The show, which also features other reality has-beens like Taylor Armstrong and Farrah Abraham, premieres this January. Here's Vh1's press release:
VH1 HEADS BACK TO THE THERAPIST COUCH WITH A FOURTH SEASON OF VH1 COUPLES THERAPY
Dr. Jenn Berman is Back as Therapist and Host for the Series
LOS ANGELES, CA – Relationships are hard enough, but imagine the pressure of having your hook ups, “bumps” on the relationship road and breakups as fodder for the tabloids. More and more, it seems couples whose matters of the heart play out in the public eye are calling it quits and throwing in the towel on their relationships. Why is it so tough for these couples to stay together? Looking to shed light on the issue, VH1 will examine the complicated and often misunderstood world of high-profile relationships with VH1 Couples Therapy.
In season 4 of Couples Therapy we will get a look at four-and-a half couples who are facing very complicated issues never before discussed on the show made even more complicated when half of one couple is a no-show. Taylor Armstrong (RHoBH) & John Bluher, Farrah Abraham (Teen Mom), Ghostface Killah (Rapper) & Kelsey Nykole, Whitney Mixter (The Real L Word) & Sara Bettencourt (The Real L Word) and Jon Gosselin (Jon & Kate + Eight) & Liz Janetta will all take a seat on Dr. Jenn Berman’s couch. “VH1 Couples Therapy” is set to premiere January, 2014 with 8, one-hour episodes on VH1.
From the producers of Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, VH1 Couples Therapy is the first reality show to examine firsthand the real life experiences of a group of buzzed-about couples. For some of these couples, living under constant scrutiny from the media and fans makes it increasingly hard for them to stay together and VH1 wants to see why they can’t seem to go the distance. These four-and-a-half couples, at a crossroads in their relationships, will join together for over 2 weeks as they undergo intensive relationship therapy. Under the guidance of Dr. Jenn Berman, a nationally renowned relationship therapist, the couples will participate in group and individual therapy along with relationship exercises out in the “real world” to see if they can rekindle the love they used to have for one another — or if it’s simply time for them to move on.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 550 Newer› Newest»(Leslie) I am just sitting here thinking that Jon and Kate were most blessed with 8 very healthy wonderful kids. They were further blessed by TLC showering them with millions. And here it is going on 2014 and Jon and Kate are trainwrecks regarding his lack of money and her greed of money. When these kids are adults and up to it, they literally could go sit in a room for 12 hours every day and it would take them months to read and watch all the stuff that their parents have pulled since they were born. Tons of TV interviews, magazine articles, blogs, late night comics mocking them, newspaper articles, VHI show, Celebrity Swap, etc.
Both of them have left a terrible legacy and embarrassment for their kids. And frankly, I don't think the filming itself will have that much of a negative impact on their lives. The greatest impacts will be all the above mentioned that just goes on and on and on. I want to scream at both of them to just stop it. Go away for good. You both have bad reputations in the public eye. The media is laughing at both of you and have little respect for both. It really is insanity. For heavens sake, they are simply parents. Period. That is it folks. They both don't get it.
TMZ has a brief interview with Jon in LA.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/13/jon-gosselin-gun-paparazzi-couples-therapy/
OT: Doctors taking care of Amanda Bynes have asked and received an emergency conservatorship for an immediate, extended 30 day hospital stay, before the conservatorship hearing Friday morning.
According to the law, doctors can only get such an order if the patient is "gravely disabled as a result of a mental disorder."
link: http://preview.tinyurl.com/meogovy if link doesn't work, it is on People.com.
Wonder where Kate is? She's either on a vaca or shes getting more plastic surgery done. That's the only time she twitter silent. Cant wait to see which one it is! God my life is boring!
Robert says she has millions in the bank and Jon said she is sitting on a pile of money so if we were to assume that is true, we know and lawyers could prove that that money wouldn't be there if the kids hadn't earned it FOR TFW. It should be enough to support them nicely until they're old enough to send their mother off to Hollywood where she'll never be seen or heard from again.
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Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in PA. The child who wants to be emancipated must show proof of income, which means a job, and the ability to support himself...much enters into this, not only take care of himself financially, but be mature enough to function in society. I seriously doubt that in the case of the girls, they would be able to provide a home and parent their siblings. This means their socialization skills must be on the same level as an adult/parent who would apply for custody of a minor child. They could have millions in a trust account that they could claim as belonging to them, but if, emotionally and socially they would be unable to parent six teenagers (which is what the six would be at that time) it wouldn't happen.
LOL maybe KK's in the closet and Steve's trying to get her out and that's why she hasn't tweet rain bows in the last 72 hours,
I wonder how long Jon and WOS grifted....we know WOS put out the tape to get a tv show....but going back farther than that, seems like they had a website asking for stuff like cribs, clothing, diapers, and a VAN, of all things....
WOS went on record saying people sent them money in the mail, left them packages on their doorstep, etc...and don't forget the plea for a second year of the free baby nurse, or the hundreds of volunteers--and mean good grief, she even had someone fold and iron her laundry. REALLY???
I wonder if they received goodies like this when they had the twins, and it just wasn't publicized or asked about after they hit public awareness?
(the twins also were on scholarship to the private school, so maybe grifting was going on before?)
Didn't Jon's dad give them money for a down payment on a house?
JON said that Kate pays medical expenses. Why would he lie about it?
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The kids are entitled to medical care through the PA CHIP program. Whether or not Kate is using it is anyone's guess.
R said... 4
Wonder where Kate is? She's either on a vaca or shes getting more plastic surgery done. That's the only time she twitter silent. Cant wait to see which one it is! God my life is boring!
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Compared to WOS, boring is good!! LOL
Everyone on this blog said WOS would be her own undoing....and by filing this lawsuit, she put the nail in her OWN coffin. If Robert is telling the truth (and Jon, too) she will be crucified by her own words...her journal.
Media outlets love a trainwreck, but I don't think they have reached the level of depravity to give a child abuser a platform.
The karma train has finally left the station and is headed her way.
I can't take it. Jon and Kate deserve each other. Do they realize you can live your whole life and NEVER need to be on tv? Is ANYONE paying attention to the kids or do both parents just spend all their time looking for tv shows? I'm sure some will disagree but they are bad parents.
I think Jon is immature in that he had the 8 kids young and was used to Kate calling ALL the shots so he is relatively 'new' at parenting alone.(although he did all the physical care)
While I think this new show is a mistake, and I hope the celebrity doesn't go to his head as it did before, it's his choice.Funny, he sounded so gung-ho about the restaurant & plans for its improvement, as well as his quiet life and privacy. Wonder if he asked the kids- the twins may be familiar with Farrah.
Sorry, but I would be very ticked if I was a taxpayer in the great state of PA, and those kids were on the CHIP program. Their parents have gone through or are sitting on millions, they live in a million dollar house and go to an exclusive private school - they should NOT qualify for that benefit until the lifestyle is scaled back. Hopefully they are not on that program; government at every level is already strapped as it is. I work in social services and it fries my butt that people come in Escalades and have acrylic nails and smart phones. So many people seem to think that the government takes care of their basics and their discretionary income is to do whatever they want with. Totally backwards thinking.
FRP
Ex Nurse said... 62
''...My enabling comment was too harsh--it is more like a denial of reality. IMO, that is why so many people have expressed a feeling of betrayal--they had what they thought was a coherent picture of who he is, and then, something like this seems to come out of nowhere. It is actually quite traumatic, and I am sorry that good people who have invested considerable time and support of Jon have been let down by him. I know what it is like to feel this kind of betrayal, and I wish no one ever had to experience this in their lives. Jon has lost a lot today, whether he knows it or not.''
''Although his behavior seems random, it actually is 100% predictable, based on the patterns of behavior that we have already seen. He clearly cycles through phases of some very disturbing behavior. Attempts to rationalize his behavior, are useless. Jon has always been his worst enemy.''
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Ex Nurse, as you know, we disagree on just about everything you say. The point I want to make about theses comments is pretty simple. I'm a huge supporter of Jon, but no way in hell am I feeling personally ''betrayed'', or somehow dealing with the ''trauma'' of ''being let down by him''. That just sounds really strange to me!
Jon is not a member of my family, a friend, a neighbor, or even a friend of a cousin's ex-wife. Jon and I have no real life connection at all, therefore I can read about him and talk about him and speculate about what Jon does without it affecting my personal life in any way.
I have had real life ''betrayals'' and trauma, so I have experienced such things, but the bottom line is that my real life is one thing, and discussing Jon in a gossipy way is quite another thing altogether! MY wish is that you could somehow find a way to do the same.
I would not have been opposed to him appearing in DWTS because it is pure, wholesome entertainment with a large audience 191
Wasn't it Kate who prevented this from happening?
lukebandit said... 3
OT: Doctors taking care of Amanda Bynes have asked and received an emergency conservatorship for an immediate, extended 30 day hospital stay, before the conservatorship hearing Friday morning.
According to the law, doctors can only get such an order if the patient is "gravely disabled as a result of a mental disorder."
link: http://preview.tinyurl.com/meogovy if link doesn't work, it is on People.com.
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The article is dated back in August. Amanda's been in the hospital since then. Here's the latest article:
http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/05/amanda-bynes-conservatorship-court-rehab-mother-guardianship-christmas/
Apparently she's doing better.
Lucille said... 174
You can't have typed that with a straight face. He buys them food for the few days a month he sees them and has clothes for them. Medical care? That's on Kate. School? That's on Kate. Extracurricular activities, if there are any? Those are on Kate. It is not a 50/50 arrangement and you cannot spin it to become one
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While I don't know the exact number of days Jon has the children, it is not "a few" days per month, but closer to a 50/50, or perhaps 60/40 split. It is a big deal to feed 8 children on those days. My ex doesn't do this now, but several years ago, he would take our son to dinner once a week, as father-son time. Even that one day per week, roughly 4 days per month, made a difference in my grocery bill.
As to the private school, it does raise an interesting question. Can one parent force another parent, especially one with limited financial means, to pay half the bill for a private school for their 8 children? What if the other parent simply cannot afford to pay half that tuition? Wouldn't a judge take that into account and say that one parent cannot force the other one into bankruptcy, when there is a perfectly fine option available - public school, which is free?
As to extracurricular activities - how do you know that only Kate would pay for such things? (I think we have all seen that she doesn't really seem to put the kids into extra activities, because they are too busy working like slaves around the homestead.) People (not posters here, but actual locals) have tweeted about seeing Jon around town with his kids, out for ice cream, out for a day at the park, etc. So certainly, when he takes his kids out to do something fun, he pays for that.
Still, this is all sound and fury. Divorced parents rarely split the cost of raising their children equally, even when they have 50/50 custody.
I have been in deep financial debt. It's a really lousy place to be, not to mention stressful. If someone had tossed me an opportunity to do some short gig that would have paid off all my debt, plus maybe left me with something to tuck into the bank for a rainy day, and it was only me that had to appear on an embarrassing show - I probably would have jumped at the opportunity. I don't look down on anyone who is in a deep financial hole, for doing something that might be demeaning or embarrassing (but legal) to get out of it. Heck, you could say that people who appear on Family Feud embarrass themselves. People who appear on Let's Make a Deal dress in ridiculous costumes and may still walk away with $1. People who go on Survivor or Fear Factor or any of these reality shows, expose themselves to ridicule, endless discussion on online forums, etc.
Considering what these children have already experienced, I really can't work up outrage at him choosing to do this dumb reality show, that involves him and Liz. Besides, I think most of the attention of the show will be directed to those who create the most drama, and I bet it won't be Jon and Liz. Maybe they'll be there to provide comic relief, as they both seem to act goofy at times.
This means their socialization skills must be on the same level as an adult/parent who would apply for custody of a minor child.
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Actually I think both Mady and Cara's socialization skills far excede those of Kate. At any rate, my post was just wishful thinking and mostly snark. I really doubt they would go to court to emancipate themselves or their brothers and sisters from their parents, but ya never know.
However, a lot of kids DO run away from home at a younger age than 16.
I swear..if shes lounging on the Gulf of Mexico I will be jealous. It's freezing here. Boy ...she must have some stash put away to live this lifestyle without a job. We all know she hates the cold...why doesn't she move to a warmer climate. If I had her cash I know I would and then forget all of these silly notions about Hollywood. How she puts up with this constant scrutiny is a mystery to me...especially if she doesn't have to. Famewhores..go figure
Remona Blue said:
I'm a huge supporter of Jon, but no way in hell am I feeling personally ''betrayed'', or somehow dealing with the ''trauma'' of ''being let down by him''.
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Yes, this. I have followed this saga a long time, but I don't feel emotionally invested in the doings of either J or K. I comment upon them, I criticize or applaud, or otherwise compare/contrast what they do to what I might do in a similar situation. But it doesn't really affect me. I do care for the children's well being, but as I can do nothing one way or the other, I cannot get personally caught up in their lives either.
Hi all,
Finally back after my much anticipated "me-kend" (thanks to the poster who coined that phrase - so perfect). I got some much needed down time, girl time with my BF and I even got a couple of long neglected chores done. Couldn't sleep in the wee hours one morning and was washing windows before the sun was even up. It was great.
Thanks again to all who offered suggestions for how to fill the hours and stave off any loneliness and miss them moments. They were very helpful.
Anywho, back to the most recent development in what is beginning to feel like a never ending saga of "those poor little rich kids".
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...(155)
"No I understand he could be in a very bad situation, but what would he do if he could no get a reality T.V. show like Kate can't, or what would he do if reality T.V. shows go away, cease to be fashionable, as they slowly are anyway? He would have to figure it out just like everyone else figures out their financial woes. He is not the first person to have financial struggles. Many people have been there and they manage to crawl themselves out somehow without resorting to bad things like reality T.V., prostitution, stealing or anything else suspect."
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Exactly! What would Jon have done if another reality show wasn't an option? IMO, it does seem very much like Jon is prostituting himself and his GF by signing up for this reality show.
How do you in one breath say that your children have a myriad of social issues as a result of their participation on reality t.v. and in the next, sign on for a reality show.
Someone else said it (sorry, was a lot to read and I couldn't keep track of who said what) and I wholeheartedly agree...it totally smacks of do as I say, not as I do.
Is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?
Whatever his reasons, I don't think they're good enough (and yes, I'm fully aware that my opinion really means squat) and I highly doubt that his children will come out of it unscathed by the experience whether they are filmed/discussed or not.
Also, I don't get the glee about Kate seething and being fighting mad that Jon got another shot at the reality ring while she hasn't despite her efforts.
Perhaps many of you don't understand what it's like to have a raging narcissist as a parent but I bet dollars to donuts that those kids know all about it and know just how she feels about it. Poor kids, again caught in the crossfire between parents who can't seem to keep their mugs off t.v.
A two minute televised interview, a call in radio show spot or a write up on a parenting blog are one thing. Those are benign, almost subtle ways to set records straight.
A reality television program where the intimate details of their father's relationship will be exploited and sensationalized for nothing but a fat pay check...I have two words, COP OUT.
For the record, I've always maintained that my interest in this saga is totally for the children's sake. I've never been overtly pro or anti Jon, though I will concede that I'm totally anti Kate.
Oh and I don't get the poo-pooing all over Ex-Nurse's posts. One of the more reasonable, objective, let's look at this discerningly posters, she provides an, often needed, rational perspective.
She said herself just when she was starting to understand the support of Jon, he goes and does this. Her reaction seems reasonable, fair and totally in line with her stance all along.
Again, all of this is just my perhaps not so humble opinion.
And Ex-Nurse, I'm sorry to hear about the asthma and your ribs...owie. I hope you heal fast and are breathing easier.
He's only recently come out of the woodwork. The timing is interesting.
Admin, (and the other legal eagles here) could this even be possible?
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Not a legal eagle, but very familiar with non-competes. The exclusivity clauses can remain in effect for a pre-determined time, after the contract ends. So, if the contract actually ended in 2011, for example, and there was a 2-year non-compete following the termination of the contract, the the non-compete would drop off in 2013.
Seems like he made some kind of veiled reference to that on the round table interview. Also, he has hire a PR firm--why would he need that if there was no interest in working in entertainment?
Sherri just putting it out there but many of ex nurse's posts harp on the same point and seem more an effort to wear down those who don't agree until they give up. I also see many passive aggressive snide remarks about the posters here. For instance the remark that the posters here enable Jon and give him a heroic narrative. Don't expect anyone to respond positively to something as snide and off the wall as that. It sets a bad tone and is the explanation I have for why she is not received as warmly as most other posters are.
How do you in one breath say that your children have a myriad of social issues as a result of their participation on reality t.v. and in the next, sign on for a reality show.
Someone else said it (sorry, was a lot to read and I couldn't keep track of who said what) and I wholeheartedly agree...it totally smacks of do as I say, not as I do.
Is that not the very definition of hypocrisy?
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That's an easy one. Children put on a reality show BY THEIR PARENTS are too young to have any say in the matter. They are being exploited by their parents, by the filming company, by the media and are not mature enough, by any means, to know what is being done to them, and why.
An adult who puts himself/herself on such a show should know exactly what he is getting himself into, and should be mature enough to deal with those things accordingly. It's not hypocrisy at all.
I think the hypocrisy comes in when the parent talks about how the children have developmental issues because of reality TV and then in the next breath, signs on to DO a reality TV show which will again bring attention to his whole family, including the children. And the children will be subjected to hearing all about their father's relationship issues in the media. Not cool.
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Jon spending two weeks (8 episodes) on a reality tv show, no matter how good or crappy it is, will not affect those kids as much as:
1. Their being on television most of their childhoods
2. Their mother turning them against their father
3. Their mother continuing to pimp them out for a quick buck
They are already going to read (if mommy hasn't told them) about his exploits right after the divorce. They will read years of tabloids and blogs about themselves and both of their parents. Years of tabloids will paint their mother in a much better light than their father. She's only lately begun to get a lot of negative press. That's all Jon has gotten since the divorce.
But I digress ...
I guess what I'm saying is ... they are already going to need therapy ... I don't think anything Jon does at this point is going to make a bit of difference. And if he finds himself wanting to do this tv show and it makes him happy ... more power to him.
I don't live my life to please anyone else, and I don't expect anyone else to.
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Sorry, but I would be very ticked if I was a taxpayer in the great state of PA, and those kids were on the CHIP program. Their parents have gone through or are sitting on millions, they live in a million dollar house and go to an exclusive private school - they should NOT qualify for that benefit until the lifestyle is scaled back.
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PA CHIP is different than Medicaid. CHIP will cover all PA kids (on a sliding scale basis) who don't qualify for Medicaid and who have no other access to health insurance. So a millionaire like Kate could get CHIP for the kids, but based on her income it might cost her -$1300+ a month.
I do hope I live long enough to read those kids' Tell All books :-) because I bet there will be a few written.
I like Jon, a lot. I understand why he was behaving in such a wild way when he first got out of Kate's grips. He truly was a survivor behaving like a survivor. He did also say he was under TLC contract still and had to do some things due to the contract...like some of the trips he did, etc.
We often saw him so flustered when he tried to talk that what he said and how he said it totally bombed. Anyway, maybe we will see a much different man, better able to talk and think about what he is saying. I am sorry it will be on Couples Therapy, because that show is such trash, but hopefully we will see a very matured person. I hope so, anyway. I will watch bits of that show, but it is much too much to take it all in at once.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...(22)
"Sherri just putting it out there but many of ex nurse's posts harp on the same point and seem more an effort to wear down those who don't agree until they give up. I also see many passive aggressive snide remarks about the posters here. For instance the remark that the posters here enable Jon and give him a heroic narrative. Don't expect anyone to respond positively to something as snide and off the wall as that. It sets a bad tone and is the explanation I have for why she is not received as warmly as most other posters are."
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Fair enough. Like I said, it was a lot to read and I must have missed any insult to other posters. I certainly don't condone that sort of thing. I do maintain however that I appreciate her pragmatic approach.
Over And Out said...(23)
"That's an easy one. Children put on a reality show BY THEIR PARENTS are too young to have any say in the matter. They are being exploited by their parents, by the filming company, by the media and are not mature enough, by any means, to know what is being done to them, and why.
An adult who puts himself/herself on such a show should know exactly what he is getting himself into, and should be mature enough to deal with those things accordingly. It's not hypocrisy at all."
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Okay, I see your point though I would still call it hypocrisy. He condemns the exploitation of his children by a parent, by a filming company and by the media then sets himself up for said exploitation.
Doesn't make it any less exploitation just because you agree to it. In fact, that's where it becomes prostitution, if you think about it.
And that's a great example to set for his children. Can't make ends meet, kids? Just do a reality stint on t.v. Sell the brand.
Right now, in my mind, he has as much credibility as Kate whether he talks about the kids or not. I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, I don't mean to.
This is just what I think about this particular development.
*pearls firmly clutched in hand* (for dramatic effect)
"Won't someone please think of the children!"
Seriously though, these two yahoos need to get their acts together and focus on learning how to co-parent 8 beautiful, didn't ask to be born into this mess, kids.
That's the bottom line.
I do hope I live long enough to read those kids' Tell All books :-) because I bet there will be a few written.
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I just hope I live long enough to hear what Robert has to say about Milo's identity -- is it Kate, Steve, a friend of Kate hired by Kate herself -- or just some anonymous Catfisher sitting in a facility somewhere getting the last laugh until those lights go out at 11 p.m.?
And the children will be subjected to hearing all about their father's relationship issues in the media. Not cool.
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Or maybe they are like my child and many others I know - not really interested in their father's relationship but rather more interested in their own lives. Children are by nature very self-absorbed. I'm not sure the Gosselin kids will be sitting down to watch the show, or discussing it with their friends over lunch. The last topic of conversation my son would ever have with his friends is anything to do with his mom's life, dating or otherwise. So uncool!
Chippy (26) said..."So a millionaire like Kate could get CHIP for the kids, but based on her income it might cost her -$1300+ a month."
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It depends on what she claims as "income." In her situation, she could finagle something, but proving income might be a bit tricky. You're right in that Chip is not Medicaid. It's intended for ALL children in the state, regardless of their family's income, but the greater the income, the more that is paid each month.
Somehow Jon has convinced himself that doing this show is a good idea.
Maybe to show the kids that when relationships are in trouble counseling may be a lifesaver, especially since their mother was never willing to go.
Maybe he's doing it for the money. Maybe as a springboard to something bigger in the future.
Whatever his reasons, he's delusional to think this is the right thing to do. Jon and Kate's poor decisions year after year lead me to believe they have both chalked the kids up as nothing more than casualties in their quest for easy money.
For instance the remark that the posters here enable Jon and give him a heroic narrative. Don't expect anyone to respond positively to something as snide and off the wall as that.
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Exactly, admin. Not to mention that many of those passive-aggressive remarks make some posters feel that they are just too dumb to "get it." That doesn't sit well with many of them.
Hoosier Girl said... 27
I do hope I live long enough to read those kids' Tell All books :-) because I bet there will be a few written.
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Have you ever wondered what would have happened to those kids if they had never been on a reality show? Would they have survived with that raging narcissist or would Jon have fled and taken them with him? I don't think TFW would have been able to handle all the responsiblity without a myriad of helpers. Maybe she would've been the one to leave.
I do care for the children's well being, but as I can do nothing one way or the other, I cannot get personally caught up in their lives either.
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Well, in that case, I guess we can eliminate you as being Milo! ;-)
Thank you PA people for clearing up the CHIP thing, and I do understand it's not Medicaid, but it is most likely subsidized by the government somehow, and in this case, I think private insurance is more appropriate. $1300 is not that much for 8 kids.
FRP
AuntieAnn said... 35
Have you ever wondered what would have happened to those kids if they had never been on a reality show? Would they have survived with that raging narcissist or would Jon have fled and taken them with him? I don't think TFW would have been able to handle all the responsiblity without a myriad of helpers. Maybe she would've been the one to leave.
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No I hadn't, but that's interesting to ponder ...
I wonder if Jon & Kate would still be miserably living together? If either one of them would have jobs?
I bet Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin would still be around ...
Over And Out said... 30
I just hope I live long enough to hear what Robert has to say about Milo's identity --
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Oh, I want to live long enough to see that also!
PA CHIP is different than Medicaid. CHIP will cover all PA kids (on a sliding scale basis) who don't qualify for Medicaid and who have no other access to health insurance. So a millionaire like Kate could get CHIP for the kids, but based on her income it might cost her -$1300+ a month.
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WOS has access (and can afford) to health insurance for herself, so I don't see how the state of Pa would let her use the state of PA's insurance program...
and besides income, would the state of PA look at assets as well? (a mansion and 3 cars hardly qualifies, imo)
I just hope I live long enough to hear what Robert has to say about Milo's identity
Out of all of this, that's what I really want to know, too. Who is Milo????
Not details like her street address and such...I just want to know is it TFW, someone she hired, Steve, Deanna, Carla, a stranger. I want to know the relationship between this person and TFW/the other people in TFW's life.
This probably says oodles about me that I am more curious as to Milo's identity than I care about Jon's new trash tv venture. The children are off tv, their lives are being shaped more by their narcissist mother, who would be just as crazy if the cameras were there. This is their lot in life, and their father is also who he is. It is none of my business what either of them do, and as a bystander in this virtual discussion, happy to not feel all that passionate about their lives. I have my own life for that.
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Kylie said... 116
Ex nurse, you are really tiresome. Yes, we ALL understand you can't stand Jon. We get it. I can feel your glee thinking this decision will bring him crashing to earth. Could you ever just let something go?
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No glee--just not at all surprised. My heart breaks for their kids--I really don't care about either parent at this point. I don't dislike Jon, but, IMO, he has serious relationship ssues. Since he has been in the limelight, except for TFW, his relationships seem to go from "soulmate" to breakup within a year or 2. I am curious about what his relationships were like before he met TFW.
She is extremely controlling, and he was submissive--my guess is that it was initially comfortable to just do what he was told, and, of course that suited him just fine. They had kids right away, or else, that marriage may have ended within a year or 2, too. That's my guess, anyway. I think that is his pattern.
Millicent said... 31
And the children will be subjected to hearing all about their father's relationship issues in the media. Not cool.
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Or maybe they are like my child and many others I know - not really interested in their father's relationship but rather more interested in their own lives. Children are by nature very self-absorbed. I'm not sure the Gosselin kids will be sitting down to watch the show, or discussing it with their friends over lunch. The last topic of conversation my son would ever have with his friends is anything to do with his mom's life, dating or otherwise. So uncool!
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But has your son or any of his friends grown up in the spotlight that the Gosselin children have? They know they are famous...you can be sure Mommy G has made sure of that.
Photo shoots, cameras, boom mikes, crews, not a nannies up the ying yang, watching DVD's of their shows...TLC, DWTS, CWS...they know.
They know they are different, they know they're not just normal kids and it remains to be seen how they will, in the end, process of all this.
I certainly don't think it's fair to compare their experience to any child who hasn't experienced what they have.
How many links would come up if your child Googled his name?
Remona Blue said...
Ex Nurse, as you know, we disagree on just about everything you say. The point I want to make about theses comments is pretty simple. I'm a huge supporter of Jon, but no way in hell am I feeling personally ''betrayed'', or somehow dealing with the ''trauma'' of ''being let down by him''. That just sounds really strange to me!
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Glad to hear that Remona. I was addressing people who were very shocked, upset, felt sucker-punched and trying to make sense of this latest decision. I think that many people who have invested emotional energy and time do feel betrayed. That is what I heard, anyway. Not everyone feels as drawn in on the same level.
If you don't relate to something I said, by all means comment! But saying "no way in hell" ands "sounds very strange", feels like a personal attack on me. I thought you were not going to respond to my comments?
If Jon's out of pocket cost are even close to $100,000 before lawyer fees, what do you all suggest he do? Do we really know what it's like to be offered say $200,000 to spend a couple weeks baring your soul (and it could all be fake) on TV and walk out with enough money to be free of that crushing debt that Kate is foisting on him by this lawsuit? He has to pay his legal fees. He can't enter a payment plan with every expert witness. If it doesn't involve the kids, I'd do it if I was as desperate as Jon is. The only other option would be to defend himself or have a cut-rate lawyer like his case with TLC and we all know how horribly that turned out. This is 100% Kate's fault. If the kids are hurt by this stupid, tasteless show it's because Kate poked him one too many times. I wish Jon well.
WOS has access (and can afford) to health insurance for herself, so I don't see how the state of Pa would let her use the state of PA's insurance program...
and besides income, would the state of PA look at assets as well? (a mansion and 3 cars hardly qualifies, imo)
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Angie, CHIP has a website. Perhaps the answer can be found there.
Angie it's available to everyone no matter how rich you are. Socialized medicine.
Ex nurse, no one is asking you to leave. Just trying to explain why you aren't being successful here. Even your comment just now that you understand why people react this way because they were overly invested is not only patronizing, but also implies that if only those poor saps just would not be so emotional, they would see things my way. What you never seem to understand is that just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they aren't just as emotionally stable and intelligent and fact based as yourself. Not every different opinion can be written off that way and it got tiring after while to constantly hear the posters here told that when it just wasn't true. The irony is I assumed you were the one overly invested since you could never let anything go, but I never said that until you accused the posters if it. The fact of the matter is I think most people here support good decisions for the kids and decry bad ones. There is nothing emotional about that even if it feels that way. That's just trying to put the kids first.
Revisiting the many extensions from Razzie to Mr. Tuma's motion to dismiss... another sticking point might be Kate's invasion of privacy charge. If she wants to continue with that complaint, she needs to admit that is her journal and it wasn't altered, correct? As usual, she wants it both ways. She wants to claim her privacy was invaded, but she doesn't want to own up to writing about her horrific treatment of the children and her unquenchable greed.
Mel said... 41
I just hope I live long enough to hear what Robert has to say about Milo's identity
Out of all of this, that's what I really want to know, too. Who is Milo????
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What I would like to know is the what is the relationship between Kate and Steve.
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I agree with you. I think this show is just a means to an end for Jon. TFW has continued to bait and bully him, even 4 years after the divorce. Then came the lawsuit. Jon just had to take all her crap, and lacked the funds to do anything (legally) about it. I think his comment about reaching a breaking point was his way of saying he will not just take it any longer. He will find a way to fight back. TFW's attacks have escalated, and the lawsuit, I think, was the last straw. Jon has been in a very difficult financial situation for a long time, so this show is the difference between letting her destroy him in court, even though he didn't do anything wrong, and fighting back. I doubt that this show is something he really wanted to do, but it offered him the resources to defend himself, so he signed on. He was able to get a great attorney, he was able to throw up a roadblock in TFW's attempts to ruin him, and if it gives him some extra cash to dig himself out of debt, too, then maybe he just couldn't say no.
TFW is out to get Jon. I have no doubt at all that she found a way to put a stop to him doing DWTS. Notice that there was no information about this show put out at all until after he and Liz flew to LA and were probably well into filming. It was kept quiet so TFW couldn't mess it up for him. Once they were a week into a two-week filming schedule, there's not much of a chance that he'll be taken out.
I hope and pray that Jon and Liz behave with some dignity on this show. I don't want it to become another embarrassment to the kids. Hopefully J&L will be the "normal" couple, perhaps talking about finding a balance between their relationship and their need to be parents, step-parents, work their jobs, all the while dealing with one of them being a semi-public figure. Maybe looking for help in finding time for each other with their busy lives. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I hope I'm not disappointed. The fact that they both have kids from previous marriages will come up--that's a given. But I hope that, other than acknowledging that fact, the kids are not brought into it. But if Jon pulls some diva crap like TFW, or makes the kids a big part of this, then he will lose all goodwill in my book. Let's hope that he loves the kids enough to pull this off with dignity, and this doesn't become yet another debacle the kids will have to live down.
I see that the news bots are finally filling up TFW's timeline about the Couples Therapy. Hopefully the Jennifer Lawrence haircut will finally die off soon...lol.
I had lunch with a divorced friend today, and I see so many parallels between her situation and what I believe to be the situation with Jon and TFW. My friend (S) has been divorced for 5 years, after her husband of 15 years left her for a "more successful" woman. He wanted a big lifestyle, and found a woman who made a lot of money, and he was gone. He has a good job, too, but S's income is modest. Their two kids are with S. Since the divorce, the kids are constantly reminded that their father and his new wife can give them so much, can buy them things and take them places that their mother can't afford. They have referred to S as a "have-not" to the kids, they make fun of S's modest house and her car. When S objects, her ex laughs at her and says, "Don't like it? Take me to court. Oh, that's right, you can't afford it. So put up with it".
I imagine that's a lot like the situation between TFW and Jon. It's soul-crushing. S's ex uses his money to control her and bully her, just like TFW does to Jon. S's ex demands last-minute visitation changes, and if S objects, her ex files for custody and takes her to court. He loses each time, but he accomplishes what he really wants--every time she objects to something he does, he uses money to bully her. He knows it puts her in a difficult financial position, but that's exactly what he's trying to do. He is punishing her for daring to say no to him.
I guess this is why I trying to give Jon the benefit of the doubt with this new show. How can you live like that, year after year, and not become desperate to fight back? How far would you go to be able to regain some control and stop the bullying? It looks (to me) like Jon is living the same nightmare that S is, year after year after year. I can see how he would be willing to do anything to make it end. This show offered him the ability to stand up and reclaim control of his life. It sounds like a sleazy show. He had to have been desperate. If he can pull it off with some dignity, though, I completely understand why he decided to do it. It's a means to an end. Being on the receiving end or a non-stop reign of terror by someone who has the means and the desire to crush your spirit and make your life a living hell could push someone to go to extremes. I'm just praying that he can do this without any negative effects on the kids.
What I would like to know is the what is the relationship between Kate and Steve.
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He's her handler. He handles her.
Sorry for the long posts. I'm chatty today, I guess.
PatK said... 53
I see that the news bots are finally filling up TFW's timeline about the Couples Therapy. Hopefully the Jennifer Lawrence haircut will finally die off soon...lol.
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Can someone please explain to this old bird just what the purpose is with these , (or any) bots? Doesn't make any sense to me.
Have I missed something? Milo and Goody have had nothing to say about Jon & Liz going to Hollywood? I imagine Kate is locked in her bedroom texting her lawyers.
I don't get the bots myself. I guess anyone can pay for bots to tweet about certain key words. Sounds like a waste of money.
Layla said... 54
I had lunch with a divorced friend today, and I see so many parallels between her situation and what I believe to be the situation with Jon and TFW. My friend (S) has been divorced for 5 years, after her husband of 15 years left her for a "more successful" woman.
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You put into words exactly what I was thinking. TFW has been clubbing Jon at the knees for 4 years. She has used her money as a weapon.
This isn't 2010, it's 2013. I think he tried, I think he tried very hard for a very long time to take the high road. To fight fire with fire he needs money. Sadly, that's what it takes. At the end of the day, we don't really know the whole story. We have to trust that he is doing what he needs to do for the best interest of the kids. He is being sued in Federal court. He has to defend himself and thank God he has competent representation this time, instead of the string of bozos he had before. I was disapointed too when I first heard about Couples Therapy. But I can't say that I blame him. I can't imagine what he's gone through having to deal with TFW these last 4 years.
Mel 41 said
I just hope I live long enough to hear what Robert has to say about Milo's identity
Out of all of this, that's what I really want to know, too. Who is Milo????
Not details like her street address and such...I just want to know is it TFW, someone she hired, Steve, Deanna, Carla, a stranger. I want to know the relationship between this person and TFW/the other people in TFW's life.
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I'd like to know too! LOL
Someone on one of these article comment threads thought it might be WOS's mother.
I think that would be interesting....
hmmmm....
I'd like to know the significance of the two necklaces she's worn for years now....gifts from purseboy?
Ex Nurse said... 45
''If you don't relate to something I said, by all means comment! But saying "no way in hell" ands "sounds very strange", feels like a personal attack on me. I thought you were not going to respond to my comments?''
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Well, when you're right, you're right, I did say that I wasn't going to respond to your comments. However, I also had a (''unless'') in there if I remember correctly. My response fits in the (''unless'') column.
''No way in hell'' and ''sounds very strange'' are about ME, and in no way a personal attack on you.
For the record, I am saying right now that I am from this post forward going to respond to some of your comments.
Have I missed something? Milo and Goody have had nothing to say about Jon & Liz going to Hollywood? I imagine Kate is locked in her bedroom texting her lawyers.
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Well, that's quite odd!
The only thing I could think of is that Kate's twitter silence means maybe she's up to an equally trashy reality show? She can't very well criticize Jon if she's up to the same thing. She is being awfully quiet and still is as of press time.
Thanks Layla. Your post is exactly how I feel that Jon is trying to get his life back and for Kate to just stop. She never will, of course. She will be after him until she draws her last breath. I feel bad for the kids when they are grown with their own families and have to walk on eggs around their mother on holidays, weddings, birthdays, etc. That woman is pure evil.
I'd like to know the significance of the two necklaces she's worn for years now....gifts from purseboy?
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She explained that some time ago, I believe. Gifts from someone in production, or the network, or a manager, I can't remember exactly who it was.
Emily and Milo are concerned about Kate's Twitter silence...
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 1h
@Kateplusmy8 hmnnn could our mamaG be up to something this week or just the typical busy mama routines?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 58m
@EmCr68 @Kateplusmy8 U just never know...when all is quiet...hmmm, she's definitely NOT in sleep mode! #AlwaysOnTheMoveMomOfEight :)
You gotta peer in those windows, Gladys, and find out what she's up to!
Maybe Milo hasn't heard about Jon's new venture. She's too busy trying to figure out why Kate is quiet. I would think, though, that with all of the communicatin they do in private, she'd know exactly where Kate is.
Layla thank you for sharing your perspective on your friend. I think there's a lot to be said for nasty nasty divorces putting you in a place you've never been and perhaps most of us have fortunately never been through. I may feel this is too risky of a decision to risk hurting the kids over it, but I'm always open to understanding what of surely many things led to this point, and that includes a long history of a bitter breakup and everything that happened in between. I still firmly believe this show would not have happened but for the lawsuit reigniting the fires.
Maybe Milo hasn't heard about Jon's new venture. She's too busy trying to figure out why Kate is quiet. I would think, though, that with all of the communicatin they do in private, she'd know exactly where Kate is.
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I don't care where Kate is but I sure do think it's fun to watch how the sheeple react to certain things. I'm guessing their subdued reaction to this news is because they haven't gotten the signal from the MIA former wife yet. After all technically they are between a rock and a hard place since Kate herself quite clearly explained that only a reality show best provides for the children and that Jon's job is mediocre. So what to do when Jon actually does what Kate wanted and get a reality show? Are they contradicting Kate by saying he shouldn't do this? Or, what if Kate is up to similar trash? So I can see how a poor sheep might be confused. Come on Kate, pop in and help them.
Wow, took 1 day off..
backddoor Farrah?
How dare she?
farrah died with grace.
Uruguay
Franky
So I can see how a poor sheep might be confused. Come on Kate, pop in and help them.
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LOL, admin! They do have a dilemma, don't they? Nothing worse than not knowing if they need to sound the alarm to gather at their muster stations.
I watched 2 videos today, the first was an Inside Edition video where Liz was introduced as Jon's "new love” in 2012. The second, was today's TMZ clip of Jon talking about "Couples Therapy". These two videos seemed to have a common denominator for me, and it's Jon's mixture of sincerity and naïveté.
I wonder if Jon is using this reality program to show his willingness to save a relationship (as he wanted to do with TFW) while picking up some cash in the process. On Liz's part it could be any number of things. She might want fame herself, or perhaps she just wants to stick up for Jon (thus exposing Kate), or wants the easy money too, who knows?
Jon (and Liz) have their reasons, but whatever they may be will have repercussions. It is this shortsighted thinking that has the majority of us shaking our heads.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 55
What I would like to know is the what is the relationship between Kate and Steve.
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He's her handler. He handles her.
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I thought he was her closet handler?
Or Boob handler?
OrangeCrusher1 said... 58
Have I missed something? Milo and Goody have had nothing to say about Jon & Liz going to Hollywood? I imagine Kate is locked in her bedroom texting her lawyers.
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I think Steven locked her in the closet with a chair up against the door.
The comments on that TMZ vid that Radar has up are harsh. Jon must have thick skin to open himself up this kind of microscope.
And so it begins.....
Wonder when we'll see Kate's rebuttal on GMA or some other show.
Kate may have started this all by suing Jon but Jon had the moral responsibility to rise above it as a father. 8 pairs of eyes are watching him and learning......nothing.
Let's keep some perspective. TFW's two media ops this past year, CWS and Katie Couric, dragged the kids out front and center. So as 'passionately disappointed' as many of you are with Jon, and however trashy this VHS1 gig might be, it does not put a camera on the children.
Millicent...Love your comments. You always say what I'm thinking but you say it so much better than I would. Thanks.
Couples Therapy is a show I've never watched and I don't intend to even though Jon will be on. I do look forward to Admin.'s recaps however. I will not judge him as I don't know his reasons for agreeing to this and it's also none of my business. As far as the kids go, he may have discussed this with them. Who knows. I think therapy is in the future for them no matter what. As far as TFW, if she can find an outlet to be on TV that doesn't involve the kids, I say have at it. But unfortunately for her, that doesn't seem to be happening.
Well, that's quite odd!
The only thing I could think of is that Kate's twitter silence means maybe she's up to an equally trashy reality show? She can't very well criticize Jon if she's up to the same thing. She is being awfully quiet and still is as of press time.
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Can you imagine if the producers could have gotten TFW, and not this Farrah person, to be the"half" couple? Oh my. Her wish to get back on TV would have come true, AND she would have had another opportunity to crush Jon's coconuts in front of a viewing audience of strangers. Now THAT would have been quite the spectacle.
Perhaps k8'S twitter silence is due to her making an appearance with Jon and Liz on couples's therapy? You know, since they both admit that their relationship as former spouses needs work. Now that would be some must see TV!
Ha, Ha, Just a thought! We both had the same idea at the same time!
Ugh I hope KK isn't on CT with Jon & Liz.
TFW will show up soon, spouting about how busy she's been with being the mother of eight...yeah, count 'em, eight...and what SuperAmazingishFun they've been having planning for the upcoming holiday. Or somesuch bull manure.
This will be to cover up the fact she's been curled up in a ball in her bedroom because someone (who wasn't supposed to) snagged a tv gig and she has not.
In the meantime, I suspect the six sheep have been circulating DMs or emails amongst themselves agreeing to form a protective circle of Twitter silence about the big news until TFW herself acknowledges that this horrible thing has happened.
Don't the sheeple know that TFW had to file for an extension in court yesterday? She only gets another week, but it seems that she and her lawyer are having some trouble coming up with an answer to Tuma's rebuttal. They need to come up with some reason to NOT dismiss the charges, and if all they have is the fact the she "believes" that something happened, well--that's not going to cut it when they are faced with such concrete facts as the statute of limitations being long over. If TFW is doing anything at all besides huddling with her lawyers, then she is throwing this lawsuit in the gutter. Time to get busy or drop it. I don[t doubt, however, that she is trying desperately to get Jon's show shut down. No matter what is going on with the lawsuit, she will take the time to try to destroy this for him.
She has only been twitter silent since Sunday night. She's either too busy and frustrated to tweet or she''s trying to get the sheeple talking about her instead of Jon.
Suggestion for Remona: move on. Ex nurse baits people, twists their words and tries to get a rise out of them so she can argue. Don't give her what she wants by responding; hopefully she'll eventually learn to play nicely.
No, Kate wouldn't show up on this show......or would she????
Orange, you make a good point. I think the idea this is harmful to the kids is based strictly on an inference that somehow the kids will hear about this and be hurt and embarrassed. That is, in fairness, speculation, although I believe it to be reasonable speculation. Anything is possible, and it's always possible the kids won't even know about the show or if they did won't really care in the slightest.
Not only are Millicent's comments that kids don't care about your relationships true, but I believe and have directly observed kids of celebrities care even LESS because parents going on T.V. is normal and usually boring to them. This is not dad's first time on T.V. It's his 250th time. Surely they care more about school and friends. This is no different than any parent with a job that might seem glamorous to outsiders. To a kid who has grown up with it, it's just what dad does and is no big deal. Like if you were a toddler when your dad became president, it's just all you've ever known.
This is admittedly, quite different than actually putting the kids themselves on T.V., which is much easier to say is direct harm. It could be worse, you are right about that. At the end of the day, Celebrity Wife Swap and Katie Couric were worse, because they were forced to troop out there and perform directly. The bright side of this is, I suppose, it could be worse.
In response to Katie (84)...
I didn't think about it before, but you might be correct about that. Moreover, it could be that the condescending tone of the posts upsets some people and makes them feel like they are incapable of logical thinking. If that's the case, it seems that the best thing to do is not read the posts and therefore not respond. Better than setting the blood pressure soaring!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
this show......or would she????
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On one of last interviews she said she'll do ANY show she's up for ANYTHING.
That plus a paycheck and time with Steve I say yes she would show up.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
''No, Kate wouldn't show up on this show......or would she????''
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Of course TFW would show up...she would do it in a heartbeat! I can just see her, demanding entrance, while screeching 'Don't you know who I am? If you don't allow me to give my side of the story, I will sue you!!'
John appearing on Couples Therapy will be much less obtrusive in the Gosselin kids life than the show with Kate and the Playboy Bunny trading homes for a while. Also, the crook book is much more intrusive on the kids than their dad doing this dumb show. And how about the things Kate wrote about her kids in that book I Just Want You To Know. Certainly private things about each child caused a lot of problems for them. Jon may just realize how much he will share and will not share. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and trust his instincts.
It would be a hoot if Kate was cast on a future Couples Therapy in the same role as Farrah Abraham...you know, the 1/2 a couple? That would be her, 1/2 a couple.
Amy Roloff made fish tacos on the last episode and they looked delicious. The ingredients looked so clean and fresh, she had some bright green avocados and tons of cilantro, and everyone was chowing down. This sort of thing even if staged gives her cookbook credibility in a way Kate has never been able to do.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
No, Kate wouldn't show up on this show......or would she????
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If she does she'd better bring Steve with her. Boy that would be a show to watch. Isn't it about time Steve came clean about a few things like why he's still around and why she hasn't kicked him to the curb yet? He seems to be the exception to Kate's usual pattern of use and toss. He's the ONLY one who's stayed with her since 2007. I'll bet Jon has a few questions he'd like to ask him.
First Layla, glad your fine son is back home with you, and getting better with family around him, I thank him for his brave service as well.
Remona, I totally agree with you, as I always do. You say the things I want to say, but you say them better. And ex nurse scares me most of the time, and yes, even has made me feel stupid. I would never try to reply to her comments. Never.
This is how I feel about what Jon is doing- TFW's Big Mouth=Jon Finally Snapping. Walk a mile in his shoes before you are able to judge him.
Wasn't TFW on Dr. Drew's show on t.v.? Wonder if she kicked Jon while on that show? I also wonder what pre-teen Maddy learned from viewing The Girls Next Door? I watched just twice, and could not believe this show was on t.v.. Wonder what she was re-playing in her young brain when Kendra, from that show, ended up being her substitute mom for that week?
And let's not also forget which parent twitters all sort of things about the kids, especially what they 'say'. And twitters pics, too. Again, while I wish JG was not heading back to reality tv, this two week stint hardly puts him in the same category as TFW. If you think so, well, we can all have opinions here, but this hardly bothers me.
How many links would come up if your child Googled his name?
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Actually, a whole lot because (to my surprise) there are a lot of people, some of them fairly well known, that share my son's first and last name. Of course, I know you meant how many hits would be actually about my son, and the answer is only one or two, and then very far down on the Google search.
Since none of us know the G children personally, none of us can say for sure what they think of their dad doing a reality show about couples therapy. Perhaps because they were on a show and had their private lives made very public, they would be even less likely to want to discuss anything to do with reality tv with their friends, and maybe the students at their school understand this. In a way, they have a disability. Their fellow students can understand that this might be a sensitive subject and steer clear of it.
handinhand said:
Whatever his reasons, he's delusional to think this is the right thing to do. Jon and Kate's poor decisions year after year lead me to believe they have both chalked the kids up as nothing more than casualties in their quest for easy money.
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Do you really believe that for Jon, his 8 children are "nothing more than casualties" in his quest for easy money? This, after Jon has basically kept himself out of the spotlight for a couple of years, gained more custody time with his kids, put his twitter on private, and works at a variety of mediocre jobs to make ends meet? This, after seeing Jon interact with his children in a loving, playful and parental manner during the run of the show. This, after reading local's who twitter about seeing Jon out and about with his kids, having a good time?
You really think he sees them as "nothing more than casualties" in his quest for easy money? I am seriously asking, because that's quite a remark in light of all the love and affection we've seen between Jon and the children (while seeing almost none at all between their mother and the children).
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and trust his instincts.
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After my initial reaction of "whaaa???" and pretty much writing him off, I'm now going to wait and see. A lot of you have given me a different perspective on exactly "why maybe" he's doing this. It's just he was having such great momentum, coming across as shedding that doofus caricature of himself. I'm more upset at the "choice of show" than the fact he's doing a show again. Someone pointed out that we had a preconceived notion of how the CWS was going to turn out, having TWO bimbos on, low and behold Kendra came across as genuine caring NORMAL mother.
Will keep my opinion on the fence until it airs.
Ex nurse baits people, twists their words and tries to get a rise out of them so she can argue.
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Just reading from the bottom up, but am wondering if ex-nurse addressed her post about "where did the 5 year contract discussion come from???" when it was verified that it came from her?
Wow, took 1 day off..
backddoor Farrah?
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Her name IS Farrah and "the back door" reference is, well...you know
I REALLY don't think it's a diss on Farrah Fawcet
TFW has flat out refused and stated publicly that she would never do another show with Jon. I wonder if at one point during the negotiations for CT, that she was asked if she would like to participate and she refused, probably thinking that without her, Jon wouldn't be able to do the show.
I think there are a lot of things that go on in the background that we'll never rightly know.
But IMHO it would be a cold day in h*ll before TFW would appear on screen with Jon.
After all technically they are between a rock and a hard place since Kate herself quite clearly explained that only a reality show best provides for the children and that Jon's job is mediocre. So what to do when Jon actually does what Kate wanted and get a reality show? Are they contradicting Kate by saying he shouldn't do this? Or, what if Kate is up to similar trash? So I can see how a poor sheep might be confused. Come on Kate, pop in and help them.
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Absolutely correct! At least here (and in the real world?) we are free thinkers who have opinions of our own. Even for tfw now, what could she possibly say about all this???
Well it sure didn't take Radar on Line to come up with some far out nonsense about Jon Gosselin asking Hailey Glassman to go on the show with him. That is by far the dumbest story they have come up with yet. I don't know who dreams that crap up or is it Kate feeding them this trash. I just can't see that happening since Jon has been with Liz for 2 years. I know they are pro Kate but this is just ridiculous.
If Kate is Twitter silent, she is not home (and with Steve). She is up to something. That is her pattern and it never changes.
Let's give Jon the benefit of the doubt. After watching the show (which everyone should so they can make their own informed opinion), then if necessary, Jon can be lauded or skewered.
If he's doing it to pay legal bills, then he took it because he is being sued by WOS.
WOS and her minions can't rip Jon a new one, because WOS says reality tv provides for her kids....and isn't Jon expected to provide as well? LOL
Yep, the two biggest mysteries are Milo and Steve. At some point it will all come out. Milo has managed to keep a lid on her/his identity which is why I suspect this person is a plant. Very coy, very suspicious.
Steve is the one I really want to know about. Robert said in his book he really didn't know, but then he provided examples of questionable behavior with Kate. On the surface it appears they are a couple, or a couple in Kate's Mind.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
No, Kate wouldn't show up on this show......or would she????
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I wouldn't put it pass her to show up.
Terri said... 103
Well it sure didn't take Radar on Line to come up with some far out nonsense about Jon Gosselin asking Hailey Glassman to go on the show with him. That is by far the dumbest story they have come up with yet. I don't know who dreams that crap up or is it Kate feeding them this trash. I just can't see that happening since Jon has been with Liz for 2 years. I know they are pro Kate but this is just ridiculous.
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Seems like all of the negative stories about Jon on ROL are now written by Amber Ryland, while the negative stories about Kate are written by Radar Staff. Since David Perel is no longer with ROL is Amber the new person to feed fake info to?
This smells like either Kate, BV acting on behalf of Kate, or possibly one of the sheeple. Little bit coincidental that the article said "In fact, Gosselin told Glassman he could make her $200,000 if she agreed to it", which happens to be the amount that Hailey claimed Jon owed her. Someone is obviously upset that Jon got a TV gig, while Kate, with all her wishing and hoping, has not.
I don't think it's Hailey herself. When the story about Kate threatening to subpoena her came out, Hailey posted this on FB:
Hailey Glassman Seriously! .... #MoveOn #LeaveMeAloneGosselins . They are like an immature couple that would appear on MTV's 'Teen Mom' . It's hard choosing the better of two evils #EvilQueen & #TheJoker #ImNeutral #DontCare #ItsNot2009
November 12 at 9:54am via mobile
Its just a coincidence that Jons in California right now and Kate is silent. Maybe shes filming a guest spot on the show...not exactly in the same room with Jon and Liz. Oh God NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO(screaming as I pull my hair out)...Is my imagination running away with me? I hope so! Its pretty hard to believe Jon would agree to that. He knows that all she would do is humiliate him. OR..shes in a mental ward throwing her lunch at the wall...
You're darn right TFW would show up for Jon's show! She said she'd never be on TV with him again, but she was thinking about doing a show together. She thought she would be the star, and he would just be someone extra, and she wouldn't allow that. She never stopped to consider the scenario of Jon being the focus of the show. In that case, she would have to stay away and let him get all the attention and camera time, and her narcissism just won't allow for that to happen. If she is able, she will barge in. If she doesn't, it will be because she wasn't asked.
How irresponsible would it be for her to file for an extension for her lawsuit, and then,instead to helping her lawyer gather information, she runs off to try to butt in on Jon's new show? Why not just toss the lawsuit if you're going to do that?
Probably Farrah Abraham was named after the late Farrah Fawcett who I agree was a lovely gracious lady who overcame her stereotype as a dumb blond with her gritty roles in Extremities, Burning Bed and the Diane Downs film.She was also a talented sculotr and sports enthusiast
This Farrah? No talent although apparently did well at Culinary School.
Maybe she should write a cookbook, lol.
Millicent said... 16
While I don't know the exact number of days Jon has the children, it is not "a few" days per month, but closer to a 50/50, or perhaps 60/40 split.
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No, it is not. Try as you might to spin the math, the bottom line is that he only has the children a few days per month. He has stated that he has them every other weekend (with the exception of Mady and Cara who he says rarely stay with him) and for dinner once per week. That equals a few days per month. The arrangement does not and never will equate to 50/50 time nor even 60/40 time, no matter how often people here state that it does. Do the math.
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"Since none of us know the G children personally, none of us can say for sure what they think of their dad doing a reality show about couples therapy. Perhaps because they were on a show and had their private lives made very public, they would be even less likely to want to discuss anything to do with reality tv with their friends, and maybe the students at their school understand this. In a way, they have a disability. Their fellow students can understand that this might be a sensitive subject and steer clear of it."
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I agree that we can't know how the children actually feel about all this and I hope you're right about their friends, though we don't really know that either.
I'm going with my gut that this is a bad decision but I will concede that it would be difficult to turn down an opportunity to make a big sack of cash in just a couple of weeks.
Especially if he's forking out for legal bills. I was hoping the speculation that Tuma was doing this pro bono leaned toward the truth...that would be a godsend no doubt.
In any case, I do enjoy the irony that Kate's minions can't say squat about this because they've always supported her assertion that reality t.v. gigs are the only way to support the kids.
Lucille,
I think Jon sees the kids as much as he possibly can. He has to work, and as a waiter he has to work nights. He has them every other weekend, Fri-Sat-Sun (on CWS, they showed a close-up of TFW;s calendar, and she has marked on there to pack for the kids to go to Jon's every other Friday), and he has them for dinner on Tuesdays. He stated in a recent interview that he would like to have Mady and Cara for dinner on Thursday nights, too, and TFW said in her People interview that he comes over for dinner once a week. I think we can all agree that he spends as much time with them as he possibly can, considering the fact that he would have to take nights off work to be with them. I'm sure he would like to see them more, but he has to make money to pay his bills.
I just had a funny vision of TFW fllying out to LA in a rage, showing up at some VH1 producer's house in the middle of the night, and poundng on the door, screaming that Jon has to be stopped, now! Of course, the police would be called...hee-hee.
Hailey Glassman Seriously! .... #MoveOn #LeaveMeAloneGosselins . They are like an immature couple that would appear on MTV's 'Teen Mom' . It's hard choosing the better of two evils #EvilQueen & #TheJoker #ImNeutral #DontCare #ItsNot2009
November 12 at 9:54am via mobile
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Lolol ok I looked at her twitter to see if she reacted but didn't know she had a public FB
In any case, I do enjoy the irony that Kate's minions can't say squat about this because they've always supported her assertion that reality t.v. gigs are the only way to support the kids.
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Yes this silence sure is sweet. That truly don't know what to do and since Kate has completely abandoned them all week that have no hints from her how they're supposed to react. Hysterical.
Four days of twitter silence and we know Jon is filming in L.A. because he was just seen here the other day. I'm beginning to think she would be willing to do a guest interview to tell her side if the price is right, as long as she didn't have to see Jon or breathe the same air. You know it would be a big ratings boost, Jon and Kate finally on T.V. together again.
Oh what is a sheep to do THEN?
#LeaveMeAloneGosselins
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LOL Hailey. Nice hashtag.
"STIPULATION re 12 MOTION to Dismiss the Complaint, 11 First MOTION TO DISMISS FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CLAIM IN PLAINTIFF'S AMENDED COMPLAINT To Enlarge Time To Respond Through November 19, 2013 by KATE GOSSELIN. (RUSHIE, A.) (FILED IN ERROR BY ATTORNEY; COPY FORWARDED TO JUDGE FOR APPROVAL) Modified on 11/13/2013 (nd, ). (Entered: 11/12/2013)"
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Docket interpreters? It looks like Kate's attorney withdrew something he filed. I'm a bit confused. Probably nothing.
You know I can tell you this, if Kate did the show too, I doubt any of the sheep would express any concerns maybe this isn't the best decision for the kids.
They are after all sheep.
Wasn't it Dwindle who suggested we all hold hands here when we feel scared? As always, Admin, thanks for the forum -- you're a fine playground monitor.
Perhaps TFW's disappearance is because she's tearing the house upside down, trying to find Grow-A-Boyfriend so he'll "bloom" in time to help her land a spot on the Couples Therapy show? She wouldn't have to share the payment with him, and his lack of eyes and ears might be her only hope for a long-lasting relationship.
Layla said... 114
Lucille,
I think Jon sees the kids as much as he possibly can. He has to work, and as a waiter he has to work nights. He has them every other weekend, Fri-Sat-Sun (on CWS, they showed a close-up of TFW;s calendar, and she has marked on there to pack for the kids to go to Jon's every other Friday), and he has them for dinner on Tuesdays.
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His job has nothing to do with it. Every other weekend and dinner once per week is his custody arrangement. No matter how you slice it, that is a few days per month. I'm not disparaging that arrangement, I am simply pointing out the fact that it is not a 50/50 split nor a 60/40 split. That's not debatable. The math is what it is.
If Jon and Kate are both gone to LA then who's watching the kids for a week?
In any case, I do enjoy the irony that Kate's minions can't say squat about this because they've always supported her assertion that reality t.v. gigs are the only way to support the kids.
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But that wouldn't apply here because they say that he does nothing to support the kids, never sees them, pays no child support, so any money he makes from this would go into his pocket.
Just reading from the bottom up, but am wondering if ex-nurse addressed her post about "where did the 5 year contract discussion come from???" when it was verified that it came from her?
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I was the one who did the search and discovered the first mention of a 5 year contract came from Ex Nurse herself after she asked where that came from to start with. I never saw her comment on the discovery.
Layla said...114
and TFW said in her People interview that he comes over for dinner once a week.
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Jon goes over to Kate's for dinner once a week??? I find that hard to believe considering everything Jon said in his round table interview about how they only communicate via text messages, etc.
"STIPULATION re 12 MOTION to Dismiss the Complaint, 11 First MOTION TO DISMISS FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CLAIM IN PLAINTIFF'S AMENDED COMPLAINT To Enlarge Time To Respond Through November 19, 2013 by KATE GOSSELIN. (RUSHIE, A.) (FILED IN ERROR BY ATTORNEY; COPY FORWARDED TO JUDGE FOR APPROVAL) Modified on 11/13/2013 (nd, ). (Entered: 11/12/2013)"
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Docket interpreters? It looks like Kate's attorney withdrew something he filed. I'm a bit confused. Probably nothing.
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My best guess is that they submitted the Stipulation (or Order) to Enlarge Time to Respond to the Clerk's office, with a copy to the Judge. The Clerk's office filed it in error, because the judge must sign his approval first, and then the Stipulation & Order is filed by the Clerk. That is just my guess, but it does happen occasionally.
Yes, it does appear that the 50/50 split was either an exaggeration or something said that was being planned, not happening yet.
I was surprised when I read here the other day that custody can be stopped for even a 60/40 or 70/30. It's the first time I'd seen that.
His job has nothing to do with it. Every other weekend and dinner once per week is his custody arrangement. No matter how you slice it, that is a few days per month. I'm not disparaging that arrangement, I am simply pointing out the fact that it is not a 50/50 split nor a 60/40 split. That's not debatable. The math is what it is.
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I understand what you are saying, but I do need to point out how the court sees it. The court looks at the time the children are physically present with each parent when determining percentages of time, like 50/50 or 60/40, etc.
That means when the kids are in school, that time is not counted towards either parent's percentage. You're thinking in days but the court thinks in minutes and hours, or at least that has always been my understanding.
The court also takes into account other time spent with each parent, such as holidays and vacations.
My point is that while yes, Jon only has them 10 days out of 30/31 days in a month, when you take away the time the kids spend in school, then the actual split can be more even then it appears.
Not including holidays and vacations, the every other weekend and one night a week means Kate has them 84% and Jon 16%. However, if you add in the holiday and vacation time, those percentages cab even out more. Not knowing their exact child custody agreement, I can't give you a precise percentage but it may end up becoming closer to a 60/40 split if those times are included.
Hope that helps clarify things. Legal eagles, please correct me if I am wrong.
I don't know if this has been mentioned. I watch the show Home and Family on the Hallmark channel. It takes place in California. Guess who is going to be on the show on Friday? TFW!!!! She is suppose to be there pushing her book. I find it odd that she is in Cali at the same time as Jon. Who is with the kids?
Vanessa said:
coming across as shedding that doofus caricature of himself.
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I don't think that's a caricature - he is a doofus, but one with a kind heart and love for his kids. ;)
This, after seeing Jon interact with his children in a loving, playful and parental manner during the run of the show. This, after reading local's who twitter about seeing Jon out and about with his kids, having a good time?
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This, after it's been verified that Jon, for many years, was the one who supported his children at all of their school activities, the only parent who showed up for events, meetings, all without fanfare and flourish, out of the spotlight, off camera. Parents who regard their kids as "casualties" want none of that -- they send someone else.
Being the inarticulate fool that she is, and given the seething anger she has towards her ex and his gf, it would be a real mistake to walk into the VH filming den, where she would have no 'script' and no TLC to back her up. She was not exactly a shining star on CWS. If talks like a fool . . .
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@skhanson12 @A1letheia @bitemeaholes @AlfredoCocozza @Kateplusmy8 It was reported Mady caught her mom having sex with Steve
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What? When and where in the heck did this happen?
If she shows up on that show..then I will think these two are in cahoots together. I think maybe we're all being "played". Those two are laughing all the way to the bank.
Lucille (112)
The fact is, we don't know the exact terms of the custody arrangement. He said he wanted to add Thursdays with M&C, so there must be room there for him to add days on. If he is limited to just the two 3-day weekends a month, plus Tuesdays, then adding Thursdays wouldn't be an option. But, apparently it is an option. I think we can all agree that TFW was either lying or misquoted about Jon having dinner with the family once a week, but as far as the specific times and dates he is legally entitled to, we do not know. It could be that he is entitled to 50/50 time, or even 40/60, but is limited by his work schedule. Fact is, you don't know how much time he is legally entitled to. None of us do.
Lucille said... 112
No, it is not. Try as you might to spin the math, the bottom line is that he only has the children a few days per month. He has stated that he has them every other weekend (with the exception of Mady and Cara who he says rarely stay with him) and for dinner once per week. That equals a few days per month. The arrangement does not and never will equate to 50/50 time nor even 60/40 time, no matter how often people here state that it does. Do the math.
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This is frustrating to me. We've talked about this numerous times.
Jon has the kids every other weekend and two nights a week (Tuesday and Friday). That means TFW has the kids every other weekend and 3 nights a week (Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday). This is pretty darn close to 50/50 and most definitely covers 60/40.
Admin (118)
How very interesting..."failure to state a claim in plaintiff's amended complaint"? "Filed in error by attorney"? We need some legal minds to interpret this!
I accidentally wrote Friday it is next Monday. That Kate is on Home and Family. Is she on other shows too or with Jon ?
Haven't been able to post for months - ipad issues.
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I think their schedule is more flexible now, either that or Jon willingly breaks it. I think the court considers it "joint" custody, so Jon feels free to take the kids more. He talked in an interview (I think in the Dads Round Table) about the kids staying an extra day because they wanted to.
In addition he has mentioned going to Cara's games and Mady's recitals/plays (and tweeters have spotted him there as well), so that's even more.
There are also documented court cases where he's gone to court asking for more time. So now, Sheeple, he's not a deadbeat dad who can barely see his kids on his visitation every other weekend, like you want to believe.
He sees them when he can, as often as he can. I am now going to scroll by this conversation because like I've mentioned, we've had it many many times before.
These type shows are usually filmed in advance, I'm thinking she was there sometime in the past two weeks.
Friday, November 15, 10a/9c
Reality star Kate Gosselin visits and cooks a recipe from her new cookbook, "Love is in the Mix"; a modern take on the classic holiday cheese ball appetizer from the author of "Great Balls of Cheese," Michelle Buffardi; H&F's bathroom remodel project continues; innovative and money-saving ways to organize your cosmetics.
Give me a break..she still can't be pushing that crappy book ..its impossible. Oh boy here we go...let the begging begin..".WAW GIVE ME A SHOW"..."GIVE ME A CREW, ANY CREW, SO MY KIDS WILL MISS THEM". I wonder if this is a freebie? So shes in Calif. I can't stand these two anymore. Where the hell are the kids while shes laying on the beach. Maybe shes looking for a house out there. Get ready here comes Milo...."we knew you were up to something great" #mom that never gives up #supporting her 8 by herself #rock that body #you're a success. I think I just went blind....
I don't know if this has been mentioned. I watch the show Home and Family on the Hallmark channel. It takes place in California. Guess who is going to be on the show on Friday? TFW!!!!
Slogging her dead in the water cookbook a month after her whirlwind book tour to nowhere? Now, that's funny. Also explains her hair appointment in NYC. And considering that B&N has packed up and returned most of the books . . .who gets her this press anyway?
Where, oh where is Katie Irene? Did our Katie take a little vacation, from her book tour, and raising 8 count them 8 kids, such hard work(not to mention other people in the world have kids and never get a moment to their selves). Or could our Katie possibly be in Aussie, for Irwins B-day? It is this week. Yopu know Kate does not want people to know where she is going, only after she has been there.
4 days and not even a rt or those obnoxious quotes. This has got to be a record or going to be one. Or did her lawyers shut her down? Or is she working on another secret project, more like a secret get away.
Regarding custody, this is what Jon said in the roundtable interview in July:
The set custody night is Tuesday night dinner nights then every other weekend. Friday, Saturday, and Sunday was supposed to evolve in to Monday but usually goes back to Sunday at 7:30. During the school year I don’t have them that much but I always have that Tuesday.
http://dadsroundtable.com/spotlight/2013/07/the-jon-gosselin-interview/4/
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What is so confusing? He has them for dinner either 4 nights of 5 Tuesday nights (depending on how many Tuesdays there are in the month).
And he has them every other weekend.
Every other weekend = 4 days or 6 days for any months that have 5 weekends.
He also said he doesn't have M&C very much, and in same sentence he said he has special days with them. Now THAT is confusing.
Well, she's not participating in Steve Irwin day this year, if I'm reading the agenda right. #NoKashForKoalas #KangarooPelt #AuthenticityWinsOut
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This is frustrating to me. We've talked about this numerous times.
Jon has the kids every other weekend and two nights a week (Tuesday and Friday). That means TFW has the kids every other weekend and 3 nights a week (Monday, Wednesday, and Thursday). This is pretty darn close to 50/50 and most definitely covers 60/40.
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Uh, no. He takes them to dinner once per week. That doesn't constitute having them for the night. If you want to use that logic, then she has them on Friday on his weekends because they eat breakfast at her house. I also believe that the children return to her on Sunday, not Monday.
I agree that it is frustrating, frustrating that people can't accept that it isn't a 50/50 arrangement or even a 60/40 one.
Sherry Baby said... 133
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This was an unsubstantiated rumor that came up during the divorce. If memory serves, the gist was that Mady walked in on Steve and Kate either kissing or having sex during one of the beach trips and was really upset. I've also read that it happened when they were in Utah filming the ski trip and that's why Beth Carson left and Jodi had to fly out to help.
Again, it's a rumor, nothing more.
Re: Jon coming over for dinner - I took her to mean they have dinner with him once a week. I forget but did she say specifically he came into the house to have a sit down dinner with the kids?
Jane said... 141
These type shows are usually filmed in advance, I'm thinking she was there sometime in the past two weeks.
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I found an article from last year that states that Home and Family is a live show.
"One of the most unique and entertaining shows to emerge recently for daytime television is Hallmark's Home & Family Show, a daily, two-hour live show!
http://edenmakersblog.com/?p=5031#sthash.u83I7JPn.dpbs
Haven't seen HCI or Kim Weiss promoting this appearance. Wonder if they've given up on her?
Tweet from the Pa Code, it's 40%: (1) When the children spend 40% or more of their time during the year with the obligor, a rebuttable presumption arises that the obligor is entitled to a reduction in the basic support obligation to reflect this time. This rebuttable presumption also applies in high income cases decided pursuant to Rule 1910.16-3.1. Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) below, the reduction shall be calculated pursuant to the formula set forth in Part II of subdivision (a) of this rule. For purposes of this provision, the time spent with the children shall be determined by the number of overnights they spend during the year with the obligor.
Jon explained either in the Dad's interview or the one before that technically his visitation was Friday through MONDAY with one night during the week. But he said that he generally takes the kids back Sunday. Which makes sense so the y can get ready for school. Anyway point being his support would be based on the days that are in writing, not on whatever he and Kate work out that's best for their kids. He never explained whether they are on a 1-3-5 split or a alternate weekend split, which makes a difference. Since the PA clearly says that each OVERNIGHt counts as one day (even i they only spend one hour with him on Friday), then you have to count the overnights as a full day. If you take a month doing 1-3-5 plus their one night a week, that's 13 days. 43%
If you assume it's only a 1-2 split, that's only 33%.
Due to the child support issue, I tend to think they are on a 1-3-5 schedule, because that would put him much closer to 50% and thus affect his child support significantly.
The law is pretty clear to me. People can go on and on about how Friday and Sunday are short days but what I'm saying is per the LAW, each overnight counts and I'm telling you, it doesn't matter what they have worked out or what is actually happening, it goes by how many overnights he has secured on paper. If he was able to get it on paper he is entitled to X amount of overnights, it can have a huge impact on his support regardless what actually happens. If Kate doesn't like that, she is welcome to go back to family law court and complain. I trust she can handle this.
My God ...isn't it a little late for that book . I would start checking your local dollar stores. Must be another reason for going all the way to Calif. I don't get it ....will somebody help me "get it"? I wonder if shes paying out of pocket for this trip...silly me..what am I thinking.
While I have been watching Home and Family they first said Friday then I swear it was Monday and then back to Friday. I must be going nuts. I think it is because I was in shock that she is still pushing this book and I am so sad that she is on my favorite show. Cristina is a wonderful cook and has written many books. I wonder what she will think of this piece of trash that TFW is pushing.
GET ME A TAPING IN CALIFORNIA!!! Jon can't outdo me!
I wonder what recipe she'll slap together from the crookbook. I'm still picturing the muffin slop all over everywhere from that one demonstration. lol
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
No, Kate wouldn't show up on this show......or would she????
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Who cares if she shows up. There is no set in stone talk that TFW will be on the show too. Security can boot her azz out!
I understand what you are saying, but I do need to point out how the court sees it. The court looks at the time the children are physically present with each parent when determining percentages of time, like 50/50 or 60/40, etc.
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You are making an incorrect generalization. For example, CA looks at hours but New Jersey looks at overnight stays. Child support in PA is determined by number of overnight visits to determine split, not hours.
Yes, Kate is listed on the Home & Family for tomorrow. I was also wondering if Kate is to do her side on Where are they now? This is filmed in Cal. Maybe Ellen, Access, ET, I checked the Chew, not listed. What other shows are filmed in Cal. So Kate did take a little vac. for herself. Funny how she does not let her lackey devoted fans know what show she will be on.
If you take a month doing 1-3-5 plus their one night a week, that's 13 days. 43%
If you assume it's only a 1-2 split, that's only 33%.
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No, the dinner one night per week does not count as it is not an overnight stay.
4 days and not even a rt or those obnoxious quotes. This has got to be a record or going to be one.
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I don't think that it is. She's been gone a week without hearing a peep from her.
Sillimom yes, he would also get credit for holidays, and there have been times that he's taken the kids for a week or two in the summers, which he also gets credit for. A lawyer helping him with child support would try to get out every single overnight of the 365 days a year they could. So all those overnights would be added in.
Liz once talked about his schedule on twitter and it was close to right about where I targeted it at 43%. This was last October. That is another reason I believe he's made the 40% threshold in court because of Liz's corroboration. I don't know why she would lie about that as Kate could easily come on twitter and dispute it, and Kate never did. (And why I can see Jon saying I've got split custody....it was ALMOST half, why quibble over only 7%? They're in school anyway!)
The Pa child support code is complicated like most states but there is a very common and logical scenario that puts him well past the 40% threshold quite close to 50%, as much as Kate and her sheeple hate that. I realize that is not always what happens but that's not how it works in the court of law. The court of law looks at the piece of paper, not at what really happens.
I should add that 1-3-5 weekends are pretty standard instead of one off one on. I always insist on 1-3-5.
Get ready here comes Milo...."we knew you were up to something great" #mom that never gives up #supporting her 8 by herself #rock that body #you're a success. I think I just went blind....
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lol!! Don't forget #getoutthosedaisydukeshotincalifornia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZkRYta7z8
Jon looks great, except for the nasty girl who is pretending to go down on him. Jon doesn't do skanks.
Sunday was supposed to evolve in to Monday but usually goes back to Sunday at 7:30.
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I don't see anything confusing about it Tweet, other than this statement.
This statement and the 1-3-5 thing are the key to whether this man is getting close to 50% or not. And since we don't really know the answer, I guess we'll always get people jumping in saying Jon never has the kids he is not even close to 50%!! Oh but he IS if on paper he also has Sunday night and 1-3-5.
This statement to me implies that he has Sunday night written down on paper, but that they had worked it out he brings the kids back earlier.
Remember, it's the paper that counts when calculating support.
I guess TFW didn't want Jon spending time out in LA with his girlfriend with her being home stuck with the kids the entire time. So she had to head out to LA also. This is probably why she's been off twitter. I assume Steve went with her, so she could take another mini vacation away with him, of course having to pay him for his services. I doubt TFW cares that Jon is out in LA as long as she can spend time in LA with Steve also. As usual the kids are probably home with a nanny or maybe she recruited Deanna to watch them when she went to NY. Not a word about her upcoming appearance to promote her tanked cookbook either. She's so sneaky.
Oh if she got an LA trip to Hallmark she'll stretch that out into a week of twitter silence. I mean most celebs do these appearances in one day and fly home but Kate will make this one last.
" I am simply pointing out the fact that it is not a 50/50 split nor a 60/40 split. That's not debatable. The math is what it is. "
As I explained above, it certainly is a 60/40 split (actually, 43/57) if he gets Monday and the standard 1-3-5. That math is what it is too. Read the Pa Code.
. He takes them to dinner once per week. That doesn't constitute having them for the night.
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I believe that is an overnight. He never said we eat dinner then I zip them back home. I assume they call it dinner night because they're in school all day and dinner is pretty much all they do. AND even if he DOES zip them back home, as long as the custody paper says that's his overnight, then that's what counts. Since you haven't seen the custody paper, you can't prove it's "just a dinner" and doesn't count. And I would never agree to a day like that for just a dinner as an attorney unless the overnight as written down too, because then you're basically giving up a free day toward your support, and that's wrong. Never in a million years would I advise anyone to agree to such a thing. You get that overnight, period.
A midweek overnight is also pretty standard. Their custody order couldn't be more typical. I have never seen a "dinner only" custody day. Rather, it is always an overnight. Up to you whether you want to exercise it.
Milo speaks!
Fired Up 4 Kate@MiloandJack6m
@Kateplusmy8 Predictable...Jon is on a low rent show 4couples therapy and Kate will be on http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/schedule/ Friday at 10am cooking!
Here comes #prospectivesuitormilo:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3m
@Kateplusmy8 Predictable...Jon is on a low rent show 4couples therapy and Kate will be on http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/schedule/ Friday at 10am cooking!
Does he/she/it read here first before it tweets?
Amusing how she say nothing about Jon being on a show UNTIL she finds out that Kate will be on a show.
These sheeple have become so darn transparent and predictable that it's not even fun anymore!
Told ya....here comes Milo belittling Jons gig and propping Kates gig up like shes better than him. Gee.. I didn't know wife swap was soooo classy. Milo is INFURIATING..what a complete jackass!!
I think that "do the math Lucille" is Ms. Goodie. Sure sounds like her.
Milo is doing her PR schtick:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 10m
@Kateplusmy8 Yay Kate! >> http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/schedule/ This Friday at 10:00am cooking one of your delish recipes from #LoveIsInTheMix @HCI_Books
Then, of course, she now makes mention of Jon, comparing his TV appearance to Kate's.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 16m
@Kateplusmy8 Predictable...Jon is on a low rent show 4couples therapy and Kate will be on http://www.hallmarkchannel.com/schedule/ Friday at 10am cooking!
I guess all the sheeple read here, since it was announced here first.
Ok...the math is interesting. The underlying assumptions: 31 day month, 5 weekends of which Jon had 3, all 8 kids every time. No holidays in the month. Tues is 5pm-8pm for Jon.
Strictly by hours:
31 days (month started on Fri midnight, ended on Sun midnight) x 24 hours = 744 hours
Jon has them 3 weekends of the 5, 5pm Fri to 7pm Sun = 144 hours
Tues dinners 5pm-8pm = 3 hours x 4 weeks = 12
Total 156 hours.
156/744 = 21%
Now do the math excluding sleeping/school time.
Assumptions:
5:30am-7am school day morning = 1.5 hours/day x 5 = TFW
5pm-9pm school day evening (Mon/Wed/Thurs) = 4 hours/day, x 4 = TFW
Tues 5pm-8pm = 3 = Jon x 4 weeks
Tues 8pm-9pm = 1 = TFW x 4 weeks
Weekends = 7am-9pm/day
96 hours = Jon = 43%
126 hours = TFW = 57%
If Jon added Thurs evenings to the mix, it would be 48% Jon, 52% TFW.
If you switched the weekends so that TFW had 3 and Jon had 2, leaving Thurs out of the mix, it would be 31% Jon, 69% TFW.
If it was a 30 day month, TFW 3 weekends, Jon, 2, then the split is 32% and 68%.
If it was a 30 day month, Jon 3 weekends, TFW 2, then the split is 40% and 60%.
Now, let's try a scenario of a 30 day month, the month starts on Sunday, Jon has that weekend. Still leaving Thurs off the table. It works out to 41% Jon, 59% TFW.
It's starting to look like if you average all this out over the year, that they split the time *roughly* 40% Jon, 60% TFW.
The numbers that Admin was talking about the other day. Hmmm..
Regarding custody, I was using what Jon said in the round table interview. Wasn't considering what it might say on paper since we can only speculate on that.
If Kate is one thing for certain, she is a CREATURE OF HABIT. The signs are always there: visit to hair dresser and a Twitter silence. I would guess, hmmm, that she turned her short TV taping into a week long vacay with her "Road Manager". What? Too busy lounging by the 5-star hotel pool to tweet to Milo?
I seldom watch Hallmark and won't watch her on that show. The only time I ever tune in is actually this time of year when Hallmark does their Xmas romance movies.
Thanks to the eagle eyed poster because you sure can't count on Kate to do any self-promotion. She should be embarrassed by the reviews anyway, but she would never pass up a chance for alone time with Steve.
Someone really needs to address the pictures of the children in the cookbook.I would like for someone to ask her about it when they interview her! It never comes up but it really should, frankly.
I flipped it at the bookstore and could not get that uncomfortable feeling to go away for a good while after I saw the 2-page spread of the boys on the kitchen counter with matching outfits and barefoot. It was such a unsettling appearance..it looked like they were posing for Abercrombie & Fitch and trying to market something (that something, I'm not sure what). The placing of their bodies and their facial expressions made it seem too adult and unnatural for a family cookbook. Did she want people to drool over their bare feet or their sorrowful faces? IT. WAS. CREEPY. That was the worst picture out of all.
Suzy
Maybe Kate will make Jamie's broccoli! Which would go right along with making her oh-so-special guacamole on another show!
FRP
According to Dr. Jenn Berman's twitter(she the host of Couples Therapy) the taping of the show finished a few days ago. So hopefully Jon came home to the kids, while Kate flitted away to LA.
Dr. Jenn Berman @DrJennBerman 12 Nov
It's a wrap.
#couplestherapy http://instagram.com/p/gpFIpEAs0S/
I also saw this article, dated Nov. 12, about Farrah's appearance on the show. Her mother, father and daughter all were filmed for the show. It also said that "Farrah has been at the Los Angeles-based house shooting the series for the past two weeks, and is just about done with production". So it looks like filming is completed.
http://theashleysrealityroundup.com/2013/11/12/farrah-abraham-to-appear-on-upcoming-season-of-couples-therapy-exclusive-details/
I have to love how Milo included HCI Books in her tweet. Does she feel that it's her duty to notify Kate's publisher about Kate's TV appearance. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
It's funny how KK never lets her die hard sheep know she's going to be on TV or where or book-tour was going to be or when she's making appearances.
To me this say's a lot about how she really feels about her sheep.
And don't give Milo credit I put it on twitter that KK's going to be on TV he/she copied off me.
Wowser, congratulations on the birth of your granddaughter!
10:00 AM
Home & Family - Reality star Kate Gosselin visits and cooks a recipe from her new cookbook, "Love is in the Mix"; a modern take on the classic holiday cheese ball appetizer from the author of "Great Balls of Cheese," Michelle Buffardi; H&F's bathroom remodel project continues; innovative and money-saving ways to organize your cosmetics.
So are they saying TFW admits to putting some else's recipe in her cookbook? Or am I reading this wrong?
"STIPULATION re 12 MOTION to Dismiss the Complaint, 11 First MOTION TO DISMISS FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CLAIM IN PLAINTIFF'S AMENDED COMPLAINT To Enlarge Time To Respond Through November 19, 2013 by KATE GOSSELIN. (RUSHIE, A.) (FILED IN ERROR BY ATTORNEY; COPY FORWARDED TO JUDGE FOR APPROVAL) Modified on 11/13/2013 (nd, ). (Entered: 11/12/2013)"
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Docket interpreters? It looks like Kate's attorney withdrew something he filed. I'm a bit confused. Probably nothing.
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It is nothing. The filed in error by attorney just means he efiled it rather than send it directly to the judge for signature (then the clerk would efile it after judge signs it). Each judge has his preferences on how these things are done when something needs to be signed by the judge. In our district court, you efile a stipulation with a proposed order but then email the proposed order to the judge in word format. Because everything is efiled in federal court now, the clerk has to make that type of entry to docket what happened (and it also tells the attorney he did it wrong).
wowser said... 139
Haven't been able to post for months - ipad issues.
I am a GRANDMOTHER! Healthy 6 lb 14 oz. beautiful baby grand daughter. Cannot even begin to say how excited we are! Beautiful and perfect!
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Wowser-Congratulations!! Welcome to the Grandmothers' Club!!
Annie, there is a semi-colon after the entry about Kate. It's Michelle Buffardi who's making the cheeseball.
Carezee (153)
I'm happy to hear you like the show, because (host) Mark Steines was an old college buddy of mine! Pam Jones's (instructor) public relations classes at the University of Northern Iowa, weekends partying on the Hill, football games at the Unidome (Mark was on the team, and so was NFL's Kurt Warner a few years later). Ah, memories...(sigh). I lost touch with him long ago, but he was just the nicest guy.
Of course Milo is going to play up TFW's appearance and knock down Jon's. If it were TFW doing CT and Jon on a talk show, she would be boasting that TFW got 8 hour long episodes while Jon just got a few minute's appearance, and say that it shows that TFW is the real star. We know what to expect from Milo.
Annie said... 182
So are they saying TFW admits to putting some else's recipe in her cookbook? Or am I reading this wrong?
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Annie-I think you are reading it wrong. The author of "Great Balls of Cheese",Michelle Buffardi, is another one of the guests.
I have no problem with Jon doing this show and the reason why is because he is doing it himself and not involving the children. He's an adult and he made that choice for himself.
Of course, now that he has agree to do it, I hope he's prepared for the condquences. The press hated him during the divorce and afterwards. They are still pretty much split on Jon (some wrote glowing articles about him working as a waiter, some wrote snide articles). So the press will most likely tear him apart once the show airs and once he starts opening up.
And Kate's silence is comical. She has disappeared, but mark my words, she is up to something. When she does return to Twitter or her blog, she'll most likely make some crazy announcement in an attempt to get attention away from Jon. She has always done this when Jon gets any publicity.
Why cant she tweet from LA? Do they not have twitter there? Surely she could pop in once or twice poolside to tweet a fun behind the scenes pic or funny story. It's very selfish to her devoted fans. Other celebs have no problem keeping fans a part of what they are up to. PW and Giada always "bring" their fans on the road.
JR said... 169
Told ya....here comes Milo belittling Jons gig and propping Kates gig up like shes better than him. Gee.. I didn't know wife swap was soooo classy. Milo is INFURIATING..what a complete jackass!!
Yes Wife Swap with a porn star and WWHL are so much classier.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 188
Cause she doesn't give a S**T about her devoted sheep.
She's been doing it for since she had her twitter and you'd think the sheep would see this but guess not.
chefsummer said... 180
And don't give Milo credit I put it on twitter that KK's going to be on TV he/she copied off me.
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But, Milo SAID he/she would never read at this "cesspool". I guess we now know the truth!
Thanks for clarifying, I missed the semi-colon.
stilllovingjon said... 162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZkRYta7z8
Jon looks great, except for the nasty girl who is pretending to go down on him. Jon doesn't do skanks.
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That nasty girl is Whitney Mixter one of the other cast members, and she happens to be appearing on the show with her girlfriend, Sada Bettencourt. So I'm sure it was just them fooling around for the cameras. The other woman in the video is Kelsey Nycole who will also be appearing on the show.
I wonder if they were all at a wrap party for the show.
Whats this about Jon wanted to ask Hailey to be on the show? Is that BS or what? Also he made 200,000 to do that show. They are right ,Reality T.V. is very lucrative....Damn. Is that what Kate made for WS. No wonder she doesn't want to get off her ass to find a job. I almost don't blame her. If these networks are stupid enough to hire her....
Why cant she tweet from LA? Do they not have twitter there?
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Maybe she's in "twitter jail", which is usually her excuse for not tweeting when she's away.
Layla said... 192
chefsummer said... 180
And don't give Milo credit I put it on twitter that KK's going to be on TV he/she copied off me.
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But, Milo SAID he/she would never read at this "cesspool". I guess we now know the truth!
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Of course he/she said he or she doesn't read here-"wink". Milo knows if he/she read here that his or her's queen will be pissed.
At least Jon had the good taste to ignore that "move" of hers. lol
#superfuntoesucking
TFW is still silent because that's how she builds up the suspense with her airheaded followers. The longer she's quiet (while perhaps popping up to drop a hint or two), the bigger their expectations will be. Remember when the cookbook was going to be announced? She kept saying something exciting was coming, and then it turned out to be her recycled, crap-filled cookbook. The sheep pretend they're thrilled, but you know they feel let down. They want a whole new show for TFW, and all they get is a stink bomb of a cookbook or a 5-minute segment on some talk show. I bet this time they were dreaming of a holiday special with TFW and the kids. Fat chance. She isn't even guest hosting this show, she's just doing a small segment. Jon's show will air 8 separate hour-long episodes. That's more TV time than TFW has gotten in the last 2 years, even if you combine every last little sound bite.
Layla... How lucky you are to know Mark. He seems like such a nice guy and a good father. I watched this show years ago when it was Cristina and Michael Burger. I was so happy to see it come back. I fell off a ladder over the summer and broke my heel. I have been off work all this time. So flipping through channels I found it and have been watching every day. I will have to Tivo when I go back to work.
I am sure they won't call TFW on anything since they aren't that kind of show. I just would really like to know what Cristine is thinking while watching her "cook" if that is what you call it.
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