"I will not sign the consent form for my eight-year-old daughter or my other children, to participate on the Shows, because I know the negative impact and consequences it will have on their health and well being."
Simon Barney has responded to his ex-wife's Tamra's bid to ask a judge to allow her to put their three children back on The Real Housewives of Orange County.
Portions of the response filed in Orange County family law court last Friday include the following:
“They have been targeted and are the subject of consistent embarrassment due to the content of the show and their mother’s involvement…The show (has) started to become increasingly more about the alcohol, intoxication, sex and bad behavior …. The truth is consistently manipulated in the show in order to make the story line more dramatic and to boost ratings. The manipulation and falsification of original statements and actions results in a negative perception from the public and it destroys one’s reputation….
"All major decisions pertaining to health, education and day care shall be made jointly by the parents. She is seeking to take away my right to parent and make decisions regarding the lasting effects and impacts the show may have on my children. This is not a unilateral ‘routine’ decision, it is a ‘major decision’ that must be made jointly….[Sophia is] too young [and] unable to make a decision on her own regarding her participation in the show as she does not understand the consequences it may have. Respondent states that Sophia has expressed her desire to be on the show, but that is only because Respondent has told Sophia that she has to sit out on all ‘fun’ activities because I won’t let her be filmed. An eight year old child us going to want to be a part of the activities is she is told they are ‘fun’ and she is being forced to sit out...
"…Our children appeared on the show from time to time, as one of the focuses on the show was out family and encouraged our familial relationship. The show first aired in 2005 and I appeared briefly on the show from 2007 to 2009. My children made appearances in those years, but with strict supervision and approval from me. If my children were to be on my show, I had stated to the production company… that I was to approve all footage and the children were only to be filmed with my supervision and presence. At that time, (the production company) agreed. It was a good thing that I was on the show and supervising my children. One time while the show was being filmed, one of the cast members stated something about “T-Bagging” which is an inappropriate sexual comments, while Sidney, age 10 at the time, was present. I immediately took my daughter away and stated to the cast member that such comments were inappropriate while children were around. Later, he agreed that I was correct in needing to be present. It was around this time that the show deviated sharply from the family oriented dynamic it had while I was on the show [and was] the major reason I refused to allow the children to continue on the show....
"(The production company) will only air the footage of my minor children if I give my consent, or if the Court orders that only Respondent’s consent is required for the children to be filmed. I will not sign the consent form for my eight year old daughter or my other children, to participate on the Shows, because I know the negative impact and consequences it will have on their health and well being.”
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@Kateplusmy8 oh forgot to say In my last tweet please send a few photos of all your snow ...we have none in BC Canada.. Snow for Xmas please
lol! Better do it fast, Kate, before the little bit we have is gone. I just checked the weather report, and they're saying 67 degrees this weekend. No snow left for Christmas. One minute we're in an arctic freeze with single digit windchills, and the next day we're pulling out the sandals. It's crazy.
@EmCr68 yes yes I know.
Wonder why TFW was a bit snippy to Em about the Newtown tragedy?
Did anyone read the latest gosselinbook post? He links to the page of a local child who is very ill.
Heartbreaking.
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Thanks for that info.
The mom once admitted ON TV, FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO KNOW, that they had him in the hope he would be a little person like Zach.
And a mother of homs would never publicly say that finding out she had 7 fertilized eggs in her womb was "the was the worst day of my life " either, right?
I have no respect for any of them.
I know that there are couples in the deaf culture/community who worry about having a.hearing child for a variety of reasons, but they don't announce it to the world.
Mel said... 3
Did anyone read the latest gosselinbook post? He links to the page of a local child who is very ill.
Heartbreaking.
December 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM
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I saw that this morning and just could not bring myself to put it here- but glad you did.
This is a tragic story. The young girl knows she's dying and has little time. The thoughts of the mother- gathering every sensory input that she can- while her daughter is alive- there are no words.
I'm grateful for Robert bringing attention to this.
Hug all of your loved ones, and know that there really are Angels everywhere.
Anita @sunnydays200 7m
@Kateplusmy8 oh forgot to say In my last tweet please send a few photos of all your snow ...we have none in BC Canada.. Snow for Xmas please
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BC covers 365,000 square miles of area and stretches from the 49th parallel all the way up to the 60th parallel. The Rocky Mountains run the entire length of the province.
There is most definitely snow somewhere in BC. Geez.
There is most definitely snow somewhere in BC. Geez. 6
Oh you Canadians are so persnickety.
Just kidding. :)
I'm in Alberta and we are digging out yet again and it's still coming down enough already!!!!! There are lots of places in BC that get snow and this year places that don't normally get it!!
Rhymes with Witch said... 7
There is most definitely snow somewhere in BC. Geez. 6
Oh you Canadians are so persnickety.
Just kidding. :)
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We are not persnickety we are fed up lol
She has "so much to wrap" and yet she claims to be piecing and patching. SURE. Who wants to bet she takes the best gifts grifted from real middle/lower class "fans" and gives them as her own? There is a reason she talks about Legos, American Girl and Calico kids and Ipads and other stuff.
She can kiss my ass!
Pam
Anita @sunnydays200 7m
@Kateplusmy8 oh forgot to say In my last tweet please send a few photos of all your snow ...we have none in BC Canada.. Snow for Xmas please
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How embarrassing that a fellow B.C.er even gives a feck about seeing TFW's snow!
And yes...there is plenty of snow somewhere in B.C. !
In four years living but a few hours from Kate in PA I never saw anything even remotely close to the harsh and brutal winters I grew up with. It felt positively mild. Our worst storm was actually from a hurricane, I can't remember which one now, but that was worse than anything we got in the winter. And hurricanes could happen to anyone on the Northeastern seaboard and bad ones are once or twice in a lifetime anyway.
The odd serious snowstorm is rare, she should be grateful. If she hates their mild weather so much, why doesn't she just move? They don't appear to have very many family or friends tied there, her friends are in NY, LA and Michigan. What happened, Jon won't let her? Poor thing.
Sounds like she could use a wrapping station. Oh right, she rolled her eyes at the nice lady who tried to give her one for feee
I forgot who explained the genetics but thanks for that. I thought the normal kids still had a 25% chance of having a child with dwarfism and remember this being discussed on the show, but apparently not? I thought like many issues dwarfism was recessive, but apparently it is dominant, which is a game changer. It's possible even the Roloffs themselves might not be accurately describing the genetics, since it is rather complicated.
Stretching deep into the bowels of high school biology!
We are not persnickety we are fed up lol 8
I hear you. It's way too early for this much snow.
I really was kidding, too.
http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/12/18/duck-dynasty-robertson-phil/?hpt=hp_t2
Phil Robertson was suspended from Duck Dynasty for making some homophobic comments.
I don't know exactly what he said, but let's assume his comments did deserve him getting kicked off the show. Even so, what I love is that these reality shows are free to terminate these contracts at any time without any kind of due process or appeal, but heaven forbid if the talent themselves tries to get out of a contract, then they sue them to high heaven, take away their salaries, and drag their name through the mud. The hypocrisy sure is glaring.
Who gets on twitter and brag/whines about all the wrapping they have to do because there is SOOOO MUCH??
It's totally unnecessary to do that. She's a real idiot.
Rhymes with Witch said... 14
We are not persnickety we are fed up lol 8
I hear you. It's way too early for this much snow.
I really was kidding, too.
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No worries I know you were kidding the only way we are going to get through this winter is with a STRONG sense of humour... just came in from shovelling for the 3rd time today :(
just came in from shovelling for the 3rd time today :( 17
I hear you. Shovel out in the morning and shovel back in in the evening. It gets old very fast. Especially with more to come .
My first year here the only time I saw my neighbor was shoveling. I told him we had to stop meeting like this.
It's totally unnecessary to do that. She's a real idiot.
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And she tweets this not long after she does an interview where she claims to be piecing and patching. Her problem is that she just doesn't THINK before she opens her mouth. She's a walking contradiction.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 54m
@LEIGHSHAHAN1 @Kateplusmy8 Leigh, MsBarbara needs 2do a #StillMostFascinatingPeople episode& KATE needs 2b on it! Kate continues 2fascinate!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 49m
@EmCr68 @Kateplusmy8 I was worried Kate taped herself into a box & couldn't get out! #LetsKeepThisIdeaUnderWraps though! :)
Who in the bleep is this? She's nuts! Seriously, she's not only missing the fries in a Happy Meal, she's not even in line at the drive-through.
I just hope that when this whole saga wraps up, we find out if this really is a catfisher.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 49m
@EmCr68 @Kateplusmy8 I was worried Kate taped herself into a box & couldn't get out! #LetsKeepThisIdeaUnderWraps though! :)
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I don't understand this. Is she trying to be funny? Some days Kate and Milo are made for each other. I can't remember the last time Kate ever said anything I found remotely funny. They are quite similar.
The reason why TFW won't take all the gifts to the mall and have them wrapped and give to a charity is because they will use nice and festive Christmas WRAP! She uses the flat white-grey blank newspaper paper every year to save money. She goes or makes not a nanny do it all go and buy the ends of the rolls.
3 compartment plastic white-grey prison trays, white-grey Christmas wrap, dictator controlling who sits the children where to open gifts and pits children who she chooses against each other. There was no Santa and now there is one, does she even mention Baby Jesus on Christmas Eve?
Maybe her back is hurting, lifting the heavy roll of newspaper paper for a couple of hours. Or, her not a nanny do it all's back is really hurting lifting the roll herself and kate is claiming that.
Also, I read the post from Robert. Hopefully, the young girl will get to meet TS. God bless her heart and the girls family.
I thought of the several times, TFW, M and C, (the G girls are innocent). TFW is all over TS like stink on you know what, hoping to meet a man who has it all.
Fleecing said...
She's a walking contradiction.
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Partly truth and partly fiction...no wait this is Kate we're talking about. Partly truth but mostly fiction.
And she is taking every wrong direction on her lonely way back home.
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Rhymes with Witch said... 7
There is most definitely snow somewhere in BC. Geez. 6
Oh you Canadians are so persnickety.
Just kidding. :)
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Ha. I'm still thawing out from our arctic temps from a couple of weeks ago. I'm not a winter person anymore. When we were kids we couldn't wait for four feet of snow so we could go toboganning in the coulees or skating on the outdoor rinks. These days I shudder at the thought of going outside.
What's worse is that now I'm at the point where I walk like a penguin so I don't fall on the ice and fracture a bone or snap off a limb in this deep freeze. What the hell happened? I was never going to be "like those old farts". lol!
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@Mydmaxx seriously. It's amazing... There is SO much to wrap! And I just started!
She's not going to shut up about this, is she? Such bragging! She's milking it for all it's worth. If she wants to buy truckloads of toys, fine, that's her business. But you don't throw it out there for the internet world to read. What a dork.
Seriously, though, I really wonder how the sheeple feel about this. I imagine that some of them aren't really well-healed financially (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way). I remember reading the tweets of one fan who wanted to buy the cookbook but it wasn't in her budget. To read Kate's tweets about how many gifts these kids will be getting when there are so many families out there who aren't able to give their kids volumes and volumes of presents just boggles the mind. Why would someone do this? What's her motive? To show that she still has the financial means to lavish gifts on the kids, or to play the part of the single mom who does everything, while the ex has no responsibility, either in buying gifts or contributing in any way to the holiday preparations? Is this one of her underhanded slams at Jon?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@Mydmaxx seriously. It's amazing... There is SO much to wrap! And I just started!
She's not going to shut up about this, is she? Such bragging!
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This is awful. Forget that it contradicts what she just said about piecing and patching. It's rude and insensitive to others. I feel bad if she hurt anyone's feelings with this bragging, which she may very well have. She's insufferable.
I understand free speech and all but this Robertson dude is representing a company whether he likes it or not. Comparing gay men to the act of bestiality? Is a little much.
I find it incredibly sad that the millions who watch this show (admittedly, I'm not included) include young people. They 'idolize' reality stars. This is pure garbage filth coming out of his mouth.
What happened to love one another? Some Christian.
Gail I agree, I think they have every right to let him go because he is a representative. I do think though that it should go both ways. He should also be free to leave if he feels what they are doing to him is inappropriate. Without forfeiting his salary or being sued or having them drag his name through the mud. It should be a two way street. If there are legitimate reasons a reality T.V. project needs to be terminated by either party, either party should be able to walk away without fear.
That piecing and patching lying, miserable sloth!!! How dare her go on twitter and brag how many, many presents she has to wrap. She is a bragger and she will never stop being one. Underhanded jab at Jon? How about a slap in the face to Jon, then throw him under the oncoming bus to nowhere's ville.
How a mother could manipulate her children's Christmas so bad. The presents, the controlling of everything.
There is no way Jon does this. 99.999 percent sure he uses NORMAL CHRISTMAS WRAP for presents. Hopefully, on Jon's time, the kids will see as many relatives and friends as possible.
While TWF plays with her "birdie". I feel so bad for that bird, Shoka, the kids and Jon.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 25
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@Mydmaxx seriously. It's amazing... There is SO much to wrap! And I just started!
She's not going to shut up about this, is she? Such bragging!
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This is awful. Forget that it contradicts what she just said about piecing and patching. It's rude and insensitive to others. I feel bad if she hurt anyone's feelings with this bragging, which she may very well have. She's insufferable.
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TFW is in true form. Always about her Look at me and what I am doing.
Poor me. Piecing and patching.
She really needs to pick a story/personality and try to stick with it. Getting really old. Haven't read her Twitter lately, but she would have to be insane to keep it alive based on what I have read in the past.
Is there any common sense or sense of decency EVER? She just doesn't get it and never will. .
Sad for the kids in that she just won't go away and "deal" with her life quietly. The kids have earned their privacy. Never mind the embarrassment she has/continues to expose these kids to by choice . Wish she would let the kids have a normal life and move on.
It's over Kate. Get over yourself...Please.
"Why can't you just get it though your head, it's over, it's over now." ' This Boz Scaggs song comes to mind often with TFW.
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 2h
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 hahahah oh dear! That is quite an image! Keep us posted mamaG! Let us know if Milo and I need to come unwrap ya!;)
Uh. Emily. I wouldn't put that thought into Milo's head. She'd probably like nothing better than to make the trip to PA and unwrap Kate!
“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”
Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2ntmh4hu4
What a disgusting human being. *shudder* If that's Christianity, I don't want ANY part of it.
Too strong of a reaction? I don't care. What this 'man' said is on par with Paula Deen's reprehensible statements. In fact, this guy may be worse.
I hope they lose everything. He needs a REAL come-to-Jesus moment.
The Christmas bragging is a bunch of bull. She did the same thing last year and it looked like each kid got one or two presents from Santa.. The depressing half-lit Christmas tree did not have SOOOO much under it, as she had gone on and on about for weeks. She's crazy, guys. Literally. In fantasyland and not even trying to sound believable.
She is going overboard with the Xmas gifts to prove she is the best mom ever (material things are the only things she gives those kids) and to outdo Jon's Xmas. And yes, I think a few fans are still sending gifts, she saves them, and then wraps them for Xmas.
No wonder those kids feel entitled.
Phil Robertson was suspended from Duck Dynasty for making some homophobic comments.
I don't know exactly what he said, but let's assume his comments did deserve him getting kicked off the show.
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You sign your life away when you sign up for a RTV show. They PWN your ass! You are a product and must act, dress, speak and coif your hair in a manner that the company approves of.
Look at Jon! He dressed conservatively, wore his hair just so, and it totally was not him. The only reason I can think of, that Kate got away with dressing like a whore on her show, K+8, was that it would draw eyeballs.
Her yoga pants and bible verse T-shirts were history. Sorry, Isaiha, you're no longer needed to draw the Evangelical Christians in to watch the show and give "love offerings".
As for Phil from DD, I think this is crap. He is being oppressed for speaking out against a group of people who have long suffered oppression. Ironic, isn't it?
Phil has his beliefs and he spoke his truth, and he's being punished for it because it's anything but PC right now. He also represents what a whole lot of DD fans believe.
Hey, I'm not "in line" with Phil, but I do believe in the First Amendment and know that many have died for that right in defending the Constitution of this great country.
Have no doubt, all that fame and fortune comes at a price, and I for one think that Phil should have every RIGHT to speak his mind, and his personal truth, to GQ.
I hear you. Shovel out in the morning and shovel back in in the evening. It gets old very fast. Especially with more to come .
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I'm a bit envious! We got a couple bouts of snow this month, which is pretty unusual, but wonderful.
Our temps here are going to be almost 70 this weekend. Bah! It's Christmas!
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 24
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@Mydmaxx seriously. It's amazing... There is SO much to wrap! And I just started!
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Oh, the histrionics!
Kate has had 8 children for almost 10 years. An entire freaking DECADE and the volume still gets to her.
It's mind boggling how she just doesn't seem to acclimate to having 8 kids. By now, wrapping, cooking, laundry x8 should be wrote.
But not for Katie Krieder. Where's the attention-drawing factor in that?
"LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!!! I HAVE 8 KIDS!!!!!!!!!! I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BUSY!!! MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMEME!!!"
What the hell happened? I was never going to be "like those old farts". 23
I don't know but with my arthritis, walking scares me more than driving. :(
(Leslie)
Mr Roberson did not speak as a representative of A & E. He spoke as a private citizen about his own personal beliefs.
Gail #26 said: Comparing gay men to the act of bestiality? Is a little much. Gail this was the exact quote from his article: Note he did NOT compare homosexuality to bestiality.
“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”
Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2nvdksVcc
Well, in Kate's world, maybe wrapping two gifts per child is overwhelming. Frankly I do believe she does shower them with Xmas gifts as a bribe. That picture of the half lit tree and a few presents may have taken before all the loot was placed under the tree.
BTW, has she ever mentioned donating gently used toys or even buying new toys so a poor child has a nice Xmas ?(that pesky giving back theme she tried years ago). She is indeed, as one poster upthread put it, "a sloth".
(Leslie)
You sign your life away when you sign up for a RTV show. They PWN your ass! You are a product and must act, dress, speak and coif your hair in a manner that the company approves of.
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A&E knew full well what Phil Robertson and their family believed....heck, they have been on for 2 full seasons. Phil has always spoke his mind and he has given talks around the country the past year about his strong bible beliefs. He is quoting the bible. The family has written several books the past year about their beliefs. How come A&E earned plenty, plenty of millions off of them and signed them up for a third season when they knew full well how all the Robertson's talk, dress and handle themselves. They are open up their failures and past mistakes and their staunch beliefs about the bible--especially about abortion and homosexuality. These are the Phil's personal beliefs. This was no shock to A&E. Of course they knew the family doesn't support homosexuality because they believe in the bible and the bible is against it.
Found this online this morning. A school group is cancelling their annual overnite trip to Sea World because of the movie Blackfish.
http://www.news8000.com/news/blackfish-prompts-school-to-cancel-seaworld-trip/-/326/23554392/-/knt4pw/-/index.html
I'm in no way defending the DD guy but seriously...is anyone really surprised by what he said? It's part and parcel of the schtick that he's selling.
He's promoting himself as a backwoods bigot who's proud to be a redneck, and that, my friends, is what viewers are buying. The plaid shirt and grizzled beard? Part of his brand. And he carries a Bible as a shield against those who might otherwise criticize his choices.
This I believe: The comments--and perhaps the suspension itself -- was calculated to draw even more eyes to the show (ergo, dollars).
Kinda like Miley Cyrus and her tongue-lolling twerking. Say what you will, but she's laughing all the way to the bank.
BTW, has she ever mentioned donating gently used toys or even buying new toys so a poor child has a nice Xmas ?(that pesky giving back theme she tried years ago). She is indeed, as one poster upthread put it, "a sloth".
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"sloth"= that was me, and she is.
I know why Kevin did Kate's chores for her- he just wanted her to shut the f*ck up!
Buying for needy kids has become a (real) Christmas tradition for DH and me. This year, we donated to a local charity that will hold a Christmas "shopping" event for parents who can not afford to get their kids presents.
We bought a Rainbow Loom, a HUGE fire truck with all the lights and sirens! and some jammies.
Tamara has filed a juvenile, unprofessional response to Simon's response:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/12/real-housewives-orange-county-tamra-barney-rips-ex-husband-new-court-bid-allow-children-to-be-filmed/
Too strong of a reaction? I don't care. What this 'man' said is on par with Paula Deen's reprehensible statements. In fact, this guy may be worse.
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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
-Votaire
Formerly Duped said... 192
#santasbusy #stayout
I thought they didn't DO Santa even in jest! Why doesn't she wrap as she buys- as each daily Amazon box arrives lol Would be easier too, if she kept a list for each child to make things even.she's so not-organized!
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I doubt she even needs to keep a list. She buys the same thing in triplicate or in packs of 6, so it's easy to tell who gets what. Those kids don't have their own personalities; according to her they all want the same things.
Rhymes with Witch said... 4
I know that there are couples in the deaf culture/community who worry about having a.hearing child for a variety of reasons, but they don't announce it to the world.
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Even if they did announce it, a loving parent would say something like, "we worried about little junior being able to hear when we're deaf. How do we teach him to say words out loud? But once he was here, we realized it didn't matter, it would all work out in the end." They wouldn't describe it as the most horrible day in their lives.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 21
I don't understand this. Is she trying to be funny? Some days Kate and Milo are made for each other. I can't remember the last time Kate ever said anything I found remotely funny. They are quite similar.
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Maybe Milo really IS TFW! Then all of Milo's "TFW knows who I really am" crap would be true! LOL!
BTW, has she ever mentioned donating gently used toys or even buying new toys so a poor child has a nice Xmas ?(that pesky giving back theme she tried years ago). She is indeed, as one poster upthread put it, "a sloth".
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If she does, then every Tom, Dick and Harry will be tweeting her for donations to the charity they represent. Not only that, if she does donate, she'd be called out for bragging about it. If you pay back, most people don't broadcast it...they do it quietly. In this case, she would be damned if she does mention it, and damned if she doesn't. She's caught between and rock and a hard place.
We don't know if she's done anything for any organization this Christmas. Of course, I don't believe for one second she's given to anyone, such as Toys For Tots, but because she doesn't mention it really doesn't prove that she didn't. I have a feeling, though, that if she did, she'd find a way to let everyone know about it. She can't keep quiet.
Geez...did I just defend her? Must be that hangover from too much spiked cider.
We do know, however, that she has SO MANY gifts to wrap. She couldn't resist putting that out there. What's wrong with her? Why even mention it? If that's true, and her house looks like Santa's workshop, you can bet your bottom dollar that she's not doing it all on her own. She's called in the wrapping brigade.
What A&E did is no different than what other employers would do under similar circumstances. Do any of the people complaining about this have jobs? Other than fundamentalist Christian and ultra right wing organizations, I can't think of a single employer that would allow employees to make racist and homophobic remarks while representing them. There is nothing about this that is unique to reality TV contracts. This is not a 1st Amendment issue; the gov't is not restricting his free speech.
I hesitate to say anything about the DD discussion because it's a heated topic and we should shy away from heated topics here. But Phil doesn't live for the show. Google him, about his life, about what he has done with his life when the cameras are not rolling. He is not selling a backwoods-ignorant schtick for the sake of getting more money. He is a preacher, he is heavily involved with his church and his religion. He wanted to use the show as a way to showcase family values and religion. He even talked about it in an interview, about turning the entertainment industry around.
I agree with Admin on how sad it is they can suspend him, yet if his family wanted to back him up by not producing more shows until he's reinstated, they can't without a huge lawsuit on their hands that A&E would probably win. Very sad that once you sign a TV contract, you can no longer be yourself or talk about your own beliefs. If the DD family were smart, and wanted to back their father up, they would talk about the same things, and get themselves suspended as well. What's A&E going to do? Suspend them all?
And A&E doesn't care one whit about Phil or what he said. It's all about advertising dollars. They had to do something so advertisers wouldn't pull out.
Either she's playing up the"poor me put-upon mom of millions of children" or she's giving a big FU to everyone to counter all of her failures lately. "See, it doesn't matter if you think I am a failure at everything I do...I STILL have more money than all of you!"
“The Petitioner utilizes the majority of his declaration to diminish my character while at the same time he is living with his girlfriend, who is twenty years younger than him. I am requesting the court admonish the Petitioner regarding his tactics. The Petitioner should take a moment to reflect on how he is damaging our children instead of utilizing all of his energies toward alienating them from me.”
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Oh she's something else. What evidence is there Simon is alienating the children against her? She doesn't say. And bringing up someone's younger girlfriend when that has absolutely nothing to do, whatsoever, with filming, is a pretty silly tactic. She didn't say his girlfriend is inappropriate or bad for the children. Just younger than him. Who cares?
She says the children won't be involved in the trashy scenes Simon describes. Well I should hope not. That's not the point. The point is they would be associated with such a trashy show, and Simon was very clear why that was a problem.
I had read this summer that the DD father was not going to be on much this next season as he was tired of it. Is this another way to market? Also, we do have freedom of speech, but one must be prepared to expect consequences...
Pam
A&E Is Right said... 49
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None of us knows what's in Phil's contract.
Was Phil being interviewed as Phil, or as DD Phil? Is he "on the job" 24/7? In character 24/7?
Again, I have no idea whether Phil's freedom of speech is restricted legally. I have no idea whether he's signed his Constitutional Rights away.
So I guess the $1000+ bird and cage and birdie-neccesities weren't enough for a Christmas gift? She has to add tons of gifts on top of that? Thats gonna be one expensive Christmas in the gosselin household.
I am requesting the court admonish the Petitioner regarding his tactics.
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So, Tamara wants the court to waggle its finger at Simon's nose? Really?
"Tell Simon he's meanie!"
She's an idiot. What is on her show is nothing short of salacious. Hookers humping on her children's stepfather? Soft porn in a bathtub?
She is nothing short of an embarrassment to her children and has modeled very poor behavior.
Oh I doubt she has an 'agenda' with her stupid wrapping tweets. She has nothing of real importance to say and clearly nothing much to do. She thinks she's being funny with her wrapping whines. She's not. Another ho-hum holiday where she complains about everything. Probably has had the ham in the crockpot for days now. When my children were young we had the 8 nights of Chanukah x 3 - I know about wrapping. Just soldiered through it, and I did use real paper. So to you, Kate - yawn.
I have absolutely NO DOUBT she doesn't donate a thing. First, she can't keep her trap shut and second, the fact that she used a consignment shop for the kids' clothes ( and I bet she still does) confirms the woman hasn't got a generous bone in her body. So ironic she expected, no, demanded that people and companies donate to her family.
I am requesting the court admonish the Petitioner regarding his tactics.
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So, Tamara wants the court to waggle its finger at Simon's nose? Really?
"Tell Simon he's meanie!"
She's an idiot.
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LOL I know! Anyway, there was nothing wrong with Simon's brief. He's allowed to point out all the bad points about her and what she's doing just as she is allowed to do the same. She can't even begin to understand what nasty tactics people use in these situations. This was nothing. I LIKED his brief.
I think Zorro was a gift to Kate. Remember, she picked out the puppies and named them. I think the bird is strictly for her to tweet about.
Can I ask that we do not bring our views on his religious beliefs into this conversation? We should focus on his contract, and how he, and other DD family members, cannot say what they truly believe off camera for fear of being suspended, yet they can't quit.
Ingrid, I posted about that yesterday. Isn't that great? At that time it was only showing up in one source, our local paper. I went over to CNN's story tips page and sent them the link, asking them to do a story. Perhaps other people did the same. Low and behold this morning CNN has their own full story with interviews with parents and teachers. According to them, a 10 year old girl led the charge after seeing the movie. GOOD FOR HER!
I am not only moved by this because I feel strongly about this cause, but it moves me that Kirra Kirby, described as a shy child and only 10, was able to make a change so big that CNN picked up the story. One person can make a difference. Even a child.
But I guess according to SeaWorld, this Kirra Kirby child does not represent Americans. Screw them.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/18/us/school-cancels-seaworld-california/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
I wonder if it's going to be a tough decision for some of the kids to spend whatever Christmas visitation Jon has with them this year. Stay with the happy funtime bird or go get more gifts?
What to do...what to do...
Remember her nasty interview last year where she said that the kids prefer to be with her over Christmas?
I wouldn't be saying stuff like that then put it out there that I am wrapping gazillions of presents and bought an expensive bird and all that. It sure as heck makes it look like she's trying to bribe them again. Of course the kids want to be with her if that's the case. That's where they get spoiled. Jon may only have one or two presents per child, how can that compete?
I feel for Jon and any parent who is trying to give their kids a normal life, a normal and restrained Christmas, and not spoil them. I'm not sure how you do that when you have one parent so over the top and apt to spoil them. I think both parents need to be on board about not spoiling kids or all a kid will take from it is that one parent is the nice one who provides, and the other likes to deprive them and I don't want to be with them. When both parents commit to not going over the top, the kid is not placed in that dilemma. This is such a sad situation. And probably yet another example of why Jon explains that parenting wise they are not on the same page. Obviously they sure aren't.
Also, we do have freedom of speech, but one must be prepared to expect consequences...
Pam
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That's coercion and that's not what the Constitution says. Why is there a first amendment if you can expect to be punished for exercising your religion, views and speech?
Phil was not threatening nor was he obscene.
What's obscene is censoring this man.
None of us knows what's in Phil's contract.
Was Phil being interviewed as Phil, or as DD Phil? Is he "on the job" 24/7? In character 24/7?
Again, I have no idea whether Phil's freedom of speech is restricted legally. I have no idea whether he's signed his Constitutional Rights away.
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You claimed that he is being oppressed. It is not oppression to expect an employee or contractor to refrain from making controversial remarks. The clerk at Walmart doesn't get to express his bigotry while on the job. This is no different. And considering that the interview coincides with the season premiere of the show, I think it's fair to say he was "DD Phil."
PatK said... 65
I wonder if it's going to be a tough decision for some of the kids to spend whatever Christmas visitation Jon has with them this year. Stay with the happy funtime bird or go get more gifts?
What to do...what to do...
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Hence the zoo...
Who feeds the chickens when the boys are gone? Who feeds Shoka and now the bird?
We KNOW the kids are tasked with these chores, and I highly doubt Kate assures them that the animals will be well cared for when they're gone.
I think Kate ignores the animals when the kids go away, and they know it.
Robert's report about the dogs' cage told me everything I need to know about how little Kate regards blessed creatures.
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That's coercion and that's not what the Constitution says. Why is there a first amendment if you can expect to be punished for exercising your religion, views and speech?
Phil was not threatening nor was he obscene.
What's obscene is censoring this man
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Actually he was obscene, depending upon your defintion of obscene. He was graphic at the very least, talking about the virtues of a vagina versus a man's anus.
I agree with Insert, discuss the contract but it's a bad idea to get into the religious aspect of it.
I also don't think A&E cares either, it's just a dollars in dollars out problem and if they think this is problematic for their bottom line he's gone.
T.V. is a harsh business. One wrong move and you're out. That is something that trained actors who have been doing this for years is used to. I think this is a different, much harsher ball game when the only character you've ever played is yourself and that character is fired. Where do you go from there? Fortunately this family has a lot of other things going on besides their reality show, but what if this happened to someone whose life was the reality show? Reality T.V. is one of the worst things to ever happen to television, and to the people involved.
OT on the Target hacking. The company now admits the breach, which could possibly be the largest security breach in the history of the use of credit cards. Forty million? Good gosh...
http://fox2now.com/2013/12/19/target-40-million-customer-credit-debit-cards-may-have-been-hacked/
Can I ask that we do not bring our views on his religious beliefs into this conversation? We should focus on his contract, and how he, and other DD family members, cannot say what they truly believe off camera for fear of being suspended, yet they can't quit.
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Off camera? He was not overheard expressing his views in the local diner, he was giving an interview to a national publication promoting the
You claimed that he is being oppressed. It is not oppression to expect an employee or contractor to refrain from making controversial remarks. The clerk at Walmart doesn't get to express his bigotry while on the job
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Is Phil on the job 24/7?
I go to work and put in my 8-10 hours and then go home, where I'm just me, not PT Tucker's Mom who works for (insert employer here).
When Phil is filming, sure, he can't spew off his bible beliefs, but when Phil is being interviewed, if it is NOT a part of his contract, I think he should be able to express his views without fear of retribution.
Again, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN HIS CONTRACT OR IF HE WAS REPRESENTING DD AND A+E WHEN HE DID THE INTERVIEW.
....just to be clear ;-)
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 71
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Agree. I think what is being done to Phil is wrong, but I don't exactly feel sorry for him when he can go home and cry on his big bags of money.
It's called DD because Phil and his family have built just that. He's a self-made man who is a successful entrepreneur, and that business will be there long after the cameras are gone.
RTV is fickle, and you MUST have a game plan for when it's over. You can't be like Kate and just expect that the cameras will go away and the you'll be relevant forever.
It's like when Kate was told by the Vanity Fair writer that the British pap was taking her picture because she was hot at the moment.
"At the moment?", Kate sniffed.
Yes, Dear, at the moment.
Gawd, she was so cocky and absolutely let fame go to her head.
I wonder if Kate even realizes that her favorite get-away-from-the-kids hangout, Target, had this immense security breach.
Hmm... wonder if Chris has given up hanging out in the Target lot. Kate's pics not worth much these days.
T.V. is a harsh business. One wrong move and you're out
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Right, just look at J+K's contract! That family couldn't fart in the wrong direction!
OrangeCrusher1 said...(59)
"Oh I doubt she has an 'agenda' with her stupid wrapping tweets. She has nothing of real importance to say and clearly nothing much to do. She thinks she's being funny with her wrapping whines. She's not. Another ho-hum holiday where she complains about everything. Probably has had the ham in the crockpot for days now. When my children were young we had the 8 nights of Chanukah x 3 - I know about wrapping. Just soldiered through it, and I did use real paper. So to you, Kate - yawn."
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I totally agree. It doesn't seem like she even retains anything she tweets about and just does it for her narcissistic supply. Tweet something, fans fawn, feed ego and we're done.
No matter what she's tweeting its underlying tone is, "Poor put upon me, 8 kids, no partner, no help, gettin 'er done all by my lonesome."
I don't think she even realizes just how often she contradicts herself through her tweets and interviews. Either that or she's so clueless she doesn't even realize that she is contradicting herself.
Either way, just proves what a tool she is.
Commenting on Phil Robertson, DD.
Phil is who he is and being on DD wasn't going to change that one bit. A&E hired the Robertson family because they are unique. Self-made millionnaires who believe in God and family. They, especially Phil, are rough around the edges. That's his way of life. At some point Phil was going to share his beliefs with the media, it was just a matter of time. And, most likely, A&E wouldn't like what he had to say.
Now A&E is in the position of upholding family values by suspending Phil. A bit hypocritical of them if you ask me.
What is going to be interesting is how the rest of the Robertson clan reacts. They can't stop filming because they are under contract. But they can speak out to the media. And then A&E has a bigger problem on their hands.This is a ton of Robertson's telling it like it is.
IMO the Robertson's core values will survive, family and God. And I suspect that's all that Phil really cares about.
A&E Is Right said... 73
Off camera? He was not overheard expressing his views in the local diner, he was giving an interview to a national publication promoting the
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I get what everyone's saying. When you don your Walgreen's uniform, you are no longer yourself, and there's consequences to things you say and do.
However, the employees' personality is not making the company money. Walgreens business model doesn't revolve around who that person is as an individual. It's tougher when you go on a reality show, being yourself, then when yourself in an interview, where A&E can't edit you out, your punished. It's a different situation.
We should focus on his contract, and how he, and other DD family members, cannot say what they truly believe off camera for fear of being suspended, yet they can't quit.
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The family is really tight, so I wonder how the rest of the cast will react to continued filming without Phil.
I'm sure A+E has them all by the short and curlies.
Jon knows that particular pain!
Off camera? He was not overheard expressing his views in the local diner, he was giving an interview to a national publication promoting the
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I haven't been following this. He was filmed saying this? If not, then it was off camera, was it not?
What is A&?
Is Phil any different than Paula Deen? When you choose the celebrity life you give up a lot of private citizen status. Phil was not being interviewed as a man on the street, his celebrity status brought him that interview. He has a contract, and should know the difference between freedom of speech and discretion. He chose his words; his employer probably has a contractual right to censor him. Not feeling a lot of boo-hoo over this. Grownups needs to think before speaking.
OT- a wild turkey was just perched on my fence, then flew to the ground and walked around the yard- very tall, over 2 feet? How can I eat turkey, maybe his brother for Christmas??
As Kevin said, Kate was a manipulator when they were growing up. I believe she has perfected her technique as an adult. She is manipulating the children to choose her over Jon. Until these kids mature, I expect their greed will outweigh their moral and common sense decisions. She can joyfully proclaim each Xmas how they prefer to be with her rather than Jon and that is true only because the kids know there will be a butt load of gifts for them at home under the tree. And since she does not compete with Santa, those kids know darn well the gifts come from mommy. Hopefully Jon will show them a homey holiday with friends, family and the joy of tearing open a few wanted gifts.
I don't watch DD and know nothing of this guy, but I have to go with AE and Pam on this one. This was a public interview for his job. He signed a contract that, presumably, he read first. Your boss can dictate what you wear to work. This is no different.
Actions have consequences and these were dictated by the contract he signed.
Tucker's mom, no it was not
Freedom of speech gives you the right to tell me to FOAD but it also gives me the right to be upset about it. He was very graphic and basically compared a gay man to a terrorist. All of which would anger me if I were a network exec.
Pam
TFW will probably tweet soon how the bird is helping her wrap the presents. What a ma-roon.
T.V. is a harsh business. One wrong move and you're out
I think this is what happened to TFW. One wrong move (whatever it was, it remains unknown) and TLC said she was out.
Gladys is reminding TFW to shred her gift lists, wrapping paper and receipts, lest the "Trashman" find them. Good girl, Gladys, because I bet TFW has never thought of this after her journal and other items became public fodder.
Formerly Duped said... 84
OT- a wild turkey was just perched on my fence, then flew to the ground and walked around the yard- very tall, over 2 feet? How can I eat turkey, maybe his brother for Christmas??
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They are a sight to see.
You won't be eating his brother anytime soon, unless you shoot him yourself.
Retired Techie said... 86
I don't watch DD and know nothing of this guy, but I have to go with AE and Pam on this one. This was a public interview for his job. He signed a contract that, presumably, he read first. Your boss can dictate what you wear to work. This is no different.
Actions have consequences and these were dictated by the contract he signed.
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Can you share your source for this contractual information?
For that matter, has A+E stated that Phil violated a clause in his contract? If that's the case, then game over because he signed his rights away.
So far, I've just read that A+E stated:
" "We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson’s comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series 'Duck Dynasty.' His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community. The network has placed Phil under hiatus from filming indefinitely."
Nothing about a contract.
I see where several of Kate's fans have asked her to retweet about Laney Brown's situation, but Kate has not. Laney Brown is the sick girl in Reading referred to in Robert's latest post.
So what DOES Kate retweet?
StarbucksStore @StarbucksStore 17 Dec
Buy a $25 Starbucks eGift by 12/19. Use it by the end of December to receive another $10 eGift card. US Only. http://sbux.co/1bNbzg7
I guess Starbucks is more important to Kate, than helping a dying girl and her family.
Never a Duck Dynasty fan and I find the obsession with their "reality" show amusing. Yes, Phil has every right to speak his mind. No one is debating that. HOWEVER, when you receive a paycheck from an employer you are expected to represent that company in a manner that brings respect to that employer. That employer also has the right to terminate your services if they feel like you are harming their "brand". It's a two-way street.
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There are so many issues with donating. One organization might have the most money go to the needy but they're anti-gay. Another might only help the arts, but not vets. And on and on. They are free to choose who they want to help; I'm free to choose who I donate to.
For me, I choose to help locally in ways where I know 100% of what I give goes to help someone. I watch for those people. An obviously poor man helping his elderly mother at the grocery store finds his grocery bill paid. And a few extra fun items in his bag of groceries. Sometimes I'll give him $20 bucks for gas.
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Mel - loved your examples of sharing right on your own frontlines. I have limited funds to donate and always wish I could do more. So to make sure my few dollars count, I have several charities where the money will be used locally. Meals on Wheels is one of my favorites. Hospice is another; and of course any of our local food banks/pantries.
I also have several homeless people that I give cash to on a regular basis, without judgment for their situation or what they might do with the money. One is an older lady and I always wonder - "how did you end up here!?"
A&E cancelled Dog The Bounty Hunter back when Dog was caught calling his own daughter in law the N word, in a private phone call with his son, which was secretly taped by the son and released to the media. Dog was not in his official capacity in an interview for his show and his use of the word had nothing to do with A&E.
Dog did not compare his DIL to an animal, he did not compare his son's mixed race marriage to bestiality, nor did he call his DIL a gateway to anything. Still, the network cancelled the show and no politicians got on a 'Free Speech' bandwagon. Neither did any right wingers start pulling out any of the many parts of the Old Testament that warn against mixed race marriages.
Being afraid of gays is the last bastion of socially acceptable bigotry. For now. If this Duck guy had substituted a skin color or race or even chemical addiction in place of sexual orientation, would we still be in a snit over A&E's actions?
Didn't TFW blather on last year about the piles and piles of gifts she had to wrap and all the boxes of baubles she needed to hang and the strings and strings of broken lights she had to put up? My memory is not to be entirely trusted these days, but I seem to recall that reality turned out to be not quite as festive as the celebration in her mind. Her silly, insensitive tweets read like Imaginary Christmas, Part Deux to me.
If AE doesn't have a contractual basis for this, they could very well find themselves in legal hot water. However, AE is not required to give this dude a platform for his opinions. This is not the government surpassing free speech. It's an employer requiring an employee to obey their rules.
Over and out.
I read the article. He wasn't pushing the show. The reporter came to his home, shot guns with him. Phil started talking about his beliefs, in his OWN house.
I am tired of politically correct nonsense and worried about offending whatever group is feeling oppressed.
The Christians feel oppressed too. I guess I don't feel like his words were graphic or obscene. It is what it is. A woman's vagina, a man's anus. Good grief the homosexual community pushes it in our faces daily!
AE won't kick him off! They aren't filming now. The new season starts in January. I highly doubt they will re edit him out.
The Robertson's have a lot of control over their contract. I am sure another network would love to pick them up.
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A&E cancelled Dog The Bounty Hunter back when Dog was caught calling his own daughter in law the N word, in a private phone call with his son
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I must have missed the part about Phil saying anti-gay slurs. What hateful slurs did he use?
I hope Steve is on top of the Christmas List Caper, and carefully disposes of any evidence that Kate bought her kids presents this Christmas.
You know, he's so darn good at protecting her personal information.
Tucker's Mom said:
Phil has his beliefs and he spoke his truth, and he's being punished for it because it's anything but PC right now. He also represents what a whole lot of DD fans believe.
Hey, I'm not "in line" with Phil, but I do believe in the First Amendment and know that many have died for that right in defending the Constitution of this great country.
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No one is saying that Phil Robertson can't freely speak his mind. But having free speech does not mean you will also be free from any consequences of speaking freely. The consequence here is that many find his remarks quite offensive, in bad taste, and not very Christian to boot.
So those people who find these remarks offensive also constitute potential purchasers of products being advertised during this show. Advertisers are very reluctant to get in the cross hairs of consumers.
What Robertson did was cause his employer (A&E) to have to deal with the flack and probably unhappy advertisers calling to say "what the heck!!!??"
He is free to spout off his beliefs anywhere and at anytime. That does not mean he is free of the consequences. However, I heard that Robertson wanted off the show and A&E would not release him from his contract. Apparently during this interview, he volunteered these statements - they were not in response to a specific question from the interviewer. So that leads me to wonder - is Phil trying to get booted from the show because he's tired of being involved? While he's homophobic and sexist and generally not appealing to me, I do believe the man is intelligent. I would not be surprised if he didn't do this on purpose.
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Being afraid of gays is the last bastion of socially acceptable bigotry. For now. If this Duck guy had substituted a skin color or race or even chemical addiction in place of sexual orientation, would we still be in a snit over A&E's actions?
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Excellent point. Just as a person's skin color should not matter, a person's inborn sexual orientation should not either. I had a gay brother (now deceased) and he was a joy to be around. An absolutely amazing person. I have any number of gay and lesbian friends, as I do friends of various colors, religious beliefs, etc. I'm not conventionally religious, but I do know one of the Bible's instructions: "Judge not, lest ye be judged." Another biggie: "do unto other as you would have them do unto you."
I try to live by those creeds. I like a person if that person is likeable. Their sexual orientation is immaterial to me.
But even further, Phil Robertson could have said, "I don't agree with homosexuality" and left it there, and I would say, "he's an old guy and unable to change with the times. Fine." But he went beyond into some really very crude language, and even if a person agreed with his initial sentiment, seems like most people ought to be offended by his unChristian-like choice of words and phrases.
If you believe in God, then you ought to also accept that God seems to be creating people who are gay. Why would God do such a thing, if this was an an abomination to him? My belief is if a creator creates a thing, then that thing must be okay in that creator's eyes.
I see where several of Kate's fans have asked her to retweet about Laney Brown's situation, but Kate has not. Laney Brown is the sick girl in Reading referred to in Robert's latest post.
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This beautiful child is everyone's angel. Unfortunately things have gotten so out of hand, that they are having to close down her street on Saturday night because of thousands of people coming to carol at her home. I think Kate is right not to add to this mania right now...the family has asked for privacy at this time and I do not blame them.
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Is Phil on the job 24/7?
I go to work and put in my 8-10 hours and then go home, where I'm just me, not PT Tucker's Mom who works for (insert employer here).
When Phil is filming, sure, he can't spew off his bible beliefs, but when Phil is being interviewed, if it is NOT a part of his contract, I think he should be able to express his views without fear of retribution.
Again, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IN HIS CONTRACT OR IF HE WAS REPRESENTING DD AND A+E WHEN HE DID THE INTERVIEW.
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He is on the job when he is promoting the television shows on which he appears on the A&E Network. I believe that you are being intentionally obtuse. If you can't understand the correlation between doing an interview to promote your television show and appearing on your television show, both of which are professional obligations, I don't what to tell you.
A&E Is Right said... 105
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Now, hold on, there's no need for personal insults here. We're expressing our opinions and disagreeing, which does not give anyone a right to disparage another poster.
I don't take anyone's differing opinion personally, so the attack here is unwarranted. I'm intelligent and confident enough to give everyone their room for their opinion without needing to vehemently reinforce mine.
We see things differently, and that is all.
Please behave according to the rules on this blog.
Thanks.
Robertson did not just make anti-gay remarks, there were also some questionable remarks concerning race. The man was all over the place. A&E took the action they thought was appropriate for the reputation of their company - as is THEIR right.
Unfortunately things have gotten so out of hand, that they are having to close down her street on Saturday night because of thousands of people coming to carol at her home. I think Kate is right not to add to this mania right now...the family has asked for privacy at this time and I do not blame them.
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From this comment I thought they were closing the street to prevent the carolers. Not according to this article:
Christmas Caroling for Laney is now scheduled to begin at 7 p.m. Saturday outside the family's home in West Reading.
"I have ordered the closure of the 400 block of Chestnut Street to vehicle traffic for the duration of the caroling," West Reading Mayor Shane Keller wrote on Facebook. "Please feel free to fill the street and sidewalk around Laney's home."
The 400 block of Chestnut Street will be closed to traffic and off-limit to parked vehicles between 4 p.m. and midnight.
The Reading Hospital has set aside parking for carolers in its 7th Avenue garage. Additional parking arrangements are being made, West Reading police said.
I would love to go if I weren't going to be out-of-state that day.
Oh my goodness. Laney is such a beautiful, loved child. I hope she gets her wish, to meet Taylor Swift, if she is up to it. It is so sad her family is facing losing her at Christmastime. It is hard for those who want to help to know when to back away, when there is no miracle to come..after she has entered everyone's heart.I wish her peace, and also her family
Cancer: I was at my friend's funeral yesterday- she died from pancreatic cancer. My brother-in-law was just diagnosed with stomach cancer. My husband's colleague and friend's wife- breast cancer. While there are many ugly diseases, cancer is so sneaky and random in choosing its victims.
Oh...well, if the caroling is going to go on, it would nice if the Gosselins went- not sure how far away they are. That would be giving back. After all, THEY have met Taylor Swift.I wonder if there is anything else they could do. Please, Kate, have a heart.
TMZ is reporting that A&E knew all about Phil Robertson's leanings. Here's the article below:
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A&E knew all about "Duck Dynasty" star Phil Robertson feelings toward gays when it hired him -- because the guy openly preached that gays were going to hell years before the series started.
Take a look at the video (above) of a 2010 sermon at Berean Bible Church in Pennsylvania ... it's pretty much your typical bible-thumping drill. Phil calls gay people shameful, perverse, heartless, faithless, senseless God haters ... destined for the burning pits of hell.
So with that backdrop ... A&E hired Robertson ... then allowed him to do an interview with GQ where it HAD to know the reporter would ask questions about his feelings toward gays ... and then when he answered honestly A&E punished Robertson.
Robertson may be misguided, but A&E is being dishonest for feigning shock about something it definitely knew all about.
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I'm not saying that Phil did was right (or wrong), only that A&E is hypocritical if this latest information is true.
Now, hold on, there's no need for personal insults here. We're expressing our opinions and disagreeing, which does not give anyone a right to disparage another poster.
I don't take anyone's differing opinion personally, so the attack here is unwarranted. I'm intelligent and confident enough to give everyone their room for their opinion without needing to vehemently reinforce mine.
We see things differently, and that is all.
Please behave according to the rules on this blog.
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Agreed; Enough is enough. (105) is an insult to posters, and a violation of Rule #3.
Localyocal you are correct, they are closing the street to accomodate the more than 2,000 carolers. I apologize if my wording was confusing.
I must have missed the part about Phil saying anti-gay slurs. What hateful slurs did he use?
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He likened it to bestiality. Here's one quote:
“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong. Sin becomes fine," he later added. “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men. Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers -- they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”
He is indeed entitled to his opinion, which appears to be that homosexual behavior is a gateway to bestiality, becoming a male prostitute, or being a swindler, to name a few. That is offensive to me because I know many fine people who also happen to be gay. They lead lives very much like my own. They hold down jobs, they have partners that they love and are faithful to, they pay their taxes, they are basically law abiding citizens and good neighbors. To hear them compared to prostitutes, people who practice bestiality, or swindlers and cheats is offensive to those of us who love and admire them.
If you don't like gay people, okay. But to compare them or align them with all sorts of deviant or illegal behavior simply based on their sexual orientation is offensive, and I cannot find the spirit of true Christianity anywhere in that quote.
Tucker's Mom said... 67
Also, we do have freedom of speech, but one must be prepared to expect consequences...
Pam
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That's coercion and that's not what the Constitution says. Why is there a first amendment if you can expect to be punished for exercising your religion, views and speech?
Phil was not threatening nor was he obscene.
What's obscene is censoring this man.
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The 1st amendment doest not guarantee you the freedom to say anything you want while at work. Many jobs/work sites have a code ethics, and you better believe your speech falls under their code of ethics. For example, you cannot go to work and call your co-worker a fa**ot, or preach on about homosexuality being a sin. You also cannot express how you think all blacks are lazy and mooching off the system and all women belong at home, in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. So Phil is NOT being oppressed, nor is he being censored. He can say what he feels all day long while not at work (with A&E). Simple. And I literally defend your rights. United States Navy.
IMO, we can all choose not to temper our speech, which is our right, but we must then accept that others will react to what we say, which is their right, and we should be prepared for this consequence.
If you're not prepared to accept the consequences of your free speech, then you should re-consider voicing those thoughts.
In this case, if the guy wanted to stay on the program he needed to give some thought to what he was spouting off about on national tv. It's not like he was tricked, trapped, or secretly recorded in an environment to which he had a reasonable expectation of privacy.
OTH, I do think it's terrible how the reality tv contracts are written. All the rights are with TLC or whoever, and hardly any rights with the reality person.
The more Milo tweets, the dumber she sounds. Yeah, right, Kate's been through SO MUCH. I guess Milo considers it a hardship when there are so many gifts to wrap that it's causing one to be stressed out. Gosh almighty! Such tough times.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5h
The people with the best advice are usually the ones who have been through the most. ~LifeTools Well, me thinks U qualify
Tucker's Mom said... 67
Also, we do have freedom of speech, but one must be prepared to expect consequences...
Pam
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That's coercion and that's not what the Constitution says. Why is there a first amendment if you can expect to be punished for exercising your religion, views and speech?
Phil was not threatening nor was he obscene.
What's obscene is censoring this man.
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People have "freedom of speech" so they can burn the flag or walk on it, but some "sensitive" topics can get you canned.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5h
@Kateplusmy8 Be sure & shred ur receipts, leftover wrapping paper & gift list...the #Trashman cometh! :) Watching your back!
Great advice there, MIlo, brilliant. Shred those receipts, and if something is the wrong size or defective, she will have a problem returning it.
And all along I thought that it was Kate's front that Milo enjoyed watching.
Mel said... 89
T.V. is a harsh business. One wrong move and you're out
I think this is what happened to TFW. One wrong move (whatever it was, it remains unknown) and TLC said she was out
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One wrong move? Really? She made "wrong moves" several times during each filming. Wasn't it that big, huge pile of "wrong moves" that finally did her in? Didn't TLC finally say, "OK, enough is enough. We will not put up with that person one more day."
They finally pulled the plug. She was simply too nasty to work with any longer. The RV trip did everybody in. Everybody.
Millicent said... 114
I must have missed the part about Phil saying anti-gay slurs. What hateful slurs did he use?
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He likened it to bestiality. Here's one quote:
“Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong. Sin becomes fine," he later added. “Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality
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I didn't read it that way, and I did read the entire article.
Phil was asked, what in his mind, is a sin. Phil expanded, offering several example, homosexuality being one of them.
He was listing them, not likening one to the other. If that holds true, then he likened homosexuality to adultery and prostitution and drunkards.
Phil's choice of "morph" was probably wrong and left open to this interpretation, but I don't think he was saying that being gay leads to f*cking animals.
I just can't help but think that A+E are hypocrites. They KNEW the Robertson's beliefs, but wanted to make countless million off of their image of red neck, bible thumping Christians, and sell that image with a Vaseline-smeared lens.
Heaven forbid the Robertsons put a fine point on their beliefs. Be a redneck, bible thumping Christian and shut you pie hole!
My views, again, respectfully.
Otherwise, always loving Millicent's posts!
Good discussion, by and large.
Somewhere In Time said... 116
Well I think Milo is right for a change, Kate is truly a tool for life.
OK, with all due respect, Phil DID NOT compare gay people to terrorists or bestiality. He was merely naming groups of sinners, never saying nor implying that one group had anything to do with the other. We are ALL sinners. We ALL do things wrong. I once had a friend who was in jail and she tells this story every chance she gets. The chaplain visited her and asked her how many commandments she'd broken. She said 2 or 3. He said, "Oh, you never murdered a relationship with your addiction? You never stole from your childrens' bellies to buy booze instead of food?" He went on and on and he wasn't wrong. We have all done things wrong, whether we are Christians or not.
Phil merely paraphrased some scripture and mentioned some of the groups chastised in the Bible. If you've ever heard him talk, you know the words just tumble out in a jumble, no punctuation or emphasis at all. Here's another quote from the interview, and again, he seems to just let a bunch of various groups fall into the same sentence, no comparisons are implied: “We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?” If he's homophobic, he just is. I don't like that but I can't do anything about it. I'm not defending that, and frankly, I found his comments on race more concerning than his comments on sin, because he's pulling the sin stuff straight out of scripture and he IS very old school. The race stuff is disturbing though. Anyway....he wanted off the show, said his role was gradually diminishing, and I don't think he really cares if he's fired.
FRP
If you're not prepared to accept the consequences of your free speech, then you should re-consider voicing those thoughts.
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The interesting thing is, the writer wrote this within the first couple paragraphs of the article:
"Out here in these woods, without any cameras around, Phil is free to say what he wants.
Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/television/201401/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson#ixzz2nxwPhgJ7"
-Uh, apparently,not so much. Free as in freedom? Yes. Free as in free of consequences? Nope.
TLC stinks said... 34
She is going overboard with the Xmas gifts to prove she is the best mom ever (material things are the only things she gives those kids) and to outdo Jon's Xmas. And yes, I think a few fans are still sending gifts, she saves them, and then wraps them for Xmas.
No wonder those kids feel entitled.
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Sad and true. Always trying to "out do" Jon in order to keep the kids home and away from Jon. Why the bird right before Thanksgiving with a visit with Jon looming? Seems like more like a Christmas present.
Wish the kids could buy her a "Has Been Kate" doll, to get her to stop marketing them, but, oh the wrath!!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5h
The people with the best advice are usually the ones who have been through the most. ~LifeTools Well, me thinks U qualify
December 19, 2013 at 2:26 PM
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Like telling a bunch of models dressed up as brides to never get married. Yeah, great insight and advice there.
Actually he was obscene, depending upon your defintion of obscene. He was graphic at the very least, talking about the virtues of a vagina versis a man's anus." 70
I will grant you that his language was graphic, but it was anatomically correct.
Was it appropriate in an interview with a national publication? An
interview I'm guessing he got because of the show. Which brings me to:
"He is free to spout off his beliefs anywhere and at anytime. That
does not mean he is free of the consequences. However, I heard that Ronertson wanted off the show and A&E would not release him from his comtract. Apparently during this interview, he volunteered these statements - they were not in response to a specific question from the interviewer. So that leads me to wonder - is Phil trying to get booted
from the show because he's tired of being involved? While he's
homophobic and sexist and generally not appealing to me, I do believe the man is intelligent. I would not be surprised if he didn't do this on purpose." 107
Interesting........................
I'm not saying that Phil did was right (or wrong), only that A&E is
hypocritical if this latest information is true. 111
I agree.
Anyone else remember when an Alaskan crab fishing family tried to opt out of The Deadliest Catch? Discovery sicced huge legal guns on them.
&E cancelled Dog The Bounty Hunter back when Dog was caught calling
his own daughter in law the N word, in a private phone call with his
son 89
Just like Tamama's contract. You give up any semblence of privacy.
WHO DOES THIS?
I'm confused. This tweet came from a fan who thinks the sun rises and sets on BV. Why would she tweet this to him? Am I missing something here?
Lauren @ljohnson2006 30m
@BullyVille you have more identities than the @Kateplusmy8 trolls. I wish they'd disappear. No one deserves to have lies spread bout them
Well I think Milo is right for a change, Kate is truly a tool for life.
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Post of the day!
TFW's biggest fan trying to help her with that tweet about shedding receipts...does she realize she's calling attention to the failed lawsuit?
Will that endear her to TFW? And it brings those journals to mind again. The journals that detailed physical abuse and neglect of toddlers and animals. Sure makes the little smiley emoticon in her tweet seem inappropriate.
Localyocal you are correct, they are closing the street to accomodate the more than 2,000 carolers. I apologize if my wording was confusing
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So cool and so sad I really wish I could go. Il. Never forget a girl on my nieces softball team with leukemia at the same age. She had a bone marrow transplant but developed graft b host disease. My sister said the girl was throwing up after a game and she died not long after. That haunts me. She would e graduating high school this year. And today on Facebook I saw it was the second anniversary of her teenage sons death from cancer. She said "nothing will ever be good again". Yea Milo TFW has been through soon much lying in bed to give birth to healthy kids having a helpful supportive husband SHE filed for divorce against and making millions for being a bitch on tee vee
Then there was a girl in same nieces class who got a brain tumor 4th of July before Freshman year and died 6 mo later. Just developednanterrinle headache one day and never did he to go to high school. Sorry but Milo holding her as some sort of survivor infuriates me
That is classic Milo. What an awkward comment.
She's the type of person to exclaim loudly hey you you have a booger in your nose. No not that one right there!! Just trying to be helpful you're welcome! Helpful ole me!
For heaven sake couldn't you have just quietly passed them a tissue?
That is classic Milo. What an awkward comment.
She's the type of person to exclaim loudly hey you you have a booger in your nose. No not that one right there!! Just trying to be helpful you're welcome! Helpful ole me!
For heaven sake couldn't you have just quietly passed them a tissue?
She's the type of person to exclaim loudly hey you you have a booger in your nose. No not that one right there!! Just trying to be helpful you're welcome! Helpful ole me!
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lol!! But I bet Kate would look gorgeous to Milo, booger or no booger. In fact, she'd probably say that since Kate works so hard,and so tirelessly, 24/7, a booger is going to happen now and then, but Kate stays positive and never lets one get her down. Then she'll scour the internet for a platitude about a booger, or a picture of a mother animal wiping its baby's nose...and somehow connect it to Kate.
With tongue in check...I can't resist.
Perhaps A&E should have employed Steve to "handle" Phil Robertson. Now that's entertainment!
@MiloandJack: The people with the best advice are usually the ones who have been through the most. ~LifeTools Well, me thinks U qualify @Kateplusmy8 :)
@mycharlotte5244: @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 been through the most? what in God's name has she been through As a mother who lost a child this really pisses me
@MiloandJack: @mycharlotte5244 Sorry U lost a child..cannot imagine that pain. Don't take it personal..I'm sure U quality too! It's not an exclusive club.
WTH Milo! Whatever TFW has or has not been through does not compare in any way, shape or form to the loss of a child. This is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen Milo tweet.
Perhaps A&E should have employed Steve to "handle" Phil Robertson.
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I somehow don't believe that Robertson is really into being handled by a man, Steve or otherwise.
Have the few remaining sheeple commented on Milo's insane tweets? Do they jump in to "defend" her comments and lusting, or is she an embarrassment to the flock and they just basically ignore her insensitive and bizarre tweets?
Melissa NV said... 141
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They pretty much ignore her assinine tweets.
I'm scratching my head at what has been so darn hard about Kate's life. As far as I'm concerned she's had a charmed life. She has eight sweet healthy kids, a wonderful home and community, and more money than anyone could ever want or need.
If she's referring to the divorce, Kate initiated that. That was her choice to file. She could have tried to work it out. She chose not to. You don't get to create bad things for yourself then cry that your life is hard. And please, that divorce should have been over and done with ages ago. It's been Kate's choice to continue the animosity on and on. No one forced her to be a parental alienator or to be so obsessed with her ex, least of all Jon, who has long moved on and is even living with another woman now. All her choices.
Re Duck Dynasty: I listened to TMZ live on way home today. Harvey had couple of good points. A&E knew Phil viewpoints, he has never hidden his beliefs and he has preached at his church. A&E set up thr GQ interview. The network had to expect questions about his beliefs. Harvey had a good point, the network had no right to act shocked or surprised by this episode. Also, the next season is already FILMED!
TMZ has interesting perspective.
If we're defending homophobia and allowing comparisons of African Americans in the '60s to white trash, I think I'm out.
This is why I detest organized religion. It's like a cult.
There was a fan who had an obsession with a celebrity I know, showing up at various events, gigs, camping outside the venues, wanting to be recognized. This was before the days of Twitter, but she jumped on various boards, writing glowing reviews of the shows, praising this person with over-the-top gushing, wanting backstage passes, hoping for free tickets, imagining herself to be his personal assistant, spokesperson and head of a fan club. She really did make a pest of herself, but that goes with the territory when you're a well-known person. Celebrities expect this.
The celebrity skated on thin ice. He was very nice to her, but was cautious about giving her too much attention. You can't ignore such a person, but then again, being too generous gives a fan a sense of entitlement and where does it end? You walk a thin line there, and sometimes it's really difficult to know exactly how to deal with such a person. I wonder if Kate ever feels that way when she reads some of Milo's tweets. Is she a bit embarrassed, or does she just eat it up, knowing that there is at least one fan who will stop at nothing to support and defend her?
In the early days, I thought Milo was smarter than the average bear, er, sheep, not a genius, but not as slow upstairs as some of them.
It appears that I was wrong.
Hay Kate, people who are pinching and piecing things together right now only give their kids a few gifts. My nieces are getting three gifts. Its the same number of gifts Jesus got on his birthday. They are getting gifts from other family members. But, they are just getting three from santa.
This is why I detest organized religion. It's like a cult.
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For some, perhaps, but others who embrace it find that without it, their lives would be void and without meaning. What a dull and mundane world this would be if everyone thought the same way about everything.
Abby, who is defending what he said? Most of us are either outright disagreeing and/or saying he's pulling it directly from the Bible. He has released a statement in response to being fired:
"I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior. My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.
"However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other."
FRP
Somewhere In Time said... 120
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5h
@Kateplusmy8 Be sure & shred ur receipts, leftover wrapping paper & gift list...the #Trashman cometh! :) Watching your back!
Perhaps Milo really meant to type 'Be sure and shred your recipes'. That makes more sense to me. But seriously do keep in mind that is is Milo spouting this nonsense, not Kate.
As for wanting Kate to tweet about or take her children to a carol vigil for a dying girl she does not know, perhaps it is more respectful to not be involved. Who is she to this family. I would leave this one alone.
This guy is simply backpedaling on his previous statement. As if anything he says now could undue the horrific, repulsive things he's already said.
Also, if you have to actually EXPLAIN after the fact that you didn't mean something most everyone understands you DID (ie-comparing black cotton pickers to white trash & comparing homosexuality to bestiality), well, there's a problem.
The guy is on a power trip where he's acting as judge and jury. I welcome free speech, including MY OWN. There was no 'god's love' expressed in any of the original GQ interview. The guy's a hypocrite, plain and simple. Christians should be ashamed. I would be.
@MiloandJack: @mycharlotte5244 Sorry U lost a child..cannot imagine that pain. Don't take it personal..I'm sure U quality too! It's not an exclusive club.
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Of what club does Milo speaketh?
Also, if you have to actually EXPLAIN after the fact that you didn't mean something most everyone understands you DID (ie-comparing black cotton pickers to white trash & comparing homosexuality to bestiality),
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Sometimes it's necessary to explain it when someone takes a statement and puts his/her own meaning into it, taking it out of context.
I read his original quote. He didn't liken or compare homosexuality to beastiality or anything else. He stated that he thought it was a sin, like beastiality, sleeping around, not staying monogamous. He didn't say that the two were the same...not at all. It appears that someone (the media?) took it out of context and applied their own interpretation to it.
(Leslie)
Amanda, Iowa said... 57
So I guess the $1000+ bird and cage and birdie-neccesities weren't enough for a Christmas gift? She has to add tons of gifts on top of that? Thats gonna be one expensive Christmas in the gosselin household.
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Kate may be piling on the gifts this year for several reasons. Most importantly, because Jon has money this year from filming on VH1. She is afraid that Jon may top her. She can't have that. Second is the kids no doubt have heard about Kate suing their father and she is trying to soothe over that. Third because Kate is Kate...an ass.
Sleepless ... 152
The club is "the ones who have been through the most." Milo kindly says that losing a child is (nearly?) as bad as what Kate's gone through. What a tool. Do you think this woman who has lost a child WANTS to be "in a club" with self-entitled, spoiled Kate?
I'm not fond of what he said and I get why A&E fired him, although I see all the hypocrisy of it too and it will forever tick me off that networks get to kick you to the curb the second you step out of line but when the network uses and abuses their talent the talent can't leave or risk getting the pants sued off them. I also am quite aware of numerous public figures who have said nasty things and never been fired. I did not like being compared to Jonestown recently, but that staff member was never fired. The world is not a fair place and people say things that tick others off and they still get to keep on keeping on, that's sort of how it goes. There will always be people that say inappropriate things. Acting on them bothers me more.
However, I didn't take his comments about African Americans that way. Maybe I misunderstood it. I thought what he was saying is that back in the day he himself was some kind of share cropper or minimum wage worker alongside African Americans. He was saying that he and none of the people he worked with complained or depended on the government to support them. All he was saying is that in his experience people were different back then--I think he should be able to make that observation and have that opinion.
I'm not even sure that's a race thing. I think he needs to understand that people in general I think complain a lot more these days and are less willing to work hard. It's a lot easier these days to be lazy because there are a lot of safety nets in place. Granted, these safety nets have helped a lot of people. Back in his day, if you were lazy you didn't eat. People had to power through terrible hardships and work or they didn't eat. I think it's a fair point that back in his day, more people were working harder and complaining less because they HAD TO. That's because there were no other options but to work hard and not complain. We have a lot more comforts now. If you are ill, disabled, had a baby, going through some tough times emotionally, etc., you can generally take off work and not go under. But, there were a lot of things back in his day that were NOT good that we've much improved on since.
In any case, I don't think he's a stupid man. The whole family is pretty savvy. I think he may have wanted to get fired. I don't think things happen by chance with this group. If you think about it, this might be a better option than getting sued.
Milo kindly says that losing a child is (nearly?) as bad as what Kate's gone through
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I still don't know what Kate has ben through. I'd love to hear Milo explain that one.
Abby (151)
"Also, if you have to actually EXPLAIN after the fact that you didn't mean something most everyone understands you DID (ie-comparing black cotton pickers to white trash & comparing homosexuality to bestiality),"
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I don't think that most people understood it that way. I read a few articles about it, as well as the comments, and there are many that read his statement and posted that he didn't compare homosexuality to beastiality. In fact, many criticized the writers for taking it upon themselves to throw their own interpretation into what he actually said.
I think probably Milo is referring to the seventh embryo that didn't develop. I don't want to sound harsh but...it's not the same thing as giving birth, raising the child for whatever length of time and then losing it to a terrible disease or accident.
Really Milo. For once keep your yap shut. This is not another opportunity to make anyone feel sorry for your idol.
What is wrong with Milo? That tweet she said about that lady that lost her child that U might qualify. What is she saying? Is Milo saying that her suffering is no where near TFW's. I agree that TFW needs to stay out of the little girl who is sick, out of that families business. I would be very upset if TFW went there and took M & C and was caroling and TFW start bragging that she and the girls have seen TS several times. It would tick me off to no end.
She loves to brag about her luxuries to anyone who will listen. What she needs is a job, work come home. In her off time, interact nicely with her children, play with her birdie, tweet and be a good mother to her kids.
When is TFW going to grow up?
Abby, if I did not have my 'religion', I would have committed suicide shortly after my child took their final breath.
That's NOT what Milo said! She's totally not comparing losing a child to Kate's woes. lol (couldn't resist) :)
(Leslie)
Admin. who said Phil was fired?
And again he NEVER compared homosexuality to bestiality. Please read his interview. He was listing different sins that the BIBLE says is sin. He didn'ts say anything mean or disparaging about gays. And he did not make a racist comment. I agree with Admin. that he was simply stating his experience about working with the blacks decades ago.
Also as I posted before, A&E were very aware of Phil's comments about homosexuality and abortion. I think A&E are doing this to drum up interest in their show. The Robertsons do not need A&E. They have tons and tons of money and tons of endorsement deals and a very rich money making company. And mostly they can take their show to numerous other networks.
Maybe I misunderstood it. I thought what he was saying is that back in the day he himself was some kind of share cropper or minimum wage worker alongside African Americans. He was saying that he and none of the people he worked with complained or depended on the government to support them. All he was saying is that in his experience people were different back then
He was talking about the Jim Crow era. Do you think AFrican Americans were generally happier then, too? I find that a tad bit ignorant of him.
Hmmmmmm.........
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/12/duck-dynasty-star-phil-robertson-publisher-defends-racist-homophobic-comments/
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http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/duck-dynasty-star-verbally-attacks-gay-people-newly-emerged-video-article-1.1553737
He was talking about the Jim Crow era. Do you think AFrican Americans were generally happier then, too? I find that a tad bit ignorant of him.
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I don't know. I didn't live in that era in the South, did YOU?
Apparently, Phil did, and he related his life experience, and I can not comprehend the notion of ignorance to ANYONE relating their life experience.
Don't get it... where'e the insult to calling people hard working and self sustaining?
I think some people are just itching to crucify what they fear. Really, this is just fear talking. Phil is not the enemy. I think his views are draconian, fire and brimstone and out of touch with the world we live in, but I do not think he has an ounce of malice in his heart.
Four days until twenty four hours of A Christmas Story! Five days until Christmas!
Time to think about taking the turkey out of the freezer, or take the ham out of the freezer, make your holiday menu, do a grocery store run, do a last minute present run, and send out those Christmas cards before they become New Years cards.
What is everyone planning? Share, please!
Abby said:
'If we're defending homophobia and allowing comparisons of African Americans in the '60s to white trash, I think I'm out.
This is why I detest organized religion. It's like a cult."
Abby, I completely agree with you. There is a huge difference between free speech and hate speech. I am surprised that on a blog that began to speak out about the abuse of children, there are comments that support the bigoted attack on others.
there are comments that support the bigoted attack on others.
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I have not made, nor have I read ONE SINGLE COMMENT that supports Phil's views. I support his right to verbalize his beliefs, as bigoted and ignorant as they may be.
BIG difference.
Please, site one post that supports Phil's views, please.
It's all about money. Is anyone surprised?
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-duck-dynasty-phil-backlash-20131220,0,6689908,full.story#axzz2o1NUE7kd
The guy's a hypocrite, plain and simple.
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The hypocrite is A+E, who is making millions off of this redneck, bible-thumping family.
Phil is being Phil. How is anyone surprised about his views on homosexuality.
By the way, Phil listed other sinners and why aren't alcoholics protesting? Why aren't adulterer's/polyamourists protesting?
He cited many sinners, so why the singular focus on homosexuals?
I think that since Kate's timeline is dead some of her more faithful have wandered over here to stir the pot over comments that were made by Phil (?) that may be open to interpretation as to whether they were or were not homophobic or racial. I'd much rather discuses what everyone is doing for the holidays. Maybe they'll get bored with us and wander back to their normal grazing grounds.
Kate's timeline is dead. Her blog is dead. She gets bored and moves on or buys a bird.
With 8 kids, I can't imagine how much you'd have going on. So much to do and share with her fans, yet she gives them nothing.
So sad the fans have to lap up the measly pablum that their Queen doles out. Must be depressing for them.
Joy in Virginia....167
I read your post and felt a flutter of excitement about Christmas coming. We awoke to snow in Vancouver BC this morning, adding to the joy of the season. The description of your next few days reflects what so many of us will be doing, thanks for bringing your never ending positivity and fun to this blog, it is so appreciated.
Cards are finally done. And they do say Happy New Year LOL. Thanks to circumstances with a photograph beyond my control. But they look dynamite, and off they go today. But my lists are making lists. We are done with the gifts, having had a family celebration this weekend, but we are hosting them again on Boxing Day for our traditional prime rib dinner, and all I have done so far about that is order the roast. Oh, and doing a baby shower for my youngest weekend after this. Probably should get away from the keyboard. Enjoy your day.
Math Girl said... 155
Sleepless ... 152
The club is "the ones who have been through the most." Milo kindly says that losing a child is (nearly?) as bad as what Kate's gone through. What a tool. Do you think this woman who has lost a child WANTS to be "in a club" with self-entitled, spoiled Kate?
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This is what Milo actually tweeted:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 22h
@mycharlotte5244 Sorry U lost a child..cannot imagine that pain. Don't take it personal..I'm sure U quality too! It's not an exclusive club.
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Milo's tweets, as usual, are over the top nuts. However, she didn't imply that losing a child was (nearly) as bad as what Kate has gone through, whatever Milo's warped love for Kate would posses her to think. I don't think there's any need to embellish her ridiculous tweets.
But the particular problem for the TV industry is that it's trying to profit off the same cultural tensions it's exploiting. That inevitably leads to problems such as the current one engulfing "Duck Dynasty."
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-duck-dynasty-phil-backlash-20131220,0,406654.story#ixzz2o1tQGUV5
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This is one of the best articles about reality t.v. I've ever read. The executives don't REALLY care about these issues. Meanwhile good Americans are having a sincere cultural debate about it and sincerely want to discuss this. They are USING this debate to profit. They USE families like this but only want to push it so far. The second one side or the other threatens their bottom line, they're done. It doesn't matter what side pushes back, whichever side is pushing harder that's where they draw the line. Reality T.V. is a nasty, nasty business.
I did read his comments again about working when he was younger and I still interpret it the same.
By the way, Phil listed other sinners and why aren't alcoholics protesting? Why aren't adulterer's/polyamourists protesting?
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I have to admit I had the same thought. How come people who cheat on their husbands or wives aren't upset? Or AA? Because if you think he compared homosexuality to bestiality, then he also compared cheating and drinking to bestiality. That has to be extremely hurtful for someone recovering to hear. It's hard for me to get excited about people with extremely conservative religious beliefs that are not politically correct at the moment. I don't believe what they spout, I would be shocked if on my dying day I find out any of these people actually did go to hell (if there even is such a thing), so why worry if someone wants to think such a fairy tale if I'm so confident it's nonsense? Like I said, there is a big difference between thinking and beliefs, and acting on them. If he wants to think that or think any other silly nonsense that religion preaches I can't change his thinking.
I don't think there's any need to embellish her ridiculous tweets.
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"I'm sure you qualify too" was bad enough! What an awful thing to say to a parent who lost a child. Oh yes I'm sure you're invited into the pity club! Wtf?
He was talking about the Jim Crow era. Do you think AFrican Americans were generally happier then, too? I find that a tad bit ignorant of him.
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I have no idea whether people were happy or not. I simply said that it's a fair opinion that in general people worked harder and complained less back in the day. All people, no matter your race. What he's saying is simply anecdotal. He can only speak to what he personally observed. I am not aware of any studies done that would back it up. He is allowed to talk about what he personally observed, I see nothing racist about that. If we start saying that you can't even talk about what you have personally observed firsthand, for fear you are a racist, I don't know what this country is coming to.
A+E couldn't possibly not have known about Phil's beliefs and could not possibly be blissfully ignorant of his anti-gay rants/preachings, which, by the way, are blistering, scorching, real fire and brimstone.
Look for one online and be prepared to pick your jaw up from the floor!
He was actually being a real pollyanna in the GQ interview. So, I think A+E to be duplicitous in feigning shock.
It just comes down to dollars, in the end.
I'm curious to see how this plays out with the rest of the family, and wonder if they'll film.
Unlike Jon, they've actually got the money and an entire empire with which to fight a mighty corporate giant.
I think probably Milo is referring to the seventh embryo that didn't develop. I don't want to sound harsh but...it's not the same thing as giving birth, raising the child for whatever length of time and then losing it to a terrible disease or accident.
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It wasn't even an embryo. Her over the top histrionics about this have always been too much. A blighted ovum is just a fertilized egg sac. There is sperm in it and a sac for the baby, but it never develops into an embryo. That magic moment where life starts forming and cells divide never happens. While it has never happened to me, I do know someone it happened to and there's nothing to mourn about it as there is no person or even a group of cells to mourn. They never shed a tear unless you'd like to cry over a sac. However, they did have a miscarriage before and that was devastating. It's not even remotely the same. IMO, Kate has never lost a child or even miscarried and can't begin to understand such pain.
It wasn't even an embryo. Her over the top histrionics about this have always been too much
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Worse yet, Kate has foisted this ersatz tragedy on her little children, which I find repugnant and an indecent attempt to garner sympathy and attention.
No little child need be burdened with this.
A+E couldn't possibly not have known about Phil's beliefs and could not possibly be blissfully ignorant of his anti-gay rants/preachings, which, by the way, are blistering, scorching, real fire and brimstone.
Look for one online and be prepared to pick your jaw up from the floor!
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I never watched this show more than a minute or two and barely know much about him, but if this stuff was all over the internet all along, that really is very hypocritical of A&E. If they cared so much about someone saying negative things about a group of people they would have fired him long ago. The ONLY reason they fired I'm now was because suddenly some groups lobbied for them to do it. If no one said anything, they never would I bet.
That bothers me, because there are thousands of people out there, many of them here, who really do care about these issues. For them to come out the hero of various groups by coming down so hard on him, is nuts. They don't care. Except about the money of course.
What I find equally astounding is that Kate, who abused her children and never denied it, continued to get work afterward from CWS and various coupon endeavors and interviews and so on. So someone who doesn't like gays gets the axe but someone who beats their children continues to make millions. What a world.
According to CNN the family stands by Phil and says they are talking to A&E about what this means for the future of the show.
Now what? Is the show done? Are they going to sue the entire family if they refuse to continue?
I agree, don't burden your poor kids over an egg sac. They even named it! Little children can't understand what a blighted ovum is. Kate has it in their heads that they lost a sibling, and that's nonsense. It was NOT a person or even cells of a person! Thank goodness it wasn't, because seven babies might not have survived.
Although I don't agree with what Phil Robertson said, I do agree with his right to say it. I don't have to like him for saying it, but it's his opinion, and he can say what he wants, but people also have a right to agree or disagree about it.
I've read several articles about it, and one of them had an extremely good point.
"Despite all the rhetoric you’ll hear, this is not a free speech issue. Robertson is entitled to say whatever he wants, as he did in the GQ interview, and A&E is entitled to pull him off the air if it deems the comments offensive. There is no First Amendment right to appear on a television show."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/19/dumped-from-duck-dynasty-politics-suspending-tv-star-for-anti-gay-remarks/
This article also has a quote from a gay journalist, who says:
"Robertson is a character in a reality show. He’s not a spokesman for A&E any more than some soul-sucking social x-ray from the Real Housewives series is a spokeswoman for Bravo. Is he being fired for being out of character? Nah. He’s being fired for staying in character – a character A&E have nurtured and promoted and benefited from. Turning around and demanding a Duck Dynasty star suddenly become the equivalent of a Rachel Maddow guest is preposterous and unfair.
"What Phil Robertson has given A&E is a dose of redneck reality. Why on earth would they fire him for giving some more?"
I think A&E was afraid of losing viewers and sponsors and figured this "suspension" would placate those who may have been upset with Phil's remarks. It's not like it will effect the new season, because that's already been filmed. Again, as others have said, it's all about protecting the network and their bottom line-the almighty dollar.
The dust up over Phil Robertson has put a bright spotlight on reality TV. This is a good thing.
When reality TV started out years and years ago with Survivor it was a novelty. Something the viewing public had not seen before. It was fun to watch ordinary people in extraordinary situations. Fast forward to today and every odd Tom, Dick, and Kate can get a reality show. These people have a forum to voice their opinions, show the public how they live, pretty much whatever they want. Well, guess what, their personal life is on TV for the rest of their lives. the public can see the good, the bad and everything else. And the public doesn't stop there, they want to get to know the celebrity personally (e.g. stalkers). This can become dangerous. the public will form an opinion of you, not the character an actor/actress plays, but you. And unfortunately there are people that are not always stable wanting to do harm to the reality TV person. That's scary. Also sometimes reality TV person has no home to go back to because their home is the set.
I bring all this up because I'm happy the spotlight is on realtiy TV. Maybe, oh just maybe, the public will start to really think the impact of realtiy TV on children who are forced to participate. I have thought all along that the Gosselin children story would bring about changes in child labor laws for children on reality TV.
I say keep the spotlight on reality TV. And let it shine bright. No child should ever be forced to participate knowing that their childhood would be sold to the public by their parents. Adults can make their own decisions, fight their own battles; children are not afforded that luxery. Decisions on their behalf are made by others...others who only think about their own fame and fortune.
Keep the light shining.
Count me as one of the cynical people mentioned in this article.
http://www.wbur.org/npr/255430555/duck-and-cover-what-exactly-is-the-point
I skipped most of the comments because this is starting to get back into a discussion on how offensive Phil's comments are rather than a discussion on whether or not he has a right to say them without getting fired.
I will say this, and I apologize ahead of time if you don't agree with it, but it is my opinion, I own it, and I don't care whether or not you agree with me. I do not think Phil's comments were offensive. He didn't compare being gay to anything. He paraphrased a scripture in the bible when asked what a sin was.
I don't think the words he used were offensive. I have heard worse words, language and concepts being discussed on episodes of 2 Broke Girls, Two and a Half Men, and Family Guy, all of which are primetime shows. I'm sure there are other ones on A&E but I don't have cable so I have no idea what shows are on that channel.
I think what really is at play here is that people are confusing "offensive" with "disagree with". You might disagree with what Phil believes, but that does not make it offensive. I found absolutely nothing offensive with what Phil said, whether I agree with him or not. He didn't say anything about the gay community, he didn't invoke anyone to hate them, he didn't persuade anyone to go out there and persecute them. He simply said that he believes the bible says it's a sin. If you don't agree with that, fine, don't agree with it, but it's not offensive to believe that, and it's not offensive to say it either.
And that's what's wrong with most arguments given on why he should have been suspended. He didn't say anything offensive, he said something people disagree with, and I have no doubt in my mind he has said it before in front of the camera, and that every one of the other DD family members agree with what he said as well. A&E might have chosen to edit out those statements and words, but Phil believes them, owns them, etc...
I think A&E is being disingenuous, because all they care about is money. They know who Phil is. They're not surprised by his comments, his beliefs. If they didn't like his thoughts on the matter, why did they ever choose to pick up his show? Why did they choose to have his name, personality and faith associated with their brand in the first place? Why place him on tv, make money off of him, then when he is himself in an interview, turn their back on him? Greed, pure and simple.
Now I'm going to take a break from this blog for a while until the topic gets back to TFW and her assanine behavior. Merry Christmas everyone! Have a good holiday! See you in the new year.
I think A&E was afraid of losing viewers and sponsors and figured this "suspension" would placate those who may have been upset with Phil's remarks. It's not like it will effect the new season, because that's already been filmed. Again, as others have said, it's all about protecting the network and their bottom line-the almighty dollar.
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I think A+E's reaction was knee-jerk and an over reaction. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't capitulate a bit when they realize how many pairs of eyeballs won't be tuning in due to their hypocrisy.
You can't serve up this redneck, bible thumping, God fearing, self-proclaimed white trash who are making you millions because that's exactly who they are, and expect them to be disingenuous when it comes to their beliefs.
A+E wants DD Phil to redneck it up for them, but also want Real Phil to shut his pie hole and avoid, by any means necessary, putting a fine point on his beliefs.
They want Phil to walk the Earth as seen through their Vaseline-smeared lens.
I can't ever remember wanting to skip over so many posts before.
It's Christmas, be happy.
Joy in Virginia (167),
It's almost Christmas, and I am trying desperately to get everything ready, although my fiendish cat is attempting to thwart every effort. All of the preparations, apparently, are for her and only her. The tree is her sanctuary, and she prefers to nap beneath it. Any gift that dares to invade her space will find its wrappings shredded. When she gets bored, there are brightly-colored balls that someone has thoughtfully hung in the tree just for her amusement. We frequently wake up in the middle of the night to the sounds of our Christmas decorations skittering across the floor. She is especially helpful when I wrap gifts. I get all the supplies out and set them on the kitchen table. No matter how quietly I do this, she appears within seconds. The top half of her head appears above the edge of the table, ears back, crazed-cat eyes surveying her new toys. The head disappears for a split second, then suddenly reappears, along with a stretched paw that bats the tape, bows, pen--whatever she can reach--off the table and onto the floor. She disappears as I bellow in frustration and turn to pick everything up. Once it is all back on the table, she repeats the performance, her little head slowly rising above the edge of the table like a shark's fin breaking the surface of water. Then--bam--the paw shoots out and things go flying once again. I try to place my gift-wrapping materials out of her reach, and she makes a full-body lunge to get them. After a few repeats, she gets bored with her game, and when I have picked everything up and returned to the table, she is sitting smugly on top of my unrolled wrapping paper, tail thumping, refusing to budge. I have given up trying to use ribbon. Nothing drives her into more of a frenzy than Christmas ribbon.
Yes, my days are filled with activities that are apparently designed to amuse my dear little Lucy. 5 more days to go, and by the time the big day comes I may take my DH up on his offer to take Lucy on a long drive into the country and leave her in a snowbank. Just kidding, of course.
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Great post and I agree with you 100%.
In other news, SeaWorld has placed a full page ad in several newspapers responding to the criticism it has been receiving.
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2013/12/seaworld_places_full_page_ad_t.php
Question is--why didn't they respond like this when the documentary "Blackfish" was originally aired? Seems like they waited until it appeared that the controversy may hurt them financially as well.
Insert Creative Username Here said... 191
Thank you Creative for your well thought out, insightful and objective comment. I agree with your opinion about the topic including the one about taking a break until the topic changes.
Wishing everyone a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Safe travels everyone.
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I'm so glad my dogs ignore our Xmas trees and presents. We'll see what happens next year with a one year old dog. Yikes!
And that's what's wrong with most arguments given on why he should have been suspended. He didn't say anything offensive, he said something people disagree with, and I have no doubt in my mind he has said it before in front of the camera, and that every one of the other DD family members agree with what he said as well. A&E might have chosen to edit out those statements and words, but Phil believes them, owns them, etc...
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I completely disagree. Just because you don't find something offensive doesn't mean that it isn't offensive to someone else. What qualifies as offensive is subjective. I found his remarks highly offensive and am not "wrong" for having that opinion. You don't have to share that opinion, but there is nothing "wrong" with it.
Orange Crusher, Jumping In, Merry Christmas! I am getting excited!
re DD, on TMZ yesterday Harvey Levin predicted that banning Phil would backfire on A&E
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