Thursday, December 26, 2013

Karen Dotrice: 'I’ve never really wanted any of my children to become child actors like me'

Saving Mr. Banks is an endearing film now in theaters about Walt Disney’s struggle to acquire the rights to a children’s author’s beloved books, but the actor who played Jane in ‘Mary Poppins’ says child actors are who really need saving




Another child actor is all grown up and joining the long list of former child stars disclosing all was not as cheery as it seemed. Karen Dotrice won hearts as Jane in the 1963 film ‘Mary Poppins. The brilliant Sherman brothers’ song “The Perfect Nanny,” in which Jane reads an advertisement describing the kind of caretaker any child would long for, is particularly sweet (and funny).



Doctrice, who left show business as a teenager, had this to say about child stardom:

 “If I’d had my way, I’d still never have done any of those films, because kids should be kids. They should be doing their homework, or outside riding horses. They should be learning and growing at their own pace – and learning things at the right time, rather than when it’s convenient for others. It’s just not normal for a child to have that kind of focus on them and then trot off into life thinking that everyone’s going to pamper them and treat them as if they’re ‘special’. The fact is that if you’re living in a Justin Bieberesque type world surrounded by a bunch of yes people, the odds are you’re going to struggle in later life. That’s why I’ve never really wanted any of my children to become child actors like me. I’ve seen a lot of my peers go through terrible times and have to deal with all sorts of demons.”

Thank you, Karen for your insight.

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capecodmama said...

The comments on this blog with regard to the Philly mag article about Jon are why I love reading here. It was definitely a holy cow article and I'll leave my opinion at that but I love to read the agreeing and respectfully disagreeing comments that this diverse group of posters has. They always make me think. With regard to the reporter and Jon's "ruddy" cheeks, I have fair skin and get flushed drinking just one glass of wine. My family always gets a chuckle out of that.

Kelly...We have a nine year old German Shepard and everyone in the family knows that my husband loves us but the dog is above everybody. (Well, except for our two grandkids. He does melt when they're around). That's okay. We'll be married 32 years next week so I'm not worried. Condolenses on the loss of your bully.

Anonymous said...

The reason people will tune into CT is because of who Jon was married to, not because of Jon. They know the ratings will be there because people want to hear Jon finally say what he really feels about his ex. And there's going to be bitching if he doesn't. This "interview" was all part of the set up. He's following the script they gave him. Then, on the show, he can have another epiphany and the "therapy" will help him move on. All's well that ends well. Another successful season of CT. I really wonder how many of the things stated in the article really happened, and how much was fabricated.

PJ

chefsummer #Leh said...

My point is they are BOTH (as they should be) being criticized for behaving questionably.
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Yupe.

Vanessa said...

Anonymous said... 2
The reason people will tune into CT is because of who Jon was married to, not because of Jon. They know the ratings will be there because people want to hear Jon finally say what he really feels about his ex. And there's going to be bitching if he doesn't. This "interview" was all part of the set up. He's following the script they gave him. Then, on the show, he can have another epiphany and the "therapy" will help him move on. All's well that ends well. Another successful season of CT. I really wonder how many of the things stated in the article really happened, and how much was fabricated.

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This very well may be, and then the truth is some people really WILL do anything for money.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

localyocul said... 196
Shawn E. Tuma ‏@shawnetuma 9h
If we are being ourselves, we will not always say and do everything right, but I'd rather be real than fake appearing perfect.
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Gotta love Shawn. What a guy.

I don't think I have an opinion of the interview with Jon. Just like I didn't have one for the DD debacle. I often go with my gut and figure we're being manipulated, once again, by the entertainment media. Why get myself all worked up?

I agree with Remona's take. Although I didn't notice the credits listed for staging those pictures, I've thought all along that it's all about publicity, all staged, rigged to get people talking. It works!

Formerly Duped said...

TFW trashed Jon even on national TV. she said he was mean, didn't care about the kids' safety, taunted him 'what a man' when he ironed his clothes, didn't do things right, couldn't cook, 'he should play with his kids' (ha!) etc. In the couch interviews, even worse. And the kids supposedly watch this daily.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 193

I wouldn't describe either Jon or TFW as ever being classy.

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*Cough* neither would I. They've always seemed to me like low income lottery winners who may have all the toys of rich people but never really changed their ways and lifestyle. Not that there's anything wrong with that

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And now she even has her Ceeeement Pond!

Anonymous said...

Vanessa said...
This very well may be, and then the truth is some people really WILL do anything for money.

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Totally agree. I'm willing to bet that this "interview" was part of his contract for CT. I have neither the time or the inclination to research, but I'll bet past CT participants had the same kind of controversial press right before their episodes aired. We are being played, people.

PJ

The Empress Has New Clothes said...

I agree with this, at least in principle:

Shawn E. Tuma ‏@shawnetuma If we are being ourselves, we will not always say and do everything right, but I'd rather be real than fake appearing perfect.
10:22 PM - 28 Dec 13 · (Thanks Localyocal)

But it's not a simple black and white issue, now is it? Not when there are kids involved, and certainly not when you're sharing the road with other families.

Say what you want about what led up to this interview, or what may have transpired during and after the conversation with this reporter. I cut no swath whatsoever for someone who states explicitly that he's promoting his "brand," but who seems willing to trade it all away at a moment's notice. Who knows his motives? Not me. But I feel fairly confident in saying that the price he'll pay for this interview, per column inch, is much higher than he probably realized at the time.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

The Empress Has New Clothes said... 9
I agree with this, at least in principle:

Shawn E. Tuma ‏@shawnetuma If we are being ourselves, we will not always say and do everything right, but I'd rather be real than fake appearing perfect.
10:22 PM - 28 Dec 13 · (Thanks Localyocal)

But it's not a simple black and white issue, now is it? Not when there are kids involved, and certainly not when you're sharing the road with other families.
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I have no idea what Shawn's tweet has to do with drinking and driving. It was a random tweet about his thoughts on being a fake. It had nothing to do with what is being discussed here, it was merely shared here.

Vanessa said...

And let's say we are being played, it's a means to an end for Jon....money right? Then why not do dwts? Why say you needed therapy and this was "free" therapy? Why do THIS type of trash? Why sign on a show that is MOSTLY manufactured drama? Where you're encouraged to have a $hit show? He really hasn't learned a thing.

The Empress Has New Clothes said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said… 10

I'm assuming Shawn's tweet had something to do with Jon's interview. If not, the timing was certainly remarkable. Regardless, my comments about that interview still stand.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

Neither of them are classy, says it all. And I doubt any venue/market cares enough about Kate to give her a rebuttal, especially if they have to pay her for it. So Jon has his kids post-Xmas, and Milo knows Kate is 'away' on vacation, probably visiting Jamir or one of her sisters. At the end of the day, who really cares? I read the Philly article - thought Job created a bit of a hot mess for himself, but not on the kids's time or time. The Interviewer seemed to go out of his way to paint a skewed picture, but then again so did Vanity Fair with Kate. Moving on.

AuntieAnn said...

*They've always seemed to me like low income lottery winners who may have all the toys of rich people but never really changed their ways and lifestyle. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Speaking of winning the lottery, that's what Spencer is hoping for now that he and Heidi are broke and eating out of food trucks. What's wrong with reality tv one might ask? Everything.

http://www.celebuzz.com/2013-12-04/how-did-spencer-pratt-and-heidi-montag-blow-through-10-million-in-4-years/

Dmasy said...

Concerning Jon's finances -- I believe he has always indicated that he doesn't have a pot to piss in!

Localyocul said...

Dmasy said... 13
Concerning Jon's finances -- I believe he has always indicated that he doesn't have a pot to piss in!

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Badump bump haha

JMO said...

Vanessa said... 11
And let's say we are being played, it's a means to an end for Jon....money right? Then why not do dwts? Why say you needed therapy and this was "free" therapy? Why do THIS type of trash? Why sign on a show that is MOSTLY manufactured drama? Where you're encouraged to have a $hit show? He really hasn't learned a thing.
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I agree. Both Jon and Kate have never seriously considered the impact all of this crap (their crap) has had on the kids. I wish they both, for once in their lives, considered the impact their behavior has on the very kids who made them famous. These kids have to go to school every day, and these two fools never consider their kids first or the impact THEIR chosen behavior has on them.. (The kids NEVER asked for this.)

Kids can be very cruel, as simple as ignoring you, but these 2 have never ever really given these kids a chance at a "normal" life, as it was always about them. Old, tired and disgusting.

Tucker's Mom said...

Happy for you, understand how lonely it can feel without extended family in one's life.
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I have one older brother- he and his family live in Quakertown (Hi TFW's country!!) and he hugs the stuffing out of me when he sees me ;-)

Alcohol Flush Reaction said...

I'm surprised that no one here is Asian or has had experience with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

Alcohol flush reaction (also known as Asian flush syndrome, Asian flush, Asian glow, among others) is a condition in which an individual's face or body experiences flushes or blotches as a result of an accumulation of acetaldehyde, a metabolic byproduct of the catabolic metabolism of alcohol.

This syndrome has been associated with an increased risk of esophageal cancer in those who drink.[1] It has also been associated with lower than average rates of alcoholism, possibly due to its association with adverse effects after drinking alcohol.[2]

Flushing, or blushing, is associated with the erythema (reddening caused by dilation of capillaries) of the face, neck, shoulder, and in some cases, the entire body after consumption of alcohol.

Signs and symptoms[edit]

Individuals who experience the alcohol flushing reaction may be less prone to alcoholism. Disulfiram, a drug sometimes given as treatment for alcoholism, works by inhibiting acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, causing a five to tenfold increase in the concentration of acetaldehyde in the body. The resulting irritating flushing reaction is intended to discourage alcoholics from drinking.[3][4]

Causes[edit]

It is commonly thought that the flush reaction is caused by an inability to metabolize alcohol. To the contrary, around 80% of Asian people (less common in Thailand and India) have a variant of the gene coding for the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase called ADH1B, and almost all Chinese and Korean people have a variant of the gene called ADH1C, [7] both resulting in an alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme that converts alcohol to toxic acetaldehyde at a much higher efficiency than other gene variants (40 to 100-fold in case of ADH1B).[2] In about 50% of Asians, the increased acetaldehyde accumulation is worsened by another gene variant, the mitochondrial ALDH2 allele, which results in a less functional acetaldehyde dehydrogenase enzyme, responsible for the breakdown of acetaldehyde.[7] The result is that affected people may be better at metabolizing alcohol, often not feeling the alcohol "buzz" to the same extent as others, but show far more acetaldehyde-based side effects while drinking.

JMO said...

Forgot to add, two of the most persistent selfish parents ever.

Both parents need therapy (real therapy) in order to put their kids first. But not much hope with either who have put themselves first over the kids. Jon's "redemption tour" with OPRA, etc.. for what? Good dad/bad boy.. make up your mind Jon. Who are you? Your kids deserve some consistency, but neither parent seems to be able to put the kids first. Arrested development, narcissism ? -13 years later neither has figured out how to raise kids out of the spotlight and without putting themselves first.

Sorry if my disgust comes through, but that is how I feel about both of them at this juncture.

Vanessa said...

Alcohol Flush Reaction said... 19
I'm surprised that no one here is Asian or has had experience with this:

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I was going to say something about his being Asian...but didn't want it to be misconstrued.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Your kids deserve some consistency, but neither parent seems to be able to put the kids first. Arrested development, narcissism ? -13 years later neither has figured out how to raise kids out of the spotlight and without putting themselves first.

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The thing is, though, I don't see Jon going on television discussing the children, or making a radio appearance talking about bra shopping with the girls, or putting out a book with the kids plastered all over it, or tweeting cute little sayings from the children, or having a blog and posting pictures of the kids right and left, including a controversial photo of one of the twins in heels..

Blowing In The Wind said...

I'm surprised that no one here is Asian or has had experience with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

Alcohol flush reaction (also known as Asian flush syndrome, Asian flush, Asian glow, among others) is a condition in which an individual's face or body experiences flushes or blotches as a result of an accumulation of acetaldehyde, a metabolic byproduct of the catabolic metabolism of alcohol.

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Perhaps rumspringa doesn't contain that metabolic byproduct? :)

Localyocul said...

JMO I agree neither of them can decide who they are....brand? How about authentic self? Good dad/bad boy and Christian mom/ slutty Barbie . I feel for those kids

Vanessa said...

Jon's "redemption tour" with OPRA, etc.. for what? Good dad/bad boy.. make up your mind Jon. Who are you? Your kids deserve some consistency, but neither parent seems to be able to put the kids first.
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And this is where I am right now. I was even swayed to support his decision to be on CT after reading a lot of the posts on the subject. But I'm back to my first gut instinct, he will never learn, never grow.. He cannot be that stupid. He's making these choices. Whether it was all "a setup" or if he actually is as pompous and arrogant as he came across, HE'S putting it out there. You can't cry foul now and say the media is painting you a certain way. You KNOW the ins and outs of the industry. If it's for a paycheque, then own it. If you really are a douche, own that too. And I'm talking about the "brand" spiel.
The other stuff, well... tacky. I have called my mother every name in the book, in the presence of the RIGHT audience. He made such great strides in turning some people's perceptions of him around, all for what.
Still wondering why he would refuse DWTS?

Blowing In The Wind said...

I don't think TFW needs this article to poison the kids against Jon; she's managed just fine before this article and will continue long after it fades from the public's memory.

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But every little bit helps, and this was more than just a little bit. Up to this point, he was keeping a relatively low profile, and no amount of baiting him by passively throwing him under the bus was enough to rile him up enough to let loose on her. I think that bothered her; she couldn't really get his goat. Now, however, with him peeing in an unpaved driveway, drinking and driving, and calling her an a-hole has added fuel to the fire. Ammunition is stockpiled, and it's been a biggie when it comes to poisoning their minds even more. Kind of like the proverbial straw -- this is the big one. "Hey kids, your dad really showed his bad boy side and what a really is...a drunk low-life who slams your mother in a public forum. It's what I've been telling you all along. He's a no-good, so-and-so, and you're better off staying with me."

JMO said...

The thing is, though, I don't see Jon going on television discussing the children, or making a radio appearance talking about bra shopping with the girls, or putting out a book with the kids plastered all over it, or tweeting cute little sayings from the children, or having a blog and posting pictures of the kids right and left, including a controversial photo of one of the twins in heels..
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True. But his recent behavior undid a lot of what he stated he did not want to expose his kids to. Not something he should be proud of at all. I am also getting the impression that CT is not going to show him a favorable light, although he did horrible job with his Philadelphia Magazine interviews . No more reality tv, vs more reality tv for "therapy," acting like an idiot repeatedly throughout multiple meetings with the interview.

Honestly, I don't think Jon knows who he is or who he wants to be. Likewise with TFW. But all of this is done at the expense of their kids who suffer the constant humiliation of their parents' bad, selfish choices in their need to be "recognized."

Two selfish idiots raising 8 kids. And 13 years later still have not put their kids first, and ever considered the impact their selfish behavior has on the kids. Imagine going to school daily, and your friends knowing everything your parents think, feel, and how badly they act. This is far too much for any kid to handle. Never mind it never stops because of 2 self absorbed unbalanced people, who claim to be loving parents.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Erika ‏@edssweetheart7 12m
@Kateplusmy8 i cannot aford your cookbook ever give them away?My husband and i have combined family of 7 kids!

lol!! Maybe she should have entered the not-a-contest! I looked at the TL and she throws around the MOM OF 7 the same way Kate does the EIGHT thing!

FYI said...

One thing I noticed in the article, was that the reporter said that Jon was part of a seminar at Temple U about reality TV. I know Jon participated in a seminar at Temple U in January 2013. Has he been doing regular seminars there, or was the reporter putting out old news?

Here's an article about Jon participating in Jan. 2013:

http://www.fox.temple.edu/posts/2013/01/five-reality-stars/

Yet I can find nothing about Jon participating in another seminar that was more recent.

Layla said...

Tucker's Mom (18)
We were just in Q-town to visit family! It was my brother-in-law's brother and his wife and kids, so does that make him a BIL once removed? I don't know, but he loves to host a big holiday get-together. And he's a great big bear of a guy who gives great big bear hugs, too. Always fun. I'm dying to visit the Q-Mart. Have you been there?
I'm reading about Jon's interview (I'm catching up) and I really wish he and Kate would just disappear. They are both doing nothing but making a@@es of themselves at this point, scrambling to get back what they lost years ago and will never have again. This all has to be completely humiliating for the kids. They have to hear about it, and it has to affect them and their self-esteem. I think Kate believes that if she can get back on TV, it will all be worth it, but it's not. Her TV days are over, and now all she's accomplishing is damaging her children. I did feel for Jon after the lawsuit, but reading him talking about his "brand" made me think that he, like Kate, never moved on from his (false) reality TV persona. That so-called brand was created by TLC to sell a show. It's not real, and it never was. Both Jon and Kate got lost in the image, and apparently still believe it's real. That worries me. I keep thinking about what Kate said, "We can't go back". They also, apparently, can't move forward, either. They are living in some time warp, waiting for their old, fabricated lives to come back to them. It keeps them from living in the present, having new experiences, trying new things. Kate seems to be terrified that if she tries something new--I mean really tries--it means she's given up her dream of getting her old life back. She's holding herself back from enjoying her new life.
Kate and Jon, for Heaven's sake, stop waking up every day dreaming of getting your old life back. Start living your new life. Enjoy your time, your experiences, and especially your children. They won't go back to being toddlers. They are growing, developing, exploring their interests and the world around them. Take them places, let them experience new things (even of you have to pay for it, and even if you have to stand in line like everyone else). Develop your own interests, and accept the fact that you won't have a show about your interests. Kate, if you love cooking, why not take cooking classes? There are classes to take with your kids, and that would be a wonderful bonding experience. Take the kids to Hershey Park. Try Mommy and Me yoga. Take some classes at the community college, something fun like wine tasting or painting. Start living, both of you. Let the past stay in the past. Stop waiting.
Rant over.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I agree I think both of them have swayed whichever way the wind blows on brand. Whatever makes money probably. Remember what Scott said, she's inauthentic? I think that's a fair statement as to this whole family. Who are the Gosselins really? I'm not sure I know.

Alberta Girl said...

Dmasy said... 13
Concerning Jon's finances -- I believe he has always indicated that he doesn't have a pot to piss in!
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Ahahahahahahahahahaha! That made me laugh out loud! That's why I love reading here - such smart, intelligent posters!

handinhand said...

Way behind reading here so apologies if this extended clip of Celebrity Rehab has already been posted.

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/990787/couples-therapy-season-4-extended-preview.jhtml#id=1719578

Midnight Madness said...

Kate, if you love cooking, why not take cooking classes? There are classes to take with your kids, and that would be a wonderful bonding experience.

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I doubt that she loves cooking. It was just one of her trending things to do at the moment -- like CC, her coupon site, running, everything that she likes one minute and throws away the next minute. She sat down and tried to think about how to make money, and bingo, cooking...a cookbook! She cooks because the kids have to eat. I doubt if there's any passion there or desire to take classes. The cooking gimmick was one of those here today, gone tomorrow, things. Heck, she didn't even promote her book signing.

Formerly Duped said...

handinhand said... 33
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Thanks for the link. Not much of Jon shown on there.I don't get WHY he and Liz are on this show.Will it be about his relationship with her and TFW's ghost?

Farrah made the therapist cry? It seems she has some boyfriend who is in absentia? I don't think I'll be watching this, mainly b/c of her- she makes me ill.

I think this is a very poor career move or life decision, whatever one would call it, for Jon

handinhand said...

My bad. The clip I posted @33 is of Couples Therapy. Those types of shows sort of all morph together in my mind.

Midnight Madness said...

And 13 years later still have not put their kids first, and ever considered the impact their selfish behavior has on the kids. Imagine going to school daily, and your friends knowing everything your parents think, feel, and how badly they act.

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But what the Gosselin kids' parents think about each other isn't on the minds of the classmates daily. Their peers, at that age, have other things that occupy their waking moments, such as their classes, school activities, extra-curricular events, sports, latest crushes (young teens). Of course they could be aware that these kids are part of an ongoing back and forth battle between the parents, but I really don't think it occupies a central part of the daily life of their classmates. Kids that age have their own problems, their own concerns in their lives and I really doubt that they are fixated on what Mr. and Mrs. Gosselin are up to in the media and at home.

PatK said...

Kate's tweeting. Kids must be home.

Or, she's tweeting on the road. Who knows.

Meagler said...

Fleecing at 349 - you are right, he was putting people at risk with his drinking and driving I agree. I have no tolerance for that. I get the sense this interview happened over a period of days...... however as for the swearing and peeing... I have done those things so how can I judge another for that?

Alaskan Mama: yep, you got that right. Once again, what TLC showed us was the the realist of realiity shows. There was a lot of editing. I do believe that Jon does have a calm sense about him but has been pushed over the edge. We now know Jon smoked, but that was never shown on TV.

HA: Kate is going to make those kids read those submissions and decide on top 12. More work for her kids. and there's your delay, she doesnt have the kids right now....

Bitchy Pants said...

Vanessa said ". . . why not do dwts?" Maybe because DWTS would take too much time away from kids, home and job? My understanding is that this Couples Therapy show was filmed over the course of a week or so. DWTS requires at least a few weeks of intense practicing prior to the beginning of the show, plus all that filming and intense practice after the show begins to air. Even if eliminated in the first round, a time commitment of at least a month, and probably longer, would be required. And I seriously doubt that ABC and DWTS would arrange to build him his own private dance floor and send his partner to live in PA for the duration.

My theory on Jon and his behaviors. And I may just be talking through my hat, but please bear with me. Jon doesn't know who he is and he's still feeling his way. I think he's trying, but it's a process. He was barely out of adolescence when TFMJG dug her claws in and then proceeded to dominate his every move, including how he was supposed to breathe. She didn't allow him the opportunity to grow and develop and mature at his own rate and as his own person. He's still stuck in his early 20's emotionally. I think he's trying to grow up and he's made progress, but as anyone who's been around kids, or raised kids knows, it takes time. It's usually a one step forward and two or three steps back (or as someone here said, ten steps back). He needs to hurry up and complete the process, but it isn't easy. He needs more therapy but, as he said, he can't afford it. So he's muddling through the best he can. Unfortunately, there are 8 kids involved. I still hold out far more hope for him than for TFMJG. He appears to WANT to do right by the kids. She only wants to do right by herself. Okay -- you're now free to pick this apart, LOL. I've donned my flame-retardant suit, but please, be kind anyway.

Yeah, He Did said...

The thing is, though, I don't see Jon going on television discussing the children...
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That is not true. He discussed his children in the recent Oprah Where Are They Now interview.

handinhand said...

Pssst...hey Jon.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

JoyinVirginia said...

Local yokul, love the Ceeeement Pond reference! Also she has lots of Critters jes' like Elly May Clampett!
and TFMJG cooks like Granny! Possum fricasee!

Rhymes with Witch said...

Bitchy Pants 40

I think you made some good points.

lukebandit said...

It would of been much better for Jon to have chose DWTS and earn the money to pay for therapy than accept free therapy for him and Liz by appearing on the show that he is going to be on and see all the frustration, anger.

I was a huge supporter of him getting on DWTS and I am stunned that he turned it down. The only reason I could come up with him turning it down was because the kids would have to stay with kate much more.

Wish they could of stayed at Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodie.

Vanessa said...

My theory on Jon and his behaviors. And I may just be talking through my hat, but please bear with me. Jon doesn't know who he is and he's still feeling his way. I think he's trying, but it's a process. He was barely out of adolescence when TFMJG dug her claws in and then proceeded to dominate his every move, including how he was supposed to breathe. She didn't allow him the opportunity to grow and develop and mature at his own rate and as his own person. He's still stuck in his early 20's emotionally. I think he's trying to grow up and he's made progress, but as anyone who's been around kids, or raised kids knows, it takes time.
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I absolutely agree with your point, up to the part "it takes time". I don't know how much more time he has. It IS time, time to put on the big boy pants. Whoever said he is living in the past is right. We gave him kudos for "seeing the light" wanting to better himself. A lot of us forgave him because he was a victim. Now he has to stop using that as an excuse. You say tfw didn't allow him the opportunity to grow, I get that. I'm the first to say he was a victim of spousal abuse, but it can't be the crutch some people give him anymore. I'm convinced he will always be an adolescent. He's a better parent, loves his kids but there's just something I can't quite put my finger on now. It can't all be from being married to tfw.

JMO said...

Bitchy Pants 40
I've donned my flame-retardant suit, but please, be kind anyway.
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No flame-retardant suit needed : ) You are a great poster and we all are entitled to our opinions. In PA, every county has a sliding scale for counseling if one desires to go. Likewise for TFW.

On another note, kids in small private schools can be brutal if you "don't fit in," or are not the norm. Apparently neither parent has ever considered that. Even after the expulsion.

Vanessa said...

As much as I don't really like Dr. Phil, I think this quote of his applies in this case:

"The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior"

Jon is not even remotely guilty of the atrocious things tfw has done, that's my view. But after this stupid interview, he's proven he's just as much of a famewhore as tfw. Who knows what he would have said had he muzzle not been on him all these years? And if "IF" it is all for the show,pr to drum up controversy and interest, then nothing is beneath him.

handinhand said...

@40 said:
"... He needs more therapy but, as he said, he can't afford it. So he's muddling through the best he can."

Maybe he could fund it by dipping into the cigarette/alcohol portion of his budget or cashing in the fishbowl full of beer caps for scrap. Less chance of drunken, profanity laced interviews making it to print that way as well.
I know, I know. We don't know he was drunk during this interview. Would it really be any better to know those incoherent ramblings of a man child with one foot stuck in former pseudocelebrityville and the other stuck in his mouth were that of a sober guy?

Over In TFW's County said...

He needs more therapy but, as he said, he can't afford it. So he's muddling through the best he can. Unfortunately, there are 8 kids involved. I still hold out far more hope for him than for TFMJG. He appears to WANT to do right by the kids. She only wants to do right by herself. Okay -- you're now free to pick this apart, LOL. I've donned my flame-retardant suit, but please, be kind anyway.

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Bitchy, I agree with everything you said. I just have a problem with his drinking, driving, and relieving himself in public. I don't care if you grew up in the country and peed in the meadow (to the amusement of the sheep); or if you grew up in the city where you peed against the subway walls. It's just not something an adult does in public especially not in the presence of a reporter who is a stranger, and not in someone's driveway. It't called public urination, and you can get into trouble for it, even if it's on private property but you can be seen from a public area or road. Maybe in some neck of the woods this is acceptable behavior, but around here, not so much.

Jon needs to find himself, and I do believe that there is hope for him. Kate, nope. She's living in the past and will no doubt end up another Norma Desmond, and that's very sad. It would take much more therapy and personal introspect for her than with Jon. The one thing I can say is that Jon makes no beans about who he is at any given moment. He says what he thinks, behaves how he wants and doesn't care if it doesn't meet with public approval. It is what it is.

With Kate, it's fake all the way. We saw the various phases of their lives -- the "we're blessed by God" and the Christian schtick put out there with the Bible verses, and then Kate moved to her hooker and flaunting her big bazooms stage, and now this Mother Earth, great cook, lacrosse Mom thing going on. It seems like she's throwing anything out there to see what sticks. Their search for an identity is coming in their late 30s, and both of them have a long way to go. Admin is right -- who ARE these people?

Over In TFW's County said...

The thing is, though, I don't see Jon going on television discussing the children...
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That is not true. He discussed his children in the recent Oprah Where Are They Now interview.

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In general terms, maybe, but did he name names, call out each child and discuss puberty, specifically bringing attention to each child on a personal level, as Kate does in her tweets and blogs?

I'm asking because I really don't know what was discussed in that interview.

Anonymous said...

Dmasy said... 13
Concerning Jon's finances -- I believe he has always indicated that he doesn't have a pot to piss in!

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Or a window to throw it out of. (My dad's expression) :)

PJ

LeeLee said...

So many excellent points being made, I don't know where to begin.

Timing wise, Tweetle and others are probably right, that this interview and it's unfortunate flavor are likely a stunt to garner interest in CT, and we are being used. Fine, I'd rather be manipulated than have Jon truly be the dumbass he was portrayed as. However, others have mentioned the idea that both Jon and Kate may be stuck in the past, clinging to their old "brands". I've wondered that same thing from time to time. They were both quite young and so gung-ho about their show at first, it makes me wonder if they've lost themselves along the way. For several years they both were playing a part, pretending to be a caricature of real life. Is it possible neither one remembers who their authentic self is?
One of the things I remember jon complaining about just before the public split, was not being able to just be himself out in public. In hindsight, I imagined it was really hard on him to fake being happily married for so long. They were probably lying to the kids about it too. We've also discussed here how Kate's still playing out episodes on twitter, and her picking up and dropping the marathoning, coupons, etc, as a way of redefining her public image over and over.
Gets me thinking about the first few comments on this thread. Reality TV is bad for kids, and their parents too.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

. Just saying, if this was tfw, the comments would be flying.

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The comments are flying though. Flying like crazy. People are outraged. There's no double standard.

The drinking is just something we don't have enough information on. How strong the drinks were, what time he drank them, how long it was before he got behind the wheel, what Jon's tolerance level is. Only a medical expert can evaluate whether someone is an alcoholic, and it can't be done through reading an interview with someone that doesn't even answer most of the questions you need answered to determine whether someone is a danger behind the wheel. And if he were so darn plastered then why didn't the reporter take his keys? Seems to me you cease being a journalist when someone is putting others at risk. The journalist never said he was driving recklessly or he needed to take his keys. And you can bet that guy would say so if he had to!

I have no idea if Kate is an alcoholic. I have the same concerns with her drinking habits as Jon's. Just because it's wine and you do it at home doesn't mean you don't have a serious problem. But for all I know they both hold their liquor just fine and have no problem. Or maybe they do have a problem with liquor. There's not enough information to know. I hope they both have friends and family in their lives who would intervene if either ever crosses the line. But it's a serious accusation that should not be thrown around lightly by strangers. In fact one of the very few celebrity lawsuits over libel in the U.S. was won by Carole Burnett. She got a publication slammed for calling her an alcoholic just because she tossed back a few at an event. She was perfectly sober and together and appropriate, and deeply offended.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I wonder if he felt like DWTS just wasn't "him."

It's ABC/Disney, you have to be clean cut, it's a bubble gum show. Most of the celebs who go on there have to behave themselves and I tend to think a lot who go on are being fake. Also he complained a lot about how much Kate left the kids for DWTS, so it would be hypocritical for him to leave for the same show. I noticed he was quick to point out Couples Therapy was only two weeks. As if implying that it would be an issue for him if filming lasted longer. That aside, I wish he had done DWTS instead.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't know how much more time he has. It IS time, time to put on the big boy pants.

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I do tend to agree with this. The time has come.

Yes Kate is an asshole, yes she's an obsessed parental alienator of the worst kind, yes it really stinks to co parent with her, yes you got screwed by TLC. And many people felt for the guy for a very long time, sympathized with him, supported him. But at this point, oh well, that's your cross to bear. Lots of people have been dealt a shitty hand and they don't behave like this. You get dealt the things you are dealt and you can either pout like a child over it or as said, put on your big boy pants and get on with life. I really, really think therapy or some kind of life coach would help. He needs to figure out how to cope with the way things turned out so that he can be the best father he can be to his children. They need him to grow up and be the best he can be for them, especially with a mother like Kate.

Barbara said...

I just read the interview with Jon and all I can say is, what was he thinking? After his behaviour in 2009, he appeared to have spent the last four years redeeming his image and gaining the public's sympathy again - only to come across now as a foul-mouthed, hard-drinking, immature and irresponsible fame wh*ore.

Anon this time said...

Has anyone here lived through such a financially unbalanced relationship? Where one parent is (at very least) emotionally abusive and living such a comfortable lifestyle, while the other well...struggling? Add to this multiple financially draining lawsuits?
After a while the affects are similar to shell shock. You take up smoking, you don't sleep regularly and every single stinking day it is there for you to think about. All over his house he has reminders and too for him, now all over the internet, his hometown, he cannot escape it. The emotional and mental abuse never goes away.

Vanessa said...

Two of the Jersey Shore cast are anything but wholesome and they were on dwts

chefsummer #Leh said...

Dmasy said... 13
Concerning Jon's finances -- I believe he has always indicated that he doesn't have a pot to piss in!
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LOL maybe TFMJG took it in the divorce.

Aunt Connie said...

handinhand said... 33
Way behind reading here so apologies if this extended clip of Celebrity Rehab has already been posted.

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/990787/couples-therapy-season-4-extended-preview.jhtml#id=171957

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Hey, now, that is some low-class tv viewing. Ugh.The preview is a little more than 4 minutes long. Four minutes was way too long for me. I checked out right after Farrah Abraham's profile view. She looks like Donald Duck. This is viewing I am happy to live without. Trash, total trash.

AuntieAnn said...

LOL maybe TFMJG took it in the divorce.

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Or he repurposed it as beer cap container.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Two of the Jersey Shore cast are anything but wholesome and they were on dwts

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The show is wholesome. I didn't say the cast is. The Jersey shore members were expected to behave themselves. No cursing, no wild parties, no unsavory behavior. Neither of them ever did anything over the top on DWTS.

If you go on that show, you agree to behaving yourself. It's a family show on a family network at 8 o'clock. I'm sure their contracts specify what kind of behavior is appropriate for the show, and it's not stuff that would be allowed on MTV. I imagine many celebs were unwilling to conform and passed, Jon perhaps being one of them.

Carole said...

"It would of been much better for Jon to have chose DWTS and earn the money to pay for therapy than accept free therapy for him and Liz by appearing on the show that he is going to be on and see all the frustration, anger."

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I wish they'd chosen that route, too. I think Jon may have felt he was getting the best of all worlds - he was going to be back on tv, getting free therapy, AND he was getting paid. Despite the so called plusses for doing the show, I don't in any way like the idea of Jon doing it since imo the negatives far outweigh any benefits of exposing himself and his relationship on tv. CT is a sensationalistic, exploitative show that features D-Z list has-been celebs trying to get themselves back in circulation and rehab their images. It's cheap reality tv.



"Who knows what he would have said had he muzzle not been on him all these years?"

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What muzzle? Other than TLC's muzzle which ended a few years ago, I think the only muzzle on Jon has been self-imposed and for the better part of the time he did a good job keeping his own lips zipped. As so many have already said, neither J or K knows who they are. I'd imagine the pull to be back in the limelight must be incredible for those who've had a taste of celebrity and don't know who they are, almost like an addict needing their fix. There must be something missing (maturity, self esteem, ?) that some people can't go back to their mediocre lives after experiencing a bit of 'celebrity-hood'. It's no excuse for not moving on, despite the difficulty, however.

Lalalalala said...

I'm fascinated by reading everyone's different view points. This is what happens when people come together from all over the country, and elsewhere, to voice their opinions. I love it!

Formerly Duped said...

Midnight Madness said... 37
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Agree in general, but kids always find time to tease, and Mady said herself some kids have done.

I know my kids' peers did plenty of it to various children for things beyond their control, such as their parents( or appearance, or wealth, or any weakness etc etc. Kids can be really mean)

Localyocul said...

Ugh according to that clip he and Liz took a break and he slept with a few women and one moved in. And they show him with the bat destroying a dining room screaming why does everything have to be perfect? This is gonna be a train wreck

Anonymous said...

did anyone consider maybe Jon's friend wasn't home when he stopped by? Thus, the side of the driveway. ( ps. DD will tell you a male marking will keep predators at bay.)

I lived in rural NS for years, left my mark too=)

franky

handinhand said...

did anyone consider maybe Jon's friend wasn't home when he stopped by?
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Or was she one of the chatterers making small talk for a few minutes before they left? The writer really doesn't clarify, but given that Jon ran an errand specifically for her, she may have been out there at some point during urine-gate. At this point, I wouldn't put it past him.

Craziness said...

@msgoody2shoes21 6h
@Kateplusmy8 Word to the wise. Don't be like Jon. Don't publicly bash him. He's a pitiful man that can't let go of the past. Take high road.

Classic sheeple tweet...

handinhand said...

The drinking is just something we don't have enough information on. How strong the drinks were, what time he drank them, how long it was before he got behind the wheel, what Jon's tolerance level is.
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Really? He reportedly has two whiskeys at one establishment, an absurdly large designer beer at a second place and then says let's do shots after speaking despicably about Hailey Glassman and stating he wants to get the eff out of there before peeing openly while being interviewed. And didn't the people that met him on the plane or in the airport on his way to CT also drink with him at the airport bar? I'm taking a wild guess...the guy drinks waaay too much. Wonder if Liz was proud to show her family her boyfriend's interview?

Vanessa said...

What muzzle? Other than TLC's muzzle which ended a few years ago, I think the only muzzle on Jon has been self-imposed and for the better part of the time he did a good job keeping his own lips zipped.
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Yes, I was referring to TLC's muzzle. Correct me if I'm wrong, but did some of us not come to the conclusion that the "muzzle" (end of contract) came off at the time of the Round Table interview? Not years ago?

Admin, I took your comment about dwts being wholesome as they only let contestants who ARE wholesome compete. Can't see it being a stipulation or a negative in regards to why Jon would/wouldn't compete.

Anon this time- I hear what you're saying and I have complete empathy for Jon. But he can't keep using his hell of a former wife as his crutch. Shell shock, yes. But there are many MANY of us here who have survived worse, survived atrocities you can't imagine-and have decided to hold their heads up high and strive to live by a higher standard (not trying to be sanctimonious) and would never ever sign up to do anything close to this CT. Pure trash, pure controversy, pure crap. Yes, it takes a certain kind of person/personality to do these types of shows. They all have a certain something (whatever that may be) in common. He has the benefit of hindsight, and yet he signed up again.

Vanessa said...

And they show him with the bat destroying a dining room screaming why does everything have to be perfect? This is gonna be a train wreck
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and there you have it

AuntieAnn said...

Lots of people have been dealt a shitty hand and they don't behave like this. You get dealt the things you are dealt and you can either pout like a child over it or as said, put on your big boy pants and get on with life.

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Amen Admin. Knock on anyone's door and they will have a sad story to tell. I don't know why these two think they're the only ones in the world with issues, and why they have to blab it to said world.
Actually I take that back. They do it because it might put them back on the reality tv map that made them a boat load of money, perks and fame the first time around.

I'm a little disappointed in Jon's interview. I think he just undid what he seemed to work so hard to achieve. I'm starting to believe he really was bitten by the same bug as Kate.

Vanessa said...

I'm a little disappointed in Jon's interview. I think he just undid what he seemed to work so hard to achieve. I'm starting to believe he really was bitten by the same bug as Kate.
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That's what I think too. He tried on different hats (much like tfw) maybe trying to get someone in TEVEE land to notice and when nobody took the bait (I've changed etc) he took whatever was offered to him. If it was a matter of how much time he'd be away from his kids (not taking dwts) this choice will result in more negatives than positives (as someone upthread posted) Just look at the clips they're showing. dwts may have gone overboard with giving tfw whatever she demanded, but I'm sure they would have reasonably accommodated Jon. He's not the only one who competes that has a family, or another job.

handinhand said...

Here"s a quote from Walden's author. For any parent wishing reality tv upon their kids:

"and the cost of a thing is the amount
of what I will call life which is required to be exchanged for it,
immediately or in the long run”
― Henry David Thoreau, Walden

Vanessa said...

This discussion has been really good:)
Will be back in the morning-off to watch Blackfish.

handinhand said...

But there are many MANY of us here who have survived worse, survived atrocities you can't imagine-and have decided to hold their heads up high and strive to live by a higher standard (not trying to be sanctimonious)
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A and Men.
Sing it Sistah.

handinhand said...

I hate it when Jon mucks up and makes Kate look like the better person.
She's so not.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Given that Jon was wearing eye protection during the bat incident, it sounds like a pre arranged therapeutic expertise.

Albeit a pretty stupid one. But what do I know about therapy.

Sherry Baby said...

Actually I take that back. They do it because it might put them back on the reality tv map that made them a boat load of money, perks and fame the first time around.

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Except that this time around, who would want them? They are too controversial, and nobody would touch that mess with a ten-foot pole. I mean, what network would want to be associated with their shenanigans? The kids have lost the cuteness factor, so they're not the draw, and if you read the blogs and tabs, the general feeling is that Jon and Kate are so history and not relevant by any means.
Milo and some of the sheeple would watch, and a show would keep them in ecstasy for awhile, but neither Kate nor Jon would be enough to pull in the ratings.

AuntieAnn said...

Aargh. Can't watch the clip in Canada. A bat?! WTH?

Sherry Baby said...

@msgoody2shoes21 6h
@Kateplusmy8 Word to the wise. Don't be like Jon. Don't publicly bash him. He's a pitiful man that can't let go of the past. Take high road.

But yet it's okay for the sheeple to publicly bash him on Twitter, and heaven knows, that this particular tweeter has a past (hatred for men) that she can't let go of, as well as her hammering away for months on Jon's manhood. She couldn't let go of that.. Are these fans not capable of looking into the mirror?

Jane D Doe ‏@MsDoe2U 23m
@BuzzedBunny @Kateplusmy8 Sad indeed. Not setting a good example for his kids.

But when Kate got drunk in a New York bar and let a guy lick her foot..and the whole thing was filmed -- that was setting a good example for her kids?

Sheeple hypocrisy is amazing.

Unknown said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 80
''Given that Jon was wearing eye protection during the bat incident, it sounds like a pre arranged therapeutic expertise.
Albeit a pretty stupid one. But what do I know about therapy. ''
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Well, there you go again, Admin. You actually noticed that Jon was wearing eye protection, and came to a logical conclusion that it seemed a ''therapeutic expertise.'' (Though I suspect you meant a therapeutic exercise?) You didn't have a cow about Jon destroying a dining room, leaving the impression for those who haven't seen the clip that Jon was nuts! I noticed that Jon was joined by the other couples in that clip, and they ALL had on protective eye gear. It has been my experience that sometimes therapists ask you to do seemingly weird things!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Amen Admin. Knock on anyone's door and they will have a sad story to tell. I don't know why these two think they're the only ones in the world with issues, and why they have to blab it to said world.

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Yes, yes, yes. This has always bothered me about both of them, from almost day one. They think they're special. They think no one could have it as tough as them, no one understands (arrogant statement right there), they deserve everything they've been so generously given to them for free because they were dealt a certain hand. Jon let go of some of this ridiculous attitude for awhile and it was a relief, but now it's apparent he STILL hasn't buried all those feelings.

Do they know how many people out there would love that their only major "problem" is eight kids and a divorce and money's a bit tight (who doesn't have to be careful with money?!)? I mean get a grip.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Uh, yeah you did. You said, "You have to be clean cut."

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Uh, when you are on the SHOW you have to be clean cut. Sorry that was not clear. I'm well aware of their cast list.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

You didn't have a cow about Jon destroying a dining room, leaving the impression for those who haven't seen the clip that Jon was nuts!

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Well when going on rampages destroying rooms, it's always wise to reach for the eye protection first right? I know this is how it usually goes for most room-destroyers? Right?

I hate reality T.V. and I hate manipulation.

Carole said...

Given that Jon was wearing eye protection during the bat incident, it sounds like a pre arranged therapeutic expertise.

Albeit a pretty stupid one. But what do I know about therapy.

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Admin, you're right, that is a popular exercise that a great many therapy/rehab/self-help shows film. I guess it looks good on film, idk. Who knows if the technique works. There's no doubt in my mind it will be a part of the show.

Carole said...

Except that this time around, who would want them? They are too controversial, and nobody would touch that mess with a ten-foot pole. I mean, what network would want to be associated with their shenanigans?

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WE know that, but they don't or can't see it or refuse to accept it for whatever reason.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It's probably one of those therapy things where you need to "destroy " your past to let go of bad things and the act of physically destroying things might help. They were probably encouraged to let out every negative thought. I tend to be very skeptical of a lot of therapy, I've seen a lot of hacks out there. But if it helps so be it.

And yes everyone was doing it. Much ado about nothing.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

They are too controversial, and nobody would touch that mess with a ten-foot pole. I mean, what network would want to be associated with their shenanigans?


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Except every now and again they get thrown a bone. VH1 and Oprah for Jon, CWS, Home and Family, GMA etc., for Kate. These little cameos are hardly a career but again it's like that apple, they just need the tiniest taste and they're hooked all over again. If everyone would just stop with the bones and scraps it might stop.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes Carole and the problem is the networks often take these things out of context. The headline is Jon destroys a room with a bat, and no one mentions oh by the way it was a therapeutic exercise his therapist insisted everyone do. When you finally see the actual show, it makes a lot more sense as therapy and the viewer realizes, oh guess they weren't really destroying rooms.

Again why I wouldn't want to be on reality T.V. It would make me sick if I were just trying to cooperate with a therapist and be open to the activities they want me to try, and then some network starts airing a bunch of previews making it look like I'm angry and out of control destroying things with bats when I was just trying to do what the therapist asked.

Jon is not the first to fall victim to this manipulation and won't be the last. If you don't like it the safest thing to do is not sign up for reality T.V.

Sherry Baby said...

I noticed that Jon was joined by the other couples in that clip, and they ALL had on protective eye gear. It has been my experience that sometimes therapists ask you to do seemingly weird things!

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I've never had an experience with a therapist (maybe that's my problem), but it certainly seemed like that scene was staged...drama at its worst).
Why are Milo and Kate always missing at the same time?

reader said...

Hefeweizen is always served in a tall glass..."absurdly tall" tells me this author doesn't get out much. The glass is also narrow.
And yes many of us have "survived" (a relative term) worse but were able to move on. There was a beginning and an end, and it was not displayed all over the media. IMO she uses the children as pawns. And I don't imagine most faced repeated lawsuits, 2 which were backed by the media company.
And I think having your life altered nearly out of control has an affect on a person.
If drinking and smoking is what he does after so much emotional abuse, I say he is doing well. And you know what, she is an ahole.
And I imagine most ex's have used that term over and over again.
He is honest and raw, not pretentious, not a user of innuendo.
He never presumed to be perfect.
I think he needs comforting not criticism and judgement. He doesn't have a handler, a manager or a PR person like bigger celebs. They aren't perfect either, just they have someone to airbrush all the gritty bits out.

Lalalalala said...

And they show him with the bat destroying a dining room screaming why does everything have to be perfect? This is gonna be a train wreck

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These are part of the therapy sessions where they are let loose in a controlled environment where the therapist is telling them to confront their demons and physically destroy that which has made them angry. I've seen every episode of this program. Jon wasn't just 'having at it' out of the blue.

Barbara said...

After reading all the comments on this site, I can only conclude that Jon is not very bright. Not that Kate is eligible for membership in Mensa, but she does have a certain level of shrewdness and cunning - I could never see her drinking and swearing in front of a reporter, for instance.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think it's kind of embarrassing your own fans have to tell you to STFU and don't reply to this nonsense, take the high road. I mean shouldn't Kate know that without a lecture?

Although I actually give the fans credit for being honest with her and telling her don't you DARE open your mouth. She needs fans who are honest with her. This is the first and probably only time I will give Goody credit.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Why are Milo and Kate always missing at the same time?

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Remember a couple months ago Milo, Kate AND myself were all missing for like three days? Orange juice nearly came out my nose when I read the comments about me being Milo.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Here's something for the sheeple to ponder. They insist that reality T.V. did not damage the children.

Well, let's say it didn't. But what if it damages their PARENTS? The people charged with raising them. What if it so destroyed the parents that they had difficulty being the best parents they could be? Doesn't that in turn harm the children?

Anonymous said...

hand in hand, re: post 69.

sheesh, this is gonna be fodder for sheeple no matter what we say.

Ok, diving in.


Country is country, city is city, am so torn, lol, ...NOT!!!!

just saying,...

In Rural, wayw-back 30 km from city, if weather was coming in, we 6 neighbors would pool our needs to get through,.

Last one in from town stopped at all houses on their way home.

Next time?...

TAG, you're it!

franky

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And didn't the people that met him on the plane or in the airport on his way to CT also drink with him at the airport bar?

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That's taking it too far. I don't drink much, but I'll stop by the airport bar if I have time and get a drink. I hate flying, and one or two drinks helps with the nerves. I think sleeping pills or other things I could try can be dangerous at high elevations. His flight was part of a massive delay due to a domestic terrorist attack--the guy is allowed to have a drink at the airpot. He's not flying the plane.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

s after speaking despicably about Hailey Glassman

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She fabricated out of her butt text messages that apparently formed the basis of a very stressful and time consuming and expensive law suit for him. And she got away with it. Sober or not anyone would speak despicably about her. Not sure what that proves.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Why are Milo and Kate always missing at the same time?
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Maybe KK finally went to meet Milo an the dog named Kate and all three of them ran away together

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Kids that age have their own problems, their own concerns in their lives and I really doubt that they are fixated on what Mr. and Mrs. Gosselin are up to in the media and at home.

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I tend to agree with this. We see this as a novelty and often an absurdity, their peers just see them as their friends. Kids don't focus on the sort of drama that adults do or even if they did it's surely long worn off. This is just like the elementary school I used to frequent in L.A. Full of celebrity children and looked just like any other school in middle America. Normal, no one cares whose mom or dad is who or what the tabloids are saying, YAWN. They want to know about video games and sports and the 5th grade dance and who is holding hands with who. Kids have a wonderful indifference to celebrity culture at that age that we lose as we get older.

The only good thing about this sad article is I doubt most of their peers bother to read Philadelphia Magazine even if they WERE interested in what was going on with these two jokers. The article was very long and not geared toward kids or about anything remotely interesting to a child even if they know the kids. I can't see a kid getting past page one. And thank God for that. Sadly I can see a simpler article in US Weekly half a page long with lots of photos staring them in the face in the grocery store to be something they are far more likely to pick up and read and make fun of the kids later about.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Lest anyone give TFW too much credit for discretion in the presence of reporters, let's remember those 3 infamous words, spoken hours after the "purseful of bills" interview: "I want Nobu!"

Greedy Gosselins said...

I agree with whoever above suggested that if Jon is so hard up for money, how about quitting the expensive smoking and drinking habit? He'd fell a ton better about himself and can use the extra cash to help raise his kids that he admitted he only sees every other weekend and one day a week.

Seriously, this guy digusts me. Just as Kate disgusted me with her speeding, this disgusts me that he'd get behind a vehicle after even ONE drink. What a selfish jerk.

Someone else suggested this interview was to drum up viewers for that trash show. I think it's doing the opposite. No one wants to watch trash (Jon) on a trash show.

And he slept with a few MORE women when he and Liz separated? Good lord. The guy acts like he's 18 years old. Grow the 'f' up, dude! You have 8 children watching.

localyocul said...

Lalalalala said... 95
And they show him with the bat destroying a dining room screaming why does everything have to be perfect? This is gonna be a train wreck

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These are part of the therapy sessions where they are let loose in a controlled environment where the therapist is telling them to confront their demons and physically destroy that which has made them angry. I've seen every episode of this program. Jon wasn't just 'having at it' out of the blue.

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Yes, I know it was more the cheating allegations that I was thinking of re: train wreck.

localyocul said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 90
It's probably one of those therapy things where you need to "destroy " your past to let go of bad things and the act of physically destroying things might help.

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Exactly. I think the dining room was to signify TFW's anal need to have everything spic and span (if the housekeeper or kids do it) and he was to smash that notion. Which will be kind of funny haha it sounds like he does discuss her. The therapist even said he is taking out issues re: TFW on Liz.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The therapist even said he is taking out issues re: TFW on Liz.

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If the therapist is saying that he is not dealing with his issues with Kate in a healthy manner, maybe there is hope for this therapy yet. They would be absolutely right about that. Same goes for Kate and her issues with Jon.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm going to have to do a search for VH1 on the boob tube. I don't think I've watched that channel since I had a chemistry textbook in my lap and a can of Squirt and a bagel smothered in strawberry cream cheese by my side. The good ole days.

localyocul said...

Anonymous said... 68
did anyone consider maybe Jon's friend wasn't home when he stopped by? Thus, the side of the driveway

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No, because the writer said the friend asked him to pick up cigarettes for her..

Sorry people for being vague about the bat and the dining room. Yes, it was obviously therapy. There was a shorter clip of the bat and him released earlier so I assumed y'all reailzed that.

localyocul said...

I saw Ghostbusters was on and turned it on not realizing it was on VH1. Guess what they're advertising?

NJGal51 said...

@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 I was hoping Mady got U the "new, improved updated edition" of #GrowABoyfriend...just to tide U over 2ur real LitesOutManComes!
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Seriously Milo, why don't you just send TFW a "personal massager"!

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Someone else suggested this interview was to drum up viewers for that trash show. I think it's doing the opposite. No one wants to watch trash (Jon) on a trash show.

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I was thinking about that, .too. I wonder if the whole thing was a set-up by the network; they got the reporter, the reporter did some homework; someone suggested to get Jon to loosen up at a bar because he'd no doubt talk with a few under his belt. Jon fell for it, but I don't imagine that he expected the backlash coming out of this. If it was for publicity, then it backfired on him big time.

Berks Neighbor said...

TFW and Jon's experiences could fill a college psych course requirement.

There are a couple of reasons why I believe Jon was sleeping around and is trying to act like a young stud. . Firstly, he was terribly emasculated by his (former) wife in front of millions of viewers on national television, in interviews, and in tabloid magazines. Then on twitter, he has been endlessly ridiculed by faceless twits who lam-blast him for a rumor from a scorned lover about his 'size'.
Then there is a mental and emotional need that a man has about being able to protect and care for his family - that was taken from him by TFW and TLC when they ostracized him not only from the television community and his fanbase, but also from his children. He had tried to live up to an unacheivable expectation that both TFW and TLC put upon him. He's just a normal, sometimes jerky, but loveable guy who only wanted to be able to care for his family.

Additionally, TFW needs to turn to twitter to constantly fill the void of love she feels she deserves at every waking moment. Her need for adulation and acknowledgement of her supposed success(es) has led her to an unhealthy concentration on her diet and exercise, because there are/were many who pointed out her flaws (physical, mental, and emotional). She, herself, could deal with the physical characteristics that were pointed out (diet, exercise, plastic surgery), but she doesn't have the ability to deal with the mental and emotional flaws, so she constantly seeks to slather on a covering layer of 'look how great a mom I am' tweets.

I completely understand why they act the way they do, I don't however, endorse any such behavior by both of them. I just wish TFW wouldn't be such a b*tch all the time.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

And he slept with a few MORE women when he and Liz separated? Good lord. The guy acts like he's 18 years old. Grow the 'f' up, dude! You have 8 children watching.

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,,,and I sometimes wonder if they're watching when Stevie travels with them. What have they seen, if anything, and are they too young (the little ones) to know that your mom sitting on the beach and going out to dinner with a married man really isn't what a "normal" mom does.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

That's taking it too far. I don't drink much, but I'll stop by the airport bar if I have time and get a drink. I hate flying, and one or two drinks helps with the nerves. I think sleeping pills or other things I could try can be dangerous at high elevations. His flight was part of a massive delay due to a domestic terrorist attack--the guy is allowed to have a drink at the airpot. He's not flying the plane.

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You and me both, admin. I hate flying with a passion. I've tried the pills and they work, but you miss the next two days of your vacation because of the "hangover" from the pills. I'll have a drink (or two) in an airport before a flight because it does tend to relax me a bit. But I keep reminding myself not to imbibe too much because in an emergency I'd probably go down the emergency exit slide head first!

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Barbara (96) said...

"Not that Kate is eligible for membership in Mensa, but she does have a certain level of shrewdness and cunning - I could never see her drinking and swearing in front of a reporter, for instance."

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She just gets smashed at a bar in New York City, has a hangover, and it's all caught on camera.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

MsGoody2Shoes21 ‏@msgoody2shoes21 1h
@Kateplusmy8 can always go back to COURT and seek child support from her children's father. My gosh! The man works full-time & has TV show!

She really is obsessed with this child support issue, isn't she? If she is so concerned about Kate's finances, maybe she should chip in a dollar or two.

Jon has a TV show? When did this happen?

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Kate's back and Milo's back! Yay!

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 6m
@Kateplusmy8 How's the sportsmanship among the 8? I'm so competitive...I think U are too..hard lesson 4me 2teach kids..#BeHappyWinOrLose :)

Yes, Milo, we have all seen you compete for Kate's affection.

Greedy Gosselins said...

He had tried to live up to an unacheivable expectation that both TFW and TLC put upon him. He's just a normal, sometimes jerky, but loveable guy who only wanted to be able to care for his family.


Nope. I'm done making excuses for him. But that's just me. I can't find anyone 'loveable' who urinates in public and drives intoxicated.

We tell Kate it was years ago that she was on tv and she needs to get on with her life, right? So does Jon. Enough already.

I'll bet Jon's mother just shakes her head at his behaviour. If I remember correctly. she was not too happy with his doing interviews again. And she was right. He can't handle himself.

DisgustedbyKate said...

If Jon needs therapy because of Kate and her horrible behavior/attitude then I'm pretty sure the children need/ will need therapy also. I wonder exactly what happened in Kate's childhood (if anything) that caused her to become such a horrible individual or was she just born that way?

localyocul said...

I know that it the younger generation throws the F bomb around like it was nothing. F to them is what damn or hell was to us. When my daughter was in middle school classmates would post on her wall with the F word flying...I made her delete those posts. Just recently (she is now a junior) I found a note a friend wrote to her for her birthday. Sweet, bright girl...the note was filled with F bombs. I have no doubt that C and M must talk this way given the times and the fact that her dad talks that way.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 I was hoping Mady got U the "new, improved updated edition" of #GrowABoyfriend...just to tide U over 2ur real LitesOutManComes!

Oh. My. Word.
Here we go again. Milo just can't put that Grow Guy to rest. Something is very wrong with this person. She's scary.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

He appear to be using sex as a way to "take back" control he lost. Sort of like I do it because I can, because for so long I settled in an unhappy arrangement with a shrew who ordered me about and emasculated me. I want to pound my chest and be a man now, hear me roar (and have sex).

I wish he would get REAL therapy, not some reality show.

lukebandit said...

JoyinVirginia said... 43
Local yokul, love the Ceeeement Pond reference! Also she has lots of Critters jes' like Elly May Clampett!
and TFMJG cooks like Granny! Possum fricasee!

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Lordy, bee, Lordy bee
Joy your channeling Ann the Auntee! lol

Fuming because Milo mentioned Mady about her getting her mother the new updated Grow a Boyfriend. What in the blazes does that have to with Mady? This is just not right.

Carrin said...

About the Couples Therapy "stars," besides Jon, one of the women was on one of the Real Housewives shows, and her husband committed suicide. I think he was in the Real Houswives show too. And then Farah Abraham, what a walking piece of nothing that little teen mom turned into . They are not healthy, any of them. They have been on Reality TV shows and now they are back just asking for more. Some people just don't know when to quit.

Susie Cincinnati said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 1h
@Kateplusmy8 I was hoping Mady got U the "new, improved updated edition" of #GrowABoyfriend...just to tide U over 2ur real LitesOutManComes!

What is this #GrowABoyfriend of which Gladys speaketh (or tweeteth)? Is it some kind of weird sex toy, like an inflatable doll?

Rainbirdie said...

It's been posted & discussed many times here that no one will begrudge Kate & Jon a job - even a showbiz job - as long as they are not making money off the backs of the kids. We are still discussing Kate, because every interview starts with "I'm a poor, piecing & patching single mom of 8" and ends with "the 8 kids want to be back on tv". We don't discuss Jon much because his jobs & interviews are not based on the kids. I don't recall Jon signing anything as "J8n", he hasn't written a cookbook & named the dishes after the kids & he doesn't tweet their names, photos or share their activities at all. He keeps his time with the kids so under the radar that it makes news here when someone tweets about seeing Jon out in public with the kids. Now Jon's doing a reality show & giving interviews. The show is not about the kids. No kids are being discussed in the interviews. Isn't that what posters said would be "okay"- for either Jon or Kate? Why is everyone getting so wound up about an interview by a guy that's going to do a VH1 reality show? If you don't like how he comes across in an interview, then don't watch the show.

Susie Cincinnati said...

admin said: He appear to be using sex as a way to "take back" control he lost. Sort of like I do it because I can, because for so long I settled in an unhappy arrangement with a shrew who ordered me about and emasculated me.

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I thought you were talking about yourself, admin ("Sort of like I do"), until I read the "be a man now" part!

Susie Cincinnati said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 2h
@ZachPoldoian Kate had legal/scriptural grounds 4divorce..his interview shows it was wisest thing she did2remove that toxic man fr her life!

Are scriptural grounds for divorce admissible in court? :)

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h
@ZachPoldoian Kate had legal/scriptural grounds 4divorce..his interview shows it was wisest thing she did2remove that toxic man fr her life!

Are scriptural grounds for divorce admissible in court? :)

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As has been said by many a family law attorney, "Hey, you picked him." He's such an awful terrible person, yet Kate picked 'im.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Wait, Taylor Armstrong is part of the cast? She has more issues than Kate and Jon combined. Oh dear.

This could be a ratings bonanza. Taylor Armstrong and Farrah have a solid fan base plus a solid "hater" base who I think are going to turn in. Plus the Kate/Jon crowd.

Rainbirdie said...

It seems to me that many posters have had a certain image of Jon in their mind. And the interview shot that image all to hell - Jon drinks, swears & has bad manners. As long as he's not pimping out the kids - who really cares about Jon Gosselin?

Unknown said...

localyocul said... 123
''I know that it the younger generation throws the F bomb around like it was nothing. F to them is what damn or hell was to us.''
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I'm reminded of what my oldest asked her father about why that was a nasty word that you shouldn't say when hate and rape and murder and war weren't. Something to think about.

Starz22 said...

This is really getting out of control. So what if Jon called TFW an asshole...Do you really think it's going to throw the kids for a loop? Like they don't know that? Like it's going to scar them for life, and now some if not all of them are going to grow up to be pissed off bullies...not knowing how to function in the real world, just cause dad called mom a asshole?
PLEASE....get a grip people! If anything...the kids wont know how to function in the real world b/c of TFW. We all know this....why act so shocked because of it?
OMFG!!!! One day...the kids might see this!!!!! Again...not news to them!
I agree with the poster who said...many here seem to be saints. The I would never ever do...or I would never ever say...bla bla bla...
You are clearly on the wrong blog.
The I never say or do anything wrong and I'm a perfect parent blog is NOT this one.
So Jon had a couple of drinks...now he needs AA...REALLY? How has his alcohol abuse affected him taking care of his kids? Does he leave them with sitters so he can work? Does he leave them to tend to themselves, and don't you DARE enter my bedroom or else. Don't ask me for anything unless I take pictures and you bet your sweet ass you better be smiling!
Really? Time to step off you'r high horse.
This is why he wanted off the show. He didn't want to be picked to death by someone who's so much more self-righteous than he could ever be.

Somewhere In Time said...

Luke,126...Fuming because Milo mentioned Mady about her getting her mother the new updated Grow a Boyfriend. What in the blazes does that have to with Mady? This is just not right.

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Wasn't it Mady who initially chose the Grow A Boyfriend for her mother?

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Really? Time to step off you'r high horse.

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To whom are you speaking?

Somewhere In Time said...

OMFG!!!! One day...the kids might see this!!!!! Again...not news to them!
I agree with the poster who said...many here seem to be saints. The I would never ever do...or I would never ever say...bla bla bla...
You are clearly on the wrong blog.

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Where is the right blog? Perhaps you could direct posters there if they are on the wrong blog here to express opinions (and they have every right to do so...exactly as you just did).

Unknown said...

Rainbirdie said... 129
''It's been posted & discussed many times here that no one will begrudge Kate & Jon a job - even a showbiz job - as long as they are not making money off the backs of the kids. We are still discussing Kate, because every interview starts with "I'm a poor, piecing & patching single mom of 8" and ends with "the 8 kids want to be back on tv".
''We don't discuss Jon much because his jobs & interviews are not based on the kids. I don't recall Jon signing anything as "J8n", he hasn't written a cookbook & named the dishes after the kids & he doesn't tweet their names, photos or share their activities at all. He keeps his time with the kids so under the radar that it makes news here when someone tweets about seeing Jon out in public with the kids. Now Jon's doing a reality show & giving interviews. The show is not about the kids. No kids are being discussed in the interviews. Isn't that what posters said would be "okay"- for either Jon or Kate?''
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Thank you very much for the reminder!

Somewhere In Time said...

Jon drinks, swears & has bad manners. As long as he's not pimping out the kids - who really cares about Jon Gosselin?

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Perhaps the person who happens to be on the road at the same time he might be drinking and driving?

url/URL said...

Why is everyone getting so wound up about an interview by a guy that's going to do a VH1 reality show? If you don't like how he comes across in an interview, then don't watch the show.


I suppose we're getting wound up about his gross behaviour the same way we get wound up by Kate's less than stellar behaviour. *shrug*

abby said...

This is why he wanted off the show. He didn't want to be picked to death by someone who's so much more self-righteous than he could ever be.

Yet he goes signs up for ANOTHER show. And gives public interviews. The dude is a hypocrite. That's why I pick on him. If he doesn't like it, stop giving interviews. Especially ones where you whip your penis out and pee. It's not hard.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Starz22 said... 136
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I understand your frustration. I think the terms "over-analyzing" can apply.

snowbird said...

Why is everyone getting so wound up about an interview by a guy that's going to do a VH1 reality show?
... It seems to me that many posters have had a certain image of Jon in their mind. And the interview shot that image all to hell - Jon drinks, swears & has bad manners. As long as he's not pimping out the kids - who really cares about Jon Gosselin?
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Agree with you. The kids weren't witness to this and he's leaving them out of the show, doesn't tweet about them or their activities and doesn't plaster their pics on the internet for everyone to gawk at.

Shocker, he's flawed!. So are we. He drinks. He smokes. He swears. Let's tar and feather him! As long as he's not hurting anyone, why are we do concerned? Except for the drinking and driving which we all think is wrong, what exactly did he do that was so egregious?
BTW, just wondering how many hours lapsed between the 1st and last drink - was the first at noon and the last at 1am? I don't think we know yet we're assuming it took place within just a couple of hours and he was s*!?faced. Oops, there's that word "assuming" that can get us every time.

While we personally might not live the same lifestyle as Jon, there is quite a large population of the country who find nothing wrong with it and in fact do it themselves. So he peed outside. We don't have to approve but we should at least accept the fact there are a heck of a lot of men who do behave this way. And guess what, they're still excellent parents and valuable and contributing members of society.

Some people are acting like he should be on a poster depicting someone passed out drunk in an alley because he had a couple of drinks in an airport bar during a long delay. smdh
I think that we've dissected his behavior and the reasons behind it ad nauseam. You now either think because of this interview he's a despicable person with no redeeming qualities or you find him flawed but still a much better parent than Kate. Either way no one's comment here is going to change your opinion of him yet we keep going around and around picking at the most miniscule things. Other than driving after drinking after an unknown number of hours, what exactly did he do that is so uncommon and unacceptable? I'm going to leave you all to enjoy this exhausting discussion and check out until after the New Year.

Heads up. Watch where you walk on NYE - there will be a lot of men indulging in an alcoholic beverage and relieving themselves outdoors - I guarantee it. And I further guarantee that responsible members of society, maybe even people you know and love, will be among them.

Gail said...

http://www.puredwts.com/2013/06/25/jon-gosselin-interested-in-dancing-on-dancing-with-the-stars-vote-in-new-poll/

"Though things get really interesting at the 4:09 mark when they ask him if he’d ever do a reality series again like Dancing With The Stars. He said he would definitely do Dancing With The Stars and that what’s more, he get further then his former wife, Kate, on the show. Hmmm?"

Oh, Jon. Just tell the truth. It's hard to keep up with the lies.

Also, Shawn Tuma tweeted that his previous tweet was about HIMSELF. NOT Jon.

Anonymous said...

Nominating Susan for new TFW word of the day...

tweeteth (sp?)

I can hear Shakespeare turning in his grave.

" oh, me lady, from whence does thou tweeteth?"

ROFLMAO, you guys are brilliant!
franky

handinhand said...

She fabricated out of her butt text messages that apparently formed the basis of a very stressful and time consuming and expensive law suit for him. And she got away with it. Sober or not anyone would speak despicably about her. Not sure what that proves.
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It's the language he chose to use with a reporter who intended to take his words to print. Would he like to see those words written about one of his girls?

handinhand said...

That's taking it too far. I don't drink much, but I'll stop by the airport bar if I have time and get a drink. I hate flying, and one or two drinks helps with the nerves
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It's not that he's not within his rights to do so, it's just part of a larger pattern I notice with him.

handinhand said...

Here's something for the sheeple to ponder. They insist that reality T.V. did not damage the children.

Well, let's say it didn't. But what if it damages their PARENTS? The people charged with raising them. What if it so destroyed the parents that they had difficulty being the best parents they could be? Doesn't that in turn harm the children?
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This is an excellent point.

handinhand said...

I agree with the poster who said...many here seem to be saints. The I would never ever do...or I would never ever say...bla bla bla...
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I don't find sanctimony to be the tone here much at all.
I was one who was not surprised that Jon was capable of what was written. Dissapointed, yes. Surprised, not so much.
I wish he'd comport himself better when giving an interview.
He should know better.
And P.S.- I've very little respect for the author of this hit piece as well. Malicious content notwithstanding, his writing ain't all that.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

I reread the article about Jon. It takes place over a 10 day period...

“It’s called: going into the woods,” he tells me 10 days later, as we’re cruising around Berks County."

It's fascinating to watch how, after 3 days of over-analyzing everything said (and not said) in the article, Jon morphed into a raging alcoholic putting the citizens' of PA in grave danger and needs intensive therapy and attendance at AA meetings.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 2h
@ZachPoldoian Kate had legal/scriptural grounds 4divorce..his interview shows it was wisest thing she did2remove that toxic man fr her life!
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How does he or she know this hmm? Did Kate tell this person this or is he/she making it up?

localyocul said...

I'm certainly no saint. Back in my younger years I'm sure I drove when I shouldn't have after partying; I say the F bomb, I say things to my kid I shouldn't. I get disappointed in myself just like I am disappointed in Jon.

localyocul said...

handinhand said... 149
That's taking it too far. I don't drink much, but I'll stop by the airport bar if I have time and get a drink. I hate flying, and one or two drinks helps with the nerves
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It's not that he's not within his rights to do so, it's just part of a larger pattern I notice with him.

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I agree; it's not having a drink in a bar, it's the whole picture that he seems to drink a lot.

JMO said...

snowbird said... 145
Why is everyone getting so wound up about an interview by a guy that's going to do a VH1 reality show?
... It seems to me that many posters have had a certain image of Jon in their mind. And the interview shot that image all to hell - Jon drinks, swears & has bad manners. As long as he's not pimping out the kids - who really cares about Jon Gosselin?
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I agree, he is not pimping out the kids. But he knowingly presented himself the way he wanted to be presented over time. Most of the things he said in his interview were incongruent. He was all over the place, and in a lot of his interview made absolutely no sense. Unlike interviews with Oprah, and other recent interviews, in which he stated his disgust with doing reality tv.

I think the thing that most of us (speaking for myself) are offended by is his inability to stick with what he says. Doesn't want reality TV for him or the kids, and then does a Reality TV show. He is all over the place, can not seem to make up his mind, and his kids will be exposed to yet another parent probably behaving badly on TV for all of the world to see. Like they need this after Kate's craziness.

Some posters are disgusted after Jon said one thing, and did another. No kid deserves 2 crazy unstable parents, who can not be truthful, and stop embarrassing their kids, with their chosen public exploits.

I am starting to think that the 8 kids (ages 9 and 13) have far more sense than their parents. They are growing up with 2 angry, self absorbed parents. It's a shame that through no fault of their own, they have to deal with the backlash of their ongoing bad choices.

Really, what kid could survive their parents' constant bad behavior and have to deal with this in their day to day lives? Maybe they just want to be kids and be spared of their parents' constant selfishness and bad behavior. They deserve so much better. IMO Honestly, if I was one of these kids, I would probably have run away by now with all of the embarrassment these 2 have visited on their kids. It's just not right.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I agree Jon you should not be D&D that's a no-no.

localyocul said...

Shocker, he's flawed!. So are we. He drinks. He smokes. He swears. Let's tar and feather him! As long as he's not hurting anyone, why are we do concerned? Except for the drinking and driving which we all think is wrong, what exactly did he do that was so egregious?

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I think the problem is that he was touting himself as a private citizen just doing the best he could for his kids. If that is the image he wanted to portray, why do all this in front of a reporter? If you want to be the bad boy then be him but don't try to promote yourself as one way then another. He's just like HER. They have no authentic self. They are just trying on roles to get on TV, it seems to me. I remember when the twins left Bald Head early to finish school. They got picked up in a limo. When they say Jon, he had his ears pierce. Mady shrieked (of course). This persona was obviously new to her. Who are these two?

JMO said...

And BTW- No one cares if Jon drinks, smokes, curses like a drunken sailor, pees in front of a reporter with a bathroom feet away, but acting like an ass when you agree to an interview and know your kids will have access to it eventually, does not make you a shining star.

Both parents made a lot of money off these kids, and they have no respect for them when all of this crap hits the fan. They both do and say what they want with no respect for how this will impact the kids who have to go to school, and actually face the public 5 days a week.

Again the kids drew the short straw and both parents need an intervention of sorts in order to put these kids first. They are both selfish and disgusting in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

tweetle...152

THANK YOU

franky

chefsummer #Leh said...

@msgoody2shoes21 6h
@Kateplusmy8 Word to the wise. Don't be like Jon. Don't publicly bash him. He's a pitiful man that can't let go of the past. Take high road.
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Wow Goody you bash Jon so much it's sad and Kate bashed him so much it's sad as well.

You & Kate never evea took the high road when it came to Jon so why now?

lukebandit said...

Susan, that was good. Funny!

Tweeteth.

Carole said...

Here's some good news -- Downton Abbey's new season starts on 1/5 at 9pm with a 2 hour episode. yayyy

chefsummer #Leh said...

And he slept with a few MORE women when he and Liz separated? Good lord. The guy acts like he's 18 years old. Grow the 'f' up, dude! You have 8 children watching.
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They separated when?

And I'm sure Jon bringing he so called bang buddies around the kids or I hope not.

Also hoe will mom explain having married uncle Steve around all the time to the kids that's not normal either.

The kids didn't win the parent lottery when that got J&K.

Anonymous said...

hand in hand?

please stop.

yes, jon is an idiot,TFW even more so, we get ..and let it go....


as much as we would like, it's not up to us....
let it go


in the words of the great Lennon,



franky
let it be

JMO said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 2h
@ZachPoldoian Kate had legal/scriptural grounds 4divorce..his interview shows it was wisest thing she did2remove that toxic man fr her life!
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Okay Milo... Let's review the 7 deadly sins of Kate, yes St. Kate while we are at it....

Wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, gluttony. She fits several of these so please stop presenting her as a saint, which is ludicrous.

Jon has made mistakes, but I think "your girl" has far exceeded many of these over and over and over and over and over again. Bad choice for a tweet : )

I don't hate either Jon or Kate, but am sick of what BOTH these 2 have put the kids through over the last 13 years. This should have ended YEARS ago, which is why some of us (me) are disgusted with both of them.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Again the kids drew the short straw and both parents need an intervention of sorts in order to put these kids first. They are both selfish and disgusting in my opinion.

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It says a lot that the non-fans are able to admit this, but the sheeple still won't and STILL act like Kate is some shining beacon of light. At the end of the day, shouldn't we all be on the kids' side? Yet, they're not.

PatK said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 152
I reread the article about Jon. It takes place over a 10 day period...

“It’s called: going into the woods,” he tells me 10 days later, as we’re cruising around Berks County."

It's fascinating to watch how, after 3 days of over-analyzing everything said (and not said) in the article, Jon morphed into a raging alcoholic putting the citizens' of PA in grave danger and needs intensive therapy and attendance at AA meetings.

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Amazing, isn't it?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I agree; it's not having a drink in a bar, it's the whole picture that he seems to drink a lot.

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I'm not sure that's really accurate, in fairness. There aren't many sightings of him to begin with, and when there are, more often than not it's some sighting with him with the kids, sober, going bowling or out shopping or eating or getting icecream or at a lacrosse game. I think I can count on one hand the "bar" sightings. For all we know he stays home and plays board games and drinks hot cocoa 6 days a week. Actually, I think that's what he and Liz said once in an interview.

Still, if he doesn't want to give people the impression that he has a problem with alcohol, he shouldn't be drinking during an interview. That's on him.

JMO said...

I am not looking forward to Jon's escapades on CT but I hold both parents responsible for what these kids have had to go through for years and years.

I find them both self-absorbed and exhausting, so I can only imagine how the kids feel. The kids simply don't deserve the constant bad behavior by both parents. Old, tired, and they both need to move on.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


BTW, just wondering how many hours lapsed between the 1st and last drink - was the first at noon and the last at 1am

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The writer deliberately leaves this very important information out. There have been times I had a drink and got behind the wheel on the same day, but I don't consider myself EVER driving drunk because I waited several hours after the drink and knew I was completely sober before doing it. And like I said the other day, if he were driving drunk, why didn't the writer take his keys? I'm going to assume that despite his young age, he's still responsible enough not to let someone drunk get behind the wheel. Without knowing all the info you need to know to know whether it's safe to drive, I am just not willing to get worked up about "drunk driving." And I've lost someone to a DD too.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

It's fascinating to watch how, after 3 days of over-analyzing everything said (and not said) in the article, Jon morphed into a raging alcoholic putting the citizens' of PA in grave danger and needs intensive therapy and attendance at AA meetings.

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Oh, well said. At the end of the day, while I don't care for the image he presents, I really don't care either.
Tho I would like Milo to explain Kate's scriptural reasons for divorce. What a odd duck. Oh wait, was it the adultery that may or may not have happened AFTER she tossed him out? Maybe Milo can explain Steve as well. So amusing.

Anonymous said...

Hand in hand, I owe you an apology :)

so, sorry..think I should read all before reacting.

again, so sorry!

ps. hand rules!!!

franky

JMO said...

@msgoody2shoes21 6h
@Kateplusmy8 Word to the wise. Don't be like Jon. Don't publicly bash him. He's a pitiful man that can't let go of the past. Take high road.
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Okay... and now for Ms.Goody. Kate has bashed/undermined Jon constantly, and her behavior has been "pitiful" as your describe, and "disgusting" to others. Obviously Kate has not let go of the past either after 13 years, and often chooses to be mean, condescending, and alienating the kids from Jon. This is wrong - not up to me or you, but Kate needs to put the kids first and stop her parental alienation, which has created a lot of disharmony between J & K.
She is doing no favors "allowing" Jon to see the kids, so please stop acting like she is doing some kind of favor for him.

We all have opinions, but your opinions often seem to be based on your own personal experiences. Take a step back please.

I don't have time or desire for twitter so I hope you read here. Sincere Happy New Year to you and your family !

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

It's the language he chose to use with a reporter who intended to take his words to print. Would he like to see those words written about one of his girls?

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If his girls ever behave the way Hailey did, I would hope someone would call them out on it and quick.

Hailey caused a lot of major problems here. Hailey should really be ashamed of herself. Jon aside, surely this lawsuit was incredibly stressful for the kids. While Kate is ultimately responsible for choosing to sue her children's father, it is very clear to me that Hailey was the catalyst for Kate to go forward with it. It's clear from Kate's emails to her that Kate was hanging her hat on the text messages being the "smoking gun" she needed to go forward. Had Hailey been honest and said look I made the texts up I'm sorry, this entire thing might never have happened. Instead, she lighted a fire and ran away. The result was a 5-month shitstorm of a lawsuit that created absolute turmoil for Jon and his children. The sick feeling you get when someone sues you over flat out lies is indescribable. She deserves as good as she gets.

Anonymous said...

Admin..172....

AHMEN
franky

Jumping In said...

I agree with handinhand, Jon has every right to express how he feels about TFW, especially regarding the exploitation of their children, it's his language that was offensive. Instead of calling the mother of his children an a**hole, he could have said " she eluded herself to being a demanding diva in that People article, and I lived with that, then rebelled against it, and ultimately had to escape from it". Something like that would have made better sense to me. A comment more pointedly about Kate's own bad behaviour would have gone a lot further than using a common expletives. It is simple a matter of maturity. He finally gets to use his voice regarding his marriage, and that voice needs to be more refined for the sake of his kids. Perhaps his mother will sit him down and tell him this type of language lends nothing to his credibility over expressing all he has had to deal with over the years. Be upset, but be smart about how you share it. He was excellent on The View, so he has the ability to give his side of things in a measured, thoughtful way.

As for drinking and driving, that is totally wrong. He knew it, and thought by driving the back roads he would (and did) get away with it. I would (reluctantly) accept him swearing up a storm when describing TFW over him drinking and driving again.


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The other thing too is isn't that sort of reverse sexism that Jon shouldn't say how he feels about someone who screwed him over just because she's a woman? Just because Hailey's a woman doesn't mean she gets away with her crap.

What Hailey did is absolutely despicable, and I don't care if she's a woman, if someone wants to tell her F you you lying piece of S, have at it.

Blowing In The Wind said...

"Though things get really interesting at the 4:09 mark when they ask him if he’d ever do a reality series again like Dancing With The Stars. He said he would definitely do Dancing With The Stars and that what’s more, he get further then his former wife, Kate, on the show. Hmmm?"

Oh, Jon. Just tell the truth. It's hard to keep up with the lies.

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There is a time frame involved here. Nobody knows what happened. When he said he would do DWTS, perhaps at that time he really would have liked to do it. Maybe after that he was asked, but thought twice about it...how much time it would take away from his job, his kids, how much work would be involved, and after considering it, turned it down. It doesn't mean he lied. People do, after all, change their minds.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Agree with you. The kids weren't witness to this and he's leaving them out of the show, doesn't tweet about them or their activities and doesn't plaster their pics on the internet for everyone to gawk at.

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He's not putting them on the show, not exploiting them, but they will find out about it, their peers will know about it, their classmates' parents will watch, and these kids will more than likely be told the details about what happens during shows like this. You better believe there will be talk at school, the kids will be teased, but hopefully it will blow over in a flash. Kids have short attention spans, they'll move on to planning their next field trip and this whole fiasco will be over. Bottom line, though, the Gosselin children will be aware that their dad did this show. How they will handle it is anyone's guess.

"Heads up. Watch where you walk on NYE - there will be a lot of men indulging in an alcoholic beverage and relieving themselves outdoors - I guarantee it. And I further guarantee that responsible members of society, maybe even people you know and love, will be among them."

Heads up. Watch where you walk on NYE - there will be a lot of men indulging in an alcoholic beverage and relieving themselves outdoors - I guarantee it. And I further guarantee that responsible members of society, maybe even people you know and love, will be among them.

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And I can guarantee that nobody that I know and love will be among them! lol!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The video with the actual quote is no longer available, but I thought they asked him if he was interested in DWTS, to which he replied he is definitely interested. At that point I thought he was joking because then he quipped he could get further than Kate. In any case, I assume he was interested because he fielded an offer for it. This was of course when his new job was gearing up. Hardly signing his name in blood.

Tamra Barney is another one who confuses the difference between a lie and just changing your mind.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Remember the rumor that also came out at the same time, that Kate heard he was getting DWTS and made phone calls trying to stop it?

Maybe he wanted to do it but it wasn't worth upsetting and angering Kate. After all his children have to live with her and if she's on a rampage every Monday night because he's on DWTS that's not good for them.

All possibilities.

JMO said...

Admin- (re: Hailey) Jon's choice in women, starting with TFW, hasn't always been the best but we live and learn. : )

JoyinVirginia said...

I'm bored by TFMJG and Mr Gosselin as well.
I will probably check out Couples Therapy, but only because of interest in Wu-Tang Clan. Ghostface Killah has been a member of that group for over twenty years, also has numerous solo projects, and I would speculate that he is probably the wealthiest member of this group of contestants, I mean characters, I mean authentic person who is certainly not participating in a scripted reality show for publicity and increased sales of his music.

NJGal51 said...

Tweet @152 - Agree with you completely.

Retired Techie said...

Please be sure to read Tweetle's post at 152! It changes the entire discussion and seems to be getting lost in the shuffle. Thank you.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Tiffany Morgan ‏@Tiff86_Morgan 18m
@Kateplusmy8 you should join Instagram and do daily pics and videos of everyday life at your house! Miss your show! :(

Who ARE these people who are so nosy that they want daily pics and videos of Kate's life? Why would anyone (other than Milo) want to peer in windows and nose around? Would this be more exciting than their own lives...being entertained by watching how others live?

I guess you just have to shake your head, knowing that you'll never understand it!

Marie said...

As long as he's not hurting anyone, why are we do concerned? Except for the drinking and driving which we all think is wrong, what exactly did he do that was so egregious?
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If he did drink and drive, he could have seriously hurt or killed someone. It wasn't just wrong, it was criminal. If he wants to drink, he needs to stay home or get a designated driver like all responsible adults do.

Marie

Carole said...

Re CT:
It's my eternal optimistic side coming out again, but maybe, maybe, CT might expose some of the BS that TFW has put Jon through and will end up showing him in a sympathetic, albeit, good light. Or is that too much to hope for? lol One thing for sure, for all involved, especially the children, I hope it doesn't end up being as disastrous as we fear.

AuntieAnn said...

Starz22 said... 136

I agree with the poster who said...many here seem to be saints. The I would never ever do...or I would never ever say...bla bla bla...


So Jon had a couple of drinks...now he needs AA...REALLY? How has his alcohol abuse affected him taking care of his kids? Does he leave them with sitters so he can work? Does he leave them to tend to themselves, and don't you DARE enter my bedroom or else. Don't ask me for anything unless I take pictures and you bet your sweet ass you better be smiling!
Really? Time to step off you'r high horse.

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Back in 2009 on GMA Jon himself said that his dad and grandfather were alcoholics and that he didn't want to inherit the disease. He also said at the time that he had been drinking a lot.

IF he's abusing alcohol, it WILL affect the kids.

If saying that here makes me a saint sitting on a high horse, then call me Saint Auntie and meet my horse Trigger.

I think those kids have been through enough bs to last eight lifetimes thanks to their parents unwise decisions. They don't need the added pain of living with a parent(s) who might be abusing alcohol.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Marie, the legal limit in PA is .08. At his weight at only one hour of drinking it would probably take 4 or 5 drinks to get there. We may not like it, we may think the only safe way to drive is to not drink at all, but it's not "criminal."

Rhymes with Witch said...

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 152

I reread the article about Jon. It takes place over a 10 day period...

“It’s called: going into the woods,” he tells me 10 days later, as we're cruising around Berks County."

It's fascinating to watch how, after 3 days of over-analyzing everything said (and not said) in the article, Jon morphed into a raging alcoholic putting the citizens' of PA in grave danger and needs
intensive therapy and attendance at AA meetings.

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Additionally, the article was so poorly written it is difficult to discern any "facts" from it.

PatK said...

Fired Up 4 Kate‏@MiloandJack6m
@Spar_kle_Girl @MY_2BCOLLIES @Kateplusmy8 Iguess the $10,0000 Lafair therapy sessions didn't work either....

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Milo, you mean the $10,000 LaFair sessions Kate weaseled out of paying for?

PatK said...

Fired Up 4 Kate‏@MiloandJack3m
@Spar_kle_Girl @MY_2BCOLLIES @Kateplusmy8 Thank God the Gs gave Kate as the stable , example setting, morally upright parent 2guide them!

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This is even funnier! She's guiding them alright....into a life of self-entitlement...AND depression when the $$ runs out.

stop the insanity said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 182
Remember the rumor that also came out at the same time, that Kate heard he was getting DWTS and made phone calls trying to stop it?

Maybe he wanted to do it but it wasn't worth upsetting and angering Kate. After all his children have to live with her and if she's on a rampage every Monday night because he's on DWTS that's not good for them.

All possibilities.
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I believe the Blind Gossip piece. They are extremely accurate. What remains in question is how much influence Kate had on DWTS dumping Jon. I think her filing the lawsuit right before the new cast was announced was enough for DWTS to take a pass.

Sigh. I feel sorry for the kids. At 13 and almost 10, they are all at an age where they are painfully self-aware. My parents used to embarrass me by simply exisiting....lol. I can't imagine my dad going on tv and smashing things under the guise of therapy, or being put on tv myself to be cared for by a stranger. No kid should have to endure this, nothing is worth being put through this humiliation. Bless those children, I pray their parents find their way and put an end to the 3 ring circus they've seen fit to raise these kids in.

JR said...

The only hope for those kids... is to stay out of the way, keep they're mouths shut, and when they're 18.....GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!!!!!

JR said...

BTW...If I to deal with that mental case on a daily basis I would drink too!!

Tucker's Mom said...

I think those kids have been through enough bs to last eight lifetimes thanks to their parents unwise decisions. They don't need the added pain of living with a parent(s) who might be abusing alcohol
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Dad has alcoholic tendencies and is at high risk for abusing, oh, and he smokes.
Mom exposes herself to tanning beds for YEARS now, and puts herself at high risk for developing skin cancer and melanoma, oh, and she has anorexic tendencies and has show her kids that you have to alter your body to be comfortable with yourself.
She's got a daughter who wants to eat salad all day, just like her.
The examples they are setting are not good.
And, I'm no prude, but I don't think shacking up is a great example either. Mom's no better, getting all cozy and inappropriate with a married man.
Can you believe these two people were branded and sold as Christians? They read more Howard Stern than Billy Graham.

NJGal51 said...

@MiloandJack: @Fly_On_TheWall @MY_2BCOLLIES @Spar_kle_Girl @Kateplusmy8 Guns, alcohol, promiscuous sex...dangerous combo/horrible example 4his kids! :(

This is the tone the fans are all taking. Sigh. I don't agree with all Jon's choices, but seriously?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Oh yeah sheeple cause Kate is such a great example with the greed, ego and not even having a real job but expecting others to pay her way. Why can't we just agree that neither one has not exactly set the greatest examples for these kids all the time? Is it pride?

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