Well I just started from the beginning and is it weird I'm strangely moved to tears by Michael Bolton's recounting of being unable to even pay the rent with three little girls in the home? WTH, pull it together Admin.
I just watched the Jon interview. For him, it's so very clear that it's all about the kids...he gave up the fame, the money, the trips, the gifts because he saw that his kids were not emotionally developing normally. He wants them to grow up the way he grew up -- not on camera, not in the media, and without cameras in their faces.
Well done Jon! No begging for pity or free stuff. Take a lesson TFW. I don't believe for one second that TFW wont or didn't watch this. I bet she was sitting there with her phone in her hand, lawyer on speed dial so she could yell those famous words Can we sue???? Loved to hear "Jon is a single father raising 8 kids". Well done indeed.
Oprah showed a clip of when the sextuplets were 3 or so. Even back then the boys clothes were 2 sizes too big. The cuffs were way down onto their hands.
I tend to think when you win a lawsuit or things are going your way in the lawsuit, you are better served to just quietly enjoy the victory in a respectful manner and let things play out.
Does this rule not apply to Jon? We can't just pick and choose who we should apply things to. Then we get accused of being hypocrites by the hippos, Imean, fans.
...lol..Robert has made a post about our conversation about "creepyness"...
Robert, what you are doing to "out" TFW and hopefully expose the facts that needs to be exposed, especially about any child abuse..go for it!
I re-read the comment about how you dont have a life so decided to go watch and see if TFW really did go to Church that Easter day, and thought out loud and to your public , about whether or not TFW realizes she is being watched, so why does she do the stupid things she does..... and it was a bit clearer. At first it sounded like people were saying you were outside her house watching ehr all of the time.
Some people dont like your taunts, I am on the wall about it. I just hope you are not doing anything, as said earlier, that will interfere with winning the war!
As for not having a life.. I obviously have wasted too much time on here today procrastinating from the work I should have been doing around the house...
When watching, I believed every single word he said. He says he is happy, and believe him...he seems so relaxed and at ease with himself and his life. I loved the drawings of the children stuck on the wall. ''I love Dad'' childish drawings are important to him...important enough to put them on the wall.
I really liked that he did not trash his former wife. Jon hasn't forgotten that his former wife IS the mother of his children, and they don't need to hear him throw her under a bus.
Any problems he said his children may have, he attributed to being on the show for so long, and accepted his part of the blame for that.
The kids were not filmed with Jon for this interview.
Taking a step back a bit, I want to say I truly didn't remember Robert's statement in his book about "watching Kate". I now stand corrected. Thanks, folks.
That was a true" Where are they now?" episode. Jon explained where he was, what he is doing, and where he is trying to go with his life. He wished HFW all the best.
All he said about HFW was they only talk custodial stuff, and are on very different pages. He did not throw her under the bus. He did not talk about the lawsuit. He did not allow his kids to be filmed, they showed a picture.
He did say they have some things they need to work on and he felt they were a direct result of the filming and the things they have received. THAT might have been a plug that they are not all okay and the filming was not all that HFW makes it to be.
Should he have said that? Typically I would say NO, but right now I beleive Jon is trying to get the message out there that filming of kids on a reality TV show is NOT OKAY!! The damage has been done and t his message needs to get out to stop other people and TV power houses from continuing to do this!!
"Tap that ass" is offensive no matter where you are from. Using it for a married man is not the same as referring to livestock. I've only heard the term used by rappers and thugs.
Kate keeps saying they should film again. Jon has every right to say that that filming she wants so bad had very negative consequences for them. Finally someone answers her crap about filming again. Someone who actually knows.
Jon seemed very content and at peace. I liked the clip of Kate sitting there stroking Golden Child Hannah's hair while Jon dealt with the kids who were misbehaving. Funny how TFW popped up on Twitter just 30 minutes or so before Jon's segment aired. Classic deflection there. Pay no attention to that guy on Oprah! I just read Robert Hoffman's new posts. I had to laugh at that Sheeple claiming that Dana Hoffman was a spurned lover of Jon's. Just like their claims that TFW spurned Robert. Robert threw the sheep into a tizzy, and they will grasp at any straw to deflect, just like TFW. He must love the fact that he and Dana both turned their delusional little world upside down. And for what it's worth, he is my hero, too.
his kids were not emotionally developing normally.
*sigh* Kids have to go to school in the morning, Jon.
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...and how many third graders do you suppose were sitting by their televisions at 10:10 p.m., eating popcorn, waiting with baited breath just to see Jon Gosselin on a 10-minute interview?
He did say they have some things they need to work on and he felt they were a direct result of the filming and the things they have received. THAT might have been a plug that they are not all okay and the filming was not all that HFW makes it to be.
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That would make for dissension within the konpound now wouldn't it? I can see Kate siding with the kids who said they'd like to be filmed again and pitching them against the ones who don't want to have the cameras around anymore. If those walls could talk.
I wish Kate could see how her family has been shattered by the entire reality tv mess and she'd realize like Jon has that it isn't the be-all end-all to their survival.
Admim., I just want to apologize if I have caused any trouble on your blog, with my strong opinion. I am usually better behaved. I won't do it again. As soon as the picture of Jon came on, I started bawling. I just want the best for him and his children, he is such an obvious loving dad. Not all kids have dads like him.
Mickey said... "I hope you can understand that where I live, who I am friends with and who I have worked with, "taping that ass" is not only a common saying but is socially acceptable."
++++++++++ "Taping that ass"? Does one use duct tape for that process? I suppose that could be useful in keeping the stick from falling out. And IMO, it's not nearly as offensive as "tapping that ass"...
"Tap that ass" is something that I just heard a couple of weeks ago when I was taking my mandatory sexual harassment and rape prevention training. I'm a Jersey girl and I find it offensive.
I haven't seen Jon's interview yet but I did TiVo it. Although we don't turn our clocks back it does play havoc with the times that different shows come on since I have an East Coast feed. As far as TFW watching, she tweeted the following.
@Kateplusmy8: Super fun day today!SO glad all my kids were home w me this weekend...ate lots of H candy, movie night&relaxed! Now it's back to school..GN!
Maybe if she repeats the above tweet over and over it will be so.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't find anything wrong with Robert's posts. TFW didn't find anything wrong with BV's tweets and even hailed him as her hero. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Jon explained in the dads interview what the children tell him bears no resemblance to the thoughts and desires Kate says they have. I thought he meant custody time but maybe he meant filming.
"Taping that ass"? Does one use duct tape for that process? I suppose that could be useful in keeping the stick from falling out. And IMO, it's not nearly as offensive as "tapping that ass"...
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lol!! I saw that and was just about to ask the same thing! I thought maybe painter's tape would be preferable. At least it would be colorful!
We have wondered for awhile now what it would take for Jon to finally speak up. Apparently a ridiculous lawsuit was the stick that poked the sleeping bear. Good job, Jon, for speaking honestly, minus the umms, and for not making vague comments about your ex that would have thrown her under the bus. Best wishes for a normal life for you and your children.
I was so happy to see that when the kids visit Jon's house it looks like a loving, fun, and relaxed environment. I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house. The only thing i recall seeing are all of those chore charts. I was also pleased to see that Jon looks genuinely happy with where his life has taken him. He doesn't sit there and put on the poor me act begging for a show or any kind of freebies he can grift. He looks well and happy and that is in my opinion the absolute best revenge.
I wish Kate could see how her family has been shattered by the entire reality tv mess and she'd realize like Jon has that it isn't the be-all end-all to their survival.
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But for Kate, it's not about the kids or the family. It's about HER. The kids are her meal ticket, and the end justifies the means.
I watched the interview and thought Jon comported himself well. I felt some unease when he mentioned the emotional development issues...I'm not sure that was necessary for the piece. As I say, I felt uneasy...I've always liked Jon, thought he was a terrific father and husband. I remember when he offed to iron for TFW on date night; of course, she thought he had better things to do and excoriated him as usual. Imagine! Ironing! A
Good job, Jon, for speaking honestly, minus the umms, and for not making vague comments about your ex that would have thrown her under the bus. Best wishes for a normal life for you and your children.
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No ums, rolling the eyes, pursing the lips, pumping the leg, croc tears...and no speaking "in code."
I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house.
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Nope. But I'll bet the farm there will be if she ever gets another interview at the garrison I mean the konpound I mean the house where she is now presiding.
I was so happy to see that when the kids visit Jon's house it looks like a loving, fun, and relaxed environment. I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house. *******************************
No you don't see that at Kate's house. I think this was intrusive, personally. Now they're private, what happens at dad's stays at dad's is public. Wonderful.
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.
He even said that he wished TFW well. Too bad she doesn't say the same about him....and demand that her twitter people never say anything bad about him on her timeline. She oughtta block anyone who says *anything* about Jon. Her twitter should be about her and no one else.
I don't get the OWN network, so I am unfamiliar with the format of the show Jon was on tonight. I imagine the video of it will be available soon.
I do wonder what influence Jon still has over the children being filmed in the future. Is he willing to step aside if the majority of the kids are in favour of being on television again? I felt TFW unilaterally put them on CWS without prior consultation with Jon. Did he address his position, legal or otherwise, of the children being put back on television by their mother in a special or a series?
Midnight Sun said... 35 ''No you don't see that at Kate's house. I think this was intrusive, personally. Now they're private, what happens at dad's stays at dad's is public. Wonderful.
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Good grief! I had a whole lot more to say about your comments, but I deleted them and will just stick with GOOD GRIEF!
Wow. That was enlightening. So things aren't all happyhappy joyjoy over at the Kompound, huh Kate?
Jon made it crystal clear how damaged his kids are. How could they not be, after all, with a mother like Kate and growing up on a reality show.
I wonder if Kate thinks continuing filming is the answer to the kids' problems? You know, throw more STUFF at them.*shudder* I can't imagine what co-parenting would be like with her. Those poor dears. :( They really never had a chance, did they? I hope they never see this interview. Like, EVER.
Completely groundless speculation: in prior thread there was speculation that TFMJG got bad news late lady week so was twittering rainbows, etc. What if she called Laverne and Shirley to stop the broadcast or ask of they could sue, and was told that because she is a client of razzle dazzle that Laverne and Shirley can no longer take her calls? Like I said, groundless speculation. Hmmm, what else can I speculate about?
Oh yes, SIGH! -Geez! can we not just take this as a man who is possibly giving a warning to other parents? Can it not be advice? Can we not see it as a lesson? Don't put your kids on tv, it's NOT worth it!
Should he have said that? Typically I would say NO, but right now I beleive Jon is trying to get the message out there that filming of kids on a reality TV show is NOT OKAY!! The damage has been done and t his message needs to get out to stop other people and TV power houses from continuing to do this!! ********************************************************************************
Exactly! Learn from your mistakes and enlighten others. It was to explain the downfalls of tv. It affected his children negatively. He didn't say they were brats, that they exhausted him, that they were expensive to raise, that they fought all the time...and by all means DON'T mention they were behind developmentally, right? sigh...
Well worded, Canadian Mom. This^. Let us not forget Kate's journal, as Auntie Ann said. Kate's capable of anything. ********************************************************************************** So just back down then? Don't enrage the beast? That's exactly how this all got to this point. Enough is enough! She beat those toddlers BECAUSE everyone cowered under her.
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I didn't agree that Jon should walk on eggshells around Kate. Quite the opposite. I hope the kids follow his lead.
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Just bringing this from the last thread, but I don't think I was quoting your post Auntie Ann.
I just love that picture above of Jon. His face beams happiness. It even shows in his eyes. Nothing like fake smile Kate and her dead eyes. I wish I could have seen the show. (I don't have dvr and had to work 12 hr shift overnight.) Maybe someday it will be reran.
I just think she was angry Jon got an interview. She probably tried to bag one herself and was turned down. Makes sense to me.
I have no problem with the kids' drawings shown on the wall. That has nothing to do with privacy. Kids love to see how proud their parents are by displaying artwork. Parents always put that stuff on fridges for everyone to see , but he has to put stuff on the walls too because there are so many kids. That comment up thread was silly.
We all saw what Jon was talking about with manners,etc. when the kids interacted with Clay, in the Time to Organize and RV episodes. And it's not bashing the kids, it is totally TFW's (non)parenting style that caused it (along with the constant filming). How many times have we heard her say that she just lets the kids work things out, she doesn't get involved. A parent HAS to get involved to facilitate "working things out". There have to be guidelines on how to treat each other. In the RV episode when Jamie tried to talk to TFW about an issue she was told to "control Clay".
Check out this clip starting at 4:50 or so. Oh, and part 3 shows an incredible amount of nastiness by TFW towards that poor woman.
Perhaps after Twat Swap some of the kids told Jon how much they hated being filmed and having a stranger pretend to be their mother. If so, I wonder if his divorce attorney or a family attorney could deny Kate from using those kids in filming. They are certainly old enough to speak privately with a judge and state their concerns. Of course, I would be concerned about repercussions on those children by Kate. Things haven't worked out according to her grand scheming (filming the kids for years and years). Maybe that's why she has been hinting so much lately about how talented Mady is. The pressure must be intense.
@Kateplusmy8: Super fun day today!SO glad all my kids were home w me this weekend...ate lots of H candy, movie night&relaxed! Now it's back to school..GN! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How'd the pumpkin carving go?
Re: Jon saying the kids are developmentally delayed. What a difference in attitude between Jon and Kate . Jon is worried and concerned about it and I'm sure has talked to the school and maybe counselors, whereas Kate ENCOURAGES it. Look at all the dumb tweets she puts out there that make her kids sound like they're toddlers.
But...he WAS watching. He stood outside her fence and did just that. It's not metaphorical. It's based on his physical presence at the edge of her property.
Are you honestly saying that if someone who you know has picked through your trash and snapped pictures through your fence directed that comment at YOU, you wouldn't be freaked out by it? _________
As a private citizen, yes, I would be creeped out.
I'd also be creeped out by paparazzi snapping pics of me at my local gas station or super market or my kids' bus stop. I'd be creeped out that complete strangers on Twitter ask to see pictures of my kids and want to know what I'm doing, where I'm going, and what I'm having for dinner.
All of that would creep me out because I chose to be a mediocre person, with mediocre kids, doing a mediocre job, making mediocre money.
Kate made herself a public figure (IMO actually a public spectacle, but I digress.) As a public figure/quasi-celebrity, she gives up some of the privacy expectation afforded to private citizens.
What's that old saying? Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it ... or something like that. It's always a two-sided coin. You have to give up something to get something else.
Apparently to Kate, privacy is not too dear a price to pay for publicity - and with publicity, the negative comes with the positive.
Off to my mediocre job :-) Happy Monday everyone! Go Colts!
An observation....what seemed to distress him now and at the time of the divorce was that his children weren't growing up the way he grew up. Says a lot about how positively he must view his childhood years.
Whereas it seems to be of the utmost importance to TFW that the kids NOT grow up the way she did.
You know...living under a bridge, eating out of garbage cans, walking 10 miles to school, uphill both ways, in 3 feet of snow, doing homework by a single candle for all of them, with one piece of charcoal, rags for clothes, newspapers for shoes, sleeping on a piece of cardboard, beatings for no reason, abusive parents and siblings. And the worst of it? She never got to travel *anywhere*.
I thought Jon's interview was good. Jon was given a couple of minutes to speak for himself after years of TFW casting a negative light on him. He came across as a pragmatic individual who has his children's best interests at heart. In addition, he was delivering a message about the negative impact of children being put in the pressure cooker of "reality" tv. He showed that he can speak very well when given the chance to do so without being mocked.
I wish I could have seen the show. (I don't have dvr and had to work 12 hr shift overnight.) --------------------------------- Some Comcast customers can pull it up on the On Demand listings.
Midnight Sun said... 35 ''No you don't see that at Kate's house. I think this was intrusive, personally. Now they're private, what happens at dad's stays at dad's is public. Wonderful.
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.'' *********************************************************************************
What exactly did he divulge about their lives that is sooo private? What did he expose? What secrets did he share? He has a story to tell, heed my warning-doing reality tv comes at a price. The kids paid dearly, he has paid dearly. He didn't betray the kids. He's showing us what has happened to his life and his kids' lives due to the choice HE and tfw made to put those kids on tv. So we saw their artwork, we saw the cabin, we saw their clothes...we saw that he is making every effort to keep those kids grounded and give them a normal childhood. That they don't need the "mcmansion" and the trips, and the freebies etc. We all came here because of concern for the kids? This interview just reinforced to me that he is doing what we all want him to do. There-done. We now know for a fact that he is trying and we can put it to rest.
I don't have a problem with Jon saying that the kids emotional development was detrimentally affected because of the filming and I really doubt that any kids from their school were watching the program. Doubt that many of their parents were either. He is not on the radar except in places like this blog. In my opinion, the kids will thank him later for removing them from the situation of filming and speaking up to let other parents know how detrimental it is for children. Who else can say it better than a parent who has experienced it? It is no different than a parent speaking out about a child who has autism to help other parents cope. It is not to hurt the child, but to help other parents deal with their children and in turn help those children.
Also "tapping that ass" is very offensive and vulgar. If someone said that about me or my daughter, I would be pretty offended and would think that person who said it is a low class moron with no respect for women.
I especially like Oprah's intro for him. No innuendo about being a deadbeat, not being present for his kids etc.. just how he's doing raising his kids as a 'SINGLE' father. Didn't ask about his love life, girlfriend, Ed Hardy etc...he was given the opportunity to be HIMSELF. Nothingn salacious or "tabloidy"
Jon's TV demeanor is so different than TFW's. Jon is self confident and he is who he is and if you don't like him, eh, so be it, he doesn't care because he knows who he is and he's a good person. TFW on the other hand, comes across as very nervous, no confidence, because she wants so very, very much to be loved by the interviewee and to be accepted. She knows she's not a likable person and it comes across in her interviews. She could take lessons from Jon.
I think that if you are a person who is inclined to think well of Jon, you will think it was a good interview. You might even wish that his segment lasted longer.
If you are a person who feels that Jon shouldn't be given so much credit for altering his course of life, you will find fault with some of the information he shared.
I thought he seemed introspective about the past and settled in the present.
I did not hear any anger oozing from between his words. He used phrases like "revenue stream" and spoke a level above any Kate response.
I find it very easy to believe that they are on totally different pages about everything.
Jon said he lives on 30 acres of woods, surrounded by even more woods. We know dirt roads lead to his cabin. What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time? I also can see why he arms himself, as he really is isolated out there..
Sorry, I'm a little behind, but did this Mickey commenter refer to Robert as wanting to tape or tap TFW's ass? Either one sounds disgusting, but was the tape use referring to the stick up TFW's ass so it couldn't fall out?
I'm not against Jon by any means; I think he is the far better parent. I was disturbed that he mentioned the kids have so many social problems. I felt sad for him and the children.I just wish he put his foot down sooner about the show. I feel he did enable Kate.
. What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time? I also can see why he arms himself, as he really is isolated out there..
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Well, this is how much of rural America lives. In my neck of the woods growing up you didn't wait for the city to plow you out or you'd be waiting days. You went over to Home Depot and bought your own snow plow and did it yourself. Many people also attach a plow to the front of their trunk. It's doable and happens every winter across the north.
Terri said... 30 I was so happy to see that when the kids visit Jon's house it looks like a loving, fun, and relaxed environment. I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house ***************** Nope, at TFW's house all their projects and pictures go straight in the trash.
I understand what Jon was saying about the kids not developing normally due to TV. They were being fed a warped view of reality, and that's not healthy. They were given everything, made into media spectacles, and how could they figure out how the world really works with all that going on? These are kids who, at age 7, said they wanted servants, were never held accountable for their behavior, bullied others. Even now, in Kate Couric's brief clip--it was only a few minutes, but Cara and Collin seemed miserable, many of them were fighting, Hannah was spitting on a sibling. And their mother, as always, was oblivious. They only needed to get a few minutes of usable footage, and that's all they could get? There are serious problems in that house, no question. If the kids continue in reality TV until adulthood, as TFW desires, what happens then? Spending their entire lives treated like little rock stars, and then what? It wouldn't continue into their adult years, and they wouldn't know how to cope with normal "mediocre" lives. Jon is right, they needed to get off of TV and learn how to be normal. He was making an observation about reality TV's affect on kids that really needed to be said.
In my opinion, the kids will thank him later for removing them from the situation of filming and speaking up to let other parents know how detrimental it is for children. Who else can say it better than a parent who has experienced it? It is no different than a parent speaking out about a child who has autism to help other parents cope. It is not to hurt the child, but to help other parents deal with their children and in turn help those children.
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100% agree especially the analogy to autism or anything that affects your child. Jon's children will someday want to know what he did to help them, and not only will he be able to say Dad took you off T.V., but he will also be able to say Dad warned others. To a grown child who may be bitter and resentful about their childhood, knowing their story warned others may be of tremendous comfort. He has to think about what he will say to them in 10 years. The choices he makes today are important when that day comes.
An observation....what seemed to distress him now and at the time of the divorce was that his children weren't growing up the way he grew up. Says a lot about how positively he must view his childhood years.
Whereas it seems to be of the utmost importance to TFW that the kids NOT grow up the way she did.
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Yes, great observation. And yet I've always gotten the feeling that both Jon and Kate in actuality grew up very similarly. I never heard that Jon got a ton of trips or lavish opportunities. He sounds like a local boy involved in local activities like soccer and having an all-American lifestyle.
Jon and Kate clearly have fundamental differences in values. This marriage was destined to fail especially when it came to making the decisions that need to be made for the kids. If it wasn't filming they spat over, it would have been something else. This is a real shame. Child rearing and the kind of lifestyle each parent wants for the kids is an important pre-marriage discussion.
If one parent says I want them to have everything on a "golden" platter, you might ask what they mean by that and see whether that comports with what you want. If one parent says I just want them to grow up like I did, ask what that means exactly. I think they were too young and immature.
@Kateplusmy8: Super fun day today!SO glad all my kids were home w me this weekend
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Deflection. She made it seem like she was pissed that the change in plans dumped the kids on her this weekend. Oops, now she has to put it out there how glad she was this worked out. What a change in tune. She must have read somewhere that she was sounding pissed about Jon in L.A.
What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time? I also can see why he arms himself, as he really is isolated out there.. ***********************************************************************
Like anyone else who lives in similar place. His situation is not unique,many people choose to live in the woods. You have a contract with a plowing company or self employed person with a plow on their truck.
Tomorrow, next year, when they're 40....they'll see it someday. Sadly. They'll see it all someday. Both their mother's and father's interviews.
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Maybe. I mean I've been around adult kids of celebrities and they don't seem to have any interest in digging up old interviews given by their parents that they were in, or old magazine covers, or a couple of them had cameos in films, or whatever. They are in their 20's and 30's and they just want to live their lives now, they don't CARE. Do most children constantly ask what their parents said about then when they were 10? No. Even if they do have an unusual interest and dig it up 10 years from now, as I said, they may feel relieved that some good came out of what they went through in the form of dire warnings to others.
I think if they are damaged from filming Jon has a moral obligation to warn others. And for all we know he discussed this with his children and why he felt it was important to share their story. They are well old enough to have such discussions. What his kids WILL ask is what did you do, Dad? Well, this is what he did.
I have noticed on the clips from CWS and KC that the kids do seem a bit snooty if not rude and disrespectful. However with a little attention that facade breaks down. They have always fought amongst themselves, physically and verbally.TFW chooses to ignore it. I hope they behave better at school- if they don't on camera, who knows...? With the mother they have as an example of how to talk to & treat others and behave in private as well as public, it's no wonder.I don't think it's just from being on the show.
Winsomeone, TFW is isolated on lots of land too. And that big, long driveway of hers...I wonder who digs her out in the winter?
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Landscaping services often have snow plowing services as well. It's often written into home maintenance contracts. A few sweeps and they're done. Independent snow removal services are all over the place, and with a driveway like that to plow, it might be thirty dollars or so to open it up. It's not that expensive. We've been lucky the past few winters. There really wasn't anything to plow. In fact, I didn't have the shovel out last winter -- just some sweeps with the broom a few times. Now watch us really get hit this year!
I understand what Jon was saying about the kids not developing normally due to TV. ********************************************************** And not only that, but maybe they couldn't fit in any type of therapy or counseling due to the contracts. When you're galavanting hither tither and yon, where are you going to squeeze in a weekly session?
Another thing is maybe he is trying to reach out to Kate to get her to cooperate with helping them. Maybe she has ignored his warnings that the children are damaged, and ignored his requests that she stop pursuing filming and get them help.
So spilling the beans on her and making it public the kids are damaged is his way of forcing her hand. He may spill even more if she doesn't wake up.
I kind of had to chuckle at that comment, then feel a bit offended. I guess city slickers don't realize it but a huge portion of America lives like this. We don't sit in our homes every time it snows saying oh dear I hope I get dug out by next week. You take care of it yourself, or have friends and family lined up to help. I liked growing up like this. It fostered a can-do attitude and an idea that I could not and should not rely on government for help, I can and should just do it myself. I'm perfectly capable and don't "need" the things that people have been conditioned to think they "need" from the government. Snow removal from the government is a luxury and convenience, not a need.
Also "tapping that ass" is very offensive and vulgar. If someone said that about me or my daughter, I would be pretty offended and would think that person who said it is a low class moron with no respect for women.
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I can hear guys in a bar, half loaded, making remarks about a woman they'd like to take home for a one-night stand, but for any woman to say it is just really bizarre (and crude).
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I agree, most kids don't. But I have a feeling a few of those kids will be seeking therapy as adults and I'm sure these questions will come up. What I think will work to the benefit of "these" adult children (with a narcissist mother) is that they WILL have proof positive evidence of gaslighting, parental alienation, mental abuse, physical abuse, lying, deceiving, twisting their words and thoughts etc...she is the master of rewriting history. At least they can say "Nuh-uh! Just watch this interview, or this episode" And they can do the same for their dad.
Maybe she has ignored his warnings that the children are damaged, and ignored his requests that she stop pursuing filming and get them help. ****************************************************************
Maybe she just doesn't give a $#%@? Whoever posted a little while back about her hating any attention given to those kids? Same thing here.
I kind of had to chuckle at that comment, then feel a bit offended. I guess city slickers don't realize it but a huge portion of America lives like this. We don't sit in our homes every time it snows saying oh dear I hope I get dug out by next week. You take care of it yourself, or have friends and family lined up to help. I liked growing up like this. It fostered a can-do attitude and an idea that I could not and should not rely on government for help, I can and should just do it myself. I'm perfectly capable and don't "need" the things that people have been conditioned to think they "need" from the government. Snow removal from the government is a luxury and convenience, not a need. ****************************************************************************
That's the point I was making, I didn't mean to offend? He just "does" get out, like ALL people who live on rural property.
Admin, I think you bring up a good point that most people don't go back and ask their parents about things when they were 10 because most already remember that period of their lives.
I'm sure the kids have already asked Jon why he doesn't want them on tv like Mommy does. He's probably already shared his reasons with them, in a way they can understand. And they understand a lot, given that they are 9 now. They are old enough to observe the differences between their dad and mom and to comment on and question those differences.
Not only is it because they remember it but I think like these kids of celebrities that being on T.V. or their parent on T.V. talking about them is definitely not a novelty. It happens all the time. It's normal to them and rather boring.
It was funny, two of these kids once did cameos on a short lived Nickelodeon show. I watched it and then saw them a few days later and said oh my gosh guys you were great on there what did you think? Their response? Oh that aired the other day? We didn't see it. Uh, did anyone DVR it? Nope? Oh well.
I couldn't believe it, then I realized number one they were there so they didn't really need to see it again, and number two for them it just didn't have the same magic or novelty that it did for me.
This stuff isn't a novelty for them, they've been on T.V. many times. Jon's interview is just one of many and the Gosselins have been on T.V. since they were babies. I really doubt they find any of this interesting or will ever find it interesting. It's like Alison Arngrim famously said, because an adult would find it "fun" to be on T.V. they assume a child would feel the same.
I get the sense from them they are more interested in normal kid stuff, like any kid. Not on cataloguing every interview mom or dad ever give.
Now, I do think they will ask and may be asking already about their time on reality T.V.. I think they are old enough now to start having discussions. And part of that discussion may very well be Dad wants to talk to others about our experience on reality T.V. and the good and the bad parts, let's talk about how you feel about that. For all we know they find comfort in that and have no issue with it. They are not little kids any more who are not emotionally ready to give their input.
And yet I've always gotten the feeling that both Jon and Kate in actuality grew up very similarly.
I always had that impression, too. Or at least similar financial backgrounds. Although it's starting to appear that that the atmosphere in their two childhood homes were perhaps vastly different.
One seems like it was probably loving and nurturing...the other maybe not so much.
TFW *says* that she wants Jon's children to have the childhood she didn't have, but yet she is giving them the childhood she *did* have, the one she so desperately wants to get away from. Or at least the childhood she thought she had, which might be vastly different than reality.
Maybe she was living in an alternate reality even back then.
"Yes, they got to travel the world, and yes, they got these fabulous things, and yes, they have trust funds, and they're taken care of educationally. Great," he continued. "But developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people, and they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what's right and what's wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV."
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I'm glad they have trust funds but Jon makes a good point what is the point of that if you are having difficulties in your life with other people?
I'm afraid he may be giving reality T.V. a bit too much credit. We know how Kate feels about wants and needs and I'm sure she has dramatically influenced how they perceive things like that, as well as how to treat people. A real shame.
I just love what he says here. How can you understand a want from a need when reality T.V. just dumped all these freebies on you without having to EARN them, and your mother just expects that is to continue without having to EARN it like everyone else? How dysfunctional, no wonder it distorted their world. I hope he can get them the help they need.
Here's another difference between Jon and Kate. Kate always says reality T.V. is good but never explains SPECIFICALLY why it is good or has any answer for all the criticism or is willing to make any reasonable concessions while still sticking to her view.
Jon in contrast admits some of the high points like the money and trips, but then goes into specific examples of why it's messed them up in terms of their interaction and perceptions. His argument is far and away much stronger because of the reasonable concessions and specific examples. He can talk circles around Kate in debate.
I have noticed on the clips from CWS and KC that the kids do seem a bit snooty if not rude and disrespectful. However with a little attention that facade breaks down. .... With the mother they have as an example of how to talk to & treat others and behave in private as well as public, it's no wonder.I don't think it's just from being on the show.
I thought the same thing, that some of the kids seemed kind of snooty. And I also didn't think it was all from being on TV, I thought it was more from the behavior modeled for them by their mother.
Whereas Jon doesn't seem to have the snooty gene. I can imagine that that has caused a lot of conflict between Jon and TFW. He has no concept of why you would treat others like that, and she has no concept of why you wouldn't.
She drank the koolaid, and only wants more. He said the price of the koolaid is too high, I'm done with it.
"Winsomeone, TFW is isolated on lots of land too. And that big, long driveway of hers...I wonder who digs her out in the winter? "
Well, TFW is a millionaire, and can afford to hire someone to dig her out. Jon with waiter's wages, not so much I would think? Must be a hardship in the winter?
Mel, I tend to believe Kate's dad was strict. Whether that crossed the line to abuse I really don't know. I also think she was probably a real pill of a kid and teen, from what we've heard. If she is a narcissist, most likely she was like that as a child as well. They may have felt they HAD to be so strict with her because of her being out of control. They may have been in turmoil over he and her personality. They may have seen the personality traits but may not have known what to call it--they just knew it was not good. There are two sides to every story.
I think it's possible because the household was strict Kate stated to see her entire childhood as negative. Instead of learning to be happy with what she had and with local trips and events and friends and a nice school, instead of rushing off to Disney World every summer, she just got more resentful and full of contempt. Whereas another child might be perfectly happy and content with that kind of childhood. That's what she should really write a book about if she wants to sell books. She should write about her childhood honestly. It would be fascinating to see the progression of a narcissist from babyhood and what may or may not have influenced that.
Well, TFW is a millionaire, and can afford to hire someone to dig her out. Jon with waiter's wages, not so much I would think? Must be a hardship in the winter?
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If you buy a plow at Home Depot in the spring after winter season, you can usually get a great deal. I think ours was only a couple hundred bucks. I grew up in a very blue collar community and everyone had a plow. We did just fine. It's a built in expense. On the flip side, properties and other things are often much cheaper in rural areas. Sometimes water is free. You make up for minimal plowing expenses there. Some people even just made due with a 4.99 shovel. If you live in an area that only gets a really bad storm a few times a year, it's not that much of a hardship. Probably will take a couple hours but then it's cleared and you're good to go. The vast majority of snowfall in PA doesn't require a single shovel. You can just drive right over it. They don't usually get the kind of storms people farther north near the lakes get.
We saw them have trouble talking with people in Wife Swap. The boys especially were like silent robots.
I wonder if TFW tweets about their busy social life is her overcompensating.
Oh and if you go topiary 3 I think of the clip I posted you can see her in all her royal bitchiness. Eye rolling dismissive cold meanness. Clips like that are what I formed my opinion of her from. The organization lady said the kids could come down and learn to dress themselves and she said you have no idea how long it takes to dress 8 kids to go out in the winter. first of all the twins were like 10 so....and secondly it would take 1/8 the time if they all got dressed at once instead of one at a time. But then she couldn't be a marty.
@Kateplusmy8: Super fun day today!SO glad all my kids were home w me this weekend...ate lots of H candy, movie night&relaxed! Now it's back to school..GN! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh, of course, it was all SUPER fun. SUPER. And yes, how did that pumpkin carving go? Pretty sure no one was interested.
Jon did not throw his kids under a bus. His point was that tv filming had caused some problems with emotional development, and unlike his ex, he does not need to film that for the world to see. TFW did in the Katie Couric interview - the kids are not happy, squabble with each other, stuff like that. So it's wrong to say that - I see it as a comment about filming more than an indictment of his children. They are lucky to have at least one parent who understands normal. And while it is certainly none of my business, occasionally I wonder just when Jon woke and realized who he had married? TLC only hurried that inevitable split along.
And if the rags are picking up pieces of his interview and publishing them, it's going to be several more days of steaming mad on the Kompound. No one is going to want her rebuttal, because Jon's 10 whole minutes is THE rebuttal to several years of her outrageous crap. Enjoy the day, Kate. You too, Milo.
I wonder if at this point public school might be a better option for them especially when the younger kids hit middle school and when the twins hit high school--a good time to transition when everyone is transitioning. Maybe it would be better for them to be around kids of a more average socio-economic level. There is nothing wrong with their school but I think it's hard to teach kids about wants and needs when all the kids around them are doing ski trips and trips to Florida and things of that nature and iPhones and iPads and all that jazz. If that's not a lifestyle this family can afford anymore aren't they just keeping up with the Joneses at this point?
They can't continue to live the lifestyle of the rich kids. Unless a show magically appears, the money will run out. It seems kind of cruel to keep them in an environment when they can't really be a part of it and socially I don't know if it's helping them to get out of this sort of entitled attitude they seem to have. Again, nothing wrong with their school and I'm sure most kids there are just fine, I just think it's probably not the best place to shed entitlement issues.
I saw the interview and he prefaced the part about the kids having to make adjustments to their attitudes, habits, etc., by alluding to the fact that ALL kids have these issues as they mature, but the G8's are magnified by the fact that they are famous. He wasn't just picking on his own kids, or in the fans' eyes, picking on Kate. He didn't talk about the lawsuit, he didn't talk about Kate's life (even though several pictures of her on TV were shown), here merely said they have different parenting styles, wishes they had a different relationship, and wished her well in all she does. He did say that he is trying to find work in IT but is prevented because of the negative press. He was relatable and seems very content in life.
About the art - I was looking for the clip where the kids were making art for the family or play room and Kate picked the colors (so the color scheme would match the furnishings/paint) and if the kids tried to deviate, she got upset. I think those were framed. I couldn't find it but found this. I sort of get why you can't keep everything, but tossing the pile in the trash and then saying the perfect place!' really rubs me wrong. Not that it matters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUIsuXI_3Uc
I also live in a very rural area. We hire someone to plow our driveway. $50 a pop. It's really not a big deal to the people who live in those areas, they are used to it. If you don't have your own plow, you can hire it done reasonably.
Jon in contrast admits some of the high points like the money and trips, but then goes into specific examples of why it's messed them up in terms of their interaction and perceptions. His argument is far and away much stronger because of the reasonable concessions and specific examples. *******************************************************************
I especially liked the point he made about not wanting the divorce to be filmed. Can you imagine the closed door meetings about that? I can't even fathom what was coming out of her mouth to try and sway (force) him to keep the sham going.
Jon in contrast admits some of the high points like the money and trips,
Which were good for the adults. Probably not so much for the kids, especially the younger ones. They're not even going to remember them.
And they didn't really get to have any fun on them anyway. Who takes their kids to the Crayola factory and then doesn't let them color. Who DOES that? Who takes their kids to make cupcakes for their birthday and then doesn't let them be eaten? Who takes their kids for ice cream and then doesn't let the kids run around on the grass?
It wasn't oh, let's enjoy this awesome thing we're getting to do together. It was hurry up, get to the next place, don't get dirty, don't let people 'look' at you, smile pretty for the camera, stand up straight, sit down, look left, look right, too bad if you're not interested in whatever, we're doin' it. All of us. Right now.
Too bad if Sarah Palin's dad is trying to show you a good time, and you're having a fabulous time with her family. I'm not having a good time, so we're all leaving. Right now.
High school boys used to make a killing going around plowing driveways. They loved the opportunity. It was easy to line up a whole host of clients.
We would also get extra chore money if we shoveled everything off. It was good for us. Now that I live in a warm client, I'm actually pretty impressed with how we handled the snow. You just deal with it, get it done and move on, like you would deal with anything. Unless it's some major, major storm, you don't even think about it. I think I only have two or three storms that stick in my memory, one being that bad ice storm that was a winter wonderland but shut down school and everything for over a week. The rest is all just normal to me.
I didn't see the interview. Someone up thread used the term "developmentally delayed." Were those Jon's words, and also someone mentioned "so many social problems." Again, were those Jon's words or are the words people's interpretations of what Jon said?
" If you buy a plow at Home Depot in the spring after winter season, you can usually get a great deal. I think ours was only a couple hundred bucks. I grew up in a very blue collar community and everyone had a plow. We did just fine. It's a built in expense. On the flip side, properties and other things are often much cheaper in rural areas. Sometimes water is free. You make up for minimal plowing expenses there. Some people even just made due with a 4.99 shovel. If you live in an area that only gets a really bad storm a few times a year, it's not that much of a hardship. Probably will take a couple hours but then it's cleared and you're good to go. The vast majority of snowfall in PA doesn't require a single shovel. You can just drive right over it. They don't usually get the kind of storms people farther north near the lakes get. "
I live near Lake Erie, so guess I was thinking about the snow we get dumped onto us..not the past couple of winters though. Also, in the gun incident articles, it made it sound like there were miles of dirt roads to get to his house? Maybe he's not so far from the main roads in reality? Plus waiters most likely make $8 an hour or less..my niece does anyway, and not much left over for extras of any sort.
I've altered my view on Jon's comments regarding their socialization, or lack, therof. His words came from a place of concern and love, as many of you pointed out here. He was speaking honestly, with no drama, of how their lives have been impacted, both my television and, by extension TFW. I know, too, that if any of the kids were to ask him what he meant, he would take the time to explain, with compassion and love.
I sort of get why you can't keep everything, but tossing the pile in the trash and then saying the perfect place!' really rubs me wrong. Not that it matters. *****************************************************
Exactly FRP. I think we all get that you can't keep it all. But she takes pleasure in being nasty to them. They're her punchline. She thinks she's funny at their expense.
And as far as the money goes, so what. Most young people can't handle trust funds anyway. Some of them I'm sure will probably not be able to handle it and blow it all before they're 25.
If they're speaking of college, you set up 529 accounts the day they are born and from that day on ask anyone who ever wants to give them something to contribute to that. In 18 years in an aggressive portfolio they'll have a nice little nest egg, especially if they got in when stocks were on sale in the recession. Beyond that, Stafford and PLUS loans have rock bottom interest rates, there are numerous grants to be had for large families, and they can go to their excellent state school system which is highly subsidized. Cara is in a unique sport, she might even be able to get a scholarship and play lacrosse. Other kids could get academic scholarships. College would have been fine without the reality show. Just fine. Heck it might have even taught the kids a little bit about saving and how to make what seems like a daunting situation (eight kids) work anyway. The irony is having more kids probably will put them in a better situation for college than less kids.
I live near Lake Erie, so guess I was thinking about the snow we get dumped onto us..not the past couple of winters though.
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Well that's lake effect snow. That's a different ballgame. Nonetheless hundreds of thousands of people near the Great Lakes live in rural areas and make it work. They live in southern PA, which doesn't even begin to touch the kind of snow the lake areas get. When I moved there I was shocked at how little snow they got. Truly in shock. I had no idea other areas in the north did get the kind of snow I grew up with. I kept waiting for "winter" and when spring came I was thinking, that's IT???
I'm sure Jon would not move to an area in which he was not perfectly capable of digging himself out from should a big storm hit once in awhile. I don't think we need to worry.
"Well that's lake effect snow. That's a different ballgame. Nonetheless hundreds of thousands of people near the Great Lakes live in rural areas and make it work. They live in southern PA, which doesn't even begin to touch the kind of snow the lake areas get. When I moved there I was shocked at how little snow they got. Truly in shock. I had no idea other areas in the north did get the kind of snow I grew up with. I kept waiting for "winter" and when spring came I was thinking, that's IT???
I'm sure Jon would not move to an area in which he was not perfectly capable of digging himself out from should a big storm hit once in awhile. I don't think we need to worry. "
I live in a small town, but it's still fairly rural, and of course we manage to dig ourselves out each winter..never said we couldn't. But, if you are on a fixed income, or make minimum wages, it certainly is a hardship. Having the driveway plowed at $50 a pop hits me hard. And no, high school boys don't shovel or plow snow much any more. No one hires out to rake leaves either. Or mow lawns. Yes, nurseries do all of that, but the cost for it in our area is a bit too steep for my pocket. I wasn't criticizing Jon, just being curious, but feel I have been jumped on because some might have thought so...have also been called names in the recent past, when I did criticize him a bit. Have been here since the beginning, and it didn't used to be this way here. Used to be both sides could be heard equally. Now, not so much. Not so much discussion at times, just praise Jon or else.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 104 No Tweet, he did not say they were developmentally "delayed."
He said "Developmentally, they have problems." Huge difference. ______________
Thanks. I didn't think Jon would say that and yes, there's a huge difference.
This is one reason I'm turning against interviews and especially a movie. People hear one thing, interpret it another way and soon people are saying something that's morphed into something hurtful and wasn't what the person interviewed said at all.
I watched the show. Did anyone else notice in the photo that was shown of the 6, Collin stood about a foot away from the other 5 and he looked away from the camera. He looked sad and detached from the rest. He and the other girl at the opposite end (wasn't sure if that was Alexis) looked quite unhappy. Weren't they the two that had the issues in school? That photo was quite telling IMO.
Also, when Jon said the kids were given things which worked negatively against them, I was thinking about Kate yammering in their ears, "don't you miss the trips? If we filmed again, we could have all that stuff again!!". What else could it be? She is so emotionally stunted it's scary. For Kate, it will always be about more TV time equals a great life for her kids.
I think a bigger issue with the school 'lifestyle' is not so much that the kids do not have the money to compete with the vacations their peers take but more that they live with a woman who refuses to spend that kind of of money on the unless it is being comped, or they are being filmed. She HAS money for lessons, and trips, but she won't do it, she simply will not. So it is TFW who keeps them out of those loops. She has no real nterest in their education or development, she pays the $$$ to the private school and expects them to do her job. And while the kids might be more comfortable in a public school, they would get more less academic attention, and with a mother who refuses to be their advocate, they would suffer. Do you see Kate as a classroom volunteer, attending PTA meetings, going on field trips? In a public school atmosphere, you really have to be a much more involved parent. And yes, I knew parents who took their vacation days from work to do all that. Given their mother, they really are better off in private schools.
"Yes, they got to travel the world, and yes, they got these fabulous things, and yes, they have trust funds, and they're taken care of educationally. Great," he continued. "But developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people, and they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what's right and what's wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV."
TFW wasn't dressing the kids in well known clothes initially until they became famous. And all the children's clothing was purchased by TCL for the shows and that's why she didn't want a single stain on the childrens' clothing so she could sell them in the consignment store. And when all this ended she had to cry the blues about the cost of clothes for her children. According to TFW she only buys cheap clothes for her kids now. I don't believe it. She's grifted everything including clothing and coupons from so many, I don't believe her kids are wanting for clothing. Plus, I believe she has the money to buy them clothes if they need it.
Also all her fussing about saving money for lunches is a joke. If you can send 8 children to private school and can afford the tuition, you can certainly afford to purchase or send them a substantial lunch without all the drama involved in packing a lunch for these kids. If you can't afford it, then find a cheaper school or relocate and enroll the kids in a public school where no one really cares who they are or who TFW is.
If TFW has a landscaping service, which I believe she does, then there is a good chance, they also provide a plowing service. I think TFW's problem with her property is not being plowed out, but with several loaded freezers and no back up generator system, it would cost her a lot more if she doesn't at this time have something installed in case of a power outage. Maybe she wised up after last year and has remedied this situation, but who knows if she took care of this potential costly problem.
I am in prime lake effect country off of Lake Ontario. We will the Snowball Trophy for upstate NY every year. Luckily, we live about 10 minutes from the worst of it.
We just shovel, plow or snow blow and then rise and repeat every 2 to 3 hours during a lake event. You just do it. I personally prefer to shovel. But sometimes the 3 car wide/3 car deep driveway with 3 feet of snow is daunting!
We also own Jeeps, in which I can blast my way through most snow drifts in the morning before work.
Jon could contract for a season (which is actually cheaper) or roll the dice and do a per-plow contract. Here, plows only clear the driveways if we get over 3 inches of snow.
Winsomeone, I certainly didn't take your question as anything more than a genuine wondering of how rural areas handle snow. I shared our mid-west way. Sorry if it seemed argumentative.
My hubby is blessed with farm equipment. He takes care of the neighbors "near" our home. He wouldn't consider asking for payment. (Though one lady has baked chocolate thank you offerings.)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 11m @Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
Milo hates Jon with a passion. Why would she even watch this other than to find something to criticize him about and rub salt in Kate's wounds? Glorifying himself? He did the opposite! He showed how happy he is with a simple life off the camera. Milo is so far up Kate's butt that she'll never see the light of day.
And why the world would she tweet this to Kate? I'm sure Kate saw the interview and knows exactly what Jon said.
I'll keep defending Jon as long as he continues to come across as heartfelt and honest in interviews. There's honesty and life in his eyes that is sadly missing in Kate's. He is truly concerned about his children's welfare; Kate is truly concerned with how much money she can rake in by using them.
Unless one's head is firmly buried in the sand, there is no way you cannot see it.
Fired Up 4 Kate@MiloandJack24m @Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
I wasn't criticizing Jon, just being curious, but feel I have been jumped on because some might have thought so...have also been called names in the recent past, when I did criticize him a bit. Have been here since the beginning, and it didn't used to be this way here. Used to be both sides could be heard equally. Now, not so much. Not so much discussion at times, just praise Jon or else. *****************************************************************
I might have taken it as a criticism of Jon, but let's be honest, most of your posts are critical of him. Most debates here, at least about Jon. are mature and respectful, I don't recall anyone calling you names? But I get what you're saying, when your post gets picked apart and dissected. Kinda hurts, so sorry if I offended you :)
LAlalalala: I agree with you. Kate, has fallen into that slot of, I can't believe my kids are growing up , they are not babies anymore. Notice how Kate always refers to the kids as littles, she always has them watch DVD of themselves as little kids. It's like Kate is stuck in a time loop. That is probably cause, that was the height of the show. Kate is the one who can't move forward/on. I don't know of anyone who constantly shows pics or videos/DVD's home movies of their kids when they were little to their kids as a brain washing thing, of the way we were. The past is the past, looking at pic once in a while is OK, or once a year. Not constant as Kate has said. Didn't Kate say something recently about, putting pics of the kids around the house of when they were younger, to remind them on how they were and acted back then, to change their current behavior. I never heard if such a goofy way of, getting kids to behave, with pics. Most kids would say: that was then, this is now. Kate has issues with her kids growing up, and her getting old.
When Jon mentioned that the kids have issues with wanting things, and thinking they are entitled to have things, that is a Kate & TLC doing. Jon is dealing with big issues, with the kids. Kate is countering his every move with the kids, and most likely filling their heads with all kinds of crap about their Dad, so they will have to choose. Shame on Kate. It is enough the kids have to go through the crap about being on TV, what both of their parents have done, especially Kate of recent, then the divorce itself, then treasing at school, not to mention the moody swings Kate goes through with them. Now Kate is most likely playing mind games/trying to pit the parent against parent, with kids in middle, and making them choose. Your dad is this, your dad is that, your dad can't give you this or that, etc. Kate has become vindictive and out to get even. SHAME! SHAME ON HER!
And no, high school boys don't shovel or plow snow much any more. No one hires out to rake leaves either. Or mow lawns. Yes, nurseries do all of that, but the cost for it in our area is a bit too steep for my pocket
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We're lucky! They do here. We always have knocks on our doors after a snowfall...kids looking to make money. In fact, last evening I had a young lad approach me when I pulled out of the driveway, asking me if I wanted our leaves raked. Ten dollars for the job. You can't beat that! Same with "mower boys." They come around and give you an estimate, and there's never a shortage of them!
I hear you, Winsome. It was just an innocent question, IMO. You didn't mean to start a firestorm! I did that a few weeks ago. An innocent observation, and woah! did people go off on me.
I think it's a perfectly interesting observation...paying someone to plow is expensive! Especially on a waiter's wages. And a long driveway. Although it's probably manageable if it doesn't snow heavily that often.
I took it in the spirit in which it was intended...a humorous observation. No ill will intended. Carry on.
There is nothing wrong with their school but I think it's hard to teach kids about wants and needs when all the kids around them are doing ski trips and trips to Florida and things of that nature and iPhones and iPads and all that jazz. If that's not a lifestyle this family can afford anymore aren't they just keeping up with the Joneses at this point?
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Not all of their peers take ski trips and Caribbean vacations. There are quite a few whose parents can't afford a lavish lifestyle...kids who are on financial aid, probably more than one would imagine. You'd be surprised. I don't believe, though, that Kate is at that point yet. The money's there -- she just doesn't want to spend it if there's the possibility that freebies will be thrown her way.
On the K+8 FAQ show, TFW said she had a full-time cleaner, babysitter and people to do lawn work. "It's called survival" she said. How nauseating.Even last year she said she had homework helpers and shower-time helpers, pool boys,lawn boys, part-time babysitter, and we know about Katherine.
I agree, Admin. The kids 'want' so many things because their peers are also rich kids for the most part. I wonder if they look down on the wardrobe Jon has provided, for example? If the twins don't visit much, that's sad if it's a petty reason like that- just wondering, not presuming.
Pam Anderson said 'OUCH!' after completing the NYC marathon and needed bags of ice & a bed to lay down. BIG CONTRAST from TFW's fresh-faced appearance at the finish line.
Fired Up 4 Kate@MiloandJack24m @Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
Dear Milo, Since we know you read hear, let me just say you are a foolish and stupid woman ( if that). And clearly not a friend of Kate as you would like the world to believe. This tweet just serves to prove what a passive-aggressive person you are. And seriously, you need professional help to explain why your fascination with living life on Twitter is not a good idea. Take your girlfriend with you, maybe you can get a twofer on the consult. Sincerely,
And why the world would she tweet this to Kate? I'm sure Kate saw the interview and knows exactly what Jon said.
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Because she's in love with Kate, wants to get on her good side offering her support and encouragement, commiserating with her about that nasty, vile, deplorable ex, showing how much she identifies with Kate and her hatred of Jon, and because she's nuts.
See, that latest tweet of Milo's makes me think again that this is someone who actually doesn't like Kate and is poking her. This thing ALWAYS makes sure Kate is aware of the negative things being said about her. Always! Sure, it slobbers and fawns over her, and communicates with the other fans, but I have often wondered if it's just to keep in the loop and/or from being blocked. Zingers never fail to be delivered, whether passive-aggressive or outright. And responses are rarely given. WHY would it wait until almost lunchtime the next day to tweet this, when the interview was last night?
Just as expected! Thar she blows! Goody is off on her hate rant, and a little bit more vile than usual. She and Milo make wonderful bedfellows, don't you think?
We're lucky! They do here. We always have knocks on our doors after a snowfall...kids looking to make money.
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Same here. Boys as young as elementary school go door to door with their shovels after a snowstorm. My nephews have quite a lawn mower business going too. They are 11 and 14
Fired Up 4 Kate@MiloandJack24m @Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
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Milo seems to take a lot of pleasure in antagonizing the situation. A tweet like that is just fueling the fire. TFW doesn't need friends like that. She's unstable as it is, and being enabled by someone who is probably equally off balance in the head isn't going to help her.
Sorry if this has been linked before. HuffPost article about the OWN episode with the producers who did the interviews. The woman who interviewed Jon in person has nothing but great things to say about him. Normal guy. Very nice. Understands why he's living "off the grid", so to speak. Wants to clear up misconceptions about him and get ahead of the story, for once, so that maybe he'll be taken seriously in the IT industry again. The tv show sort of derailed his resume.
Really positive, so I'm calling this a big win for Jon. His honesty is beyond refreshing. No BS spin, unicorn farts.
I think it's possible because the household was strict Kate stated to see her entire childhood as negative. Instead of learning to be happy with what she had and with local trips and events and friends and a nice school, instead of rushing off to Disney World every summer, she just got more resentful and full of contempt ***** In Robert's book, there is an email that one of Kate's sisters sent to her, reaching out trying to reconnect in a loving way. Absolutely no negativity about their childhood-- just very fond memories that she shared with Kate.
You just have to wonder about the sheeple and how their brains are wired. Here was a father who saw what was happening with his children when they were exposed to cameras and the media, and he pulled the plug to stop it, knowing that money for him would stop flowing in and he'd have to go back to a "mediocre" lifestyle. It didn't matter to him, though, because he was doing what he believed to be best for his kids.
Sheeple, for some reason, see him as the villain. They can't process it, can't think it through logically because in their eyes he's the bad guy in all of this. It interrupted Kate's plans for a grandiose lifestyle. Never mind the kids. Fans don't care about them. They want them back on television regardless if it's not in the best interest of the children. It's all about Kate, her wants, her desires, her expectations and entitlement. For sheeple, it really is a cult thing, isn't it? Kids be darned. What a sad commentary. I'm also wondering how many of them had very bad experiences with male figures in their lives, and some of this may be transference (as in Goody's case).
Filming, I am sure, contributed to the kids' behavior and developmental issues, but being raised by a narcissist has to be an issue too.
Not surprised the kids feel entitled. Their mother does. And having raised a teenage daughter and son, I can predict ugly behavior will erupt if they don't get their way. Plus, Kate plays favorites. I'd say that family has a recipe for disaster unless there is some counseling now.
Winsome (63) "What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time?"
Winsome, I don't think we were trying to pick on you. You asked a question, and people who thought knew the answer started to offer different explanations. I almost did myself before you wrote that you knew what being snowbounded was all about. Before that, I genuinely thought that maybe you live in a mild climate area and that you did not realize how a snowstorm is not a that big a deal when you're used to getting them.
localyocul said... 48 Check out this clip starting at 4:50 or so. Oh, and part 3 shows an incredible amount of nastiness by TFW towards that poor woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc3edkX5kc0 ----------------------- Oh man, anyone else think, "how do they have this much stuff?!?" I'm sorry, but struggling-to-survive people do NOT have that much stuff, even with 8 kids. Yikes!
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 119 US Magazine has a blurb on the interview:
So far I'd say most of the comments are negative. ******************************************************************************** Did TFMJG mobilize the sheeple? Can you have 'sock' commenters?
" I might have taken it as a criticism of Jon, but let's be honest, most of your posts are critical of him. Most debates here, at least about Jon. are mature and respectful, I don't recall anyone calling you names? But I get what you're saying, when your post gets picked apart and dissected. Kinda hurts, so sorry if I offended you :) "
Nope, doesn't hurt, just really eye opening. A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period. Yes, I have been called names..a Kate lover, a troll, a person who drops by only to shit stir, and a troll. I have never called any one a name for liking Jon, and didn't expect to be called names if I am not wild about him. I had thought it was a place where both sides of an issue could be expressed..I won't make that mistake again. Ex-nurse was shamefully jumped on for expressing her opinion about Jon too.
Jon didn't throw anyone under the bus, he stated the OBVIOUS to anyone who has been watching this saga.
How many times has it been brought up here that Kate's tweets about the 'cutesy' things her kids say are infantile in comparison to their chronological age.
It was all over the tabloids that two kids had to leave school due to poor behavior. We saw how they treated each other and family friends on television.
Her tweets show that the youngest six are treated as a pack. Like none of them have any interests outside of one another.
For heaven sake, they were in high chairs and using sippy cups for far too many years! She dollops their food servings onto their plates and as of a year or so ago, was still cutting up their pancakes for them!
At least he's concerned enough to acknowledge that there ARE problems. Kate is not only ignoring the problems, she appears to be encouraging them.
When she's called out (tabloids/Jamie/Robert) it's deflect and deny. 'Her' kids are perfectly happy little angels living in the perfect little world she has created for them.
It amazes me that this has played out for so long and she nor Jon has been ordered to take parenting classes. (Here is where I cross my fingers that she goes through with this lawsuit and undergoes deposition.)
That whole family should have had court ordered counseling and those kids should have had a court appointed guardian ad litem from the get go of all this drama!
I wish I saw more of the youth oriented business (lawn mowing, snow shoveling, etc.) out here. I live in a nice neighborhood with a mix of blue and white collar families - pretty solidly middle class - and there are lots of middle and high school kids in our area but gardening is something people hire out around here for whatever reason. I wonder if that's a west coast vs Midwest/east coast phenomenon
Milo is absolutely infuriating...I try to take comfort in the fact shes only one wacko who feels this way..most of the general public knows what Kates about ...Thank You God...You're always going to have some nutcase out there defending a low life like Kate. Someone who thinks they know whats going on behind closed doors. Look how many women adore Scott Peterson...Unfortunately they ARE out there. But MAN..she really is off the charts...She cannot deviate form thinking that Kates the "good guy" and Jons the" bad guy". I would guess that she has very low intelligence..poor thing..
Localyocul said... 94 We saw them have trouble talking with people in Wife Swap. The boys especially were like silent robots.
I wonder if TFW tweets about their busy social life is her overcompensating.
Oh and if you go topiary 3 I think of the clip I posted you can see her in all her royal bitchiness. Eye rolling dismissive cold meanness. Clips like that are what I formed my opinion of her from. The organization lady said the kids could come down and learn to dress themselves and she said you have no idea how long it takes to dress 8 kids to go out in the winter. first of all the twins were like 10 so....and secondly it would take 1/8 the time if they all got dressed at once instead of one at a time. But then she couldn't be a marty.
----------------------- And re-watching, you can see how much TLC protected TFW. The organization woman said in the nicest way possible, "It was great working with TFW. She was very decisive. Sometimes too decisive, in that she didn't want to take our advice, but in the end, I think she came around."
Basically, what they wanted to say was "this was a waste of our time. We're TFW's slaves, hired help to empty and move boxes. She's telling us what to do instead of listening to us as the experts. But we can't say that or we'll never get free advertising on a show again."
Okay, I have to laugh at this snow plow talk. Winesome, I know you said you don't understand, but trust it from the plenty of people who have already posted and live or have lived near these areas, it really is par-for-the-course.
I know plenty of people who live in rural areas that have regular dumps of snow (rural Maine and New Hampshire). They either own a plow or get someone they know to plow them out. The rural areas are usually communities as well, where community people take care of their own, including the rural roads that belong to the city but the city doesn't plow. It's just what you do. It's not a big expense, it's not a "oh no, how am I going to pay for this?", people figure it out and if they can't figure it out, usually the neighbors will help out and you pay it back to them with other favors. I'm sure Jon's fine. Never heard him complain about it so why worry about it?
US Magazine has a blurb on the interview: So far I'd say most of the comments are negative.
Half are from someone who never watched an episode of the show and the other are from ppl arguing about rumors of things Jon supposedly did 4+ years ago. smh at the gullibility of some of the people who comment on the tab stories and who know nothing about the real story.
This article and the new one at RadarOnline completely ignore and avoid dealing with any concern about the harm reality tv may have done to the kids. They're of course shooting the messenger rather than being concerned about the message.
It amazes me that this has played out for so long and she nor Jon has been ordered to take parenting classes.
I agree that both parents should have been ordered to take parenting classes (in addition to the piddly one all parents are required to take by the state) as well as undergo some kind of family counseling. They definitely needed help dealing with the divorce as well as the special circumstances w/this family -- but we don't know that they haven't done so. I'm praying that they DID take them and that, no matter how big or small the issues, that some things did improve for the kids.
In Robert's book, there is an email that one of Kate's sisters sent to her, reaching out trying to reconnect in a loving way. Absolutely no negativity about their childhood-- just very fond memories that she shared with Kate. *****************************************************************
Just curious, since I didn't manage to get the book before it was pulled- what was tfw's response to the email?
TLC stinks said... 145 Filming, I am sure, contributed to the kids' behavior and developmental issues, but being raised by a narcissist has to be an issue too. ------------------- I know this is going to sound harsh, but I think that the kids were always destined to have problems, filming or no. You can't be raised by a NPD and come out healthy on the other side. It's not really possible, or at least it's VERY rare.
I mean look at what we saw on the show. She leaves them alone, lets them hit each other, lets them physically fight with each other, as long as they are out of her way she could care less what they're doing or to whom. They were not told how to act in any consistent manner, they were not given the social training they need for the real world. When she's the one they are around for most of the day, and that's the environment they mainly grow up in, no matter what Jon did when he got home they were going to end up wild, self-serving, and survivalist.
I'm almost glad they divorced, because when they're with him he'll lay down the law and help them work things out. Every minute they spend with TFW is another minute that's destroying any chance for surviving the real world.
Now, Jon's right in that filming didn't help. They learned if they did what their mother said on cue and in front of cameras they got free toys, free stuff, attention, all sorts of positive reinforcement for the wrong things. A kid can grow up normal in that, but they need positive reinforcement for the RIGHT things too, and a lot of it, and they're not getting that with TFW. I feel sad for them, but they might make it out okay in the end, if they realize their mother's problems soon enough and get therapy.
Winsomeone said... 151 A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period. -------------------- Um no, have to disagree there. This board is like life. If you have a party to celebrate Obama's re-election and you, as a Romney supporter, show up and voice your opinion, you have to expect people to react. (I am seriously not trying to get political here, so no offense to anyone, it's just an example of a polarizing view.)
This is a forum where most of the posters are Jon supporters. You're the minority opinion (not the only opinion, there are others who don't care for Jon). Know that when you post these things, you're the minority opinion, and you're going to get opposing replies from posters. Simple as that. You can reply or let it roll off your back, depending on what you want to do.
Can you blame anyone for not always agreeing with you and do you really expect much different if you know most of the people in this forum disagree with you?
I just re-read my comment at #159 and noticed that it could be taken in a way I didn't intend. Just want to clarify that I was referring to some of the ppl's comments on the tabloid sites and not those who comment here when I said: "smh at the gullibility of some of the people who comment on the tab stories and who know nothing about the real story."
Nope, doesn't hurt, just really eye opening. A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period. Yes, I have been called names..a Kate lover, a troll, a person who drops by only to shit stir, and a troll. I have never called any one a name for liking Jon, and didn't expect to be called names if I am not wild about him. I had thought it was a place where both sides of an issue could be expressed..I won't make that mistake again. Ex-nurse was shamefully jumped on for expressing her opinion about Jon too. *********************************************************************************** Well I've been accused of worse things here and I made about understanding why some posters choose to stop posting, just lurk or leave all together. I've never ever called anyone names (except tfw, of course!) Again, I apologize for jumping to conclusions regarding the snow talk. I get a little defensive with Jon because I can relate to what he was living with, I almost feel a kinship with him.
What I find fascinating is that OWN is a Discovery Network owned station with Ms O'Neill at the helm and she had to know Oprah was going to interview Jon. Perhaps the tide is turning for Jon and O'Neill sees Kate for the Spoiled Monster of a Woman besides an opportunist that is responsible for her own demise- with a little push from Discovery showing those tell all videos of Pizza Gate and Moose hot dogs. Maybe O'Neill is showing a little conscience for destroying Jon with kates help and is trying to make amends. Time will tell. In the meantime Jon has worked hard staying out of the limelight for a long time now. He sounds very mentally stable, grounded, responsible and the much better parent figurehead. I wouldn't mind seeing him on TV with the kids but we know how he feels about that. He is a very likeable guy though and very personable, great for tv. Maybe Eileen O'Neill will get her head out of her butt and realized that Jon could draw a lot of viewers and make a lot of money for Discovery. If I was her I would be kissing Jon Gosselins Arse instead of continuing to screw him, dropping all lawsuits against him and give him a job. .
Elizabeth Durand @missdurandnyc 2h I interviewed @jongosselin's mistress's brother, and have a hard time believing he didn't cheat. http://usm.ag/HqRrJt via @usweekly __________
LOL 'jongosselin's mistress's brother' ! Is that anything like my uncle's brother's neighbor's sister's gardner?
Hard hitting journalism at its best! :-) Oh, I'm so tickled!
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school! ======== And we all know that TFW tends to lie about many things. When they went to the Crayola factory she must have inhaled a lot of crayons dust because she's still shitting rainbows about everything.
"Admin, I think you bring up a good point that most people don't go back and ask their parents about things when they were 10 because most already remember that period of their lives."
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Most people don't, granted. But often abused children will in order to try to process what happened to them. Especially if in therapy as an adult. It is common to ask victims to reflect back to their past to try and pinpoint individual incidences that stood out as being particularly hurtful or damaging.
It's a very painful process but one that can do a great deal of healing. It's even better if they have at least one parent (optimal for both parents to be involved but in the case of having a narcissistic parent - extremely rare) they can talk to honestly about it.
I believe that for those kids in the future, Jon's willingness to take responsibility for his part in their exploitation and just how far he went to try and stop it and give them a normal life will be a godsend.
Kate will deny, deflect, downplay and excuse her part in it but as long as Jon takes the lead in acknowledging that what was done to them was wrong, they should all come out okay. Not unscathed mind you, but far, far better than they would if he were in as much denial as Kate is.
Just my thoughts on the issue.
As for Jon's interview, I haven't seen it but I think there's nothing wrong, at this stage of the game, for him to finally speak.
Kate has gotten so much air time to spew her bs and to throw him under the bus.
If he's not involving the kids and not trashing Kate then I say more power to him.
Well I've been accused of worse things here and I made about ******************************************************************************** Should read-"made a comment about"
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school! ******************************************************** She's just oozing with positivity! They "R" allllll excelling in school, she 'STATED' it dammit!!
Hoosier Girl said... 168 Elizabeth Durand @missdurandnyc 2h I interviewed @jongosselin's mistress's brother, and have a hard time believing he didn't cheat. http://usm.ag/HqRrJt via @usweekly __________
LOL 'jongosselin's mistress's brother' ! Is that anything like my uncle's brother's neighbor's sister's gardner?
Hard hitting journalism at its best! :-) Oh, I'm so tickled! ---------------------------- When will people learn that when he says he didn't cheat he doesn't mean he didn't date anyone else, but that he didn't date anyone else until they were separated! It's the TIMING he's referring to, not the act itself.
And I can believe that most people who know of this couple would still think he cheated. Not many people really know the timing of everything. And the type of people who didn't watch the show and know about the divorce, well they are the types of people who read tabloids religiously and those types of people are gullible enough to believe in what they read (this is a sweeping generalization, no offense to anyone here who reads tabloids).
I vaguely remember that email from Kate's sister. What's odd is that her sister is attempting to reconnect? Another family member shut out. Did Kate think her family members would be after her money so she cut them out or did that happen before? Those kids should be growing up with their extended family. So sad the kids have no relationships with their cousins.
Friendly Canuk said... 163 "All this talk of snow brought back memories from when the Toronto mayor called in the army. It still is a national joke " --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ....and now, unfortunately, the current Toronto Mayor is an international joke.
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school!
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Oh, Milo! How you make a gator's day with your nonsense. When the hell has Kate every seen the good, the positive and the highlight of ANYTHING?
Spewing platitudes over Twitter does not a positive person make. If you want proof of that, just pop over to Mr. Hoffman's blog and watch the Ask Kate clip he has posted.
Yeah, real positive attitude there. Huge eye roll.
Winsomeone . . . I think most posters are pretty even handed when it comes to TFW and Jon. As you can see by the way I address Kate by using TFW, I do admit that I favor Jon. I don't always agree with what he does, but I definitely favor him over TFW. I do not attack anyone who posts comments against Jon. That would be silly and I think anyone who adheres to that type of group think are no better than the Kate groupies on Twitter. People should be open minded to other opinions and welcome them, and not attack the person making a comment that they do not agree with.
Local toxic, love your new name! Auto correct can be really aggravating. Dingo lady, I did not know that OWN and discovery were connected. Very interesting. Discovery owns that film in perpetuity, all that film of TFMJG being herself.
It amazes me that this has played out for so long and she nor Jon has been ordered to take parenting classes.
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Yes, they were required to take a class or classes. It was back when the custodial things were happening. It was ordered by the state. Does anyone remember the details of that, and when it was.
Milos on a rant right now...she sounds like such an asshole. Is this about HER family? NOOOOOOOOOO..Its just getting really weird with her. It's not her position to defend something she knows nothing about. Although you would have to have some kind of psychosis to defend someone so obviously trying to pull the wool over the publics eyes....I know, I know...she's in love.
I watched the Q&A video and noticed Kate was on a huge high. She was cocky and very confident. Nothing could bring her down at that point. Her plan had worked out perfectly. She got rid of that pesky Jon who didn't want to film any longer and now had her own show. They were just coming down from a 9 million viewer birthday/separation show and TLC kissing her ass. She could get them to send her practically anywhere in the world she wanted to go even Australia and New Zealand. Jon was acting like a horny teenager and she had the sympathy of the public. TLC was suing Jon and she had their might lawyers backing her. She thought at the time of this interview all of this would never end. She thought she was indispensable. How wrong she was.
I think a lot of you have a misconception about the kind of money waiters can make. A good server, at a quality (although not necessarily expensive) restaurant, can do very well. I helped put myself through college working as a server at a family type, moderately priced restaurant. It wasn't unusual for me to make $100 a night in tips, and this was back in the dark ages, LOL. The places Jon works sound like they are fairly high quality places. I imagine he's doing alright for himself.
Those of you who live in areas where the teens are willing to do things like mow lawns and rake leaves and shovel snow are lucky. The kids around where I live won't do it. They say it's "demeaning". I'm not physically able to do much myself, and it's a real struggle some years to find someone to help out.
The people who are complaining about Jon revealing too much and "throwing the kids under the bus" (not posters here) obviously didn't watch the show, or else they know nothing about child development. Most of the problems he mentioned are very clearly demonstrated on clips of the show, and he didn't "invade the kids' privacy". He kept things general and non-specific. He never named names and said ___ did this and ____ did that. There's no way to identify specific problems and associate them with individual kids.
Milo seems to take a lot of pleasure in antagonizing the situation. A tweet like that is just fueling the fire. TFW doesn't need friends like that. She's unstable as it is, and being enabled by someone who is probably equally off balance in the head isn't going to help her.
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There's an ulterior motive at play here. Milo fuels that fire, getting Kate all worked up, gathering sympathy for Kate. This allows Milo to jump on Twitter with her platitudes, words of praise and encouragement, fawning over Kate, and Milo emerges as Kate's most devoted fan. Milo is the hero, the fan who saves Kate from the depths of despair. Milo's not dumb, but her ego is as big as Kate's.
OT: only 26, or 27 hours, i'm not sure which, until the Virginia governors election is over! I am so very very tired of election ads. Whoever wins, I hope he apologizes to the voters in his acceptance speech, and whoever loses should apologize in his concession speech, apologize to all the Virginia voters for all the negative ads. Le Sigh
Wouldn't Discovery/TLC have to give permission to use the clips? I would assume they're copyrighted. Sometimes clips like this have courtesy if ABC, CBS whatever. Interesting!
I watch Jon last night and thought he did a good job.
1. He didn't bash Kate. 2. He talked about the kids in a positive way he didn't divulge to much. 3. He kept it simple. 4. He looked happy and looked nice appearance wise.
I will echo bitchy pants about how much money a wait person can earn, depending on where they work, etc. When I was in college, I took a few months off and worked as a waitress at a family-style restaurant. Nothing fancy. I earned minimum wage, plus my tips. I worked basically full time and was able to bank my paychecks and live off my tips (pay for rental of a room in a shared apartment, groceries, etc.). Of course, I wasn't providing for children, making a car payment, insurance, etc.
I had a boyfriend who worked in Palm Springs for an expensive restaurant. He would make quite a bit of money in tips each night - I was jealous!
I am not sure if Jon is a host at a restaurant - seats people, oversees the room in general to make sure all is going smoothly, or if he also waits on tables. If customers like him and his service, and the restaurant is upscale, he could be bringing in some pretty decent money in tips.
I don't think anyone here has said it, but working at a restaurant is a "real job." I get irritated when I read comments about how he should get a "real job," as if waiting tables is fun and games.
Milos on a rant right now...she sounds like such an asshole. Is this about HER family? NOOOOOOOOOO..Its just getting really weird with her. It's not her position to defend something she knows nothing about. Although you would have to have some kind of psychosis to defend someone so obviously trying to pull the wool over the publics eyes....I know, I know...she's in love.
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I just read those tweets. She indeed is a woman in love. Seriously. She doesn't care about embarrassing herself. I sometimes wonder if her kids and her husband know the extent of her involvement in Kate's life. That is, if she really does have a family. I wonder, too, if they've ever tried to help her with this obsession, or if they just laugh about it, knowing that's the way she is and nothing is every going to change. Her fascination with Kate is so far beyond normal that I doubt if even therapy could help at this point. It's sad, really, when you think about it. She's one sick puppy.
I also think that, in light of the lawsuit and so much going down, she and Goody should really be careful what they say about Jon. Milo's already claimed there was a restraining order against him, and that he stole things from Kate's kitchen; that Robert altered the journals, etc. She (and Goody) just don't know when to shut up.
Anonymous/FRP @ 136 said: See, that latest tweet of Milo's makes me think again that this is someone who actually doesn't like Kate and is poking her. This thing ALWAYS makes sure Kate is aware of the negative things being said about her. Always! Sure, it slobbers and fawns over her, and communicates with the other fans, but I have often wondered if it's just to keep in the loop and/or from being blocked. Zingers never fail to be delivered, whether passive-aggressive or outright. A ***** An interesting thought. Whoever Milo is, this person is definitely not firing on all cylinders. I don't think the person consciously dislikes Jon's ex, but I could see an underlying layer of jealousy that causes "it" to leave passive aggressive remarks, or sometimes rub salt in the wounds, all under the guise of being sympathetic, supportive, or a "bestie!"
There are people who teeter on the edge of mental health, and I think Milo is one of them. At times fairly lucid, but clearly he/she/it has an unhealthy obsession with Kate, and takes criticism against Kate as personally as if it were directed at Milo. That's not normal. The fact that Kate basically encourages this behavior is also not normal.
Just curious, since I didn't manage to get the book before it was pulled- what was tfw's response to the email? ******* I don't think that was included in the book, or if Kate even responded.
I missed the show, but watched a short clip, in which Jon said that the kids have trust funds and college funds (isn't clear if the college funds are part of the trust funds, or separate.)
In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with: Manners Needs Morals With their peers Knowing what is right and what's wrong
I wish he had not said those things. I don't know why people assume that the kids won't see or hear about that. Remember that Jon said that the kids have Internet access at school, and that he does not limit them when they are at his house. He specifically said that they google their names and watch YouTube with him sitting right next to them. Maybe they won't see it--but, maybe they will. Same for their classmates, parents, teachers and members of their church. Two of those kids are teenagers!
If Jon had not said those things or ever done that interview, what is the potential for harm? None that I can think of. Having made the interview, there is, IMO, potential harm to his kids finding out what he said to millions of people. There is absolutely no difference in Jon using the kids to validate himself, and TFW doing the same--at least to me. I don't have different standards depending on who I like most, or how much worse one parent's behavior is than another. There is absolutely no justification or rationalization that justifies the types of disclosure that he made. Anyone who thinks that there isn't enough information out there about the pitfalls of filming a family needs only to read the blistering comments whenever there is an article about TFW. If this information had been out there, does anyone think it would have deterred TFW? There will always be greedy fame whores selling their children to the highest bidder. That has been the case since the dawn of entertainment.
Why in the world does anyone think they know what it is like to have the kind of lives these kids live, or how they feel when their parents blab their personal business to a national audience. I think it is safe to say that, unlike kids in LA or NY, they do not know anyone else who has to endure everyone knowing that their parents cannot even have a civil conversation.
This is how I see things. Kate had always intended on doing the show until the kids went to college. I believe she said that at some point many years ago when she was still with Jon. Even though she did not love him anymore, as long as they continued to play happy family, as evidenced by the long crazy discussion in the 4th season finale episode, she wanted to continue to perpetuate the myth. In fact, so much so, that if Jon agreed to it, he could go out and have his own private personal life off the show. How she ever thought that would persist with no one ever noticing is beyond me! Not much upstairs. He got outed, now no longer a need to pretend there is a happy home life, so might as well divorce. With that came the infamous summer from hell and the fall wasn't much better. But, Jon now was free to stand up and say no more filming, like he did almost an entire year earlier! This screwed Kate's plans. She eventually was able to continue her show without Jon, but it was already ruined. Then it just kept sliding further and further away, until cancelled altogether in 2011. She sees that the Duggars and Roloffs are still on the air. They all started their shows around the same time. 2 of them are still on the air and 1 isn't. Now who is responsible for that? Can't be Kate, right? After all, she didn't do anything different. It HAS to be Jon. Why else would her show get cancelled and the other two are still airing new episodes?
I truly believe she sees the events in that way. That is why she hates Jon SO MUCH! It also explains why she will not stop in her quest of ruining his life, after all, it was he who ruined her's. Destroy his career, he destroyed her tv career, so she destroys his IT career by calling him a hacker. There is a certain symmetry don't you think? I really think she is a danger to Jon, those poor kids and even herself.
I read an article years ago in Family Circle that a lady needed to have her leaves raked and she had a huge yard. She put an ad in the local paper advertising teenage kids to come and bring rakes. They came and brought their stereos and raked the yard in no time. She bought pizza, drinks, ect. and fed them a big lunch.
All she was out was the pizza money.
Then she got it back for getting 50 dollars for getting printed in Family Circle.
Winsomeone said: I wasn't criticizing Jon, just being curious, but feel I have been jumped on because some might have thought so...have also been called names in the recent past, when I did criticize him a bit. Have been here since the beginning, and it didn't used to be this way here. Used to be both sides could be heard equally. Now, not so much. Not so much discussion at times, just praise Jon or else. ***** When were you called names, and Admin or her assistants let such a comment be posted? I am sure there are comments that never see the light of day, because they are offensive for one reason or another. One thing about this blog is that it is pretty firmly administrated, and name-calling is not allowed.
I also am sorry you felt jumped on by the responses regarding snow plowing. I'm from sunny California where even a snow flurry would make headline news. So I would not know how people deal with snow in the east, whether everyone has a small plow, hires someone, etc. But since Jon grew up in the area, I imagine he took that into consideration when he moved to his cabin, and probably has it taken care of - whether the landlord provides a plow, whether he had a helpful neighbor, or whatever.
I have to disagree with the generalization that this blog is only for fans-of-Jon. At the time J&K+8 was still being filmed, I was critical of both of them, although I have always been more critical of Kate. Her sins have always been so much greater in my mind.
When Jon was running around like a chicken with its head cut off, I was equal parts exasperated, sympathetic, and embarrassed for him.
At this point in time, I see an imperfect human being (such as I am), trying to do his best by his kids. I respect that. I see someone who has been through the mill (basically beaten down by TLC and the media), but who came out the other side with a positive outlook, and has found a new happiness in life. Good for him! So yes, I do support Jon and will speak in his defense at times. I try to do so politely and without name-calling, because that's how I try to have any sort of discussion. Hope you are feeling better and will keep taking part in the conversations here.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1 – 200 of 662 Newer› Newest»Well I just started from the beginning and is it weird I'm strangely moved to tears by Michael Bolton's recounting of being unable to even pay the rent with three little girls in the home? WTH, pull it together Admin.
He looks great. I hope things start to go his way and he gets some breaks along the way. I like how he did not trash his former wife.
I just watched the Jon interview. For him, it's so very clear that it's all about the kids...he gave up the fame, the money, the trips, the gifts because he saw that his kids were not emotionally developing normally. He wants them to grow up the way he grew up -- not on camera, not in the media, and without cameras in their faces.
Well done Jon! No begging for pity or free stuff. Take a lesson TFW. I don't believe for one second that TFW wont or didn't watch this. I bet she was sitting there with her phone in her hand, lawyer on speed dial so she could yell those famous words Can we sue???? Loved to hear "Jon is a single father raising 8 kids". Well done indeed.
Oprah showed a clip of when the sextuplets were 3 or so. Even back then the boys clothes were 2 sizes too big. The cuffs were way down onto their hands.
I tend to think when you win a lawsuit or things are going your way in the lawsuit, you are better served to just quietly enjoy the victory in a respectful manner and let things play out.
Does this rule not apply to Jon? We can't just pick and choose who we should apply things to. Then we get accused of being hypocrites by the hippos, Imean, fans.
not on camera, not in the media, and without cameras in their faces.
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Were the kids filmed??
...lol..Robert has made a post about our conversation about "creepyness"...
Robert, what you are doing to "out" TFW and hopefully expose the facts that needs to be exposed, especially about any child abuse..go for it!
I re-read the comment about how you dont have a life so decided to go watch and see if TFW really did go to Church that Easter day, and thought out loud and to your public , about whether or not TFW realizes she is being watched, so why does she do the stupid things she does..... and it was a bit clearer. At first it sounded like people were saying you were outside her house watching ehr all of the time.
Some people dont like your taunts, I am on the wall about it. I just hope you are not doing anything, as said earlier, that will interfere with winning the war!
As for not having a life.. I obviously have wasted too much time on here today procrastinating from the work I should have been doing around the house...
When watching, I believed every single word he said. He says he is happy, and believe him...he seems so relaxed and at ease with himself and his life. I loved the drawings of the children stuck on the wall. ''I love Dad'' childish drawings are important to him...important enough to put them on the wall.
I really liked that he did not trash his former wife. Jon hasn't forgotten that his former wife IS the mother of his children, and they don't need to hear him throw her under a bus.
Any problems he said his children may have, he attributed to being on the show for so long, and accepted his part of the blame for that.
Jon is a nice man, and it shows!
IMO Jon came off as authentic.
The kids were not filmed with Jon for this interview.
Taking a step back a bit, I want to say I truly didn't remember Robert's statement in his book about "watching Kate". I now stand corrected. Thanks, folks.
his kids were not emotionally developing normally.
*sigh* Kids have to go to school in the morning, Jon.
That was a true" Where are they now?" episode. Jon explained where he was, what he is doing, and where he is trying to go with his life. He wished HFW all the best.
All he said about HFW was they only talk custodial stuff, and are on very different pages. He did not throw her under the bus. He did not talk about the lawsuit. He did not allow his kids to be filmed, they showed a picture.
He did say they have some things they need to work on and he felt they were a direct result of the filming and the things they have received. THAT might have been a plug that they are not all okay and the filming was not all that HFW makes it to be.
Should he have said that? Typically I would say NO, but right now I beleive Jon is trying to get the message out there that filming of kids on a reality TV show is NOT OKAY!! The damage has been done and t his message needs to get out to stop other people and TV power houses from continuing to do this!!
Does this rule not apply to Jon
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Of course. And if he ever taunts or behaves in a creepy manner I'll feel the same. Answering questions honestly in an interview is not "taunting."
"Tap that ass" is offensive no matter where you are from. Using it for a married man is not the same as referring to livestock. I've only heard the term used by rappers and thugs.
Kate keeps saying they should film again. Jon has every right to say that that filming she wants so bad had very negative consequences for them. Finally someone answers her crap about filming again. Someone who actually knows.
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his kids were not emotionally developing normally.
*sigh* Kids have to go to school in the morning, Jon.
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I know, right? Jon should have swept it under the rug like Kate has.
I know we shouldn't laugh at the sheeple and their cooking skills, but this one is just so funny...
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@Mariobatali when making soup, do the bones have to be raw or can you save cooked ones?
Jon seemed very content and at peace. I liked the clip of Kate sitting there stroking Golden Child Hannah's hair while Jon dealt with the kids who were misbehaving.
Funny how TFW popped up on Twitter just 30 minutes or so before Jon's segment aired. Classic deflection there. Pay no attention to that guy on Oprah!
I just read Robert Hoffman's new posts. I had to laugh at that Sheeple claiming that Dana Hoffman was a spurned lover of Jon's. Just like their claims that TFW spurned Robert. Robert threw the sheep into a tizzy, and they will grasp at any straw to deflect, just like TFW. He must love the fact that he and Dana both turned their delusional little world upside down. And for what it's worth, he is my hero, too.
his kids were not emotionally developing normally.
*sigh* Kids have to go to school in the morning, Jon.
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...and how many third graders do you suppose were sitting by their televisions at 10:10 p.m., eating popcorn, waiting with baited breath just to see Jon Gosselin on a 10-minute interview?
Were the kids filmed??
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For this interview? No.
I doubt kids have any interest in the OWN network to begin with even if this aired earlier!
Meagler said... 13
He did say they have some things they need to work on and he felt they were a direct result of the filming and the things they have received. THAT might have been a plug that they are not all okay and the filming was not all that HFW makes it to be.
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That would make for dissension within the konpound now wouldn't it? I can see Kate siding with the kids who said they'd like to be filmed again and pitching them against the ones who don't want to have the cameras around anymore. If those walls could talk.
I wish Kate could see how her family has been shattered by the entire reality tv mess and she'd realize like Jon has that it isn't the be-all end-all to their survival.
Admim., I just want to apologize if I have caused any trouble on your blog, with my strong opinion. I am usually better behaved. I won't do it again.
As soon as the picture of Jon came on, I started bawling. I just want the best for him and his children, he is such an obvious loving dad. Not all kids have dads like him.
Mickey said...
"I hope you can understand that where I live, who I am friends with and who I have worked with, "taping that ass" is not only a common saying but is socially acceptable."
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"Taping that ass"? Does one use duct tape for that process? I suppose that could be useful in keeping the stick from falling out. And IMO, it's not nearly as offensive as "tapping that ass"...
"Tap that ass" is something that I just heard a couple of weeks ago when I was taking my mandatory sexual harassment and rape prevention training. I'm a Jersey girl and I find it offensive.
I haven't seen Jon's interview yet but I did TiVo it. Although we don't turn our clocks back it does play havoc with the times that different shows come on since I have an East Coast feed. As far as TFW watching, she tweeted the following.
@Kateplusmy8: Super fun day today!SO glad all my kids were home w me this weekend...ate lots of H candy, movie night&relaxed!
Now it's back to school..GN!
Maybe if she repeats the above tweet over and over it will be so.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't find anything wrong with Robert's posts. TFW didn't find anything wrong with BV's tweets and even hailed him as her hero. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Jon explained in the dads interview what the children tell him bears no resemblance to the thoughts and desires Kate says they have. I thought he meant custody time but maybe he meant filming.
"Taping that ass"? Does one use duct tape for that process? I suppose that could be useful in keeping the stick from falling out. And IMO, it's not nearly as offensive as "tapping that ass"...
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lol!! I saw that and was just about to ask the same thing! I thought maybe painter's tape would be preferable. At least it would be colorful!
We have wondered for awhile now what it would take for Jon to finally speak up. Apparently a ridiculous lawsuit was the stick that poked the sleeping bear. Good job, Jon, for speaking honestly, minus the umms, and for not making vague comments about your ex that would have thrown her under the bus. Best wishes for a normal life for you and your children.
I was so happy to see that when the kids visit Jon's house it looks like a loving, fun, and relaxed environment. I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house. The only thing i recall seeing are all of those chore charts. I was also pleased to see that Jon looks genuinely happy with where his life has taken him. He doesn't sit there and put on the poor me act begging for a show or any kind of freebies he can grift. He looks well and happy and that is in my opinion the absolute best revenge.
I wish Kate could see how her family has been shattered by the entire reality tv mess and she'd realize like Jon has that it isn't the be-all end-all to their survival.
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But for Kate, it's not about the kids or the family. It's about HER. The kids are her meal ticket, and the end justifies the means.
I watched the interview and thought Jon comported himself well. I felt some unease when he mentioned the emotional development issues...I'm not sure that was necessary for the piece. As I say, I felt uneasy...I've always liked Jon, thought he was a terrific father and husband. I remember when he offed to iron for TFW on date night; of course, she thought he had better things to do and excoriated him as usual. Imagine! Ironing! A
Good job, Jon, for speaking honestly, minus the umms, and for not making vague comments about your ex that would have thrown her under the bus. Best wishes for a normal life for you and your children.
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No ums, rolling the eyes, pursing the lips, pumping the leg, croc tears...and no speaking "in code."
Terri said... 28
I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house.
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Nope. But I'll bet the farm there will be if she ever gets another interview at the garrison I mean the konpound I mean the house where she is now presiding.
I was so happy to see that when the kids visit Jon's house it looks like a loving, fun, and relaxed environment. I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house.
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No you don't see that at Kate's house. I think this was intrusive, personally. Now they're private, what happens at dad's stays at dad's is public. Wonderful.
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.
He even said that he wished TFW well. Too bad she doesn't say the same about him....and demand that her twitter people never say anything bad about him on her timeline. She oughtta block anyone who says *anything* about Jon.
Her twitter should be about her and no one else.
I don't get the OWN network, so I am unfamiliar with the format of the show Jon was on tonight. I imagine the video of it will be available soon.
I do wonder what influence Jon still has over the children being filmed in the future. Is he willing to step aside if the majority of the kids are in favour of being on television again? I felt TFW unilaterally put them on CWS without prior consultation with Jon. Did he address his position, legal or otherwise, of the children being put back on television by their mother in a special or a series?
Midnight Sun said... 35
''No you don't see that at Kate's house. I think this was intrusive, personally. Now they're private, what happens at dad's stays at dad's is public. Wonderful.
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.''
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Good grief! I had a whole lot more to say about your comments, but I deleted them and will just stick with GOOD GRIEF!
Wow. That was enlightening. So things aren't all happyhappy joyjoy over at the Kompound, huh Kate?
Jon made it crystal clear how damaged his kids are. How could they not be, after all, with a mother like Kate and growing up on a reality show.
I wonder if Kate thinks continuing filming is the answer to the kids' problems? You know, throw more STUFF at them.*shudder* I can't imagine what co-parenting would be like with her. Those poor dears. :( They really never had a chance, did they? I hope they never see this interview. Like, EVER.
I doubt kids have any interest in the OWN network to begin with even if aired earlier!
Tomorrow, next year, when they're 40....they'll see it someday. Sadly. They'll see it all someday. Both their mother's and father's interviews.
Completely groundless speculation: in prior thread there was speculation that TFMJG got bad news late lady week so was twittering rainbows, etc. What if she called Laverne and Shirley to stop the broadcast or ask of they could sue, and was told that because she is a client of razzle dazzle that Laverne and Shirley can no longer take her calls?
Like I said, groundless speculation. Hmmm, what else can I speculate about?
*sigh* Kids have to go to school in the morning, Jon
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Oh yes, SIGH! -Geez! can we not just take this as a man who is possibly giving a warning to other parents? Can it not be advice? Can we not see it as a lesson? Don't put your kids on tv, it's NOT worth it!
Should he have said that? Typically I would say NO, but right now I beleive Jon is trying to get the message out there that filming of kids on a reality TV show is NOT OKAY!! The damage has been done and t his message needs to get out to stop other people and TV power houses from continuing to do this!!
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Exactly! Learn from your mistakes and enlighten others. It was to explain the downfalls of tv. It affected his children negatively. He didn't say they were brats, that they exhausted him, that they were expensive to raise, that they fought all the time...and by all means DON'T mention they were behind developmentally, right? sigh...
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Vanessa said... 15
Well worded, Canadian Mom. This^. Let us not forget Kate's journal, as Auntie Ann said. Kate's capable of anything.
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So just back down then? Don't enrage the beast? That's exactly how this all got to this point. Enough is enough! She beat those toddlers BECAUSE everyone cowered under her.
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I didn't agree that Jon should walk on eggshells around Kate. Quite the opposite. I hope the kids follow his lead.
I'm glad someone is finally stickng a sock in her gaping maw of a fame hole
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Just bringing this from the last thread, but I don't think I was quoting your post Auntie Ann.
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Your screen name says it all. Couldn't agree more
I just love that picture above of Jon. His face beams happiness. It even shows in his eyes. Nothing like fake smile Kate and her dead eyes.
I wish I could have seen the show. (I don't have dvr and had to work 12 hr shift overnight.) Maybe someday it will be reran.
I just think she was angry Jon got an interview. She probably tried to bag one herself and was turned down. Makes sense to me.
I have no problem with the kids' drawings shown on the wall. That has nothing to do with privacy. Kids love to see how proud their parents are by displaying artwork. Parents always put that stuff on fridges for everyone to see , but he has to put stuff on the walls too because there are so many kids. That comment up thread was silly.
We all saw what Jon was talking about with manners,etc. when the kids interacted with Clay, in the Time to Organize and RV episodes. And it's not bashing the kids, it is totally TFW's (non)parenting style that caused it (along with the constant filming). How many times have we heard her say that she just lets the kids work things out, she doesn't get involved. A parent HAS to get involved to facilitate "working things out". There have to be guidelines on how to treat each other. In the RV episode when Jamie tried to talk to TFW about an issue she was told to "control Clay".
Check out this clip starting at 4:50 or so. Oh, and part 3 shows an incredible amount of nastiness by TFW towards that poor woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc3edkX5kc0
"I didn't cheat on my wife"
Wow.
Perhaps after Twat Swap some of the kids told Jon how much they hated being filmed and having a stranger pretend to be their mother. If so, I wonder if his divorce attorney or a family attorney could deny Kate from using those kids in filming. They are certainly old enough to speak privately with a judge and state their concerns. Of course, I would be concerned about repercussions on those children by Kate. Things haven't worked out according to her grand scheming (filming the kids for years and years). Maybe that's why she has been hinting so much lately about how talented Mady is. The pressure must be intense.
@Kateplusmy8: Super fun day today!SO glad all my kids were home w me this weekend...ate lots of H candy, movie night&relaxed!
Now it's back to school..GN!
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How'd the pumpkin carving go?
Re: Jon saying the kids are developmentally delayed. What a difference in attitude between Jon and Kate . Jon is worried and concerned about it and I'm sure has talked to the school and maybe counselors, whereas Kate ENCOURAGES it. Look at all the dumb tweets she puts out there that make her kids sound like they're toddlers.
Robert Is A Scary Person said... 53
But...he WAS watching. He stood outside her fence and did just that. It's not metaphorical. It's based on his physical presence at the edge of her property.
Are you honestly saying that if someone who you know has picked through your trash and snapped pictures through your fence directed that comment at YOU, you wouldn't be freaked out by it?
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As a private citizen, yes, I would be creeped out.
I'd also be creeped out by paparazzi snapping pics of me at my local gas station or super market or my kids' bus stop. I'd be creeped out that complete strangers on Twitter ask to see pictures of my kids and want to know what I'm doing, where I'm going, and what I'm having for dinner.
All of that would creep me out because I chose to be a mediocre person, with mediocre kids, doing a mediocre job, making mediocre money.
Kate made herself a public figure (IMO actually a public spectacle, but I digress.) As a public figure/quasi-celebrity, she gives up some of the privacy expectation afforded to private citizens.
What's that old saying? Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it ... or something like that. It's always a two-sided coin. You have to give up something to get something else.
Apparently to Kate, privacy is not too dear a price to pay for publicity - and with publicity, the negative comes with the positive.
Off to my mediocre job :-) Happy Monday everyone! Go Colts!
An observation....what seemed to distress him now and at the time of the divorce was that his children weren't growing up the way he grew up. Says a lot about how positively he must view his childhood years.
Whereas it seems to be of the utmost importance to TFW that the kids NOT grow up the way she did.
You know...living under a bridge, eating out of garbage cans, walking 10 miles to school, uphill both ways, in 3 feet of snow, doing homework by a single candle for all of them, with one piece of charcoal, rags for clothes, newspapers for shoes, sleeping on a piece of cardboard, beatings for no reason, abusive parents and siblings. And the worst of it? She never got to travel *anywhere*.
I thought Jon's interview was good. Jon was given a couple of minutes to speak for himself after years of TFW casting a negative light on him. He came across as a pragmatic individual who has his children's best interests at heart. In addition, he was delivering a message about the negative impact of children being put in the pressure cooker of "reality" tv.
He showed that he can speak very well when given the chance to do so without being mocked.
I wish I could have seen the show. (I don't have dvr and had to work 12 hr shift overnight.)
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Some Comcast customers can pull it up on the On Demand listings.
Midnight Sun said... 35
''No you don't see that at Kate's house. I think this was intrusive, personally. Now they're private, what happens at dad's stays at dad's is public. Wonderful.
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.''
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What exactly did he divulge about their lives that is sooo private? What did he expose? What secrets did he share? He has a story to tell, heed my warning-doing reality tv comes at a price. The kids paid dearly, he has paid dearly. He didn't betray the kids. He's showing us what has happened to his life and his kids' lives due to the choice HE and tfw made to put those kids on tv.
So we saw their artwork, we saw the cabin, we saw their clothes...we saw that he is making every effort to keep those kids grounded and give them a normal childhood. That they don't need the "mcmansion" and the trips, and the freebies etc. We all came here because of concern for the kids? This interview just reinforced to me that he is doing what we all want him to do. There-done. We now know for a fact that he is trying and we can put it to rest.
I don't have a problem with Jon saying that the kids emotional development was detrimentally affected because of the filming and I really doubt that any kids from their school were watching the program. Doubt that many of their parents were either. He is not on the radar except in places like this blog. In my opinion, the kids will thank him later for removing them from the situation of filming and speaking up to let other parents know how detrimental it is for children. Who else can say it better than a parent who has experienced it? It is no different than a parent speaking out about a child who has autism to help other parents cope. It is not to hurt the child, but to help other parents deal with their children and in turn help those children.
Also "tapping that ass" is very offensive and vulgar. If someone said that about me or my daughter, I would be pretty offended and would think that person who said it is a low class moron with no respect for women.
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I especially like Oprah's intro for him. No innuendo about being a deadbeat, not being present for his kids etc.. just how he's doing raising his kids as a 'SINGLE' father. Didn't ask about his love life, girlfriend, Ed Hardy etc...he was given the opportunity to be HIMSELF. Nothingn salacious or "tabloidy"
As far as the "I Love You" drawings, Jon has every right to show them off and be proud of them - just as every other parent in the world would.
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Jon's TV demeanor is so different than TFW's. Jon is self confident and he is who he is and if you don't like him, eh, so be it, he doesn't care because he knows who he is and he's a good person. TFW on the other hand, comes across as very nervous, no confidence, because she wants so very, very much to be loved by the interviewee and to be accepted. She knows she's not a likable person and it comes across in her interviews. She could take lessons from Jon.
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I think that if you are a person who is inclined to think well of Jon, you will think it was a good interview. You might even wish that his segment lasted longer.
If you are a person who feels that Jon shouldn't be given so much credit for altering his course of life, you will find fault with some of the information he shared.
I thought he seemed introspective about the past and settled in the present.
I did not hear any anger oozing from between his words. He used phrases like "revenue stream" and spoke a level above any Kate response.
I find it very easy to believe that they are on totally different pages about everything.
I saw no reason to PITY him.
Jon said he lives on 30 acres of woods, surrounded by even more woods. We know dirt roads lead to his cabin. What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time? I also can see why he arms himself, as he really is isolated out there..
Sorry, I'm a little behind, but did this Mickey commenter refer to Robert as wanting to tape or tap TFW's ass? Either one sounds disgusting, but was the tape use referring to the stick up TFW's ass so it couldn't fall out?
I'm not against Jon by any means; I think he is the far better parent. I was disturbed that he mentioned the kids have so many social problems. I felt sad for him and the children.I just wish he put his foot down sooner about the show. I feel he did enable Kate.
Anyone have a link for the full interview?
Winsomeone, TFW is isolated on lots of land too. And that big, long driveway of hers...I wonder who digs her out in the winter?
. What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time? I also can see why he arms himself, as he really is isolated out there..
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Well, this is how much of rural America lives. In my neck of the woods growing up you didn't wait for the city to plow you out or you'd be waiting days. You went over to Home Depot and bought your own snow plow and did it yourself. Many people also attach a plow to the front of their trunk. It's doable and happens every winter across the north.
Also 30 acres is really not THAT much. I've seen much more rural areas.
Terri said... 30
I was so happy to see that when the kids visit Jon's house it looks like a loving, fun, and relaxed environment. I especially liked the kids drawings hung on the walls with pride. Has anyone here EVER seen that in Kates house
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Nope, at TFW's house all their projects and pictures go straight in the trash.
I understand what Jon was saying about the kids not developing normally due to TV. They were being fed a warped view of reality, and that's not healthy. They were given everything, made into media spectacles, and how could they figure out how the world really works with all that going on? These are kids who, at age 7, said they wanted servants, were never held accountable for their behavior, bullied others. Even now, in Kate Couric's brief clip--it was only a few minutes, but Cara and Collin seemed miserable, many of them were fighting, Hannah was spitting on a sibling. And their mother, as always, was oblivious. They only needed to get a few minutes of usable footage, and that's all they could get? There are serious problems in that house, no question. If the kids continue in reality TV until adulthood, as TFW desires, what happens then? Spending their entire lives treated like little rock stars, and then what? It wouldn't continue into their adult years, and they wouldn't know how to cope with normal "mediocre" lives. Jon is right, they needed to get off of TV and learn how to be normal. He was making an observation about reality TV's affect on kids that really needed to be said.
In my opinion, the kids will thank him later for removing them from the situation of filming and speaking up to let other parents know how detrimental it is for children. Who else can say it better than a parent who has experienced it? It is no different than a parent speaking out about a child who has autism to help other parents cope. It is not to hurt the child, but to help other parents deal with their children and in turn help those children.
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100% agree especially the analogy to autism or anything that affects your child. Jon's children will someday want to know what he did to help them, and not only will he be able to say Dad took you off T.V., but he will also be able to say Dad warned others. To a grown child who may be bitter and resentful about their childhood, knowing their story warned others may be of tremendous comfort. He has to think about what he will say to them in 10 years. The choices he makes today are important when that day comes.
An observation....what seemed to distress him now and at the time of the divorce was that his children weren't growing up the way he grew up. Says a lot about how positively he must view his childhood years.
Whereas it seems to be of the utmost importance to TFW that the kids NOT grow up the way she did.
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Yes, great observation. And yet I've always gotten the feeling that both Jon and Kate in actuality grew up very similarly. I never heard that Jon got a ton of trips or lavish opportunities. He sounds like a local boy involved in local activities like soccer and having an all-American lifestyle.
Jon and Kate clearly have fundamental differences in values. This marriage was destined to fail especially when it came to making the decisions that need to be made for the kids. If it wasn't filming they spat over, it would have been something else. This is a real shame. Child rearing and the kind of lifestyle each parent wants for the kids is an important pre-marriage discussion.
If one parent says I want them to have everything on a "golden" platter, you might ask what they mean by that and see whether that comports with what you want. If one parent says I just want them to grow up like I did, ask what that means exactly. I think they were too young and immature.
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Deflection. She made it seem like she was pissed that the change in plans dumped the kids on her this weekend. Oops, now she has to put it out there how glad she was this worked out. What a change in tune. She must have read somewhere that she was sounding pissed about Jon in L.A.
What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time? I also can see why he arms himself, as he really is isolated out there..
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Like anyone else who lives in similar place. His situation is not unique,many people choose to live in the woods. You have a contract with a plowing company or self employed person with a plow on their truck.
Tomorrow, next year, when they're 40....they'll see it someday. Sadly. They'll see it all someday. Both their mother's and father's interviews.
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Maybe. I mean I've been around adult kids of celebrities and they don't seem to have any interest in digging up old interviews given by their parents that they were in, or old magazine covers, or a couple of them had cameos in films, or whatever. They are in their 20's and 30's and they just want to live their lives now, they don't CARE. Do most children constantly ask what their parents said about then when they were 10? No. Even if they do have an unusual interest and dig it up 10 years from now, as I said, they may feel relieved that some good came out of what they went through in the form of dire warnings to others.
I think if they are damaged from filming Jon has a moral obligation to warn others. And for all we know he discussed this with his children and why he felt it was important to share their story. They are well old enough to have such discussions. What his kids WILL ask is what did you do, Dad? Well, this is what he did.
I have noticed on the clips from CWS and KC that the kids do seem a bit snooty if not rude and disrespectful. However with a little attention that facade breaks down. They have always fought amongst themselves, physically and verbally.TFW chooses to ignore it. I hope they behave better at school- if they don't on camera, who knows...? With the mother they have as an example of how to talk to & treat others and behave in private as well as public, it's no wonder.I don't think it's just from being on the show.
Winsomeone, TFW is isolated on lots of land too. And that big, long driveway of hers...I wonder who digs her out in the winter?
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Landscaping services often have snow plowing services as well. It's often written into home maintenance contracts. A few sweeps and they're done. Independent snow removal services are all over the place, and with a driveway like that to plow, it might be thirty dollars or so to open it up. It's not that expensive. We've been lucky the past few winters. There really wasn't anything to plow. In fact, I didn't have the shovel out last winter -- just some sweeps with the broom a few times. Now watch us really get hit this year!
I understand what Jon was saying about the kids not developing normally due to TV.
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And not only that, but maybe they couldn't fit in any type of therapy or counseling due to the contracts. When you're galavanting hither tither and yon, where are you going to squeeze in a weekly session?
Another thing is maybe he is trying to reach out to Kate to get her to cooperate with helping them. Maybe she has ignored his warnings that the children are damaged, and ignored his requests that she stop pursuing filming and get them help.
So spilling the beans on her and making it public the kids are damaged is his way of forcing her hand. He may spill even more if she doesn't wake up.
Like anyone else who lives in similar place.
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I kind of had to chuckle at that comment, then feel a bit offended. I guess city slickers don't realize it but a huge portion of America lives like this. We don't sit in our homes every time it snows saying oh dear I hope I get dug out by next week. You take care of it yourself, or have friends and family lined up to help. I liked growing up like this. It fostered a can-do attitude and an idea that I could not and should not rely on government for help, I can and should just do it myself. I'm perfectly capable and don't "need" the things that people have been conditioned to think they "need" from the government. Snow removal from the government is a luxury and convenience, not a need.
Also "tapping that ass" is very offensive and vulgar. If someone said that about me or my daughter, I would be pretty offended and would think that person who said it is a low class moron with no respect for women.
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I can hear guys in a bar, half loaded, making remarks about a woman they'd like to take home for a one-night stand, but for any woman to say it is just really bizarre (and crude).
Do most children constantly ask what their parents said about then when they were 10?
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I agree, most kids don't. But I have a feeling a few of those kids will be seeking therapy as adults and I'm sure these questions will come up. What I think will work to the benefit of "these" adult children (with a narcissist mother) is that they WILL have proof positive evidence of gaslighting, parental alienation, mental abuse, physical abuse, lying, deceiving, twisting their words and thoughts etc...she is the master of rewriting history. At least they can say "Nuh-uh! Just watch this interview, or this episode" And they can do the same for their dad.
Maybe she has ignored his warnings that the children are damaged, and ignored his requests that she stop pursuing filming and get them help.
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Maybe she just doesn't give a $#%@? Whoever posted a little while back about her hating any attention given to those kids? Same thing here.
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I kind of had to chuckle at that comment, then feel a bit offended. I guess city slickers don't realize it but a huge portion of America lives like this. We don't sit in our homes every time it snows saying oh dear I hope I get dug out by next week. You take care of it yourself, or have friends and family lined up to help. I liked growing up like this. It fostered a can-do attitude and an idea that I could not and should not rely on government for help, I can and should just do it myself. I'm perfectly capable and don't "need" the things that people have been conditioned to think they "need" from the government. Snow removal from the government is a luxury and convenience, not a need.
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That's the point I was making, I didn't mean to offend?
He just "does" get out, like ALL people who live on rural property.
Sorry Vanessa I meant the original comment was a bit offensive, not your follow up.
Dmasy 62 - Very well said. :-)
Admin, I think you bring up a good point that most people don't go back and ask their parents about things when they were 10 because most already remember that period of their lives.
I'm sure the kids have already asked Jon why he doesn't want them on tv like Mommy does. He's probably already shared his reasons with them, in a way they can understand. And they understand a lot, given that they are 9 now. They are old enough to observe the differences between their dad and mom and to comment on and question those differences.
Not only is it because they remember it but I think like these kids of celebrities that being on T.V. or their parent on T.V. talking about them is definitely not a novelty. It happens all the time. It's normal to them and rather boring.
It was funny, two of these kids once did cameos on a short lived Nickelodeon show. I watched it and then saw them a few days later and said oh my gosh guys you were great on there what did you think? Their response? Oh that aired the other day? We didn't see it. Uh, did anyone DVR it? Nope? Oh well.
I couldn't believe it, then I realized number one they were there so they didn't really need to see it again, and number two for them it just didn't have the same magic or novelty that it did for me.
This stuff isn't a novelty for them, they've been on T.V. many times. Jon's interview is just one of many and the Gosselins have been on T.V. since they were babies. I really doubt they find any of this interesting or will ever find it interesting. It's like Alison Arngrim famously said, because an adult would find it "fun" to be on T.V. they assume a child would feel the same.
I get the sense from them they are more interested in normal kid stuff, like any kid. Not on cataloguing every interview mom or dad ever give.
Now, I do think they will ask and may be asking already about their time on reality T.V.. I think they are old enough now to start having discussions. And part of that discussion may very well be Dad wants to talk to others about our experience on reality T.V. and the good and the bad parts, let's talk about how you feel about that. For all we know they find comfort in that and have no issue with it. They are not little kids any more who are not emotionally ready to give their input.
And yet I've always gotten the feeling that both Jon and Kate in actuality grew up very similarly.
I always had that impression, too. Or at least similar financial backgrounds. Although it's starting to appear that that the atmosphere in their two childhood homes were perhaps vastly different.
One seems like it was probably loving and nurturing...the other maybe not so much.
TFW *says* that she wants Jon's children to have the childhood she didn't have, but yet she is giving them the childhood she *did* have, the one she so desperately wants to get away from. Or at least the childhood she thought she had, which might be vastly different than reality.
Maybe she was living in an alternate reality even back then.
Here is his quote according to US Mag
"Yes, they got to travel the world, and yes, they got these fabulous things, and yes, they have trust funds, and they're taken care of educationally. Great," he continued. "But developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people, and they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what's right and what's wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV."
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Although I thought he said they HAD not they HAVE
I'm glad they have trust funds but Jon makes a good point what is the point of that if you are having difficulties in your life with other people?
I'm afraid he may be giving reality T.V. a bit too much credit. We know how Kate feels about wants and needs and I'm sure she has dramatically influenced how they perceive things like that, as well as how to treat people. A real shame.
I just love what he says here. How can you understand a want from a need when reality T.V. just dumped all these freebies on you without having to EARN them, and your mother just expects that is to continue without having to EARN it like everyone else? How dysfunctional, no wonder it distorted their world. I hope he can get them the help they need.
Here's another difference between Jon and Kate. Kate always says reality T.V. is good but never explains SPECIFICALLY why it is good or has any answer for all the criticism or is willing to make any reasonable concessions while still sticking to her view.
Jon in contrast admits some of the high points like the money and trips, but then goes into specific examples of why it's messed them up in terms of their interaction and perceptions. His argument is far and away much stronger because of the reasonable concessions and specific examples. He can talk circles around Kate in debate.
I have noticed on the clips from CWS and KC that the kids do seem a bit snooty if not rude and disrespectful. However with a little attention that facade breaks down. ....
With the mother they have as an example of how to talk to & treat others and behave in private as well as public, it's no wonder.I don't think it's just from being on the show.
I thought the same thing, that some of the kids seemed kind of snooty. And I also didn't think it was all from being on TV, I thought it was more from the behavior modeled for them by their mother.
Whereas Jon doesn't seem to have the snooty gene. I can imagine that that has caused a lot of conflict between Jon and TFW. He has no concept of why you would treat others like that, and she has no concept of why you wouldn't.
She drank the koolaid, and only wants more. He said the price of the koolaid is too high, I'm done with it.
"Winsomeone, TFW is isolated on lots of land too. And that big, long driveway of hers...I wonder who digs her out in the winter? "
Well, TFW is a millionaire, and can afford to hire someone to dig her out. Jon with waiter's wages, not so much I would think? Must be a hardship in the winter?
Mel, I tend to believe Kate's dad was strict. Whether that crossed the line to abuse I really don't know. I also think she was probably a real pill of a kid and teen, from what we've heard. If she is a narcissist, most likely she was like that as a child as well. They may have felt they HAD to be so strict with her because of her being out of control. They may have been in turmoil over he and her personality. They may have seen the personality traits but may not have known what to call it--they just knew it was not good. There are two sides to every story.
I think it's possible because the household was strict Kate stated to see her entire childhood as negative. Instead of learning to be happy with what she had and with local trips and events and friends and a nice school, instead of rushing off to Disney World every summer, she just got more resentful and full of contempt. Whereas another child might be perfectly happy and content with that kind of childhood. That's what she should really write a book about if she wants to sell books. She should write about her childhood honestly. It would be fascinating to see the progression of a narcissist from babyhood and what may or may not have influenced that.
Well, TFW is a millionaire, and can afford to hire someone to dig her out. Jon with waiter's wages, not so much I would think? Must be a hardship in the winter?
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If you buy a plow at Home Depot in the spring after winter season, you can usually get a great deal. I think ours was only a couple hundred bucks. I grew up in a very blue collar community and everyone had a plow. We did just fine. It's a built in expense. On the flip side, properties and other things are often much cheaper in rural areas. Sometimes water is free. You make up for minimal plowing expenses there. Some people even just made due with a 4.99 shovel. If you live in an area that only gets a really bad storm a few times a year, it's not that much of a hardship. Probably will take a couple hours but then it's cleared and you're good to go. The vast majority of snowfall in PA doesn't require a single shovel. You can just drive right over it. They don't usually get the kind of storms people farther north near the lakes get.
We saw them have trouble talking with people in Wife Swap. The boys especially were like silent robots.
I wonder if TFW tweets about their busy social life is her overcompensating.
Oh and if you go topiary 3 I think of the clip I posted you can see her in all her royal bitchiness. Eye rolling dismissive cold meanness. Clips like that are what I formed my opinion of her from. The organization lady said the kids could come down and learn to dress themselves and she said you have no idea how long it takes to dress 8 kids to go out in the winter. first of all the twins were like 10 so....and secondly it would take 1/8 the time if they all got dressed at once instead of one at a time. But then she couldn't be a marty.
@Kateplusmy8: Super fun day today!SO glad all my kids were home w me this weekend...ate lots of H candy, movie night&relaxed!
Now it's back to school..GN!
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Oh, of course, it was all SUPER fun. SUPER. And yes, how did that pumpkin carving go? Pretty sure no one was interested.
Jon did not throw his kids under a bus. His point was that tv filming had caused some problems with emotional development, and unlike his ex, he does not need to film that for the world to see. TFW did in the Katie Couric interview - the kids are not happy, squabble with each other, stuff like that. So it's wrong to say that - I see it as a comment about filming more than an indictment of his children. They are lucky to have at least one parent who understands normal. And while it is certainly none of my business, occasionally I wonder just when Jon woke and realized who he had married? TLC only hurried that inevitable split along.
And if the rags are picking up pieces of his interview and publishing them, it's going to be several more days of steaming mad on the Kompound. No one is going to want her rebuttal, because Jon's 10 whole minutes is THE rebuttal to several years of her outrageous crap. Enjoy the day, Kate. You too, Milo.
I wonder if at this point public school might be a better option for them especially when the younger kids hit middle school and when the twins hit high school--a good time to transition when everyone is transitioning. Maybe it would be better for them to be around kids of a more average socio-economic level. There is nothing wrong with their school but I think it's hard to teach kids about wants and needs when all the kids around them are doing ski trips and trips to Florida and things of that nature and iPhones and iPads and all that jazz. If that's not a lifestyle this family can afford anymore aren't they just keeping up with the Joneses at this point?
They can't continue to live the lifestyle of the rich kids. Unless a show magically appears, the money will run out. It seems kind of cruel to keep them in an environment when they can't really be a part of it and socially I don't know if it's helping them to get out of this sort of entitled attitude they seem to have. Again, nothing wrong with their school and I'm sure most kids there are just fine, I just think it's probably not the best place to shed entitlement issues.
I saw the interview and he prefaced the part about the kids having to make adjustments to their attitudes, habits, etc., by alluding to the fact that ALL kids have these issues as they mature, but the G8's are magnified by the fact that they are famous. He wasn't just picking on his own kids, or in the fans' eyes, picking on Kate. He didn't talk about the lawsuit, he didn't talk about Kate's life (even though several pictures of her on TV were shown), here merely said they have different parenting styles, wishes they had a different relationship, and wished her well in all she does. He did say that he is trying to find work in IT but is prevented because of the negative press. He was relatable and seems very content in life.
About the art - I was looking for the clip where the kids were making art for the family or play room and Kate picked the colors (so the color scheme would match the furnishings/paint) and if the kids tried to deviate, she got upset. I think those were framed. I couldn't find it but found this. I sort of get why you can't keep everything, but tossing the pile in the trash and then saying the perfect place!' really rubs me wrong. Not that it matters. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUIsuXI_3Uc
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I also live in a very rural area. We hire someone to plow our driveway. $50 a pop. It's really not a big deal to the people who live in those areas, they are used to it. If you don't have your own plow, you can hire it done reasonably.
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Jon in contrast admits some of the high points like the money and trips, but then goes into specific examples of why it's messed them up in terms of their interaction and perceptions. His argument is far and away much stronger because of the reasonable concessions and specific examples.
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I especially liked the point he made about not wanting the divorce to be filmed.
Can you imagine the closed door meetings about that? I can't even fathom what was coming out of her mouth to try and sway (force) him to keep the sham going.
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Sorry Vanessa I meant the original comment was a bit offensive, not your follow up.
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Jon in contrast admits some of the high points like the money and trips,
Which were good for the adults. Probably not so much for the kids, especially the younger ones. They're not even going to remember them.
And they didn't really get to have any fun on them anyway. Who takes their kids to the Crayola factory and then doesn't let them color. Who DOES that? Who takes their kids to make cupcakes for their birthday and then doesn't let them be eaten? Who takes their kids for ice cream and then doesn't let the kids run around on the grass?
It wasn't oh, let's enjoy this awesome thing we're getting to do together. It was hurry up, get to the next place, don't get dirty, don't let people 'look' at you, smile pretty for the camera, stand up straight, sit down, look left, look right, too bad if you're not interested in whatever, we're doin' it. All of us. Right now.
Too bad if Sarah Palin's dad is trying to show you a good time, and you're having a fabulous time with her family. I'm not having a good time, so we're all leaving. Right now.
Yeah, sounds like a real fun time to me. Not.
High school boys used to make a killing going around plowing driveways. They loved the opportunity. It was easy to line up a whole host of clients.
We would also get extra chore money if we shoveled everything off. It was good for us. Now that I live in a warm client, I'm actually pretty impressed with how we handled the snow. You just deal with it, get it done and move on, like you would deal with anything. Unless it's some major, major storm, you don't even think about it. I think I only have two or three storms that stick in my memory, one being that bad ice storm that was a winter wonderland but shut down school and everything for over a week. The rest is all just normal to me.
I didn't see the interview. Someone up thread used the term "developmentally delayed." Were those Jon's words, and also someone mentioned "so many social problems." Again, were those Jon's words or are the words people's interpretations of what Jon said?
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If you buy a plow at Home Depot in the spring after winter season, you can usually get a great deal. I think ours was only a couple hundred bucks. I grew up in a very blue collar community and everyone had a plow. We did just fine. It's a built in expense. On the flip side, properties and other things are often much cheaper in rural areas. Sometimes water is free. You make up for minimal plowing expenses there. Some people even just made due with a 4.99 shovel. If you live in an area that only gets a really bad storm a few times a year, it's not that much of a hardship. Probably will take a couple hours but then it's cleared and you're good to go. The vast majority of snowfall in PA doesn't require a single shovel. You can just drive right over it. They don't usually get the kind of storms people farther north near the lakes get. "
I live near Lake Erie, so guess I was thinking about the snow we get dumped onto us..not the past couple of winters though. Also, in the gun incident articles, it made it sound like there were miles of dirt roads to get to his house? Maybe he's not so far from the main roads in reality? Plus waiters most likely make $8 an hour or less..my niece does anyway, and not much left over for extras of any sort.
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Winsomeone, TFW is isolated on lots of land too. And that big, long driveway of hers...I wonder who digs her out in the winter?
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Well......mr snowplowman ofcourse :-)
I've altered my view on Jon's comments regarding their socialization, or lack, therof. His words came from a place of concern and love, as many of you pointed out here. He was speaking honestly, with no drama, of how their lives have been impacted, both my television and, by extension TFW. I know, too, that if any of the kids were to ask him what he meant, he would take the time to explain, with compassion and love.
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Exactly FRP. I think we all get that you can't keep it all. But she takes pleasure in being nasty to them. They're her punchline. She thinks she's funny at their expense.
And as far as the money goes, so what. Most young people can't handle trust funds anyway. Some of them I'm sure will probably not be able to handle it and blow it all before they're 25.
If they're speaking of college, you set up 529 accounts the day they are born and from that day on ask anyone who ever wants to give them something to contribute to that. In 18 years in an aggressive portfolio they'll have a nice little nest egg, especially if they got in when stocks were on sale in the recession. Beyond that, Stafford and PLUS loans have rock bottom interest rates, there are numerous grants to be had for large families, and they can go to their excellent state school system which is highly subsidized. Cara is in a unique sport, she might even be able to get a scholarship and play lacrosse. Other kids could get academic scholarships. College would have been fine without the reality show. Just fine. Heck it might have even taught the kids a little bit about saving and how to make what seems like a daunting situation (eight kids) work anyway. The irony is having more kids probably will put them in a better situation for college than less kids.
No Tweet, he did not say they were developmentally "delayed."
He said "Developmentally, they have problems." Huge difference.
Doesn't Jon rent his place? Sometimes the landlord provides any needed snowplowing. Especially if it's not needed that often.
What they showed of his property looked so peaceful and calm. A great place for kids. Especially kids in need of peace.
I live near Lake Erie, so guess I was thinking about the snow we get dumped onto us..not the past couple of winters though.
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Well that's lake effect snow. That's a different ballgame. Nonetheless hundreds of thousands of people near the Great Lakes live in rural areas and make it work. They live in southern PA, which doesn't even begin to touch the kind of snow the lake areas get. When I moved there I was shocked at how little snow they got. Truly in shock. I had no idea other areas in the north did get the kind of snow I grew up with. I kept waiting for "winter" and when spring came I was thinking, that's IT???
I'm sure Jon would not move to an area in which he was not perfectly capable of digging himself out from should a big storm hit once in awhile. I don't think we need to worry.
Just wondering ...if clips were shown of Kate, does she get paid because they are using her image?
Also I feel a lot of this "speaking out " right now is to unload some of the guilt maybe he feels. Just guessing of course.
I changed my avatar. That is snow removal in the mid-west. One -- but not the only -- reason we are retiring to Texas!
As Admin said, you do what you gotta do.
That's hubby bundled up in the cold and plowing snow. We don't have close neighbors. So, he drives the mile square and does the driveways of others.
It all works out.
"Well that's lake effect snow. That's a different ballgame. Nonetheless hundreds of thousands of people near the Great Lakes live in rural areas and make it work. They live in southern PA, which doesn't even begin to touch the kind of snow the lake areas get. When I moved there I was shocked at how little snow they got. Truly in shock. I had no idea other areas in the north did get the kind of snow I grew up with. I kept waiting for "winter" and when spring came I was thinking, that's IT???
I'm sure Jon would not move to an area in which he was not perfectly capable of digging himself out from should a big storm hit once in awhile. I don't think we need to worry. "
I live in a small town, but it's still fairly rural, and of course we manage to dig ourselves out each winter..never said we couldn't. But, if you are on a fixed income, or make minimum wages, it certainly is a hardship. Having the driveway plowed at $50 a pop hits me hard. And no, high school boys don't shovel or plow snow much any more. No one hires out to rake leaves either. Or mow lawns. Yes, nurseries do all of that, but the cost for it in our area is a bit too steep for my pocket. I wasn't criticizing Jon, just being curious, but feel I have been jumped on because some might have thought so...have also been called names in the recent past, when I did criticize him a bit. Have been here since the beginning, and it didn't used to be this way here. Used to be both sides could be heard equally. Now, not so much. Not so much discussion at times, just praise Jon or else.
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No Tweet, he did not say they were developmentally "delayed."
He said "Developmentally, they have problems." Huge difference.
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Thanks. I didn't think Jon would say that and yes, there's a huge difference.
This is one reason I'm turning against interviews and especially a movie. People hear one thing, interpret it another way and soon people are saying something that's morphed into something hurtful and wasn't what the person interviewed said at all.
I watched the show. Did anyone else notice in the photo that was shown of the 6, Collin stood about a foot away from the other 5 and he looked away from the camera. He looked sad and detached from the rest. He and the other girl at the opposite end (wasn't sure if that was Alexis) looked quite unhappy. Weren't they the two that had the issues in school? That photo was quite telling IMO.
Also, when Jon said the kids were given things which worked negatively against them, I was thinking about Kate yammering in their ears, "don't you miss the trips? If we filmed again, we could have all that stuff again!!". What else could it be? She is so emotionally stunted it's scary. For Kate, it will always be about more TV time equals a great life for her kids.
I think a bigger issue with the school 'lifestyle' is not so much that the kids do not have the money to compete with the vacations their peers take but more that they live with a woman who refuses to spend that kind of of money on the unless it is being comped, or they are being filmed. She HAS money for lessons, and trips, but she won't do it, she simply will not. So it is TFW who keeps them out of those loops. She has no real nterest in their education or development, she pays the $$$ to the private school and expects them to do her job. And while the kids might be more comfortable in a public school, they would get more less academic attention, and with a mother who refuses to be their advocate, they would suffer. Do you see Kate as a classroom volunteer, attending PTA meetings, going on field trips? In a public school atmosphere, you really have to be a much more involved parent. And yes, I knew parents who took their vacation days from work to do all that. Given their mother, they really are better off in private schools.
US Magazine has a blurb on the interview:
"Yes, they got to travel the world, and yes, they got these fabulous things, and yes, they have trust funds, and they're taken care of educationally. Great," he continued. "But developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people, and they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what's right and what's wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV."
http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/jon-gosselin-denies-cheating-on-kate-gosselin-says-kids-have-problems-developmentally-2013411?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
So far I'd say most of the comments are negative.
TFW wasn't dressing the kids in well known clothes initially until they became famous. And all the children's clothing was purchased by TCL for the shows and that's why she didn't want a single stain on the childrens' clothing so she could sell them in the consignment store. And when all this ended she had to cry the blues about the cost of clothes for her children. According to TFW she only buys cheap clothes for her kids now. I don't believe it. She's grifted everything including clothing and coupons from so many, I don't believe her kids are wanting for clothing. Plus, I believe she has the money to buy them clothes if they need it.
Also all her fussing about saving money for lunches is a joke. If you can send 8 children to private school and can afford the tuition, you can certainly afford to purchase or send them a substantial lunch without all the drama involved in packing a lunch for these kids. If you can't afford it, then find a cheaper school or relocate and enroll the kids in a public school where no one really cares who they are or who TFW is.
If TFW has a landscaping service, which I believe she does, then there is a good chance, they also provide a plowing service.
I think TFW's problem with her property is not being plowed out, but with several loaded freezers and no back up generator system, it would cost her a lot more if she doesn't at this time have something installed in case of a power outage. Maybe she wised up after last year and has remedied this situation, but who knows if she took care of this potential costly problem.
As far as I'm concerned, those children EARNED their tuition.
I am in prime lake effect country off of Lake Ontario. We will the Snowball Trophy for upstate NY every year. Luckily, we live about 10 minutes from the worst of it.
We just shovel, plow or snow blow and then rise and repeat every 2 to 3 hours during a lake event. You just do it. I personally prefer to shovel. But sometimes the 3 car wide/3 car deep driveway with 3 feet of snow is daunting!
We also own Jeeps, in which I can blast my way through most snow drifts in the morning before work.
Jon could contract for a season (which is actually cheaper) or roll the dice and do a per-plow contract. Here, plows only clear the driveways if we get over 3 inches of snow.
Winsomeone, I certainly didn't take your question as anything more than a genuine wondering of how rural areas handle snow. I shared our mid-west way. Sorry if it seemed argumentative.
My hubby is blessed with farm equipment. He takes care of the neighbors "near" our home. He wouldn't consider asking for payment. (Though one lady has baked chocolate thank you offerings.)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 11m
@Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
Milo hates Jon with a passion. Why would she even watch this other than to find something to criticize him about and rub salt in Kate's wounds? Glorifying himself? He did the opposite! He showed how happy he is with a simple life off the camera. Milo is so far up Kate's butt that she'll never see the light of day.
And why the world would she tweet this to Kate? I'm sure Kate saw the interview and knows exactly what Jon said.
I'll keep defending Jon as long as he continues to come across as heartfelt and honest in interviews. There's honesty and life in his eyes that is sadly missing in Kate's. He is truly concerned about his children's welfare; Kate is truly concerned with how much money she can rake in by using them.
Unless one's head is firmly buried in the sand, there is no way you cannot see it.
Fired Up 4 Kate@MiloandJack24m
@Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
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OMG. There are just NO words.
I wasn't criticizing Jon, just being curious, but feel I have been jumped on because some might have thought so...have also been called names in the recent past, when I did criticize him a bit. Have been here since the beginning, and it didn't used to be this way here. Used to be both sides could be heard equally. Now, not so much. Not so much discussion at times, just praise Jon or else.
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I might have taken it as a criticism of Jon, but let's be honest, most of your posts are critical of him. Most debates here, at least about Jon.
are mature and respectful, I don't recall anyone calling you names? But I get what you're saying, when your post gets picked apart and dissected. Kinda hurts, so sorry if I offended you :)
LAlalalala: I agree with you. Kate, has fallen into that slot of, I can't believe my kids are growing up , they are not babies anymore. Notice how Kate always refers to the kids as littles, she always has them watch DVD of themselves as little kids. It's like Kate is stuck in a time loop. That is probably cause, that was the height of the show. Kate is the one who can't move forward/on. I don't know of anyone who constantly shows pics or videos/DVD's home movies of their kids when they were little to their kids as a brain washing thing, of the way we were. The past is the past, looking at pic once in a while is OK, or once a year. Not constant as Kate has said. Didn't Kate say something recently about, putting pics of the kids around the house of when they were younger, to remind them on how they were and acted back then, to change their current behavior. I never heard if such a goofy way of, getting kids to behave, with pics. Most kids would say: that was then, this is now. Kate has issues with her kids growing up, and her getting old.
When Jon mentioned that the kids have issues with wanting things, and thinking they are entitled to have things, that is a Kate & TLC doing. Jon is dealing with big issues, with the kids. Kate is countering his every move with the kids, and most likely filling their heads with all kinds of crap about their Dad, so they will have to choose. Shame on Kate. It is enough the kids have to go through the crap about being on TV, what both of their parents have done, especially Kate of recent, then the divorce itself, then treasing at school, not to mention the moody swings Kate goes through with them. Now Kate is most likely playing mind games/trying to pit the parent against parent, with kids in middle, and making them choose. Your dad is this, your dad is that, your dad can't give you this or that, etc. Kate has become vindictive and out to get even. SHAME! SHAME ON HER!
And no, high school boys don't shovel or plow snow much any more. No one hires out to rake leaves either. Or mow lawns. Yes, nurseries do all of that, but the cost for it in our area is a bit too steep for my pocket
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We're lucky! They do here. We always have knocks on our doors after a snowfall...kids looking to make money. In fact, last evening I had a young lad approach me when I pulled out of the driveway, asking me if I wanted our leaves raked. Ten dollars for the job. You can't beat that! Same with "mower boys." They come around and give you an estimate, and there's never a shortage of them!
I wasn't criticizing Jon, just being curious,
I hear you, Winsome. It was just an innocent question, IMO. You didn't mean to start a firestorm! I did that a few weeks ago. An innocent observation, and woah! did people go off on me.
I think it's a perfectly interesting observation...paying someone to plow is expensive! Especially on a waiter's wages. And a long driveway. Although it's probably manageable if it doesn't snow heavily that often.
I took it in the spirit in which it was intended...a humorous observation. No ill will intended. Carry on.
There is nothing wrong with their school but I think it's hard to teach kids about wants and needs when all the kids around them are doing ski trips and trips to Florida and things of that nature and iPhones and iPads and all that jazz. If that's not a lifestyle this family can afford anymore aren't they just keeping up with the Joneses at this point?
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Not all of their peers take ski trips and Caribbean vacations. There are quite a few whose parents can't afford a lavish lifestyle...kids who are on financial aid, probably more than one would imagine. You'd be surprised. I don't believe, though, that Kate is at that point yet. The money's there -- she just doesn't want to spend it if there's the possibility that freebies will be thrown her way.
On the K+8 FAQ show, TFW said she had a full-time cleaner, babysitter and people to do lawn work. "It's called survival" she said. How nauseating.Even last year she said she had homework helpers and shower-time helpers, pool boys,lawn boys, part-time babysitter, and we know about Katherine.
I agree, Admin. The kids 'want' so many things because their peers are also rich kids for the most part. I wonder if they look down on the wardrobe Jon has provided, for example? If the twins don't visit much, that's sad if it's a petty reason like that- just wondering, not presuming.
Pam Anderson said 'OUCH!' after completing the NYC marathon and needed bags of ice & a bed to lay down. BIG CONTRAST from TFW's fresh-faced appearance at the finish line.
Suzy
Fired Up 4 Kate@MiloandJack24m
@Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
Dear Milo,
Since we know you read hear, let me just say you are a foolish and stupid woman ( if that). And clearly not a friend of Kate as you would like the world to believe. This tweet just serves to prove what a passive-aggressive person you are. And seriously, you need professional help to explain why your fascination with living life on Twitter is not a good idea. Take your girlfriend with you, maybe you can get a twofer on the consult.
Sincerely,
And why the world would she tweet this to Kate? I'm sure Kate saw the interview and knows exactly what Jon said.
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Because she's in love with Kate, wants to get on her good side offering her support and encouragement, commiserating with her about that nasty, vile, deplorable ex, showing how much she identifies with Kate and her hatred of Jon, and because she's nuts.
See, that latest tweet of Milo's makes me think again that this is someone who actually doesn't like Kate and is poking her. This thing ALWAYS makes sure Kate is aware of the negative things being said about her. Always! Sure, it slobbers and fawns over her, and communicates with the other fans, but I have often wondered if it's just to keep in the loop and/or from being blocked. Zingers never fail to be delivered, whether passive-aggressive or outright. And responses are rarely given. WHY would it wait until almost lunchtime the next day to tweet this, when the interview was last night?
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Just as expected! Thar she blows! Goody is off on her hate rant, and a little bit more vile than usual. She and Milo make wonderful bedfellows, don't you think?
We're lucky! They do here. We always have knocks on our doors after a snowfall...kids looking to make money.
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Same here. Boys as young as elementary school go door to door with their shovels after a snowstorm. My nephews have quite a lawn mower business going too. They are 11 and 14
Hahaha local toxic. Good grief I hate my iPhone
Fired Up 4 Kate@MiloandJack24m
@Kateplusmy8 Deplorable, ur EX ..who claims 2want privacy gave yet another interview glorifying himself & threw ur kids "under the bus"! :(
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Milo seems to take a lot of pleasure in antagonizing the situation. A tweet like that is just fueling the fire. TFW doesn't need friends like that. She's unstable as it is, and being enabled by someone who is probably equally off balance in the head isn't going to help her.
You'd almost think Jon was Milo's ex.
Sorry if this has been linked before.
HuffPost article about the OWN episode with the producers who did the interviews. The woman who interviewed Jon in person has nothing but great things to say about him.
Normal guy.
Very nice.
Understands why he's living "off the grid", so to speak.
Wants to clear up misconceptions about him and get ahead of the story, for once, so that maybe he'll be taken seriously in the IT industry again. The tv show sort of derailed his resume.
Really positive, so I'm calling this a big win for Jon. His honesty is beyond refreshing. No BS spin, unicorn farts.
I think it's possible because the household was strict Kate stated to see her entire childhood as negative. Instead of learning to be happy with what she had and with local trips and events and friends and a nice school, instead of rushing off to Disney World every summer, she just got more resentful and full of contempt
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In Robert's book, there is an email that one of Kate's sisters sent to her, reaching out trying to reconnect in a loving way.
Absolutely no negativity about their childhood-- just very fond memories that she shared with Kate.
You just have to wonder about the sheeple and how their brains are wired. Here was a father who saw what was happening with his children when they were exposed to cameras and the media, and he pulled the plug to stop it, knowing that money for him would stop flowing in and he'd have to go back to a "mediocre" lifestyle. It didn't matter to him, though, because he was doing what he believed to be best for his kids.
Sheeple, for some reason, see him as the villain. They can't process it, can't think it through logically because in their eyes he's the bad guy in all of this. It interrupted Kate's plans for a grandiose lifestyle. Never mind the kids. Fans don't care about them. They want them back on television regardless if it's not in the best interest of the children. It's all about Kate, her wants, her desires, her expectations and entitlement. For sheeple, it really is a cult thing, isn't it? Kids be darned. What a sad commentary. I'm also wondering how many of them had very bad experiences with male figures in their lives, and some of this may be transference (as in Goody's case).
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Hahaha local toxic. Good grief I hate my iPhone
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That is funny. Where does iPhone come up with this stuff? lol!
Filming, I am sure, contributed to the kids' behavior and developmental issues, but being raised by a narcissist has to be an issue too.
Not surprised the kids feel entitled. Their mother does. And having raised a teenage daughter and son, I can predict ugly behavior will erupt if they don't get their way. Plus, Kate plays favorites. I'd say that family has a recipe for disaster unless there is some counseling now.
Just wondering ...if clips were shown of Kate, does she get paid because they are using her image?
IF fees are paid for using clips of TFW the fees go to the network the clips came from. TFW wouldn't see a cent.
Winsome (63) "What I want to know, is who the heck digs him out in the winter time?"
Winsome, I don't think we were trying to pick on you. You asked a question, and people who thought knew the answer started to offer different explanations. I almost did myself before you wrote that you knew what being snowbounded was all about. Before that, I genuinely thought that maybe you live in a mild climate area and that you did not realize how a snowstorm is not a that big a deal when you're used to getting them.
localyocul said... 48
Check out this clip starting at 4:50 or so. Oh, and part 3 shows an incredible amount of nastiness by TFW towards that poor woman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc3edkX5kc0
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Oh man, anyone else think, "how do they have this much stuff?!?" I'm sorry, but struggling-to-survive people do NOT have that much stuff, even with 8 kids. Yikes!
All That Jazz said... 143
It's all about Kate, her wants, her desires, her expectations and entitlement. For sheeple, it really is a cult thing, isn't it? Kids be darned.
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You said it. Kids? What kids?
And to think...some day those sheeple will be old enough to vote. Scary.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 119
US Magazine has a blurb on the interview:
So far I'd say most of the comments are negative.
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Did TFMJG mobilize the sheeple? Can you have 'sock' commenters?
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I might have taken it as a criticism of Jon, but let's be honest, most of your posts are critical of him. Most debates here, at least about Jon.
are mature and respectful, I don't recall anyone calling you names? But I get what you're saying, when your post gets picked apart and dissected. Kinda hurts, so sorry if I offended you :) "
Nope, doesn't hurt, just really eye opening. A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period. Yes, I have been called names..a Kate lover, a troll, a person who drops by only to shit stir, and a troll. I have never called any one a name for liking Jon, and didn't expect to be called names if I am not wild about him. I had thought it was a place where both sides of an issue could be expressed..I won't make that mistake again. Ex-nurse was shamefully jumped on for expressing her opinion about Jon too.
Jon didn't throw anyone under the bus, he stated the OBVIOUS to anyone who has been watching this saga.
How many times has it been brought up here that Kate's tweets about the 'cutesy' things her kids say are infantile in comparison to their chronological age.
It was all over the tabloids that two kids had to leave school due to poor behavior. We saw how they treated each other and family friends on television.
Her tweets show that the youngest six are treated as a pack. Like none of them have any interests outside of one another.
For heaven sake, they were in high chairs and using sippy cups for far too many years! She dollops their food servings onto their plates and as of a year or so ago, was still cutting up their pancakes for them!
At least he's concerned enough to acknowledge that there ARE problems. Kate is not only ignoring the problems, she appears to be encouraging them.
When she's called out (tabloids/Jamie/Robert) it's deflect and deny. 'Her' kids are perfectly happy little angels living in the perfect little world she has created for them.
It amazes me that this has played out for so long and she nor Jon has been ordered to take parenting classes. (Here is where I cross my fingers that she goes through with this lawsuit and undergoes deposition.)
That whole family should have had court ordered counseling and those kids should have had a court appointed guardian ad litem from the get go of all this drama!
Rant over :-)
I wish I saw more of the youth oriented business (lawn mowing, snow shoveling, etc.) out here. I live in a nice neighborhood with a mix of blue and white collar families - pretty solidly middle class - and there are lots of middle and high school kids in our area but gardening is something people hire out around here for whatever reason. I wonder if that's a west coast vs Midwest/east coast phenomenon
Milo is absolutely infuriating...I try to take comfort in the fact shes only one wacko who feels this way..most of the general public knows what Kates about ...Thank You God...You're always going to have some nutcase out there defending a low life like Kate. Someone who thinks they know whats going on behind closed doors. Look how many women adore Scott Peterson...Unfortunately they ARE out there. But MAN..she really is off the charts...She cannot deviate form thinking that Kates the "good guy" and Jons the" bad guy". I would guess that she has very low intelligence..poor thing..
Localyocul said... 94
We saw them have trouble talking with people in Wife Swap. The boys especially were like silent robots.
I wonder if TFW tweets about their busy social life is her overcompensating.
Oh and if you go topiary 3 I think of the clip I posted you can see her in all her royal bitchiness. Eye rolling dismissive cold meanness. Clips like that are what I formed my opinion of her from. The organization lady said the kids could come down and learn to dress themselves and she said you have no idea how long it takes to dress 8 kids to go out in the winter. first of all the twins were like 10 so....and secondly it would take 1/8 the time if they all got dressed at once instead of one at a time. But then she couldn't be a marty.
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And re-watching, you can see how much TLC protected TFW. The organization woman said in the nicest way possible, "It was great working with TFW. She was very decisive. Sometimes too decisive, in that she didn't want to take our advice, but in the end, I think she came around."
Basically, what they wanted to say was "this was a waste of our time. We're TFW's slaves, hired help to empty and move boxes. She's telling us what to do instead of listening to us as the experts. But we can't say that or we'll never get free advertising on a show again."
Thanks Suzee....for info..
Hoosier 151...loved your rant.
Okay, I have to laugh at this snow plow talk. Winesome, I know you said you don't understand, but trust it from the plenty of people who have already posted and live or have lived near these areas, it really is par-for-the-course.
I know plenty of people who live in rural areas that have regular dumps of snow (rural Maine and New Hampshire). They either own a plow or get someone they know to plow them out. The rural areas are usually communities as well, where community people take care of their own, including the rural roads that belong to the city but the city doesn't plow. It's just what you do. It's not a big expense, it's not a "oh no, how am I going to pay for this?", people figure it out and if they can't figure it out, usually the neighbors will help out and you pay it back to them with other favors. I'm sure Jon's fine. Never heard him complain about it so why worry about it?
US Magazine has a blurb on the interview:
So far I'd say most of the comments are negative.
Half are from someone who never watched an episode of the show and the other are from ppl arguing about rumors of things Jon supposedly did 4+ years ago. smh at the gullibility of some of the people who comment on the tab stories and who know nothing about the real story.
This article and the new one at RadarOnline completely ignore and avoid dealing with any concern about the harm reality tv may have done to the kids. They're of course shooting the messenger rather than being concerned about the message.
It amazes me that this has played out for so long and she nor Jon has been ordered to take parenting classes.
I agree that both parents should have been ordered to take parenting classes (in addition to the piddly one all parents are required to take by the state) as well as undergo some kind of family counseling. They definitely needed help dealing with the divorce as well as the special circumstances w/this family -- but we don't know that they haven't done so.
I'm praying that they DID take them and that, no matter how big or small the issues, that some things did improve for the kids.
In Robert's book, there is an email that one of Kate's sisters sent to her, reaching out trying to reconnect in a loving way.
Absolutely no negativity about their childhood-- just very fond memories that she shared with Kate.
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Just curious, since I didn't manage to get the book before it was pulled- what was tfw's response to the email?
TLC stinks said... 145
Filming, I am sure, contributed to the kids' behavior and developmental issues, but being raised by a narcissist has to be an issue too.
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I know this is going to sound harsh, but I think that the kids were always destined to have problems, filming or no. You can't be raised by a NPD and come out healthy on the other side. It's not really possible, or at least it's VERY rare.
I mean look at what we saw on the show. She leaves them alone, lets them hit each other, lets them physically fight with each other, as long as they are out of her way she could care less what they're doing or to whom. They were not told how to act in any consistent manner, they were not given the social training they need for the real world. When she's the one they are around for most of the day, and that's the environment they mainly grow up in, no matter what Jon did when he got home they were going to end up wild, self-serving, and survivalist.
I'm almost glad they divorced, because when they're with him he'll lay down the law and help them work things out. Every minute they spend with TFW is another minute that's destroying any chance for surviving the real world.
Now, Jon's right in that filming didn't help. They learned if they did what their mother said on cue and in front of cameras they got free toys, free stuff, attention, all sorts of positive reinforcement for the wrong things. A kid can grow up normal in that, but they need positive reinforcement for the RIGHT things too, and a lot of it, and they're not getting that with TFW. I feel sad for them, but they might make it out okay in the end, if they realize their mother's problems soon enough and get therapy.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/time-toronto-called-military-battle-snow-eternity-mockery-164016884.html
All this talk of snow brought back memories from when the Toronto mayor called in the army. It still is a national joke
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A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period.
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Um no, have to disagree there. This board is like life. If you have a party to celebrate Obama's re-election and you, as a Romney supporter, show up and voice your opinion, you have to expect people to react. (I am seriously not trying to get political here, so no offense to anyone, it's just an example of a polarizing view.)
This is a forum where most of the posters are Jon supporters. You're the minority opinion (not the only opinion, there are others who don't care for Jon). Know that when you post these things, you're the minority opinion, and you're going to get opposing replies from posters. Simple as that. You can reply or let it roll off your back, depending on what you want to do.
Can you blame anyone for not always agreeing with you and do you really expect much different if you know most of the people in this forum disagree with you?
I just re-read my comment at #159 and noticed that it could be taken in a way I didn't intend. Just want to clarify that I was referring to some of the ppl's comments on the tabloid sites and not those who comment here when I said: "smh at the gullibility of some of the people who comment on the tab stories and who know nothing about the real story."
Nope, doesn't hurt, just really eye opening. A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period. Yes, I have been called names..a Kate lover, a troll, a person who drops by only to shit stir, and a troll. I have never called any one a name for liking Jon, and didn't expect to be called names if I am not wild about him. I had thought it was a place where both sides of an issue could be expressed..I won't make that mistake again. Ex-nurse was shamefully jumped on for expressing her opinion about Jon too.
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Well I've been accused of worse things here and I made about understanding why some posters choose to stop posting, just lurk or leave all together.
I've never ever called anyone names (except tfw, of course!)
Again, I apologize for jumping to conclusions regarding the snow talk. I get a little defensive with Jon because I can relate to what he was living with, I almost feel a kinship with him.
What I find fascinating is that OWN is a Discovery Network owned station with Ms O'Neill at the helm and she had to know Oprah was going to interview Jon. Perhaps the tide is turning for Jon and O'Neill sees Kate for the Spoiled Monster of a Woman besides an opportunist that is responsible for her own demise- with a little push from Discovery showing those tell all videos of Pizza Gate and Moose hot dogs. Maybe O'Neill is showing a little conscience for destroying Jon with kates help and is trying to make amends. Time will tell. In the meantime Jon has worked hard staying out of the limelight for a long time now. He sounds very mentally stable, grounded, responsible and the much better parent figurehead. I wouldn't mind seeing him on TV with the kids but we know how he feels about that. He is a very likeable guy though and very personable, great for tv. Maybe Eileen O'Neill will get her head out of her butt and realized that Jon could draw a lot of viewers and make a lot of money for Discovery. If I was her I would be kissing Jon Gosselins Arse instead of continuing to screw him, dropping all lawsuits against him and give him a job. .
Elizabeth Durand @missdurandnyc 2h
I interviewed @jongosselin's mistress's brother, and have a hard time believing he didn't cheat. http://usm.ag/HqRrJt via @usweekly
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LOL 'jongosselin's mistress's brother' ! Is that anything like my uncle's brother's neighbor's sister's gardner?
Hard hitting journalism at its best! :-) Oh, I'm so tickled!
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school!
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And we all know that TFW tends to lie about many things. When they went to the Crayola factory she must have inhaled a lot of crayons dust because she's still shitting rainbows about everything.
Silimom said... 85
"Admin, I think you bring up a good point that most people don't go back and ask their parents about things when they were 10 because most already remember that period of their lives."
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Most people don't, granted. But often abused children will in order to try to process what happened to them. Especially if in therapy as an adult. It is common to ask victims to reflect back to their past to try and pinpoint individual incidences that stood out as being particularly hurtful or damaging.
It's a very painful process but one that can do a great deal of healing. It's even better if they have at least one parent (optimal for both parents to be involved but in the case of having a narcissistic parent - extremely rare) they can talk to honestly about it.
I believe that for those kids in the future, Jon's willingness to take responsibility for his part in their exploitation and just how far he went to try and stop it and give them a normal life will be a godsend.
Kate will deny, deflect, downplay and excuse her part in it but as long as Jon takes the lead in acknowledging that what was done to them was wrong, they should all come out okay. Not unscathed mind you, but far, far better than they would if he were in as much denial as Kate is.
Just my thoughts on the issue.
As for Jon's interview, I haven't seen it but I think there's nothing wrong, at this stage of the game, for him to finally speak.
Kate has gotten so much air time to spew her bs and to throw him under the bus.
If he's not involving the kids and not trashing Kate then I say more power to him.
Well I've been accused of worse things here and I made about
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Should read-"made a comment about"
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school!
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She's just oozing with positivity! They "R" allllll excelling in school, she 'STATED' it dammit!!
Friendly Canuk said...(163)
"All this talk of snow brought back memories from when the Toronto mayor called in the army. It still is a national joke"
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Especially if you live in the REAL capital of Canada, we're particularly harsh about that one.
Every year since then, when the first snow falls, we break out the "Uh oh, better call in the troops" jokes. Too funny.
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Elizabeth Durand @missdurandnyc 2h
I interviewed @jongosselin's mistress's brother, and have a hard time believing he didn't cheat. http://usm.ag/HqRrJt via @usweekly
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LOL 'jongosselin's mistress's brother' ! Is that anything like my uncle's brother's neighbor's sister's gardner?
Hard hitting journalism at its best! :-) Oh, I'm so tickled!
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When will people learn that when he says he didn't cheat he doesn't mean he didn't date anyone else, but that he didn't date anyone else until they were separated! It's the TIMING he's referring to, not the act itself.
And I can believe that most people who know of this couple would still think he cheated. Not many people really know the timing of everything. And the type of people who didn't watch the show and know about the divorce, well they are the types of people who read tabloids religiously and those types of people are gullible enough to believe in what they read (this is a sweeping generalization, no offense to anyone here who reads tabloids).
I vaguely remember that email from Kate's sister. What's odd is that her sister is attempting to reconnect? Another family member shut out. Did Kate think her family members would be after her money so she cut them out or did that happen before? Those kids should be growing up with their extended family. So sad the kids have no relationships with their cousins.
Friendly Canuk said... 163
"All this talk of snow brought back memories from when the Toronto mayor called in the army. It still is a national joke "
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....and now, unfortunately, the current Toronto Mayor is an international joke.
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school!
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Oh, Milo! How you make a gator's day with your nonsense. When the hell has Kate every seen the good, the positive and the highlight of ANYTHING?
Spewing platitudes over Twitter does not a positive person make. If you want proof of that, just pop over to Mr. Hoffman's blog and watch the Ask Kate clip he has posted.
Yeah, real positive attitude there. Huge eye roll.
My goodness, the sheep herd is in a snit over this. Anyone notice how they twitter in a pack?
Winsomeone . . . I think most posters are pretty even handed when it comes to TFW and Jon. As you can see by the way I address Kate by using TFW, I do admit that I favor Jon. I don't always agree with what he does, but I definitely favor him over TFW. I do not attack anyone who posts comments against Jon. That would be silly and I think anyone who adheres to that type of group think are no better than the Kate groupies on Twitter. People should be open minded to other opinions and welcome them, and not attack the person making a comment that they do not agree with.
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Local toxic, love your new name! Auto correct can be really aggravating.
Dingo lady, I did not know that OWN and discovery were connected. Very interesting. Discovery owns that film in perpetuity, all that film of TFMJG being herself.
It amazes me that this has played out for so long and she nor Jon has been ordered to take parenting classes.
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Yes, they were required to take a class or classes. It was back when the custodial things were happening. It was ordered by the state. Does anyone remember the details of that, and when it was.
I interviewed @jongosselin's mistress's brother, and have a hard time believing he didn't cheat. cc
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LOL 'jongosselin's mistress's brother' ! Is that anything like my uncle's brother's neighbor's sister's gardner?
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Ah, Jason Hummel, the fellow who was giddy over being in the spotlight, as brief as it might have been.
FRP, I like how you call the mysterious Milo "it"! lol, too funny. Milo's so upset right now that she's found her "g's."
Milos on a rant right now...she sounds like such an asshole. Is this about HER family? NOOOOOOOOOO..Its just getting really weird with her. It's not her position to defend something she knows nothing about. Although you would have to have some kind of psychosis to defend someone so obviously trying to pull the wool over the publics eyes....I know, I know...she's in love.
I watched the Q&A video and noticed Kate was on a huge high. She was cocky and very confident. Nothing could bring her down at that point. Her plan had worked out perfectly. She got rid of that pesky Jon who didn't want to film any longer and now had her own show. They were just coming down from a 9 million viewer birthday/separation show and TLC kissing her ass. She could get them to send her practically anywhere in the world she wanted to go even Australia and New Zealand. Jon was acting like a horny teenager and she had the sympathy of the public. TLC was suing Jon and she had their might lawyers backing her. She thought at the time of this interview all of this would never end. She thought she was indispensable. How wrong she was.
I think a lot of you have a misconception about the kind of money waiters can make. A good server, at a quality (although not necessarily expensive) restaurant, can do very well. I helped put myself through college working as a server at a family type, moderately priced restaurant. It wasn't unusual for me to make $100 a night in tips, and this was back in the dark ages, LOL. The places Jon works sound like they are fairly high quality places. I imagine he's doing alright for himself.
Those of you who live in areas where the teens are willing to do things like mow lawns and rake leaves and shovel snow are lucky. The kids around where I live won't do it. They say it's "demeaning". I'm not physically able to do much myself, and it's a real struggle some years to find someone to help out.
The people who are complaining about Jon revealing too much and "throwing the kids under the bus" (not posters here) obviously didn't watch the show, or else they know nothing about child development. Most of the problems he mentioned are very clearly demonstrated on clips of the show, and he didn't "invade the kids' privacy". He kept things general and non-specific. He never named names and said ___ did this and ____ did that. There's no way to identify specific problems and associate them with individual kids.
Have we learned yet why Jon made the trip to LA?
Milo seems to take a lot of pleasure in antagonizing the situation. A tweet like that is just fueling the fire. TFW doesn't need friends like that. She's unstable as it is, and being enabled by someone who is probably equally off balance in the head isn't going to help her.
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There's an ulterior motive at play here. Milo fuels that fire, getting Kate all worked up, gathering sympathy for Kate. This allows Milo to jump on Twitter with her platitudes, words of praise and encouragement, fawning over Kate, and Milo emerges as Kate's most devoted fan. Milo is the hero, the fan who saves Kate from the depths of despair. Milo's not dumb, but her ego is as big as Kate's.
OT: only 26, or 27 hours, i'm not sure which, until the Virginia governors election is over! I am so very very tired of election ads. Whoever wins, I hope he apologizes to the voters in his acceptance speech, and whoever loses should apologize in his concession speech, apologize to all the Virginia voters for all the negative ads. Le Sigh
Wouldn't Discovery/TLC have to give permission to use the clips? I would assume they're copyrighted. Sometimes clips like this have courtesy if ABC, CBS whatever. Interesting!
I watch Jon last night and thought he did a good job.
1. He didn't bash Kate.
2. He talked about the kids in a positive way he didn't divulge to much.
3. He kept it simple.
4. He looked happy and looked nice appearance wise.
I will echo bitchy pants about how much money a wait person can earn, depending on where they work, etc. When I was in college, I took a few months off and worked as a waitress at a family-style restaurant. Nothing fancy. I earned minimum wage, plus my tips. I worked basically full time and was able to bank my paychecks and live off my tips (pay for rental of a room in a shared apartment, groceries, etc.). Of course, I wasn't providing for children, making a car payment, insurance, etc.
I had a boyfriend who worked in Palm Springs for an expensive restaurant. He would make quite a bit of money in tips each night - I was jealous!
I am not sure if Jon is a host at a restaurant - seats people, oversees the room in general to make sure all is going smoothly, or if he also waits on tables. If customers like him and his service, and the restaurant is upscale, he could be bringing in some pretty decent money in tips.
I don't think anyone here has said it, but working at a restaurant is a "real job." I get irritated when I read comments about how he should get a "real job," as if waiting tables is fun and games.
Milos on a rant right now...she sounds like such an asshole. Is this about HER family? NOOOOOOOOOO..Its just getting really weird with her. It's not her position to defend something she knows nothing about. Although you would have to have some kind of psychosis to defend someone so obviously trying to pull the wool over the publics eyes....I know, I know...she's in love.
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I just read those tweets. She indeed is a woman in love. Seriously. She doesn't care about embarrassing herself. I sometimes wonder if her kids and her husband know the extent of her involvement in Kate's life. That is, if she really does have a family. I wonder, too, if they've ever tried to help her with this obsession, or if they just laugh about it, knowing that's the way she is and nothing is every going to change. Her fascination with Kate is so far beyond normal that I doubt if even therapy could help at this point. It's sad, really, when you think about it. She's one sick puppy.
I also think that, in light of the lawsuit and so much going down, she and Goody should really be careful what they say about Jon. Milo's already claimed there was a restraining order against him, and that he stole things from Kate's kitchen; that Robert altered the journals, etc. She (and Goody) just don't know when to shut up.
I love it when Milo states TFW stated something and therefore it must be true! She even calls it debunking haha
Katie cry-duh said... 49
"I didn't cheat on my wife"
Wow.
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Well KK said it herself during an interview that she and Jon separated in 08 and he was out and about in 09 so..
Anonymous/FRP @ 136 said:
See, that latest tweet of Milo's makes me think again that this is someone who actually doesn't like Kate and is poking her. This thing ALWAYS makes sure Kate is aware of the negative things being said about her. Always! Sure, it slobbers and fawns over her, and communicates with the other fans, but I have often wondered if it's just to keep in the loop and/or from being blocked. Zingers never fail to be delivered, whether passive-aggressive or outright. A
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An interesting thought. Whoever Milo is, this person is definitely not firing on all cylinders. I don't think the person consciously dislikes Jon's ex, but I could see an underlying layer of jealousy that causes "it" to leave passive aggressive remarks, or sometimes rub salt in the wounds, all under the guise of being sympathetic, supportive, or a "bestie!"
There are people who teeter on the edge of mental health, and I think Milo is one of them. At times fairly lucid, but clearly he/she/it has an unhealthy obsession with Kate, and takes criticism against Kate as personally as if it were directed at Milo. That's not normal. The fact that Kate basically encourages this behavior is also not normal.
Just curious, since I didn't manage to get the book before it was pulled- what was tfw's response to the email?
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I don't think that was included in the book, or if Kate even responded.
I missed the show, but watched a short clip, in which Jon said that the kids have trust funds and college funds (isn't clear if the college funds are part of the trust funds, or separate.)
In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with:
Manners
Needs
Morals
With their peers
Knowing what is right and what's wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDZPaKOLarg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I wish he had not said those things. I don't know why people assume that the kids won't see or hear about that. Remember that Jon said that the kids have Internet access at school, and that he does not limit them when they are at his house. He specifically said that they google their names and watch YouTube with him sitting right next to them. Maybe they won't see it--but, maybe they will. Same for their classmates, parents, teachers and members of their church. Two of those kids are teenagers!
If Jon had not said those things or ever done that interview, what is the potential for harm? None that I can think of. Having made the interview, there is, IMO, potential harm to his kids finding out what he said to millions of people. There is absolutely no difference in Jon using the kids to validate himself, and TFW doing the same--at least to me. I don't have different standards depending on who I like most, or how much worse one parent's behavior is than another. There is absolutely no justification or rationalization that justifies the types of disclosure that he made. Anyone who thinks that there isn't enough information out there about the pitfalls of filming a family needs only to read the blistering comments whenever there is an article about TFW. If this information had been out there, does anyone think it would have deterred TFW? There will always be greedy fame whores selling their children to the highest bidder. That has been the case since the dawn of entertainment.
Why in the world does anyone think they know what it is like to have the kind of lives these kids live, or how they feel when their parents blab their personal business to a national audience. I think it is safe to say that, unlike kids in LA or NY, they do not know anyone else who has to endure everyone knowing that their parents cannot even have a civil conversation.
This is how I see things. Kate had always intended on doing the show until the kids went to college. I believe she said that at some point many years ago when she was still with Jon. Even though she did not love him anymore, as long as they continued to play happy family, as evidenced by the long crazy discussion in the 4th season finale episode, she wanted to continue to perpetuate the myth. In fact, so much so, that if Jon agreed to it, he could go out and have his own private personal life off the show. How she ever thought that would persist with no one ever noticing is beyond me! Not much upstairs. He got outed, now no longer a need to pretend there is a happy home life, so might as well divorce. With that came the infamous summer from hell and the fall wasn't much better. But, Jon now was free to stand up and say no more filming, like he did almost an entire year earlier! This screwed Kate's plans. She eventually was able to continue her show without Jon, but it was already ruined. Then it just kept sliding further and further away, until cancelled altogether in 2011. She sees that the Duggars and Roloffs are still on the air. They all started their shows around the same time. 2 of them are still on the air and 1 isn't. Now who is responsible for that? Can't be Kate, right? After all, she didn't do anything different. It HAS to be Jon. Why else would her show get cancelled and the other two are still airing new episodes?
I truly believe she sees the events in that way. That is why she hates Jon SO MUCH! It also explains why she will not stop in her quest of ruining his life, after all, it was he who ruined her's. Destroy his career, he destroyed her tv career, so she destroys his IT career by calling him a hacker. There is a certain symmetry don't you think? I really think she is a danger to Jon, those poor kids and even herself.
I read an article years ago in Family Circle that a lady needed to have her leaves raked and she had a huge yard. She put an ad in the local paper advertising teenage kids to come and bring rakes. They came and brought their stereos and raked the yard in no time. She bought pizza, drinks, ect. and fed them a big lunch.
All she was out was the pizza money.
Then she got it back for getting 50 dollars for getting printed in Family Circle.
She got her leaves raked for free that year.
Winsomeone said:
I wasn't criticizing Jon, just being curious, but feel I have been jumped on because some might have thought so...have also been called names in the recent past, when I did criticize him a bit. Have been here since the beginning, and it didn't used to be this way here. Used to be both sides could be heard equally. Now, not so much. Not so much discussion at times, just praise Jon or else.
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When were you called names, and Admin or her assistants let such a comment be posted? I am sure there are comments that never see the light of day, because they are offensive for one reason or another. One thing about this blog is that it is pretty firmly administrated, and name-calling is not allowed.
I also am sorry you felt jumped on by the responses regarding snow plowing. I'm from sunny California where even a snow flurry would make headline news. So I would not know how people deal with snow in the east, whether everyone has a small plow, hires someone, etc. But since Jon grew up in the area, I imagine he took that into consideration when he moved to his cabin, and probably has it taken care of - whether the landlord provides a plow, whether he had a helpful neighbor, or whatever.
I have to disagree with the generalization that this blog is only for fans-of-Jon. At the time J&K+8 was still being filmed, I was critical of both of them, although I have always been more critical of Kate. Her sins have always been so much greater in my mind.
When Jon was running around like a chicken with its head cut off, I was equal parts exasperated, sympathetic, and embarrassed for him.
At this point in time, I see an imperfect human being (such as I am), trying to do his best by his kids. I respect that. I see someone who has been through the mill (basically beaten down by TLC and the media), but who came out the other side with a positive outlook, and has found a new happiness in life. Good for him! So yes, I do support Jon and will speak in his defense at times. I try to do so politely and without name-calling, because that's how I try to have any sort of discussion. Hope you are feeling better and will keep taking part in the conversations here.
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