wants to put a nail in her coffin!
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Reader, yes. This reminds me of the failed cruise.
They were just SOOO sure that anyone who signed up for the cruise must have nefarious intentions. They went on a defective detective mission to screen and out anyone who expressed interest. If I recall they even went after Gypsi. They scared off people who might have been interested and deeply offended some true fans.
It was their delusion that Kate haters had organized to sabotage the cruise and sink the ship that led to themselves sabotaging the cruise, just like it was Kate's (and theirs) delusion that Jon is trying to sabotage her that led to this disaster of a suit. While there is no denying there are some non-fans who choose to contact things like the cruise to express displeasure, there is no organized operation, conspiracy, army or green berets, nor do I believe this has much to do with influencing most of her opportunities with rare exception (the swimsuit thing, but that was because it was a small inexperienced company who had no idea how to handle anyone controversial like most other companies do). Even when shown actual IP addresses that showed no conspiracy, they still don't believe it. The paranoia sure is fascinating.
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You know what that saying, every time you point a finger you have three more pointing back at you? Whenever TFW or her followers are paranoid about something, I think why?
They believe that all the negative things said about TFW must come from Jon as some elaborate prank to get TFW? Then TFW must be constantly trying to get people together to spread negative things about Jon. Isn't that what they do? They DM each other on twitter and ban together to come up with plans to negate negative articles?
They also planted stories that Jon was in cahoots with a pap to get his picture taken in exchange for money. Well I think no such thing. I think TFW does this all the time (when there are any takers) so she thinks Jon must do it too, and he must be stopped.
TFW thinks Jon hacked into her computer? TFW must have tried hacking into his.
TFW says Jon is an absentee father? TFW is an absentee mother (I refuse to believe, even if she's there with the kids, she's all that present).
I think this could be true of anyone, but I think especially true with narcissists. They are the most paranoid about the things they themselves are guilty of doing. Any accusation TFW says about Jon, is most especially true about herself.
Simple. Because unlike Kate he understands that suing his ex and making her pay for this crap is not good for his children. It's really as simple as that. She is the mother of his children and unlike Kate, he respects that the children love her and that she is their other parent and that it's in their best interest they all move on from this.
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True, and this refutes Goody's claim that he is out to nail her coffin. If he really was hell-bent on revenge and out to get her, he wouldn't agree not to file a countersuit. He'd go after her with a high-power attorney in back of him.
OrangeCrusher1 said... 67
She's 'excited' to be going to bed. Strange, strange duck. And now a duck with a pretty empty pond. Karma.
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I would guess she's "excited" the kids are in bed so now she can have some uninterrupted "me" time. If she were normal, or her children were younger, I wouldn't read into this. But she's TFW, so I think she's always excited when she doesn't have to deal with the kids.
i just hope its truly over, and the claim was not dropped so it can be settled......by JUDGE JUDY......
We don't know who all the John & Jane Does are? or if that is that other law suit, or they are 2 separate things. Better to be safe than sorry.
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I just wanted to point out that Doe defendants are no one, until the name of a real person or legal entity is substituted in. Until that happens, Doe defendants are like empty boxes. They are just there holding a spot if needed, for a potential defendant that might be learned about during the discovery phase. If a plaintiff already knows the name of an individual or entity (company, corporation, etc.) that they believe should be named as a defendant, they would have already named them in the complaint or substituted them in.
In other words, there aren't any Doe defendants on a list somewhere, just waiting to be publicly named.
MARIE @MY_3BCOLLIES 38s
#Kateplusmy8 ALL you bullies could combine ALL your brains together and you still wouldn't be half as smart,with common sense as Ziggy:)
Are they ALL this dumb? I guess ignorance really is bliss. At least the non-fans could figure out that the plaintiff (sheeple, this is Kate. A plaintiff is the one bringing the lawsuit) dismissed the lawsuit with prejudice, and that Jon didn't release with prejudice, as they sheep would have you believe. By the way, Jon and Robert were the DEFENDANTS.
I'm done trying to understand them, and no amount of head banging on the wall is going to do any good!
ANNA LOWE said... 79
i just hope its truly over, and the claim was not dropped so it can be settled......by JUDGE JUDY......
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KK would never go to Judy lol.
Judy hates liars dog abuser and people that waste her time and KK is/does all three.
Angie said... 71
Did ya'll see how pissed KK got when the host of home&family read the Q about Kate still using her kids for her own gain.
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I watched the H&Fcouch questions, and I thought they asked her a lot of questions that everyone else has interviewed her hasn't had the balls to ask her.
They didn't fluff around it to much, they weren't doing any butt-kissing...and it's ironic that a family show is the one that asked the questions, and not a 'news' person like Katie Couric.
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Yea she was expecting the soft Q&A you could tell she was thrown a bit when he read that Q.
Marie said... 49
I wonder if part of the dismissal would include Kate not speaking about it in interviews and not being able to say that she "dismissed it for the good of the children." I certainly would hope that they put something like that in there.
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Me too Marie. With an additional clause that if she does talk about the dismissal with prejudice and implies that Jon was guilty of any of the acts alleged in her complaint, but she chose to dismiss "for the good of the children," that she will be subject to severe financial penalties.
TFW thinks Jon hacked into her computer? TFW must have tried hacking into his.
TFW says Jon is an absentee father? TFW is an absentee mother (I refuse to believe, even if she's there with the kids, she's all that present).
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Yes, narcissists are masters of projection. Anything and everything they accuse you of, label you as, all the diabolical, outrageous accusations "generally speaking" are things about themselves!!
"All narcissist’s project their unhealed parts – because they simply can’t and won’t take responsibility for them. Narcissists don’t like the fact they are empty, needy for approval, pathologically envious, and have horrible thoughts about themselves and other people. They detest their own feelings of vulnerability, deep shame and unworthiness. When the ‘mask’ (False Self) can’t keep the cover up holding these feelings submerged (which it can’t indefinitely) these broken parts rush into the narcissist’s consciousness, and they feel horrendous for the narcissist. Narcissistic injury feels like emotional annihilation to the narcissist. It is unthinkable, unbearable and will be avoided at all costs. Non personality-disordered people do not have this issue. They are capable of accepting being ‘wrong’ and ‘imperfect’ and realise it is a part of the normal human experience. ‘Normal’ people may not necessary like it – but they can accept it and take responsibility for it. Naturally when you confront the narcissist about his or her disgusting behaviour you create the same situation – ‘Here are your broken disowned parts’. The narcissist’s False Self then goes into automatic deflection and projection. Due to the narcissist’s self-disgust with his or her unhealed/ disowned parts, this is a necessary emotional survival mechanism. He or she will inevitably assign these parts on to you. This ensures two things: 1) You are punished for challenging the False Self, and 2) You become the atrocious person who has committed all of these unacceptable things (or at the very least have been the cause of them). Narcissistic parents project their unhealed parts on to their children, narcissistic bosses do it to their employees, and narcissists do it to their love partners. You do not have to ‘critique’ a narcissist for it to happen – he or she may just be having a painful internal moment – which for a narcissist is regular. Unattended unhealed parts scream out painfully for attention – that’s just what they do. The narcissist will use any method available to project. This means fabricating, distorting, assigning significance to, or exaggerating what you said or did as ‘evidence’, and / or quoting third party allies which can also be fabricated. You will be astounded after stating the facts and gaining some sort of sensibility (forcing the narcissist after a mammoth battle to admit the ‘truth’ regarding these fabrications) when at a later date the narcissist will deny all of that and default back to his or her fabricated version of projection. You will also be amazed at how the narcissist lies about an ‘event’ that you were present to and upholds it as absolute truth regardless of the fact you were there! I promise you this: Narcissists actually believes their fabricated versions. You need to understand that the narcissist’s thinking and brain-wiring is so disordered that when he or she uses a deflection to avoid his or her disowned parts – this becomes real to the narcissist. When you understand all of this, you can clearly see that the narcissist is speaking to a mirror. "
In relation to yourself this is the really important part.
Anyone who has ever lived through the projections of a narcissist knows the insanity, the crazy-making, the intense struggle to try to prove yourself as innocent, the incredible twists and turns that the narcissist will perform to avoid accountability, and how any accountability or ‘safety’ gained from these tussels can fly out the window at a moment’s notice and return to the pathological versions.
You will be astounded, heartbroken, and dismayed how these fabricated versions are worth so much more to the narcissist then you, maintaining a healthy relationship with you, or even valuing any relationship at all with you.
You will be shocked and devastated at how the narcissist will forego all future shared ‘dreams’, all security created together (including family), and is so capable of procuring other sources of narcissistic supply at a moment’s notice - JUST to remain non-accountable and keep blaming you.
You feel like you’re going insane trying to get this person to JUST act like a decent and ‘normal’ human being.
Surely it’s NOT that hard!
The problem is this – you believe the narcissist can be ‘normal’ and is wired like a ‘normal’ human being.
You need to accept this is not the case.
When behaviour has reached the level of pathological lying, malicious acts of vengeance, smearing and non-accountability (which of course includes projection) you are dealing with NPD point blank.
This person is not brain-wired ‘normally’ and is not going to change.
The ‘love’ you thought was real or possible is not. It didn’t and doesn’t exist. What was going on in the name of ‘love’ is this: you were the vehicle to feed the narcissist’s False Self to avoid his or her internal damage.
The relationship was never going to be healthy or work…
This relationship was never about you – it was always firmly all about the narcissist – regardless of how much you believed the narcissist was loving and caring at times.
We need to understand why we have accepted these projections and did not understood that this was not our stuff - it was the narcissist’s damaged parts that were hurled at us.
- See more at: http://blog.melanietoniaevans.com/how-the-narcissist-projects-hisher-behaviour-onto-you/#sthash.VcBJ1pvx.dpuf
I just wonder what Kate is going to do to Jon next? This lawsuit against Jon failed (more like blew up!). Now what is her next move?
They didn't fluff around it to much, they weren't doing any butt-kissing...and it's ironic that a family show is the one that asked the questions, and not a 'news' person like Katie Couric.
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True, I noticed that too. But when she gave her answers they tsk tsk tskd (well HE did anyways) The female host was just chomping at the bit to say something, they should have let her. That would have gone viral
In other words, there aren't any Doe defendants on a list somewhere, just waiting to be publicly named.
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Thank you for that explanation.
OT: I know there are many dog, cat, animal lovers in here and I love dogs! Sadly, in the county where I am from the Animal Control Officer is deplorable and inhumane. Many horrendous complaints about him, but he keeps avoiding getting fired.
Well, he committed another act, severe neglect of duties when he received a call about a Chocolate Lab laying on the side of the road, severely injured. He told the man who found him that he would go and see about it. 2 days later, the dog was STILL laying on the ground, suffering. Word got around and a lady went and got him and took him to the vet for medical attention. Unfortunately, he was euthanized, but he was with several people who cared and helped him cross over.
What is even worse about this situation, the poor dog laid out in the freezing cold, it was at least 20 degrees at night for 2 nights AFTER the ACO saw him. We don't know how long the dog had been laying there until the man discovered him. The lady that went and got him and took him to the vet started a petition on change.org to present signatures to the County Commissioners to do something about this situation.
Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/pwau7df
#JusticeForJax You can scroll down on the petition and read some of the comments. They are unreal.
Angie said:
They are saying WOS dropped the case against Jon....instead of it being 'dismissed'...
okay, legal eagles here, what's the difference?
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There isn't any difference. Jon and Kate worked out a settlement of some kind, with the end result being that Kate has agreed to dismiss her lawsuit against Jon. That's the same as "dropping" it, but the official term would be "dismissed." The most common way a lawsuit is resolved is via a dismissal (usually following some type of settlement process).
(In this case, a proper legal thumping by Tuma et al against Kate's weak and sloppy legal team.)
When all else fails, and you can't participate in a coherent debate on Twitter because your side lost and you can't handle it, bring up the bullying factor.
And I don't care if someone is taking care of a disabled person. Step away from the computer. You are an ADULT who spends waaaay too much time fighting on the internet with others over a has-been reality personality and then crying "bullied" to your (supposed) White Knights and anyone else who will give you a minute of sympathy. You are a true embarrassment.
I needed to get that off my chest.
What happened to Kate's lawyers to the stahs in Beverly Hills?
I forgot to add on my post about the ACO, that if you have facebook, if you would like, would you post the link on your status? That would be wonderful. I would love to see the petition get several thousand signatures to be presented at the meeting. Wish I was a fly on the wall at that meeting just to see him squirm and beg for his job!
Millicent #91
thanks for clarifying it....sometimes it's just a matter of semantics, but it's good to get written out specifically by someone in the field.
Thank you.
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Here is a wonderful. normal, family of sextuplets that has slipped under the radar. They were born a year before the Gosselin 6 in Pittsburgh PA. Quite a contrast. The mother of the 6 is on to help raise funds for a camera that would allow parents and grandparents to see newborns in hospital.
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/video/9237659-perry-sextuplets-then-now/
OrangeCrusher1 said... 93
What happened to Kate's lawyers to the stahs in Beverly Hills?
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They didn't know how to help her.
Vanessa, thanks for giving us that information about the narcissist. I had a boss that was a narcissist and it really rings true.
I needed to get that off my chest.
You got it off my chest, too. That's exactly how I feel. Sometimes, though, I can't help but feel a tad bit of pity for the sheeple because they are so darn stupid and they can't discuss anything with an ounce of intelligence. They aren't smart enough to know that when a person is so incapable of logical thinking that you don't take to Twitter and embarrass yourself. That's exactly what they are doing, and they just keep on and on and on, they come up with stuff that makes absolutely no sense, they bait and then they cry "bully." It's really all they have left at this point. They've been doing it for so long and because it has worked for them in the past (to a certain degree), they figure those are the cards to play. It's time to implement something new, only they haven't yet been able to come up with anything that hasn't been tried.
While this is a great outcome for Jon, I really, really, really wanted it to get to the judge and have him throw it all out of court because it was so stupid.
Something else to get off my chest! I really wish someone on Twitter (either the fans, non-fans, or both) would at least respond to some of the questions that the Daisy person asks. She seems like such a poor soul, and nobody "bothers" with her. They are under no obligation, of course, but still it would be nice if they did.
Not much of what she says make any sense, but still, she is such a Jon and Kate fan, apparently wants them to get back together, loves Kate to death, but nobody pays any attention to her. I feel sorry for her because she's just having a one-sided conversation with herself.
There. I feel much better. Time to break out a rumspringa, or two.
I actually wish that Robert would go to court with her. He would blow her out of the water.
Blowing, the nonfans will reply kindly to her but the fans ignore her. I wish someone would tell her that redneck account is a joke though
Robert has a new post. Part of it is in response to Celebrity Dirty Laundry calling him "The Garbage Man" in their article about the lawsuit.
http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/
Doesn't seem like Robert is as worried about the lawsuit as the sheeple believe him to be.
While this is a great outcome for Jon, I really, really, really wanted it to get to the judge and have him throw it all out of court because it was so stupid.
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I have a feeling that may still happen ;)
New post by Robert! Garbage Man.
Garbage Man by Joseph D'Lacey
Mason Brand has fled his life as a celebrated photographer and renounced his past. He is living rough, as a hermit in the Welsh hills, when something happens to him among the mossy oaks. He begins to hear "the calling." Years later, Mason is living with sight of a colossal landfill dump, and he hears "the calling" again. This time he will heed it, and it will lead him, for he is called to assist in a terrible birth—out of the waste of human society comes a thing, and its enemy is human. Tackling the issue of the environment and landfill sites, this chilling fable of eco-horror asks what happens to all the unwanted things we bury, because they just won't go away.
http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/
Hahahahaha! Robert always knows how to respond. I love his sense of humor.
Blowing, the nonfans will reply kindly to her but the fans ignore her. I wish someone would tell her that redneck account is a joke though
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I know, local. If I had Twitter, I'd tell her myself. It looks like two non-fans did wish her an early happy birthday. Good for them. I just feel so sorry for her.
Let me see if I can understand the sheeple logic...Kate filed the lawsuit against Jon "knowing" that she could prove her claims and then he would be charged with federal crimes and be sent to jail. Jon's lawyer filed a motion to dismiss, and Kate dropped half her charges. Tuma filed a second motion to dismiss (one that would, most likely, result in all the rest of the charges being dismissed). Instead of waiting for a response to the brilliant and expensive MTD, Jon panicked and decided to squeal on Hoffman rather than wait to see if the MTD was successful. Without waiting to see if Kate was even able to come up with a response.
Sorry, this just makes my head hurt. Why would Jon panic when is first MTD was so successful? Why would he panic without waiting to see if Kate was even able to figure out a response? Why panic before waiting to see if the second MTD was successful? The first one was, why would he expect otherwise? Why would he spend all that money on the second MTD if he wasn't even going to wait to see if it worked? Why would he rat out Hoffman and admit to being part of some vast conspiracy if he is putting himself in danger of federal charges? Kate can drop her civil charges, but if he admits to federal crimes, she can't stop him being charged for any criminal acts he admits to. Tuma would have explained that to him. Are we to believe that Jon would risk criminal charges to make a civil case go away? How stupid are these people to believe that kind of garbage? I really hope the case against Hoffman goes to court because I think she will learn a valuable lesson from her time on the stand. But I'm curious about how the sheeple would spin it if she dropped the charges against Hoffman.
OMG! If I could, I would send Robert the song "Wild Thang!"
you make my heart sing, Groovy!
But I wanna know for sure, so, show me.
Ooh ,I love ya!!!!
franky
Laverne and Shirley, lawyers to the stahs, did not want to touch this case with a ten mile pole!
And where is razzle dazzle, attorney on the original filing? Is he one more person who didn't know how to help her?
OMG, I laughed my #$% off when I saw Robert's latest posts...LOL still laughing.
I vote Robert for prez of cool.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
lukebandit,
Reading about that poor dog just made my heart hurt. It's unfathomable that someone could allow an animal to suffer like that. How could that ACO sleep at night knowing that a hurt dog was suffering at that very moment? That is inhuman.
At the same time I was reading that, my boys were talking about the indoor dog house they want to find for our pups. They want something soft-sided and lined with shearling so that it will feel like crawling inside an Uggs boot. Indoor so the pups don't have to go out in the cold to enjoy it. And if it doesn't exist, they want to make it themselves. The contrast between the boys planning the ultimate in comfort for our furry babies and that poor dog lying alone, injured, and freezing along the side of a road just made me want to cry. I need to sign that petition.
Here's the link from Watch What Happens Live After Show, where they were joking about K8 exploiting her kids. Starts at minute 2:30
http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-10/videos/after-show-what-s-surprising-about-lauer
LOL check this out.
https://twitter.com/Paigeybethxo/status/403310545299701760/photo/1
No wonder why KK thinks psychology is neat.
Robert chose the perfect book.
"When you bury your secrets, make sure you dig a deep enough hole." Bwahahaha! Love it!!
T said... 115
Here's the link from Watch What Happens Live After Show, where they were joking about K8 exploiting her kids. Starts at minute 2:30
http://www.bravotv.com/watch-what-happens-live/season-10/videos/after-show-what-s-surprising-about-lauer
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LOL I think he called her Kate Gosling! Theyre gonna earn the money for the family!
chefsummer said... 116
LOL check this out.
https://twitter.com/Paigeybethxo/status/403310545299701760/photo/1
No wonder why KK thinks psychology is neat
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Funny thing is it seems to be saying there is a difference between single parent household and a true single parent who has no other parent at all. LOL
Here's the link from Watch What Happens Live After Show, where they were joking about K8 exploiting her kids. Starts at minute 2:30
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I don't seem to be able to find that part. I heard something about Kate Gosselin, putting the kids on television and supporting the family, but no jokes about her exploiting her kids. Is that in another part of the video?
Lynne In RI said... 120
Here's the link from Watch What Happens Live After Show, where they were joking about K8 exploiting her kids. Starts at minute 2:30
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I don't seem to be able to find that part. I heard something about Kate Gosselin, putting the kids on television and supporting the family, but no jokes about her exploiting her kids. Is that in another part of the video?
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Andy Cohen says it right after the dude from Modern Family says Gosling.
Lynne In RI said... 120
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I don't seem to be able to find that part. I heard something about Kate Gosselin, putting the kids on television and supporting the family, but no jokes about her exploiting her kids. Is that in another part of the video?
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No Lynn it's right around there. Andy says "exploit, exploit, exploit" and Jesse jokes "you have to make money for the family", or something along those lines. It was short & snarky. So much for everyone who meets her loving her...
Dear Layla, your beautiful post is making me cry! Thank you for caring, signing the petition. The ACO is a wacko. A woman found 2 small dogs in the road and took them to the vet and got them groomed, wormed, shots, neutered the whole nine yards. Bill is 700 dollars. She was trying to find their owners. 2 men showed up and was wanting to claim them. The ACO showed up and said, hey you can get them but you don't have to reimburse her for the vet bill! He's bat crazy! What is wrong with him? It was their responsibility to pay. Then they didn't want them because they were neutered. Then the lady said, Hey, I will give you 200 dollars, give them to me and I will find them homes. Then the ACO, kept on and on and on telling them that they could take the dogs and not pay the bill! IMO, he had no right to say that! Isn't that conflict of interest? So this wonderful lady was out 900 dollars, but she got those dogs! I am praying they fire him. He needs a psych evaluation.
Layla 114, and Lukebandit
My heart is breaking, yet seeing rainbows.
My own Black Lab, we just found a mass. But, she is 12, and had a great live and will.
de, not so happy, we got her as " her" dog at 4.
Leving a dog to suffer is plain cruelty.
franky
Funny thing is it seems to be saying there is a difference between single parent household and a true single parent who has no other parent at all. LOL
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LOL I saw that. It says something like a true single parent means the other parent is completely absent from the situation. Otherwise you're just a co parent. That textbook was pretty poorly written. Is this what we're teaching college kids today?
Actually it just occurred to me Kate might be pissed that textbook used her without compensation or permission. No one invokes her name without payment. Paige might have ticked her off unintentionally with that little pic.
lukebandit,
It just doesn't seem fair that some animals are left to suffer. Our Aussies are our babies, and they are so spoiled and loved. The lab you wrote about deserved to be cherished and adored, just like our babies. If that ACO had done his job and rescued that dog, he could now be snuggled on the couch with a half dozen kids scratching him behind the ears and fussing over him. He deserved that, and this selfish man took it away from him. It's just not fair. What makes him think he has the right to deny another living creature its life and well-being? That's infuriating!
Franky, it takes a lot of courage to put your pet's well-being before your desire to keep her with you. I know you won't let her suffer, and when it is time to let go, you will be right there with her, making her feel loved and adored to the last second of her life. She deserves nothing less. She has had a good, long life with a loving mommy, and she has been blessed to have you.
So Katie's media tour about how no one felt sorry for my experience is set to begin when?
Oh! maybe they are waiting a week to see what happens with RH. Yeah, that's it.
A poor pitiful me tour should be all encompassing
Something to ponder.
If Robert's book is republished and tfw is invited on shows to refute it, knowing that it will be quoted on said show, will she appear?
Ok, after the first one, will she continue if she knows the questions will be "hardball"?
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Actually it just occurred to me Kate might be pissed that textbook used her without compensation or permission.
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I'm guessing she doesn't know about it lol.
I mean she doesn't pay attention any ways so it shouldn't be a problem.
LOL they did make fun of KK exploiting the kids saying how they make the money for the family.
That's what three time fro Andy poking fun of KK?
Wow! Kates TL is very, very quiet. Even that freak Milo is very quiet, so are her regulars. I guess Kate is plotting her next move. What? damage control, new drama, change history a bit, be on some talk show or interview by some rag.( access, et, etc?), MMMMMM wonder what shit she will come up with, that might get real stinky!
Hey, how come Access & Et and the others did not interview her for her book? Isn't it odd? Or the other major talk shows have her on?
Wow! Kates TL is very, very quiet. Even that freak Milo is very quiet, so are her regulars.
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For once, Milo is staying out of it, which is a good move on her part.
I kind of respect Milo for staying out of this at least so far. They're twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to explain how Kate comes out on top on this one and it makes them sound delusional and irrational. Not to mention obsessed fans if you would go so far as to come up with such idiotic explanations. Milo of all people is the one with the good sense to stay quiet. She of all people sounds so much more stable simply by not chiming in with a nonsense explanation.
Not to mention obsessed fans if you would go so far as to come up with such idiotic explanations. Milo of all people is the one with the good sense to stay quiet.
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So far, so good. I'm wondering, though, if she's being quiet because she doesn't want to get involved, or if she is still sulking about the criticism she got about the dressed dogs photo. I haven't seen anyone on Kate's TL ask about her, but I'm not on Twitter, so I don't see everything.
Time will tell....but maybe getting milo to STFU was arranged by the settlement. Of course, that would imply that milo really is TFW or is in cahoots with her. This is all conspiracy theory but that would explain why Kate almost never a knowledges milo. Why tweet back to yourself or someone who is tweeting what you've asked then to tweet. Ehhhh....I dunno. Just late night mind ramblings
I suppose anything is possible. How hysterical would that be if Tuma demanded that the terms of the dismissal include that Milo must STFU.
Theo and Beau. This is why dogs should be allowed inside. All the time. Google it if you missed it.
Thanks Layla.
I have decided to let Kayla just live, when she doesn't, will do what is right by her.
franky
stoopid phone....accordingwhen Kayla is no longer feeling well.
franky
I can't find the blog entry in which TFW justifies having filed her lawsuit in the first place...pulled from her website, maybe?
Never mind--I found it. Linking it here, for your (re) reading pleasure:
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/in-reply-to-the-many-requests-to-comment-on-the-recent-lawsuit-filed-on-my-behalf/
Not to mention obsessed fans if you would go so far as to come up with such idiotic explanations. Milo of all people is the one with the good sense to stay quiet.
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Susie Cincinnati said... 135
So far, so good. I'm wondering, though, if she's being quiet because she doesn't want to get involved, or if she is still sulking about the criticism she got about the dressed dogs photo. I haven't seen anyone on Kate's TL ask about her, but I'm not on Twitter, so I don't see everything.
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I think Milo's sulking and embarrassed. I was just looking at Twitter--I hadn't realized Ziggy and Sandie both called her out for the dogs' photo along with the non-fans! Ziggy said the photo was "disgusting, offensive and inappropriate," and Sandie called it "animal abuse." Ouch.
Milo can't seem to win Kate's favor in the cute baby animal contest (weird), and then her last entry flopped miserably. Milo really does (I think) love animals and I don't believe she realized the photo could be construed as very nearly abusive to the poor dogs.
She's in her usual pattern. Get ignored or called out in a personal way, and she goes away for a while. I think sometimes she waits for Kate to ask where she is or "be worried" about her. That hasn't ever really happened. Maybe once?
Lately I've been wondering, though, if one of these times Milo won't be coming back. Whatever we may think of her tactics, Milo's been loyal to Kate. If Kate loses her #1 fan, well, wow.
TwitTart @TwitTartwif 18 Nov
@A1letheia @ashymama2 @emeraldcityjazz @nancivs Do you remember the remarks Milo made about the victims of Hurricane Sandy? Despicable.
Owner @Owner09708009 19 Nov
@TwitTartwif @A1letheia @ashymama2 @EmeraldCityJazz @nancivs who does she remind you of? Identity coming.
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What did Milo say about the victims of Hurricane Sandy? Does anyone remember? They're threatening to out Milo, and it sounds like they believe she's Kate. THAT would be an interesting turn of events... a real "twist of Kate" for sure!
From the above link
The saddest part of this situation is the fact that the investigation to identify the source and those responsible for orchestrating this barrage of hate for their own financial gain
She really thinks jon orchestrated a plan to get people to bully TFW and apparently paid them to do so with kickbacks from Roberts book I guess . She is nuts! Raise your hand if you are conspiring in this manner with Jon . Anyone?
"I suppose anything is possible. How hysterical would that be if Tuma demanded that the terms of the dismissal include that Milo must STFU."
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Lost my coffee on that one...LOL
Localyocul said... 145
"She really thinks jon orchestrated a plan to get people to bully TFW and apparently paid them to do so with kickbacks from Roberts book I guess . She is nuts!"
I believe that she thinks this because it is something she has either done, or would not hesitate to do. Look at the BV hacking fiasco. She was working diligently behind the scenes with hackers to obtain information on people who were not supportive in their tweets to her.
It's absolutely insane, and I for one hope to high heaven that Robert takes this all the way and the reason I think it was not dropped for Robert is that he refuses to sign away if it contains a clause where he cannot sue her flat a$$ for smearing his name.
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Localyocul said... 145
She really thinks jon orchestrated a plan to get people to bully TFW and apparently paid them to do so with kickbacks from Roberts book I guess .
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Like I said above (and thanks Vanessa for that very informative info! I knew it was a trait of narcissism, but not to that extent. I love all of your posts!), I think TFW is paranoid that Jon is conspiring against her and profiting financially from it. Why does she think that? Because SHE conspires against JON and profits from it! Think about how much the media blasted Jon in the divorce! Who orchestrated that? TFW & TLC! And I'm sure she's being doing it since then as well. I doubt she's stopped.
Katie cry-duh said... 136
Time will tell....but maybe getting milo to STFU was arranged by the settlement. Of course, that would imply that milo really is TFW or is in cahoots with her. This is all conspiracy theory but that would explain why Kate almost never a knowledges milo. Why tweet back to yourself or someone who is tweeting what you've asked then to tweet. Ehhhh....I dunno. Just late night mind ramblings
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I have always thought that Milo was either Kate or someone very close to Kate. It would be hysterical to find out for sure. How embarassing for Kate! I bet that would get her off Twitter for good! LOL
This was Milo's last post (which she hasn't deleted):
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 18 Nov
@nancivs I tweeted apology 2several...ur the only one who acknowledged it. I know you hate me...so 4U 2do that means alot. Thanks..:)
I believe she's pouting because none of the fans acknowledged her apology, only a "hater." It's her typical martyr routine. And she's leaving the tweet up, not deleting it like she does so many of her tweets, so everyone can see how terribly hurt she is, hoping someone will tweet her and forgive her for her mistake and tell her they miss her, then she'll return saying how difficult life can be and how, once again, she has persevered and is a stronger person now.
The following is only my opinion.
The individuals (Jane & Jon Does) TFW had hoped to find through the court's discovery process, those empty boxes as Millicent describes, were individuals who spoke with Robert about their experiences with the Gosselins. The stories told to Robert are in the book.
His book consists mostly of alleged journal findings and conversations with unnamed people who knew or interacted with the Gosselins.
TFW did not know who Robert spoke to but wanted to find out in and include in her lawsuit. These names would fill in those empty boxes.
Someone had convinced TFW that she could find them through fear and intimidation on the internet and if they searched blogs for true identities.
To some extent, wanting to stop the bullying was a cover at least for TFW.
This whole lawsuit was to blow apart the credibility of anyone who had anything to do with Robert's book through fear and intimidation of an expensive lawsuit.
And piecing it together, and to get anything filed in court they had to come up with a complaint that would not be thrown out, so they came up with computer hacking. This to them would connect all the dots.
Remember when TFW gave her convoluted statement about, in looking for the source of the bullying, it turned out to be people close to her? In my humble opinion, it was all spin.
One of the haters found this tweet by a fan:
Chablis @Chablis4u 7h
@Kateplusmy8 Tripper says and I quote... "Sounds like a well-planned maneuver to me - good for Kate and her attorneys!" YCMTSU...LOL
That's the funniest tweet I've seen yet from a fan. A well planned maneuver! ROFL
It was the plan from the beginning. File a lawsuit that will have 40% of the claims dismissed after Shawn's brilliant MTD then wait a few weeks and dismiss the claims against one of the main defendants. Brilliant maneuver!
BTW, that fan, Tripper, used to have the Twitter name of "RUsmokincrack." I think we know who's smokin." LOL
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Localyocul said... 145
She really thinks jon orchestrated a plan to get people to bully TFW and apparently paid them to do so with kickbacks from Roberts book I guess .
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Like I said above (and thanks Vanessa for that very informative info! I knew it was a trait of narcissism, but not to that extent. I love all of your posts!), I think TFW is paranoid that Jon is conspiring against her and profiting financially from it. Why does she think that? Because SHE conspires against JON and profits from it! Think about how much the media blasted Jon in the divorce! Who orchestrated that? TFW & TLC! And I'm sure she's being doing it since then as well. I doubt she's stopped.
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What you say about projection is so true. My ex's wife is very narcissistic and she projects. She tells my dd that I am jealous of her. She thinks I plan to do undermining things to them and all sorts of stuff, none of which are true but all of which are true of her behavior towards her ex husband.
I don't think there was any serious investigation into finding the sources of "hate." She did not care about the twitter haters. That was PR , trying to set the stage publicly for this lawsuit.
If she stated that she wanted the names of those who spoke with Hoffman (her real goal) it would give more credence to the book's authenticity.
Again, only my opinion.
I still don't understand how the sheeple came to the conclusion that Jon will roll over on Robert. That long, expensive MDT#2 was just filed. He cut a deal without waiting to see the outcome of all that work and expense? I don't think so! It wasn't until TFW had to come up with a response that suddenly she wsn't interested in pursuing this any longer. Obviously, she couldn't come up with a response. She had nothing. So she could either drop it all or wait for the judge to do that for her. She offered to drop with prejudice if Jon would agree not to sue her. Case closed. Jon didn't need to give her anything. She needed a way out.
Now she has to come up with a response to Robert. She didn' thave anything to offer as a response to Jon, so she also won't have anything to offer in response to Robert. I'm predicting she'll file for extensions for as long as possible, hoping it will all go away.Then she'll drop it or the judge will dismiss it.
I'm still hoping she has to take the stand. How furious will she be when she realizes that Robert's lawyer can ask her unapproved questions? Everyone knows that all questions have to be approved by her ahead of time. Didn't Robert's lawyer get that memo?
Question for our legal friends here--if TFW asks for extensions, do they have to be approved by Robert's lawyer? Or can she just request them and get them approved by the court? How many extensions can she possibly get before someone says no? I am guessing there wil be a lot of requests.
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I agree with what you said 100%, especially this:
TFW did not know who Robert spoke to but wanted to find out in and include in her lawsuit. These names would fill in those empty boxes.
Someone had convinced TFW that she could find them through fear and intimidation on the internet and if they searched blogs for true identities.
To some extent, wanting to stop the bullying was a cover at least for TFW. This whole lawsuit was to blow apart the credibility of anyone who had anything to do with Robert's book through fear and intimidation of an expensive lawsuit.
I believe it was BV who convinced Kate that the people who talked to Robert were the "haters" and BV was convinced of that by the long-time fans who have fan blogs.
There was someone who posted on a fan blog at one time who used the name "Angela" or a similar name. The fans convinced BV that "Angela" was Robert and that became the link that connected Robert with the haters and hence the conspiracy theory. BV tweeted incessantly about "Angela" saying she'd soon be ID'd but never was. The subject was dropped but the conspiracy theory had been born.
And lastly, are you sick of me yet? :) I think she did a terrible disservice to her die hard twitter followers. As they began to receive attacks from her twitter critics, (again they collectively gave as good as they got) many fought harder thinking they might receive validation or even compensation in some form as a result of a lawsuit based on bullying.
Maybe they won't see it, but she used them, she let them go on believing for some time it was about them too.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 156
I believe it was BV who convinced Kate that the people who talked to Robert were the "haters" and BV was convinced of that by the long-time fans who have fan blogs.
Absolutely! When BV first went to ROL with screenshots of "haters" the screen shots were almost a year old, shot by those fans. They spend all day taking screen shots. Remember there was a lot of DMing right before this all happened, including Milo to TFW. If there is any conspiracy (well, there is) it was between the fans, BV, and TFW. Hey, there's that projection again! ;)
And no, reader, not sick of you you have great posts and insight.
Tweet-le De 152....
That is a good one. There is always one of her twitter followers making things worse.
Most likely if everyone follows the rules, we will never know what lead to the agreement in the motion to dismiss.
But the sheep have it all figured out....how?
And maneuver, really? Is "LA Law" on reruns and I don't know about it?
This is a civil case, not even off the ground, filed by some very young attorneys from the Fishtown section of Philadelphia. This was about cutting their losses, not maneuvering. lol
Here's something we haven't talked about in regards to TFW dropping her case, and that would be that perhaps Hailey admitted to TFW that the texts were all made up. No texts, no premeditated plan to sabotage TFW, no nail in Jon's coffin.
Just a thought....
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Agree completely reader. I also think she thought Jon was behind Robert's book too. If she had that kind of dirt on Jon you better believe she'd hand it over to the press.
I do think in TFW's mind she wanted to accomplish 3 things with this lawsuit: 1. Prevent the book from being published, 2. Punish Jon, 3. Punish anyone who had anything to do with the book being written. It doesn't matter what was actually written in the lawsuit, as long as those three things were accomplished.
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I don't think there was any serious investigation into finding the sources of "hate." She did not care about the twitter haters. That was PR , trying to set the stage publicly for this lawsuit.
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I agree. Tt was BV who convinced her how to get the best publicity out there. And he brought in his buddy Razzamatazz whose name isn't on this last joint motion to dismiss. Razzamatazz seems to be gone and Rushie is left holding the bag.
Wheres Kate? ...Trying to figure out how she wants to spin this latest disaster. I almost can't stand the anticipation. Lets see...."its for the sake of the kids"...."I have too much pity for Jon to put him through this"...." I'm such a wonderful person"....PICK ONE!!
Berks, As an observer I can't say with any certainty that someone lied about the alleged text, but I personally believe that was indeed false.
I cannot accept that an adult with IT experience, who, and think about this....is supposedly wanting data from a COMPUTER to prove to the world his ex's real self....would then transmit this desire (and the name of his co conspirator) via his cell phone.
And taking such a conscious risk for what? Just to tell your girlfriend? Nonsense.
And thank you Localyocal. Interesting reading here from so many.
Berks Neighbor said... 160
Here's something we haven't talked about in regards to TFW dropping her case, and that would be that perhaps Hailey admitted to TFW that the texts were all made up. No texts, no premeditated plan to sabotage TFW, no nail in Jon's coffin.
Just a thought...
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I had that thought too actually. It was the crux of her case and supposedly her lawyer was trying to get in touch with H. Maybe H finally said look I faked them, go away. Haha
Wheres Kate? ..
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This is her classic despicable behavior she always does. She lighted a massive fire and it's all exploded into a fireball. Her sheeple are left to defend her even though she's left them completely in the dark about what they should say or how to defend her. She's just completely left them to fight her battles with ZERO direction. An utter abandonment to the mess SHE created.
It's cowardly, disrespectful of her most loyal and rabid fans, and just plain pathetic.
Robert added a picture and a video to his latest post. The video is of Oscar the Grouch from Sesame Street singing "I Love Trash"!! LOL!!
http://gosselinbook.blogspot.com/
Berks Neighbor said... 160
Here's something we haven't talked about in regards to TFW dropping her case, and that would be that perhaps Hailey admitted to TFW that the texts were all made up. No texts, no premeditated plan to sabotage TFW, no nail in Jon's coffin.
Just a thought....
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It's a very interesting thought to ponder.
Their AIN'T nobody defending Kate on twitter. Wheres her "6"? I think they've all abandoned ship. I'm sure they'll be back once they find their spines. Could they have realized how stupid they really sound???
Absolutely! When BV first went to ROL with screenshots of "haters" the screen shots were almost a year old, shot by those fans. They spend all day taking screen shots. Remember there was a lot of DMing right before this all happened, including Milo to TFW. If there is any conspiracy (well, there is) it was between the fans, BV, and TFW. Hey, there's that projection again! ;)
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That projection sure is glaring isn't it? Because they spend all day taking screen shots, trying to out people, digging up information 12 years old and twisting and turning it around and in some cases outright lying about it or getting their facts all screwy or the wrong people outed, they assume that someone must be doing the same to Kate. When their defective investigation turned up absolutely no evidence of any such silly plot (we don't hAVE to twist ourselves into a pretzel to make Kate look bad, we can just sit back and watch her do it all by herself, our job is easy!), they should have dropped it. Instead they did Kate a great disservice by encouraging such a wild goose chase and encouraging how it all went back to Jon when there was never any such evidence it did. I really think if everyone in her life had banded together and gently and respectfully leveled with her that this conspiracy theory of her is paranoid and baseless, she might not have been so galvanize to pursue this. In many ways they are responsible for this suit by their encouragement and played a role in how this all blew up and backfired on her for most people. By their rabid encouragement of Kate's crap, they are hurting her. They should have bowed out gracefully when the IPs didn't reveal any connection whatsoever to Jon and Robert. I for one would have been fine with it and actually even respect it if at that point Kate said look, I had a theory about what was going on here that blamed Jon. However when I looked deeper into it I realized I was wrong. I am very sorry for that and I will be going to therapy to help me be a better co-parent. I would have respected that, hands down.
Instead they confused the issue by attacking some of the more invested non-fans and poisoned the waters and didn't do what anyone who truly cared about Kate would do--stopped her.
If Kate had a job and spent time with her kids when they were with her instead of on twitter and if she were in a successful relationship with a significant other and have been living with them for a year and a half, she would know that you probably wouldn't have the time for such nonsense. And even if you did carve out time your significant other is a pretty significant deterrent. Who wants their new girlfriend to discover you spending this much time bringing down your ex wife? It makes you look nuts and not focused on the here and now with your new woman. A good deterrent.
Wheres Kate? ...Trying to figure out how she wants to spin this latest disaster. I almost can't stand the anticipation. Lets see...."its for the sake of the kids"...."I have too much pity for Jon to put him through this"...." I'm such a wonderful person"....PICK ONE!!
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I think some of them may feel responsible and they should.
I hope they take this time to take stock of how in their quest to support every wackadoodle plan that Kate hatches, they are encouraging behavior that ultimately makes her look very bad not to mention out a ton of money, and pride. Hopefully they are doing some soul searching. It's okay as a fan to gently guide celebs left or right, I've seen it before. You won't be blacklisted, usually, especially if everyone is on board.
I doubt we could be so lucky but what if part of the dismissal agreement was for her to get off twittet? And her last twret was the "GN!" ?
TFW did not know who Robert spoke to but wanted to find out in and include in her lawsuit. These names would fill in those empty boxes.
Someone had convinced TFW that she could find them through fear and intimidation on the internet and if they searched blogs for true identities.
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I think this is probably true. Remember their rabid campaign against me a few months ago?
Remember how they found some photo of Robert on a college campus and said that was the smoking gun to prove that I was in cahoots with Robert?
It all makes sense now. They convinced themselves I must be a Doe, one of many I bet, then they used fear and intimidation to get me to crack, posting pictures of Robert that I think they thought I would be floored by and then maybe step forward and admit my involvement.
Except I have nothing to do with Robert, so I had to sort of just sit here and take it and wonder what exactly they wanted from me. I can't say I have a connection that doesn't exist. What wackos. They chased absolute dead ends most of the time and hurt a lot of people in the process.
I believe it was BV who convinced Kate that the people who talked to Robert were the "haters" and BV was convinced of that by the long-time fans who have fan blogs.
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She should have read his book more carefully. He was very specific that his sources for some of the most damaging information was her own family members. She should start by calling up her sister or mom or auntie if she wants to get to the bottom of that one, not find some obscure photo from a college campus and post it online to try to out someone who has nothing to do with it.
They might feel responsible for some of this is true, but don't worry..they will bury it in back of their minds(nothing else going on in there) and come out fighting again like nothing ever happened. Right now they're licking their wounds. Poor babys...Right now though the "haters' have totally taken over Kate twitter. HOW HUMILIATING..
Everyone seems to be ignoring everyone else on Twitter right now. The rabid fans tweeted some weak kudos to Kate for her brilliant move and now they and BV's minions are busy trashing the haters behind the scenes and BV has moved on. They're doing that as a way to ignore the elephant in the living room.
It's cowardly, disrespectful of her most loyal and rabid fans, and just plain pathetic.
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Let's see what KK does for her loyal fans.
1.She doesn't tell them when she makes appearances of any kind.
2. She doesn't tell them when she's on TV.
3. She grifts from them
4. She won't meet them.
I'm sure some will say she's worried about the haters calling in to her appearances and making complaints.
-But other reality star deal with this to why is KK any different?
She won't meet her fans that has asked to meet her besides Pagie. sure people can say she worried for her safety.
-But other reality star have met their fans plus Kate has a bodyguard with a security team.
She uses her fans to boast her own ego and to fight her battles.
Yeah, where IS that lawsuit against the "haters"? I can think of one fan who must be getting a bit antsy about now wondering when she's going to get her much needed monetary windfall.
. By their rabid encouragement of Kate's crap, they are hurting her.
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They are too much alike, tfw and her "fans". They will never SEE the real outcome of all this. Spin spin spin, blame blame blame. Pretzel logic, I love it!
Good theory about Hailey's admission. Also, I wonder if tfw has sifted out the real informants and is maybe starting a whole new legal campaign? I'd love for Aunt Jodi's sister to have to testify! She seems like a feisty one. I believe SHE was behind a lot of posts (nothing hateful) that spoke the TRUTH plain and simple. She called her out, just as she should have been.
...Right now though the "haters' have totally taken over Kate twitter. HOW HUMILIATING..
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Yet she STILL won't shut that damn thing down
scgirl-your welcome:)
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Amazing having "aha" moments isnt' it? scary to think there are others out there
Someone had convinced TFW that she could find them through fear and intimidation on the internet and if they searched blogs for true identities.
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Here's the thing. This is a lawsuit waiting to happen. One of these days that group is going to out, bully and harass an innocent person and all hell is going to break loose. They'll find themselves up against someone who is going to turn tables on them, hire an attorney such as Tuma, and it will knock them down. You just can't set yourself up as a vigilante group and expect everything to go your way all of the time. Something will happen -- maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but I think the tables will be turned on them. And to think that Kate called this person and the minions her "hero."
Yeah, where IS that lawsuit against the "haters"? I can think of one fan who must be getting a bit antsy about now wondering when she's going to get her much needed monetary windfall.
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Maybe we'll soon see an ad on tv. Mass tort (?thinking of a Girsham novel) "Have you made outlandish disgusting comments on line and someone called you out? Were you minding your own business hiding behind screen names threatening strangers? People you didn't know? And now they're out 'TO GET YOU'? then call 1-800.....
Well I'm happy to report that I have been successful in my own class action lawsuit. It was for some fair trade issue with the NCAA and NFL football games for game consoles. I bought one a few years ago.
I got my check last week. Five dollars and 95 cents!!! Wooo hoo!!!
I got my check last week. Five dollars and 95 cents!!! Wooo hoo!!!
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Don't go crazy now!! lol
They'll find themselves up against someone who is going to turn tables on them, hire an attorney such as Tuma, and it will knock them down. You just can't set yourself up as a vigilante group and expect everything to go your way all of the time. Something will happen -- maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but I think the tables will be turned on them.
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Amen to that! Their karma will come too. I hope to see the day
At this point in time trying to subpoena the phone carriers of the text message wouldn't provide much for the plaintiff.
If in fact they were looking for validation of the authenticity of that text message, they would have relied heavily on the testimony of the party who received it.
Here is an Interesting comment from an attorney on subpoena for text messages.
"There are a couple of issues involved in attempting to access cell phone or text records. First, most cell phone providers will require a subpoena from a court of proper jurisdiction, meaning you must have a current legal case filed with an appropriate court so that a subpoena can be issued by the court to obtain the records. It has been my experience that you have a very short window when trying to retrieve actual text messages. Most cell phone carriers only have the ability to go back about 10 days to retrieve the actual content of the text message. There are just so many text messages going back and forth that the cell phone carriers do not have the ability to store and access text messages for an indefinite period of time. With respect to call logs or text logs, meaning showing calls or texts from and to certain cell phone numbers at certain dates and times are generally available with a subpoena."
http://www.lawqa.com/qa/can-cell-phone-records-be-accessed-for-civil-matters
I believe she's pouting because none of the fans acknowledged her apology, only a "hater." It's her typical martyr routine. And she's leaving the tweet up, not deleting it like she does so many of her tweets, so everyone can see how terribly hurt she is, hoping someone will tweet her and forgive her for her mistake and tell her they miss her, then she'll return saying how difficult life can be and how, once again, she has persevered and is a stronger person now.
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Bingo, Tweet-le. You nailed it. This Twitter silence of pouting has to be a record for her, though!
Uh OH...Zippy just came out of the woodwork....Here we go...
Lol Admin! I get emails for stuff like that all the time. Mostly B&N because I'm a Nook owner and I think B&N did some shady price fixing back when Nooks first came out. I recently got a JCPenny $25 card from a class action. I can't even remember the last time I bought anything at JCP...but I'll take the $25!
If TFW is quiet, it's because she has some TV appearance somewhere, is away from her kids, and is getting pampered back into her self delusional world where she is perfect and can do no wrong.
Let's see what KK does for her loyal fans.
1.She doesn't tell them when she makes appearances of any kind.
2. She doesn't tell them when she's on TV.
3. She grifts from them
4. She won't meet them.
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Normally, I feel sorry for people who are taken advantage of, or otherwise treated badly, but in this case, TFW's diehard fans allow themselves to be treated this way, time and again. I find it hard to feel sorry for someone who purposely allows themselves to be treated poorly.
Although I don't understand it, clearly these few fans get something from their association with TFW, so that they close their eyes to her repeated rudeness.
The fans appear to stir the pot. Marie will probably be next tweeting an insult and then telling the haters not to tweet her trying to get them suspended. Ho hummmm!
Well at least one of the nonfans and now a fan are wishing Daisy a happy birthday:
Holly Upton @daisygirl2650 3h
@Kateplusmy8 Can get a retweet from you today today is my 30th birthday
Sandie @SandieBellz
Happy 30th birthday, Daisy! @daisygirl2650 @Kateplusmy8
I got my check last week. Five dollars and 95 cents!!! Wooo hoo!!!
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Well if you're feeling charitable you can go to the dollar tree and get three of KK's books. -)
Well Tuma isn't acting like Jon had to give up the goods on Robert in order to get TFW to drop the lawsuit. He's thanking all the tweeters who congratulated him.
This is her classic despicable behavior she always does. She lighted a massive fire and it's all exploded into a fireball. Her sheeple are left to defend her even though she's left them completely in the dark about what they should say or how to defend her. She's just completely left them to fight her battles with ZERO direction. An utter abandonment to the mess SHE created.
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Funny you'd say that Admin. Yesterday I was thinking how much she reminded me of an arsonist. She starts these fires and then stands back to watch them burn. Tuma threw a big bucket of water on this one which wasn't supposed to happen. She's melting. What a world.
Bullyville @BullyVille 14 Nov
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly a bully will play the role of the victim when someone bullies their asses back.
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Hey Kate re-tweets this. and Maire on of KK's die hard fans re-tweeted this hmm.
At least ONE of the crazed fans has tweeted to Milo asking where she is. I guess the others don't care.
I agree that she's on a self-imposed pouting blackout.
Well at least one of the nonfans and now a fan are wishing Daisy a happy birthday:
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Actually, several of the non-fans(I counted at least 9) have wished Holly a HB, but only one(Sandie) has extended her wishes.
For Holly's sake, I hope Kate comes out of her cocoon for a minute to wish her a HB, too. But that's probably too much to expect.
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