This is what it looks like to finish a marathon under your own volition, really and truly without help. (Congratulations, Pamela Anderson! You are an inspiration.) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/04/pamela-anderson-marathon_n_4211653.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
I happen to believe there was no wrong in talking about the dangers of kids on reality T.V. in such a general and nonspecific manner. For all we know he's already discussed with his children his desire to share about them and for all we know they are perfectly fine with it. Kate never said the kids themselves were upset. Oh well.
I also agree that Jon probably has tried to tell Kate all his concerns. If her attitude is anything like her blog post, I imagine he's been met mostly with her fingers in her ears and "la-la-la-la I can't HEAR YOU!" How infuriating that must be when you have real concerns about your kids. Perhaps he's trying to reach out to her in the only way he has left.
I also agree that family law court probably wouldn't do much here but tell them to work it out. Family law court will get involved in some things, but not a he said she said over whether the kids have bad morals. You're allowed to raise your child with bad morals in America and you're even allowed to spoil them rotten and there's nothing the other parent can do about it other than making a wiser choice when choosing who will be the mother of their children. Jon would have to come to them with the kids being kicked out of school again and I think Kate has wised up and is smart enough to make sure it doesn't get to that point again.
There was no harm done in red-shirting them. Much better for them to be kept together than for some to be ahead of others in another grade.
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Not sure how I feel, but that's an opinion, not a fact. There may be tremendous harm done, perhaps in the future, by holding back brighter kids. If you've ever seen a bright kid bored and frustrated because he's in the wrong grade, you would understand the harm. There may be tremendous harm done by making these children stay in a pack no matter what, because of the pack mentality they have fostered. It's really open for debate. I also agree with Vanessa that we don't know whether they may have all been perfectly ready for kindergarten sooner had they stopped filming and focused more on their preparation. This was when filming was really at full steam ahead. From the sound of Kate's journals it was an absolute whirlwind. How you would prepare any little child for kindergarten during all that is beyond me.
Pam Anderson-- yup, that's what you look like after a marathon. No makeup, no last minute lipstick for your close up. Just exhaustion and pain, not back in high heels the next day. Love Pam's pixie and frankly, her less ample chest.
And Pam has a nice sense of humor, I love the tweeted picture of her covered in ice packs sprawled out on her bed. She understands how to use twitter and what would be fun and amusing to see pics of.
The first time I saw Pam in person she was running up a big hill. She has been running for YEARS as her workout. She was hands down the most-seen celeb in the area, there was no one who hadn't seen her, because she was always either running out in public (instead of going to some posh overpriced celebrity trainer in Beverly Hills), or out with her kids at school or at their sports and other activities, or doing regular things around town like grocery shopping or getting ice-cream. She is a legit runner. And frankly just a legit person. I'm glad that's coming through about her after this marathon.
When I said Robert had wrote some things that kate told the babysitter, and I put that she needed to be arrested. It sounded like Robert said that. No, I said it, she needs to be arrested. I kinda counted all the links about kate there is about 500 of them!
I have to say this approach of ‘responding’ to Jon’s interview is something new. I don’t recall her ever writing a blog about something he said. I
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I'm trying to remember myself. I know she's responded to other shitstorms (geez how many shitstorms can one woman have? Surely she's reached her limit) but I don't think it's ever been directly to Jon or if it has it's been a long while.
This new Jon who is bursting her bubble and pulling back the curtain must be sending her into a frenzy. I bet she can't believe this is actually happening. There's a lot of dirt he knows and she must be panicking thinking what he will disclose next. Her only play is to call him a liar and slam his custodial time which no one but her six sheeple believe at this point so not sure who she's trying to kid. It's kind of interesting to watch her reactions, they are clearly massively overcompensating.
@Virginia Pen Mom, I appreciate your thanks, although not happy that this continues for you. You have bigger shoulders than me! Until you've actually had experience with this type of person, you really truly cannot empathize. You see? Your aunt is STILL calling the shots. So glad you stand up to her!They DO need to be shot down and made shut up. One question, are any other of your mother's siblings the same?
Jon is telling the truth about the kids as others have mentioned- we have seen the behavior on CWS and Katie Couric.The boys and Cara are skulking around in the shadows, expressionless, and the other kids are rude, argumentative, violent and snooty. Some of the tups did have problems at some points in their lives- the two expelled, Alexis delayed in walking, a couple with breathing difficulties ,slower speech development, It seemed one of the boys was showing possible signs of ADHD or OCD the way he acted on TV with his compulsive lining up toys and collecting things. Who knows. They were held back form Kindergarten. All the kids are definitely emotionally affected by the show and by the mother the have and the results of what Robert's book reveals.
And what is worse- mentioning vague difficulties the children have or selling their privacy through her book IJWYTK and on Twitter?
I have to say this approach of ‘responding’ to Jon’s interview is something new. I don’t recall her ever writing a blog about something he said. ***************** TFW was pretty quiet between Jon's interview and her blog post. I have no doubt that she and her publicist spet hours on the phone, trying desperately to find a media outlet that would let her come on and rebut what he said. In the end, all she was able to do was put up a post on her web site. No talk shows, nobody to see her crocodile tears. That's gotta hurt.
Oh I agree Layla. I bet the farm, plowed driveway or not, that she was working the phones and email all day yesterday trying to get a public forum to "respond" to this. No takers, so she resorted to a blog post. Poor thing. She doesn't seem to understand that media appearances have to have some hook, almost always that's a project like a show, movie or book. Few people can score media interviews just to blah blah about someone they hate, without anything more. Here's a thought, she could get a real job like nursing. Then she could do a whole media tour talking about how she's working a real job. I bet anything she could score a few couches that way.
Few people can score media interviews just to blah blah about someone they hate, without anything more. ******************************************************************** Guess she should have held off on her book tour! That could have been the "hook" she needed to spew her shit. Guess if she spoke to him or had any kind of relationship with THE FATHER OF HER CHILDREN, she would have known ahead of time Jon was doing OWN. She found out like all of us mediocres ha ha!
I love the poetic justice in TFW not getting a TV interview to counteract Jon's OWN appearance. Let's hope it stays that way and she can continue to seethe. I just hope the kids realize sooner rather than later that mommy isn't all there and that they're better off with Jon. Is he a perfect parent? No, but he will give them the tools they need to survive in the real world.
TFW was pretty quiet between Jon's interview and her blog post. I have no doubt that she and her publicist spet hours on the phone, trying desperately to find a media outlet that would let her come on and rebut what he said. __________
Can't you just see her stomping around screaming into her pink iphone?!?!
I WANT OPRAH'S PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER NOW! DO YOU HEAR ME?! NOW!
When Katie Couric visited TFW for her interview, she asked some of the kids directly, "do you fight a lot?", their response was "yes". Then, there were a few clips of them pushing one another etc. before she asked Kate how she handles that. TFW started to say, "I don't......(as in I don't get involved), but stopped short and said "I tell them to work it out, because that's life". Now, there is an example of some stellar parenting!
I have never seen her offer guidance or nurture her children, I see what she thinks if good time-management of them, impatiently moving them through situations, not teaching the lessons, but giving them rules instead. I think of their poor dog Shoka as an example. He appears to be just another chore on their long list of chores, apart and distant from them. There is a huge emotional void in Kate's household and Jon knows this and expressed his concerns publicly.
Now, what will the blowback look like? Will it end with Kate's blog-post, or will she parlay this into a TODAY show appearance? We'll see.
Good lord, TFW's timeline is mostly tweets from ppl who never saw the Oprah interview and are just responding to her stupid blog with many from fans out of the country who're just now seeing the end of K+8. SMH at the ignorance of the fans.
Can't decide if I should laugh or be disgusted at the desperation of TFW's new tweet to those who haven't yet read her blog to take a look if they're interested. LOL
And that's a narcissist for you. She's stuck on the "developmentally" thing. Out of everything he said, that they don't get along, they don't speak, they don't parent together THAT WORD is what she's put her laser beam on. If she addresses the other issues, she has to admit that SHE is the one cutting him out of their lives. That she DOESN'T have the kids' best interest. DEFLECTION: it's in their DNA. Logically we all see that she's just painted herself in a corner, but in her mind she's focus on something trivial and go with it.
Tucker's Mom said... 15 This is from Robert's blog: We know who the online Kate critics are thanks to the helpful hackers of the world, but I wonder if Kate Gosselin or any of the people closest to her have ever posted comments on her behalf on blogs or on Twitter, under an assumed name?
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
#TickTock?
Any guesses what this means??
Tucker: This is exactly what I meant when I said she could not have that many consistent Tweeties. I have suspected this for years and am looking forward to find out if I was right or sadly wrong. If the later is the case, I may require tequila. How could any stranger(s) consistently and blindly fight for her? It doesn't make sense to me, and in my world if it doesn't make sense, it's not true.
I just watched Jon's interview. Keep on killing her with kindness Jon - you're on a roll!
Unfortunately just working it out won't fly in the real world. In the real world if you push someone or are otherwise violent, that person may very well either beat you up, or call the cops and have you arrested. Their physical response to conflicts should have been addressed ages ago when they were toddlers. It is beyond ridiculous for 10 year olds and 13 year olds to be physical with each other, beyond playful wrestling. This was violence and anger and is completely inappropriate and if this is even half of what Jon sees when they are with him then he is 100% right about them.
Good comment from gotyournumber yesterday that bears repeating, about how Kate was on top of the world 3 years ago and today I think she really can't grasp that her ship has sailed. She's still living as if she's still master and commander, and I bet she can't understand why things aren't going her way, she must be baffled by it:
"I watched the Q&A video and noticed Kate was on a huge high. She was cocky and very confident. Nothing could bring her down at that point. Her plan had worked out perfectly. She got rid of that pesky Jon who didn't want to film any longer and now had her own show. They were just coming down from a 9 million viewer birthday/separation show and TLC kissing her ass. She could get them to send her practically anywhere in the world she wanted to go even Australia and New Zealand. Jon was acting like a horny teenager and she had the sympathy of the public. TLC was suing Jon and she had their might lawyers backing her. She thought at the time of this interview all of this would never end. She thought she was indispensable. How wrong she was."
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 1h If you haven't read my current thoughts, and want to, they are posted here: http://www.kateplusmy8.com/ _________
She is double-dog desperate for someone in the media to pick up her response.
I think she's more than half way down that ladder she climbed and her ass is starting to hit every rung on the way down. Katie's gonna have a boo boo on her bum.
Well the morning media rush is over and not a single taker picked up her blog post. According to google news, all 37 articles from the past few days are about Jon's concerns about the children's social problems. There is only ONE article about Kate, and it's from celebrity dirty laundry and is about how they think Kate overshares on twitter about the children. They name several celebrities who don't even name their children let alone dream of talking about them on twitter.
It's Jon's turn now, Kate. You get what you get and you don't get upset.
I didn't watch the interview since we don't get OWN. I did see the snippet of it on Oprah's website.
Based on what I've read here in the comments about the children and their developement, I have to say that even when I was watching the show I noted how poorly behaved the Gosselin children were. I have never seen children just haul off and hit each other they way they did. I always found that behavior disturbing. I just never grew up in that kind of enviroment so it was startling to watch.
Even my nieces and nephews were better behaved than the Gosselin kids when they were growing up (and they were pretty wild) but if any one of them hit one of their siblings, there would be h*lll to pay from their parents. They would nip that hitting stuff right in the bud, so my nieces and nephews didn't hit (they yelled, cried and whined but never hit each other).
And I agree with many on here, that Kate never did anything about curbing the agressive behavior in her children, toward each other. She just simply looked away or was too busy doing something for herself to be bothered. I can remember one episode when she gave the Tups lunch on plastic bendches outside and one of the boys pushed one of the girls right off her seat. Kate's reaction was to yell "Hug!!" and walk away. That was all she did. She did not address the behavior or even explain why that kind of behavior is wrong.
Oh Kate will get her say on Radar and someone will comment about it on Gather. There was already something on The Stir (sorry, but I think that is the dumbest name for a website. Just my opinion.).
Give it a day or two and she and her comment will pop up somewhere.
It probably will pop up in a few articles but I doubt she will hit the 37 articles Jon got. The heyday when she would squeak and the media would plaster it all over the news has come and gone. She's probably pacing right now going google searches unable to believe no one has picked this up. So she tweeted it again you know in case maybe they missed it? LOL.
And yes the hitting and violence and bad behavior has been startling for years and her look the other way I don't see nothin' attitude is even more disturbing. Exactly when will the kids not be allowed to hit? Exactly when will she put her foot down? Because they're pushing a certain age and if you're still being that aggressive at that age, there's going to be some serious consequences on the table, from school and perhaps more. I would implore her to deal with it now not later.
Speaking from experience, children that have behavioural issues do need continued therapy. And the earlier the better. My son, who is now 7, developed major anxiety issues over the past year. Nothing is more heartbreaking than seeing your child absolutely terrified to go to school.
Behavioural therapy teaches the child how to deal with their emotions - when kids don't know how to have an outlet for their frustrations, they resort to what they know: lash out physically, cry, whine, or withdraw.
But to my point - the biggest part of changing a child's behaviour, comes from the parents. When we put our son in therapy last year, we had to attend specialized therapy sessions as well. And we still do. You can't help your child if you don't take an active role in understanding their issues.
I couldn't imagine telling my then 6 year old - deal with it yourself, while I tell everyone about our perfect family.
I just really feel for all those kids, and what they must be going through. Frankly, the entire family needs professional help.
It's almost like she read a magazine article about letting kids work it out but has taken it to such an absurd degree that the purpose of that technique has been completely defeated.
Working it out is great but kids need the tools and skills to be able to work things out FIRST, and that comes from their adult role models. You can't just say go work it out without ever teaching them the tools of conflict resolution. And if in working it out things are getting out of hand, like violence comes into play, that's your job as the adult to intervene.
The working it out mantra was NEVER intended to let children become out of control like Lord of the Flies. It was simply intended to try to curtail helicopter parents who were intervening in every single little squabble no matter how small, even over a paper clip. Those kids were never able to practice their conflict resolution skills because of the hover mothers. Since Kate is not a hover mother and never was, that directive to just let the poor kids work things out on their own once in awhile was NEVER intended to be talking to her. Like anything in parenting, it's usually a balance. One extreme or the other isn't good.
Now, what will the blowback look like? Will it end with Kate's blog-post, or will she parlay this into a TODAY show appearance? We'll see.
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Oh, geez. If she's going to do the set-the-record-straight tour, will she have to drag the kids with her? You know, put them on display just to prove that they are practically perfect in every way?
Is it possible that the kids show aggressive behavior (hitting, etc) at Kate's because she doesn't do anything about it. But at Jon's place the kids are made to toe the line. Meaning bad behavior is not tolerated and consequences happen immediately.
This idea would go along with the concern Kate always has about all 8 going in public because the public what cause problems. Yet the reports the locals have given in this blog was no panic ensued when Jon took the kids somewhere. I actually think Kate is concerned that the kids poor behavior when they are with her would be exposed. And worse than that, she doesn't take care of the situation immediately while they are in public because she doesn't want to be exposed for her lack of parenting skills.
I agree Kate thought she was invincible and her Q+A showed that. She was so smug, tossing viewer's questions on the floor, putting her dirty feet up on that ottoman and revealing her machinations about being in movies and voice acting.
He gave a followup comment to Hollywood Life: “That’s reality, there’s no skating the truth,” Jon told HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY after his controversial claims in his interview. ”That’s what it is. They react differently to their peers.”
That's pretty much what I said yesterday. It's just reality. I even used that word. You may not like the truth or the messenger, but that certainly doesn't make the message untrue. At least someone is being honest in this mess. Kate must be seething he's even allowed a follow up comment and she still can't get a single taker on her blog post.
Hoosier, I think you called it "cue Chris the pap". I've never considered buying, or reading, one of TFW's books: however since reading here, today, what's between the covers of IJWYTK, I'd gladly read here some snippets. The more the better to expose her. Someone did say they should be tweeted. Great idea. Maybe, just maybe, her patina will be scratched. Was reading a post on Daily Mail yesterday: they are ignorant of the reality of the situation over there. To shut her down the real coverage must be exponential. Surely Jon would have anticipated her reaction: he knows her rotting interior. So he must have covered his rear with advice from his lawyer. I sure hope so.
I still think one of the biggest problems here even more than denial might just be a fundamental difference in perception.
What Kate truly in her heart and head might see as two kids working it out and it's good for them to working it out, a reasonable and rational person would see two kids clawing each other's eyes out in a very unhealthy, angry and vicious manner. A reasonable person, like Kendra, would be moved to tears. Meanwhile Kate feels pride at her ability to let the kids work it out and resolve things.
She might truly, deep down, not see what we see. So to her everything IS fine because she's just not seeing it. I'm not sure which is worse, denial or just not even understanding why such behavior is an issue.
Working it out is great but kids need the tools and skills to be able to work things out FIRST, and that comes from their adult role models. You can't just say go work it out without ever teaching them the tools of conflict resolution. _________
Kate doesn't have the tools for her own conflict management. We saw what was in her toolbox: ignore, scream, berate, hit
Spitting is an aggressive form of several different situations: anger, defensive, copying other child’s behavior or problem solving according to child development psychology. It means the child is reacting to stress, not having the ability to solve a problem/defending themselves in the heat of the moment, or acting out in anger due to not being a good problem solver. That sounds pretty extreme. Especially for a nearly 10-year-old child. But what in the world caused Hannah to spit on her sibling? I think it was Leah she spit on.
Since she has infantilized them for way too long, I am wondering if that is one reason they seem not to have cognitive thinking—Alexis saying something about the fallen branches; that’s something a toddler would say. It makes NO SENSE for a nearly 10-year-old child to say that. It’s embarrassing, actually.
It was A VERY BAD IDEA to have Katie Couric film the children for the benefit of creating a Kate Gosselin episode.
It's almost like she read a magazine article about letting kids work it out but has taken it to such an absurd degree that the purpose of that technique has been completely defeated.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2h If you haven't read my current thoughts, and want to, they are posted here: http://www.kateplusmy8.com/ ********* Wow, that's really pretty desperate. There was a time that Kate's blog missive would have been plastered everywhere by now, including the men's room at a Barbra Streisand concert.
I see Kate is desperate, that everyone read her statement, she has posted twice in 7 hours that people should go to her site & read her rebuttal. What the matter Kate, did Jon hit the truth nerve. Or is this her anger showing , cause she should have been the poor single mom being interviewed on TV, not Jon on OWN & the View. BOOHOO Kate!
and her look the other way I don't see nothin' attitude is even more disturbing
And she thinks it's sooo cute when she does that.
It made me even more disgusted that Katie Couric went along with it. Drinking their *big* glasses of wine, saying to each other, 'I don't hear anything' and then smirking.
It's beyond me why Katie Couric would think that was 'cute'. They're both too old for 'cute'.
It wasn't cute, funny, or amusing. It was poor parenting. Why encourage it? Why would Katie want to be a part of poor parenting??
And yes the hitting and violence and bad behavior has been startling for years and her look the other way I don't see nothin' attitude is even more disturbing. Exactly when will the kids not be allowed to hit? Exactly when will she put her foot down? Because they're pushing a certain age and if you're still being that aggressive at that age, there's going to be some serious consequences on the table, from school and perhaps more. I would implore her to deal with it now not later. *************************************************************
Don`t kid yourselves. SHE is allowed to hit. When there is chaos-kids fighting, hitting-she may let them resolve it "on their own" until SHE finally loses a gasket. Some people here think she's stopped physically abusing them? In MY experience with a narcissistic mother, it won't stop until they are teens ALL OF THEM.
But to my point - the biggest part of changing a child's behaviour, comes from the parents. When we put our son in therapy last year, we had to attend specialized therapy sessions as well. And we still do. You can't help your child if you don't take an active role in understanding their issues. ******* I'm so glad your son was given help and has responded! I wonder if it's not unusual for families of HOM's to get regular therapy for tools to deal with such a challenging situation that last for long, long time and is very fluid. No one could possibly be blessed with ALL the tools to deal with that.
I can remember one episode when she gave the Tups lunch on plastic bendches outside and one of the boys pushed one of the girls right off her seat. Kate's reaction was to yell "Hug!!" and walk away. That was all she did. *********************************************************
And don't forget, that was for the cameras. She thought it would make "good tv" that's all.
There was an episode where Kate was sitting at the table alone eating her salad, or to be more precise, shoveling lettuce into her piehole while talking to the camera, when two or three of the sextuplets came to her in tears, screaming at one another about something and Kate just stopped them in the middle and said no fighting or ...and then threatened to withhold something from them. Anyway, my point is the kids desperately needed her to intervene to help settle their argument and she just waved them off. I felt sorry for them because she refused to listen. Okay, sometimes they can work it out among themselves, but there are certainly times a parent does have to take the reins and explain why so and so should have this, and what is fair and what isn't ...etc.
Kate won't do that. She has the mentality of a tweenie herself so she doesn't know how to manage a discussion with maturity. It is also too much work. She's a lazy parent and if Jon is pointing out some of the signs that all is not perfect with his children, maybe it's time she shut up and listen for a change instead of opposing him. You know, work it out WITH Jon, like she tells her kids to do with each other.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 30 Oh, geez. If she's going to do the set-the-record-straight tour, will she have to drag the kids with her? You know, put them on display just to prove that they are practically perfect in every way? --------------------------------- Don't give her any ideas! I can see it now, Mady tearfully telling the cameras that Jon is hurting their mother and won't he just leave them alone. And by-the-way she's a great actress and Disney should give her a call. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
Blegh. I hope that NEVER happens but I wouldn't put it past TFW to cross that line.
I have to say that I am surprised that Kate did not get on The View for her "book tour". Even more surprising is that Kathy Griffin is on today and OMG, she and Barbara couldn't be more BFFs! My, how things have changed. BTW... Brad Garrett is co-hosting for a couple days and he's too funny. (not even a mention on Hot Topics (I think withdrawlgate made them look foolish, so they might be a bit gun shy about going down that hysteria-fueled rabbit hole again))
Virginia Pen Mom, my sincere sympathy for having to deal with your aunt. your mother is fortunate to have you advocating for her. brings back memories of my mother and her sisters arguments. We had more than one ” challenging” relative. Families! Gotta love 'em! Either that or move far, far away.
Oh boy, TFW won't like this. He clarifies that they don't make friends because they only want to talk to adults. Jeez, maybe because they were only surrounded by adults until school? Just what we always said..they had no friends over. Ever. He also talks about trying to rectify this by taking them out places and not isolating them (like you-know-who does). He specifies that there is nothing wrong with them, that it is the adults faults for not giving them the normal childhood experiences. I think we've all seen how one of the twins acts way beyond her age, almost to a snooty level.
So KK say's that the kids one day will see Jon's interviews that he had done.
I hope she knows that door swings both ways and she has way more explaining to do. She has said horrible things over the past years also exposing her kids secrets.
How will she explain all of her horrible interviews to her children?
From Hollywood Life: “They’ve always had a problem making friends with their peers. I’ve noticed in observation since they started school, TV has affected them,” Jon explained to HollywoodLife, as was reported on VH1′s Gossip Table. “They only want to talk to adults. Developmentally something is missing.
This is what we've suspected. "Daddies" and glomming onto crew members is not normal. They are not family. This is their job. They leave and go home to their own family and their own children at the end of the day. The G kids stay on the "set". It never stops at the end of the day when it turns off and real life begins. I'm glad Jon is responding so quickly. This isn't a contest. No one loves the kids more than the other. It's an honest account of a real concern. I mean, come on, did ANY of us have only the kids over to our home or for our birthday whose parents agreed to sign confidentiality agreements? This is NOT normal.
“I don’t have nannies or anything like that, so when they’re with me I integrate them into society and the rest of the world,” Jon told HollywoodLife.com about his efforts to give his kids normalcy. “If I need to go grocery shopping, they’re coming with me."
Go for it Jon! Why hasn't anyone ever asked TFW, if she does it all alone, why and how she was always spotted shopping BY.HERSELF, except maybe with the twins?
And Jackass Milo can't have her cake and eat it too...the twins can't have "Seen Jon for What He Is" AND be happy and well adjusted. Tweens/teens don't go from having the relationship we saw them have with their father, to their" realizing" he is a jerk but being perfectly fine about never seeing him and not having the father they "thought" they had. I know this from first hand experience. My teen went through a lot of turmoil as her dad's actualy jerkiness became apparent to her. Interestingly enough, guess who she took her anger out on? Me. Because she feels safe with my love. She knows that even though she called me vile names (and got grounded), my love for her was still there (no, she didn't become "unloveable"). But she is an angel around her dad because she is not secure in her love for him. She honestly feels that if she doesn't please him, which she never quite feels she does, he will reject her.
OT: because same old TFMJG is boring in her oh so predictable response to Jon being on TV. If she ever responded nicely, THAT would be newsworthy! Last night on DWTS was Cher night with the diva herself add the guest judge and she did great and dancers did great and you can watch it at ABC.com. All the news today cares about is who will win as governor in NJ, Christie of course, and in Virginia, and who will be mayor of NYC. No national headlines for a long divorced couple where the wife was the abuser and all the men who watched could not understand why Jon stayed as long as he did.
TWF even says right after the kids are horrible to Clay, "The kids just love each other so much and they're so comfortable together."
Exactly what is going on NOW. Jon is saying the kids have problems. TFW is saying look at the Emperor's beautiful clothes! The kids get along great with everyone!
@Kateplusmy8 We know U spend every wk filling the social agenda/routing the places of ur kids w/school activities & playdates w/friends!
How in the name of all that's holy does Milo know Kate's schedule? There;s a mental illness going on here. Is her family aware of this, and if so, don't they care? I just don't get it!
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 2m @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 I figured out why Jon said the kids have no manners-->>They didn't want to cozy up with his new girlfriend. Hello!
Although Jon and other may believe that reality television and fame is the cause of his children's delays in social development, it is far more likely that the primary cause was the physical abuse and neglect suffered as toddlers. Regardless of the show, these kids were already at very high risk for developmental delays.
The child may display thinking patterns that are typical of a younger child, including egocentric perspectives, lack of problem-solving ability, and inability to organize and structure thoughts.
Speech and language may be delayed or inappropriate.
The child may be unable to concentrate on school work, and may not be able to conform to the structure of a school setting. The child may not have developed basic problem-solving and may have considerable difficulty in academics.
Social: The child may be suspicious and mistrustful of adults or overly solicitous, agreeable, and manipulative, and may not turn to adults for comfort and help when in need.
The child may talk in unrealistically glowing terms about her family; may exhibit "role reversal" and assume a "parenting" role with the parent.
The child may not respond to positive praise and attention or may excessively seek adult approval and attention.
The child may feel inferior, incapable, and unworthy around other children; may have difficulty making friends, feel overwhelmed by peer expectations for performance, may withdraw from social contact, and may be used as a scapegoat by peers.
Emotional: The child may experience damage to self-esteem from denigrating or punitive messages from an abusive parent or lack of positive attention in a neglectful environment.
The child may behave impulsively, have frequent emotional outbursts, and be unable to delay gratification.
We'll Milo since TFW is so busy with the kids social calendars I'm sure the moms will be jumping to say so any minute now. I mean some of them must have a twitter right? I'm sure Johnny's mom will ce forward and talk about all the te Johnny spends with his best friend who is one of the Gosselins
In my sad experience with narcissists, they encourage fighting between their children as part of the manipulation and control issues of their personalities. Just as they are quick to scream, hit, and degrade to achieve their goals, they expect and understand others doing the same. Then they elevate their behavior to control the out of control situation causing a unholy miasma of misery for all whom they interact. And when called on their behavior and the behavior they create will never understand and become very upset that you think they should change. As I have said before, the only way to survive NPD is to run fast and far, and if you have to ever look back do it after therapy and then only briefly. I do believe the kids act differently with Jon, who seems to have expectations of normalcy. If the school has expectations of non aggressive behavior and enforces those expectations, maybe they can reach adult more or less unscathed. As for Kate; pftttt. Rot in hell.
We always knew the kids were incredibly isolated, and that TFW does not allow the tups to do extracurricular activities. From a young age, they learned that they cannot get too attached to others, because eventually everyone they cared about was banished from their lives by their mother. They are now isolated on the compound, not allowed activities that might put them in contact with other kids, not even allowed to sit by other kids on the school bus. Add to that the attitude that Gosselins are somehow better than everyone else. ("If you want to know how to do something, just ask the Gosselins") and you have a recipe for some very dysfunctional adults. I always wondered if TFW isolates the kids to make them more marketable--kind of like,"If people want to see my kids, then someone has to give me a show. Otherwise forget it". Kate needs to get off her behind and start socializing those kids. Hopefully it's not too late. Looking at the way she's trying to shut out their father, she has no intention of letting any outsiders in. Remember her email to Hailey, saying she has to get her kids away from Jon? What will happen to them if she succeeds in cutting him off from their lives? What will the psychological effect be on the kids? They are learning to shut out and distrust everyone in the world except their mother and each other. And that is truly frightening. It's like she's trying to create her own little cult.
This may sound odd, but I think it might just be the best thing for the kids if TFW really doesn "lose it all". Sheeple claim that the non-fans want TFW to go broke and lose the house and have to put the kids in public schools. Wouldn't it be a good thing for the kids to live somewhere less isolated, where there are more kids around to interact with? Wouldn't it be better for them to go to the local public schools and have classmates there in the same neighborhood instead of an hour away in Lancaster? If the kids have socialization issues, then they need to be around kids. Maybe a neighborhood pool or playground, community picnics, etc. Of course, I can just picture TFW coming out the front door each morning, looking around at the neighboring families all piling into their mini-vans head off to school/work, and shrieking, "They're all congregating out here!".
Do you think this fan wants Kate to be a WEEKEND TV TALK SHOW HOST? lol!
peterrowland @peterrowland10 @Kateplusmy8 Kate I would love for you to come back to television and make a triumphant return and start a new career show
peterrowland @peterrowland10 @Kateplusmy8 hi kate i love you and support you please come back to tv and host your own weekend tv talk show on e network please
peterrowland @peterrowland10 @Kateplusmy8 hi kate i wan't you to be a weekend tv talk show host and host your own weekend tv talk show on e network
peterrowland @peterrowland10 36m @Kateplusmy8 hi kate i love you and support you please come back to tv and host your own weekend tv talk show on e network please ______
LOL if it was up to Kate she would've done this like yesterday.
After reading the Hollywood Life article I really do see where Jon is coming from. Filming started in the tups formative years and they were never really around kids their own age. They were mostly around the crew and other adults. Whenever they went anywhere everything was closed down so that they didn't get to interact with other kids. TFW got upset because people were congregating and looking at them or taking unauthorized pictures and she let this be known to all. Never mind that they were probably looking because of the cameras. No they were looking because they were and are "The Gosselins" and are more special in every way than anyone else. They were given things and trips and constantly told how special they are. I can see this leading to feelings of entitlement and the Veruca Salt attitude of "don't care how I want it now" which TFW displays and has probably passed on to them
I remember the pool party issue where one of the boys said to another child (not an exact quote) "if you want something done right just ask the Gosselins". I'm not even sure what they were doing or looking at anymore. What struck me about the comment was the fact that they must have it drilled into their heads just how much better they are than anyone else.
So yeah, I can see where they probably do have problems relating to kids their own age and separating the I want it Vs I need it.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 8 And Pam has a nice sense of humor, I love the tweeted picture of her covered in ice packs sprawled out on her bed. She understands how to use twitter and what would be fun and amusing to see pics of. **** I think Pamela Anderson is a good example of how a celebrity can use their time on DWTS to give a wider audience a different view of them. Prior to seeing her on DWTS, I really didn't think much one way or the other about Pam Anderson, except that she had a recurring role on Tim Allen's tv show before breaking out with Baywatch. And then of course, her Tommy Lee phase and all that drama.
Getting to see her on DWTS, you could see a real fragility to her; a shyness mixed with a determination to do her best. I was left with a positive feeling rather than a negative one.
Kate had that same opportunity, and she was unable to handle it. I think that people who were only vaguely aware of her before came away with an overall negative viewpoint about her.
Unfortunately just working it out won't fly in the real world. In the real world if you push someone or are otherwise violent, that person may very well either beat you up, or call the cops and have you arrested. Their physical response to conflicts should have been addressed ages ago when they were toddlers ****** I agree, and I can only imagine the mixed messages these children got during their very young, formative years. Their mother ignoring them and leaving them to work it out, ala Lord of the Flies. Their somewhat immature though loving father, probably trying to break up the fights but probably constantly harried by his wife with derogatory comments.
Children absolutely can learn how to get along with others; if they are gently corrected and shown the way. At no age should hitting be allowed. Even with a toddler, kind yet firm "no hitting" and removing a child from a situation until he or she calms down, is very effective unless there are underlying issues.
If in addition to receiving absolutely no parental intervention during sibling squabbles, they are also on the receiving end of physical punishment -- it would have been unreasonable to expect them not to physically fight each other.
Speaking from experience, children that have behavioural issues do need continued therapy. And the earlier the better. My son, who is now 7, developed major anxiety issues over the past year. Nothing is more heartbreaking than seeing your child absolutely terrified to go to school. ****** I hope your son is getting a great deal of benefit and comfort from his therapy. My heart goes out to him and to you.
Go for it Jon! Why hasn't anyone ever asked TFW, if she does it all alone, why and how she was always spotted shopping BY.HERSELF, except maybe with the twins? ______
I bet she'll pay Chris to snap photos of her and all of the 8 happy and smiling coming form various stores.
Another example of TFW turning a blind eye was in Farm to Table when she was waxing on about her wonderful chicken cattiatore. The twins, mainly Cara, were screaming hysterically over musical toys and had the tups joining in. Kate just said she left them to figure it out, and 'didn't hear anything.' The emotion and anger in Cara's voice frightened even Mady, and Hannah was backing Cara up. The older sisters are the emotional role models for the 'littles.'
Kate's recent blog flies in the face of the many many times she said that she has no interest in what Jon is doing, she doesn't pay attention or give a second thought to what he does in his life. Many versions of this same sentiment were stated up one side and down the other of her most recent book tour. She's going to 'doesn't care about him' right into the spotlight she so desperately seeks for herself.
VA Penn Mom said (re her aunt): And I've never seen such greed. It's mind-boggling. Nothing is ever enough. (She did receive half of my grandmother's money, yet she still nickels and dimes my mother to death.) Where do these nuts come from? My grandmother and grandfather were salt-of-the-earth people and my mom is a very nice and generous person. ***** I so appreciate it when you and others on this blog share their own real life experiences in dealing with a narcissistic personality. I think until you see their behavior first hand, sometimes you cannot grasp that a person would behave so irrationally and badly, for no apparent reason.
I'm glad your mother has you to act as buffer and protector. I can't imagine being a child and having no one to act as buffer between myself and a full blown narcissist like Kate. Their time with Jon must seem too short, knowing that they will have to return home and probably dare not acknowledge how much they enjoy spending time with their dad.
Kateplusmy8 We know U spend every wk filling the social agenda/routing the places of ur kids w/school activities & playdates w/friends!
Milo, sweetie, what do you know that we don't? Activities? Play dates? She never talks about any of those, does she? And as for play dates, these kids are 10 and 13. Nope, it's school and the school bus.
It is interesting that Jon says they prefer to talk to adults - so it would appear they do not necessarily interact well with others at school, and we have seen how they interact with each other. Truly a shame when you infantilize your younger children, refer to them not as individuals but as a pack, and also pretend your teens are your bff's. Social issues? No one here is surprised.
And that's exactly what we were trying to explain about Kate crashing the twins' sleepover. Even if the twins wanted her there and were more comfortable with her there she has got to remove herself from the situation and allow them to socialize and interact with their peers without an adult crutch to lean on. I suppose it makes Kate feel good they are her alleged BFFs but that does not mean that relationship is what is in their best interest. Their BFF should be another 13 year old, not an adult. TFW is their mother, not their friend.
In my sad experience with narcissists, they encourage fighting between their children as part of the manipulation and control issues of their personalities. Just as they are quick to scream, hit, and degrade to achieve their goals, they expect and understand others doing the same. ********************************************************** Oh for sure! My mother would pit one of us against the other all.the.time And you know what? If you're told over and over again that you're lazy, stupid, useless...whatever-you might just grow up to be those things. Might as well live up to those expectations, right? We have a sister who's life is a shamble, with men, money, kids etc....well guess who was the "black sheep" as a kid? Another sister was the golden child, but to this day she really hates that "mother" gave her privileges, was used as the example of how we were to behave. But you know what? She's a doormat to this day. We've all got issues!
I grew up in a large family, no multiples but very close in ages. When I see some of the kids beating on the others with no consequences it brings out the anger I feel at my parents for letting that go on. Just because the Gosselin kids are the same ages, they are not the same sizes, nor do they have the same physical strength. To allow the bigger, stronger kids to beat on the weaker kids and do nothing is child abuse. My parents allowed that to happen and we were also told to work it out. How the hell does a little girl work it out when her stronger sibling is bigger, stronger and violent? I've never hit anyone in my life but I sure was hit - a lot. Letting kids work out squabbles is fine, but violence and bullying - sorry Kate, that's your job! Although I'd love to hear you tell your kids, "We don't hit!" as you're beating the crap out of them. I bet you also tell them not to chew gum with their mouths open or not to steal. Yeah, kids are smart enough to know a hypocrite when they see one, so you have no moral authority. Maybe you should give them to Jon. I think it's the only chance they have.
It's beyond me why Katie Couric would think that was 'cute'. They're both too old for 'cute'.
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Another thing that isn't cute are their little expressions/quotes she throws out on twitter. Sheeple love it. They "aw" over it, gushing about how sweet it is -- out of the mouths of babes, etc. These kids aren't babies. They are 9 1/2 years old and yet she still wants them to be toddlers. I think that might be some of the problem. She doesn't want them to grow up because she's not grown up. If you're stuck in that tween maturity, how can you parent a child who has almost caught up to you?
Just to let everyone know. Kate's lawyer just filed a stipulation. The lawyers all agreed that Kate's lawyer be allowed extra time, until November 12, to respond to the Motions to Dismiss. It should be interesting to read Kate's lawyer's response.
Milicent and Tucker's Mom - thank you for the support! My son is actually doing really well. He can still have a "bad" day, but those are few and far between. Anxiety is very common in kids that age (as I have learned), and some handle it better than others. My husband and I really committed ourselves, and any resources we had to help him get better.
And I am not trying to sound like a martyr or anything, but I quit my job last year to help him through it. If the most important thing in our lives is our children, then why wouldn't we make that our priority? And I didn't want to look back in 5 or 10 years, and say, "I wonder why our child can't control his behaviour and emotions, but I am sure glad I made all that money at my job". And we are NOT well off to be able to do that - we just adjusted our spending, and have gone without things we thought we needed in the past. And to tell you the truth, it really isn't that difficult to do, and it helps to teach our kids about finances as well. When we are at the grocery store, or mall, etc., and the kids ask for something and I say no, they respond "let me guess, it's too expensive". LOL!
So if TFW does EVERYTHING for her kids, why wouldn't she ensure their emotional health? We all know that answer...
My earlier comment wasn't posted that I see. I just said what was worse, Jon saying the kids had some problems now due to their life on TV ,or their private emotional laundry being aired by their mother on the show and also on twitter/website and in her book IJWYTK.
Sadie said... 89 ****** Thanks for sharing, Sadie. I can relate with an older brother and not having parents put their foot down on physical contact. It is angering beyond belief-- betrayal even. You can't leave, you know? You're stuck.
Sometimes Kate used to turn to the camera when a child said something rude,laughing, like it was funny or cute.I remember once she said she had a surprise, and Mady said sarcastically'"we're going to the movies AGAIN?" Rude and spoiled IMO, although I don't blame the kids- probably echoing good ole Mommy.Kate also imitated Joel's lisp in that episode and touched everyone's food at Austin's as she divvied it out
Well, the tweeting did the trick. Congrats, Kate, for getting back into the tabloids, because, heaven knows, unless you wrote your missive on your blog and tweeted about it multiple times, your children would never feel vindicated. Not that they need to. Bravo. Well done.
Someone mentioned Farm to Table so I went to take a look. I only got to about 4:30 when I saw a tup hit a tup, then for some reason another tup slapped Mady really hard in the arm for no apparent reason. TFW simply says "stop your obnoxiousness".
Back to DWTS, a favorite show, when TFMJG was on, I remember Niecy Nash and another contestant mentioning that teens needed more parenting. Out was like they were going to give advice to TFMJG. Of course the response of TFMJG was to say no no no she didn't want to hear it. It was one of those conversational clips after several weeks if competition. Typical response. Better get up to date on teen parenting advice, TFMJG.
Re: Pam Anderson, I didn't think much of her during her Baywatch/Tommy Lee years. But I saw a clip of her years later, at one of her sons' baseball game. There were paps filming her and the kids, and Pam walked over and told them to knock it off, this was private and there were children involved. I was impressed--she was there without bodyguards or an entourage, standing with the rest of the parents. She clearly wanted her son to be able to play his game and just be one of the kids. Her sons are turning out to be very impressive young men, from what I have heard, and she certainly worked to make their childhoods as normal as possible. She's a good mom.
Two of my grandsons are not quite 2 years apart. There is a certain amount of physicality between the boys; hitting is simple not tolerated, nor is striking out at Mom. I am very impressed when I see my daughter remove the offender, get down on her knees to his height and have a serious conversation about the offense. Time outs have been known to happen, and not in the Kate flapping her hands in front of a camera way. She does not know how to be a parent; sad that she tossed Kevin and Jody to the curb, Jody could have taught her a lot. So perhaps it does go back to the way she was raised. But no excuses, having children means you have to raise them, and raise them as the grownup. And raise them right.
So, the major emotional and behavioural issues reported today about Charlie Sheen's twins with his druggie ex-wife, must solely be the kids' fault…right TFW?
Also in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2pE4Q5sWzA
Wooden spoon in the door pocket, 4:54
Man at 5:40 she goes "no sandbox by the way" when they stopped at a playground. WHO DOES THAT?
7:10 talks about needing babysitters for safety, homework, and bedtimes
Instrument meltdown starts at 9:25
Why wasn't Cara put immediately in timeout when she started screeching like that?
I think TFW likes to cook from scratch because it's here excuse to not have to deal with the kids. She said it was a long afternoon of cooking, so the babysitter dealt with them all afternoon while she cooked.
Then she has the babysitter take Cara to the doctor while she stayed home.
And of course family game night is brand new games provided for free for product placement.
"Mady had a little meltdown which is typical of Mady" No, no public trashing there.
Kate came out swinging, why such a major reaction? Kate wants back on TV, Kate has to get Jon out of the picture so she goes on the book (discredit Jon tour) with a lawsuit thrown in for good measure. If she can get him out, then just maybe she can get complete control and get back on TV. But Jon gets a good lawyer, half of the lawsuit disappears but no never means no and she continues on.....but then Jon gives interviews and shares his belief reality tv has hurt his children in a variety of ways and to back it up they have tape from what Kate has said is the realist reality show on TV. The general public can see his point, media people are now showing his interview and saying poor kids, believing in the ramifications Jon has expressed. Now what television opportunity is going to invest in her mess?
Kate has lost control of the "conversation" and she is totally freaking out. Jon is speaking about the problems reality tv caused for his children. Some people are finally listening and Kate is clueless how to react. Instead, she deflects and lies. There are hours upon hours of coverage that points out to the problems her children are having based growing up in a world that is not real and the problems associated with a bat-crazy Mother.
Alberta Girl said... 95 Milicent and Tucker's Mom - thank you for the support! My son is actually doing really well. He can still have a "bad" day, but those are few and far between. Anxiety is very common in kids that age (as I have learned), and some handle it better than others. My husband and I really committed ourselves, and any resources we had to help him get better.
And I am not trying to sound like a martyr or anything, but I quit my job last year to help him through it. If the most important thing in our lives is our children, then why wouldn't we make that our priority? **** I'm happy to hear that :) No, you don't sound like a martyr lol. I know exactly how you feel. If there is something we can do to make our child's life better, that's what most of us are going to do. We find a way. Childhood is not the carefree time that is so often depicted in fiction or film. There are a lot of stressors on our kids these days.
Wow, there sure are a lot of us here who had a parent with NPD. I'm #5 of 10, count 'em, 10 kids, with the last two being twins. I can't even begin to recount my anger at my mother for allowing my brothers to beat the crap out of me on a regular basis.
Is it any wonder we can read TFW like a book? We lived it, didn't we.
My observations have not been changed post interview and response. Kate is still self serving and Jon is trying to right the ship.
If she thinks she's winning over the arena of public opinion she is mistaken. Nothing she ever says period is the truth. Don't bother kate I say. We have known for years that is not about the children,but good try.
Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read.
CarolJB said... 118 Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read. ***** Thanks for the info. I've been wondering if the case had anything new. So, basically Kate's lawyer wants more time and was given it. I guess these things can move along pretty slow and drag on and on and on.
Siobhan R @SiobhanR111 10m @Kateplusmy8 You're a great mom, Kate. You support ur kids emotionally, financially & u stand UP for them. They r lucky to have YOU. xoxo
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A big problem these days is parents who stand up for their kids no matter what. This has led to teachers being afraid to discipline kids. I see parents defend their kids when the get in trouble in school even if they were wrong. In my day if you were in trouble at school you were ALSO in trouble at home. I wonder what really happened on the bus when "mama bear" kate got mad that the bus driver said something to one of the kids. Maybe they deserved it.
CarolJB said... 118 Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read
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Thanks. I thought a stipulation is when they agree that something is true?
Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read.
Thanks CarolJB for the info. Did the stipulation state the reason her attorney asked for more time?
It's interesting that Jon and Robert's lawyers were able to dissect her complaint point by point including stating the law, quickly, yet TFW needs more time. Heh Maybe that's what is contributing to her tizzy.
Although I know that asking and receiving more time is very common, I think it's indicative in this situation of how weak her case is and how little they understand the history and FACTS of the case. Seems like they should have known the applicable laws and what their position and defense of each point was going to be and been able to easily rattle it off backwards and forwards.
Maybe I'm expecting too much after reading Shawn Tuma's knowledgeable and well written responses? ;- ) Heh, again.
Google attachment disorder. While it is more commonly thought to effect children growing up in orphanages, it does effect other children. I have long suspected that some of the children may have it and Jon's comments strongly suggest that possibility. Therapy is necessary; unfortunately, family therapy is needed. Additionally, Jon may have made those statements not only because they are true but also to make his children less desirable to any potential realty show Kate manages to find.
Vanessa said... 109 Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin! Jon's turn now. And so it goes. ******************************************************
Actually it hasn't been "tit for tat", this is the FIRST time he's spoken
localyocul said... 104 Someone mentioned Farm to Table so I went to take a look. I only got to about 4:30 when I saw a tup hit a tup, then for some reason another tup slapped Mady really hard in the arm for no apparent reason. TFW simply says "stop your obnoxiousness".
Someone should compile all these examples. ____
RV- when the kids were pushing each other off chair near a fire and all KK did was scream.
Did she do something when Jamie's son Clay was being hit/bullied by one of the 8?
Siobhan R @SiobhanR111 10m @Kateplusmy8 You're a great mom, Kate. You support ur kids emotionally, financially & u stand UP for them. They r lucky to have YOU. xoxo
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A big problem these days is parents who stand up for their kids no matter what. This has led to teachers being afraid to discipline kids. I see parents defend their kids when the get in trouble in school even if they were wrong. In my day if you were in trouble at school you were ALSO in trouble at home. I wonder what really happened on the bus when "mama bear" kate got mad that the bus driver said something to one of the kids. Maybe they deserved it.
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Amen. Don't forget that the sheeple who tweeted that is in the running for one of the slowest in the flock...not the sharpest tool in the shed (by a longshot)!
Amen to me too. People enable this woman and by proxy enable her kids. Kate enables her kids' bad behavior. Many other adults enable bad behavior in general. We are a culture of enablers. Kudos to anyone who says that's wrong. I'm not the biggest Suzee Orman fan but even she has an entire chapter in her new book about how she's sick of trying to clean up the messes parents have made of their kids who are now in ther 20s. She essentially says they are spoiled and completely financially illiterate because parents were always so afraid to level with them.
Re the spitting, that is an aggressive form. I mean really aggressive behavior according to child development psychology it comes from a lack of problem solving skills, anger or stress. The child might not have had the ability for problem solving. No tools, therefore a/he resorts to spitting.
Hannah spitting at Leah could be cuz she's feeling stressful & doesn't know how to handle that situation of playing these stupid games with Kate C.
I bet TWF is proud of herself on how the children 'handle' themselves. No, it's embrassesing! Infantizing them for way too long must have been a toll on them. I bet when they're at school, they know other kids do not live like they do. That is uf they are even allowed to sit with other kids at lunchtime.
Thanks. I thought a stipulation is when they agree that something is true? Did the stipulation state the reason her attorney asked for more time?
A stipulation can be an agreement to extend time to answer a motion. It doesn't mean that anyone is agreeing that any facts are true or not true.
The stipulation doesn't state a reason why more time is needed. It's pretty common in federal court cases for another party to request more time to respond. For me, it's been my experience that it means that the attorney is extremely busy or needs time to research the issues because he doesn't know how to respond.
Carol I was going to explain that too. More often than not it's just because you have several cases all coming to a head the same week and a planned vacation just prior that took you out of commission and an unexpected appeal or change of court date in another case you have to add to your load now too. It could be because they are floundering around not sure how to handle it but usually these things are because of scheduling and are normal and common requests.
Stipulation just means you're not going to fight an extension of time, you're fine with it. I would rarely contest a reasonable request for more time unless I suspect somebody is playing games. It's hard to say that on only the first request. Plus I may need more time at some point too and I wouldn't want anyone fighting it. Continuances are supposed to be liberally granted.
On another note I think Shawn should give them all the time they want. This case should be won fair and square, not because they decided to be jerks about a reasonable request for more time. Then they'll be accused of winning on a technicality. I want this won on the issues.
chefsummer said... 127 localyocul said... 104 Someone mentioned Farm to Table so I went to take a look. I only got to about 4:30 when I saw a tup hit a tup, then for some reason another tup slapped Mady really hard in the arm for no apparent reason. TFW simply says "stop your obnoxiousness".
Someone should compile all these examples. ____
RV- when the kids were pushing each other off chair near a fire and all KK did was scream.
Did she do something when Jamie's son Clay was being hit/bullied by one of the 8?
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On the RV trip Ca was refusing to allow Clay to sit with her and had a raging fit. When Jamie went to talk to TFW, TFW told HER to control CLAY
Usually two extensions are granted freely here. However, even if a third request to extend time is denied by the opposing attorney, the Judge will usually allow it. The federal judges here want to hear cases based on the facts, not technicalities.
I got a chill when reading "... while his two oldest daughters were watching out of an upstairs window." I can understand why you care so much after reading what you know about the Gosselin children and what you have experienced dealing with the family.
I just wonder what TFMJG is going to do when all that aggression the kids exhibit gets turned on her? And it will happen, probably sooner rather than later. Of course, she'll blame Jon and say it's because he's an absent father who never laid down the law to them. I think the poster upthread who said that the kids behave differently when they are with Jon is dead right. Didn't Jon say in one of the interviews that he has only a couple of rules and one of them was no hitting? He seems to walk that walk, too. TFMJG would proudly proclaim on the show that "we don't hit in our family" and then turn around and smack Jon. Great role model for the kids.
"The next day, the crew and sextuplets were out, but no Kate. The kids played in the ocean and fought for the attention of a young camera guy who patiently played a few dozen games of rock, paper, scissors. All were having fun until an argument over a granola bar led Alexis to spit on one of her brothers. "Alexis Faith!" the babysitter yelled, and the kids were soon assembled into a line to march back inside." ****** This first-hand observation, from Katy Hall, addressed some issues that are problematic and have been suspected of undermining the kids' social and emotional development (as a result of abdicating the role of parent to crew and sitters). 1. The kids constantly playing with adults 2. Inappropriate spitting on a sibling (by the girl who was kicked out of kindergarten) 3. Kate nowhere in sight to intervene immediately and consistently.
The sheeple (who have reading and listening comprehension problems) and the tabs are running wild with this "developmentally delayed" and "developmental disability" comment that they say that Jon made. That's not what he said, but it doesn't matter to them. It's like that old game we used to play, "Whisper Down the Lane." I wonder to what extent his words will be twisted when all of this is finished.
Polly, of Small Town Gosselins, had this to say about her first-hand experience observing the filming of Kate + 8 in a corn maze, one Fall day: " They never actually got to experience the corn maze, and they didn't get to hang out and enjoy the entire normal corn maze experience of roasting hotdogs or marshies, etc. There was no interaction with other children, and everything was strictly controllled by Kate"
Kate in the earlier days would call Jon at work and cry or ask him to come home early if the kids were acting up.I guess the only way she knew how to deal with squabbling kids was to beat them or make Jon do the dirty work. She had a few tales in her books about not knowing the kids were up and into mischief and then asked others to 'help her.'
The thought of Cara and Mady watching Jon being thrown out of his house in the rain just breaks my heart. She is a witch. And he's right, it is ironic. If she hadn't been such a bitch he never would have found her stuff. I hope he prints out the police report. I wonder if that's the number on the bottom of his post.
Sorry, but if it's not a biological / mental capability issue, then the blame is on the shoulders of the parents. They caused the undue stress and conditions these kids were exposed to... the producers were the tool of the parents and the children's issues are the products those tools made.
It was the job of both parents to make sure their children did grow up unaffected. There is some twisted logic here, especially since they all have so much more than others. Yet with all they have, they have nothing if their values are absent.
I don't remember ever seeing this asked or answered, but how does Jon feel about his kids attending a private school? Has he ever mentioned anything either way?
How can they be exceeding developmental milestones if they are a year behind in school? Shouldn't they skip a grade back to where they should be if that is the case?
Sorry, but if it's not a biological / mental capability issue, then the blame is on the shoulders of the parents. They caused the undue stress and conditions these kids were exposed to... the producers were the tool of the parents and the children's issues are the products those tools made.
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Usually, yes. Jon understands that when he said where did we go wrong? As in himself and Kate, and perhaps anyone else who had a hand in the decisions as to them. He also has said more than once that he will have to answer to his kids for what was done to them when they are older. I find this refreshing, someone actually showing an inclination to take some freaking responsibility for this here. If Kate did this too it sure as heck would go a long way. She is a joke to the average commentor. These aren't haters and sheeple. There are just drivebys sick of her stupid whining clogging their celebrity news. She is so done with the public it's almost embarrassing to watch her put herself out there over and over.
Yep, his interview with the dads was just before the lawsuit. I wouldn't put it past Kate to say if you don't do this or that I'm going to file a lawsuit. I bet anything he knew it was coming. I bet you're right, his comments that if you push me I just might snap was a fair warning. She chose to poke him anyway and this is the result. She never knows when to quit while she's ahead. Never.
prairiemary said... 157 TFW needs to buy her own T.V station, like Oprah has, can you just imagine her on it, all B.S., all of the time! _______
She can name it the "UMM" channel.
With a program line up of. 1. I hate Jon hour. 2. I hate Robert hour, 3. I can't cook hour. 4. Guess Steve's Job hour. 5. Look at My balloons hour,-(Milo would love that) 6. How to dress like a hooker hours-(Milo love this one 2)
My impression has always been that Jon knew a lawsuit was coming, hence the Dad's interview. Screw it, right? It's coming anyway, so bring it on and let the chips fall where they will. I still feel that Jon's been holding so, so much back. I know the sheeple think differently, but I think that deep down, he doesn't want it to go down like this. I think he's protecting a whole lot.
Whoa I can't believe I found this on the first try. I could have sworn even Kate admitted the kids were having problems and needed help and were about to see a therapist. This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
So, it's all fine and dandy for her to say they are struggling and need therapy?? But Jon can't say it? What the hell???
What a gigantic hypocrite. Hold the applause, this find was purely a stroke of good luck....hehehe.
Tucker that Dad's interview definitely had a feel of something ominous is lurking.
I'm virtually certain he knew. After all there can be lots of negotiations and threats of a lawsuit before it is ever filed. Most people are not surprised by a lawsuit. They may have even sent him a demand letter or other things of that nature. He knew and as you said that's when he said screw it I'm getting my say in first.
What's worse, Jon saying the kids had some problems now due to their life on TV ,or their private emotional laundry being aired by their mother on the show and also on twitter/website and in her book IJWYTK. ________________________________________
They're both pretty bad. Jon had to know Kate can't keep her mouth shut. Hapy, Jon? Did you get that all off your chest?
Gee, I could have sworn Jon said he wished Kate all the best. Happy now? Oh yeah, I think so. His children will one day be bursting with much more love for Jon than ever. And go looking for Robert Hoffman to thank him also. It's a long and winding road to the truth.
Jon must be awfully confused. He's been criticized for being a doormat and not standing up to Kate, not speaking out about her, why even accused of letting his children be abused and not intervening. Now when he finally stands up for himself and his children and tells the truth, he's accused of "hurting the children." How exactly this hurts the children is never explained or is explained in wildly speculative ways (such as, ten years from now they will somehow be able to find some interview from some tiny little cable network in the billions of hours of footage that has aired since), and it's never acknowledged that the children might both approve of his speaking out now and/or later and feel fine about it and even want it. So which is it, is staying quiet the best thing or is speaking out the best thing? Because we can't have it both ways. I'm going to go with speaking out, every time. No good ever came of staying quiet when bad things are happening.
Whether he intended this or not I agree 100% that what Jon is doing and saying now is turning the family into one big giant liability. If he intended it, he's a genius. Basically he is making them look like a lawsuit waiting to happen. A big chance no one wants to bank on. A balloon about to burst. Every time Kate responds to him she just makes the entire situation look even MORE volatile. There is no network that would touch this. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen. They're not going to go near kids who may have issues, they don't want to be next in line accused of messing them up. It's not worth the risk of bad PR. It's not worth the risk that Jon or others will run to the media and trash them. And since Kate is so hot to sue she's a bad idea herself.
If Jon intended this, I'm impressed. He is, in a very sly way, crushing any hope of them going on T.V. again, on the off chance there ever was one. Well done. I bet Kate doesn't see this yet, or get it. When she does oh the fireworks.
Even with all of my years breeding dogs, I made it a priority to always socialize them before they went to their families, so they would be great dogs to humans and other dogs. At times it would be a lot of extra work, but there was no way around it if I wanted them to be the best dogs possible. She is just so bloody lazy!
I don't know how twitter works, is it possible that TFW paid to have her story re-tweeted? There is the same wording on like 30 re-tweets, all one after each other. When I go to their twitter feeds, all they do is re-post tweets. Is it a way to trend articles?
It happens when there are Jon articles, but on a smaller scale, and with known gossip websites' twitter handles. TFW's story is being mostly retweeted by non-gossip-site-weird-twitter-accounts.
Glad it is out there: do We wish It were not true...of course
Are we surprised ? Absolutely not.
Have we always thought TFW was damaging the kids? Yes
She has 3 people who dignify her every choice. Problem is those 3 people are as screwed up as her.
Do we really truly believe those children have real choices in their everyday life with HER? No- kate is a dictator ..you have NO voice under her care. I don't care what she says
" For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent." ******** But see, Admin, that wasn't her fault. The kids had issues because Jon left. It's all his fault. It had nothing to do with reality television at all. (this was all said with tongue firmly in cheek).
In my sad experience with narcissists, they encourage fighting between their children as part of the manipulation and control issues of their personalities. Just as they are quick to scream, hit, and degrade to achieve their goals, they expect and understand others doing the same. ********************************************************** Oh for sure! My mother would pit one of us against the other all.the.time And you know what? If you're told over and over again that you're lazy, stupid, useless...whatever-you might just grow up to be those things. Might as well live up to those expectations, right? We have a sister who's life is a shamble, with men, money, kids etc....well guess who was the "black sheep" as a kid? Another sister was the golden child, but to this day she really hates that "mother" gave her privileges, was used as the example of how we were to behave. But you know what? She's a doormat to this day. We've all got issues!
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My narcissist aunt's kids are all a mess--except the golden child. He's actually a pretty good guy and didn't seem to become a narcissist himself. The other three were never as good as he was in their mom's eyes. One of them is an unmotivated doormat, as Vanessa said above. One is a druggie and motorcycle (style) chick and looks twenty years older than her age. The last is the worst deadbeat I have ever encountered. All of my narcissist's aunt's grandchildren (except one of the golden child's daughters) have been drop-outs, pregnant as teenagers, druggies, out of work, deeply in debt, etc. Now she has great-grandchildren, and the jury is still out on them, but sadly I am not too hopeful for many of them.
Ironically, my aunt told me I wasn't "strict" enough on my kids and that I should ORDER them to obey me. It wasn't my style. My kids are happy, emotionally sound (most of the time, lol) and well educated. Score one for teaching children how to think and react and problem-solve versus commanding they obey you like little robots.
Oh, and my cousins--the narcissist's kids--were hellions when they came to our house. They'd break our toys, bully us, fight, steal.... They don't really like each other much and rarely socialize with each other even now. I am always shocked when I see the two brothers or two sisters conversing.
Paula said... 167 They're both pretty bad. Jon had to know Kate can't keep her mouth shut. Hapy, Jon? Did you get that all off your chest?
I had faith in you. No more.
LOL....#moresheeplefunnies
May I respond? I'm not a 'sheeple' nor a hater. Hmmm...maybe I'm a 'fencer'. Not on either parents' side. I'm firmly on the children's side, that much I know. And my heart breaks for them.
...and poor Cousin Elissa....who experienced their wrath...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLIbpUW0W8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyZ51knMG9w
All due respect to the Gosselin kid. This is not your fault, but the adults in your life did not take the time to teach you how to get along with people. Thankfully, your dad is realizing this, and hopefully making steps to help all of you learn a better way to get along with other people your age.
Just because you can tease each other people, and likely feel power in your pack..doesnt mean that you should tease other people. Some day your "unit of 6" will separate as adults, and you should, but you may not have that power any longer, and find yourselves in situations where you might find yourself balking authority. I hope not, I truly hope not.
Hey Sheeple and Kate who have a problem with what Jon said, do you remember the MEDICAL ISSUES she said the 2 tups who were expelled? There was nothing wrong with her telling the world THAT!!!!!!!
“Every child whose parents are divorced will go through some negative behaviors,” Gosselin said, adding there were also “medical issues we dealt with” *** Does that mean they had something serious like tumors on the brain that affected their behavior? Or other pain issues that made them lash out? I don't think so. I think she has them medicated now for something on the order of ADD.
*** I still think she goes on tirades around or at the kids. Like "why would you want to go to or live with your dad? I am able to buy you lots of high end stuff. Your dad is too poor. I am trying to get us back on tv so I can BUY you more stuff and take expensive vacations. Your dad is too poor. If I had a new tv show I would be home more than he is because he is too busy with work because he is too poor. Why do you want to go to his house on Xmas day, you won't get as nice of gifts as I can give since he is so poor." On and on like that.
May I respond? I'm not a 'sheeple' nor a hater. Hmmm...maybe I'm a 'fencer'. Not on either parents' side. I'm firmly on the children's side, that much I know. And my heart breaks for them. *********** I've sat on the fence enough that my butt hurts!
Hey Sheeple and Kate who have a problem with what Jon said, do you remember the MEDICAL ISSUES she said the 2 tups who were expelled? There was nothing wrong with her telling the world THAT!!!!!!!
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It just boggles the mind trying to figure out why in the world she would put up that little ditty on her blog. Doesn't she remember all that she has said regarding the children? Would she deny saying it when she knows that it's all been recorded in words (and videos)? I just don't understand why she just didn't keep her mouth zipped. Yet again, she's proven what a hypocrite she is. She'll never learn.
And still, the sheeple lovefest goes on, with young Emily vouching for Kate and the kids...after what, holding some of the kids on her lap for all of a few minutes?
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 12m @Kateplusmy8 read your latest post. Couldnt agree more. You know I'll always vouch for those amazing kids! (And their amazing mom too!)
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 164 Whoa I can't believe I found this on the first try. I could have sworn even Kate admitted the kids were having problems and needed help and were about to see a therapist. This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
So, it's all fine and dandy for her to say they are struggling and need therapy?? But Jon can't say it? What the hell???
What a gigantic hypocrite. Hold the applause, this find was purely a stroke of good luck....hehehe. *******************************************************************************
Woah as TFMJG would say admin.
Read the quote again, especially the last few words. TFMJG made it clear that the kids' problems were due to the absence of a parent. That would have been Jon. HE was the one who messed up their perfect reality TV lives by standing up for himself, getting out and eventually rescuing his children from that life.
Classic example of Katespeak. Any problems the kids had were Jon's fault. Still are really.
Seems like I remember people going on about how she talked about her kids in the book she wrote, "I Just Want You To Know." Seems folks said she wrote a lot of private things about some or all of the kids that she should not have said. Am I remembering right?
I am a twin, and let me tell you, we multiples can be a real hand full. I am horrified when I realize what brats we were when we were little. We were bullies and show offs, and much of it because we fed off each other. Multiples are very different. We just are. I remember Mother dressing us alike until we were old enough to buy our own clothes. People always stopped to comment about us, and I remember them asking Mother if we fought. She always said "No, they are such good kids," and we were plain awful. Open your eyes, Kate. Your kids are in trouble.
OT- What are we doing for 11/12/13? Joy? Anyone? :) ____________________________
Hey Rhymes. Why don't we start a pool on how long it takes Kate to tweet that it is a super, extra-special, exponentially amazingish day because - wait for it - the numbers 11-12-13 add up to 9, to represent her and her 8 kids!
Seems folks said she wrote a lot of private things about some or all of the kids that she should not have said.
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I still feel that way. Number one, she wrote very specifically about which kids had which problems. She named names. And number two, there was no good purpose behind what she said other than to exploit them, elicit sympathy and sell books exploiting the divorce. The purpose behind Jon speaking out was to explain the dangers of reality T.V., rebut Kate when she puts out there propaganda that reality T.V. is good for them, and possibly to try to get through to Kate in the only way he has left. He has no book or anything else to sell like Kate is usually doing when she exposes them, and no other ulterior motives.
(Leslie) Admin. posted: This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
And remember during this time in January 2010, when Kate admitted they were all really struggling with the absence of a parent, what does Kate do? She signs up for DWTS and that required her to be gone for many days at a time for many months. That is disgusting. At the time when her kids needed her the most, she did DWTS that caused her to practice 5 to 6 hours a day and fly literally across the country for several days every week.
It is no coincidence, that it was that Sept. that the 2 kids were expelled. Shame on her. And she did not need the money at that time. So please don't say she had to do it to support her kids. Kate Plus 8 started that June and she earned $250,000 per episode for it. And it was during that time that Jon was required by his divorce decree to pay $20,000 plus every month in support. That money was put aside from his divorce where he couldn't touch it and it was paid directly to Kate. And TLC was even heavily promoting Twist of Kate that they were giving her. She and had a book coming out at the time too for income.
Kate went on all the talk shows saying she had to do DWTS for income to support her kids during that time. That is a disgusting lie that her kids will put together one day. She did it for fame and fortune and that is a fact. When Kate herself admitted in People that her kids were really struggling she lied to them and the world she needed to be gone to support her kids. Remember the calendar that Admin. did doing this time that proved that Kate was barely at home for several months. And for Kate to say that everything she does is for her kids. Bullshit! DWTS was for her fame and fortune while her kids really struggled with different nannies and therapists.
I just wish that tweet that Kate did about how it worked best for her family for her to be gone a week and home a week. She was parenting 50% of the time and stating it was best for her family. That tweet alone should have been blasted across all magazines demonstrating what a crap ass Mother she really was/is.
I'm a total fencer. I'm not so sure Jon made such a great choice to talk about the kids the way he did. Sure, it gets out the message of reality show danger for children but I'm not quite convinced they G8 had to be the poster children for it.
I do hope he discussed this with them before hand. If he didn't, Kate will be sure to use this against him in the relationships he has with them.
Kate had no problem, with Jon by her side, to make the one episode all about discipline and what each them needed to be disciplined for, who sat in time out more, etc,etc.
That episode is out there for her kids to watch, and hopefully some day when her kids grow up, they may see their mother's latest interviews ( books, episodes) and wonder why she such hurtful statements about them.
I want to be able to point them to this blog so that they know that we all publicly set the record 100% straight, for their sake, that we were all totally against kids being filmed for reality TV and they had all of us in their corner.
Also, this is a classic example of Kate feeling it is okay for her to exploit and trash her kids, but no one else better dare exploit and trash her kids ( BTW, I do not think JOn is trashing his kids in that interview) ....
....especially if they are getting TV time or being paid for it.
These kids may get along great with adults, and be a delight, but there is film clip after film clip out there showing that amongst themselves, or with other people close to their own age they really stuggle with getting along.
Kate facade is starting to crack.........under this pressure it might be hard for Kate to keep up her pretentious act!
OT: party time! On 11/12/13! What a great idea! Auntie Ann can come up with decorations with her stash of glitter! Does anyone have a bedazzler? Keeping with theme of left over holiday stuff to save money, everyone can bring left over whatever. The party should have a theme, favorite mathematicians maybe. That's the ticket! We will have a soiree and be visited by famous mathematicians throughout history. I am positively giddy, Virginia has a new governor and the calls from the NRA, senator Tim Kaine, representative Eric Cantor, mike Huckabee, folks representing whatever , all those robo calls will STOP! Tho Bill and Hillary never called me! The president never called me either, what am I doing wrong? I'm also giddy because I downloaded Plants vs.Zombies 2 today! Fun game! Ok, party day and into evening of 11/12/13. I will get guest list together. Everyone get out your fanciest muumuus, polish up your dressy crocs, and find some leftovers to bring! Whoever had the oldest thing will win! I will get busy defrosting a turkey I think I bought right after last Thanksgiving. You can also bring virtual date in case you don't want to talk to ancient mathematicians. Yes, the election is over!!!!!
(Leslie) Admin. posted: This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
And remember during this time in January 2010, when Kate admitted they were all really struggling with the absence of a parent, what does Kate do? She signs up for DWTS and that required her to be gone for many days at a time for many months.
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I hope Tuma reads this blog. There is a wealth of real history here.
Thanks Admin, for sticking with it through thick and thin.
1) I see she has corrected all of the font sizes. Thank you Kate!
2) perhaps Jon finds it very heart breaking to hear you tell joe public about the girls bra shopping ordeal, or how Joel may fool a girl into liking him and then she will discover he is clueless, and all the other hurtful things you have said about your children .
3)Hmmm Kate...you say Jon is making Value judgements. It is good for us as parents to do a check of our children's values and how they are developing. There seems to be 2 sets of values important to each of you as parents...
Kates Values: Worldly values include wealth, power, pleasure, revenge, fame, vanity and status. These are the most important things to people who perceive no power or purpose beyond themselves. Worldly values promote jealousies, resentments and conflicts among people. (Source - http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_ChristianValues.htm)
Jon's values: kindness and respect for all people instead of power; humility instead of status; honesty and generosity instead of wealth; self-control instead of self-indulgence; forgiveness instead of revenge. ( Source- http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_ChristianValues.htm)
I kind of like that Jon has made a public statement about what values he deems important in his children and how developmentally they are lacking and he wants to do right by them and work on developing these important values!
4) Limited Visits: every second weekend and every tuesday seems pretty regular to me and considering he does not have a not a nanny , he likely spends more undivided attention with those kids during that time then you appear to spend with them all month. Looking at the amount of time you spend twittering and away doing " work, pampering, shopping, etc)
5) Jon did not speak negatively. There was nothing said that told his kids he didnt love them. When they grow up and listen to that interview, my hunch is they are going to thank their dad for realizing that changes needed to be made.
6)Speak on their behalf??? Uhh no, you are not speaking on their behalf. You are being a parental alienator!
7) Jon may have used the wrong word when he said developmental. But like your sheeple, you are looking at words individully and not hearing the message. Jon is making, like you said, a value statement. he wants his kids to have certain values, and he doesnt feel that filming helped to instill those values!!
8)Uhh, Jon is family too, and like any normal family, he too has a right to monitor their development. You can moniter what is developing normally, and he can monitor those things he would like to see changed :)
9) I never heard Jon say he wanted each of his children to be a carbon copy of each other....
10) You say that anyone who has personally met your children all say: they are the most normal, pleasant, polite, loving and well adjusted children they have ever met. Most even go on to say that they are a “a delight” to be around.
UHHH Kate, thems big people's words! Jon said the kids were used to only talking to adults. What about kids their ages, what do they say?? I know what I have seen kids say from the realist reality TV show out there. remember Clay? and Elissa?
11) If you knew you were going to risk unwanted public and private frenzy, why make the post. You could write your kids a letter, date it, and seal it, and when they asked about it, you could have handed them the letter. You could have, if you wanted to ...
... but Kate, we know...you truly do want the public and private frenzy!
I did not see Jon's interview and have only heard what he had to say from reading hear and other sources. I have mixed feelings, because I still think that whatever is going on with the kids should kept private by BOTH their mother and their father.
However, Kate has been the one talking about her kids, both good and bad over the years while Jon has remained silent. Perhaps, he felt that he needed to tell his side compared to what Kate has said. I still think they are both wrong for discussing anything about the kids' emotional well-being.
For the sheeple and Kate who are all upset about what Jon had to say, remember that just a month ago Kate wrote this about her twin daughters on their birthday:
"When these difficult moments arise, I am striving to love them and be patient with them as they grow and work through this timeframe. “They can’t help it” comes to mind often and when I need extra reminders, I glance at the gummy toothless (and drooly) smiles in the baby photos I have nearby to remind me of the who is inside of that somewhat “unloveable” person displayed in front of me."
Yes, teenagers can cause you to tear your hair out at times, but to say that you have to strive to love them or find them unlovable is just as bad as saying that they have developmental or emotional issues.
Kate, in her response to Jon's interview says "These opinions are, in reality, value judgements made about our children". Isn't that what she is doing also when it comes to the twins--judging them because they became teenagers and lumping them into a pre-conceived notion of how teenagers are expected to act. Saying she has to "strive to love them"? How is that not being judgmental? Yet not one of her fans thought that it was wrong on her part to make a statement like that. How will Cara and Mady feel when they read that?
As a parent and a grandparent, I may not have always liked my children or grandchildren, but I never had to "strive to love them". I've been known to say "There may be times that I don't like you or what you do, but just remember, I will always love you". Love was always unconditional-like at times was trying.
I am not defending what Jon had to say, I just don't think it was any worse than what their own mother has said. And I do firmly believe that where their children are concerned they should both just STFU. If they want to go tit for tat, leave the children out of it.
Unfortunately, both Kate and Jon feel that it's okay to use their children as pawns in their battles. Unfortunately, it is the children who are the ones that lose.
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OMG...Jon is trending #2 on Yahoo....Oh sweet justice. Watch for it, watch for it....Kates head blowing up!
Two wrongs don't make it right.
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I happen to believe there was no wrong in talking about the dangers of kids on reality T.V. in such a general and nonspecific manner. For all we know he's already discussed with his children his desire to share about them and for all we know they are perfectly fine with it. Kate never said the kids themselves were upset. Oh well.
I also agree that Jon probably has tried to tell Kate all his concerns. If her attitude is anything like her blog post, I imagine he's been met mostly with her fingers in her ears and "la-la-la-la I can't HEAR YOU!" How infuriating that must be when you have real concerns about your kids. Perhaps he's trying to reach out to her in the only way he has left.
I also agree that family law court probably wouldn't do much here but tell them to work it out. Family law court will get involved in some things, but not a he said she said over whether the kids have bad morals. You're allowed to raise your child with bad morals in America and you're even allowed to spoil them rotten and there's nothing the other parent can do about it other than making a wiser choice when choosing who will be the mother of their children. Jon would have to come to them with the kids being kicked out of school again and I think Kate has wised up and is smart enough to make sure it doesn't get to that point again.
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There was no harm done in red-shirting them. Much better for them to be kept together than for some to be ahead of others in another grade.
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Not sure how I feel, but that's an opinion, not a fact. There may be tremendous harm done, perhaps in the future, by holding back brighter kids. If you've ever seen a bright kid bored and frustrated because he's in the wrong grade, you would understand the harm. There may be tremendous harm done by making these children stay in a pack no matter what, because of the pack mentality they have fostered. It's really open for debate. I also agree with Vanessa that we don't know whether they may have all been perfectly ready for kindergarten sooner had they stopped filming and focused more on their preparation. This was when filming was really at full steam ahead. From the sound of Kate's journals it was an absolute whirlwind. How you would prepare any little child for kindergarten during all that is beyond me.
Pam Anderson-- yup, that's what you look like after a marathon. No makeup, no last minute lipstick for your close up. Just exhaustion and pain, not back in high heels the next day.
Love Pam's pixie and frankly, her less ample chest.
And Pam has a nice sense of humor, I love the tweeted picture of her covered in ice packs sprawled out on her bed. She understands how to use twitter and what would be fun and amusing to see pics of.
The first time I saw Pam in person she was running up a big hill. She has been running for YEARS as her workout. She was hands down the most-seen celeb in the area, there was no one who hadn't seen her, because she was always either running out in public (instead of going to some posh overpriced celebrity trainer in Beverly Hills), or out with her kids at school or at their sports and other activities, or doing regular things around town like grocery shopping or getting ice-cream. She is a legit runner. And frankly just a legit person. I'm glad that's coming through about her after this marathon.
When I said Robert had wrote some things that kate told the babysitter, and I put that she needed to be arrested. It sounded like Robert said that. No, I said it, she needs to be arrested. I kinda counted all the links about kate there is about 500 of them!
What a mess!
I have to say this approach of ‘responding’ to Jon’s interview is something new. I don’t recall her ever writing a blog about something he said. I
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I'm trying to remember myself. I know she's responded to other shitstorms (geez how many shitstorms can one woman have? Surely she's reached her limit) but I don't think it's ever been directly to Jon or if it has it's been a long while.
This new Jon who is bursting her bubble and pulling back the curtain must be sending her into a frenzy. I bet she can't believe this is actually happening. There's a lot of dirt he knows and she must be panicking thinking what he will disclose next. Her only play is to call him a liar and slam his custodial time which no one but her six sheeple believe at this point so not sure who she's trying to kid. It's kind of interesting to watch her reactions, they are clearly massively overcompensating.
@Virginia Pen Mom,
I appreciate your thanks, although not happy that this continues for you. You have bigger shoulders than me! Until you've actually had experience with this type of person, you really truly cannot empathize. You see? Your aunt is STILL calling the shots. So glad you stand up to her!They DO need to be shot down and made shut up.
One question, are any other of your mother's siblings the same?
Jon is telling the truth about the kids as others have mentioned- we have seen the behavior on CWS and Katie Couric.The boys and Cara are skulking around in the shadows, expressionless, and the other kids are rude, argumentative, violent and snooty. Some of the tups did have problems at some points in their lives- the two expelled, Alexis delayed in walking, a couple with breathing difficulties ,slower speech development, It seemed one of the boys was showing possible signs of ADHD or OCD the way he acted on TV with his compulsive lining up toys and collecting things. Who knows. They were held back form Kindergarten. All the kids are definitely emotionally affected by the show and by the mother the have and the results of what Robert's book reveals.
And what is worse- mentioning vague difficulties the children have or selling their privacy through her book IJWYTK and on Twitter?
I have to say this approach of ‘responding’ to Jon’s interview is something new. I don’t recall her ever writing a blog about something he said.
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TFW was pretty quiet between Jon's interview and her blog post. I have no doubt that she and her publicist spet hours on the phone, trying desperately to find a media outlet that would let her come on and rebut what he said. In the end, all she was able to do was put up a post on her web site. No talk shows, nobody to see her crocodile tears. That's gotta hurt.
Oh I agree Layla. I bet the farm, plowed driveway or not, that she was working the phones and email all day yesterday trying to get a public forum to "respond" to this. No takers, so she resorted to a blog post. Poor thing. She doesn't seem to understand that media appearances have to have some hook, almost always that's a project like a show, movie or book. Few people can score media interviews just to blah blah about someone they hate, without anything more. Here's a thought, she could get a real job like nursing. Then she could do a whole media tour talking about how she's working a real job. I bet anything she could score a few couches that way.
Few people can score media interviews just to blah blah about someone they hate, without anything more.
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Guess she should have held off on her book tour! That could have been the "hook" she needed to spew her shit. Guess if she spoke to him or had any kind of relationship with THE FATHER OF HER CHILDREN, she would have known ahead of time Jon was doing OWN. She found out like all of us mediocres ha ha!
I love the poetic justice in TFW not getting a TV interview to counteract Jon's OWN appearance. Let's hope it stays that way and she can continue to seethe. I just hope the kids realize sooner rather than later that mommy isn't all there and that they're better off with Jon. Is he a perfect parent? No, but he will give them the tools they need to survive in the real world.
Layla said... 12
TFW was pretty quiet between Jon's interview and her blog post. I have no doubt that she and her publicist spet hours on the phone, trying desperately to find a media outlet that would let her come on and rebut what he said.
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Can't you just see her stomping around screaming into her pink iphone?!?!
I WANT OPRAH'S PERSONAL CELL PHONE NUMBER NOW! DO YOU HEAR ME?! NOW!
Cue Chris the pap ....
When Katie Couric visited TFW for her interview, she asked some of the kids directly, "do you fight a lot?", their response was "yes". Then, there were a few clips of them pushing one another etc. before she asked Kate how she handles that. TFW started to say, "I don't......(as in I don't get involved), but stopped short and said "I tell them to work it out, because that's life". Now, there is an example of some stellar parenting!
I have never seen her offer guidance or nurture her children, I see what she thinks if good time-management of them, impatiently moving them through situations, not teaching the lessons, but giving them rules instead. I think of their poor dog Shoka as an example. He appears to be just another chore on their long list of chores, apart and distant from them. There is a huge emotional void in Kate's household and Jon knows this and expressed his concerns publicly.
Now, what will the blowback look like? Will it end with Kate's blog-post, or will she parlay this into a TODAY show appearance? We'll see.
Good lord, TFW's timeline is mostly tweets from ppl who never saw the Oprah interview and are just responding to her stupid blog with many from fans out of the country who're just now seeing the end of K+8. SMH at the ignorance of the fans.
Can't decide if I should laugh or be disgusted at the desperation of TFW's new tweet to those who haven't yet read her blog to take a look if they're interested. LOL
And that's a narcissist for you. She's stuck on the "developmentally" thing. Out of everything he said, that they don't get along, they don't speak, they don't parent together THAT WORD is what she's put her laser beam on. If she addresses the other issues, she has to admit that SHE is the one cutting him out of their lives. That she DOESN'T have the kids' best interest. DEFLECTION: it's in their DNA. Logically we all see that she's just painted herself in a corner, but in her mind she's focus on something trivial and go with it.
Tucker's Mom said... 15
This is from Robert's blog:
We know who the online Kate critics are thanks to the helpful hackers of the world, but I wonder if Kate Gosselin or any of the people closest to her have ever posted comments on her behalf on blogs or on Twitter, under an assumed name?
Who knows? I personally don't care. But I think we're going to find out soon. Fair is fair, yes?
#TickTock?
Any guesses what this means??
Tucker: This is exactly what I meant when I said she could not have that many consistent Tweeties. I have suspected this for years and am looking forward to find out if I was right or sadly wrong. If the later is the case, I may require tequila. How could any stranger(s) consistently and blindly fight for her? It doesn't make sense to me, and in my world if it doesn't make sense, it's not true.
I just watched Jon's interview. Keep on killing her with kindness Jon - you're on a roll!
Unfortunately just working it out won't fly in the real world. In the real world if you push someone or are otherwise violent, that person may very well either beat you up, or call the cops and have you arrested. Their physical response to conflicts should have been addressed ages ago when they were toddlers. It is beyond ridiculous for 10 year olds and 13 year olds to be physical with each other, beyond playful wrestling. This was violence and anger and is completely inappropriate and if this is even half of what Jon sees when they are with him then he is 100% right about them.
Good comment from gotyournumber yesterday that bears repeating, about how Kate was on top of the world 3 years ago and today I think she really can't grasp that her ship has sailed. She's still living as if she's still master and commander, and I bet she can't understand why things aren't going her way, she must be baffled by it:
"I watched the Q&A video and noticed Kate was on a huge high. She was cocky and very confident. Nothing could bring her down at that point. Her plan had worked out perfectly. She got rid of that pesky Jon who didn't want to film any longer and now had her own show. They were just coming down from a 9 million viewer birthday/separation show and TLC kissing her ass. She could get them to send her practically anywhere in the world she wanted to go even Australia and New Zealand. Jon was acting like a horny teenager and she had the sympathy of the public. TLC was suing Jon and she had their might lawyers backing her. She thought at the time of this interview all of this would never end. She thought she was indispensable. How wrong she was."
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 1h
If you haven't read my current thoughts, and want to, they are posted here:
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/
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She is double-dog desperate for someone in the media to pick up her response.
I think she's more than half way down that ladder she climbed and her ass is starting to hit every rung on the way down. Katie's gonna have a boo boo on her bum.
Well the morning media rush is over and not a single taker picked up her blog post. According to google news, all 37 articles from the past few days are about Jon's concerns about the children's social problems. There is only ONE article about Kate, and it's from celebrity dirty laundry and is about how they think Kate overshares on twitter about the children. They name several celebrities who don't even name their children let alone dream of talking about them on twitter.
It's Jon's turn now, Kate. You get what you get and you don't get upset.
I didn't watch the interview since we don't get OWN. I did see the snippet of it on Oprah's website.
Based on what I've read here in the comments about the children and their developement, I have to say that even when I was watching the show I noted how poorly behaved the Gosselin children were. I have never seen children just haul off and hit each other they way they did. I always found that behavior disturbing. I just never grew up in that kind of enviroment so it was startling to watch.
Even my nieces and nephews were better behaved than the Gosselin kids when they were growing up (and they were pretty wild) but if any one of them hit one of their siblings, there would be h*lll to pay from their parents. They would nip that hitting stuff right in the bud, so my nieces and nephews didn't hit (they yelled, cried and whined but never hit each other).
And I agree with many on here, that Kate never did anything about curbing the agressive behavior in her children, toward each other. She just simply looked away or was too busy doing something for herself to be bothered. I can remember one episode when she gave the Tups lunch on plastic bendches outside and one of the boys pushed one of the girls right off her seat. Kate's reaction was to yell "Hug!!" and walk away. That was all she did. She did not address the behavior or even explain why that kind of behavior is wrong.
Oh Kate will get her say on Radar and someone will comment about it on Gather. There was already something on The Stir (sorry, but I think that is the dumbest name for a website. Just my opinion.).
Give it a day or two and she and her comment will pop up somewhere.
It probably will pop up in a few articles but I doubt she will hit the 37 articles Jon got. The heyday when she would squeak and the media would plaster it all over the news has come and gone. She's probably pacing right now going google searches unable to believe no one has picked this up. So she tweeted it again you know in case maybe they missed it? LOL.
And yes the hitting and violence and bad behavior has been startling for years and her look the other way I don't see nothin' attitude is even more disturbing. Exactly when will the kids not be allowed to hit? Exactly when will she put her foot down? Because they're pushing a certain age and if you're still being that aggressive at that age, there's going to be some serious consequences on the table, from school and perhaps more. I would implore her to deal with it now not later.
Speaking from experience, children that have behavioural issues do need continued therapy. And the earlier the better. My son, who is now 7, developed major anxiety issues over the past year. Nothing is more heartbreaking than seeing your child absolutely terrified to go to school.
Behavioural therapy teaches the child how to deal with their emotions - when kids don't know how to have an outlet for their frustrations, they resort to what they know: lash out physically, cry, whine, or withdraw.
But to my point - the biggest part of changing a child's behaviour, comes from the parents. When we put our son in therapy last year, we had to attend specialized therapy sessions as well. And we still do. You can't help your child if you don't take an active role in understanding their issues.
I couldn't imagine telling my then 6 year old - deal with it yourself, while I tell everyone about our perfect family.
I just really feel for all those kids, and what they must be going through. Frankly, the entire family needs professional help.
Alberta yes agree.
It's almost like she read a magazine article about letting kids work it out but has taken it to such an absurd degree that the purpose of that technique has been completely defeated.
Working it out is great but kids need the tools and skills to be able to work things out FIRST, and that comes from their adult role models. You can't just say go work it out without ever teaching them the tools of conflict resolution. And if in working it out things are getting out of hand, like violence comes into play, that's your job as the adult to intervene.
The working it out mantra was NEVER intended to let children become out of control like Lord of the Flies. It was simply intended to try to curtail helicopter parents who were intervening in every single little squabble no matter how small, even over a paper clip. Those kids were never able to practice their conflict resolution skills because of the hover mothers. Since Kate is not a hover mother and never was, that directive to just let the poor kids work things out on their own once in awhile was NEVER intended to be talking to her. Like anything in parenting, it's usually a balance. One extreme or the other isn't good.
Looks like Jon talked to Hollywood Life:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/11/05/jon-gosselin-reality-tv-gave-kids-problems-developmentally/
Re: TWF's blog post
Methinks she doth protest too much.
Now, what will the blowback look like? Will it end with Kate's blog-post, or will she parlay this into a TODAY show appearance? We'll see.
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Oh, geez. If she's going to do the set-the-record-straight tour, will she have to drag the kids with her? You know, put them on display just to prove that they are practically perfect in every way?
Is it possible that the kids show aggressive behavior (hitting, etc) at Kate's because she doesn't do anything about it. But at Jon's place the kids are made to toe the line. Meaning bad behavior is not tolerated and consequences happen immediately.
This idea would go along with the concern Kate always has about all 8 going in public because the public what cause problems. Yet the reports the locals have given in this blog was no panic ensued when Jon took the kids somewhere. I actually think Kate is concerned that the kids poor behavior when they are with her would be exposed. And worse than that, she doesn't take care of the situation immediately while they are in public because she doesn't want to be exposed for her lack of parenting skills.
All my opinion, of course.
I agree Kate thought she was invincible and her Q+A showed that. She was so smug, tossing viewer's questions on the floor, putting her dirty feet up on that ottoman and revealing her machinations about being in movies and voice acting.
He gave a followup comment to Hollywood Life: “That’s reality, there’s no skating the truth,” Jon told HollywoodLife.com EXCLUSIVELY after his controversial claims in his interview. ”That’s what it is. They react differently to their peers.”
That's pretty much what I said yesterday. It's just reality. I even used that word. You may not like the truth or the messenger, but that certainly doesn't make the message untrue. At least someone is being honest in this mess. Kate must be seething he's even allowed a follow up comment and she still can't get a single taker on her blog post.
Hoosier, I think you called it "cue Chris the pap".
I've never considered buying, or reading, one of TFW's books: however since reading here, today, what's between the covers of IJWYTK, I'd gladly read here some snippets. The more the better to expose her. Someone did say they should be tweeted. Great idea. Maybe, just maybe, her patina will be scratched. Was reading a post on Daily Mail yesterday: they are ignorant of the reality of the situation over there. To shut her down the real coverage must be exponential.
Surely Jon would have anticipated her reaction: he knows her rotting interior. So he must have covered his rear with advice from his lawyer. I sure hope so.
I still think one of the biggest problems here even more than denial might just be a fundamental difference in perception.
What Kate truly in her heart and head might see as two kids working it out and it's good for them to working it out, a reasonable and rational person would see two kids clawing each other's eyes out in a very unhealthy, angry and vicious manner. A reasonable person, like Kendra, would be moved to tears. Meanwhile Kate feels pride at her ability to let the kids work it out and resolve things.
She might truly, deep down, not see what we see. So to her everything IS fine because she's just not seeing it. I'm not sure which is worse, denial or just not even understanding why such behavior is an issue.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 27
Working it out is great but kids need the tools and skills to be able to work things out FIRST, and that comes from their adult role models. You can't just say go work it out without ever teaching them the tools of conflict resolution.
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Kate doesn't have the tools for her own conflict management. We saw what was in her toolbox: ignore, scream, berate, hit
Slightly off topic, but fun, none the less.
http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwbooks/article/New-Cookbook-TLC-Kitchen-Launches-Today-Featuring-Family-Favorites-From-TLC-Stars-20131104
Not that I'd support anything that TLC does, but I'm betting the sales will be (cough) better.
PJ
Spitting is an aggressive form of several different situations: anger, defensive, copying other child’s behavior or problem solving according to child development psychology. It means the child is reacting to stress, not having the ability to solve a problem/defending themselves in the heat of the moment, or acting out in anger due to not being a good problem solver. That sounds pretty extreme. Especially for a nearly 10-year-old child. But what in the world caused Hannah to spit on her sibling? I think it was Leah she spit on.
Since she has infantilized them for way too long, I am wondering if that is one reason they seem not to have cognitive thinking—Alexis saying something about the fallen branches; that’s something a toddler would say. It makes NO SENSE for a nearly 10-year-old child to say that. It’s embarrassing, actually.
It was A VERY BAD IDEA to have Katie Couric film the children for the benefit of creating a Kate Gosselin episode.
Suzy
It's almost like she read a magazine article about letting kids work it out but has taken it to such an absurd degree that the purpose of that technique has been completely defeated.
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Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2h
If you haven't read my current thoughts, and want to, they are posted here:
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/
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Wow, that's really pretty desperate. There was a time that Kate's blog missive would have been plastered everywhere by now, including the men's room at a Barbra Streisand concert.
Insert Creative Username Here said... 28
Looks like Jon talked to Hollywood Life:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/11/05/jon-gosselin-reality-tv-gave-kids-problems-developmentally/
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Excellent follow-up to his OWN interview.
I see Kate is desperate, that everyone read her statement, she has posted twice in 7 hours that people should go to her site & read her rebuttal. What the matter Kate, did Jon hit the truth nerve. Or is this her anger showing , cause she should have been the poor single mom being interviewed on TV, not Jon on OWN & the View. BOOHOO Kate!
and her look the other way I don't see nothin' attitude is even more disturbing
And she thinks it's sooo cute when she does that.
It made me even more disgusted that Katie Couric went along with it. Drinking their *big* glasses of wine, saying to each other, 'I don't hear anything' and then smirking.
It's beyond me why Katie Couric would think that was 'cute'. They're both too old for 'cute'.
It wasn't cute, funny, or amusing. It was poor parenting. Why encourage it? Why would Katie want to be a part of poor parenting??
And yes the hitting and violence and bad behavior has been startling for years and her look the other way I don't see nothin' attitude is even more disturbing. Exactly when will the kids not be allowed to hit? Exactly when will she put her foot down? Because they're pushing a certain age and if you're still being that aggressive at that age, there's going to be some serious consequences on the table, from school and perhaps more. I would implore her to deal with it now not later.
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Don`t kid yourselves. SHE is allowed to hit. When there is chaos-kids fighting, hitting-she may let them resolve it "on their own" until SHE finally loses a gasket. Some people here think she's stopped physically abusing them? In MY experience with a narcissistic mother, it won't stop until they are teens ALL OF THEM.
But to my point - the biggest part of changing a child's behaviour, comes from the parents. When we put our son in therapy last year, we had to attend specialized therapy sessions as well. And we still do. You can't help your child if you don't take an active role in understanding their issues.
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I'm so glad your son was given help and has responded!
I wonder if it's not unusual for families of HOM's to get regular therapy for tools to deal with such a challenging situation that last for long, long time and is very fluid.
No one could possibly be blessed with ALL the tools to deal with that.
Re: TWF's blog post
Methinks she doth protest too much.
I always think that when she so energetically says 'Steve and me? Pshaw! No way!' and dismissively waves the question away.
I can remember one episode when she gave the Tups lunch on plastic bendches outside and one of the boys pushed one of the girls right off her seat. Kate's reaction was to yell "Hug!!" and walk away. That was all she did.
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And don't forget, that was for the cameras. She thought it would make "good tv" that's all.
There was an episode where Kate was sitting at the table alone eating her salad, or to be more precise, shoveling lettuce into her piehole while talking to the camera, when two or three of the sextuplets came to her in tears, screaming at one another about something and Kate just stopped them in the middle and said no fighting or ...and then threatened to withhold something from them. Anyway, my point is the kids desperately needed her to intervene to help settle their argument and she just waved them off. I felt sorry for them because she refused to listen. Okay, sometimes they can work it out among themselves, but there are certainly times a parent does have to take the reins and explain why so and so should have this, and what is fair and what isn't ...etc.
Kate won't do that. She has the mentality of a tweenie herself so she doesn't know how to manage a discussion with maturity. It is also too much work. She's a lazy parent and if Jon is pointing out some of the signs that all is not perfect with his children, maybe it's time she shut up and listen for a change instead of opposing him. You know, work it out WITH Jon, like she tells her kids to do with each other.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 30
Oh, geez. If she's going to do the set-the-record-straight tour, will she have to drag the kids with her? You know, put them on display just to prove that they are practically perfect in every way?
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Don't give her any ideas! I can see it now, Mady tearfully telling the cameras that Jon is hurting their mother and won't he just leave them alone. And by-the-way she's a great actress and Disney should give her a call. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
Blegh. I hope that NEVER happens but I wouldn't put it past TFW to cross that line.
I have to say that I am surprised that Kate did not get on The View for her "book tour". Even more surprising is that Kathy Griffin is on today and OMG, she and Barbara couldn't be more BFFs!
My, how things have changed.
BTW... Brad Garrett is co-hosting for a couple days and he's too funny.
(not even a mention on Hot Topics (I think withdrawlgate made them look foolish, so they might be a bit gun shy about going down that hysteria-fueled rabbit hole again))
Virginia Pen Mom, my sincere sympathy for having to deal with your aunt. your mother is fortunate to have you advocating for her. brings back memories of my mother and her sisters arguments. We had more than one ” challenging” relative. Families! Gotta love 'em! Either that or move far, far away.
Looks like Jon talked to Hollywood Life:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/11/05/jon-gosselin-reality-tv-gave-kids-problems-developmentally/
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Oh boy, TFW won't like this. He clarifies that they don't make friends because they only want to talk to adults. Jeez, maybe because they were only surrounded by adults until school? Just what we always said..they had no friends over. Ever. He also talks about trying to rectify this by taking them out places and not isolating them (like you-know-who does). He specifies that there is nothing wrong with them, that it is the adults faults for not giving them the normal childhood experiences. I think we've all seen how one of the twins acts way beyond her age, almost to a snooty level.
So KK say's that the kids one day will see Jon's interviews that he had done.
I hope she knows that door swings both ways and she has way more explaining to do. She has said horrible things over the past years also exposing her kids secrets.
How will she explain all of her horrible interviews to her children?
From Hollywood Life:
“They’ve always had a problem making friends with their peers. I’ve noticed in observation since they started school, TV has affected them,” Jon explained to HollywoodLife, as was reported on VH1′s Gossip Table. “They only want to talk to adults. Developmentally something is missing.
This is what we've suspected. "Daddies" and glomming onto crew members is not normal. They are not family. This is their job. They leave and go home to their own family and their own children at the end of the day.
The G kids stay on the "set". It never stops at the end of the day when it turns off and real life begins.
I'm glad Jon is responding so quickly. This isn't a contest. No one loves the kids more than the other. It's an honest account of a real concern.
I mean, come on, did ANY of us have only the kids over to our home or for our birthday whose parents agreed to sign confidentiality agreements?
This is NOT normal.
“I don’t have nannies or anything like that, so when they’re with me I integrate them into society and the rest of the world,” Jon told HollywoodLife.com about his efforts to give his kids normalcy. “If I need to go grocery shopping, they’re coming with me."
Go for it Jon! Why hasn't anyone ever asked TFW, if she does it all alone, why and how she was always spotted shopping BY.HERSELF, except maybe with the twins?
Of course Kate's not going to blame TV-(the hand that feeds her) and why should she.
#shameless
And Jackass Milo can't have her cake and eat it too...the twins can't have "Seen Jon for What He Is" AND be happy and well adjusted. Tweens/teens don't go from having the relationship we saw them have with their father, to their" realizing" he is a jerk but being perfectly fine about never seeing him and not having the father they "thought" they had. I know this from first hand experience. My teen went through a lot of turmoil as her dad's actualy jerkiness became apparent to her. Interestingly enough, guess who she took her anger out on? Me. Because she feels safe with my love. She knows that even though she called me vile names (and got grounded), my love for her was still there (no, she didn't become "unloveable"). But she is an angel around her dad because she is not secure in her love for him. She honestly feels that if she doesn't please him, which she never quite feels she does, he will reject her.
Someone with a twitter please please tweet this clip to Milo and dare her to watch at 4:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc3edkX5kc0
TFW is very quiet right now...anyone think she's up to something?
OT: because same old TFMJG is boring in her oh so predictable response to Jon being on TV. If she ever responded nicely, THAT would be newsworthy!
Last night on DWTS was Cher night with the diva herself add the guest judge and she did great and dancers did great and you can watch it at ABC.com.
All the news today cares about is who will win as governor in NJ, Christie of course, and in Virginia, and who will be mayor of NYC. No national headlines for a long divorced couple where the wife was the abuser and all the men who watched could not understand why Jon stayed as long as he did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag
TWF even says right after the kids are horrible to Clay, "The kids just love each other so much and they're so comfortable together."
Exactly what is going on NOW. Jon is saying the kids have problems. TFW is saying look at the Emperor's beautiful clothes! The kids get along great with everyone!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 36s
@Kateplusmy8 We know U spend every wk filling the social agenda/routing the places of ur kids w/school activities & playdates w/friends!
How in the name of all that's holy does Milo know Kate's schedule? There;s a mental illness going on here. Is her family aware of this, and if so, don't they care? I just don't get it!
Now Goody is making stuff up again:
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 2m
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 I figured out why Jon said the kids have no manners-->>They didn't want to cozy up with his new girlfriend. Hello!
Although Jon and other may believe that reality television and fame is the cause of his children's delays in social development, it is far more likely that the primary cause was the physical abuse and neglect suffered as toddlers. Regardless of the show, these kids were already at very high risk for developmental delays.
Effects of Abuse and Neglect on Development:
http://www.dshs.wa.gov/ca/fosterparents/training/chidev/cd05a.htm
Cognitive:
The child may display thinking patterns that are typical of a younger child, including egocentric perspectives, lack of problem-solving ability, and inability to organize and structure thoughts.
Speech and language may be delayed or inappropriate.
The child may be unable to concentrate on school work, and may not be able to conform to the structure of a school setting. The child may not have developed basic problem-solving and may have considerable difficulty in academics.
Social:
The child may be suspicious and mistrustful of adults or overly solicitous, agreeable, and manipulative, and may not turn to adults for comfort and help when in need.
The child may talk in unrealistically glowing terms about her family; may exhibit "role reversal" and assume a "parenting" role with the parent.
The child may not respond to positive praise and attention or may excessively seek adult approval and attention.
The child may feel inferior, incapable, and unworthy around other children; may have difficulty making friends, feel overwhelmed by peer expectations for performance, may withdraw from social contact, and may be used as a scapegoat by peers.
Emotional:
The child may experience damage to self-esteem from denigrating or punitive messages from an abusive parent or lack of positive attention in a neglectful environment.
The child may behave impulsively, have frequent emotional outbursts, and be unable to delay gratification.
We'll Milo since TFW is so busy with the kids social calendars I'm sure the moms will be jumping to say so any minute now. I mean some of them must have a twitter right? I'm sure Johnny's mom will ce forward and talk about all the te Johnny spends with his best friend who is one of the Gosselins
In my sad experience with narcissists, they encourage fighting between their children as part of the manipulation and control issues of their personalities. Just as they are quick to scream, hit, and degrade to achieve their goals, they expect and understand others doing the same.
Then they elevate their behavior to control the out of control situation causing a unholy miasma of misery for all whom they interact. And when called on their behavior and the behavior they create will never understand and become very upset that you think they should change.
As I have said before, the only way to survive NPD is to run fast and far, and if you have to ever look back do it after therapy and then only briefly.
I do believe the kids act differently with Jon, who seems to have expectations of normalcy. If the school has expectations of non aggressive behavior and enforces those expectations, maybe they can reach adult more or less unscathed.
As for Kate; pftttt. Rot in hell.
We always knew the kids were incredibly isolated, and that TFW does not allow the tups to do extracurricular activities. From a young age, they learned that they cannot get too attached to others, because eventually everyone they cared about was banished from their lives by their mother. They are now isolated on the compound, not allowed activities that might put them in contact with other kids, not even allowed to sit by other kids on the school bus. Add to that the attitude that Gosselins are somehow better than everyone else. ("If you want to know how to do something, just ask the Gosselins") and you have a recipe for some very dysfunctional adults. I always wondered if TFW isolates the kids to make them more marketable--kind of like,"If people want to see my kids, then someone has to give me a show. Otherwise forget it".
Kate needs to get off her behind and start socializing those kids. Hopefully it's not too late. Looking at the way she's trying to shut out their father, she has no intention of letting any outsiders in. Remember her email to Hailey, saying she has to get her kids away from Jon? What will happen to them if she succeeds in cutting him off from their lives? What will the psychological effect be on the kids? They are learning to shut out and distrust everyone in the world except their mother and each other. And that is truly frightening. It's like she's trying to create her own little cult.
This may sound odd, but I think it might just be the best thing for the kids if TFW really doesn "lose it all". Sheeple claim that the non-fans want TFW to go broke and lose the house and have to put the kids in public schools. Wouldn't it be a good thing for the kids to live somewhere less isolated, where there are more kids around to interact with? Wouldn't it be better for them to go to the local public schools and have classmates there in the same neighborhood instead of an hour away in Lancaster? If the kids have socialization issues, then they need to be around kids. Maybe a neighborhood pool or playground, community picnics, etc. Of course, I can just picture TFW coming out the front door each morning, looking around at the neighboring families all piling into their mini-vans head off to school/work, and shrieking, "They're all congregating out here!".
My goodness, her Twitter is a war zone again today. LOL
Popcorn, anyone?
No ROL article yet? What's the matter with them???
Do you think this fan wants Kate to be a WEEKEND TV TALK SHOW HOST? lol!
peterrowland @peterrowland10
@Kateplusmy8 Kate I would love for you to come back to television and make a triumphant return and start a new career show
peterrowland @peterrowland10
@Kateplusmy8 hi kate i love you and support you please come back to tv and host your own weekend tv talk show on e network please
peterrowland @peterrowland10
@Kateplusmy8 hi kate i wan't you to be a weekend tv talk show host and host your own weekend tv talk show on e network
Ha Ha Ha Ha...".rotting interior".....good one.
peterrowland @peterrowland10 36m
@Kateplusmy8 hi kate i love you and support you please come back to tv and host your own weekend tv talk show on e network please
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LOL if it was up to Kate she would've done this like yesterday.
After reading the Hollywood Life article I really do see where Jon is coming from. Filming started in the tups formative years and they were never really around kids their own age. They were mostly around the crew and other adults. Whenever they went anywhere everything was closed down so that they didn't get to interact with other kids. TFW got upset because people were congregating and looking at them or taking unauthorized pictures and she let this be known to all. Never mind that they were probably looking because of the cameras. No they were looking because they were and are "The Gosselins" and are more special in every way than anyone else. They were given things and trips and constantly told how special they are. I can see this leading to feelings of entitlement and the Veruca Salt attitude of "don't care how I want it now" which TFW displays and has probably passed on to them
I remember the pool party issue where one of the boys said to another child (not an exact quote) "if you want something done right just ask the Gosselins". I'm not even sure what they were doing or looking at anymore. What struck me about the comment was the fact that they must have it drilled into their heads just how much better they are than anyone else.
So yeah, I can see where they probably do have problems relating to kids their own age and separating the I want it Vs I need it.
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And Pam has a nice sense of humor, I love the tweeted picture of her covered in ice packs sprawled out on her bed. She understands how to use twitter and what would be fun and amusing to see pics of.
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I think Pamela Anderson is a good example of how a celebrity can use their time on DWTS to give a wider audience a different view of them. Prior to seeing her on DWTS, I really didn't think much one way or the other about Pam Anderson, except that she had a recurring role on Tim Allen's tv show before breaking out with Baywatch. And then of course, her Tommy Lee phase and all that drama.
Getting to see her on DWTS, you could see a real fragility to her; a shyness mixed with a determination to do her best. I was left with a positive feeling rather than a negative one.
Kate had that same opportunity, and she was unable to handle it. I think that people who were only vaguely aware of her before came away with an overall negative viewpoint about her.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 20
Unfortunately just working it out won't fly in the real world. In the real world if you push someone or are otherwise violent, that person may very well either beat you up, or call the cops and have you arrested. Their physical response to conflicts should have been addressed ages ago when they were toddlers
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I agree, and I can only imagine the mixed messages these children got during their very young, formative years. Their mother ignoring them and leaving them to work it out, ala Lord of the Flies. Their somewhat immature though loving father, probably trying to break up the fights but probably constantly harried by his wife with derogatory comments.
Children absolutely can learn how to get along with others; if they are gently corrected and shown the way. At no age should hitting be allowed. Even with a toddler, kind yet firm "no hitting" and removing a child from a situation until he or she calms down, is very effective unless there are underlying issues.
If in addition to receiving absolutely no parental intervention during sibling squabbles, they are also on the receiving end of physical punishment -- it would have been unreasonable to expect them not to physically fight each other.
Alberta Girl said... 26
Speaking from experience, children that have behavioural issues do need continued therapy. And the earlier the better. My son, who is now 7, developed major anxiety issues over the past year. Nothing is more heartbreaking than seeing your child absolutely terrified to go to school.
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I hope your son is getting a great deal of benefit and comfort from his therapy. My heart goes out to him and to you.
Go for it Jon! Why hasn't anyone ever asked TFW, if she does it all alone, why and how she was always spotted shopping BY.HERSELF, except maybe with the twins?
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I bet she'll pay Chris to snap photos of her and all of the 8 happy and smiling coming form various stores.
Just wait for it. -)
Another example of TFW turning a blind eye was in Farm to Table when she was waxing on about her wonderful chicken cattiatore. The twins, mainly Cara, were screaming hysterically over musical toys and had the tups joining in. Kate just said she left them to figure it out, and 'didn't hear anything.' The emotion and anger in Cara's voice frightened even Mady, and Hannah was backing Cara up. The older sisters are the emotional role models for the 'littles.'
All That Jazz said... 64
How in the name of all that's holy does Milo know Kate's schedule?
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Cause KK and Milo communicate off Twitter duh..lol
Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?
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Kate's recent blog flies in the face of the many many times she said that she has no interest in what Jon is doing, she doesn't pay attention or give a second thought to what he does in his life. Many versions of this same sentiment were stated up one side and down the other of her most recent book tour.
She's going to 'doesn't care about him' right into the spotlight she so desperately seeks for herself.
VA Penn Mom said (re her aunt):
And I've never seen such greed. It's mind-boggling. Nothing is ever enough. (She did receive half of my grandmother's money, yet she still nickels and dimes my mother to death.) Where do these nuts come from? My grandmother and grandfather were salt-of-the-earth people and my mom is a very nice and generous person.
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I so appreciate it when you and others on this blog share their own real life experiences in dealing with a narcissistic personality. I think until you see their behavior first hand, sometimes you cannot grasp that a person would behave so irrationally and badly, for no apparent reason.
I'm glad your mother has you to act as buffer and protector. I can't imagine being a child and having no one to act as buffer between myself and a full blown narcissist like Kate. Their time with Jon must seem too short, knowing that they will have to return home and probably dare not acknowledge how much they enjoy spending time with their dad.
Kateplusmy8 We know U spend every wk filling the social agenda/routing the places of ur kids w/school activities & playdates w/friends!
Milo, sweetie, what do you know that we don't? Activities? Play dates? She never talks about any of those, does she? And as for play dates, these kids are 10 and 13. Nope, it's school and the school bus.
It is interesting that Jon says they prefer to talk to adults - so it would appear they do not necessarily interact well with others at school, and we have seen how they interact with each other. Truly a shame when you infantilize your younger children, refer to them not as individuals but as a pack, and also pretend your teens are your bff's. Social issues? No one here is surprised.
And that's exactly what we were trying to explain about Kate crashing the twins' sleepover. Even if the twins wanted her there and were more comfortable with her there she has got to remove herself from the situation and allow them to socialize and interact with their peers without an adult crutch to lean on. I suppose it makes Kate feel good they are her alleged BFFs but that does not mean that relationship is what is in their best interest. Their BFF should be another 13 year old, not an adult. TFW is their mother, not their friend.
In my sad experience with narcissists, they encourage fighting between their children as part of the manipulation and control issues of their personalities. Just as they are quick to scream, hit, and degrade to achieve their goals, they expect and understand others doing the same.
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Oh for sure! My mother would pit one of us against the other all.the.time
And you know what? If you're told over and over again that you're lazy, stupid, useless...whatever-you might just grow up to be those things. Might as well live up to those expectations, right? We have a sister who's life is a shamble, with men, money, kids etc....well guess who was the "black sheep" as a kid? Another sister was the golden child, but to this day she really hates that "mother" gave her privileges, was used as the example of how we were to behave. But you know what? She's a doormat to this day. We've all got issues!
I grew up in a large family, no multiples but very close in ages. When I see some of the kids beating on the others with no consequences it brings out the anger I feel at my parents for letting that go on. Just because the Gosselin kids are the same ages, they are not the same sizes, nor do they have the same physical strength. To allow the bigger, stronger kids to beat on the weaker kids and do nothing is child abuse. My parents allowed that to happen and we were also told to work it out. How the hell does a little girl work it out when her stronger sibling is bigger, stronger and violent? I've never hit anyone in my life but I sure was hit - a lot. Letting kids work out squabbles is fine, but violence and bullying - sorry Kate, that's your job! Although I'd love to hear you tell your kids, "We don't hit!" as you're beating the crap out of them. I bet you also tell them not to chew gum with their mouths open or not to steal. Yeah, kids are smart enough to know a hypocrite when they see one, so you have no moral authority. Maybe you should give them to Jon. I think it's the only chance they have.
When Jon commented that the kids have socialization problems, was he talking about all of the children or just the younger six?
Somewhere in Time, I don't think Jon specified that it was just the younger children.
The older sisters are the emotional role models for the 'littles.'
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And that biotch is THEIR role model
It's beyond me why Katie Couric would think that was 'cute'. They're both too old for 'cute'.
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Another thing that isn't cute are their little expressions/quotes she throws out on twitter. Sheeple love it. They "aw" over it, gushing about how sweet it is -- out of the mouths of babes, etc. These kids aren't babies. They are 9 1/2 years old and yet she still wants them to be toddlers. I think that might be some of the problem. She doesn't want them to grow up because she's not grown up. If you're stuck in that tween maturity, how can you parent a child who has almost caught up to you?
Oh and guess what. My brother who used to beat the crap out of me, unchecked? Friendless and alone to this day. Big surprise.
Just to let everyone know. Kate's lawyer just filed a stipulation. The lawyers all agreed that Kate's lawyer be allowed extra time, until November 12, to respond to the Motions to Dismiss. It should be interesting to read Kate's lawyer's response.
Milicent and Tucker's Mom - thank you for the support! My son is actually doing really well. He can still have a "bad" day, but those are few and far between. Anxiety is very common in kids that age (as I have learned), and some handle it better than others. My husband and I really committed ourselves, and any resources we had to help him get better.
And I am not trying to sound like a martyr or anything, but I quit my job last year to help him through it. If the most important thing in our lives is our children, then why wouldn't we make that our priority? And I didn't want to look back in 5 or 10 years, and say, "I wonder why our child can't control his behaviour and emotions, but I am sure glad I made all that money at my job". And we are NOT well off to be able to do that - we just adjusted our spending, and have gone without things we thought we needed in the past. And to tell you the truth, it really isn't that difficult to do, and it helps to teach our kids about finances as well. When we are at the grocery store, or mall, etc., and the kids ask for something and I say no, they respond "let me guess, it's too expensive". LOL!
So if TFW does EVERYTHING for her kids, why wouldn't she ensure their emotional health? We all know that answer...
My earlier comment wasn't posted that I see. I just said what was worse, Jon saying the kids had some problems now due to their life on TV ,or their private emotional laundry being aired by their mother on the show and also on twitter/website and in her book IJWYTK.
And so it begins......
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/11/kate-gosselin-letter-defending-children-jon-gosselin-developmental-comments/
Sadie said... 89
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Thanks for sharing, Sadie. I can relate with an older brother and not having parents put their foot down on physical contact.
It is angering beyond belief-- betrayal even.
You can't leave, you know? You're stuck.
Sometimes Kate used to turn to the camera when a child said something rude,laughing, like it was funny or cute.I remember once she said she had a surprise, and Mady said sarcastically'"we're going to the movies AGAIN?" Rude and spoiled IMO, although I don't blame the kids- probably echoing good ole Mommy.Kate also imitated Joel's lisp in that episode and touched everyone's food at Austin's as she divvied it out
Well, the tweeting did the trick. Congrats, Kate, for getting back into the tabloids, because, heaven knows, unless you wrote your missive on your blog and tweeted about it multiple times, your children would never feel vindicated. Not that they need to.
Bravo. Well done.
Don't think I linked to Radar:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/11/kate-gosselin-letter-defending-children-jon-gosselin-developmental-comments/
http://radaronline.com/2013/11/kate-gosselin-letter-defending-children-jon-gosselin-developmental-comments/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
AND Radar picked it up. So far the comments negative against TFW.
Someone mentioned Farm to Table so I went to take a look. I only got to about 4:30 when I saw a tup hit a tup, then for some reason another tup slapped Mady really hard in the arm for no apparent reason. TFW simply says "stop your obnoxiousness".
Someone should compile all these examples.
Back to DWTS, a favorite show, when TFMJG was on, I remember Niecy Nash and another contestant mentioning that teens needed more parenting. Out was like they were going to give advice to TFMJG. Of course the response of TFMJG was to say no no no she didn't want to hear it. It was one of those conversational clips after several weeks if competition. Typical response. Better get up to date on teen parenting advice, TFMJG.
Re: Pam Anderson, I didn't think much of her during her Baywatch/Tommy Lee years. But I saw a clip of her years later, at one of her sons' baseball game. There were paps filming her and the kids, and Pam walked over and told them to knock it off, this was private and there were children involved. I was impressed--she was there without bodyguards or an entourage, standing with the rest of the parents. She clearly wanted her son to be able to play his game and just be one of the kids. Her sons are turning out to be very impressive young men, from what I have heard, and she certainly worked to make their childhoods as normal as possible. She's a good mom.
Two of my grandsons are not quite 2 years apart. There is a certain amount of physicality between the boys; hitting is simple not tolerated, nor is striking out at Mom. I am very impressed when I see my daughter remove the offender, get down on her knees to his height and have a serious conversation about the offense. Time outs have been known to happen, and not in the Kate flapping her hands in front of a camera way. She does not know how to be a parent; sad that she tossed Kevin and Jody to the curb, Jody could have taught her a lot. So perhaps it does go back to the way she was raised. But no excuses, having children means you have to raise them, and raise them as the grownup. And raise them right.
TFW's 107th pink iPhone should be ringing like crazy with tv appearance offers now that the official ROL article has been released!
So far the ROL comments aren't very favorable toward her. People can see through her more and more.
Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin!
Jon's turn now. And so it goes.
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Actually it hasn't been "tit for tat", this is the FIRST time he's spoken
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It's the 3rd or 4th time he's given an interview. Again, it's The War of the Gosselins with 8 innocents inbetween.
So, the major emotional and behavioural issues reported today about Charlie Sheen's twins with his druggie ex-wife, must solely be the kids' fault…right TFW?
Also in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2pE4Q5sWzA
Wooden spoon in the door pocket, 4:54
Man at 5:40 she goes "no sandbox by the way" when they stopped at a playground. WHO DOES THAT?
7:10 talks about needing babysitters for safety, homework, and bedtimes
Instrument meltdown starts at 9:25
Why wasn't Cara put immediately in timeout when she started screeching like that?
I think TFW likes to cook from scratch because it's here excuse to not have to deal with the kids. She said it was a long afternoon of cooking, so the babysitter dealt with them all afternoon while she cooked.
Then she has the babysitter take Cara to the doctor while she stayed home.
And of course family game night is brand new games provided for free for product placement.
"Mady had a little meltdown which is typical of Mady" No, no public trashing there.
Kate came out swinging, why such a major reaction? Kate wants back on TV, Kate has to get Jon out of the picture so she goes on the book (discredit Jon tour) with a lawsuit thrown in for good measure. If she can get him out, then just maybe she can get complete control and get back on TV. But Jon gets a good lawyer, half of the lawsuit disappears but no never means no and she continues on.....but then Jon gives interviews and shares his belief reality tv has hurt his children in a variety of ways and to back it up they have tape from what Kate has said is the realist reality show on TV. The general public can see his point, media people are now showing his interview and saying poor kids, believing in the ramifications Jon has expressed. Now what television opportunity is going to invest in her mess?
Kate has lost control of the "conversation" and she is totally freaking out. Jon is speaking about the problems reality tv caused for his children. Some people are finally listening and Kate is clueless how to react. Instead, she deflects and lies. There are hours upon hours of coverage that points out to the problems her children are having based growing up in a world that is not real and the problems associated with a bat-crazy Mother.
Alberta Girl said... 95
Milicent and Tucker's Mom - thank you for the support! My son is actually doing really well. He can still have a "bad" day, but those are few and far between. Anxiety is very common in kids that age (as I have learned), and some handle it better than others. My husband and I really committed ourselves, and any resources we had to help him get better.
And I am not trying to sound like a martyr or anything, but I quit my job last year to help him through it. If the most important thing in our lives is our children, then why wouldn't we make that our priority?
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I'm happy to hear that :) No, you don't sound like a martyr lol. I know exactly how you feel. If there is something we can do to make our child's life better, that's what most of us are going to do. We find a way. Childhood is not the carefree time that is so often depicted in fiction or film. There are a lot of stressors on our kids these days.
And here comes Goody! On Twitter AND ROL LMAO
Wow, there sure are a lot of us here who had a parent with NPD. I'm #5 of 10, count 'em, 10 kids, with the last two being twins. I can't even begin to recount my anger at my mother for allowing my brothers to beat the crap out of me on a regular basis.
Is it any wonder we can read TFW like a book? We lived it, didn't we.
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P.S. This blog is as good as a support group. ;)
He said she said
My observations have not been changed post interview and response. Kate is still self serving and Jon is trying to right the ship.
If she thinks she's winning over the arena of public opinion she is mistaken. Nothing she ever says period is the truth. Don't bother kate I say. We have known for years that is not about the children,but good try.
Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read.
CarolJB said... 118
Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read.
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Thanks for the info. I've been wondering if the case had anything new. So, basically Kate's lawyer wants more time and was given it.
I guess these things can move along pretty slow and drag on and on and on.
Siobhan R @SiobhanR111 10m
@Kateplusmy8 You're a great mom, Kate. You support ur kids emotionally, financially & u stand UP for them. They r lucky to have YOU. xoxo
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A big problem these days is parents who stand up for their kids no matter what. This has led to teachers being afraid to discipline kids. I see parents defend their kids when the get in trouble in school even if they were wrong. In my day if you were in trouble at school you were ALSO in trouble at home. I wonder what really happened on the bus when "mama bear" kate got mad that the bus driver said something to one of the kids. Maybe they deserved it.
CarolJB said... 118
Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read
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Thanks. I thought a stipulation is when they agree that something is true?
TFW will order their friends to come up with five playdates by the end of the week under penalty of severeness.
Just to let those interested know. Kate's attorney filed a stipulation. All of the attorneys agreed that Kate's attorney could have extra time to file an answer to the Motions to Dismiss. He has until November 12. It should be interesting to read.
Thanks CarolJB for the info. Did the stipulation state the reason her attorney asked for more time?
It's interesting that Jon and Robert's lawyers were able to dissect her complaint point by point including stating the law, quickly, yet TFW needs more time. Heh Maybe that's what is contributing to her tizzy.
Although I know that asking and receiving more time is very common, I think it's indicative in this situation of how weak her case is and how little they understand the history and FACTS of the case. Seems like they should have known the applicable laws and what their position and defense of each point was going to be and been able to easily rattle it off backwards and forwards.
Maybe I'm expecting too much after reading Shawn Tuma's knowledgeable and well written responses? ;- ) Heh, again.
Thanks for that info update, CarolJB!
Google attachment disorder. While it is more commonly thought to effect children growing up in orphanages, it does effect other children.
I have long suspected that some of the children may have it and Jon's comments strongly suggest that possibility. Therapy is necessary; unfortunately, family therapy is needed.
Additionally, Jon may have made those statements not only because they are true but also to make his children less desirable to any potential realty show Kate manages to find.
Vanessa said... 109
Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin!
Jon's turn now. And so it goes.
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It's the 3rd or 4th time he's given an interview. Again, it's The War of the Gosselins with 8 innocents inbetween.
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VS Kate's hundreds of interviews from 2009-present where she bashed Jon or told the kids secrets.
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Someone mentioned Farm to Table so I went to take a look. I only got to about 4:30 when I saw a tup hit a tup, then for some reason another tup slapped Mady really hard in the arm for no apparent reason. TFW simply says "stop your obnoxiousness".
Someone should compile all these examples.
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RV- when the kids were pushing each other off chair near a fire and all KK did was scream.
Did she do something when Jamie's son Clay was being hit/bullied by one of the 8?
The comments on radar are funny.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't TFW talk about bra shopping with the twins on a radio show??
The only thing she really ever talks about are the kids and Jon that's her one and only "hook"
Siobhan R @SiobhanR111 10m
@Kateplusmy8 You're a great mom, Kate. You support ur kids emotionally, financially & u stand UP for them. They r lucky to have YOU. xoxo
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A big problem these days is parents who stand up for their kids no matter what. This has led to teachers being afraid to discipline kids. I see parents defend their kids when the get in trouble in school even if they were wrong. In my day if you were in trouble at school you were ALSO in trouble at home. I wonder what really happened on the bus when "mama bear" kate got mad that the bus driver said something to one of the kids. Maybe they deserved it.
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Amen. Don't forget that the sheeple who tweeted that is in the running for one of the slowest in the flock...not the sharpest tool in the shed (by a longshot)!
Amen to me too. People enable this woman and by proxy enable her kids. Kate enables her kids' bad behavior. Many other adults enable bad behavior in general. We are a culture of enablers. Kudos to anyone who says that's wrong. I'm not the biggest Suzee Orman fan but even she has an entire chapter in her new book about how she's sick of trying to clean up the messes parents have made of their kids who are now in ther 20s. She essentially says they are spoiled and completely financially illiterate because parents were always so afraid to level with them.
Re the spitting, that is an aggressive form. I mean really aggressive behavior according to child development psychology it comes from a lack of problem solving skills, anger or stress. The child might not have had the ability for problem solving. No tools, therefore a/he resorts to spitting.
Hannah spitting at Leah could be cuz she's feeling stressful & doesn't know how to handle that situation of playing these stupid games with Kate C.
I bet TWF is proud of herself on how the children 'handle' themselves. No, it's embrassesing! Infantizing them for way too long must have been a toll on them. I bet when they're at school, they know other kids do not live like they do. That is uf they are even allowed to sit with other kids at lunchtime.
Suzy
Robert has a new post and it's a good one!
Thanks. I thought a stipulation is when they agree that something is true?
Did the stipulation state the reason her attorney asked for more time?
A stipulation can be an agreement to extend time to answer a motion. It doesn't mean that anyone is agreeing that any facts are true or not true.
The stipulation doesn't state a reason why more time is needed. It's pretty common in federal court cases for another party to request more time to respond. For me, it's been my experience that it means that the attorney is extremely busy or needs time to research the issues because he doesn't know how to respond.
Carol I was going to explain that too. More often than not it's just because you have several cases all coming to a head the same week and a planned vacation just prior that took you out of commission and an unexpected appeal or change of court date in another case you have to add to your load now too. It could be because they are floundering around not sure how to handle it but usually these things are because of scheduling and are normal and common requests.
Stipulation just means you're not going to fight an extension of time, you're fine with it. I would rarely contest a reasonable request for more time unless I suspect somebody is playing games. It's hard to say that on only the first request. Plus I may need more time at some point too and I wouldn't want anyone fighting it. Continuances are supposed to be liberally granted.
My. kid is brownbelt, me green.
What does this have to do with convo?
I am a single mom..a real one.
But I made sure to have positive empowerment for dd by many male rolwmodels.
She has uncles galore...dicipline? we went to karate, together.
It is good, at 16, dd's hormones are through the roof, but, can somewhat control them.
If not, we "ajame"...to released excess.
somehow, i don't see tfw sparring , friendly, with her atm's.
This so far, is our answer to angst, subject to change.
the fw? not seeing any flexibility
franky
On another note I think Shawn should give them all the time they want. This case should be won fair and square, not because they decided to be jerks about a reasonable request for more time. Then they'll be accused of winning on a technicality. I want this won on the issues.
Oh, so the OTHER team stipulated that they could have more time. Got it I guess they need it with the thorough motion LOL
chefsummer said... 127
localyocul said... 104
Someone mentioned Farm to Table so I went to take a look. I only got to about 4:30 when I saw a tup hit a tup, then for some reason another tup slapped Mady really hard in the arm for no apparent reason. TFW simply says "stop your obnoxiousness".
Someone should compile all these examples.
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RV- when the kids were pushing each other off chair near a fire and all KK did was scream.
Did she do something when Jamie's son Clay was being hit/bullied by one of the 8?
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On the RV trip Ca was refusing to allow Clay to sit with her and had a raging fit. When Jamie went to talk to TFW, TFW told HER to control CLAY
Nancy said... 129
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't TFW talk about bra shopping with the twins on a radio show??
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Sadly yes and she also talked about the girls getting a visit from aunt flow.
But she drew a line when asked about her virginity.
Oh, and she took Ca's side and Ca went back and gave an I told You So to Ashley.
Usually two extensions are granted freely here. However, even if a third request to extend time is denied by the opposing attorney, the Judge will usually allow it. The federal judges here want to hear cases based on the facts, not technicalities.
Robert -- what a GREAT new blog post!
I got a chill when reading "... while his two oldest daughters were watching out of an upstairs window."
I can understand why you care so much after reading what you know about the Gosselin children and what you have experienced dealing with the family.
I just wonder what TFMJG is going to do when all that aggression the kids exhibit gets turned on her? And it will happen, probably sooner rather than later. Of course, she'll blame Jon and say it's because he's an absent father who never laid down the law to them. I think the poster upthread who said that the kids behave differently when they are with Jon is dead right. Didn't Jon say in one of the interviews that he has only a couple of rules and one of them was no hitting? He seems to walk that walk, too. TFMJG would proudly proclaim on the show that "we don't hit in our family" and then turn around and smack Jon. Great role model for the kids.
"So as I was picking up a copy of the police report today from the ‘dark and stormy night’ back in April of 2010,"
YES! He is mocking the other blog, the Jon Haters. They keep calling him out about the "Dark and Stormy Night" saying it never happened. Oops.
"The next day, the crew and sextuplets were out, but no Kate. The kids played in the ocean and fought for the attention of a young camera guy who patiently played a few dozen games of rock, paper, scissors. All were having fun until an argument over a granola bar led Alexis to spit on one of her brothers. "Alexis Faith!" the babysitter yelled, and the kids were soon assembled into a line to march back inside."
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This first-hand observation, from Katy Hall, addressed some issues that are problematic and have been suspected of undermining the kids' social and emotional development (as a result of abdicating the role of parent to crew and sitters).
1. The kids constantly playing with adults
2. Inappropriate spitting on a sibling (by the girl who was kicked out of kindergarten)
3. Kate nowhere in sight to intervene immediately and consistently.
Article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katy-hall/kate-plus-8-on-bald-head_b_682082.html
The sheeple (who have reading and listening comprehension problems) and the tabs are running wild with this "developmentally delayed" and "developmental disability" comment that they say that Jon made. That's not what he said, but it doesn't matter to them. It's like that old game we used to play, "Whisper Down the Lane." I wonder to what extent his words will be twisted when all of this is finished.
Polly, of Small Town Gosselins, had this to say about her first-hand experience observing the filming of Kate + 8 in a corn maze, one Fall day:
" They never actually got to experience the corn maze, and they didn't get to hang out and enjoy the entire normal corn maze experience of roasting hotdogs or marshies, etc. There was no interaction with other children, and everything was strictly controllled by Kate"
Source:
http://smalltowngosselins.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/30/kids-played-at-corn-maze-today.html
Kate in the earlier days would call Jon at work and cry or ask him to come home early if the kids were acting up.I guess the only way she knew how to deal with squabbling kids was to beat them or make Jon do the dirty work. She had a few tales in her books about not knowing the kids were up and into mischief and then asked others to 'help her.'
The thought of Cara and Mady watching Jon being thrown out of his house in the rain just breaks my heart. She is a witch. And he's right, it is ironic. If she hadn't been such a bitch he never would have found her stuff. I hope he prints out the police report. I wonder if that's the number on the bottom of his post.
Sorry, but if it's not a biological / mental capability issue, then the blame is on the shoulders of the parents. They caused the undue stress and conditions these kids were exposed to... the producers were the tool of the parents and the children's issues are the products those tools made.
It was the job of both parents to make sure their children did grow up unaffected. There is some twisted logic here, especially since they all have so much more than others. Yet with all they have, they have nothing if their values are absent.
I don't remember ever seeing this asked or answered, but how does Jon feel about his kids attending a private school? Has he ever mentioned anything either way?
How can they be exceeding developmental milestones if they are a year behind in school? Shouldn't they skip a grade back to where they should be if that is the case?
TFW needs to buy her own T.V station, like Oprah has, can you just imagine her on it, all B.S., all of the time!
In the midst of the Twitter flame wars we have this...
The Gal Down Under @TheGalDownUnder 4h
@Kateplusmy8 what type of sugar do you use in your balsamic vinaigrette? Ty #loveisinthemix
Bless her heart! :)
Does anyone else get the feeling that the "real" story of Kate Gosselin is all about to split wide open?
If my memory serves me right didn't Jon say point blank: stop all the bs or I'm going to snap? And you won't like what I have to say!
That was before TFW little bash Jon / and oh by the way I have a crook book tour.
She was warned.
Franky said...
It is good, at 16, dd's hormones are through the roof, but, can somewhat control them.
If not, we "ajame"...to released excess.
somehow, i don't see tfw sparring , friendly, with her atm's.
This so far, is our answer to angst, subject to change.
the fw? not seeing any flexibility
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I have no idea what this is, even with several readings, but carry on!
Sorry, but if it's not a biological / mental capability issue, then the blame is on the shoulders of the parents. They caused the undue stress and conditions these kids were exposed to... the producers were the tool of the parents and the children's issues are the products those tools made.
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Usually, yes. Jon understands that when he said where did we go wrong? As in himself and Kate, and perhaps anyone else who had a hand in the decisions as to them. He also has said more than once that he will have to answer to his kids for what was done to them when they are older. I find this refreshing, someone actually showing an inclination to take some freaking responsibility for this here. If Kate did this too it sure as heck would go a long way. She is a joke to the average commentor. These aren't haters and sheeple. There are just drivebys sick of her stupid whining clogging their celebrity news. She is so done with the public it's almost embarrassing to watch her put herself out there over and over.
Yep, his interview with the dads was just before the lawsuit. I wouldn't put it past Kate to say if you don't do this or that I'm going to file a lawsuit. I bet anything he knew it was coming. I bet you're right, his comments that if you push me I just might snap was a fair warning. She chose to poke him anyway and this is the result. She never knows when to quit while she's ahead. Never.
prairiemary said... 157
TFW needs to buy her own T.V station, like Oprah has, can you just imagine her on it, all B.S., all of the time!
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She can name it the "UMM" channel.
With a program line up of.
1. I hate Jon hour.
2. I hate Robert hour,
3. I can't cook hour.
4. Guess Steve's Job hour.
5. Look at My balloons hour,-(Milo would love that)
6. How to dress like a hooker hours-(Milo love this one 2)
My impression has always been that Jon knew a lawsuit was coming, hence the Dad's interview.
Screw it, right? It's coming anyway, so bring it on and let the chips fall where they will.
I still feel that Jon's been holding so, so much back. I know the sheeple think differently, but I think that deep down, he doesn't want it to go down like this.
I think he's protecting a whole lot.
Whoa I can't believe I found this on the first try. I could have sworn even Kate admitted the kids were having problems and needed help and were about to see a therapist. This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
So, it's all fine and dandy for her to say they are struggling and need therapy?? But Jon can't say it? What the hell???
What a gigantic hypocrite. Hold the applause, this find was purely a stroke of good luck....hehehe.
Tucker that Dad's interview definitely had a feel of something ominous is lurking.
I'm virtually certain he knew. After all there can be lots of negotiations and threats of a lawsuit before it is ever filed. Most people are not surprised by a lawsuit. They may have even sent him a demand letter or other things of that nature. He knew and as you said that's when he said screw it I'm getting my say in first.
What's worse, Jon saying the kids had some problems now due to their life on TV ,or their private emotional laundry being aired by their mother on the show and also on twitter/website and in her book IJWYTK. ________________________________________
They're both pretty bad. Jon had to know Kate can't keep her mouth shut. Hapy, Jon? Did you get that all off your chest?
I had faith in you. No more.
They're both pretty bad. Jon had to know Kate can't keep her mouth shut. Hapy, Jon? Did you get that all off your chest?
I had faith in you. No more.
LOL....#moresheeplefunnies
Now what television opportunity is going to invest in her mess?
Westbrooke! THAT was the answer I've been looking for since I heard Jon talk so poorly about his kids. I KNEW there had to be an endgame there!
Everyone's at fault here said... 166
Gee, I could have sworn Jon said he wished Kate all the best.
Happy now? Oh yeah, I think so. His children will one day be bursting with much more love for Jon than ever. And go looking for Robert Hoffman to thank him also. It's a long and winding road to the truth.
Jon must be awfully confused. He's been criticized for being a doormat and not standing up to Kate, not speaking out about her, why even accused of letting his children be abused and not intervening. Now when he finally stands up for himself and his children and tells the truth, he's accused of "hurting the children." How exactly this hurts the children is never explained or is explained in wildly speculative ways (such as, ten years from now they will somehow be able to find some interview from some tiny little cable network in the billions of hours of footage that has aired since), and it's never acknowledged that the children might both approve of his speaking out now and/or later and feel fine about it and even want it. So which is it, is staying quiet the best thing or is speaking out the best thing? Because we can't have it both ways. I'm going to go with speaking out, every time. No good ever came of staying quiet when bad things are happening.
Whether he intended this or not I agree 100% that what Jon is doing and saying now is turning the family into one big giant liability. If he intended it, he's a genius. Basically he is making them look like a lawsuit waiting to happen. A big chance no one wants to bank on. A balloon about to burst. Every time Kate responds to him she just makes the entire situation look even MORE volatile. There is no network that would touch this. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen. They're not going to go near kids who may have issues, they don't want to be next in line accused of messing them up. It's not worth the risk of bad PR. It's not worth the risk that Jon or others will run to the media and trash them. And since Kate is so hot to sue she's a bad idea herself.
If Jon intended this, I'm impressed. He is, in a very sly way, crushing any hope of them going on T.V. again, on the off chance there ever was one. Well done. I bet Kate doesn't see this yet, or get it. When she does oh the fireworks.
Even with all of my years breeding dogs, I made it a priority to always socialize them before they went to their families, so they would be great dogs to humans and other dogs. At times it would be a lot of extra work, but there was no way around it if I wanted them to be the best dogs possible. She is just so bloody lazy!
I don't know how twitter works, is it possible that TFW paid to have her story re-tweeted? There is the same wording on like 30 re-tweets, all one after each other. When I go to their twitter feeds, all they do is re-post tweets. Is it a way to trend articles?
It happens when there are Jon articles, but on a smaller scale, and with known gossip websites' twitter handles. TFW's story is being mostly retweeted by non-gossip-site-weird-twitter-accounts.
OT- What are we doing for 11/12/13?
Joy? Anyone? :)
I agree admin:
Glad it is out there: do We wish It were not true...of course
Are we surprised ? Absolutely not.
Have we always thought TFW was damaging the kids? Yes
She has 3 people who dignify her every choice. Problem is those 3 people are as screwed up as her.
Do we really truly believe those children have real choices in their everyday life with HER? No- kate is a dictator ..you have NO voice under her care. I don't care what she says
" For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
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But see, Admin, that wasn't her fault. The kids had issues because Jon left. It's all his fault. It had nothing to do with reality television at all. (this was all said with tongue firmly in cheek).
In my sad experience with narcissists, they encourage fighting between their children as part of the manipulation and control issues of their personalities. Just as they are quick to scream, hit, and degrade to achieve their goals, they expect and understand others doing the same.
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Oh for sure! My mother would pit one of us against the other all.the.time
And you know what? If you're told over and over again that you're lazy, stupid, useless...whatever-you might just grow up to be those things. Might as well live up to those expectations, right? We have a sister who's life is a shamble, with men, money, kids etc....well guess who was the "black sheep" as a kid? Another sister was the golden child, but to this day she really hates that "mother" gave her privileges, was used as the example of how we were to behave. But you know what? She's a doormat to this day. We've all got issues!
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My narcissist aunt's kids are all a mess--except the golden child. He's actually a pretty good guy and didn't seem to become a narcissist himself. The other three were never as good as he was in their mom's eyes. One of them is an unmotivated doormat, as Vanessa said above. One is a druggie and motorcycle (style) chick and looks twenty years older than her age. The last is the worst deadbeat I have ever encountered. All of my narcissist's aunt's grandchildren (except one of the golden child's daughters) have been drop-outs, pregnant as teenagers, druggies, out of work, deeply in debt, etc. Now she has great-grandchildren, and the jury is still out on them, but sadly I am not too hopeful for many of them.
Ironically, my aunt told me I wasn't "strict" enough on my kids and that I should ORDER them to obey me. It wasn't my style. My kids are happy, emotionally sound (most of the time, lol) and well educated. Score one for teaching children how to think and react and problem-solve versus commanding they obey you like little robots.
Oh, and my cousins--the narcissist's kids--were hellions when they came to our house. They'd break our toys, bully us, fight, steal.... They don't really like each other much and rarely socialize with each other even now. I am always shocked when I see the two brothers or two sisters conversing.
Paula said... 167
They're both pretty bad. Jon had to know Kate can't keep her mouth shut. Hapy, Jon? Did you get that all off your chest?
I had faith in you. No more.
LOL....#moresheeplefunnies
May I respond? I'm not a 'sheeple' nor a hater. Hmmm...maybe I'm a 'fencer'. Not on either parents' side. I'm firmly on the children's side, that much I know. And my heart breaks for them.
Reality tv preys on people with issues. Children, too.
...and poor Cousin Elissa....who experienced their wrath...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENLIbpUW0W8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyZ51knMG9w
All due respect to the Gosselin kid. This is not your fault, but the adults in your life did not take the time to teach you how to get along with people. Thankfully, your dad is realizing this, and hopefully making steps to help all of you learn a better way to get along with other people your age.
Just because you can tease each other people, and likely feel power in your pack..doesnt mean that you should tease other people. Some day your "unit of 6" will separate as adults, and you should, but you may not have that power any longer, and find yourselves in situations where you might find yourself balking authority. I hope not, I truly hope not.
Hey Sheeple and Kate who have a problem with what Jon said, do you remember the MEDICAL ISSUES she said the 2 tups who were expelled? There was nothing wrong with her telling the world THAT!!!!!!!
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2011/04/04/6406143-kate-gosselin-on-dating-hes-got-to-be-superman
“Every child whose parents are divorced will go through some negative behaviors,” Gosselin said, adding there were also “medical issues we dealt with”
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Does that mean they had something serious like tumors on the brain that affected their behavior? Or other pain issues that made them lash out? I don't think so. I think she has them medicated now for something on the order of ADD.
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I still think she goes on tirades around or at the kids. Like "why would you want to go to or live with your dad? I am able to buy you lots of high end stuff. Your dad is too poor. I am trying to get us back on tv so I can BUY you more stuff and take expensive vacations. Your dad is too poor. If I had a new tv show I would be home more than he is because he is too busy with work because he is too poor. Why do you want to go to his house on Xmas day, you won't get as nice of gifts as I can give since he is so poor." On and on like that.
Admin, 164. Good find. I remember that she said that, but couldn't tell you when or in what context.
That should be forwarded to ROL, and other tabs that are bashing Jon for speaking out on Oprah.
May I respond? I'm not a 'sheeple' nor a hater. Hmmm...maybe I'm a 'fencer'. Not on either parents' side. I'm firmly on the children's side, that much I know. And my heart breaks for them.
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I've sat on the fence enough that my butt hurts!
I've sat on the fence enough that my butt hurts!
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Ditto. Not to mention the splinters!
Hey Sheeple and Kate who have a problem with what Jon said, do you remember the MEDICAL ISSUES she said the 2 tups who were expelled? There was nothing wrong with her telling the world THAT!!!!!!!
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It just boggles the mind trying to figure out why in the world she would put up that little ditty on her blog. Doesn't she remember all that she has said regarding the children? Would she deny saying it when she knows that it's all been recorded in words (and videos)? I just don't understand why she just didn't keep her mouth zipped. Yet again, she's proven what a hypocrite she is. She'll never learn.
And still, the sheeple lovefest goes on, with young Emily vouching for Kate and the kids...after what, holding some of the kids on her lap for all of a few minutes?
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 12m
@Kateplusmy8 read your latest post. Couldnt agree more. You know I'll always vouch for those amazing kids! (And their amazing mom too!)
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 164
Whoa I can't believe I found this on the first try. I could have sworn even Kate admitted the kids were having problems and needed help and were about to see a therapist. This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
So, it's all fine and dandy for her to say they are struggling and need therapy?? But Jon can't say it? What the hell???
What a gigantic hypocrite. Hold the applause, this find was purely a stroke of good luck....hehehe.
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Woah as TFMJG would say admin.
Read the quote again, especially the last few words. TFMJG made it clear that the kids' problems were due to the absence of a parent. That would have been Jon. HE was the one who messed up their perfect reality TV lives by standing up for himself, getting out and eventually rescuing his children from that life.
Classic example of Katespeak. Any problems the kids had were Jon's fault. Still are really.
Seems like I remember people going on about how she talked about her kids in the book she wrote, "I Just Want You To Know." Seems folks said she wrote a lot of private things about some or all of the kids that she should not have said. Am I remembering right?
I am a twin, and let me tell you, we multiples can be a real hand full. I am horrified when I realize what brats we were when we were little. We were bullies and show offs, and much of it because we fed off each other. Multiples are very different. We just are. I remember Mother dressing us alike until we were old enough to buy our own clothes. People always stopped to comment about us, and I remember them asking Mother if we fought. She always said "No, they are such good kids," and we were plain awful. Open your eyes, Kate. Your kids are in trouble.
Rhymes with Witch said... 174
OT- What are we doing for 11/12/13?
Joy? Anyone? :)
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Hey Rhymes. Why don't we start a pool on how long it takes
Kate to tweet that it is a super, extra-special, exponentially amazingish day because - wait for it - the numbers 11-12-13 add up to 9, to represent her and her 8 kids!
Seems folks said she wrote a lot of private things about some or all of the kids that she should not have said.
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I still feel that way. Number one, she wrote very specifically about which kids had which problems. She named names. And number two, there was no good purpose behind what she said other than to exploit them, elicit sympathy and sell books exploiting the divorce. The purpose behind Jon speaking out was to explain the dangers of reality T.V., rebut Kate when she puts out there propaganda that reality T.V. is good for them, and possibly to try to get through to Kate in the only way he has left. He has no book or anything else to sell like Kate is usually doing when she exposes them, and no other ulterior motives.
(Leslie)
Admin. posted: This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
And remember during this time in January 2010, when Kate admitted they were all really struggling with the absence of a parent, what does Kate do? She signs up for DWTS and that required her to be gone for many days at a time for many months. That is disgusting. At the time when her kids needed her the most, she did DWTS that caused her to practice 5 to 6 hours a day and fly literally across the country for several days every week.
It is no coincidence, that it was that Sept. that the 2 kids were expelled. Shame on her. And she did not need the money at that time. So please don't say she had to do it to support her kids. Kate Plus 8 started that June and she earned $250,000 per episode for it. And it was during that time that Jon was required by his divorce decree to pay $20,000 plus every month in support. That money was put aside from his divorce where he couldn't touch it and it was paid directly to Kate. And TLC was even heavily promoting Twist of Kate that they were giving her. She and had a book coming out at the time too for income.
Kate went on all the talk shows saying she had to do DWTS for income to support her kids during that time. That is a disgusting lie that her kids will put together one day. She did it for fame and fortune and that is a fact. When Kate herself admitted in People that her kids were really struggling she lied to them and the world she needed to be gone to support her kids. Remember the calendar that Admin. did doing this time that proved that Kate was barely at home for several months. And for Kate to say that everything she does is for her kids. Bullshit! DWTS was for her fame and fortune while her kids really struggled with different nannies and therapists.
I just wish that tweet that Kate did about how it worked best for her family for her to be gone a week and home a week. She was parenting 50% of the time and stating it was best for her family. That tweet alone should have been blasted across all magazines demonstrating what a crap ass Mother she really was/is.
RE: My comment at 187
I, of course, meant the numbers taken separately, i.e., 1+1+1+2+1+3, add up to 9!
I'm a total fencer. I'm not so sure Jon made such a great choice to talk about the kids the way he did. Sure, it gets out the message of reality show danger for children but I'm not quite convinced they G8 had to be the poster children for it.
I do hope he discussed this with them before hand. If he didn't, Kate will be sure to use this against him in the relationships he has with them.
Kate had no problem, with Jon by her side, to make the one episode all about discipline and what each them needed to be disciplined for, who sat in time out more, etc,etc.
That episode is out there for her kids to watch, and hopefully some day when her kids grow up, they may see their mother's latest interviews ( books, episodes) and wonder why she such hurtful statements about them.
I want to be able to point them to this blog so that they know that we all publicly set the record 100% straight, for their sake, that we were all totally against kids being filmed for reality TV and they had all of us in their corner.
Also, this is a classic example of Kate feeling it is okay for her to exploit and trash her kids, but no one else better dare exploit and trash her kids ( BTW, I do not think JOn is trashing his kids in that interview) ....
....especially if they are getting TV time or being paid for it.
These kids may get along great with adults, and be a delight, but there is film clip after film clip out there showing that amongst themselves, or with other people close to their own age they really stuggle with getting along.
Kate facade is starting to crack.........under this pressure it might be hard for Kate to keep up her pretentious act!
OT: party time! On 11/12/13! What a great idea!
Auntie Ann can come up with decorations with her stash of glitter! Does anyone have a bedazzler? Keeping with theme of left over holiday stuff to save money, everyone can bring left over whatever. The party should have a theme, favorite mathematicians maybe. That's the ticket! We will have a soiree and be visited by famous mathematicians throughout history.
I am positively giddy, Virginia has a new governor and the calls from the NRA, senator Tim Kaine, representative Eric Cantor, mike Huckabee, folks representing whatever , all those robo calls will STOP! Tho Bill and Hillary never called me! The president never called me either, what am I doing wrong?
I'm also giddy because I downloaded Plants vs.Zombies 2 today! Fun game!
Ok, party day and into evening of 11/12/13. I will get guest list together. Everyone get out your fanciest muumuus, polish up your dressy crocs, and find some leftovers to bring! Whoever had the oldest thing will win! I will get busy defrosting a turkey I think I bought right after last Thanksgiving. You can also bring virtual date in case you don't want to talk to ancient mathematicians.
Yes, the election is over!!!!!
Anonymous said... 190
(Leslie)
Admin. posted: This is her quote from People, January 18, 2010 :
"They start counseling in the next 2 weeks. I found an awesome counselor who will come to us and she will be working with them. I am DEFINITELY SEEING SIGNS that it's a MAJOR NEED at this point. For some more than others, but they ALL REALLY STRUGGLING with the absence of a parent."
And remember during this time in January 2010, when Kate admitted they were all really struggling with the absence of a parent, what does Kate do? She signs up for DWTS and that required her to be gone for many days at a time for many months.
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I hope Tuma reads this blog. There is a wealth of real history here.
Thanks Admin, for sticking with it through thick and thin.
Lesle..one eighty nine.....
STANDING OVATION!!!!
brava !!!
g-d i h8 my phone.
BRAVA
franky
Re-reading Kates " My response".....
1) I see she has corrected all of the font sizes. Thank you Kate!
2) perhaps Jon finds it very heart breaking to hear you tell joe public about the girls bra shopping ordeal, or how Joel may fool a girl into liking him and then she will discover he is clueless, and all the other hurtful things you have said about your children .
3)Hmmm Kate...you say Jon is making Value judgements. It is good for us as parents to do a check of our children's values and how they are developing. There seems to be 2 sets of values important to each of you as parents...
Kates Values: Worldly values include wealth, power, pleasure, revenge, fame, vanity and status. These are the most important things to people who perceive no power or purpose beyond themselves. Worldly values promote jealousies, resentments and conflicts among people. (Source - http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_ChristianValues.htm)
Jon's values: kindness and respect for all people instead of power; humility instead of status; honesty and generosity instead of wealth; self-control instead of self-indulgence; forgiveness instead of revenge. ( Source- http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_ChristianValues.htm)
I kind of like that Jon has made a public statement about what values he deems important in his children and how developmentally they are lacking and he wants to do right by them and work on developing these important values!
4) Limited Visits: every second weekend and every tuesday seems pretty regular to me and considering he does not have a not a nanny , he likely spends more undivided attention with those kids during that time then you appear to spend with them all month. Looking at the amount of time you spend twittering and away doing " work, pampering, shopping, etc)
5) Jon did not speak negatively. There was nothing said that told his kids he didnt love them. When they grow up and listen to that interview, my hunch is they are going to thank their dad for realizing that changes needed to be made.
6)Speak on their behalf??? Uhh no, you are not speaking on their behalf. You are being a parental alienator!
7) Jon may have used the wrong word when he said developmental. But like your sheeple, you are looking at words individully and not hearing the message. Jon is making, like you said, a value statement. he wants his kids to have certain values, and he doesnt feel that filming helped to instill those values!!
8)Uhh, Jon is family too, and like any normal family, he too has a right to monitor their development. You can moniter what is developing normally, and he can monitor those things he would like to see changed :)
9) I never heard Jon say he wanted each of his children to be a carbon copy of each other....
10) You say that anyone who has personally met your children all say: they are the most normal, pleasant, polite, loving and well adjusted children they have ever met. Most even go on to say that they are a “a delight” to be around.
UHHH Kate, thems big people's words! Jon said the kids were used to only talking to adults. What about kids their ages, what do they say?? I know what I have seen kids say from the realist reality TV show out there. remember Clay? and Elissa?
11) If you knew you were going to risk unwanted public and private frenzy, why make the post. You could write your kids a letter, date it, and seal it, and when they asked about it, you could have handed them the letter. You could have, if you wanted to ...
... but Kate, we know...you truly do want the public and private frenzy!
you live for it!
I just hope your kid can survive it....
I did not see Jon's interview and have only heard what he had to say from reading hear and other sources. I have mixed feelings, because I still think that whatever is going on with the kids should kept private by BOTH their mother and their father.
However, Kate has been the one talking about her kids, both good and bad over the years while Jon has remained silent. Perhaps, he felt that he needed to tell his side compared to what Kate has said. I still think they are both wrong for discussing anything about the kids' emotional well-being.
For the sheeple and Kate who are all upset about what Jon had to say, remember that just a month ago Kate wrote this about her twin daughters on their birthday:
"When these difficult moments arise, I am striving to love them and be patient with them as they grow and work through this timeframe. “They can’t help it” comes to mind often and when I need extra reminders, I glance at the gummy toothless (and drooly) smiles in the baby photos I have nearby to remind me of the who is inside of that somewhat “unloveable” person displayed in front of me."
Yes, teenagers can cause you to tear your hair out at times, but to say that you have to strive to love them or find them unlovable is just as bad as saying that they have developmental or emotional issues.
Kate, in her response to Jon's interview says "These opinions are, in reality, value judgements made about our children". Isn't that what she is doing also when it comes to the twins--judging them because they became teenagers and lumping them into a pre-conceived notion of how teenagers are expected to act. Saying she has to "strive to love them"? How is that not being judgmental? Yet not one of her fans thought that it was wrong on her part to make a statement like that. How will Cara and Mady feel when they read that?
As a parent and a grandparent, I may not have always liked my children or grandchildren, but I never had to "strive to love them". I've been known to say "There may be times that I don't like you or what you do, but just remember, I will always love you". Love was always unconditional-like at times was trying.
I am not defending what Jon had to say, I just don't think it was any worse than what their own mother has said. And I do firmly believe that where their children are concerned they should both just STFU. If they want to go tit for tat, leave the children out of it.
Unfortunately, both Kate and Jon feel that it's okay to use their children as pawns in their battles. Unfortunately, it is the children who are the ones that lose.
Ingrid said... 180 You are so correct. Thank you.
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