Leslie 190 and Meagler 197 -- Excellent posts! I echo franky's BRAVA!
Joy, if the party is going to feature mathematicians, count me out. Math??!! EEK!! Too bad, because I think I have a bag of veggies in my freezer that are about 3 years old. I'll just have a quiet rumspringa all by my lonesome.
Call Me Crazy -- 11+12+13 = 36. 3+6 = 9, so it works either way. Good catch!
I've done my share of fence sitting, too. Not the most comfortable of positions, I agree, but as long as it isn't "bob war", I can take it.
I think what upsets me most about Jon is how he goes back and forth. In one interview he's saying he wouldn't object to the kids being back on tv if the opportunity arose. In the next he's saying how much being on tv harmed them. I just wish he would stick with keeping them out of the limelight and stick with it. He can be so wishy washy.
Additionally, Jon may have made those statements not only because they are true but also to make his children less desirable to any potential realty show Kate manages to find. ***************************************************************** Most likely when the kids did see a therapist, this was the conclusion, BUT do you think tfw would acknowledge this and do the HARD work to fix or help the problem? Just like with LaFair, she cannot, even if she wanted to, delve into her soul, try and get some introspect. To face the truth would destroy the fantasy she's got in her head and it would mean she would have to take responsibility. WON'T EVER EVER HAPPEN. As she continues to prove time and time again.
Is it any wonder we can read TFW like a book? We lived it, didn't we ******************************************************************************** Totally agree. I've asked this question a few times and nobody will answer. To all the posters who think Jon is wrong, should have kept quiet etc. were you raised by a narcissist? Do you have one in your family? Were you abused? Sincere question, just curious.
Vanessa said... 109 Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin! Jon's turn now. And so it goes. ******************************************************
Actually it hasn't been "tit for tat", this is the FIRST time he's spoken
OT Yesterday on Dr. Phil was Pt 1 and today is Pt 2 of his interview with Amanda Berry who was held captive for 11 years by the monster Ariel Castro. I don't like Dr. Phil, but I recommend tuning in for Pt 2 today.
I thought I understood the horrors those girls endured from what I heard on the news, but it wasn't anything close to watching one of the girls talk about it herself. I want to cry just typing this. Anyway, if you can endure Dr. Phil this is one show you may want to watch.
"Developmentally, they [his children] have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people, and they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what's right and what's wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV." ----------- how much of the kids' entitlement can be attributed to being on '7 seasons', and how much is due to their mother's narcissism? KK always showed these traits, right from the start....
another question....whether Jon is right or not, wouldn't an atty advise his client NOT to make a public statement while facing litigation?
Vanessa said... 6 Is it any wonder we can read TFW like a book? We lived it, didn't we ******************************************************************************** Totally agree. I've asked this question a few times and nobody will answer. To all the posters who think Jon is wrong, should have kept quiet etc. were you raised by a narcissist? Do you have one in your family? Were you abused? Sincere question, just curious.
------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good luck with that, Vanessa. Out of the 10 of us, I'm the only one who's figured it out and acknowledges the abuse. The rest just don't want to make waves. The Golden Boy married a woman he treats like crap and the rest of them married bullies or someone as wishy-washy as they are. I put my foot down with my mother many years ago and the rest of them thought I was being horrible. It was almost fun to see my mother try to suck me back in. I'm sure I frustrated the heck out of her. As for admitting abuse, they still won't even go there. The stories I could tell would boggle your mind. So many similarities to this saga. The hitting, the fighting, the facade, the lies, the exploitation, the lack of justice and fair play, the pitting of one against the other.
From their show to CWS to Katie Couric, you can just tell that those poor kids have issues that have never been addressed. I would say they stem from both, being on TV and poor parenting, and never being taught how to handle conflict. TFW's outright lie about their development doesn't erase the fact that her kids are still violent w/ one another, that two were expelled from kindergarten for assault and that they are behind one grade level. Those are facts. And I do think that by publicly stating that they have issues, intended or not, Jon has insured that they will not be put back on TV. That's why TFW is seething/enraged,everything she always is unless she's away from her kids w/ Steevie.
I put my foot down with my mother many years ago and the rest of them thought I was being horrible. ************************************************************
PJ I hear ya! You HAVE to stand up to them. You HAVE to put them in their place. The ones in our family who tow the line, don't acknowledge the abuse are like yours-DYSFUNCTIONAL ADULTS. either victims or perps. I am by all means not saying I am perfect or the best mother out there, but I DO stop myself and reflect and make a CONCIOUS decision to NOT do/be like my mother. I read, research and take advice. Jon was lucky he COULD walk away from HER, but her kids don't have that luxury. She's made it a public spectacle he has NO choice to fight publically. How much baggage and brainwashing do these kids have to endure?
And what a FANTASTIC feeling to be able to stand up to your abuser, best thing I ever did. It gives me great satisfaction.
And I do think that by publicly stating that they have issues, intended or not, Jon has insured that they will not be put back on TV. That's why TFW is seething/enraged,everything she always is unless she's away from her kids w/ Steevie. ****************************************************************** Bingo! When she told the world that it was the divorce causing "mental issues" that was perfectly acceptable. JON JON JON...never ever has she ever even hinted that being on tv caused these "issues". Now that he's claimed it was reality tv it goes totally against what she's been crying and begging for- ANOTHER SHOW(he's taking the higher road here by NOT laying ANY blame on tfw, which we know is NOT TRUE)
Out of the 10 of us, I'm the only one who's figured it out and acknowledges the abuse. ***************************************************************** And is it just me or does it seem like these crazy women tend to have a lot of kids? I come from a family of 7.
I think TFW has brainwashed her children (especially the six) to not trust their peers, unless she is able to have the parents sign confidentiality agreements. TFW also has major trust issues. Her abuse and neglect was worse with the younger children. At least the twins are involved in activities and have friends. I believe she's afraid the six may say something regarding the abuse, neglect, filming, etc. and these minors (friends) can't sign confidentiality agreements. At least Jon is trying to take the children out, but unless they feel comfortable with making friends or being around kids their own age, they will still have problems with making real friends because of TFW's brainwashing, keeping secrets and her paranoia. They would rather talk to adults, but unfortunately all the close adults in their lives, since they were infants signed confidentiality agreements. And with all the filming, up to a ridiculous 40 episodes per season, they were only surrounded by adults for their early years, who were employed and signed confidentiality agreements. It's very sad for these kids.
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 12m @Kateplusmy8 read your latest post. Couldnt agree more. You know I'll always vouch for those amazing kids! (And their amazing mom too!) ******************** Emily . . . you are a 19 year old kid yourself, with no life experience. You have no idea what goes on in the Gosselin household or how TV has affected the Gosselin children. When you actually grow up, have life experiences, maybe have children of your own, then I may actually listen to your opinion.
I have only seen a clip of a Jon on OWN, but I have no problem with him appearing and discussing the children. He had no choice. The alternative is for Kate to continue her farting rainbows on Twitter and saying how much the kids miss filming. Her so-called cookbook tour must have been the final straw with her pleas for a TV show. He knows the kids are messed up and had to respond to her lies. Period.
Yes I agree that with Jon painting a complete opposite picture of the kids, no TV network will touch the Gosselin family now. Smart move and Kate must be seething, but she finally pushed Jon to the edge. The guy has been trying to help his kids and show them what normal parenting is like in a normal household. He had to fight fire with fire. Being silent has allowed Kate to dominate the picture she paints of herself as the greatest mom ever.
another question....whether Jon is right or not, wouldn't an atty advise his client NOT to make a public statement while facing litigation?
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Well no, because what they're talking about has absolutely no bearing or relevance to the lawsuit. The judge will not care one bit that they're having a public debate about how their kids are doing socially. This is just court of public opinion stuff. An attorney is supposed to advise you about your case. It's not really an attorney's place or expertise to tell you how to handle your ex wife or how to handle the court of public opinion. That's really for his PR team, and he has a good PR team.
I'm sure his attorney told him not to discuss the incidents Kate is alleging or discuss the computers or the hacking allegations, and he hasn't, other than to deny it and say it's been hard to get IT jobs.
And is it just me or does it seem like these crazy women tend to have a lot of kids? I come from a family of 7.
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YES! I always thought that was interesting since they didn't seem to "get" kids, enjoy time with them (unless it was some activity they were doing anyway) or have much interest in kids other than to put them on display. But, they did adore babies, so I assumed having all these kids was just a way to always have a baby around. Is it common also for narcissists to spread their children out over a long period, like 15-20 years?
I bet if Jon said they have these issues but it's all MY fault (and not reality T.V.'s), Kate would have been fine with it. After all that's what she told People in 2010. They have issues, it's just Jon's fault.
It appeared that Kate wanted Jon to suffer and be further humiliated, while his two oldest daughters were watching out of an upstairs window.
If not for that night and that phone call to the police and Kate’s threat, I probably would have never come back for Jon’s remaining belongings and found the information that I did, and learned of Kate's violent and abusive relationship with those beautiful children, and I would never have been motivated to write a book.
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I wonder what lies Kate told Cara and Mady that night when she threw out Jon.
Robert has the police report which proves she called the police on him that rainy night he was helping Jon move out. She thought she could intimidate Robert like she did Jon.
Is it common also for narcissists to spread their children out over a long period, like 15-20 years? ********************************************************************** Well of course because then the mother can pawn off responsibility to the older siblings, dressing, bath time, walking to from school...beat on you...then mother dearest can swoop in and smack the older sibling for smacking the younger one. Then the oldest finds a man who smacks her around at the age of 18 and gets the hell out of THAT hell hole just to dive into another hell hole.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2h @parker_scarlett ....thank you for your heartfelt, positive and kind words. So appreciated #thisgoesouttoALLofyou #imsogratefulforeachofyou
Was followed shortly by this:
Naughty But Nice Rob @NaughtyNiceRob 5m How Kate Gosselin Lost It All! http://wp.me/p3gPyb-89g
I wonder what lies Kate told Cara and Mady that night when she threw out Jon. ************************************************************************ whatever she told them, they weren't "lies" in her head. She probably bashed him to no end.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2h GM!Remember,the 'lesson' part of most life lessons is HOW we react/handle/respond 2 WHAT happens2us more than the event itself.. #imlearning _____________
WHAT is she learning, exactly...how to properly format a c/p job onto her PUBLIC blog??
My ex-husbands wife is a narcissist. Between them they have 6 kids, ranging from 18 to 1 week old. My daughter who is 17 remarked when she was about 12 that she thought her step mother just loved babies, and that then she grew tired of them. Mind you, it was last December that this woman got a trumped-up restraining order against my ex and she was pregnant by February. She is insane.
If not for that night and that phone call to the police and Kate’s threat, I probably would have never come back for Jon’s remaining belongings and found the information that I did, and learned of Kate's violent and abusive relationship with those beautiful children, and I would never have been motivated to write a book.
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In one interview he's saying he wouldn't object to the kids being back on tv if the opportunity arose.
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That's what PEOPLE said he said, we have no idea what his actual quote was. What he did say in quotes is that the children miss it and he just wants what's best for them and that it was true they did miss T.V. (I'm sure the missed the trips, no one disputes that). He also pointed out that things are different now, and I wonder if that was a reference to child labor laws. I don't think we'll ever know what his actual quote was or whether it was taken out of context because People refused to publish it.
This was in June 2012, and it's pretty clear now he was saying that for exactly what we suspected, to try to placate Kate and not piss her off. Why piss her off about something that is never going to happen anyway? He also used that interview to praise Kate for how good she was to have around when the kids got sick, was a good mom, etc., and he issued an apology to her. He was obviously trying to butter her up and extend an olive branch. Why not try to kill her with kindness? When obviously even that didn't work, he's back to being a hard ass about it. It's pretty clear the guy has no intention of ever approving his kids on T.V. ever again and is now sabotaging any opportunities once and for all. I don't think he changed his mind about Kate. He simply changed his strategy.
OT Yesterday on Dr. Phil was Pt 1 and today is Pt 2 of his interview with Amanda Berry who was held captive for 11 years by the monster Ariel Castro. I don't like Dr. Phil, but I recommend tuning in for Pt 2 today. __________________________
Hi Suzee. Just to clear this up, the interview is with Michelle Knight, not Amanda Berry. Michelle is the first girl Castro abducted.
And for the record, I agree with you about having to "endure" Dr. Phil!
I wonder with all the fighting, screaming and spitting etc if the kids will grow up close. I hope they do, as they may be alienated from both parents; who knows if they believe TFW's lies about their dad & other relatives.I'm sure they will want to get out of the McMansion, away from TFW at a fairly early age if they have the independence skills to liveon their own.
The Dionnes I believe lived together, at least some of them, after divorces and such, believing no one in the world could understand what their lives had been like. (Emilie died of a seizure at a young age in a convent iirc.)
Hi Kate. This is Karma Train. He just kicked you when you were down because that's how Karma rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQNJh7F7KSk
What do they mean she's leaning on a married man, financially? Are they saying Steve is paying her way? That would be so interesting if they've got information about that.
It's just my opinion, but I would like to see Jon being the primary parent of the boys in the near future for a lot of reasons. They will benefit from the time away from TFW, but I don't know if this is possible. They are the most lost and disconnected from reality in my opinion and observations. I believe TFW will take out her anger against Jon and men in general and will continue to displace this anger on her sons as they become older. She appears to have a lot of baggage towards men (her father, brother, ex-husband, possibly Steve if he's finished with her physically or emotionally) and she hasn't publicly dated anyone in four years since her divorce. I'm hoping her sons will be able to leave her toxic environment sooner than later.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 36 The cover says she is Destroyed by Fame???
OH SH%T!!! (pardon my french)
Hi Kate. This is Karma Train. He just kicked you when you were down because that's how Karma rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQNJh7F7KSk
What do they mean she's leaning on a married man, financially? Are they saying Steve is paying her way? That would be so interesting if they've got information about that.
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This is like a little snowball that is becoming a huge one rolling down hill. It hits on plastic surgery, Steve-o, and Jon's comments. Ooohh wait until Milo sees this.
I found it highly ironic that Kate was so quick to respond to Jon's comments on OWN, when Kate has spoken volumes about Jon throughout the years and he never said a word to "respond" to her allegations.
As for his words coming back to haunt the kids, according to Kate, maybe she should pay closer attention to her show when she makes the kids watch it on movie night! Does she not recall talking about how "icky boys are" or how her kids were "ruined" when they spilled ice cream on their clothing. Or how about the time that threatened to throw away Joel's (?) little stuffed toy because it had gum on it? I think those examples have damaged the children more than Jon's comments and concerns about his childrens developmental and social issues.
Hi Kate. This is Karma Train. He just kicked you when you were down because that's how Karma rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQNJh7F7KSk
What do they mean she's leaning on a married man, financially? Are they saying Steve is paying her way? That would be so interesting if they've got information about that. ***************
Well, we have all known that they are financial partners. They have a corporation together.
Well, we have all known that they are financial partners. They have a corporation together.
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Oh yeah their shady corporations like the Korean travel company, surrre.
Whatever they're put to there, that's different than depending on him financially, which is what that headline implies. Is Steve sending her checks to keep her afloat? I never considered that. The plot thickens!
Here we go again. The Kate Pity Party train has left the station. Watch the freebies roll in now!
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Nah, she will be FURIOUS that it says she has a sad life and that they dare to talk about Steve and plastic surgery. It flies in the face of everything she has said. Only a tummy tuck, happy happy happy life, and Steve is just a bodyguard.
Just to clear this up, the interview is with Michelle Knight, not Amanda Berry. Michelle is the first girl Castro abducted.
Your screenname fits the way I'm feeling right now. 'Call me crazy!' (or just plain stupid. lol) What a goof; I looked at a pic of her and typed the wrong name! Thank you for the correction.
The other thing too that happens in a snowball is more and more people get comfortable speaking up or the people who already are speaking, like Jon, get comfortable revealing more and more. The snowball gets bigger all the faster as the comfort level rises and it becomes more acceptable to say something. Somebody needs to pop the cherry, after that people will come out of the woodworks.
She set off a firestorm. Much like calling the police on Robert, her lawsuit set this off. We would not be where we are today without that lawsuit, period.
Yeah and really no one is going to pity her. The public is so over her whining and grifting. I'm sure the comments will be, once again, scathing.
Much like everyone else she pushed, she also pushed it with the public. The public was willing to help out and feel sympathy for her for awhile. She had their support in the bag for awhile there. But after awhile when someone is still crying the same story over and over and doing nothing to better their situation and is starting to sound bitter and vindictive, the public will and did lose patience. Now she just sounds ungrateful, especially given what the average American has been through the past years. No one wants to hear about her "struggle" when so many people have faced real struggles since. And, I think she made a big mistake by not getting a real job, at least for show. If you're not even willing to work a real job first before your whining no one is going to have patience for you for long.
Whatever they're put to there, that's different than depending on him financially, which is what that headline implies. Is Steve sending her checks to keep her afloat? I never considered that. The plot thickens! ****************
No wonder she flipped out about the pizza :) Biting the hand that feeds you.
The reason I thought they might be implying Steve is helping her financially is because they said she is "leaning" on him right after they said she is desperate for cash. Could be emotionally, we'll have to see the article.
She's "learning" what exactly about how to respond to things? No really, I'd like to know. Her reaction to Jon when he has let her trash him for YEARS without saying a damn thing, was immature, nasty, vindictive, outrageously hypocritical, and full of lies that could be proven as such with video evidence and her own words.
I'm still reading a while back but I had to make this comment. If it was said already then I am just echoing the same sentiment. Does Kate realize she actually agrees with what Jon said and on national television actually said the same thing herself, in different words, several years ago? I distinctly remember Kate telling the world how the kids have come to expect all the trips, gifts, freebies and toys. They ask WHEN the next trip is, not IF there is another trip. What child does that or thinks like that? A child that has been taught to or feels entitled to. The other thing that bothered me about that comment was Kate didn't seem upset by what her children say. It was kind of matter of fact or accepted as normal. That is so not normal and she should have been alarmed at the entitled behavior. She enables the entitled behavior, encourages it. I would be mortified and think I had done something very wrong as a parent for my children to speak like that. Oh the irony, Kate. Jon said the same thing you did only more eloquently and has concerns about concerning behavior. Oh the horror!
Vanessa said... 16 Out of the 10 of us, I'm the only one who's figured it out and acknowledges the abuse. ***************************************************************** And is it just me or does it seem like these crazy women tend to have a lot of kids? I come from a family of 7. November 6, 2013 at 6:07 AM ================================== Yes Vanessa and yes to Admin. My mother was only interested in babies. Once you could think for yourself you were turfed aside and a new baby took your place. She even did it with her grandchildren. Oh, the stories I could tell...
I wouldn't call our family close. There are different factions at any given time. It depends on who's in the room. I learned a long time ago that none of them will ever have my back or each others. When I was raising my kids the one thing that made me go ballistic was one picking on/bossing the other. I wouldn't allow it. THAT was my hot button.
Yes! This woman's obsession with her grandchildren is beyond even the outer limits of normal. You would think she gave birth to them herself. Out with the old awkward teens, in with the new babies. It's creepy.
They always insisted babies were good for the older children because it helped them with teen angst. The truth was most of the kids were terribly resentful and bitterly jealous of the younger kids, and it took years before they could even begin to understand it wasn't the babies' faults and have a normal sibling relationship with the younger ones. One even moved across the country at 17, got a job as a bartender and didn't come back for 6 years, once the youngest kids were old enough that the narcissist had lost interest again. Then it was safe again.
I don't think fom the headline and cover photo that Kate is responsible for that new "In Touch" article. I bet it is based on anonymous sources and a compilation of other tabloid stories. Robert still has connections. This is war. Go Robert! This could be a buildup to his book release.
Oh my. That Karma Train is chugging out of the station now. Looking at her face, this is certainly not a sought after rebuttal. And seeing the words 'costly plastic surgery' splashed all over the cover, no, there must be great seething in PA today. Should have kept your pie hole shut Katie Irene, you are, once again, your own worst enemy. And the PR folks at TLC are no longer at your disposal. Spin it, Milo, can't wait.
I do not think Steve has cash to give her but he could be not charging her when they travel and maybe cut some deal in their business dealings. Steve has got to realize that she is finished. I wonder how much off the deep end she will fall when he bails, because he will.
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Joy, if the party is going to feature mathematicians, count me out. Math??!! EEK!! Too bad, because I think I have a bag of veggies in my freezer that are about 3 years old. I'll just have a quiet rumspringa all by my lonesome.
Call Me Crazy -- 11+12+13 = 36. 3+6 = 9, so it works either way. Good catch!
I've done my share of fence sitting, too. Not the most comfortable of positions, I agree, but as long as it isn't "bob war", I can take it.
Here's a good article on Kate's response to Jon's interview.
http://www.boston.com/ae/blogs/mediaremix/2013/11/jon_gosselin_to_oprah_raising.html
I think what upsets me most about Jon is how he goes back and forth. In one interview he's saying he wouldn't object to the kids being back on tv if the opportunity arose. In the next he's saying how much being on tv harmed them. I just wish he would stick with keeping them out of the limelight and stick with it. He can be so wishy washy.
Additionally, Jon may have made those statements not only because they are true but also to make his children less desirable to any potential realty show Kate manages to find.
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Most likely when the kids did see a therapist, this was the conclusion, BUT do you think tfw would acknowledge this and do the HARD work to fix or help the problem? Just like with LaFair, she cannot, even if she wanted to, delve into her soul, try and get some introspect. To face the truth would destroy the fantasy she's got in her head and it would mean she would have to take responsibility. WON'T EVER EVER HAPPEN. As she continues to prove time and time again.
Is it any wonder we can read TFW like a book? We lived it, didn't we
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Totally agree. I've asked this question a few times and nobody will answer. To all the posters who think Jon is wrong, should have kept quiet etc. were you raised by a narcissist? Do you have one in your family? Were you abused? Sincere question, just curious.
Vanessa said... 109
Two wrongs don't make it right. Tit. for. tat. Let it begin!
Jon's turn now. And so it goes.
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Actually it hasn't been "tit for tat", this is the FIRST time he's spoken
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It's the 3rd or 4th time he's given an interview. Again, it's The War of the Gosselins with 8 innocents inbetween.
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This last post wasn't from me! But this is my response:
Sorry-THREE OR FOUR for Jon as compared to NUMEROUS NUMEROUS for twf.
Yay Robert!
Here's a good article on Kate's response to Jon's interview.
http://www.boston.com/ae/blogs/mediaremix/2013/11/jon_gosselin_to_oprah_raising.html
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Ooh that WAS good
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Yesterday on Dr. Phil was Pt 1 and today is Pt 2 of his interview with Amanda Berry who was held captive for 11 years by the monster Ariel Castro. I don't like Dr. Phil, but I recommend tuning in for Pt 2 today.
I thought I understood the horrors those girls endured from what I heard on the news, but it wasn't anything close to watching one of the girls talk about it herself. I want to cry just typing this. Anyway, if you can endure Dr. Phil this is one show you may want to watch.
"Developmentally, they [his children] have problems with their peers, and they have problems with talking to other people, and they have problems with wants and needs and manners and morals and what's right and what's wrong. I think more so than someone who grows up off TV."
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how much of the kids' entitlement can be attributed to being on '7 seasons', and how much is due to their mother's narcissism? KK always showed these traits, right from the start....
another question....whether Jon is right or not, wouldn't an atty advise his client NOT to make a public statement while facing litigation?
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Is it any wonder we can read TFW like a book? We lived it, didn't we
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Totally agree. I've asked this question a few times and nobody will answer. To all the posters who think Jon is wrong, should have kept quiet etc. were you raised by a narcissist? Do you have one in your family? Were you abused? Sincere question, just curious.
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Good luck with that, Vanessa. Out of the 10 of us, I'm the only one who's figured it out and acknowledges the abuse. The rest just don't want to make waves. The Golden Boy married a woman he treats like crap and the rest of them married bullies or someone as wishy-washy as they are. I put my foot down with my mother many years ago and the rest of them thought I was being horrible. It was almost fun to see my mother try to suck me back in. I'm sure I frustrated the heck out of her. As for admitting abuse, they still won't even go there. The stories I could tell would boggle your mind. So many similarities to this saga. The hitting, the fighting, the facade, the lies, the exploitation, the lack of justice and fair play, the pitting of one against the other.
PJ
From their show to CWS to Katie Couric, you can just tell that those poor kids have issues that have never been addressed. I would say they stem from both, being on TV and poor parenting, and never being taught how to handle conflict. TFW's outright lie about their development doesn't erase the fact that her kids are still violent w/ one another, that two were expelled from kindergarten for assault and that they are behind one grade level. Those are facts.
And I do think that by publicly stating that they have issues, intended or not, Jon has insured that they will not be put back on TV. That's why TFW is seething/enraged,everything she always is unless she's away from her kids w/ Steevie.
I put my foot down with my mother many years ago and the rest of them thought I was being horrible.
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PJ I hear ya! You HAVE to stand up to them. You HAVE to put them in their place. The ones in our family who tow the line, don't acknowledge the abuse are like yours-DYSFUNCTIONAL ADULTS. either victims or perps. I am by all means not saying I am perfect or the best mother out there, but I DO stop myself and reflect and make a CONCIOUS decision to NOT do/be like my mother. I read, research and take advice. Jon was lucky he COULD walk away from HER, but her kids don't have that luxury. She's made it a public spectacle he has NO choice to fight publically. How much baggage and brainwashing do these kids have to endure?
And what a FANTASTIC feeling to be able to stand up to your abuser, best thing I ever did. It gives me great satisfaction.
And I do think that by publicly stating that they have issues, intended or not, Jon has insured that they will not be put back on TV. That's why TFW is seething/enraged,everything she always is unless she's away from her kids w/ Steevie.
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Bingo! When she told the world that it was the divorce causing "mental issues" that was perfectly acceptable. JON JON JON...never ever has she ever even hinted that being on tv caused these "issues". Now that he's claimed it was reality tv it goes totally against what she's been crying and begging for- ANOTHER SHOW(he's taking the higher road here by NOT laying ANY blame on tfw, which we know is NOT TRUE)
Out of the 10 of us, I'm the only one who's figured it out and acknowledges the abuse.
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And is it just me or does it seem like these crazy women tend to have a lot of kids? I come from a family of 7.
I think TFW has brainwashed her children (especially the six) to not trust their peers, unless she is able to have the parents sign confidentiality agreements. TFW also has major trust issues. Her abuse and neglect was worse with the younger children. At least the twins are involved in activities and have friends. I believe she's afraid the six may say something regarding the abuse, neglect, filming, etc. and these minors (friends) can't sign confidentiality agreements. At least Jon is trying to take the children out, but unless they feel comfortable with making friends or being around kids their own age, they will still have problems with making real friends because of TFW's brainwashing, keeping secrets and her paranoia. They would rather talk to adults, but unfortunately all the close adults in their lives, since they were infants signed confidentiality agreements. And with all the filming, up to a ridiculous 40 episodes per season, they were only surrounded by adults for their early years, who were employed and signed confidentiality agreements. It's very sad for these kids.
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 12m
@Kateplusmy8 read your latest post. Couldnt agree more. You know I'll always vouch for those amazing kids! (And their amazing mom too!)
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Emily . . . you are a 19 year old kid yourself, with no life experience. You have no idea what goes on in the Gosselin household or how TV has affected the Gosselin children. When you actually grow up, have life experiences, maybe have children of your own, then I may actually listen to your opinion.
Marie
I have only seen a clip of a Jon on OWN, but I have no problem with him appearing and discussing the children. He had no choice. The alternative is for Kate to continue her farting rainbows on Twitter and saying how much the kids miss filming. Her so-called cookbook tour must have been the final straw with her pleas for a TV show. He knows the kids are messed up and had to respond to her lies. Period.
Yes I agree that with Jon painting a complete opposite picture of the kids, no TV network will touch the Gosselin family now. Smart move and Kate must be seething, but she finally pushed Jon to the edge. The guy has been trying to help his kids and show them what normal parenting is like in a normal household. He had to fight fire with fire. Being silent has allowed Kate to dominate the picture she paints of herself as the greatest mom ever.
TFW's brainwashing, keeping secrets and her paranoia
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another question....whether Jon is right or not, wouldn't an atty advise his client NOT to make a public statement while facing litigation?
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Well no, because what they're talking about has absolutely no bearing or relevance to the lawsuit. The judge will not care one bit that they're having a public debate about how their kids are doing socially. This is just court of public opinion stuff. An attorney is supposed to advise you about your case. It's not really an attorney's place or expertise to tell you how to handle your ex wife or how to handle the court of public opinion. That's really for his PR team, and he has a good PR team.
I'm sure his attorney told him not to discuss the incidents Kate is alleging or discuss the computers or the hacking allegations, and he hasn't, other than to deny it and say it's been hard to get IT jobs.
And is it just me or does it seem like these crazy women tend to have a lot of kids? I come from a family of 7.
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YES! I always thought that was interesting since they didn't seem to "get" kids, enjoy time with them (unless it was some activity they were doing anyway) or have much interest in kids other than to put them on display. But, they did adore babies, so I assumed having all these kids was just a way to always have a baby around. Is it common also for narcissists to spread their children out over a long period, like 15-20 years?
I bet if Jon said they have these issues but it's all MY fault (and not reality T.V.'s), Kate would have been fine with it. After all that's what she told People in 2010. They have issues, it's just Jon's fault.
Excerpt from Robert's post:
It appeared that Kate wanted Jon to suffer and be further humiliated, while his two oldest daughters were watching out of an upstairs window.
If not for that night and that phone call to the police and Kate’s threat, I probably would have never come back for Jon’s remaining belongings and found the information that I did, and learned of Kate's violent and abusive relationship with those beautiful children, and I would never have been motivated to write a book.
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I wonder what lies Kate told Cara and Mady that night when she threw out Jon.
Robert has the police report which proves she called the police on him that rainy night he was helping Jon move out. She thought she could intimidate Robert like she did Jon.
Is it common also for narcissists to spread their children out over a long period, like 15-20 years?
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Well of course because then the mother can pawn off responsibility to the older siblings, dressing, bath time, walking to from school...beat on you...then mother dearest can swoop in and smack the older sibling for smacking the younger one. Then the oldest finds a man who smacks her around at the age of 18 and gets the hell out of THAT hell hole just to dive into another hell hole.
On the Twitter feed this:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2h
@parker_scarlett ....thank you for your heartfelt, positive and kind words. So appreciated #thisgoesouttoALLofyou #imsogratefulforeachofyou
Was followed shortly by this:
Naughty But Nice Rob @NaughtyNiceRob 5m
How Kate Gosselin Lost It All! http://wp.me/p3gPyb-89g
Yes, good article.
http://www.boston.com/ae/blogs/mediaremix/2013/11/jon_gosselin_to_oprah_raising.html
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Marie
I wonder what lies Kate told Cara and Mady that night when she threw out Jon.
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whatever she told them, they weren't "lies" in her head. She probably bashed him to no end.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2h
GM!Remember,the 'lesson' part of most life lessons is HOW we react/handle/respond 2 WHAT happens2us more than the event itself.. #imlearning
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WHAT is she learning, exactly...how to properly format a c/p job onto her PUBLIC blog??
My ex-husbands wife is a narcissist. Between them they have 6 kids, ranging from 18 to 1 week old. My daughter who is 17 remarked when she was about 12 that she thought her step mother just loved babies, and that then she grew tired of them. Mind you, it was last December that this woman got a trumped-up restraining order against my ex and she was pregnant by February. She is insane.
If not for that night and that phone call to the police and Kate’s threat, I probably would have never come back for Jon’s remaining belongings and found the information that I did, and learned of Kate's violent and abusive relationship with those beautiful children, and I would never have been motivated to write a book.
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There you go-Newton's Law
In one interview he's saying he wouldn't object to the kids being back on tv if the opportunity arose.
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That's what PEOPLE said he said, we have no idea what his actual quote was. What he did say in quotes is that the children miss it and he just wants what's best for them and that it was true they did miss T.V. (I'm sure the missed the trips, no one disputes that). He also pointed out that things are different now, and I wonder if that was a reference to child labor laws. I don't think we'll ever know what his actual quote was or whether it was taken out of context because People refused to publish it.
This was in June 2012, and it's pretty clear now he was saying that for exactly what we suspected, to try to placate Kate and not piss her off. Why piss her off about something that is never going to happen anyway? He also used that interview to praise Kate for how good she was to have around when the kids got sick, was a good mom, etc., and he issued an apology to her. He was obviously trying to butter her up and extend an olive branch. Why not try to kill her with kindness? When obviously even that didn't work, he's back to being a hard ass about it. It's pretty clear the guy has no intention of ever approving his kids on T.V. ever again and is now sabotaging any opportunities once and for all. I don't think he changed his mind about Kate. He simply changed his strategy.
OWN repeat of Jon's segment on Friday, Nov. 8 at 9 pm.
Suzee said... 10
OT
Yesterday on Dr. Phil was Pt 1 and today is Pt 2 of his interview with Amanda Berry who was held captive for 11 years by the monster Ariel Castro. I don't like Dr. Phil, but I recommend tuning in for Pt 2 today.
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Hi Suzee. Just to clear this up, the interview is with Michelle Knight, not Amanda Berry. Michelle is the first girl Castro abducted.
And for the record, I agree with you about having to "endure" Dr. Phil!
http://www.boston.com/ae/blogs/mediaremix/2013/11/jon_gosselin_to_oprah_raising.html
This is a must read over morning coffee. Thank you for the link, and thank you for the blog piece. Holier than thou POS - our Kate.
Oh. My.
http://gossipdavid.com/2013/11/06/new-in-touch-cover-kate-gosselins-sad-new-life/
Do you think he was forced to play nice with Kate to get an increase in custody time and therefore a reduction in monthly child support?
I wonder with all the fighting, screaming and spitting etc if the kids will grow up close. I hope they do, as they may be alienated from both parents; who knows if they believe TFW's lies about their dad & other relatives.I'm sure they will want to get out of the McMansion, away from TFW at a fairly early age if they have the independence skills to liveon their own.
The Dionnes I believe lived together, at least some of them, after divorces and such, believing no one in the world could understand what their lives had been like. (Emilie died of a seizure at a young age in a convent iirc.)
The cover says she is Destroyed by Fame???
OH SH%T!!! (pardon my french)
Hi Kate. This is Karma Train. He just kicked you when you were down because that's how Karma rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQNJh7F7KSk
What do they mean she's leaning on a married man, financially? Are they saying Steve is paying her way? That would be so interesting if they've got information about that.
It's just my opinion, but I would like to see Jon being the primary parent of the boys in the near future for a lot of reasons. They will benefit from the time away from TFW, but I don't know if this is possible. They are the most lost and disconnected from reality in my opinion and observations. I believe TFW will take out her anger against Jon and men in general and will continue to displace this anger on her sons as they become older. She appears to have a lot of baggage towards men (her father, brother, ex-husband, possibly Steve if he's finished with her physically or emotionally) and she hasn't publicly dated anyone in four years since her divorce. I'm hoping her sons will be able to leave her toxic environment sooner than later.
localyocul said... 34
Oh. My.
http://gossipdavid.com/2013/11/06/new-in-touch-cover-kate-gosselins-sad-new-life/
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Here we go again. The Kate Pity Party train has left the station. Watch the freebies roll in now!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 36
The cover says she is Destroyed by Fame???
OH SH%T!!! (pardon my french)
Hi Kate. This is Karma Train. He just kicked you when you were down because that's how Karma rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQNJh7F7KSk
What do they mean she's leaning on a married man, financially? Are they saying Steve is paying her way? That would be so interesting if they've got information about that.
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This is like a little snowball that is becoming a huge one rolling down hill. It hits on plastic surgery, Steve-o, and Jon's comments. Ooohh wait until Milo sees this.
I found it highly ironic that Kate was so quick to respond to Jon's comments on OWN, when Kate has spoken volumes about Jon throughout the years and he never said a word to "respond" to her allegations.
As for his words coming back to haunt the kids, according to Kate, maybe she should pay closer attention to her show when she makes the kids watch it on movie night! Does she not recall talking about how "icky boys are" or how her kids were "ruined" when they spilled ice cream on their clothing. Or how about the time that threatened to throw away Joel's (?) little stuffed toy because it had gum on it? I think those examples have damaged the children more than Jon's comments and concerns about his childrens developmental and social issues.
Hi Kate. This is Karma Train. He just kicked you when you were down because that's how Karma rolls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQNJh7F7KSk
What do they mean she's leaning on a married man, financially? Are they saying Steve is paying her way? That would be so interesting if they've got information about that.
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Well, we have all known that they are financial partners. They have a corporation together.
Marie
Well, we have all known that they are financial partners. They have a corporation together.
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Oh yeah their shady corporations like the Korean travel company, surrre.
Whatever they're put to there, that's different than depending on him financially, which is what that headline implies. Is Steve sending her checks to keep her afloat? I never considered that. The plot thickens!
I think they mean emotional support. Supposedly he's not on the payroll yet he goes to book signings with her? Weird.
PDMan said... 41
localyocul said... 34
Oh. My.
http://gossipdavid.com/2013/11/06/new-in-touch-cover-kate-gosselins-sad-new-life/
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Here we go again. The Kate Pity Party train has left the station. Watch the freebies roll in now!
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Nah, she will be FURIOUS that it says she has a sad life and that they dare to talk about Steve and plastic surgery. It flies in the face of everything she has said. Only a tummy tuck, happy happy happy life, and Steve is just a bodyguard.
http://gossipdavid.com/2013/11/06/new-in-touch-cover-kate-gosselins-sad-new-life/
The little boy in the inset photo sure doesn't look "so happy" as Kate smashes her hand down on his head to keep him under control for the picture.
"They were so happy" my butt.
Just to clear this up, the interview is with Michelle Knight, not Amanda Berry. Michelle is the first girl Castro abducted.
Your screenname fits the way I'm feeling right now. 'Call me crazy!' (or just plain stupid. lol) What a goof; I looked at a pic of her and typed the wrong name! Thank you for the correction.
The other thing too that happens in a snowball is more and more people get comfortable speaking up or the people who already are speaking, like Jon, get comfortable revealing more and more. The snowball gets bigger all the faster as the comfort level rises and it becomes more acceptable to say something. Somebody needs to pop the cherry, after that people will come out of the woodworks.
She set off a firestorm. Much like calling the police on Robert, her lawsuit set this off. We would not be where we are today without that lawsuit, period.
Ha, Suzee! Not stupid at all! I think we've all had times when our fingers have typed faster than our brains have thought!
Yeah and really no one is going to pity her. The public is so over her whining and grifting. I'm sure the comments will be, once again, scathing.
Much like everyone else she pushed, she also pushed it with the public. The public was willing to help out and feel sympathy for her for awhile. She had their support in the bag for awhile there. But after awhile when someone is still crying the same story over and over and doing nothing to better their situation and is starting to sound bitter and vindictive, the public will and did lose patience. Now she just sounds ungrateful, especially given what the average American has been through the past years. No one wants to hear about her "struggle" when so many people have faced real struggles since. And, I think she made a big mistake by not getting a real job, at least for show. If you're not even willing to work a real job first before your whining no one is going to have patience for you for long.
Whatever they're put to there, that's different than depending on him financially, which is what that headline implies. Is Steve sending her checks to keep her afloat? I never considered that. The plot thickens!
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No wonder she flipped out about the pizza :) Biting the hand that feeds you.
Marie
The reason I thought they might be implying Steve is helping her financially is because they said she is "leaning" on him right after they said she is desperate for cash. Could be emotionally, we'll have to see the article.
She's "learning" what exactly about how to respond to things? No really, I'd like to know. Her reaction to Jon when he has let her trash him for YEARS without saying a damn thing, was immature, nasty, vindictive, outrageously hypocritical, and full of lies that could be proven as such with video evidence and her own words.
I'm still reading a while back but I had to make this comment. If it was said already then I am just echoing the same sentiment. Does Kate realize she actually agrees with what Jon said and on national television actually said the same thing herself, in different words, several years ago?
I distinctly remember Kate telling the world how the kids have come to expect all the trips, gifts, freebies and toys. They ask WHEN the next trip is, not IF there is another trip. What child does that or thinks like that? A child that has been taught to or feels entitled to. The other thing that bothered me about that comment was Kate didn't seem upset by what her children say. It was kind of matter of fact or accepted as normal. That is so not normal and she should have been alarmed at the entitled behavior. She enables the entitled behavior, encourages it. I would be mortified and think I had done something very wrong as a parent for my children to speak like that. Oh the irony, Kate. Jon said the same thing you did only more eloquently and has concerns about concerning behavior. Oh the horror!
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Out of the 10 of us, I'm the only one who's figured it out and acknowledges the abuse.
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And is it just me or does it seem like these crazy women tend to have a lot of kids? I come from a family of 7.
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Yes Vanessa and yes to Admin. My mother was only interested in babies. Once you could think for yourself you were turfed aside and a new baby took your place. She even did it with her grandchildren. Oh, the stories I could tell...
I wouldn't call our family close. There are different factions at any given time. It depends on who's in the room. I learned a long time ago that none of them will ever have my back or each others. When I was raising my kids the one thing that made me go ballistic was one picking on/bossing the other. I wouldn't allow it. THAT was my hot button.
PJ
She even did it with her grandchildren.
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Yes! This woman's obsession with her grandchildren is beyond even the outer limits of normal. You would think she gave birth to them herself. Out with the old awkward teens, in with the new babies. It's creepy.
They always insisted babies were good for the older children because it helped them with teen angst. The truth was most of the kids were terribly resentful and bitterly jealous of the younger kids, and it took years before they could even begin to understand it wasn't the babies' faults and have a normal sibling relationship with the younger ones. One even moved across the country at 17, got a job as a bartender and didn't come back for 6 years, once the youngest kids were old enough that the narcissist had lost interest again. Then it was safe again.
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I don't think fom the headline and cover photo that Kate is responsible for that new "In Touch" article. I bet it is based on anonymous sources and a compilation of other tabloid stories. Robert still has connections. This is war. Go Robert! This could be a buildup to his book release.
It's becoming an avalanche
http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2013/kate-gosselin-greed-completely-destroy-empire-photo-1106/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+celebritydirtylaundry-Celeb+Dirty+Laundry
http://gossipdavid.com/2013/11/06/new-in-touch-cover-kate-gosselins-sad-new-life/
Oh my. That Karma Train is chugging out of the station now. Looking at her face, this is certainly not a sought after rebuttal. And seeing the words 'costly plastic surgery' splashed all over the cover, no, there must be great seething in PA today. Should have kept your pie hole shut Katie Irene, you are, once again, your own worst enemy. And the PR folks at TLC are no longer at your disposal. Spin it, Milo, can't wait.
I do not think Steve has cash to give her but he could be not charging her when they travel and maybe cut some deal in their business dealings. Steve has got to realize that she is finished. I wonder how much off the deep end she will fall when he bails, because he will.
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