Melissa NV said... 192 Milos on a rant right now...she sounds like such an asshole. _________
Holy Cow! I went over there and thought I'd landed on Goody's TL by mistake. So much for the prim, proper, sweet li'l ol' religious Southern gal routine. ___________
Virginia Pen Mom said... 183 FRP, I like how you call the mysterious Milo "it"! lol, too funny. Milo's so upset right now that she's found her "g's." __________________
Joyinvirginia: Own, TLC, Animal Plant and about a dozen more channels are all owned by Discovery. Just type in Discovery and all the channels they own come up. When people here were talking about the McGees on OWN, that they are starting to take the JK8 route, is cause Discovery owns them & TLC, and are using the same formula, that made JK8 original famous.
It was sickening to see the sterile walls in the kids bedrooms when they showed kate jumping all over the kids about the STUPID DRAWER KNOB! She went SO OVERBOARD with that. All she had to do is tell them that if they find one to bring it to her and she would fix it or put it up for later or for their Dad to fix.
That poor little boy that danced, the reason why he danced is the STRESS HIS MONSTER MOM put on him right then about the STUPID DRESSER KNOB! This was the only way he could try to relieve himself of the stress.
The walls at kates are so sterile and institutional, compared to their dads. I loved seeing the artwork and seeing I LOVE DAD. They truly love their dad.
I want to go on record, Milo is nauseating and messed up.
Wish NEV would research Milo. We would be shocked to find out who this Milo person really is. I had a crazy thought the other day, it could be Gina. On Milos twitter it says she is a happily married female supporting kate gosselin. Still happily married to Steve while Steve makes a killing off kate. I don't think this is really true, but how could Gina stand by Steve the way kate and Steve travel together, stay in the same rooms, he would guide her hips in crowds, delete pics upon her demands?
Her wearing the nude/flesh colored very small bikini at the BBQ, at the mansion a few years ago, in front of Steve's tween boys and her own kids, running around the mansion. It was so funny, someone put it on the Ape to Man chart! hahaha
JoyinVirginia said... 188 OT: only 26, or 27 hours, i'm not sure which, until the Virginia governors election is over! I am so very very tired of election ads. Whoever wins, I hope he apologizes to the voters in his acceptance speech, and whoever loses should apologize in his concession speech, apologize to all the Virginia voters for all the negative ads. Le Sigh ***** My phone has been ringing off the hook. I'm just picking up and hanging up over and over and over. The candidates have been so nasty. I've not idea what the heck they stand for, other than attack ads. I'm not voting for any of these bozos.
I interviewed @jongosselin's mistress's brother, and have a hard time believing he didn't cheat. http://usm.ag/HqRrJt via @usweekly
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Jon said Kate came to him and told them that as far as she was concerned the marriage was finished and he could do as he pleased, then she promptly banished him to the garage apartment. What's a sexually healthy man supposed to do? Zip it and become celibate because his screwball wife won't sleep with him anymore? If she had decided their marriage was done, he can't be accused of "cheating" on her. Geez.
Those of you who live in areas where the teens are willing to do things like mow lawns and rake leaves and shovel snow are lucky. The kids around where I live won't do it. They say it's "demeaning".
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sigh...
I'm afraid a lot of our young snow shovellers have been seduced and snatched away by video games.
In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with: Manners Needs Morals With their peers Knowing what is right and what's wrong _______
I think he was saying since the 8 didn't grow up like a normal child that wasn't in the public eye that they have issues in these areas.
I mean you can clearly see this is kind of true just by watching J&K or K+8.
I know this sounds crazy, but I had a dream about the Waltons, the other day, which I love that show! The Waltons were all in the living room, in their house, sitting around the radio and they were on reality tv. The cameras, I saw the guy holding the pole with the microphone on the end and I heard them all go awe, moaning, like, we have to do another RETAKE? I remember Olivia had her head down with her hand on her forehead shaking her head like WHY DID WE SIGN UP FOR THIS?
Then all of a sudden Grandma gets so angry, she runs out and she was walking fast down a dirt road, looked exactly like the one in the movie the Wiz.of Oz. She was mad and had a broom and she was walking fast, talking and mumbling to herself and sweeping tiny rocks off the road. I was running beside her on the side of the road trying to talk to her.
I think the reason WHY their was no parent classes and a Guardian Ad-litem is because the legal pit bulls at TLC stomped a mud hole in that idea. It is a shame that they were not required to take parenting classes. TLC did not want it to get out that kate was a loose cannon and that would of possibly stopped the gravy train. You know kate refused to do it and Jon was unable to again fight the big machine of kate and TLC's pit bull legal team.
Now, the tide has turned. Jon has the pit bull team, kate doesn't.
Can't wait for the book to roll, the lawsuit to depose and Milo EXPOSED!
My goodness, what can be wrong with Milo who sees no flaw in Kate but is quick to pick them up, real or imagined, in Jon and others. Does she think 9 year olds don't need morals and manners? And what shame did Jon bring upon them?
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school!
Oh give it a rest already. Kate lies. You are a liar's cheerleader. Nothing you say will change anything in your gf's life. Go get one for yourself. She doesn't care about anyone but herself.
Admin, it is my understanding that Discovery Communications Inc. now includes 28 network entertainment brands including Discovery Channel, TLC, OWN, Animal Planet, Bravo, ABC, NBC, CBS, BET, TV Land, etc. Consequently, the use of the TLC clips would probably not require permission?
When people here were talking about the McGees on OWN, that they are starting to take the JK8 route, is cause Discovery owns them & TLC, and are using the same formula, that made JK8 original famous. ***** Right down to the nakedness, potty training and tantrums.
According to ABC online, "In last night’s episode of Oprah Winfrey’s “Where Are They Now,” Gosselin sat down with Winfrey to talk about his eight children and how because of the family’s former reality show “Jon and Kate Plus 8,” they didn’t get to grow “up normally, like I grew up.”"
Really? When did this happen? I didn't see (or hear) Oprah doing any of the up close and personal interview.
Ex Nurse said: "In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with..."
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No, he didn't say that they were developmentally delayed. What he said was...:"developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people...they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what’s right and what’s wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV.”
He said they have problems. Anyone who has been keeping up with the family has seen this on television. Kate put the kids there. She allowed their fights, their problems with siblings, their melt-downs all to be filmed. Parents, classmates, teachers, could see their behavior issues in a myriad of clips/episodes. Two of them were expelled from Kindergarten because of problem with their peers and adults. He didn't making a shocking revelation that anyone who knows anything about child development couldn't see with their own eyes -- right on national television.
This is from Robert's blog: We know who the online Kate critics are thanks to the helpful hackers of the world, but I wonder if Kate Gosselin or any of the people closest to her have ever posted comments on her behalf on blogs or on Twitter, under an assumed name?
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
Ex-Nurse said, "I missed the show, but watched a short clip, in which Jon said that the kids have trust funds and college funds (isn't clear if the college funds are part of the trust funds, or separate.)"
*********************** Perhaps you should have watched the entire interview instead of a short clip so you could have heard in what context all of that was said (the developmental issues, peer relationships, etc)...
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 110 No Tweet, he did not say they were developmentally "delayed."
He said "Developmentally, they have problems." Huge difference. ------ I stand corrected on my earlier post with the link to the clip. However, I don"t see the 2 statements and being hugely different. If they are having developmental problems, isn't it likely that they are developmental delays? Possibly, the issues don't rise to the definition of developmentally delayed, which could qualify some or all of them for special Ed services (defined as 30% below the average, as measured by standardized testing in one or more areas of development. ) but,
Unless he is saying that they are developmentally advanced (which wouldn't be a problem), they are most likely on the spectrum of being developmentally delayed.
Midnight Madness said... Perhaps you should have watched the entire interview instead of a short clip so you could have heard in what context all of that was said (the developmental issues, peer relationships, etc)... ------ If someone posts a link, I will. Haven't been able to find it online.
Should Milo really be running around loose? I mean, if you have your g's one minute, and lose them the next, who knows what else she/he/it will be missing?
It's tweets like this that call for some heavy-duty rumspringa. Better than pounding one's head against the wall:
hater hater @BuzzedBunny 2h @Kateplusmy8 Once again Jon devastates his children & leaves Kate to pick up the pieces.
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
#TickTock?
Any guesses what this means??
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I don't know, Tucker. Tis a puzzle. I thought he meant that one or more of the sheeple are going to be outed very shortly and that we all may be surprised to find out who they really are.
I almost know many famous people. US Weekly & Yahoo
New York, NY
haha! "almost". WTH does that mean?
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She almost knows Jon's former alleged girlfriend's brother's roommate's pizza guy who delivers food to a dry cleaning service who almost knows a celebrity whose driver takes his clothing there?
Somewhere in Time said... He didn't making a shocking revelation that anyone who knows anything about child development couldn't see with their own eyes -- right on national television. --------- Then why say it at all? How is that in the kids best interests? Why violate the privacy he fought for? I just wish he would use the best interest of the kids to filter between his brain and his mouth. Those kids have been a topic of discussion since they were born, 9 years ago. They have finally faded from the public, and here comes their father, shooting off his mouth with Oprah, and being quoted as saying that they have developmental problems.
I wasn't even critical of his going on this show, because he did a great ,job on The View. As long as his comments are about himself, I think he could have a carrier in entertainment. Just leave the kids out of it, and stop violating their privacy. This is no different than Kate talking about bras and periods. Which she was soundly and rightfully criticized.
Winsomeone said... 151 ''...A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period.'' ''...... Ex-nurse was shamefully jumped on for expressing her opinion about Jon too.'' ~~~~~~~~~~~ I am WAY behind on reading the blog, but I do want to comment on this statement. Winsomeone, as one who has had repeated, long discussions of disagreement with ExNurse, I have never seen myself as jumping on her. She may disagree, and if she does, I hope she will say so.
Maybe it is because I've been online since 1997 on mostly soap opera message boards, maybe because I just naturally have a thick skin, or maybe because I'm just dense, but I don't see someone not agreeing with me as an attempt to shut me up, or attempting to make me feel not welcome on this blog.
I'm in total disagreement with Admin and many others about what Robert is doing on his sites right now. I've commented over and over about how much I enjoy what Robert is doing, and have had those comments disagreed with...sometimes in very 'pointed' comments. When I see (and choose to respond or not) the comments that disagree with me, I simply see someone that has a different opinion. It would be a very weird world if everyone agreed with me...especially since I have such strong opinions that I know are sometimes 'off the wall'.
So...what do you all think? Am I dense? Do I just naturally have a thick skin? What? And...don't think for a moment that anyone's honest opinion is going to hurt my feelings, make me cry, or post a goodbye cruel blog comment!!
Now off to catch up and see how many others have said what I said, only MUCH better!
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.'' *********************************************************************************
What exactly did he divulge about their lives that is sooo private? What did he expose? _____________________________________________
Jon said they have problems developmentally with "manners" and "morals," ...
Those private things. I'd be mortified if I was 9 and my father said that about me on national television.
No, he didn't say that they were developmentally delayed. What he said was...:"developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people...they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what’s right and what’s wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV.”
He said they have problems.
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Exactly, Developmentally delayed is NOT the same as "developmentally, they have problems."
Ex Nurse said... 197 I missed the show, but watched a short clip, in which Jon said that the kids have trust funds and college funds (isn't clear if the college funds are part of the trust funds, or separate.)
In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with: Manners Needs Morals With their peers Knowing what is right and what's wrong ------------\ I don't know why it is such a bad thing that a Jon admits to EVERY quality that has been discussed in depth here and on other blogs. It is not a secret that the children have problems. Why is it that we can discuss it and say that they need to ADMIT IT and find help for those children but when he does he is criticized for it. Had nobody seen that which he spoke of then it could be handled secretly. Anyone that has seen the show who meets them in real life is going to experience their behavior. I myself would be less critical if I knew that at least one parent knew and is aware of their problems and is trying to address them. I would tend to be more patient with them. As far as them finding out their dad said that publicly? Same thing. Their behavior is no secret between each other. My sibs and I knew who were brats, who were the spoiled, who were rude and who was weak. If I had been in the public eye and later learned that my dad stuck up for me when it came to telling others that "yes, they have/had problems but I tried/trying to do my best to help them when I recognized it was getting out of hand." I would be so grateful. Of course they won't understand it now, they are children. But when they mature they will understand. They did it publicly, it needs to be UNDERSTOOD publicly there is a problem and it's being addressed. Do we want him to do like TFW? "Oh, the kids are great, perfect and mannered" when we know different. Look what we say about her for that. Damned of he does, damned of he doesn't.
This is the very behavior that has caused him to want to live in the woods AWAY from this, for himself and his children. Had he kept silent, gone through the lawsuit and lived in obscurity we would be debating why he hasn't done more for the children, and how he is a rotten, lazy parent.
I think when people can't let go of things and are so harsh with opinions without any mercy, the problem doesn't lie, or however you spell it, with the one they speak harshly of but is really with one that is closer to their own life and the deflection gives some resolve. Any resolve can be a good thing but will never lead to a healthy place when it is deflected on someone else.
MissGoody comes to mind as a good example of that which I am trying to say. She has never met Jon or watched the show yet their is much hatred for him you can feel her wrath through her words. It does open a small door to her life without giving away any painful secrets. Just her name alone gives you a glimpse that she has problems.
Tucker's Mom said... 15 This is from Robert's blog: We know who the online Kate critics are thanks to the helpful hackers of the world, but I wonder if Kate Gosselin or any of the people closest to her have ever posted comments on her behalf on blogs or on Twitter, under an assumed name?
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
#TickTock?
Any guesses what this means?? --------- I'm hoping he is going to tell who Milo is. hehe hope, hope, hope
I recall the subject of the kids being developmentally delayed being discussed here quite a few times. In all likelihood some of them may very well be because of their upbringing. Kate did try to infantilize them as much as she possibly could to keep those adorable dollars rolling in.
Ex Nurse... Being that I am a trained medical professional in pediatrics I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is a difference between have certain developmental issues and being developmentally "delayed". Jon is not saying they are physically or emotionally delayed compared to their peers. He also did not address their academic abilities, which is different, and not necessary to discuss. By saying they don't know the difference between wants and needs, he's saying, for example, they think they NEED an iPhone as opposed to WANTING an iPhone, again just an example, no actual truth to anything about iPhones. What he's saying is that through the years and clearly where Kate's priorities are, the children see items or places/trips as things that they must have and need to have to be happy. Clearly, these are luxury items and he's saying they don't understand the difference. That is a valuable moral lesson all children should learn and know. These children don't. That is a problem.
Milo spews on twitter about academics and what not. First, what Jon said is completely aside from their academic grades. She doesn't get that. Secondly, two of the kids were expelled from kindergarten from some of these same issues that he again is discussing. Kate discussed them on national television and on news media shows. Bottom line, they needed therapy! And they got some. Not enough though. In reality all Jon said in this interview is the opposite of what Kate always claims about the children. Spoiling children, which lets face it, it's what happened on that show, they saw you demand and you receive. Kate focused on the material wealth. It's really hard to learn right from wrong, good strong morals and wants vs needs, from Kate Gosselin!
Jon has always come across as very genuine in his interviews as opposed to Kate who seems so agenda driven. Regardless, I'm still not in favor of him putting himself out to the subsequent bevy of e-tabs and their accompanying comments sections that often misstate and criticize his intended words. This is a public relations war that he will never win. People will never forgive his Ed Hardy and pub hopping with different girls days. No matter how sensible he comes across, the most vociferous and prolific posters in those comments sections will never see him as anything more.
Another thought on snow removal, maybe Jon was able to take some of the machinery that was on the compound for such tasks. If Kate has a contracted service for landscaping/snow removal, perhaps Jon got "custody" of such an item or two.
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues. Being a spoiled brat doesn't qualify you as being developmentally delayed but it sure can make life hard. It's about time someone was willing to be honest about the negative effects of such a lifestyle. He has every right to explain why he is so concerned just as Kate has explained over and over why filming is so positive for them.
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. --------------------------------------------- That's my problem with giving interviews. Although this was a kinder, gentler forum (as stated by the interviewers on HuffPo) there are always words that are misstated in the moment or misinterpreted by others that live on and provide fodder for days on these e-sites. Jon was doing pretty well with his lawyers speaking on his behalf during all of this lawsuit nonsense. Why risk that?
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues.
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You're probably right, admin. Remember that Jon isn't polished when it comes to interviews. Finding the correct words may not come easy to him.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 10m @SiobhanR111 @Kateplusmy8 He already admitted 2Barbara Walters that he pays no CS..now we know he doesn't support them emotionally either!
Good gawd, Milo. Calm down. You're going to work yourself into a state (and not a good one). Go have a double Jack Daniels until LOM shuts you down for a good night's rest! You're going to say something you'll regret and find yourself in a twitter deleting frenzy.
Why doesn't Kate put an end to all of this? I know, I know. She loves it, but still -- she needs to stop these Jon-hating tweets right now.
Remona Blue, I so enjoy everything you have to say on this blog, you can say what I am thinking, but from you it is said so much better. This blog would suffer a great loss if we ever lost you! Yes, I think you are thick-skinned, which is the way I wish I was.
One VERY important sentence came at the end of Jon's interview that I barely caught but I think is important. He said that he'd been leading a quiet life but was getting 'drawn back into' the media. I firmly believe that we wouldn't have heard from Jon for a long time if TFW hadn't filed the lawsuit.
She opened the door to Jon needing to speak up and defend himself and his kids. It sure was a long time coming, but I can't blame him for feeling the need to finally answer some questions and I'm impressed he's done it without negativity - in total contrast to TFW's insinuations and outright accusations. His interview was positive with no talking in riddles, just plain and simple this is my life now, this is how I think my kids were hurt by the past, and while TFW and my lifestyle and values are different, I'm trying to do the best for my kids.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 36 I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues. Being a spoiled brat doesn't qualify you as being developmentally delayed but it sure can make life hard. It's about time someone was willing to be honest about the negative effects of such a lifestyle. He has every right to explain why he is so concerned just as Kate has explained over and over why filming is so positive for them. ********************************* Funny, did we not say that being cut off from family, having few friends, not being allowed to participate in sports & lessons or go out in public without TLC would affect them socially?
Didn't we say that Kate's insistence that money+things=love would give them a messed up sense of values?
Didn't we fear that Kate' complete lack of empathy and concern for anyone but herself would cause the kids to have the same?
If I recall, Jon and Kate both said some of the younger kids were not ready for kindergarten so they were all held back to be in the same class.
Also, she had the younger kids in highchairs, bibs and sippy cups at the age of seven. She must have read somewhere that this had been noticed. All of a sudden they were in regular chairs at the dinner table.
The children really do not get along that well. The way they hit and spit on each other is disgusting. They were rude to Kendra and also rude to Katie Couric. They do not have manners and really need to address these issues before they get much older.
Ally (31): Excellent post. Jon is saying that the kids expect THINGS. They learned this from their mother. He is trying to teach them the difference between need and want, and that because they were once on television and had so many luxuries, that it doesn't last forever, and they shouldn't feel entitled to those things. It's a great lesson. Then they go home to their mother and see what's important to her are material things. How confusing that must be to a child.
Milo is on a tear today, too bad nobody, including her idol, gives a rat's rear end. Not supporting his children emotionally? Well, you know they will always have you, Milo, which is especially nice since their mother doesn't support them much in any way.
Yes there's always a risk with public speaking something won't come out right. There is also a risk if no one is willing to speak out about the real dangers of reality tv atrocities that happened to these kids will still continue. Both to these kids and others.
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Here is my response:
kate gosselin got a new AUDI 4 when she had her new FIAT towed to the dealer claiming it was broken down on the side of the road, she tweeted. She also never tweeted what the mechanic said what was wrong with it, after many inquiry's. She needed an excuse on why she had to get a new AUDI 4! And she doesn't even work part-time from home, SHE HASN'T WORKED/EARNED A STEADY PAYCHECK IN OVER 2 YEARS! What is her SECRET?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 10m @SiobhanR111 @Kateplusmy8 He already admitted 2Barbara Walters that he pays no CS..now we know he doesn't support them emotionally either! ############
^^^^This. When Robert's hint is revealed it's going to be that Milo is Skeeve or someone else Kate put up to doing this. It has to be. Strange as they may be, the rest of the flock have qualities that make them appear to be real people. Milo, not so much.
Irony. Sweet, bitter irony. Kate is suing because she claimed she was hacked, but she gave the go ahead to have scores of people with an opinion to be hacked. She was convinced Jon and Robert were socking on the other blog, but it looks like she might be the one who has people socking for her. smh
Both Jon and TFW were ordered by Family Court to take two three-hour classes called "Children in the Middle". This was reported in April '10 and they supposedly had until June 8, 2010 to complete it together OR separately OR online. The course focuses on co-parenting. It's required of all divorcing parents in Berks County. I think it's safe to say that they won't be used in any promo materials touting the success of this class.
So, I guess it isn't enough that the kids had to work to support their parents. Now, it is their job to be poster children for the stop putting kids on reality TV cause. And here I thought most of us wanted the kids to lead a normal life. If one or more of them want to contribute to that cause, they can do it when they are the age of legal consent.
Yes there's always a risk with public speaking something won't come out right. There is also a risk if no one is willing to speak out about the real dangers of reality tv atrocities that happened to these kids will still continue. Both to these kids and others. -------------------------------------------- And you have to way that risk with the current atmosphere. Right now, Jon is embroiled in a fairly public lawsuit, the consequences of which could have repercussions on both him and his kids. Now is not the time for him to be unburdening himself in an effort to clear the air or land an IT job. If his agenda is to serve as a warning to families who throw their kids to the reality tv wolves, I say wait until the lawsuit is resolved and then stand on your soapbox.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 36 I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues.
Actually, Jon is right. Moral development (personal and social) can and is mesured in different well-defined stages by child psychologists. (Piaget, Kohlberg, Eisenberg, to name a few.) Kohlberg has established a scale of progression by age group that I use regularly in my line of work. Interesting stuff when one has the "littles" in mind while reading it...
If his agenda is to serve as a warning to families who throw their kids to the reality tv wolves, I say wait until the lawsuit is resolved and then stand on your soapbox.
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I'm sure he did weigh it and discuss it with his excellent lawyer. Speaking out about reality T.V. and giving an update has absolutely no bearing, none whatsoever, on his lawsuit. His lawsuit is about alleged hacking. The court is not going to care one stinking bit what he thinks about reality T.V. or for that matter Kate or his children. This is not family law court. These are allegations about computers, and each and every piece of evidence must have a direct bearing to the allegations themselves, what little is left of them.
In family law court, you can get away with all this bellyaching about he said this or that on T.V. That kind of thing doesn't fly in some computer lawsuit. The court will not CARE.
Even if Kate COULD complain to the court about what Jon is saying, the court would just turn around and tell her wait a second don't you make your fair share of public statements? And that will be the end of that.
I think he just felt now was the time to go public and if he was going to respond to the lawsuit he might as well talk about how he feels about everything else Kate has said too. I think the lawsuit pushed him to that point. Kate has no one to blame for herself. She should have shut up.
foxy said... 43 If I recall, Jon and Kate both said some of the younger kids were not ready for kindergarten so they were all held back to be in the same class.
****************** Not Jon and Kate, just Kate is the one who held the 6 pack back from starting kindergarten using the excuse that they were born prematurely. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Kate did this so that they would be available for filming Kate + 8 during the week.
This means that the 6 pack will turn 18 in May before they start their senior year in high school in September.
K+8 filmed one episode -- the one where Kate and the 6 went to the neighbors farm, where they were walking in the road and one of the boys had trouble walking because something was in his boot -- before Jon pulled the plug on the show.
Of course months later a settlement was reached between TLC and Jon and K+8 was back on the air.
Actually, Jon is right. Moral development (personal and social) can and is mesured in different well-defined stages by child psychologists. (Piaget, Kohlberg, Eisenberg, to name a few.) Kohlberg has established a scale of progression by age group that I use regularly in my line of work. Interesting stuff when one has the "littles" in mind while reading it...
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Good to know. It sounds like Jon has been reading and talking to child development experts. I think the problem is most layman associate "developmentally" with developmentally delayed. At least two people here and most of the sheeple are accusing him of calling the kids developmentally delayed, which he never did. That gives us a clue how strongly that word is associated with mental delays, even if it doesn't always mean cognitively.
Since most people don't have that background it was probably the wrong word choice for the general public because of the association. But I prefer that to calling them spoiled brats, which sadly sounds like the truth. Of course that is a consequence of their lifestyle. They were given VIP everything and now it's gone. I wouldn't expect anything less.
Also agree with Ally 100%. What is WITH shooting the messenger? I don't care who says it, Jon or Kate or anyone, if someone is saying reality t.v. or anything is causing such severe social problems for young children shouldn't we assume the worst and go from there instead of shooting the messenger and refusing to hear it? Hate the message not the messenger. be outraged that reality T.V. or possibly their mother could have such a huge affect on them.
Just like what happened to Corey Feldman. It's trull unbelievable. No wonder everyone is so petrified to rock the boat and actually speak up when something is wrong. You get lambasted for it. Outrageous and IMO WRONG.
No one is making the children poster children of anything. What hyperbole! What posters are they on? In seriousness, this is just reality. The kids were on a show that was damaging to them. More shows are out there very similar to their show. The McGhees were just shown potty training. Anyone who saw something wrong about the after affects of reality T.V. has a moral obligation to speak up. If Jon noticed, he should say something. Especially when the other parent keeps putting propaganda out there that there's nothing wrong with it. The Gosselin kids already ARE famous, part of the pop culture and part of one of the most famous reality shows involving kids of all time. You can't undue the fame, it's done. You can't undue them being reality T.V. kids, it's done. What you CAN do is try to bring some good out of it. Try to wake people up to not only what's wrong about filming itself but what's wrong about it two, three, four years down the line. You can wait until they are 18, but how many more kids will be harmed in the meantime?
Should the victims in the Penn State scandal not have told anyone until they were 18? They have become poster children too I suppose, right? That's absurd!!! They are legal age now but that's only because the stupid adults in the situation did not help them in a timely manner. If they had done their jobs this all would have exploded when they were still kids. I wouldn't dream of accusing those who spoke out of trying to make poster children out of them. They would be trying to HELP them.
I am shocked anyone here would not support the disclosure of information that paints reality T.V. in such a terrible light. I thought we all found common ground in taking issue with kids on reality T.V. We may be all over the spectrum in terms of what is acceptable and appropriate and what is not (for many, nothing at all is tolerable), but fundamentally we all had an issue with kids on reality T.V. on some level. Color me completely confused. I'm at the point where I'm skimming certain posts feeling like I'm talking in circles trying to explain something that is just so fundamentally obvious I felt.
In this case, I don't hate the messenger. I prefer him by far to his ex-counterpart. I just think in this case it's better for him to win the war and use that as leverage to win the various battles he aims to fight.
Hand, I guess I was with you less than 4 weeks ago. I've changed my mind. I think the way he's handling things now is working for him. Discounting the 6 sheeple who will hate and spin ANYTHING this guy says, most comments both in the media and online have been overwhelming positive. Public perception of him has changed. He's getting tweets from strangers about how awesome he is, big invites to The View and OWN, and he is crushing Kate's lawsuit with a great legal team. We don't have to agree with the decisions he makes but if I were him I would think gee this seems to be working I'm going to stick with this momentum and stick with what's working. I think I'd be more concerned if I didn't know Shawn Tuma was advising him. I trust Shawn's judgment and I trust that Jon will listen to him. People don't drop half their lawsuits every day. And that was before they ever even got to court. Things are going fine for Jon. Does he have a tendency to push the limits of things, press his luck? Yes, that's Jon. But he's going to do what he's going to do and I have to support the only person willing to speak the truth about what did and is really going on here. I have to support his efforts to try to shut down Kate's crap once and for all so he and the children can TRY to have a normal life going forward without these constant disruptions from Kate. I wish him the best.
Not Jon and Kate, just Kate is the one who held the 6 pack back from starting kindergarten using the excuse that they were born prematurely. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Kate did this so that they would be available for filming Kate + 8 during the week.
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If they went through the testing process for Kindergarten and one or more wasn't ready for Kindergarten, the school advises the best placement for them. Kate could have screamed her head off, saying she wanted all of them in Kindergarten, but if the kids weren't ready, that's not where they would have gone. There was no harm done in red-shirting them. Much better for them to be kept together than for some to be ahead of others in another grade. In that case, those left behind would have wondered why they weren't "good enough" to be with their siblings. She didn't hold them back. Jon didn't hold them back. They did what was advised by educational professionals.
The kids still went to school full-time, three days a week. I don't see that this would have been much of an advantage to filming since there was only one free day between school days...not enough time for trips, and Kate loved her trips. Certainly, if classes were held on Mondays and Fridays only, this would have been an incentive for Kate to want them all in Junior Kindergarten.But that's not what happened. Don't forget that the twins went to school five days a week during that time. What would have been the advantage in holding the younger ones back? Were they planning on filming just them and not the twins?
"This means that the 6 pack will turn 18 in May before they start their senior year in high school in September."
And that's a bad thing? Many kids are 18 when they graduate. They will be 19 for ONE WEEK ONLY when they graduate. Is that a problem? Will they be bullied because of it? I doubt it.
I remember the parenting class because we have something similar in CA called Parents Beyond Conflict. I've talked to parents who say it was tremendously helpful. But it's usually much long rand more intensive. Six hours is nothing. She really needs a program that is 26 weeks, maybe even 52 weeks, and it probably needs to be coupled with intensive therapy at least two times a week, a full evaluation by a psychologist and report and diagnosis, and some intensive in home services, to even begin to have hope of addressing her issues. None of that is likely ever going to happen.
My Response… NOVEMBER 4, 2013 I find it very heart breaking that my children’s father chooses a public forum to discuss his current opinions of the “development” our children. These opinions are, in reality, value judgements made about our children and they are based on his limited visits (albeit mutually agreed upon) with our children.
Because he has spoken negatively about our children, I feel I owe it to them to respond on their behalf. Each and every one of our children has met and continues to exceed all physical, mental and emotional developmental milestones throughout their lives. Their normal development is regularly monitored by myself, their pediatrician and school staff, as is usual within any family.
Kate just responded to Jon on her blog. Of course the kids are wonderful and perfect and have NO ISSUES whatsoever. Jon doesn't know a single darn thing because he doesn't see them that much. (she has to be sure to throw that in)
Of course Kate. The kids are perfect. It's all lies. Just lies to make you look bad.
You know she would have SOO much more credibility if she didn't insist on the kids being so perfect all the time. If she said when any of our kids ever had any struggles that would be a private matter that we all work together to address. At least admit that like ANY family things aren't always perfect.
We know for a fact they had issues after two of them were suspended. She can't deny it.
As for her kids being the most normal, pleasant polite....well we all could see them on CWS and Katie Couric. Sadly, I found the children to display bullying behavior, the hitting was ongoing, and the boys looked shockingly distant and defeated. It was so bad Katie Couric said playing a simple game outside was a bad idea. For gosh sakes, they are 10 and 13! She can say all she wants about how wonderful it is but the film shows otherwise. This is exactly Jon's point. Kate refuses to see it. The utter denial is very concerning.
I guess I'd be very curious to know how she would respond to their behaviors we saw on CWS and Katie Couric. Does she think the hitting, spatting, fighting, bullying, and defeated body language is "normal"? Truly, for kids these ages?
By the way as for the kids being the most pleasant and polite....gee you would think with Jon in their lives he really would have messed them up right? Jon can't be that bad if all she gets are compliments about how wonderful and amazing and perfect her children are. Surely he would have messed with that by now, evil as he is.
I have news for her. Her kids are kids like any other and even if they are very good kids, which we can see from the film itself they struggle with, all kids act up and have issues sometimes. That's how it goes. It does not make you a bad mother just because you run into some challenges with your children. What makes you a bad mother is when you IGNORE the challenges right in front of your eyes and refuse to examine what may have caused them and get some damn introspection. She's infuriating.
No kidding. It's like pandora's box. Wonder if Kate is regretting yet this lawsuit. Like Jon said in the interview he was pushed back into the media (by Kate.)
David Sutherland's Country Boys documentary is great. I keep hearing Cody's grandmother with her charming Tennessee drawl: "Cody, Cody, Cody! What a mess, what a mess, what a mess!!" LOL she was so cool.
I think too this is where their value system is conflicting. Of course Kate doesn't see something wrong with a kid demanding an iPad or an iPhone or private prep school or this or that because for her it's only the best and for her material things are not only to be expected but they are a right.
Just a hypothetical example, Jon might see a 13 year old having a tantrum over not getting the latest iPhone as a serious problem. Kate, on the other hand, might be proud of the child for demanding only the best for her or himself and not settling for the iPhone 4s. And this is where in Kate's mind there truly IS nothing wrong whereas Jon is tearing his plugs out over it wondering how they got to this point. I can see that and I ALMOST get where she is coming from because in her mind, I really think she refuses to understand or see what is wrong.
I guess the blog girl should be fired, her post changes font size four times. How hard is it to post a post with the same font size?
Kate, millions of people saw your children's behavior on CWS and Katie Couric. We have eyes. Your children are not happy and content. They appeared to be sad and lost. Who in the he____ are you trying to kid?
Paula, I'm afraid she's delusional. These kids and how abnormal their lives were made Kendra CRY. I trust Kendra's real tears and the film I saw over Kate's delusional blog post. When even a playboy bunny is more credible than you, you've got it bad.
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Yes Sunny, we did. Dire warnings were everywhere. Here and all over the place. At least we can't say she wasn't warned.
He has a story to tell, heed my warning-doing reality tv comes at a price. The kids paid dearly, he has paid dearly. He didn't betray the kids. He's showing us what has happened to his life and his kids' lives due to the choice HE and tfw made to put those kids on tv. ___________________________________
But everyone already knew this. Also, he didn't say 'Don't put kids on reality tv". I wish he had just come out and SAID it instead of hedging around it.
Make them an example, sure, but do it full measure. Not half.
I didn't read TFW's blog because I refuse to give her hits, but her insistence that all the kids are just perfect is not realistic. They are 8 individuals. Some or all of them will have problems, that's just how it is in the real world. We have seen the behavioral issues from an early age, and they were still having issues as recently as Katie Couric's show. The fighting, the nastiness, the bullying, the spitting. There are obviously socialization issues, too. And statistically speaking, with 8 kids, some of them are going to have learning disabilities, especially since 6 of them were premies. I have two with ADD, and while I don't consider it to be a big deal, I also don't claim that my kids are perfect and wonderful. This mantra of "Oh, they're all just perfect" is not realistic, and their father is not going to make up things to say on TV about them that are not true.
I think we have all known the "perfect" families, who never seem to have any issues, they are all perfect and their lives are wonderful every moment of every day. Until something happens, and then the world sees how imperfect they really are. It's all facade. Nobody is perfect. No family is perfect. TFW loses credibility every time she claims that they are.
Jon sees those kids, from what he said, at least 10 days per month. He knows if there are issues. They talk to him, confide in him. He is not an outsider who is speculating about a family he doesn't know. He is their father.
My impression is that TFW wants them to be spoiled, entitled kids. It ties into her "I want to give them life on a golden platter" ideal. She doesn't want them to be normal or, in her word, mediocre. She wants them to be perceived as special and better than other kids. The entitled attitudes, to her, are proof that they are better, that they deserve and receive more, than all the ordinary kids. And that, of course, makes her special and better than everyone else, too. I hope Jon is able to intervene, or this alternate universe their mother has created for them is going to turn them into adults who cannot function in normal society.
Admin (56) "But I prefer that to calling them spoiled brats, which sadly sounds like the truth. Of course that is a consequence of their lifestyle. They were given VIP everything and now it's gone. I wouldn't expect anything less."
I couldn't agree more, Admin. And I think this is part of what Jon was trying to convey in that interview; the fact that he isn't a monster for "ruining" his kids' lifestyle, since that lifestyle wasn't good for them. Still isn't. By going public with the information, I wonder if he is not only trying to undermine TFW's effort to put those kids back on TV "because they miss filming so much". (Something she says in every.single. interview. she. gives...) It's not ideal, but I do think Jon talking publicly about his kids' struggles might be the less of two evils. "Somebody" has to say it out loud before TFW has her ways again.
I totally disagree with that. If everyone knows, why do so many families continue to put their kids on reality T.V.? Clearly they don't know or don't get it. Clearly the message still needs to be told until they get it.
**Also, he didn't say 'Don't put kids on reality tv". I wish he had just come out and SAID it instead of hedging around it.
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This I 100% agree. If you're going to speak out I agree, you should take it all the way.
I check this blog from time to time mainly because I worry about the Duggar kids still. I missed Jon's interview and was searching for a clip. I was reading on abc and there was a long comment that Jon is part of this site or has some control over it? I didn't think this site had any connection to Jon or Kate personally?
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LOL!! Kate monitors their development? She can't even monitor her own. She's still stuck in her early teen years! Oh, by the way Kate, myself is a reflexive pronoun, and incorrectly used here. Just pointing that out because you consistenty berated Jon on his language skills.
Bet Kate couldn't wait until the bus pickup so she could tell kids what their Father said for the whole world could see/hear. Kate's probably thinking that the kids will never want to see their Father again and that's winning in Kate's warped immature brain. Hopefully that will not happen and Jon can explain and become Daddy fulltime.
1. She sure didn't come up with that in her own. No explanation points. 2. Denial - she will never ever admit there are issues with kids / it ruins her plan. 3. Hippa rules prevents anyone discussing others wellbeing.so how will we know? Only Jon or TFW can say. 4. Milo sucks 5. She is only responding heeding off any future opportunities for them in tv. 6. There is no love lost between them. Jon has squashed TFW dreams. 7. Jon was on OPRAH ?? Damn 8.the children will read it someday( the interview ) and they will thank him!! 9. It's been a longgg time coming, thank you Jon . 10. Child exploitation is VERY bad. My view my opinion .
I saw how she parents these kids. Her reaction to the incident with Clay was to blame Clay. It never crossed her mind that Cara could be at fault, which she completely was. Cara was the one misbehaving and being unreasonable while Clay just sat there playing quietly with his legos. But Kate's one of those parents who absolutely refuses to even acknowledge that maybe, just maybe their perfect child could be at fault. Just like her reaction to Jon's concerns is to blame Jon and to not even consider that he could be right
As far as everyone saying the kids are great and polite, usually polite people say nice things. It's not really an accurate assessment of any kid.
As far as the facade, that's absolutely true. It was unbelievable to me the dysfunction that goes on behind closed doors in public families, once I was welcomed into one of those homes. Of course it's all roses for the cameras. Of course we all laugh and hug and toss a ball in the back yard. When the photoshoot is over, the kids are dumped back on the nanny and it was back to all the regular problems, everything from drugs and alcohol to a sham of a marriage to much more. She's not kidding anyone.
**Also, he didn't say 'Don't put kids on reality tv". I wish he had just come out and SAID it instead of hedging around it.
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But was this really the forum to do that? Doesn't this network have reality television shows? Why would they allow him to make a statement like that, knowing that this network (or its subsidiaries) promotes reality television?
My Response… NOVEMBER 4, 2013 I find it very heart breaking that my children’s father chooses a public forum to discuss his current opinions of the “development” our children. These opinions are, in reality, value judgements made about our children and they are based on his limited visits (albeit mutually agreed upon) with our children.
Because he has spoken negatively about our children, I feel I owe it to them to respond on their behalf. Each and every one of our children has met and continues to exceed all physical, mental and emotional developmental milestones throughout their lives. Their normal development is regularly monitored by myself, their pediatrician and school staff, as is usual within any family.
I'm confused.... how is ANYTHING Jon said in his 10 minute interview last night different than what Kate wrote about the kids in "I Just Want You To Know?"
Jon made a few non-identifying statements about their development. In IJWYTK Kate dissected every nuance and fault about each child. In. Great. Detail. Rehashing their behavior as babies and toddlers. Kate needs to get off her righteous high horse, dig a copy of IJWYTK out of the basement and revisit how very publicly she threw those kids under the bus. So tired of her hypocrisy.
I just read TFMJG's response, and am I the only one that noticed that....
''Each and every one of our children has met and continues to exceed all physical, mental and emotional developmental milestones throughout their lives. Their normal development is regularly monitored by myself, their pediatrician and school staff, as is usual within any family.''
...is in a different size font? Why would that be? Did someone else write it for her and she c/p it into her response? Or am I once again being my ole lady cynical self?
Jon made a few non-identifying statements about their development. In IJWYTK Kate dissected every nuance and fault about each child. In. Great. Detail. Rehashing their behavior as babies and toddlers. Kate needs to get off her righteous high horse, dig a copy of IJWYTK out of the basement and revisit how very publicly she threw those kids under the bus. So tired of her hypocrisy.
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She called Mady a liar. Mady won't someday read that and be hurt by that? She's told us all about these children's emotions and private stories. I think she said Hannah was damaged the most by the divorce. She doesn't get it. She really doesn't.
Jon is saying reality T.V. in general was bad for his children because it has harmed them in the following manner. He didn't go into the gory details like Kate did in her book. He didn't name names. He was responding to Kate's CONSTANT insistence that they go back on T.V. and he constant parental alienation. If she doesn't want him responding to her propaganda with the truth, she could stop mentioning reality T.V. so much, and HIM. After all reality T.V. contracts are negotiated behind closed doors anyway. She doesn't need to go on Good Morning America and announce her desires to go on T.V., it's completely unnecessary. And she sure doesn't need to throw Jon back in the spotlight. Oh how that lawsuit backfired!
I think it ironic that Kate wants to come to the defense of her kids, yet every bit of their bad (normal kid) behavior was captured on film and shown to millions. Fighting, crying, tantrums, hitting and being mean to other kids has all been shown, but now she's crying foul on Jon for speaking about his concerns. This from the woman who gave detailed, intimate information about how each child reacted to the divorce, including naming names. Is Kate the pot or the kettle?
Exactly, it's not okay to express legitimate concerns about reality T.V. but it is okay to write an entire book about how your children handled the divorce. Got it.
Gosh I'm not sure I can even think of another celebrity who wrote such painful things about their own children and so soon after a divorce. It's pretty much accepted in Hollywood that you DON'T talk about your kids in a divorce. Even Charlie Sheen abides by that rule.
...is in a different size font? Why would that be?
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Did she possibly copy and paste from another person's email to her telling her what to say and she's too stupid to put it in the same font she was using? Just a thought.....
This happens too when you change the font from the default and edit what you've written. It has happened to me when I have written emails or word documents that I have heavily edited. Sometimes it switches back to the default font and I have to reset it.
"Does she think the hitting, spatting, fighting, bullying, and defeated body language is "normal"? Truly, for kids these ages?"
She doesn't think about her kids. Heck, I'm not even sure she really looks at them. She "monitores" them. Part of her big educationnalish masterminding, I guess. I dunno: I'm just a regular mediocre mom...
Glaring poor grammar usage aside, does this sound like a parent, a loving and concerned parent? She outs herself each and every time.
Jon says he is a single parent of 8, his ex says he gets visits. She should have kept her mouth shut. No rebuttal necessary, just as Jon has done every time she threw him under the bus. Guess the media was not reaching out for her reaction today, so she took to her awful blog.
She wants to be able to direct the kids to her blog one day so they can read that she stood up for them. What's she going to do when they read her own journals -- her words -- about her need to remove herself from them for fear of physically hurting them? What will they think when they read about her greed and how she wanted everything for nothing?
Will she have an answer for that?
Milo, just get a gosh darn room and get your crazy lust satisfied for once and for all.
Mental and emotional developmental milestones monitored by school staff? Is this the same school staff that decided that two of the 8 needed to be expelled for bullying? That is not "normal" mental or emotional development. Is she trying to convince us that it's common for 6-year-olds to bully others to that extent? Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Call the Pope! According to TFW each and every one of the children is the Second Coming.
I do think what Jon said is much more honest than what TFW would have us believe - 8 perfect little Stepford children. I guess what we've seen with our own eyes was acting. I got what Jon was saying. It's kind of like government spending right now. When we look at our budget we have to decide if it's a necessary expense or a nice to have item. Not ever nice to have item is a necessary expense.
This happens too when you change the font from the default and edit what you've written. It has happened to me when I have written emails or word documents that I have heavily edited. Sometimes it switches back to the default font and I have to reset it.
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Sounds like she made a LOT of edits. I can picture her seething all day long tapping this out on her iPhone intent on "setting the record straight." Her first version was probably full of errors in her rage, but she managed to parse it down to only a few.
She could start with a job, then she would have to work all day and wouldn't have to worry herself so much over what Jon said on OWN. She would only have to worry when she gets home from work.
I didn't read TFW's blog because I refuse to give her hits, but her insistence that all the kids are just perfect is not realistic. They are 8 individuals. Some or all of them will have problems, that's just how it is in the real world.
She didn't insist that her children were perfect. Had you read what she actually said, you would have seen the following: "It is also very normal in a family, especially a large family, to have a full range of personalities, abilities, talents, hobbies and struggles. Ours is no different."
Mental and emotional developmental milestones monitored by school staff? Is this the same school staff that decided that two of the 8 needed to be expelled for bullying? That is not "normal" mental or emotional development. Is she trying to convince us that it's common for 6-year-olds to bully others to that extent? Sorry, I'm not buying it.
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Sounds like they begged to differ when they suspended the children for a long period of time.
Also in the history of celebrity children no school staff has EVER looked the other way. Sure Kate that NEVER happens.
I see Kate, wasted not time, responding to what Jon said, and is in total denial, of the effect and damage the reality TV has done to her children and herself. And yes Kate, you just stir up a hornets nest, for your own self gain. The smart thing would have been to say nothing. I'm sure her lawyers are going to be all over her, for opening her mouth. Kate the record was made a long time ago, you can't erase, what was made, recorded or spoken over the last several years. You just gave the media the catch of the day, you fell for the fishing trip. If you said nothing, and let it go, there will be no media blitz, and this would have fadded in a week. Some media and sicko fans and non-fans will be looking up the TV show and putting it on Youtube, pointing out the childrens behavior, manners, etc. THANKS KATE, making a media blitz for yourself, about/using the kids. You just signed the teasing paper at their school. Good work, the cookbook flopped, so you have to find another way to stay in the media. Kate, you are a tool!
Hobbies, personalities, abilities, and talents have absolutely nothing to do with admitting the kids have their difficulties. She went on to say that everyone who meets her children find that they are practically perfect in every way and that their school progress is perfection with EVERYTHING perfectly on target. I will concede she threw in one tiny little "struggle" in there. Otherwise, the post is overwhelmingly about how perfect things are. It's absurd and places an undue burden on those children to live up to such high expectations.
I noticed too she never did explain why their reality show is GOOD for the children. What she's basically saying is that as of this moment they are practically perfect in every way. I'm afraid in the world of sound logic, that neither proves or disproves whether reality t.v. was good or bad for them, especially the way kids on T.V. tend to not have problems until many years down the road. Perhaps she could write this post on their 30th birthday, but today it's absurdly premature.
Did she possibly copy and paste from another person's email to her telling her what to say and she's too stupid to put it in the same font she was using? Just a thought...
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That's exactly what I think happens." When you paste, a little clipboard comes up. You can choose "Keep Source Formatting" or "Match Destination Formatting. If you don't pick, the source formatting remains..
It's more like she's the leftover stew in the pot that was put into the sink and forgotten about until the next morning. By then it's too late to do anything with it.
@MiloandJack: @PatriciaChow1 @LEIGHSHAHAN1 @Kateplusmy8 Twins already got wise 2him...he will soon alienate the tups! Shameful 2embarrass kids that way!
I'd be careful making statements like that Milo. I think some of the "cute" statements your idol attributes to them would embarrass them just as much. As someone pointed out on twitter, the different fonts make it look like all she did was cut and paste from somewhere else. Please, please Robert, if you're going to expose anyone let it be Milo. #ticktock
Perhaps she could write this post on their 30th birthday, but today it's absurdly premature. ********** Just like penning a book about being a single mother before the ink on her divorce papers was dry. Do you think she'd moved on a looooooong time before the marriage officially ended? I sure do. After divorce, you don't have your head on straight for some time, and life doesn't level out to a new normal for quite some time, so I found the premise of her book, IJWYTK, to be preposterous.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85 As far as everyone saying the kids are great and polite, usually polite people say nice things. It's not really an accurate assessment of any kid. ---------------------------------- From the episodes it looked like the kids acted well in public because they were both so rarely outside of their home and they feared their mother's wrath. I don't think the kids ever looked comfortable outside, they just didn't. I think part of that is picking up on TFW's stress and reacting to it.
TFW could never handle going anywhere with all 8 without cosmic sized melt downs. You don't think the kids picked up on that and knew to be quiet and be herded so that TFW doesn't freak out?
Kate ought to be made to sit and listen while someone reads "I Just Want You To Know" TO.HER.FACE. And she think Jon criticized her children. Wow, again, she is a piece of work.
Wasn't Milo going on and on today about how well they do in school and how practically perfect they are in every way?
Hmm, it would be interesting to compare her wording to Kate's (Milo's?) public statement.
As far as the twins, Milo is completely mischaracterizing that situation. The twins are hardly estranged from anyone. Jon explained his relationship is fine with the twins and it was really due to school schedule and friends, not Kate, that they don't come with the tups. Instead, they carve out special time together, as I recall he put it. He never implied they like to be with Kate more than him, and for that matter, neither has Kate. He also never implied they don't see each other or have a bad relationship. They have their time, it's just not on the normal schedule and doesn't involve the tups, which I'm sure is a nice break for the twins. And if the twins ever did stop seeing him, it would be due to Kate's parental alienation. Sometimes, parental alienation works.
@PatriciaChow1 @LEIGHSHAHAN1 @Kateplusmy8 Twins already got wise 2him...he will soon alienate the tups! Shameful 2embarrass kids that way!
Geez, Milo. She allowed them to be filmed in their own vomit on a fishing boat. She discussed the twins' bra shopping, and you have the balls to say that Jon embarrassed them? How in the h--l would Milo know that the twins got wise to him? How could she possibly know how they feel about their father? This "it" person is not only annoying, obnoxious, but nuts.
Paula said... 111 Kate ought to be made to sit and listen while someone reads "I Just Want You To Know" TO.HER.FACE. And she think Jon criticized her children. Wow, again, she is a piece of work. _________________
Does anyone have a copy of the book? I'd like to see her criticisms of the kids printed here for reference.
The children are liars, naughty, try authority, they bicker, fight and tattle, among other things. All according to Kate. Here's a recap of some of the "developmental" information Kate disclosed in I Just want you to Know:
In Alexis’ letter, Kate calls her naughty and says the changes from the divorce have been confusing and upsetting to her. In Hannah’s letter, she says the divorce has caused pain and doubt and shaken her. In Aaden’s letter, she calls him an inconsolable baby and points out the many pairs of glasses he went through at a cost of $200 each. In Collin’s letter, he tests and tries her authority every chance he gets. In Leah’s letter, she says she bickers and fights and tattles, and was a difficult baby. In Joel’s letter he is too easy-going and laid back for Kate’s “rush-rush” personality and she lacks the skills to father him. In her letter to Mady, Kate insists to her that all the decisions she has made for her have been best for her even if Mady disagrees right now. She points out a time when Mady lied about a beach towel on the floor and said she wants to instill honesty in her.
I wonder which ROL writer is preparing tomorrow's article that gets the ball rolling for Kate to do a tv rebuttal tour?
I also want to mention that I'm cracking up at all the fan bloggers linking to their blogs on Kate's twitter so people can read THEIR opinions. (FYI, you couldn't pay me enough to visit one of those blogs. lol)
And, in the midst of the flurry of tweets, that gal that sent Kate her book to read pops up to pester her once again for a testimonial LOL
Tweet I just listed them for you above. I do still have the book kicking around somewhere. If I have time I'll get the exact quotes with page numbers, maybe somebody wearing crocks could do that this week, but for now this gives you an idea of the extent of her hypocrisy. Can you imagine if Jon yesterday said they were liars, naughty, tattlers, testing authority? There would be even more outrage than there is now.
Cammie Jon has nothing to do with this site. He did tell us he read here from time to time and ages ago gave us a few statements about the state of things that he gave permission to disclose, but that's the extent of it. The last time we contacted him, he asked us to just direct any questions to his lawyer.
Good point sunny. I never read IJWYTK but I hope that those on twitter pull out a copy and start quoting it back to TFW. Throw her words back at her and since she penned that tome her fans can't claim that anything has been altered.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 72 ''....I guess the blog girl should be fired, her post changes font size four times. How hard is it to post a post with the same font size?'' ~~~~~ I see I'm NOT the only one that noticed that! gotyournumberKate said... 92 ''......It has happened to me when I have written emails or word documents that I have heavily edited. Sometimes it switches back to the default font and I have to reset it. Does this even make sense? I'm tired. lol ~~~~~ Yes, it made sense, and may be the reason the font changed so much...she was editing a LOT
The real problem with the 'shudder' idea of a rebuttal tour is that TFW is so freaking inarticulate that given the opportunity, you know with the streaming 'mums', that she would be her own worst enemy. Let's just see who wants to book her - radio stations in Canada? No offense, Canada. You know what I mean. And yes, let's get her own printed negative words about her children out there if anyone does give her any air time. That would be karma.
Well, Kate stuck her foot in her mouth again. Could it be that if these are the most perfect, most amazing, most well-behaved children on the face of the earth that it's because their father saw what growing up on television did to them, said enough is enough, and he is the one who is teaching them respect, manners, how to behave...all social skills that their mother could never teach them?
That bitch just needs to be shut up and her kids taken away from her. She has gone beyond what anyone should have to take. Jon and family and even her family know what a hag she is and I know they would all help Jon if he got 100% custody and left WOS empty and dry. She could bang purseboy all she wanted. Kids get stable loving home with Jon who loves them more than life can say and biotch can bang stevie all night and day
TFW just justified everything I ever thought/ wrote/spoke and felt regarding her. She is unfit. The defining moment for me was gumgate. What nurturing mother Would throw away their child's favorite stuffed animal?? I will never forgive her for treating a child that way at that moment. Milo... I believe is someone that TFW has met and are friends. Not because of how she speaks of kate but how she doesn't speak to her own family. Milo needs to go tee off or something.distorted view makes for a distorted soul.
And, in the midst of the flurry of tweets, that gal that sent Kate her book to read pops up to pester her once again for a testimonial LOL
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The pesky author? She has her phone set to alert her when Kate tweets. I thought she gave up. Darn, she sure wants that testimonial. I thought she moved on to more influential celebrities, like the Long Island Medium!
Just for that stupid, stupid response to Jon's shining moment, kate DESERVES A FULL THROTTLE DEPOSITION in the lawsuit. She managed to piece and patch together from her end and another source a response, she copied and pasted with the fonts in different sizes, she DESERVES IT!
What a hypocrite! She dissected each child's soul in IJWYTK. Jon only said that the kids on tv was not good. They are having problems. kate takes that as a direct hit for not being on tv again. She knows she has to have the kids, to be filmed for tv, because they are the draw, not her. Calling her precious daughter a liar, she needs to be slapped hard just for that.
The smart thing would have been to say nothing. I'm sure her lawyers are going to be all over her, for opening her mouth.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they sanctioned it, or even helped her to write it...anything to throw Jon under the bus and make him look like a real jerk.
I was sort of happy Jon got that OWN interview, but now wish he had not done it. His words are being twisted and giving Kate another platform. She is a real piece of work. She's standing up for her kids NOW? She sat by while her kid was crying in pain from having impacted poop, fished while her kids lay in their own vomit, put a child on a cold floor and turned out the light so he couldn't mess up his bedding again, and screamed in their faces about any and every little thing, like eating berries after making a cake. She took a drink in front of her daughter who was begging for a drink and then told the kid to shut up when she complained. She lumbered in front of them like an ox in stilettos on nearly every episode, with little regard for their safety, probably assuming the crew would handle things. She wrote a book about every single child's negative (to her) tendencies, basically them all PITAs. But now she's taking up for them because of their horrible father, and she's so worried about them seeing this interview - never mind the dozens she's given that were much worse and obvious in their disdain for their father. Anyone who watched the show even one time saw her snatch the fun out of every activity, to include removing the kids from events where they were having a good time (camping) if she couldn't turn all the attention toward herself with her shrieking, histrionics, or just plain temper tantrums. We saw them screaming, slapping, punching, kicking, biting, shoving and spitting as recently as the Katie show (for some, not all of those behaviors). Two were expelled from school in kindergarten! And yet they are all, each, 100% exceeding every single physical, mental and other goals as determined by her and their doctor? Sure. I hope some of these blatant hypocrisies get pointed out by the authors of the articles you know are coming, concerning her rebuttal.
When our kids grow up, they may see their father’s latest interview and wonder why he made untrue and hurtful statements about them. I know that I risk stirring up an unwanted public and private “frenzy” by commenting on this, but, if our children ever stumble upon that interview, I want to be able to point them to this statement so that they know that I publicly set the record 100% straight on this one, for their sake.
-Kate Gosselin
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Oh please. Are we to believe for one nanosecond that she didn't fly into a rage in front of "our kids" when she saw this on tv last night? Or that she hasn't gone full tilt on her continuing parental alienation sessions with them at breakfast and again when she picked them up and all during supper and chores and bedtime?
"I know that I risk stirring up an unwanted public and private “frenzy” by commenting on this, but, if our children ever stumble upon that interview, I want to be able to point them to this statement so that they know that I publicly set the record 100% straight on this one, for their sake." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kate: The jig is up. We, the public, know that you love publicity of any kind. We, the public, have long stopped listening to your painfully inarticulate "set the record straight" interviews. We, the public, watched you repeatedly humiliate your children (and Jon) for the viewing benefit of millions. I expect that your children will "find" the interview sooner rather than later when you show it to them. So, Kate, it's time to pull the plug on your superior attitude, eat some humble pie, stop talking and start listening to what everyone is telling you.....for the sake of your children.
Didn't Kate make fun of Collin's big head and Mady's "ugly" teeth? I would assume they've seen those episodes when Kate makes them sit down together to reminisce about the glory days. How would she explain embarrassing them in those shows?
And that's the thing, she's been setting the record straight for two long years and really longer. Now it's Jon's turn. See how it feels? Not fun, is it TFW? Well, this is what it's like to be on the receiving end to your wrath all this time. Maybe next time you'll try to remember what that felt like. If you were actually on speaking terms with Jon you might work out together what is and isn't going to be said in the media. You've chosen to treat him like the enemy and as such he's doing what he wants to regardless of what you think. You reap what you sow.
I totally agree with you, Admin., been gone for a short while, only to come back and read things that make me feel like I fell down the rabbit hole! Trust that Jon is listening to Mr. Tuma every step of the way. TFW needs to be totally shut down, for the sake of those children. I pray that is will happen just the way it is supposed to happen. Have faith people!
Yes Luke, and at least there is something more to talking about kids on reality T.V. This is an issue of public concern, frequently in the media, frequently up for debate, and is an ongoing problem which is nowhere near resolved. The Gosselin kids' experiences are incredibly relevant and instructive to the public debate and the future of kids on T.V.
In contrast, there is NO point to talking to the media about how your child reacts to a divorce. It's well settled divorce is painful for children and there is not a single reason it should ever be public. There was no higher calling to Kate's stupid I just want to Exploit my Children's Developmental Problems book other than her bank account.
You know this just occurred to me. You know how Jon explained the main reason he pulled the children off T.V. was because he did not want to make them go through a divorce on T.V.?
I wonder if Kate's book I Just Want was a sort of F-U to that. Sort of like you may be able to take away the ability for me to put my kids through a divorce on T.V. but you cannot take away my ability to put them through a divorce in a BOOK so F-U!
However, anyone who has personally met our children all have the same thing to say: they are the most normal, pleasant, polite, loving and well adjusted children they have ever met. Most even go on to say that they are a “a delight” to be around.
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What in the heck is TFW's problem with Jon? Does she not remember her descriptions of them in "I Just Want You to Know"? If anything, I find her specific descriptions to be much more hurtful to each specific child than any generalizations from Jon. She needs to refresh her memory. UGHGHGHGH!
The doors have been blown open. The curtains are blowing in the wind. This response from kg is the funniest thing I have ever read. This response coming from a mom who sells their children faces / photos/ private moments through her website and profits by doing so. I laugh at her response. It comes of a place of embarrassment, the cat is out of the bag. Alllll those interviews of kg telling who ever would listen the kids are fine / well adjusted and miss filming got outed. I love it. She's not all that. She has no control in a controlled environment . She must spend every other weekend remolding those 6 that spent time at dads. She does not have total control of those kids, they have a father who actually sees them as people not circus animals. Shame shame shame.
When I see (and choose to respond or not) the comments that disagree with me, I simply see someone that has a different opinion. It would be a very weird world if everyone agreed with me...especially since I have such strong opinions that I know are sometimes 'off the wall'.
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Remona usually that's how I think too. I think you're great even though we disagree about Robert. I may get pretty passionate and worked up over something I disagree with, but unless you're attacking me, which does happen sometimes but I don't publish them, I rarely see it as anything more than a fiery debate. Also the nature of my business is argument so it's definitely not personal for me. However I have come to realize here that's not how everyone takes it. People storm off over things that would never bother me at all. I still can't believe TFW had the nerve to say what she said after she blabbed about these kids' private emotions in that book. In this an alternative universe??
It's also possible because they are celebrity children and a celebrity mother, people just suck up and say nice things about them even if it's exaggerated. Happens all the time both in real life and as we have seen on twitter. The fans will say anything to praise her and these kids no matter how untrue. This is true of any celebrity mom.
I always found this ridiculous sucking up bad for celebrity children. If they are not being nice children, they do not deserve such praise just because someone is trying to suck up to their mom. Celeb children also get their fair share of gifts and cards from strangers, also not good for them.
I hope they are just lovely kids to anyone who comes in contact with them, but just because she hears good things doesn't mean it's true.
Melissa NV: That could be true, but I'm thinking about the lawsuit. If Kate did not rebuttal, what Jon said, it would make him look like the dad who is not there, cause he does not live in the house, and that the book (not the cookbook) is not true, and Jon is bad mouthing the kids. It would make her look like a saint, as in she never says anything like that about her kids. Even though, we have seem proof on TV, twitter, internet, that she has talked about her kids in not a good way.. Since, she did say something, it does put her into a bad light, cause as I posted earlier, fans, non-fans and haters, she just gave fuel to them to show and talk about JK8, K8 & twitter, interviews etc, that what Jon said is true, what the guy wrote in his book is also true, and the lawsuit has no merit. Her lawyers are there to make Kate look like she has clean hands, so I do not think her lawyers would want her to say anything. Food for thought: since Kate came back from book tour and filed her lawsuit, she has for the most part been very quiet, hardly any tweets. Normal people & celebs would be talking & tweeting about the tour, Kate has tweeted very little. Even, posted no pics she promised: the annual fall pics, the dog party, the kids Halloween, pumpkin carving and a few other things, how come, did the lawyers told her to be quiet. This is not like Kate. I do believe that she had help with this post on her web-site, but not from a lawyer, more like Jamie or Deanna.
I would guess her attorneys didn't approve this one. I can't explain it but it really doesn't sound like attorney speak. It's sort of flowery and convoluted, and most attorneys don't write like that. It's also too specific. Attorney statements don't usually pin things down like that. I suppose she could have written it all herself and then gave it to them and they said sure whatever. But I don't know it just doesn't have an attorney-sanctioned feel to it. Just a hunch.
Oh please. Are we to believe for one nanosecond that she didn't fly into a rage in front of "our kids" when she saw this on tv last night?
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Is that what that was? There was a rumbling, and dishes in the China closet were shaking shortly after 11 p.m. I thought we were having a minor earthquake, but I never gave it a thought that it could have been Kate going on a rant, throwing things and stomping around. If it happens again, at least I'll know what to blame!
Anonymous (FRP) said... 134 ''I was sort of happy Jon got that OWN interview, but now wish he had not done it. His words are being twisted and giving Kate another platform. She is a real piece of work.'' ~~~~~~~~ Well...I'm very happy that Jon got the interview on OWN. We all saw what he said. The WOS that is TFW has GRABBED another platform, Jon didn't give it to her. Let's just see how many actual television interviews she gets from her version of standing up for Jon's children. I would be shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, if she gets a single tv interview. Her attorney's ears must be deadened from her phone calls, but SHE filed the lawsuit, and now she really should sit down and shut her stuck on stupid mouth!!
It just seems to me that since she's always treated the kids as if they were nothing more than a commidity that she'd make sure they were spoken of in the best light, even if they set the interviewers hair on fire.
That said, I'm with you Admin. I'm also hoping they are lovely, polite children, thanks be to their father.
I don't think she wrote 100% of that on her own. She also said 'OUR children'. She has always said 'MY kids'. So funny she is trying to sound like they are co-parents.
Another thing: she never apologized for the ungrateful & nasty things she said or disclosed about the children! This went in for years & now she's standing up for them? Pluzzee! Mady's going to hear her making fun of her teeth. Collin about his head, Macy's onxibious earrings or nail color (it was something orange). What she is trying to be on twitter IS not what was seen in TV. She must think she can have a totally different personality on twitter, aka super mom.
TFW'S latest missive = i know you are, but what am i.
The best thing she could do for Jon's kids is to be publicly silent and deal privately with any fallout.
She's just a hopin' N prayin' that someone/anyone will have her on teevee as a result of her latest missive. Any opportunity to be away from the kids and get some attention for herself.
Oh Kate, give us all a break. Jon is not telling us anything we didnt already know and see for ourselves. We see how the kids behave with Jamie's kids, and I recall how they also related their one little cousin.
Jon did not say they were bad kids, he just said that tv has not encouraged the best manners and their morals have been compromised because of their needs and wants.
Tit for Tat Kate thats my new word for her TFTK... hmmm, kind of like FUFK....
This isnt even a train wreck anymore, its just laughable. I feel so sorry for those kids.
There is absolutely no difference in Jon using the kids to validate himself, and TFW doing the same--at least to me. I don't have different standards depending on who I like most, or how much worse one parent's behavior is than another. There is absolutely no justification or rationalization that justifies the types of disclosure that he made. _________________________________________
I agree with you Ex Nurse. God help those kids. Their parents aren't.
No, Kate, you publicly set the record 100% in hopes that you can continue to exploit your kids. You are transparent, myopic, abusive, grammatically challenged, self-serving and pure evil. Your kids will look back on their dad's interview and know he fought to save them. By that time, you will have been long deserted by them.
Exactly, it's not okay to express legitimate concerns about reality T.V. but it is okay to write an entire book about how your children handled the divorce. Got it.
Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin! Jon's turn now. And so it goes.
There will be no rebuttal tour...because nobody gives a crap about her anymore. Except for a few fans and non fans the majority of the public will not visit her blog and read her stupid bullshit. No one cares kate. she just can't resist can she? I knew this was going make her completely bonkers...how dare she try to use this to make herself look like the better parent. Not gonna work this time Kate. The jig is up, we al know what you're about . She is beyond disgusting...how in the world does this woman sleep at night is beyond me. So she is essentially calling Jon a liar. YOURE the liar ...now GO get a JOB...you have way to much time on your hands if all you have to do all day is write some stupid rebuttal that most people don't care about...you're an opportunist jackass. How dare you...
Can Jon file a motion in family court that the children be evaluated by an independent child psychologist? If he has legitimate concerns, shouldn't he act upon them rather than Kate farting rainbows about the kids?
She wants the tabloids to pick up her blog response. BUT it can backfire. OWN does not have much of an audience and my guess is that Jon's interview is news to the general public. By responding, people will be curious as to what he said. If he came across as genuine, people will make up their own minds because she does not relate well with the viewing public. I bet she was seething that she did not snag an interview with Oprah.
I think Uncle Steve helped her write that response. Definitely she did not speak to an attorney. She hates Jon so much it has got to be affecting her relationships with the kids because when she looks at them who does she see: Jon. I feel particularly bad for the boys.
Once again, she is giving Robert and Jon's excellent lawyers more material to work with. And I am no lawyer but I have to wonder if those lawyers have dug up quite a bit including Milo's identity in their preparation for a possible upcoming hearing. Robert seems quite positive lately with all of his posts.
That book with 'letters' to the children is much worse then Jon's interview. SHE disclosed her fellings about each child, their reaction to the divorce, their shortcomings. Etc, it was as if no matter what she will always remember Mady lying about the towel, for example. It's a freaking towel! Does she hold grundges against them? And it was written before the divorce was finializied if I recall or not long after that. She couldn't think of a better topic to write than that? Move on, TFW.
My Response… NOVEMBER 4, 2013 I find it very heart breaking that my children’s father chooses a public forum to discuss his current opinions of the “development” our children. ________
Um ... Kate ... I believe that Twitter and your 'bog' are also public forums. Looks to me like you are doing the same thing. Just saying. _________
And also, I wonder how many times Jon has tried to discuss this with her ... you know, via text and/or email since she won't sit down and talk to him. I'm sure her response is much the same as with everyone else ... ignore, deflect or deny.
I have to think that Jon also speaks with the kids' pediatrician and their teachers. I highly doubt those folks are telling Kate everything is wonderful and telling Jon that there are problems.
Wow, just logged on to find this new topic! Yup, classic narcissist, her version is THE version. You see what anyone who has contact with this lunatic has to deal with? She will twist and turn your words. She will DENY anything she has said in the past INCLUDING her own written words. You're dealing with a crazy person. DrPhil had the same kind of mother on just last week. Adult kids want NOTHING to do with her. She was in a land of conspiracies and delusions. I just pray the G8 choose to live with their dad when they legally can make the choice . We just saw those kids as recently a few months ago on Katie Couric. They sure weren't very polite.
My impression is that TFW wants them to be spoiled, entitled kids. It ties into her "I want to give them life on a golden platter" ideal. *********************************************************************************
You're right, and then she denies them food, gymnastics, music lessons, camping...this is the mind of a narcissist.
She really needs a program that is 26 weeks, maybe even 52 weeks, and it probably needs to be coupled with intensive therapy at least two times a week, a full evaluation by a psychologist and report and diagnosis, and some intensive in home services, to even begin to have hope of addressing her issues. None of that is likely ever going to happen. ************************************************************************ She would sit through it because it was court ordered, but she would never ever EVAH learn anything. You CANNOT change a raging narcissist. Her rebuttal is yet another example of this.
Vanessa said... 173 Wow, just logged on to find this new topic! Yup, classic narcissist, her version is THE version. You see what anyone who has contact with this lunatic has to deal with? ******* How many times have we seen tv show hosts interview her and ask over and over again about how the children are? Looking genuinely concerned, I might add. It seems highly unlikely, if not impossible, for these children to have come out of this fish bowl unscathed. Yet, Kate would look every one of them in the eye and say "they're doing great!". It's understandable that the kids act out from time to time and Jon did not mention names, as Kate did. I think Jon's making the case, if not so eloquently, that filming children's intimate lives comes at a price. To me and I think most people watching this unfold, this is a foregone conclusion. I think what Kate's done and continues to do is far worse. She's maintained for years now that Jon is not all that involved with his kids and has implied that's his choice, and has gone further to marginalize his role by saying that she can't father the children (why should she? Jon's alive and still their father) while in the next breath, questioning (indignantly) how Jon could have any say in the children's upbringing because they spend less time in his custody. How dare Kate be challenged.
If they went through the testing process for Kindergarten and one or more wasn't ready for Kindergarten, the school advises the best placement for them. Kate could have screamed her head off, saying she wanted all of them in Kindergarten, but if the kids weren't ready, that's not where they would have gone. There was no harm done in red-shirting them. Much better for them to be kept together than for some to be ahead of others in another grade. In that case, those left behind would have wondered why they weren't "good enough" to be with their siblings. She didn't hold them back. Jon didn't hold them back. *****************************************************************
I agree with this, but instead of ramping up the filming, traveling and only spending time with their siblings they could have spent that extra year preparing them for school. Play therapy, speech therapy, more story time etc. They (and I include Jon in this) did nothing to help them achieve the proper milestones. Make a damn effort at least!
You've chosen to treat him like the enemy and as such he's doing what he wants to regardless of what you think. You reap what you sow. ******* I didn't see the whole interview, but will dvr another showing. What I did hear from the clip was Jon turning the other cheek-- repeatedly. What I heard was that Jon wished they could communicate and that he wished Kate well in everything she does. Whoa! This is a woman who is suing him YEARS after their divorce and his alleged transgressions, one of which is giving Robert Kate's journal. In this journal, which Kate has never denied are her own words, Kate documents severe physical punishment involving Jon's children, yet she has the temerity to question Jon's parenting. Jon wishes the same women well in all she does, the same one who rejoiced in having an emergency supply of Spankers in her vehicle, so she could strike his small children with it to "happy them up". Wow.
I have to say this approach of ‘responding’ to Jon’s interview is something new. I don’t recall her ever writing a blog about something he said. I haven’t visited her website since early last year. Usually she would run to the first TV station to ‘set the record straight’. That was practically the next day! So why write about it? Is she hoping the media will pick it up and book her for some TV time?
Also, I guess the excess rules at her house did not work. The bombing of rules on the chore jar & the 1,000 chore list…I think they learned to function by having a rule given to them. What Jon talked about---these are social issues. They are having problems differentiating their home life to real life. Her rules, so they do not know the rules of the society or how other families may function due to isolation. They may not have learned how to function on their own socially. I kept thinking they might not have been taught to have the tools to separate their home life from other aspects of their lives, i.e. their school, church, etc. I cringe to think they think they can’t get along with others without a piece of paper listing rules telling them how to behave, how to think, etc. That is what I think it must be how they operate in society. The combination of the excessive rules, her personality and being on a reality tv show finally has shown it was not GOOD for the children, after all. They did not benefit from that combination.
She was so hoping to get the children back on TV. I guess, not anymore, huh?
Oh Kate, give us all a break. Jon is not telling us anything we didnt already know and see for ourselves. We see how the kids behave with Jamie's kids, and I recall how they also related their one little cousin. ******* Kate's reaction this time is no different than her reaction to Jodie and Kevin when they spoke about filming with Rep. Murt. How dare they reveal the Christmas episode was not "real". How dare they? If you question Kate's parenting, she will turn on you in an instant. There is no pulling the curtain back as far as she's concerned and she controls the narrative, period. Just wait for Kate's fanatics to turn on any and all of the children should they decide to speak out in a negative fashion.
Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin! Jon's turn now. And so it goes. ******************************************************
Actually it hasn't been "tit for tat", this is the FIRST time he's spoken, after how many countless times SHE has? Going on 4 yrs? The final straw is a bogus lawsuit? I'd say he's been pretty consistent in trying to keep private.
Whst does TFW mean "his current opinions"?? She makes it sound like he has a different opinion every other day.
Another not so subtle way to invalidate what he is saying, to give no credence to him.
Other examples of her invalidation/implications....he has had so many jobs I don't even try to keep track of where or if he is working, his girlfriend of the week, he lives his own life (it's so weird that we don't even want to know)....and on and on.
Wow. She truly is vile. Sick.. Thanks to her and Jon, I know more about these kids then I need to know.. She needs to get off twitter. As a matter of fact, if I had 8 kids, god knows I wouldn't have one second to be online. Jon didn't do anything wrong in this interview. Thanks to these parents, I saw Hannah poop in her under wares. Collin? With impacted bm. Maddy act like a normal brat, Leah, well poor girl. I could go on and on. KATE. YOU did this to your kids. Both you and Jon. The big difference is, Jon realized he screwed up. You could learn from him. Sadly in a few short precious years your twins will be grown. The younger kids will be teens. They will act out in a bad way. I can see it already. Both parents need to knock it off tho. But I can see how kate poked Jon with the stick one too many times. Does it make it right? I dunno. Jon has the right to defend himself.
As for "milo" tat person seems more twisted then kate!! How strange.
TFW is the person who said her two kids weren't expelled but were behind in an "academically challenging" school, where it was "mutually agreed upon" that they be at home, and not more than a month into the school year they were "excelling" at home with their tutor.
She lives in denial land, and denying to your kids the reality of their problems isn't better than telling the whole world of their problems. The difference is, Jon's motivation is to warn others against reality TV and to stop any momentum TFW has to get them back on TV. TFW is doing it to get attention for being the perfect parent to perfect children. Going by motivation alone, who would you believe?
"Sure, they’ve got the occasional — and very normal — bursts of attitude that goes along with being teenagers, but fortunately for me, I’m a young enough mom (cough, cough) that I myself remember turning 13 and all the difficult hormone induced years of confusion that followed.
When these difficult moments arise, I am striving to love them and be patient with them as they grow and work through this timeframe. “They can’t help it” comes to mind often and when I need extra reminders, I glance at the gummy toothless (and drooly) smiles in the baby photos I have nearby to remind me of the who is inside of that somewhat “unloveable” person displayed in front of me."
Hormones, attitude and unlovable. Wow, happy birthday kids, now let me tell you what a challenge you are, in my normal, passive-agressive way. But, I'll strive to love you. Ouch.
Where's Jon's rebuttal? Oh, that's right, he just kept his lips zipped while Kate penned this utter crap, PUBLICLY, on her blog.
FRP said... 134 I was sort of happy Jon got that OWN interview, but now wish he had not done it. His words are being twisted and giving Kate another platform. -------------------------- I kind of agree. I don't think Jon should be concerned about what the public thinks of him. If he's doing interviews to speak out against reality tv and against putting his children back on TV, fine, let's hope he picks up the crusade with more vigor. But if he's trying to win the favor of the public, he's entering a rabbit hole, and all he's accomplishing is pissing off his ex, who he still has to try to co-parent with the next day.
I honestly don't care about his reputation, or about being "pushed too far" in the media by TFW. He shouldn't be concerned with any of that. His only concern should be his kids, and warning the dangers of reality tv.
I went back and watched W'S and there was definitely an attitude with many of the kids. Some of the others just look defeated.
I'd like to remind TFMJG about Globegate. Didnt she blog about how one of her kids was a lying lyer who lies but she got to the bottom of it and they all decided who the culprit was...which turned out to be WRONG because the true equator pealer came in and confessed! How does she think the boor boy will feel when he stumbles upon that blog someday and reads how his mom and all of his brothers and sisters feel about him. Is it Lord of the Flies in that house in order to survive?
What she wrote in INWYTK will come back to haunt her in this instance. She can condem Jon and take what he said out of context but her words are there for all to read. What's that you say Milo? Oh, she wrote that out of love and they're private letters to her kids while Jon said it on TV for all the world to hear. Gotcha!
As was said up thread, tweeters need to start quoting things from IJWYTK on her timeline. Quoting from the journal won't have as much impact because the fans still claim that it was altered but quoting from her book is another story all together. Hasn't she said that M&C have read all her books? If they didnt find anything wrong with IJWYTK I don't think they'll find anything wrong with what Jon said.
Maybe her next book should be a compilation of all her blogs.
Vanessa, I just want to say how much I appreciate your information on narcissism. You gave me some good advice a few years ago when I was dealing with my crazy narcissistic aunt. She held incredible power over her mother and her sister (my mom), who were both quiet, polite, and disabled.
My grandmother died last year, leaving everything in her home to my mom, who had been her long-term caretaker and had no home of her home. My aunt was--and is--livid. She crosses her fingers a lot and says she and my grandmother were "like that". (They weren't.) She implies that my mom is below and beneath her. It's a constant battle.
I like when you say they'll deny their own words. She is also a huge liar (like TFW). I've been taking the brunt for my mom, especially now that she lives with me. My aunt is brutal and arbitrary and then will end a screaming fest with "love ya" like it's all perfectly normal. She couldn't reach my mom on Christmas morning because I couldn't get to the phone (while opening presents) in time. She left a bizarre message demanding to know where her sister was--as if we were holding her hostage.
And I've never seen such greed. It's mind-boggling. Nothing is ever enough. (She did receive half of my grandmother's money, yet she still nickels and dimes my mother to death.) Where do these nuts come from? My grandmother and grandfather were salt-of-the-earth people and my mom is a very nice and generous person.
I feel for the Gosselin kids every time I think of them being holed up with someone like my aunt. And if Jon Gosselin is finding his own now--more power to him! I have determined that I will not be bullied, although she keeps. on. trying. But taking a stand against these narcissists is exhausting!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 147 It's also possible because they are celebrity children and a celebrity mother, people just suck up and say nice things about them even if it's exaggerated. ------------------------------------- Name one guest on J&K+8 that didn't say nice things about TFW even though she was a monster witch to them the whole time? Every single one of them said veiled nice things, even though you could TELL that there was more to the story that they WANTED to say, but couldn't. You think it's different for the kids? What guest in her house (and on TV no less) is going to say something mean?
Also, this woman has no one in her life that will be honest with her. She surrounds herself with sycophants. She gets rid of anyone who is even remotely honest with her. And we're supposed to believe that the children are well adjusted because some stranger or suck up of TFW says their nice? Sorry, TFW, that's not a strong argument, especially when we have factual irrefutable evidence that says otherwise.
How do you explain the biting, hitting, screaming, and meltdowns? How do you explain your eye rolls as a reaction to their fighting? For all the years and all the episodes of that show, we never once saw TFW get down on the kids level and show them how to right a wrong done to one another, or show them how to work out problems with one another. Instead we saw her banish them to the basement, and hit them, grab them, pull them, and yell at them one inch away from their faces. They DO have problems, and guess where they learned them? By example...from TFW!
My favorite line to give my aunt is, "The last thing I can do for my grandmother is to carry out her will in the spirit in which it was intended." It makes her furious! heheheh. I tell my mom, "She knows she can control you, but she doesn't feel she can control me. And it makes her mad." We actually laughed a bit over that.
I can only imagine how TFW is seething. I like the image someone gave a few weeks ago of Kate sitting in the corner smashing wine bottles and glasses. Seriously. She's probably got those crazy, dead, monster eyes right now while her brow is botox-frozen. Scary. Poor kids.
It ties into her "I want to give them life on a golden platter" ideal.
---------- I agree to! But as for camping, gymnastics, etc, she wants to keep them spoiled and entitled on SOME ELSE's dime! It was ok when TLC was paying for the kids to go to gymnastics, but don't ask TFW to dig in her own pockets! If she really felt that the kids deserve life on a gold platter, than she would do her part and not beg for freebies and a show. In her warped mind, Katie deserves life on a Gold platter. Her actions prove that it's all about her. In my opinion, I think she is trying to live a priveleged in order to get back at her parents. After all little Katie was the "forgotten middle child". She herself said that the first time she flew on a plane was on her honeymoon. IMO, her parents were probably more giving people. They lived frugally and didnt go on lavish trips. Her father was a pastor and her family owned the campground. In Robert's book, it was mentioned that her father had lots of money. I believe in Kate's warped narcissist mind, SHE deserves a life of luxury and this way of life is her redemption from the mediocre life she was forced to live growing up.Just my opinion, of course.
Mannnnnn...she is getting hammered on her own twitter feed. How humiliating. Isn't that supposed to be her lifeline. How does it feel Mommy Dearest? Kate, you my dear, really put your foot in it this time. You can't help but open that big mouth of yours. Did you ever hear of self control....OH WAIT...She should close that twitter..its doing more harm than good. Why is she so clueless? Please answer...
TLC stinks said... 168 Can Jon file a motion in family court that the children be evaluated by an independent child psychologist? If he has legitimate concerns, shouldn't he act upon them rather than Kate farting rainbows about the kids? ------------------------------ I'm no expert, but family law courts generally don't want to deal with he-said-she-said stuff. Mental abuse is hard to prove, and if the kids have clothes, shelter, food, and time with both parents, there's little left to figure out in courts that won't make a Judge feel like they're wasting his/her time. Now, if one of the kids comes to family court to say that their mom's mentally abusive and they want to live with their dad, well that's a different story.
Admin's description of not-getting-resolution-from-suing is similar to family law courts a lot of times. You don't get much satisfaction from taking your ex to them. They're not there to settle every dispute, just the absolute major ones that are easily provable to one side. And what's major to you is not always major to a judge, especially when he/she knows that you don't get along. You're best bet is making an effort to get along with your ex outside the courts...but well, y'know.
Suzy said... 180 Also, I guess the excess rules at her house did not work. The bombing of rules on the chore jar & the 1,000 chore list…I think they learned to function by having a rule given to them. What Jon talked about---these are social issues. They are having problems differentiating their home life to real life. Her rules, so they do not know the rules of the society or how other families may function due to isolation. They may not have learned how to function on their own socially. I kept thinking they might not have been taught to have the tools to separate their home life from other aspects of their lives, i.e. their school, church, etc. I cringe to think they think they can’t get along with others without a piece of paper listing rules telling them how to behave, how to think, etc. That is what I think it must be how they operate in society. The combination of the excessive rules, her personality and being on a reality tv show finally has shown it was not GOOD for the children, after all. They did not benefit from that combination. -------------------------- This reminds me of homeschooling. Homeschooling is seen with a stigma because there's a risk of non-socialization with like ages. I think we've all met at least one homeschooled person who is just a little bit...off...socially. Well that's like the Gosselins. Did they ever really interact with kids their own ages outside of their family? Did they have play dates? Did they go to the park and play on the jungle gym with other kids? No, they didn't, they were being filmed, they shut down museums, amusement parks, hay rides, corn mazes, etc.. for them. They were always isolated to just their family unit.
And their family unit wasn't any great shakes either. They were largely ignored, and if not ignored berated. So now they were isolated for at least 4-5 years in an almost wild environment. They had no hope of being taught proper socialization.
I hope that school has helped them some. I do hope they get to be with friends and they get to learn how to act a little bit. But I think we've heard that they're in the same classes together so that might not be good. If I were their parents, I'd try to split them up as best as I could so that they'd have to learn to make new friends outside of their family.
What I think they really need is to get away from TFW as quick as they can and be given play dates and gentle coaching and consistent punishment/rewards for bad/good behaviors (with no anger involved). But unfortunately I don't think that will happen any time soon. :(
You know if she were a normal person and a normal concerned mother, and if she truly did not see the behavior Jon is seeing, shouldn't her first reaction be deep concern? Wait a minute, if Jon is seeing something I'm not seeing, what is going on here? Are they behaving differently at his place, or am I missing something here, or am I misinterpreting something? Instead of furiously typing up a rebuttal to the public, shouldn't you immediately pick up the phone and say hi Jon I heard what you said about the children and I'm very concerned. We definitely need to talk about this and make sure we're all on the same page about them and they're getting all the help they may need.
But noooo. She doesn't care one damn bit these kids are having problems. She just can't stand that Jon changed the agenda and burst her perfect facade she's been putting out there. So her gut reaction is pay no attention to that man behind the curtain lies all lies, instead of what a truly loving mother's reaction should have been: deep concern.
Another possibility is that they do behave better around Kate because she keeps them so busy with choring and hard labor they don't have time to act out and she's such a dictator they're afraid to rock the boat too much. We saw how beaten down and suppressed the boys looked at her house, walking around in a daze. When they go over to Jon's, they may have two weeks of pent up rage built up that just comes bursting out. I really feel for these kids. Something sounds terribly wrong, be it from reality T.V., being raised by Kate, or both. I hope Kate will agree to them getting some regular therapy now, not later.
What I think they really need is to get away from TFW as quick as they can and be given play dates and gentle coaching and consistent punishment/rewards for bad/good behaviors (with no anger involved). But unfortunately I don't think that will happen any time soon. :(
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I also get the sense the vast majority of their time is spent together, in the pack, especially the younger 6. The problem is like most multiples they feed off each other and many parents of multiples I've ever talked to do say they were a bit more aggressive and wilder than any single kids they had. I think they always have that other person to feed off, they always have a challenger and compatriot and also someone else vying for Mommy, and it breeds a bit more of a scrappy kid. Now times six with it not being properly curtailed, and this is what we get.
I think it would help tremendously if they each developed completely separate friends and separate interests. Like the multiples I know, it might even be incredibly beneficial to send some of them to separate schools. The twins I know, one goes to an arts school and one goes to a school with a strong sports program. It won't be convenient for Kate driving them hither and yon, but it sure would help them be individuals and break out of this concerning pack.
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Milos on a rant right now...she sounds like such an asshole.
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Holy Cow! I went over there and thought I'd landed on Goody's TL by mistake. So much for the prim, proper, sweet li'l ol' religious Southern gal routine.
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Virginia Pen Mom said... 183
FRP, I like how you call the mysterious Milo "it"! lol, too funny. Milo's so upset right now that she's found her "g's."
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Hilarious!! My favorite comment of the day!
Joyinvirginia: Own, TLC, Animal Plant and about a dozen more channels are all owned by Discovery. Just type in Discovery and all the channels they own come up. When people here were talking about the McGees on OWN, that they are starting to take the JK8 route, is cause Discovery owns them & TLC, and are using the same formula, that made JK8 original famous.
It was sickening to see the sterile walls in the kids bedrooms when they showed kate jumping all over the kids about the STUPID DRAWER KNOB! She went SO OVERBOARD with that. All she had to do is tell them that if they find one to bring it to her and she would fix it or put it up for later or for their Dad to fix.
That poor little boy that danced, the reason why he danced is the STRESS HIS MONSTER MOM put on him right then about the STUPID DRESSER KNOB! This was the only way he could try to relieve himself of the stress.
The walls at kates are so sterile and institutional, compared to their dads. I loved seeing the artwork and seeing I LOVE DAD. They truly love their dad.
I want to go on record, Milo is nauseating and messed up.
Wish NEV would research Milo. We would be shocked to find out who this Milo person really is. I had a crazy thought the other day, it could be Gina. On Milos twitter it says she is a happily married female supporting kate gosselin. Still happily married to Steve while Steve makes a killing off kate. I don't think this is really true, but how could Gina stand by Steve the way kate and Steve travel together, stay in the same rooms, he would guide her hips in crowds, delete pics upon her demands?
Her wearing the nude/flesh colored very small bikini at the BBQ, at the mansion a few years ago, in front of Steve's tween boys and her own kids, running around the mansion. It was so funny, someone put it on the Ape to Man chart! hahaha
JoyinVirginia said... 188
OT: only 26, or 27 hours, i'm not sure which, until the Virginia governors election is over! I am so very very tired of election ads. Whoever wins, I hope he apologizes to the voters in his acceptance speech, and whoever loses should apologize in his concession speech, apologize to all the Virginia voters for all the negative ads. Le Sigh
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My phone has been ringing off the hook. I'm just picking up and hanging up over and over and over.
The candidates have been so nasty. I've not idea what the heck they stand for, other than attack ads.
I'm not voting for any of these bozos.
Elizabeth Durand @missdurandnyc 2h
I interviewed @jongosselin's mistress's brother, and have a hard time believing he didn't cheat. http://usm.ag/HqRrJt via @usweekly
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Jon said Kate came to him and told them that as far as she was concerned the marriage was finished and he could do as he pleased, then she promptly banished him to the garage apartment. What's a sexually healthy man supposed to do? Zip it and become celibate because his screwball wife won't sleep with him anymore? If she had decided their marriage was done, he can't be accused of "cheating" on her. Geez.
Bitchy Pants said... 185
Those of you who live in areas where the teens are willing to do things like mow lawns and rake leaves and shovel snow are lucky. The kids around where I live won't do it. They say it's "demeaning".
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sigh...
I'm afraid a lot of our young snow shovellers have been seduced and snatched away by video games.
In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with:
Manners
Needs
Morals
With their peers
Knowing what is right and what's wrong
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I think he was saying since the 8 didn't grow up like a normal child that wasn't in the public eye that they have issues in these areas.
I mean you can clearly see this is kind of true just by watching J&K or K+8.
I know this sounds crazy, but I had a dream about the Waltons, the other day, which I love that show! The Waltons were all in the living room, in their house, sitting around the radio and they were on reality tv. The cameras, I saw the guy holding the pole with the microphone on the end and I heard them all go awe, moaning, like, we have to do another RETAKE? I remember Olivia had her head down with her hand on her forehead shaking her head like WHY DID WE SIGN UP FOR THIS?
Then all of a sudden Grandma gets so angry, she runs out and she was walking fast down a dirt road, looked exactly like the one in the movie the Wiz.of Oz. She was mad and had a broom and she was walking fast, talking and mumbling to herself and sweeping tiny rocks off the road. I was running beside her on the side of the road trying to talk to her.
I think the reason WHY their was no parent classes and a Guardian Ad-litem is because the legal pit bulls at TLC stomped a mud hole in that idea. It is a shame that they were not required to take parenting classes. TLC did not want it to get out that kate was a loose cannon and that would of possibly stopped the gravy train. You know kate refused to do it and Jon was unable to again fight the big machine of kate and TLC's pit bull legal team.
Now, the tide has turned. Jon has the pit bull team, kate doesn't.
Can't wait for the book to roll, the lawsuit to depose and Milo EXPOSED!
My goodness, what can be wrong with Milo who sees no flaw in Kate but is quick to pick them up, real or imagined, in Jon and others. Does she think 9 year olds don't need morals and manners? And what shame did Jon bring upon them?
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Kate sees the good, the positive & highlights the milestones of her kids growth. She has stated they R all excelling N school!
Oh give it a rest already. Kate lies. You are a liar's cheerleader. Nothing you say will change anything in your gf's life. Go get one for yourself. She doesn't care about anyone but herself.
Admin, it is my understanding that Discovery Communications Inc. now includes 28 network entertainment brands including Discovery Channel, TLC, OWN, Animal Planet, Bravo, ABC, NBC, CBS, BET, TV Land, etc. Consequently, the use of the TLC clips would probably not require permission?
When people here were talking about the McGees on OWN, that they are starting to take the JK8 route, is cause Discovery owns them & TLC, and are using the same formula, that made JK8 original famous.
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Right down to the nakedness, potty training and tantrums.
LOL! Elizabeth Durand's twitter intro:
Elizabeth Durand
@missdurandnyc
I almost know many famous people. US Weekly & Yahoo
New York, NY
haha! "almost". WTH does that mean?
According to ABC online, "In last night’s episode of Oprah Winfrey’s “Where Are They Now,” Gosselin sat down with Winfrey to talk about his eight children and how because of the family’s former reality show “Jon and Kate Plus 8,” they didn’t get to grow “up normally, like I grew up.”"
Really? When did this happen? I didn't see (or hear) Oprah doing any of the up close and personal interview.
Ex Nurse said: "In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with..."
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No, he didn't say that they were developmentally delayed. What he said was...:"developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people...they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what’s right and what’s wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV.”
He said they have problems. Anyone who has been keeping up with the family has seen this on television. Kate put the kids there. She allowed their fights, their problems with siblings, their melt-downs all to be filmed. Parents, classmates, teachers, could see their behavior issues in a myriad of clips/episodes. Two of them were expelled from Kindergarten because of problem with their peers and adults. He didn't making a shocking revelation that anyone who knows anything about child development couldn't see with their own eyes -- right on national television.
This is from Robert's blog:
We know who the online Kate critics are thanks to the helpful hackers of the world, but I wonder if Kate Gosselin or any of the people closest to her have ever posted comments on her behalf on blogs or on Twitter, under an assumed name?
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
#TickTock?
Any guesses what this means??
Ex-Nurse said,
"I missed the show, but watched a short clip, in which Jon said that the kids have trust funds and college funds (isn't clear if the college funds are part of the trust funds, or separate.)"
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Perhaps you should have watched the entire interview instead of a short clip so you could have heard in what context all of that was said (the developmental issues, peer relationships, etc)...
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 110
No Tweet, he did not say they were developmentally "delayed."
He said "Developmentally, they have problems." Huge difference.
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I stand corrected on my earlier post with the link to the clip. However, I don"t see the 2 statements and being hugely different. If they are having developmental problems, isn't it likely that they are developmental delays? Possibly, the issues don't rise to the definition of developmentally delayed, which could qualify some or all of them for special Ed services (defined as 30% below the average, as measured by standardized testing in one or more areas of development. ) but,
Unless he is saying that they are developmentally advanced (which wouldn't be a problem), they are most likely on the spectrum of being developmentally delayed.
Midnight Madness said...
Perhaps you should have watched the entire interview instead of a short clip so you could have heard in what context all of that was said (the developmental issues, peer relationships, etc)...
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If someone posts a link, I will. Haven't been able to find it online.
Should Milo really be running around loose? I mean, if you have your g's one minute, and lose them the next, who knows what else she/he/it will be missing?
It's tweets like this that call for some heavy-duty rumspringa. Better than pounding one's head against the wall:
hater hater @BuzzedBunny 2h
@Kateplusmy8 Once again Jon devastates his children & leaves Kate to pick up the pieces.
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
#TickTock?
Any guesses what this means??
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I don't know, Tucker. Tis a puzzle. I thought he meant that one or more of the sheeple are going to be outed very shortly and that we all may be surprised to find out who they really are.
I almost know many famous people. US Weekly & Yahoo
New York, NY
haha! "almost". WTH does that mean?
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She almost knows Jon's former alleged girlfriend's brother's roommate's pizza guy who delivers food to a dry cleaning service who almost knows a celebrity whose driver takes his clothing there?
Somewhere in Time said...
He didn't making a shocking revelation that anyone who knows anything about child development couldn't see with their own eyes -- right on national television.
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Then why say it at all? How is that in the kids best interests? Why violate the privacy he fought for? I just wish he would use the best interest of the kids to filter between his brain and his mouth. Those kids have been a topic of discussion since they were born, 9 years ago. They have finally faded from the public, and here comes their father, shooting off his mouth with Oprah, and being quoted as saying that they have developmental problems.
I wasn't even critical of his going on this show, because he did a great ,job on The View. As long as his comments are about himself, I think he could have a carrier in entertainment. Just leave the kids out of it, and stop violating their privacy. This is no different than Kate talking about bras and periods. Which she was soundly and rightfully criticized.
Winsomeone said... 151
''...A person is welcome here if they adhere to group think about Jon..anything else is not welcome period.''
''...... Ex-nurse was shamefully jumped on for expressing her opinion about Jon too.''
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I am WAY behind on reading the blog, but I do want to comment on this statement. Winsomeone, as one who has had repeated, long discussions of disagreement with ExNurse, I have never seen myself as jumping on her. She may disagree, and if she does, I hope she will say so.
Maybe it is because I've been online since 1997 on mostly soap opera message boards, maybe because I just naturally have a thick skin, or maybe because I'm just dense, but I don't see someone not agreeing with me as an attempt to shut me up, or attempting to make me feel not welcome on this blog.
I'm in total disagreement with Admin and many others about what Robert is doing on his sites right now. I've commented over and over about how much I enjoy what Robert is doing, and have had those comments disagreed with...sometimes in very 'pointed' comments. When I see (and choose to respond or not) the comments that disagree with me, I simply see someone that has a different opinion. It would be a very weird world if everyone agreed with me...especially since I have such strong opinions that I know are sometimes 'off the wall'.
So...what do you all think? Am I dense? Do I just naturally have a thick skin? What? And...don't think for a moment that anyone's honest opinion is going to hurt my feelings, make me cry, or post a goodbye cruel blog comment!!
Now off to catch up and see how many others have said what I said, only MUCH better!
Could someone be so kind to post a link to the current timeline of Milo. I am following her on twitter but the posts are a couple of hours old.
TIA.
Good lord, these kids need new parents. Private life means PRIVATE, dad. So much for their only safe haven.''
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What exactly did he divulge about their lives that is sooo private? What did he expose?
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Jon said they have problems developmentally with "manners" and "morals," ...
Those private things. I'd be mortified if I was 9 and my father said that about me on national television.
No, he didn't say that they were developmentally delayed. What he said was...:"developmentally, they have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people...they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what’s right and what’s wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV.”
He said they have problems.
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Exactly, Developmentally delayed is NOT the same as "developmentally, they have problems."
Ex Nurse said... 197
I missed the show, but watched a short clip, in which Jon said that the kids have trust funds and college funds (isn't clear if the college funds are part of the trust funds, or separate.)
In addition to being developmentally delayed, he also said that they have problems with:
Manners
Needs
Morals
With their peers
Knowing what is right and what's wrong
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I don't know why it is such a bad thing that a Jon admits to EVERY quality that has been discussed in depth here and on other blogs. It is not a secret that the children have problems. Why is it that we can discuss it and say that they need to ADMIT IT and find help for those children but when he does he is criticized for it. Had nobody seen that which he spoke of then it could be handled secretly. Anyone that has seen the show who meets them in real life is going to experience their behavior. I myself would be less critical if I knew that at least one parent knew and is aware of their problems and is trying to address them. I would tend to be more patient with them. As far as them finding out their dad said that publicly? Same thing. Their behavior is no secret between each other. My sibs and I knew who were brats, who were the spoiled, who were rude and who was weak. If I had been in the public eye and later learned that my dad stuck up for me when it came to telling others that "yes, they have/had problems but I tried/trying to do my best to help them when I recognized it was getting out of hand." I would be so grateful. Of course they won't understand it now, they are children. But when they mature they will understand. They did it publicly, it needs to be UNDERSTOOD publicly there is a problem and it's being addressed. Do we want him to do like TFW? "Oh, the kids are great, perfect and mannered" when we know different. Look what we say about her for that. Damned of he does, damned of he doesn't.
This is the very behavior that has caused him to want to live in the woods AWAY from this, for himself and his children. Had he kept silent, gone through the lawsuit and lived in obscurity we would be debating why he hasn't done more for the children, and how he is a rotten, lazy parent.
I think when people can't let go of things and are so harsh with opinions without any mercy, the problem doesn't lie, or however you spell it, with the one they speak harshly of but is really with one that is closer to their own life and the deflection gives some resolve. Any resolve can be a good thing but will never lead to a healthy place when it is deflected on someone else.
MissGoody comes to mind as a good example of that which I am trying to say. She has never met Jon or watched the show yet their is much hatred for him you can feel her wrath through her words. It does open a small door to her life without giving away any painful secrets. Just her name alone gives you a glimpse that she has problems.
If someone posts a link, I will. Haven't been able to find it online.
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Ex Nurse - If you get the OWN channel on cable, it will be re-aired about six times in the next week, starting tomorrow (Tuesday) night.
Tucker's Mom said... 15
This is from Robert's blog:
We know who the online Kate critics are thanks to the helpful hackers of the world, but I wonder if Kate Gosselin or any of the people closest to her have ever posted comments on her behalf on blogs or on Twitter, under an assumed name?
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
#TickTock?
Any guesses what this means??
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I'm hoping he is going to tell who Milo is. hehe hope, hope, hope
I recall the subject of the kids being developmentally delayed being discussed here quite a few times. In all likelihood some of them may very well be because of their upbringing. Kate did try to infantilize them as much as she possibly could to keep those adorable dollars rolling in.
Ex Nurse...
Being that I am a trained medical professional in pediatrics I can tell you with 100% certainty that there is a difference between have certain developmental issues and being developmentally "delayed". Jon is not saying they are physically or emotionally delayed compared to their peers. He also did not address their academic abilities, which is different, and not necessary to discuss. By saying they don't know the difference between wants and needs, he's saying, for example, they think they NEED an iPhone as opposed to WANTING an iPhone, again just an example, no actual truth to anything about iPhones. What he's saying is that through the years and clearly where Kate's priorities are, the children see items or places/trips as things that they must have and need to have to be happy. Clearly, these are luxury items and he's saying they don't understand the difference. That is a valuable moral lesson all children should learn and know. These children don't. That is a problem.
Milo spews on twitter about academics and what not. First, what Jon said is completely aside from their academic grades. She doesn't get that. Secondly, two of the kids were expelled from kindergarten from some of these same issues that he again is discussing. Kate discussed them on national television and on news media shows. Bottom line, they needed therapy! And they got some. Not enough though. In reality all Jon said in this interview is the opposite of what Kate always claims about the children. Spoiling children, which lets face it, it's what happened on that show, they saw you demand and you receive. Kate focused on the material wealth. It's really hard to learn right from wrong, good strong morals and wants vs needs, from Kate Gosselin!
Jon has always come across as very genuine in his interviews as opposed to Kate who seems so agenda driven. Regardless, I'm still not in favor of him putting himself out to the subsequent bevy of e-tabs and their accompanying comments sections that often misstate and criticize his intended words. This is a public relations war that he will never win. People will never forgive his Ed Hardy and pub hopping with different girls days. No matter how sensible he comes across, the most vociferous and prolific posters in those comments sections will never see him as anything more.
Another thought on snow removal, maybe Jon was able to take some of the machinery that was on the compound for such tasks. If Kate has a contracted service for landscaping/snow removal, perhaps Jon got "custody" of such an item or two.
Ah, Jason Hummel, the fellow who was giddy over being in the spotlight, as brief as it might have been. 182
I'm betting he sold that story for a lot of money, given the timing.
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Nice post, Ally!
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues. Being a spoiled brat doesn't qualify you as being developmentally delayed but it sure can make life hard. It's about time someone was willing to be honest about the negative effects of such a lifestyle. He has every right to explain why he is so concerned just as Kate has explained over and over why filming is so positive for them.
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles.
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That's my problem with giving interviews. Although this was a kinder, gentler forum (as stated by the interviewers on HuffPo) there are always words that are misstated in the moment or misinterpreted by others that live on and provide fodder for days on these e-sites. Jon was doing pretty well with his lawyers speaking on his behalf during all of this lawsuit nonsense. Why risk that?
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues.
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You're probably right, admin. Remember that Jon isn't polished when it comes to interviews. Finding the correct words may not come easy to him.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 10m
@SiobhanR111 @Kateplusmy8 He already admitted 2Barbara Walters that he pays no CS..now we know he doesn't support them emotionally either!
Good gawd, Milo. Calm down. You're going to work yourself into a state (and not a good one). Go have a double Jack Daniels until LOM shuts you down for a good night's rest! You're going to say something you'll regret and find yourself in a twitter deleting frenzy.
Why doesn't Kate put an end to all of this? I know, I know. She loves it, but still -- she needs to stop these Jon-hating tweets right now.
Remona Blue, I so enjoy everything you have to say on this blog, you can say what I am thinking, but from you it is said so much better. This blog would suffer a great loss if we ever lost you! Yes, I think you are thick-skinned, which is the way I wish I was.
One VERY important sentence came at the end of Jon's interview that I barely caught but I think is important. He said that he'd been leading a quiet life but was getting 'drawn back into' the media. I firmly believe that we wouldn't have heard from Jon for a long time if TFW hadn't filed the lawsuit.
She opened the door to Jon needing to speak up and defend himself and his kids. It sure was a long time coming, but I can't blame him for feeling the need to finally answer some questions and I'm impressed he's done it without negativity - in total contrast to TFW's insinuations and outright accusations. His interview was positive with no talking in riddles, just plain and simple this is my life now, this is how I think my kids were hurt by the past, and while TFW and my lifestyle and values are different, I'm trying to do the best for my kids.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 36
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues. Being a spoiled brat doesn't qualify you as being developmentally delayed but it sure can make life hard. It's about time someone was willing to be honest about the negative effects of such a lifestyle. He has every right to explain why he is so concerned just as Kate has explained over and over why filming is so positive for them.
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Funny, did we not say that being cut off from family, having few friends, not being allowed to participate in sports & lessons or go out in public without TLC would affect them socially?
Didn't we say that Kate's insistence that money+things=love would give them a messed up sense of values?
Didn't we fear that Kate' complete lack of empathy and concern for anyone but herself would cause the kids to have the same?
We did. Years ago.
lukebandit,
Milo was twitter silent for about 4 hours until she started back @ 30 minutes ago. This is a search result for her on twitter:
https://twitter.com/search?q=miloandjack&src=typd&f=realtime
If I recall, Jon and Kate both said some of the younger kids were not ready for kindergarten so they were all held back to be in the same class.
Also, she had the younger kids in highchairs, bibs and sippy cups at the age of seven. She must have read somewhere that this had been noticed. All of a sudden they were in regular chairs at the dinner table.
The children really do not get along that well. The way they hit and spit on each other is disgusting. They were rude to Kendra and also rude to Katie Couric. They do not have manners and really need to address these issues before they get much older.
Ally (31): Excellent post. Jon is saying that the kids expect THINGS. They learned this from their mother. He is trying to teach them the difference between need and want, and that because they were once on television and had so many luxuries, that it doesn't last forever, and they shouldn't feel entitled to those things. It's a great lesson. Then they go home to their mother and see what's important to her are material things. How confusing that must be to a child.
Milo is on a tear today, too bad nobody, including her idol, gives a rat's rear end. Not supporting his children emotionally? Well, you know they will always have you, Milo, which is especially nice since their mother doesn't support them much in any way.
Yes there's always a risk with public speaking something won't come out right. There is also a risk if no one is willing to speak out about the real dangers of reality tv atrocities that happened to these kids will still continue. Both to these kids and others.
Went to ROL and this was posted:
my Aunty Eleanor recently got a fantastic white Mercedes-Benz GLA-Class SUV by working part-time from a home pc... read this article WWW.FB39.COM
Here is my response:
kate gosselin got a new AUDI 4 when she had her new FIAT towed to the dealer claiming it was broken down on the side of the road, she tweeted. She also never tweeted what the mechanic said what was wrong with it, after many inquiry's. She needed an excuse on why she had to get a new AUDI 4! And she doesn't even work part-time from home, SHE HASN'T WORKED/EARNED A STEADY PAYCHECK IN OVER 2 YEARS! What is her SECRET?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 10m
@SiobhanR111 @Kateplusmy8 He already admitted 2Barbara Walters that he pays no CS..now we know he doesn't support them emotionally either!
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^^^^This. When Robert's hint is revealed it's going to be that Milo is Skeeve or someone else Kate put up to doing this. It has to be. Strange as they may be, the rest of the flock have qualities that make them appear to be real people. Milo, not so much.
Irony. Sweet, bitter irony. Kate is suing because she claimed she was hacked, but she gave the go ahead to have scores of people with an opinion to be hacked. She was convinced Jon and Robert were socking on the other blog, but it looks like she might be the one who has people socking for her. smh
Someone upthread asked about parenting classes.
Both Jon and TFW were ordered by Family Court to take two three-hour classes called "Children in the Middle". This was reported in April '10 and they supposedly had until June 8, 2010 to complete it together OR separately OR online. The course focuses on co-parenting. It's required of all divorcing parents in Berks County. I think it's safe to say that they won't be used in any promo materials touting the success of this class.
So, I guess it isn't enough that the kids had to work to support their parents. Now, it is their job to be poster children for the stop putting kids on reality TV cause. And here I thought most of us wanted the kids to lead a normal life. If one or more of them want to contribute to that cause, they can do it when they are the age of legal consent.
Yes there's always a risk with public speaking something won't come out right. There is also a risk if no one is willing to speak out about the real dangers of reality tv atrocities that happened to these kids will still continue. Both to these kids and others.
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And you have to way that risk with the current atmosphere. Right now, Jon is embroiled in a fairly public lawsuit, the consequences of which could have repercussions on both him and his kids. Now is not the time for him to be unburdening himself in an effort to clear the air or land an IT job.
If his agenda is to serve as a warning to families who throw their kids to the reality tv wolves, I say wait until the lawsuit is resolved and then stand on your soapbox.
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Awesome post, Ally! I agree 100%.
We had Chinese take-out tonight. I just opened my fortune cookie:
"Someone who has been unfairly criticized is just trying to do his best."
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 36
I think developmental was probably the wrong word. He should have said socially they are having struggles. All his examples are social issues.
Actually, Jon is right. Moral development (personal and social) can and is mesured in different well-defined stages by child psychologists. (Piaget, Kohlberg, Eisenberg, to name a few.) Kohlberg has established a scale of progression by age group that I use regularly in my line of work. Interesting stuff when one has the "littles" in mind while reading it...
If his agenda is to serve as a warning to families who throw their kids to the reality tv wolves, I say wait until the lawsuit is resolved and then stand on your soapbox.
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I'm sure he did weigh it and discuss it with his excellent lawyer. Speaking out about reality T.V. and giving an update has absolutely no bearing, none whatsoever, on his lawsuit. His lawsuit is about alleged hacking. The court is not going to care one stinking bit what he thinks about reality T.V. or for that matter Kate or his children. This is not family law court. These are allegations about computers, and each and every piece of evidence must have a direct bearing to the allegations themselves, what little is left of them.
In family law court, you can get away with all this bellyaching about he said this or that on T.V. That kind of thing doesn't fly in some computer lawsuit. The court will not CARE.
Even if Kate COULD complain to the court about what Jon is saying, the court would just turn around and tell her wait a second don't you make your fair share of public statements? And that will be the end of that.
I think he just felt now was the time to go public and if he was going to respond to the lawsuit he might as well talk about how he feels about everything else Kate has said too. I think the lawsuit pushed him to that point. Kate has no one to blame for herself. She should have shut up.
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If I recall, Jon and Kate both said some of the younger kids were not ready for kindergarten so they were all held back to be in the same class.
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Not Jon and Kate, just Kate is the one who held the 6 pack back from starting kindergarten using the excuse that they were born prematurely. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Kate did this so that they would be available for filming Kate + 8 during the week.
This means that the 6 pack will turn 18 in May before they start their senior year in high school in September.
K+8 filmed one episode -- the one where Kate and the 6 went to the neighbors farm, where they were walking in the road and one of the boys had trouble walking because something was in his boot -- before Jon pulled the plug on the show.
Of course months later a settlement was reached between TLC and Jon and K+8 was back on the air.
Actually, Jon is right. Moral development (personal and social) can and is mesured in different well-defined stages by child psychologists. (Piaget, Kohlberg, Eisenberg, to name a few.) Kohlberg has established a scale of progression by age group that I use regularly in my line of work. Interesting stuff when one has the "littles" in mind while reading it...
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Good to know. It sounds like Jon has been reading and talking to child development experts. I think the problem is most layman associate "developmentally" with developmentally delayed. At least two people here and most of the sheeple are accusing him of calling the kids developmentally delayed, which he never did. That gives us a clue how strongly that word is associated with mental delays, even if it doesn't always mean cognitively.
Since most people don't have that background it was probably the wrong word choice for the general public because of the association. But I prefer that to calling them spoiled brats, which sadly sounds like the truth. Of course that is a consequence of their lifestyle. They were given VIP everything and now it's gone. I wouldn't expect anything less.
Also agree with Ally 100%. What is WITH shooting the messenger? I don't care who says it, Jon or Kate or anyone, if someone is saying reality t.v. or anything is causing such severe social problems for young children shouldn't we assume the worst and go from there instead of shooting the messenger and refusing to hear it? Hate the message not the messenger. be outraged that reality T.V. or possibly their mother could have such a huge affect on them.
Just like what happened to Corey Feldman. It's trull unbelievable. No wonder everyone is so petrified to rock the boat and actually speak up when something is wrong. You get lambasted for it. Outrageous and IMO WRONG.
No one is making the children poster children of anything. What hyperbole! What posters are they on? In seriousness, this is just reality. The kids were on a show that was damaging to them. More shows are out there very similar to their show. The McGhees were just shown potty training. Anyone who saw something wrong about the after affects of reality T.V. has a moral obligation to speak up. If Jon noticed, he should say something. Especially when the other parent keeps putting propaganda out there that there's nothing wrong with it. The Gosselin kids already ARE famous, part of the pop culture and part of one of the most famous reality shows involving kids of all time. You can't undue the fame, it's done. You can't undue them being reality T.V. kids, it's done. What you CAN do is try to bring some good out of it. Try to wake people up to not only what's wrong about filming itself but what's wrong about it two, three, four years down the line. You can wait until they are 18, but how many more kids will be harmed in the meantime?
Should the victims in the Penn State scandal not have told anyone until they were 18? They have become poster children too I suppose, right? That's absurd!!! They are legal age now but that's only because the stupid adults in the situation did not help them in a timely manner. If they had done their jobs this all would have exploded when they were still kids. I wouldn't dream of accusing those who spoke out of trying to make poster children out of them. They would be trying to HELP them.
I am shocked anyone here would not support the disclosure of information that paints reality T.V. in such a terrible light. I thought we all found common ground in taking issue with kids on reality T.V. We may be all over the spectrum in terms of what is acceptable and appropriate and what is not (for many, nothing at all is tolerable), but fundamentally we all had an issue with kids on reality T.V. on some level. Color me completely confused. I'm at the point where I'm skimming certain posts feeling like I'm talking in circles trying to explain something that is just so fundamentally obvious I felt.
In this case, I don't hate the messenger. I prefer him by far to his ex-counterpart. I just think in this case it's better for him to win the war and use that as leverage to win the various battles he aims to fight.
Hand, I guess I was with you less than 4 weeks ago. I've changed my mind. I think the way he's handling things now is working for him. Discounting the 6 sheeple who will hate and spin ANYTHING this guy says, most comments both in the media and online have been overwhelming positive. Public perception of him has changed. He's getting tweets from strangers about how awesome he is, big invites to The View and OWN, and he is crushing Kate's lawsuit with a great legal team. We don't have to agree with the decisions he makes but if I were him I would think gee this seems to be working I'm going to stick with this momentum and stick with what's working. I think I'd be more concerned if I didn't know Shawn Tuma was advising him. I trust Shawn's judgment and I trust that Jon will listen to him. People don't drop half their lawsuits every day. And that was before they ever even got to court. Things are going fine for Jon. Does he have a tendency to push the limits of things, press his luck? Yes, that's Jon. But he's going to do what he's going to do and I have to support the only person willing to speak the truth about what did and is really going on here. I have to support his efforts to try to shut down Kate's crap once and for all so he and the children can TRY to have a normal life going forward without these constant disruptions from Kate. I wish him the best.
Not Jon and Kate, just Kate is the one who held the 6 pack back from starting kindergarten using the excuse that they were born prematurely. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Kate did this so that they would be available for filming Kate + 8 during the week.
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If they went through the testing process for Kindergarten and one or more wasn't ready for Kindergarten, the school advises the best placement for them. Kate could have screamed her head off, saying she wanted all of them in Kindergarten, but if the kids weren't ready, that's not where they would have gone. There was no harm done in red-shirting them. Much better for them to be kept together than for some to be ahead of others in another grade. In that case, those left behind would have wondered why they weren't "good enough" to be with their siblings. She didn't hold them back. Jon didn't hold them back. They did what was advised by educational professionals.
The kids still went to school full-time, three days a week. I don't see that this would have been much of an advantage to filming since there was only one free day between school days...not enough time for trips, and Kate loved her trips. Certainly, if classes were held on Mondays and Fridays only, this would have been an incentive for Kate to want them all in Junior Kindergarten.But that's not what happened. Don't forget that the twins went to school five days a week during that time. What would have been the advantage in holding the younger ones back? Were they planning on filming just them and not the twins?
"This means that the 6 pack will turn 18 in May before they start their senior year in high school in September."
And that's a bad thing? Many kids are 18 when they graduate. They will be 19 for ONE WEEK ONLY when they graduate. Is that a problem? Will they be bullied because of it? I doubt it.
I remember the parenting class because we have something similar in CA called Parents Beyond Conflict. I've talked to parents who say it was tremendously helpful. But it's usually much long rand more intensive. Six hours is nothing. She really needs a program that is 26 weeks, maybe even 52 weeks, and it probably needs to be coupled with intensive therapy at least two times a week, a full evaluation by a psychologist and report and diagnosis, and some intensive in home services, to even begin to have hope of addressing her issues. None of that is likely ever going to happen.
Well, we can't say we didn't see that coming. Kate responded on her blog. She has to have the last word. She doesn't know when to shut up.
My Response…
NOVEMBER 4, 2013
I find it very heart breaking that my children’s father chooses a public forum to discuss his current opinions of the “development” our children. These opinions are, in reality, value judgements made about our children and they are based on his limited visits (albeit mutually agreed upon) with our children.
Because he has spoken negatively about our children, I feel I owe it to them to respond on their behalf. Each and every one of our children has met and continues to exceed all physical, mental and emotional developmental milestones throughout their lives. Their normal development is regularly monitored by myself, their pediatrician and school staff, as is usual within any family.
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Kate just responded to Jon on her blog. Of course the kids are wonderful and perfect and have NO ISSUES whatsoever. Jon doesn't know a single darn thing because he doesn't see them that much. (she has to be sure to throw that in)
Of course Kate. The kids are perfect. It's all lies. Just lies to make you look bad.
You know she would have SOO much more credibility if she didn't insist on the kids being so perfect all the time. If she said when any of our kids ever had any struggles that would be a private matter that we all work together to address. At least admit that like ANY family things aren't always perfect.
We know for a fact they had issues after two of them were suspended. She can't deny it.
As for her kids being the most normal, pleasant polite....well we all could see them on CWS and Katie Couric. Sadly, I found the children to display bullying behavior, the hitting was ongoing, and the boys looked shockingly distant and defeated. It was so bad Katie Couric said playing a simple game outside was a bad idea. For gosh sakes, they are 10 and 13! She can say all she wants about how wonderful it is but the film shows otherwise. This is exactly Jon's point. Kate refuses to see it. The utter denial is very concerning.
I guess I'd be very curious to know how she would respond to their behaviors we saw on CWS and Katie Couric. Does she think the hitting, spatting, fighting, bullying, and defeated body language is "normal"? Truly, for kids these ages?
If so, I don't know that she will EVER get it.
Kate Gosselin is really one sick individual. Pray for those children.
By the way as for the kids being the most pleasant and polite....gee you would think with Jon in their lives he really would have messed them up right? Jon can't be that bad if all she gets are compliments about how wonderful and amazing and perfect her children are. Surely he would have messed with that by now, evil as he is.
I have news for her. Her kids are kids like any other and even if they are very good kids, which we can see from the film itself they struggle with, all kids act up and have issues sometimes. That's how it goes. It does not make you a bad mother just because you run into some challenges with your children. What makes you a bad mother is when you IGNORE the challenges right in front of your eyes and refuse to examine what may have caused them and get some damn introspection. She's infuriating.
I'm going to go ahead and predict another media blitz by Kate to set the record straight.
What a mess, what a mess.
What a mess, what a mess.
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No kidding. It's like pandora's box. Wonder if Kate is regretting yet this lawsuit. Like Jon said in the interview he was pushed back into the media (by Kate.)
David Sutherland's Country Boys documentary is great. I keep hearing Cody's grandmother with her charming Tennessee drawl: "Cody, Cody, Cody! What a mess, what a mess, what a mess!!" LOL she was so cool.
I think too this is where their value system is conflicting. Of course Kate doesn't see something wrong with a kid demanding an iPad or an iPhone or private prep school or this or that because for her it's only the best and for her material things are not only to be expected but they are a right.
Just a hypothetical example, Jon might see a 13 year old having a tantrum over not getting the latest iPhone as a serious problem. Kate, on the other hand, might be proud of the child for demanding only the best for her or himself and not settling for the iPhone 4s. And this is where in Kate's mind there truly IS nothing wrong whereas Jon is tearing his plugs out over it wondering how they got to this point. I can see that and I ALMOST get where she is coming from because in her mind, I really think she refuses to understand or see what is wrong.
I guess the blog girl should be fired, her post changes font size four times. How hard is it to post a post with the same font size?
Kate, millions of people saw your children's behavior on CWS and Katie Couric. We have eyes. Your children are not happy and content. They appeared to be sad and lost. Who in the he____ are you trying to kid?
Paula, I'm afraid she's delusional. These kids and how abnormal their lives were made Kendra CRY. I trust Kendra's real tears and the film I saw over Kate's delusional blog post. When even a playboy bunny is more credible than you, you've got it bad.
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Funny, did we not say that being cut off from family, having few friends, not being allowed to participate in sports & lessons or go out in public without TLC would affect them socially?
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Yes Sunny, we did. Dire warnings were everywhere. Here and all over the place. At least we can't say she wasn't warned.
He has a story to tell, heed my warning-doing reality tv comes at a price. The kids paid dearly, he has paid dearly. He didn't betray the kids. He's showing us what has happened to his life and his kids' lives due to the choice HE and tfw made to put those kids on tv.
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But everyone already knew this. Also, he didn't say 'Don't put kids on reality tv". I wish he had just come out and SAID it instead of hedging around it.
Make them an example, sure, but do it full measure. Not half.
Notice that she reduces Jon's custody time with the kids to VISITS.
VISITS.
I didn't read TFW's blog because I refuse to give her hits, but her insistence that all the kids are just perfect is not realistic. They are 8 individuals. Some or all of them will have problems, that's just how it is in the real world. We have seen the behavioral issues from an early age, and they were still having issues as recently as Katie Couric's show. The fighting, the nastiness, the bullying, the spitting. There are obviously socialization issues, too. And statistically speaking, with 8 kids, some of them are going to have learning disabilities, especially since 6 of them were premies. I have two with ADD, and while I don't consider it to be a big deal, I also don't claim that my kids are perfect and wonderful. This mantra of "Oh, they're all just perfect" is not realistic, and their father is not going to make up things to say on TV about them that are not true.
I think we have all known the "perfect" families, who never seem to have any issues, they are all perfect and their lives are wonderful every moment of every day. Until something happens, and then the world sees how imperfect they really are. It's all facade. Nobody is perfect. No family is perfect. TFW loses credibility every time she claims that they are.
Jon sees those kids, from what he said, at least 10 days per month. He knows if there are issues. They talk to him, confide in him. He is not an outsider who is speculating about a family he doesn't know. He is their father.
My impression is that TFW wants them to be spoiled, entitled kids. It ties into her "I want to give them life on a golden platter" ideal. She doesn't want them to be normal or, in her word, mediocre. She wants them to be perceived as special and better than other kids. The entitled attitudes, to her, are proof that they are better, that they deserve and receive more, than all the ordinary kids. And that, of course, makes her special and better than everyone else, too. I hope Jon is able to intervene, or this alternate universe their mother has created for them is going to turn them into adults who cannot function in normal society.
Admin (56) "But I prefer that to calling them spoiled brats, which sadly sounds like the truth. Of course that is a consequence of their lifestyle. They were given VIP everything and now it's gone. I wouldn't expect anything less."
I couldn't agree more, Admin. And I think this is part of what Jon was trying to convey in that interview; the fact that he isn't a monster for "ruining" his kids' lifestyle, since that lifestyle wasn't good for them. Still isn't. By going public with the information, I wonder if he is not only trying to undermine TFW's effort to put those kids back on TV "because they miss filming so much". (Something she says in every.single. interview. she. gives...) It's not ideal, but I do think Jon talking publicly about his kids' struggles might be the less of two evils. "Somebody" has to say it out loud before TFW has her ways again.
But everyone already knew this.
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I totally disagree with that. If everyone knows, why do so many families continue to put their kids on reality T.V.? Clearly they don't know or don't get it. Clearly the message still needs to be told until they get it.
**Also, he didn't say 'Don't put kids on reality tv". I wish he had just come out and SAID it instead of hedging around it.
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This I 100% agree. If you're going to speak out I agree, you should take it all the way.
I check this blog from time to time mainly because I worry about the Duggar kids still. I missed Jon's interview and was searching for a clip. I was reading on abc and there was a long comment that Jon is part of this site or has some control over it? I didn't think this site had any connection to Jon or Kate personally?
Jon is tearing his plugs out
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LOL!! Kate monitors their development? She can't even monitor her own. She's still stuck in her early teen years! Oh, by the way Kate, myself is a reflexive pronoun, and incorrectly used here. Just pointing that out because you consistenty berated Jon on his language skills.
Bet Kate couldn't wait until the bus pickup so she could tell kids what their Father said for the whole world could see/hear. Kate's probably thinking that the kids will never want to see their Father again and that's winning in Kate's warped immature brain.
Hopefully that will not happen and Jon can explain and become Daddy fulltime.
I guess the blog girl should be fired, her post changes font size four times. How hard is it to post a post with the same font size?
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Seriously. Obviously she wrote the beginning of each paragraph then pasted the end and did not pick "Match Destination Formatting" DUH
TFW responds to Jon's interview
1. She sure didn't come up with that in her own. No explanation points.
2. Denial - she will never ever admit there are issues with kids / it ruins her plan.
3. Hippa rules prevents anyone discussing others wellbeing.so how will we know? Only Jon or TFW can say.
4. Milo sucks
5. She is only responding heeding off any future opportunities for them in tv.
6. There is no love lost between them. Jon has squashed TFW dreams.
7. Jon was on OPRAH ?? Damn
8.the children will read it someday( the interview ) and they will thank him!!
9. It's been a longgg time coming, thank you Jon .
10. Child exploitation is VERY bad.
My view my opinion .
Layla, great assessment.
I saw how she parents these kids. Her reaction to the incident with Clay was to blame Clay. It never crossed her mind that Cara could be at fault, which she completely was. Cara was the one misbehaving and being unreasonable while Clay just sat there playing quietly with his legos. But Kate's one of those parents who absolutely refuses to even acknowledge that maybe, just maybe their perfect child could be at fault. Just like her reaction to Jon's concerns is to blame Jon and to not even consider that he could be right
As far as everyone saying the kids are great and polite, usually polite people say nice things. It's not really an accurate assessment of any kid.
As far as the facade, that's absolutely true. It was unbelievable to me the dysfunction that goes on behind closed doors in public families, once I was welcomed into one of those homes. Of course it's all roses for the cameras. Of course we all laugh and hug and toss a ball in the back yard. When the photoshoot is over, the kids are dumped back on the nanny and it was back to all the regular problems, everything from drugs and alcohol to a sham of a marriage to much more. She's not kidding anyone.
**Also, he didn't say 'Don't put kids on reality tv". I wish he had just come out and SAID it instead of hedging around it.
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But was this really the forum to do that? Doesn't this network have reality television shows? Why would they allow him to make a statement like that, knowing that this network (or its subsidiaries) promotes reality television?
My Response…
NOVEMBER 4, 2013
I find it very heart breaking that my children’s father chooses a public forum to discuss his current opinions of the “development” our children. These opinions are, in reality, value judgements made about our children and they are based on his limited visits (albeit mutually agreed upon) with our children.
Because he has spoken negatively about our children, I feel I owe it to them to respond on their behalf. Each and every one of our children has met and continues to exceed all physical, mental and emotional developmental milestones throughout their lives. Their normal development is regularly monitored by myself, their pediatrician and school staff, as is usual within any family.
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I'm confused.... how is ANYTHING Jon said in his 10 minute interview last night different than what Kate wrote about the kids in "I Just Want You To Know?"
Jon made a few non-identifying statements about their development. In IJWYTK Kate dissected every nuance and fault about each child. In. Great. Detail. Rehashing their behavior as babies and toddlers. Kate needs to get off her righteous high horse, dig a copy of IJWYTK out of the basement and revisit how very publicly she threw those kids under the bus. So tired of her hypocrisy.
I just read TFMJG's response, and am I the only one that noticed that....
''Each and every one of our children has met and continues to exceed all physical, mental and emotional developmental milestones throughout their lives. Their normal development is regularly monitored by myself, their pediatrician and school staff, as is usual within any family.''
...is in a different size font? Why would that be? Did someone else write it for her and she c/p it into her response? Or am I once again being my ole lady cynical self?
Jon made a few non-identifying statements about their development. In IJWYTK Kate dissected every nuance and fault about each child. In. Great. Detail. Rehashing their behavior as babies and toddlers. Kate needs to get off her righteous high horse, dig a copy of IJWYTK out of the basement and revisit how very publicly she threw those kids under the bus. So tired of her hypocrisy.
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She called Mady a liar. Mady won't someday read that and be hurt by that? She's told us all about these children's emotions and private stories. I think she said Hannah was damaged the most by the divorce. She doesn't get it. She really doesn't.
Jon is saying reality T.V. in general was bad for his children because it has harmed them in the following manner. He didn't go into the gory details like Kate did in her book. He didn't name names. He was responding to Kate's CONSTANT insistence that they go back on T.V. and he constant parental alienation. If she doesn't want him responding to her propaganda with the truth, she could stop mentioning reality T.V. so much, and HIM. After all reality T.V. contracts are negotiated behind closed doors anyway. She doesn't need to go on Good Morning America and announce her desires to go on T.V., it's completely unnecessary. And she sure doesn't need to throw Jon back in the spotlight. Oh how that lawsuit backfired!
I think it ironic that Kate wants to come to the defense of her kids, yet every bit of their bad (normal kid) behavior was captured on film and shown to millions.
Fighting, crying, tantrums, hitting and being mean to other kids has all been shown, but now she's crying foul on Jon for speaking about his concerns.
This from the woman who gave detailed, intimate information about how each child reacted to the divorce, including naming names.
Is Kate the pot or the kettle?
Exactly, it's not okay to express legitimate concerns about reality T.V. but it is okay to write an entire book about how your children handled the divorce. Got it.
Gosh I'm not sure I can even think of another celebrity who wrote such painful things about their own children and so soon after a divorce. It's pretty much accepted in Hollywood that you DON'T talk about your kids in a divorce. Even Charlie Sheen abides by that rule.
...is in a different size font? Why would that be?
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Did she possibly copy and paste from another person's email to her telling her what to say and she's too stupid to put it in the same font she was using? Just a thought.....
This happens too when you change the font from the default and edit what you've written. It has happened to me when I have written emails or word documents that I have heavily edited. Sometimes it switches back to the default font and I have to reset it.
Does this even make sense? I'm tired. lol
"Does she think the hitting, spatting, fighting, bullying, and defeated body language is "normal"? Truly, for kids these ages?"
She doesn't think about her kids. Heck, I'm not even sure she really looks at them. She "monitores" them. Part of her big educationnalish masterminding, I guess. I dunno: I'm just a regular mediocre mom...
Glaring poor grammar usage aside, does this sound like a parent, a loving and concerned parent? She outs herself each and every time.
Jon says he is a single parent of 8, his ex says he gets visits. She should have kept her mouth shut. No rebuttal necessary, just as Jon has done every time she threw him under the bus. Guess the media was not reaching out for her reaction today, so she took to her awful blog.
She wants to be able to direct the kids to her blog one day so they can read that she stood up for them. What's she going to do when they read her own journals -- her words -- about her need to remove herself from them for fear of physically hurting them? What will they think when they read about her greed and how she wanted everything for nothing?
Will she have an answer for that?
Milo, just get a gosh darn room and get your crazy lust satisfied for once and for all.
Mental and emotional developmental milestones monitored by school staff? Is this the same school staff that decided that two of the 8 needed to be expelled for bullying? That is not "normal" mental or emotional development. Is she trying to convince us that it's common for 6-year-olds to bully others to that extent? Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Call the Pope! According to TFW each and every one of the children is the Second Coming.
I do think what Jon said is much more honest than what TFW would have us believe - 8 perfect little Stepford children. I guess what we've seen with our own eyes was acting. I got what Jon was saying. It's kind of like government spending right now. When we look at our budget we have to decide if it's a necessary expense or a nice to have item. Not ever nice to have item is a necessary expense.
This happens too when you change the font from the default and edit what you've written. It has happened to me when I have written emails or word documents that I have heavily edited. Sometimes it switches back to the default font and I have to reset it.
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Sounds like she made a LOT of edits. I can picture her seething all day long tapping this out on her iPhone intent on "setting the record straight." Her first version was probably full of errors in her rage, but she managed to parse it down to only a few.
She could start with a job, then she would have to work all day and wouldn't have to worry herself so much over what Jon said on OWN. She would only have to worry when she gets home from work.
I didn't read TFW's blog because I refuse to give her hits, but her insistence that all the kids are just perfect is not realistic. They are 8 individuals. Some or all of them will have problems, that's just how it is in the real world.
She didn't insist that her children were perfect. Had you read what she actually said, you would have seen the following: "It is also very normal in a family, especially a large family, to have a full range of personalities, abilities, talents, hobbies and struggles. Ours is no different."
Mental and emotional developmental milestones monitored by school staff? Is this the same school staff that decided that two of the 8 needed to be expelled for bullying? That is not "normal" mental or emotional development. Is she trying to convince us that it's common for 6-year-olds to bully others to that extent? Sorry, I'm not buying it.
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Sounds like they begged to differ when they suspended the children for a long period of time.
Also in the history of celebrity children no school staff has EVER looked the other way. Sure Kate that NEVER happens.
I see Kate, wasted not time, responding to what Jon said, and is in total denial, of the effect and damage the reality TV has done to her children and herself. And yes Kate, you just stir up a hornets nest, for your own self gain. The smart thing would have been to say nothing. I'm sure her lawyers are going to be all over her, for opening her mouth. Kate the record was made a long time ago, you can't erase, what was made, recorded or spoken over the last several years. You just gave the media the catch of the day, you fell for the fishing trip. If you said nothing, and let it go, there will be no media blitz, and this would have fadded in a week. Some media and sicko fans and non-fans will be looking up the TV show and putting it on Youtube, pointing out the childrens behavior, manners, etc. THANKS KATE, making a media blitz for yourself, about/using the kids. You just signed the teasing paper at their school. Good work, the cookbook flopped, so you have to find another way to stay in the media. Kate, you are a tool!
She didn't insist that her children were perfect.
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Hobbies, personalities, abilities, and talents have absolutely nothing to do with admitting the kids have their difficulties. She went on to say that everyone who meets her children find that they are practically perfect in every way and that their school progress is perfection with EVERYTHING perfectly on target. I will concede she threw in one tiny little "struggle" in there. Otherwise, the post is overwhelmingly about how perfect things are. It's absurd and places an undue burden on those children to live up to such high expectations.
Did Kate watch Jon's interview, or did someone tell her their skewed version of what he said? I'm curious on that one.
I noticed too she never did explain why their reality show is GOOD for the children. What she's basically saying is that as of this moment they are practically perfect in every way. I'm afraid in the world of sound logic, that neither proves or disproves whether reality t.v. was good or bad for them, especially the way kids on T.V. tend to not have problems until many years down the road. Perhaps she could write this post on their 30th birthday, but today it's absurdly premature.
I'm sure she watched every last nanosecond of it. She was glued to her T.V. I wonder if Michael Bolton made her cry too!
Did she possibly copy and paste from another person's email to her telling her what to say and she's too stupid to put it in the same font she was using? Just a thought...
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That's exactly what I think happens." When you paste, a little clipboard comes up. You can choose "Keep Source Formatting" or "Match Destination Formatting. If you don't pick, the source formatting remains..
Is Kate the pot or the kettle?
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It's more like she's the leftover stew in the pot that was put into the sink and forgotten about until the next morning. By then it's too late to do anything with it.
@MiloandJack: @PatriciaChow1 @LEIGHSHAHAN1 @Kateplusmy8 Twins already got wise 2him...he will soon alienate the tups! Shameful 2embarrass kids that way!
I'd be careful making statements like that Milo. I think some of the "cute" statements your idol attributes to them would embarrass them just as much. As someone pointed out on twitter, the different fonts make it look like all she did was cut and paste from somewhere else. Please, please Robert, if you're going to expose anyone let it be Milo. #ticktock
Perhaps she could write this post on their 30th birthday, but today it's absurdly premature.
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Just like penning a book about being a single mother before the ink on her divorce papers was dry.
Do you think she'd moved on a looooooong time before the marriage officially ended? I sure do.
After divorce, you don't have your head on straight for some time, and life doesn't level out to a new normal for quite some time, so I found the premise of her book, IJWYTK, to be preposterous.
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As far as everyone saying the kids are great and polite, usually polite people say nice things. It's not really an accurate assessment of any kid.
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From the episodes it looked like the kids acted well in public because they were both so rarely outside of their home and they feared their mother's wrath. I don't think the kids ever looked comfortable outside, they just didn't. I think part of that is picking up on TFW's stress and reacting to it.
TFW could never handle going anywhere with all 8 without cosmic sized melt downs. You don't think the kids picked up on that and knew to be quiet and be herded so that TFW doesn't freak out?
Kate ought to be made to sit and listen while someone reads "I Just Want You To Know" TO.HER.FACE. And she think Jon criticized her children. Wow, again, she is a piece of work.
Wasn't Milo going on and on today about how well they do in school and how practically perfect they are in every way?
Hmm, it would be interesting to compare her wording to Kate's (Milo's?) public statement.
As far as the twins, Milo is completely mischaracterizing that situation. The twins are hardly estranged from anyone. Jon explained his relationship is fine with the twins and it was really due to school schedule and friends, not Kate, that they don't come with the tups. Instead, they carve out special time together, as I recall he put it. He never implied they like to be with Kate more than him, and for that matter, neither has Kate. He also never implied they don't see each other or have a bad relationship. They have their time, it's just not on the normal schedule and doesn't involve the tups, which I'm sure is a nice break for the twins. And if the twins ever did stop seeing him, it would be due to Kate's parental alienation. Sometimes, parental alienation works.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 14m
@PatriciaChow1 @LEIGHSHAHAN1 @Kateplusmy8 Twins already got wise 2him...he will soon alienate the tups! Shameful 2embarrass kids that way!
Geez, Milo. She allowed them to be filmed in their own vomit on a fishing boat. She discussed the twins' bra shopping, and you have the balls to say that Jon embarrassed them? How in the h--l would Milo know that the twins got wise to him? How could she possibly know how they feel about their father? This "it" person is not only annoying, obnoxious, but nuts.
Time to go bang my head on the wall.
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Kate ought to be made to sit and listen while someone reads "I Just Want You To Know" TO.HER.FACE. And she think Jon criticized her children. Wow, again, she is a piece of work.
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Does anyone have a copy of the book? I'd like to see her criticisms of the kids printed here for reference.
The children are liars, naughty, try authority, they bicker, fight and tattle, among other things. All according to Kate. Here's a recap of some of the "developmental" information Kate disclosed in I Just want you to Know:
In Alexis’ letter, Kate calls her naughty and says the changes from the divorce have been confusing and upsetting to her.
In Hannah’s letter, she says the divorce has caused pain and doubt and shaken her.
In Aaden’s letter, she calls him an inconsolable baby and points out the many pairs of glasses he went through at a cost of $200 each.
In Collin’s letter, he tests and tries her authority every chance he gets.
In Leah’s letter, she says she bickers and fights and tattles, and was a difficult baby.
In Joel’s letter he is too easy-going and laid back for Kate’s “rush-rush” personality and she lacks the skills to father him.
In her letter to Mady, Kate insists to her that all the decisions she has made for her have been best for her even if Mady disagrees right now. She points out a time when Mady lied about a beach towel on the floor and said she wants to instill honesty in her.
I wonder which ROL writer is preparing tomorrow's article that gets the ball rolling for Kate to do a tv rebuttal tour?
I also want to mention that I'm cracking up at all the fan bloggers linking to their blogs on Kate's twitter so people can read THEIR opinions. (FYI, you couldn't pay me enough to visit one of those blogs. lol)
And, in the midst of the flurry of tweets, that gal that sent Kate her book to read pops up to pester her once again for a testimonial LOL
Tweet I just listed them for you above. I do still have the book kicking around somewhere. If I have time I'll get the exact quotes with page numbers, maybe somebody wearing crocks could do that this week, but for now this gives you an idea of the extent of her hypocrisy. Can you imagine if Jon yesterday said they were liars, naughty, tattlers, testing authority? There would be even more outrage than there is now.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2010/04/exclusive-sneak-peak-at-kates-book-i.html
Cammie Jon has nothing to do with this site. He did tell us he read here from time to time and ages ago gave us a few statements about the state of things that he gave permission to disclose, but that's the extent of it. The last time we contacted him, he asked us to just direct any questions to his lawyer.
Good point sunny. I never read IJWYTK but I hope that those on twitter pull out a copy and start quoting it back to TFW. Throw her words back at her and since she penned that tome her fans can't claim that anything has been altered.
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''....I guess the blog girl should be fired, her post changes font size four times. How hard is it to post a post with the same font size?''
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I see I'm NOT the only one that noticed that!
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''......It has happened to me when I have written emails or word documents that I have heavily edited. Sometimes it switches back to the default font and I have to reset it.
Does this even make sense? I'm tired. lol
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Yes, it made sense, and may be the reason the font changed so much...she was editing a LOT
The real problem with the 'shudder' idea of a rebuttal tour is that TFW is so freaking inarticulate that given the opportunity, you know with the streaming 'mums', that she would be her own worst enemy. Let's just see who wants to book her - radio stations in Canada? No offense, Canada. You know what I mean. And yes, let's get her own printed negative words about her children out there if anyone does give her any air time. That would be karma.
Admin, thanks for that link. I don't remember that thread. My bad.
I'm kind of multi-tasking, watching a Tom Selleck series on Netflix and coming here to read, too. I'm going to read the link tomorrow.
Isn't it time for Milo to go to bed? :-)
Well, Kate stuck her foot in her mouth again. Could it be that if these are the most perfect, most amazing, most well-behaved children on the face of the earth that it's because their father saw what growing up on television did to them, said enough is enough, and he is the one who is teaching them respect, manners, how to behave...all social skills that their mother could never teach them?
Then there's always a tweet like this thrown in for comic relief, although it wasn't intended as such:
MeLyn @BluMyst 37m
.@ENews You can read Kate's response lies on her web site. http://kateplusmy8.com Don't waste your putty on Jon G.
That bitch just needs to be shut up and her kids taken away from her. She has gone beyond what anyone should have to take. Jon and family and even her family know what a hag she is and I know they would all help Jon if he got 100% custody and left WOS empty and dry. She could bang purseboy all she wanted. Kids get stable loving home with Jon who loves them more than life can say and biotch can bang stevie all night and day
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TFW just justified everything I ever thought/ wrote/spoke and felt regarding her. She is unfit. The defining moment for me was gumgate. What nurturing mother
Would throw away their child's favorite stuffed animal?? I will never forgive her for treating a child that way at that moment.
Milo... I believe is someone that TFW has met and are friends. Not because of how she speaks of kate but how she doesn't speak to her own family. Milo needs to go tee off or something.distorted view makes for a distorted soul.
And, in the midst of the flurry of tweets, that gal that sent Kate her book to read pops up to pester her once again for a testimonial LOL
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The pesky author? She has her phone set to alert her when Kate tweets. I thought she gave up. Darn, she sure wants that testimonial. I thought she moved on to more influential celebrities, like the Long Island Medium!
Just for that stupid, stupid response to Jon's shining moment, kate DESERVES A FULL THROTTLE DEPOSITION in the lawsuit. She managed to piece and patch together from her end and another source a response, she copied and pasted with the fonts in different sizes, she DESERVES IT!
What a hypocrite! She dissected each child's soul in IJWYTK. Jon only said that the kids on tv was not good. They are having problems. kate takes that as a direct hit for not being on tv again. She knows she has to have the kids, to be filmed for tv, because they are the draw, not her. Calling her precious daughter a liar, she needs to be slapped hard just for that.
Wasn't Milo going on and on today about how well they do in school and how practically perfect they are in every way?
Isn't that Mary Poppins? Practically perfect in every way?
She points out a time when Mady lied about a beach towel on the floor and said she wants to instill honesty in her.
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Kate Gosselin instilling honesty? pffft. When pigs fly. Maybe.
The smart thing would have been to say nothing. I'm sure her lawyers are going to be all over her, for opening her mouth.
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It wouldn't surprise me if they sanctioned it, or even helped her to write it...anything to throw Jon under the bus and make him look like a real jerk.
I was sort of happy Jon got that OWN interview, but now wish he had not done it. His words are being twisted and giving Kate another platform. She is a real piece of work. She's standing up for her kids NOW? She sat by while her kid was crying in pain from having impacted poop, fished while her kids lay in their own vomit, put a child on a cold floor and turned out the light so he couldn't mess up his bedding again, and screamed in their faces about any and every little thing, like eating berries after making a cake. She took a drink in front of her daughter who was begging for a drink and then told the kid to shut up when she complained. She lumbered in front of them like an ox in stilettos on nearly every episode, with little regard for their safety, probably assuming the crew would handle things. She wrote a book about every single child's negative (to her) tendencies, basically them all PITAs. But now she's taking up for them because of their horrible father, and she's so worried about them seeing this interview - never mind the dozens she's given that were much worse and obvious in their disdain for their father. Anyone who watched the show even one time saw her snatch the fun out of every activity, to include removing the kids from events where they were having a good time (camping) if she couldn't turn all the attention toward herself with her shrieking, histrionics, or just plain temper tantrums. We saw them screaming, slapping, punching, kicking, biting, shoving and spitting as recently as the Katie show (for some, not all of those behaviors). Two were expelled from school in kindergarten! And yet they are all, each, 100% exceeding every single physical, mental and other goals as determined by her and their doctor? Sure. I hope some of these blatant hypocrisies get pointed out by the authors of the articles you know are coming, concerning her rebuttal.
I wish I never heard of these people.
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When our kids grow up, they may see their father’s latest interview and wonder why he made untrue and hurtful statements about them. I know that I risk stirring up an unwanted public and private “frenzy” by commenting on this, but, if our children ever stumble upon that interview, I want to be able to point them to this statement so that they know that I publicly set the record 100% straight on this one, for their sake.
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Oh please. Are we to believe for one nanosecond that she didn't fly into a rage in front of "our kids" when she saw this on tv last night? Or that she hasn't gone full tilt on her continuing parental alienation sessions with them at breakfast and again when she picked them up and all during supper and chores and bedtime?
"I know that I risk stirring up an unwanted public and private “frenzy” by commenting on this, but, if our children ever stumble upon that interview, I want to be able to point them to this statement so that they know that I publicly set the record 100% straight on this one, for their sake."
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Kate: The jig is up. We, the public, know that you love publicity of any kind. We, the public, have long stopped listening to your painfully inarticulate "set the record straight" interviews. We, the public, watched you repeatedly humiliate your children (and Jon) for the viewing benefit of millions. I expect that your children will "find" the interview sooner rather than later when you show it to them. So, Kate, it's time to pull the plug on your superior attitude, eat some humble pie, stop talking and start listening to what everyone is telling you.....for the sake of your children.
Didn't Kate make fun of Collin's big head and Mady's "ugly" teeth? I would assume they've seen those episodes when Kate makes them sit down together to reminisce about the glory days. How would she explain embarrassing them in those shows?
And that's the thing, she's been setting the record straight for two long years and really longer. Now it's Jon's turn. See how it feels? Not fun, is it TFW? Well, this is what it's like to be on the receiving end to your wrath all this time. Maybe next time you'll try to remember what that felt like. If you were actually on speaking terms with Jon you might work out together what is and isn't going to be said in the media. You've chosen to treat him like the enemy and as such he's doing what he wants to regardless of what you think. You reap what you sow.
I totally agree with you, Admin., been gone for a short while, only to come back and read things that make me feel like I fell down the rabbit hole!
Trust that Jon is listening to Mr. Tuma every step of the way. TFW needs to be totally shut down, for the sake of those children. I pray that is will happen just the way it is supposed to happen. Have faith people!
Yes Luke, and at least there is something more to talking about kids on reality T.V. This is an issue of public concern, frequently in the media, frequently up for debate, and is an ongoing problem which is nowhere near resolved. The Gosselin kids' experiences are incredibly relevant and instructive to the public debate and the future of kids on T.V.
In contrast, there is NO point to talking to the media about how your child reacts to a divorce. It's well settled divorce is painful for children and there is not a single reason it should ever be public. There was no higher calling to Kate's stupid I just want to Exploit my Children's Developmental Problems book other than her bank account.
Who is this Brandon person on twitter and why his/her obsession with BV? I can't keep up with these people!
You know this just occurred to me. You know how Jon explained the main reason he pulled the children off T.V. was because he did not want to make them go through a divorce on T.V.?
I wonder if Kate's book I Just Want was a sort of F-U to that. Sort of like you may be able to take away the ability for me to put my kids through a divorce on T.V. but you cannot take away my ability to put them through a divorce in a BOOK so F-U!
Wow, that just struck me.
However, anyone who has personally met our children all have the same thing to say: they are the most normal, pleasant, polite, loving and well adjusted children they have ever met. Most even go on to say that they are a “a delight” to be around.
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Not ntending to insult the Gosselin children, but it's probable that Kate insists that it be written into the contract that that is what is to be said of them in any agreement she makes before they personally meet and report on the kids, or the interview is off.
What in the heck is TFW's problem with Jon? Does she not remember her descriptions of them in "I Just Want You to Know"? If anything, I find her specific descriptions to be much more hurtful to each specific child than any generalizations from Jon. She needs to refresh her memory. UGHGHGHGH!
The doors have been blown open.
The curtains are blowing in the wind. This response from kg is the funniest thing I have ever read. This response coming from a mom who sells their children faces / photos/ private moments through her website and profits by doing so. I laugh at her response. It comes of a place of embarrassment, the cat is out of the bag. Alllll those interviews of kg telling who ever would listen the kids are fine / well adjusted and miss filming got outed. I love it. She's not all that. She has no control in a controlled environment . She must spend every other weekend remolding those 6 that spent time at dads. She does not have total control of those kids, they have a father who actually sees them as people not circus animals. Shame shame shame.
When I see (and choose to respond or not) the comments that disagree with me, I simply see someone that has a different opinion. It would be a very weird world if everyone agreed with me...especially since I have such strong opinions that I know are sometimes 'off the wall'.
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Remona usually that's how I think too. I think you're great even though we disagree about Robert. I may get pretty passionate and worked up over something I disagree with, but unless you're attacking me, which does happen sometimes but I don't publish them, I rarely see it as anything more than a fiery debate. Also the nature of my business is argument so it's definitely not personal for me. However I have come to realize here that's not how everyone takes it. People storm off over things that would never bother me at all. I still can't believe TFW had the nerve to say what she said after she blabbed about these kids' private emotions in that book. In this an alternative universe??
It's also possible because they are celebrity children and a celebrity mother, people just suck up and say nice things about them even if it's exaggerated. Happens all the time both in real life and as we have seen on twitter. The fans will say anything to praise her and these kids no matter how untrue. This is true of any celebrity mom.
I always found this ridiculous sucking up bad for celebrity children. If they are not being nice children, they do not deserve such praise just because someone is trying to suck up to their mom. Celeb children also get their fair share of gifts and cards from strangers, also not good for them.
I hope they are just lovely kids to anyone who comes in contact with them, but just because she hears good things doesn't mean it's true.
Melissa NV: That could be true, but I'm thinking about the lawsuit. If Kate did not rebuttal, what Jon said, it would make him look like the dad who is not there, cause he does not live in the house, and that the book (not the cookbook) is not true, and Jon is bad mouthing the kids. It would make her look like a saint, as in she never says anything like that about her kids. Even though, we have seem proof on TV, twitter, internet, that she has talked about her kids in not a good way..
Since, she did say something, it does put her into a bad light, cause as I posted earlier, fans, non-fans and haters, she just gave fuel to them to show and talk about JK8, K8 & twitter, interviews etc, that what Jon said is true, what the guy wrote in his book is also true, and the lawsuit has no merit. Her lawyers are there to make Kate look like she has clean hands, so I do not think her lawyers would want her to say anything. Food for thought: since Kate came back from book tour and filed her lawsuit, she has for the most part been very quiet, hardly any tweets. Normal people & celebs would be talking & tweeting about the tour, Kate has tweeted very little. Even, posted no pics she promised: the annual fall pics, the dog party, the kids Halloween, pumpkin carving and a few other things, how come, did the lawyers told her to be quiet. This is not like Kate. I do believe that she had help with this post on her web-site, but not from a lawyer, more like Jamie or Deanna.
I guess the blog girl should be fired, her post changes font size four times. How hard is it to post a post with the same font size?
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Seriously. Obviously she wrote the beginning of each paragraph then pasted the end and did not pick "Match Destination Formatting" DUH
Or, someone was writing parts of it for her and that's what she was pasting into the blog from somewhere else, like an e-mail or text.
I would guess her attorneys didn't approve this one. I can't explain it but it really doesn't sound like attorney speak. It's sort of flowery and convoluted, and most attorneys don't write like that. It's also too specific. Attorney statements don't usually pin things down like that. I suppose she could have written it all herself and then gave it to them and they said sure whatever. But I don't know it just doesn't have an attorney-sanctioned feel to it. Just a hunch.
Oh please. Are we to believe for one nanosecond that she didn't fly into a rage in front of "our kids" when she saw this on tv last night?
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Is that what that was? There was a rumbling, and dishes in the China closet were shaking shortly after 11 p.m. I thought we were having a minor earthquake, but I never gave it a thought that it could have been Kate going on a rant, throwing things and stomping around. If it happens again, at least I'll know what to blame!
It does however, definitely feel Milo-approved.
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''I was sort of happy Jon got that OWN interview, but now wish he had not done it. His words are being twisted and giving Kate another platform. She is a real piece of work.''
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Well...I'm very happy that Jon got the interview on OWN. We all saw what he said. The WOS that is TFW has GRABBED another platform, Jon didn't give it to her. Let's just see how many actual television interviews she gets from her version of standing up for Jon's children. I would be shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, if she gets a single tv interview. Her attorney's ears must be deadened from her phone calls, but SHE filed the lawsuit, and now she really should sit down and shut her stuck on stupid mouth!!
It just seems to me that since she's always treated the kids as if they were nothing more than a commidity that she'd make sure they were spoken of in the best light, even if they set the interviewers hair on fire.
That said, I'm with you Admin. I'm also hoping they are lovely, polite children, thanks be to their father.
commidity?
Commodity. Sheesh. I'm going to bed.
I don't think she wrote 100% of that on her own. She also said 'OUR children'. She has always said 'MY kids'. So funny she is trying to sound like they are co-parents.
Another thing: she never apologized for the ungrateful & nasty things she said or disclosed about the children! This went in for years & now she's standing up for them? Pluzzee! Mady's going to hear her making fun of her teeth. Collin about his head, Macy's onxibious earrings or nail color (it was something orange). What she is trying to be on twitter IS not what was seen in TV. She must think she can have a totally different personality on twitter, aka super mom.
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TFW'S latest missive = i know you are, but what am i.
The best thing she could do for Jon's kids is to be publicly silent and deal privately with any fallout.
She's just a hopin' N prayin' that someone/anyone will have her on teevee as a result of her latest missive. Any opportunity to be away from the kids and get some attention for herself.
Those poor kids just don't stand a chance, do they. My heart breaks for them. They surely do not deserve all this publicity. They've paid their dues.
Thar she blows!!!
Oh Kate, give us all a break. Jon is not telling us anything we didnt already know and see for ourselves. We see how the kids behave with Jamie's kids, and I recall how they also related their one little cousin.
Jon did not say they were bad kids, he just said that tv has not encouraged the best manners and their morals have been compromised because of their needs and wants.
Tit for Tat Kate thats my new word for her TFTK... hmmm, kind of like FUFK....
This isnt even a train wreck anymore, its just laughable. I feel so sorry for those kids.
There is absolutely no difference in Jon using the kids to validate himself, and TFW doing the same--at least to me. I don't have different standards depending on who I like most, or how much worse one parent's behavior is than another. There is absolutely no justification or rationalization that justifies the types of disclosure that he made.
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I agree with you Ex Nurse. God help those kids. Their parents aren't.
Oh good God TFW--I just threw up in my mouth. She is so very very sick.
No, Kate, you publicly set the record 100% in hopes that you can continue to exploit your kids. You are transparent, myopic, abusive, grammatically challenged, self-serving and pure evil. Your kids will look back on their dad's interview and know he fought to save them. By that time, you will have been long deserted by them.
TFW should remember to take out a kleenex and dab her eyes for better effect on her major U.S. Rebuttal Tour.
Start packing, Stevie!
Exactly, it's not okay to express legitimate concerns about reality T.V. but it is okay to write an entire book about how your children handled the divorce. Got it.
Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin!
Jon's turn now. And so it goes.
There will be no rebuttal tour...because nobody gives a crap about her anymore. Except for a few fans and non fans the majority of the public will not visit her blog and read her stupid bullshit. No one cares kate. she just can't resist can she? I knew this was going make her completely bonkers...how dare she try to use this to make herself look like the better parent. Not gonna work this time Kate. The jig is up, we al know what you're about . She is beyond disgusting...how in the world does this woman sleep at night is beyond me. So she is essentially calling Jon a liar. YOURE the liar ...now GO get a JOB...you have way to much time on your hands if all you have to do all day is write some stupid rebuttal that most people don't care about...you're an opportunist jackass. How dare you...
Can Jon file a motion in family court that the children be evaluated by an independent child psychologist? If he has legitimate concerns, shouldn't he act upon them rather than Kate farting rainbows about the kids?
She wants the tabloids to pick up her blog response. BUT it can backfire. OWN does not have much of an audience and my guess is that Jon's interview is news to the general public. By responding, people will be curious as to what he said. If he came across as genuine, people will make up their own minds because she does not relate well with the viewing public. I bet she was seething that she did not snag an interview with Oprah.
I think Uncle Steve helped her write that response. Definitely she did not speak to an attorney. She hates Jon so much it has got to be affecting her relationships with the kids because when she looks at them who does she see: Jon. I feel particularly bad for the boys.
Once again, she is giving Robert and Jon's excellent lawyers more material to work with. And I am no lawyer but I have to wonder if those lawyers have dug up quite a bit including Milo's identity in their preparation for a possible upcoming hearing. Robert seems quite positive lately with all of his posts.
That book with 'letters' to the children is much worse then Jon's interview. SHE disclosed her fellings about each child, their reaction to the divorce, their shortcomings. Etc, it was as if no matter what she will always remember Mady lying about the towel, for example. It's a freaking towel! Does she hold grundges against them? And it was written before the divorce was finializied if I recall or not long after that. She couldn't think of a better topic to write than that? Move on, TFW.
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My Response…
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I find it very heart breaking that my children’s father chooses a public forum to discuss his current opinions of the “development” our children.
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Um ... Kate ... I believe that Twitter and your 'bog' are also public forums. Looks to me like you are doing the same thing. Just saying.
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And also, I wonder how many times Jon has tried to discuss this with her ... you know, via text and/or email since she won't sit down and talk to him. I'm sure her response is much the same as with everyone else ... ignore, deflect or deny.
I have to think that Jon also speaks with the kids' pediatrician and their teachers. I highly doubt those folks are telling Kate everything is wonderful and telling Jon that there are problems.
Wow, just logged on to find this new topic! Yup, classic narcissist, her version is THE version. You see what anyone who has contact with this lunatic has to deal with? She will twist and turn your words. She will DENY anything she has said in the past INCLUDING her own written words. You're dealing with a crazy person. DrPhil had the same kind of mother on just last week. Adult kids want NOTHING to do with her. She was in a land of conspiracies and delusions. I just pray the G8 choose to live with their dad when they legally can make the choice
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We just saw those kids as recently a few months ago on Katie Couric. They sure weren't very polite.
My impression is that TFW wants them to be spoiled, entitled kids. It ties into her "I want to give them life on a golden platter" ideal.
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You're right, and then she denies them food, gymnastics, music lessons, camping...this is the mind of a narcissist.
She really needs a program that is 26 weeks, maybe even 52 weeks, and it probably needs to be coupled with intensive therapy at least two times a week, a full evaluation by a psychologist and report and diagnosis, and some intensive in home services, to even begin to have hope of addressing her issues. None of that is likely ever going to happen.
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She would sit through it because it was court ordered, but she would never ever EVAH learn anything. You CANNOT change a raging narcissist. Her rebuttal is yet another example of this.
Vanessa said... 173
Wow, just logged on to find this new topic! Yup, classic narcissist, her version is THE version. You see what anyone who has contact with this lunatic has to deal with?
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How many times have we seen tv show hosts interview her and ask over and over again about how the children are? Looking genuinely concerned, I might add. It seems highly unlikely, if not impossible, for these children to have come out of this fish bowl unscathed. Yet, Kate would look every one of them in the eye and say "they're doing great!".
It's understandable that the kids act out from time to time and Jon did not mention names, as Kate did.
I think Jon's making the case, if not so eloquently, that filming children's intimate lives comes at a price. To me and I think most people watching this unfold, this is a foregone conclusion.
I think what Kate's done and continues to do is far worse. She's maintained for years now that Jon is not all that involved with his kids and has implied that's his choice, and has gone further to marginalize his role by saying that she can't father the children (why should she? Jon's alive and still their father) while in the next breath, questioning (indignantly) how Jon could have any say in the children's upbringing because they spend less time in his custody.
How dare Kate be challenged.
If they went through the testing process for Kindergarten and one or more wasn't ready for Kindergarten, the school advises the best placement for them. Kate could have screamed her head off, saying she wanted all of them in Kindergarten, but if the kids weren't ready, that's not where they would have gone. There was no harm done in red-shirting them. Much better for them to be kept together than for some to be ahead of others in another grade. In that case, those left behind would have wondered why they weren't "good enough" to be with their siblings. She didn't hold them back. Jon didn't hold them back.
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I agree with this, but instead of ramping up the filming, traveling and only spending time with their siblings they could have spent that extra year preparing them for school. Play therapy, speech therapy, more story time etc. They (and I include Jon in this) did nothing to help them achieve the proper milestones. Make a damn effort at least!
Admin @ 59 Love this post
You've chosen to treat him like the enemy and as such he's doing what he wants to regardless of what you think. You reap what you sow.
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I didn't see the whole interview, but will dvr another showing. What I did hear from the clip was Jon turning the other cheek-- repeatedly.
What I heard was that Jon wished they could communicate and that he wished Kate well in everything she does.
Whoa!
This is a woman who is suing him YEARS after their divorce and his alleged transgressions, one of which is giving Robert Kate's journal.
In this journal, which Kate has never denied are her own words, Kate documents severe physical punishment involving Jon's children, yet she has the temerity to question Jon's parenting.
Jon wishes the same women well in all she does, the same one who rejoiced in having an emergency supply of Spankers in her vehicle, so she could strike his small children with it to "happy them up".
Wow.
I have to say this approach of ‘responding’ to Jon’s interview is something new. I don’t recall her ever writing a blog about something he said. I haven’t visited her website since early last year. Usually she would run to the first TV station to ‘set the record straight’. That was practically the next day! So why write about it? Is she hoping the media will pick it up and book her for some TV time?
Also, I guess the excess rules at her house did not work. The bombing of rules on the chore jar & the 1,000 chore list…I think they learned to function by having a rule given to them. What Jon talked about---these are social issues. They are having problems differentiating their home life to real life. Her rules, so they do not know the rules of the society or how other families may function due to isolation. They may not have learned how to function on their own socially. I kept thinking they might not have been taught to have the tools to separate their home life from other aspects of their lives, i.e. their school, church, etc. I cringe to think they think they can’t get along with others without a piece of paper listing rules telling them how to behave, how to think, etc. That is what I think it must be how they operate in society. The combination of the excessive rules, her personality and being on a reality tv show finally has shown it was not GOOD for the children, after all. They did not benefit from that combination.
She was so hoping to get the children back on TV. I guess, not anymore, huh?
Suzy
@ Ally 31-Thank you!
Meagler said... 159
Thar she blows!!!
Oh Kate, give us all a break. Jon is not telling us anything we didnt already know and see for ourselves. We see how the kids behave with Jamie's kids, and I recall how they also related their one little cousin.
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Kate's reaction this time is no different than her reaction to Jodie and Kevin when they spoke about filming with Rep. Murt. How dare they reveal the Christmas episode was not "real". How dare they?
If you question Kate's parenting, she will turn on you in an instant.
There is no pulling the curtain back as far as she's concerned and she controls the narrative, period.
Just wait for Kate's fanatics to turn on any and all of the children should they decide to speak out in a negative fashion.
Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin!
Jon's turn now. And so it goes.
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Actually it hasn't been "tit for tat", this is the FIRST time he's spoken, after how many countless times SHE has? Going on 4 yrs? The final straw is a bogus lawsuit? I'd say he's been pretty consistent in trying to keep private.
Suzee said... 149
I guess the blog girl should be fired, her post changes font size four times. How hard is it to post a post with the same font size?
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Seriously. Obviously she wrote the beginning of each paragraph then pasted the end and did not pick "Match Destination Formatting" DUH
Or, someone was writing parts of it for her and that's what she was pasting into the blog from somewhere else, like an e-mail or text
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That's what I meant; she was pasting it from something someone else wrote.
Whst does TFW mean "his current opinions"?? She makes it sound like he has a different opinion every other day.
Another not so subtle way to invalidate what he is saying, to give no credence to him.
Other examples of her invalidation/implications....he has had so many jobs I don't even try to keep track of where or if he is working, his girlfriend of the week, he lives his own life (it's so weird that we don't even want to know)....and on and on.
Wow. She truly is vile. Sick.. Thanks to her and Jon, I know more about these kids then I need to know.. She needs to get off twitter. As a matter of fact, if I had 8 kids, god knows I wouldn't have one second to be online. Jon didn't do anything wrong in this interview. Thanks to these parents, I saw Hannah poop in her under wares. Collin? With impacted bm. Maddy act like a normal brat, Leah, well poor girl. I could go on and on. KATE. YOU did this to your kids. Both you and Jon. The big difference is, Jon realized he screwed up. You could learn from him. Sadly in a few short precious years your twins will be grown. The younger kids will be teens.
They will act out in a bad way. I can see it already. Both parents need to knock it off tho. But I can see how kate poked Jon with the stick one too many times. Does it make it right? I dunno. Jon has the right to defend himself.
As for "milo" tat person seems more twisted then kate!! How strange.
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OOPS
TFW is the person who said her two kids weren't expelled but were behind in an "academically challenging" school, where it was "mutually agreed upon" that they be at home, and not more than a month into the school year they were "excelling" at home with their tutor.
She lives in denial land, and denying to your kids the reality of their problems isn't better than telling the whole world of their problems. The difference is, Jon's motivation is to warn others against reality TV and to stop any momentum TFW has to get them back on TV. TFW is doing it to get attention for being the perfect parent to perfect children. Going by motivation alone, who would you believe?
"Sure, they’ve got the occasional — and very normal — bursts of attitude that goes along with being teenagers, but fortunately for me, I’m a young enough mom (cough, cough) that I myself remember turning 13 and all the difficult hormone induced years of confusion that followed.
When these difficult moments arise, I am striving to love them and be patient with them as they grow and work through this timeframe. “They can’t help it” comes to mind often and when I need extra reminders, I glance at the gummy toothless (and drooly) smiles in the baby photos I have nearby to remind me of the who is inside of that somewhat “unloveable” person displayed in front of me."
Hormones, attitude and unlovable.
Wow, happy birthday kids, now let me tell you what a challenge you are, in my normal, passive-agressive way. But, I'll strive to love you.
Ouch.
Where's Jon's rebuttal? Oh, that's right, he just kept his lips zipped while Kate penned this utter crap, PUBLICLY, on her blog.
I want to be able to point them to this statement so that they know that I publicly set the record 100% straight on this one, for their sake.
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"on this one"- hmmm unlike the other "setting the record straight" campaigns?
FRP said... 134
I was sort of happy Jon got that OWN interview, but now wish he had not done it. His words are being twisted and giving Kate another platform.
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I kind of agree. I don't think Jon should be concerned about what the public thinks of him. If he's doing interviews to speak out against reality tv and against putting his children back on TV, fine, let's hope he picks up the crusade with more vigor. But if he's trying to win the favor of the public, he's entering a rabbit hole, and all he's accomplishing is pissing off his ex, who he still has to try to co-parent with the next day.
I honestly don't care about his reputation, or about being "pushed too far" in the media by TFW. He shouldn't be concerned with any of that. His only concern should be his kids, and warning the dangers of reality tv.
I went back and watched W'S and there was definitely an attitude with many of the kids. Some of the others just look defeated.
I'd like to remind TFMJG about Globegate. Didnt she blog about how one of her kids was a lying lyer who lies but she got to the bottom of it and they all decided who the culprit was...which turned out to be WRONG because the true equator pealer came in and confessed! How does she think the boor boy will feel when he stumbles upon that blog someday and reads how his mom and all of his brothers and sisters feel about him. Is it Lord of the Flies in that house in order to survive?
What she wrote in INWYTK will come back to haunt her in this instance. She can condem Jon and take what he said out of context but her words are there for all to read. What's that you say Milo? Oh, she wrote that out of love and they're private letters to her kids while Jon said it on TV for all the world to hear. Gotcha!
As was said up thread, tweeters need to start quoting things from IJWYTK on her timeline. Quoting from the journal won't have as much impact because the fans still claim that it was altered but quoting from her book is another story all together. Hasn't she said that M&C have read all her books? If they didnt find anything wrong with IJWYTK I don't think they'll find anything wrong with what Jon said.
Maybe her next book should be a compilation of all her blogs.
Vanessa, I just want to say how much I appreciate your information on narcissism. You gave me some good advice a few years ago when I was dealing with my crazy narcissistic aunt. She held incredible power over her mother and her sister (my mom), who were both quiet, polite, and disabled.
My grandmother died last year, leaving everything in her home to my mom, who had been her long-term caretaker and had no home of her home. My aunt was--and is--livid. She crosses her fingers a lot and says she and my grandmother were "like that". (They weren't.) She implies that my mom is below and beneath her. It's a constant battle.
I like when you say they'll deny their own words. She is also a huge liar (like TFW). I've been taking the brunt for my mom, especially now that she lives with me. My aunt is brutal and arbitrary and then will end a screaming fest with "love ya" like it's all perfectly normal. She couldn't reach my mom on Christmas morning because I couldn't get to the phone (while opening presents) in time. She left a bizarre message demanding to know where her sister was--as if we were holding her hostage.
And I've never seen such greed. It's mind-boggling. Nothing is ever enough. (She did receive half of my grandmother's money, yet she still nickels and dimes my mother to death.) Where do these nuts come from? My grandmother and grandfather were salt-of-the-earth people and my mom is a very nice and generous person.
I feel for the Gosselin kids every time I think of them being holed up with someone like my aunt. And if Jon Gosselin is finding his own now--more power to him! I have determined that I will not be bullied, although she keeps. on. trying. But taking a stand against these narcissists is exhausting!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 147
It's also possible because they are celebrity children and a celebrity mother, people just suck up and say nice things about them even if it's exaggerated.
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Name one guest on J&K+8 that didn't say nice things about TFW even though she was a monster witch to them the whole time? Every single one of them said veiled nice things, even though you could TELL that there was more to the story that they WANTED to say, but couldn't. You think it's different for the kids? What guest in her house (and on TV no less) is going to say something mean?
Also, this woman has no one in her life that will be honest with her. She surrounds herself with sycophants. She gets rid of anyone who is even remotely honest with her. And we're supposed to believe that the children are well adjusted because some stranger or suck up of TFW says their nice? Sorry, TFW, that's not a strong argument, especially when we have factual irrefutable evidence that says otherwise.
How do you explain the biting, hitting, screaming, and meltdowns? How do you explain your eye rolls as a reaction to their fighting? For all the years and all the episodes of that show, we never once saw TFW get down on the kids level and show them how to right a wrong done to one another, or show them how to work out problems with one another. Instead we saw her banish them to the basement, and hit them, grab them, pull them, and yell at them one inch away from their faces. They DO have problems, and guess where they learned them? By example...from TFW!
My favorite line to give my aunt is, "The last thing I can do for my grandmother is to carry out her will in the spirit in which it was intended." It makes her furious! heheheh. I tell my mom, "She knows she can control you, but she doesn't feel she can control me. And it makes her mad." We actually laughed a bit over that.
I can only imagine how TFW is seething. I like the image someone gave a few weeks ago of Kate sitting in the corner smashing wine bottles and glasses. Seriously. She's probably got those crazy, dead, monster eyes right now while her brow is botox-frozen. Scary. Poor kids.
It ties into her "I want to give them life on a golden platter" ideal.
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I agree to! But as for camping, gymnastics, etc, she wants to keep them spoiled and entitled on SOME ELSE's dime! It was ok when TLC was paying for the kids to go to gymnastics, but don't ask TFW to dig in her own pockets! If she really felt that the kids deserve life on a gold platter, than she would do her part and not beg for freebies and a show. In her warped mind, Katie deserves life on a Gold platter. Her actions prove that it's all about her. In my opinion, I think she is trying to live a priveleged in order to get back at her parents. After all little Katie was the "forgotten middle child". She herself said that the first time she flew on a plane was on her honeymoon. IMO, her parents were probably more giving people. They lived frugally and didnt go on lavish trips. Her father was a pastor and her family owned the campground. In Robert's book, it was mentioned that her father had lots of money. I believe in Kate's warped narcissist mind, SHE deserves a life of luxury and this way of life is her redemption from the mediocre life she was forced to live growing up.Just my opinion, of course.
Mannnnnn...she is getting hammered on her own twitter feed. How humiliating. Isn't that supposed to be her lifeline. How does it feel Mommy Dearest? Kate, you my dear, really put your foot in it this time. You can't help but open that big mouth of yours. Did you ever hear of self control....OH WAIT...She should close that twitter..its doing more harm than good. Why is she so clueless? Please answer...
TLC stinks said... 168
Can Jon file a motion in family court that the children be evaluated by an independent child psychologist? If he has legitimate concerns, shouldn't he act upon them rather than Kate farting rainbows about the kids?
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I'm no expert, but family law courts generally don't want to deal with he-said-she-said stuff. Mental abuse is hard to prove, and if the kids have clothes, shelter, food, and time with both parents, there's little left to figure out in courts that won't make a Judge feel like they're wasting his/her time. Now, if one of the kids comes to family court to say that their mom's mentally abusive and they want to live with their dad, well that's a different story.
Admin's description of not-getting-resolution-from-suing is similar to family law courts a lot of times. You don't get much satisfaction from taking your ex to them. They're not there to settle every dispute, just the absolute major ones that are easily provable to one side. And what's major to you is not always major to a judge, especially when he/she knows that you don't get along. You're best bet is making an effort to get along with your ex outside the courts...but well, y'know.
Kate should read this. Not that it would get through that squishy mass inside her skull.
http://www.viralnova.com/marriage-is-not-for-you/
Suzy said... 180
Also, I guess the excess rules at her house did not work. The bombing of rules on the chore jar & the 1,000 chore list…I think they learned to function by having a rule given to them. What Jon talked about---these are social issues. They are having problems differentiating their home life to real life. Her rules, so they do not know the rules of the society or how other families may function due to isolation. They may not have learned how to function on their own socially. I kept thinking they might not have been taught to have the tools to separate their home life from other aspects of their lives, i.e. their school, church, etc. I cringe to think they think they can’t get along with others without a piece of paper listing rules telling them how to behave, how to think, etc. That is what I think it must be how they operate in society. The combination of the excessive rules, her personality and being on a reality tv show finally has shown it was not GOOD for the children, after all. They did not benefit from that combination.
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This reminds me of homeschooling. Homeschooling is seen with a stigma because there's a risk of non-socialization with like ages. I think we've all met at least one homeschooled person who is just a little bit...off...socially. Well that's like the Gosselins. Did they ever really interact with kids their own ages outside of their family? Did they have play dates? Did they go to the park and play on the jungle gym with other kids? No, they didn't, they were being filmed, they shut down museums, amusement parks, hay rides, corn mazes, etc.. for them. They were always isolated to just their family unit.
And their family unit wasn't any great shakes either. They were largely ignored, and if not ignored berated. So now they were isolated for at least 4-5 years in an almost wild environment. They had no hope of being taught proper socialization.
I hope that school has helped them some. I do hope they get to be with friends and they get to learn how to act a little bit. But I think we've heard that they're in the same classes together so that might not be good. If I were their parents, I'd try to split them up as best as I could so that they'd have to learn to make new friends outside of their family.
What I think they really need is to get away from TFW as quick as they can and be given play dates and gentle coaching and consistent punishment/rewards for bad/good behaviors (with no anger involved). But unfortunately I don't think that will happen any time soon. :(
You know if she were a normal person and a normal concerned mother, and if she truly did not see the behavior Jon is seeing, shouldn't her first reaction be deep concern? Wait a minute, if Jon is seeing something I'm not seeing, what is going on here? Are they behaving differently at his place, or am I missing something here, or am I misinterpreting something? Instead of furiously typing up a rebuttal to the public, shouldn't you immediately pick up the phone and say hi Jon I heard what you said about the children and I'm very concerned. We definitely need to talk about this and make sure we're all on the same page about them and they're getting all the help they may need.
But noooo. She doesn't care one damn bit these kids are having problems. She just can't stand that Jon changed the agenda and burst her perfect facade she's been putting out there. So her gut reaction is pay no attention to that man behind the curtain lies all lies, instead of what a truly loving mother's reaction should have been: deep concern.
Another possibility is that they do behave better around Kate because she keeps them so busy with choring and hard labor they don't have time to act out and she's such a dictator they're afraid to rock the boat too much. We saw how beaten down and suppressed the boys looked at her house, walking around in a daze. When they go over to Jon's, they may have two weeks of pent up rage built up that just comes bursting out. I really feel for these kids. Something sounds terribly wrong, be it from reality T.V., being raised by Kate, or both. I hope Kate will agree to them getting some regular therapy now, not later.
What I think they really need is to get away from TFW as quick as they can and be given play dates and gentle coaching and consistent punishment/rewards for bad/good behaviors (with no anger involved). But unfortunately I don't think that will happen any time soon. :(
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I also get the sense the vast majority of their time is spent together, in the pack, especially the younger 6. The problem is like most multiples they feed off each other and many parents of multiples I've ever talked to do say they were a bit more aggressive and wilder than any single kids they had. I think they always have that other person to feed off, they always have a challenger and compatriot and also someone else vying for Mommy, and it breeds a bit more of a scrappy kid. Now times six with it not being properly curtailed, and this is what we get.
I think it would help tremendously if they each developed completely separate friends and separate interests. Like the multiples I know, it might even be incredibly beneficial to send some of them to separate schools. The twins I know, one goes to an arts school and one goes to a school with a strong sports program. It won't be convenient for Kate driving them hither and yon, but it sure would help them be individuals and break out of this concerning pack.
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